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Group: runacc Message: 3304 From: Sharon Sbarsky Date: 9/7/2018
Subject: previous policies on children memberships?
Group: runacc Message: 3305 From: Kaijugal . Date: 9/8/2018
Subject: Re: Migration and revision
Group: runacc Message: 3306 From: Karen Schnaubelt Date: 9/9/2018
Subject: Re: Digest Number 905
Group: runacc Message: 3307 From: Byron P Connell Date: 9/9/2018
Subject: Re: previous policies on children memberships?
Group: runacc Message: 3308 From: paradoox Date: 9/9/2018
Subject: Re: Digest Number 905
Group: runacc Message: 3309 From: Byron P Connell Date: 9/9/2018
Subject: Re: Digest Number 905
Group: runacc Message: 3310 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 9/10/2018
Subject: Re: Digest Number 905
Group: runacc Message: 3311 From: paradoox Date: 9/10/2018
Subject: Re: Digest Number 905
Group: runacc Message: 3312 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 9/10/2018
Subject: Re: Digest Number 905
Group: runacc Message: 3313 From: Vicky Young Date: 9/11/2018
Subject: Re: Digest Number 905
Group: runacc Message: 3314 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 9/30/2018
Subject: Re: Migration and revision
Group: runacc Message: 3315 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 9/30/2018
Subject: Re: Migration and revision
Group: runacc Message: 3316 From: spiritof_76 Date: 3/27/2019
Subject: Simplicity Sponsorship
Group: runacc Message: 3317 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 3/27/2019
Subject: Re: Simplicity Sponsorship
Group: runacc Message: 3318 From: Trudy Leonard Date: 3/28/2019
Subject: Re: Simplicity Sponsorship
Group: runacc Message: 3319 From: costumrs Date: 3/28/2019
Subject: Re: Simplicity Sponsorship
Group: runacc Message: 3320 From: Byron Connell Date: 3/28/2019
Subject: Re: Simplicity Sponsorship
Group: runacc Message: 3321 From: Trudy Leonard Date: 3/28/2019
Subject: Re: Simplicity Sponsorship
Group: runacc Message: 3322 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 3/28/2019
Subject: Re: Simplicity Sponsorship
Group: runacc Message: 3323 From: Trudy Leonard Date: 3/28/2019
Subject: Re: Simplicity Sponsorship
Group: runacc Message: 3324 From: Richard Kovalcik Date: 3/28/2019
Subject: CC37 hotel room pickup
Group: runacc Message: 3325 From: Trudy Leonard Date: 3/28/2019
Subject: Re: CC37 hotel room pickup
Group: runacc Message: 3326 From: Betsy R. Marks Date: 9/22/2019
Subject: Effort to move RUNACC archives off Yahoo is FINALLY underway
Group: runacc Message: 3327 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 9/23/2019
Subject: Re: Effort to move RUNACC archives off Yahoo is FINALLY underway
Group: runacc Message: 3328 From: Betsy R. Marks Date: 9/23/2019
Subject: Re: Effort to move RUNACC archives off Yahoo is FINALLY underway
Group: runacc Message: 3329 From: Betsy R. Marks Date: 10/17/2019
Subject: Archiving of this group has commenced!
Group: runacc Message: 3330 From: Byron Connell Date: 10/19/2019
Subject: Re: Effort to move RUNACC archives off Yahoo is FINALLY underway
Group: runacc Message: 3331 From: Betsy R. Marks Date: 10/19/2019
Subject: Re: Effort to move RUNACC archives off Yahoo is FINALLY underway

 


 

Group: runacc Message: 3304 From: Sharon Sbarsky Date: 9/7/2018
Subject: previous policies on children memberships?
Costume-Cons typically don’t have programming (or activities) for children, but the contests will usually have a “Young Fan” division. What has been the policy and rates for children?
Free Kid-in-Tow? Until what age? Do they really need to be attached to an adult member, or can they wander?
Student rate to break that leash? Starting what age? What cost? (CC37’s student rate is currently $60, basically a discounted adult rate.)
Contest Young Fan membership/rate? 0-12 for those children entering a contest? Those children will use more resources (rehearsal slots, green room snacks, etc.) than a KIT.
Thanks
Sharon

 

Group: runacc Message: 3305 From: Kaijugal . Date: 9/8/2018
Subject: Re: Migration and revision

 

Hi Betsy,
I work with WordPress every day at work. If you every need help I’d be happy to do what I can.
#Costumeconforever

Dawn McKechnie
–  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North

 

Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 


From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: May 21, 2018 8:06 AM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: [runacc] Migration and revision

 

Hey, all!

I did something I haven’t done in nine years: I attended a CC. I’m glad I did, and as of this writing, I have plans to do the same for CC37 next March.
While I was there, I met with Karen, Pierre, Kevin, Andy, Byron and Sharon Sbarsky (CC37), to revise the ConStitution. It’s going to be a major revision (3.0) when we’re done.
The motivation for the change comes from missing archive materials (photos, run lists, and more), and other structural organization issues with the document.
There’s an active editing process underway on Google docs. We worked our way through the entirety of Section 1. When we’ve finished reviewing Section 2 (the
Site Selection process) I’ll post a link for review and comment.

 

But there’s more.
It’s only a matter of time before FatCow, Costume-Con.org’s hosting company, breaks Gallery the same way Gallery broke on the ICG’s site. That knowledge has led to some major changes.
Last summer I moved the bulk of the site’s front end to WordPress. I’m updating the front page and news pages this week, but I wanted you to know what’s coming next before I post this info there.
1. I’m migrating all of the data relating to programs, rules, and details like locations to WordPress, and out of Gallery. When I’m done, you’ll be able to pull up all the overview details, all the rules for SF/F
masquerade competitions, and more. I’m not ready to move the photos yet. That’s coming soon.
2. I’m adding Cat Devereaux’s Fashion Folio section from Alley Cat Scratch. This represents a series of printable Fashion Folio figures and assorted other designer resources.
3. I’ve initiated contact with the ICG for attempting to locate the best system or plugin to migrate the photos in Gallery.
4. This Yahoo Group forum has become problematic. I can’t search further back than 2012, and there isn’t a good way to get at the data in the 3k+ messages stored here, which makes this a much less useful communication
archive than it was.
I created a subdomain,
runacc.costume-con.org
, and attempted a second WordPress installation for the purpose of migrating runacc to a blog, but the installation is not working properly on FatCow, and I’m not convinced that turning this resource into a blog is the best choice.
Furthermore, with 36 years’ worth of data, I don’t think I can do this work by myself.
So, I’m asking for help and input.
What I want for RunaCC is something that we can store and host in a single website, rather than continuing to depend on external sites like Yahoo.
Yahoo’s main advantage is “push technology” (sending you messages when they’re posted by others), but there are several people who have that option turned off on Yahoo, and I’m not sure how many members are still
paying attention to this list.
As much as it pained me to do it, I removed Marty’s account from the group. There are still 36 members.
It’s been a while since I asked people if they wanted to continue to subscribe here. This seems like a good time to ask again.
If you have suggestions for migrating this forum, I’m all ears. I want to see us off of Yahoo by the end of summer, if not sooner.
Please provide feedback as soon as possible.
I know some of you are tied up with Worldcon and some of you are working with Phil and Ozma on migrating Gallery on the ICG’s site.
We’re collecting the data and photos from this year’s CC to post soon.
Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.
If you’re ready to depart from this resource, thanks very much for your input and attention over the last several decades!
More soon,
Betsy

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3306 From: Karen Schnaubelt Date: 9/9/2018
Subject: Re: Digest Number 905
Would it make sense for us to move this group to Facebook Groups or some more modern interface?

My only concern is that Facebook is very difficult to search for content in earlier posts; something I have occasion to do several times a month.

–Karen

 

 

On Sat, Sep 8, 2018 at 10:11 PM <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

1
Message

Digest #905

1a

Re: Migration and revision

by
“Kaijugal .”
kaijugal

Message

Sat Sep 8, 2018 1:15 am (PDT) . Posted by:



“Kaijugal .” kaijugal

Hi Betsy,

I work with WordPress every day at work. If you every need help I’d be happy to do what I can.
#Costumeconforever

Dawn McKechnie – Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com<http://www.animenorth.com/>

________________________________
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: May 21, 2018 8:06 AM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: [runacc] Migration and revision

Hey, all!

I did something I haven’t done in nine years: I attended a CC. I’m glad I did, and as of this writing, I have plans to do the same for CC37 next March.

While I was there, I met with Karen, Pierre, Kevin, Andy, Byron and Sharon Sbarsky (CC37), to revise the ConStitution. It’s going to be a major revision (3.0) when we’re done.

The motivation for the change comes from missing archive materials (photos, run lists, and more), and other structural organization issues with the document.

There’s an active editing process underway on Google docs. We worked our way through the entirety of Section 1. When we’ve finished reviewing Section 2 (the Site Selection process) I’ll post a link for review and comment.

But there’s more.

It’s only a matter of time before FatCow, Costume-Con.org’s hosting company, breaks Gallery the same way Gallery broke on the ICG’s site. That knowledge has led to some major changes.

Last summer I moved the bulk of the site’s front end to WordPress. I’m updating the front page and news pages this week, but I wanted you to know what’s coming next before I post this info there.

1. I’m migrating all of the data relating to programs, rules, and details like locations to WordPress, and out of Gallery. When I’m done, you’ll be able to pull up all the overview details, all the rules for SF/F masquerade competitions, and more. I’m not ready to move the photos yet. That’s coming soon.

2. I’m adding Cat Devereaux’s Fashion Folio section from Alley Cat Scratch. This represents a series of printable Fashion Folio figures and assorted other designer resources.

3. I’ve initiated contact with the ICG for attempting to locate the best system or plugin to migrate the photos in Gallery.

4. This Yahoo Group forum has become problematic. I can’t search further back than 2012, and there isn’t a good way to get at the data in the 3k+ messages stored here, which makes this a much less useful communication archive than it was.

I created a subdomain, runacc.costume-con.org<http://runacc.costume-con.org>, and attempted a second WordPress installation for the purpose of migrating runacc to a blog, but the installation is not working properly on FatCow, and I’m not convinced that turning this resource into a blog is the best choice.

Furthermore, with 36 years’ worth of data, I don’t think I can do this work by myself.

So, I’m asking for help and input.

What I want for RunaCC is something that we can store and host in a single website, rather than continuing to depend on external sites like Yahoo.

Yahoo’s main advantage is “push technology” (sending you messages when they’re posted by others), but there are several people who have that option turned off on Yahoo, and I’m not sure how many members are still paying attention to this list.

As much as it pained me to do it, I removed Marty’s account from the group. There are still 36 members.

It’s been a while since I asked people if they wanted to continue to subscribe here. This seems like a good time to ask again.

If you have suggestions for migrating this forum, I’m all ears. I want to see us off of Yahoo by the end of summer, if not sooner.

Please provide feedback as soon as possible.

I know some of you are tied up with Worldcon and some of you are working with Phil and Ozma on migrating Gallery on the ICG’s site.

We’re collecting the data and photos from this year’s CC to post soon.

Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

If you’re ready to depart from this resource, thanks very much for your input and attention over the last several decades!

More soon,

Betsy

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3307 From: Byron P Connell Date: 9/9/2018
Subject: Re: previous policies on children memberships?

The Young Fan division usually has been limited to persons under the age of 13 on the date of the show they enter. This is informally related to the ICG’s Standing Rule # 1, limiting the right to vote to ICG members 13 years of age or older.

In my opinion, we want to encourage costumers who are eligible for the Young Fan division to enter; they’re our future. I’ve known young teens who can and should — and do — enter and earn awards in the journeyman division. On the other hand, a CC needs sufficient income to cover its costs. Such young members cost the con pretty much the same as a member over the age of 21. The concom should balance those interests. It may be that the concom needs to determine overall costs and adjust membership rates to cover them, providing for both adult and Young Fan memberships.

However, I believe that a concom should restrict a free “kid-in-tow” membership to a child literally under an adult’s control at all time, unless it is prepared to provide programming designed for such members.

Above all, this has to be the concom’s decision. It has to balance its budget. The most we or the ICG should do is provide advice.

Byron

On Sep 7, 2018, at 11:20 AM, Sharon Sbarsky sbarsky@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Costume-Cons typically don’t have programming (or activities) for children, but the contests will usually have a “Young Fan” division. What has been the policy and rates for children?

Free Kid-in-Tow? Until what age? Do they really need to be attached to an adult member, or can they wander?

Student rate to break that leash? Starting what age? What cost? (CC37’s student rate is currently $60, basically a discounted adult rate.)

Contest Young Fan membership/rate? 0-12 for those children entering a contest? Those children will use more resources (rehearsal slots, green room snacks, etc.) than a KIT.

Thanks

Sharon

 

Group: runacc Message: 3308 From: paradoox Date: 9/9/2018
Subject: Re: Digest Number 905
Facebook also suffers from the problem that you don’t necessarily see every post and that you have to go look for them (pull vs. push).  I would NOT be in favor of moving this to facebook.

 

Group: runacc Message: 3309 From: Byron P Connell Date: 9/9/2018
Subject: Re: Digest Number 905

If we moved to Facebook, I probably would drop out.

I have no problem with moving from Yahoo (although I have no problem with Yahoogroups); however, Facebook is not an appropriate venue for me for this kind of group.

Byron

On Sep 9, 2018, at 8:31 PM, Karen Schnaubelt janusaries55@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Would it make sense for us to move this group to Facebook Groups or some more modern interface?

My only concern is that Facebook is very difficult to search for content in earlier posts; something I have occasion to do several times a month.

–Karen

On Sat, Sep 8, 2018 at 10:11 PM <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Run A Costume-Con Group
1 Message Digest #905
1a Re: Migration and revision by “Kaijugal .” kaijugal

Message
1a Re: Migration and revision
Sat Sep 8, 2018 1:15 am (PDT) . Posted by: “Kaijugal .” kaijugal
Hi Betsy,

I work with WordPress every day at work. If you every need help I’d be happy to do what I can.
#Costumeconforever

Dawn McKechnie – Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com<http://www.animenorth.com/>

________________________________
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: May 21, 2018 8:06 AM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: [runacc] Migration and revision

Hey, all!

I did something I haven’t done in nine years: I attended a CC. I’m glad I did, and as of this writing, I have plans to do the same for CC37 next March.

While I was there, I met with Karen, Pierre, Kevin, Andy, Byron and Sharon Sbarsky (CC37), to revise the ConStitution. It’s going to be a major revision (3.0) when we’re done.

The motivation for the change comes from missing archive materials (photos, run lists, and more), and other structural organization issues with the document.

There’s an active editing process underway on Google docs. We worked our way through the entirety of Section 1. When we’ve finished reviewing Section 2 (the Site Selection process) I’ll post a link for review and comment.

But there’s more.

It’s only a matter of time before FatCow, Costume-Con.org’s hosting company, breaks Gallery the same way Gallery broke on the ICG’s site. That knowledge has led to some major changes.

Last summer I moved the bulk of the site’s front end to WordPress. I’m updating the front page and news pages this week, but I wanted you to know what’s coming next before I post this info there.

1. I’m migrating all of the data relating to programs, rules, and details like locations to WordPress, and out of Gallery. When I’m done, you’ll be able to pull up all the overview details, all the rules for SF/F masquerade competitions, and more. I’m not ready to move the photos yet.. That’s coming soon.

2. I’m adding Cat Devereaux’s Fashion Folio section from Alley Cat Scratch. This represents a series of printable Fashion Folio figures and assorted other designer resources.

3. I’ve initiated contact with the ICG for attempting to locate the best system or plugin to migrate the photos in Gallery.

4. This Yahoo Group forum has become problematic. I can’t search further back than 2012, and there isn’t a good way to get at the data in the 3k+ messages stored here, which makes this a much less useful communication archive than it was.

I created a subdomain, runacc.costume-con.org<http://runacc.costume-con.org>, and attempted a second WordPress installation for the purpose of migrating runacc to a blog, but the installation is not working properly on FatCow, and I’m not convinced that turning this resource into a blog is the best choice.

Furthermore, with 36 years’ worth of data, I don’t think I can do this work by myself.

So, I’m asking for help and input.

What I want for RunaCC is something that we can store and host in a single website, rather than continuing to depend on external sites like Yahoo.

Yahoo’s main advantage is “push technology” (sending you messages when they’re posted by others), but there are several people who have that option turned off on Yahoo, and I’m not sure how many members are still paying attention to this list.

As much as it pained me to do it, I removed Marty’s account from the group. There are still 36 members.

It’s been a while since I asked people if they wanted to continue to subscribe here. This seems like a good time to ask again.

If you have suggestions for migrating this forum, I’m all ears. I want to see us off of Yahoo by the end of summer, if not sooner.

Please provide feedback as soon as possible.

I know some of you are tied up with Worldcon and some of you are working with Phil and Ozma on migrating Gallery on the ICG’s site.

We’re collecting the data and photos from this year’s CC to post soon.

Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

If you’re ready to depart from this resource, thanks very much for your input and attention over the last several decades!

More soon,

Betsy

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Group: runacc Message: 3310 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 9/10/2018
Subject: Re: Digest Number 905

We have a number of options, as I see it:

1. Archive older messages as threaded blog posts so we can see what was discussed and what the outcome was.
2. Move to Slack or a similar service.
3. Set up our own forum on the Costume-Con.org server. (This could be push or pull service, depending on the option and individual user settings.)
I started to migrate the ancient entries to WordPress so we would have them, but the set-up failed and I got side tracked and never went back to it.
I have some thoughts on switching to Google’s “business” service, but haven’t investigated cost, structure, or anything else.
Betsy

 

 

On Sun, Sep 9, 2018, 8:31 PM Karen Schnaubelt janusaries55@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Would it make sense for us to move this group to Facebook Groups or some more modern interface?

My only concern is that Facebook is very difficult to search for content in earlier posts; something I have occasion to do several times a month.

–Karen

 

On Sat, Sep 8, 2018 at 10:11 PM <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

1
Message

Digest #905

1a

Re: Migration and revision

by
“Kaijugal .”
kaijugal

Message

Sat Sep 8, 2018 1:15 am (PDT) . Posted by:



“Kaijugal .” kaijugal

Hi Betsy,

I work with WordPress every day at work. If you every need help I’d be happy to do what I can.
#Costumeconforever

Dawn McKechnie – Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com<http://www.animenorth.com/>

________________________________
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: May 21, 2018 8:06 AM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: [runacc] Migration and revision

Hey, all!

I did something I haven’t done in nine years: I attended a CC. I’m glad I did, and as of this writing, I have plans to do the same for CC37 next March.

While I was there, I met with Karen, Pierre, Kevin, Andy, Byron and Sharon Sbarsky (CC37), to revise the ConStitution. It’s going to be a major revision (3.0) when we’re done.

The motivation for the change comes from missing archive materials (photos, run lists, and more), and other structural organization issues with the document.

There’s an active editing process underway on Google docs. We worked our way through the entirety of Section 1. When we’ve finished reviewing Section 2 (the Site Selection process) I’ll post a link for review and comment.

But there’s more.

It’s only a matter of time before FatCow, Costume-Con.org’s hosting company, breaks Gallery the same way Gallery broke on the ICG’s site. That knowledge has led to some major changes.

Last summer I moved the bulk of the site’s front end to WordPress. I’m updating the front page and news pages this week, but I wanted you to know what’s coming next before I post this info there.

1. I’m migrating all of the data relating to programs, rules, and details like locations to WordPress, and out of Gallery. When I’m done, you’ll be able to pull up all the overview details, all the rules for SF/F masquerade competitions, and more. I’m not ready to move the photos yet.. That’s coming soon.

2. I’m adding Cat Devereaux’s Fashion Folio section from Alley Cat Scratch. This represents a series of printable Fashion Folio figures and assorted other designer resources.

3. I’ve initiated contact with the ICG for attempting to locate the best system or plugin to migrate the photos in Gallery.

4. This Yahoo Group forum has become problematic. I can’t search further back than 2012, and there isn’t a good way to get at the data in the 3k+ messages stored here, which makes this a much less useful communication archive than it was.

I created a subdomain, runacc.costume-con.org<http://runacc.costume-con.org>, and attempted a second WordPress installation for the purpose of migrating runacc to a blog, but the installation is not working properly on FatCow, and I’m not convinced that turning this resource into a blog is the best choice.

Furthermore, with 36 years’ worth of data, I don’t think I can do this work by myself.

So, I’m asking for help and input.

What I want for RunaCC is something that we can store and host in a single website, rather than continuing to depend on external sites like Yahoo.

Yahoo’s main advantage is “push technology” (sending you messages when they’re posted by others), but there are several people who have that option turned off on Yahoo, and I’m not sure how many members are still paying attention to this list.

As much as it pained me to do it, I removed Marty’s account from the group. There are still 36 members.

It’s been a while since I asked people if they wanted to continue to subscribe here. This seems like a good time to ask again.

If you have suggestions for migrating this forum, I’m all ears. I want to see us off of Yahoo by the end of summer, if not sooner.

Please provide feedback as soon as possible.

I know some of you are tied up with Worldcon and some of you are working with Phil and Ozma on migrating Gallery on the ICG’s site.

We’re collecting the data and photos from this year’s CC to post soon.

Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

If you’re ready to depart from this resource, thanks very much for your input and attention over the last several decades!

More soon,

Betsy

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3311 From: paradoox Date: 9/10/2018
Subject: Re: Digest Number 905

I don’t understand what problem we are trying to solve?  Why can’t we stay on yahoogroups?

P.S. Slack is worse than Facebook, does not provide good threading, and would just be another thing to have to check.  It is even easier for important messages to be missed on Slack than on FB.

 

Group: runacc Message: 3312 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 9/10/2018
Subject: Re: Digest Number 905

1. Yahoo has been threatening to ditch groups for years. Now we could continue to use it until it suddenly evaporates without warning, but we have no backup of this forum.

None.
Karen already mentioned that searching the archives is a problem. Realize that a search will take you roughly 5 years back, and no further.
2. Yahoo has made backing up impossible. This means 20 years of institutional memory gone in an instant when Groups disappears for good.
I expect that when this happens, we will get little to no warning.
3. I have heard that Slack isn’t great. That’s why I suggested moving to something housed on our own server.
–Betsy

 

 

On Mon, Sep 10, 2018, 10:35 AM kovalcik@alum.mit.edu [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I don’t understand what problem we are trying to solve?  Why can’t we stay on yahoogroups?

P.S. Slack is worse than Facebook, does not provide good threading, and would just be another thing to have to check.  It is even easier for important messages to be missed on Slack than on FB.

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3313 From: Vicky Young Date: 9/11/2018
Subject: Re: Digest Number 905

 

To further piggy back on Betsy’s points, yahoogroups has become increasingly spotty in terms of its service. For example, I received Betsy’s reply to you an hour before I received your original message. My chapter had multiple problems with adding people to our yahoo group, then it stopped sending out automated reminders about our meetings, and then e-mails would only wind up getting sent to part of the membership.
I am personally in favor of something housed on our own server, since it would not be subject to algorithms and such.
Vicky

On Monday, September 10, 2018, 10:45:28 PM CDT, kovalcik@alum.mit.edu [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I don’t understand what problem we are trying to solve?  Why can’t we stay on yahoogroups?

P.S. Slack is worse than Facebook, does not provide good threading, and would just be another thing to have to check.  It is even easier for important messages to be missed on Slack than on FB.

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3314 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 9/30/2018
Subject: Re: Migration and revision

 

 

Cautionary alert – it’s time.
During the loading process for CC36 pictures there were a dozen or more broken links from the thumbnails to the full size images.

Easy to fix and they are all corrected but this was the first symptom with the ICGallery. We managed for several years with this issue with the number of broken links increasing slowly but when the site was migrated the ICGallery was completely inaccessible.
Just wanted to let you know.

 

Nora


From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: May 21, 2018 8:06 AM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: [runacc] Migration and revision

 

It’s only a matter of time before FatCow, Costume-Con.org’s hosting company, breaks Gallery the same way Gallery broke on the ICG’s site.

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3315 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 9/30/2018
Subject: Re: Migration and revision

Good thing we’ve got the front end mostly done!

Which reminds me: It’s the end of September. What’s happening with the ConStitution???

I’m on my LAST salaried day at my current job. I am about to start a NEW job and move to hourly with the old one, while I train my replacement. For at least the next couple of weeks, I’ll be working roughly seven days in a row (though not 8 hour days each day). Use this time to finish reviewing the data for the changes to the ConStitution, suggest any more changes that need to be made, so we can finalize the text and update the site.

More soon,
Betsy

 

 

On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 9:46 AM ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Cautionary alert – it’s time.
During the loading process for CC36 pictures there were a dozen or more broken links from the thumbnails to the full size images.

Easy to fix and they are all corrected but this was the first symptom with the ICGallery. We managed for several years with this issue with the number of broken links increasing slowly but when the site was migrated the ICGallery was completely inaccessible.
Just wanted to let you know.

 

Nora


From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: May 21, 2018 8:06 AM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: [runacc] Migration and revision

 

 

It’s only a matter of time before FatCow, Costume-Con.org’s hosting company, breaks Gallery the same way Gallery broke on the ICG’s site.

 

 

 

 

 

Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3316 From: spiritof_76 Date: 3/27/2019
Subject: Simplicity Sponsorship
I noticed recently when I saw the winner announcement at this years C2E2 Tournament of Cosplay that Simplicity was the sponsor of $8,000 in cash prizes for the winners.  They probably paid way more than that to get their name plastered all over the convention.  I’m sure they’re also a sponsor at NYCC and Emerald City Comic Con, which are all ReedPop conventions.  Simplicity has a booth every year at NYCC.
I know that Simplicity sponsored a special contest at CC29 for the use of Simplicity patterns in any competition at the convention.  However, why not approach them as an overall sponsor for the convention each year.  We at least generally require attendees to use their patterns with the Single Pattern Contest.  I doubt that’s a requirement at C2E2.  More money from sponsors means that conventions can do more for the attendees.
Michael
CC31

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3317 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 3/27/2019
Subject: Re: Simplicity Sponsorship

Interesting.

Side note, for those who’ve forgotten: Simplicity also sponsored a special award at CC3. Adrian Butterfield won for her Historical entry.
We have a history with them.

Betsy


Betsy Marks Delaney
www.hawkeswood.com

 

 

On Wed, Mar 27, 2019, 11:37 PM bruno@soulmasque.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I noticed recently when I saw the winner announcement at this years C2E2 Tournament of Cosplay that Simplicity was the sponsor of $8,000 in cash prizes for the winners.  They probably paid way more than that to get their name plastered all over the convention.  I’m sure they’re also a sponsor at NYCC and Emerald City Comic Con, which are all ReedPop conventions.  Simplicity has a booth every year at NYCC.
I know that Simplicity sponsored a special contest at CC29 for the use of Simplicity patterns in any competition at the convention.  However, why not approach them as an overall sponsor for the convention each year.  We at least generally require attendees to use their patterns with the Single Pattern Contest.  I doubt that’s a requirement at C2E2.  More money from sponsors means that conventions can do more for the attendees.
Michael
CC31

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3318 From: Trudy Leonard Date: 3/28/2019
Subject: Re: Simplicity Sponsorship

 

I contacted them for CC22. I did not request financial backing from them, but did ask if they would sponsor some of their designers coming as guests. I specifically suggested Andrea Schewe and Martha McCann. Martha was not able to come, but Andrea
did and that started her history of coming to Costume Cons. The company wanted feedback on their patterns, and whether people were interested in the more elaborate historical and fantasy/SF patterns that were starting to be more prevalent on their lists. They
got plenty of input from our attendees.

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

—- Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] wrote —-

 

Interesting.

Side note, for those who’ve forgotten: Simplicity also sponsored a special award at CC3. Adrian Butterfield won for her Historical entry..
We have a history with them.

Betsy


Betsy Marks Delaney
www.hawkeswood.com

 

On Wed, Mar 27, 2019, 11:37 PM
bruno@soulmasque.com
[runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

I noticed recently when I saw the winner announcement at this years C2E2 Tournament of Cosplay that Simplicity was the sponsor of $8,000 in cash prizes for the winners.  They probably paid way more than that to get their name plastered all over the convention.
I’m sure they’re also a sponsor at NYCC and Emerald City Comic Con, which are all ReedPop conventions.  Simplicity has a booth every year at NYCC.
I know that Simplicity sponsored a special contest at CC29 for the use of Simplicity patterns in any competition at the convention.  However, why not approach them as an overall sponsor for the convention each year.  We at least generally require attendees
to use their patterns with the Single Pattern Contest.  I doubt that’s a requirement at C2E2.  More money from sponsors means that conventions can do more for the attendees.
Michael
CC31

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3319 From: costumrs Date: 3/28/2019
Subject: Re: Simplicity Sponsorship

 

Listening to a video posted by Mike Bruno of this year’s C2E2 championship awards, the 3 top awards were sponsored by Singer, not Simplicity. That doesn’t mean Simplicity didn’t sponsor others, however.
Sandy
Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
——– Original message ——–
From: “Trudy Leonard georgialei@hotmail.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 3/28/19 1:26 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: costumecon committee <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [runacc] Simplicity Sponsorship

 

I contacted them for CC22. I did not request financial backing from them, but did ask if they would sponsor some of their designers coming as guests. I specifically suggested Andrea Schewe and Martha McCann. Martha was not able to come, but Andrea
did and that started her history of coming to Costume Cons. The company wanted feedback on their patterns, and whether people were interested in the more elaborate historical and fantasy/SF patterns that were starting to be more prevalent on their lists. They
got plenty of input from our attendees.

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

—- Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] wrote —-

 

Interesting.

Side note, for those who’ve forgotten: Simplicity also sponsored a special award at CC3. Adrian Butterfield won for her Historical entry..
We have a history with them.

Betsy


Betsy Marks Delaney
www.hawkeswood.com

 

On Wed, Mar 27, 2019, 11:37 PM
bruno@soulmasque.com
[runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

I noticed recently when I saw the winner announcement at this years C2E2 Tournament of Cosplay that Simplicity was the sponsor of $8,000 in cash prizes for the winners.  They probably paid way more than that to get their name plastered all over the convention.
I’m sure they’re also a sponsor at NYCC and Emerald City Comic Con, which are all ReedPop conventions.  Simplicity has a booth every year at NYCC.
I know that Simplicity sponsored a special contest at CC29 for the use of Simplicity patterns in any competition at the convention.  However, why not approach them as an overall sponsor for the convention each year.  We at least generally require attendees
to use their patterns with the Single Pattern Contest.  I doubt that’s a requirement at C2E2.  More money from sponsors means that conventions can do more for the attendees.
Michael
CC31

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3320 From: Byron Connell Date: 3/28/2019
Subject: Re: Simplicity Sponsorship

 

It can’t hurt to try.

 

Andrea Schewe has come to a number of CCs.

Byron

 

 

On Mar 28, 2019, at 8:10 AM, costumrs costumrs@radiks.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Listening to a video posted by Mike Bruno of this year’s C2E2 championship awards, the 3 top awards were sponsored by Singer, not Simplicity. That doesn’t mean Simplicity didn’t sponsor others, however.
Sandy
Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
——– Original message ——–
From: “Trudy Leonard georgialei@hotmail.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> 
Date: 3/28/19 1:26 AM (GMT-05:00) 
To: costumecon committee <runacc@yahoogroups.com> 
Subject: Re: [runacc] Simplicity Sponsorship 

 

I contacted them for CC22. I did not request financial backing from them, but did ask if they would sponsor some of their designers coming as guests. I specifically suggested Andrea Schewe and Martha McCann. Martha was not able to come, but Andrea did and that started her history of coming to Costume Cons. The company wanted feedback on their patterns, and whether people were interested in the more elaborate historical and fantasy/SF patterns that were starting to be more prevalent on their lists. They got plenty of input from our attendees.

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone



—- Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] wrote —-

 

Interesting.

Side note, for those who’ve forgotten: Simplicity also sponsored a special award at CC3. Adrian Butterfield won for her Historical entry..
We have a history with them.

Betsy


Betsy Marks Delaney
www.hawkeswood.com

 

On Wed, Mar 27, 2019, 11:37 PM bruno@soulmasque.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



I noticed recently when I saw the winner announcement at this years C2E2 Tournament of Cosplay that Simplicity was the sponsor of $8,000 in cash prizes for the winners.  They probably paid way more than that to get their name plastered all over the convention.  I’m sure they’re also a sponsor at NYCC and Emerald City Comic Con, which are all ReedPop conventions.  Simplicity has a booth every year at NYCC.
I know that Simplicity sponsored a special contest at CC29 for the use of Simplicity patterns in any competition at the convention.  However, why not approach them as an overall sponsor for the convention each year.  We at least generally require attendees to use their patterns with the Single Pattern Contest.  I doubt that’s a requirement at C2E2.  More money from sponsors means that conventions can do more for the attendees.
Michael
CC31

 



 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3321 From: Trudy Leonard Date: 3/28/2019
Subject: Re: Simplicity Sponsorship

 

Sadly, Andrea is no longer with Simplicity, but there are other designers that folks might be interested in hearing from. It certainly couldn’t hurt to suggest to them that they sponsor a prize for the Masquerades. Since all the big pattern companies seem to
be under one umbrella now, just going straight to the corporate headquarters and making a pitch for involvement by any of the companies might be good. Certainly describing the Single Pattern Contest, which encourages sales of their products, would be a good
tactic. At worst, they turn you down, but it’s worth a try.
Trudy

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Byron Connell byronpconnell@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 7:16 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Simplicity Sponsorship

 

It can’t hurt to try.

Andrea Schewe has come to a number of CCs.

Byron

 

 

On Mar 28, 2019, at 8:10 AM, costumrs
costumrs@radiks.net
[runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Listening to a video posted by Mike Bruno of this year’s C2E2 championship awards, the 3 top awards were sponsored by Singer, not Simplicity. That doesn’t mean Simplicity didn’t sponsor others, however.
Sandy
Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
——– Original message ——–
From: “Trudy Leonard georgialei@hotmail.com [runacc]”
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> 
Date: 3/28/19 1:26 AM (GMT-05:00) 
To: costumecon committee <runacc@yahoogroups.com> 
Subject: Re: [runacc] Simplicity Sponsorship 

 

I contacted them for CC22. I did not request financial backing from them, but did ask if they would sponsor some of their designers coming as guests. I specifically suggested Andrea Schewe and Martha McCann. Martha was not able to come, but Andrea did and that
started her history of coming to Costume Cons. The company wanted feedback on their patterns, and whether people were interested in the more elaborate historical and fantasy/SF patterns that were starting to be more prevalent on their lists. They got plenty
of input from our attendees.

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone



—- Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc]
wrote —-

 

Interesting.

Side note, for those who’ve forgotten: Simplicity also sponsored a special award at CC3. Adrian Butterfield won for her Historical entry..
We have a history with them.

Betsy


Betsy Marks Delaney
www.hawkeswood.com

 

On Wed, Mar 27, 2019, 11:37 PM bruno@soulmasque.com [runacc]
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



I noticed recently when I saw the winner announcement at this years C2E2 Tournament of Cosplay that Simplicity was the sponsor of $8,000 in cash prizes for the winners.  They probably paid way more than that to get
their name plastered all over the convention.  I’m sure they’re also a sponsor at NYCC and Emerald City Comic Con, which are all ReedPop conventions.  Simplicity has a booth every year at NYCC.
I know that Simplicity sponsored a special contest at CC29 for the use of Simplicity patterns in any competition at the convention.  However, why not approach them as an overall sponsor for the convention each year.
We at least generally require attendees to use their patterns with the Single Pattern Contest.  I doubt that’s a requirement at C2E2.  More money from sponsors means that conventions can do more for the attendees.
Michael
CC31

 



 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3322 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 3/28/2019
Subject: Re: Simplicity Sponsorship

We tried asking for a designer guest from McCalls and Simplicity and described the SP with offer to exclusively feature their patterns for it and got no response.

~Aurora

 

 

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 7:30 PM Trudy Leonard georgialei@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Sadly, Andrea is no longer with Simplicity, but there are other designers that folks might be interested in hearing from. It certainly couldn’t hurt to suggest to them that they sponsor a prize for the Masquerades. Since all the big pattern companies seem to
be under one umbrella now, just going straight to the corporate headquarters and making a pitch for involvement by any of the companies might be good.. Certainly describing the Single Pattern Contest, which encourages sales of their products, would be a good
tactic. At worst, they turn you down, but it’s worth a try.
Trudy

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Byron Connell byronpconnell@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 7:16 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Simplicity Sponsorship

 

It can’t hurt to try.

Andrea Schewe has come to a number of CCs.

Byron

 

On Mar 28, 2019, at 8:10 AM, costumrs
costumrs@radiks.net
[runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Listening to a video posted by Mike Bruno of this year’s C2E2 championship awards, the 3 top awards were sponsored by Singer, not Simplicity. That doesn’t mean Simplicity didn’t sponsor others, however.
Sandy
Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
——– Original message ——–
From: “Trudy Leonard georgialei@hotmail.com [runacc]”
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> 
Date: 3/28/19 1:26 AM (GMT-05:00) 
To: costumecon committee <runacc@yahoogroups.com> 
Subject: Re: [runacc] Simplicity Sponsorship 

 

I contacted them for CC22. I did not request financial backing from them, but did ask if they would sponsor some of their designers coming as guests. I specifically suggested Andrea Schewe and Martha McCann. Martha was not able to come, but Andrea did and that
started her history of coming to Costume Cons. The company wanted feedback on their patterns, and whether people were interested in the more elaborate historical and fantasy/SF patterns that were starting to be more prevalent on their lists. They got plenty
of input from our attendees.

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone



—- Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc]
wrote —-

 

Interesting.

Side note, for those who’ve forgotten: Simplicity also sponsored a special award at CC3. Adrian Butterfield won for her Historical entry..
We have a history with them.

Betsy


Betsy Marks Delaney
www.hawkeswood.com

 

On Wed, Mar 27, 2019, 11:37 PM bruno@soulmasque.com [runacc]
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



I noticed recently when I saw the winner announcement at this years C2E2 Tournament of Cosplay that Simplicity was the sponsor of $8,000 in cash prizes for the winners.  They probably paid way more than that to get
their name plastered all over the convention.  I’m sure they’re also a sponsor at NYCC and Emerald City Comic Con, which are all ReedPop conventions.  Simplicity has a booth every year at NYCC.
I know that Simplicity sponsored a special contest at CC29 for the use of Simplicity patterns in any competition at the convention.  However, why not approach them as an overall sponsor for the convention each year.
We at least generally require attendees to use their patterns with the Single Pattern Contest.  I doubt that’s a requirement at C2E2.  More money from sponsors means that conventions can do more for the attendees.
Michael
CC31

 



 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3323 From: Trudy Leonard Date: 3/28/2019
Subject: Re: Simplicity Sponsorship

 

Well, that sucks. I’m sorry.

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

—- Aurora Celeste auroraceleste@gmail.com [runacc] wrote —-

 

We tried asking for a designer guest from McCalls and Simplicity and described the SP with offer to exclusively feature their patterns for it and got no response.

~Aurora

 

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 7:30 PM Trudy Leonard
georgialei@hotmail.com
[runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

Sadly, Andrea is no longer with Simplicity, but there are other designers that folks might be interested in hearing from. It certainly couldn’t hurt to suggest to them that they sponsor a prize for the Masquerades. Since all the big pattern companies seem to
be under one umbrella now, just going straight to the corporate headquarters and making a pitch for involvement by any of the companies might be good… Certainly describing the Single Pattern Contest, which encourages sales of their products, would be a good
tactic. At worst, they turn you down, but it’s worth a try.
Trudy

From:
runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Byron Connell
byronpconnell@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 7:16 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Simplicity Sponsorship

 

It can’t hurt to try.

Andrea Schewe has come to a number of CCs.

Byron

 

On Mar 28, 2019, at 8:10 AM, costumrs
costumrs@radiks.net
[runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Listening to a video posted by Mike Bruno of this year’s C2E2 championship awards, the 3 top awards were sponsored by Singer, not Simplicity. That doesn’t mean Simplicity didn’t sponsor others, however.
Sandy
Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
——– Original message ——–
From: “Trudy Leonard georgialei@hotmail.com [runacc]”
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> 
Date: 3/28/19 1:26 AM (GMT-05:00) 
To: costumecon committee <runacc@yahoogroups.com> 
Subject: Re: [runacc] Simplicity Sponsorship 

 

I contacted them for CC22. I did not request financial backing from them, but did ask if they would sponsor some of their designers coming as guests. I specifically suggested Andrea Schewe and Martha McCann. Martha was
not able to come, but Andrea did and that started her history of coming to Costume Cons. The company wanted feedback on their patterns, and whether people were interested in the more elaborate historical and fantasy/SF patterns that were starting to be more
prevalent on their lists. They got plenty of input from our attendees.

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

—- Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc]
wrote —-

 

Interesting.

Side note, for those who’ve forgotten: Simplicity also sponsored a special award at CC3. Adrian Butterfield won for her Historical entry..
We have a history with them.

Betsy


Betsy Marks Delaney
www.hawkeswood.com

 

On Wed, Mar 27, 2019, 11:37 PM bruno@soulmasque.com [runacc]
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I noticed recently when I saw the winner announcement at this years C2E2 Tournament of Cosplay that Simplicity was the sponsor of $8,000 in cash prizes for the winners.  They probably paid way more than that to get their name plastered all over the convention.
I’m sure they’re also a sponsor at NYCC and Emerald City Comic Con, which are all ReedPop conventions.  Simplicity has a booth every year at NYCC.
I know that Simplicity sponsored a special contest at CC29 for the use of Simplicity patterns in any competition at the convention.  However, why not approach them as an overall sponsor for the convention each year.  We at least generally require attendees
to use their patterns with the Single Pattern Contest.  I doubt that’s a requirement at C2E2.  More money from sponsors means that conventions can do more for the attendees.
Michael
CC31

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3324 From: Richard Kovalcik Date: 3/28/2019
Subject: CC37 hotel room pickup
While it is fresh in my mind, CC37 in Boston this past weekend had the following official room night pickup:

Thursday 69
Friday 104
Saturday 104
Sunday 84
Monday 36

In addition we had another 80+ rooms nights booked outside the block or outside the main days. We did get credit for those room nights toward our comps. I would estimate that we only had about a handful of room nights booked on the shoulder nights, so I would estimate our Thursday / Friday / Saturday / Sunday / Monday real pickup was more like 79, 124, 124, 104, 46.

The bottom line is that we needed more hotel rooms than we thought we would and had a higher ratio of hotel rooms to attendees than San Diego, probably because our hotel was further out of the city and more people decided to stay there.

I’ll leave reporting our total membership to later for someone else after we grovel over those numbers, but I will say I think it was a little over 500.

 

Group: runacc Message: 3325 From: Trudy Leonard Date: 3/28/2019
Subject: Re: CC37 hotel room pickup

 

Richard, I have not received a survey from the hotel, but would be interested in providing some feedback. Are you all collecting any attendee reactions?

Trudy M Leonard

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

—- Richard Kovalcik kovalcik@alum.mit.edu [runacc] wrote —-

 

While it is fresh in my mind, CC37 in Boston this past weekend had the following official room night pickup:

Thursday 69
Friday 104
Saturday 104
Sunday 84
Monday 36

In addition we had another 80+ rooms nights booked outside the block or outside the main days. We did get credit for those room nights toward our comps. I would estimate that we only had about a handful of room nights booked on the shoulder nights, so I would
estimate our Thursday / Friday / Saturday / Sunday / Monday real pickup was more like 79, 124, 124, 104, 46.

The bottom line is that we needed more hotel rooms than we thought we would and had a higher ratio of hotel rooms to attendees than San Diego, probably because our hotel was further out of the city and more people decided to stay there.

I’ll leave reporting our total membership to later for someone else after we grovel over those numbers, but I will say I think it was a little over 500.

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3326 From: Betsy R. Marks Date: 9/22/2019
Subject: Effort to move RUNACC archives off Yahoo is FINALLY underway
Hi, all:

Yahoo isn’t making this remotely easy, but it’s happening. And I’m
erring on the side of caution and grabbing everything, regardless of
how trivial it might be, because I really don’t want to take the time
to judge a message’s usefulness. I just want to be able to search for
stuff I know is there (or should be).

At the moment, it’s a really bare bones site, and there are only
messages from March and April, 2003, but you can see where this is
heading and what will be available. Right now I’m more interested in
migrating the data into the database than I am in how it looks.

The new archive is located here: http://runacc.costume-con.org/

It’s a WordPress installation, but there’s a way to post to it via
email, once I’ve moved the content. Please continue to use this list
(such as it is) until everything has been migrated over. I’ll let you
know when to stop posting to it.

I’ve fixed the redirect outage for the Costume-Con.org site, and I’ve
also updated the main page to reflect a change in the deadline for
receiving bids for CC41. Karen has extended the deadline to October
31st, so if you were sitting on the fence about bidding for the con,
now’s the time to let Karen know!

In the meantime, Karen and I have set a date in mid October to
finalize the content in the ConStitution. If you still have strong
opinions regarding its content, please go back and review the Google
Doc version (it’s still there) and make whatever additional comments,
suggestions, and edits you want to see included. The link to that
document is here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/17htn1Js5TodV-pnJnVs8lCOHSXz2hL5tdIjHurWIdKY/edit

It’s my hope we’ll also have the Visual Gallery back up and running
before the end of the fall, and that we’ll have the CC37 photos
available as well, with luck.

We’re trying to track down the status of the CC37 photos, so if you
can let us know where these things stand, we’d appreciate that, too.

If you’re willing to help with the archive migration, I’d really
appreciate it. I’m in the middle of a massive job hunt, and I’m trying
to devote a chunk of my day to processing job applications and
figuring out what to do about my house. This may well preclude my
ability to attend CC38 altogether. I haven’t bought a membership yet,
so if I do attend, it will likely be a last minute decision.

Thanks for continuing to participate in this forum.

Betsy


Betsy R. Marks

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

Group: runacc Message: 3327 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 9/23/2019
Subject: Re: Effort to move RUNACC archives off Yahoo is FINALLY underway
I’d be happy to help as always but know nothing about Word Press.

Nora

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 8:49 AM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: [runacc] Effort to move RUNACC archives off Yahoo is FINALLY underway

Hi, all:

Yahoo isn’t making this remotely easy, but it’s happening. And I’m
erring on the side of caution and grabbing everything, regardless of
how trivial it might be, because I really don’t want to take the time
to judge a message’s usefulness. I just want to be able to search for
stuff I know is there (or should be).

At the moment, it’s a really bare bones site, and there are only
messages from March and April, 2003, but you can see where this is
heading and what will be available. Right now I’m more interested in
migrating the data into the database than I am in how it looks.

The new archive is located here: http://runacc.costume-con.org/

It’s a WordPress installation, but there’s a way to post to it via
email, once I’ve moved the content. Please continue to use this list
(such as it is) until everything has been migrated over. I’ll let you
know when to stop posting to it.

I’ve fixed the redirect outage for the Costume-Con.org site, and I’ve
also updated the main page to reflect a change in the deadline for
receiving bids for CC41. Karen has extended the deadline to October
31st, so if you were sitting on the fence about bidding for the con,
now’s the time to let Karen know!

In the meantime, Karen and I have set a date in mid October to
finalize the content in the ConStitution. If you still have strong
opinions regarding its content, please go back and review the Google
Doc version (it’s still there) and make whatever additional comments,
suggestions, and edits you want to see included. The link to that
document is here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/17htn1Js5TodV-pnJnVs8lCOHSXz2hL5tdIjHurWIdKY/edit

It’s my hope we’ll also have the Visual Gallery back up and running
before the end of the fall, and that we’ll have the CC37 photos
available as well, with luck.

We’re trying to track down the status of the CC37 photos, so if you
can let us know where these things stand, we’d appreciate that, too.

If you’re willing to help with the archive migration, I’d really
appreciate it. I’m in the middle of a massive job hunt, and I’m trying
to devote a chunk of my day to processing job applications and
figuring out what to do about my house. This may well preclude my
ability to attend CC38 altogether. I haven’t bought a membership yet,
so if I do attend, it will likely be a last minute decision.

Thanks for continuing to participate in this forum.

Betsy


Betsy R. Marks

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

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Group: runacc Message: 3328 From: Betsy R. Marks Date: 9/23/2019
Subject: Re: Effort to move RUNACC archives off Yahoo is FINALLY underway

It’s really not hard to use. Grabbing the data off the Yahoo group is a tedious pain, but this way we’ll have searchable archives.

After I finish work and getting unemployment set up this week, I’d be happy to give you a tutorial. Classic editor is easier to use and we can postdate entries, to make the archives sort better.
I’m out of town and away from electronics this weekend from Friday evening to Sunday afternoon. Last day is presently Thursday. I think.
Thanks!!!

Betsy


Betsy R. Marks
www.hawkeswood.com

 

 

On Mon, Sep 23, 2019, 10:22 PM ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I’d be happy to help as always but know nothing about Word Press.

Nora

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 8:49 AM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: [runacc] Effort to move RUNACC archives off Yahoo is FINALLY underway

Hi, all:

Yahoo isn’t making this remotely easy, but it’s happening. And I’m
erring on the side of caution and grabbing everything, regardless of
how trivial it might be, because I really don’t want to take the time
to judge a message’s usefulness. I just want to be able to search for
stuff I know is there (or should be).

At the moment, it’s a really bare bones site, and there are only
messages from March and April, 2003, but you can see where this is
heading and what will be available. Right now I’m more interested in
migrating the data into the database than I am in how it looks.

The new archive is located here: http://runacc.costume-con.org/

It’s a WordPress installation, but there’s a way to post to it via
email, once I’ve moved the content. Please continue to use this list
(such as it is) until everything has been migrated over. I’ll let you
know when to stop posting to it.

I’ve fixed the redirect outage for the Costume-Con.org site, and I’ve
also updated the main page to reflect a change in the deadline for
receiving bids for CC41. Karen has extended the deadline to October
31st, so if you were sitting on the fence about bidding for the con,
now’s the time to let Karen know!

In the meantime, Karen and I have set a date in mid October to
finalize the content in the ConStitution. If you still have strong
opinions regarding its content, please go back and review the Google
Doc version (it’s still there) and make whatever additional comments,
suggestions, and edits you want to see included. The link to that
document is here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/17htn1Js5TodV-pnJnVs8lCOHSXz2hL5tdIjHurWIdKY/edit

It’s my hope we’ll also have the Visual Gallery back up and running
before the end of the fall, and that we’ll have the CC37 photos
available as well, with luck.

We’re trying to track down the status of the CC37 photos, so if you
can let us know where these things stand, we’d appreciate that, too.

If you’re willing to help with the archive migration, I’d really
appreciate it. I’m in the middle of a massive job hunt, and I’m trying
to devote a chunk of my day to processing job applications and
figuring out what to do about my house. This may well preclude my
ability to attend CC38 altogether. I haven’t bought a membership yet,
so if I do attend, it will likely be a last minute decision.

Thanks for continuing to participate in this forum.

Betsy


Betsy R. Marks

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

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————————————

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————————————

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Group: runacc Message: 3329 From: Betsy R. Marks Date: 10/17/2019
Subject: Archiving of this group has commenced!
Hello, all!

By now you’ve probably heard that Yahoo intends to shut down all
groups this year, starting with disabling and privatizing all groups,
whether public or not.

I found a tool which may prove useful if you’re a list manager like I am:

http://www.personalgroupware.com/downloads.htm

A video overview/tutorial is here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4PIumS33e0

Once the software finishes sucking the content down, I’ll be migrating
it to the new WordPress space. I can set up access to that space for
anyone who wants it, but you’ll need to let me know to add you as an
author, not just a subscriber, or you’ll only ever be able to comment
on posts, not make them yourself.

Watch your email for this information, coming soon. And don’t forget
to check your spam folders early and often.

To be added to the new space, email me at info@costume-con.org, and let me know.

Thanks!

Betsy

Betsy R. Marks

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

Group: runacc Message: 3330 From: Byron Connell Date: 10/19/2019
Subject: Re: Effort to move RUNACC archives off Yahoo is FINALLY underway

 

Betsy —

 

As someone else who knows nothing about WordPress, I would very much like to be included in any tutorial.
Byron

 

 

On Sep 23, 2019, at 10:47 PM, ‘Betsy R. Marks’ aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

It’s really not hard to use. Grabbing the data off the Yahoo group is a tedious pain, but this way we’ll have searchable archives.

After I finish work and getting unemployment set up this week, I’d be happy to give you a tutorial. Classic editor is easier to use and we can postdate entries, to make the archives sort better.
I’m out of town and away from electronics this weekend from Friday evening to Sunday afternoon. Last day is presently Thursday. I think..
Thanks!!!

Betsy


Betsy R. Marks
www.hawkeswood.com

 

On Mon, Sep 23, 2019, 10:22 PM ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I’d be happy to help as always but know nothing about Word Press.

Nora

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 8:49 AM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: [runacc] Effort to move RUNACC archives off Yahoo is FINALLY underway

Hi, all:

Yahoo isn’t making this remotely easy, but it’s happening. And I’m
erring on the side of caution and grabbing everything, regardless of
how trivial it might be, because I really don’t want to take the time
to judge a message’s usefulness. I just want to be able to search for
stuff I know is there (or should be).

At the moment, it’s a really bare bones site, and there are only
messages from March and April, 2003, but you can see where this is
heading and what will be available. Right now I’m more interested in
migrating the data into the database than I am in how it looks.

The new archive is located here: http://runacc.costume-con.org/

It’s a WordPress installation, but there’s a way to post to it via
email, once I’ve moved the content. Please continue to use this list
(such as it is) until everything has been migrated over. I’ll let you
know when to stop posting to it.

I’ve fixed the redirect outage for the Costume-Con.org site, and I’ve
also updated the main page to reflect a change in the deadline for
receiving bids for CC41. Karen has extended the deadline to October
31st, so if you were sitting on the fence about bidding for the con,
now’s the time to let Karen know!

In the meantime, Karen and I have set a date in mid October to
finalize the content in the ConStitution. If you still have strong
opinions regarding its content, please go back and review the Google
Doc version (it’s still there) and make whatever additional comments,
suggestions, and edits you want to see included. The link to that
document is here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/17htn1Js5TodV-pnJnVs8lCOHSXz2hL5tdIjHurWIdKY/edit

It’s my hope we’ll also have the Visual Gallery back up and running
before the end of the fall, and that we’ll have the CC37 photos
available as well, with luck.

We’re trying to track down the status of the CC37 photos, so if you
can let us know where these things stand, we’d appreciate that, too.

If you’re willing to help with the archive migration, I’d really
appreciate it. I’m in the middle of a massive job hunt, and I’m trying
to devote a chunk of my day to processing job applications and
figuring out what to do about my house. This may well preclude my
ability to attend CC38 altogether. I haven’t bought a membership yet,
so if I do attend, it will likely be a last minute decision.

Thanks for continuing to participate in this forum.

Betsy

 
Betsy R. Marks

http://www.hawkeswood.com/


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————————————

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————————————

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Group: runacc Message: 3331 From: Betsy R. Marks Date: 10/19/2019
Subject: Re: Effort to move RUNACC archives off Yahoo is FINALLY underway

Excellent!

I’ll try to set aside some time to do some sessions with folks who want to know more. I have several screen sharing tools I can use and I’ll see if I can find some useful overview of how WordPress works.
Thanks!

Betsy


Betsy R. Marks
www.hawkeswood.com

 

 

On Sat, Oct 19, 2019, 9:10 PM Byron Connell byronpconnell@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Betsy —

As someone else who knows nothing about WordPress, I would very much like to be included in any tutorial.
Byron

 

On Sep 23, 2019, at 10:47 PM, ‘Betsy R. Marks’ aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

It’s really not hard to use. Grabbing the data off the Yahoo group is a tedious pain, but this way we’ll have searchable archives.

After I finish work and getting unemployment set up this week, I’d be happy to give you a tutorial. Classic editor is easier to use and we can postdate entries, to make the archives sort better.
I’m out of town and away from electronics this weekend from Friday evening to Sunday afternoon. Last day is presently Thursday. I think..
Thanks!!!

Betsy


Betsy R. Marks
www.hawkeswood.com

 

On Mon, Sep 23, 2019, 10:22 PM ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I’d be happy to help as always but know nothing about Word Press.

Nora

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 8:49 AM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: [runacc] Effort to move RUNACC archives off Yahoo is FINALLY underway

Hi, all:

Yahoo isn’t making this remotely easy, but it’s happening. And I’m
erring on the side of caution and grabbing everything, regardless of
how trivial it might be, because I really don’t want to take the time
to judge a message’s usefulness. I just want to be able to search for
stuff I know is there (or should be).

At the moment, it’s a really bare bones site, and there are only
messages from March and April, 2003, but you can see where this is
heading and what will be available. Right now I’m more interested in
migrating the data into the database than I am in how it looks.

The new archive is located here: http://runacc.costume-con.org/

It’s a WordPress installation, but there’s a way to post to it via
email, once I’ve moved the content. Please continue to use this list
(such as it is) until everything has been migrated over. I’ll let you
know when to stop posting to it.

I’ve fixed the redirect outage for the Costume-Con.org site, and I’ve
also updated the main page to reflect a change in the deadline for
receiving bids for CC41. Karen has extended the deadline to October
31st, so if you were sitting on the fence about bidding for the con,
now’s the time to let Karen know!

In the meantime, Karen and I have set a date in mid October to
finalize the content in the ConStitution. If you still have strong
opinions regarding its content, please go back and review the Google
Doc version (it’s still there) and make whatever additional comments,
suggestions, and edits you want to see included. The link to that
document is here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/17htn1Js5TodV-pnJnVs8lCOHSXz2hL5tdIjHurWIdKY/edit

It’s my hope we’ll also have the Visual Gallery back up and running
before the end of the fall, and that we’ll have the CC37 photos
available as well, with luck.

We’re trying to track down the status of the CC37 photos, so if you
can let us know where these things stand, we’d appreciate that, too.

If you’re willing to help with the archive migration, I’d really
appreciate it. I’m in the middle of a massive job hunt, and I’m trying
to devote a chunk of my day to processing job applications and
figuring out what to do about my house. This may well preclude my
ability to attend CC38 altogether. I haven’t bought a membership yet,
so if I do attend, it will likely be a last minute decision.

Thanks for continuing to participate in this forum.

Betsy

— 
Betsy R. Marks

http://www.hawkeswood.com/


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————————————

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Messages in runacc group. Page 66 of 67.

Group: runacc Message: 3254 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/8/2017
Subject: Re: SLCG CC35 Report – Dealers Room
Group: runacc Message: 3255 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 1/6/2018
Subject: Masquerade Entry
Group: runacc Message: 3256 From: costumrs Date: 1/6/2018
Subject: Re: Masquerade Entry
Group: runacc Message: 3257 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 1/6/2018
Subject: Re: Masquerade Entry
Group: runacc Message: 3258 From: costumrs Date: 1/6/2018
Subject: Re: Masquerade Entry
Group: runacc Message: 3259 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 1/6/2018
Subject: Re: Masquerade Entry
Group: runacc Message: 3260 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 1/6/2018
Subject: Re: Masquerade Entry
Group: runacc Message: 3261 From: Byron Connell Date: 1/6/2018
Subject: Re: Masquerade Entry
Group: runacc Message: 3262 From: costumrs Date: 1/6/2018
Subject: Re: Masquerade Entry
Group: runacc Message: 3263 From: ECM Date: 1/6/2018
Subject: Re: Masquerade Entry
Group: runacc Message: 3264 From: Kevin Roche Date: 1/7/2018
Subject: Re: Masquerade Entry
Group: runacc Message: 3265 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 1/7/2018
Subject: Re: Masquerade Entry
Group: runacc Message: 3266 From: Byron Connell Date: 1/8/2018
Subject: Re: Masquerade Entry
Group: runacc Message: 3267 From: Sharon Sbarsky Date: 1/8/2018
Subject: Re: Masquerade Entry
Group: runacc Message: 3268 From: Kevin Roche Date: 1/8/2018
Subject: Re: Masquerade Entry
Group: runacc Message: 3269 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 1/8/2018
Subject: Re: Masquerade Entry
Group: runacc Message: 3270 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 1/8/2018
Subject: Re: Masquerade Entry
Group: runacc Message: 3271 From: ECM Date: 1/8/2018
Subject: Re: Masquerade Entry
Group: runacc Message: 3272 From: lichaiya Date: 1/8/2018
Subject: Re: Masquerade Entry
Group: runacc Message: 3273 From: Kaijugal . Date: 1/9/2018
Subject: Re: Masquerade Entry
Group: runacc Message: 3274 From: Kaijugal . Date: 1/9/2018
Subject: Re: Masquerade Entry
Group: runacc Message: 3275 From: Sharon Sbarsky Date: 1/9/2018
Subject: Re: Masquerade Entry
Group: runacc Message: 3276 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 1/9/2018
Subject: Re: Masquerade Entry
Group: runacc Message: 3277 From: Byron Connell Date: 1/9/2018
Subject: Re: Masquerade Entry
Group: runacc Message: 3278 From: lichaiya Date: 1/9/2018
Subject: Re: Masquerade Entry
Group: runacc Message: 3279 From: beckieboo817 Date: 1/9/2018
Subject: Room nights for CC36
Group: runacc Message: 3280 From: Trudy Leonard Date: 1/9/2018
Subject: Re: Room nights for CC36
Group: runacc Message: 3281 From: M.Bruno Date: 1/9/2018
Subject: Re: Room nights for CC36
Group: runacc Message: 3282 From: Byron Connell Date: 2/24/2018
Subject: Adding the New Officers to the Pups’ Web Site
Group: runacc Message: 3283 From: von_drago Date: 2/24/2018
Subject: Vital information needed by Archives
Group: runacc Message: 3284 From: Byron Connell Date: 2/24/2018
Subject: Re: Vital information needed by Archives
Group: runacc Message: 3285 From: von_drago Date: 2/25/2018
Subject: Re: Vital information needed by Archives
Group: runacc Message: 3286 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 5/21/2018
Subject: Migration and revision
Group: runacc Message: 3287 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/21/2018
Subject: Re: Migration and revision
Group: runacc Message: 3288 From: costumrs Date: 5/21/2018
Subject: Re: Migration and revision
Group: runacc Message: 3289 From: Vicky Young Date: 5/21/2018
Subject: Re: Migration and revision
Group: runacc Message: 3290 From: Marg Grady Date: 5/21/2018
Subject: Re: Migration and revision
Group: runacc Message: 3291 From: Byron P Connell Date: 5/21/2018
Subject: Re: Migration and revision
Group: runacc Message: 3292 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 5/22/2018
Subject: Re: Migration and revision
Group: runacc Message: 3293 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 5/22/2018
Subject: Here’s where we are so far WRT the ConStitution:
Group: runacc Message: 3294 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/22/2018
Subject: Re: Migration and revision
Group: runacc Message: 3295 From: Kevin Roche Date: 5/22/2018
Subject: Re: Migration and revision
Group: runacc Message: 3296 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 5/22/2018
Subject: Re: Migration and revision
Group: runacc Message: 3297 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 5/24/2018
Subject: If you want to get a taste for where I’m heading with the Archives..
Group: runacc Message: 3298 From: Byron P Connell Date: 5/24/2018
Subject: Re: Migration and revision
Group: runacc Message: 3299 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 5/24/2018
Subject: Re: Migration and revision
Group: runacc Message: 3300 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/24/2018
Subject: Fan Photos (RE: [runacc] Migration and revision)
Group: runacc Message: 3301 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 5/25/2018
Subject: Re: Fan Photos (RE: [runacc] Migration and revision)
Group: runacc Message: 3302 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/25/2018
Subject: Re: Fan Photos (RE: [runacc] Migration and revision)
Group: runacc Message: 3303 From: Byron Connell Date: 5/25/2018
Subject: Re: Fan Photos (RE: [runacc] Migration and revision)

 


 

Group: runacc Message: 3254 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/8/2017
Subject: Re: SLCG CC35 Report – Dealers Room

 

 

Another note. The Con chair took a remarkable amount of heat from the dealers for making this change including them demanding a meeting on site so they could air their views. It was not pretty so I commend him for standing up for the change despite the unpleasentries
and fall out he had to deal with because of it.

 

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 


From: Kaijugal . <kaijugal@hotmail.com>
Sent: June 8, 2017 2:06 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] SLCG CC35 Report – Dealers Room

” the Green Room had to be on the lower floor or the Dealers Room had to be.  They opted (rightly, under the circumstance) to put the Green Room upstairs.  But this meant there was no elevator for the vendors
to bring down their wares in.”

 

 

Yes that is largely correct. Although there  was a side entrance at ground level on the west side of the hotel, under the parking canopy. I’m not sure if this was badly communicated or what transpired as vendors wasn’t my area.

 

With the space the hotel initially rented the con, the original plan by the chair was to have the greenroom in the basement where the vendors where and the dealers up in the room where the greenroom ended up being, (next to the main room).

 

A few of us regulars were strident in our insistance that it be changed. I was also concerned about the mobility issues especially being aware that many of the CC regulars use scooters, etc. (My power was limited however, since I had only volunteered to
help with panels, so I’m glad that the chair and dealers room coordinator eventually acquiesed to the change.)

 

 

 

 

 

** Another note about a former aspect of the review. The hotel did change the function space on CC35 repeatedly, including the number of rooms, the amount of space, the towers, the floors, (inconviencing the workshop panelists that wanted to use the patios), often
weekly, and even daily. There were several changes the week of the con, including a room change Thursday night. >_> The hotel also changed owners and operators during their rennovation. I imagine this accounts for much of the booking issues that people were
reporting as well.

 

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 


From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: May 27, 2017 11:41 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] SLCG CC35 Report – Dealers Room

 

Not big, but not small either – there were 18 vendors.   But as usual, after so many years of attending cons, they didn’t really have much of anything we were in need of.
Nonetheless, they supposedly did “okay” business.   

Gotta say I was disappointed in the dealer room.  I took a slow walk through just after it opened.  My thought was, “Is this it?”

I haven’t seen a dealers’ room that had much of interest since CC 30. This was no worse than usual.

Perhaps a poll needs to be put out to see what people would like to see?

There was supposedly a room scheduling problem with the hotel for where the Dealers Room and where the Green Room would be – Dawn can fill you in on that if she chooses.    Either the Green Room
had to be on the lower floor or the Dealers Room had to be.  They opted (rightly, under the circumstance) to put the Green Room upstairs.  But this meant there was no elevator for the vendors to bring down their wares in.

…and the lack of elevator was a problem for those who had mobility issues.

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3255 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 1/6/2018
Subject: Masquerade Entry

What’s been the policy on people sending in entries for Masquerades, the Folio show, or the single pattern?  If someone can’t attend but wants to send a costume with a model, what do you do?  Say no?  Require a supporting membership for the creator?  Require a full attending for the creator?  (model having an attending is a given).  What about single day passes to enter masquerades?  Looking for opinions and historical precedent.

Thanks,
Aurora

 

Group: runacc Message: 3256 From: costumrs Date: 1/6/2018
Subject: Re: Masquerade Entry

 

Any masquerade I’ve run only requires the people physically at the convention to have memberships.  It would be nice if the non-attenders spring fo a supporting, but I wouldn’t require it.
 
Pierre

Those who fail to learn history

Are doomed to repeat it.
Those who fail to learn history correctly–
Why they are simply doomed.
Achem Dro’hm “The Illusion of Historical Fact.”
— CY 4971
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From: “Aurora Celeste auroraceleste@gmail.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 1/6/18 12:18 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] Masquerade Entry

 

What’s been the policy on people sending in entries for Masquerades, the Folio show, or the single pattern?  If someone can’t attend but wants to send a costume with a model, what do you do?  Say no?  Require a supporting membership for the creator?  Require a full attending for the creator?  (model having an attending is a given).  What about single day passes to enter masquerades?  Looking for opinions and historical precedent.

Thanks,
Aurora

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3257 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 1/6/2018
Subject: Re: Masquerade Entry

An interesting conundrum. What’s happened in the past with masquerade entries where the person who designed and constructed the costume wasn’t there? I’ve seen complaints, but they largely revolve around passing someone else’s work off as one’s own. If the wearer correctly identifies the designer/constructor, that makes it okay, I think.

I did it when I put my kids on stage at CC27 in dresses I didn’t make for them with credit to the maker.

AFAIK, she didn’t have a membership.

I could be wrong.

-b

 

 

On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 3:17 PM, costumrs costumrs@radiks.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Any masquerade I’ve run only requires the people physically at the convention to have memberships.  It would be nice if the non-attenders spring fo a supporting, but I wouldn’t require it.
 
Pierre

Those who fail to learn history

Are doomed to repeat it.
Those who fail to learn history correctly–
Why they are simply doomed.
Achem Dro’hm “The Illusion of Historical Fact.”
— CY 4971
——– Original message ——–
From: “Aurora Celeste auroraceleste@gmail.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 1/6/18 12:18 PM (GMT-06:00)
Subject: [runacc] Masquerade Entry

 

What’s been the policy on people sending in entries for Masquerades, the Folio show, or the single pattern?  If someone can’t attend but wants to send a costume with a model, what do you do?  Say no?  Require a supporting membership for the creator?  Require a full attending for the creator?  (model having an attending is a given).  What about single day passes to enter masquerades?  Looking for opinions and historical precedent.

Thanks,
Aurora

 

 


Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3258 From: costumrs Date: 1/6/2018
Subject: Re: Masquerade Entry

 

Absolutely, correct credit must be given. 
 
Pierre

Those who fail to learn history

Are doomed to repeat it.
Those who fail to learn history correctly–
Why they are simply doomed.
Achem Dro’hm “The Illusion of Historical Fact.”
— CY 4971
——– Original message ——–
From: “Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 1/6/18 2:26 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: “List, Run a CC” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [runacc] Masquerade Entry

 

An interesting conundrum. What’s happened in the past with masquerade entries where the person who designed and constructed the costume wasn’t there? I’ve seen complaints, but they largely revolve around passing someone else’s work off as one’s own. If the wearer correctly identifies the designer/constructor, that makes it okay, I think.

I did it when I put my kids on stage at CC27 in dresses I didn’t make for them with credit to the maker.

AFAIK, she didn’t have a membership.

I could be wrong.

-b

 

 

On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 3:17 PM, costumrs costumrs@radiks.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Any masquerade I’ve run only requires the people physically at the convention to have memberships.  It would be nice if the non-attenders spring fo a supporting, but I wouldn’t require it.
 
Pierre

Those who fail to learn history

Are doomed to repeat it.
Those who fail to learn history correctly–
Why they are simply doomed.
Achem Dro’hm “The Illusion of Historical Fact.”
— CY 4971
——– Original message ——–
From: “Aurora Celeste auroraceleste@gmail.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 1/6/18 12:18 PM (GMT-06:00)
Subject: [runacc] Masquerade Entry

 

What’s been the policy on people sending in entries for Masquerades, the Folio show, or the single pattern?  If someone can’t attend but wants to send a costume with a model, what do you do?  Say no?  Require a supporting membership for the creator?  Require a full attending for the creator?  (model having an attending is a given).  What about single day passes to enter masquerades?  Looking for opinions and historical precedent.

Thanks,
Aurora

 

 


Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3259 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 1/6/2018
Subject: Re: Masquerade Entry

As a follow-up, do you allow non-members to reserve designs to make for the folio with an attending model?

~Aurora

 

 

On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 1:18 PM, Aurora Celeste <auroraceleste@gmail.com> wrote:

What’s been the policy on people sending in entries for Masquerades, the Folio show, or the single pattern?  If someone can’t attend but wants to send a costume with a model, what do you do?  Say no?  Require a supporting membership for the creator?  Require a full attending for the creator?  (model having an attending is a given).  What about single day passes to enter masquerades?  Looking for opinions and historical precedent.

Thanks,
Aurora

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3260 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 1/6/2018
Subject: Re: Masquerade Entry

As long as the person who wears the costume has at least a one-day membership, I’d say yes.

I was in that boat myself. Not everyone has a C-note hanging around and these days. Those dollars are precious.

If the goal is to encourage participation, it’s a good thing, I think.

That said, would I want the whole masquerade made up of models for folks who can’t attend? That kind of defeats the purpose.

Maybe case-by-case basis?

Dunno.

-b

 

 

On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 5:50 PM, Aurora Celeste auroraceleste@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

As a follow-up, do you allow non-members to reserve designs to make for the folio with an attending model?

~Aurora

 

On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 1:18 PM, Aurora Celeste <auroraceleste@gmail.com> wrote:

What’s been the policy on people sending in entries for Masquerades, the Folio show, or the single pattern?  If someone can’t attend but wants to send a costume with a model, what do you do?  Say no?  Require a supporting membership for the creator?  Require a full attending for the creator?  (model having an attending is a given).  What about single day passes to enter masquerades?  Looking for opinions and historical precedent.

Thanks,
Aurora

 

 

 


Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3261 From: Byron Connell Date: 1/6/2018
Subject: Re: Masquerade Entry

 

I agree with Pierre and have followed the same policy.

 

Byron

 

 

On Jan 6, 2018, at 3:17 PM, costumrs costumrs@radiks.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Any masquerade I’ve run only requires the people physically at the convention to have memberships.  It would be nice if the non-attenders spring fo a supporting, but I wouldn’t require it.
 
Pierre

Those who fail to learn history

Are doomed to repeat it.
Those who fail to learn history correctly–
Why they are simply doomed.
Achem Dro’hm “The Illusion of Historical Fact.”
— CY 4971
——– Original message ——–
From: “Aurora Celeste auroraceleste@gmail.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> 
Date: 1/6/18 12:18 PM (GMT-06:00) 
Subject: [runacc] Masquerade Entry 

 

What’s been the policy on people sending in entries for Masquerades, the Folio show, or the single pattern?  If someone can’t attend but wants to send a costume with a model, what do you do?  Say no?  Require a supporting membership for the creator?  Require a full attending for the creator?  (model having an attending is a given).  What about single day passes to enter masquerades?  Looking for opinions and historical precedent.

Thanks,
Aurora

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3262 From: costumrs Date: 1/6/2018
Subject: Re: Masquerade Entry

 

I’d say that id a bit trickier. However, the couple of times we ran the FFShow, we didn’t have access to the membership list, so we had to take it on faith.
 
Pierre

Those who fail to learn history

Are doomed to repeat it.
Those who fail to learn history correctly–
Why they are simply doomed.
Achem Dro’hm “The Illusion of Historical Fact.”
— CY 4971
——– Original message ——–
From: “Aurora Celeste auroraceleste@gmail.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 1/6/18 4:50 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] Re: Masquerade Entry

 

As a follow-up, do you allow non-members to reserve designs to make for the folio with an attending model?

~Aurora

 

 

On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 1:18 PM, Aurora Celeste <auroraceleste@gmail.com> wrote:

What’s been the policy on people sending in entries for Masquerades, the Folio show, or the single pattern?  If someone can’t attend but wants to send a costume with a model, what do you do?  Say no?  Require a supporting membership for the creator?  Require a full attending for the creator?  (model having an attending is a given).  What about single day passes to enter masquerades?  Looking for opinions and historical precedent.

Thanks,
Aurora

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3263 From: ECM Date: 1/6/2018
Subject: Re: Masquerade Entry

 

I agree.  For the FFS especially, the designer could be from another country and unable to attend.  Suggest gently that a supporting would be appreciated, but don’t require it.

Elaine

 


From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of costumrs costumrs@radiks.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 3:17 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Masquerade Entry

 

Any masquerade I’ve run only requires the people physically at the convention to have memberships.  It would be nice if the non-attenders spring fo a supporting, but I wouldn’t require it.
 
Pierre

Those who fail to learn history

Are doomed to repeat it.
Those who fail to learn history correctly–
Why they are simply doomed.
Achem Dro’hm “The Illusion of Historical Fact.”
— CY 4971
——– Original message ——–
From: “Aurora Celeste auroraceleste@gmail.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 1/6/18 12:18 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] Masquerade Entry

 

What’s been the policy on people sending in entries for Masquerades, the Folio show, or the single pattern?  If someone can’t attend but wants to send a costume with a model, what do you do?  Say no?  Require a supporting membership for the creator?
Require a full attending for the creator?  (model having an attending is a given).  What about single day passes to enter masquerades?  Looking for opinions and historical precedent.
Thanks,
Aurora

 

Group: runacc Message: 3264 From: Kevin Roche Date: 1/7/2018
Subject: Re: Masquerade Entry
For masquerades themselves, I have usually requested the principle makers have at least supporting memberships, and the wearers must be members.

This has usually been costumes that are family affairs, where all the builders don’t attend.

 

 

On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 6:20 PM, ECM ecmami@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I agree.  For the FFS especially, the designer could be from another country and unable to attend.  Suggest gently that a supporting would be appreciated, but don’t require it.

Elaine

 


From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of costumrs costumrs@radiks.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 3:17 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Masquerade Entry

 

Any masquerade I’ve run only requires the people physically at the convention to have memberships.  It would be nice if the non-attenders spring fo a supporting, but I wouldn’t require it.

 

 
Pierre

Those who fail to learn history

Are doomed to repeat it.
Those who fail to learn history correctly–
Why they are simply doomed.
Achem Dro’hm “The Illusion of Historical Fact.”
— CY 4971
——– Original message ——–
From: “Aurora Celeste auroraceleste@gmail.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 1/6/18 12:18 PM (GMT-06:00)
Subject: [runacc] Masquerade Entry

 

What’s been the policy on people sending in entries for Masquerades, the Folio show, or the single pattern?  If someone can’t attend but wants to send a costume with a model, what do you do?  Say no?  Require a supporting membership for the creator?
Require a full attending for the creator?  (model having an attending is a given).  What about single day passes to enter masquerades?  Looking for opinions and historical precedent.
Thanks,
Aurora

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3265 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 1/7/2018
Subject: Re: Masquerade Entry
If they’re from another country and unable to attend then is it on the convention or the maker to find someone to wear the costume?
~Aurora

 

 

On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 9:20 PM ECM ecmami@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I agree.  For the FFS especially, the designer could be from another country and unable to attend.  Suggest gently that a supporting would be appreciated, but don’t require it.

Elaine

 


From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of costumrs costumrs@radiks.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 3:17 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [runacc] Masquerade Entry

 

 

Any masquerade I’ve run only requires the people physically at the convention to have memberships.  It would be nice if the non-attenders spring fo a supporting, but I wouldn’t require it.
 
Pierre

Those who fail to learn history

Are doomed to repeat it.
Those who fail to learn history correctly–
Why they are simply doomed.
Achem Dro’hm “The Illusion of Historical Fact.”
— CY 4971
——– Original message ——–
From: “Aurora Celeste auroraceleste@gmail.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 1/6/18 12:18 PM (GMT-06:00)
Subject: [runacc] Masquerade Entry

 

What’s been the policy on people sending in entries for Masquerades, the Folio show, or the single pattern?  If someone can’t attend but wants to send a costume with a model, what do you do?  Say no?  Require a supporting membership for the creator?
Require a full attending for the creator?  (model having an attending is a given).  What about single day passes to enter masquerades?  Looking for opinions and historical precedent.
Thanks,
Aurora

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3266 From: Byron Connell Date: 1/8/2018
Subject: Re: Masquerade Entry

 

In my opinion, finding a model is on the maker (emergencies excepted), no matter where the maker resides. The rules ought to be specific on that point.

 

Byron

 

 

On Jan 7, 2018, at 8:57 AM, Aurora Celeste auroraceleste@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

If they’re from another country and unable to attend then is it on the convention or the maker to find someone to wear the costume?
~Aurora

 

On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 9:20 PM ECM ecmami@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



I agree.  For the FFS especially, the designer could be from another country and unable to attend.  Suggest gently that a supporting would be appreciated, but don’t require it.
Elaine




From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of costumrs costumrs@radiks.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 3:17 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [runacc] Masquerade Entry

 

 

Any masquerade I’ve run only requires the people physically at the convention to have memberships.  It would be nice if the non-attenders spring fo a supporting, but I wouldn’t require it.
 
Pierre

Those who fail to learn history

Are doomed to repeat it.
Those who fail to learn history correctly–
Why they are simply doomed.
Achem Dro’hm “The Illusion of Historical Fact.”
— CY 4971
——– Original message ——–
From: “Aurora Celeste auroraceleste@gmail.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 1/6/18 12:18 PM (GMT-06:00) 
Subject: [runacc] Masquerade Entry 

 

What’s been the policy on people sending in entries for Masquerades, the Folio show, or the single pattern?  If someone can’t attend but wants to send a costume with a model, what do you do?  Say no?  Require a supporting membership for the creator?  Require a full attending for the creator?  (model having an attending is a given).  What about single day passes to enter masquerades?  Looking for opinions and historical precedent.

Thanks,
Aurora



 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3267 From: Sharon Sbarsky Date: 1/8/2018
Subject: Re: Masquerade Entry
Thank you all for your comments and opinions!

It sounds like the following “guidelines” make sense:

* To enter the FFF DESIGN contest, one should have at least a supporting membership

* Those appearing on stage in the SF&F, Historical, Single Pattern, and FFF shows should have attending memberships appropriate to their participation (Full Attending, One day, Student, etc.)

* It is suggested that creators/makers of costumes on stage (even if not worn by the maker) should have at least a Supporting membership

Any additional comments?

Sharon

 

 

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 7:23 PM, Byron Connell byronpconnell@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

In my opinion, finding a model is on the maker (emergencies excepted), no matter where the maker resides. The rules ought to be specific on that point.

Byron

 

On Jan 7, 2018, at 8:57 AM, Aurora Celeste auroraceleste@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

If they’re from another country and unable to attend then is it on the convention or the maker to find someone to wear the costume?
~Aurora

 

On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 9:20 PM ECM ecmami@hotmail.com [ runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I agree.  For the FFS especially, the designer could be from another country and unable to attend.  Suggest gently that a supporting would be appreciated, but don’t require it.
Elaine

 


From: runacc@yahoogroups.com < runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of costumrs costumrs@radiks.net [ runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 3:17 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [runacc] Masquerade Entry

 

 

Any masquerade I’ve run only requires the people physically at the convention to have memberships.  It would be nice if the non-attenders spring fo a supporting, but I wouldn’t require it.
 
Pierre

Those who fail to learn history

Are doomed to repeat it.
Those who fail to learn history correctly–
Why they are simply doomed.
Achem Dro’hm “The Illusion of Historical Fact.”
— CY 4971
——– Original message ——–
From: “Aurora Celeste auroraceleste@gmail. com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 1/6/18 12:18 PM (GMT-06:00) 
Subject: [runacc] Masquerade Entry 

 

What’s been the policy on people sending in entries for Masquerades, the Folio show, or the single pattern?  If someone can’t attend but wants to send a costume with a model, what do you do?  Say no?  Require a supporting membership for the creator?  Require a full attending for the creator?  (model having an attending is a given).  What about single day passes to enter masquerades?  Looking for opinions and historical precedent.

Thanks,
Aurora

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3268 From: Kevin Roche Date: 1/8/2018
Subject: Re: Masquerade Entry

hmmm… I just went to look something up. For the Folio (design submission), we didn’t require membership for CC26:

 

You do not have to be a member of Costume-Con 26 to submit designs, but you do have to be an attending member to make up a design and enter it in the Fashion Show. Designers of designs selected for publication will receive a copy of the Folio even if they are not members of the Convention.

 

 

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 4:33 PM, Sharon Sbarsky sbarsky@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Thank you all for your comments and opinions!

It sounds like the following “guidelines” make sense:

* To enter the FFF DESIGN contest, one should have at least a supporting membership

* Those appearing on stage in the SF&F, Historical, Single Pattern, and FFF shows should have attending memberships appropriate to their participation (Full Attending, One day, Student, etc.)

* It is suggested that creators/makers of costumes on stage (even if not worn by the maker) should have at least a Supporting membership

Any additional comments?

Sharon

 

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 7:23 PM, Byron Connell byronpconnell@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

 

In my opinion, finding a model is on the maker (emergencies excepted), no matter where the maker resides. The rules ought to be specific on that point.

 

Byron

 

On Jan 7, 2018, at 8:57 AM, Aurora Celeste auroraceleste@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

If they’re from another country and unable to attend then is it on the convention or the maker to find someone to wear the costume?
~Aurora

 

On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 9:20 PM ECM ecmami@hotmail.com [runacc ] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I agree.  For the FFS especially, the designer could be from another country and unable to attend.  Suggest gently that a supporting would be appreciated, but don’t require it.
Elaine

 


From: runacc@yahoogroups.com < runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of costumrs costumrs@radiks.net [ runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 3:17 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [runacc] Masquerade Entry

 

 

Any masquerade I’ve run only requires the people physically at the convention to have memberships.  It would be nice if the non-attenders spring fo a supporting, but I wouldn’t require it.
 
Pierre

Those who fail to learn history

Are doomed to repeat it.
Those who fail to learn history correctly–
Why they are simply doomed.
Achem Dro’hm “The Illusion of Historical Fact.”
— CY 4971
——– Original message ——–
From: “Aurora Celeste auroraceleste@gmail.co m [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 1/6/18 12:18 PM (GMT-06:00) 
Subject: [runacc] Masquerade Entry 

 

What’s been the policy on people sending in entries for Masquerades, the Folio show, or the single pattern?  If someone can’t attend but wants to send a costume with a model, what do you do?  Say no?  Require a supporting membership for the creator?  Require a full attending for the creator?  (model having an attending is a given).  What about single day passes to enter masquerades?  Looking for opinions and historical precedent.

Thanks,
Aurora

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3269 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 1/8/2018
Subject: Re: Masquerade Entry
This, I don’t remember any CC where the design required a membership (open to correction).  One of the advertising points has been that anyone can enter no matter what.
~Aurora

 

 

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 7:42 PM Kevin Roche kevin@twistedimage.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

hmmm… I just went to look something up. For the Folio (design submission), we didn’t require membership for CC26:

You do not have to be a member of Costume-Con 26 to submit designs, but you do have to be an attending member to make up a design and enter it in the Fashion Show. Designers of designs selected for publication will receive a copy of the Folio even if they are not members of the Convention.

 

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 4:33 PM, Sharon Sbarsky sbarsky@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Thank you all for your comments and opinions!

It sounds like the following “guidelines” make sense:

* To enter the FFF DESIGN contest, one should have at least a supporting membership

* Those appearing on stage in the SF&F, Historical, Single Pattern, and FFF shows should have attending memberships appropriate to their participation (Full Attending, One day, Student, etc.)

* It is suggested that creators/makers of costumes on stage (even if not worn by the maker) should have at least a Supporting membership

Any additional comments?

Sharon

 

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 7:23 PM, Byron Connell byronpconnell@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

 

In my opinion, finding a model is on the maker (emergencies excepted), no matter where the maker resides. The rules ought to be specific on that point.

 

Byron

 

On Jan 7, 2018, at 8:57 AM, Aurora Celeste auroraceleste@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

If they’re from another country and unable to attend then is it on the convention or the maker to find someone to wear the costume?
~Aurora

 

On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 9:20 PM ECM ecmami@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I agree.  For the FFS especially, the designer could be from another country and unable to attend.  Suggest gently that a supporting would be appreciated, but don’t require it.
Elaine

 


From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of costumrs costumrs@radiks.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 3:17 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [runacc] Masquerade Entry

 

 

Any masquerade I’ve run only requires the people physically at the convention to have memberships.  It would be nice if the non-attenders spring fo a supporting, but I wouldn’t require it.
 
Pierre

Those who fail to learn history

Are doomed to repeat it.
Those who fail to learn history correctly–
Why they are simply doomed.
Achem Dro’hm “The Illusion of Historical Fact.”
— CY 4971
——– Original message ——–
From: “Aurora Celeste auroraceleste@gmail.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 1/6/18 12:18 PM (GMT-06:00) 
Subject: [runacc] Masquerade Entry 

 

What’s been the policy on people sending in entries for Masquerades, the Folio show, or the single pattern?  If someone can’t attend but wants to send a costume with a model, what do you do?  Say no?  Require a supporting membership for the creator?  Require a full attending for the creator?  (model having an attending is a given).  What about single day passes to enter masquerades?  Looking for opinions and historical precedent.

Thanks,
Aurora

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3270 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 1/8/2018
Subject: Re: Masquerade Entry

Reasonably sure that those were the rules when I first started entering with the Fashion Folio. I couldn’t afford to travel to CA but I got designs in CC4, IIRC.

Your mileage may vary.

Betsy

 

 

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 7:42 PM, Kevin Roche kevin@twistedimage.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

hmmm… I just went to look something up. For the Folio (design submission), we didn’t require membership for CC26:

You do not have to be a member of Costume-Con 26 to submit designs, but you do have to be an attending member to make up a design and enter it in the Fashion Show. Designers of designs selected for publication will receive a copy of the Folio even if they are not members of the Convention.

 


Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3271 From: ECM Date: 1/8/2018
Subject: Re: Masquerade Entry

 

I don’t remember a requirement for designers to be members at all.  However supporting memberships should be encouraged.

Please correct me if I’m wrong.

 


From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Kevin Roche kevin@twistedimage.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 7:42 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Masquerade Entry

 

hmmm… I just went to look something up. For the Folio (design submission), we didn’t require membership for CC26:

 

You do not have to be a member of Costume-Con 26 to submit designs, but you do have to be an attending member to make up
a design and enter it in the Fashion Show. Designers of designs selected for publication will receive a copy of the Folio even if they are not members of the Convention.

 

 

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 4:33 PM, Sharon Sbarsky
sbarsky@gmail.com
[runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Thank you all for your comments and opinions!

It sounds like the following “guidelines” make sense:

* To enter the FFF DESIGN contest, one should have at least a supporting membership

* Those appearing on stage in the SF&F, Historical, Single Pattern, and FFF shows should have attending memberships appropriate to their participation (Full Attending, One day, Student, etc.)

* It is suggested that creators/makers of costumes on stage (even if not worn by the maker) should have at least a Supporting membership

Any additional comments?

Sharon

 

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 7:23 PM, Byron Connell
byronpconnell@gmail.com
[runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

 

In my opinion, finding a model is on the maker (emergencies excepted), no matter where the maker resides. The rules ought to be specific on that point.

 

Byron

 

On Jan 7, 2018, at 8:57 AM, Aurora Celeste
auroraceleste@gmail.com
[runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

If they’re from another country and unable to attend then is it on the convention or the maker to find someone to wear the costume?
~Aurora

 

On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 9:20 PM ECM ecmami@hotmail.com [runacc ]
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I agree.  For the FFS especially, the designer could be from another country and unable to attend.  Suggest gently that a supporting would be appreciated, but don’t require it.
Elaine

 


From: runacc@yahoogroups.com < runacc@yahoogroups.com>
on behalf of costumrs costumrs@radiks.net [ runacc]
<runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 3:17 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [runacc] Masquerade Entry

 

Any masquerade I’ve run only requires the people physically at the convention to have memberships.  It would be nice if the non-attenders spring fo a supporting, but I wouldn’t require it.
 
Pierre
Those who fail to learn history

Are doomed to repeat it.
Those who fail to learn history correctly–
Why they are simply doomed.
Achem Dro’hm “The Illusion of Historical Fact.”
— CY 4971
——– Original message ——–
From: “Aurora Celeste auroraceleste@gmail.co m [runacc]”
<runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 1/6/18 12:18 PM (GMT-06:00) 
Subject: [runacc] Masquerade Entry 

 

What’s been the policy on people sending in entries for Masquerades, the Folio show, or the single pattern?  If someone can’t attend but wants to send a costume with a model, what do you do?  Say no?  Require a supporting membership for the creator?  Require
a full attending for the creator?  (model having an attending is a given).  What about single day passes to enter masquerades?  Looking for opinions and historical precedent.

Thanks,
Aurora

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3272 From: lichaiya Date: 1/8/2018
Subject: Re: Masquerade Entry

 

 

You are correct, Elaine. I don’t remember any CC required designers to have any membership in the convention. That has always been a selling point to promote entries.

Some, like CC26, required makers for the show to be at least supporting members. However, I don’t think many did and any that I was chair of, or ran the show for, required that, IIRC.

Pierre

 

—–Original Message—–

From: “ECM ecmami@hotmail.com [runacc]”

Sent: Jan 8, 2018 7:45 PM

To: “runacc@yahoogroups.com”

Subject: Re: [runacc] Masquerade Entry

 

 

I don’t remember a requirement for designers to be members at all.  However supporting memberships should be encouraged.

Please correct me if I’m wrong.

 


From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Kevin Roche kevin@twistedimage.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 7:42 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Masquerade Entry

 

hmmm… I just went to look something up. For the Folio (design submission), we didn’t require membership for CC26:

You do not have to be a member of Costume-Con 26 to submit designs, but you do have to be an attending member to make up
a design and enter it in the Fashion Show. Designers of designs selected for publication will receive a copy of the Folio even if they are not members of the Convention.

 

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 4:33 PM, Sharon Sbarsky
sbarsky@gmail.com
[runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Thank you all for your comments and opinions!

It sounds like the following “guidelines” make sense:

* To enter the FFF DESIGN contest, one should have at least a supporting membership

* Those appearing on stage in the SF&F, Historical, Single Pattern, and FFF shows should have attending memberships appropriate to their participation (Full Attending, One day, Student, etc.)

* It is suggested that creators/makers of costumes on stage (even if not worn by the maker) should have at least a Supporting membership

Any additional comments?

Sharon

 

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 7:23 PM, Byron Connell
byronpconnell@gmail.com
[runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

 

In my opinion, finding a model is on the maker (emergencies excepted), no matter where the maker resides. The rules ought to be specific on that point.

 

Byron

 

On Jan 7, 2018, at 8:57 AM, Aurora Celeste
auroraceleste@gmail.com
[runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

If they’re from another country and unable to attend then is it on the convention or the maker to find someone to wear the costume?
~Aurora

 

On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 9:20 PM ECM ecmami@hotmail.com [runacc ]
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I agree.  For the FFS especially, the designer could be from another country and unable to attend.  Suggest gently that a supporting would be appreciated, but don’t require it.
Elaine

 


From: runacc@yahoogroups.com < runacc@yahoogroups.com>
on behalf of costumrs costumrs@radiks.net [ runacc]
<runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 3:17 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [runacc] Masquerade Entry

 

Any masquerade I’ve run only requires the people physically at the convention to have memberships.  It would be nice if the non-attenders spring fo a supporting, but I wouldn’t require it.
 
Pierre
Those who fail to learn history

Are doomed to repeat it.
Those who fail to learn history correctly–
Why they are simply doomed.
Achem Dro’hm “The Illusion of Historical Fact.”
— CY 4971
——– Original message ——–
From: “Aurora Celeste auroraceleste@gmail.co m [runacc]”
<runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 1/6/18 12:18 PM (GMT-06:00) 
Subject: [runacc] Masquerade Entry 

 

What’s been the policy on people sending in entries for Masquerades, the Folio show, or the single pattern?  If someone can’t attend but wants to send a costume with a model, what do you do?  Say no?  Require a supporting membership for the creator?  Require
a full attending for the creator?  (model having an attending is a given).  What about single day passes to enter masquerades?  Looking for opinions and historical precedent.

Thanks,
Aurora

 

 

 

 

 

 

Those who fail to learn history
Are doomed to repeat it. 
Those who fail to learn history correctly --
Why they are simply doomed.

Achem Dro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact." 
-- CY 4971
Andromeda

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3273 From: Kaijugal . Date: 1/9/2018
Subject: Re: Masquerade Entry

 

We have been asked to do that before for a member that had a full membership but ultimately couldn’t attend. Her sister (the “model”) was still attending. In that case we knew both people involved and the provenance
of the costume in question, and the creator was credited fully.

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North

 

Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime
Convention!

www.animenorth.com  
 

 


From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Aurora Celeste auroraceleste@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: January 6, 2018 1:18 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] Masquerade Entry

 

What’s been the policy on people sending in entries for Masquerades, the Folio show, or the single pattern?  If someone can’t attend but wants to send a costume with a model, what do you do?  Say no?  Require a supporting membership for the creator?
Require a full attending for the creator?  (model having an attending is a given).  What about single day passes to enter masquerades?  Looking for opinions and historical precedent.
Thanks,
Aurora

 

Group: runacc Message: 3274 From: Kaijugal . Date: 1/9/2018
Subject: Re: Masquerade Entry

 

We didn’t require people to have a Costume-Con 32 membership to enter designs in the Future Fashion Folio. Making it open to anyone turned out to be a great way to generate interest in Costume-Con.

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North

 

Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime
Convention!

www.animenorth.com  
 

 


From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Aurora Celeste auroraceleste@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: January 8, 2018 7:51 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Masquerade Entry

 

This, I don’t remember any CC where the design required a membership (open to correction).  One of the advertising points has been that anyone can enter no matter what.
~Aurora

 

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 7:42 PM Kevin Roche
kevin@twistedimage.com
[runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

hmmm… I just went to look something up. For the Folio (design submission), we didn’t require membership for CC26:

You do not have to be a member of Costume-Con 26 to submit designs, but you do have to be an attending member to make up
a design and enter it in the Fashion Show. Designers of designs selected for publication will receive a copy of the Folio even if they are not members of the Convention.

 

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 4:33 PM, Sharon Sbarsky
sbarsky@gmail.com
[runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Thank you all for your comments and opinions!

It sounds like the following “guidelines” make sense:

* To enter the FFF DESIGN contest, one should have at least a supporting membership

* Those appearing on stage in the SF&F, Historical, Single Pattern, and FFF shows should have attending memberships appropriate to their participation (Full Attending, One day, Student, etc.)

* It is suggested that creators/makers of costumes on stage (even if not worn by the maker) should have at least a Supporting membership

Any additional comments?

Sharon

 

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 7:23 PM, Byron Connell
byronpconnell@gmail.com
[runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

In my opinion, finding a model is on the maker (emergencies excepted), no matter where the maker resides. The rules ought to be specific on that point.

 

Byron

 

On Jan 7, 2018, at 8:57 AM, Aurora Celeste
auroraceleste@gmail.com
[runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

If they’re from another country and unable to attend then is it on the convention or the maker to find someone to wear the costume?
~Aurora

 

On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 9:20 PM ECM ecmami@hotmail.com [runacc]
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I agree.  For the FFS especially, the designer could be from another country and unable to attend.  Suggest gently that a supporting would be appreciated, but don’t require it.
Elaine

 


From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
on behalf of costumrs costumrs@radiks.net [runacc]
<runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 3:17 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [runacc] Masquerade Entry

 

Any masquerade I’ve run only requires the people physically at the convention to have memberships.  It would be nice if the non-attenders spring fo a supporting, but I wouldn’t require it.
 
Pierre
Those who fail to learn history

Are doomed to repeat it.
Those who fail to learn history correctly–
Why they are simply doomed.
Achem Dro’hm “The Illusion of Historical Fact.”
— CY 4971
——– Original message ——–
From: “Aurora Celeste auroraceleste@gmail.com [runacc]”
<runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 1/6/18 12:18 PM (GMT-06:00) 
Subject: [runacc] Masquerade Entry 

 

What’s been the policy on people sending in entries for Masquerades, the Folio show, or the single pattern?  If someone can’t attend but wants to send a costume with a model, what do you do?  Say no?  Require a supporting membership for the creator?  Require
a full attending for the creator?  (model having an attending is a given).  What about single day passes to enter masquerades?  Looking for opinions and historical precedent.

Thanks,
Aurora

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3275 From: Sharon Sbarsky Date: 1/9/2018
Subject: Re: Masquerade Entry
Thanks Dawn.

So maybe the guidelines I posted should be:

* Those appearing on stage in the SF&F, Historical, Single Pattern,
and FFF shows should have attending memberships appropriate to their
participation (Full Attending, One day, Student, etc.)

* To enter the FFF DESIGN contest or be a creator or maker of a costume on stage, does not require a membership, but may consider getting a supporting membership to support the Costume-Con.

Sharon

 

 

On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 11:21 AM, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

We didn’t require people to have a Costume-Con 32 membership to enter designs in the Future Fashion Folio. Making it open to anyone turned out to be a great way to generate interest in Costume-Con.

 

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North

 

Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime
Convention!

www.animenorth.com  
 

 


From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Aurora Celeste auroraceleste@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: January 8, 2018 7:51 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Masquerade Entry

 

This, I don’t remember any CC where the design required a membership (open to correction).  One of the advertising points has been that anyone can enter no matter what.
~Aurora

 

 

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 7:42 PM Kevin Roche
kevin@twistedimage.com
[runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

 

hmmm… I just went to look something up. For the Folio (design submission), we didn’t require membership for CC26:

You do not have to be a member of Costume-Con 26 to submit designs, but you do have to be an attending member to make up
a design and enter it in the Fashion Show. Designers of designs selected for publication will receive a copy of the Folio even if they are not members of the Convention.

 

 

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 4:33 PM, Sharon Sbarsky
sbarsky@gmail.com
[runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Thank you all for your comments and opinions!

It sounds like the following “guidelines” make sense:

* To enter the FFF DESIGN contest, one should have at least a supporting membership

* Those appearing on stage in the SF&F, Historical, Single Pattern, and FFF shows should have attending memberships appropriate to their participation (Full Attending, One day, Student, etc.)

* It is suggested that creators/makers of costumes on stage (even if not worn by the maker) should have at least a Supporting membership

Any additional comments?

Sharon

 

 

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 7:23 PM, Byron Connell
byronpconnell@gmail.com
[runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 


In my opinion, finding a model is on the maker (emergencies excepted), no matter where the maker resides. The rules ought to be specific on that point.

 

Byron

 

 

On Jan 7, 2018, at 8:57 AM, Aurora Celeste
auroraceleste@gmail.com
[runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

If they’re from another country and unable to attend then is it on the convention or the maker to find someone to wear the costume?
~Aurora

 

On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 9:20 PM ECM ecmami@hotmail..com [ runacc]
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I agree.  For the FFS especially, the designer could be from another country and unable to attend.  Suggest gently that a supporting would be appreciated, but don’t require it.
Elaine

 


From: runacc@yahoogroups.com < runacc@yahoogroups.com>
on behalf of costumrs costumrs@radiks.net [ runacc]
<runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 3:17 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [runacc] Masquerade Entry

 

Any masquerade I’ve run only requires the people physically at the convention to have memberships.  It would be nice if the non-attenders spring fo a supporting, but I wouldn’t require it.
 
Pierre
Those who fail to learn history

Are doomed to repeat it.
Those who fail to learn history correctly–
Why they are simply doomed.
Achem Dro’hm “The Illusion of Historical Fact.”
— CY 4971
——– Original message ——–
From: “Aurora Celeste auroraceleste@gmail. com [runacc]”
<runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 1/6/18 12:18 PM (GMT-06:00) 
Subject: [runacc] Masquerade Entry 

 

What’s been the policy on people sending in entries for Masquerades, the Folio show, or the single pattern?  If someone can’t attend but wants to send a costume with a model, what do you do?  Say no?  Require a supporting membership for the creator?  Require
a full attending for the creator?  (model having an attending is a given).  What about single day passes to enter masquerades?  Looking for opinions and historical precedent.

Thanks,
Aurora

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3276 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 1/9/2018
Subject: Re: Masquerade Entry

Late to the conversation, sorry.
Usually FFS designers are not required to have a membership (although it has happened but not recently).
But FFF entrants are required to had an attending.
So what you below is better 🙂

Nora
——————————————–

On Tue, 1/9/18, Sharon Sbarsky sbarsky@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [runacc] Masquerade Entry
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 9, 2018, 10:30 AM

Thanks Dawn.

So maybe the guidelines I posted should be:

* Those appearing on stage in the SF&F, Historical,
Single Pattern,
and FFF shows should have attending memberships appropriate
to their
participation (Full Attending, One day, Student, etc.)

* To enter the FFF DESIGN
contest or be a creator or maker of a costume on stage, does
not require a membership, but may consider getting a
supporting membership to support the Costume-Con.

Sharon

 

Group: runacc Message: 3277 From: Byron Connell Date: 1/9/2018
Subject: Re: Masquerade Entry

 

The substance of your two items looks fine to me. However, in the first one, I suggest you change “should” to “must.” Membership is not optional if you plan to appear on stage. Depending on how the two will be displayed, you may want to spell out SF&F and FFF. If, for example, they’ll be on our web site but not in the context of the full titles, we can’t be sure that every person will know what the abbreviations mean.

 

 

Byron

 

 

On Jan 9, 2018, at 11:30 AM, Sharon Sbarsky sbarsky@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Thanks Dawn.

So maybe the guidelines I posted should be:

* Those appearing on stage in the SF&F, Historical, Single Pattern, and FFF shows should have attending memberships appropriate to their participation (Full Attending, One day, Student, etc.)

* To enter the FFF DESIGN contest or be a creator or maker of a costume on stage, does not require a membership, but may consider getting a supporting membership to support the Costume-Con.

Sharon

 

On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 11:21 AM, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

We didn’t require people to have a Costume-Con 32 membership to enter designs in the Future Fashion Folio. Making it open to anyone turned out to be a great way to generate interest in Costume-Con.

 

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North

 

Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  
 




From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Aurora Celeste auroraceleste@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: January 8, 2018 7:51 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Masquerade Entry

 

This, I don’t remember any CC where the design required a membership (open to correction).  One of the advertising points has been that anyone can enter no matter what.
~Aurora

 

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 7:42 PM Kevin Roche kevin@twistedimage.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 



hmmm… I just went to look something up. For the Folio (design submission), we didn’t require membership for CC26:

You do not have to be a member of Costume-Con 26 to submit designs, but you do have to be an attending member to make up a design and enter it in the Fashion Show. Designers of designs selected for publication will receive a copy of the Folio even if they are not members of the Convention.

 

 

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 4:33 PM, Sharon Sbarsky sbarsky@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



Thank you all for your comments and opinions! 

It sounds like the following “guidelines” make sense:

* To enter the FFF DESIGN contest, one should have at least a supporting membership

* Those appearing on stage in the SF&F, Historical, Single Pattern, and FFF shows should have attending memberships appropriate to their participation (Full Attending, One day, Student, etc.)

* It is suggested that creators/makers of costumes on stage (even if not worn by the maker) should have at least a Supporting membership

Any additional comments?

Sharon

 

 

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 7:23 PM, Byron Connell byronpconnell@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

 

In my opinion, finding a model is on the maker (emergencies excepted), no matter where the maker resides. The rules ought to be specific on that point.

 

Byron

 

 

On Jan 7, 2018, at 8:57 AM, Aurora Celeste auroraceleste@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

If they’re from another country and unable to attend then is it on the convention or the maker to find someone to wear the costume?
~Aurora

 

On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 9:20 PM ECM ecmami@hotmail..com [ runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



I agree.  For the FFS especially, the designer could be from another country and unable to attend.  Suggest gently that a supporting would be appreciated, but don’t require it.
Elaine




From: runacc@yahoogroups.com < runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of costumrs costumrs@radiks.net [ runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 3:17 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups..com

Subject: Re: [runacc] Masquerade Entry

 

 

Any masquerade I’ve run only requires the people physically at the convention to have memberships.  It would be nice if the non-attenders spring fo a supporting, but I wouldn’t require it.
 
Pierre

Those who fail to learn history

Are doomed to repeat it.
Those who fail to learn history correctly–
Why they are simply doomed.
Achem Dro’hm “The Illusion of Historical Fact.”
— CY 4971
——– Original message ——–
From: “Aurora Celeste auroraceleste@gmail. com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 1/6/18 12:18 PM (GMT-06:00) 
Subject: [runacc] Masquerade Entry 

 

What’s been the policy on people sending in entries for Masquerades, the Folio show, or the single pattern?  If someone can’t attend but wants to send a costume with a model, what do you do?  Say no?  Require a supporting membership for the creator?  Require a full attending for the creator?  (model having an attending is a given).  What about single day passes to enter masquerades?  Looking for opinions and historical precedent.

Thanks,
Aurora



 

 



 



 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3278 From: lichaiya Date: 1/9/2018
Subject: Re: Masquerade Entry

 

 

I agree

Pierre

 

—–Original Message—–

From: “Byron Connell byronpconnell@gmail.com [runacc]”

Sent: Jan 9, 2018 6:00 PM

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [runacc] Masquerade Entry

 

 

The substance of your two items looks fine to me. However, in the first one, I suggest you change “should” to “must.” Membership is not optional if you plan to appear on stage. Depending on how the two will be displayed, you may want to spell out SF&F and FFF. If, for example, they’ll be on our web site but not in the context of the full titles, we can’t be sure that every person will know what the abbreviations mean.

 

Byron

 

On Jan 9, 2018, at 11:30 AM, Sharon Sbarsky sbarsky@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Thanks Dawn.

So maybe the guidelines I posted should be:

* Those appearing on stage in the SF&F, Historical, Single Pattern, and FFF shows should have attending memberships appropriate to their participation (Full Attending, One day, Student, etc.)

* To enter the FFF DESIGN contest or be a creator or maker of a costume on stage, does not require a membership, but may consider getting a supporting membership to support the Costume-Con.

Sharon

 

On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 11:21 AM, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

We didn’t require people to have a Costume-Con 32 membership to enter designs in the Future Fashion Folio. Making it open to anyone turned out to be a great way to generate interest in Costume-Con.

 

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North

 

Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  
 




From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Aurora Celeste auroraceleste@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: January 8, 2018 7:51 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Masquerade Entry

 

This, I don’t remember any CC where the design required a membership (open to correction).  One of the advertising points has been that anyone can enter no matter what.
~Aurora

 

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 7:42 PM Kevin Roche kevin@twistedimage.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 



hmmm… I just went to look something up. For the Folio (design submission), we didn’t require membership for CC26:

You do not have to be a member of Costume-Con 26 to submit designs, but you do have to be an attending member to make up a design and enter it in the Fashion Show. Designers of designs selected for publication will receive a copy of the Folio even if they are not members of the Convention.

 

 

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 4:33 PM, Sharon Sbarsky sbarsky@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



Thank you all for your comments and opinions! 

It sounds like the following “guidelines” make sense:

* To enter the FFF DESIGN contest, one should have at least a supporting membership

* Those appearing on stage in the SF&F, Historical, Single Pattern, and FFF shows should have attending memberships appropriate to their participation (Full Attending, One day, Student, etc.)

* It is suggested that creators/makers of costumes on stage (even if not worn by the maker) should have at least a Supporting membership

Any additional comments?

Sharon

 

 

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 7:23 PM, Byron Connell byronpconnell@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

 

In my opinion, finding a model is on the maker (emergencies excepted), no matter where the maker resides. The rules ought to be specific on that point.

 

Byron

 

 

On Jan 7, 2018, at 8:57 AM, Aurora Celeste auroraceleste@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

If they’re from another country and unable to attend then is it on the convention or the maker to find someone to wear the costume?
~Aurora

 

On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 9:20 PM ECM ecmami@hotmail..com [ runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



I agree.  For the FFS especially, the designer could be from another country and unable to attend.  Suggest gently that a supporting would be appreciated, but don’t require it.
Elaine




From: runacc@yahoogroups.com < runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of costumrs costumrs@radiks.net [ runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 3:17 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups..com

Subject: Re: [runacc] Masquerade Entry

 

 

Any masquerade I’ve run only requires the people physically at the convention to have memberships.  It would be nice if the non-attenders spring fo a supporting, but I wouldn’t require it.
 
Pierre

Those who fail to learn history

Are doomed to repeat it.
Those who fail to learn history correctly–
Why they are simply doomed.
Achem Dro’hm “The Illusion of Historical Fact.”
— CY 4971
——– Original message ——–
From: “Aurora Celeste auroraceleste@gmail. com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 1/6/18 12:18 PM (GMT-06:00) 
Subject: [runacc] Masquerade Entry 

 

What’s been the policy on people sending in entries for Masquerades, the Folio show, or the single pattern?  If someone can’t attend but wants to send a costume with a model, what do you do?  Say no?  Require a supporting membership for the creator?  Require a full attending for the creator?  (model having an attending is a given).  What about single day passes to enter masquerades?  Looking for opinions and historical precedent.

Thanks,
Aurora



 

 



 



 

 

 

Those who fail to learn history
Are doomed to repeat it. 
Those who fail to learn history correctly --
Why they are simply doomed.

Achem Dro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact." 
-- CY 4971
Andromeda

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3279 From: beckieboo817 Date: 1/9/2018
Subject: Room nights for CC36

Hey, everyone,

 

I have met my room nights but need to add more nights. We’ve met our room night goals and have added a few more nights to get Richard Man a room for his photo display. So, how much more do I need to add to the room block does anyone think?

 

We have 102 for Friday night, 108 for Saturday and 90 for Sunday…How much more?  They’re asking and I have no idea.

 

Group: runacc Message: 3280 From: Trudy Leonard Date: 1/9/2018
Subject: Re: Room nights for CC36

 

We may not use all the rooms we have booked, which would cut 5 to 10 nights, if that’s any help.

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

—- beckieboo817@yahoo.com [runacc] wrote —-

 

Hey, everyone,

 

I have met my room nights but need to add more nights. We’ve met our room night goals and have added a few more nights to get Richard Man a room for his photo display. So, how much more do I need to add to the room block does anyone think?

 

We have 102 for Friday night, 108 for Saturday and 90 for Sunday…How much more?  They’re asking and I have no idea.

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3281 From: M.Bruno Date: 1/9/2018
Subject: Re: Room nights for CC36

You’re about 10% over what I had for CC31.

Michael

 

 

 

On Jan 9, 2018 8:17 PM, “beckieboo817@yahoo.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Hey, everyone,

 

I have met my room nights but need to add more nights. We’ve met our room night goals and have added a few more nights to get Richard Man a room for his photo display. So, how much more do I need to add to the room block does anyone think?

 

We have 102 for Friday night, 108 for Saturday and 90 for Sunday…How much more?  They’re asking and I have no idea.

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3282 From: Byron Connell Date: 2/24/2018
Subject: Adding the New Officers to the Pups’ Web Site
Susan —

In advance of the meeting on 3/17, please update the officers on the Members Gallery page:

President, Byron Connell
1st Vice President, Richard Fine
2nd Vice President, Kathryn Draves
Corresponding Secretary, Elaine Mami
Recording Secretary, Tina Connell
Treasurer, Abi Levinson

Also, please add the minutes of the September 16, 2017, meeting that were approved at the December 2 meeting. They’re attached, in Word.

I’ve also attached the current membership list, should you have an opportunity to update the Members Gallery. These are the only persons we should be listing as members right now.

Finally, if you have the time, the Events list needs updating, at least to remove all the 2017 items.

Thanks for your help. If you have any questions, let me know.

I hope you can make the meeting.

Byron

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 3283 From: von_drago Date: 2/24/2018
Subject: Vital information needed by Archives

For upcoming CCs – we need a full set of run order & awards lists from ALL competitions at the con.

Not only for the ICG Archives but for the CC records & website.

 

There has been missing documentation from several recent CCs and I have spent hours watching, pausing & rewinding DVDs trying to catch names, etc. 

It is neither fun nor particularly accurate. Please help us out by getting that data to us as soon as you can.

Email us spreadsheets, hand us printed forms – any data is better than bad or none.

 

Thanks,

 

Nora Mai

ICG Archives

 

Group: runacc Message: 3284 From: Byron Connell Date: 2/24/2018
Subject: Re: Vital information needed by Archives

 

Nora —

 

Did I send you the CC 29 and 32 Historicals and the CC 33 SFF? Let me know so I can send you what I should have sent.
Byron

i

 

On Feb 24, 2018, at 7:42 PM, von_drago@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

For upcoming CCs – we need a full set of run order & awards lists from ALL competitions at the con.

Not only for the ICG Archives but for the CC records & website.

 

There has been missing documentation from several recent CCs and I have spent hours watching, pausing & rewinding DVDs trying to catch names, etc. 

It is neither fun nor particularly accurate. Please help us out by getting that data to us as soon as you can.

Email us spreadsheets, hand us printed forms – any data is better than bad or none.

 

Thanks,

 

Nora Mai

ICG Archives

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3285 From: von_drago Date: 2/25/2018
Subject: Re: Vital information needed by Archives

I have all of your info, Byron. You’ve always been one of the best about getting the information to us in a timely fashion.

Nora

 

Group: runacc Message: 3286 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 5/21/2018
Subject: Migration and revision

Hey, all!

I did something I haven’t done in nine years: I attended a CC. I’m glad I did, and as of this writing, I have plans to do the same for CC37 next March.
While I was there, I met with Karen, Pierre, Kevin, Andy, Byron and Sharon Sbarsky (CC37), to revise the ConStitution. It’s going to be a major revision (3.0) when we’re done.
The motivation for the change comes from missing archive materials (photos, run lists, and more), and other structural organization issues with the document.
There’s an active editing process underway on Google docs. We worked our way through the entirety of Section 1. When we’ve finished reviewing Section 2 (the Site Selection process) I’ll post a link for review and comment.

 

But there’s more.
It’s only a matter of time before FatCow, Costume-Con.org’s hosting company, breaks Gallery the same way Gallery broke on the ICG’s site. That knowledge has led to some major changes.
Last summer I moved the bulk of the site’s front end to WordPress. I’m updating the front page and news pages this week, but I wanted you to know what’s coming next before I post this info there.
1. I’m migrating all of the data relating to programs, rules, and details like locations to WordPress, and out of Gallery. When I’m done, you’ll be able to pull up all the overview details, all the rules for SF/F masquerade competitions, and more. I’m not ready to move the photos yet. That’s coming soon.
2. I’m adding Cat Devereaux’s Fashion Folio section from Alley Cat Scratch. This represents a series of printable Fashion Folio figures and assorted other designer resources.
3. I’ve initiated contact with the ICG for attempting to locate the best system or plugin to migrate the photos in Gallery.
4. This Yahoo Group forum has become problematic. I can’t search further back than 2012, and there isn’t a good way to get at the data in the 3k+ messages stored here, which makes this a much less useful communication archive than it was.
I created a subdomain, runacc.costume-con.org, and attempted a second WordPress installation for the purpose of migrating runacc to a blog, but the installation is not working properly on FatCow, and I’m not convinced that turning this resource into a blog is the best choice.
Furthermore, with 36 years’ worth of data, I don’t think I can do this work by myself.
So, I’m asking for help and input.
What I want for RunaCC is something that we can store and host in a single website, rather than continuing to depend on external sites like Yahoo.
Yahoo’s main advantage is “push technology” (sending you messages when they’re posted by others), but there are several people who have that option turned off on Yahoo, and I’m not sure how many members are still paying attention to this list.
As much as it pained me to do it, I removed Marty’s account from the group. There are still 36 members.
It’s been a while since I asked people if they wanted to continue to subscribe here. This seems like a good time to ask again.
If you have suggestions for migrating this forum, I’m all ears. I want to see us off of Yahoo by the end of summer, if not sooner.
Please provide feedback as soon as possible.
I know some of you are tied up with Worldcon and some of you are working with Phil and Ozma on migrating Gallery on the ICG’s site.
We’re collecting the data and photos from this year’s CC to post soon.
Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.
If you’re ready to depart from this resource, thanks very much for your input and attention over the last several decades!
More soon,
Betsy

 

Group: runacc Message: 3287 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/21/2018
Subject: Re: Migration and revision

 

 

Might be worth looking into Slack.   The ICG now uses that in addition to the D list.   I’ll let Nora speak for the CC Gallery concerns.   We know you guys talked about the ICG Gallery and Leslie and Philip supposedly have a plan in place now, although we’re awaiting more details.

 

And yes, we want to continue to subscribe!   BTW, I’ll be compiling the CC review in the next few days and weeks.  Not sure when I’ll have time yet to publish it yet.

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 7:07 AM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: [runacc] Migration and revision

Hey, all!

I did something I haven’t done in nine years: I attended a CC. I’m glad I did, and as of this writing, I have plans to do the same for CC37 next March.

While I was there, I met with Karen, Pierre, Kevin, Andy, Byron and Sharon Sbarsky (CC37), to revise the ConStitution. It’s going to be a major revision (3.0) when we’re done.

The motivation for the change comes from missing archive materials (photos, run lists, and more), and other structural organization issues with the document.

There’s an active editing process underway on Google docs. We worked our way through the entirety of Section 1. When we’ve finished reviewing Section 2 (the Site Selection process) I’ll post a link for review and comment.

But there’s more.

It’s only a matter of time before FatCow, Costume-Con.org’s hosting company, breaks Gallery the same way Gallery broke on the ICG’s site. That knowledge has led to some major changes.

Last summer I moved the bulk of the site’s front end to WordPress. I’m updating the front page and news pages this week, but I wanted you to know what’s coming next before I post this info there.

1. I’m migrating all of the data relating to programs, rules, and details like locations to WordPress, and out of Gallery. When I’m done, you’ll be able to pull up all the overview details, all the rules for SF/F masquerade competitions, and more. I’m not ready to move the photos yet. That’s coming soon.

2. I’m adding Cat Devereaux’s Fashion Folio section from Alley Cat Scratch. This represents a series of printable Fashion Folio figures and assorted other designer resources.

3. I’ve initiated contact with the ICG for attempting to locate the best system or plugin to migrate the photos in Gallery.

4. This Yahoo Group forum has become problematic. I can’t search further back than 2012, and there isn’t a good way to get at the data in the 3k+ messages stored here, which makes this a much less useful communication archive than it was.

I created a subdomain, runacc.costume-con.org, and attempted a second WordPress installation for the purpose of migrating runacc to a blog, but the installation is not working properly on FatCow, and I’m not convinced that turning this resource into a blog is the best choice.

Furthermore, with 36 years’ worth of data, I don’t think I can do this work by myself.

So, I’m asking for help and input.

What I want for RunaCC is something that we can store and host in a single website, rather than continuing to depend on external sites like Yahoo.

Yahoo’s main advantage is “push technology” (sending you messages when they’re posted by others), but there are several people who have that option turned off on Yahoo, and I’m not sure how many members are still paying attention to this list.

As much as it pained me to do it, I removed Marty’s account from the group. There are still 36 members.

It’s been a while since I asked people if they wanted to continue to subscribe here. This seems like a good time to ask again.

If you have suggestions for migrating this forum, I’m all ears. I want to see us off of Yahoo by the end of summer, if not sooner.

Please provide feedback as soon as possible.

I know some of you are tied up with Worldcon and some of you are working with Phil and Ozma on migrating Gallery on the ICG’s site.

We’re collecting the data and photos from this year’s CC to post soon.

Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

If you’re ready to depart from this resource, thanks very much for your input and attention over the last several decades!

More soon,

Betsy

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3288 From: costumrs Date: 5/21/2018
Subject: Re: Migration and revision

 

As I’m sure you know, I’m staying.
 
Pierre

Those who fail to learn history

Are doomed to repeat it.
Those who fail to learn history correctly–
Why they are simply doomed.
Achem Dro’hm “The Illusion of Historical Fact.”
— CY 4971
——– Original message ——–
From: “Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 5/21/18 7:06 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: “List, Run a CC” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [runacc] Migration and revision

 

Hey, all!

I did something I haven’t done in nine years: I attended a CC. I’m glad I did, and as of this writing, I have plans to do the same for CC37 next March.
While I was there, I met with Karen, Pierre, Kevin, Andy, Byron and Sharon Sbarsky (CC37), to revise the ConStitution. It’s going to be a major revision (3.0) when we’re done.
The motivation for the change comes from missing archive materials (photos, run lists, and more), and other structural organization issues with the document.
There’s an active editing process underway on Google docs. We worked our way through the entirety of Section 1. When we’ve finished reviewing Section 2 (the Site Selection process) I’ll post a link for review and comment.

 

But there’s more.
It’s only a matter of time before FatCow, Costume-Con.org’s hosting company, breaks Gallery the same way Gallery broke on the ICG’s site. That knowledge has led to some major changes.
Last summer I moved the bulk of the site’s front end to WordPress. I’m updating the front page and news pages this week, but I wanted you to know what’s coming next before I post this info there.
1. I’m migrating all of the data relating to programs, rules, and details like locations to WordPress, and out of Gallery. When I’m done, you’ll be able to pull up all the overview details, all the rules for SF/F masquerade competitions, and more. I’m not ready to move the photos yet. That’s coming soon.
2. I’m adding Cat Devereaux’s Fashion Folio section from Alley Cat Scratch. This represents a series of printable Fashion Folio figures and assorted other designer resources.
3. I’ve initiated contact with the ICG for attempting to locate the best system or plugin to migrate the photos in Gallery.
4. This Yahoo Group forum has become problematic. I can’t search further back than 2012, and there isn’t a good way to get at the data in the 3k+ messages stored here, which makes this a much less useful communication archive than it was.
I created a subdomain, runacc.costume-con.org, and attempted a second WordPress installation for the purpose of migrating runacc to a blog, but the installation is not working properly on FatCow, and I’m not convinced that turning this resource into a blog is the best choice.
Furthermore, with 36 years’ worth of data, I don’t think I can do this work by myself.
So, I’m asking for help and input.
What I want for RunaCC is something that we can store and host in a single website, rather than continuing to depend on external sites like Yahoo.
Yahoo’s main advantage is “push technology” (sending you messages when they’re posted by others), but there are several people who have that option turned off on Yahoo, and I’m not sure how many members are still paying attention to this list.
As much as it pained me to do it, I removed Marty’s account from the group. There are still 36 members.
It’s been a while since I asked people if they wanted to continue to subscribe here. This seems like a good time to ask again.
If you have suggestions for migrating this forum, I’m all ears. I want to see us off of Yahoo by the end of summer, if not sooner.
Please provide feedback as soon as possible.
I know some of you are tied up with Worldcon and some of you are working with Phil and Ozma on migrating Gallery on the ICG’s site.
We’re collecting the data and photos from this year’s CC to post soon.
Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.
If you’re ready to depart from this resource, thanks very much for your input and attention over the last several decades!
More soon,
Betsy

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3289 From: Vicky Young Date: 5/21/2018
Subject: Re: Migration and revision

 

I would like to stay, and although I cannot volunteer to help with the migrations, I will be trying to get some of the missing CC34 data. If anyone else is missing anything from CC34 (I’m aware of what the archives are missing and trying to get ahold of it), please let me know.
Vicky Assarattanakul

On Monday, May 21, 2018, 7:50:50 AM CDT, costumrs costumrs@radiks.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

As I’m sure you know, I’m staying.
 
Pierre

Those who fail to learn history

Are doomed to repeat it.
Those who fail to learn history correctly–
Why they are simply doomed.
Achem Dro’hm “The Illusion of Historical Fact.”
— CY 4971
——– Original message ——–
From: “Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 5/21/18 7:06 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: “List, Run a CC” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [runacc] Migration and revision

 

Hey, all!

I did something I haven’t done in nine years: I attended a CC. I’m glad I did, and as of this writing, I have plans to do the same for CC37 next March.
While I was there, I met with Karen, Pierre, Kevin, Andy, Byron and Sharon Sbarsky (CC37), to revise the ConStitution. It’s going to be a major revision (3.0) when we’re done.
The motivation for the change comes from missing archive materials (photos, run lists, and more), and other structural organization issues with the document.
There’s an active editing process underway on Google docs. We worked our way through the entirety of Section 1. When we’ve finished reviewing Section 2 (the Site Selection process) I’ll post a link for review and comment.

 

But there’s more.
It’s only a matter of time before FatCow, Costume-Con.org’s hosting company, breaks Gallery the same way Gallery broke on the ICG’s site. That knowledge has led to some major changes.
Last summer I moved the bulk of the site’s front end to WordPress. I’m updating the front page and news pages this week, but I wanted you to know what’s coming next before I post this info there.
1. I’m migrating all of the data relating to programs, rules, and details like locations to WordPress, and out of Gallery. When I’m done, you’ll be able to pull up all the overview details, all the rules for SF/F masquerade competitions, and more. I’m not ready to move the photos yet. That’s coming soon.
2. I’m adding Cat Devereaux’s Fashion Folio section from Alley Cat Scratch. This represents a series of printable Fashion Folio figures and assorted other designer resources.
3. I’ve initiated contact with the ICG for attempting to locate the best system or plugin to migrate the photos in Gallery.
4. This Yahoo Group forum has become problematic. I can’t search further back than 2012, and there isn’t a good way to get at the data in the 3k+ messages stored here, which makes this a much less useful communication archive than it was.
I created a subdomain, runacc.costume-con.org, and attempted a second WordPress installation for the purpose of migrating runacc to a blog, but the installation is not working properly on FatCow, and I’m not convinced that turning this resource into a blog is the best choice.
Furthermore, with 36 years’ worth of data, I don’t think I can do this work by myself.
So, I’m asking for help and input.
What I want for RunaCC is something that we can store and host in a single website, rather than continuing to depend on external sites like Yahoo.
Yahoo’s main advantage is “push technology” (sending you messages when they’re posted by others), but there are several people who have that option turned off on Yahoo, and I’m not sure how many members are still paying attention to this list.
As much as it pained me to do it, I removed Marty’s account from the group. There are still 36 members.
It’s been a while since I asked people if they wanted to continue to subscribe here. This seems like a good time to ask again.
If you have suggestions for migrating this forum, I’m all ears. I want to see us off of Yahoo by the end of summer, if not sooner.
Please provide feedback as soon as possible.
I know some of you are tied up with Worldcon and some of you are working with Phil and Ozma on migrating Gallery on the ICG’s site.
We’re collecting the data and photos from this year’s CC to post soon.
Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.
If you’re ready to depart from this resource, thanks very much for your input and attention over the last several decades!
More soon,
Betsy

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3290 From: Marg Grady Date: 5/21/2018
Subject: Re: Migration and revision
I’m here!

 

Group: runacc Message: 3291 From: Byron P Connell Date: 5/21/2018
Subject: Re: Migration and revision

I too want to stay.

Are you sure abut migrating the Folio images? The rights are returned to the originators, so we may not have authority to do so without permission from them.

Byron

On May 21, 2018, at 9:30 AM, Vicky Young astra2000@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I would like to stay, and although I cannot volunteer to help with the migrations, I will be trying to get some of the missing CC34 data. If anyone else is missing anything from CC34 (I’m aware of what the archives are missing and trying to get ahold of it), please let me know.

Vicky Assarattanakul

On Monday, May 21, 2018, 7:50:50 AM CDT, costumrs costumrs@radiks.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

As I’m sure you know, I’m staying.

Pierre

Those who fail to learn history
Are doomed to repeat it.
Those who fail to learn history correctly–
Why they are simply doomed.

Achem Dro’hm “The Illusion of Historical Fact.”
— CY 4971

——– Original message ——–
From: “Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 5/21/18 7:06 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: “List, Run a CC” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [runacc] Migration and revision

Hey, all!

I did something I haven’t done in nine years: I attended a CC. I’m glad I did, and as of this writing, I have plans to do the same for CC37 next March.

While I was there, I met with Karen, Pierre, Kevin, Andy, Byron and Sharon Sbarsky (CC37), to revise the ConStitution. It’s going to be a major revision (3.0) when we’re done.

The motivation for the change comes from missing archive materials (photos, run lists, and more), and other structural organization issues with the document.

There’s an active editing process underway on Google docs. We worked our way through the entirety of Section 1. When we’ve finished reviewing Section 2 (the Site Selection process) I’ll post a link for review and comment.

But there’s more.

It’s only a matter of time before FatCow, Costume-Con.org’s hosting company, breaks Gallery the same way Gallery broke on the ICG’s site. That knowledge has led to some major changes.

Last summer I moved the bulk of the site’s front end to WordPress. I’m updating the front page and news pages this week, but I wanted you to know what’s coming next before I post this info there.

1. I’m migrating all of the data relating to programs, rules, and details like locations to WordPress, and out of Gallery. When I’m done, you’ll be able to pull up all the overview details, all the rules for SF/F masquerade competitions, and more. I’m not ready to move the photos yet. That’s coming soon.

2. I’m adding Cat Devereaux’s Fashion Folio section from Alley Cat Scratch. This represents a series of printable Fashion Folio figures and assorted other designer resources.

3. I’ve initiated contact with the ICG for attempting to locate the best system or plugin to migrate the photos in Gallery.

4. This Yahoo Group forum has become problematic. I can’t search further back than 2012, and there isn’t a good way to get at the data in the 3k+ messages stored here, which makes this a much less useful communication archive than it was.

I created a subdomain, runacc.costume-con.org, and attempted a second WordPress installation for the purpose of migrating runacc to a blog, but the installation is not working properly on FatCow, and I’m not convinced that turning this resource into a blog is the best choice.

Furthermore, with 36 years’ worth of data, I don’t think I can do this work by myself.

So, I’m asking for help and input.

What I want for RunaCC is something that we can store and host in a single website, rather than continuing to depend on external sites like Yahoo.

Yahoo’s main advantage is “push technology” (sending you messages when they’re posted by others), but there are several people who have that option turned off on Yahoo, and I’m not sure how many members are still paying attention to this list.

As much as it pained me to do it, I removed Marty’s account from the group. There are still 36 members.

It’s been a while since I asked people if they wanted to continue to subscribe here. This seems like a good time to ask again.

If you have suggestions for migrating this forum, I’m all ears. I want to see us off of Yahoo by the end of summer, if not sooner.

Please provide feedback as soon as possible.

I know some of you are tied up with Worldcon and some of you are working with Phil and Ozma on migrating Gallery on the ICG’s site.

We’re collecting the data and photos from this year’s CC to post soon.

Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

If you’re ready to depart from this resource, thanks very much for your input and attention over the last several decades!

More soon,

Betsy

 

Group: runacc Message: 3292 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 5/22/2018
Subject: Re: Migration and revision

Migration just means moving them to a different storage/display container. Like moving them to a different folder on the same site.

It’s possible that they might wind up in WordPress posts within the site, but that’s not my first choice.
B

 

 

On Mon, May 21, 2018, 11:55 PM Byron P Connell byronpconnell@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I too want to stay.

Are you sure abut migrating the Folio images? The rights are returned to the originators, so we may not have authority to do so without permission from them.

Byron

On May 21, 2018, at 9:30 AM, Vicky Young astra2000@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I would like to stay, and although I cannot volunteer to help with the migrations, I will be trying to get some of the missing CC34 data. If anyone else is missing anything from CC34 (I’m aware of what the archives are missing and trying to get ahold of it), please let me know.

Vicky Assarattanakul

On Monday, May 21, 2018, 7:50:50 AM CDT, costumrs costumrs@radiks.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

As I’m sure you know, I’m staying.

Pierre

Those who fail to learn history
Are doomed to repeat it.
Those who fail to learn history correctly–
Why they are simply doomed.

Achem Dro’hm “The Illusion of Historical Fact.”
— CY 4971

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From: “Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 5/21/18 7:06 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: “List, Run a CC” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [runacc] Migration and revision

Hey, all!

I did something I haven’t done in nine years: I attended a CC. I’m glad I did, and as of this writing, I have plans to do the same for CC37 next March.

While I was there, I met with Karen, Pierre, Kevin, Andy, Byron and Sharon Sbarsky (CC37), to revise the ConStitution. It’s going to be a major revision (3.0) when we’re done.

The motivation for the change comes from missing archive materials (photos, run lists, and more), and other structural organization issues with the document.

There’s an active editing process underway on Google docs. We worked our way through the entirety of Section 1. When we’ve finished reviewing Section 2 (the Site Selection process) I’ll post a link for review and comment.

But there’s more.

It’s only a matter of time before FatCow, Costume-Con.org’s hosting company, breaks Gallery the same way Gallery broke on the ICG’s site. That knowledge has led to some major changes.

Last summer I moved the bulk of the site’s front end to WordPress. I’m updating the front page and news pages this week, but I wanted you to know what’s coming next before I post this info there.

1. I’m migrating all of the data relating to programs, rules, and details like locations to WordPress, and out of Gallery. When I’m done, you’ll be able to pull up all the overview details, all the rules for SF/F masquerade competitions, and more. I’m not ready to move the photos yet. That’s coming soon.

2. I’m adding Cat Devereaux’s Fashion Folio section from Alley Cat Scratch. This represents a series of printable Fashion Folio figures and assorted other designer resources.

3. I’ve initiated contact with the ICG for attempting to locate the best system or plugin to migrate the photos in Gallery.

4. This Yahoo Group forum has become problematic. I can’t search further back than 2012, and there isn’t a good way to get at the data in the 3k+ messages stored here, which makes this a much less useful communication archive than it was.

I created a subdomain, runacc.costume-con.org, and attempted a second WordPress installation for the purpose of migrating runacc to a blog, but the installation is not working properly on FatCow, and I’m not convinced that turning this resource into a blog is the best choice.

Furthermore, with 36 years’ worth of data, I don’t think I can do this work by myself.

So, I’m asking for help and input.

What I want for RunaCC is something that we can store and host in a single website, rather than continuing to depend on external sites like Yahoo.

Yahoo’s main advantage is “push technology” (sending you messages when they’re posted by others), but there are several people who have that option turned off on Yahoo, and I’m not sure how many members are still paying attention to this list.

As much as it pained me to do it, I removed Marty’s account from the group. There are still 36 members.

It’s been a while since I asked people if they wanted to continue to subscribe here. This seems like a good time to ask again.

If you have suggestions for migrating this forum, I’m all ears. I want to see us off of Yahoo by the end of summer, if not sooner.

Please provide feedback as soon as possible.

I know some of you are tied up with Worldcon and some of you are working with Phil and Ozma on migrating Gallery on the ICG’s site.

We’re collecting the data and photos from this year’s CC to post soon.

Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

If you’re ready to depart from this resource, thanks very much for your input and attention over the last several decades!

More soon,

Betsy

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Group: runacc Message: 3293 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 5/22/2018
Subject: Here’s where we are so far WRT the ConStitution:

This is the current status of the ConStitution’s editing processes. We’ve got four documents to date:

Original (2.6)

1st Redline
1st Redline (cleared, with all changes accepted) and
2nd Redline.
When editing, please use 2nd Redline from this point forward, to keep the changes easier to track.
Also please note: There’s a to-do list at the bottom of the 2nd Redline, as a reminder for what still needs doing.
I’ve copied Pierre’s suggestions from yesterday into the 2nd Redline, and I’ve set the document so that anyone with the link can view and comment, but can’t edit.
If you want to provide comments, now’s the time. Most of the site selection process was beaten into submission over a period of years, and it’s mostly still good, but it depends on current concoms understanding the steps and making all the parts happen, including badge numbers.
To add a comment: Highlight the text or section in question and click on the small black box with a + to bring up the comment box.
Then write your comments regarding the text and click on Comment.
To add your own comment to someone else’s existing comment, click on Reply in the comment box.
Obviously editing in real time is easier, but this tracks the changes better.
If you have any questions, please let me know!
Thanks!!!
Betsy

Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

Group: runacc Message: 3294 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/22/2018
Subject: Re: Migration and revision

 

 

Well, for the past decade I’ve been helping to post the CC pics to the site as soon as I receive them. I’ve even had to download them from other sites so they could be put on there when the individual CCs didn’t provide the photos.

So if you’d like my continued help with that I’d be glad to – just need the pics.

 

I’d certainly be interested in helping going forward too. As part of the Archive team I like having access to all the CC info even if we don’t post the official photos to the Gallery site (or didn’t when it was active) only fan photos.

I’d need some training on whatever software you end up using but I think I’m trainable.

 

Nora

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 7:07 AM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: [runacc] Migration and revision

Hey, all!

I did something I haven’t done in nine years: I attended a CC. I’m glad I did, and as of this writing, I have plans to do the same for CC37 next March.

While I was there, I met with Karen, Pierre, Kevin, Andy, Byron and Sharon Sbarsky (CC37), to revise the ConStitution. It’s going to be a major revision (3.0) when we’re done.

The motivation for the change comes from missing archive materials (photos, run lists, and more), and other structural organization issues with the document.

There’s an active editing process underway on Google docs. We worked our way through the entirety of Section 1. When we’ve finished reviewing Section 2 (the Site Selection process) I’ll post a link for review and comment.

But there’s more.

It’s only a matter of time before FatCow, Costume-Con.org’s hosting company, breaks Gallery the same way Gallery broke on the ICG’s site. That knowledge has led to some major changes.

Last summer I moved the bulk of the site’s front end to WordPress. I’m updating the front page and news pages this week, but I wanted you to know what’s coming next before I post this info there.

1. I’m migrating all of the data relating to programs, rules, and details like locations to WordPress, and out of Gallery. When I’m done, you’ll be able to pull up all the overview details, all the rules for SF/F masquerade competitions, and more. I’m not ready to move the photos yet. That’s coming soon.

2. I’m adding Cat Devereaux’s Fashion Folio section from Alley Cat Scratch. This represents a series of printable Fashion Folio figures and assorted other designer resources.

3. I’ve initiated contact with the ICG for attempting to locate the best system or plugin to migrate the photos in Gallery.

4. This Yahoo Group forum has become problematic. I can’t search further back than 2012, and there isn’t a good way to get at the data in the 3k+ messages stored here, which makes this a much less useful communication archive than it was.

I created a subdomain, runacc.costume-con.org, and attempted a second WordPress installation for the purpose of migrating runacc to a blog, but the installation is not working properly on FatCow, and I’m not convinced that turning this resource into a blog is the best choice.

Furthermore, with 36 years’ worth of data, I don’t think I can do this work by myself.

So, I’m asking for help and input.

What I want for RunaCC is something that we can store and host in a single website, rather than continuing to depend on external sites like Yahoo.

Yahoo’s main advantage is “push technology” (sending you messages when they’re posted by others), but there are several people who have that option turned off on Yahoo, and I’m not sure how many members are still paying attention to this list.

As much as it pained me to do it, I removed Marty’s account from the group. There are still 36 members.

It’s been a while since I asked people if they wanted to continue to subscribe here. This seems like a good time to ask again.

If you have suggestions for migrating this forum, I’m all ears. I want to see us off of Yahoo by the end of summer, if not sooner.

Please provide feedback as soon as possible.

I know some of you are tied up with Worldcon and some of you are working with Phil and Ozma on migrating Gallery on the ICG’s site.

We’re collecting the data and photos from this year’s CC to post soon.

Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

If you’re ready to depart from this resource, thanks very much for your input and attention over the last several decades!

More soon,

Betsy

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3295 From: Kevin Roche Date: 5/22/2018
Subject: Re: Migration and revision

as we discussed at CC36, I’m still interested. As the person who helped build the Gallery software version, I may be able to write some automation to extract the field data from the gallery database from you — but almost certainly not before worldcon.

Kevin

 

 

On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 3:48 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Well, for the past decade I’ve been helping to post the CC pics to the site as soon as I receive them. I’ve even had to download them from other sites so they could be put on there when the individual CCs didn’t provide the photos.

So if you’d like my continued help with that I’d be glad to – just need the pics.

 

I’d certainly be interested in helping going forward too. As part of the Archive team I like having access to all the CC info even if we don’t post the official photos to the Gallery site (or didn’t when it was active) only fan photos.

I’d need some training on whatever software you end up using but I think I’m trainable.

 

Nora

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com ]
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 7:07 AM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: [runacc] Migration and revision

 

 

Hey, all!

 

I did something I haven’t done in nine years: I attended a CC. I’m glad I did, and as of this writing, I have plans to do the same for CC37 next March.

 

While I was there, I met with Karen, Pierre, Kevin, Andy, Byron and Sharon Sbarsky (CC37), to revise the ConStitution. It’s going to be a major revision (3.0) when we’re done.

 

The motivation for the change comes from missing archive materials (photos, run lists, and more), and other structural organization issues with the document.

 

 

There’s an active editing process underway on Google docs. We worked our way through the entirety of Section 1. When we’ve finished reviewing Section 2 (the Site Selection process) I’ll post a link for review and comment.

 

 

 

But there’s more.

 

It’s only a matter of time before FatCow, Costume-Con.org’s hosting company, breaks Gallery the same way Gallery broke on the ICG’s site. That knowledge has led to some major changes.

 

Last summer I moved the bulk of the site’s front end to WordPress. I’m updating the front page and news pages this week, but I wanted you to know what’s coming next before I post this info there.

 

1. I’m migrating all of the data relating to programs, rules, and details like locations to WordPress, and out of Gallery. When I’m done, you’ll be able to pull up all the overview details, all the rules for SF/F masquerade competitions, and more. I’m not ready to move the photos yet. That’s coming soon.

 

 

2. I’m adding Cat Devereaux’s Fashion Folio section from Alley Cat Scratch. This represents a series of printable Fashion Folio figures and assorted other designer resources.

 

 

3. I’ve initiated contact with the ICG for attempting to locate the best system or plugin to migrate the photos in Gallery.

 

4. This Yahoo Group forum has become problematic. I can’t search further back than 2012, and there isn’t a good way to get at the data in the 3k+ messages stored here, which makes this a much less useful communication archive than it was.

 

I created a subdomain, runacc.costume-con.org, and attempted a second WordPress installation for the purpose of migrating runacc to a blog, but the installation is not working properly on FatCow, and I’m not convinced that turning this resource into a blog is the best choice. 

 

Furthermore, with 36 years’ worth of data, I don’t think I can do this work by myself. 

 

So, I’m asking for help and input.

 

What I want for RunaCC is something that we can store and host in a single website, rather than continuing to depend on external sites like Yahoo.

 

Yahoo’s main advantage is “push technology” (sending you messages when they’re posted by others), but there are several people who have that option turned off on Yahoo, and I’m not sure how many members are still paying attention to this list. 

 

As much as it pained me to do it, I removed Marty’s account from the group. There are still 36 members.

 

It’s been a while since I asked people if they wanted to continue to subscribe here. This seems like a good time to ask again.

 

If you have suggestions for migrating this forum, I’m all ears. I want to see us off of Yahoo by the end of summer, if not sooner.

 

Please provide feedback as soon as possible. 

 

I know some of you are tied up with Worldcon and some of you are working with Phil and Ozma on migrating Gallery on the ICG’s site. 

 

We’re collecting the data and photos from this year’s CC to post soon.

 

Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

 

If you’re ready to depart from this resource, thanks very much for your input and attention over the last several decades!

 

More soon,

 

Betsy 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3296 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 5/22/2018
Subject: Re: Migration and revision

I was counting on both Nora and Kevin to say that, so color me glad for the assistance!

Nora, if you can update the existing CC36 section, I’ll keep working on the ancient stuff. I’ll need someons(s) to review names for memorializing and am contemplating a rolling In Memorium section, so that we can track those of us who are gone, but for now just getting the names updated is enough.
Rebecca is continuing to compile data in Google Docs, and I’ll likely build a single spreadsheet with multiple pages, one per competition, so it’s all in one place.
I haven’t had time to check the program out for photos. I know Eric Cannon shot a complete set of video.
WordPress is relatively easy once you understand how to navigate the Dashboard. The archives are being constructed as posts (blog-style) with type of document (category) and conference (tag), so you can see all the docs for a single conference or all the rules for SF/F. Pulling that data out and making sure that the format is consistent is taking some time, and I’m updating the double dagger to an asterisk for those who are deceased.
I’ll also update the main page of the site and revise the News page to outline what’s happening.
I’m hoping to get all 35 of the previous years’ events extracted by the first weekend of June.
When I’m done, I’ll edit the Gallery pages and remove the big chunks of text.
That should help Kevin with grabbing the data in the custom fields.
Thanks for continuing to work on the site. I wish circumstances hadn’t forced me to step away, but I’m glad not to have to reconstruct 10 years’ worth of data.
I’m back at work tomorrow, and will be starting on CC6.
Betsy

 

 

On Tue, May 22, 2018, 9:55 PM Kevin Roche kevin@twistedimage.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

as we discussed at CC36, I’m still interested. As the person who helped build the Gallery software version, I may be able to write some automation to extract the field data from the gallery database from you — but almost certainly not before worldcon.

Kevin

 

On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 3:48 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Well, for the past decade I’ve been helping to post the CC pics to the site as soon as I receive them. I’ve even had to download them from other sites so they could be put on there when the individual CCs didn’t provide the photos.

So if you’d like my continued help with that I’d be glad to – just need the pics.

 

I’d certainly be interested in helping going forward too. As part of the Archive team I like having access to all the CC info even if we don’t post the official photos to the Gallery site (or didn’t when it was active) only fan photos.

I’d need some training on whatever software you end up using but I think I’m trainable.

 

Nora

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 7:07 AM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: [runacc] Migration and revision

 

 

Hey, all!

 

I did something I haven’t done in nine years: I attended a CC. I’m glad I did, and as of this writing, I have plans to do the same for CC37 next March.

 

While I was there, I met with Karen, Pierre, Kevin, Andy, Byron and Sharon Sbarsky (CC37), to revise the ConStitution. It’s going to be a major revision (3.0) when we’re done.

 

The motivation for the change comes from missing archive materials (photos, run lists, and more), and other structural organization issues with the document.

 

 

There’s an active editing process underway on Google docs. We worked our way through the entirety of Section 1. When we’ve finished reviewing Section 2 (the Site Selection process) I’ll post a link for review and comment.

 

 

 

But there’s more.

 

It’s only a matter of time before FatCow, Costume-Con.org’s hosting company, breaks Gallery the same way Gallery broke on the ICG’s site. That knowledge has led to some major changes.

 

Last summer I moved the bulk of the site’s front end to WordPress. I’m updating the front page and news pages this week, but I wanted you to know what’s coming next before I post this info there.

 

1. I’m migrating all of the data relating to programs, rules, and details like locations to WordPress, and out of Gallery. When I’m done, you’ll be able to pull up all the overview details, all the rules for SF/F masquerade competitions, and more. I’m not ready to move the photos yet. That’s coming soon.

 

 

2. I’m adding Cat Devereaux’s Fashion Folio section from Alley Cat Scratch. This represents a series of printable Fashion Folio figures and assorted other designer resources.

 

 

3. I’ve initiated contact with the ICG for attempting to locate the best system or plugin to migrate the photos in Gallery.

 

4. This Yahoo Group forum has become problematic. I can’t search further back than 2012, and there isn’t a good way to get at the data in the 3k+ messages stored here, which makes this a much less useful communication archive than it was.

 

I created a subdomain, runacc.costume-con.org, and attempted a second WordPress installation for the purpose of migrating runacc to a blog, but the installation is not working properly on FatCow, and I’m not convinced that turning this resource into a blog is the best choice. 

 

Furthermore, with 36 years’ worth of data, I don’t think I can do this work by myself. 

 

So, I’m asking for help and input.

 

What I want for RunaCC is something that we can store and host in a single website, rather than continuing to depend on external sites like Yahoo.

 

Yahoo’s main advantage is “push technology” (sending you messages when they’re posted by others), but there are several people who have that option turned off on Yahoo, and I’m not sure how many members are still paying attention to this list. 

 

As much as it pained me to do it, I removed Marty’s account from the group. There are still 36 members.

 

It’s been a while since I asked people if they wanted to continue to subscribe here. This seems like a good time to ask again.

 

If you have suggestions for migrating this forum, I’m all ears. I want to see us off of Yahoo by the end of summer, if not sooner.

 

Please provide feedback as soon as possible. 

 

I know some of you are tied up with Worldcon and some of you are working with Phil and Ozma on migrating Gallery on the ICG’s site. 

 

We’re collecting the data and photos from this year’s CC to post soon.

 

Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

 

If you’re ready to depart from this resource, thanks very much for your input and attention over the last several decades!

 

More soon,

 

Betsy 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3297 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 5/24/2018
Subject: If you want to get a taste for where I’m heading with the Archives..

Hi, all!

I’ve just finished CC01-06 data extraction and reformatting. Here’s a sample of where we’re heading with the site, as I extract additional data.

http://www.costume-con.org/category/overview/

NOTE that the navigation on the main part of the site doesn’t yet exist, but breadcrumbs are available to follow (clicking either Categories or Tags will help you navigate through the new section of the site).
Tags (Costume-Con XX) and Categories (Overview, Rules, Publications, etc.) will get you through the ones that presently exist. There is no data for anything later than 06, but you can substitute 05 for 04 in any given category and see the data that’s there (unless there is no data, in which case you’ll get an error).
Eventually, the error page will lead to a navigation option to choose a different CC, but first things first.
With all the work distractions, it takes about a day to build each one of these page sets, and I’ve still got 30 to go, so patience is essential. As soon as I’ve got the first 10 done, I’m going to pull the data from the Gallery and make that section live by adding it to the menu on the right of the site’s pages.
Thereafter, I’ll pull the data for each set of 10, until we get to present day.

Whomever will work on the info for CC36: I’ll be grabbing stuff from the CC36 web site to populate the data portion of the site, so if you can just concentrate on putting up the photos for the competitions and get them labeled, that would be swell.

AND
If you have an archived version of your Costume-Con website and you want it archived with us, please zip your files. We can provide a drop point for the files (Dropbox or Google Docs) for uploading to our site. (I can grab a lot of data from raw html files that I’d otherwise have to scan and edit by hand, which at this point shouldn’t be necessary.)

We’ll also take electronic copies of anything you want to throw at us. Karen will need a set of photos from all the cons as well, so if you haven’t already sent them to her, please do. Not all photos get posted online, but all photos should get into the archives.

More soon! I need to strip my kitchen out in prep for demolition next week, and my older child is graduating high school next week (with extra special drama associated with the event), so if I go silent for a bit, you know why.

Thanks, you guys!

Betsy

Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

Group: runacc Message: 3298 From: Byron P Connell Date: 5/24/2018
Subject: Re: Migration and revision

Betsy —

In addition o official photos, do you want fan photos? If you do, do you have my photos from CC3? If you don’t and you want them, they’re available on the Pups’ web site. Go to www.sickpups.org/memories.html and click on CC3. You’re welcome to make use of them, I say as both photographer and Pups’ president.

Byron

On May 22, 2018, at 11:45 PM, Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I was counting on both Nora and Kevin to say that, so color me glad for the assistance!

Nora, if you can update the existing CC36 section, I’ll keep working on the ancient stuff. I’ll need someons(s) to review names for memorializing and am contemplating a rolling In Memorium section, so that we can track those of us who are gone, but for now just getting the names updated is enough.

Rebecca is continuing to compile data in Google Docs, and I’ll likely build a single spreadsheet with multiple pages, one per competition, so it’s all in one place.

I haven’t had time to check the program out for photos. I know Eric Cannon shot a complete set of video.

WordPress is relatively easy once you understand how to navigate the Dashboard. The archives are being constructed as posts (blog-style) with type of document (category) and conference (tag), so you can see all the docs for a single conference or all the rules for SF/F. Pulling that data out and making sure that the format is consistent is taking some time, and I’m updating the double dagger to an asterisk for those who are deceased.

I’ll also update the main page of the site and revise the News page to outline what’s happening.

I’m hoping to get all 35 of the previous years’ events extracted by the first weekend of June.

When I’m done, I’ll edit the Gallery pages and remove the big chunks of text.

That should help Kevin with grabbing the data in the custom fields.

Thanks for continuing to work on the site. I wish circumstances hadn’t forced me to step away, but I’m glad not to have to reconstruct 10 years’ worth of data.

I’m back at work tomorrow, and will be starting on CC6.

Betsy

On Tue, May 22, 2018, 9:55 PM Kevin Roche kevin@twistedimage.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

as we discussed at CC36, I’m still interested. As the person who helped build the Gallery software version, I may be able to write some automation to extract the field data from the gallery database from you — but almost certainly not before worldcon.

Kevin

On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 3:48 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>wrote:

Well, for the past decade I’ve been helping to post the CC pics to the site as soon as I receive them. I’ve even had to download them from other sites so they could be put on there when the individual CCs didn’t provide the photos.

So if you’d like my continued help with that I’d be glad to – just need the pics.

I’d certainly be interested in helping going forward too. As part of the Archive team I like having access to all the CC info even if we don’t post the official photos to the Gallery site (or didn’t when it was active) only fan photos.

I’d need some training on whatever software you end up using but I think I’m trainable.

Nora

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 7:07 AM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: [runacc] Migration and revision

Hey, all!

I did something I haven’t done in nine years: I attended a CC. I’m glad I did, and as of this writing, I have plans to do the same for CC37 next March.

While I was there, I met with Karen, Pierre, Kevin, Andy, Byron and Sharon Sbarsky (CC37), to revise the ConStitution. It’s going to be a major revision (3.0) when we’re done.

The motivation for the change comes from missing archive materials (photos, run lists, and more), and other structural organization issues with the document.

There’s an active editing process underway on Google docs. We worked our way through the entirety of Section 1. When we’ve finished reviewing Section 2 (the Site Selection process) I’ll post a link for review and comment.

But there’s more.

It’s only a matter of time before FatCow, Costume-Con.org’s hosting company, breaks Gallery the same way Gallery broke on the ICG’s site. That knowledge has led to some major changes.

Last summer I moved the bulk of the site’s front end to WordPress. I’m updating the front page and news pages this week, but I wanted you to know what’s coming next before I post this info there.

1. I’m migrating all of the data relating to programs, rules, and details like locations to WordPress, and out of Gallery. When I’m done, you’ll be able to pull up all the overview details, all the rules for SF/F masquerade competitions, and more. I’m not ready to move the photos yet. That’s coming soon.

2. I’m adding Cat Devereaux’s Fashion Folio section from Alley Cat Scratch. This represents a series of printable Fashion Folio figures and assorted other designer resources.

3. I’ve initiated contact with the ICG for attempting to locate the best system or plugin to migrate the photos in Gallery.

4. This Yahoo Group forum has become problematic. I can’t search further back than 2012, and there isn’t a good way to get at the data in the 3k+ messages stored here, which makes this a much less useful communication archive than it was.

I created a subdomain, runacc.costume-con.org, and attempted a second WordPress installation for the purpose of migrating runacc to a blog, but the installation is not working properly on FatCow, and I’m not convinced that turning this resource into a blog is the best choice.

Furthermore, with 36 years’ worth of data, I don’t think I can do this work by myself.

So, I’m asking for help and input.

What I want for RunaCC is something that we can store and host in a single website, rather than continuing to depend on external sites like Yahoo.

Yahoo’s main advantage is “push technology” (sending you messages when they’re posted by others), but there are several people who have that option turned off on Yahoo, and I’m not sure how many members are still paying attention to this list.

As much as it pained me to do it, I removed Marty’s account from the group. There are still 36 members.

It’s been a while since I asked people if they wanted to continue to subscribe here. This seems like a good time to ask again.

If you have suggestions for migrating this forum, I’m all ears. I want to see us off of Yahoo by the end of summer, if not sooner..

Please provide feedback as soon as possible.

I know some of you are tied up with Worldcon and some of you are working with Phil and Ozma on migrating Gallery on the ICG’s site.

We’re collecting the data and photos from this year’s CC to post soon.

Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

If you’re ready to depart from this resource, thanks very much for your input and attention over the last several decades!

More soon,

Betsy

 

Group: runacc Message: 3299 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 5/24/2018
Subject: Re: Migration and revision

Thanks, Byron!

Much appreciated!
Betsy

 

 

On Thu, May 24, 2018, 7:46 PM Byron P Connell byronpconnell@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Betsy —

In addition o official photos, do you want fan photos? If you do, do you have my photos from CC3? If you don’t and you want them, they’re available on the Pups’ web site. Go to www.sickpups.org/memories.html and click on CC3. You’re welcome to make use of them, I say as both photographer and Pups’ president.

Byron

On May 22, 2018, at 11:45 PM, Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I was counting on both Nora and Kevin to say that, so color me glad for the assistance!

Nora, if you can update the existing CC36 section, I’ll keep working on the ancient stuff. I’ll need someons(s) to review names for memorializing and am contemplating a rolling In Memorium section, so that we can track those of us who are gone, but for now just getting the names updated is enough.

Rebecca is continuing to compile data in Google Docs, and I’ll likely build a single spreadsheet with multiple pages, one per competition, so it’s all in one place.

I haven’t had time to check the program out for photos. I know Eric Cannon shot a complete set of video.

WordPress is relatively easy once you understand how to navigate the Dashboard. The archives are being constructed as posts (blog-style) with type of document (category) and conference (tag), so you can see all the docs for a single conference or all the rules for SF/F. Pulling that data out and making sure that the format is consistent is taking some time, and I’m updating the double dagger to an asterisk for those who are deceased.

I’ll also update the main page of the site and revise the News page to outline what’s happening.

I’m hoping to get all 35 of the previous years’ events extracted by the first weekend of June.

When I’m done, I’ll edit the Gallery pages and remove the big chunks of text.

That should help Kevin with grabbing the data in the custom fields.

Thanks for continuing to work on the site. I wish circumstances hadn’t forced me to step away, but I’m glad not to have to reconstruct 10 years’ worth of data.

I’m back at work tomorrow, and will be starting on CC6.

Betsy

On Tue, May 22, 2018, 9:55 PM Kevin Roche kevin@twistedimage.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

as we discussed at CC36, I’m still interested. As the person who helped build the Gallery software version, I may be able to write some automation to extract the field data from the gallery database from you — but almost certainly not before worldcon.

Kevin

On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 3:48 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>wrote:

Well, for the past decade I’ve been helping to post the CC pics to the site as soon as I receive them. I’ve even had to download them from other sites so they could be put on there when the individual CCs didn’t provide the photos.

So if you’d like my continued help with that I’d be glad to – just need the pics.

I’d certainly be interested in helping going forward too. As part of the Archive team I like having access to all the CC info even if we don’t post the official photos to the Gallery site (or didn’t when it was active) only fan photos.

I’d need some training on whatever software you end up using but I think I’m trainable.

Nora

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 7:07 AM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: [runacc] Migration and revision

Hey, all!

I did something I haven’t done in nine years: I attended a CC. I’m glad I did, and as of this writing, I have plans to do the same for CC37 next March..

While I was there, I met with Karen, Pierre, Kevin, Andy, Byron and Sharon Sbarsky (CC37), to revise the ConStitution. It’s going to be a major revision (3.0) when we’re done.

The motivation for the change comes from missing archive materials (photos, run lists, and more), and other structural organization issues with the document.

There’s an active editing process underway on Google docs. We worked our way through the entirety of Section 1. When we’ve finished reviewing Section 2 (the Site Selection process) I’ll post a link for review and comment.

But there’s more.

It’s only a matter of time before FatCow, Costume-Con.org’s hosting company, breaks Gallery the same way Gallery broke on the ICG’s site. That knowledge has led to some major changes.

Last summer I moved the bulk of the site’s front end to WordPress. I’m updating the front page and news pages this week, but I wanted you to know what’s coming next before I post this info there.

1. I’m migrating all of the data relating to programs, rules, and details like locations to WordPress, and out of Gallery. When I’m done, you’ll be able to pull up all the overview details, all the rules for SF/F masquerade competitions, and more. I’m not ready to move the photos yet. That’s coming soon.

2. I’m adding Cat Devereaux’s Fashion Folio section from Alley Cat Scratch. This represents a series of printable Fashion Folio figures and assorted other designer resources.

3. I’ve initiated contact with the ICG for attempting to locate the best system or plugin to migrate the photos in Gallery.

4. This Yahoo Group forum has become problematic. I can’t search further back than 2012, and there isn’t a good way to get at the data in the 3k+ messages stored here, which makes this a much less useful communication archive than it was.

I created a subdomain, runacc.costume-con.org, and attempted a second WordPress installation for the purpose of migrating runacc to a blog, but the installation is not working properly on FatCow, and I’m not convinced that turning this resource into a blog is the best choice.

Furthermore, with 36 years’ worth of data, I don’t think I can do this work by myself.

So, I’m asking for help and input.

What I want for RunaCC is something that we can store and host in a single website, rather than continuing to depend on external sites like Yahoo.

Yahoo’s main advantage is “push technology” (sending you messages when they’re posted by others), but there are several people who have that option turned off on Yahoo, and I’m not sure how many members are still paying attention to this list.

As much as it pained me to do it, I removed Marty’s account from the group. There are still 36 members.

It’s been a while since I asked people if they wanted to continue to subscribe here. This seems like a good time to ask again.

If you have suggestions for migrating this forum, I’m all ears. I want to see us off of Yahoo by the end of summer, if not sooner..

Please provide feedback as soon as possible.

I know some of you are tied up with Worldcon and some of you are working with Phil and Ozma on migrating Gallery on the ICG’s site.

We’re collecting the data and photos from this year’s CC to post soon.

Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

If you’re ready to depart from this resource, thanks very much for your input and attention over the last several decades!

More soon,

Betsy

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Group: runacc Message: 3300 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/24/2018
Subject: Fan Photos (RE: [runacc] Migration and revision)

 

 

Now there’s a good question.  How far does that extend?  I know that early records have had to rely on that, but the ICG has a lot of early fan photos also.   How much of that do you want included in the official records?   If there happen to be any missing views, we may be able to help (once we’re better organized).

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 8:46 PM
To: List, Run a CC
Cc: Byron Connell
Subject: Re: [runacc] Migration and revision

Thanks, Byron!

Much appreciated!

Betsy

On Thu, May 24, 2018, 7:46 PM Byron P Connell byronpconnell@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Betsy —

In addition o official photos, do you want fan photos? If you do, do you have my photos from CC3? If you don’t and you want them, they’re available on the Pups’ web site. Go to www.sickpups.org/memories.html and click on CC3. You’re welcome to make use of them, I say as both photographer and Pups’ president.

Byron

On May 22, 2018, at 11:45 PM, Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I was counting on both Nora and Kevin to say that, so color me glad for the assistance!

Nora, if you can update the existing CC36 section, I’ll keep working on the ancient stuff. I’ll need someons(s) to review names for memorializing and am contemplating a rolling In Memorium section, so that we can track those of us who are gone, but for now just getting the names updated is enough.

Rebecca is continuing to compile data in Google Docs, and I’ll likely build a single spreadsheet with multiple pages, one per competition, so it’s all in one place.

I haven’t had time to check the program out for photos. I know Eric Cannon shot a complete set of video.

WordPress is relatively easy once you understand how to navigate the Dashboard. The archives are being constructed as posts (blog-style) with type of document (category) and conference (tag), so you can see all the docs for a single conference or all the rules for SF/F. Pulling that data out and making sure that the format is consistent is taking some time, and I’m updating the double dagger to an asterisk for those who are deceased.

I’ll also update the main page of the site and revise the News page to outline what’s happening.

I’m hoping to get all 35 of the previous years’ events extracted by the first weekend of June.

When I’m done, I’ll edit the Gallery pages and remove the big chunks of text.

That should help Kevin with grabbing the data in the custom fields.

Thanks for continuing to work on the site. I wish circumstances hadn’t forced me to step away, but I’m glad not to have to reconstruct 10 years’ worth of data.

I’m back at work tomorrow, and will be starting on CC6.

Betsy

On Tue, May 22, 2018, 9:55 PM Kevin Roche kevin@twistedimage.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

as we discussed at CC36, I’m still interested. As the person who helped build the Gallery software version, I may be able to write some automation to extract the field data from the gallery database from you — but almost certainly not before worldcon.

Kevin

On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 3:48 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>wrote:

Well, for the past decade I’ve been helping to post the CC pics to the site as soon as I receive them. I’ve even had to download them from other sites so they could be put on there when the individual CCs didn’t provide the photos.

So if you’d like my continued help with that I’d be glad to – just need the pics.

I’d certainly be interested in helping going forward too. As part of the Archive team I like having access to all the CC info even if we don’t post the official photos to the Gallery site (or didn’t when it was active) only fan photos.

I’d need some training on whatever software you end up using but I think I’m trainable.

Nora

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 7:07 AM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: [runacc] Migration and revision

Hey, all!

I did something I haven’t done in nine years: I attended a CC. I’m glad I did, and as of this writing, I have plans to do the same for CC37 next March..

While I was there, I met with Karen, Pierre, Kevin, Andy, Byron and Sharon Sbarsky (CC37), to revise the ConStitution. It’s going to be a major revision (3.0) when we’re done.

The motivation for the change comes from missing archive materials (photos, run lists, and more), and other structural organization issues with the document.

There’s an active editing process underway on Google docs. We worked our way through the entirety of Section 1. When we’ve finished reviewing Section 2 (the Site Selection process) I’ll post a link for review and comment.

But there’s more.

It’s only a matter of time before FatCow, Costume-Con.org’s hosting company, breaks Gallery the same way Gallery broke on the ICG’s site. That knowledge has led to some major changes.

Last summer I moved the bulk of the site’s front end to WordPress. I’m updating the front page and news pages this week, but I wanted you to know what’s coming next before I post this info there.

1. I’m migrating all of the data relating to programs, rules, and details like locations to WordPress, and out of Gallery. When I’m done, you’ll be able to pull up all the overview details, all the rules for SF/F masquerade competitions, and more. I’m not ready to move the photos yet. That’s coming soon.

2. I’m adding Cat Devereaux’s Fashion Folio section from Alley Cat Scratch. This represents a series of printable Fashion Folio figures and assorted other designer resources.

3. I’ve initiated contact with the ICG for attempting to locate the best system or plugin to migrate the photos in Gallery.

4. This Yahoo Group forum has become problematic. I can’t search further back than 2012, and there isn’t a good way to get at the data in the 3k+ messages stored here, which makes this a much less useful communication archive than it was.

I created a subdomain, runacc.costume-con.org, and attempted a second WordPress installation for the purpose of migrating runacc to a blog, but the installation is not working properly on FatCow, and I’m not convinced that turning this resource into a blog is the best choice.

Furthermore, with 36 years’ worth of data, I don’t think I can do this work by myself.

So, I’m asking for help and input.

What I want for RunaCC is something that we can store and host in a single website, rather than continuing to depend on external sites like Yahoo.

Yahoo’s main advantage is “push technology” (sending you messages when they’re posted by others), but there are several people who have that option turned off on Yahoo, and I’m not sure how many members are still paying attention to this list.

As much as it pained me to do it, I removed Marty’s account from the group. There are still 36 members.

It’s been a while since I asked people if they wanted to continue to subscribe here. This seems like a good time to ask again.

If you have suggestions for migrating this forum, I’m all ears. I want to see us off of Yahoo by the end of summer, if not sooner..

Please provide feedback as soon as possible.

I know some of you are tied up with Worldcon and some of you are working with Phil and Ozma on migrating Gallery on the ICG’s site.

We’re collecting the data and photos from this year’s CC to post soon.

Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

If you’re ready to depart from this resource, thanks very much for your input and attention over the last several decades!

More soon,

Betsy

————————————
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Group: runacc Message: 3301 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 5/25/2018
Subject: Re: Fan Photos (RE: [runacc] Migration and revision)

It’s a very good question.

Back when I launched the site, I intended to put faces (and costumes) to the names, but the cost of storage and time spent identifying people was more than I could handle as long as I was the primary (only) maintainer. Building all those individual pages consumed all my free time for a year at least.
That’s how the fan photos got excluded in the first place.
I’m glad that the ICG picked up the job of archiving them.
That said, there’s a question of permission to post that certainly wasn’t addressed in the early days. Photo releases were and remain a sticky issue, especially with regard to the official photographers.
The reason the photos are such low resolution is that several of the photographers refused to let me post if I made them larger. I had to promise that the results couldn’t replace prints for sale.
The problem now is that with high resolution screens and low resolution printers, there’s a discrepancy between how low resolution can go.
In fact, my motivation for migrating the data was looking at the site on my phone. I realized I couldn’t read or see anything the way Gallery displayed the pages.
The irony that we may have to return to a compiled page, even if it’s not built entirely by hand, just to restore functionality, hasn’t escaped me.
How do fan photos fit into this picture?
WordPress offers an album structure, I believe. Inside the media album structure, there are fields that can be used for caption, description, and other data, but it’s very limited.
I’ve been using WordPress for storing a lot of different documents in PDF format for my personal blog, and for photos, but I haven’t looked at the storage structure for my site.
Bruce, do you have a sense for how many fan photos we’re talking about and how much space the files take up?
Thanks!
Betsy

 

 

On Thu, May 24, 2018, 11:02 PM ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Now there’s a good question.  How far does that extend?  I know that early records have had to rely on that, but the ICG has a lot of early fan photos also.   How much of that do you want included in the official records?   If there happen to be any missing views, we may be able to help (once we’re better organized).

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 8:46 PM
To: List, Run a CC
Cc: Byron Connell
Subject: Re: [runacc] Migration and revision

 

Thanks, Byron!

 

Much appreciated!

 

Betsy

 

On Thu, May 24, 2018, 7:46 PM Byron P Connell byronpconnell@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Betsy —

In addition o official photos, do you want fan photos? If you do, do you have my photos from CC3? If you don’t and you want them, they’re available on the Pups’ web site. Go to www.sickpups.org/memories.html and click on CC3. You’re welcome to make use of them, I say as both photographer and Pups’ president.

Byron

On May 22, 2018, at 11:45 PM, Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I was counting on both Nora and Kevin to say that, so color me glad for the assistance!

Nora, if you can update the existing CC36 section, I’ll keep working on the ancient stuff. I’ll need someons(s) to review names for memorializing and am contemplating a rolling In Memorium section, so that we can track those of us who are gone, but for now just getting the names updated is enough.

Rebecca is continuing to compile data in Google Docs, and I’ll likely build a single spreadsheet with multiple pages, one per competition, so it’s all in one place.

I haven’t had time to check the program out for photos. I know Eric Cannon shot a complete set of video.

WordPress is relatively easy once you understand how to navigate the Dashboard.. The archives are being constructed as posts (blog-style) with type of document (category) and conference (tag), so you can see all the docs for a single conference or all the rules for SF/F. Pulling that data out and making sure that the format is consistent is taking some time, and I’m updating the double dagger to an asterisk for those who are deceased.

I’ll also update the main page of the site and revise the News page to outline what’s happening.

I’m hoping to get all 35 of the previous years’ events extracted by the first weekend of June.

When I’m done, I’ll edit the Gallery pages and remove the big chunks of text.

That should help Kevin with grabbing the data in the custom fields.

Thanks for continuing to work on the site. I wish circumstances hadn’t forced me to step away, but I’m glad not to have to reconstruct 10 years’ worth of data.

I’m back at work tomorrow, and will be starting on CC6.

Betsy

On Tue, May 22, 2018, 9:55 PM Kevin Roche kevin@twistedimage.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

as we discussed at CC36, I’m still interested. As the person who helped build the Gallery software version, I may be able to write some automation to extract the field data from the gallery database from you — but almost certainly not before worldcon.

Kevin

On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 3:48 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>wrote:

Well, for the past decade I’ve been helping to post the CC pics to the site as soon as I receive them. I’ve even had to download them from other sites so they could be put on there when the individual CCs didn’t provide the photos.

So if you’d like my continued help with that I’d be glad to – just need the pics.

I’d certainly be interested in helping going forward too. As part of the Archive team I like having access to all the CC info even if we don’t post the official photos to the Gallery site (or didn’t when it was active) only fan photos.

I’d need some training on whatever software you end up using but I think I’m trainable.

Nora

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 7:07 AM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: [runacc] Migration and revision

Hey, all!

I did something I haven’t done in nine years: I attended a CC. I’m glad I did, and as of this writing, I have plans to do the same for CC37 next March..

While I was there, I met with Karen, Pierre, Kevin, Andy, Byron and Sharon Sbarsky (CC37), to revise the ConStitution. It’s going to be a major revision (3.0) when we’re done.

The motivation for the change comes from missing archive materials (photos, run lists, and more), and other structural organization issues with the document.

There’s an active editing process underway on Google docs. We worked our way through the entirety of Section 1. When we’ve finished reviewing Section 2 (the Site Selection process) I’ll post a link for review and comment.

But there’s more.

It’s only a matter of time before FatCow, Costume-Con.org’s hosting company, breaks Gallery the same way Gallery broke on the ICG’s site. That knowledge has led to some major changes.

Last summer I moved the bulk of the site’s front end to WordPress. I’m updating the front page and news pages this week, but I wanted you to know what’s coming next before I post this info there.

1. I’m migrating all of the data relating to programs, rules, and details like locations to WordPress, and out of Gallery. When I’m done, you’ll be able to pull up all the overview details, all the rules for SF/F masquerade competitions, and more. I’m not ready to move the photos yet. That’s coming soon.

2. I’m adding Cat Devereaux’s Fashion Folio section from Alley Cat Scratch. This represents a series of printable Fashion Folio figures and assorted other designer resources.

3. I’ve initiated contact with the ICG for attempting to locate the best system or plugin to migrate the photos in Gallery.

4. This Yahoo Group forum has become problematic. I can’t search further back than 2012, and there isn’t a good way to get at the data in the 3k+ messages stored here, which makes this a much less useful communication archive than it was.

I created a subdomain, runacc.costume-con.org, and attempted a second WordPress installation for the purpose of migrating runacc to a blog, but the installation is not working properly on FatCow, and I’m not convinced that turning this resource into a blog is the best choice.

Furthermore, with 36 years’ worth of data, I don’t think I can do this work by myself.

So, I’m asking for help and input.

What I want for RunaCC is something that we can store and host in a single website, rather than continuing to depend on external sites like Yahoo.

Yahoo’s main advantage is “push technology” (sending you messages when they’re posted by others), but there are several people who have that option turned off on Yahoo, and I’m not sure how many members are still paying attention to this list.

As much as it pained me to do it, I removed Marty’s account from the group. There are still 36 members.

It’s been a while since I asked people if they wanted to continue to subscribe here. This seems like a good time to ask again.

If you have suggestions for migrating this forum, I’m all ears. I want to see us off of Yahoo by the end of summer, if not sooner..

Please provide feedback as soon as possible.

I know some of you are tied up with Worldcon and some of you are working with Phil and Ozma on migrating Gallery on the ICG’s site.

We’re collecting the data and photos from this year’s CC to post soon.

Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

If you’re ready to depart from this resource, thanks very much for your input and attention over the last several decades!

More soon,

Betsy

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Group: runacc Message: 3302 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/25/2018
Subject: Re: Fan Photos (RE: [runacc] Migration and revision)

 

 

Nora here.

We’ve been acquiring and archiving CC fan photos for as long as we’ve been going to CCs. And including them in the Archives as well. Obviously we pull a lot of fan pics from the STL chapter.

We continue to be interested in any and all fan photos, in many cases it is the only record we have. Particularly of Hall Costumes which generally aren’t included on the CC site because the official photographer often doesn’t take them.

 

And the unofficial Archives & Gallery policy has always been to NOT put the official photos onto the Gallery but keep them in the Archives.

 

As for the CC site – I have included some fan photos in the official record when the official photographer didn’t capture certain events or displays.

For both sites I’ve given as much credit and detail as I have, sometimes that is scant.

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2018 6:07 AM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: Re: Fan Photos (RE: [runacc] Migration and revision)

It’s a very good question.

Back when I launched the site, I intended to put faces (and costumes) to the names, but the cost of storage and time spent identifying people was more than I could handle as long as I was the primary (only) maintainer. Building all those individual pages consumed all my free time for a year at least.

That’s how the fan photos got excluded in the first place.

I’m glad that the ICG picked up the job of archiving them.

That said, there’s a question of permission to post that certainly wasn’t addressed in the early days. Photo releases were and remain a sticky issue, especially with regard to the official photographers.

The reason the photos are such low resolution is that several of the photographers refused to let me post if I made them larger. I had to promise that the results couldn’t replace prints for sale.

The problem now is that with high resolution screens and low resolution printers, there’s a discrepancy between how low resolution can go.

In fact, my motivation for migrating the data was looking at the site on my phone. I realized I couldn’t read or see anything the way Gallery displayed the pages.

The irony that we may have to return to a compiled page, even if it’s not built entirely by hand, just to restore functionality, hasn’t escaped me.

How do fan photos fit into this picture?

WordPress offers an album structure, I believe. Inside the media album structure, there are fields that can be used for caption, description, and other data, but it’s very limited.

I’ve been using WordPress for storing a lot of different documents in PDF format for my personal blog, and for photos, but I haven’t looked at the storage structure for my site.

Bruce, do you have a sense for how many fan photos we’re talking about and how much space the files take up?

Thanks!

Betsy

On Thu, May 24, 2018, 11:02 PM ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Now there’s a good question.  How far does that extend?  I know that early records have had to rely on that, but the ICG has a lot of early fan photos also.   How much of that do you want included in the official records?   If there happen to be any missing views, we may be able to help (once we’re better organized).

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 8:46 PM
To: List, Run a CC
Cc: Byron Connell
Subject: Re: [runacc] Migration and revision

Thanks, Byron!

Much appreciated!

Betsy

On Thu, May 24, 2018, 7:46 PM Byron P Connell byronpconnell@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Betsy —

In addition o official photos, do you want fan photos? If you do, do you have my photos from CC3? If you don’t and you want them, they’re available on the Pups’ web site. Go to www.sickpups.org/memories.html and click on CC3. You’re welcome to make use of them, I say as both photographer and Pups’ president.

Byron

On May 22, 2018, at 11:45 PM, Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I was counting on both Nora and Kevin to say that, so color me glad for the assistance!

Nora, if you can update the existing CC36 section, I’ll keep working on the ancient stuff. I’ll need someons(s) to review names for memorializing and am contemplating a rolling In Memorium section, so that we can track those of us who are gone, but for now just getting the names updated is enough.

Rebecca is continuing to compile data in Google Docs, and I’ll likely build a single spreadsheet with multiple pages, one per competition, so it’s all in one place.

I haven’t had time to check the program out for photos. I know Eric Cannon shot a complete set of video.

WordPress is relatively easy once you understand how to navigate the Dashboard.. The archives are being constructed as posts (blog-style) with type of document (category) and conference (tag), so you can see all the docs for a single conference or all the rules for SF/F. Pulling that data out and making sure that the format is consistent is taking some time, and I’m updating the double dagger to an asterisk for those who are deceased.

I’ll also update the main page of the site and revise the News page to outline what’s happening.

I’m hoping to get all 35 of the previous years’ events extracted by the first weekend of June.

When I’m done, I’ll edit the Gallery pages and remove the big chunks of text.

That should help Kevin with grabbing the data in the custom fields.

Thanks for continuing to work on the site. I wish circumstances hadn’t forced me to step away, but I’m glad not to have to reconstruct 10 years’ worth of data.

I’m back at work tomorrow, and will be starting on CC6.

Betsy

On Tue, May 22, 2018, 9:55 PM Kevin Roche kevin@twistedimage.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

as we discussed at CC36, I’m still interested. As the person who helped build the Gallery software version, I may be able to write some automation to extract the field data from the gallery database from you — but almost certainly not before worldcon.

Kevin

On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 3:48 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>wrote:

Well, for the past decade I’ve been helping to post the CC pics to the site as soon as I receive them. I’ve even had to download them from other sites so they could be put on there when the individual CCs didn’t provide the photos.

So if you’d like my continued help with that I’d be glad to – just need the pics.

I’d certainly be interested in helping going forward too. As part of the Archive team I like having access to all the CC info even if we don’t post the official photos to the Gallery site (or didn’t when it was active) only fan photos.

I’d need some training on whatever software you end up using but I think I’m trainable.

Nora

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 7:07 AM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: [runacc] Migration and revision

Hey, all!

I did something I haven’t done in nine years: I attended a CC. I’m glad I did, and as of this writing, I have plans to do the same for CC37 next March..

While I was there, I met with Karen, Pierre, Kevin, Andy, Byron and Sharon Sbarsky (CC37), to revise the ConStitution. It’s going to be a major revision (3.0) when we’re done.

The motivation for the change comes from missing archive materials (photos, run lists, and more), and other structural organization issues with the document.

There’s an active editing process underway on Google docs. We worked our way through the entirety of Section 1. When we’ve finished reviewing Section 2 (the Site Selection process) I’ll post a link for review and comment.

But there’s more.

It’s only a matter of time before FatCow, Costume-Con.org’s hosting company, breaks Gallery the same way Gallery broke on the ICG’s site. That knowledge has led to some major changes.

Last summer I moved the bulk of the site’s front end to WordPress. I’m updating the front page and news pages this week, but I wanted you to know what’s coming next before I post this info there.

1. I’m migrating all of the data relating to programs, rules, and details like locations to WordPress, and out of Gallery. When I’m done, you’ll be able to pull up all the overview details, all the rules for SF/F masquerade competitions, and more. I’m not ready to move the photos yet. That’s coming soon.

2. I’m adding Cat Devereaux’s Fashion Folio section from Alley Cat Scratch. This represents a series of printable Fashion Folio figures and assorted other designer resources.

3. I’ve initiated contact with the ICG for attempting to locate the best system or plugin to migrate the photos in Gallery.

4. This Yahoo Group forum has become problematic. I can’t search further back than 2012, and there isn’t a good way to get at the data in the 3k+ messages stored here, which makes this a much less useful communication archive than it was.

I created a subdomain, runacc.costume-con.org, and attempted a second WordPress installation for the purpose of migrating runacc to a blog, but the installation is not working properly on FatCow, and I’m not convinced that turning this resource into a blog is the best choice.

Furthermore, with 36 years’ worth of data, I don’t think I can do this work by myself.

So, I’m asking for help and input.

What I want for RunaCC is something that we can store and host in a single website, rather than continuing to depend on external sites like Yahoo.

Yahoo’s main advantage is “push technology” (sending you messages when they’re posted by others), but there are several people who have that option turned off on Yahoo, and I’m not sure how many members are still paying attention to this list.

As much as it pained me to do it, I removed Marty’s account from the group. There are still 36 members.

It’s been a while since I asked people if they wanted to continue to subscribe here. This seems like a good time to ask again.

If you have suggestions for migrating this forum, I’m all ears. I want to see us off of Yahoo by the end of summer, if not sooner..

Please provide feedback as soon as possible.

I know some of you are tied up with Worldcon and some of you are working with Phil and Ozma on migrating Gallery on the ICG’s site.

We’re collecting the data and photos from this year’s CC to post soon.

Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

If you’re ready to depart from this resource, thanks very much for your input and attention over the last several decades!

More soon,

Betsy

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Group: runacc Message: 3303 From: Byron Connell Date: 5/25/2018
Subject: Re: Fan Photos (RE: [runacc] Migration and revision)

 

Betsy —

 

In addition, on the same site the photos for CC 7 and 12 are by Tina, so you have the same authorization from the photographer as well as the chapter president.
Byron

 

 

On May 24, 2018, at 11:02 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Now there’s a good question.  How far does that extend?  I know that early records have had to rely on that, but the ICG has a lot of early fan photos also.   How much of that do you want included in the official records?   If there happen to be any missing views, we may be able to help (once we’re better organized).

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 8:46 PM
To: List, Run a CC
Cc: Byron Connell
Subject: Re: [runacc] Migration and revision




Thanks, Byron!

Much appreciated!

Betsy

On Thu, May 24, 2018, 7:46 PM Byron P Connell byronpconnell@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Betsy —

In addition o official photos, do you want fan photos? If you do, do you have my photos from CC3? If you don’t and you want them, they’re available on the Pups’ web site. Go to www.sickpups..org/memories.html and click on CC3. You’re welcome to make use of them, I say as both photographer and Pups’ president.

Byron


On May 22, 2018, at 11:45 PM, Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


I was counting on both Nora and Kevin to say that, so color me glad for the assistance!

Nora, if you can update the existing CC36 section, I’ll keep working on the ancient stuff. I’ll need someons(s) to review names for memorializing and am contemplating a rolling In Memorium section, so that we can track those of us who are gone, but for now just getting the names updated is enough.

Rebecca is continuing to compile data in Google Docs, and I’ll likely build a single spreadsheet with multiple pages, one per competition, so it’s all in one place.

I haven’t had time to check the program out for photos. I know Eric Cannon shot a complete set of video.

WordPress is relatively easy once you understand how to navigate the Dashboard. The archives are being constructed as posts (blog-style) with type of document (category) and conference (tag), so you can see all the docs for a single conference or all the rules for SF/F. Pulling that data out and making sure that the format is consistent is taking some time, and I’m updating the double dagger to an asterisk for those who are deceased.

I’ll also update the main page of the site and revise the News page to outline what’s happening.

I’m hoping to get all 35 of the previous years’ events extracted by the first weekend of June.

When I’m done, I’ll edit the Gallery pages and remove the big chunks of text.

That should help Kevin with grabbing the data in the custom fields.

Thanks for continuing to work on the site. I wish circumstances hadn’t forced me to step away, but I’m glad not to have to reconstruct 10 years’ worth of data.

I’m back at work tomorrow, and will be starting on CC6.

Betsy

On Tue, May 22, 2018, 9:55 PM Kevin Roche kevin@twistedimage.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


as we discussed at CC36, I’m still interested. As the person who helped build the Gallery software version, I may be able to write some automation to extract the field data from the gallery database from you — but almost certainly not before worldcon.

Kevin

On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 3:48 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>wrote:


Well, for the past decade I’ve been helping to post the CC pics to the site as soon as I receive them. I’ve even had to download them from other sites so they could be put on there when the individual CCs didn’t provide the photos.

So if you’d like my continued help with that I’d be glad to – just need the pics.



I’d certainly be interested in helping going forward too. As part of the Archive team I like having access to all the CC info even if we don’t post the official photos to the Gallery site (or didn’t when it was active) only fan photos.

I’d need some training on whatever software you end up using but I think I’m trainable.



Nora



From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 7:07 AM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: [runacc] Migration and revision







Hey, all!



I did something I haven’t done in nine years: I attended a CC. I’m glad I did, and as of this writing, I have plans to do the same for CC37 next March..



While I was there, I met with Karen, Pierre, Kevin, Andy, Byron and Sharon Sbarsky (CC37), to revise the ConStitution. It’s going to be a major revision (3.0) when we’re done.



The motivation for the change comes from missing archive materials (photos, run lists, and more), and other structural organization issues with the document.



There’s an active editing process underway on Google docs. We worked our way through the entirety of Section 1. When we’ve finished reviewing Section 2 (the Site Selection process) I’ll post a link for review and comment.





But there’s more.



It’s only a matter of time before FatCow, Costume-Con.org‘s hosting company, breaks Gallery the same way Gallery broke on the ICG’s site. That knowledge has led to some major changes.



Last summer I moved the bulk of the site’s front end to WordPress. I’m updating the front page and news pages this week, but I wanted you to know what’s coming next before I post this info there.



1. I’m migrating all of the data relating to programs, rules, and details like locations to WordPress, and out of Gallery. When I’m done, you’ll be able to pull up all the overview details, all the rules for SF/F masquerade competitions, and more. I’m not ready to move the photos yet. That’s coming soon.



2. I’m adding Cat Devereaux’s Fashion Folio section from Alley Cat Scratch. This represents a series of printable Fashion Folio figures and assorted other designer resources.



3. I’ve initiated contact with the ICG for attempting to locate the best system or plugin to migrate the photos in Gallery.



4. This Yahoo Group forum has become problematic. I can’t search further back than 2012, and there isn’t a good way to get at the data in the 3k+ messages stored here, which makes this a much less useful communication archive than it was.



I created a subdomain, runacc.costume-con.org, and attempted a second WordPress installation for the purpose of migrating runacc to a blog, but the installation is not working properly on FatCow, and I’m not convinced that turning this resource into a blog is the best choice. 



Furthermore, with 36 years’ worth of data, I don’t think I can do this work by myself. 



So, I’m asking for help and input.



What I want for RunaCC is something that we can store and host in a single website, rather than continuing to depend on external sites like Yahoo.



Yahoo’s main advantage is “push technology” (sending you messages when they’re posted by others), but there are several people who have that option turned off on Yahoo, and I’m not sure how many members are still paying attention to this list. 



As much as it pained me to do it, I removed Marty’s account from the group. There are still 36 members.



It’s been a while since I asked people if they wanted to continue to subscribe here. This seems like a good time to ask again.



If you have suggestions for migrating this forum, I’m all ears. I want to see us off of Yahoo by the end of summer, if not sooner..



Please provide feedback as soon as possible. 



I know some of you are tied up with Worldcon and some of you are working with Phil and Ozma on migrating Gallery on the ICG’s site. 



We’re collecting the data and photos from this year’s CC to post soon.



Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.



If you’re ready to depart from this resource, thanks very much for your input and attention over the last several decades!



More soon,



Betsy 




















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Messages in runacc group. Page 65 of 67.

Group: runacc Message: 3204 From: Byron Connell Date: 12/12/2016
Subject: Re: Masquerade Halftime Acitivities – Traditions and Expectations
Group: runacc Message: 3205 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 12/12/2016
Subject: Re: Masquerade Halftime Acitivities – Traditions and Expectations
Group: runacc Message: 3206 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 12/12/2016
Subject: Re: Masquerade Halftime Activities – Traditions and Expectations
Group: runacc Message: 3207 From: costumrs Date: 12/13/2016
Subject: Re: Masquerade Halftime Acitivities – Traditions and Expectations
Group: runacc Message: 3208 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 12/13/2016
Subject: Re: Masquerade Halftime Acitivities – Traditions and Expectations
Group: runacc Message: 3209 From: Kevin Roche Date: 12/13/2016
Subject: Re: Masquerade Halftime Acitivities – Traditions and Expectations
Group: runacc Message: 3210 From: ECM Date: 12/13/2016
Subject: Re: Masquerade Halftime Acitivities – Traditions and Expectations
Group: runacc Message: 3211 From: Kaijugal . Date: 12/13/2016
Subject: Re: Masquerade Halftime Acitivities – Post Masquerade Photo Run
Group: runacc Message: 3212 From: Byron Connell Date: 12/13/2016
Subject: Re: Masquerade Halftime Acitivities – Post Masquerade Photo Run
Group: runacc Message: 3213 From: Kaijugal . Date: 12/14/2016
Subject: Re: Masquerade Halftime Acitivities – Post Masquerade Photo Run
Group: runacc Message: 3214 From: casamai Date: 12/18/2016
Subject: Welcoming newcomers – Traditions and Expectations
Group: runacc Message: 3215 From: ma0902432 Date: 12/19/2016
Subject: Re: Welcoming newcomers – Traditions and Expectations
Group: runacc Message: 3216 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 12/19/2016
Subject: Re: Welcoming newcomers – Traditions and Expectations
Group: runacc Message: 3217 From: ECM Date: 12/20/2016
Subject: Re: Welcoming newcomers – Traditions and Expectations
Group: runacc Message: 3218 From: Kaijugal . Date: 12/23/2016
Subject: Re: Welcoming newcomers – Traditions and Expectations
Group: runacc Message: 3219 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 12/23/2016
Subject: Re: Welcoming newcomers – Traditions and Expectations
Group: runacc Message: 3220 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 12/24/2016
Subject: Re: Welcoming newcomers – Traditions and Expectations
Group: runacc Message: 3221 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 12/24/2016
Subject: Re: Welcoming newcomers – Traditions and Expectations
Group: runacc Message: 3222 From: Byron Connell Date: 12/24/2016
Subject: Re: Welcoming newcomers – Traditions and Expectations
Group: runacc Message: 3223 From: spiritof_76 Date: 12/26/2016
Subject: Re: Welcoming newcomers – Traditions and Expectations
Group: runacc Message: 3224 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 12/26/2016
Subject: Re: Welcoming newcomers – Traditions and Expectations
Group: runacc Message: 3225 From: Kaijugal . Date: 12/29/2016
Subject: Re: Welcoming newcomers – Traditions and Expectations
Group: runacc Message: 3226 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 1/2/2017
Subject: Re: Welcoming newcomers – Traditions and Expectations
Group: runacc Message: 3227 From: ECM Date: 1/4/2017
Subject: Re: Welcoming newcomers – Traditions and Expectations
Group: runacc Message: 3228 From: beckieboo817 Date: 1/9/2017
Subject: Single Pattern at CC36
Group: runacc Message: 3229 From: tinathebookworm Date: 1/20/2017
Subject: Sad News!
Group: runacc Message: 3230 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 4/13/2017
Subject: Fwd: Feedback from Costume-ConNections
Group: runacc Message: 3231 From: Byron Connell Date: 4/13/2017
Subject: Re: Feedback from Costume-ConNections
Group: runacc Message: 3232 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/18/2017
Subject: SLCG Costume-Con report coming
Group: runacc Message: 3233 From: casamai Date: 5/21/2017
Subject: SLCG CC35 Report: Before the Con
Group: runacc Message: 3234 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/21/2017
Subject: Re: SLCG CC35 Report: Before the Con – one more thing.
Group: runacc Message: 3235 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 5/22/2017
Subject: Re: SLCG CC35 Report: Before the Con
Group: runacc Message: 3236 From: ma0902432 Date: 5/22/2017
Subject: Re: SLCG CC35 Report: Before the Con – one more thing.
Group: runacc Message: 3237 From: costumrs Date: 5/22/2017
Subject: Re: SLCG CC35 Report: Before the Con – one more thing.
Group: runacc Message: 3238 From: casamai Date: 5/22/2017
Subject: Gibberish with the Report
Group: runacc Message: 3239 From: casamai Date: 5/22/2017
Subject: SLCG CC35 Report: Before the Con
Group: runacc Message: 3240 From: casamai Date: 5/22/2017
Subject: SLCG CC35 Report – The Hotel
Group: runacc Message: 3241 From: casamai Date: 5/22/2017
Subject: SLCG CC35 Report – The Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 3242 From: casamai Date: 5/23/2017
Subject: SLCG CC35 Report – Registration
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Group: runacc Message: 3204 From: Byron Connell Date: 12/12/2016
Subject: Re: Masquerade Halftime Acitivities – Traditions and Expectations

 

I believe the on-stage fan photo run is a fairly recent tradition. Formerly, many CCs followed the SF con tradition of a separate “fan photography” area to which entrants were led after they finished their presentations. The on-stage run seems to have originated in the midwest. The older tradition held sway on both coasts until some of us learned what the Midwesterners were doing and liked it. Today, the on-stage fan photo opportunity seems to have become the established tradition, supplanting the old fan photo area. A major disadvantage of the separate fan photo area was that it was separate. That meant extra work for the entrants and meant that photographers had to chose between seeing the show or taking photos. An extra benefit of the on-stage run is that it provided another way to try to retain the audience at half time.

 

Byron

 

On Dec 12, 2016, at 12:08 AM, axejudge@accessus.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

I know we’ve been through the Hospitality Suite stuff, but this is because of the last comment of this post.  For the sake of the competitors, I would say to not open the con suite until after the awards are announced.  It has happened that the sponsors opened the suite before the awards, and all the special treats were long gone before the entrants could get up there.  Since they are major contributors to the entertainment of the con, they should get some consideration.

Karen

On 2016-12-11 21:21, casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] wrote:

 

There have been variations in what happens after the two major masquerades conclude and the judges are deliberating.   They’re more or less in this order:
  1. Fan Photos – Since there’s no flash photography during the shows, this is the opportunity for the audience members to come up to the front of the stage and get close up shots of each contestant and the details of the costumes.    (Side note for the MD/Stage Manager: for the best traffic flow, there should be two or three points across the stage designated where the costumers should be directed to stand in sequence so that all the photographers spread the along front have a good angle to take their pictures).

  2.  Archives Road Show Features – this is a relatively recent addition introduced at CC27.   It started with a tribute to artists who passed away up to that point in time, ala Academy Awards.   Over the next two years, the video block expanded to themed features showcasing video footage from masquerades from the past 30+ years.  While it is not a mandated event, I always ask MDs if they would like to have Archives material played during the halftime.   So it’s sort of a tradition now.   But I never assume.

  3. Presentation of the ICG Lifetime Achievement Award during the SF halftime.   I believe time for this has always been requested – it is not mandated in the Constitution.   Current president Philip Gust has called for all the attending LAA recipients to step on stage before the current year’s award is announced.   This has been an informal tradition since CC30.

  4. Other Awards – The ICG President’s Award, the Founders Award (given by the CC service mark holder), are usually announced during the SF halftime.   During the Historical halftime, the Doll Contest, any auxiliary contests and the site selection balloting is announced. 

  5. Chapter Awards – Depending upon the MD, the first costume awards are from ICG chapters.   A while back, one of the MDs wisely instructed the chapter reps to keep their introductions brief – others have even limited the number of chapters who can present awards, just to keep things moving along.   The MD is NOT required to allow chapters to present.
There have been other activities during halftime (entertainment, other announcements, etc.), but the main point has been to keep the audience in their seats so that they don’t wander off or storm Hospitality before the masquerade awards have been announced.

 

(I have no idea why the font size changed on item #1, but since I copied and pasted in from a Word doc, who knows?)

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3205 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 12/12/2016
Subject: Re: Masquerade Halftime Acitivities – Traditions and Expectations

It’s very particularly an Archon thing. When I was living in the midwest, the half-time re-walk was unheard of.

 

On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 3:15 PM Byron Connell byronpconnell@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



I believe the on-stage fan photo run is a fairly recent tradition. Formerly, many CCs followed the SF con tradition of a separate “fan photography” area to which entrants were led after they finished their presentations. The on-stage run seems to have originated in the midwest. The older tradition held sway on both coasts until some of us learned what the Midwesterners were doing and liked it. Today, the on-stage fan photo opportunity seems to have become the established tradition, supplanting the old fan photo area. A major disadvantage of the separate fan photo area was that it was separate. That meant extra work for the entrants and meant that photographers had to chose between seeing the show or taking photos. An extra benefit of the on-stage run is that it provided another way to try to retain the audience at half time.

Byron

 

On Dec 12, 2016, at 12:08 AM, axejudge@accessus.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I know we’ve been through the Hospitality Suite stuff, but this is because of the last comment of this post.  For the sake of the competitors, I would say to not open the con suite until after the awards are announced.  It has happened that the sponsors opened the suite before the awards, and all the special treats were long gone before the entrants could get up there.  Since they are major contributors to the entertainment of the con, they should get some consideration.

Karen

On 2016-12-11 21:21, casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] wrote:

 

There have been variations in what happens after the two major masquerades conclude and the judges are deliberating.   They’re more or less in this order:
  1. Fan Photos – Since there’s no flash photography during the shows, this is the opportunity for the audience members to come up to the front of the stage and get close up shots of each contestant and the details of the costumes.    (Side note for the MD/Stage Manager: for the best traffic flow, there should be two or three points across the stage designated where the costumers should be directed to stand in sequence so that all the photographers spread the along front have a good angle to take their pictures).

  2.  Archives Road Show Features – this is a relatively recent addition introduced at CC27.   It started with a tribute to artists who passed away up to that point in time, ala Academy Awards.   Over the next two years, the video block expanded to themed features showcasing video footage from masquerades from the past 30+ years.  While it is not a mandated event, I always ask MDs if they would like to have Archives material played during the halftime.   So it’s sort of a tradition now.   But I never assume.

  3. Presentation of the ICG Lifetime Achievement Award during the SF halftime.   I believe time for this has always been requested – it is not mandated in the Constitution.   Current president Philip Gust has called for all the attending LAA recipients to step on stage before the current year’s award is announced.   This has been an informal tradition since CC30.

  4. Other Awards – The ICG President’s Award, the Founders Award (given by the CC service mark holder), are usually announced during the SF halftime.   During the Historical halftime, the Doll Contest, any auxiliary contests and the site selection balloting is announced. 

  5. Chapter Awards – Depending upon the MD, the first costume awards are from ICG chapters.   A while back, one of the MDs wisely instructed the chapter reps to keep their introductions brief – others have even limited the number of chapters who can present awards, just to keep things moving along.   The MD is NOT required to allow chapters to present.
There have been other activities during halftime (entertainment, other announcements, etc.), but the main point has been to keep the audience in their seats so that they don’t wander off or storm Hospitality before the masquerade awards have been announced.

 

(I have no idea why the font size changed on item #1, but since I copied and pasted in from a Word doc, who knows?)

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3206 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 12/12/2016
Subject: Re: Masquerade Halftime Activities – Traditions and Expectations

 

 

I believe you are right that it may have originated here in the Midwest – I’d have to go back through the video records.    Archon has been doing this for over 20 years, that I can think of.    I want to say we didn’t do it at CC16, but we did do it for CC25.   Henry or Andy can probably recall whether there were fan photo ops for CC21, but I’m thinking there weren’t.  Costume-Con 22 might have been the first, or it may have been as late as CC24 (Des Moines.)

 

We do remember seeing video of some CCs where the audience was brought up on stage to show off their hall costumes.   This hasn’t been done in many years, however.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 5:15 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Masquerade Halftime Acitivities – Traditions and Expectations

I believe the on-stage fan photo run is a fairly recent tradition. Formerly, many CCs followed the SF con tradition of a separate “fan photography” area to which entrants were led after they finished their presentations. The on-stage run seems to have originated in the midwest. The older tradition held sway on both coasts until some of us learned what the Midwesterners were doing and liked it. Today, the on-stage fan photo opportunity seems to have become the established tradition, supplanting the old fan photo area. A major disadvantage of the separate fan photo area was that it was separate. That meant extra work for the entrants and meant that photographers had to chose between seeing the show or taking photos. An extra benefit of the on-stage run is that it provided another way to try to retain the audience at half time.

Byron

On Dec 12, 2016, at 12:08 AM, axejudge@accessus.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

There have been variations in what happens after the two major masquerades conclude and the judges are deliberating.   They’re more or less in this order:

 

  1. Fan Photos – Since there’s no flash photography during the shows, this is the opportunity for the audience members to come up to the front of the stage and get close up shots of each contestant and the details of the costumes.    (Side note for the MD/Stage Manager: for the best traffic flow, there should be two or three points across the stage designated where the costumers should be directed to stand in sequence so that all the photographers spread the along front have a good angle to take their pictures).
  1.  Archives Road Show Features – this is a relatively recent addition introduced at CC27.   It started with a tribute to artists who passed away up to that point in time, ala Academy Awards.   Over the next two years, the video block expanded to themed features showcasing video footage from masquerades from the past 30+ years.  While it is not a mandated event, I always ask MDs if they would like to have Archives material played during the halftime.   So it’s sort of a tradition now.   But I never assume.
  1. Presentation of the ICG Lifetime Achievement Award during the SF halftime.   I believe time for this has always been requested – it is not mandated in the Constitution.   Current president Philip Gust has called for all the attending LAA recipients to step on stage before the current year’s award is announced.   This has been an informal tradition since CC30.
  1. Other Awards – The ICG President’s Award, the Founders Award (given by the CC service mark holder), are usually announced during the SF halftime.   During the Historical halftime, the Doll Contest, any auxiliary contests and the site selection balloting is announced. 
  1. Chapter Awards – Depending upon the MD, the first costume awards are from ICG chapters.   A while back, one of the MDs wisely instructed the chapter reps to keep their introductions brief – others have even limited the number of chapters who can present awards, just to keep things moving along.   The MD is NOT required to allow chapters to present.

 

There have been other activities during halftime (entertainment, other announcements, etc.), but the main point has been to keep the audience in their seats so that they don’t wander off or storm Hospitality before the masquerade awards have been announced.

 

(I have no idea why the font size changed on item #1, but since I copied and pasted in from a Word doc, who knows?)

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3207 From: costumrs Date: 12/13/2016
Subject: Re: Masquerade Halftime Acitivities – Traditions and Expectations

 

If you’re doing the on-stage photo run, draft someone to be “traffic control” for each spot. They can make sure everyone has their shot and cue the movement between spots .
Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
——– Original message ——–
From: “Andrew Trembley attrembl@bovil.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 12/12/16 8:19 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Masquerade Halftime Acitivities – Traditions and Expectations

 

It’s very particularly an Archon thing. When I was living in the midwest, the half-time re-walk was unheard of.

 

On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 3:15 PM Byron Connell byronpconnell@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



I believe the on-stage fan photo run is a fairly recent tradition. Formerly, many CCs followed the SF con tradition of a separate “fan photography” area to which entrants were led after they finished their presentations. The on-stage run seems to have originated in the midwest. The older tradition held sway on both coasts until some of us learned what the Midwesterners were doing and liked it. Today, the on-stage fan photo opportunity seems to have become the established tradition, supplanting the old fan photo area. A major disadvantage of the separate fan photo area was that it was separate. That meant extra work for the entrants and meant that photographers had to chose between seeing the show or taking photos. An extra benefit of the on-stage run is that it provided another way to try to retain the audience at half time.

Byron

 

On Dec 12, 2016, at 12:08 AM, axejudge@accessus.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I know we’ve been through the Hospitality Suite stuff, but this is because of the last comment of this post.  For the sake of the competitors, I would say to not open the con suite until after the awards are announced.  It has happened that the sponsors opened the suite before the awards, and all the special treats were long gone before the entrants could get up there.  Since they are major contributors to the entertainment of the con, they should get some consideration.

Karen

On 2016-12-11 21:21, casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] wrote:

 

There have been variations in what happens after the two major masquerades conclude and the judges are deliberating.   They’re more or less in this order:
  1. Fan Photos – Since there’s no flash photography during the shows, this is the opportunity for the audience members to come up to the front of the stage and get close up shots of each contestant and the details of the costumes.    (Side note for the MD/Stage Manager: for the best traffic flow, there should be two or three points across the stage designated where the costumers should be directed to stand in sequence so that all the photographers spread the along front have a good angle to take their pictures).

  2.  Archives Road Show Features – this is a relatively recent addition introduced at CC27.   It started with a tribute to artists who passed away up to that point in time, ala Academy Awards.   Over the next two years, the video block expanded to themed features showcasing video footage from masquerades from the past 30+ years.  While it is not a mandated event, I always ask MDs if they would like to have Archives material played during the halftime.   So it’s sort of a tradition now.   But I never assume.

  3. Presentation of the ICG Lifetime Achievement Award during the SF halftime.   I believe time for this has always been requested – it is not mandated in the Constitution.   Current president Philip Gust has called for all the attending LAA recipients to step on stage before the current year’s award is announced.   This has been an informal tradition since CC30.

  4. Other Awards – The ICG President’s Award, the Founders Award (given by the CC service mark holder), are usually announced during the SF halftime.   During the Historical halftime, the Doll Contest, any auxiliary contests and the site selection balloting is announced. 

  5. Chapter Awards – Depending upon the MD, the first costume awards are from ICG chapters.   A while back, one of the MDs wisely instructed the chapter reps to keep their introductions brief – others have even limited the number of chapters who can present awards, just to keep things moving along.   The MD is NOT required to allow chapters to present.
There have been other activities during halftime (entertainment, other announcements, etc.), but the main point has been to keep the audience in their seats so that they don’t wander off or storm Hospitality before the masquerade awards have been announced.

 

(I have no idea why the font size changed on item #1, but since I copied and pasted in from a Word doc, who knows?)

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3208 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 12/13/2016
Subject: Re: Masquerade Halftime Acitivities – Traditions and Expectations

 

 

Steward Hartman has been unofficially handling this for years. Do we need to make him a tradition too? 🙂

 

Nora

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 9:48 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Masquerade Halftime Acitivities – Traditions and Expectations

If you’re doing the on-stage photo run, draft someone to be “traffic control” for each spot. They can make sure everyone has their shot and cue the movement between spots .

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

——– Original message ——–

From: “Andrew Trembley attrembl@bovil.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>

Date: 12/12/16 8:19 PM (GMT-06:00)

Subject: Re: [runacc] Masquerade Halftime Acitivities – Traditions and Expectations

 

It’s very particularly an Archon thing. When I was living in the midwest, the half-time re-walk was unheard of.

On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 3:15 PM Byron Connell byronpconnell@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I believe the on-stage fan photo run is a fairly recent tradition. Formerly, many CCs followed the SF con tradition of a separate “fan photography” area to which entrants were led after they finished their presentations. The on-stage run seems to have originated in the midwest. The older tradition held sway on both coasts until some of us learned what the Midwesterners were doing and liked it. Today, the on-stage fan photo opportunity seems to have become the established tradition, supplanting the old fan photo area. A major disadvantage of the separate fan photo area was that it was separate. That meant extra work for the entrants and meant that photographers had to chose between seeing the show or taking photos. An extra benefit of the on-stage run is that it provided another way to try to retain the audience at half time.

Byron

On Dec 12, 2016, at 12:08 AM, axejudge@accessus.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I know we’ve been through the Hospitality Suite stuff, but this is because of the last comment of this post.  For the sake of the competitors, I would say to not open the con suite until after the awards are announced.  It has happened that the sponsors opened the suite before the awards, and all the special treats were long gone before the entrants could get up there.  Since they are major contributors to the entertainment of the con, they should get some consideration.

Karen

 

 

On 2016-12-11 21:21, casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] wrote:

 

 

 

 

There have been variations in what happens after the two major masquerades conclude and the judges are deliberating.   They’re more or less in this order:

 

  1. Fan Photos – Since there’s no flash photography during the shows, this is the opportunity for the audience members to come up to the front of the stage and get close up shots of each contestant and the details of the costumes.    (Side note for the MD/Stage Manager: for the best traffic flow, there should be two or three points across the stage designated where the costumers should be directed to stand in sequence so that all the photographers spread the along front have a good angle to take their pictures).
  1.  Archives Road Show Features – this is a relatively recent addition introduced at CC27.   It started with a tribute to artists who passed away up to that point in time, ala Academy Awards.   Over the next two years, the video block expanded to themed features showcasing video footage from masquerades from the past 30+ years.  While it is not a mandated event, I always ask MDs if they would like to have Archives material played during the halftime.   So it’s sort of a tradition now.   But I never assume.
  1. Presentation of the ICG Lifetime Achievement Award during the SF halftime.   I believe time for this has always been requested – it is not mandated in the Constitution.   Current president Philip Gust has called for all the attending LAA recipients to step on stage before the current year’s award is announced.   This has been an informal tradition since CC30.
  1. Other Awards – The ICG President’s Award, the Founders Award (given by the CC service mark holder), are usually announced during the SF halftime.   During the Historical halftime, the Doll Contest, any auxiliary contests and the site selection balloting is announced. 
  1. Chapter Awards – Depending upon the MD, the first costume awards are from ICG chapters.   A while back, one of the MDs wisely instructed the chapter reps to keep their introductions brief – others have even limited the number of chapters who can present awards, just to keep things moving along.   The MD is NOT required to allow chapters to present.

 

There have been other activities during halftime (entertainment, other announcements, etc.), but the main point has been to keep the audience in their seats so that they don’t wander off or storm Hospitality before the masquerade awards have been announced.

 

(I have no idea why the font size changed on item #1, but since I copied and pasted in from a Word doc, who knows?)

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3209 From: Kevin Roche Date: 12/13/2016
Subject: Re: Masquerade Halftime Acitivities – Traditions and Expectations

(Personal opinion here, so there are buckets of “I”s in this repost. I’m well aware)

I personally don’t care for the on-stage photo scrum.
I find the level of chaos inherent within it distracting and annoying, and as a costumer I’m far less happy with the lighting and framing of the shots shot upward from in front of the stage.

I prefer a more organized interval act; I do, however, understand the limitations of trying to place a fan photo area with proper lighting and background, so I mostly just suck it up and wait for it to end.

Kevin

 

 

On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 4:46 AM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Steward Hartman has been unofficially handling this for years. Do we need to make him a tradition too? 🙂

 

Nora

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com ]
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 9:48 PM

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Masquerade Halftime Acitivities – Traditions and Expectations

 

If you’re doing the on-stage photo run, draft someone to be “traffic control” for each spot. They can make sure everyone has their shot and cue the movement between spots . 

 

 

 

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

 

——– Original message ——–

From: “Andrew Trembley attrembl@bovil.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>

Date: 12/12/16 8:19 PM (GMT-06:00)

Subject: Re: [runacc] Masquerade Halftime Acitivities – Traditions and Expectations

 

 

It’s very particularly an Archon thing. When I was living in the midwest, the half-time re-walk was unheard of.

On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 3:15 PM Byron Connell byronpconnell@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I believe the on-stage fan photo run is a fairly recent tradition. Formerly, many CCs followed the SF con tradition of a separate “fan photography” area to which entrants were led after they finished their presentations. The on-stage run seems to have originated in the midwest. The older tradition held sway on both coasts until some of us learned what the Midwesterners were doing and liked it. Today, the on-stage fan photo opportunity seems to have become the established tradition, supplanting the old fan photo area. A major disadvantage of the separate fan photo area was that it was separate. That meant extra work for the entrants and meant that photographers had to chose between seeing the show or taking photos. An extra benefit of the on-stage run is that it provided another way to try to retain the audience at half time.

 

Byron

 

 

On Dec 12, 2016, at 12:08 AM, axejudge@accessus.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

I know we’ve been through the Hospitality Suite stuff, but this is because of the last comment of this post.  For the sake of the competitors, I would say to not open the con suite until after the awards are announced.  It has happened that the sponsors opened the suite before the awards, and all the special treats were long gone before the entrants could get up there.  Since they are major contributors to the entertainment of the con, they should get some consideration.

Karen

 

 

On 2016-12-11 21:21, casamai@sbcglobal.net [ runacc] wrote:

 

 

 

 

There have been variations in what happens after the two major masquerades conclude and the judges are deliberating.   They’re more or less in this order:

 

  1. Fan Photos – Since there’s no flash photography during the shows, this is the opportunity for the audience members to come up to the front of the stage and get close up shots of each contestant and the details of the costumes.    (Side note for the MD/Stage Manager: for the best traffic flow, there should be two or three points across the stage designated where the costumers should be directed to stand in sequence so that all the photographers spread the along front have a good angle to take their pictures).
  1.  Archives Road Show Features – this is a relatively recent addition introduced at CC27.   It started with a tribute to artists who passed away up to that point in time, ala Academy Awards.   Over the next two years, the video block expanded to themed features showcasing video footage from masquerades from the past 30+ years.  While it is not a mandated event, I always ask MDs if they would like to have Archives material played during the halftime.   So it’s sort of a tradition now.   But I never assume.
  1. Presentation of the ICG Lifetime Achievement Award during the SF halftime.   I believe time for this has always been requested – it is not mandated in the Constitution.   Current president Philip Gust has called for all the attending LAA recipients to step on stage before the current year’s award is announced.   This has been an informal tradition since CC30.
  1. Other Awards – The ICG President’s Award, the Founders Award (given by the CC service mark holder), are usually announced during the SF halftime.   During the Historical halftime, the Doll Contest, any auxiliary contests and the site selection balloting is announced. 
  1. Chapter Awards – Depending upon the MD, the first costume awards are from ICG chapters.   A while back, one of the MDs wisely instructed the chapter reps to keep their introductions brief – others have even limited the number of chapters who can present awards, just to keep things moving along.   The MD is NOT required to allow chapters to present.

 

There have been other activities during halftime (entertainment, other announcements, etc.), but the main point has been to keep the audience in their seats so that they don’t wander off or storm Hospitality before the masquerade awards have been announced.

 

(I have no idea why the font size changed on item #1, but since I copied and pasted in from a Word doc, who knows?)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3210 From: ECM Date: 12/13/2016
Subject: Re: Masquerade Halftime Acitivities – Traditions and Expectations

 

 

I agree.  And very few people look great when photos show their nostrils so clearly.

 

Elaine


 

(Personal opinion here, so there are buckets of “I”s in this repost. I’m well aware)

I personally don’t care for the on-stage photo scrum.
I find the level of chaos inherent within it distracting and annoying, and as a costumer I’m far less happy with the lighting and framing of the shots shot upward from in front of the stage.

I prefer a more organized interval act; I do, however, understand the limitations of trying to place a fan photo area with proper lighting and background, so I mostly just suck it up and wait for it to end.

Kevin

 

On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 4:46 AM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’
casamai@sbcglobal.net
[runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

Steward Hartman has been unofficially handling this for years. Do we need to make him a tradition too? 🙂

 

Nora

 

From:
runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com ]

Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 9:48 PM

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Masquerade Halftime Acitivities – Traditions and Expectations

 

If you’re doing the on-stage photo run, draft someone to be “traffic control” for each spot. They can make sure everyone has their shot and cue the movement between spots . 

 

 

 

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From: “Andrew Trembley
attrembl@bovil.com
[runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>

Date: 12/12/16 8:19 PM (GMT-06:00)

Subject: Re: [runacc] Masquerade Halftime Acitivities – Traditions and Expectations

 

 

It’s very particularly an Archon thing. When I was living in the midwest, the half-time re-walk was unheard of.

On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 3:15 PM Byron Connell
byronpconnell@gmail.com
[runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I believe the on-stage fan photo run is a fairly recent tradition. Formerly, many CCs followed the SF con tradition of a separate “fan photography” area to which entrants were led after they finished their presentations. The on-stage run seems to have originated
in the midwest. The older tradition held sway on both coasts until some of us learned what the Midwesterners were doing and liked it. Today, the on-stage fan photo opportunity seems to have become the established tradition, supplanting the old fan photo area.
A major disadvantage of the separate fan photo area was that it was separate. That meant extra work for the entrants and meant that photographers had to chose between seeing the show or taking photos. An extra benefit of the on-stage run is that it provided
another way to try to retain the audience at half time.

 

Byron

 

 

On Dec 12, 2016, at 12:08 AM,
axejudge@accessus.net
[runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

I know we’ve been through the Hospitality Suite stuff, but this is because of the last comment of this post.  For the sake of the competitors, I would say to not open the con suite until after the
awards are announced.  It has happened that the sponsors opened the suite before the awards, and all the special treats were long gone before the entrants could get up there.  Since they are major contributors to the entertainment of the con, they should get
some consideration.

Karen

 

 

On 2016-12-11 21:21, casamai@sbcglobal.net [ runacc]
wrote:

 

 

 

 

There have been variations in what happens after the two major masquerades conclude and the judges are deliberating.   They’re
more or less in this order:

 

  1. Fan Photos – Since there’s no flash photography during the shows, this is the opportunity for the audience members
    to come up to the front of the stage and get close up shots of each contestant and the details of the costumes.   
     (Side
    note for the MD/Stage Manager: for the best traffic flow, there should be two or three points across the stage designated where the costumers should be directed to stand in sequence so that all the photographers spread the along front have a good angle to
    take their pictures).
  1.  Archives Road Show Features – this is a relatively recent addition introduced at CC27.   It
    started with a tribute to artists who passed away up to that point in time, ala Academy Awards.  
     Over
    the next two years, the video block expanded to themed features showcasing video footage from masquerades from the past 30+ years. 
     While
    it is not a mandated event, I always ask MDs if they would like to have Archives material played during the halftime.  
     So
    it’s sort of a tradition now.  
     But
    I never assume.
  1. Presentation of the ICG Lifetime Achievement Award during the SF halftime.   I
    believe time for this has always been requested – it is not mandated in the Constitution.  
     Current
    president Philip Gust has called for all the attending LAA recipients to step on stage before the current year’s award is announced.  
     This
    has been an informal tradition since CC30.
  1. Other Awards – The ICG President’s Award, the Founders Award (given by the CC service mark holder), are usually announced
    during the SF halftime.  
     During
    the Historical halftime, the Doll Contest, any auxiliary
     contests
    and the site selection balloting is announced.
     
  1. Chapter Awards – Depending upon the MD, the first costume awards are from ICG chapters.   A
    while back, one of the MDs wisely instructed the chapter reps to keep their introductions brief – others have even limited the number of chapters who can present awards, just to keep things moving along. 
      The
    MD is NOT required to allow chapters to present.

 

There have been other activities during halftime (entertainment, other announcements, etc.), but the main point has been to keep the audience in their seats so that they don’t wander off
or storm Hospitality before the masquerade awards have been announced.

 

(I have no idea why the font size changed on item #1, but since I copied and pasted in from a Word doc, who knows?)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3211 From: Kaijugal . Date: 12/13/2016
Subject: Re: Masquerade Halftime Acitivities – Post Masquerade Photo Run

 

For larger Costume-Cons, and cons in general, I feel that the onstage photo run makes the most sense just due to space restrictions. The alternative of having no fan photos is not an option in my mind.

For smaller Costume-Cons a more traditional, well lit, floor level, fan-photo area(s)* are more to my personal taste.

* (a Toronto-Trek we use to have several areas all in a row that costumers costumers could rotate through stretched along a hallway so photographers could spread out and everyone could get nice photos of all the costumes).

 

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3212 From: Byron Connell Date: 12/13/2016
Subject: Re: Masquerade Halftime Acitivities – Post Masquerade Photo Run

 

What did you do at CC 32? I don’t remember.

 

Byron

 

 

On Dec 13, 2016, at 6:41 PM, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 


For larger Costume-Cons, and cons in general, I feel that the onstage photo run makes the most sense just due to space restrictions. The alternative of having no fan photos is not an option in my mind.

For smaller Costume-Cons a more traditional, well lit, floor level, fan-photo area(s)* are more to my personal taste.


* (a Toronto-Trek we use to have several areas all in a row that costumers costumers could rotate through stretched along a hallway so photographers could spread out and everyone could get nice photos of all the costumes).

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3213 From: Kaijugal . Date: 12/14/2016
Subject: Re: Masquerade Halftime Acitivities – Post Masquerade Photo Run

 

 

We had to do the photo run on the stage. When we saw how big the convention was going to be, we realized there wouldn’t be space for anything else or a way to co-ordinate anything else with our limited staff numbers in proportion to the attendees and contestants.
We already knew that the west pre-function area would be curtained off for flex space between the greenroom and workmanship/photo spaces, (which ultimately became extra den room last minute when the con attendance and masquerade participation grew far beyond
our projections).

If we had known sooner than the Friday of the convention that the Kimono exhibit would have to pull out, we might have arranged to have photo backdrops put in the south pre function space of our hotel, but that space was allocated for what would have been the
amazing kimono display.
No harm, no foul on the Kimono team, there was no way that they could have anticipated finding their displays and barriers being destroyed when they went to pick them up from the storage company.

Would I have liked to have fan photo areas? Absolutely. It was merely not possible in this case. That said, many first time Costume-Con attendees were thrilled by being able to participate in the on stage photo run, and several cons have since adopted it
here. 🙂

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 


From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Byron Connell byronpconnell@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: December 13, 2016 6:54 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Masquerade Halftime Acitivities – Post Masquerade Photo Run

 

What did you do at CC 32? I don’t remember.

Byron

 

 

On Dec 13, 2016, at 6:41 PM, ‘Kaijugal .’
kaijugal@hotmail.com
[runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 


For larger Costume-Cons, and cons in general, I feel that the onstage photo run makes the most sense just due to space restrictions. The alternative of having no fan photos is not an option in my mind.

For smaller Costume-Cons a more traditional, well lit, floor level, fan-photo area(s)* are more to my personal taste.


* (a Toronto-Trek we use to have several areas all in a row that costumers costumers could rotate through stretched along a hallway so photographers could spread out and everyone could get nice photos of all the costumes).

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3214 From: casamai Date: 12/18/2016
Subject: Welcoming newcomers – Traditions and Expectations

 

 

 

 

Not everyone is going to attend a CC orientation panel.  So at the very least, there should be an
announcement made by the MC during the SF masquerade, asking that every new
attendee in the audience either raise their hands or stand up, and everyone
else should applaud them.   In the
meantime, Nora and I intend to continue to hand out “My First Costume-Con”
ribbons.  Efforts need to be made to make
the wearers feel welcome.  

 

Also, we’ll be changing the way we hand out the “Costume-Con
Veteran ” ribbons.   People misinterpreted
their original intention.   The
recipients will be reminded of their responsibility to talk to first-timers.

 

I seem to recall that the FAQ I wrote up a number of years
ago (which is mostly reposted on each CC website) says something about how many
con-goers are actually shy so they may not be very outgoing.   This is why we really need to work on other
ways for people not to appear stand-offish.
Maybe a voluntary game to match veterans to newbies for some sort of
information swap could be invented where there would be a prize involved.

 

Making sure newbies feel included should be a priority for
every convention (committee and con-goers) because we want them to return each
year and become part of the community. 

 

Any other thoughts?

 

  

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3215 From: ma0902432 Date: 12/19/2016
Subject: Re: Welcoming newcomers – Traditions and Expectations
Mentioning that “some sort of game should be invented” brought back some
memories to me; how about a “costumer Bingo” game at the Friday night
social. I personally have never cared for the Single pattern Contest
being “imposed” onto the Social, yes, I understand that it seems to get
more entries that way, but it makes the social into another “masquerade”
event, where the contestants are mostly “backstage” and the “audience”
then has to sit still with the lights out. The Social used to be really
Social! People danced! There was a lot more mingling. I don’t object to
raffles, much, but a costumer bingo card, maybe? with costume-related
small awards? Where people could check off on their card when they saw
certain props or colors, types of costumes, etc. Wouldn’t take much to
invent it. I also remember, (at CC10 maybe?) There was a “costumer
questionnaire” with funny questions on it that really sparked
conversations.

I feel that a good way to start the convention in a welcoming way would
be to put the Single Pattern away from Friday night and make it Social
again. Keep the lights on and let people see each other.

Yours in costuming, Lisa a

On 18 Dec 2016 19:04:13 -0800 “casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]”
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:
Not everyone is going to attend a CC orientation panel. So at the very
least, there should be an announcement made by the MC during the SF
masquerade, asking that every new attendee in the audience either raise
their hands or stand up, and everyone else should applaud them. In the
meantime, Nora and I intend to continue to hand out �My First
Costume-Con� ribbons. Efforts need to be made to make the wearers feel
welcome.
Also, we�ll be changing the way we hand out the �Costume-Con Veteran �
ribbons. People misinterpreted their original intention. The
recipients will be reminded of their responsibility to talk to
first-timers.

I seem to recall that the FAQ I wrote up a number of years ago (which is
mostly reposted on each CC website) says something about how many
con-goers are actually shy so they may not be very outgoing. This is
why we really need to work on other ways for people not to appear
stand-offish. Maybe a voluntary game to match veterans to newbies for
some sort of information swap could be invented where there would be a
prize involved.

Making sure newbies feel included should be a priority for every
convention (committee and con-goers) because we want them to return each
year and become part of the community.

Any other thoughts?

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 3216 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 12/19/2016
Subject: Re: Welcoming newcomers – Traditions and Expectations

Making the SIngle Pattern less formal again would help too.

Nora
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On Mon, 12/19/16, lisa58@juno.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [runacc] Welcoming newcomers – Traditions and Expectations
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 19, 2016, 5:49 AM

Mentioning that “some sort of game
should be invented” brought back some
memories  to me; how about  a “costumer Bingo”
game at the Friday night
social.  I personally have never cared for the Single
pattern Contest
being “imposed” onto the Social, yes, I understand that it
seems to get
more entries that way, but it makes the social into another
“masquerade”
event, where the contestants are mostly “backstage” and the
“audience”
then has to sit still with the lights out.  The Social
used to be really
Social!  People danced! There was a lot more
mingling.  I don’t object to
raffles, much, but a costumer bingo card, maybe? with
costume-related
small awards?  Where people could check off on their
card when they saw
certain props or colors, types of costumes, etc.
Wouldn’t take much to
invent it.  I also remember, (at CC10 maybe?) There was
a “costumer
questionnaire” with funny questions on it that really
sparked
conversations.

I feel that a good way to start the convention in a
welcoming way would
be to put the Single Pattern away from Friday night and make
it Social
again.  Keep the lights on and let people see each
other.

Yours in costuming, Lisa a

On 18 Dec 2016 19:04:13 -0800 “casamai@sbcglobal.net
[runacc]”
<runacc@yahoogroups.com>
writes:
Not everyone is going to attend a CC orientation
panel.  So at the very
least, there should be an announcement made by the MC during
the SF
masquerade, asking that every new attendee in the audience
either raise
their hands or stand up, and everyone else should applaud
them.   In the
meantime, Nora and I intend to continue to hand out �y
First
Costume-Con�ribbons.  Efforts need to be made to make
the wearers feel
welcome.
Also, we�l be changing the way we hand out the
�ostume-Con Veteran �ribbons.   People
misinterpreted their original
intention.   The
recipients will be reminded of their responsibility to talk
to
first-timers.

I seem to recall that the FAQ I wrote up a number of years
ago (which is
mostly reposted on each CC website) says something about how
many
con-goers are actually shy so they may not be very
outgoing.   This is
why we really need to work on other ways for people not to
appear
stand-offish.   Maybe a voluntary game to
match veterans to newbies for
some sort of information swap could be invented where there
would be a
prize involved.

Making sure newbies feel included should be a priority for
every
convention (committee and con-goers) because we want them to
return each
year and become part of the community.

Any other thoughts?

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Group: runacc Message: 3217 From: ECM Date: 12/20/2016
Subject: Re: Welcoming newcomers – Traditions and Expectations

 

I totally agree!  Also, another variation on the bingo would be to collect “autographs” from folks with the veteran ribbons.  Another thought is ribbons or stickers from the veterans, but that could be rather complicated.  (Person with the longest string
of ribbons gets ?)

 

If the Newbie ribbons were made to stand out, it might be easier for the rest of us to spot them and descend upo – uh, visit with them.

 

Elaine Mami

 


From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of lisa58@juno.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 6:49 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Welcoming newcomers – Traditions and Expectations

 

Mentioning that “some sort of game should be invented” brought back some
memories to me; how about a “costumer Bingo” game at the Friday night
social. I personally have never cared for the Single pattern Contest
being “imposed” onto the Social, yes, I understand that it seems to get
more entries that way, but it makes the social into another “masquerade”
event, where the contestants are mostly “backstage” and the “audience”
then has to sit still with the lights out. The Social used to be really
Social! People danced! There was a lot more mingling. I don’t object to
raffles, much, but a costumer bingo card, maybe? with costume-related
small awards? Where people could check off on their card when they saw
certain props or colors, types of costumes, etc. Wouldn’t take much to
invent it. I also remember, (at CC10 maybe?) There was a “costumer
questionnaire” with funny questions on it that really sparked
conversations.

I feel that a good way to start the convention in a welcoming way would
be to put the Single Pattern away from Friday night and make it Social
again. Keep the lights on and let people see each other.

Yours in costuming, Lisa a

On 18 Dec 2016 19:04:13 -0800 “casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]”
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:
Not everyone is going to attend a CC orientation panel. So at the very
least, there should be an announcement made by the MC during the SF
masquerade, asking that every new attendee in the audience either raise
their hands or stand up, and everyone else should applaud them. In the
meantime, Nora and I intend to continue to hand out �My First
Costume-Con� ribbons. Efforts need to be made to make the wearers feel
welcome.
Also, we�ll be changing the way we hand out the �Costume-Con Veteran �
ribbons. People misinterpreted their original intention. The
recipients will be reminded of their responsibility to talk to
first-timers.

I seem to recall that the FAQ I wrote up a number of years ago (which is
mostly reposted on each CC website) says something about how many
con-goers are actually shy so they may not be very outgoing. This is
why we really need to work on other ways for people not to appear
stand-offish. Maybe a voluntary game to match veterans to newbies for
some sort of information swap could be invented where there would be a
prize involved.

Making sure newbies feel included should be a priority for every
convention (committee and con-goers) because we want them to return each
year and become part of the community.

Any other thoughts?

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3218 From: Kaijugal . Date: 12/23/2016
Subject: Re: Welcoming newcomers – Traditions and Expectations

 

We had a couple fo games like that at the CC-32 social and there was at least one person who complained that it was annoying to the people who had been coming for years.

Just another case of you can’t please everyone.

 

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 


From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of lisa58@juno.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: December 19, 2016 6:49 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Welcoming newcomers – Traditions and Expectations

 

Mentioning that “some sort of game should be invented” brought back some
memories to me; how about a “costumer Bingo” game at the Friday night
social. I personally have never cared for the Single pattern Contest
being “imposed” onto the Social, yes, I understand that it seems to get
more entries that way, but it makes the social into another “masquerade”
event, where the contestants are mostly “backstage” and the “audience”
then has to sit still with the lights out. The Social used to be really
Social! People danced! There was a lot more mingling. I don’t object to
raffles, much, but a costumer bingo card, maybe? with costume-related
small awards? Where people could check off on their card when they saw
certain props or colors, types of costumes, etc. Wouldn’t take much to
invent it. I also remember, (at CC10 maybe?) There was a “costumer
questionnaire” with funny questions on it that really sparked
conversations.

I feel that a good way to start the convention in a welcoming way would
be to put the Single Pattern away from Friday night and make it Social
again. Keep the lights on and let people see each other.

Yours in costuming, Lisa a

On 18 Dec 2016 19:04:13 -0800 “casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]”
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:
Not everyone is going to attend a CC orientation panel. So at the very
least, there should be an announcement made by the MC during the SF
masquerade, asking that every new attendee in the audience either raise
their hands or stand up, and everyone else should applaud them. In the
meantime, Nora and I intend to continue to hand out �My First
Costume-Con� ribbons. Efforts need to be made to make the wearers feel
welcome.
Also, we�ll be changing the way we hand out the �Costume-Con Veteran �
ribbons. People misinterpreted their original intention. The
recipients will be reminded of their responsibility to talk to
first-timers.

I seem to recall that the FAQ I wrote up a number of years ago (which is
mostly reposted on each CC website) says something about how many
con-goers are actually shy so they may not be very outgoing. This is
why we really need to work on other ways for people not to appear
stand-offish. Maybe a voluntary game to match veterans to newbies for
some sort of information swap could be invented where there would be a
prize involved.

Making sure newbies feel included should be a priority for every
convention (committee and con-goers) because we want them to return each
year and become part of the community.

Any other thoughts?

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3219 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 12/23/2016
Subject: Re: Welcoming newcomers – Traditions and Expectations

 

 

True enough.   It needs to be more of a voluntary thing that maybe could be stretched over the weekend, not just one event.

 

Along the same lines as what Lisa was saying, I actually did create a Bingo game for CC34.   I probably didn’t do the best job of getting the word out about it.  They were available at Registration.  A few people participated, but not many. 

 

Re the My First CC ribbons:  They’re white  They stand out pretty well     They also fit onto the rest of the horizontal ribbons people collect during the weekend.  

 

Also, everything we’ve talked about so far has got the newbies  having to do something.  Some may not be comfortable approaching the vets.   So beyond the responsibility of Veteran ribbon bearers are charged with, what else could they be encouraged to do?

 

I agree the Social needs to be social but if you put it back with the FFS, one or the other will suffer.  Nora has stats to back that up, which I believe she’s posted previously.  (Marg, you might want to make a note of that and add it to that Google doc).

 

Bruce

 

 

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 6:40 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Welcoming newcomers – Traditions and Expectations

We had a couple fo games like that at the CC-32 social and there was at least one person who complained that it was annoying to the people who had been coming for years.

Just another case of you can’t please everyone. 

 

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North

Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 

 


 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of lisa58@juno.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: December 19, 2016 6:49 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Welcoming newcomers – Traditions and Expectations

 

 

Mentioning that “some sort of game should be invented” brought back some
memories to me; how about a “costumer Bingo” game at the Friday night
social. I personally have never cared for the Single pattern Contest
being “imposed” onto the Social, yes, I understand that it seems to get
more entries that way, but it makes the social into another “masquerade”
event, where the contestants are mostly “backstage” and the “audience”
then has to sit still with the lights out. The Social used to be really
Social! People danced! There was a lot more mingling. I don’t object to
raffles, much, but a costumer bingo card, maybe? with costume-related
small awards? Where people could check off on their card when they saw
certain props or colors, types of costumes, etc. Wouldn’t take much to
invent it. I also remember, (at CC10 maybe?) There was a “costumer
questionnaire” with funny questions on it that really sparked
conversations.

I feel that a good way to start the convention in a welcoming way would
be to put the Single Pattern away from Friday night and make it Social
again. Keep the lights on and let people see each other.

Yours in costuming, Lisa a

On 18 Dec 2016 19:04:13 -0800 “casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:
Not everyone is going to attend a CC orientation panel. So at the very
least, there should be an announcement made by the MC during the SF
masquerade, asking that every new attendee in the audience either raise
their hands or stand up, and everyone else should applaud them. In the
meantime, Nora and I intend to continue to hand out My First
Costume-Con
ribbons. Efforts need to be made to make the wearers feel
welcome.
Also, we
ll be changing the way we hand out the Costume-Con Veteran
ribbons. People misinterpreted their original intention. The
recipients will be reminded of their responsibility to talk to
first-timers.

I seem to recall that the FAQ I wrote up a number of years ago (which is
mostly reposted on each CC website) says something about how many
con-goers are actually shy so they may not be very outgoing. This is
why we really need to work on other ways for people not to appear
stand-offish. Maybe a voluntary game to match veterans to newbies for
some sort of information swap could be invented where there would be a
prize involved.

Making sure newbies feel included should be a priority for every
convention (committee and con-goers) because we want them to return each
year and become part of the community.

Any other thoughts?

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3220 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 12/24/2016
Subject: Re: Welcoming newcomers – Traditions and Expectations

Theoretically, a con committee has at least a handful of people who fall into the category of “experienced” CC attendee. If you ask one of those to coordinate recruitment of others who are willing to act as mentors (a term I like because of its implication as experienced guide without so many syllables), and the mentors are keyed to watch for the newbies, it doesn’t have to be a situation of intimidation at either the giving or receiving end.

Trouble is, folks (like me) who haven’t been able to attend because life has interfered are less available to act as mentors if we can’t get to the cons.
It’s a long-term problem that won’t likely get better, so establishing a mentor program gets more important every year.
Betsy

 

 

On Dec 23, 2016 11:17 PM, “‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

True enough.   It needs to be more of a voluntary thing that maybe could be stretched over the weekend, not just one event.

 

Along the same lines as what Lisa was saying, I actually did create a Bingo game for CC34.   I probably didn’t do the best job of getting the word out about it.  They were available at Registration.  A few people participated, but not many. 

 

Re the My First CC ribbons:  They’re white  They stand out pretty well     They also fit onto the rest of the horizontal ribbons people collect during the weekend.  

 

Also, everything we’ve talked about so far has got the newbies  having to do something.  Some may not be comfortable approaching the vets.   So beyond the responsibility of Veteran ribbon bearers are charged with, what else could they be encouraged to do?

 

I agree the Social needs to be social but if you put it back with the FFS, one or the other will suffer.  Nora has stats to back that up, which I believe she’s posted previously.  (Marg, you might want to make a note of that and add it to that Google doc).

 

Bruce

 

 

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com ]
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 6:40 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Welcoming newcomers – Traditions and Expectations

 

We had a couple fo games like that at the CC-32 social and there was at least one person who complained that it was annoying to the people who had been coming for years.

Just another case of you can’t please everyone. 

 

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North

Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 

 


 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of lisa58@juno.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: December 19, 2016 6:49 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Welcoming newcomers – Traditions and Expectations

 

 

Mentioning that “some sort of game should be invented” brought back some
memories to me; how about a “costumer Bingo” game at the Friday night
social. I personally have never cared for the Single pattern Contest
being “imposed” onto the Social, yes, I understand that it seems to get
more entries that way, but it makes the social into another “masquerade”
event, where the contestants are mostly “backstage” and the “audience”
then has to sit still with the lights out. The Social used to be really
Social! People danced! There was a lot more mingling. I don’t object to
raffles, much, but a costumer bingo card, maybe? with costume-related
small awards? Where people could check off on their card when they saw
certain props or colors, types of costumes, etc. Wouldn’t take much to
invent it. I also remember, (at CC10 maybe?) There was a “costumer
questionnaire” with funny questions on it that really sparked
conversations.

I feel that a good way to start the convention in a welcoming way would
be to put the Single Pattern away from Friday night and make it Social
again. Keep the lights on and let people see each other.

Yours in costuming, Lisa a

On 18 Dec 2016 19:04:13 -0800 “casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:
Not everyone is going to attend a CC orientation panel. So at the very
least, there should be an announcement made by the MC during the SF
masquerade, asking that every new attendee in the audience either raise
their hands or stand up, and everyone else should applaud them. In the
meantime, Nora and I intend to continue to hand out My First
Costume-Con
ribbons. Efforts need to be made to make the wearers feel
welcome.
Also, we
ll be changing the way we hand out the Costume-Con Veteran
ribbons. People misinterpreted their original intention. The
recipients will be reminded of their responsibility to talk to
first-timers.

I seem to recall that the FAQ I wrote up a number of years ago (which is
mostly reposted on each CC website) says something about how many
con-goers are actually shy so they may not be very outgoing. This is
why we really need to work on other ways for people not to appear
stand-offish. Maybe a voluntary game to match veterans to newbies for
some sort of information swap could be invented where there would be a
prize involved.

Making sure newbies feel included should be a priority for every
convention (committee and con-goers) because we want them to return each
year and become part of the community.

Any other thoughts?

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3221 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 12/24/2016
Subject: Re: Welcoming newcomers – Traditions and Expectations

I like the term Mentor. We could still use the CC veteran ribbons to indicate who is a capable mentor but maybe detail it better.

Nora

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 5:35 AM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: RE: [runacc] Welcoming newcomers – Traditions and Expectations

Theoretically, a con committee has at least a handful of people who fall into the category of “experienced” CC attendee. If you ask one of those to coordinate recruitment of others who are willing to act as mentors (a term I like because of its implication as experienced guide without so many syllables), and the mentors are keyed to watch for the newbies, it doesn’t have to be a situation of intimidation at either the giving or receiving end.

Trouble is, folks (like me) who haven’t been able to attend because life has interfered are less available to act as mentors if we can’t get to the cons.

It’s a long-term problem that won’t likely get better, so establishing a mentor program gets more important every year.

Betsy

On Dec 23, 2016 11:17 PM, “‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

True enough. It needs to be more of a voluntary thing that maybe could be stretched over the weekend, not just one event.

Along the same lines as what Lisa was saying, I actually did create a Bingo game for CC34. I probably didn’t do the best job of getting the word out about it. They were available at Registration. A few people participated, but not many.

Re the My First CC ribbons: They’re white They stand out pretty well They also fit onto the rest of the horizontal ribbons people collect during the weekend.

Also, everything we’ve talked about so far has got the newbies having to do something. Some may not be comfortable approaching the vets. So beyond the responsibility of Veteran ribbon bearers are charged with, what else could they be encouraged to do?

I agree the Social needs to be social but if you put it back with the FFS, one or the other will suffer. Nora has stats to back that up, which I believe she’s posted previously. (Marg, you might want to make a note of that and add it to that Google doc).

Bruce

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 6:40 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Welcoming newcomers – Traditions and Expectations

We had a couple fo games like that at the CC-32 social and there was at least one person who complained that it was annoying to the people who had been coming for years.

Just another case of you can’t please everyone.

Dawn McKechnie – Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North

Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
<http://www.animenorth.com/> www.animenorth.com

_____

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of lisa58@juno.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: December 19, 2016 6:49 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Welcoming newcomers – Traditions and Expectations

Mentioning that “some sort of game should be invented” brought back some
memories to me; how about a “costumer Bingo” game at the Friday night
social. I personally have never cared for the Single pattern Contest
being “imposed” onto the Social, yes, I understand that it seems to get
more entries that way, but it makes the social into another “masquerade”
event, where the contestants are mostly “backstage” and the “audience”
then has to sit still with the lights out. The Social used to be really
Social! People danced! There was a lot more mingling. I don’t object to
raffles, much, but a costumer bingo card, maybe? with costume-related
small awards? Where people could check off on their card when they saw
certain props or colors, types of costumes, etc. Wouldn’t take much to
invent it. I also remember, (at CC10 maybe?) There was a “costumer
questionnaire” with funny questions on it that really sparked
conversations.

I feel that a good way to start the convention in a welcoming way would
be to put the Single Pattern away from Friday night and make it Social
again. Keep the lights on and let people see each other.

Yours in costuming, Lisa a

On 18 Dec 2016 19:04:13 -0800 “casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <mailto:casamai@sbcglobal.net%20[runacc]> ”
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:
Not everyone is going to attend a CC orientation panel. So at the very
least, there should be an announcement made by the MC during the SF
masquerade, asking that every new attendee in the audience either raise
their hands or stand up, and everyone else should applaud them. In the
meantime, Nora and I intend to continue to hand out �My First
Costume-Con� ribbons. Efforts need to be made to make the wearers feel
welcome.
Also, we�ll be changing the way we hand out the �Costume-Con Veteran �
ribbons. People misinterpreted their original intention. The
recipients will be reminded of their responsibility to talk to
first-timers.

I seem to recall that the FAQ I wrote up a number of years ago (which is
mostly reposted on each CC website) says something about how many
con-goers are actually shy so they may not be very outgoing. This is
why we really need to work on other ways for people not to appear
stand-offish. Maybe a voluntary game to match veterans to newbies for
some sort of information swap could be invented where there would be a
prize involved.

Making sure newbies feel included should be a priority for every
convention (committee and con-goers) because we want them to return each
year and become part of the community.

Any other thoughts?

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 3222 From: Byron Connell Date: 12/24/2016
Subject: Re: Welcoming newcomers – Traditions and Expectations

 

How do we inform newbies about mentors, and vice versa, in a way that will catch their attention without frightening the newbies or offending experienced CC hands not chosen to be mentors?

 

Byron

 

 

On Dec 24, 2016, at 12:56 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I like the term Mentor. We could still use the CC veteran ribbons to indicate who is a capable mentor but maybe detail it better.

Nora

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 5:35 AM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: RE: [runacc] Welcoming newcomers – Traditions and Expectations

Theoretically, a con committee has at least a handful of people who fall into the category of “experienced” CC attendee. If you ask one of those to coordinate recruitment of others who are willing to act as mentors (a term I like because of its implication as experienced guide without so many syllables), and the mentors are keyed to watch for the newbies, it doesn’t have to be a situation of intimidation at either the giving or receiving end.

Trouble is, folks (like me) who haven’t been able to attend because life has interfered are less available to act as mentors if we can’t get to the cons.

It’s a long-term problem that won’t likely get better, so establishing a mentor program gets more important every year.

Betsy 

On Dec 23, 2016 11:17 PM, “‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

True enough. It needs to be more of a voluntary thing that maybe could be stretched over the weekend, not just one event.

Along the same lines as what Lisa was saying, I actually did create a Bingo game for CC34. I probably didn’t do the best job of getting the word out about it. They were available at Registration. A few people participated, but not many.  

Re the My First CC ribbons: They’re white They stand out pretty well They also fit onto the rest of the horizontal ribbons people collect during the weekend.  

Also, everything we’ve talked about so far has got the newbies having to do something. Some may not be comfortable approaching the vets. So beyond the responsibility of Veteran ribbon bearers are charged with, what else could they be encouraged to do?

I agree the Social needs to be social but if you put it back with the FFS, one or the other will suffer. Nora has stats to back that up, which I believe she’s posted previously. (Marg, you might want to make a note of that and add it to that Google doc).

Bruce

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 6:40 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Welcoming newcomers – Traditions and Expectations

We had a couple fo games like that at the CC-32 social and there was at least one person who complained that it was annoying to the people who had been coming for years.

Just another case of you can’t please everyone. 

Dawn McKechnie – Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North

Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
<http://www.animenorth.com/> www.animenorth.com 

_____  

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of lisa58@juno.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: December 19, 2016 6:49 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Welcoming newcomers – Traditions and Expectations 

Mentioning that “some sort of game should be invented” brought back some
memories to me; how about a “costumer Bingo” game at the Friday night
social. I personally have never cared for the Single pattern Contest
being “imposed” onto the Social, yes, I understand that it seems to get
more entries that way, but it makes the social into another “masquerade”
event, where the contestants are mostly “backstage” and the “audience”
then has to sit still with the lights out. The Social used to be really
Social! People danced! There was a lot more mingling. I don’t object to
raffles, much, but a costumer bingo card, maybe? with costume-related
small awards? Where people could check off on their card when they saw
certain props or colors, types of costumes, etc. Wouldn’t take much to
invent it. I also remember, (at CC10 maybe?) There was a “costumer
questionnaire” with funny questions on it that really sparked
conversations. 

I feel that a good way to start the convention in a welcoming way would
be to put the Single Pattern away from Friday night and make it Social
again. Keep the lights on and let people see each other. 

Yours in costuming, Lisa a

On 18 Dec 2016 19:04:13 -0800 “casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <mailto:casamai@sbcglobal.net%20[runacc]> “
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:
Not everyone is going to attend a CC orientation panel. So at the very
least, there should be an announcement made by the MC during the SF
masquerade, asking that every new attendee in the audience either raise
their hands or stand up, and everyone else should applaud them. In the
meantime, Nora and I intend to continue to hand out �My First
Costume-Con� ribbons. Efforts need to be made to make the wearers feel
welcome. 
Also, we�ll be changing the way we hand out the �Costume-Con Veteran �
ribbons. People misinterpreted their original intention. The
recipients will be reminded of their responsibility to talk to
first-timers. 

I seem to recall that the FAQ I wrote up a number of years ago (which is
mostly reposted on each CC website) says something about how many
con-goers are actually shy so they may not be very outgoing. This is
why we really need to work on other ways for people not to appear
stand-offish. Maybe a voluntary game to match veterans to newbies for
some sort of information swap could be invented where there would be a
prize involved.

Making sure newbies feel included should be a priority for every
convention (committee and con-goers) because we want them to return each
year and become part of the community. 

Any other thoughts?

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3223 From: spiritof_76 Date: 12/26/2016
Subject: Re: Welcoming newcomers – Traditions and Expectations

What about putting a blurb in pre-con literature/website/pr, etc,
explaining the “mentor” program and asking people who will be attending
for the first time, to sign up to be matched with a mentor before the
convention, if they would like to. That way, mentors and new people
don’t have to approach total strangers at the convention.

Michael

On 2016-12-23 20:17, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]
wrote:

> True enough. It needs to be more of a voluntary thing that maybe
> could be stretched over the weekend, not just one event.
>
> Along the same lines as what Lisa was saying, I actually did create a
> Bingo game for CC34. I probably didn’t do the best job of getting
> the word out about it. They were available at Registration. A few
> people participated, but not many.
>
> Re the My First CC ribbons: They’re white They stand out pretty well
> They also fit onto the rest of the horizontal ribbons people
> collect during the weekend.
>
> Also, everything we’ve talked about so far has got the newbies having
> to do something. Some may not be comfortable approaching the vets.
> So beyond the responsibility of Veteran ribbon bearers are charged
> with, what else could they be encouraged to do?
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 3224 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 12/26/2016
Subject: Re: Welcoming newcomers – Traditions and Expectations

Mike suggested a blurb in the program book. It could be announced at the Social and at the FSF (Historical too I guess). Also obviously mentioned at CC101 panel.
As for mentors volunteering – how about this: if you request a CC veteran ribbon you’re volunteering.

Still think we might need activities, games perhaps, that create interaction between the two groups (and everyone in between). Like a scavenger hunt?

Nora

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 5:24 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Welcoming newcomers – Traditions and Expectations

How do we inform newbies about mentors, and vice versa, in a way that will catch their attention without frightening the newbies or offending experienced CC hands not chosen to be mentors?

Byron

On Dec 24, 2016, at 12:56 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I like the term Mentor. We could still use the CC veteran ribbons to indicate who is a capable mentor but maybe detail it better.

Nora

From: <mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com> runacc@yahoogroups.com [ <mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com> mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 5:35 AM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: RE: [runacc] Welcoming newcomers – Traditions and Expectations

Theoretically, a con committee has at least a handful of people who fall into the category of “experienced” CC attendee. If you ask one of those to coordinate recruitment of others who are willing to act as mentors (a term I like because of its implication as experienced guide without so many syllables), and the mentors are keyed to watch for the newbies, it doesn’t have to be a situation of intimidation at either the giving or receiving end.

Trouble is, folks (like me) who haven’t been able to attend because life has interfered are less available to act as mentors if we can’t get to the cons.

It’s a long-term problem that won’t likely get better, so establishing a mentor program gets more important every year.

Betsy

On Dec 23, 2016 11:17 PM, “‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ <mailto:casamai@sbcglobal.net> casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]” < <mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com> runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

True enough. It needs to be more of a voluntary thing that maybe could be stretched over the weekend, not just one event.

Along the same lines as what Lisa was saying, I actually did create a Bingo game for CC34. I probably didn’t do the best job of getting the word out about it. They were available at Registration. A few people participated, but not many.

Re the My First CC ribbons: They’re white They stand out pretty well They also fit onto the rest of the horizontal ribbons people collect during the weekend.

Also, everything we’ve talked about so far has got the newbies having to do something. Some may not be comfortable approaching the vets. So beyond the responsibility of Veteran ribbon bearers are charged with, what else could they be encouraged to do?

I agree the Social needs to be social but if you put it back with the FFS, one or the other will suffer. Nora has stats to back that up, which I believe she’s posted previously. (Marg, you might want to make a note of that and add it to that Google doc).

Bruce

From: <mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com> runacc@yahoogroups.com [ <mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com> mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 6:40 PM
To: <mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com> runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Welcoming newcomers – Traditions and Expectations

We had a couple fo games like that at the CC-32 social and there was at least one person who complained that it was annoying to the people who had been coming for years.

Just another case of you can’t please everyone.

Dawn McKechnie – Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North

Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
< <http://www.animenorth.com/> http://www.animenorth.com/> <http://www.animenorth.com/> www.animenorth.com

_____

From: <mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com> runacc@yahoogroups.com < <mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com> runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of <mailto:lisa58@juno.com> lisa58@juno.com [runacc] < <mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com> runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: December 19, 2016 6:49 AM
To: <mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com> runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Welcoming newcomers – Traditions and Expectations

Mentioning that “some sort of game should be invented” brought back some
memories to me; how about a “costumer Bingo” game at the Friday night
social. I personally have never cared for the Single pattern Contest
being “imposed” onto the Social, yes, I understand that it seems to get
more entries that way, but it makes the social into another “masquerade”
event, where the contestants are mostly “backstage” and the “audience”
then has to sit still with the lights out. The Social used to be really
Social! People danced! There was a lot more mingling. I don’t object to
raffles, much, but a costumer bingo card, maybe? with costume-related
small awards? Where people could check off on their card when they saw
certain props or colors, types of costumes, etc. Wouldn’t take much to
invent it. I also remember, (at CC10 maybe?) There was a “costumer
questionnaire” with funny questions on it that really sparked
conversations.

I feel that a good way to start the convention in a welcoming way would
be to put the Single Pattern away from Friday night and make it Social
again. Keep the lights on and let people see each other.

Yours in costuming, Lisa a

On 18 Dec 2016 19:04:13 -0800 ” <mailto:casamai@sbcglobal.net> casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] < <mailto:casamai@sbcglobal.net> mailto:casamai@sbcglobal.net%20[runacc]> ”
< <mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com> runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:
Not everyone is going to attend a CC orientation panel. So at the very
least, there should be an announcement made by the MC during the SF
masquerade, asking that every new attendee in the audience either raise
their hands or stand up, and everyone else should applaud them. In the
meantime, Nora and I intend to continue to hand out �My First
Costume-Con� ribbons. Efforts need to be made to make the wearers feel
welcome.
Also, we�ll be changing the way we hand out the �Costume-Con Veteran �
ribbons. People misinterpreted their original intention. The
recipients will be reminded of their responsibility to talk to
first-timers.

I seem to recall that the FAQ I wrote up a number of years ago (which is
mostly reposted on each CC website) says something about how many
con-goers are actually shy so they may not be very outgoing. This is
why we really need to work on other ways for people not to appear
stand-offish. Maybe a voluntary game to match veterans to newbies for
some sort of information swap could be invented where there would be a
prize involved.

Making sure newbies feel included should be a priority for every
convention (committee and con-goers) because we want them to return each
year and become part of the community.

Any other thoughts?

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 3225 From: Kaijugal . Date: 12/29/2016
Subject: Re: Welcoming newcomers – Traditions and Expectations

 

Re the My First CC ribbons:  They’re white
They stand out pretty well     They also fit onto the rest of the horizontal ribbons people collect during the weekend.  ”

I really love, appreciate, and value the “My First CC” ribbons. I find them so useful for identifying new members and in the past many years Maral and I have made a point of trying to connect and be welcoming to new CC members so they don’t feel overwhelmed
or left out. The ribbons have been invaluable in this regard. I also find them to be a subtle reminder that not everyone has the same experience and that we can all be a little more patient and kind.

I remember how delighted first time Costume-Con attendees were when receiving them at the CC32 registration desk, (Thank you to Nora, Bruce, and the SLCG for donating them!), and what a truly welcoming note they started the weekend off on for many of new attendees.

I can’t stress their value enough.
~Dawn

 

 

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North

 

Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3226 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 1/2/2017
Subject: Re: Welcoming newcomers – Traditions and Expectations

 

 

Thanks, we feel that way too. As long as future CCs want them we will provide them. Note: Future CCs – just let us know, we’ll bring them or get them to you somehow.

 

In fact I have some ideas for getting people to interact but would need to get permission from the various con-coms. Are they all on here? Or does anyone have contact info for them if they are not?

It would all be voluntary, of course, just as accepting the ribbons is.

 

Nora

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 12:59 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Welcoming newcomers – Traditions and Expectations

Re the My First CC ribbons:  They’re white  They stand out pretty well     They also fit onto the rest of the horizontal ribbons people collect during the weekend.  ”

I really love, appreciate, and value the “My First CC” ribbons. I find them so useful for identifying new members and in the past many years Maral and I have made a point of trying to connect and be welcoming to new CC members so they don’t feel overwhelmed or left out. The ribbons have been invaluable in this regard. I also find them to be a subtle reminder that not everyone has the same experience and that we can all be a little more patient and kind.

I remember how delighted first time Costume-Con attendees were when receiving them at the CC32 registration desk, (Thank you to Nora, Bruce, and the SLCG for donating them!), and what a truly welcoming note they started the weekend off on for many of new attendees.

I can’t stress their value enough.
~Dawn

 

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North

Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3227 From: ECM Date: 1/4/2017
Subject: Re: Welcoming newcomers – Traditions and Expectations

 

CC36 is definitely interested!

 

Thanks,

 

Elaine

 


From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 2, 2017 9:49 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [runacc] Welcoming newcomers – Traditions and Expectations

 

Thanks, we feel that way too. As long as future CCs want them we will provide them. Note: Future CCs – just let us know, we’ll bring them or get them to you somehow.

 

In fact I have some ideas for getting people to interact but would need to get permission from the various con-coms. Are they all on here? Or does anyone have contact info for them if they are
not?

It would all be voluntary, of course, just as accepting the ribbons is.

 

Nora

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]

Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 12:59 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Welcoming newcomers – Traditions and Expectations

Re the My First CC ribbons:  They’re white  They stand out pretty well     They also fit onto the rest of the horizontal ribbons people collect during the weekend.  ”

I really love, appreciate, and value the “My First CC” ribbons. I find them so useful for identifying new members and in the past many years Maral and I have made a point of trying to connect and be welcoming to new CC members so they don’t feel overwhelmed
or left out. The ribbons have been invaluable in this regard. I also find them to be a subtle reminder that not everyone has the same experience and that we can all be a little more patient and kind.

I remember how delighted first time Costume-Con attendees were when receiving them at the CC32 registration desk, (Thank you to Nora, Bruce, and the SLCG for donating them!), and what a truly welcoming note they started the weekend off on for many of new attendees.

I can’t stress their value enough.
~Dawn

 

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North

Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3228 From: beckieboo817 Date: 1/9/2017
Subject: Single Pattern at CC36

Is there anyone on the list who would be willing to take over my Single Pattern contest for CC36?  My girl said she’s got some family problems that she’ll be dealing with for a long while so she resigned.  Her second isn’t sure she could handle the masquerade portion. So, if anyone could help out, I’d appreciate it.

 

Group: runacc Message: 3229 From: tinathebookworm Date: 1/20/2017
Subject: Sad News!

Author Walter Hunt posted on FB, about an hour ago, that

“h/t Deb Geisler, who reported that our friend and long time vendor of books, Larry Smith, has died of a heart attack.

I am so saddened by this I can hardly write this post.”

Larry has been the ‘designated pusher of books’ for whole generations of fans, and will be greatly missed by all of us.

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3230 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 4/13/2017
Subject: Fwd: Feedback from Costume-ConNections

Sorry to spam the list, but would someone please forward this to the appropriate recipient? And maybe check your site for complete contact info in the bargain?

Thanks!
Betsy

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: <sora@live.ca>
Date: Apr 13, 2017 2:17 AM
Subject: Feedback from Costume-ConNections
To: <ccinfo@costume-con.org>
Cc:

 

On 2017-04-13 at 02:16:06,
The following information was submitted:
From Host: 45.72.214.35
realname = Kale Lalonde
submit_by = sora@live.ca
Refer_Source = Other
Refer_Source_Maillist =
Refer_Source_URL =
Refer_Source_Search =
Refer_Source_Other =
Add_URL_to_Links =
Comments = Greetings! I purchased a dealers/artist table for Costume Con 35 when they first became available, however due to unforeseen circumstances I can no longer attend, I was wondering if it was possible to get a refund on my table? I could greatly use the funds.

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3231 From: Byron Connell Date: 4/13/2017
Subject: Re: Feedback from Costume-ConNections

 

Betsy —

 

The CC 35 web site says the correct contact is vendors@costumecon35.com
Byron

 

 

On Apr 13, 2017, at 2:30 AM, Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Sorry to spam the list, but would someone please forward this to the appropriate recipient? And maybe check your site for complete contact info in the bargain?

Thanks!
Betsy

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: <sora@live.ca>
Date: Apr 13, 2017 2:17 AM
Subject: Feedback from Costume-ConNections
To: <ccinfo@costume-con.org>
Cc: 

On 2017-04-13 at 02:16:06,
The following information was submitted:
From Host: 45.72.214.35
realname = Kale Lalonde
submit_by = sora@live.ca
Refer_Source = Other
Refer_Source_Maillist =
Refer_Source_URL =
Refer_Source_Search =
Refer_Source_Other =
Add_URL_to_Links =
Comments = Greetings! I purchased a dealers/artist table for Costume Con 35 when they first became available, however due to unforeseen circumstances I can no longer attend, I was wondering if it was possible to get a refund on my table? I could greatly use the funds.

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3232 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/18/2017
Subject: SLCG Costume-Con report coming

 

 

For anyone interested, I’m compiling this year’s CC review by our members.   I’ll post it in the next few days.

Bruce

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3233 From: casamai Date: 5/21/2017
Subject: SLCG CC35 Report: Before the Con

 

 

 

Time once
again for the report from the SLCG on how this year’s Costume-Con went.  Some of you may say, “who
cares?”.   Well, depends on who you
are.   These have been useful for future
con committees for things to be aware of when they are organizing their own
event.    Others just like to use
them to compare to their own past efforts.
In any case, each of these reports have been archived in the Yahoo Group for review.  I’d like to think they can be helpful in avoiding repeated mistakes.

 

 

There were 9
members attending CC35 this year.  As
usual, I wrote the overview from Nora and my perspective and published it on
our Yahoo group, then invited the others to chime in.   These are just the opinions of 9 people – they are representative of mostly regulars who have been attending since at least – some before that.   So take that under advisement.   And, of course, this is only our perception – the con committee should absolutely correct the record where it’s called for.

 

 

I’m going to preface this by saying up
front that CC35 was a pretty good con.  Most of the criticisms here are
nitpicks, so keep that in mind as we go through the review. 

 

 

 

 

 

Let’s start in the usual place – before
the con.  The Future Fashion Folio came out in a fairly timely fashion
this time.  There were lots of designs –over 300.   One hundred
fifty designs made it into the publication, with 39 designers, making it the 3rd
biggest number of designers for the Folio.

 

 

 

 

 

There were some criticisms of the PRs and
the website.   I can’t say much about
them, but this is what some people said:

 

 

 

 

 

The progress
reports (such as they were) were pretty much useless. As was the website. There
was very little information on it and if was hard to find anything. It was also
completely non-functional on my phone.

 

 

When
asked what were they looking for, this was the response: 

I was looking for the program schedule, just days before the
con. Also tried to get details about several things, I don’t remember what now,
but most menu items led to a blank page. 

 

 

 The only other criticism involved the slow
response for inquiries regarding sponsoring the Hospitality Suite.   The
website said details would be forthcoming, but it never was announced.   In our case, we didn’t get the answer we
needed until the Tuesday before the con, but only after I made another inquiry.
I understand the CC37 committee had a similar experience..

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3234 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/21/2017
Subject: Re: SLCG CC35 Report: Before the Con – one more thing.

 

 

Before I forget, I want to add that some of our members are on this list.   It is their choice whether to self-identify opinions, if there are questions or corrections to those opinions.

 

Also, please be sure to respond to the appropriate subject heading so that we can keep track of comments.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 9:37 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] SLCG CC35 Report: Before the Con

Time once again for the report from the SLCG on how this year’s Costume-Con went.  Some of you may say, “who cares?”.   Well, depends on who you are.   These have been useful for future con committees for things to be aware of when they are organizing their own event.    Others just like to use them to compare to their own past efforts.  In any case, each of these reports have been archived in the Yahoo Group for review.  I’d like to think they can be helpful in avoiding repeated mistakes.

There were 9 members attending CC35 this year.  As usual, I wrote the overview from Nora and my perspective and published it on our Yahoo group, then invited the others to chime in.   These are just the opinions of 9 people – they are representative of mostly regulars who have been attending since at least – some before that.   So take that under advisement.   And, of course, this is only our perception – the con committee should absolutely correct the record where it’s called for.

I’m going to preface this by saying up front that CC35 was a pretty good con.  Most of the criticisms here are nitpicks, so keep that in mind as we go through the review. 

 

Let’s start in the usual place – before the con.  The Future Fashion Folio came out in a fairly timely fashion this time.  There were lots of designs –over 300.   One hundred fifty designs made it into the publication, with 39 designers, making it the 3rd biggest number of designers for the Folio.

 

There were some criticisms of the PRs and the website.   I can’t say much about them, but this is what some people said:

 

The progress reports (such as they were) were pretty much useless. As was the website. There was very little information on it and if was hard to find anything. It was also completely non-functional on my phone.   

When asked what were they looking for, this was the response: 

I was looking for the program schedule, just days before the con. Also tried to get details about several things, I don’t remember what now, but most menu items led to a blank page. 

 The only other criticism involved the slow response for inquiries regarding sponsoring the Hospitality Suite.   The website said details would be forthcoming, but it never was announced.   In our case, we didn’t get the answer we needed until the Tuesday before the con, but only after I made another inquiry.   I understand the CC37 committee had a similar experience..

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3235 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 5/22/2017
Subject: Re: SLCG CC35 Report: Before the Con

Re pre con, consuite lack of info

” I understand the CC37 committee had a similar experience..”

HAHA, yeah, well so did the CC 35 committee 😉

Gravely MacCabre http://www.castleblood.com http://facebook.com/gravelymaccabre http://www.etsy.com/shop/gravelymaccabre tv show clip samples at http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood

——————————————–

On Sun, 5/21/17, casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [runacc] SLCG CC35 Report: Before the Con
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 21, 2017, 10:37 PM

Time once
again for the report from the SLCG on how this year’s
Costume-Con went.  Some of you may say,
“who
cares?”.   Well, depends on who you
are.   These have been useful for future
con committees for things to be aware of when they are
organizing their own
event.    Others just like to use
them to compare to their own past efforts.
In any case, each of these reports have been
archived in the Yahoo Group for review.  I’d like to
think they can be helpful in avoiding repeated
mistakes.

There were 9
members attending CC35 this year.  As
usual, I wrote the overview from Nora and my perspective and
published it on
our Yahoo group, then invited the others to chime
in.   These are just the opinions of 9 people – they
are representative of mostly regulars who have been
attending since at least – some before that.   So take
that under advisement.   And, of course, this is only our
perception – the con committee should absolutely correct the
record where it’s called
for.

I’m going to preface this by
saying up
front that CC35 was a pretty good con.  Most of the
criticisms here are
nitpicks, so keep that in mind as we go through the
review.

Let’s start in the usual place –
before
the con.  The Future Fashion Folio came out in a fairly
timely fashion
this time.  There were lots of designs –over 300.   One
hundred
fifty designs made it into the publication, with 39
designers, making it the 3rd
biggest number of designers for the
Folio.

There were some criticisms of the
PRs and
the website.   I can’t say much about
them, but this is what some people said:

The progress
reports (such as they were) were pretty much useless. As was
the website. There
was very little information on it and if was hard to find
anything. It was also
completely non-functional on my phone.

When
asked what were they looking for, this was the
response:  I was looking for the program
schedule, just days before the
con. Also tried to get details about several things, I
don’t remember what now,
but most menu items led to a blank
page.

The only other criticism involved
the slow
response for inquiries regarding sponsoring the Hospitality
Suite.   The
website said details would be forthcoming, but it never was
announced.   In our case, we didn’t get the
answer we
needed until the Tuesday before the con, but only after I
made another inquiry.
I understand the CC37 committee had a similar
experience..

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Group: runacc Message: 3236 From: ma0902432 Date: 5/22/2017
Subject: Re: SLCG CC35 Report: Before the Con – one more thing.
Hi Bruce,
I’m always interested in reading the SLCG review of the con, but after
the first 3 paragraphs (about the website and pre-con info) it came over
as gibberish, i.e. some sort of computer code that was unreadable.
Could you re=post?

Lisa a

On Sun, 21 May 2017 22:19:03 -0500 “‘Nora & Bruce Mai’
casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

Before I forget, I want to add that some of our members are on this list.
It is their choice whether to self-identify opinions, if there are
questions or corrections to those opinions.

Also, please be sure to respond to the appropriate subject heading so
that we can keep track of comments.

Bruce

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 9:37 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] SLCG CC35 Report: Before the Con

Time once again for the report from the SLCG on how this year’s
Costume-Con went. Some of you may say, “who cares?”. Well, depends on
who you are. These have been useful for future con committees for
things to be aware of when they are organizing their own event. Others
just like to use them to compare to their own past efforts. In any case,
each of these reports have been archived in the Yahoo Group for review.
I’d like to think they can be helpful in avoiding repeated mistakes.
There were 9 members attending CC35 this year. As usual, I wrote the
overview from Nora and my perspective and published it on our Yahoo
group, then invited the others to chime in. These are just the opinions
of 9 people – they are representative of mostly regulars who have been
attending since at least – some before that. So take that under
advisement. And, of course, this is only our perception – the con
committee should absolutely correct the record where it’s called for.
I�m going to preface this by saying up front that CC35 was a pretty good
con. Most of the criticisms here are nitpicks, so keep that in mind as
we go through the review.

Let�s start in the usual place � before the con. The Future Fashion
Folio came out in a fairly timely fashion this time. There were lots of
designs �over 300. One hundred fifty designs made it into the
publication, with 39 designers, making it the 3rd biggest number of
designers for the Folio.

There were some criticisms of the PRs and the website. I can’t say much
about them, but this is what some people said:

The progress reports (such as they were) were pretty much useless. As was
the website. There was very little information on it and if was hard to
find anything. It was also completely non-functional on my phone.
When asked what were they looking for, this was the response:
I was looking for the program schedule, just days before the con. Also
tried to get details about several things, I don’t remember what now, but
most menu items led to a blank page.
The only other criticism involved the slow response for inquiries
regarding sponsoring the Hospitality Suite. The website said details
would be forthcoming, but it never was announced. In our case, we
didn�t get the answer we needed until the Tuesday before the con, but
only after I made another inquiry. I understand the CC37 committee had
a similar experience..

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 3237 From: costumrs Date: 5/22/2017
Subject: Re: SLCG CC35 Report: Before the Con – one more thing.

 

Bruce: I did notice that the font changed at the point Lisa notes. Perhaps that’s the cause?
Sandy
Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
——– Original message ——–
From: “lisa58@juno.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 5/22/17 5:44 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] SLCG CC35 Report: Before the Con – one more thing.

 

Hi Bruce,
I’m always interested in reading the SLCG review of the con, but after
the first 3 paragraphs (about the website and pre-con info) it came over
as gibberish, i.e. some sort of computer code that was unreadable.
Could you re=post?

Lisa a

On Sun, 21 May 2017 22:19:03 -0500 “‘Nora & Bruce Mai’
casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

Before I forget, I want to add that some of our members are on this list.
It is their choice whether to self-identify opinions, if there are
questions or corrections to those opinions.

Also, please be sure to respond to the appropriate subject heading so
that we can keep track of comments.

Bruce

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 9:37 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] SLCG CC35 Report: Before the Con

Time once again for the report from the SLCG on how this year’s
Costume-Con went. Some of you may say, “who cares?”. Well, depends on
who you are. These have been useful for future con committees for
things to be aware of when they are organizing their own event. Others
just like to use them to compare to their own past efforts. In any case,
each of these reports have been archived in the Yahoo Group for review.
I’d like to think they can be helpful in avoiding repeated mistakes.
There were 9 members attending CC35 this year. As usual, I wrote the
overview from Nora and my perspective and published it on our Yahoo
group, then invited the others to chime in. These are just the opinions
of 9 people – they are representative of mostly regulars who have been
attending since at least – some before that. So take that under
advisement. And, of course, this is only our perception – the con
committee should absolutely correct the record where it’s called for.
I�m going to preface this by saying up front that CC35 was a pretty good
con. Most of the criticisms here are nitpicks, so keep that in mind as
we go through the review.

Let�s start in the usual place � before the con. The Future Fashion
Folio came out in a fairly timely fashion this time. There were lots of
designs �over 300. One hundred fifty designs made it into the
publication, with 39 designers, making it the 3rd biggest number of
designers for the Folio.

There were some criticisms of the PRs and the website. I can’t say much
about them, but this is what some people said:

The progress reports (such as they were) were pretty much useless. As was
the website. There was very little information on it and if was hard to
find anything. It was also completely non-functional on my phone.
When asked what were they looking for, this was the response:
I was looking for the program schedule, just days before the con. Also
tried to get details about several things, I don’t remember what now, but
most menu items led to a blank page.
The only other criticism involved the slow response for inquiries
regarding sponsoring the Hospitality Suite. The website said details
would be forthcoming, but it never was announced. In our case, we
didn�t get the answer we needed until the Tuesday before the con, but
only after I made another inquiry. I understand the CC37 committee had
a similar experience..

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3238 From: casamai Date: 5/22/2017
Subject: Gibberish with the Report

 

I think I had this problem last year.  It may be browser specific.   I’m copying and pasting from a Word Doc, so something may being lost in translation because of the quotes in italics.   I will repost and try formatting within Yahoo.

 

Bruce

 

Group: runacc Message: 3239 From: casamai Date: 5/22/2017
Subject: SLCG CC35 Report: Before the Con

Hello folks:

 

Time once again for the report from the SLCG on how this year’s Costume-Con went. Some of you may say, “who cares?”. Well, depends on who you are. These have been useful for future con committees for things to be aware of when they are organizing their own conference. Others just like to use them to compare to their own past efforts. In any case, each has been archived in the Yahoo Group for review.

 

There were 9 members attending CC35 this year. As usual, I wrote the overview from Nora and my perspective and published it on our Yahoo group, then invited the others to chime in.

 

I’m going to preface this by saying up front that CC35 was a pretty good con. Most of the criticisms here are nitpicks. So keep that in mind as we go through the review. I should also say that these were only our perceptions, without knowing the story on the “inside”. The committee should feel free to correct the record.

 

So, let’s start in the usual place – before the con. The Future Fashion Folio came out in a fairly timely fashion this time. There were lots of designs –over 300. One hundred fifty designs made it into the publication, with 39 designers, making it the 3rd biggest number of designers for the Folio.

 

There were some criticisms of the PRs and the website. I can’t say much about them, but this is what some people said:

 


The progress reports (such as they were) were pretty much useless. As was the website. There was very little information on it and if was hard to find anything. It was also completely non-functional on my phone.

 

When asked what were they looking for, this was the response:

 

I was looking for the program schedule, just days before the con. Also tried to get details about several things, I don’t remember what now, but most menu items led to a blank page.

 

The only other criticism involved the slow response for inquiries regarding sponsoring the Hospitality. The website said details would be forthcoming, but it never was announced. In our case, we didn’t get the answer we needed until the Tuesday before the con. I understand the CC37 committee had a similar experience.

 

Group: runacc Message: 3240 From: casamai Date: 5/22/2017
Subject: SLCG CC35 Report – The Hotel

We heard from several people, not just ours, about the problems with hotel reservations. Some problems are probably beyond the control of the con committees, but those in the future need to constantly be on the alert when things get squirrely and act quickly. Speaking of which, it has some real squirrely issues with reservations. A lot of the problems seemed to center around the hotel claiming the reservation block was “full”. It wasn’t really the case, but for Nora’s and my part, we had to jump through several hoops and make three different reservations in order to hold our room for the 5 days. That’s ridiculous. As of result of our multiple reservations our room keys stopped working a couple of times due to the three different reservations. They replaced them readily but it was annoying to us to do so..

 

As for the hotel facilities. It was a very nice hotel. Nicely sized rooms, although they were oddly laid out from the standpoint of storage: there was more shelving than dresser drawers. The hotel had two towers, and the function space was split between the two. That meant that conference attendees had to keep travelling from one tower to the other. Fortunately, the walks weren’t too long and the meeting rooms were on split between two floors. The restaurant service was slow, but the food was fairly decent. On the plus side, the con negotiated free parking(!) and there was a goodly sized hot tub – yay!

 

 

I had drawers in my room and a towel bar in my bathroom but I had to go outside the room block to get my room. When I tried to make my reservation, it said there were no more rooms. So, I got on the hotel’s website and found a nice king room.

 

 

Unlike the staffs at the CC 32 and 34 hotels, the staff at this hotel were very friendly and welcoming, especially those in he dining room. I was very pleased.

 

In response to that opinion:

I will agree with that. We only ate there a couple of times. Service wasn’t quick, but the staff was friendly and the manager on Thursday morning was taking notes and implemented them on Friday.

 

There were a couple of things about how the function space was utilized, but that will be covered under their respective topics.

 

Group: runacc Message: 3241 From: casamai Date: 5/22/2017
Subject: SLCG CC35 Report – The Con Suite

Some of the same staffers from CC32’s Con Suite ran this year’s room. While they were efficient at their work, there were some occasional awkward interactions between them that made things slightly uncomfortable for people. They were also a little controlling at times because they were trying to make sure enough people had a chance to get what was laid out.

 

 

While we didn’t run into the bad side of the staffers, we did hear them referred to as “food Nazis”.

 

Here’s one experience:

 

I was accosted by one of them while making a sandwich. “Only one piece of meat and only one slice of cheese per person”, I was admonished; keeping in mind that neither the meat nor cheese had been cut large enough to cover the slice of bread they were supplying.

 

They went on:
I also noted that the table was rarely refilled until it was entirely empty.

 

(I’ll break in here and say it didn’t happen every time, but the fact is it happened at least one and was witnessed by more than one of our folks.)

 

Continuing their narrative:


I can certainly understand if there was a budget issue to cover food.Seeing similar sparseness in the green rooms and social would likely lead to that conclusion. However, trying to stretch the budget to cover everything was the wrong move.

 

Points go to them for having some form of protein (even if it was just cut up pieces of hot dogs) most times when the room was open.

 

However:

We were disappointed in the lack of drinkables. Things needed to be labeled – not necessarily in detail, but what they were (sour cream vs. plain vs. vinegar chips, for example).

 

(For my part, I was fine with the selection, but I happened to like the diet Mango soda. But that was just me.)

I will say they did a good job of provisioning the suite for the SLCG Sunday morning sponsorship. If anything, not enough people swung by to take advantage of spread. I assume the leftovers got eaten later on.

 

And last:

 

Every time I tried to get into the <con suite> after CC 37’s Friday-night sponsorship, it was closed. If you’re going to open for breakfast, you need to be open well before 9:00 AM at a con at which programming began at 9. I rate it a failure.

 

Group: runacc Message: 3242 From: casamai Date: 5/23/2017
Subject: SLCG CC35 Report – Registration

The staff was efficient, seemingly comprised mostly of CC newbies (who experience at other conventions)? While there was a Program Book and a separate schedule, we were a little disappointed that there were no “goodie bags” with freebies. We would have liked to have had the map in the Program Book be detachable so that we didn’t have to carry it around. We don’t remember if there was a free-standing map somewhere in the hotel hallways.

 

 

I ripped my map out of the program book. I will give the registration folks kudos. I had an unusual request for them regarding <an> unused membership. They were able to accomodate me after asking me to write up my request and sign it.

 

Make a note, future concoms: People like signage.

 

 

I did not see any overall map in the lobby or halls — like the one at 34 — however, there were a lot of signs pointing you to various rooms. What was missing was the usual list of events scheduled for each room, normally posted on or next to a room’s door.

 

Group: runacc Message: 3243 From: casamai Date: 5/23/2017
Subject: SLCG CC35 Report – Single Pattern Show and Social

There were lots of good entries this year, with an adequate number of recognitions for awards (unlike my show last year). The show was very well organized and ran very smoothly. The director even allowed the flexibility for people to come early to be judged, leave, then come back in time before the show. There was no tech rehearsal, but the show went off without a hitch. It got high marks from Kevin.

 

As for the Social, there was cabaret-style seating, which made things easy to move around. However there were reports that there was not enough food on hand earl. Supposedly more was brought out later. So the food supply got mixed reviews:

 

 

Not nearly enough food to begin with. It seemed like the hotel staff didn’t want to restock the food during the Single Pattern. They did eventually restock, but I thought it was too long after the contest ended. They should have had plenty of food ready to go and hauled it out just as the show ended.

 

Also:

 

 

Yeah, I’d like to see an announcement about food at the social. There have been some where I went out to eat before, only to discover they were practically serving a meal.

 

And:

 

Second the not enough food. It started at 7, we got there about 7:25, and there was nothing left. While they did bring out a little more, it was still not enough. Bigger problem: while they had coffee and hot water, and a cash bar (all of which are OK), there was NO water service. If you wanted water, you had to buy bottled water from the bar for $5. NOT OK.

 

And this advice:

 

 

As to the social and green rooms; if there isn’t sufficient budget to supply both, then the proper move is to announce that there will be no food service at the social and simply supply the cash bar. It is, after all, just a party.

 

From backstage:

 

 

I  was able to get food, both pizza and veggies. Later they brought out some more pizza. The problem I noted was that there were no drinks.

 

Group: runacc Message: 3244 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 5/24/2017
Subject: Re: SLCG CC35 Report – Single Pattern Show and Social

food
came out in stages all night, and when the party was over I was one of the last people out, and there was still some food and some pizza left uneaten

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On Tue, 5/23/17, casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [runacc] SLCG CC35 Report – Single Pattern Show and Social
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 23, 2017, 8:56 PM

There were lots of good entries this year,
with an adequate number of recognitions for awards (unlike
my show last year). The show was very well organized and
ran very smoothly. The director even allowed the
flexibility for people to come early to be judged, leave,
then come back in time before the show. There was no tech
rehearsal, but the show went off without a hitch. It got
high marks from Kevin.

As for the Social, there was cabaret-style seating, which
made things easy to move around. However there were reports
that there was not enough food on hand earl. Supposedly
more was brought out later. So the food supply got mixed
reviews:

Not nearly enough food to begin with. It seemed like the
hotel staff didn’t want to restock the food during the
Single Pattern. They did eventually restock, but I thought
it was too long after the contest ended. They should have
had plenty of food ready to go and hauled it out just as the
show ended.

Also:

Yeah, I’d like to see an announcement about food at the
social. There have been some where I went out to eat
before, only to discover they were practically serving a
meal.

And:

Second the not enough food. It
started at 7, we got there about 7:25, and there was nothing
left. While they did bring out a little more, it was still
not enough. Bigger problem: while they had coffee and hot
water, and a cash bar (all of which are OK), there was NO
water service. If you wanted water, you had to buy bottled
water from the bar for $5. NOT OK.

And this advice:

As to the social and green rooms; if there isn’t
sufficient budget to supply both, then the proper move is to
announce that there will be no food service
at the social and simply supply the cash bar. It is, after
all, just a party.

From backstage:

I  was able to get food, both pizza and veggies. Later
they brought out some more pizza. The problem I noted was
that there were no drinks.

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Group: runacc Message: 3245 From: casamai Date: 5/24/2017
Subject: SLCG CC35 Report – Programming

There were 4 programming tracks, which seemed to be the right number, as all of the panels appeared to have good-sized audiences. There were several workshops and demos, which seems to be the way to go these days. We are aware of only 3 cancellations and one where there was a last minute schedule shift. We also hear the hotel kept shifting rooms on the staff, requiring to them to scramble to make other last minute schedule changes.

 

 

I got to more program items than I usually do, and all were quite good. I attended the Worbla workshop and was very happy with it. However, the program folks neglected to include it in the sign up sheets. Luckily one of the other attendees was aggressive enough to get a sheet added and I happened to be standing there at the time. Since it was the workshop I most wanted to attend, my name was second on the list. Only 20 slots were available and I think the listed ended up with close to 30 names.

 

Unfortunately the other panels I wanted to attend most, the local Carnivale groups, all fell through. Two separate groups were supposed to give panels and neither showed. The first group was contacted after they didn’t make their Saturday panel (after, apparently, they had called and said they would be jut a little late), and agreed to come in on Sunday. And then they didn’t show up then as well.

 

 

…we did hold a meet up for masquerade runners. Even though it was at 9:00 AM on Sunday(!), about a dozen of us participated. Some…. showed up at 9 and stayed till 11. Others left earlier or arrived at a more civilized hour. We actually discussed how we do things for two hours. As a group, we were both knowledgable an opinionated. I’d like to see a little more of this kind of programming included at future CCs.

 

Originally, we’d heard that there was to be no Monday programming, which is why our group made the decision to go shopping that day. Then, shortly before we left for Toronto, an announcement was made (via the PR and social media) that there WOULD be programming. It was way past time for the Archives to do any Road Show stuff.

 

I’d be interested to hear how successful Monday programming was.

 

Group: runacc Message: 3246 From: casamai Date: 5/24/2017
Subject: SLCG CC35 Report – F & SF Masquerade and Green Room

All three evening shows appeared to be on the schedule for 7 PM, but we weren’t aware that was the time for opening the doors. But starting earlier was probably a good idea, since both the SF and the Historical ran later than expected.

There were almost as many masquerade entrants this year as there were for CC32 (79 vs. 87). Considering CC35 was half the size of CC32, this was an unusually large masquerade, and the second largest in CC history. The overall quality of workmanship was higher than 3 years ago.

 

The Green Room, unlike at CC32, was better-sized. However, it was not connected to the Main Hall, necessitating people having to walk down the outer hall along the back of the Hall, down the side and wait in line to enter the stage area.

 

Tech Rehearsals ran about 30 minutes behind, supposedly due to the crew running late. Mandatory tech rehearsals were probably a good idea. But they had to cram all the entries into roughly a 4 ½ hour time period. This had an impact on the run order being late.

 

 

Running orders are ALWAYS late. That means that the green room staff’s hands are tied in terms of even organizing the dens let alone assigning entrants to them. MDs seem to feel they have to wait until after the tech rehearsal to set the running order.

 

The Green Room doors opened a little earlier than usual – 3 PM – and a lot of people took advantage of it. Problem was, the Green Room crew was not prepared to organize people into dens because of the lack of a run order. Nora and I got down there around 5:00 PM, and it still hadn’t shown up for at least another half an hour. In addition, there appeared to be a shortage of den moms – there were only 5- 6 that we know of – maybe there were more. And, probably because everyone had gotten to the Green Room so early, the snacks disappeared early on and were never replenished. It was probably the usual “locust” syndrome with that many people in the room with nothing to do.

 

 

The green room food is intended for a specific purpose; giving the contestants sufficient salt, sugar, fluids and protein to maintain them during a long and arduous event.  ….wherever you are supplying food, make sure it is resupplied frequently through the event so late comers have access as well.

 

Don’t know when Workmanship judging started, but it took a while.

The seeming shortage of den moms also impacted the smoothness of the organization for getting people to the Workmanship judges, official photo and for judges’ reference photos. So what wound up happening was a huge long line of people waiting for Workmanship. Right next to the judging area was Official Photography, which was a bit of a traffic headache at times. Ordinarily, the den moms would be helping to direct contestants to these stations, thus preventing some of these problems. Since there were no dens yet, people were told to sit anywhere until such time as they had the run order. And since there wasn’t anything else to do, that’s why everyone got in line to get judged.

 

One of our members was told, “… it is difficult to recruit den moms at Toronto-area cons because den moms do not share the prestige of ninjas. I don’t understand why ninjas enjoy prestige; however, it may be related to the way they interact with entrants on stage during as show (which I find objectionable). I suspect that the den moms were few in number and lacking in experience for this reason. I also suspect they had not been given a thorough briefing by the green room manager, since they didn’t seem to be doing much of anything.

 

The running order didn’t show up until less than an hour before the start of the masquerade, and it seemed to be the order in which people must have signed up for tech rehearsals. This was a problem for us because we had wanted to be later in the lineup and we were #6. Fortunately, the backstage crew and ninjas were very attentive and accommodating. We learned of a couple of gals who were #19 who were more than willing to swap with them.

 

 

Green room: very disorganized. Check in should have been by the door, instead it was across the room and not marked, we had to search around to find it. Our den person was nice but very inexperienced, so didn’t do much. We were pretty self-contained, so we got downtown to the green room toward the end of the reporting time. There was NO food left. It was a good thing I brought my own water bottle, as the water ran out before we got on stage. Then there was the line for photos and workmanship. We stood there until it was time to go on stage (about 2 hours). We ended up having photos and judging after our presentation.

There should have been either a list to put your name on when ready, or taken by dens to photos and judging.

 

As for the F & SF show itself, it appeared to run efficiently and was well-paced. It was nice to see Gordon Rose as MC again. There were no real tech glitches – the crew was the same as the one that runs Anime North, so they’re very experienced.

 

As I said earlier, the quality of the costume entries was higher than the previous Toronto CC. There was really no drek – just differences in level of experience. If there’s any way to describe it, there were fewer people who were just getting up on stage to cosplay their favorite characters. They were there were making serious attempts at expressing the costuming art. Not surprisingly, given the demographics and geographics, the masq was still heavily recreation-filled.

 

Because of all the entries everything took longer, including the photo run. For future CCs, especially Montreal, we recommend following the Archon model for photo runs . Basically, each entry hits three points across the stage, Stage Left to Stage Right. Once that first entry moves to the second position, the following entry goes to Position 1. When the first entry moves to Position 3, the second entry moves to Position 2 and the third entry takes position 1. And they rotate off the stage. This might make it harder for Steward Hartman to direct, though.

 

That all said, even with the photo run proceeding one at a time, the Archives video segment and announcements, the judges still hadn’t come back, so the tech crew ran video from last year’s Anime North. By the time all the awards were announced we didn’t get to bed until 1:30 AM. A looooooong night. Many people bailed long before that – it was pretty much the diehards and the contestants left – and even some of them went to bed.

 

Regarding the awards, they appeared to be balanced and appropriate for the number of contestants and quality. Given the amount of time it took for judging, Philip Gust suggested that perhaps Workmanship judging should be done earlier in the day or even on Friday, just like the Historical pre-judging

 

Group: runacc Message: 3247 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/27/2017
Subject: SLCG CC35 Report – Future Fashion folio Show

There were 17 entrants.   That’s apparently an adequate number of entries for the size of the con.   We thought it started late, but as mentioned earlier, the scheduled time must have been when doors opened.  

The MC for the show seemed unfamiliar with the format of the show – she may have been an MC for an anime con, but we didn’t know who she was.   This criticism aside, the number of awards was appropriate, including little prizes at the con for the attending designers.

… it was nice seeing the designers being recognized.  Extra points to <Folio Director> Trixie.

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3248 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/27/2017
Subject: SLCG CC35 Report – Historical Masquerade

Pre-judging:  

One judge ran the show as far as prejudging went (and possibly in general; there was talk that one of the judges was at a lot of the historical panels during the weekend – did he need to learn what to look for?).  They wisely had the next participant to be judged set their items on a separate table, so they could just move smoothly between tables <given that each contestant only had 5 minutes> this is was critical.

The size of the Historical masq was fairly significant – just under 30, with a large number of novices.   Also, this masq was a bit unorthodox with some of the entries.  A few of the costumes seemed more appropriate for the SF masquerade, but they must have been based on something historical(?).   Pushing the boundaries of the rules for what qualifies as a “historical costume” (anything before 1980), the Best In Show presentation was a recreation from a Tom Baker-era Doctor Who episode.

There were a few technical glitches, but they were mostly minor – only one remount.   The MC came in for the most criticism   She drew too much attention to herself, making “humorous” comments after every entry, and often failing to announce the contestant names.  (I would have preferred having the Skill Division repeated, also).

The Historical MC was very distracting. She was another of those MC’s who seem to think they are the center of the show. A bit spurious, but perhaps potential MC’s should be required to view video of proper MC technique and pass a quiz before being allowed to MC. I was also a bit confused about the more SF entries. True, they were likely technically eligible, and the Doctor Who recreation was wonderful, but I would really like to know the  source of each entry, and that wasn’t supplied by the MC, as well as occasionally missing things like the entrant’s name, or division.

It took a while for presentation judging again, but not as long as the previous night.  Still, there was a lot of time to fill.    Eventually, the awards were  announced in a fairly brisk manner because the tech equipment had to be struck that night.

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3249 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/27/2017
Subject: SLCG CC35 Report – Dealers Room

Not big, but not small either – there were 18 vendors.   But as usual, after so many years of attending cons, they didn’t really have much of anything we were in need of.  Nonetheless, they supposedly did “okay” business.   

Gotta say I was disappointed in the dealer room.  I took a slow walk through just after it opened.  My thought was, “Is this it?”

I haven’t seen a dealers’ room that had much of interest since CC 30. This was no worse than usual.

Perhaps a poll needs to be put out to see what people would like to see?

There was supposedly a room scheduling problem with the hotel for where the Dealers Room and where the Green Room would be – Dawn can fill you in on that if she chooses.    Either the Green Room had to be on the lower floor or the Dealers Room had to be.  They opted (rightly, under the circumstance) to put the Green Room upstairs.  But this meant there was no elevator for the vendors to bring down their wares in.

…and the lack of elevator was a problem for those who had mobility issues.

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3250 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/27/2017
Subject: SLCG CC35 Report – Exhibits

There was no costume exhibit.  There was a smallish quilting exhibit, with just a few entries in the contest.

The Doll Exhibit was quite large, with enthusiastic monitors offering history and other information to anyone  willing to listen.   However, with all the dolls in the room, only a few were entered in the Doll Costume Contest.

Most of the dolls, I was told, came from two individuals’ collections.

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3251 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/27/2017
Subject: SLCG CC35 Report – Dead Dog Party (?) and Wrap Up

Once again, we were disappointed that there wasn’t a “proper” Dead Dog party.  We heard there was supposed to be one Monday afternoon, but most of our crew was out shopping most of the day, so we completely missed it.   I had offered to run some video somewhere in the evening, but no one on the staff took me up on it. Really, there needs to be an evening party.  

Monday has always been a day for field trips and shopping. The dead dog belongs in the evening.

The energy of the conference, while not as frenetic as CC32, was still high and enjoyable.   It was a  good enough con, with its share of minor problems  Most faults were found in the areas of the Dealers Room, the lack of a proper Dead Dog, the Historical MC and some of the rules, plus “limited availability of the con suite” by some people’s measure.  These cons were offset by some of the programming, the staff, the hotel staff and the free parking(!) “pros.

Overall, averaging out all the opinions, CC35 got a B+.

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3252 From: beckieboo817 Date: 5/28/2017
Subject: Hotel for CC36

Hi everyone,

 

Wanted to let you all know that the hotel rooms for Costume-Con 36 is open and available for reservations.  You can go to cc36sandiego.org to book your rooms.

 

Group: runacc Message: 3253 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/8/2017
Subject: Re: SLCG CC35 Report – Dealers Room

 

” the Green Room had to be on the lower floor or the Dealers Room had to be.  They opted (rightly, under the circumstance) to put the Green Room upstairs.  But this meant there was no elevator for the
vendors to bring down their wares in.”

 

 

Yes that is largely correct. Although there  was a side entrance at ground level on the west side of the hotel, under the parking canopy. I’m not sure if this was badly communicated or what transpired as vendors wasn’t my area.

 

With the space the hotel initially rented the con, the original plan by the chair was to have the greenroom in the basement where the vendors where and the dealers up in the room where the greenroom ended up being, (next to the main room).

 

A few of us regulars were strident in our insistance that it be changed. I was also concerned about the mobility issues especially being aware that many of the CC regulars use scooters, etc. (My power was limited however, since I had only volunteered to
help with panels, so I’m glad that the chair and dealers room coordinator eventually acquiesed to the change.)

 

 

 

 

 

** Another note about a former aspect of the review. The hotel did change the function space on CC35 repeatedly, including the number of rooms, the amount of space, the towers, the floors, (inconviencing the workshop panelists that wanted to use the patios), often
weekly, and even daily. There were several changes the week of the con, including a room change Thursday night. >_> The hotel also changed owners and operators during their rennovation. I imagine this accounts for much of the booking issues that people were
reporting as well.

 

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 


From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: May 27, 2017 11:41 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] SLCG CC35 Report – Dealers Room

 

Not big, but not small either – there were 18 vendors.   But as usual, after so many years of attending cons, they didn’t really have much of anything we were in need of.
Nonetheless, they supposedly did “okay” business.   

Gotta say I was disappointed in the dealer room.  I took a slow walk through just after it opened.  My thought was, “Is this it?”

I haven’t seen a dealers’ room that had much of interest since CC 30. This was no worse than usual.

Perhaps a poll needs to be put out to see what people would like to see?

There was supposedly a room scheduling problem with the hotel for where the Dealers Room and where the Green Room would be – Dawn can fill you in on that if she chooses.    Either the Green Room
had to be on the lower floor or the Dealers Room had to be.  They opted (rightly, under the circumstance) to put the Green Room upstairs.  But this meant there was no elevator for the vendors to bring down their wares in.

…and the lack of elevator was a problem for those who had mobility issues.

 

 

 

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Group: runacc Message: 3154 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 11/29/2016
Subject: Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 3155 From: costumrs Date: 11/29/2016
Subject: Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 3156 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 11/29/2016
Subject: CC35 was:Re: [runacc] Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 3157 From: beckieboo817 Date: 11/29/2016
Subject: panelists and memberships
Group: runacc Message: 3158 From: Byron Connell Date: 11/29/2016
Subject: Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 3159 From: Byron Connell Date: 11/29/2016
Subject: Re: panelists and memberships
Group: runacc Message: 3160 From: Kevin Roche Date: 11/29/2016
Subject: Re: panelists and memberships
Group: runacc Message: 3161 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 11/29/2016
Subject: Re: panelists and memberships
Group: runacc Message: 3162 From: beckieboo817 Date: 11/30/2016
Subject: Dealer’s rooms
Group: runacc Message: 3163 From: Kaijugal . Date: 11/30/2016
Subject: Re: CC35 was:Re: [runacc] Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 3164 From: spiritof_76 Date: 11/30/2016
Subject: Re: panelists and memberships
Group: runacc Message: 3165 From: ma0902432 Date: 11/30/2016
Subject: Re: panelists and memberships
Group: runacc Message: 3166 From: ma0902432 Date: 11/30/2016
Subject: Re: CC35 was:Re: [runacc] Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 3167 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 11/30/2016
Subject: Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 3168 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 11/30/2016
Subject: Re: panelists and memberships
Group: runacc Message: 3169 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 11/30/2016
Subject: Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 3170 From: ma0902432 Date: 12/1/2016
Subject: Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 3171 From: Marg Grady Date: 12/2/2016
Subject: Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 3172 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 12/2/2016
Subject: Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 3173 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 12/4/2016
Subject: Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 3174 From: Kaijugal . Date: 12/4/2016
Subject: CC35 Consuite
Group: runacc Message: 3175 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 12/4/2016
Subject: Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 3176 From: Byron Connell Date: 12/4/2016
Subject: Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 3177 From: casamai Date: 12/4/2016
Subject: Document files for future reference
Group: runacc Message: 3178 From: casamai Date: 12/4/2016
Subject: The Dead Dog Party – Traditions and Expections continued
Group: runacc Message: 3179 From: ma0902432 Date: 12/5/2016
Subject: Re: The Dead Dog Party – Traditions and Expections continued
Group: runacc Message: 3180 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 12/5/2016
Subject: Re: The Dead Dog Party – Traditions and Expections continued
Group: runacc Message: 3181 From: Sharon Sbarsky Date: 12/5/2016
Subject: Re: The Dead Dog Party – Traditions and Expections continued
Group: runacc Message: 3182 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 12/5/2016
Subject: Re: CC35 Consuite
Group: runacc Message: 3183 From: Sharon Sbarsky Date: 12/5/2016
Subject: Re: CC35 Consuite
Group: runacc Message: 3184 From: Kevin Roche Date: 12/5/2016
Subject: Re: Document files for future reference
Group: runacc Message: 3185 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 12/5/2016
Subject: Re: Document files for future reference
Group: runacc Message: 3186 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 12/5/2016
Subject: Re: Document files for future reference
Group: runacc Message: 3187 From: Kaijugal . Date: 12/5/2016
Subject: Re: Document files for future reference
Group: runacc Message: 3188 From: Kevin Roche Date: 12/5/2016
Subject: Re: Document files for future reference
Group: runacc Message: 3189 From: Sharon Sbarsky Date: 12/5/2016
Subject: Re: Document files for future reference
Group: runacc Message: 3190 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 12/5/2016
Subject: Re: Document files for future reference
Group: runacc Message: 3191 From: Kevin Roche Date: 12/5/2016
Subject: Re: Document files for future reference
Group: runacc Message: 3192 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 12/5/2016
Subject: Re: The Dead Dog Party – Traditions and Expections continued
Group: runacc Message: 3193 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 12/5/2016
Subject: Re: Document files for future reference
Group: runacc Message: 3194 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 12/5/2016
Subject: Re: Document files for future reference
Group: runacc Message: 3195 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 12/6/2016
Subject: Re: The Dead Dog Party – Traditions and Expections continued
Group: runacc Message: 3196 From: ECM Date: 12/6/2016
Subject: Re: panelists and memberships
Group: runacc Message: 3197 From: ECM Date: 12/6/2016
Subject: Re: The Dead Dog Party – Traditions and Expections continued
Group: runacc Message: 3198 From: ma0902432 Date: 12/7/2016
Subject: Re: The Dead Dog Party – Traditions and Expections continued
Group: runacc Message: 3199 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 12/7/2016
Subject: Re: The Dead Dog Party – Traditions and Expections continued
Group: runacc Message: 3200 From: Marg Grady Date: 12/10/2016
Subject: Re: The Dead Dog Party – Traditions and Expections continued
Group: runacc Message: 3201 From: casamai Date: 12/11/2016
Subject: Masquerade Halftime Acitivities – Traditions and Expectations
Group: runacc Message: 3202 From: 57bebdc5a1eb9ba0b0bcaa20009c38c5 Date: 12/12/2016
Subject: Re: Masquerade Halftime Acitivities – Traditions and Expectations
Group: runacc Message: 3203 From: spiritof_76 Date: 12/12/2016
Subject: Re: Masquerade Halftime Acitivities – Traditions and Expectations

 


 

Group: runacc Message: 3154 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 11/29/2016
Subject: Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite

Technically it’s Bruce – he’s writing this all up but I am part of the discussion.

I like the idea of the shout-out at the Social including the successive years attendance.
We love doing the CC101 panels – it helps us connect to the newbies and gives them a couple of “familiar” faces right off the bat.

Nora
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On Tue, 11/29/16, lisa58@juno.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [runacc] Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 29, 2016, 8:37 AM

Hi Nora, so glad you are running this
“series” ofnotes.

Just wanted to pipe in that I like the *new* CC tradition of
having
ribbons and “CC 101” panels for first time attendees.
Wanted to suggest
something that’s been done at my PA conferences for a while
now: at one
of the talks where pretty much the entire conference
attends, they have
people stand up who are new to the profession, and we all
applaud.  Later
they wil have people stand up in increments, i.e. 5 years,
10 years, etc.
That’s also kind of cool, where you get to know who are the
“elders” of
hte profession.  In our case, perhaps we could have
something at the
Friday night Social where attendees could stand or raise
hands if it’s
their first CC. I love talking to new attendees and finding
out how they
found us!

Lisa a

 

Group: runacc Message: 3155 From: costumrs Date: 11/29/2016
Subject: Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite

 

I’m not sure that was 14. you competed in the FSF that year. (You drafted me as a body).  Unless it was at the Historical .
Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone

——– Original message ——–
From: “Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 11/29/16 7:29 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: Run a CC List <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [runacc] Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite

 

I seem to recall CC14 offered snacks during deliberations. I was one of the snack carriers, IIRC.

 

 

On Nov 29, 2016 8:02 AM, “‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I stand corrected.   You’re right about Sunday night.   I’d forgotten about that.

 

The decision of what time to be open is sort of up to the committee, I suppose.  I seem to recall in the past that a number of staffers have run up sometime during the awards to get ready.

 

Putting snacks in the ballroom foyer is an interesting idea.   Might draw away from the goings-on during deliberation, but it could be a good calculated risk.   I almost want to say this was done once before (CC21?), but I could be wrong.   Could be worth the calculated risk, though.  Of course, that would be an additional cost to the con you just have to factor in to expenses.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com ]
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 12:40 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite

 

So I have some questions:

Does NOT being open during the major events tradition mean the first run, or including the break for the judges and the awards?

And in either case, is the opening expected to be IMMEDIATELY or give the Con Suite staff and/or Sponsor staff a chance to setup? If immediate, that means the staff may need to miss the end of the show or awards…

In CC33, DC17 was sponsoring the Con Suite on Saturday night, but since Warren and I were both in the show, but NIC, we started setting up after we were on stage and were ready by the time the awards ended (and a bit before.)

I had heard the tradition was for the CC THREE years hence to sponsor Sunday night after the selection was announced during the Historical. In fact at CC34, Aurora and i started taking memberships during the Judges’ break and Photo Op outside the Ballroom (she had a young baby that might limit how long she could stay up.) I had assumed that there were some spots that made sense (like selling memberships for the just selected CC) but that each future CC, guild chapters, other cons or bids may choose which slot works best for them (giving priority to future CCs.)

We n(CC37) were also thinking of allocating some of the required F&B to have hotel snack tables (cookies, cheese & crackers, clean fruit, etc.) in the Ballroom foyer during the Judges’ break/Photo Op. That may help to keep people around and delay the need to rush to the Con Suite. Thoughts?

 

Sharon

 

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 1:19 PM, casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I should also add that the Con Suite has traditionally NOT been open during the major vents.   This is both to encourage people to attend the shows but more importantly, to ensure that there is not a shortage of refreshments by the time the audience AND participants have left a masquerade.

 

I also neglected to mention that traditionally, the next year’s committee has hosted the Suite on Saturday night, while the committee 2 years hence have hosted on Sunday night.

 

One more recent development has been the committees seeking out other conventions or Guild chapters to host the Suite at other times.  This has been nice, but not necessary.   The SLCG has often been sponsoring  Sunday mornings in the Suite.

 

Bruce

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3156 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 11/29/2016
Subject: CC35 was:Re: [runacc] Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite
Speaking of, has anyone heard from CC35 about con suite sponsorship?  CC36 and CC37 have both inquired with no acknowledgement or reply.

~Aurora

 

 

On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 8:56 PM, casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

So.  Now that I have time to put some thoughts
together again, I want to get back to a previous discussion about Costume-Con
traditions.

 

 

To set the
stage for discussion, it’s been observed that there are fewer people from the
con’s history who are willing to run a con anymore.   They’ve done their time, hence the “Never
Again Club” (a tradition in itself ).   Fortunatley, there are new groups who are
willing to host a CC, bringing new ideas with them. 

 

 

 

 

 

In the past,
CCs were hosted by committee members who had already attended one or more
cons.   But due to economic realities,
there are more committees where many have not attended ANY CCs before their
own.  Working a Costume-Con is not the
same experience as attending one.    This can lead to the mistaken assumption that
if one has worked or organized any other fan-run convention, the principles are
the same.   This is true only up to a
point.  Costume-Con was modeled on
general SF cons, but it has its own unique community and thus its own
culture.   That community has certain
expectations  that are not defined by the
CC Constitution.

 

 

It’s assumed
that the future committees want to help continue those traditions, but it’s
difficult to do so when they’ve not attended and there’s no documentation
existing to help them.  

 

 

So let’s
revisit the discussion identifying traditions, the pros and cons and answer any
questions that might crop up along the way.

 

 

 

 

 

The Con
Suite

 

 

Believe it
or not, the Con Suite is NOT mandated by the Constitution.  But it is a longstanding tradition to have a
place to relax and where upcoming committees can host parties after the
masquerades.  Also, it is NOT required
that the Con Suite to provide so much food that attendees don’t need to go
somewhere to find a meal.   That can get
very expensive, and it makes it difficult to predict how much to procure,
possibly leading to waste.   At a
minimum, all that needs to be provided are light snacks, a variety of beverages
and sufficient seating.   There is no
requirement that the Con Suite make special accommodations for dietary
needs.  It’s a courtesy, but not
mandatory.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3157 From: beckieboo817 Date: 11/29/2016
Subject: panelists and memberships

So, how many panels must someone be on before they’re comped for a membership?  Or are they ever comped a membership?

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3158 From: Byron Connell Date: 11/29/2016
Subject: Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite

 

It strikes me as a nice idea for the Social, too.

 

Byron

 

 

On Nov 29, 2016, at 9:57 AM, Bruce & Nora Mai casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Technically it’s Bruce – he’s writing this all up but I am part of the discussion.

I like the idea of the shout-out at the Social including the successive years attendance.
We love doing the CC101 panels – it helps us connect to the newbies and gives them a couple of “familiar” faces right off the bat.

Nora
——————————————–
On Tue, 11/29/16, lisa58@juno.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [runacc] Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 29, 2016, 8:37 AM

Hi Nora, so glad you are running this
“series” ofnotes.

Just wanted to pipe in that I like the *new* CC tradition of
having
ribbons and “CC 101” panels for first time attendees. 
Wanted to suggest
something that’s been done at my PA conferences for a while
now: at one
of the talks where pretty much the entire conference
attends, they have
people stand up who are new to the profession, and we all
applaud.  Later
they wil have people stand up in increments, i.e. 5 years,
10 years, etc.
That’s also kind of cool, where you get to know who are the
“elders” of
hte profession.  In our case, perhaps we could have
something at the
Friday night Social where attendees could stand or raise
hands if it’s
their first CC. I love talking to new attendees and finding
out how they
found us!


Lisa a

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3159 From: Byron Connell Date: 11/29/2016
Subject: Re: panelists and memberships

 

In my experience, everyone pays and no one is comped (including the members of the concom). That certainly has been the case for the CC’s I’ve worked on. However, I can’t speak for other CCs.

 

Byron

 

 

On Nov 29, 2016, at 6:41 PM, beckieboo817@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

So, how many panels must someone be on before they’re comped for a membership?  Or are they ever comped a membership?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3160 From: Kevin Roche Date: 11/29/2016
Subject: Re: panelists and memberships
Costume-Con 26 ran on the “Worldcon” model — after we were done and knew we were in the black, we started processing refunds for staff, volunteers and program participants. (It took much longer than I wanted because our treasurer seems to work for every convention in the Bay Area every year, but we did eventually get them sent out. I couldn’t dissolve the corporation until that happened.)

Since CC, Worldcon and Westercon are traveling conventions run by a different group every year, there’s no dependable pot of money in advance to cover the overhead for a bunch of comped memberships. You can, however, easily include a line item in your planned expenses in the budget for refunds as one of your possible post-con expenses.

Kevin

 

 

On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Byron Connell byronpconnell@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

In my experience, everyone pays and no one is comped (including the members of the concom). That certainly has been the case for the CC’s I’ve worked on. However, I can’t speak for other CCs.

Byron

 

 

On Nov 29, 2016, at 6:41 PM, beckieboo817@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

So, how many panels must someone be on before they’re comped for a membership?  Or are they ever comped a membership?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3161 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 11/29/2016
Subject: Re: panelists and memberships

It’s generally been the rule not to comp memberships for folks who also participate in the activities (compete, judge), but CCXV did offer comps to stage crew who were there to work and not to attend panels and such, and we offered a few scholarships to students who were too short on funds to attend.

Kids in tow were free (up to age 12, IIRC) as long as they were attending with a paid adult.

-Betsy

 

 

On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 8:28 PM, Kevin Roche kevin@twistedimage.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Costume-Con 26 ran on the “Worldcon” model — after we were done and knew we were in the black, we started processing refunds for staff, volunteers and program participants. (It took much longer than I wanted because our treasurer seems to work for every convention in the Bay Area every year, but we did eventually get them sent out. I couldn’t dissolve the corporation until that happened.)

Since CC, Worldcon and Westercon are traveling conventions run by a different group every year, there’s no dependable pot of money in advance to cover the overhead for a bunch of comped memberships. You can, however, easily include a line item in your planned expenses in the budget for refunds as one of your possible post-con expenses.

Kevin

 

 

On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Byron Connell byronpconnell@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

In my experience, everyone pays and no one is comped (including the members of the concom). That certainly has been the case for the CC’s I’ve worked on. However, I can’t speak for other CCs.

Byron

 

 

On Nov 29, 2016, at 6:41 PM, beckieboo817@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

So, how many panels must someone be on before they’re comped for a membership?  Or are they ever comped a membership?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3162 From: beckieboo817 Date: 11/30/2016
Subject: Dealer’s rooms

Will previous CC’s please let me know what kind of paperwork they have used for their dealer’s room applications?

 

Group: runacc Message: 3163 From: Kaijugal . Date: 11/30/2016
Subject: Re: CC35 was:Re: [runacc] Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite
Aurora wrote: “Speaking of, has anyone heard from CC35 about con suite sponsorship? CC36 and CC37 have both inquired with no acknowledgement or reply.”

 

Last I heard they were still looking for someone to head the consuite. This may have been recently resolved. There is supposed to be a small meeting this week, I’ll poke the wolverine and see what’s up and encourage somebody to respond to those groups. *makes note*. [😊]

~Dawn

 

 

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Group: runacc Message: 3164 From: spiritof_76 Date: 11/30/2016
Subject: Re: panelists and memberships

Even with justifying this with the fact that CC is a small convention
that basically starts from scratch each year, this is a hard pill to
swallow for locals you are trying to recruit for concom, staff and
panelists who are accustomed to being comped for doing things at other
local conventions.

I feel you need to do what is best for your convention.

Michael

On 2016-11-29 16:27, Byron Connell byronpconnell@gmail.com [runacc]
wrote:

> In my experience, everyone pays and no one is comped (including the
> members of the concom). That certainly has been the case for the
> CC’s I’ve worked on. However, I can’t speak for other CCs.
>
> Byron
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 3165 From: ma0902432 Date: 11/30/2016
Subject: Re: panelists and memberships
There are no comped memberships, except occasionally a con has had a
“Special Guest” for whom it is offered. But that hasn’t been every con.
I’ve done programming for a couple of CC’s and that is something I have
always had to emphasize. Even members of the concom pay for memberships,
but of course you get a lower rate if you buy very early. And sometimes
there has been a “Staff rate”. The only comps I Can recall have been
tech crew who worked the Social and three shows, and STILL have to pay
for their hotel rooms.

I like the “scholarship” or subsidy for students who want to attend, some
sort of discount, and it will help bring in new folks.

Lisa a

On 29 Nov 2016 15:41:27 -0800 “beckieboo817@yahoo.com [runacc]”
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

So, how many panels must someone be on before they’re comped for a
membership? Or are they ever comped a membership?

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Group: runacc Message: 3166 From: ma0902432 Date: 11/30/2016
Subject: Re: CC35 was:Re: [runacc] Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite
I haven’t had anything about cc35 pop up in my email or FB.

Lisa a

On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 13:42:28 -0500 “Aurora Celeste
auroraceleste@gmail.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

Speaking of, has anyone heard from CC35 about con suite sponsorship?
CC36 and CC37 have both inquired with no acknowledgement or reply.

~Aurora

On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 8:56 PM, casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

So. Now that I have time to put some thoughts together again, I want to
get back to a previous discussion about Costume-Con traditions.

To set the stage for discussion, it�s been observed that there are fewer
people from the con�s history who are willing to run a con anymore.
They�ve done their time, hence the �Never Again Club� (a tradition in
itself ). Fortunatley, there are new groups who are willing to host a
CC, bringing new ideas with them.

In the past, CCs were hosted by committee members who had already
attended one or more cons. But due to economic realities, there are
more committees where many have not attended ANY CCs before their own.
Working a Costume-Con is not the same experience as attending one.
This can lead to the mistaken assumption that if one has worked or
organized any other fan-run convention, the principles are the same.
This is true only up to a point. Costume-Con was modeled on general SF
cons, but it has its own unique community and thus its own culture.
That community has certain expectations that are not defined by the CC
Constitution.
It�s assumed that the future committees want to help continue those
traditions, but it�s difficult to do so when they�ve not attended and
there�s no documentation existing to help them.
So let�s revisit the discussion identifying traditions, the pros and cons
and answer any questions that might crop up along the way.

The Con Suite
Believe it or not, the Con Suite is NOT mandated by the Constitution.
But it is a longstanding tradition to have a place to relax and where
upcoming committees can host parties after the masquerades. Also, it is
NOT required that the Con Suite to provide so much food that attendees
don�t need to go somewhere to find a meal. That can get very expensive,
and it makes it difficult to predict how much to procure, possibly
leading to waste. At a minimum, all that needs to be provided are light
snacks, a variety of beverages and sufficient seating. There is no
requirement that the Con Suite make special accommodations for dietary
needs. It�s a courtesy, but not mandatory.

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Group: runacc Message: 3167 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 11/30/2016
Subject: Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite

We’ve found that having an orientation panel (ie.CC 101) has been very beneficial to making a good first impression. Those that did not go and had a bad experience at the con tend to carry that through the weekend and just expect more bad things to happen rather than chalk it up to a one-time thing. Some of those people don’t come back It’s not fair, but there are a lot of people who operate that way. I’ve heard that it takes something like 5 good experiences to override one bad one.

As for the “shout outs”, I think it’s just as important to have the new people recognized in the audience. Not all the MCs or MDs remember to do this at some point. Just having people applauded can add to a positive experience.
And I think we’ve maybe already said something about this before, but we will be expressing certain expectations Nora and I will have for anyone who is given a “CC Veteran” ribbon in the future. We may not be handing them out so freely at future CCs.

Bruce

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 8:57 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite

Technically it’s Bruce – he’s writing this all up but I am part of the discussion.

I like the idea of the shout-out at the Social including the successive years attendance.
We love doing the CC101 panels – it helps us connect to the newbies and gives them a couple of “familiar” faces right off the bat.

Nora
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On Tue, 11/29/16, lisa58@juno.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [runacc] Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 29, 2016, 8:37 AM

Hi Nora, so glad you are running this
“series” of notes.

Just wanted to pipe in that I like the *new* CC tradition of having ribbons and “CC 101” panels for first time attendees. Wanted to suggest something that’s been done at my PA conferences for a while
now: at one
of the talks where pretty much the entire conference attends, they have people stand up who are new to the profession, and we all applaud. Later they wil have people stand up in increments, i.e. 5 years,
10 years, etc.
That’s also kind of cool, where you get to know who are the “elders” of hte profession. In our case, perhaps we could have something at the Friday night Social where attendees could stand or raise hands if it’s their first CC. I love talking to new attendees and finding out how they found us!

Lisa a

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Group: runacc Message: 3168 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 11/30/2016
Subject: Re: panelists and memberships

It can all be slightly different, but it can cause hard feelings among the regulars if you’re comping some people for doing panels when we all have to pay, as has been mentioned previously. How much effort do you have to produce in order to get comped? Is a “talking head” panel worth comping over someone who bring visual aids and samples or leads a workshop?

Nonetheless, like Kevin said, if you have leftover cash after all your expenses paid, it’s a nice little bonus if you can refund staffers’ memberships. I believe CC16 and CC25 were both able to do so plus forw3ard some seed money to future cons (a semi-tradition for another discussion)

Bruce

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 9:20 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] panelists and memberships

Even with justifying this with the fact that CC is a small convention that basically starts from scratch each year, this is a hard pill to swallow for locals you are trying to recruit for concom, staff and panelists who are accustomed to being comped for doing things at other local conventions.

I feel you need to do what is best for your convention.

Michael

On 2016-11-29 16:27, Byron Connell byronpconnell@gmail.com [runacc]
wrote:

> In my experience, everyone pays and no one is comped (including the
> members of the concom). That certainly has been the case for the CC’s
> I’ve worked on. However, I can’t speak for other CCs.
>
> Byron
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 3169 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 11/30/2016
Subject: Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite

Historical.

I think I was working with Robbie Dyer, and maybe Steve Carter, but my memory is hazy and the photos are at home.
-b

 

 

On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 11:44 AM, costumrs costumrs@radiks.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I’m not sure that was 14. you competed in the FSF that year. (You drafted me as a body).  Unless it was at the Historical .
Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone

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From: “Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 11/29/16 7:29 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: Run a CC List <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [runacc] Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite

 

I seem to recall CC14 offered snacks during deliberations. I was one of the snack carriers, IIRC.

 

On Nov 29, 2016 8:02 AM, “‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I stand corrected.   You’re right about Sunday night.   I’d forgotten about that.

 

The decision of what time to be open is sort of up to the committee, I suppose.  I seem to recall in the past that a number of staffers have run up sometime during the awards to get ready.

 

Putting snacks in the ballroom foyer is an interesting idea.   Might draw away from the goings-on during deliberation, but it could be a good calculated risk.   I almost want to say this was done once before (CC21?), but I could be wrong.   Could be worth the calculated risk, though.  Of course, that would be an additional cost to the con you just have to factor in to expenses.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com ]
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 12:40 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite

 

So I have some questions:

Does NOT being open during the major events tradition mean the first run, or including the break for the judges and the awards?

And in either case, is the opening expected to be IMMEDIATELY or give the Con Suite staff and/or Sponsor staff a chance to setup? If immediate, that means the staff may need to miss the end of the show or awards…

In CC33, DC17 was sponsoring the Con Suite on Saturday night, but since Warren and I were both in the show, but NIC, we started setting up after we were on stage and were ready by the time the awards ended (and a bit before.)

I had heard the tradition was for the CC THREE years hence to sponsor Sunday night after the selection was announced during the Historical. In fact at CC34, Aurora and i started taking memberships during the Judges’ break and Photo Op outside the Ballroom (she had a young baby that might limit how long she could stay up.) I had assumed that there were some spots that made sense (like selling memberships for the just selected CC) but that each future CC, guild chapters, other cons or bids may choose which slot works best for them (giving priority to future CCs.)

We n(CC37) were also thinking of allocating some of the required F&B to have hotel snack tables (cookies, cheese & crackers, clean fruit, etc.) in the Ballroom foyer during the Judges’ break/Photo Op. That may help to keep people around and delay the need to rush to the Con Suite. Thoughts?

 

Sharon

 

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 1:19 PM, casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I should also add that the Con Suite has traditionally NOT been open during the major vents.   This is both to encourage people to attend the shows but more importantly, to ensure that there is not a shortage of refreshments by the time the audience AND participants have left a masquerade.

 

I also neglected to mention that traditionally, the next year’s committee has hosted the Suite on Saturday night, while the committee 2 years hence have hosted on Sunday night.

 

One more recent development has been the committees seeking out other conventions or Guild chapters to host the Suite at other times.  This has been nice, but not necessary.   The SLCG has often been sponsoring  Sunday mornings in the Suite.

 

Bruce

 

 

 


Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3170 From: ma0902432 Date: 12/1/2016
Subject: Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite

 

It would be great if we could do an acknowledgement of new
members at CC35. I mentioned that initially in my post. I wish there had
been something like that at my first CC which was CC9 in Columbia, MD.  I
felt totally lost there, even though I did know people who were local, from
local cons. I was even on a panel!

 

> Wanted to suggest  something that’s been done at my PA

 

conferences

> for a while
>  now: at one
>  of the

talks where pretty much the entire conference  attends, they

>

have  people stand up who are new to the profession, and we all

> applaud.  Later  they wil have people stand up in increments,

i.e. 5

> years,
>  10 years, etc.

Lisa a
On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 18:08:10 -0600 “‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
writes:

> We’ve found that having an orientation panel (ie.CC 101) has

been

> very beneficial to making a good first impression.  Those

that did

> not go and had a bad experience at the con tend to carry that

> through the weekend and just expect more bad things to happen rather

> than chalk it up to a one-time thing.  Some of those people don’t

> come back  It’s not fair, but there are a lot of people who

operate

> that way.  I’ve heard that it takes something like 5 good

> experiences to override one bad one.
>
> As for the “shout

outs”, I think it’s just as important to have the

> new people recognized

in the audience.   Not all the MCs or MDs

> remember to do this

at some point.  Just having people applauded can

> add to a positive

experience.

> And I think we’ve maybe already said something about this

before,

> but we will be expressing certain expectations Nora and I will

have

> for anyone who is given a “CC Veteran” ribbon in the

future.   We

> may not be handing them out so freely at future

CCs.

>
> Bruce
>
> —–Original Message—–
>

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]

>

Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 8:57 AM

> To:

href=”mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com”>runacc@yahoogroups.com

> Subject:

Re: [runacc] Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite

>
>

Technically it’s Bruce – he’s writing this all up but I am part of

> the

discussion.

>
> I like the idea of the shout-out at the Social

including the

> successive years attendance.
> We love doing the

CC101 panels – it helps us connect to the newbies

> and gives them a

couple of “familiar” faces right off the bat.

>
> Nora
>

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> On Tue, 11/29/16,

href=”mailto:lisa58@juno.com”>lisa58@juno.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>

>

wrote:

>
>  Subject: Re: [runacc] Traditions and Expectations:

The Con Suite

>  To:

href=”mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com”>runacc@yahoogroups.com

>

Date: Tuesday, November 29, 2016, 8:37 AM

>
>  Hi Nora,

so glad you are running this

>  “series” of notes.
>

>  Just wanted to pipe in that I like the *new* CC tradition

of

> having  ribbons and “CC 101” panels for first time

attendees.

> Wanted to suggest  something that’s been done at

my PA conferences

> for a while
>  now: at one
>

of the talks where pretty much the entire conference  attends, they

> have  people stand up who are new to the profession, and we

all

> applaud.  Later  they wil have people stand up in

increments, i.e. 5

> years,
>  10 years,

etc.

>   That’s also kind of cool, where you get to know who are

the

> “elders” of  hte profession.  In our case, perhaps

we could have

> something at the  Friday night Social where

attendees could stand or

> raise  hands if it’s  their first

CC. I love talking to new

> attendees and finding  out how

they  found us!

>
>
>  Lisa

a

>
>
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 3171 From: Marg Grady Date: 12/2/2016
Subject: Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite
So are these traditions getting put into a google doc for sharing with future chairs/committees?

 

Group: runacc Message: 3172 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 12/2/2016
Subject: Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite

I’ve been using this list as the archive. At the moment I’m working on too many projects to undertake the document development for all the back-and-forth discussions regarding these traditions and other aspects of CC running.

I’m certain Karen’s in the same boat.

If someone else wants to do such a thing, I can easily set up a space for it in the website, since it’s driven by WordPress. A separate “Run a CC” space could be developed, since I don’t think I’m using the Post feature at the moment. (I could be wrong. It’s been a couple of crazy months since I set up that space.)

-B

 

 

On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Marg Grady marg1066@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

So are these traditions getting put into a google doc for sharing with future chairs/committees?

 

 


Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3173 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 12/4/2016
Subject: Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite

Excellent idea. What kind of file would be most convenient?

Nora

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 1:39 PM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite

I’ve been using this list as the archive. At the moment I’m working on too many projects to undertake the document development for all the back-and-forth discussions regarding these traditions and other aspects of CC running.

I’m certain Karen’s in the same boat.

If someone else wants to do such a thing, I can easily set up a space for it in the website, since it’s driven by WordPress. A separate “Run a CC” space could be developed, since I don’t think I’m using the Post feature at the moment. (I could be wrong. It’s been a couple of crazy months since I set up that space.)

-B

On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Marg Grady marg1066@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

So are these traditions getting put into a google doc for sharing with future chairs/committees?

Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

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Group: runacc Message: 3174 From: Kaijugal . Date: 12/4/2016
Subject: CC35 Consuite

 

To close the thread regarding the query from Aurora about the CC35 Consuite. My suspicions have been confirmed, they are still without a Consuite coordinator. In the meantime, I’ve made some, (hopefully helpful), suggestions and offered to be the temporary
contact with the idea that a schedule can be committed to for the interested groups.

I’d like to but can’t offer to take on consuite as I’m already helping with Programming.

Any further inquiries can be sent to me directly. Thanks. Have faith, it will all work out. 🙂

 

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 


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Sent: November 30, 2016 1:49 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: CC35 was:Re: [runacc] Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite

 

Aurora wrote: “Speaking of, has anyone heard from CC35 about con suite sponsorship? CC36 and CC37 have both inquired with no acknowledgement or reply.”

Last I heard they were still looking for someone to head the consuite. This may have been recently resolved. There is supposed to be a small meeting this week, I’ll poke the wolverine and see what’s up and encourage somebody to respond to those groups. *makes
note*. [😊]

~Dawn

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Group: runacc Message: 3175 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 12/4/2016
Subject: Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite

Realistically?

Maybe a wiki would make the most sense. That way, we’re all using the same platform and it’s edited on the site. We keep the link to the wiki out of the hands of the public (posted here or something) and then construct from there.

Thoughts?
-b

 

 

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 9:08 AM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Excellent idea. What kind of file would be most convenient?

Nora

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Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 1:39 PM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite

I’ve been using this list as the archive. At the moment I’m working on too many projects to undertake the document development for all the back-and-forth discussions regarding these traditions and other aspects of CC running.

I’m certain Karen’s in the same boat.

If someone else wants to do such a thing, I can easily set up a space for it in the website, since it’s driven by WordPress. A separate “Run a CC” space could be developed, since I don’t think I’m using the Post feature at the moment. (I could be wrong. It’s been a couple of crazy months since I set up that space.)

-B

On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Marg Grady marg1066@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

So are these traditions getting put into a google doc for sharing with future chairs/committees?

Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

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Group: runacc Message: 3176 From: Byron Connell Date: 12/4/2016
Subject: Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite

 

A wiki sounds to me like a good idea.

 

Byron

 

 

On Dec 4, 2016, at 3:35 PM, Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Realistically? 

Maybe a wiki would make the most sense. That way, we’re all using the same platform and it’s edited on the site. We keep the link to the wiki out of the hands of the public (posted here or something) and then construct from there.

Thoughts?
-b

 

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 9:08 AM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Excellent idea. What kind of file would be most convenient?



Nora



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I’ve been using this list as the archive. At the moment I’m working on too many projects to undertake the document development for all the back-and-forth discussions regarding these traditions and other aspects of CC running.

I’m certain Karen’s in the same boat.

If someone else wants to do such a thing, I can easily set up a space for it in the website, since it’s driven by WordPress. A separate “Run a CC” space could be developed, since I don’t think I’m using the Post feature at the moment. (I could be wrong. It’s been a couple of crazy months since I set up that space.)



-B



On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Marg Grady marg1066@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



So are these traditions getting put into a google doc for sharing with future chairs/committees?











Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/










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Group: runacc Message: 3177 From: casamai Date: 12/4/2016
Subject: Document files for future reference

 

Why not just compile them into a file folder in this Yahoo Group?

 

Bruce

 

 

Realistically?

Maybe a wiki would make the most sense. That way, we’re all using the same platform and it’s edited on the site. We keep the link to the wiki out of the hands of the public (posted here or something) and then construct from there.

 
Thoughts?
 
-b

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3178 From: casamai Date: 12/4/2016
Subject: The Dead Dog Party – Traditions and Expections continued

 

 

 

According to
the Costume-Con Constitution, the conference is officially 4 days in
length.   Traditionally, the days have
been Friday through Monday (it should be noted that this is not mandated –
possibly discussion for another time.).
The Monday of the conference is typically a “light day” for programming,
since many attendees leave for home that day.
Keeping this in mind, Monday hotel
room nights can influence the kinds of deals the CC committee will get from
their hotel venue.   

 

 

 

 

 

Attendees who
stay through Tuesday are typically the regulars who return to Costume-Con every
year, not the locals.  They frequently
take the opportunity to see the sights of the host city.    So a
committee needs to give consideration to what happens on Monday to convince the
regulars to stay the extra day. 

 

 

 

 

 

In the past,
there have been a few times where the importance of the Dead Dog Party has been
underestimated.    Usually, the party is held in the room that served
as the Con Suite over the weekend.   But
sometimes, if a committee deems it too expensive to reserve a room Monday
night, then the committee should make an effort to find a venue that does not
cost anything.   It could be as simple as
inviting people to meet In the hotel bar.
Alternatively, there could be a final dinner at a nearby
restaurant.   In either case, as hosts,
there should be a minimum presence of some of the committee members.

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3179 From: ma0902432 Date: 12/5/2016
Subject: Re: The Dead Dog Party – Traditions and Expections continued
Agreed with all of this. It has been really disappointing on Monday
evenings to find out that there is no coordinated get-together, no matter
how informal. I always enjoy the “Passing of the Torch” to the next CC
chair.

Lisa a

On 04 Dec 2016 18:46:57 -0800 “casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]”
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

According to the Costume-Con Constitution, the conference is officially 4
days in length. Traditionally, the days have been Friday through Monday
(it should be noted that this is not mandated � possibly discussion for
another time.). The Monday of the conference is typically a �light day�
for programming, since many attendees leave for home that day. Keeping
this in mind, Monday hotel room nights can influence the kinds of deals
the CC committee will get from their hotel venue.

Attendees who stay through Tuesday are typically the regulars who return
to Costume-Con every year, not the locals. They frequently take the
opportunity to see the sights of the host city. So a committee needs
to give consideration to what happens on Monday to convince the regulars
to stay the extra day.

In the past, there have been a few times where the importance of the Dead
Dog Party has been underestimated. Usually, the party is held in the
room that served as the Con Suite over the weekend. But sometimes, if a
committee deems it too expensive to reserve a room Monday night, then the
committee should make an effort to find a venue that does not cost
anything. It could be as simple as inviting people to meet In the hotel
bar. Alternatively, there could be a final dinner at a nearby
restaurant. In either case, as hosts, there should be a minimum
presence of some of the committee members.

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Group: runacc Message: 3180 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 12/5/2016
Subject: Re: The Dead Dog Party – Traditions and Expections continued
In the latter statement, that has been a tradition that has sort of fallen by the wayside. I’ll add this to my list for a separate thread.

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Subject: Re: [runacc] The Dead Dog Party – Traditions and Expections continued

Agreed with all of this. It has been really disappointing on Monday evenings to find out that there is no coordinated get-together, no matter how informal. I always enjoy the “Passing of the Torch” to the next CC chair.

Lisa a

On 04 Dec 2016 18:46:57 -0800 “casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]”
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

According to the Costume-Con Constitution, the conference is officially 4
days in length. Traditionally, the days have been Friday through Monday
(it should be noted that this is not mandated possibly discussion for
another time.). The Monday of the conference is typically a light day
for programming, since many attendees leave for home that day. Keeping
this in mind, Monday hotel room nights can influence the kinds of deals
the CC committee will get from their hotel venue.

Attendees who stay through Tuesday are typically the regulars who return to Costume-Con every year, not the locals. They frequently take the
opportunity to see the sights of the host city. So a committee needs
to give consideration to what happens on Monday to convince the regulars to stay the extra day.

In the past, there have been a few times where the importance of the Dead
Dog Party has been underestimated. Usually, the party is held in the
room that served as the Con Suite over the weekend. But sometimes, if a
committee deems it too expensive to reserve a room Monday night, then the committee should make an effort to find a venue that does not cost
anything. It could be as simple as inviting people to meet In the hotel
bar. Alternatively, there could be a final dinner at a nearby
restaurant. In either case, as hosts, there should be a minimum
presence of some of the committee members.

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Group: runacc Message: 3181 From: Sharon Sbarsky Date: 12/5/2016
Subject: Re: The Dead Dog Party – Traditions and Expections continued
While, I agree that it is good for conventions to have Dead Dog Parties, even if small or informal, it might not be true that the extra night and even extra room nights “influence” the type of deals we can get in a positive manner.

While searching for a venue for CC37 we found the need to include Monday for function space made things more difficult. We were running up against the desire of the hotels to have their function space available for a new weekday event starting on Monday, and at least a few were asking to add $5K (or more) onto the function space rental fees. Even if the only used was for Tech strike and light programming.

Since we were already using part of the previous week (Program & Tech build on Friday, maybe even Thursday evening) it may have been easier to make the RFP (for function space) to be Wednesday-Sunday than Thursday-Monday.

We have in our contract that our room rates are good for a few days before and after, and in most cases if there are individuals what want to stay longer than that, it can be worked out with the hotel.

While it is nice for the Dead Dog to be held in convention Hospitality Space, it is not a requirement. I’m still at Smofcon at the moment. The Con Suite was located in space that was previously used as a hotel restaurant and it was great for space for snacks, light meals, bar (Smofcon could supply it’s own alcohol, but needed to pay for bartenders to serve it since it was function space) and the ability to have many conversations and meetings. Plus a small room that could be used for small more private meetings.

But the space was only available until 3PM yesterday since another event was moving into the hotel and using the space. Instead, a committee member’s suite was used for the Dead Dog, and opening the Chair’s suite when the first one became too crowded.

Sharon

 

 

On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 6:58 AM, lisa58@juno.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

Agreed with all of this. It has been really disappointing on Monday
evenings to find out that there is no coordinated get-together, no matter
how informal. I always enjoy the “Passing of the Torch” to the next CC
chair.

Lisa a

On 04 Dec 2016 18:46:57 -0800 “casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]”
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

According to the Costume-Con Constitution, the conference is officially 4
days in length. Traditionally, the days have been Friday through Monday
(it should be noted that this is not mandated – possibly discussion for
another time.). The Monday of the conference is typically a “light day”
for programming, since many attendees leave for home that day. Keeping
this in mind, Monday hotel room nights can influence the kinds of deals
the CC committee will get from their hotel venue.

Attendees who stay through Tuesday are typically the regulars who return
to Costume-Con every year, not the locals. They frequently take the
opportunity to see the sights of the host city. So a committee needs
to give consideration to what happens on Monday to convince the regulars
to stay the extra day.

In the past, there have been a few times where the importance of the Dead
Dog Party has been underestimated. Usually, the party is held in the
room that served as the Con Suite over the weekend. But sometimes, if a
committee deems it too expensive to reserve a room Monday night, then the
committee should make an effort to find a venue that does not cost
anything. It could be as simple as inviting people to meet In the hotel
bar. Alternatively, there could be a final dinner at a nearby
restaurant. In either case, as hosts, there should be a minimum
presence of some of the committee members.


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Group: runacc Message: 3182 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 12/5/2016
Subject: Re: CC35 Consuite
Thanks Dawn. Nice that you’re helping out. I don’t think it’s a problem that there’s no one in charge of the Consuite yet. The issue was that emails about it were going unanswered. We had no way of knowing if they were being received at all. Now that we know waiting for someone to be found is just fine.

Thanks,

~Aurora

 

 

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 10:44 AM ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:




To close the thread regarding the query from Aurora about the CC35 Consuite. My suspicions have been confirmed, they are still without a Consuite coordinator. In the meantime, I’ve made some, (hopefully helpful), suggestions and offered to be the temporary
contact with the idea that a schedule can be committed to for the interested groups.

I’d like to but can’t offer to take on consuite as I’m already helping with Programming. 

Any further inquiries can be sent to me directly. Thanks. Have faith, it will all work out. 🙂

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  




From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: November 30, 2016 1:49 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: CC35 was:Re: [runacc] Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite






Aurora wrote: “Speaking of, has anyone heard from CC35 about con suite sponsorship? CC36 and CC37 have both inquired with no acknowledgement or reply.”



Last I heard they were still looking for someone to head the consuite. This may have been recently resolved. There is supposed to be a small meeting this week, I’ll poke the wolverine and see what’s up and encourage somebody to respond to those groups. *makes
note*. [😊]

~Dawn




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3183 From: Sharon Sbarsky Date: 12/5/2016
Subject: Re: CC35 Consuite
Agreed. My email was sent to both

info@costumecon35.com,
cc35chair@costumecon35.com

over a month ago, and no one replied. Even a “we’ll get back to you later” email would be better than silence.

Thanks for helping Dawn, I’ll forward my email to you.

Sharon

 

 

On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 8:55 AM, Aurora Celeste auroraceleste@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

Thanks Dawn. Nice that you’re helping out. I don’t think it’s a problem that there’s no one in charge of the Consuite yet. The issue was that emails about it were going unanswered. We had no way of knowing if they were being received at all. Now that we know waiting for someone to be found is just fine.

Thanks,

~Aurora

 

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 10:44 AM ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:




To close the thread regarding the query from Aurora about the CC35 Consuite. My suspicions have been confirmed, they are still without a Consuite coordinator. In the meantime, I’ve made some, (hopefully helpful), suggestions and offered to be the temporary
contact with the idea that a schedule can be committed to for the interested groups.

I’d like to but can’t offer to take on consuite as I’m already helping with Programming. 

Any further inquiries can be sent to me directly. Thanks. Have faith, it will all work out. 🙂

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  




From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: November 30, 2016 1:49 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: CC35 was:Re: [runacc] Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite

 






Aurora wrote: “Speaking of, has anyone heard from CC35 about con suite sponsorship? CC36 and CC37 have both inquired with no acknowledgement or reply.”



Last I heard they were still looking for someone to head the consuite. This may have been recently resolved. There is supposed to be a small meeting this week, I’ll poke the wolverine and see what’s up and encourage somebody to respond to those groups. *makes
note*. [😊]

~Dawn




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3184 From: Kevin Roche Date: 12/5/2016
Subject: Re: Document files for future reference
One problem with that is that we don’t know how long yahoogroups will be around. It could evaporate with very little notice

Kevin

 

 

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 4:46 PM, casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

Why not just compile them into a file folder in this Yahoo Group?

 

Bruce

 

 

Realistically?

Maybe a wiki would make the most sense. That way, we’re all using the same platform and it’s edited on the site. We keep the link to the wiki out of the hands of the public (posted here or something) and then construct from there.

 
Thoughts?
 
-b

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3185 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 12/5/2016
Subject: Re: Document files for future reference

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-yahoo-m-a-missteps-analysis-idUSKCN1060DN

Given that Net Neutrality is going to rear its ugly head again, come January, and this time there won’t be enough Democrats to stop it, chances are excellent Verizon will quietly kill Yahoo Groups within the coming year.

Anything we can do now to protect our long-term investment in institutional knowledge is a good thing in my opinion, and I am NOT storing all these messages locally.

Hence the longer term solution to the problem.

I can set up an FTP space, if people still prefer document-based recording, but that seems to be an awkward method for storing data we want to access in the future.

Setting up a subsection of the main site (now driven by WordPress) would seem to be the better choice, since the entries are easily searched.
My personal $0.02, subject to inflation. YMMV.

Betsy

 

 

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 7:46 PM, casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

Why not just compile them into a file folder in this Yahoo Group?

 

Bruce

 

 

Realistically?

Maybe a wiki would make the most sense. That way, we’re all using the same platform and it’s edited on the site. We keep the link to the wiki out of the hands of the public (posted here or something) and then construct from there.

 
Thoughts?
 
-b

 

 

 


Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3186 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 12/5/2016
Subject: Re: Document files for future reference

PS:

If the ICG isn’t talking about the long-term health of Yahoo Groups, now’d be a great time for the BOD to discuss it.

Cheers,

B

 

 

On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 3:10 PM, Betsy Marks Delaney <aramintamd@gmail.com> wrote:

http://www.reuters.com/ article/us-yahoo-m-a-missteps- analysis-idUSKCN1060DN

Given that Net Neutrality is going to rear its ugly head again, come January, and this time there won’t be enough Democrats to stop it, chances are excellent Verizon will quietly kill Yahoo Groups within the coming year.

Anything we can do now to protect our long-term investment in institutional knowledge is a good thing in my opinion, and I am NOT storing all these messages locally.

Hence the longer term solution to the problem.

I can set up an FTP space, if people still prefer document-based recording, but that seems to be an awkward method for storing data we want to access in the future.

Setting up a subsection of the main site (now driven by WordPress) would seem to be the better choice, since the entries are easily searched.
My personal $0.02, subject to inflation. YMMV.

Betsy

 

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 7:46 PM, casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

Why not just compile them into a file folder in this Yahoo Group?

 

Bruce

 

 

Realistically?

Maybe a wiki would make the most sense. That way, we’re all using the same platform and it’s edited on the site. We keep the link to the wiki out of the hands of the public (posted here or something) and then construct from there.

 
Thoughts?
 
-b

 

 

 



Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 


Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3187 From: Kaijugal . Date: 12/5/2016
Subject: Re: Document files for future reference

 

I agree with Kevin,

There have already been official noises about the dissolution of the Yahoo! Groups.

It’s only a matter of time and it could go away very quickly. That said, even if there is some lead time to move the information, who wants to spend time posting it, and then moving it and posting it a second time?

 

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 


From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Kevin Roche kevin@twistedimage.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: December 5, 2016 12:24 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Document files for future reference

 

One problem with that is that we don’t know how long yahoogroups will be around. It could evaporate with very little notice

Kevin

 

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 4:46 PM,
casamai@sbcglobal.net
[runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

 

Why not just compile them into a file folder in this Yahoo Group?

 

Bruce

 

 

Realistically?

Maybe a wiki would make the most sense. That way, we’re all using the same platform and it’s edited on the site. We keep the link to the wiki out of the hands of the public (posted here or something) and then construct from there.

 
Thoughts?
 
-b

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3188 From: Kevin Roche Date: 12/5/2016
Subject: Re: Document files for future reference
There actually is an official ICG committee looking at the question, although it’s been quiet for quite a while.

I’ll note that if it hasn’t already, ICG qualifies as a 501(c)3 to apply for a free instance of gSuite (Google enterprise web apps) which includes google drive and google groups, and a full non-data-mined* instance of Google mail.  It’s what we use for the Peninsula Wearable Arts Guild business docs, and what Westercon 66 and Worldcon 76 are using.

Kevin

* the data-mining engines run on your mail accounts, but only to index them for your institution. The results do not go into the general Google dataset.

 

 

On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 1:30 PM, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I agree with Kevin,

There have already been official noises about the dissolution of the Yahoo! Groups.

It’s only a matter of time and it could go away very quickly. That said, even if there is some lead time to move the information, who wants to spend time posting it, and then moving it and posting it a second time?

 

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 


From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Kevin Roche kevin@twistedimage.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: December 5, 2016 12:24 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Document files for future reference

 

 

One problem with that is that we don’t know how long yahoogroups will be around. It could evaporate with very little notice

Kevin

 

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 4:46 PM,
casamai@sbcglobal.net
[runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

Why not just compile them into a file folder in this Yahoo Group?

 

Bruce

 

 

Realistically?

Maybe a wiki would make the most sense. That way, we’re all using the same platform and it’s edited on the site. We keep the link to the wiki out of the hands of the public (posted here or something) and then construct from there.

 
Thoughts?
 
-b

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3189 From: Sharon Sbarsky Date: 12/5/2016
Subject: Re: Document files for future reference
And will also qualify for free hosting at Dreamhost.

Sharon

 

 

On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 5:57 PM, Kevin Roche kevin@twistedimage.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

There actually is an official ICG committee looking at the question, although it’s been quiet for quite a while.

I’ll note that if it hasn’t already, ICG qualifies as a 501(c)3 to apply for a free instance of gSuite (Google enterprise web apps) which includes google drive and google groups, and a full non-data-mined* instance of Google mail.  It’s what we use for the Peninsula Wearable Arts Guild business docs, and what Westercon 66 and Worldcon 76 are using.

Kevin

* the data-mining engines run on your mail accounts, but only to index them for your institution. The results do not go into the general Google dataset.

 

 

On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 1:30 PM, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I agree with Kevin,

There have already been official noises about the dissolution of the Yahoo! Groups.

It’s only a matter of time and it could go away very quickly. That said, even if there is some lead time to move the information, who wants to spend time posting it, and then moving it and posting it a second time?

 

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 


From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Kevin Roche kevin@twistedimage.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: December 5, 2016 12:24 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Document files for future reference

 

 

One problem with that is that we don’t know how long yahoogroups will be around. It could evaporate with very little notice

Kevin

 

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 4:46 PM,
casamai@sbcglobal.net
[runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

Why not just compile them into a file folder in this Yahoo Group?

 

Bruce

 

 

Realistically?

Maybe a wiki would make the most sense. That way, we’re all using the same platform and it’s edited on the site. We keep the link to the wiki out of the hands of the public (posted here or something) and then construct from there.

 
Thoughts?
 
-b

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3190 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 12/5/2016
Subject: Re: Document files for future reference

I’d say Google might be a viable alternative, since docs can have multiple editors.

-b

 

 

On Dec 5, 2016 5:57 PM, “Kevin Roche kevin@twistedimage.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

There actually is an official ICG committee looking at the question, although it’s been quiet for quite a while.

I’ll note that if it hasn’t already, ICG qualifies as a 501(c)3 to apply for a free instance of gSuite (Google enterprise web apps) which includes google drive and google groups, and a full non-data-mined* instance of Google mail.  It’s what we use for the Peninsula Wearable Arts Guild business docs, and what Westercon 66 and Worldcon 76 are using.

Kevin

* the data-mining engines run on your mail accounts, but only to index them for your institution. The results do not go into the general Google dataset.

 

On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 1:30 PM, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I agree with Kevin,

There have already been official noises about the dissolution of the Yahoo! Groups.

It’s only a matter of time and it could go away very quickly. That said, even if there is some lead time to move the information, who wants to spend time posting it, and then moving it and posting it a second time?

 

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 


From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Kevin Roche kevin@twistedimage.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: December 5, 2016 12:24 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Document files for future reference

 

 

One problem with that is that we don’t know how long yahoogroups will be around. It could evaporate with very little notice

Kevin

 

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 4:46 PM,
casamai@sbcglobal.net
[runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

Why not just compile them into a file folder in this Yahoo Group?

 

Bruce

 

 

Realistically?

Maybe a wiki would make the most sense. That way, we’re all using the same platform and it’s edited on the site. We keep the link to the wiki out of the hands of the public (posted here or something) and then construct from there.

 
Thoughts?
 
-b

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3191 From: Kevin Roche Date: 12/5/2016
Subject: Re: Document files for future reference
Google Suite also allows you to activate version control, so you can go back if an editor messes up a document.

 

 

On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 3:06 PM, Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I’d say Google might be a viable alternative, since docs can have multiple editors.

-b

 

On Dec 5, 2016 5:57 PM, “Kevin Roche kevin@twistedimage.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

There actually is an official ICG committee looking at the question, although it’s been quiet for quite a while.

I’ll note that if it hasn’t already, ICG qualifies as a 501(c)3 to apply for a free instance of gSuite (Google enterprise web apps) which includes google drive and google groups, and a full non-data-mined* instance of Google mail.  It’s what we use for the Peninsula Wearable Arts Guild business docs, and what Westercon 66 and Worldcon 76 are using.

Kevin

* the data-mining engines run on your mail accounts, but only to index them for your institution. The results do not go into the general Google dataset.

 

On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 1:30 PM, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I agree with Kevin,

There have already been official noises about the dissolution of the Yahoo! Groups.

It’s only a matter of time and it could go away very quickly. That said, even if there is some lead time to move the information, who wants to spend time posting it, and then moving it and posting it a second time?

 

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 


From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Kevin Roche kevin@twistedimage.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: December 5, 2016 12:24 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Document files for future reference

 

 

One problem with that is that we don’t know how long yahoogroups will be around. It could evaporate with very little notice

Kevin

 

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 4:46 PM,
casamai@sbcglobal.net
[runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

Why not just compile them into a file folder in this Yahoo Group?

 

Bruce

 

 

Realistically?

Maybe a wiki would make the most sense. That way, we’re all using the same platform and it’s edited on the site. We keep the link to the wiki out of the hands of the public (posted here or something) and then construct from there.

 
Thoughts?
 
-b

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3192 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 12/5/2016
Subject: Re: The Dead Dog Party – Traditions and Expections continued

 

 

I didn’t say it was a large influence but if your con is small, it can make a difference.   It certainly did the 2 times we ran CC.   And part of the influence comes from having those room rates extended beyond the weekend.   Maybe this is not the case anymore, but it was in the past.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, December 5, 2016 7:51 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] The Dead Dog Party – Traditions and Expections continued

While, I agree that it is good for conventions to have Dead Dog Parties, even if small or informal, it might not be true that the extra night and even extra room nights “influence” the type of deals we can get in a positive manner.

While searching for a venue for CC37 we found the need to include Monday for function space made things more difficult. We were running up against the desire of the hotels to have their function space available for a new weekday event starting on Monday, and at least a few were asking to add $5K (or more) onto the function space rental fees. Even if the only used was for Tech strike and light programming.

Since we were already using part of the previous week (Program & Tech build on Friday, maybe even Thursday evening) it may have been easier to make the RFP (for function space) to be Wednesday-Sunday than Thursday-Monday.

We have in our contract that our room rates are good for a few days before and after, and in most cases if there are individuals what want to stay longer than that, it can be worked out with the hotel.

While it is nice for the Dead Dog to be held in convention Hospitality Space, it is not a requirement. I’m still at Smofcon at the moment. The Con Suite was located in space that was previously used as a hotel restaurant and it was great for space for snacks, light meals, bar (Smofcon could supply it’s own alcohol, but needed to pay for bartenders to serve it since it was function space) and the ability to have many conversations and meetings. Plus a small room that could be used for small more private meetings.

But the space was only available until 3PM yesterday since another event was moving into the hotel and using the space. Instead, a committee member’s suite was used for the Dead Dog, and opening the Chair’s suite when the first one became too crowded.

Sharon

On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 6:58 AM, lisa58@juno.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Agreed with all of this. It has been really disappointing on Monday
evenings to find out that there is no coordinated get-together, no matter
how informal. I always enjoy the “Passing of the Torch” to the next CC
chair.

Lisa a

On 04 Dec 2016 18:46:57 -0800 “casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]”
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

According to the Costume-Con Constitution, the conference is officially 4
days in length. Traditionally, the days have been Friday through Monday
(it should be noted that this is not mandated – possibly discussion for
another time.). The Monday of the conference is typically a “light day”
for programming, since many attendees leave for home that day. Keeping
this in mind, Monday hotel room nights can influence the kinds of deals
the CC committee will get from their hotel venue.

Attendees who stay through Tuesday are typically the regulars who return
to Costume-Con every year, not the locals. They frequently take the
opportunity to see the sights of the host city. So a committee needs
to give consideration to what happens on Monday to convince the regulars
to stay the extra day.

In the past, there have been a few times where the importance of the Dead
Dog Party has been underestimated. Usually, the party is held in the
room that served as the Con Suite over the weekend. But sometimes, if a
committee deems it too expensive to reserve a room Monday night, then the
committee should make an effort to find a venue that does not cost
anything. It could be as simple as inviting people to meet In the hotel
bar. Alternatively, there could be a final dinner at a nearby
restaurant. In either case, as hosts, there should be a minimum
presence of some of the committee members.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3193 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 12/5/2016
Subject: Re: Document files for future reference

 

 

I’d kinda forgotten about the whole Yahoo Group viability thing.  Great.  Another database I have to learn.  Feh.   And don’t tell me it’s “easy”.   It involves “larnin'”!    It’s bad enough I gotta learn to use a new interface for the Gallery’s eventual new home.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, December 5, 2016 3:31 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Document files for future reference

I agree with Kevin,


There have already been official noises about the dissolution of the Yahoo! Groups.
It’s only a matter of time and it could go away very quickly. That said, even if there is some lead time to move the information, who wants to spend time posting it, and then moving it and posting it a second time?

 

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North

Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 

 


 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Kevin Roche kevin@twistedimage.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: December 5, 2016 12:24 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Document files for future reference

 

 

One problem with that is that we don’t know how long yahoogroups will be around. It could evaporate with very little notice

Kevin

 

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 4:46 PM, casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Why not just compile them into a file folder in this Yahoo Group?

 

Bruce

 

 

Realistically? 

Maybe a wiki would make the most sense. That way, we’re all using the same platform and it’s edited on the site. We keep the link to the wiki out of the hands of the public (posted here or something) and then construct from there.

 

Thoughts?

 

-b

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3194 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 12/5/2016
Subject: Re: Document files for future reference

More:

We have 8 files and 3,194 messages (including this one) with no way to do an online archive of the data that I can see.

Migrating all of that is gonna be a major undertaking, no matter what structure we choose.

I’m dealing with a job hunt and am about to do 15 straight days (no weekends) at work. And in January, I’m finally filing for divorce. This means I’m not generally available to manage the process. Willing to name one or more admins, at Karen’s discretion, since I know for a fact I can’t own whatever decision gets made.

Setting up the structure at the web site to point to whatever we decide seems to be key. Whether that space is password protected or not is up to the group as a whole. I believe the conversation last time settled on keeping this a closed list. I could be wrong.

Betsy

 

 

On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 10:44 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I’d kinda forgotten about the whole Yahoo Group viability thing.  Great.  Another database I have to learn.  Feh.   And don’t tell me it’s “easy”.   It involves “larnin'”!    It’s bad enough I gotta learn to use a new interface for the Gallery’s eventual new home.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com ]
Sent: Monday, December 5, 2016 3:31 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Document files for future reference

 

 

I agree with Kevin,


There have already been official noises about the dissolution of the Yahoo! Groups.
It’s only a matter of time and it could go away very quickly. That said, even if there is some lead time to move the information, who wants to spend time posting it, and then moving it and posting it a second time?

 

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North

Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 

 


 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Kevin Roche kevin@twistedimage.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: December 5, 2016 12:24 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Document files for future reference

 

 

One problem with that is that we don’t know how long yahoogroups will be around. It could evaporate with very little notice

Kevin

 

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 4:46 PM, casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Why not just compile them into a file folder in this Yahoo Group?

 

Bruce

 

 

Realistically? 

Maybe a wiki would make the most sense. That way, we’re all using the same platform and it’s edited on the site. We keep the link to the wiki out of the hands of the public (posted here or something) and then construct from there.

 

Thoughts?

 

-b

 

 

 

 

 


Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3195 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 12/6/2016
Subject: Re: The Dead Dog Party – Traditions and Expections continued

The first Dead Dog I attended (CC3) took place at Marty and Bobby Gear’s house. While I was there, Adrian Butterfield draped a sloper for me out of an old pillowcase (I wasn’t alone in that) and I met most of the friends I’ve kept over the years. Upstairs, Kevin, Janet, Marty and a handful of others (Karen and Kelly might have been with them but I don’t remember) were busy inventing the ICG.

Important stuff happens at Dead Dog parties.
Betsy

 

 

On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 10:40 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I didn’t say it was a large influence but if your con is small, it can make a difference.   It certainly did the 2 times we ran CC.   And part of the influence comes from having those room rates extended beyond the weekend.   Maybe this is not the case anymore, but it was in the past.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com ]
Sent: Monday, December 5, 2016 7:51 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] The Dead Dog Party – Traditions and Expections continued

 

While, I agree that it is good for conventions to have Dead Dog Parties, even if small or informal, it might not be true that the extra night and even extra room nights “influence” the type of deals we can get in a positive manner.

While searching for a venue for CC37 we found the need to include Monday for function space made things more difficult. We were running up against the desire of the hotels to have their function space available for a new weekday event starting on Monday, and at least a few were asking to add $5K (or more) onto the function space rental fees. Even if the only used was for Tech strike and light programming.

Since we were already using part of the previous week (Program & Tech build on Friday, maybe even Thursday evening) it may have been easier to make the RFP (for function space) to be Wednesday-Sunday than Thursday-Monday.

We have in our contract that our room rates are good for a few days before and after, and in most cases if there are individuals what want to stay longer than that, it can be worked out with the hotel.

While it is nice for the Dead Dog to be held in convention Hospitality Space, it is not a requirement. I’m still at Smofcon at the moment. The Con Suite was located in space that was previously used as a hotel restaurant and it was great for space for snacks, light meals, bar (Smofcon could supply it’s own alcohol, but needed to pay for bartenders to serve it since it was function space) and the ability to have many conversations and meetings. Plus a small room that could be used for small more private meetings.

But the space was only available until 3PM yesterday since another event was moving into the hotel and using the space. Instead, a committee member’s suite was used for the Dead Dog, and opening the Chair’s suite when the first one became too crowded.

Sharon

 

 

On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 6:58 AM, lisa58@juno.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Agreed with all of this. It has been really disappointing on Monday
evenings to find out that there is no coordinated get-together, no matter
how informal. I always enjoy the “Passing of the Torch” to the next CC
chair.

Lisa a

On 04 Dec 2016 18:46:57 -0800 “casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]”
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

According to the Costume-Con Constitution, the conference is officially 4
days in length. Traditionally, the days have been Friday through Monday
(it should be noted that this is not mandated – possibly discussion for
another time.). The Monday of the conference is typically a “light day”
for programming, since many attendees leave for home that day. Keeping
this in mind, Monday hotel room nights can influence the kinds of deals
the CC committee will get from their hotel venue.

Attendees who stay through Tuesday are typically the regulars who return
to Costume-Con every year, not the locals. They frequently take the
opportunity to see the sights of the host city. So a committee needs
to give consideration to what happens on Monday to convince the regulars
to stay the extra day.

In the past, there have been a few times where the importance of the Dead
Dog Party has been underestimated. Usually, the party is held in the
room that served as the Con Suite over the weekend. But sometimes, if a
committee deems it too expensive to reserve a room Monday night, then the
committee should make an effort to find a venue that does not cost
anything. It could be as simple as inviting people to meet In the hotel
bar. Alternatively, there could be a final dinner at a nearby
restaurant. In either case, as hosts, there should be a minimum
presence of some of the committee members.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

 

 


Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3196 From: ECM Date: 12/6/2016
Subject: Re: panelists and memberships

 

 

I can, since I’ve been both panelist and con-com.  Since we are usually much smaller than most general cons, we have need of all the funds we can get.  That’s one reason we so seldom have comped GoHs.
Elaine


From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Byron Connell byronpconnell@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 7:27 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] panelists and memberships

 

In my experience, everyone pays and no one is comped (including the members of the concom). That certainly has been the case for the CC’s I’ve worked on. However, I can’t speak for other CCs.

Byron

 

 

On Nov 29, 2016, at 6:41 PM, beckieboo817@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

So, how many panels must someone be on before they’re comped for a membership?  Or are they ever comped a membership?

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3197 From: ECM Date: 12/6/2016
Subject: Re: The Dead Dog Party – Traditions and Expections continued

 

Also, because the Annual Meetings have moved to Friday mornings, many CCs begin unofficially on Thursday night with a mass attack on some local restaurant.  This is also good for Room Nights.

 

Elaine

 


From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 5, 2016 8:03 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [runacc] The Dead Dog Party – Traditions and Expections continued

 

In the latter statement, that has been a tradition that has sort of fallen by the wayside. I’ll add this to my list for a separate thread.

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, December 5, 2016 5:59 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] The Dead Dog Party – Traditions and Expections continued

Agreed with all of this. It has been really disappointing on Monday evenings to find out that there is no coordinated get-together, no matter how informal. I always enjoy the “Passing of the Torch” to the next CC chair.

Lisa a

On 04 Dec 2016 18:46:57 -0800 “casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]”
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

According to the Costume-Con Constitution, the conference is officially 4
days in length. Traditionally, the days have been Friday through Monday
(it should be noted that this is not mandated possibly discussion for
another time.). The Monday of the conference is typically a light day
for programming, since many attendees leave for home that day. Keeping
this in mind, Monday hotel room nights can influence the kinds of deals
the CC committee will get from their hotel venue.

Attendees who stay through Tuesday are typically the regulars who return to Costume-Con every year, not the locals. They frequently take the
opportunity to see the sights of the host city. So a committee needs
to give consideration to what happens on Monday to convince the regulars to stay the extra day.

In the past, there have been a few times where the importance of the Dead
Dog Party has been underestimated. Usually, the party is held in the
room that served as the Con Suite over the weekend. But sometimes, if a
committee deems it too expensive to reserve a room Monday night, then the committee should make an effort to find a venue that does not cost
anything. It could be as simple as inviting people to meet In the hotel
bar. Alternatively, there could be a final dinner at a nearby
restaurant. In either case, as hosts, there should be a minimum
presence of some of the committee members.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

————————————
Posted by: <lisa58@juno.com>
————————————

View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
————————————

Yahoo Groups Links

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3198 From: ma0902432 Date: 12/7/2016
Subject: Re: The Dead Dog Party – Traditions and Expections continued
I can recall at least several CC’s where the Chair’s suite was used for
Hospitality space on Monday and Mon. night, and it was quite comfortable.

Lisa a

On Mon, 5 Dec 2016 08:50:36 -0500 “Sharon Sbarsky sbarsky@gmail.com
[runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

While, I agree that it is good for conventions to have Dead Dog Parties,
even if small or informal, it might not be true that the extra night and
even extra room nights “influence” the type of deals we can get in a
positive manner.

While searching for a venue for CC37 we found the need to include Monday
for function space made things more difficult. We were running up against
the desire of the hotels to have their function space available for a new
weekday event starting on Monday, and at least a few were asking to add
$5K (or more) onto the function space rental fees. Even if the only used
was for Tech strike and light programming.

Since we were already using part of the previous week (Program & Tech
build on Friday, maybe even Thursday evening) it may have been easier to
make the RFP (for function space) to be Wednesday-Sunday than
Thursday-Monday.

We have in our contract that our room rates are good for a few days
before and after, and in most cases if there are individuals what want to
stay longer than that, it can be worked out with the hotel.

While it is nice for the Dead Dog to be held in convention Hospitality
Space, it is not a requirement. I’m still at Smofcon at the moment. The
Con Suite was located in space that was previously used as a hotel
restaurant and it was great for space for snacks, light meals, bar
(Smofcon could supply it’s own alcohol, but needed to pay for bartenders
to serve it since it was function space) and the ability to have many
conversations and meetings. Plus a small room that could be used for
small more private meetings.

But the space was only available until 3PM yesterday since another event
was moving into the hotel and using the space. Instead, a committee
member’s suite was used for the Dead Dog, and opening the Chair’s suite
when the first one became too crowded.

Sharon

On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 6:58 AM, lisa58@juno.com [runacc]
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Agreed with all of this. It has been really disappointing on Monday
evenings to find out that there is no coordinated get-together, no matter
how informal. I always enjoy the “Passing of the Torch” to the next CC
chair.

Lisa a

On 04 Dec 2016 18:46:57 -0800 “casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]”
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

According to the Costume-Con Constitution, the conference is officially 4
days in length. Traditionally, the days have been Friday through Monday
(it should be noted that this is not mandated � possibly discussion for
another time.). The Monday of the conference is typically a �light day�
for programming, since many attendees leave for home that day. Keeping
this in mind, Monday hotel room nights can influence the kinds of deals
the CC committee will get from their hotel venue.

Attendees who stay through Tuesday are typically the regulars who return
to Costume-Con every year, not the locals. They frequently take the
opportunity to see the sights of the host city. So a committee needs
to give consideration to what happens on Monday to convince the regulars
to stay the extra day.

In the past, there have been a few times where the importance of the Dead
Dog Party has been underestimated. Usually, the party is held in the
room that served as the Con Suite over the weekend. But sometimes, if a
committee deems it too expensive to reserve a room Monday night, then the
committee should make an effort to find a venue that does not cost
anything. It could be as simple as inviting people to meet In the hotel
bar. Alternatively, there could be a final dinner at a nearby
restaurant. In either case, as hosts, there should be a minimum
presence of some of the committee members.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 3199 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 12/7/2016
Subject: Re: The Dead Dog Party – Traditions and Expections continued

 

 

Good story to keep in mind.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 7:30 AM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: Re: [runacc] The Dead Dog Party – Traditions and Expections continued

The first Dead Dog I attended (CC3) took place at Marty and Bobby Gear’s house. While I was there, Adrian Butterfield draped a sloper for me out of an old pillowcase (I wasn’t alone in that) and I met most of the friends I’ve kept over the years. Upstairs, Kevin, Janet, Marty and a handful of others (Karen and Kelly might have been with them but I don’t remember) were busy inventing the ICG.

Important stuff happens at Dead Dog parties.

Betsy

On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 10:40 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I didn’t say it was a large influence but if your con is small, it can make a difference.   It certainly did the 2 times we ran CC.   And part of the influence comes from having those room rates extended beyond the weekend.   Maybe this is not the case anymore, but it was in the past.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, December 5, 2016 7:51 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] The Dead Dog Party – Traditions and Expections continued

While, I agree that it is good for conventions to have Dead Dog Parties, even if small or informal, it might not be true that the extra night and even extra room nights “influence” the type of deals we can get in a positive manner.

While searching for a venue for CC37 we found the need to include Monday for function space made things more difficult. We were running up against the desire of the hotels to have their function space available for a new weekday event starting on Monday, and at least a few were asking to add $5K (or more) onto the function space rental fees. Even if the only used was for Tech strike and light programming.

Since we were already using part of the previous week (Program & Tech build on Friday, maybe even Thursday evening) it may have been easier to make the RFP (for function space) to be Wednesday-Sunday than Thursday-Monday.

We have in our contract that our room rates are good for a few days before and after, and in most cases if there are individuals what want to stay longer than that, it can be worked out with the hotel.

While it is nice for the Dead Dog to be held in convention Hospitality Space, it is not a requirement. I’m still at Smofcon at the moment. The Con Suite was located in space that was previously used as a hotel restaurant and it was great for space for snacks, light meals, bar (Smofcon could supply it’s own alcohol, but needed to pay for bartenders to serve it since it was function space) and the ability to have many conversations and meetings. Plus a small room that could be used for small more private meetings.

But the space was only available until 3PM yesterday since another event was moving into the hotel and using the space. Instead, a committee member’s suite was used for the Dead Dog, and opening the Chair’s suite when the first one became too crowded.

Sharon

On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 6:58 AM, lisa58@juno.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Agreed with all of this. It has been really disappointing on Monday
evenings to find out that there is no coordinated get-together, no matter
how informal. I always enjoy the “Passing of the Torch” to the next CC
chair.

Lisa a

On 04 Dec 2016 18:46:57 -0800 “casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]”
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

According to the Costume-Con Constitution, the conference is officially 4
days in length. Traditionally, the days have been Friday through Monday
(it should be noted that this is not mandated – possibly discussion for
another time.). The Monday of the conference is typically a “light day”
for programming, since many attendees leave for home that day. Keeping
this in mind, Monday hotel room nights can influence the kinds of deals
the CC committee will get from their hotel venue.

Attendees who stay through Tuesday are typically the regulars who return
to Costume-Con every year, not the locals. They frequently take the
opportunity to see the sights of the host city. So a committee needs
to give consideration to what happens on Monday to convince the regulars
to stay the extra day.

In the past, there have been a few times where the importance of the Dead
Dog Party has been underestimated. Usually, the party is held in the
room that served as the Con Suite over the weekend. But sometimes, if a
committee deems it too expensive to reserve a room Monday night, then the
committee should make an effort to find a venue that does not cost
anything. It could be as simple as inviting people to meet In the hotel
bar. Alternatively, there could be a final dinner at a nearby
restaurant. In either case, as hosts, there should be a minimum
presence of some of the committee members.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3200 From: Marg Grady Date: 12/10/2016
Subject: Re: The Dead Dog Party – Traditions and Expections continued
I’ve begun a google doc to distill these comments, fyi.

 

Group: runacc Message: 3201 From: casamai Date: 12/11/2016
Subject: Masquerade Halftime Acitivities – Traditions and Expectations

 

 

 

There have been
variations in what happens after the two major masquerades conclude and the
judges are deliberating.   They’re more
or less in this order:

 

 

  1. Fan Photos – Since there’s no flash
    photography during the shows, this is the opportunity for the audience members
    to come up to the front of the stage and get close up shots of each contestant
    and the details of the costumes.    (Side
    note for the MD/Stage Manager: for the best traffic flow, there should be two
    or three points across the stage designated where the costumers should be
    directed to stand in sequence so that all the photographers spread the along
    front have a good angle to take their pictures).

  2.  Archives Road Show Features – this is a relatively
    recent addition introduced at CC27.   It
    started with a tribute to artists who passed away up to that point in time, ala
    Academy Awards.   Over the next two
    years, the video block expanded to themed features showcasing video footage from
    masquerades from the past 30+ years.
    While it is not a mandated event, I always ask MDs if they would like to
    have Archives material played during the halftime.   So it’s sort of a tradition now.   But I never assume.

  3. Presentation of the ICG Lifetime
    Achievement Award during the SF halftime.
    I believe time for this has always been requested – it is not mandated
    in the Constitution.   Current president
    Philip Gust has called for all the attending LAA recipients to step on stage
    before the current year’s award is announced.
    This has been an informal tradition since CC30.

  4. Other Awards – The ICG President’s Award,
    the Founders Award (given by the CC service mark holder), are usually announced
    during the SF halftime.   During the
    Historical halftime, the Doll Contest, any auxiliary contests and the site
    selection balloting is announced.

  5. Chapter Awards – Depending upon the
    MD, the first costume awards are from ICG chapters.   A while back, one of the MDs wisely
    instructed the chapter reps to keep their introductions brief – others have
    even limited the number of chapters who can present awards, just to keep things
    moving along.   The MD is NOT required to allow chapters to present.

 

 

There have been other activities during halftime (entertainment,
other announcements, etc.), but the main point has been to keep the audience in
their seats so that they don’t wander off or storm Hospitality before the
masquerade awards have been announced.

 

(I have no idea why the font size changed on item #1, but since I copied and pasted in from a Word doc, who knows?)

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3202 From: 57bebdc5a1eb9ba0b0bcaa20009c38c5 Date: 12/12/2016
Subject: Re: Masquerade Halftime Acitivities – Traditions and Expectations

 

I know we’ve been through the Hospitality Suite stuff, but this is because of the last comment of this post.  For the sake of the competitors, I would say to not open the con suite until after the awards are announced.  It has happened that the sponsors opened the suite before the awards, and all the special treats were long gone before the entrants could get up there.  Since they are major contributors to the entertainment of the con, they should get some consideration.

Karen

 

 

On 2016-12-11 21:21, casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] wrote:

 

 

 

 

There have been variations in what happens after the two major masquerades conclude and the judges are deliberating.   They’re more or less in this order:

 

  1. Fan Photos – Since there’s no flash photography during the shows, this is the opportunity for the audience members to come up to the front of the stage and get close up shots of each contestant and the details of the costumes.    (Side note for the MD/Stage Manager: for the best traffic flow, there should be two or three points across the stage designated where the costumers should be directed to stand in sequence so that all the photographers spread the along front have a good angle to take their pictures).

  2.  Archives Road Show Features – this is a relatively recent addition introduced at CC27.   It started with a tribute to artists who passed away up to that point in time, ala Academy Awards.   Over the next two years, the video block expanded to themed features showcasing video footage from masquerades from the past 30+ years.  While it is not a mandated event, I always ask MDs if they would like to have Archives material played during the halftime.   So it’s sort of a tradition now.   But I never assume.

  3. Presentation of the ICG Lifetime Achievement Award during the SF halftime.   I believe time for this has always been requested – it is not mandated in the Constitution.   Current president Philip Gust has called for all the attending LAA recipients to step on stage before the current year’s award is announced.   This has been an informal tradition since CC30.

  4. Other Awards – The ICG President’s Award, the Founders Award (given by the CC service mark holder), are usually announced during the SF halftime.   During the Historical halftime, the Doll Contest, any auxiliary contests and the site selection balloting is announced.

  5. Chapter Awards – Depending upon the MD, the first costume awards are from ICG chapters.   A while back, one of the MDs wisely instructed the chapter reps to keep their introductions brief – others have even limited the number of chapters who can present awards, just to keep things moving along.   The MD is NOT required to allow chapters to present.

 

There have been other activities during halftime (entertainment, other announcements, etc.), but the main point has been to keep the audience in their seats so that they don’t wander off or storm Hospitality before the masquerade awards have been announced.

 

(I have no idea why the font size changed on item #1, but since I copied and pasted in from a Word doc, who knows?)

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3203 From: spiritof_76 Date: 12/12/2016
Subject: Re: Masquerade Halftime Acitivities – Traditions and Expectations
CC+3 voting announcement during the historical

Michael

 

 

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Subject: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
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Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
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Group: runacc Message: 3117 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/28/2016
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Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
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Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
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Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
Group: runacc Message: 3124 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Example misconception
Group: runacc Message: 3125 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
Group: runacc Message: 3126 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/28/2016
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Subject: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite
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Group: runacc Message: 3104 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/18/2016
Subject: Re: CC34 Future Fashion Folio

 


I enjoy the folio both ways. My viewer allows for a 2 up page view so it works for me both ways.

The folio was nicely laid out Nora.

 

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 

 

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Group: runacc Message: 3105 From: herself-the-elf@rogers.com Date: 6/18/2016
Subject: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
I recently got back from AnimeNext where I was promoting CC35. I’ve
been doing CC promo at anime and comic-cons on and off for around 4
years now, and have recently been mulling over my experiences and
thoughts about what needs to be done to carry Costume-Con into the
future and keep it successful and relevant.

I feel
very strongly about Costume-Con and really love it. Because of this I’m
very concerned about how best to attract younger costumers, because most
of them have come up through the anime and comic-con circuit which is
in most cases completely separate from the older sci-fi and literary con
circuit. So many costumers who would have a blast at CC never even hear
about it.

Here are some of my thoughts about what’s
needed. I am willing to put my money where my mouth is and pitch in for a lot of
this, but it would be great to get some help ;D
#1 – Improving Web Presence

First
off, we urgently need a modern, accessible, centralized Costume-Con.com
page so that when people google ‘Costume-Con’ they find useful,
up-to-date information AND see something that will get them interested.
This is the most critical thing. The current page is both out-of-date in
terms of information, and makes the casual observer assume that the
event is either defunct or very disorganized. Cosplayers are extremely
web-savvy and are unlikely to take a chance on a con that has a weak web
presence. We need something in line with the websites for your standard
modern comic, media or anime con if we want the younger generation of
costumers to not dismiss us out of hand without even finding out that CC
has great stuff going on.

I would be happy to build and maintain a new costume-con.com page. I WANT to do it, I just need to be able to access the domain. If someone else is going to do it, that’s great, but it is extremely
important that it gets done ASAP. Many people I was talking to at
AnimeNext were very interested in attending CC37 in Salem and other
future CCs, but without a functional centralized way of finding CC (and
if they don’t know the CC# to search for it), we will continue to
struggle at attracting new attendees. It’s about more than just
promoting the current or upcoming CC; many people are now hearing about
the con for the first time and we need to think about the long game.

Ideally
the new page would have some good graphics, eye-catching photos, and clear, basic info about what CC is, how it works, why cosplayers should be
interested. What it does that is different from other cons.

#2 – Promotion at other cons

I think it would be really useful to have
eye-catching promo material that is non-year-specific, that can be
reused and passed on. It is critical to do outreach at anime and
comic-cons in the areas near upcoming CCs, not just to get them to
register for the upcoming one, but to spread awareness of CC and get
them talking to their local costuming communities, to spread interest
and excitement. I’m planning on getting at least one large-format banner
printed that could be used by many successive CCs for promotion at
anime and comic-cons, as well as some postcards that have a brief
explanation of CC’s concept and the dates/locations of the next few
upcoming CCs. So even if they can’t make the next one, they can start
planning for future CCs.

The important thing is grabbing people’s attention and then
explaining what CC can offer them. The spiel I’ve found which works the
best usually touches on:

– 4 days of nonstop costuming/cosplay!

any kind of costume is welcome, from media recreation to historical to
original design! This is especially useful to emphasize, as many anime
cons only allow or embrace Japanese-origin costumes. Many cosplayers
would like to branch out but don’t know there’s a venue that would
welcome this!
– 4 different competitions, including a fashion design competition
– dealer’s room full of costume supplies
– shopping tours
– all the panels and workshops are about learning cool new skills and techniques

– “It’s basically cosplayer heaven”

In addition, every CC committee (and anyone in the general area of an upcoming CC) should
be connecting with local cosplay groups on Facebook and in-person to do outreach.

Send someone to every anime and comic-con within driving distance, to
not just leave a pile of flyers somewhere, but sit at a table with an
eye-catching display and explain CC to people.
– Print out
promotional material that has lots of
nice colour photos and big text explaining the basic elements of CC and
what it can offer. For CC32 we went through a lot of double-sided colour
postcards – they can have basic info, are eye-catching, easy to read and memorable. Paper
registration forms aren’t really needed much anymore – most people at
anime & comic-cons will be registering online.
– See someone walk by with a fantastic costume? Flag them down, hand them a flyer/postcard, explain what Costume-Con is.
This is the kind of thing of which Dawn and I did a lot in the years leading up to CC32.

#3 – Retaining New Attendees
I
have heard time and again from younger people who have attended a CC
for the first time that they felt excluded and isolated – that the
atmosphere was very insular, that there was a clear assumption that
everyone should already know how everything worked, that info was hard
to find, that newcomers were mostly left to fend for themselves and felt left
out as a result. I know that many CC conrunners have done great
work to be more inclusive, but we need to keep working at that and do
more. It may seem tedious to CC veterans, but we need to start aiming
our promotional material and websites at people who have never attended a
CC (or Worldcon, or similar con) before, and make sure we always have
some programming tailored for both veterans and newcomers.
In Summary

There
are plenty of cosplayers who just want to dress up and have fun, who
have little interest in branching out or learning other techniques, and
that’s fine. CC is not the place for them. But there are still a LOT of
cosplayers attending anime and comic-cons who definitely are interested in
the kind of things that CC can offer, and they just have no idea there
is a venue for that. I talk to them at cons all the time and they are
excited about Costume-Con, and amazed that it has existed for so long
while they’ve never heard of it. Is every cosplayer who tries CC once
going to become a regular who throws themselves into it wholeheartedly?
Of course not, but we won’t get the die-hards without reaching out to
everyone.

If we want CC to not just survive but thrive, we need
to keep reaching out to them. It’s going to take work to bridge the gap
between our two communities. We can’t rest on our laurels and wait for
them to come to us; we have to go out and convince them. It is critical
to stop dismissing ‘those anime kids’, and instead embrace them as what
they are – the next generation of costumers and the people who will keep
Costume-Con vibrant for years to come.

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3106 From: herself-the-elf@rogers.com Date: 6/19/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
Sorry everybody, forgot to sign it!

— Maral Agnerian

 

Group: runacc Message: 3107 From: dandyhank Date: 6/19/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
Thanks for posting this! I told Karen I would write an article on How To Promote Your Costume-Con. I have been busy, but should have an outline done in a couple of days.

Henry

 

Group: runacc Message: 3108 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/27/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

 

Comments below – they are only my opinions.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 10:40 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

I recently got back from AnimeNext where I was promoting CC35. I’ve been doing CC promo at anime and comic-cons on and off for around 4 years now, and have recently been mulling over my experiences and thoughts about what needs to be done to carry Costume-Con into the future and keep it successful and relevant.

I feel very strongly about Costume-Con and really love it. Because of this I’m very concerned about how best to attract younger costumers, because most of them have come up through the anime and comic-con circuit which is in most cases completely separate from the older sci-fi and literary con circuit. So many costumers who would have a blast at CC never even hear about it.

Here are some of my thoughts about what’s needed. I am willing to put my money where my mouth is and pitch in for a lot of this, but it would be great to get some help ;D

#1 – Improving Web Presence

First off, we urgently need a modern, accessible, centralized Costume-Con.com page so that when people google ‘Costume-Con’ they find useful, up-to-date information AND see something that will get them interested. This is the most critical thing. The current page is both out-of-date in terms of information, and makes the casual observer assume that the event is either defunct or very disorganized. Cosplayers are extremely web-savvy and are unlikely to take a chance on a con that has a weak web presence. We need something in line with the websites for your standard modern comic, media or anime con if we want the younger generation of costumers to not dismiss us out of hand without even finding out that CC has great stuff going on.

I would be happy to build and maintain a new costume-con.com page. I WANT to do it, I just need to be able to access the domain. If someone else is going to do it, that’s great, but it is extremely important that it gets done ASAP. Many people I was talking to at AnimeNext were very interested in attending CC37 in Salem and other future CCs, but without a functional centralized way of finding CC (and if they don’t know the CC# to search for it), we will continue to struggle at attracting new attendees. It’s about more than just promoting the current or upcoming CC; many people are now hearing about the con for the first time and we need to think about the long game.

Ideally the new page would have some good graphics, eye-catching photos, and clear, basic info about what CC is, how it works, why cosplayers should be interested. What it does that is different from other cons.

I absolutely agree.   The website has desperately been in need for updating for years.  The “countdown clock” has made me clench my teeth for a long time.  I say, if someone wants to take on the task of a makeover, LET THEM DO IT!   DON’T LET THEM GET AWAY!

#2 – Promotion at other cons

I think it would be really useful to have eye-catching promo material that is non-year-specific, that can be reused and passed on. It is critical to do outreach at anime and comic-cons in the areas near upcoming CCs, not just to get them to register for the upcoming one, but to spread awareness of CC and get them talking to their local costuming communities, to spread interest and excitement. I’m planning on getting at least one large-format banner printed that could be used by many successive CCs for promotion at anime and comic-cons, as well as some postcards that have a brief explanation of CC’s concept and the dates/locations of the next few upcoming CCs. So even if they can’t make the next one, they can start planning for future CCs.

The important thing is grabbing people’s attention and then explaining what CC can offer them. The spiel I’ve found which works the best usually touches on:

– 4 days of nonstop costuming/cosplay!

– any kind of costume is welcome, from media recreation to historical to original design! This is especially useful to emphasize, as many anime cons only allow or embrace Japanese-origin costumes. Many cosplayers would like to branch out but don’t know there’s a venue that would welcome this!

– 4 different competitions, including a fashion design competition

– dealer’s room full of costume supplies

– shopping tours

– all the panels and workshops are about learning cool new skills and techniques

– “It’s basically cosplayer heaven”

In addition, every CC committee (and anyone in the general area of an upcoming CC) should be connecting with local cosplay groups on Facebook and in-person to do outreach.
– Send someone to every anime and comic-con within driving distance, to not just leave a pile of flyers somewhere, but sit at a table with an eye-catching display and explain CC to people.
– Print out promotional material that has lots of nice colour photos and big text explaining the basic elements of CC and what it can offer. For CC32 we went through a lot of double-sided colour postcards – they can have basic info, are eye-catching, easy to read and memorable. Paper registration forms aren’t really needed much anymore – most people at anime & comic-cons will be registering online.
– See someone walk by with a fantastic costume? Flag them down, hand them a flyer/postcard, explain what Costume-Con is.
This is the kind of thing of which Dawn and I did a lot in the years leading up to CC32.

Much of this we’ve been saying for years, but I think the MACS/CC34 really put this into practice.   If you guys were doing it too, then good on ya.

 

#3 – Retaining New Attendees

I have heard time and again from younger people who have attended a CC for the first time that they felt excluded and isolated – that the atmosphere was very insular, that there was a clear assumption that everyone should already know how everything worked, that info was hard to find, that newcomers were mostly left to fend for themselves and felt left out as a result. I know that many CC conrunners have done great work to be more inclusive, but we need to keep working at that and do more. It may seem tedious to CC veterans, but we need to start aiming our promotional material and websites at people who have never attended a CC (or Worldcon, or similar con) before, and make sure we always have some programming tailored for both veterans and newcomers.

 

I mostly agree with this.   Knowledge about CC has always been relatively de-centralized.   The time is already here to recognize that there will be fewer and fewer committees made up of people from the earlier days of CC who know the ropes.   And in turn, without guidance, regulars can’t grump if traditions and formats aren’t maintained because more often than not many of the future committees will have attended few, if any, CCs before they run their own.

 

Nora and I have found that having a “My First Costume-Con” panel at the con is a critical first step to making people feel included.   Every person that attended that panel came away with a much better impression of the con.   But, of course, not everyone is going to attend it.     So, yes, there needs to be helpful information published both on line and in the program book.   I wrote an FAQ for CC25 that has been used by some of the following CCs that can be tweaked.

 

In Summary

There are plenty of cosplayers who just want to dress up and have fun, who have little interest in branching out or learning other techniques, and that’s fine. CC is not the place for them. But there are still a LOT of cosplayers attending anime and comic-cons who definitely are interested in the kind of things that CC can offer, and they just have no idea there is a venue for that. I talk to them at cons all the time and they are excited about Costume-Con, and amazed that it has existed for so long while they’ve never heard of it. Is every cosplayer who tries CC once going to become a regular who throws themselves into it wholeheartedly? Of course not, but we won’t get the die-hards without reaching out to everyone.

 

Over a decade ago, as we were watching the cosplay phenomenon grow by leaps and bounds, we said that if we could capture just 10% of that crowd, it could double the attendance at CCs.

If we want CC to not just survive but thrive, we need to keep reaching out to them. It’s going to take work to bridge the gap between our two communities. We can’t rest on our laurels and wait for them to come to us; we have to go out and convince them. It is critical to stop dismissing ‘those anime kids’, and instead embrace them as what they are – the next generation of costumers and the people who will keep Costume-Con vibrant for years to come.

This is where the most work needs to be done, trying to merge two different cultures and generations.   Unfortunately, it could be an uphill battle to combat perceptions of each community.   A major push needs to be made to educate and have a greater understanding between the established base of attendees and the new ones we’re trying to attract.

The regular attendees are probably largely unaware that, actually, many of the younger generation of costumers/cosplayers are intimidated by those of us long-time costumers.  I recall observing any number of times how excited newbies were to be recognized by their older peers, validating their work in a competitive venue.  But there’s still work to be done regarding the masquerade costuming community regarding competition.   I’m reminded of Yaya Han’s (incorrect) perception of the “strict ICG rules” mentioned in an episode of “Heroes of Cosplay”.   Scoff if you want, but it’s a perception held by many people who have not actually attended a CC.

Regarding “cliques”.    This works both ways.   I explained in the FAQ that many people may only get to see each other in person once a year, so they may not be as proactive about talking to newbies as they perhaps should be, if they want the con to grow.   You also have to keep in mind that many costumers, both young and old, are shy.  Shyness can be mistaken as aloofness.   It’s a common mistake made by shy or new people to hope they will be noticed and approached.    That’s not the way things generally work.  It’s just a fact of human nature, even at CC.   Are there things that can be done?  Absolutely.

A thought about promotion:  in any material, show that the hobby appeals to all ages.  Include old recreation photos from earlier decades.   Have people of all ages in recreations today.  But also show there’s a whole ‘nother world of creativity with original works not just by the older generation, but also the younger ones (there are fewer of them, but they’re out there).  Make sure works from other shows don’t get overlooked, like the FFS and Historical.   This year, we had a lot of newbies in some of those shows.   Good stuff.    People need to see that.

 

Bruce

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3109 From: Marg Grady Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
When I tried marketing to the younger folks here in the Phoenix cosplay community, an issue I ran into was “price point”… they couldn’t afford Costume-Con.

 

Group: runacc Message: 3110 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

That’s one of the reasons we had a $25 student ticket for CC32. People could show their high school ID and

purchase it.

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 09:03:27 -0700
Subject: [runacc] Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

 

When I tried marketing to the younger folks here in the Phoenix cosplay community, an issue I ran into was “price point”… they couldn’t afford Costume-Con.

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3111 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

Generally, I agree. However, I have made a few comments below.

 

Byron

 

 

On Jun 27, 2016, at 11:11 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Comments below – they are only my opinions.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 10:40 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)




I recently got back from AnimeNext where I was promoting CC35. I’ve been doing CC promo at anime and comic-cons on and off for around 4 years now, and have recently been mulling over my experiences and thoughts about what needs to be done to carry Costume-Con into the future and keep it successful and relevant.

I feel very strongly about Costume-Con and really love it. Because of this I’m very concerned about how best to attract younger costumers, because most of them have come up through the anime and comic-con circuit which is in most cases completely separate from the older sci-fi and literary con circuit. So many costumers who would have a blast at CC never even hear about it.

Here are some of my thoughts about what’s needed. I am willing to put my money where my mouth is and pitch in for a lot of this, but it would be great to get some help ;D

#1 – Improving Web Presence

First off, we urgently need a modern, accessible, centralized Costume-Con.com page so that when people google ‘Costume-Con’ they find useful, up-to-date information AND see something that will get them interested. This is the most critical thing. The current page is both out-of-date in terms of information, and makes the casual observer assume that the event is either defunct or very disorganized. Cosplayers are extremely web-savvy and are unlikely to take a chance on a con that has a weak web presence. We need something in line with the websites for your standard modern comic, media or anime con if we want the younger generation of costumers to not dismiss us out of hand without even finding out that CC has great stuff going on.

I would be happy to build and maintain a new costume-con.com page. I WANT to do it, I just need to be able to access the domain. If someone else is going to do it, that’s great, but it is extremely important that it gets done ASAP. Many people I was talking to at AnimeNext were very interested in attending CC37 in Salem and other future CCs, but without a functional centralized way of finding CC (and if they don’t know the CC# to search for it), we will continue to struggle at attracting new attendees. It’s about more than just promoting the current or upcoming CC; many people are now hearing about the con for the first time and we need to think about the long game.

Ideally the new page would have some good graphics, eye-catching photos, and clear, basic info about what CC is, how it works, why cosplayers should be interested. What it does that is different from other cons.

I absolutely agree.   The website has desperately been in need for updating for years.  The “countdown clock” has made me clench my teeth for a long time.  I say, if someone wants to take on the task of a makeover, LET THEM DO IT!   DON’T LET THEM GET AWAY!

#2 – Promotion at other cons

I think it would be really useful to have eye-catching promo material that is non-year-specific, that can be reused and passed on. It is critical to do outreach at anime and comic-cons in the areas near upcoming CCs, not just to get them to register for the upcoming one, but to spread awareness of CC and get them talking to their local costuming communities, to spread interest and excitement. I’m planning on getting at least one large-format banner printed that could be used by many successive CCs for promotion at anime and comic-cons, as well as some postcards that have a brief explanation of CC’s concept and the dates/locations of the next few upcoming CCs. So even if they can’t make the next one, they can start planning for future CCs. 

The important thing is grabbing people’s attention and then explaining what CC can offer them. The spiel I’ve found which works the best usually touches on:

– 4 days of nonstop costuming/cosplay!

– any kind of costume is welcome, from media recreation to historical to original design! This is especially useful to emphasize, as many anime cons only allow or embrace Japanese-origin costumes. Many cosplayers would like to branch out but don’t know there’s a venue that would welcome this!

– 4 different competitions, including a fashion design competition

– dealer’s room full of costume supplies

– shopping tours

– all the panels and workshops are about learning cool new skills and techniques

– “It’s basically cosplayer heaven”

In addition, every CC committee (and anyone in the general area of an upcoming CC) should be connecting with local cosplay groups on Facebook and in-person to do outreach. 
– Send someone to every anime and comic-con within driving distance, to not just leave a pile of flyers somewhere, but sit at a table with an eye-catching display and explain CC to people. 
– Print out promotional material that has lots of nice colour photos and big text explaining the basic elements of CC and what it can offer. For CC32 we went through a lot of double-sided colour postcards – they can have basic info, are eye-catching, easy to read and memorable. Paper registration forms aren’t really needed much anymore – most people at anime & comic-cons will be registering online. 
– See someone walk by with a fantastic costume? Flag them down, hand them a flyer/postcard, explain what Costume-Con is. 
This is the kind of thing of which Dawn and I did a lot in the years leading up to CC32.

Much of this we’ve been saying for years, but I think the MACS/CC34 really put this into practice.   If you guys were doing it too, then good on ya.

 

#3 – Retaining New Attendees

I have heard time and again from younger people who have attended a CC for the first time that they felt excluded and isolated – that the atmosphere was very insular, that there was a clear assumption that everyone should already know how everything worked, that info was hard to find, that newcomers were mostly left to fend for themselves and felt left out as a result. I know that many CC conrunners have done great work to be more inclusive, but we need to keep working at that and do more. It may seem tedious to CC veterans, but we need to start aiming our promotional material and websites at people who have never attended a CC (or Worldcon, or similar con) before, and make sure we always have some programming tailored for both veterans and newcomers.

 

I mostly agree with this.   Knowledge about CC has always been relatively de-centralized.   The time is already here to recognize that there will be fewer and fewer committees made up of people from the earlier days of CC who know the ropes.   And in turn, without guidance, regulars can’t grump if traditions and formats aren’t maintained because more often than not many of the future committees will have attended few, if any, CCs before they run their own.

 

Nora and I have found that having a “My First Costume-Con” panel at the con is a critical first step to making people feel included.   Every person that attended that panel came away with a much better impression of the con.   But, of course, not everyone is going to attend it.     So, yes, there needs to be helpful information published both on line and in the program book.   I wrote an FAQ for CC25 that has been used by some of the following CCs that can be tweaked.

Can someone elucidate the helpful information that ought to be published? Just saying “helpful information” is about as useful as the high-level abstractions in a political candidate’s stump speech. Let’s have some specifics, please.

 

In Summary

There are plenty of cosplayers who just want to dress up and have fun, who have little interest in branching out or learning other techniques, and that’s fine. CC is not the place for them. But there are still a LOT of cosplayers attending anime and comic-cons who definitely are interested in the kind of things that CC can offer, and they just have no idea there is a venue for that. I talk to them at cons all the time and they are excited about Costume-Con, and amazed that it has existed for so long while they’ve never heard of it. Is every cosplayer who tries CC once going to become a regular who throws themselves into it wholeheartedly? Of course not, but we won’t get the die-hards without reaching out to everyone.

 

Over a decade ago, as we were watching the cosplay phenomenon grow by leaps and bounds, we said that if we could capture just 10% of that crowd, it could double the attendance at CCs.



If we want CC to not just survive but thrive, we need to keep reaching out to them. It’s going to take work to bridge the gap between our two communities. We can’t rest on our laurels and wait for them to come to us; we have to go out and convince them. It is critical to stop dismissing ‘those anime kids’, and instead embrace them as what they are – the next generation of costumers and the people who will keep Costume-Con vibrant for years to come. 

This is where the most work needs to be done, trying to merge two different cultures and generations.   Unfortunately, it could be an uphill battle to combat perceptions of each community.   A major push needs to be made to educate and have a greater understanding between the established base of attendees and the new ones we’re trying to attract.

The regular attendees are probably largely unaware that, actually, many of the younger generation of costumers/cosplayers are intimidated by those of us long-time costumers.  I recall observing any number of times how excited newbies were to be recognized by their older peers, validating their work in a competitive venue.  But there’s still work to be done regarding the masquerade costuming community regarding competition.   I’m reminded of Yaya Han’s (incorrect) perception of the “strict ICG rules” mentioned in an episode of “Heroes of Cosplay”.   Scoff if you want, but it’s a perception held by many people who have not actually attended a CC.

What is the nature of the mis-perception? If we don’t know what the incorrect beliefs are, there’s little we can do to counteract them. More specifics, please.

Regarding “cliques”.    This works both ways.   I explained in the FAQ that many people may only get to see each other in person once a year, so they may not be as proactive about talking to newbies as they perhaps should be, if they want the con to grow.   You also have to keep in mind that many costumers, both young and old, are shy.  Shyness can be mistaken as aloofness.   It’s a common mistake made by shy or new people to hope they will be noticed and approached.    That’s not the way things generally work.  It’s just a fact of human nature, even at CC.   Are there things that can be done?  Absolutely.

I’m not shy, but I’m not outgoing, either. I prefer to sit by myself. I don’t approach people I haven’t met; that’s not in my nature. Maybe we need to commission our outgoing types to take the lead in glad-handing newbies. If they don’t know that’s what they ought to do . . . .

A thought about promotion:  in any material, show that the hobby appeals to all ages.  Include old recreation photos from earlier decades.   Have people of all ages in recreations today.  But also show there’s a whole ‘nother world of creativity with original works not just by the older generation, but also the younger ones (there are fewer of them, but they’re out there).  Make sure works from other shows don’t get overlooked, like the FFS and Historical.   This year, we had a lot of newbies in some of those shows.   Good stuff.    People need to see that.

 

Bruce

 




 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3112 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

One-day memberships also could help. Albacon is an SF con, not a costume-con, but we’ve had a fair amount of success by offering a “Saturday only” $10 membership. It tends to bring in younger fans who can’t afford a full membership and have other events to  distract them on the weekend (studying, church, sports, and so forth). Remember, you’re in competition with every other event that weekend.

 

Byron

 

 

On Jun 28, 2016, at 12:56 PM, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

That’s one of the reasons we had a $25 student ticket for CC32. People could show their high school ID and

purchase it.


Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  




To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 09:03:27 -0700
Subject: [runacc] Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

 

When I tried marketing to the younger folks here in the Phoenix cosplay community, an issue I ran into was “price point”… they couldn’t afford Costume-Con.

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3113 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

Bruce Mai Wrote: “I’m reminded of Yaya Han’s (incorrect) perception of the “strict ICG rules” mentioned in an episode of “Heroes of Cosplay”.   Scoff if you want, but it’s a perception held by many people who have not actually attended a CC.”

Byron Wrote: “What is the nature of the mis-perception? If we don’t know what the incorrect beliefs are, there’s little we can do to counteract them. More specifics, please. ”

There are numerous odd perceptions, so odd in fact that I can’t recall all of them. When I have the time I’ll delve into the old Cosplay.com files and try to find some of the many threads that I,  Maral, Karisu, Danny, (Aurora?) and others have been involved in trying to set the record straight.

Much of the initial damage was done by a cosplayer known as Saeto. (who tried to be in Yaya’s sphere for some time at the beginning of Yaya’s initial climb to notoriety), and possibly imbued Yaya with some of these notions.

This person has done so much damage to all communities that she actually had an Encyclopedia Dramatica entry written about her.

There are a few others, who either misunderstood the guidelines, or “heard stories”, and thus pontificated and expounded on them with no actual personal experience.

Locally the Guidelines are more well known so this seems to be a less of an issue for us, but we still have to work with people who have never heard of them to make them understand the merits. 🙂 That’s just part of being  a good promotional team.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3114 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

I hope you can do so. I can’t address lies if I don’t know what lies are being told.

 

Beyond that, there seems to be a divide between old fogies like me and those who grew up with and still enjoy cosplay. Frankly, I don’t. I attended a cosplay convention once and was rather bored. Consequently, I’m not sure howe much I and costumers like me can contribute to refuting lies.
I do get the general perception that some people do not understand that costume-con isn’t an ICG activity. I get the impression that some people don’t realize that you can enter the master division by checking that box on an entry form; they seem to think the master division is restricted to entrants with certain numbers and types of awards. Maybe it is at the type of cons they attend, but they don’t even read the form. I get the impression that they’ve never read the Fairness Guidelines and that they believe the guidelines are binding on individual masquerade directors. (That’s why I argued, in the early 2000s, in favor of simply repealing the guidelines.) I get the impression that some people think that “we” (whoever “we” are) keep track of who won what at which event. Maybe this is because it’s what they would do if they were “in charge.”
I find all this very frustrating. For the past decade at least, we’ve been unable, it appears to me, to make any progress. If they don’t want to listen, they won’t do so, no matter how much we glitz up our stuff..
Byron

 

 

On Jun 28, 2016, at 3:17 PM, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Bruce Mai Wrote: “I’m reminded of Yaya Han’s (incorrect) perception of the “strict ICG rules” mentioned in an episode of “Heroes of Cosplay”.   Scoff if you want, but it’s a perception held by many people who have not actually attended a CC.”

Byron Wrote: “What is the nature of the mis-perception? If we don’t know what the incorrect beliefs are, there’s little we can do to counteract them. More specifics, please. “

There are numerous odd perceptions, so odd in fact that I can’t recall all of them. When I have the time I’ll delve into the old Cosplay.com files and try to find some of the many threads that I,  Maral, Karisu, Danny, (Aurora?) and others have been involved in trying to set the record straight. 

Much of the initial damage was done by a cosplayer known as Saeto. (who tried to be in Yaya’s sphere for some time at the beginning of Yaya’s initial climb to notoriety), and possibly imbued Yaya with some of these notions. 

This person has done so much damage to all communities that she actually had an Encyclopedia Dramatica entry written about her.

There are a few others, who either misunderstood the guidelines, or “heard stories”, and thus pontificated and expounded on them with no actual personal experience.

Locally the Guidelines are more well known so this seems to be a less of an issue for us, but we still have to work with people who have never heard of them to make them understand the merits. 🙂 That’s just part of being  a good promotional team.

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3115 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

I unintentionally omitted the Mai’s from  of people who commented on Cosplay.com.
They have also been heavily involved in many threads there, often specifically in relation to the ICG and the Guidelines.
(Sorry guys!)

Some of the threads I’m quickly skimming are from 2004 – 2005 and sorry Byron I can’t quote large chunks of the oddness
because it seems Saeto deleted her account and all her posts, and indeed some threads in their entirety. :/

A link to an example of a later/saner thread. http://www.cosplay.com/showthread.php?t=66267&highlight=guidelines

Side note to Byron: Erol, (read Cosplay.com’s personal devils advocate – haha 😀 ) asks on the first page :
“Does ICG keep track of a member’s number of awards, or is this on the honor system?”

 

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3116 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

Addendum: 

 
This thread is of a later date (2005) and contains far less misinformation than usual, (some due to deleted posts).
 
Ignore whenever someone uses the phrase, “most anime conventions”. This is almost exclusively means
“the few anime conventions in my area of personal experience”.
 

This is why I now always try to frame it as, “Anime Cons in my area.” or name the specific cons or geographic area I’m talking about.

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 18:23:44 -0400
Subject: RE: [runacc] Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

 

I unintentionally omitted the Mai’s from  of people who commented on Cosplay.com.
They have also been heavily involved in many threads there, often specifically in relation to the ICG and the Guidelines.
(Sorry guys!)

Some of the threads I’m quickly skimming are from 2004 – 2005 and sorry Byron I can’t quote large chunks of the oddness
because it seems Saeto deleted her account and all her posts, and indeed some threads in their entirety. :/

A link to an example of a later/saner thread. http://www.cosplay.com/showthread.php?t=66267&highlight=guidelines

Side note to Byron: Erol, (read Cosplay.com’s personal devils advocate – haha 😀 ) asks on the first page :
“Does ICG keep track of a member’s number of awards, or is this on the honor system?”

 

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3117 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Example misconception

 

Example misconception:

I actually dislike the ICG guidelines, because there’s only one WorldCon and one CostumeCon per year – very difficult to ever get out of competing in Novice class by those standards. And who can afford WorldCon anyway? ”

————

Addressed long ago in 2004, but an example of someone thinking they can only “rank up”* (not my words), if they attend Costume-Con or Worldcon.

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3118 From: Kevin Roche Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

I was active on Cosplay.com for a while when I directed the Anime LA masquerade. I tried to be a costuming resource as well as an “ambassador” from our generation and the ICG.

I freely admit I stopped trying so hard there after a particular incident. We had to disqualify and revoke two awards from the ALA contest after the fact for rules violations (one for lying about having a ALA membership, the other for submitting purchased costume for workmanship judging as her own work. Both easily verified.). I’d posted the awards oat cosplay.com, so I also posted notice of the revocations.
One of the revokees turned out to be a cosplay.com moderator. Another moderator deleted all my posts about the revocations. I discovered I had a limit to my patience with that sort of foolish online behavior.
On the other hand, I’ve had so many wonderful experiences in person with the younger generation of cosplayers. I taught a couple just last Sunday about using a cake knife and/or electric carving knife for shaping foam. They were working on what should be an amazing giant battle axe.
I think I’ll keep looking for the latter sort of interactions to connect with “the cosplay generation”.

 

On Tuesday, June 28, 2016, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Addendum: 

 
This thread is of a later date (2005) and contains far less misinformation than usual, (some due to deleted posts).
 
Ignore whenever someone uses the phrase, “most anime conventions”. This is almost exclusively means
“the few anime conventions in my area of personal experience”.
 

This is why I now always try to frame it as, “Anime Cons in my area.” or name the specific cons or geographic area I’m talking about.

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 18:23:44 -0400
Subject: RE: [runacc] Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

 

I unintentionally omitted the Mai’s from  of people who commented on Cosplay.com.
They have also been heavily involved in many threads there, often specifically in relation to the ICG and the Guidelines.
(Sorry guys!)

Some of the threads I’m quickly skimming are from 2004 – 2005 and sorry Byron I can’t quote large chunks of the oddness
because it seems Saeto deleted her account and all her posts, and indeed some threads in their entirety. :/

A link to an example of a later/saner thread. http://www.cosplay.com/showthread.php?t=66267&highlight=guidelines

Side note to Byron: Erol, (read Cosplay.com’s personal devils advocate – haha 😀 ) asks on the first page :
“Does ICG keep track of a member’s number of awards, or is this on the honor system?”

 

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3119 From: Vicky Young Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

For better or for worse, Cosplay.com seems to be a bit of a dying entity. I used to be active there several years ago, but it seems that only a handful of people remain over there. CC34 made an attempt to connect with cosplayers there, but we had significantly less success than previous CCs. We tried to figure out where they went, and our best guess was social media.
Vicky A. 
On Tuesday, June 28, 2016 6:24 PM, “Kevin Roche kevin@twistedimage.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I was active on Cosplay.com for a while when I directed the Anime LA masquerade. I tried to be a costuming resource as well as an “ambassador” from our generation and the ICG.
I freely admit I stopped trying so hard there after a particular incident. We had to disqualify and revoke two awards from the ALA contest after the fact for rules violations (one for lying about having a ALA membership, the other for submitting purchased costume for workmanship judging as her own work. Both easily verified.). I’d posted the awards oat cosplay.com, so I also posted notice of the revocations.
One of the revokees turned out to be a cosplay.com moderator. Another moderator deleted all my posts about the revocations. I discovered I had a limit to my patience with that sort of foolish online behavior.
On the other hand, I’ve had so many wonderful experiences in person with the younger generation of cosplayers. I taught a couple just last Sunday about using a cake knife and/or electric carving knife for shaping foam. They were working on what should be an amazing giant battle axe.
I think I’ll keep looking for the latter sort of interactions to connect with “the cosplay generation”.


On Tuesday, June 28, 2016, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 



Addendum: 

 
This thread is of a later date (2005) and contains far less misinformation than usual, (some due to deleted posts).
 
Ignore whenever someone uses the phrase, “most anime conventions”. This is almost exclusively means
“the few anime conventions in my area of personal experience”.
 

This is why I now always try to frame it as, “Anime Cons in my area.” or name the specific cons or geographic area I’m talking about.


Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  




To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 18:23:44 -0400
Subject: RE: [runacc] Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

 

I unintentionally omitted the Mai’s from  of people who commented on Cosplay.com. 
They have also been heavily involved in many threads there, often specifically in relation to the ICG and the Guidelines. 
(Sorry guys!)

Some of the threads I’m quickly skimming are from 2004 – 2005 and sorry Byron I can’t quote large chunks of the oddness
because it seems Saeto deleted her account and all her posts, and indeed some threads in their entirety. :/


A link to an example of a later/saner thread. http://www.cosplay.com/showthread.php?t=66267&highlight=guidelines

Side note to Byron: Erol, (read Cosplay.com’s personal devils advocate – haha 😀 ) asks on the first page :
“Does ICG keep track of a member’s number of awards, or is this on the honor system?”



Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3120 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

 

Okay, I’m going to post what I cut out in the original email, because I thought I was getting too far into the weeds.   But for the purposes of your question, Byron, I spoke to the generational and cultural  divides.   Glad I kept it.

 

 

On the one hand you have those who say “Don’t call us kids!”.   Heck, my parents still call Nora and me “the kids” and I’m going to be turning 60 shortly.  But I understand the complaint – the youthful exuberance of the younger generations raised on media tend to grate on the older people – who probably forget they were that way at that age.   There is also a perception of narcissism that is perpetuated by a relatively small subset of cosplayers who seek some sort of “celebrity”.   So the rest of the cosplay community gets tarred with the same brush, which is unfair.    The rest of the cosplayer community often roll their eyes at those people as much as everyone else.    And there’s a certain amount of jealousy involved with older costumers.   Truth be told, had the media outlets and the Internet been available in the ’80s, we’d have taken advantage of them, too.    I’ve spoken any number of times wistfully of the wish we’d had the kinds of photographers that produce some amazing professional images of cosplayers these days.

On the other hand, there needs to be better introductions to the costuming community that we participate in.  It’s been my observation that younger cosplayers costume/live very much in the “now”.  There’s very little interest in what has come before.     It’s all about what they’re going to be doing next.   I see all sorts of posts about “here’s what I’ll be wearing at X con” (see above about “celebrity”).   Only now are we starting to see a few attempts at gaining a sense of history.  Most of the online articles are earnest, but they frequently get some facts wrong.    And there’s definitely a resentment of some people calling everything in the past “cosplay”.    I blame the media for that, to some extent.   But if that’s all you know, and don’t know what came before, then what are you to conclude?  

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 3:01 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

I hope you can do so. I can’t address lies if I don’t know what lies are being told.

Beyond that, there seems to be a divide between old fogies like me and those who grew up with and still enjoy cosplay. Frankly, I don’t. I attended a cosplay convention once and was rather bored. Consequently, I’m not sure howe much I and costumers like me can contribute to refuting lies.

I do get the general perception that some people do not understand that costume-con isn’t an ICG activity. I get the impression that some people don’t realize that you can enter the master division by checking that box on an entry form; they seem to think the master division is restricted to entrants with certain numbers and types of awards. Maybe it is at the type of cons they attend, but they don’t even read the form. I get the impression that they’ve never read the Fairness Guidelines and that they believe the guidelines are binding on individual masquerade directors. (That’s why I argued, in the early 2000s, in favor of simply repealing the guidelines.) I get the impression that some people think that “we” (whoever “we” are) keep track of who won what at which event. Maybe this is because it’s what they would do if they were “in charge.”

I find all this very frustrating. For the past decade at least, we’ve been unable, it appears to me, to make any progress. If they don’t want to listen, they won’t do so, no matter how much we glitz up our stuff..

Byron

 

On Jun 28, 2016, at 3:17 PM, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Bruce Mai Wrote: “I’m reminded of Yaya Han’s (incorrect) perception of the “strict ICG rules” mentioned in an episode of “Heroes of Cosplay”.   Scoff if you want, but it’s a perception held by many people who have not actually attended a CC.”

Byron Wrote: “What is the nature of the mis-perception? If we don’t know what the incorrect beliefs are, there’s little we can do to counteract them. More specifics, please. ”

There are numerous odd perceptions, so odd in fact that I can’t recall all of them. When I have the time I’ll delve into the old Cosplay.com files and try to find some of the many threads that I,  Maral, Karisu, Danny, (Aurora?) and others have been involved in trying to set the record straight.

Much of the initial damage was done by a cosplayer known as Saeto. (who tried to be in Yaya’s sphere for some time at the beginning of Yaya’s initial climb to notoriety), and possibly imbued Yaya with some of these notions. 

This person has done so much damage to all communities that she actually had an Encyclopedia Dramatica entry written about her.

 

There are a few others, who either misunderstood the guidelines, or “heard stories”, and thus pontificated and expounded on them with no actual personal experience.

Locally the Guidelines are more well known so this seems to be a less of an issue for us, but we still have to work with people who have never heard of them to make them understand the merits. 🙂 That’s just part of being  a good promotional team.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3121 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

 

Wow.   Really?   We hadn’t heard about that last part.   Interesting.   Sorta takes pettiness to a new level

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 6:24 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

I was active on Cosplay.com for a while when I directed the Anime LA masquerade. I tried to be a costuming resource as well as an “ambassador” from our generation and the ICG.

I freely admit I stopped trying so hard there after a particular incident. We had to disqualify and revoke two awards from the ALA contest after the fact for rules violations (one for lying about having a ALA membership, the other for submitting purchased costume for workmanship judging as her own work. Both easily verified.). I’d posted the awards oat cosplay.com, so I also posted notice of the revocations.

One of the revokees turned out to be a cosplay.com moderator. Another moderator deleted all my posts about the revocations. I discovered I had a limit to my patience with that sort of foolish online behavior.

On Tuesday, June 28, 2016, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Addendum: 

This thread is of a later date (2005) and contains far less misinformation than usual, (some due to deleted posts).

Ignore whenever someone uses the phrase, “most anime conventions”. This is almost exclusively means
“the few anime conventions in my area of personal experience”.

This is why I now always try to frame it as, “Anime Cons in my area.” or name the specific cons or geographic area I’m talking about.

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North

Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3122 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

 

This was a good idea that clearly paid off.   The MACS were also pretty successful  in getting a lot of preregs, as I noted in the review.   Much fewer walk-ins than normal.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 11:57 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [runacc] Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

That’s one of the reasons we had a $25 student ticket for CC32. People could show their high school ID and

purchase it.

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North

Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 

 


 

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 09:03:27 -0700
Subject: [runacc] Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

When I tried marketing to the younger folks here in the Phoenix cosplay community, an issue I ran into was “price point”… they couldn’t afford Costume-Con.

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3123 From: ma0902432 Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

I like the ideas of offering one-day memberships (I think most
CC’s have been offering this), and Masquerade tickets for the shows (F
& SF, Historical, and the Fashion Show).
A student membership, for HS or college students is great
too.
Honestly I do believe that  the responsibility for
greeting people/being friendly, starting conversations should be a shared
one.  I actually well remember being a newcomer at CC9, and generally
people would talk to me.  Getting a hall costume award the second day was
the absolute zenith of the con for me, and I kind of felt accepted after
that.  By CC10 in Lincoln, I felt like I had a small but terrific group of
friends to hang with.  If “My First Costume Con” panels had existed, I
would have been ecstatic, I agree with offering this panel both Friday afternoon
and Sat. morning.  And that perhaps it should be different people each
time. 
I’d like to see the “Costumer Retrospectives” make a come back
because I think that is actually a good way to get to know people for the newer
attendees.   
How about at the Friday night party, have a sort of “Opening
Ceremony, and ask all the new attendees to stand so we can applaud them?
Also, perhaps there would be some mechanism for offering a
discounted membership to some percentage of people who seek us out and have
already costumed at a con?  Kind of a “we believe in you”
grant.
Lisa a

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3124 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Example misconception

I suspect this is because of an ongoing difference in the way other masquerades are handled. I thought we were concise and clear about the guidelines being flexible and also that they could be adapted for the needs of each masquerade. Further, that people don’t keep scorecards or kill sheets or any sort of certifying documentation, so yes, honor system.

I would hope that with 12 years gone since the complaint, things would have improved, but I could be wrong.

-b

 

 

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 6:35 PM, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Example misconception:

I actually dislike the ICG guidelines, because there’s only one WorldCon and one CostumeCon per year – very difficult to ever get out of competing in Novice class by those standards. And who can afford WorldCon anyway? ”

————

Addressed long ago in 2004, but an example of someone thinking they can only “rank up”* (not my words), if they attend Costume-Con or Worldcon.

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 

 

 

 


Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3125 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

 

Comments inserted

 

Nora

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 7:35 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

I like the ideas of offering one-day memberships (I think most CC’s have been offering this), and Masquerade tickets for the shows (F & SF, Historical, and the Fashion Show).

A student membership, for HS or college students is great too.

Honestly I do believe that  the responsibility for greeting people/being friendly, starting conversations should be a shared one.  I actually well remember being a newcomer at CC9, and generally people would talk to me.  Getting a hall costume award the second day was the absolute zenith of the con for me, and I kind of felt accepted after that.  By CC10 in Lincoln, I felt like I had a small but terrific group of friends to hang with.  If “My First Costume Con” panels had existed, I would have been ecstatic, I agree with offering this panel both Friday afternoon and Sat. morning.  And that perhaps it should be different people each time. 

We thoroughly enjoy doing these panels – it gives us a chance to pass on our own enthusiasm and share the joy we have in CC. It also allows us to meet a bunch of the newbies all at once so when we see them later we recognize them already. I think that if more veterans showed up at this panel it would increase the welcome factor.

It’s worth repeating as a panel even with different participants as long as the same material is covered each time. Guess there would have to be an outline, and maybe a handout for the first-timers.

I’d like to see the “Costumer Retrospectives” make a come back because I think that is actually a good way to get to know people for the newer attendees.   

How about at the Friday night party, have a sort of “Opening Ceremony, and ask all the new attendees to stand so we can applaud them? 

This is always very nice usually lead by the MC. And I’ve seen it done at the F&SF as well.

Also, perhaps there would be some mechanism for offering a discounted membership to some percentage of people who seek us out and have already costumed at a con?  Kind of a “we believe in you” grant.

Lisa a

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3126 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Example misconception – the “Guidelines”

 

 

Oh, hell, people are still calling them “rules”.   Sloppy shorthand, but there you go.  I’ve heard longtimers make the same mistake, and they know the difference.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 9:35 PM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: Re: [runacc] Example misconception

I suspect this is because of an ongoing difference in the way other masquerades are handled. I thought we were concise and clear about the guidelines being flexible and also that they could be adapted for the needs of each masquerade. Further, that people don’t keep scorecards or kill sheets or any sort of certifying documentation, so yes, honor system.

I would hope that with 12 years gone since the complaint, things would have improved, but I could be wrong.

-b

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 6:35 PM, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Example misconception:

I actually dislike the ICG guidelines, because there’s only one WorldCon and one CostumeCon per year – very difficult to ever get out of competing in Novice class by those standards. And who can afford WorldCon anyway? ”

————

Addressed long ago in 2004, but an example of someone thinking they can only “rank up”* (not my words), if they attend Costume-Con or Worldcon.

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North

Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  


Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3127 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: “My First Costume-Con” (RE: [runacc] Some ideas for promoting CC)

 

 

It’s a good idea, although when it was done at CC32, fewer people showed up on Saturday because it was in competition with all the other panels going on.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 7:35 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

If “My First Costume Con” panels had existed, I would have been ecstatic, I agree with offering this panel both Friday afternoon and Sat. morning.  And that perhaps it should be different people each time. 

Lisa a

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3128 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/29/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

I remember both those incidents Kevin.

 
I was surprised by the person “Ghosting”. They should have known well better than that. >_>


I remember them bragging about it too on livejournal at one point. It was very awkward. >_>

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 19:26:37 -0500
Subject: RE: [runacc] Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

 

Wow.   Really?   We hadn’t heard about that last part.   Interesting.   Sorta takes pettiness to a new level

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 6:24 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

I was active on Cosplay.com for a while when I directed the Anime LA masquerade. I tried to be a costuming resource as well as an “ambassador” from our generation and the ICG.

I freely admit I stopped trying so hard there after a particular incident. We had to disqualify and revoke two awards from the ALA contest after the fact for rules violations (one for lying about having a ALA membership, the other for submitting purchased costume for workmanship judging as her own work. Both easily verified.). I’d posted the awards oat cosplay.com, so I also posted notice of the revocations.

One of the revokees turned out to be a cosplay.com moderator. Another moderator deleted all my posts about the revocations. I discovered I had a limit to my patience with that sort of foolish online behavior.

On Tuesday, June 28, 2016, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Addendum: 

This thread is of a later date (2005) and contains far less misinformation than usual, (some due to deleted posts).

Ignore whenever someone uses the phrase, “most anime conventions”. This is almost exclusively means
“the few anime conventions in my area of personal experience”.

This is why I now always try to frame it as, “Anime Cons in my area.” or name the specific cons or geographic area I’m talking about.

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North

Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3129 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/29/2016
Subject: Re: Example misconception

 

Since the originator of that particular complaint was a member of a more recent Costume-Con Comittee, 

I’d say things have improved.^_~ 
 
(Name withheld to protect the innocent).
 
Many of the weirder perceptions have been going by the wayside. I think due in large part by the constant outreach and education of ICG members and friends.

 

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 22:34:56 -0400
Subject: Re: [runacc] Example misconception

 

 

I suspect this is because of an ongoing difference in the way other masquerades are handled. I thought we were concise and clear about the guidelines being flexible and also that they could be adapted for the needs of each masquerade. Further, that people don’t keep scorecards or kill sheets or any sort of certifying documentation, so yes, honor system.

I would hope that with 12 years gone since the complaint, things would have improved, but I could be wrong.

-b

 

 

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 6:35 PM, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Example misconception:

I actually dislike the ICG guidelines, because there’s only one WorldCon and one CostumeCon per year – very difficult to ever get out of competing in Novice class by those standards. And who can afford WorldCon anyway? ”

————

Addressed long ago in 2004, but an example of someone thinking they can only “rank up”* (not my words), if they attend Costume-Con or Worldcon.

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 

 

 

 


Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3130 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/29/2016
Subject: Re: “My First Costume-Con” (RE: [runacc] Some ideas for promoting C

 

As long as the people who showed up on Saturday were not the same ones there on Friday, you reached some new newbies, so it was a success.

 

Byron

 

 

On Jun 28, 2016, at 11:03 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

It’s a good idea, although when it was done at CC32, fewer people showed up on Saturday because it was in competition with all the other panels going on.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 7:35 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)




If “My First Costume Con” panels had existed, I would have been ecstatic, I agree with offering this panel both Friday afternoon and Sat. morning.  And that perhaps it should be different people each time.  

Lisa a




 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3131 From: Rick Kovalcik Date: 7/4/2016
Subject: costumecon 37 table at Worldcon

FYI, Costume-Con 37 has asked for a fan table at MAC2 (Worldcon) this August.   If CC 35 and CC 36 are not planning for a presence there and would like to send us some flyers / other info, we would be happy to put them out at our table.   Please contact me off list, if you want to take us up on this offer.

-Rick Kovalcik
MCFI President

(MCFI is the 501c3 behind CC37)

+1-508-259-6819 (worldwide cell phone)

 

Group: runacc Message: 3132 From: Kevin Roche Date: 7/7/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

 

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 9:26 PM, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
I was surprised by the person “Ghosting”. They should have known well better than that. >_>

I remember them bragging about it too on livejournal at one point. It was very awkward. >_>

 

That was actually how we found out about it! If she hadn’t bragged on a public comment thread we would not have known.
The real tragedy was that the reason she didn’t register was because she busy in her room sewing while her friends were at the con.
I actually had a fast radio link to a reg clerk and we could have fixed it in about 5 minutes in the green room, but instead she chose to lie to Zelda when they checked in.

 

Group: runacc Message: 3133 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/7/2016
Subject: Taking back a Worldcon Award (was: Some ideas for promoting CC)

 

 

Hm.    Given how unusual an incident this was, we probably ought to have the entire account of this in the Archives.  Might be something for part of our Oral History project.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 5:07 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 9:26 PM, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I was surprised by the person “Ghosting”. They should have known well better than that. >_>


I remember them bragging about it too on livejournal at one point. It was very awkward. >_>

That was actually how we found out about it! If she hadn’t bragged on a public comment thread we would not have known.

The real tragedy was that the reason she didn’t register was because she busy in her room sewing while her friends were at the con.
I actually had a fast radio link to a reg clerk and we could have fixed it in about 5 minutes in the green room, but instead she chose to lie to Zelda when they checked in.


Posted by: Kevin Roche <kevin@twistedimage.com>


 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3134 From: Kevin Roche Date: 7/8/2016
Subject: Re: Taking back a Worldcon Award (was: Some ideas for promoting CC)
To clarify — this was Anime Los Angeles, not Worldcon. But still very unusual.

 

 

On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 8:20 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hm.    Given how unusual an incident this was, we probably ought to have the entire account of this in the Archives.  Might be something for part of our Oral History project.

 

Bruce

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3135 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/8/2016
Subject: Re: Taking back a Worldcon Award (was: Some ideas for promoting CC)

 

 

Ah, right.   Thanks for the correction, but still noteworthy.

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 11:09 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Taking back a Worldcon Award (was: Some ideas for promoting CC)

To clarify — this was Anime Los Angeles, not Worldcon. But still very unusual.

On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 8:20 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hm.    Given how unusual an incident this was, we probably ought to have the entire account of this in the Archives.  Might be something for part of our Oral History project.

 

Bruce

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3136 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 7/29/2016
Subject: Madison Info
Has Madison released any info about their membership numbers, budget, room pickup, etc?  It would be great if they could add this to the group or google docs and link it or something when it’s ready.  History has shown the longer the wait to get this to the next CC the more likely it is to be lost.

~Aurora

 

Group: runacc Message: 3137 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 7/30/2016
Subject: Fwd: Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration for

Guys?

If you are going to set up electronic payment options, please also provide alternative means for contact, so that if the form fails, there are other ways to get to you. This complaint came to me because I am still info@. I’m fixing that tonight.

Thanks! Betsy

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: “Carl Coling” <ccolingtmcc@hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 30, 2016 9:08 PM
Subject: Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration form for Costume Con
To: “info@Costume-Con.org” <info@costume-con.org>
Cc:

 

I tried once again to fill out my registration form, and then click the “pay now by paypal or credit card” button.  I got an error message, so I followed the directions to send info the webmaster, but that came back with a mailer-daemon (showing some code
indicating an issue, and that the to address wasn’t active or correct.

 

Will you folks PLEASE come up with some way to send in payments??????? It would be helpful!

 

Carl Coling

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3138 From: Kaijugal . Date: 7/31/2016
Subject: Re: Fwd: Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration

 

Which Costume-Con is the issue?

I’m guessing it’s not CC35 since both the email and snail mail address’ are up on the
registration page, however

just in case I’m asking since I’m sure most of the core CC35 staff is away and up to their necks in Con Bravo this weekend

and I’l be happy to help if it’s CC35.

~Dawn

 

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 


From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: July 30, 2016 10:22 PM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: [runacc] Fwd: Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration form for Costume Con

 

Guys?

If you are going to set up electronic payment options, please also provide alternative means for contact, so that if the form fails, there are other ways to get to you. This complaint came to me because I am still info@. I’m fixing that tonight.

Thanks! Betsy

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: “Carl Coling” <ccolingtmcc@hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 30, 2016 9:08 PM
Subject: Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration form for Costume Con
To: “info@Costume-Con.org” <info@costume-con.org>
Cc:

 

I tried once again to fill out my registration form, and then click the “pay now by paypal or credit card” button.  I got an error message, so I followed the directions to send info the webmaster, but that came back with a mailer-daemon (showing some code
indicating an issue, and that the to address wasn’t active or correct.

 

Will you folks PLEASE come up with some way to send in payments??????? It would be helpful!

 

Carl Coling

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3139 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 7/31/2016
Subject: Re: Fwd: Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration

This is particularly about 2018, but my comment applies to all of them. I strongly recommend asking someone from outside your concom to check your site for usability and test all the forms as well. And the chair should test as well.

Meanwhile, if the  system stripped the email address off the message I sent, let me know.

Betsy

 

 

On Jul 31, 2016 1:55 AM, “‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Which Costume-Con is the issue?

I’m guessing it’s not CC35 since both the email and snail mail address’ are up on the
registration page, however

just in case I’m asking since I’m sure most of the core CC35 staff is away and up to their necks in Con Bravo this weekend

and I’l be happy to help if it’s CC35.

~Dawn

 

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 


From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: July 30, 2016 10:22 PM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: [runacc] Fwd: Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration form for Costume Con

 

Guys?

If you are going to set up electronic payment options, please also provide alternative means for contact, so that if the form fails, there are other ways to get to you. This complaint came to me because I am still info@. I’m fixing that tonight.

Thanks! Betsy

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: “Carl Coling” <ccolingtmcc@hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 30, 2016 9:08 PM
Subject: Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration form for Costume Con
To: “info@Costume-Con.org” <info@costume-con.org>
Cc:

I tried once again to fill out my registration form, and then click the “pay now by paypal or credit card” button.  I got an error message, so I followed the directions to send info the webmaster, but that came back with a mailer-daemon (showing some code
indicating an issue, and that the to address wasn’t active or correct.

 

Will you folks PLEASE come up with some way to send in payments??????? It would be helpful!

 

Carl Coling

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3140 From: Sharon Sbarsky Date: 7/31/2016
Subject: Re: Fwd: Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration
Yahoo include the email of the person that asked the question and info@costume-con.org for the To: address, but neither the subject or message body included a reference to which Costume-Con.

Sharon

 

 

On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 7:06 AM, Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

This is particularly about 2018, but my comment applies to all of them. I strongly recommend asking someone from outside your concom to check your site for usability and test all the forms as well. And the chair should test as well.

Meanwhile, if the  system stripped the email address off the message I sent, let me know.

Betsy

 

On Jul 31, 2016 1:55 AM, “‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Which Costume-Con is the issue?

I’m guessing it’s not CC35 since both the email and snail mail address’ are up on the
registration page, however

just in case I’m asking since I’m sure most of the core CC35 staff is away and up to their necks in Con Bravo this weekend

and I’l be happy to help if it’s CC35.

~Dawn

 

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 


From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: July 30, 2016 10:22 PM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: [runacc] Fwd: Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration form for Costume Con

 

Guys?

If you are going to set up electronic payment options, please also provide alternative means for contact, so that if the form fails, there are other ways to get to you. This complaint came to me because I am still info@. I’m fixing that tonight.

Thanks! Betsy

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: “Carl Coling” <ccolingtmcc@hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 30, 2016 9:08 PM
Subject: Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration form for Costume Con
To: “info@Costume-Con.org” <info@costume-con.org>
Cc:

I tried once again to fill out my registration form, and then click the “pay now by paypal or credit card” button.  I got an error message, so I followed the directions to send info the webmaster, but that came back with a mailer-daemon (showing some code
indicating an issue, and that the to address wasn’t active or correct.

 

Will you folks PLEASE come up with some way to send in payments??????? It would be helpful!

 

Carl Coling

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3141 From: Sharon Sbarsky Date: 7/31/2016
Subject: Re: costumecon 37 table at Worldcon
Just a small reminder that we are willing to include CC35 & CC36 flyers on our table in Kansas City.

Please let us know.

Sharon

 

 

On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 1:54 PM, Rick Kovalcik kovalcik@alum.mit.edu [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

FYI, Costume-Con 37 has asked for a fan table at MAC2 (Worldcon) this August.   If CC 35 and CC 36 are not planning for a presence there and would like to send us some flyers / other info, we would be happy to put them out at our table.   Please contact me off list, if you want to take us up on this offer.

-Rick Kovalcik
MCFI President

(MCFI is the 501c3 behind CC37)

+1-508-259-6819 (worldwide cell phone)

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3142 From: Byron Connell Date: 7/31/2016
Subject: Re: Fwd: Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration

 

I hope the 36 and 37 concoms will check the websites to make sure that multiple forms of contact (i.e., snail mail, email, and so forth) are provided. If you’re accepting payment by other than electronic means, there needs to be an instruction on how to make out a check and where to send it.

 

Byron

 

 

On Jul 31, 2016, at 10:29 AM, Sharon Sbarsky sbarsky@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Yahoo include the email of the person that asked the question and info@costume-con.org for the To: address, but neither the subject or message body included a reference to which Costume-Con.

Sharon

 

On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 7:06 AM, Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

This is particularly about 2018, but my comment applies to all of them. I strongly recommend asking someone from outside your concom to check your site for usability and test all the forms as well. And the chair should test as well.

Meanwhile, if the  system stripped the email address off the message I sent, let me know.

Betsy 

 

On Jul 31, 2016 1:55 AM, “‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



Which Costume-Con is the issue?

I’m guessing it’s not CC35 since both the email and snail mail address’ are up on the registration page, however

just in case I’m asking since I’m sure most of the core CC35 staff is away and up to their necks in Con Bravo this weekend

and I’l be happy to help if it’s CC35.

~Dawn

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  




From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: July 30, 2016 10:22 PM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: [runacc] Fwd: Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration form for Costume Con

 

Guys?

If you are going to set up electronic payment options, please also provide alternative means for contact, so that if the form fails, there are other ways to get to you. This complaint came to me because I am still info@. I’m fixing that tonight.

Thanks! Betsy 

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: “Carl Coling” <ccolingtmcc@hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 30, 2016 9:08 PM
Subject: Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration form for Costume Con
To: “info@Costume-Con.org” <info@costume-con.org>
Cc: 

I tried once again to fill out my registration form, and then click the “pay now by paypal or credit card” button.  I got an error message, so I followed the directions to send info the webmaster, but that came back with a mailer-daemon (showing some code indicating an issue, and that the to address wasn’t active or correct.

Will you folks PLEASE come up with some way to send in payments??????? It would be helpful!

Carl Coling



 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3143 From: Kaijugal . Date: 7/31/2016
Subject: Re: Fwd: Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration
Ah. Ok I see.

We’re using Ticketbud which is an external service. I just tested it to be sure anyhow. 🙂

Thanks for looking out for us Betsy.

~Dawn [😊]

Dawn McKechnie – Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North

Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!

www.animenorth.com<http://www.animenorth.com/>

 

________________________________

From: Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com

Subject:Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration form for Costume Con

 

 

This is particularly about 2018, but my comment applies to all of them. I strongly recommend asking someone from outside your concom to check your site for usability and test all the forms as well. And the chair should test as well.

 

________________________________

 

 

 

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 3144 From: beckieboo817 Date: 8/22/2016
Subject: Costume Con 36

Just so everyone knows, we’ve been working on the pay submission page and other things on the website. If you have any ideas to help with the website set up (which we will be changing this week) let me know.

 

On another note, is there anyone who would be willing to run the doll exhibit/contest at Costume Con 36?

 

Thanks in advance for your assistance.

 

Group: runacc Message: 3145 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 9/13/2016
Subject: Costume-ConNections just got a massive overhaul!

www.costume-con.org has joined the 21st Century, with a major site redesign and migration to WordPress.

I haven’t touched the Gallery, other than to redirect folks to the main page instead of the Genesis page on the main album, but I’ve messed with darn near everything else.

If you notice anything’s gone missing, tell me about it ASAP. I still have local copies of everything, much of which hasn’t been touched since 2008.

If you were linked to anything with a .shtml extension, revise your site links NOW. There should theoretically be an error page/search function automatically available, but that’s theory only.

Out of curiosity: Is anyone using the old Word templates in the Procedures section? If not, I’m thinking they should go. Most everyone knows how to copy and paste these days, and maintaining two versions of the same document means more chance of error long-term.

Thanks!
Onward.

Betsy

Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

Group: runacc Message: 3146 From: Byron Connell Date: 9/13/2016
Subject: Re: Costume-ConNections just got a massive overhaul!

 

It looks excellent!  Thank you.

 

Byron
Ps. I’ve never used the Word templates.
B.

 

 

On Sep 13, 2016, at 12:54 PM, Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

www.costume-con.org has joined the 21st Century, with a major site redesign and migration to WordPress.

I haven’t touched the Gallery, other than to redirect folks to the main page instead of the Genesis page on the main album, but I’ve messed with darn near everything else.

If you notice anything’s gone missing, tell me about it ASAP. I still have local copies of everything, much of which hasn’t been touched since 2008.

If you were linked to anything with a .shtml extension, revise your site links NOW. There should theoretically be an error page/search function automatically available, but that’s theory only.

Out of curiosity: Is anyone using the old Word templates in the Procedures section? If not, I’m thinking they should go. Most everyone knows how to copy and paste these days, and maintaining two versions of the same document means more chance of error long-term.
Thanks!
Onward.

Betsy

 

Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3147 From: casamai Date: 11/27/2016
Subject: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite

 

 

 

So.  Now that I have time to put some thoughts
together again, I want to get back to a previous discussion about Costume-Con
traditions.

 

 

To set the
stage for discussion, it’s been observed that there are fewer people from the
con’s history who are willing to run a con anymore.   They’ve done their time, hence the “Never
Again Club” (a tradition in itself ).   Fortunatley, there are new groups who are
willing to host a CC, bringing new ideas with them. 

 

 

 

 

 

In the past,
CCs were hosted by committee members who had already attended one or more
cons.   But due to economic realities,
there are more committees where many have not attended ANY CCs before their
own.  Working a Costume-Con is not the
same experience as attending one.    This can lead to the mistaken assumption that
if one has worked or organized any other fan-run convention, the principles are
the same.   This is true only up to a
point.  Costume-Con was modeled on
general SF cons, but it has its own unique community and thus its own
culture.   That community has certain
expectations  that are not defined by the
CC Constitution.

 

 

It’s assumed
that the future committees want to help continue those traditions, but it’s
difficult to do so when they’ve not attended and there’s no documentation
existing to help them.  

 

 

So let’s
revisit the discussion identifying traditions, the pros and cons and answer any
questions that might crop up along the way.

 

 

 

 

 

The Con
Suite

 

 

Believe it
or not, the Con Suite is NOT mandated by the Constitution.  But it is a longstanding tradition to have a
place to relax and where upcoming committees can host parties after the
masquerades.  Also, it is NOT required
that the Con Suite to provide so much food that attendees don’t need to go
somewhere to find a meal.   That can get
very expensive, and it makes it difficult to predict how much to procure,
possibly leading to waste.   At a
minimum, all that needs to be provided are light snacks, a variety of beverages
and sufficient seating.   There is no
requirement that the Con Suite make special accommodations for dietary
needs.  It’s a courtesy, but not
mandatory.

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3148 From: casamai Date: 11/28/2016
Subject: Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite

I should also add that the Con Suite has traditionally NOT been open during the major vents.   This is both to encourage people to attend the shows but more importantly, to ensure that there is not a shortage of refreshments by the time the audience AND participants have left a masquerade.

 

I also neglected to mention that traditionally, the next year’s committee has hosted the Suite on Saturday night, while the committee 2 years hence have hosted on Sunday night.

 

One more recent development has been the committees seeking out other conventions or Guild chapters to host the Suite at other times.  This has been nice, but not necessary.   The SLCG has often been sponsoring  Sunday mornings in the Suite.

 

Bruce

 

Group: runacc Message: 3149 From: Sharon Sbarsky Date: 11/28/2016
Subject: Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite
So I have some questions:

Does NOT being open during the major events tradition mean the first run, or including the break for the judges and the awards?

And in either case, is the opening expected to be IMMEDIATELY or give the Con Suite staff and/or Sponsor staff a chance to setup? If immediate, that means the staff may need to miss the end of the show or awards…

In CC33, DC17 was sponsoring the Con Suite on Saturday night, but since Warren and I were both in the show, but NIC, we started setting up after we were on stage and were ready by the time the awards ended (and a bit before.)

I had heard the tradition was for the CC THREE years hence to sponsor Sunday night after the selection was announced during the Historical. In fact at CC34, Aurora and i started taking memberships during the Judges’ break and Photo Op outside the Ballroom (she had a young baby that might limit how long she could stay up.) I had assumed that there were some spots that made sense (like selling memberships for the just selected CC) but that each future CC, guild chapters, other cons or bids may choose which slot works best for them (giving priority to future CCs.)

We n(CC37) were also thinking of allocating some of the required F&B to have hotel snack tables (cookies, cheese & crackers, clean fruit, etc.) in the Ballroom foyer during the Judges’ break/Photo Op. That may help to keep people around and delay the need to rush to the Con Suite. Thoughts?

Sharon

 

 

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 1:19 PM, casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

I should also add that the Con Suite has traditionally NOT been open during the major vents.   This is both to encourage people to attend the shows but more importantly, to ensure that there is not a shortage of refreshments by the time the audience AND participants have left a masquerade.

 

I also neglected to mention that traditionally, the next year’s committee has hosted the Suite on Saturday night, while the committee 2 years hence have hosted on Sunday night.

 

One more recent development has been the committees seeking out other conventions or Guild chapters to host the Suite at other times.  This has been nice, but not necessary.   The SLCG has often been sponsoring  Sunday mornings in the Suite.

 

Bruce

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3150 From: Byron Connell Date: 11/28/2016
Subject: Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite

 

My comments are below.

 

Byron

 

 

On Nov 28, 2016, at 1:39 PM, Sharon Sbarsky sbarsky@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
So I have some questions:

Does NOT being open during the major events tradition mean the first run, or including the break for the judges and the awards?

I think it generally has meant that the con suite does not open until after the awards have been made. However, there probably have been exceptions.

And in either case, is the opening expected to be IMMEDIATELY or give the Con Suite staff and/or Sponsor staff a chance to setup? If immediate, that means the staff may need to miss the end of the show or awards..

Personally, I think that’s the decision of the individual CC concom. I expect that many fen would like to have access to the con suite as early as possible once the awards have been made. Therefore, the group sponsoring the suite probably needs some members to get set up for a prompt opening.

.

In CC33, DC17 was sponsoring the Con Suite on Saturday night, but since Warren and I were both in the show, but NIC, we started setting up after we were on stage and were ready by the time the awards ended (and a bit before.)

I had heard the tradition was for the CC THREE years hence to sponsor Sunday night after the selection was announced during the Historical. In fact at CC34, Aurora and i started taking memberships during the Judges’ break and Photo Op outside the Ballroom (she had a young baby that might limit how long she could stay up.) I had assumed that there were some spots that made sense (like selling memberships for the just selected CC) but that each future CC, guild chapters, other cons or bids may choose which slot works best for them (giving priority to future CCs.)

I agree that it’s three years. In my experience, it’s the newly seated CC that sponsors the suite after it’s announced at the Historical, where it has the opportunity to solicit memberships.

We n(CC37) were also thinking of allocating some of the required F&B to have hotel snack tables (cookies, cheese & crackers, clean fruit, etc.) in the Ballroom foyer during the Judges’ break/Photo Op. That may help to keep people around and delay the need to rush to the Con Suite. Thoughts?

I love it! The only improvement would be a cash bar.

 

Sharon

 

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 1:19 PM, casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

I should also add that the Con Suite has traditionally NOT been open during the major vents.   This is both to encourage people to attend the shows but more importantly, to ensure that there is not a shortage of refreshments by the time the audience AND participants have left a masquerade.

I also neglected to mention that traditionally, the next year’s committee has hosted the Suite on Saturday night, while the committee 2 years hence have hosted on Sunday night.

One more recent development has been the committees seeking out other conventions or Guild chapters to host the Suite at other times.  This has been nice, but not necessary.   The SLCG has often been sponsoring  Sunday mornings in the Suite.

I believe ICG chapters picked up the idea of sponsoring the con suite even when they were not promoting a CC fairly early in our history, Subsequently, some SF cons and clubs picked up the idea. I’m not sure whether CC concoms “suggested” it to them. I was surprised the first time Lunacon (an east-coast SF con) signed on; however, there was a lot of overlap at the time in terms of Pups also being members of the Lunarians (Lunacon’s sponsoring club).

Bruce

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3151 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 11/29/2016
Subject: Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite

 

 

I stand corrected.   You’re right about Sunday night.   I’d forgotten about that.

 

The decision of what time to be open is sort of up to the committee, I suppose.  I seem to recall in the past that a number of staffers have run up sometime during the awards to get ready.

 

Putting snacks in the ballroom foyer is an interesting idea.   Might draw away from the goings-on during deliberation, but it could be a good calculated risk.   I almost want to say this was done once before (CC21?), but I could be wrong.   Could be worth the calculated risk, though.  Of course, that would be an additional cost to the con you just have to factor in to expenses.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 12:40 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite

So I have some questions:

Does NOT being open during the major events tradition mean the first run, or including the break for the judges and the awards?

And in either case, is the opening expected to be IMMEDIATELY or give the Con Suite staff and/or Sponsor staff a chance to setup? If immediate, that means the staff may need to miss the end of the show or awards…

In CC33, DC17 was sponsoring the Con Suite on Saturday night, but since Warren and I were both in the show, but NIC, we started setting up after we were on stage and were ready by the time the awards ended (and a bit before.)

I had heard the tradition was for the CC THREE years hence to sponsor Sunday night after the selection was announced during the Historical. In fact at CC34, Aurora and i started taking memberships during the Judges’ break and Photo Op outside the Ballroom (she had a young baby that might limit how long she could stay up.) I had assumed that there were some spots that made sense (like selling memberships for the just selected CC) but that each future CC, guild chapters, other cons or bids may choose which slot works best for them (giving priority to future CCs.)

We n(CC37) were also thinking of allocating some of the required F&B to have hotel snack tables (cookies, cheese & crackers, clean fruit, etc.) in the Ballroom foyer during the Judges’ break/Photo Op. That may help to keep people around and delay the need to rush to the Con Suite. Thoughts?

Sharon

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 1:19 PM, casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I should also add that the Con Suite has traditionally NOT been open during the major vents.   This is both to encourage people to attend the shows but more importantly, to ensure that there is not a shortage of refreshments by the time the audience AND participants have left a masquerade.

I also neglected to mention that traditionally, the next year’s committee has hosted the Suite on Saturday night, while the committee 2 years hence have hosted on Sunday night.

One more recent development has been the committees seeking out other conventions or Guild chapters to host the Suite at other times.  This has been nice, but not necessary.   The SLCG has often been sponsoring  Sunday mornings in the Suite.

Bruce

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3152 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 11/29/2016
Subject: Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite

I seem to recall CC14 offered snacks during deliberations. I was one of the snack carriers, IIRC.

 

 

On Nov 29, 2016 8:02 AM, “‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I stand corrected.   You’re right about Sunday night.   I’d forgotten about that.

 

The decision of what time to be open is sort of up to the committee, I suppose.  I seem to recall in the past that a number of staffers have run up sometime during the awards to get ready.

 

Putting snacks in the ballroom foyer is an interesting idea.   Might draw away from the goings-on during deliberation, but it could be a good calculated risk.   I almost want to say this was done once before (CC21?), but I could be wrong.   Could be worth the calculated risk, though.  Of course, that would be an additional cost to the con you just have to factor in to expenses.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com ]
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 12:40 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite

 

So I have some questions:

Does NOT being open during the major events tradition mean the first run, or including the break for the judges and the awards?

And in either case, is the opening expected to be IMMEDIATELY or give the Con Suite staff and/or Sponsor staff a chance to setup? If immediate, that means the staff may need to miss the end of the show or awards…

In CC33, DC17 was sponsoring the Con Suite on Saturday night, but since Warren and I were both in the show, but NIC, we started setting up after we were on stage and were ready by the time the awards ended (and a bit before.)

I had heard the tradition was for the CC THREE years hence to sponsor Sunday night after the selection was announced during the Historical. In fact at CC34, Aurora and i started taking memberships during the Judges’ break and Photo Op outside the Ballroom (she had a young baby that might limit how long she could stay up.) I had assumed that there were some spots that made sense (like selling memberships for the just selected CC) but that each future CC, guild chapters, other cons or bids may choose which slot works best for them (giving priority to future CCs.)

We n(CC37) were also thinking of allocating some of the required F&B to have hotel snack tables (cookies, cheese & crackers, clean fruit, etc.) in the Ballroom foyer during the Judges’ break/Photo Op. That may help to keep people around and delay the need to rush to the Con Suite. Thoughts?

 

Sharon

 

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 1:19 PM, casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I should also add that the Con Suite has traditionally NOT been open during the major vents.   This is both to encourage people to attend the shows but more importantly, to ensure that there is not a shortage of refreshments by the time the audience AND participants have left a masquerade.

 

I also neglected to mention that traditionally, the next year’s committee has hosted the Suite on Saturday night, while the committee 2 years hence have hosted on Sunday night.

 

One more recent development has been the committees seeking out other conventions or Guild chapters to host the Suite at other times.  This has been nice, but not necessary.   The SLCG has often been sponsoring  Sunday mornings in the Suite.

 

Bruce

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3153 From: ma0902432 Date: 11/29/2016
Subject: Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite
Hi Nora, so glad you are running this “series” ofnotes.

Just wanted to pipe in that I like the *new* CC tradition of having
ribbons and “CC 101” panels for first time attendees. Wanted to suggest
something that’s been done at my PA conferences for a while now: at one
of the talks where pretty much the entire conference attends, they have
people stand up who are new to the profession, and we all applaud. Later
they wil have people stand up in increments, i.e. 5 years, 10 years, etc.
That’s also kind of cool, where you get to know who are the “elders” of
hte profession. In our case, perhaps we could have something at the
Friday night Social where attendees could stand or raise hands if it’s
their first CC. I love talking to new attendees and finding out how they
found us!

Lisa a

On 27 Nov 2016 17:56:17 -0800 “casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]”
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

So. Now that I have time to put some thoughts together again, I want to
get back to a previous discussion about Costume-Con traditions.

To set the stage for discussion, it�s been observed that there are fewer
people from the con�s history who are willing to run a con anymore.
They�ve done their time, hence the �Never Again Club� (a tradition in
itself ). Fortunatley, there are new groups who are willing to host a
CC, bringing new ideas with them.

In the past, CCs were hosted by committee members who had already
attended one or more cons. But due to economic realities, there are
more committees where many have not attended ANY CCs before their own.
Working a Costume-Con is not the same experience as attending one.
This can lead to the mistaken assumption that if one has worked or
organized any other fan-run convention, the principles are the same.
This is true only up to a point. Costume-Con was modeled on general SF
cons, but it has its own unique community and thus its own culture.
That community has certain expectations that are not defined by the CC
Constitution.
It�s assumed that the future committees want to help continue those
traditions, but it�s difficult to do so when they�ve not attended and
there�s no documentation existing to help them.
So let�s revisit the discussion identifying traditions, the pros and cons
and answer any questions that might crop up along the way.

The Con Suite
Believe it or not, the Con Suite is NOT mandated by the Constitution.
But it is a longstanding tradition to have a place to relax and where
upcoming committees can host parties after the masquerades. Also, it is
NOT required that the Con Suite to provide so much food that attendees
don�t need to go somewhere to find a meal. That can get very expensive,
and it makes it difficult to predict how much to procure, possibly
leading to waste. At a minimum, all that needs to be provided are light
snacks, a variety of beverages and sufficient seating. There is no
requirement that the Con Suite make special accommodations for dietary
needs. It�s a courtesy, but not mandatory.

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Group: runacc Message: 3054 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/3/2016
Subject: Re: Budgets
Group: runacc Message: 3055 From: casamai Date: 6/3/2016
Subject: SLCG Costume-Con Reviw: Panel Programming
Group: runacc Message: 3056 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/3/2016
Subject: Re: Budgets
Group: runacc Message: 3057 From: spiritof_76 Date: 6/4/2016
Subject: Re: Budgets
Group: runacc Message: 3058 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/4/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con Review: The Hotel
Group: runacc Message: 3059 From: casamai Date: 6/4/2016
Subject: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Friday Night Social and Single Pattern
Group: runacc Message: 3060 From: casamai Date: 6/4/2016
Subject: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show
Group: runacc Message: 3061 From: casamai Date: 6/4/2016
Subject: SLCG CostumeCon 34 Review: Fantasy and Science Fiction Masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 3062 From: casamai Date: 6/4/2016
Subject: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Historical Masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 3063 From: casamai Date: 6/4/2016
Subject: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Judgeing for the F & SF
Group: runacc Message: 3064 From: casamai Date: 6/4/2016
Subject: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Doll Show
Group: runacc Message: 3065 From: casamai Date: 6/4/2016
Subject: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Random notes and wrap up
Group: runacc Message: 3066 From: Jamie Butler Date: 6/4/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Historical Masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 3067 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/5/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Historical Masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 3068 From: ma0902432 Date: 6/5/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show
Group: runacc Message: 3069 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/5/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show
Group: runacc Message: 3070 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/5/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show
Group: runacc Message: 3071 From: spiritof_76 Date: 6/5/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show
Group: runacc Message: 3072 From: ECM Date: 6/5/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show
Group: runacc Message: 3073 From: ECM Date: 6/5/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show
Group: runacc Message: 3074 From: Trudy Leonard Date: 6/6/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show
Group: runacc Message: 3075 From: ma0902432 Date: 6/6/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show
Group: runacc Message: 3076 From: ma0902432 Date: 6/6/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show
Group: runacc Message: 3077 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/6/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show
Group: runacc Message: 3078 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 6/7/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show
Group: runacc Message: 3079 From: Sharon Sbarsky Date: 6/7/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show
Group: runacc Message: 3080 From: ma0902432 Date: 6/7/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show
Group: runacc Message: 3081 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/7/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show
Group: runacc Message: 3082 From: von_drago Date: 6/7/2016
Subject: CC34 Future Fashion Folio
Group: runacc Message: 3083 From: von_drago Date: 6/10/2016
Subject: Re: CC34 Future Fashion Folio
Group: runacc Message: 3084 From: von_drago Date: 6/10/2016
Subject: Costume-Con “Traditions”
Group: runacc Message: 3085 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 6/10/2016
Subject: Re: [runacc] Costume-Con “Traditions”
Group: runacc Message: 3086 From: Vicky Young Date: 6/10/2016
Subject: Re: CC34 Future Fashion Folio
Group: runacc Message: 3087 From: Byron P Connell Date: 6/11/2016
Subject: Re: CC34 Future Fashion Folio
Group: runacc Message: 3088 From: Sharon Sbarsky Date: 6/11/2016
Subject: Re: [runacc] Costume-Con “Traditions”
Group: runacc Message: 3089 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 6/11/2016
Subject: Re: [runacc] Costume-Con “Traditions”
Group: runacc Message: 3090 From: von_drago Date: 6/11/2016
Subject: Re: [runacc] Costume-Con “Traditions”
Group: runacc Message: 3091 From: von_drago Date: 6/11/2016
Subject: Re: [runacc] Costume-Con “Traditions”
Group: runacc Message: 3092 From: Byron P Connell Date: 6/11/2016
Subject: Re: [runacc] Costume-Con “Traditions”
Group: runacc Message: 3093 From: ma0902432 Date: 6/12/2016
Subject: Re: Costume-Con “Traditions”
Group: runacc Message: 3094 From: ma0902432 Date: 6/12/2016
Subject: Re: Re: [runacc] Costume-Con “Traditions”
Group: runacc Message: 3095 From: ma0902432 Date: 6/12/2016
Subject: Re: Re: [runacc] Costume-Con “Traditions”
Group: runacc Message: 3096 From: spiritof_76 Date: 6/12/2016
Subject: Re: CC34 Future Fashion Folio
Group: runacc Message: 3097 From: ECM Date: 6/14/2016
Subject: Re: CC34 Future Fashion Folio
Group: runacc Message: 3098 From: ECM Date: 6/14/2016
Subject: RE: [runacc] Costume-Con “Traditions”
Group: runacc Message: 3099 From: ECM Date: 6/14/2016
Subject: RE: [runacc] Costume-Con “Traditions”
Group: runacc Message: 3100 From: Trudy Leonard Date: 6/16/2016
Subject: Re: [runacc] Costume-Con “Traditions”
Group: runacc Message: 3101 From: costumrs Date: 6/16/2016
Subject: Re: Costume-Con “Traditions”
Group: runacc Message: 3102 From: Kevin Roche Date: 6/16/2016
Subject: Re: [runacc] Costume-Con “Traditions”
Group: runacc Message: 3103 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/18/2016
Subject: Fwd: [SLCG-X] SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Green Room

 


 

Group: runacc Message: 3054 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/3/2016
Subject: Re: Budgets

 

Costume-cons aren’t an ICG function. However, we are two closely allied organizations, so could the ICG provide a repository on its web site for data from various costume-cons? You may want to raise that with Philip.

 

I’m not certain that data from CC30 are necessarily too old to be useable. They can be adjusted for inflation. Recognizing that general inflation rates are not necessarily exact for our events, they’re still better than nothing. The data can further be divided between fixed and variable expenditures (such as expenditures per member for badges or expenditures per masquerade entrant for food). That would allow present and future concoms to use the updated data to benchmark their own estimates.
Byron

 

 

On Jun 3, 2016, at 10:36 AM, beckieboo817@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I have my people who are helping me to run CC36 requesting Actual Budgets for previous cons. The only one I have is for CC30 thanks to Elaine Mami and Marg Grady. But they say that’s too old (even though it’s only 4 years old). CC31 lost theirs on a hard drive crash. Same for CC32 and CC33 lost theirs with a Windows 10 install. My question is, can we have a central area where we put this stuff so that future cons have references? I mean, it would be nice to see the trends of various cons of membership buying, how much they charged for their dealer’s tables/booths, and just basic expenditures. I have 31’s numbers for when he sold what. I have his room night numbers (but again they say that’s too old). Oh and forget Toronto because that’s Canada. (their words, not mine)

 

I remember there was some talk of moving this off Yahoo and in to another format. What info I have gathered is on my Google Drive in folders and am willing to share but it would be nice to have more info.  Because the more info you have, the better you can make your con and give your attendees a better experience.

So, if anyone has actual budgets for previous costume cons, please let me know.

The people that are requesting this kind of info have run Westercons, Worldcons, World Fantasy Cons so they’re different from a Costume Con but it is still the same kind of info which should make the con a better experience.

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3055 From: casamai Date: 6/3/2016
Subject: SLCG Costume-Con Reviw: Panel Programming

 

 

 

Panel
programming took advantage of local and new panelists, and there were very few
dropouts.  Our new member, for whom this
was their first CC,  enjoyed many of the
panels, and how they were staggered a bit time-wise, rather than all of them
being directly opposite each other each hour.
They also like how it gave people an opportunity to take a break between
panels – eat, use the restroom, etc.  

 

 

 

 

 

It’s always
a good sign that there seemed enough to do.
There were 4 tracks of panel programming at the con, and this seemed to
be the right number for this-sized CC.
All panels we either participated in, or were an audience member of,  had good attendance.  It was suggested that perhaps some panels,
the most likely popular ones, should be repeated sometime during the
weekend.  That would give an opportunity
to catch one that might have conflicted with something else people had wanted
to see.   Another idea thrown out there
was to create a track just for repeats.
Maybe Friday panels on Saturday,
Saturday panels on Sunday?  This would
require polling panelists to see if they’d be willing to do the panel more than
once.   Speaking of popular panels, we
heard many people enjoyed the Tambour embroidery panel.

 

 

 

 

 

Note to
future Programming Directors:   Panels
that only tangentially relate to costuming can still be a good attendance draw,
like the “Thinking of Drinking” panel which was mainly about the history of
cocktails.     Another example: at CC16
we had a panel about cats and how they “help” their costuming owners.   So, in other words, try something with a lot
of crossover interest common to many people.
Other possible topics – favorite books for inspiration, processes/exercises
for unlocking creativity, and collectable vintage accessories.  

 

 

Encourage panelists
to have handouts or cards with websites of interest.  Another might be lists of Pinterest
boards.  At minimum, have the panelists
provide business cards with their contact info for questions.   You could even have them produced ahead of
time and Registration can put them into the swag bag.   When the attendee gets home and cleans it
out, there’s that panelist’s card, in case they lose it.   The only problem might be privacy concerns.  The other alternative might be to have a list
or resources from panels published and put in the swag bag. 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3056 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/3/2016
Subject: Re: Budgets
beckieboo817@yahoo.com wrote: “Oh and forget Toronto because that’s Canada. (their words, not mine)”

That’s ok, we’re accustom to it. XD

Being awesome in The Great White North anyway. Love, Canada. 💜

 

Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of CanadaVisit Anime North! – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Conventionwww.animenorth.com

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com

Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2016 07:36:23 -0700

Subject: [runacc] Budgets

 

I have my people who are helping me to run CC36 requesting Actual Budgets for previous cons. The only one I have is for CC30 thanks to Elaine Mami and Marg Grady. But they say that’s too old (even though it’s only 4 years old). CC31 lost theirs on a hard drive crash. Same for CC32 and CC33 lost theirs with a Windows 10 install. My question is, can we have a central area where we put this stuff so that future cons have references? I mean, it would be nice to see the trends of various cons of membership buying, how much they charged for their dealer’s tables/booths, and just basic expenditures. I have 31’s numbers for when he sold what. I have his room night numbers (but again they say that’s too old). Oh and forget Toronto because that’s Canada. (their words, not mine)

 

I remember there was some talk of moving this off Yahoo and in to another format. What info I have gathered is on my Google Drive in folders and am willing to share but it would be nice to have more info. Because the more info you have, the better you can make your con and give your attendees a better experience.

 

So, if anyone has actual budgets for previous costume cons, please let me know.

 

The people that are requesting this kind of info have run Westercons, Worldcons, World Fantasy Cons so they’re different from a Costume Con but it is still the same kind of info which should make the con a better experience.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 3057 From: spiritof_76 Date: 6/4/2016
Subject: Re: Budgets

When I was working on CC31, the only budget information I had to work
from was CC25 and CC15. The best budgeting information I received came
from my co-chair who runs another local convention.

Michael

On 2016-06-03 07:36, beckieboo817@yahoo.com [runacc] wrote:
> I have my people who are helping me to run CC36 requesting Actual
> Budgets for previous cons. The only one I have is for CC30 thanks to
> Elaine Mami and Marg Grady. But they say that’s too old (even though
> it’s only 4 years old). CC31 lost theirs on a hard drive crash. Same
> for CC32 and CC33 lost theirs with a Windows 10 install. My question
> is, can we have a central area where we put this stuff so that future
> cons have references? I mean, it would be nice to see the trends of
> various cons of membership buying, how much they charged for their
> dealer’s tables/booths, and just basic expenditures. I have 31’s
> numbers for when he sold what. I have his room night numbers (but
> again they say that’s too old). Oh and forget Toronto because that’s
> Canada. (their words, not mine)
>
> I remember there was some talk of moving this off Yahoo and in to
> another format. What info I have gathered is on my Google Drive in
> folders and am willing to share but it would be nice to have more
> info. Because the more info you have, the better you can make your con
> and give your attendees a better experience.
>
> So, if anyone has actual budgets for previous costume cons, please let
> me know.
>
> The people that are requesting this kind of info have run Westercons,
> Worldcons, World Fantasy Cons so they’re different from a Costume Con
> but it is still the same kind of info which should make the con a
> better experience.

 

Group: runacc Message: 3058 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/4/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con Review: The Hotel

 

 

Wups.   Forgot to edit that out.

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2016 8:14 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [runacc] SLCG Costume-Con Review: The Hotel

I believe we mentioned, the note about no free WiFi on the rooms is inaccurate. It was available both our roommates and we had multiple devices signed into the free room wifi. There was a high speed option which was also available.

P&S

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone

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From: “casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 06/01/2016 9:42 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] SLCG Costume-Con Review: The Hotel

The Madison Marriott West was familiar to a few of us – it’s the same one used for Teslacon.   It was sorta weird being there for CC – it wasn’t real cold outside.   The rooms were nice, and hotel food seemed to be a little better than we remembered.  One nice thing we noticed was there lots of electrical outlets, thanks to some of them being in the table lamps.   There was free wifi in the convention center that’s attached to the hotel, but you had to pay if you wanted it in your room (boo!).    Free parking – always appreciated.   The convention didn’t use all the function space, so having enough was not a problem.  There were a couple of complaints about Housekeeping, but overall, they were okay.  At least they were thorough about cleaning rooms.   It was odd that they didn’t have much in the way of towel racks in the bathroom.  The clothing racks were kind of low – possibly to make them handicapped accessible?  It would be great if hotels would have extra hooks on the walls of the room for more hanging space.  And there was a hot tub and pool, but the hot tub was a bit hot, and the pool was rather warm – but hey they had a hot tub.

 

Opinions about the rest of the hotel staff (mainly the front desk) were mixed.    Some of us had good experiences, but others did not.

“I would not return there as a guest. I tended to feel rushed in the dining room, although that was perhaps a result of overly eager staff trying to meet my needs. I wanted to tell them that, when I wanted something I’d ask for it,.and that I wouldn’t know whether I wanted anything more until I finished what I was eating. I found the front desk staff bureaucratic and procedurally rigid. One day, we had to call housekeeping after 4:30 to ask if our room would be serviced. When the housekeeper showed up, she claimed we had a do-not-disturb sign on our door, which we had removed by 9:45 that morning.”

“Similarly, the staff did not seem to treat the con as a big function for the hotel, and perhaps it wasn’t, compared with the University of Wisconsin and the Wisconsin Broadcasters Association. (We certainly did not fill the bar the same way the broadcasters did.)

 

By  contrast, one staffer offered to pick people up from the restaurant across the street with the shuttle, if it was raining.

Speaking of the restaurant across the street, It was very handy to have a really good restaurant that close – Sprecher’s has lots of good choices.  Every year, those of us who go up for Teslacon find  more and more choices popping up around the area..

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Group: runacc Message: 3059 From: casamai Date: 6/4/2016
Subject: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Friday Night Social and Single Pattern

 

 

 

A
continuing  complaint from year to year
is the way the catered food service is handled.   The food goes out, people use it as their
dinner, and by the time the Single Pattern Contest entrants are off the stage,
the food is mostly gone (especially by after the Photo Run – more on that
later).   This is hardly fair to them and
should be taken into account in the future.
Contractually, food could not be served in the Green Room, but SOMEthing
should have been done for them.    One suggestion was to put only half of the food
out before the show, then put the remaining lot out after the show.  There were a few leftovers after the show,
but then the hotel staff took them away shortly thereafter.

 

 

 

 

 

Stepping out
as the SP Director for a moment, I (Bruce) was satisfied with how things went (in
comparison to my running the FFS back at CC30), having the 4th
largest number of contestants in the history of the show .   There were a lot of first timers, I was
happy to see.   The Fairy pattern was very popular, making up
the vast majority of entries.   We had a
couple people take the Single Concept Challenge, but for whatever reasons, a
few others wound up being entered in the Folio and the FFS instead. 

 

 

 

 

 

 I underestimated both the number of
participants and the quality of the entries.
I regret not asking for more award ribbons.  My judges did a great job, although there are
things I could have done better.   

 

 

 

From judge
Dave Kanoy:

 

 

“Please provide the judges with
adequate materials to judge.  We didn’t have pens and only had a few index
cards on which to make notes.  I had a mechanical pencil and we scrambled
for pens.  Andrea’s kept running out of ink.  The other two judges
made notes for multiple entries on single index cards, so they were happy with
one or two each.  I really need a separate item (index card, form, piece
of paper) for each entrant.  Pulling double duty as judge and
photographer, I was having to keep track of titles, names, entry numbers and
photo numbers.  I should have handed my phone to Andrea’s sister, who was
acting as our clerk.  She could have taken photos as well as I could
.”

 

 

 

 

 

My fault.   I should have arranged for a
“poloroid” of the entrants, given how many there were.   I was glad Dave took the initiative do to it
with a camera/phone he had.   

 

 

 

 

 

Kevin Roche (another of my judges) suggested that some future CC  SPS during the Social could be handled like a
fashion show where the exhibitors walk among the tables (it was caberet-style
seating at CC34).    This seems
problematic, because it relies on the entrants to make sure everyone at their
tables sees their costume.   But if
someone wants to make a “new mistake”, well, have at it.

 

 

 

 

 

Suggestions
for future SP Directors:   Maybe a “slush
fund” of floater ribbons needs to be on hand in case the judges want to expand
past a set number of awards.  I’m hoping
that the idea of the Single Concept Challenge will be used again – there’s a
lot of potential for all sorts of concepts.

 

 

 

Comments
from others:

 

 

“There
is something to be said (at least from a con’s perspective) to limiting the
info on ribbons to the name of the con and the word, “award.” That minimizes
the con’s problem of running out of ribbons for the specific event, with the
award certificate identifying the nature of the award and the event in which ii
was won. That can work very well for a con that takes place every year at the
same time and place……. It isn’t as effective for a con that moves, as a CC or a
Worldcon does.”

 

 

 

 

 

“I’ve often wondered why the single
pattern contest doesn’t use the skill division system.” 

 

 

 

I was handling the show like the FFS – perhaps this
needs to be reviewed and considered.

 

 

 

 

 

 Again, from Dave:

 

 

 

 

 

“ I don’t feel like we did an
adequate job of judging.  Because we had so few prizes to give out, once
we decided on a Best in Show and the other awards that were prescribed for us,
that left us with a lot of entries that I felt deserved an award.  Because
we had nothing to give, we stepped out of the box a little and gave essentially
a judges choice award to three more entries (each of us chose one entry), which
we called an honorable mention or special mention.  There were still more
that might have won something if we actually had to make some hard
choices.  These people get an award and these don’t.

 

 

 

 

 

Actual judges photos printed out
would serve us a lot better than pictures on my phone.  When
discussing  awards, it’s nice to be able to lay the photos out in front of
all of us.  As it was, I could dig through my pictures to pull up
individual entries as we needed to see them, but I could only do that for
entries we were actually talking about.  I have no way to display them all
in a viewable size where a judge could glance at one, recall something and put
that costume into the conversation.

 

 

 

 

 

Should also point out some things
that went well.  There seemed to be plenty of space, at least for
us.  Can’t speak for the entrants.  I know I’ve always griped about
the tiny size of CC green rooms, but this one seemed plenty big enough for this
contest at least.” 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3060 From: casamai Date: 6/4/2016
Subject: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show

 

 

 

Mostly
cribbing from Karen’s comments here:  She
would have liked to have had more entries.
Six people
did not properly notify her they would not be in the show.   There is a need to stress that contestants
should let the Director know well ahead of time if they will not get their
designs made.   For example, one of the
designers who reserved one of their own exclusively backed out, but didn’t
inform Karen.    Someone else could have
done it.   And a maker who did not want
to repeat a design lost their opportunity because the two people who were going
to do the same one backed out.

 

 

 

 

 

As usual,
there seemed to be fewer people in the audience for the Folio show.  Do people sleep in on Sunday morning?   There’s not much that can be done to
encourage more people to come to the show, despite no programming opposite
it.  Overall, though, Karen was pleased
with what she had and it ran smoothly.

 

 

 

Note to FFS
directors about run orders:  Put
an experienced person at the beginning and end and then sprinkle the other experienced
people among the first-timers.

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3061 From: casamai Date: 6/4/2016
Subject: SLCG CostumeCon 34 Review: Fantasy and Science Fiction Masquerade

 

 

 

We have mixed
feelings about starting the masq an hour earlier than usual – while it makes it
harder to get food and get down to the GR on time, it was sort of nice getting
out of the show earlier so we could go to the con suite and relax.  Since the show started at 7:00 pm, the  Green Room opened at 5:00.   We
suspect that this will probably not set a precedent.

 

 

 

 

 

In
comparison to past CCs, this was a sizeable masquerade.   There
were 43 entries: 2 Young Fans,  13
Novices, 8 Journeymen and 20 Masters.
Quality was good overall – few, if any
clunkers.   There were a few tech
audio glitches, but nothing heinous.
Steve Swope, as MC, got better and confident as the evening wore
on.   From the point of view of the
casual observer, the masq went reasonably smoothly.

 

 

 

 

 

We don’t
know all the details, but there was supposedly some problems  getting a Presentation/Front Stage judge for
the masq.   And there was quite a bit of discussion over
the system used for judging   We’ll
return to this subject later, as the outcome of the award distribution was cause
for controversy.   And what is a CC
without some controversy?

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3062 From: casamai Date: 6/4/2016
Subject: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Historical Masquerade

 

 

 

The Historical
masq went well.   It was a good mix of
periods.   And Master heavy again.  

 

 

Workmanship
Judging ran slow – according to some people, they judges took too long with some
entrants, and some entrants took too long talking to the judges – the usual
complaints.   As a result, scheduled
times slowly started getting pushed back further and further until they were
running an hour behind.   Kudos, though,
to the door manager who allowed some people to go ahead of others (with those
parties’ permission) when they were due for a panel.    It was not evident that the MD was in and
out of the room, checking on the judges, checking on the schedule, etc.  This could have kept people better corralled.   Judging wrapped up so late (probably due to
the 17 member entry that went last) that the masquerade was delayed by 20
minutes.  It seemed like no one knew
where they went (they ran up to their room to change – not sure if they got to eat
or not).

Good job by
the first time MC, Vicky.    Our new first-timer
member appreciated the announcement of what time period the entrant was
portraying, and not just the title.   There
appeared to have beeen plenty of awards, plenty of recognition given, so no
complaints about judging in this show.

 

 

 

Award
announcements were…… odd for both the SF and Historical.   We’re not sure if it was due to the
inexperience of the MD (who made the award announcements, not the MC)  but she announced the entrants names but not
the title of their presentation, nor the Skill Division they were in.  We weren’t the only ones who noticed this
discrepancy – others in the audience asked about this seeming oversight as
well.    In the SF masq, the titles were announced but
not the costumer.    Both ways make it more difficult to associate
a face with a presentation.  It’s
important to have a historical record of who did what.    People are used to the awards being announced
by class.   This is one of the CC traditions
that should be maintained, in our opinion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3063 From: casamai Date: 6/4/2016
Subject: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Judgeing for the F & SF

 

 

 

The
first  observation was about the Workmanship
judges. They took longer with the first several contestants, as much as 10-15
minutes, then flipped open a hand fan to discuss and make decisions behind for
the next 10 minutes.   After that, they’d
type on the tablets they were provided for entering their scores.   As the show got closer they were clearly feeling
pressure, allowing less and less time for following contestants, until they
were asking no questions at all.  Judging
continued during the show, not finishing until sometime shortly after the
masquerade. There were at least 3 entries needing to be interviewed.

 

 

 

 

 

Now about
the overall judging system:  there were 3
Workmanship judges, but only 2 Presentation judges.   Rather than averaging the two sets
independently, all 5 judges’ scores
were averaged together.  So, the awards
were weighted by 3/5th towards Workmanship.  In analysis, we understood what the intent of the MD was – to ensure that skits and “dance-offs” do not get precedence over the quality of the costume.   (Given the two Presentations judges, this was never really a danger – they knew better to be swayed by that.)   We just don’t agree with the methods used for award decisions. 

 

 

 

 

 

There is a
drawback  to this system when used at the
International level of competition.  Scoring
by judges can often be inconsistent – they may score higher at the beginning of
a masquerade, but give lower scores as the masquerade proceeds.  Or even vice versa.   The system is not as flexible to allow for
going back and reexamining their choices and perhaps make changes.  

 

 

 

 

 

The more
commonly used method is judges may make some score, but they also review their
notes and discuss the pros and cons of the individual entries.   They also have the “poloroids” of the
costumes to refresh their memories.
All of these factors are in the mix.
From there, they decide the Best In Show winner first, followed by the
Best In Classes,  and the “floaters”.

 

 

 

 

 

There were
21 “Judges Choice/Honorable Mentions” and 6 “Major Awards” (Best of Class, Workmanship,
Performance and Best in Show).  The
awards were announced with little distinction between Workmanship and
Presentation awards.  This eschewed the
usual tradition of  announcements by
class.   All this said, it seemed
everyone who received an award deserved one.

 

 

“Can’t say I am a fan of combining
Workmanship and Stage Presentation judging.  Often what makes a great
costume from workmanship standpoint can be completely lost when seen from a
stage distance.  Averaging those things together could drag a costume that
shows great from the stage down into the middle where it gets no award.  ……
Workmanship has always been an optional, though highly encouraged, part of the
masquerade.  So, if you didn’t go up for Workmanship judging, did you just
knock yourself out of any possibility of an award because the ( judges) scores
would be divided by 5 or was it a true average?  Didn’t like seeing the Workmanship
judges conspiring behind a fan after seeing each entry.  The judges should
be recording their own honest assessments of each costume and then reconciling
those opinions later.  During conspiration, the first judge to speak can
unfairly influence the other two judges.  Not a fan of numerical scoring
of entries, which is pretty much required if you’re going to average the
scores.  Costume quality can’t be empirically measured so that you can say
this one is one inch better than that one.  The other problem with
numerical scoring, is if you are considering subcategories of costume
quality.  Is fit equivalent to flow?  Is one greater than the other
and how much?  This argument could take place for any number of aspects of
costume construction.  If a costume is a media recreation, how do you rate
that vs an original design?  Another problem with numerical scoring is the
first person usually gets screwed.  They get an average rating regardless,
so the judges can leave themselves room for something better that might come
along.

 

 

 

 

 

All of this is the MD’s call and
while at the time I respect the position and the decision, that doesn’t mean I
have to agree with it.”

 

 

 

 

 

Side note:
this was the first time tablets were employed for judge scores, rather that the
tried and true pencil and paper pads.   There
was speculation over whether the tablet system would work better had there been
an even number of judges for both Workmanship and Presentation.

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3064 From: casamai Date: 6/4/2016
Subject: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Doll Show

 

 

 

“The Exhibits area may have been
small, but the doll show was not; it had far more entries than many previous
years, and kept growing as the con progressed.

 

 

 

 

 

The layout was surprising and a
bit unorthodox, but worked very well, allowing easy visual access to all sides
of the dolls.  I was initially a little
worried about physical vulnerability, especially being immediately adjacent to
the dealer’s area, but everyone I saw was very respectful and careful around
the dolls.  For a Costume-Con, I could
see using this layout again. 

 

 

 

 

 

As often happens, the
registration process was less formal than that used for the masquerades.  In this case, the registration form was also
the doll’s label.  It worked surprisingly
well, though I’ll admit there were a few dolls for which I wished the entry
information had been filled out more completely…..

 

 

 

 

 

The judging was surprising to me……..
I pretty much agreed with their choices, though I might have given a few more
awards had I been judging.”

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3065 From: casamai Date: 6/4/2016
Subject: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Random notes and wrap up

 

 

 

Official Photography

 

 

Two words
about Official Photography – “too expensive”.
At the prices they were charging, there was no way realistically  to purchase a whole set of photos of all the
events.  As a solution to that lost opportunity,
we are “crowdsourcing” photos from  all
our members who took pictures, sorting through them and distributing a CD to
each of them.

 

 

  

 

 

Note to
future Concoms:    Negotiate better deals
(this may’ve been the best they could do – we weren’t in on that part of the
planning )   At least the photographer
got a complete record of all the shows and made sure all the pictures were good
before letting the contestants leave the room.
Also, it was nice not to have the Official Photographer in the Green
Room. 

 

 

 

 

 

Tech

Rehearsals
ran quick and early for both shows.   Yay
for them!  

 

 

The PA
speakers were a bit tinny and anyone standing behind them couldn’t  understand what was being said due to the
acoustics.

 

 

 

 

 

Green
Room

Not very well catered – there were
very few sodas, only popcorn and pretzels for snacks.  

 

“I
saw this as a further indication that the hotel did not conside the con as a
major event. It did not treat us as if it was.  
CCs need to specify in the contract how the hotel will
handle the food. For events of our size, if it’s not in the contract, it
doesn’t happen.”

 

 

Why were people not notified there was a
press person wandering about taking pictures?
There appeared to be a shortage of den moms.    One of the masq participants wound up
herding  others to official photo.   Was there much of a push for volunteers,
beyond the website?    An announcement of
need for den moms could have been made during the FNS.

 

 

 

 

 

Photo runs


Starting with the FNS, it was noticed that the photo runs were taking too long.  Archon puts three people on stage at a time,
starting from stage left to stage right, with each of them rotating one
position to the right after everyone in the audience has had their chance to
take their pictures.    Longtime attendee Steward Hartman has been the
unofficial wrangler for the photo runs, directing people to move and make sure
everyone has their photos.   This
position ought to be officially recognized.

 

 

 

 

 

Dealers
Room

A nice, spacious room, with a pretty
good-sized number of dealers with lots of different wares for sale.    One
of the more popular dealers was the folks selling the vintage Japanese haori,
kimono etc. by the pound.   Only
complaint?   No booksellers.

 

 

 

 

 

Exhibits:  Some interesting stuff, mostly local, at
least half of it MACS members’s works.   We like how some of the costume exhibits were
spread out throughout the edges of theDealers Room.

 

 

Dead Dog
party

It occurred Monday afternoon.   Future
ConComs: Those of us who make your Monday room nights need something to do,
otherwise, we’ll leave earlier.   Plan
for something for the evening – even if it’s a simple as “hey, let’s hang out
at the pool/bar/whatever”.     The Archives could be opened up to show people something, with advanced knowledge.

 

 

All  things considered in this review, we had very few beefs with the way the con was run.   All the cricitisms were fairly
nit-picky.     We gave the con a B+ to
A-.

 

Well done, MACS.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3066 From: Jamie Butler Date: 6/4/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Historical Masquerade

Just to clarify, in regards to:

It was not evident that the MD was in and out of the room, checking on the judges, checking on the schedule, etc.  This could have kept people better corralled.”
 
I was checking in on the judging throughout the entire process as Samantha (my door/judges clerk) was on a radio with me consistently. I was not running down there physically, but I was checking on the judges and schedule. When it was evident that judging was running a bit behind, we had some of the contestants come down to tech early when possible, since that was running ahead of schedule.
 
That being said, it is correct the judges ran behind, but that is my fault as I did not allow enough time adjustment for the larger over all number of contestants that entered this year.
 
Jamie Butler

CC34 Historical Masquerade Director

 

 

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 7:38 PM, casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

 

The Historical
masq went well.   It was a good mix of
periods.   And Master heavy again.  

 

 

Workmanship
Judging ran slow – according to some people, they judges took too long with some
entrants, and some entrants took too long talking to the judges – the usual
complaints.   As a result, scheduled
times slowly started getting pushed back further and further until they were
running an hour behind.   Kudos, though,
to the door manager who allowed some people to go ahead of others (with those
parties’ permission) when they were due for a panel.    It was not evident that the MD was in and
out of the room, checking on the judges, checking on the schedule, etc.  This could have kept people better corralled.   Judging wrapped up so late (probably due to
the 17 member entry that went last) that the masquerade was delayed by 20
minutes.  It seemed like no one knew
where they went (they ran up to their room to change – not sure if they got to eat
or not).   

Good job by
the first time MC, Vicky.    Our new first-timer
member appreciated the announcement of what time period the entrant was
portraying, and not just the title.   There
appeared to have beeen plenty of awards, plenty of recognition given, so no
complaints about judging in this show.

 

 

 

Award
announcements were…… odd for both the SF and Historical.   We’re not sure if it was due to the
inexperience of the MD (who made the award announcements, not the MC)  but she announced the entrants names but not
the title of their presentation, nor the Skill Division they were in.  We weren’t the only ones who noticed this
discrepancy – others in the audience asked about this seeming oversight as
well.    In the SF masq, the titles were announced but
not the costumer.    Both ways make it more difficult to associate
a face with a presentation.  It’s
important to have a historical record of who did what.    People are used to the awards being announced
by class.   This is one of the CC traditions
that should be maintained, in our opinion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3067 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/5/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Historical Masquerade

 

 

Fair cop and these things happen. It was noted that the rehearsals were ahead of schedule – I believe that was included in the general tech notes.

BTW – your Door Dragon was excellent!

 

Nora Mai

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2016 8:57 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com; runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Historical Masquerade

Just to clarify, in regards to:

It was not evident that the MD was in and out of the room, checking on the judges, checking on the schedule, etc.  This could have kept people better corralled.”

I was checking in on the judging throughout the entire process as Samantha (my door/judges clerk) was on a radio with me consistently. I was not running down there physically, but I was checking on the judges and schedule. When it was evident that judging was running a bit behind, we had some of the contestants come down to tech early when possible, since that was running ahead of schedule.

That being said, it is correct the judges ran behind, but that is my fault as I did not allow enough time adjustment for the larger over all number of contestants that entered this year.

Jamie Butler

CC34 Historical Masquerade Director

 

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 7:38 PM, casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]

The Historical masq went well.   It was a good mix of periods.   And Master heavy again.  

Workmanship Judging ran slow – according to some people, they judges took too long with some entrants, and some entrants took too long talking to the judges – the usual complaints.   As a result, scheduled times slowly started getting pushed back further and further until they were running an hour behind.   Kudos, though, to the door manager who allowed some people to go ahead of others (with those parties’ permission) when they were due for a panel.    It was not evident that the MD was in and out of the room, checking on the judges, checking on the schedule, etc.  This could have kept people better corralled.   Judging wrapped up so late (probably due to the 17 member entry that went last) that the masquerade was delayed by 20 minutes.  It seemed like no one knew where they went (they ran up to their room to change – not sure if they got to eat or not).   

Good job by the first time MC, Vicky.    Our new first-timer member appreciated the announcement of what time period the entrant was portraying, and not just the title.   There appeared to have beeen plenty of awards, plenty of recognition given, so no complaints about judging in this show.

Award announcements were…… odd for both the SF and Historical.   We’re not sure if it was due to the inexperience of the MD (who made the award announcements, not the MC)  but she announced the entrants names but not the title of their presentation, nor the Skill Division they were in.  We weren’t the only ones who noticed this discrepancy – others in the audience asked about this seeming oversight as well.    In the SF masq, the titles were announced but not the costumer.    Both ways make it more difficult to associate a face with a presentation.  It’s important to have a historical record of who did what.    People are used to the awards being announced by class.   This is one of the CC traditions that should be maintained, in our opinion.

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3068 From: ma0902432 Date: 6/5/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show
I know that many of you running and supervising the Folio and the Fashion
Show are about my age, maybe a bit younger, so here is my personal take
on it. Ever since the Folio began to be put out completely
electronically I have barely looked at it and have not made up any
designs. I remember back when getting very excited about doing them, and
one year, being crazy disappointed because the design I Wanted had
already been reserved.

I think my brain just does not work that way, to be able to peruse and
compare designs on a screen. I know, I know, I could print out the whole
thing…….but with the number of designs it’s not been practical with
my printer, which only holds about 30 sheets of paper at a time. IT’s
frustrating.

The First CC I attended (CC9 in Columbia) I registered at the door, had
never even HEARD of the FFF. I really think our promotion and outreach
has gotten better.

I’ve also run the Fashion Show (CC27 in Baltimore) and I commiserate with
the you on contestants dropping out at the last minute (i.e. the con has
already started). It’s hard to be in constant communication with
entrants, and keep having to revise the show.

I still think that having it Sunday mid-day is the best alternative. I
preferred when the SP contest was run at the same time as the Fashion
Show; I understand all the reasons why people like it on a separate day,
but I wonder if the numbers really have shown that it pushes more people
to enter the Fashion Show or not.

Lisa a

On 04 Jun 2016 17:35:20 -0700 “casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]”
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

Mostly cribbing from Karen�s comments here: She would have liked to have
had more entries. Six people did not properly notify her they would not
be in the show. There is a need to stress that contestants should let
the Director know well ahead of time if they will not get their designs
made. For example, one of the designers who reserved one of their own
exclusively backed out, but didn�t inform Karen. Someone else could
have done it. And a maker who did not want to repeat a design lost
their opportunity because the two people who were going to do the same
one backed out.

As usual, there seemed to be fewer people in the audience for the Folio
show. Do people sleep in on Sunday morning? There�s not much that can
be done to encourage more people to come to the show, despite no
programming opposite it. Overall, though, Karen was pleased with what
she had and it ran smoothly.

Note to FFS directors about run orders: Put an experienced person at the
beginning and end and then sprinkle the other experienced people among
the first-timers.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 3069 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/5/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show
To answer in reverse order:
The numbers definitely support keeping the FFS away from any other competition. Just look at CC33 when the Portieres contest was run at the same time – there were 21 entries for that and only three for the FFS.
The discrepancy is usually not quite that drastic (and may often depend on the quality of the Folio itself) but the Folio Show loses in any instance where the contestants have to choose between the Folio and any other event.

As for electronic Folios versus hard-copy – it began as a matter of cost rather than trend. Printing & Mailing costs rose precipitously several years ago and the cost of the Folio became the biggest budget item for many CCs. Add in problems with delivering in a timely fashion (post production of a printed Folio is easily doubled by printing & mailing) and growing acceptance of electronic publications in the larger costuming community; you can see how electronic is the only feasible option going forward. As you say, you can always print it (many do). Given your printer limitations maybe it would be easier to load it on a flash drive and take it to your local Kinko’s (or whatever printshop is in your area).
The savings to the concom means they can provide more in other areas.

As an aside – did the horizontal format make it easier to browse the recent Folio as opposed to the past vertical formats? I was hoping it would make it more use-able as an electronic format.

Nora M

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 11:15 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show

I know that many of you running and supervising the Folio and the Fashion Show are about my age, maybe a bit younger, so here is my personal take on it. Ever since the Folio began to be put out completely electronically I have barely looked at it and have not made up any designs. I remember back when getting very excited about doing them, and one year, being crazy disappointed because the design I Wanted had already been reserved.

I think my brain just does not work that way, to be able to peruse and compare designs on a screen. I know, I know, I could print out the whole thing…….but with the number of designs it’s not been practical with my printer, which only holds about 30 sheets of paper at a time. IT’s frustrating.

The First CC I attended (CC9 in Columbia) I registered at the door, had never even HEARD of the FFF. I really think our promotion and outreach has gotten better.

I’ve also run the Fashion Show (CC27 in Baltimore) and I commiserate with the you on contestants dropping out at the last minute (i.e. the con has already started). It’s hard to be in constant communication with entrants, and keep having to revise the show.

I still think that having it Sunday mid-day is the best alternative. I preferred when the SP contest was run at the same time as the Fashion Show; I understand all the reasons why people like it on a separate day, but I wonder if the numbers really have shown that it pushes more people to enter the Fashion Show or not.

Lisa a

On 04 Jun 2016 17:35:20 -0700 “casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]”
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

Mostly cribbing from Karen s comments here: She would have liked to have
had more entries. Six people did not properly notify her they would not
be in the show. There is a need to stress that contestants should let
the Director know well ahead of time if they will not get their designs
made. For example, one of the designers who reserved one of their own
exclusively backed out, but didn t inform Karen. Someone else could
have done it. And a maker who did not want to repeat a design lost
their opportunity because the two people who were going to do the same one backed out.

As usual, there seemed to be fewer people in the audience for the Folio
show. Do people sleep in on Sunday morning? There s not much that can
be done to encourage more people to come to the show, despite no programming opposite it. Overall, though, Karen was pleased with what she had and it ran smoothly.

Note to FFS directors about run orders: Put an experienced person at the beginning and end and then sprinkle the other experienced people among the first-timers.

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Group: runacc Message: 3070 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/5/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show

 

I understand Lisa’s concern. I also understand Nora’s response abut printing. Many small organizations that used to print and mail journals, newsletters, reports, and so forth now rely on electronic publishing and distribution and print and mail only when specifically requested. It was the cost to the ICG of printing and mailing the Costumer’s Quarterly that doomed that publication. We had year after year after year of budget deficits because we were not able to control those costs. So far as I can tell, the ICG can afford to continue to publish The International Costumer only because it is produced and delivered electronically, with only a trivial number of hard copies mailed to members.

 

I don’t have Lisa’s printer problem. I have a color laser printer. So I normally print the Folio when it comes in, as I do The International Costumer and other electronic journals I receive. I recognize that I’m letting an organization transfer to my shoulders what otherwise would be its cost of publication; however, I’d rather do that than do without.
The ICG does print and mail a small number of copies of The International Costumer to ICG members who need to receive a hard copy. Can CC’s do likewise with regard to the Folio? If the number is controlled and known in advance, it could be covered in the con’s budget.
Byron
On Jun 5, 2016, at 2:57 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

To answer in reverse order:
The numbers definitely support keeping the FFS away from any other competition. Just look at CC33 when the Portieres contest was run at the same time – there were 21 entries for that and only three for the FFS.
The discrepancy is usually not quite that drastic (and may often depend on the quality of the Folio itself) but the Folio Show loses in any instance where the contestants have to choose between the Folio and any other event. 

As for electronic Folios versus hard-copy – it began as a matter of cost rather than trend. Printing & Mailing costs rose precipitously several years ago and the cost of the Folio became the biggest budget item for many CCs. Add in problems with delivering in a timely fashion (post production of a printed Folio is easily doubled by printing & mailing) and growing acceptance of electronic publications in the larger costuming community; you can see how electronic is the only feasible option going forward. As you say, you can always print it (many do). Given your printer limitations maybe it would be easier to load it on a flash drive and take it to your local Kinko’s (or whatever printshop is in your area).
The savings to the concom means they can provide more in other areas.

As an aside – did the horizontal format make it easier to browse the recent Folio as opposed to the past vertical formats? I was hoping it would make it more use-able as an electronic format.

Nora M

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 11:15 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show

I know that many of you running and supervising the Folio and the Fashion Show are about my age, maybe a bit younger, so here is my personal take on it. Ever since the Folio began to be put out completely electronically I have barely looked at it and have not made up any designs. I remember back when getting very excited about doing them, and one year, being crazy disappointed because the design I Wanted had already been reserved.  

I think my brain just does not work that way, to be able to peruse and compare designs on a screen. I know, I know, I could print out the whole thing…….but with the number of designs it’s not been practical with my printer, which only holds about 30 sheets of paper at a time. IT’s frustrating.  

The First CC I attended (CC9 in Columbia) I registered at the door, had never even HEARD of the FFF. I really think our promotion and outreach has gotten better. 

I’ve also run the Fashion Show (CC27 in Baltimore) and I commiserate with the you on contestants dropping out at the last minute (i.e. the con has already started). It’s hard to be in constant communication with entrants, and keep having to revise the show.  

I still think that having it Sunday mid-day is the best alternative. I preferred when the SP contest was run at the same time as the Fashion Show; I understand all the reasons why people like it on a separate day, but I wonder if the numbers really have shown that it pushes more people to enter the Fashion Show or not.

Lisa a 

On 04 Jun 2016 17:35:20 -0700 “casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]”
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

Mostly cribbing from Karen s comments here: She would have liked to have
had more entries. Six people did not properly notify her they would not
be in the show. There is a need to stress that contestants should let
the Director know well ahead of time if they will not get their designs
made. For example, one of the designers who reserved one of their own
exclusively backed out, but didn t inform Karen. Someone else could
have done it. And a maker who did not want to repeat a design lost
their opportunity because the two people who were going to do the same one backed out.

As usual, there seemed to be fewer people in the audience for the Folio
show. Do people sleep in on Sunday morning? There s not much that can
be done to encourage more people to come to the show, despite no programming opposite it. Overall, though, Karen was pleased with what she had and it ran smoothly.

Note to FFS directors about run orders: Put an experienced person at the beginning and end and then sprinkle the other experienced people among the first-timers.

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Group: runacc Message: 3071 From: spiritof_76 Date: 6/5/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show

>
> The ICG does print and mail a small number of copies of The
> International Costumer to ICG members who need to receive a hard copy.
> Can CC’s do likewise with regard to the Folio? If the number is
> controlled and known in advance, it could be covered in the con’s
> budget.
>
> Byron

CC31 did mail hardcopy folios to a few who requested it. Probably under
a dozen. There were also some DVDs made for at the door registrations.

Michael

 

Group: runacc Message: 3072 From: ECM Date: 6/5/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show

 

Nora,
I would be happy to pay to have one sent to me.
Elaine


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 13:57:25 -0500
Subject: RE: [runacc] SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show

 

To answer in reverse order:
The numbers definitely support keeping the FFS away from any other competition. Just look at CC33 when the Portieres contest was run at the same time – there were 21 entries for that and only three for the FFS.
The discrepancy is usually not quite that drastic (and may often depend on the quality of the Folio itself) but the Folio Show loses in any instance where the contestants have to choose between the Folio and any other event.

As for electronic Folios versus hard-copy – it began as a matter of cost rather than trend. Printing & Mailing costs rose precipitously several years ago and the cost of the Folio became the biggest budget item for many CCs. Add in problems with delivering in a timely fashion (post production of a printed Folio is easily doubled by printing & mailing) and growing acceptance of electronic publications in the larger costuming community; you can see how electronic is the only feasible option going forward. As you say, you can always print it (many do). Given your printer limitations maybe it would be easier to load it on a flash drive and take it to your local Kinko’s (or whatever printshop is in your area).
The savings to the concom means they can provide more in other areas.

As an aside – did the horizontal format make it easier to browse the recent Folio as opposed to the past vertical formats? I was hoping it would make it more use-able as an electronic format.

Nora M

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 11:15 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show

I know that many of you running and supervising the Folio and the Fashion Show are about my age, maybe a bit younger, so here is my personal take on it. Ever since the Folio began to be put out completely electronically I have barely looked at it and have not made up any designs. I remember back when getting very excited about doing them, and one year, being crazy disappointed because the design I Wanted had already been reserved.

I think my brain just does not work that way, to be able to peruse and compare designs on a screen. I know, I know, I could print out the whole thing…….but with the number of designs it’s not been practical with my printer, which only holds about 30 sheets of paper at a time. IT’s frustrating.

The First CC I attended (CC9 in Columbia) I registered at the door, had never even HEARD of the FFF. I really think our promotion and outreach has gotten better.

I’ve also run the Fashion Show (CC27 in Baltimore) and I commiserate with the you on contestants dropping out at the last minute (i.e. the con has already started). It’s hard to be in constant communication with entrants, and keep having to revise the show.

I still think that having it Sunday mid-day is the best alternative. I preferred when the SP contest was run at the same time as the Fashion Show; I understand all the reasons why people like it on a separate day, but I wonder if the numbers really have shown that it pushes more people to enter the Fashion Show or not.

Lisa a

On 04 Jun 2016 17:35:20 -0700 “casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]”
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

Mostly cribbing from Karen s comments here: She would have liked to have
had more entries. Six people did not properly notify her they would not
be in the show. There is a need to stress that contestants should let
the Director know well ahead of time if they will not get their designs
made. For example, one of the designers who reserved one of their own
exclusively backed out, but didn t inform Karen. Someone else could
have done it. And a maker who did not want to repeat a design lost
their opportunity because the two people who were going to do the same one backed out.

As usual, there seemed to be fewer people in the audience for the Folio
show. Do people sleep in on Sunday morning? There s not much that can
be done to encourage more people to come to the show, despite no programming opposite it. Overall, though, Karen was pleased with what she had and it ran smoothly.

Note to FFS directors about run orders: Put an experienced person at the beginning and end and then sprinkle the other experienced people among the first-timers.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Group: runacc Message: 3073 From: ECM Date: 6/5/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show

 

I have to agree with Lisa’s points.  I used to love making something from the FFF because I rarely have original design ideas.
Would it be reasonable to offer paper copies upon request?  I may well be one of the oldest in this group, and I love paper:  I can read it in the bathroom!  On breaks at work.  Anywhere!
And I also like the FFS & SP back-to-back.
My $.02
Elaine


 

 

I know that many of you running and supervising the Folio and the Fashion
Show are about my age, maybe a bit younger, so here is my personal take
on it. Ever since the Folio began to be put out completely
electronically I have barely looked at it and have not made up any
designs. I remember back when getting very excited about doing them, and
one year, being crazy disappointed because the design I Wanted had
already been reserved.

I think my brain just does not work that way, to be able to peruse and
compare designs on a screen. I know, I know, I could print out the whole
thing…….but with the number of designs it’s not been practical with
my printer, which only holds about 30 sheets of paper at a time. IT’s
frustrating.

The First CC I attended (CC9 in Columbia) I registered at the door, had
never even HEARD of the FFF. I really think our promotion and outreach
has gotten better.

I’ve also run the Fashion Show (CC27 in Baltimore) and I commiserate with
the you on contestants dropping out at the last minute (i.e. the con has
already started). It’s hard to be in constant communication with
entrants, and keep having to revise the show.

I still think that having it Sunday mid-day is the best alternative. I
preferred when the SP contest was run at the same time as the Fashion
Show; I understand all the reasons why people like it on a separate day,
but I wonder if the numbers really have shown that it pushes more people
to enter the Fashion Show or not.

Lisa a

On 04 Jun 2016 17:35:20 -0700 “casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]”
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

Mostly cribbing from Karen�s comments here: She would have liked to have
had more entries. Six people did not properly notify her they would not
be in the show. There is a need to stress that contestants should let
the Director know well ahead of time if they will not get their designs
made. For example, one of the designers who reserved one of their own
exclusively backed out, but didn�t inform Karen. Someone else could
have done it. And a maker who did not want to repeat a design lost
their opportunity because the two people who were going to do the same
one backed out.

As usual, there seemed to be fewer people in the audience for the Folio
show. Do people sleep in on Sunday morning? There�s not much that can
be done to encourage more people to come to the show, despite no
programming opposite it. Overall, though, Karen was pleased with what
she had and it ran smoothly.

Note to FFS directors about run orders: Put an experienced person at the
beginning and end and then sprinkle the other experienced people among
the first-timers.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3074 From: Trudy Leonard Date: 6/6/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show

 

I do find it slightly ironic that when we proposed making the FFF available as a digital download for CC 22, we were told that we couldn’t do it, and now it’s the norm. Times change.

Trudy

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

—- Byron Connell byronpconnell@gmail.com [runacc] wrote —-

 

I understand Lisa’s concern. I also understand Nora’s response abut printing. Many small organizations that used to print and mail journals, newsletters, reports, and so forth now rely on electronic publishing and distribution and print and mail only when
specifically requested. It was the cost to the ICG of printing and mailing the Costumer’s Quarterly that doomed that publication. We had year after year after year of budget deficits because we were not able to control those costs. So far as I can tell, the
ICG can afford to continue to publish The International Costumer only because it is produced and delivered electronically, with only a trivial number of hard copies mailed to members.

I don’t have Lisa’s printer problem. I have a color laser printer. So I normally print the Folio when it comes in, as I do The International Costumer and other electronic journals I receive. I recognize that I’m letting an organization transfer
to my shoulders what otherwise would be its cost of publication; however, I’d rather do that than do without.
The ICG does print and mail a small number of copies of The International Costumer to ICG members who need to receive a hard copy. Can CC’s do likewise with regard to the Folio? If the number is controlled and known in advance, it could be covered
in the con’s budget.
Byron
On Jun 5, 2016, at 2:57 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’
casamai@sbcglobal.net
[runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

To answer in reverse order:
The numbers definitely support keeping the FFS away from any other competition. Just look at CC33 when the Portieres contest was run at the same time – there were 21 entries for that and only three for the FFS.
The discrepancy is usually not quite that drastic (and may often depend on the quality of the Folio itself) but the Folio Show loses in any instance where the contestants have to choose between the Folio and any other event. 

As for electronic Folios versus hard-copy – it began as a matter of cost rather than trend. Printing & Mailing costs rose precipitously several years ago and the cost of the Folio became the biggest budget item for many CCs. Add in problems with delivering
in a timely fashion (post production of a printed Folio is easily doubled by printing & mailing) and growing acceptance of electronic publications in the larger costuming community; you can see how electronic is the only feasible option going forward. As you
say, you can always print it (many do). Given your printer limitations maybe it would be easier to load it on a flash drive and take it to your local Kinko’s (or whatever printshop is in your area).
The savings to the concom means they can provide more in other areas.

As an aside – did the horizontal format make it easier to browse the recent Folio as opposed to the past vertical formats? I was hoping it would make it more use-able as an electronic format.

Nora M

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 11:15 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show

I know that many of you running and supervising the Folio and the Fashion Show are about my age, maybe a bit younger, so here is my personal take on it. Ever since the Folio began to be put out completely electronically I have barely looked at it and have not
made up any designs. I remember back when getting very excited about doing them, and one year, being crazy disappointed because the design I Wanted had already been reserved.  

I think my brain just does not work that way, to be able to peruse and compare designs on a screen. I know, I know, I could print out the whole thing…….but with the number of designs it’s not been practical with my printer, which only holds about 30 sheets
of paper at a time. IT’s frustrating.  

The First CC I attended (CC9 in Columbia) I registered at the door, had never even HEARD of the FFF. I really think our promotion and outreach has gotten better. 

I’ve also run the Fashion Show (CC27 in Baltimore) and I commiserate with the you on contestants dropping out at the last minute (i.e. the con has already started). It’s hard to be in constant communication with entrants, and keep having to revise the show.  

I still think that having it Sunday mid-day is the best alternative. I preferred when the SP contest was run at the same time as the Fashion Show; I understand all the reasons why people like it on a separate day, but I wonder if the numbers really have shown
that it pushes more people to enter the Fashion Show or not.

Lisa a 

On 04 Jun 2016 17:35:20 -0700 “casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]”
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

Mostly cribbing from Karen s comments here: She would have liked to have
had more entries. Six people did not properly notify her they would not
be in the show. There is a need to stress that contestants should let
the Director know well ahead of time if they will not get their designs
made. For example, one of the designers who reserved one of their own
exclusively backed out, but didn t inform Karen. Someone else could
have done it. And a maker who did not want to repeat a design lost
their opportunity because the two people who were going to do the same one backed out.

As usual, there seemed to be fewer people in the audience for the Folio
show. Do people sleep in on Sunday morning? There s not much that can
be done to encourage more people to come to the show, despite no programming opposite it. Overall, though, Karen was pleased with what she had and it ran smoothly.

Note to FFS directors about run orders: Put an experienced person at the beginning and end and then sprinkle the other experienced people among the first-timers.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Group: runacc Message: 3075 From: ma0902432 Date: 6/6/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show
Honestly, I’d personally be happy to mail a check to pay for a print copy
of the Folio for Myself, because I like to keep them, along with photos
of the designs people made up, and getting the entrants to autograph my
copy!!! That’s what I used to do and I have some great memories that
way. It would also be cool to have one that for the Archives.

Lisa a

On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 18:56:29 -0400 “Byron Connell byronpconnell@gmail.com
[runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

I understand Lisa�s concern. I also understand Nora�s response abut
printing. Many small organizations that used to print and mail journals,
newsletters, reports, and so forth now rely on electronic publishing and
distribution and print and mail only when specifically requested. It was
the cost to the ICG of printing and mailing the Costumer�s Quarterly that
doomed that publication. We had year after year after year of budget
deficits because we were not able to control those costs. So far as I can
tell, the ICG can afford to continue to publish The International
Costumer only because it is produced and delivered electronically, with
only a trivial number of hard copies mailed to members.

I don�t have Lisa�s printer problem. I have a color laser printer. So I
normally print the Folio when it comes in, as I do The International
Costumer and other electronic journals I receive. I recognize that I�m
letting an organization transfer to my shoulders what otherwise would be
its cost of publication; however, I�d rather do that than do without.

The ICG does print and mail a small number of copies of The International
Costumer to ICG members who need to receive a hard copy. Can CC�s do
likewise with regard to the Folio? If the number is controlled and known
in advance, it could be covered in the con�s budget.

Byron

On Jun 5, 2016, at 2:57 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net
[runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

To answer in reverse order:
The numbers definitely support keeping the FFS away from any other
competition. Just look at CC33 when the Portieres contest was run at the
same time – there were 21 entries for that and only three for the FFS.
The discrepancy is usually not quite that drastic (and may often depend
on the quality of the Folio itself) but the Folio Show loses in any
instance where the contestants have to choose between the Folio and any
other event.

As for electronic Folios versus hard-copy – it began as a matter of cost
rather than trend. Printing & Mailing costs rose precipitously several
years ago and the cost of the Folio became the biggest budget item for
many CCs. Add in problems with delivering in a timely fashion (post
production of a printed Folio is easily doubled by printing & mailing)
and growing acceptance of electronic publications in the larger costuming
community; you can see how electronic is the only feasible option going
forward. As you say, you can always print it (many do). Given your
printer limitations maybe it would be easier to load it on a flash drive
and take it to your local Kinko’s (or whatever printshop is in your
area).
The savings to the concom means they can provide more in other areas.

As an aside – did the horizontal format make it easier to browse the
recent Folio as opposed to the past vertical formats? I was hoping it
would make it more use-able as an electronic format.

Nora M

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 11:15 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show

I know that many of you running and supervising the Folio and the Fashion
Show are about my age, maybe a bit younger, so here is my personal take
on it. Ever since the Folio began to be put out completely electronically
I have barely looked at it and have not made up any designs. I remember
back when getting very excited about doing them, and one year, being
crazy disappointed because the design I Wanted had already been reserved.

I think my brain just does not work that way, to be able to peruse and
compare designs on a screen. I know, I know, I could print out the whole
thing…….but with the number of designs it’s not been practical with
my printer, which only holds about 30 sheets of paper at a time. IT’s
frustrating.

The First CC I attended (CC9 in Columbia) I registered at the door, had
never even HEARD of the FFF. I really think our promotion and outreach
has gotten better.

I’ve also run the Fashion Show (CC27 in Baltimore) and I commiserate with
the you on contestants dropping out at the last minute (i.e. the con has
already started). It’s hard to be in constant communication with
entrants, and keep having to revise the show.

I still think that having it Sunday mid-day is the best alternative. I
preferred when the SP contest was run at the same time as the Fashion
Show; I understand all the reasons why people like it on a separate day,
but I wonder if the numbers really have shown that it pushes more people
to enter the Fashion Show or not.

Lisa a

On 04 Jun 2016 17:35:20 -0700 “casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]”
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

Mostly cribbing from Karen s comments here: She would have liked to have
had more entries. Six people did not properly notify her they would not
be in the show. There is a need to stress that contestants should let
the Director know well ahead of time if they will not get their designs
made. For example, one of the designers who reserved one of their own
exclusively backed out, but didn t inform Karen. Someone else could
have done it. And a maker who did not want to repeat a design lost
their opportunity because the two people who were going to do the same
one backed out.

As usual, there seemed to be fewer people in the audience for the Folio
show. Do people sleep in on Sunday morning? There s not much that can
be done to encourage more people to come to the show, despite no
programming opposite it. Overall, though, Karen was pleased with what she
had and it ran smoothly.

Note to FFS directors about run orders: Put an experienced person at the
beginning and end and then sprinkle the other experienced people among
the first-timers.

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Group: runacc Message: 3076 From: ma0902432 Date: 6/6/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show

 

Thanks Nora.
The cost info makes it more understandable.  And the
suggestion of putting it on a drive and printing it at a shop makes sense
too.  I wish I still had a job where I could do that!
It still seems to me, that Costume Con is not enough days for
everything we all want to pack into it!!
Lisa a
On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 13:57:25 -0500 “‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
writes:

> To answer in reverse order:
> The numbers definitely

support keeping the FFS away from any other

> competition. Just look at

CC33 when the Portieres contest was run at

> the same time – there were

21 entries for that and only three for

> the FFS.
> The discrepancy

is usually not quite that drastic (and may often

> depend on the quality

of the Folio itself) but the Folio Show loses

> in any instance where the

contestants have to choose between the

> Folio and any other event.

>
> As for electronic Folios versus hard-copy – it began as a

matter of

> cost rather than trend. Printing & Mailing costs rose

precipitously

> several years ago and the cost of the Folio became the

biggest

> budget item for many CCs. Add in problems with delivering in a

> timely fashion (post production of a printed Folio is easily doubled

> by printing & mailing) and growing acceptance of electronic

> publications in the larger costuming community; you can see how

> electronic is the only feasible option going forward. As you say,

> you can always print it (many do). Given your printer limitations

> maybe it would be easier to load it on a flash drive and take it to

> your local Kinko’s (or whatever printshop is in your area).
> The

savings to the concom means they can provide more in other

>

areas.

>
> As an aside – did the horizontal format make it easier

to browse the

> recent Folio as opposed to the past vertical formats? I

was hoping

> it would make it more use-able as an electronic

format.

>
> Nora M
>
> —–Original

Message—–

> From:

href=”mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com”>runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]

>

Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 11:15 AM

> To:

href=”mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com”>runacc@yahoogroups.com

> Subject:

Re: [runacc] SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion

> Show
>

> I know that many of you running and supervising the Folio and the

> Fashion Show are about my age, maybe a bit younger, so here is my

> personal take on it.  Ever since the Folio began to be put out

> completely electronically I have barely looked at it and have not

> made  up any designs. I remember back when getting very excited

> about doing them, and one year, being crazy disappointed because the

> design I Wanted had already been reserved.
>

>  I think my brain just does not work that way, to be able to

peruse

> and compare designs on a screen.  I know, I know, I could

print out

> the whole thing…….but with the number of designs it’s not

been

> practical with my printer, which only holds about 30 sheets of

paper

> at a time.  IT’s frustrating.
>
> The

First CC I attended (CC9 in Columbia) I registered at the door,

> had

never even HEARD of the FFF.  I really think our promotion and

>

outreach has gotten better.

>
> I’ve also run the Fashion Show

(CC27 in Baltimore) and I commiserate

> with the you on contestants

dropping out at the last minute (i.e.

> the con has already

started).  It’s hard to be in constant

> communication with

entrants, and keep having to revise the show.

>
> I still

think that having it Sunday mid-day is the best alternative.

> I

preferred when the SP contest was run at the same time as the

> Fashion

Show; I understand all the reasons why people like it on a

> separate

day, but I wonder if the numbers really have shown that it

> pushes more

people to enter the Fashion Show or not.

>
> Lisa a
>

> On 04 Jun 2016 17:35:20 -0700 “

href=”mailto:casamai@sbcglobal.net”>casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]”

>

<runacc@yahoogroups.com>
writes:

>
>
>
> Mostly cribbing from Karen s comments

here:  She would have liked to

> have
> had more

entries.   Six people did not properly notify her they

> would

not

> be in the show.   There is a need to stress that

contestants should

> let
> the Director know well ahead of time if

they will not get their

> designs
> made.   For example,

one of the designers who reserved one of their

> own
> exclusively

backed out, but didn t inform Karen.    Someone else

>

could

> have done it.   And a maker who did not want to repeat a

design

> lost
> their opportunity because the two people who were

going to do the

> same one backed out.
>
> As usual, there

seemed to be fewer people in the audience for the

> Folio
>

show.  Do people sleep in on Sunday morning?   There s not much
that

> can
> be done to encourage more people to come to the show,

despite no

> programming opposite it.  Overall, though, Karen was

pleased with

> what she had and it ran smoothly.
>
>

> Note to FFS directors about run orders:  Put an experienced person

> at the beginning and end and then sprinkle the other experienced

> people among the first-timers.
>
>
>
>

>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
>
> ————————————
> Posted

by: <lisa58@juno.com>

>

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Group: runacc Message: 3077 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/6/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show
There are print-on-demand services that would make it easy for people who want to buy a copy of the folio to do so online, and have it sent directly to them.

The problem is I don’t know many of them that would make it easy to restrict purchase of print folios to convention members only.

 

 

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 4:09 AM lisa58@juno.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

Thanks Nora.
The cost info makes it more understandable.  And the
suggestion of putting it on a drive and printing it at a shop makes sense
too.  I wish I still had a job where I could do that!
It still seems to me, that Costume Con is not enough days for
everything we all want to pack into it!!
Lisa a
On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 13:57:25 -0500 “‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
writes:
> To answer in reverse order:
> The numbers definitely
support keeping the FFS away from any other
> competition. Just look at
CC33 when the Portieres contest was run at
> the same time – there were
21 entries for that and only three for
> the FFS.
> The discrepancy
is usually not quite that drastic (and may often
> depend on the quality
of the Folio itself) but the Folio Show loses
> in any instance where the
contestants have to choose between the
> Folio and any other event.

>
> As for electronic Folios versus hard-copy – it began as a
matter of
> cost rather than trend. Printing & Mailing costs rose
precipitously
> several years ago and the cost of the Folio became the
biggest
> budget item for many CCs. Add in problems with delivering in a

> timely fashion (post production of a printed Folio is easily doubled

> by printing & mailing) and growing acceptance of electronic

> publications in the larger costuming community; you can see how

> electronic is the only feasible option going forward. As you say,

> you can always print it (many do). Given your printer limitations

> maybe it would be easier to load it on a flash drive and take it to

> your local Kinko’s (or whatever printshop is in your area).
> The
savings to the concom means they can provide more in other
>
areas.
>
> As an aside – did the horizontal format make it easier
to browse the
> recent Folio as opposed to the past vertical formats? I
was hoping
> it would make it more use-able as an electronic
format.
>
> Nora M
>
> —–Original
Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
>
Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 11:15 AM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:
Re: [runacc] SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion
> Show
>

> I know that many of you running and supervising the Folio and the

> Fashion Show are about my age, maybe a bit younger, so here is my

> personal take on it.  Ever since the Folio began to be put out

> completely electronically I have barely looked at it and have not

> made  up any designs. I remember back when getting very excited

> about doing them, and one year, being crazy disappointed because the

> design I Wanted had already been reserved.
>

>  I think my brain just does not work that way, to be able to
peruse
> and compare designs on a screen.  I know, I know, I could
print out
> the whole thing…….but with the number of designs it’s not
been
> practical with my printer, which only holds about 30 sheets of
paper
> at a time.  IT’s frustrating.
>
> The
First CC I attended (CC9 in Columbia) I registered at the door,
> had
never even HEARD of the FFF.  I really think our promotion and
>
outreach has gotten better.
>
> I’ve also run the Fashion Show
(CC27 in Baltimore) and I commiserate
> with the you on contestants
dropping out at the last minute (i.e.
> the con has already
started).  It’s hard to be in constant
> communication with
entrants, and keep having to revise the show.
>
> I still
think that having it Sunday mid-day is the best alternative.
> I
preferred when the SP contest was run at the same time as the
> Fashion
Show; I understand all the reasons why people like it on a
> separate
day, but I wonder if the numbers really have shown that it
> pushes more
people to enter the Fashion Show or not.
>
> Lisa a
>

> On 04 Jun 2016 17:35:20 -0700 “casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]”
>
<runacc@yahoogroups.com>
writes:
>
>
>
> Mostly cribbing from Karen s comments
here:  She would have liked to
> have
> had more
entries.   Six people did not properly notify her they
> would
not
> be in the show.   There is a need to stress that
contestants should
> let
> the Director know well ahead of time if
they will not get their
> designs
> made.   For example,
one of the designers who reserved one of their
> own
> exclusively
backed out, but didn t inform Karen.    Someone else
>
could
> have done it.   And a maker who did not want to repeat a
design
> lost
> their opportunity because the two people who were
going to do the
> same one backed out.
>
> As usual, there
seemed to be fewer people in the audience for the
> Folio
>
show.  Do people sleep in on Sunday morning?   There s not much
that
> can
> be done to encourage more people to come to the show,
despite no
> programming opposite it.  Overall, though, Karen was
pleased with
> what she had and it ran smoothly.
>
>

> Note to FFS directors about run orders:  Put an experienced person

> at the beginning and end and then sprinkle the other experienced

> people among the first-timers.
>
>
>
>

>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
>
> ————————————
> Posted
by: <lisa58@juno.com>
>
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>
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Group: runacc Message: 3078 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 6/7/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show

We had considered a print-membership price for CC37 and discarded the idea.  Perhaps we will revisit.  Are there other things people would like in print other than the folio?

~Aurora

 

On Monday, June 6, 2016, Andrew Trembley attrembl@bovil.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

There are print-on-demand services that would make it easy for people who want to buy a copy of the folio to do so online, and have it sent directly to them.

The problem is I don’t know many of them that would make it easy to restrict purchase of print folios to convention members only.

 

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 4:09 AM lisa58@juno.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

Thanks Nora.
The cost info makes it more understandable.  And the
suggestion of putting it on a drive and printing it at a shop makes sense
too.  I wish I still had a job where I could do that!
It still seems to me, that Costume Con is not enough days for
everything we all want to pack into it!!
Lisa a
On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 13:57:25 -0500 “‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
writes:
> To answer in reverse order:
> The numbers definitely
support keeping the FFS away from any other
> competition. Just look at
CC33 when the Portieres contest was run at
> the same time – there were
21 entries for that and only three for
> the FFS.
> The discrepancy
is usually not quite that drastic (and may often
> depend on the quality
of the Folio itself) but the Folio Show loses
> in any instance where the
contestants have to choose between the
> Folio and any other event.

>
> As for electronic Folios versus hard-copy – it began as a
matter of
> cost rather than trend. Printing & Mailing costs rose
precipitously
> several years ago and the cost of the Folio became the
biggest
> budget item for many CCs. Add in problems with delivering in a

> timely fashion (post production of a printed Folio is easily doubled

> by printing & mailing) and growing acceptance of electronic

> publications in the larger costuming community; you can see how

> electronic is the only feasible option going forward. As you say,

> you can always print it (many do). Given your printer limitations

> maybe it would be easier to load it on a flash drive and take it to

> your local Kinko’s (or whatever printshop is in your area).
> The
savings to the concom means they can provide more in other
>
areas.
>
> As an aside – did the horizontal format make it easier
to browse the
> recent Folio as opposed to the past vertical formats? I
was hoping
> it would make it more use-able as an electronic
format.
>
> Nora M
>
> —–Original
Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
>
Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 11:15 AM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:
Re: [runacc] SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion
> Show
>

> I know that many of you running and supervising the Folio and the

> Fashion Show are about my age, maybe a bit younger, so here is my

> personal take on it.  Ever since the Folio began to be put out

> completely electronically I have barely looked at it and have not

> made  up any designs. I remember back when getting very excited

> about doing them, and one year, being crazy disappointed because the

> design I Wanted had already been reserved.
>

>  I think my brain just does not work that way, to be able to
peruse
> and compare designs on a screen.  I know, I know, I could
print out
> the whole thing…….but with the number of designs it’s not
been
> practical with my printer, which only holds about 30 sheets of
paper
> at a time.  IT’s frustrating.
>
> The
First CC I attended (CC9 in Columbia) I registered at the door,
> had
never even HEARD of the FFF.  I really think our promotion and
>
outreach has gotten better.
>
> I’ve also run the Fashion Show
(CC27 in Baltimore) and I commiserate
> with the you on contestants
dropping out at the last minute (i.e.
> the con has already
started).  It’s hard to be in constant
> communication with
entrants, and keep having to revise the show.
>
> I still
think that having it Sunday mid-day is the best alternative.
> I
preferred when the SP contest was run at the same time as the
> Fashion
Show; I understand all the reasons why people like it on a
> separate
day, but I wonder if the numbers really have shown that it
> pushes more
people to enter the Fashion Show or not.
>
> Lisa a
>

> On 04 Jun 2016 17:35:20 -0700 “casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]”
>
<runacc@yahoogroups.com>
writes:
>
>
>
> Mostly cribbing from Karen s comments
here:  She would have liked to
> have
> had more
entries.   Six people did not properly notify her they
> would
not
> be in the show.   There is a need to stress that
contestants should
> let
> the Director know well ahead of time if
they will not get their
> designs
> made.   For example,
one of the designers who reserved one of their
> own
> exclusively
backed out, but didn t inform Karen.    Someone else
>
could
> have done it.   And a maker who did not want to repeat a
design
> lost
> their opportunity because the two people who were
going to do the
> same one backed out.
>
> As usual, there
seemed to be fewer people in the audience for the
> Folio
>
show.  Do people sleep in on Sunday morning?   There s not much
that
> can
> be done to encourage more people to come to the show,
despite no
> programming opposite it.  Overall, though, Karen was
pleased with
> what she had and it ran smoothly.
>
>

> Note to FFS directors about run orders:  Put an experienced person

> at the beginning and end and then sprinkle the other experienced

> people among the first-timers.
>
>
>
>

>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
>
> ————————————
> Posted
by: <lisa58@juno.com>
>
————————————
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
>
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>

>
>
>
>

>
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Group: runacc Message: 3079 From: Sharon Sbarsky Date: 6/7/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show
I’ve also been reading these threads with interest, and will probably go back into the archives for earlier CCs. 😉 I assume that all are available to share with our committee?

I’ve been thinking about the print/online FFF. As Aurora said, we were looking at a special print-membership price, but mostly decided against it because of complexity and impact on the budget. (balancing the income and expense of print publications.)

But I’ve been wondering about electronic FFF. is the problem people have with view the the FF online that it really isn’t optimized for a laptop, tablet, or phone? If each design was setup so that it is easily viewable (make larger, etc.) on someone’s phone or tablet would that be better? Perhaps also letting the member print which ever designs they want, and not the cost of the entire FFF.

Phone and tablet apps have been improving, and by 2019 we should be able to get something that is better than what we’ve had until now.

Sharon

 

 

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 12:34 PM, Aurora Celeste auroraceleste@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

We had considered a print-membership price for CC37 and discarded the idea.  Perhaps we will revisit.  Are there other things people would like in print other than the folio?

~Aurora

On Monday, June 6, 2016, Andrew Trembley attrembl@bovil.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

There are print-on-demand services that would make it easy for people who want to buy a copy of the folio to do so online, and have it sent directly to them.

The problem is I don’t know many of them that would make it easy to restrict purchase of print folios to convention members only.

 

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 4:09 AM lisa58@juno.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

Thanks Nora.
The cost info makes it more understandable.  And the
suggestion of putting it on a drive and printing it at a shop makes sense
too.  I wish I still had a job where I could do that!
It still seems to me, that Costume Con is not enough days for
everything we all want to pack into it!!
Lisa a
On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 13:57:25 -0500 “‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
writes:
> To answer in reverse order:
> The numbers definitely
support keeping the FFS away from any other
> competition. Just look at
CC33 when the Portieres contest was run at
> the same time – there were
21 entries for that and only three for
> the FFS.
> The discrepancy
is usually not quite that drastic (and may often
> depend on the quality
of the Folio itself) but the Folio Show loses
> in any instance where the
contestants have to choose between the
> Folio and any other event.

>
> As for electronic Folios versus hard-copy – it began as a
matter of
> cost rather than trend. Printing & Mailing costs rose
precipitously
> several years ago and the cost of the Folio became the
biggest
> budget item for many CCs. Add in problems with delivering in a

> timely fashion (post production of a printed Folio is easily doubled

> by printing & mailing) and growing acceptance of electronic

> publications in the larger costuming community; you can see how

> electronic is the only feasible option going forward. As you say,

> you can always print it (many do). Given your printer limitations

> maybe it would be easier to load it on a flash drive and take it to

> your local Kinko’s (or whatever printshop is in your area).
> The
savings to the concom means they can provide more in other
>
areas.
>
> As an aside – did the horizontal format make it easier
to browse the
> recent Folio as opposed to the past vertical formats? I
was hoping
> it would make it more use-able as an electronic
format.
>
> Nora M
>
> —–Original
Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
>
Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 11:15 AM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:
Re: [runacc] SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion
> Show
>

> I know that many of you running and supervising the Folio and the

> Fashion Show are about my age, maybe a bit younger, so here is my

> personal take on it.  Ever since the Folio began to be put out

> completely electronically I have barely looked at it and have not

> made  up any designs. I remember back when getting very excited

> about doing them, and one year, being crazy disappointed because the

> design I Wanted had already been reserved.
>

>  I think my brain just does not work that way, to be able to
peruse
> and compare designs on a screen.  I know, I know, I could
print out
> the whole thing…….but with the number of designs it’s not
been
> practical with my printer, which only holds about 30 sheets of
paper
> at a time.  IT’s frustrating.
>
> The
First CC I attended (CC9 in Columbia) I registered at the door,
> had
never even HEARD of the FFF.  I really think our promotion and
>
outreach has gotten better.
>
> I’ve also run the Fashion Show
(CC27 in Baltimore) and I commiserate
> with the you on contestants
dropping out at the last minute (i.e.
> the con has already
started).  It’s hard to be in constant
> communication with
entrants, and keep having to revise the show.
>
> I still
think that having it Sunday mid-day is the best alternative.
> I
preferred when the SP contest was run at the same time as the
> Fashion
Show; I understand all the reasons why people like it on a
> separate
day, but I wonder if the numbers really have shown that it
> pushes more
people to enter the Fashion Show or not.
>
> Lisa a
>

> On 04 Jun 2016 17:35:20 -0700 “casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]”
>
<runacc@yahoogroups.com>
writes:
>
>
>
> Mostly cribbing from Karen s comments
here:  She would have liked to
> have
> had more
entries.   Six people did not properly notify her they
> would
not
> be in the show.   There is a need to stress that
contestants should
> let
> the Director know well ahead of time if
they will not get their
> designs
> made.   For example,
one of the designers who reserved one of their
> own
> exclusively
backed out, but didn t inform Karen.    Someone else
>
could
> have done it.   And a maker who did not want to repeat a
design
> lost
> their opportunity because the two people who were
going to do the
> same one backed out.
>
> As usual, there
seemed to be fewer people in the audience for the
> Folio
>
show.  Do people sleep in on Sunday morning?   There s not much
that
> can
> be done to encourage more people to come to the show,
despite no
> programming opposite it.  Overall, though, Karen was
pleased with
> what she had and it ran smoothly.
>
>

> Note to FFS directors about run orders:  Put an experienced person

> at the beginning and end and then sprinkle the other experienced

> people among the first-timers.
>
>
>
>

>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
>
> ————————————
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by: <lisa58@juno.com>
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>
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Group: runacc Message: 3080 From: ma0902432 Date: 6/7/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show

Hi Sharon,

Just to clarify, for me it’s not a matter of how useable to electronic
version is, I just prefer it in print and from now on am going to make
more of an effort to get it printed. It’s just a generational thing I
guess, I just prefer paper for a lot of things.

Lisa a

On Tue, 7 Jun 2016 13:36:02 -0400 “Sharon Sbarsky sbarsky@gmail.com
[runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

I’ve also been reading these threads with interest, and will probably go
back into the archives for earlier CCs. 😉 I assume that all are
available to share with our committee?

I’ve been thinking about the print/online FFF. As Aurora said, we were
looking at a special print-membership price, but mostly decided against
it because of complexity and impact on the budget. (balancing the income
and expense of print publications.)

But I’ve been wondering about electronic FFF. is the problem people have
with view the the FF online that it really isn’t optimized for a laptop,
tablet, or phone? If each design was setup so that it is easily viewable
(make larger, etc.) on someone’s phone or tablet would that be better?
Perhaps also letting the member print which ever designs they want, and
not the cost of the entire FFF.

Phone and tablet apps have been improving, and by 2019 we should be able
to get something that is better than what we’ve had until now.

Sharon

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 12:34 PM, Aurora Celeste auroraceleste@gmail.com
[runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

We had considered a print-membership price for CC37 and discarded the
idea. Perhaps we will revisit. Are there other things people would like
in print other than the folio?

~Aurora

On Monday, June 6, 2016, Andrew Trembley attrembl@bovil.com [runacc]
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

There are print-on-demand services that would make it easy for people who
want to buy a copy of the folio to do so online, and have it sent
directly to them.

The problem is I don’t know many of them that would make it easy to
restrict purchase of print folios to convention members only.

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 4:09 AM lisa58@juno.com [runacc]
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

?

Thanks Nora.

The cost info makes it more understandable. And the suggestion of
putting it on a drive and printing it at a shop makes sense too. I wish
I still had a job where I could do that!

It still seems to me, that Costume Con is not enough days for everything
we all want to pack into it!!

Lisa a

On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 13:57:25 -0500 “‘Nora & Bruce Mai’
casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

> To answer in reverse order:
> The numbers definitely support keeping the FFS away from any other
> competition. Just look at CC33 when the Portieres contest was run at
> the same time – there were 21 entries for that and only three for
> the FFS.
> The discrepancy is usually not quite that drastic (and may often
> depend on the quality of the Folio itself) but the Folio Show loses
> in any instance where the contestants have to choose between the
> Folio and any other event.
>
> As for electronic Folios versus hard-copy – it began as a matter of
> cost rather than trend. Printing & Mailing costs rose precipitously
> several years ago and the cost of the Folio became the biggest
> budget item for many CCs. Add in problems with delivering in a
> timely fashion (post production of a printed Folio is easily doubled
> by printing & mailing) and growing acceptance of electronic
> publications in the larger costuming community; you can see how
> electronic is the only feasible option going forward. As you say,
> you can always print it (many do). Given your printer limitations
> maybe it would be easier to load it on a flash drive and take it to
> your local Kinko’s (or whatever printshop is in your area).
> The savings to the concom means they can provide more in other
> areas.
>
> As an aside – did the horizontal format make it easier to browse the
> recent Folio as opposed to the past vertical formats? I was hoping
> it would make it more use-able as an electronic format.
>
> Nora M
>
> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
> Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 11:15 AM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [runacc] SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion
> Show
>
> I know that many of you running and supervising the Folio and the
> Fashion Show are about my age, maybe a bit younger, so here is my
> personal take on it. Ever since the Folio began to be put out
> completely electronically I have barely looked at it and have not
> made up any designs. I remember back when getting very excited
> about doing them, and one year, being crazy disappointed because the
> design I Wanted had already been reserved.
>
> I think my brain just does not work that way, to be able to peruse
> and compare designs on a screen. I know, I know, I could print out
> the whole thing…….but with the number of designs it’s not been
> practical with my printer, which only holds about 30 sheets of paper
> at a time. IT’s frustrating.
>
> The First CC I attended (CC9 in Columbia) I registered at the door,
> had never even HEARD of the FFF. I really think our promotion and
> outreach has gotten better.
>
> I’ve also run the Fashion Show (CC27 in Baltimore) and I commiserate
> with the you on contestants dropping out at the last minute (i.e.
> the con has already started). It’s hard to be in constant
> communication with entrants, and keep having to revise the show.
>
> I still think that having it Sunday mid-day is the best alternative.
> I preferred when the SP contest was run at the same time as the
> Fashion Show; I understand all the reasons why people like it on a
> separate day, but I wonder if the numbers really have shown that it
> pushes more people to enter the Fashion Show or not.
>
> Lisa a
>
> On 04 Jun 2016 17:35:20 -0700 “casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]”
> <runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:
>
>
>
> Mostly cribbing from Karen s comments here: She would have liked to
> have
> had more entries. Six people did not properly notify her they
> would not
> be in the show. There is a need to stress that contestants should
> let
> the Director know well ahead of time if they will not get their
> designs
> made. For example, one of the designers who reserved one of their
> own
> exclusively backed out, but didn t inform Karen. Someone else
> could
> have done it. And a maker who did not want to repeat a design
> lost
> their opportunity because the two people who were going to do the
> same one backed out.
>
> As usual, there seemed to be fewer people in the audience for the
> Folio
> show. Do people sleep in on Sunday morning? There s not much that
> can
> be done to encourage more people to come to the show, despite no
> programming opposite it. Overall, though, Karen was pleased with
> what she had and it ran smoothly.
>
>
> Note to FFS directors about run orders: Put an experienced person
> at the beginning and end and then sprinkle the other experienced
> people among the first-timers.
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ————————————
> Posted by: <lisa58@juno.com>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> ————————————
>
> Yahoo Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

> ————————————
> Posted by: “Nora & Bruce Mai” <casamai@sbcglobal.net>

> ————————————
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> ————————————
>
> Yahoo Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 3081 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/7/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show

 

I also prefer paper. I recognize that’s beyond the budget of most CCs. However, I think a CC ought to be able to cost out the production and delivery of individual paper copies of the FFF — including the cost of paper, ink, staples, envelopes, labor, and postage — and charge that amount for copies to members who neither want to use an electronic version nor to print their own copies. If this service were limited to members requesting it at the time they joined the con (or requested it before s specified deadline), the con could reasonably estimate how much revenue and expenditure would be involved.

 

Byron

 

 

On Jun 7, 2016, at 5:10 PM, lisa58@juno.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Hi Sharon,

Just to clarify, for me it’s not a matter of how useable to electronic
version is, I just prefer it in print and from now on am going to make
more of an effort to get it printed. It’s just a generational thing I
guess, I just prefer paper for a lot of things.

Lisa a

On Tue, 7 Jun 2016 13:36:02 -0400 “Sharon Sbarsky sbarsky@gmail.com
[runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

I’ve also been reading these threads with interest, and will probably go
back into the archives for earlier CCs. 😉 I assume that all are
available to share with our committee?

I’ve been thinking about the print/online FFF. As Aurora said, we were
looking at a special print-membership price, but mostly decided against
it because of complexity and impact on the budget. (balancing the income
and expense of print publications.)

But I’ve been wondering about electronic FFF. is the problem people have
with view the the FF online that it really isn’t optimized for a laptop,
tablet, or phone? If each design was setup so that it is easily viewable
(make larger, etc.) on someone’s phone or tablet would that be better?
Perhaps also letting the member print which ever designs they want, and
not the cost of the entire FFF.

Phone and tablet apps have been improving, and by 2019 we should be able
to get something that is better than what we’ve had until now.

Sharon

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 12:34 PM, Aurora Celeste auroraceleste@gmail.com
[runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

We had considered a print-membership price for CC37 and discarded the
idea. Perhaps we will revisit. Are there other things people would like
in print other than the folio?

~Aurora

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3082 From: von_drago Date: 6/7/2016
Subject: CC34 Future Fashion Folio

I’m curious – what did people think of the horizontal format?

I hoped it would display better on a computer screen, any feedback?

 

Nora

 

Group: runacc Message: 3083 From: von_drago Date: 6/10/2016
Subject: Re: CC34 Future Fashion Folio

So no opinion?

 

Nora

 

Group: runacc Message: 3084 From: von_drago Date: 6/10/2016
Subject: Costume-Con “Traditions”

 

 

 

In light of recent discussions it seems like we might need
to codify some of the generally expected customs and activities that are not
specifically required in the CC ConStitution but have established themselves at
Costume-Con year after year. Not that they have to be included every year but
habitual attendees can be disappointed by things that Con-coms never knew
about. Plus it would be good to have the history of all these CC traditions.

 

 

 

 

 

Examples:

 

 

Exhibits

 

 

Dead Dog Party

 

 

Announcement Process

 

 

Guild Chapter Awards

 

 

Mousekerade

 

 

Half-time Videos

 

 

Photo Run

 

 

Doll Contest

 

 

Hospitality

 

 

 

 

 

So to aid both future Con-coms and attendees, and to
preserve this history for the Archives, we’d like to compile a list of the
non-official Costume-Con Traditions. Include everything you know – origin (year
& persons), impact, personal stories, and its demise (if applicable).

 

 

 

 

 

So what do you expect at a Costume-Con that is not outlined
in the ConStitution? Discuss.

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3085 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 6/10/2016
Subject: Re: [runacc] Costume-Con “Traditions”

Some of this is outlined in the work I did to translate the programs into the main pages for each CC. There are lists embedded where “first instance of X” are noted.

That includes things like Single Pattern, Single Item (bra, codpiece), doll contest, video masquerade, etc.
I haven’t looked closely at the work that was done after Dan forced me to step down, so I can’t say with certainty that the work was continued after I walked away.
That’s also why I put all the rules on the pages with the contest albums. That way, there’d be an easy to find way to look at the evolution of the rules from competition to competition.
I’ve been toying with the idea of moving the entire site to a blog structure, since it’s still database driven but has a much prettier form for laying out the data and can be keyworded (rules, participants, etc) a lot more elegantly than was available way back when Kevin and Andy helped set Gallery up for us.
It’s a TON of work, though, and until I finished my degree, wasn’t remotely possible.

Now that I’m done, I’m chewing on possibilities to propose to Karen for changing the structure.

I’ve also missed all the CCs since 27, and I wasn’t really there for that. What’s come since I stepped down (around 25)?
-b

 

 

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 8:40 PM, von_drago@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

In light of recent discussions it seems like we might need
to codify some of the generally expected customs and activities that are not
specifically required in the CC ConStitution but have established themselves at
Costume-Con year after year. Not that they have to be included every year but
habitual attendees can be disappointed by things that Con-coms never knew
about. Plus it would be good to have the history of all these CC traditions.

 

 

 

 

 

Examples:

 

 

Exhibits

 

 

Dead Dog Party

 

 

Announcement Process

 

 

Guild Chapter Awards

 

 

Mousekerade

 

 

Half-time Videos

 

 

Photo Run

 

 

Doll Contest

 

 

Hospitality

 

 

 

 

 

So to aid both future Con-coms and attendees, and to
preserve this history for the Archives, we’d like to compile a list of the
non-official Costume-Con Traditions. Include everything you know – origin (year
& persons), impact, personal stories, and its demise (if applicable).

 

 

 

 

 

So what do you expect at a Costume-Con that is not outlined
in the ConStitution? Discuss.

 

 

 

 

 


Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3086 From: Vicky Young Date: 6/10/2016
Subject: Re: CC34 Future Fashion Folio
Hi Nora,

Sorry, I’ve had limited Internet access for the past few days –

I personally liked the horizontal format.i find it easier to read, because vertical pages sometimes require scrolling, which makes it harder to imagine the whole thing.

Vicky



From:

von_drago@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>;

To:

<runacc@yahoogroups.com>;

Subject:

[runacc] Re: CC34 Future Fashion Folio

Sent:

Sat, Jun 11, 2016 12:33:33 AM

 

So no opinion?

 

Nora

 

Group: runacc Message: 3087 From: Byron P Connell Date: 6/11/2016
Subject: Re: CC34 Future Fashion Folio

 

No, no opinion. So long as I can print it easily, I don’t care which way the pages are oriented.

 

Byron

 

So no opinion?

Nora

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3088 From: Sharon Sbarsky Date: 6/11/2016
Subject: Re: [runacc] Costume-Con “Traditions”
yes, this! I would love to know what people consider “traditional” enough that there will be disappointments or complaints if they didn’t happen.
What is the Mousekerade? That either hasn’t been at any of the CCs I’ve attended, or was low enough on my radar/interest that I didn’t pay attention.

The others I’m pretty aware of, in at least one iteration.

I would also like to hear opinions on the “official video” availability and sales. Eric stated that it was a “rule” that the video *must* be available for sale *at* the CC for people to buy and go home with. But I also know that some video directors (like Syd) like to spend more time on creating the official video, including credits of crew and entrants, and make it available some time later. I couldn’t find any rule on this in the Constitution, but what is expected?

Sharon

 

 

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 8:40 PM, von_drago@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

In light of recent discussions it seems like we might need
to codify some of the generally expected customs and activities that are not
specifically required in the CC ConStitution but have established themselves at
Costume-Con year after year. Not that they have to be included every year but
habitual attendees can be disappointed by things that Con-coms never knew
about. Plus it would be good to have the history of all these CC traditions.

 

 

 

 

 

Examples:

 

 

Exhibits

 

 

Dead Dog Party

 

 

Announcement Process

 

 

Guild Chapter Awards

 

 

Mousekerade

 

 

Half-time Videos

 

 

Photo Run

 

 

Doll Contest

 

 

Hospitality

 

 

 

 

 

So to aid both future Con-coms and attendees, and to
preserve this history for the Archives, we’d like to compile a list of the
non-official Costume-Con Traditions. Include everything you know – origin (year
& persons), impact, personal stories, and its demise (if applicable).

 

 

 

 

 

So what do you expect at a Costume-Con that is not outlined
in the ConStitution? Discuss.

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3089 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 6/11/2016
Subject: Re: [runacc] Costume-Con “Traditions”

Mousekerade is silly fun at the Dead Dog.  People bring a stuffed animal and costume it with stuff they find at the convention, then have a silly-as-possible thing.  Bonus points if the judges have been drinking.  At CC27 we had lots of drinks and deliberated in a closet.  Literally.  Lots of fun.

On Saturday, June 11, 2016, Sharon Sbarsky sbarsky@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

yes, this! I would love to know what people consider “traditional” enough that there will be disappointments or complaints if they didn’t happen.
What is the Mousekerade? That either hasn’t been at any of the CCs I’ve attended, or was low enough on my radar/interest that I didn’t pay attention.

The others I’m pretty aware of, in at least one iteration.

I would also like to hear opinions on the “official video” availability and sales. Eric stated that it was a “rule” that the video *must* be available for sale *at* the CC for people to buy and go home with. But I also know that some video directors (like Syd) like to spend more time on creating the official video, including credits of crew and entrants, and make it available some time later. I couldn’t find any rule on this in the Constitution, but what is expected?

Sharon

 

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 8:40 PM, von_drago@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

In light of recent discussions it seems like we might need
to codify some of the generally expected customs and activities that are not
specifically required in the CC ConStitution but have established themselves at
Costume-Con year after year. Not that they have to be included every year but
habitual attendees can be disappointed by things that Con-coms never knew
about. Plus it would be good to have the history of all these CC traditions.

 

 

 

 

 

Examples:

 

 

Exhibits

 

 

Dead Dog Party

 

 

Announcement Process

 

 

Guild Chapter Awards

 

 

Mousekerade

 

 

Half-time Videos

 

 

Photo Run

 

 

Doll Contest

 

 

Hospitality

 

 

 

 

 

So to aid both future Con-coms and attendees, and to
preserve this history for the Archives, we’d like to compile a list of the
non-official Costume-Con Traditions. Include everything you know – origin (year
& persons), impact, personal stories, and its demise (if applicable).

 

 

 

 

 

So what do you expect at a Costume-Con that is not outlined
in the ConStitution? Discuss.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3090 From: von_drago Date: 6/11/2016
Subject: Re: [runacc] Costume-Con “Traditions”

Mousekerade Origin – CC16; one of the vendors had a rack of Folkmanis hand puppets including white mice. Some folks used stuffies they had brought with them. Drinking may have been involved 🙂

I know it was done at 25 & 27 – what other years had a Mousekerade?

 

Nora

 

Group: runacc Message: 3091 From: von_drago Date: 6/11/2016
Subject: Re: [runacc] Costume-Con “Traditions”

We definitely want things not on that list – those are just some examples and there are plenty more.

 

Nora

 

Group: runacc Message: 3092 From: Byron P Connell Date: 6/11/2016
Subject: Re: [runacc] Costume-Con “Traditions”

 

The absence of mousekerade would not cause me grief. However, if others want it, the dead dog probably is a good place for it.

 

Byron

 

Mousekerade is silly fun at the Dead Dog.  People bring a stuffed animal and costume it with stuff they find at the convention, then have a silly-as-possible thing.  Bonus points if the judges have been drinking.  At CC27 we had lots of drinks and deliberated in a closet.  Literally.  Lots of fun.

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3093 From: ma0902432 Date: 6/12/2016
Subject: Re: Costume-Con “Traditions”
Although one thing I know we all want to be careful of is MORE contests,
I really enjoyed the Quilt contest. I started it at CC27, in memory of
Bobby Gear, who was a grand quilter and taught me a lot about quilting.
It hasn’t been seen EVERY year since, but most, I know we had it last
year at CC33 in Charleston and it was memorable. Those of us who quilt
regularly, usually have one or two things enter once the County Fairs,
etc are done. And I know I’ve met a few folks who specifically made
their first quilt to enter at CC, plus it’s always interesting if the con
has a special category.

Lisa a

On 10 Jun 2016 17:40:43 -0700 “von_drago@yahoo.com [runacc]”
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

In light of recent discussions it seems like we might need to codify some
of the generally expected customs and activities that are not
specifically required in the CC ConStitution but have established
themselves at Costume-Con year after year. Not that they have to be
included every year but habitual attendees can be disappointed by things
that Con-coms never knew about. Plus it would be good to have the history
of all these CC traditions.

Examples:
Exhibits
Dead Dog Party
Announcement Process
Guild Chapter Awards
Mousekerade
Half-time Videos
Photo Run
Doll Contest
Hospitality

So to aid both future Con-coms and attendees, and to preserve this
history for the Archives, we�d like to compile a list of the non-official
Costume-Con Traditions. Include everything you know � origin (year &
persons), impact, personal stories, and its demise (if applicable).

So what do you expect at a Costume-Con that is not outlined in the
ConStitution? Discuss.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 3094 From: ma0902432 Date: 6/12/2016
Subject: Re: Re: [runacc] Costume-Con “Traditions”
Most attendees, esp that masquerade participants, think it’s AWESOME if
the videos are available to buy at the con itself. I love Syd, and I
understand wanting to spend more time editing it, but what seems to
happen most times is that it “gets lost” and folks who wanted a video
record of what they did never get it. It might be months later, or in
some cases over a year later, that the video gets produced, and a lot of
times, alerts or notices that it’s finally available don’t get directed
to the people who most want to know.

The Dead Dog Party Mon. evvening, while not set in stone, has been a nice
time at other CC’s in the past. USually it wasn’t much more than having
the con suite, or some larger space, available with seating (comfortable
chairs!) so that people can wander in and out, talk to people, and show
off the cool fabric they bought on Monday outings, and the rest of us can
“ooh” and “aaah” over it. HAving Archives video playing is nice–having
Masquerade video from the Con is nice. Even slide shows of costumes past
is nice. Food and drinks are nice. The Mouskerade was some people
dressing up some stuffed animals in costumes, I personally was never into
it, but people seemed to enjoy it. My feeling is that by Monday night,
I’ve had enough competition for the while. It should be relaxing. The
past con, and I think at least one or two recently, there didn’t seem to
be any real plan for Monday night.

Lisa a

On Sat, 11 Jun 2016 11:44:35 -0400 “Sharon Sbarsky sbarsky@gmail.com
[runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

yes, this! I would love to know what people consider “traditional” enough
that there will be disappointments or complaints if they didn’t happen.

What is the Mousekerade? That either hasn’t been at any of the CCs I’ve
attended, or was low enough on my radar/interest that I didn’t pay
attention.

The others I’m pretty aware of, in at least one iteration.

I would also like to hear opinions on the “official video” availability
and sales. Eric stated that it was a “rule” that the video *must* be
available for sale *at* the CC for people to buy and go home with. But I
also know that some video directors (like Syd) like to spend more time on
creating the official video, including credits of crew and entrants, and
make it available some time later. I couldn’t find any rule on this in
the Constitution, but what is expected?

Sharon

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 8:40 PM, von_drago@yahoo.com [runacc]
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

In light of recent discussions it seems like we might need to codify some
of the generally expected customs and activities that are not
specifically required in the CC ConStitution but have established
themselves at Costume-Con year after year. Not that they have to be
included every year but habitual attendees can be disappointed by things
that Con-coms never knew about. Plus it would be good to have the history
of all these CC traditions.

Examples:
Exhibits
Dead Dog Party
Announcement Process
Guild Chapter Awards
Mousekerade
Half-time Videos
Photo Run
Doll Contest
Hospitality

So to aid both future Con-coms and attendees, and to preserve this
history for the Archives, we�d like to compile a list of the non-official
Costume-Con Traditions. Include everything you know � origin (year &
persons), impact, personal stories, and its demise (if applicable).

So what do you expect at a Costume-Con that is not outlined in the
ConStitution? Discuss.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 3095 From: ma0902432 Date: 6/12/2016
Subject: Re: Re: [runacc] Costume-Con “Traditions”
Bobby Gear Memorial Quilt contest, great to have at least one themed
award

Ribbons and certificates

I recall a few years that had a Victorian pool party

Hall costumes, special themes are great, like a convention ‘motif’,
special contests for each day, if well-publicized, have been fun, group
hall costumes

An afternoon Tea could be great–there have been a few on Sunday
afternoons in the past, perhaps a Monday afternoon/evening Tea could work

Exhibits: I personally LOVE the chance to get see some fantastic older
costumes up close, exhibits are great when you can actually WALK AROUND
the whole costume, and get a closer look at props

Costumer Retrospectives: I don’t remember the exact con they started, it
had been done a couple times by CC27, when I was invited to give one. I
can’t say enough how much I love these. It gives you a real chance to
get inside a costumer’s head and understand better how they think while
costuming, what their creative process is. I’d like it to become a
tradition of 1 or 2 costumers at every CC, can be chosen by the Con Chair
and Committee.

The Archives giving the Half-time entertainment at least during the F&SF
Masquerade–may not be an official “tradition” yet, but it is always
entertaining, and gives us a better understanding and appreciation of our
art form

Lisa a

On 11 Jun 2016 13:58:24 -0700 “von_drago@yahoo.com [runacc]”
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

We definitely want things not on that list – those are just some examples
and there are plenty more.

Nora

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 3096 From: spiritof_76 Date: 6/12/2016
Subject: Re: CC34 Future Fashion Folio

I didn’t see it. However, I can see how a landscape format would lend
itself to having a design on one side and the text on the other. It
would also display well on computer screens or when projected.

Michael

On 2016-06-10 21:05, Byron P Connell byronpconnell@gmail.com [runacc]
wrote:

> No, no opinion. So long as I can print it easily, I don’t care which
> way the pages are oriented.
>
> Byron
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 3097 From: ECM Date: 6/14/2016
Subject: Re: CC34 Future Fashion Folio

 

Still no better for me.
Elaine


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 17:33:33 -0700
Subject: [runacc] Re: CC34 Future Fashion Folio

 

So no opinion?

Nora

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3098 From: ECM Date: 6/14/2016
Subject: RE: [runacc] Costume-Con “Traditions”

 

IMHO, Hospitality is a given for any con.  Ours just happens to be more formal than most, and replaces all those individual room parties.
CC5 began the chapter awards, when Kevin got the first Spazzy for his Hall Costume.  Thus are traditions begun.
Everything else, I feel, belongs to the individual con-coms to include or not.
Elaine


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 11:44:35 -0400
Subject: Re: [runacc] Costume-Con “Traditions”

 

yes, this! I would love to know what people consider “traditional” enough that there will be disappointments or complaints if they didn’t happen.
What is the Mousekerade? That either hasn’t been at any of the CCs I’ve attended, or was low enough on my radar/interest that I didn’t pay attention.

The others I’m pretty aware of, in at least one iteration.

I would also like to hear opinions on the “official video” availability and sales. Eric stated that it was a “rule” that the video *must* be available for sale *at* the CC for people to buy and go home with. But I also know that some video directors (like Syd) like to spend more time on creating the official video, including credits of crew and entrants, and make it available some time later. I couldn’t find any rule on this in the Constitution, but what is expected?

Sharon

 

 

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 8:40 PM, von_drago@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

In light of recent discussions it seems like we might need
to codify some of the generally expected customs and activities that are not
specifically required in the CC ConStitution but have established themselves at
Costume-Con year after year. Not that they have to be included every year but
habitual attendees can be disappointed by things that Con-coms never knew
about. Plus it would be good to have the history of all these CC traditions.

 

Examples:

Exhibits

Dead Dog Party

Announcement Process

Guild Chapter Awards

Mousekerade

Half-time Videos

Photo Run

Doll Contest

Hospitality

 

So to aid both future Con-coms and attendees, and to
preserve this history for the Archives, we’d like to compile a list of the
non-official Costume-Con Traditions. Include everything you know – origin (year
& persons), impact, personal stories, and its demise (if applicable).

 

So what do you expect at a Costume-Con that is not outlined
in the ConStitution? Discuss.

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3099 From: ECM Date: 6/14/2016
Subject: RE: [runacc] Costume-Con “Traditions”

 

IMHO, Hospitality is a given for any con.  Ours just happens to be more formal than most, and replaces all those individual room parties.
CC5 began the chapter awards, when Kevin got the first Spazzy for his Hall Costume.  Thus are traditions begun.
Everything else, I feel, belongs to the individual con-coms to include or not.
Elaine


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 11:44:35 -0400
Subject: Re: [runacc] Costume-Con “Traditions”

 

yes, this! I would love to know what people consider “traditional” enough that there will be disappointments or complaints if they didn’t happen.
What is the Mousekerade? That either hasn’t been at any of the CCs I’ve attended, or was low enough on my radar/interest that I didn’t pay attention.

The others I’m pretty aware of, in at least one iteration.

I would also like to hear opinions on the “official video” availability and sales. Eric stated that it was a “rule” that the video *must* be available for sale *at* the CC for people to buy and go home with. But I also know that some video directors (like Syd) like to spend more time on creating the official video, including credits of crew and entrants, and make it available some time later. I couldn’t find any rule on this in the Constitution, but what is expected?

Sharon

 

 

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 8:40 PM, von_drago@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

In light of recent discussions it seems like we might need
to codify some of the generally expected customs and activities that are not
specifically required in the CC ConStitution but have established themselves at
Costume-Con year after year. Not that they have to be included every year but
habitual attendees can be disappointed by things that Con-coms never knew
about. Plus it would be good to have the history of all these CC traditions.

 

Examples:

Exhibits

Dead Dog Party

Announcement Process

Guild Chapter Awards

Mousekerade

Half-time Videos

Photo Run

Doll Contest

Hospitality

 

So to aid both future Con-coms and attendees, and to
preserve this history for the Archives, we’d like to compile a list of the
non-official Costume-Con Traditions. Include everything you know – origin (year
& persons), impact, personal stories, and its demise (if applicable).

 

So what do you expect at a Costume-Con that is not outlined
in the ConStitution? Discuss.

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3100 From: Trudy Leonard Date: 6/16/2016
Subject: Re: [runacc] Costume-Con “Traditions”

 

Maybe at 17? I remember judging one with Pierre and Sandy, not too long after the original.

 

Trudy

 


From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of von_drago@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 4:57 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Costume-Con “Traditions”

 

Mousekerade Origin – CC16; one of the vendors had a rack of Folkmanis hand puppets including white mice. Some folks used stuffies they had brought with them. Drinking may have been involved 🙂

I know it was done at 25 & 27 – what other years had a Mousekerade?

 

Nora

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3101 From: costumrs Date: 6/16/2016
Subject: Re: Costume-Con “Traditions”

 

This may have been said before, but I think one of the “must-haves” (so long as it doesn’t break the bank) is a dead dog party, at least something for people to do Monday afternoon/evening. I’ve really missed it the last two years.
My opinion only.
Sandy
Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
——– Original message ——–
From: “Trudy Leonard georgialei@hotmail.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 6/16/16 12:37 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Costume-Con “Traditions”

 

Maybe at 17? I remember judging one with Pierre and Sandy, not too long after the original.

 

Trudy

 


From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of von_drago@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 4:57 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Costume-Con “Traditions”

 

Mousekerade Origin – CC16; one of the vendors had a rack of Folkmanis hand puppets including white mice. Some folks used stuffies they had brought with them. Drinking may have been involved 🙂

I know it was done at 25 & 27 – what other years had a Mousekerade?

 

Nora

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3102 From: Kevin Roche Date: 6/16/2016
Subject: Re: [runacc] Costume-Con “Traditions”

26 had a mousekerade

On Thursday, June 16, 2016, costumrs costumrs@radiks.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

This may have been said before, but I think one of the “must-haves” (so long as it doesn’t break the bank) is a dead dog party, at least something for people to do Monday afternoon/evening. I’ve really missed it the last two years.
My opinion only.
Sandy
Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
——– Original message ——–
From: “Trudy Leonard georgialei@hotmail.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 6/16/16 12:37 AM (GMT-06:00)
Subject: Re: [runacc] Costume-Con “Traditions”

 

Maybe at 17? I remember judging one with Pierre and Sandy, not too long after the original.

 

Trudy

 


From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of von_drago@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 4:57 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Costume-Con “Traditions”

 

Mousekerade Origin – CC16; one of the vendors had a rack of Folkmanis hand puppets including white mice. Some folks used stuffies they had brought with them. Drinking may have been involved 🙂

I know it was done at 25 & 27 – what other years had a Mousekerade?

 

Nora

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3103 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/18/2016
Subject: Fwd: [SLCG-X] SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Green Room

 

I intended this to be part of the SLCG review of CC 34; however, it did not get done in time. I hope it is useful.

 

Byron Connell
CC 34 Green Room Manager

 

 

 

Begin forwarded message:

 

From: Byron Connell <byronpconnell@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [SLCG-X] SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Green Room
Date: June 3, 2016 at 7:22:55 PM EDT

 

First, kudos to the con for providing a space for the green room that was (1) large, (2) clear of obstructions (such as columns) and without alcoves, (3) convenient to the stage, (4) well lighted, (5) equipped with enough chairs and tables, and (6) not used for any other purpose during the con. The green room crew’s ability to have access to the room at any time made our jobs a lot easier. The live video feed made it simple for me to cue dens to line up and go to the stage. The accompanying sound was quite poor; however, I don’t need good sound in order to do this. Future concoms would do well to do likewise.

One of the standard problems at a CC is staffing the green room, because so many members enter multiple shows. In this case, between volunteers seeking me out . . . , my recruits, and members signing up at the staff office, there were enough staff for the SF&F and Historical masquerades, if not a generous number. That was less true for the FFF and not true at all for the SPC. In both shows, however, I was expecting less chaos and a simpler format since these ran as fashion shows, not masquerades. In particular, I did not have any staff for the SPG, nor did I expect to do so since it was on the first night of the con during the Friday Night Social. I was caught by surprise by the number of entrants in the SPC but simply arranged two dens of a dozen chairs each to accommodate them.
The location of the official photographer, just off the green room, was reasonably convenient and den moms were able to shoo their entrants into lines for photography fairly easily. The workmanship judges were at the far end of the room. Because lines for judging moved slowly, seating for those on line (who could sit down in their costumes) was used.
When I saw the green room for the first time, chairs were arranged theater style. I began to strike them into either den semicircles or stacks against the walls. However, it wasn’t until after the SF&F that the last of the theater style seating was moved (by hotel staff).
The snacks and drinks available in the green room were catered by the hotel. What we got was what the con could afford. I don’t know what the con’s budget for green room food was; however, for Chicon 7’s single masquerade green room, the food cost over $2,400. You get what you pay for and the con was not paying for dinner. The budget covered 4 green rooms. We specified the stuff we didn’t want (sticky, likely to smear on costumes, no peanuts, and so forth) and that we were looking for stuff to give entrants a quick energy boost. What we got was bowls of candy, popcorn, and similar finger foods, and canned beverages. Future concoms need to keep in mind the cost of catering by the venue and plan accordingly.
Tina reported that the repair table was quite busy at times, however, we were able to meet everybody’s needs. The mirrors provided by the con were used regularly. They also are a feature that future concoms should provide.
My big screw-up was in the SF&F, where I used what I mistakenly believed was the running order to set up the dens. The list appeared to be in running order, with alphabetic designators beginning with “a” and going through the alphabet. It was about an hour and a half after the room opened that I received the true running order and realized the magnitude of my mistake. It was necessary to hurriedly re-arrange the entrants and their dens, pull some early numbers from the judging line and move others to the front of the line. However, wew were able to do so without disrupting the start of the show.
Apparently, what I was given initially was the list of entries as they had been logged in at registration. What confused me was the alphabetic designators for each entry. I can only suggest in the strongest terms that future concoms using registration programs that assign such designators keep the designators private for the MD and registration staff and do not let them appear on any lists disseminated to other staff.
In comparison to the SF&F running order, I was given the Historical masquerade running order at about 9:30 Sunday morning, in the FFF green room. Many thanks to the MD for doing this. It allowed me to determine how many dens I needed and how many chairs to put in each den, and to reserve the final den for the 17-member entry. I even had time to prepare 3×5 cards for each entry as a check-in aid for me and the den moms.
Byron

 

On May 26, 2016, at 10:05 PM, Dave Kanoy davekanoy@sbcglobal.net [SLCG-X] <SLCG-X@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

As I recall, the dens weren’t arranged by entry number, but rather by the order they signed up for the masquerade.  This caused some chaotic movement in the green room and a bit of calling of entrants so they could line up.
Green room was well stocked with water and snacks.  The emergency repair table was called on once by the entry I was ninja-ing for and they had what we needed, so good on ’em.  There seemed to be plenty of room, until the drow queen started getting into her contraption.  Then things got big and crowded.
Later,
Dave Kanoy


On Wednesday, May 25, 2016 11:16 PM, “casamai@sbcglobal.net [SLCG-X]” <SLCG-X@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



 

Byron?   Take it away.   Anybody else have a comment about the Green Room?



 

 

 

 

 

 

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Group: runacc Message: 3004 From: Sharon Sbarsky Date: 3/23/2016
Subject: Re: Attendance and room counts
Group: runacc Message: 3005 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 3/23/2016
Subject: Re: Attendance and room counts
Group: runacc Message: 3006 From: Kevin Roche Date: 3/23/2016
Subject: Re: Size of main event room
Group: runacc Message: 3007 From: Sharon Sbarsky Date: 3/23/2016
Subject: Re: Size of main event room
Group: runacc Message: 3008 From: spiritof_76 Date: 3/23/2016
Subject: Re: Attendance and room counts
Group: runacc Message: 3009 From: Sharon Sbarsky Date: 3/24/2016
Subject: Re: Attendance and room counts
Group: runacc Message: 3010 From: ECM Date: 3/26/2016
Subject: Re: Attendance and room counts
Group: runacc Message: 3011 From: Sharon Sbarsky Date: 3/26/2016
Subject: Re: Attendance and room counts
Group: runacc Message: 3012 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 4/8/2016
Subject: CC Attendance
Group: runacc Message: 3013 From: ECM Date: 4/9/2016
Subject: Re: CC Attendance
Group: runacc Message: 3014 From: costumrs Date: 4/9/2016
Subject: Re: CC Attendance
Group: runacc Message: 3015 From: beckieboo817 Date: 4/9/2016
Subject: Re: CC Attendance
Group: runacc Message: 3016 From: Kevin Roche Date: 4/9/2016
Subject: Re: CC Attendance
Group: runacc Message: 3017 From: ECM Date: 4/9/2016
Subject: Re: CC Attendance
Group: runacc Message: 3018 From: dandyhank Date: 4/10/2016
Subject: CC attendance
Group: runacc Message: 3019 From: spiritof_76 Date: 4/10/2016
Subject: Re: CC attendance
Group: runacc Message: 3020 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 4/10/2016
Subject: Re: CC Attendance
Group: runacc Message: 3021 From: Sarah A Bloy Date: 4/10/2016
Subject: Re: CC Attendance
Group: runacc Message: 3022 From: Kaijugal . Date: 4/11/2016
Subject: Re: Size of main event room
Group: runacc Message: 3023 From: spiritof_76 Date: 4/11/2016
Subject: Re: CC Attendance
Group: runacc Message: 3024 From: Kaijugal . Date: 4/12/2016
Subject: Re: Size of main event room
Group: runacc Message: 3025 From: beckieboo817 Date: 4/13/2016
Subject: Hotel room rates and why
Group: runacc Message: 3026 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 4/13/2016
Subject: Re: Hotel room rates and why
Group: runacc Message: 3027 From: Sarah A Bloy Date: 4/15/2016
Subject: Re: Hotel room rates and why
Group: runacc Message: 3028 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 4/15/2016
Subject: Re: Hotel room rates and why
Group: runacc Message: 3029 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 4/15/2016
Subject: Re: Hotel room rates and why
Group: runacc Message: 3030 From: Kaijugal . Date: 4/16/2016
Subject: Single pattern on a Friday (Was: Hotel room rates and why)
Group: runacc Message: 3031 From: costumrs Date: 4/17/2016
Subject: Re: Single pattern on a Friday (Was: Hotel room rates and why)
Group: runacc Message: 3032 From: Byron Connell Date: 4/17/2016
Subject: Re: Single pattern on a Friday (Was: Hotel room rates and why)
Group: runacc Message: 3033 From: grizzy1955 Date: 4/18/2016
Subject: Re: Hotel room rates and why
Group: runacc Message: 3034 From: grizzy1955 Date: 4/19/2016
Subject: Need a representative from CC38 in Montreal proto-bid to contact me
Group: runacc Message: 3035 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 4/19/2016
Subject: Yahoo Fail?
Group: runacc Message: 3036 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 4/19/2016
Subject: Re: Need a representative from CC38 in Montreal proto-bid to contact
Group: runacc Message: 3037 From: staceylee25 Date: 4/20/2016
Subject: Re: Yahoo Fail?
Group: runacc Message: 3038 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 4/24/2016
Subject: Re: Yahoo Fail?
Group: runacc Message: 3039 From: beckieboo817 Date: 5/2/2016
Subject: Ballot
Group: runacc Message: 3040 From: Sharon Sbarsky Date: 5/2/2016
Subject: Re: Ballot
Group: runacc Message: 3041 From: beckieboo817 Date: 5/2/2016
Subject: Re: Ballot
Group: runacc Message: 3042 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 5/2/2016
Subject: Re: Ballot
Group: runacc Message: 3043 From: Sharon Sbarsky Date: 5/2/2016
Subject: Re: Ballot
Group: runacc Message: 3044 From: Rick Kovalcik Date: 5/2/2016
Subject: Re: Ballot
Group: runacc Message: 3045 From: Rick Kovalcik Date: 5/7/2016
Subject: Re: Ballot
Group: runacc Message: 3046 From: casamai Date: 5/30/2016
Subject: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Pre-convention
Group: runacc Message: 3047 From: casamai Date: 5/31/2016
Subject: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Registration
Group: runacc Message: 3048 From: casamai Date: 6/1/2016
Subject: SLCG Costume-Con Review: The Hotel
Group: runacc Message: 3049 From: Trudy Leonard Date: 6/1/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con Review: The Hotel
Group: runacc Message: 3050 From: costumrs Date: 6/2/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con Review: The Hotel
Group: runacc Message: 3051 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/2/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con Review: The Hotel
Group: runacc Message: 3052 From: casamai Date: 6/2/2016
Subject: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 3053 From: beckieboo817 Date: 6/3/2016
Subject: Budgets

 


 

Group: runacc Message: 3004 From: Sharon Sbarsky Date: 3/23/2016
Subject: Re: Attendance and room counts
Thank you, though most of those numbers would probably need to be heavily corrected for inflation. I’m also interested in more recent years.

Sharon

 

 

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 4:39 PM, Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

The numbers for CCXV are on costume-con.org under ConStitution (as a sample, but it’s the final numbers we had).

You’re welcome to crib from that if you want. 8)
Betsy

 

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 4:29 PM, Sharon Sbarsky sbarsky@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I started my post giving the long list of Worldcons and Smofcons as examples. Those are kept is pseudo spreadsheets as html table pages. I’ll be willing to setup a Google doc that can be shared (or embeded in the costume-con.org site.

Yes, the last 10 years are most relevant to budgeting and planning, but the ~25 years before is also useful for historical reasons. 😀

Can someone post the last 10 here? Or as many of them that are known? I didn’t search the entire archive of this group.

Sharon

 

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 4:01 PM, Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

It’s an interesting set of statistics, but would be better maintained in a spreadsheet. Do we have data for the last 10? I wouldn’t go further back than that.

-Betsy

 

 

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 3:45 PM, Sharon Sbarsky sbarsky@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I’d also be interested in attendance numbers. http://www.costume-con.org/gallery2/main.php has information for dates, locations, etc. but not attendance.

Can those numbers be posted here, or sent to me? Mostly interested for budgeting purposes, including room nights and function space sizes needed/used, F&B spent, etc.

Any budgets (especially with final numbers)  that can be shared would be useful as well.

Sharon

 

On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 5:43 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I could probably dig up figures for CC25, but they’re probably a little too out of date.  However, I can tell you that the region where you’re holding your Cc and whether there has been one there in the past will have a bearing on said numbers.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 9:03 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] Attendance and room counts

 

 

Hi everyone,

 

This is a question for the last 5 – 6 years of costume cons. I’m needing to give my supporting 501C3  reassurances of how viable a costume con is. So, would the people who have the info let me know what their attendance numbers were for their conventions and rooms sold and if possible what their room nights were for each night the week of the con?  I’m trying to prepare a report to give them.

 

I know the numbers for CC30. I’ve had some feed back from Kevin on hotel contracts and I think numbers. I know Dawn has told me some of what she has. But I’d still like a more complete picture.

 

So, what were the attendance numbers?

What were the total rooms sold? Can you break it down per night?

Did you break even or made a profit?  Or did you lose money?

 

I would appreciate any and all help.

 

 

 

 


Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

 

 


Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3005 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 3/23/2016
Subject: Re: Attendance and room counts

Why it’s useful to have a complete set of data. You can also get a feel for the costs associated and how much they’ve changed over time.

Cheers,
-b

 

 

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 4:48 PM, Sharon Sbarsky sbarsky@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Thank you, though most of those numbers would probably need to be heavily corrected for inflation. I’m also interested in more recent years.

Sharon

 

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 4:39 PM, Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

The numbers for CCXV are on costume-con.org under ConStitution (as a sample, but it’s the final numbers we had).

You’re welcome to crib from that if you want. 8)
Betsy

 

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 4:29 PM, Sharon Sbarsky sbarsky@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I started my post giving the long list of Worldcons and Smofcons as examples. Those are kept is pseudo spreadsheets as html table pages. I’ll be willing to setup a Google doc that can be shared (or embeded in the costume-con.org site.

Yes, the last 10 years are most relevant to budgeting and planning, but the ~25 years before is also useful for historical reasons. 😀

Can someone post the last 10 here? Or as many of them that are known? I didn’t search the entire archive of this group.

Sharon

 

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 4:01 PM, Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

It’s an interesting set of statistics, but would be better maintained in a spreadsheet. Do we have data for the last 10? I wouldn’t go further back than that.

-Betsy

 

 

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 3:45 PM, Sharon Sbarsky sbarsky@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I’d also be interested in attendance numbers. http://www.costume-con.org/gallery2/main.php has information for dates, locations, etc. but not attendance.

Can those numbers be posted here, or sent to me? Mostly interested for budgeting purposes, including room nights and function space sizes needed/used, F&B spent, etc.

Any budgets (especially with final numbers)  that can be shared would be useful as well.

Sharon

 

On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 5:43 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I could probably dig up figures for CC25, but they’re probably a little too out of date.  However, I can tell you that the region where you’re holding your Cc and whether there has been one there in the past will have a bearing on said numbers.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 9:03 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] Attendance and room counts

 

 

Hi everyone,

 

This is a question for the last 5 – 6 years of costume cons. I’m needing to give my supporting 501C3  reassurances of how viable a costume con is. So, would the people who have the info let me know what their attendance numbers were for their conventions and rooms sold and if possible what their room nights were for each night the week of the con?  I’m trying to prepare a report to give them.

 

I know the numbers for CC30. I’ve had some feed back from Kevin on hotel contracts and I think numbers. I know Dawn has told me some of what she has. But I’d still like a more complete picture.

 

So, what were the attendance numbers?

What were the total rooms sold? Can you break it down per night?

Did you break even or made a profit?  Or did you lose money?

 

I would appreciate any and all help.

 

 

 

 


Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

 

 

 


Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

 


Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3006 From: Kevin Roche Date: 3/23/2016
Subject: Re: Size of main event room

Our attendance was right around 900, just under CC8’s record. They were the two largest Costume-Cons until Costume-Con 32 in Toronto (2014).

Marketing to folk who had never been to CC but fit its demographic made a big difference to our numbers.

I’ll have to see if I can *find* our room night pickup.

On Wednesday, March 23, 2016, Sharon Sbarsky sbarsky@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Thanks Kevin!

What were your attendance and room nights?

Sharon

 

On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 8:24 PM, Kevin Roche kevin@twistedimage.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

My 3d models are still available in the Google Sketchup 3d world!

https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/collection.html?id=50f5306ccaab25a2fbf563775e4f7513

The Doubletree had two ballrooms with the same dimensions (but the lower floor had columns), so I modeled both for different uses.

Overall dimensions were approximately 71×142=10000 sq.ft. across four equal bays; we split one off for the green room and did a wide house design for the main stage, and used that all weekend. We used part of the lower ballroom for the fashion show, and part for the dealers room. All the models are in the collection.

https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model.html?id=3eae15a409ccc3f139ab9a829112caca

Kevin

Kevin

 

On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 3:31 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Ask Kevin how big their main room was – I’d guess his numbers would align with yours best.

Nora

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 12:52 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Size of main event room

If it helps, ours for this year is 9600, which is more than we anticipate actually needing.

On March 22, 2016, at 9:31 AM, “Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Not necessarily. Remember that a portion of your audience is actually likely to be on stage or backstage, so extra large space may not be as necessary as you think. Even with the larger cons, you want enough space for the stage and seating for those who aren’t competing, plus those who finished the competition but want to watch after they’re done with fan photo.

CCXV ran into trouble when we had over 100 bodies in competition at the SF masquerade, because the green room wasn’t large enough to handle everyone comfortably. I still regret making that error in judgment when estimating the spaces to use for supporting the masquerade.

How large is your stage expected to be? How much space will you need for lights? Tech? Judges?

How big have the last five CCs been at the SF masquerade and how many of those were onstage first?

Betsy

On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 10:10 AM, beckieboo817@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi, everyone,

This is for previous runners of Costume Cons….

What was the size of your main event room?  7,000?  8,000? 9,000?

I finally submitted my RFP to the local visitors and convention bureau and have this room being 10,000 square feet.  Of course, some of my favorite choices are coming back saying they can’t host because they don’t meet the requirements….I’m thinking I’m needing to drop this down a bit. One place with 9,600 sq ft could seat 1,000 theater style and that’s what we want, right?

Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

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Group: runacc Message: 3007 From: Sharon Sbarsky Date: 3/23/2016
Subject: Re: Size of main event room
Thank you! That will be useful.

Is dawn on this list? Does someone have the attendance numbers for Toronto?

Sharon

 

 

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 7:23 PM, Kevin Roche kevin@twistedimage.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Our attendance was right around 900, just under CC8’s record. They were the two largest Costume-Cons until Costume-Con 32 in Toronto (2014).

Marketing to folk who had never been to CC but fit its demographic made a big difference to our numbers.

I’ll have to see if I can *find* our room night pickup.

On Wednesday, March 23, 2016, Sharon Sbarsky sbarsky@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Thanks Kevin!

What were your attendance and room nights?

Sharon

 

On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 8:24 PM, Kevin Roche kevin@twistedimage.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

My 3d models are still available in the Google Sketchup 3d world!

https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/collection.html?id=50f5306ccaab25a2fbf563775e4f7513

The Doubletree had two ballrooms with the same dimensions (but the lower floor had columns), so I modeled both for different uses.

Overall dimensions were approximately 71×142=10000 sq.ft. across four equal bays; we split one off for the green room and did a wide house design for the main stage, and used that all weekend. We used part of the lower ballroom for the fashion show, and part for the dealers room. All the models are in the collection.

https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model.html?id=3eae15a409ccc3f139ab9a829112caca

Kevin

Kevin

 

On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 3:31 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Ask Kevin how big their main room was – I’d guess his numbers would align with yours best.

Nora

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 12:52 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Size of main event room

If it helps, ours for this year is 9600, which is more than we anticipate actually needing.

On March 22, 2016, at 9:31 AM, “Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Not necessarily. Remember that a portion of your audience is actually likely to be on stage or backstage, so extra large space may not be as necessary as you think. Even with the larger cons, you want enough space for the stage and seating for those who aren’t competing, plus those who finished the competition but want to watch after they’re done with fan photo.

CCXV ran into trouble when we had over 100 bodies in competition at the SF masquerade, because the green room wasn’t large enough to handle everyone comfortably. I still regret making that error in judgment when estimating the spaces to use for supporting the masquerade.

How large is your stage expected to be? How much space will you need for lights? Tech? Judges?

How big have the last five CCs been at the SF masquerade and how many of those were onstage first?

Betsy

On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 10:10 AM, beckieboo817@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi, everyone,

This is for previous runners of Costume Cons….

What was the size of your main event room?  7,000?  8,000? 9,000?

I finally submitted my RFP to the local visitors and convention bureau and have this room being 10,000 square feet.  Of course, some of my favorite choices are coming back saying they can’t host because they don’t meet the requirements….I’m thinking I’m needing to drop this down a bit. One place with 9,600 sq ft could seat 1,000 theater style and that’s what we want, right?

Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

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Group: runacc Message: 3008 From: spiritof_76 Date: 3/23/2016
Subject: Re: Attendance and room counts

Sharon,

If you’re working with Aurora, IIRC, I sent her all the information for
CC31.

Michael

On 2016-03-23 13:29, Sharon Sbarsky sbarsky@gmail.com [runacc] wrote:
> I started my post giving the long list of Worldcons and Smofcons as
> examples. Those are kept is pseudo spreadsheets as html table pages.
> I’ll be willing to setup a Google doc that can be shared (or embeded
> in the costume-con.org [2] site.
>
> Yes, the last 10 years are most relevant to budgeting and planning,
> but the ~25 years before is also useful for historical reasons. 😀
>
> Can someone post the last 10 here? Or as many of them that are known?
> I didn’t search the entire archive of this group.
>
> Sharon
>
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 4:01 PM, Betsy Marks Delaney
> aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> It’s an interesting set of statistics, but would be better
>> maintained in a spreadsheet. Do we have data for the last 10? I
>> wouldn’t go further back than that.
>>
>> -Betsy
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 3:45 PM, Sharon Sbarsky sbarsky@gmail.com
>> [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> I’d also be interested in attendance numbers.
>> http://www.costume-con.org/gallery2/main.php [1] has information for
>> dates, locations, etc. but not attendance.
>>
>> Can those numbers be posted here, or sent to me? Mostly interested
>> for budgeting purposes, including room nights and function space
>> sizes needed/used, F&B spent, etc.
>>
>> Any budgets (especially with final numbers)  that can be shared
>> would be useful as well.
>>
>> Sharon

 

Group: runacc Message: 3009 From: Sharon Sbarsky Date: 3/24/2016
Subject: Re: Attendance and room counts
Yes, I am. I’m just trying to fill in some holes. The information she sent me were in varying formats, etc.

Sharon

 

 

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 9:12 PM, bruno@soulmasque.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Sharon,

If you’re working with Aurora, IIRC, I sent her all the information for
CC31.

Michael

On 2016-03-23 13:29, Sharon Sbarsky sbarsky@gmail.com [runacc] wrote:
> I started my post giving the long list of Worldcons and Smofcons as
> examples. Those are kept is pseudo spreadsheets as html table pages.
> I’ll be willing to setup a Google doc that can be shared (or embeded

> in the costume-con.org [2] site.
>
> Yes, the last 10 years are most relevant to budgeting and planning,
> but the ~25 years before is also useful for historical reasons. 😀
>
> Can someone post the last 10 here? Or as many of them that are known?
> I didn’t search the entire archive of this group.
>
> Sharon
>
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 4:01 PM, Betsy Marks Delaney
> aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> It’s an interesting set of statistics, but would be better
>> maintained in a spreadsheet. Do we have data for the last 10? I
>> wouldn’t go further back than that.
>>
>> -Betsy
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 3:45 PM, Sharon Sbarsky sbarsky@gmail.com
>> [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> I’d also be interested in attendance numbers.

>> http://www.costume-con.org/gallery2/main.php [1] has information for
>> dates, locations, etc. but not attendance.
>>
>> Can those numbers be posted here, or sent to me? Mostly interested
>> for budgeting purposes, including room nights and function space
>> sizes needed/used, F&B spent, etc.
>>
>> Any budgets (especially with final numbers)  that can be shared
>> would be useful as well.
>>
>> Sharon

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3010 From: ECM Date: 3/26/2016
Subject: Re: Attendance and room counts

 

IMHO, WorldCons & SMOFCons, while interesting, bear little resemblance to CostumeCons – especially relating to size and budget.  CC30, for example, was considered to be a great size, and our attendance was 365!


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2016 16:29:50 -0400
Subject: Re: [runacc] Attendance and room counts

 

I started my post giving the long list of Worldcons and Smofcons as examples. Those are kept is pseudo spreadsheets as html table pages. I’ll be willing to setup a Google doc that can be shared (or embeded in the costume-con.org site.

Yes, the last 10 years are most relevant to budgeting and planning, but the ~25 years before is also useful for historical reasons. 😀

Can someone post the last 10 here? Or as many of them that are known? I didn’t search the entire archive of this group.

Sharon

 

 

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 4:01 PM, Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

It’s an interesting set of statistics, but would be better maintained in a spreadsheet. Do we have data for the last 10? I wouldn’t go further back than that.

-Betsy

 

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 3:45 PM, Sharon Sbarsky sbarsky@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I’d also be interested in attendance numbers. http://www.costume-con.org/gallery2/main.php has information for dates, locations, etc. but not attendance.

Can those numbers be posted here, or sent to me? Mostly interested for budgeting purposes, including room nights and function space sizes needed/used, F&B spent, etc.

Any budgets (especially with final numbers)  that can be shared would be useful as well.

Sharon

 

On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 5:43 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

I could probably dig up figures for CC25, but they’re probably a little too out of date.  However, I can tell you that the region where you’re holding your Cc and whether there has been one there in the past will have a bearing on said numbers.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 9:03 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] Attendance and room counts

 

 

Hi everyone,
 
This is a question for the last 5 – 6 years of costume cons. I’m needing to give my supporting 501C3  reassurances of how viable a costume con is. So, would the people who have the info let me know what their attendance numbers were for their conventions and rooms sold and if possible what their room nights were for each night the week of the con?  I’m trying to prepare a report to give them.
 
I know the numbers for CC30. I’ve had some feed back from Kevin on hotel contracts and I think numbers. I know Dawn has told me some of what she has. But I’d still like a more complete picture.
 
So, what were the attendance numbers?
What were the total rooms sold? Can you break it down per night?
Did you break even or made a profit?  Or did you lose money?
 
I would appreciate any and all help.

 

 

 

 

 


Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3011 From: Sharon Sbarsky Date: 3/26/2016
Subject: Re: Attendance and room counts
Sorry, I didn’t mean to imply that they are the same type of con. Just that by them all being “traveling” cons and voted on, that they have something in common. That is a desire for future bids to have a list of previous locations and sizes. And any other information that would be useful for future conventions.

What I’m discovering (so far) is that hotels that have the function space we desire, will also ask for higher room rates, function space rental, and F&B. Being able to make a better guesstimate on attendance, will make it easier to budget and therefore rule out facilities that we might not be able to afford.

Sharon

 

 

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 3:07 PM, ECM ecmami@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

IMHO, WorldCons & SMOFCons, while interesting, bear little resemblance to CostumeCons – especially relating to size and budget.  CC30, for example, was considered to be a great size, and our attendance was 365!


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2016 16:29:50 -0400
Subject: Re: [runacc] Attendance and room counts

 

 

I started my post giving the long list of Worldcons and Smofcons as examples. Those are kept is pseudo spreadsheets as html table pages. I’ll be willing to setup a Google doc that can be shared (or embeded in the costume-con.org site.

Yes, the last 10 years are most relevant to budgeting and planning, but the ~25 years before is also useful for historical reasons. 😀

Can someone post the last 10 here? Or as many of them that are known? I didn’t search the entire archive of this group.

Sharon

 

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 4:01 PM, Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

It’s an interesting set of statistics, but would be better maintained in a spreadsheet. Do we have data for the last 10? I wouldn’t go further back than that.

-Betsy

 

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 3:45 PM, Sharon Sbarsky sbarsky@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I’d also be interested in attendance numbers. http://www.costume-con.org/gallery2/main.php has information for dates, locations, etc. but not attendance.

Can those numbers be posted here, or sent to me? Mostly interested for budgeting purposes, including room nights and function space sizes needed/used, F&B spent, etc.

Any budgets (especially with final numbers)  that can be shared would be useful as well.

Sharon

 

On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 5:43 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

I could probably dig up figures for CC25, but they’re probably a little too out of date.  However, I can tell you that the region where you’re holding your Cc and whether there has been one there in the past will have a bearing on said numbers.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 9:03 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] Attendance and room counts

 

 

Hi everyone,
 
This is a question for the last 5 – 6 years of costume cons. I’m needing to give my supporting 501C3  reassurances of how viable a costume con is. So, would the people who have the info let me know what their attendance numbers were for their conventions and rooms sold and if possible what their room nights were for each night the week of the con?  I’m trying to prepare a report to give them.
 
I know the numbers for CC30. I’ve had some feed back from Kevin on hotel contracts and I think numbers. I know Dawn has told me some of what she has. But I’d still like a more complete picture.
 
So, what were the attendance numbers?
What were the total rooms sold? Can you break it down per night?
Did you break even or made a profit?  Or did you lose money?
 
I would appreciate any and all help.

 

 

 

 

 

 


Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3012 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 4/8/2016
Subject: CC Attendance
Can anyone who has the membership numbers from any CC since Utah (23) post them?  The only one I’ve been able to find (including on the CC archive) is Denver (500).

Thanks,

Aurora

 

Group: runacc Message: 3013 From: ECM Date: 4/9/2016
Subject: Re: CC Attendance

 

IIRC, (I’m old!)  CC 36 had 365…ish
Elaine


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 09:35:32 -0400
Subject: [runacc] CC Attendance

 

Can anyone who has the membership numbers from any CC since Utah (23) post them?  The only one I’ve been able to find (including on the CC archive) is Denver (500).

Thanks,

Aurora

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3014 From: costumrs Date: 4/9/2016
Subject: Re: CC Attendance

 

I think you mean CC 30, right?  😉
Sandy
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From: “ECM ecmami@hotmail.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 4/8/16 11:14 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: Betsy D <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [runacc] CC Attendance

 

IIRC, (I’m old!)  CC 36 had 365…ish
Elaine


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 09:35:32 -0400
Subject: [runacc] CC Attendance

 

Can anyone who has the membership numbers from any CC since Utah (23) post them?  The only one I’ve been able to find (including on the CC archive) is Denver (500).

Thanks,

Aurora

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3015 From: beckieboo817 Date: 4/9/2016
Subject: Re: CC Attendance

Aurora and Sharon,

I just sent you both an email because back in January I searched for this….but here is what I have…:
I have the numbers or at least information from Costume Con 30 (2012), Costume Con 31 (2013), Costume Con 32 (2014) and Costume Con 33 (2015).
 
Costume Con 30:
Attendees: 366
Room Nights:  394
Income: 24,413
Expense: 18,547
Room nights expected:

Thursday May 10th 30

Friday May 11th 80

Saturday May 12th 100

Sunday May 13th 100

Monday May 14th 30

Hotel Room Rate: $125
What was actually inhabited:
Mon = 1
Tues = 1
Wed = 10
Thu = 65
Fri = 95
Sat = 94
Sun = 93
Mon = 83
Tues = 40
Wed = 8
Thu = 2
(These guys documented things the best)
 
Costume Con 31:
Attendees: 479
Room Nights:  387
Income
Expense:
 
He couldn’t find the info to give me concrete info on Income and Expense but he did say that his profit was brighter than he had expected. He initially budgeted for around $24,000 but he surpassed that by some.
 
Costume Con 32:
Attendees: Approximately 1500
Room Nights:  551 plus room nights at 4 other satellite hotels
Income:
Expense:
The hard drive with her tables and so forth on it but this is what she has to say about her income and expense:
 
We did have a healthy budget line after expenses and repaying loans, (that people were not expecting back), forwarding grants
that we ultimately didn’t need, passing forward healthy amounts to CC 33, 34, and 35 ($1000.00 each), and returning the balance to pay taxes and to replenish the pool of one of our sponsoring organizations, (which will ultimately come back to us, or whomever might hold another Canadian Costume-Con and apply for a grant with them.)
 
Costume Con 33:
Attendees: 200+
Room Nights: committed to 365 but went to 400
Income:
Expense:
He thought he wouldn’t get the room nights so he threw his own money at the hotel. This is what he said:
My failure was to not be too confident in getting our room nights, so I put more of our hotel debt into food functions, so if we DIDN’T make the room nights we wouldn’t owe all that money too.  As it turned out we should have left the larger bloc of money (to be written off if we got our room nights) there, not in food functions.  But we did feed people – a lot – and the loss was mine alone, not the groups.
 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3016 From: Kevin Roche Date: 4/9/2016
Subject: Re: CC Attendance

I have 795 users in the CC26 online membership database, and there were some at the door that did not get transferred back into it.

Dave Gallaher is trying to track down the room nights pickup for y’all.
Kevin

As an aside, in the costume-con.org Visual Archive, if you click to the main gallery page for any Costume-Con, the membership is noted in the Custom Fields on that page if it was available to us when we did the data entry.
For instance:
http://costume-con.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=2934

Shows that the attendance for CC23 was 192+

On Saturday, April 9, 2016, beckieboo817@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Aurora and Sharon,

I just sent you both an email because back in January I searched for this….but here is what I have…:
I have the numbers or at least information from Costume Con 30 (2012), Costume Con 31 (2013), Costume Con 32 (2014) and Costume Con 33 (2015).
 
Costume Con 30:
Attendees: 366
Room Nights:  394
Income: 24,413
Expense: 18,547
Room nights expected:

Thursday May 10th 30

Friday May 11th 80

Saturday May 12th 100

Sunday May 13th 100

Monday May 14th 30

Hotel Room Rate: $125
What was actually inhabited:
Mon = 1
Tues = 1
Wed = 10
Thu = 65
Fri = 95
Sat = 94
Sun = 93
Mon = 83
Tues = 40
Wed = 8
Thu = 2
(These guys documented things the best)
 
Costume Con 31:
Attendees: 479
Room Nights:  387
Income
Expense:
 
He couldn’t find the info to give me concrete info on Income and Expense but he did say that his profit was brighter than he had expected. He initially budgeted for around $24,000 but he surpassed that by some.
 
Costume Con 32:
Attendees: Approximately 1500
Room Nights:  551 plus room nights at 4 other satellite hotels
Income:
Expense:
The hard drive with her tables and so forth on it but this is what she has to say about her income and expense:
 
We did have a healthy budget line after expenses and repaying loans, (that people were not expecting back), forwarding grants
that we ultimately didn’t need, passing forward healthy amounts to CC 33, 34, and 35 ($1000.00 each), and returning the balance to pay taxes and to replenish the pool of one of our sponsoring organizations, (which will ultimately come back to us, or whomever might hold another Canadian Costume-Con and apply for a grant with them.)
 
Costume Con 33:
Attendees: 200+
Room Nights: committed to 365 but went to 400
Income:
Expense:
He thought he wouldn’t get the room nights so he threw his own money at the hotel. This is what he said:
My failure was to not be too confident in getting our room nights, so I put more of our hotel debt into food functions, so if we DIDN’T make the room nights we wouldn’t owe all that money too.  As it turned out we should have left the larger bloc of money (to be written off if we got our room nights) there, not in food functions.  But we did feed people – a lot – and the loss was mine alone, not the groups.
 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3017 From: ECM Date: 4/9/2016
Subject: Re: CC Attendance

 

Right!  As you can see, I’m looking ahead to San Diego.
Elaine


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 07:44:52 -0500
Subject: RE: [runacc] CC Attendance

 

I think you mean CC 30, right?  Winking face
Sandy
Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
——– Original message ——–
From: “ECM ecmami@hotmail.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 4/8/16 11:14 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: Betsy D <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [runacc] CC Attendance

 

 

IIRC, (I’m old!)  CC 36 had 365…ish
Elaine


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 09:35:32 -0400
Subject: [runacc] CC Attendance

 

Can anyone who has the membership numbers from any CC since Utah (23) post them?  The only one I’ve been able to find (including on the CC archive) is Denver (500).

Thanks,

Aurora

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3018 From: dandyhank Date: 4/10/2016
Subject: CC attendance
All my exact numbers are on a CD ROM that is in a file box in storage. I do remember that CC28 only had about 275 people. I have no memory of how many CC21 had, but I know we were extremely luckily with the hotel bill. We are very certain they underbilled us.

Henry Osier

 

Group: runacc Message: 3019 From: spiritof_76 Date: 4/10/2016
Subject: Re: CC attendance

CC31 was also underbilled by the hotel. I blame many changes in their
staff and not keeping up with the details of a 3 year old contract. I
only pointed out specifics of the contract when it was to my advantage.

Michael

On 2016-04-10 09:25, osierhenry@cs.com [runacc] wrote:
> All my exact numbers are on a CD ROM that is in a file box in storage.
> I do remember that CC28 only had about 275 people. I have no memory of
> how many CC21 had, but I know we were extremely luckily with the hotel
> bill. We are very certain they underbilled us.
>
> Henry Osier
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 3020 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 4/10/2016
Subject: Re: CC Attendance
Thanks all.  I had noted the numbers in the CC gallery, but they didn’t have any since Utah.  I’ve put the info I’ve gotten so far into this Google spreadsheet to help keep track in the future.  Anyone can comment with more info to add.  Let me know if there are other useful fields I should add.

~Aurora

 

 

On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 1:39 PM, Kevin Roche kevin@twistedimage.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I have 795 users in the CC26 online membership database, and there were some at the door that did not get transferred back into it.

Dave Gallaher is trying to track down the room nights pickup for y’all.
Kevin

As an aside, in the costume-con.org Visual Archive, if you click to the main gallery page for any Costume-Con, the membership is noted in the Custom Fields on that page if it was available to us when we did the data entry.
For instance:
http://costume-con.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=2934

Shows that the attendance for CC23 was 192+

On Saturday, April 9, 2016, beckieboo817@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Aurora and Sharon,

I just sent you both an email because back in January I searched for this….but here is what I have…:
I have the numbers or at least information from Costume Con 30 (2012), Costume Con 31 (2013), Costume Con 32 (2014) and Costume Con 33 (2015).
 
Costume Con 30:
Attendees: 366
Room Nights:  394
Income: 24,413
Expense: 18,547
Room nights expected:

Thursday May 10th 30

Friday May 11th 80

Saturday May 12th 100

Sunday May 13th 100

Monday May 14th 30

Hotel Room Rate: $125
What was actually inhabited:
Mon = 1
Tues = 1
Wed = 10
Thu = 65
Fri = 95
Sat = 94
Sun = 93
Mon = 83
Tues = 40
Wed = 8
Thu = 2
(These guys documented things the best)
 
Costume Con 31:
Attendees: 479
Room Nights:  387
Income
Expense:
 
He couldn’t find the info to give me concrete info on Income and Expense but he did say that his profit was brighter than he had expected. He initially budgeted for around $24,000 but he surpassed that by some.
 
Costume Con 32:
Attendees: Approximately 1500
Room Nights:  551 plus room nights at 4 other satellite hotels
Income:
Expense:
The hard drive with her tables and so forth on it but this is what she has to say about her income and expense:
 
We did have a healthy budget line after expenses and repaying loans, (that people were not expecting back), forwarding grants
that we ultimately didn’t need, passing forward healthy amounts to CC 33, 34, and 35 ($1000.00 each), and returning the balance to pay taxes and to replenish the pool of one of our sponsoring organizations, (which will ultimately come back to us, or whomever might hold another Canadian Costume-Con and apply for a grant with them.)
 
Costume Con 33:
Attendees: 200+
Room Nights: committed to 365 but went to 400
Income:
Expense:
He thought he wouldn’t get the room nights so he threw his own money at the hotel. This is what he said:
My failure was to not be too confident in getting our room nights, so I put more of our hotel debt into food functions, so if we DIDN’T make the room nights we wouldn’t owe all that money too.  As it turned out we should have left the larger bloc of money (to be written off if we got our room nights) there, not in food functions.  But we did feed people – a lot – and the loss was mine alone, not the groups.
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3021 From: Sarah A Bloy Date: 4/10/2016
Subject: Re: CC Attendance

 

Actually, in the information can be tracked down, having numbers of preregistrations would be helpful.  There have been a number of times during this process that CC34 has wondered about prereg vs at the door memberships.

 

On April 10, 2016, at 3:56 PM, “Aurora Celeste auroraceleste@gmail.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

Thanks all.  I had noted the numbers in the CC gallery, but they didn’t have any since Utah.  I’ve put the info I’ve gotten so far into this Google spreadsheet to help keep track in the future.  Anyone can comment with more info to add.  Let me know if there are other useful fields I should add.

~Aurora

 

On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 1:39 PM, Kevin Roche kevin@twistedimage.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I have 795 users in the CC26 online membership database, and there were some at the door that did not get transferred back into it.

Dave Gallaher is trying to track down the room nights pickup for y’all.
Kevin

As an aside, in the costume-con.org Visual Archive, if you click to the main gallery page for any Costume-Con, the membership is noted in the Custom Fields on that page if it was available to us when we did the data entry.
For instance:
http://costume-con.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=2934

Shows that the attendance for CC23 was 192+

On Saturday, April 9, 2016, beckieboo817@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Aurora and Sharon,

I just sent you both an email because back in January I searched for this….but here is what I have…:
I have the numbers or at least information from Costume Con 30 (2012), Costume Con 31 (2013), Costume Con 32 (2014) and Costume Con 33 (2015).
 
Costume Con 30:
Attendees: 366
Room Nights:  394
Income: 24,413
Expense: 18,547
Room nights expected:

Thursday May 10th 30

Friday May 11th 80

Saturday May 12th 100

Sunday May 13th 100

Monday May 14th 30

Hotel Room Rate: $125
What was actually inhabited:
Mon = 1
Tues = 1
Wed = 10
Thu = 65
Fri = 95
Sat = 94
Sun = 93
Mon = 83
Tues = 40
Wed = 8
Thu = 2
(These guys documented things the best)
 
Costume Con 31:
Attendees: 479
Room Nights:  387
Income
Expense:
 
He couldn’t find the info to give me concrete info on Income and Expense but he did say that his profit was brighter than he had expected. He initially budgeted for around $24,000 but he surpassed that by some.
 
Costume Con 32:
Attendees: Approximately 1500
Room Nights:  551 plus room nights at 4 other satellite hotels
Income:
Expense:
The hard drive with her tables and so forth on it but this is what she has to say about her income and expense:
 
We did have a healthy budget line after expenses and repaying loans, (that people were not expecting back), forwarding grants
that we ultimately didn’t need, passing forward healthy amounts to CC 33, 34, and 35 ($1000.00 each), and returning the balance to pay taxes and to replenish the pool of one of our sponsoring organizations, (which will ultimately come back to us, or whomever might hold another Canadian Costume-Con and apply for a grant with them.)
 
Costume Con 33:
Attendees: 200+
Room Nights: committed to 365 but went to 400
Income:
Expense:
He thought he wouldn’t get the room nights so he threw his own money at the hotel. This is what he said:
My failure was to not be too confident in getting our room nights, so I put more of our hotel debt into food functions, so if we DIDN’T make the room nights we wouldn’t owe all that money too.  As it turned out we should have left the larger bloc of money (to be written off if we got our room nights) there, not in food functions.  But we did feed people – a lot – and the loss was mine alone, not the groups.
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3022 From: Kaijugal . Date: 4/11/2016
Subject: Re: Size of main event room

 


At CC32 our main ballroom was 7140sq ft,

The audience seating after the stage and equipment was in was 600.

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2016 07:10:05 -0700
Subject: [runacc] Size of main event room

 

Hi, everyone,

This is for previous runners of Costume Cons….
What was the size of your main event room?  7,000?  8,000? 9,000?
I finally submitted my RFP to the local visitors and convention bureau and have this room being 10,000 square feet.  Of course, some of my favorite choices are coming back saying they can’t host because they don’t meet the requirements….I’m thinking I’m needing to drop this down a bit. One place with 9,600 sq ft could seat 1,000 theater style and that’s what we want, right?

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3023 From: spiritof_76 Date: 4/11/2016
Subject: Re: CC Attendance

CC31 Registration numbers by year. The majority of years 1 & 2 are CC
regulars and ConCom and a few very eager locals. Most locals who had
never been to CC didn’t register until < 1 year out. Most locals are
not accustomed to registering for a convention more than a year out and
were unwilling to commit.

Membership numbers.

First year after voting (5/10 – 4/11): 78
Second year (5/11 – 4/11): 15
Third year (5/12 – 4/13): 265
At the Door (4/13 – 5/13): 121

Michael

On 2016-04-10 15:24, Sarah A Bloy berzerker.prime@gmail.com [runacc]
wrote:

> Actually, in the information can be tracked down, having numbers of
> preregistrations would be helpful. There have been a number of times
> during this process that CC34 has wondered about prereg vs at the door
> memberships.
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 3024 From: Kaijugal . Date: 4/12/2016
Subject: Re: Size of main event room

 

Sharon wrote:
Thank you! That will be useful.

Is dawn on this list? Does someone have the attendance numbers for Toronto?

Sharon

 

________________________________________________________

Hi Sharon, Sorry I’m kind of late to the party on this subject.

What beckieboo817 meant to say, (quoted at the bottom), is that the hard drive that tracked At-the-door reg list by type got nuked in a fatal HD crash. Total attendance was based on pre-reg + reciepts/electronic payments/physical treasury at-the-door cash intake report and best guess based on number and type of badges we used minus destroyed badges.

I’m sad that we don’t have a proper breakout of everything including the “masquerade viewing only” numbers as I think they would have proved quite interesting to future Costume-Cons.
Our Weekend Pre-reg was 834 not including Dealers (96 badges) , artist badges, club badges, operational personnel, 1-day, and promotional/free memberships.
We were underprepared  for our at-the-door attendance onslaught which after going thru the initial 1200 badges, plus the cases of day badges & overflow badges already on site, we had to bring extra cases of blank 400 badges from the Anime North locker. I’ll admit that at one point we were using solvent to remove names from our staff badges to give to walk-in attendees while the new cases were being fetched.

All conventional wisdom from former chairs had lead us to believe that at-the-door would be much lower than pre-reg, (not!) Emoji

That said,
a) we promoted the shite out of CC and locally there is so much to do in Toronto on any given weekend everyone seems to decide between events last minute., (e.g FilkOntario and The Creative Sewing Festival were happening close by on the same weekend).
b) Toronto is weird.
c) Toronto has an immensely strong and diverse costuming and fashion community, and might not represent your local demographic.
d) Toronto is weird.
If you have any specific questions please feel free to write me. 🙂
beckieboo817@yahoo.com Wrote:

 

“Costume Con 32:
Attendees: Approximately 1500
Room Nights:  551 plus room nights at 4 other satellite hotels
Income:
Expense:
The hard drive with her tables and so forth on it but this is what she has to say about her income and expense:
 
We did have a healthy budget line after expenses and repaying loans, (that people were not expecting back), forwarding grants
that we ultimately didn’t need, passing forward healthy amounts to CC 33, 34, and 35 ($1000.00 each), and returning the balance to pay taxes and to replenish the pool of one of our sponsoring organizations, (which will ultimately come back to us, or whomever might hold another Canadian Costume-Con and apply for a grant with them.)

 

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3025 From: beckieboo817 Date: 4/13/2016
Subject: Hotel room rates and why

So, talked to a woman about a hotel for 2018. She told me that their asking $189 and upwards per night for cons. She says they’re asking $169 this year. Most of the bids that I got back from the hotels were $179 and up.  Of course, this one hotel wanted $279.  They’re on Mission Bay.

Also, why is it we go Thursday night through Monday? Could we make it Wednesday night through Sunday? She also “complained” about that saying they usually get blocks that way;…..

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3026 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 4/13/2016
Subject: Re: Hotel room rates and why

The answer is that traditionally (for certain levels of “traditionally”) CCs were held on four-day weekends and the Historical was generally Sunday night. Packing out Sunday means the masquerades are moved to different days, which throws the traditional structure out of whack.

The general format (subject to change over time) has been:
  • Friday morning ICG meeting
  • Friday Night Social
  • Saturday SF/F Masquerade
  • Sunday Afternoon Single Pattern/Future Fashion Show
  • Sunday Historical Masquerade
  • Monday pack-out/dead dog/Mouse-kerade
Packing all those competitions into a weekend that starts on Thursday night seldom works for folks, regardless of tradition.
Your mileage may vary, but that’s generally what’s specified in the ConStitution.
-b

 

 

On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 9:41 PM, beckieboo817@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

So, talked to a woman about a hotel for 2018. She told me that their asking $189 and upwards per night for cons. She says they’re asking $169 this year. Most of the bids that I got back from the hotels were $179 and up.  Of course, this one hotel wanted $279.  They’re on Mission Bay.

Also, why is it we go Thursday night through Monday? Could we make it Wednesday night through Sunday? She also “complained” about that saying they usually get blocks that way;…..

 

 

 


Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3027 From: Sarah A Bloy Date: 4/15/2016
Subject: Re: Hotel room rates and why

 

Actually, Single Pattern is usually done during the Friday Night Social.

 

On April 13, 2016, at 10:27 PM, “Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

The answer is that traditionally (for certain levels of “traditionally”) CCs were held on four-day weekends and the Historical was generally Sunday night. Packing out Sunday means the masquerades are moved to different days, which throws the traditional structure out of whack.

The general format (subject to change over time) has been:
  • Friday morning ICG meeting
  • Friday Night Social
  • Saturday SF/F Masquerade
  • Sunday Afternoon Single Pattern/Future Fashion Show
  • Sunday Historical Masquerade
  • Monday pack-out/dead dog/Mouse-kerade
Packing all those competitions into a weekend that starts on Thursday night seldom works for folks, regardless of tradition.
Your mileage may vary, but that’s generally what’s specified in the ConStitution.
-b

 

On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 9:41 PM, beckieboo817@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

So, talked to a woman about a hotel for 2018. She told me that their asking $189 and upwards per night for cons. She says they’re asking $169 this year. Most of the bids that I got back from the hotels were $179 and up.  Of course, this one hotel wanted $279.  They’re on Mission Bay.

Also, why is it we go Thursday night through Monday? Could we make it Wednesday night through Sunday? She also “complained” about that saying they usually get blocks that way;…..

 

 

 


Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3028 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 4/15/2016
Subject: Re: Hotel room rates and why
That’s a recent thing, and has also been done successfully at other times.  I think there would be a lot less pushback to moving the single pattern than to moving the SFF, Folio, Historical, or social.

~Aurora

 

 

On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 10:04 AM, Sarah A Bloy berzerker.prime@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Actually, Single Pattern is usually done during the Friday Night Social.

On April 13, 2016, at 10:27 PM, “Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

The answer is that traditionally (for certain levels of “traditionally”) CCs were held on four-day weekends and the Historical was generally Sunday night. Packing out Sunday means the masquerades are moved to different days, which throws the traditional structure out of whack.

The general format (subject to change over time) has been:
  • Friday morning ICG meeting
  • Friday Night Social
  • Saturday SF/F Masquerade
  • Sunday Afternoon Single Pattern/Future Fashion Show
  • Sunday Historical Masquerade
  • Monday pack-out/dead dog/Mouse-kerade
Packing all those competitions into a weekend that starts on Thursday night seldom works for folks, regardless of tradition.
Your mileage may vary, but that’s generally what’s specified in the ConStitution.
-b

 

On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 9:41 PM, beckieboo817@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

So, talked to a woman about a hotel for 2018. She told me that their asking $189 and upwards per night for cons. She says they’re asking $169 this year. Most of the bids that I got back from the hotels were $179 and up.  Of course, this one hotel wanted $279.  They’re on Mission Bay.

Also, why is it we go Thursday night through Monday? Could we make it Wednesday night through Sunday? She also “complained” about that saying they usually get blocks that way;…..

 

 

 


Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3029 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 4/15/2016
Subject: Re: Hotel room rates and why

The single pattern on a friday was only done since CC-27, and I’m not sure it has been done every time since then., so, less than 20% of cc’s have done that.
tho I do recomend it, just from the point that it doesn’t make people choose between it and the fashion show, for the two more mild competitions at the con, which is why I put it on friday to begin with.

but there’s no constitutional claim on when it is. or, at least there wasn’t back when I lived in the same house as the constitution lol

Ricky

Gravely MacCabre http://www.castleblood.com http://facebook.com/gravelymaccabre http://www.etsy.com/shop/gravelymaccabre tv show clip samples at http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood

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On Fri, 4/15/16, Sarah A Bloy berzerker.prime@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [runacc] Hotel room rates and why
To: “runacc@yahoogroups.com” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, April 15, 2016, 10:04 AM

Actually, Single Pattern is usually done during
the Friday Night Social.

On April 13, 2016, at
10:27 PM, “Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com
[runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

The answer is that traditionally
(for certain levels of “traditionally”) CCs were
held on four-day weekends and the Historical was generally
Sunday night. Packing out Sunday means the masquerades are
moved to different days, which throws the traditional
structure out of whack.
The general format (subject to
change over time) has been:
Friday morning ICG
meeting
Friday Night Social
Saturday SF/F Masquerade
Sunday Afternoon Single Pattern/Future
Fashion Show
Sunday Historical
Masquerade
Monday pack-out/dead
dog/Mouse-kerade

Packing all those competitions into
a weekend that starts on Thursday night seldom works for
folks, regardless of tradition.
Your mileage may vary, but
that’s generally what’s specified in the
ConStitution.
-b

On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at
9:41 PM, beckieboo817@yahoo.com
[runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:

So, talked to a woman about a hotel for 2018. She told me
that their asking $189 and upwards per night for cons. She
says they’re asking $169 this year. Most of the bids
that I got back from the hotels were $179 and up.  Of
course, this one hotel wanted $279.  They’re on Mission
Bay.
Also, why is it we go
Thursday night through Monday? Could we make it Wednesday
night through Sunday? She also “complained” about
that saying they usually get blocks that way;…..


Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

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Group: runacc Message: 3030 From: Kaijugal . Date: 4/16/2016
Subject: Single pattern on a Friday (Was: Hotel room rates and why)

 


I prefer the Single Pattern on Friday, (which is why we did it at CC32), it’s nice to not have to choose between participating

in the Fashion Folio and the Single Pattern and enables us to support both shows.

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 14:21:36 +0000
Subject: Re: [runacc] Hotel room rates and why

 

The single pattern on a friday was only done since CC-27, and I’m not sure it has been done every time since then., so, less than 20% of cc’s have done that.
tho I do recomend it, just from the point that it doesn’t make people choose between it and the fashion show, for the two more mild competitions at the con, which is why I put it on friday to begin with.

but there’s no constitutional claim on when it is. or, at least there wasn’t back when I lived in the same house as the constitution lol

Ricky

Gravely MacCabre http://www.castleblood.com http://facebook.com/gravelymaccabre http://www.etsy.com/shop/gravelymaccabre tv show clip samples at http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood

——————————————–

On Fri, 4/15/16, Sarah A Bloy berzerker.prime@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [runacc] Hotel room rates and why
To: “runacc@yahoogroups.com” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, April 15, 2016, 10:04 AM

Actually, Single Pattern is usually done during
the Friday Night Social.

On April 13, 2016, at
10:27 PM, “Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com
[runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

The answer is that traditionally
(for certain levels of “traditionally”) CCs were
held on four-day weekends and the Historical was generally
Sunday night. Packing out Sunday means the masquerades are
moved to different days, which throws the traditional
structure out of whack.
The general format (subject to
change over time) has been:
Friday morning ICG
meeting
Friday Night Social
Saturday SF/F Masquerade
Sunday Afternoon Single Pattern/Future
Fashion Show
Sunday Historical
Masquerade
Monday pack-out/dead
dog/Mouse-kerade

Packing all those competitions into
a weekend that starts on Thursday night seldom works for
folks, regardless of tradition.
Your mileage may vary, but
that’s generally what’s specified in the
ConStitution.
-b

On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at
9:41 PM, beckieboo817@yahoo.com
[runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:

So, talked to a woman about a hotel for 2018. She told me
that their asking $189 and upwards per night for cons. She
says they’re asking $169 this year. Most of the bids
that I got back from the hotels were $179 and up.  Of
course, this one hotel wanted $279.  They’re on Mission
Bay.
Also, why is it we go
Thursday night through Monday? Could we make it Wednesday
night through Sunday? She also “complained” about
that saying they usually get blocks that way;…..


Betsy Marks Delaney

Welcome

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Group: runacc Message: 3031 From: costumrs Date: 4/17/2016
Subject: Re: Single pattern on a Friday (Was: Hotel room rates and why)

 

We are also strong supporters of a Friday night s8ngle pattern. The only trick us not totally disrupting the social.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone

——– Original message ——–
From: “‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 04/16/2016 10:37 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] Single pattern on a Friday (Was: Hotel room rates and why)

I prefer the Single Pattern on Friday, (which is why we did it at CC32), it’s nice to not have to choose between participatingin the Fashion Folio and the Single Pattern and enables us to support both shows.

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime NorthAnime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!www.animenorth.com

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 14:21:36 +0000
Subject: Re: [runacc] Hotel room rates and why

The single pattern on a friday was only done since CC-27, and I’m not sure it has been done every time since then., so, less than 20% of cc’s have done that.

tho I do recomend it, just from the point that it doesn’t make people choose between it and the fashion show, for the two more mild competitions at the con, which is why I put it on friday to begin with.

but there’s no constitutional claim on when it is. or, at least there wasn’t back when I lived in the same house as the constitution lol

Ricky

Gravely MacCabre http://www.castleblood.com http://facebook.com/gravelymaccabre http://www.etsy.com/shop/gravelymaccabre tv show clip samples at http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood

——————————————–

On Fri, 4/15/16, Sarah A Bloy berzerker.prime@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [runacc] Hotel room rates and why

To: “runacc@yahoogroups.com” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>

Date: Friday, April 15, 2016, 10:04 AM

Actually, Single Pattern is usually done during

the Friday Night Social.

On April 13, 2016, at

10:27 PM, “Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com

[runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

The answer is that traditionally

(for certain levels of “traditionally”) CCs were

held on four-day weekends and the Historical was generally

Sunday night. Packing out Sunday means the masquerades are

moved to different days, which throws the traditional

structure out of whack.

The general format (subject to

change over time) has been:

Friday morning ICG

meeting

Friday Night Social

Saturday SF/F Masquerade

Sunday Afternoon Single Pattern/Future

Fashion Show

Sunday Historical

Masquerade

Monday pack-out/dead

dog/Mouse-kerade

Packing all those competitions into

a weekend that starts on Thursday night seldom works for

folks, regardless of tradition.

Your mileage may vary, but

that’s generally what’s specified in the

ConStitution.

-b

On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at

9:41 PM, beckieboo817@yahoo.com

[runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>

wrote:

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3032 From: Byron Connell Date: 4/17/2016
Subject: Re: Single pattern on a Friday (Was: Hotel room rates and why)

 

Haven’t we gotten somewhat off track of the question? I thought the inquiry was about a CC running Thursday through Sunday, to better accommodate hotel schedules, rather than Friday through Monday.

 

Byron

 

 

On Apr 17, 2016, at 8:21 PM, costumrs costumrs@radiks.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

We are also strong supporters of a Friday night s8ngle pattern. The only trick us not totally disrupting the social.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone



——– Original message ——–
From: “‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> 
Date: 04/16/2016 10:37 PM (GMT-06:00) 
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [runacc] Single pattern on a Friday (Was: Hotel room rates and why) 

I prefer the Single Pattern on Friday, (which is why we did it at CC32), it’s nice to not have to choose between participatingin the Fashion Folio and the Single Pattern and enables us to support both shows.

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime NorthAnime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!www.animenorth.com  

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 14:21:36 +0000
Subject: Re: [runacc] Hotel room rates and why




















  


    
      
      
      The single pattern on a friday was only done since CC-27, and I’m not sure it has been done every time since then., so, less than 20% of cc’s have done that. 

tho I do recomend it, just from the point that it doesn’t make people choose between it and the fashion show, for the two more mild competitions at the con, which is why I put it on friday to begin with.



but there’s no constitutional claim on when it is. or, at least there wasn’t back when I lived in the same house as the constitution lol



Ricky



Gravely MacCabre http://www.castleblood.com http://facebook.com/gravelymaccabre http://www.etsy.com/shop/gravelymaccabre tv show clip samples at http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood



——————————————–

On Fri, 4/15/16, Sarah A Bloy berzerker.prime@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



Subject: Re: [runacc] Hotel room rates and why

To: “runacc@yahoogroups.com” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>

Date: Friday, April 15, 2016, 10:04 AM





  







   





     

       

       

       Actually, Single Pattern is usually done during

the Friday Night Social.





On April 13, 2016, at

10:27 PM, “Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com

[runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:





























  



  







     

       

       

       The answer is that traditionally

(for certain levels of “traditionally”) CCs were

held on four-day weekends and the Historical was generally

Sunday night. Packing out Sunday means the masquerades are

moved to different days, which throws the traditional

structure out of whack. 

The general format (subject to

change over time) has been:

Friday morning ICG

meeting

Friday Night Social

Saturday SF/F Masquerade

Sunday Afternoon Single Pattern/Future

Fashion Show

Sunday Historical

Masquerade

Monday pack-out/dead

dog/Mouse-kerade



Packing all those competitions into

a weekend that starts on Thursday night seldom works for

folks, regardless of tradition.

Your mileage may vary, but

that’s generally what’s specified in the

ConStitution.

-b



On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at

9:41 PM, beckieboo817@yahoo.com

[runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>

wrote:















         





























 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3033 From: grizzy1955 Date: 4/18/2016
Subject: Re: Hotel room rates and why
Traditionally, the con runs Fri-Mon. Originally, this was to take advantage of 3-day holiday weekends (typically Martin Luther King Day or Memorial Day), but the con has since shifted largely to non-holiday weekends, so attendees have to take 2 (or more) days off to attend the con.

I can see where you might try to skew the con dates Thur-Sun to get a better rate, but it may cost you some room nights for people (mostly locals) who can’t get time off). I know the San Diego market is an expensive one when it comes to hotel rates, because it’s a tourist town and the weather is good year-round. Hotels don’t need convention business to fill rooms, so they can charge what they please. This was an issue for the two I ran in the 1980’s, and it’s probably more of an issue now.

I would assume if the con ran Thur-Sun vs. Fri-Mon, you would shift all the events back 24 hours from their usual days. So the Social would be Thur, the F&S/F would be Fri, and the Fashion Show/Historical Masq. would be Sat. Then a half day of programming and pack-out on Sunday.

The Single-Pattern is NOT a mandatory competition, but people really like it. Drafting a pattern can be difficult, so the competition removes that factor and lets people get creative with fabric choice, embellishment, and design changes. If possible, I would prefer that the Single Pattern competition not be held the same day as the Fashion Show, as it inevitably leads to less entries in the Fashion Show. The Single Pattern seems to work well in combination with the Social, because attendees who participate in the Single Pattern competition then don’t have to dither about what they’re going to wear to the Social, which is a win-win.

–Karen

 

Group: runacc Message: 3034 From: grizzy1955 Date: 4/19/2016
Subject: Need a representative from CC38 in Montreal proto-bid to contact me

Don’t know if anyone from the Montreal proto-bid for CC38 in 2020 is in this group, but I suspect someone from this group will know how to get word to them.

I need someone from the Montreal proto-bid to contact me with basic information about their bid, and committee, so I can update the Costume-Con.org web site. Please use email address janusaries55@gmail.com for me, as it is checked daily, vs. infrequently.

I believe they contacted me before through IM on FaceBook, which is notorious for being poorly scrollable, and unsearchable.

Thanks,

–Karen
CC Founder

 

Group: runacc Message: 3035 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 4/19/2016
Subject: Yahoo Fail?

Hi, guys!

I’m here to open up a totally different conversation, just as some of you are getting ready to get together at the next CC (where I won’t be because of work and college).
So, if y’all wouldn’t mind, let’s have a “What If” discussion about what happens WHEN Yahoo finally fails and kills all the groups because they’re making NO money on our continued existence.
If you had to choose a different venue for storing all the stuff we’ve put up here in the last…decade? two?…what three places are you most likely to prefer?
FB is an option, but a poor one IMNSHO, because of existing vagaries.
Google might be an option, if they don’t ditch the model.
A Wiki might be a thing, on the CC website. There’s a chance I’ll help Karen and take the time after I finish my second degree (three weeks from now) to migrate the site to a new system, for easier maintenance and to give it the updated look and feel the site really needs.
My main concern is to start the conversation now, because there’s no telling when this service will discontinue. I can only guess that it’s When, not If.
So, have at it.
Betsy

 

Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

Group: runacc Message: 3036 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 4/19/2016
Subject: Re: Need a representative from CC38 in Montreal proto-bid to contact

Connected off list.

On Tuesday, April 19, 2016, janusaries55@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Don’t know if anyone from the Montreal proto-bid for CC38 in 2020 is in this group, but I suspect someone from this group will know how to get word to them.

I need someone from the Montreal proto-bid to contact me with basic information about their bid, and committee, so I can update the Costume-Con.org web site. Please use email address janusaries55@gmail.com for me, as it is checked daily, vs. infrequently.

I believe they contacted me before through IM on FaceBook, which is notorious for being poorly scrollable, and unsearchable.

Thanks,

–Karen
CC Founder

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3037 From: staceylee25 Date: 4/20/2016
Subject: Re: Yahoo Fail?
FORUMS.

It’s an excellent topic, Betsy, and I’m glad you’re bringing it up before it becomes an issue (and will be for the D list and BOD too).

Information can be wiki-archived, yes, and wikia seems to be an easy enough platform to migrate info to and keep updated, since most fandoms have their wiki pages on wikia. But for continued discussion, I would suggest a forum.

Forums can be as public or private as the group needs, and I believe even wikis can have their own forums attached so hosting might not be an issue. It allows for topical discussion and creation of new topics all the time, and easy searching for a discussion that might have ended. The only “issue” as I can see it is that people can be lazy and not physically click the link in their bookmarks to go to the site and log in to view and respond on the forums, but I think it telling that mailing lists have long since fallen out of fashion and use while forums are still widely used.

Everyone interested in the topic of running Costume-Cons would simply have to bookmark a new site and dedicate themselves to checking it once in a while. Hell, most forums have options to email you when someone has responded to your comment, so you wouldn’t miss it. Which reminds me that while livejournal has fallen out of use because of its complete lack of functionality, there is also Dreamwidth, which is formatted the way livejournal used to be pre-2007 and works extremely well, though it would be a little more cumbersome to form a community there, because everyone who wanted to post and respond would need to make (free) journal accounts for it.

The one thing no group can do is simply rely on social media platforms that either are likewise falling out of use or are mechanically inconducive to discussion. For example, I would never attempt to hold a discussion on tumblr, its mechanics don’t allow for anything but one person’s opinion being reblogged a thousand times.

Stace

 

Group: runacc Message: 3038 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 4/24/2016
Subject: Re: Yahoo Fail?

 

 

Forums might be the way to go, especially if you have one that at least sends you an email when someone has commented on a particular topic.

 

As a side note, I believe I’ve heard that there are many suitors for buying Yahoo, but of course, that does not guarantee they’ll keep the groups going.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 11:31 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] Re: Yahoo Fail?

FORUMS.

It’s an excellent topic, Betsy, and I’m glad you’re bringing it up before it becomes an issue (and will be for the D list and BOD too).

Information can be wiki-archived, yes, and wikia seems to be an easy enough platform to migrate info to and keep updated, since most fandoms have their wiki pages on wikia. But for continued discussion, I would suggest a forum.

Forums can be as public or private as the group needs, and I believe even wikis can have their own forums attached so hosting might not be an issue. It allows for topical discussion and creation of new topics all the time, and easy searching for a discussion that might have ended. The only “issue” as I can see it is that people can be lazy and not physically click the link in their bookmarks to go to the site and log in to view and respond on the forums, but I think it telling that mailing lists have long since fallen out of fashion and use while forums are still widely used.

Everyone interested in the topic of running Costume-Cons would simply have to bookmark a new site and dedicate themselves to checking it once in a while. Hell, most forums have options to email you when someone has responded to your comment, so you wouldn’t miss it. Which reminds me that while livejournal has fallen out of use because of its complete lack of functionality, there is also Dreamwidth, which is formatted the way livejournal used to be pre-2007 and works extremely well, though it would be a little more cumbersome to form a community there, because everyone who wanted to post and respond would need to make (free) journal accounts for it.

The one thing no group can do is simply rely on social media platforms that either are likewise falling out of use or are mechanically inconducive to discussion. For example, I would never attempt to hold a discussion on tumblr, its mechanics don’t allow for anything but one person’s opinion being reblogged a thousand times.

Stace

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3039 From: beckieboo817 Date: 5/2/2016
Subject: Ballot

I was just informed although I asked 6 weeks ago that I need to create the ballot.  When I looked on Costume-Con.org, it says that it’s a write in vote.  So, do I make it with just blank lines because I did find the ballot template on the website?

Or is there a confirmed bid?

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3040 From: Sharon Sbarsky Date: 5/2/2016
Subject: Re: Ballot
We’re a Write-In bid. Still finalizing which hotel (in which state!) and weekend. It may come down to which one drops their F&B minimum by $5K.

So I think the ballot is just a blank for room to write “New England”.

Does anyone have a sample initial flyer? We may need to have three versions, one for each hotel & date, and one more generic. It’ll be useful to see what others have done before.

Thanks!

Sharon

 

 

On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 3:04 PM, beckieboo817@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I was just informed although I asked 6 weeks ago that I need to create the ballot.  When I looked on Costume-Con.org, it says that it’s a write in vote.  So, do I make it with just blank lines because I did find the ballot template on the website?

Or is there a confirmed bid?

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3041 From: beckieboo817 Date: 5/2/2016
Subject: Re: Ballot

I want to apologize to CC34 because I think my first email came over snarky…..I’m truly sorry.

Sarah has gotten me numbers. Sharon has written to me so it’s basically a write-in bid to be somewhere in New England.  Do we have a place that I could put in?  Boston???? or are you trying several places.
Again, I’m sorry if my email came over snarky.
Sincerely,
Rebecca Rowan
Chair
Costume-Con 36
Ports o call in San Diego, CA

 

Group: runacc Message: 3042 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 5/2/2016
Subject: Re: Ballot
Bid is for “New England”.

 

 

On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 7:09 PM, beckieboo817@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I want to apologize to CC34 because I think my first email came over snarky…..I’m truly sorry.

Sarah has gotten me numbers. Sharon has written to me so it’s basically a write-in bid to be somewhere in New England.  Do we have a place that I could put in?  Boston???? or are you trying several places.
Again, I’m sorry if my email came over snarky.
Sincerely,
Rebecca Rowan
Chair
Costume-Con 36
Ports o call in San Diego, CA

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3043 From: Sharon Sbarsky Date: 5/2/2016
Subject: Re: Ballot
It’s currently between Warwick, RI and Danvers, MA. So simply “New England” is best. 😉

Sharon

 

 

On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 7:09 PM, beckieboo817@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I want to apologize to CC34 because I think my first email came over snarky…..I’m truly sorry.

Sarah has gotten me numbers. Sharon has written to me so it’s basically a write-in bid to be somewhere in New England.  Do we have a place that I could put in?  Boston???? or are you trying several places.
Again, I’m sorry if my email came over snarky.
Sincerely,
Rebecca Rowan
Chair
Costume-Con 36
Ports o call in San Diego, CA

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3044 From: Rick Kovalcik Date: 5/2/2016
Subject: Re: Ballot
To elaborate a little more, we contacted a number of hotels and got proposals from five.  Four of those were good and we are currently in negotiation with the top two in order to put on the best Costume-Con possible.   We expect the final proposals this week and hope to have things narrowed down to one hotel by the weekend, but I can’t promise that at this point.

 

 

On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Sharon Sbarsky sbarsky@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

It’s currently between Warwick, RI and Danvers, MA. So simply “New England” is best. 😉

Sharon

 

 

On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 7:09 PM, beckieboo817@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I want to apologize to CC34 because I think my first email came over snarky…..I’m truly sorry.

Sarah has gotten me numbers. Sharon has written to me so it’s basically a write-in bid to be somewhere in New England.  Do we have a place that I could put in?  Boston???? or are you trying several places.
Again, I’m sorry if my email came over snarky.
Sincerely,
Rebecca Rowan
Chair
Costume-Con 36
Ports o call in San Diego, CA

 

 

 

 


-RKOV
Rick Kovalcik
+1-508-259-6819 (worldwide cell phone)

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3045 From: Rick Kovalcik Date: 5/7/2016
Subject: Re: Ballot

To further elaborate and clarify, our bid is for

March 22-25,
2019

DoubleTree
Boston North Shore

$129
Hotel Rate (single to quad, plus tax) including 

Free WiFi (including function space),

Free Parking,

and Free Cookies!

 

Assuming we win, it will be sponsored by MCFI, a 501(c)(3) tax-exempt non-profit corporation,
www.mcfi.org.  I am the President of MCFI. Aurora Celeste and Sharon Sbarsky will Co-Chair CC37.  Tim S
zczesuil will be the Treasurer.

 

If you have any questions, please let us know.  Unfortunately I could not be at CC34 due to a long standing Mother’s Day commitment. Aurora and Sharon are at CC34 representing the bid.

 

 

 

On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 10:47 PM, Rick Kovalcik <kovalcik@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

To elaborate a little more, we contacted a number of hotels and got proposals from five.  Four of those were good and we are currently in negotiation with the top two in order to put on the best Costume-Con possible.   We expect the final proposals this week and hope to have things narrowed down to one hotel by the weekend, but I can’t promise that at this point.

 

On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Sharon Sbarsky sbarsky@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

It’s currently between Warwick, RI and Danvers, MA. So simply “New England” is best. 😉

Sharon

 

 

On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 7:09 PM, beckieboo817@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I want to apologize to CC34 because I think my first email came over snarky…..I’m truly sorry.

Sarah has gotten me numbers. Sharon has written to me so it’s basically a write-in bid to be somewhere in New England.  Do we have a place that I could put in?  Boston???? or are you trying several places.
Again, I’m sorry if my email came over snarky.
Sincerely,
Rebecca Rowan
Chair
Costume-Con 36
Ports o call in San Diego, CA

 

 

 

 



-RKOV
Rick Kovalcik
+1-508-259-6819 (worldwide cell phone)

 


-RKOV
Rick Kovalcik
+1-508-259-6819 (worldwide cell phone)

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3046 From: casamai Date: 5/30/2016
Subject: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Pre-convention

 

 

 

So – it’s time
once again for the much anticipated SLCG review of Costume-Con.    For
anyone who hasn’t seen one yet, we started doing these years ago to pass the
time while driving back from the con.   Over the years, it became a way to give feedback
to future concoms, with the hope they might avoid some of the usual pitfalls
that seem to happen when organizing and running a Costume-Con.   

 

 

 

A caveat:
these are merely opinions expressed by our members.  They are not the only opinions, but
they usually represent a good cross-section of experiences.   So of course, it’s all subjective.   But we like to think we are giving useful, constructive
criticisms.  

 

 

 

 

 

So – stuff
that happened before the con.

 

 

The CC34
committee is to be commended for recognizing the importance of communications.   They
get high marks for prompt replies to questions and resolved any issues with the
hotel, updates to the con website, etc. quickly.    We
hope that future concoms will follow their example.

 

 

 

 

 

Their promotion
efforts were exemplary as well.   They made
good use of social media, with 2 different Facebook pages – one for official
announcements and one for attendees to talk about their plans, ask Staff questions,
etc.  There was also the YouTube channel.  That’s a first – very forward-looking.   It should be noted that Social Media is
supplanting forums – Cosplay.com used to be pretty important for reaching out
to the younger demographic, but no longer.
(Don’t leave out those who are still subscribed to the ICG-D Yahoo Group.)   They also did a lot of travelling to regional cons – mostly anime – to
try to drum up interest.  

 

 

 

 

 

Note to future
concoms:  Using web page forms to have
people submit panel programming ideas is probably the wave of the future.  However, do not rely on them exclusively.  This could lead to a shortfall of programming
if not enough people submit.  Not
everyone, especially of the older generation, are used to them.     Also,
the programming person should make an attempt to vet panel submissions: people
can claim all sorts of expertise that actually falls short of the mark in actuality.

 

 

 

Costume-Con
34’s Future Fashion Folio was the first to be produced using PowerPoint and
then exported as a document.   It was
also the first to be published in a horizontal format.   Feedback by recipients was positive.   As for content, there were more designers,
more NEW designers, and the designs accepted were, on the whole, more easily
made up.

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3047 From: casamai Date: 5/31/2016
Subject: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Registration

Again, a caveat:  These are opinions, based on our personal experiences.   If there are any corrections, I’m sure the CC34 concom will speak up.

 

 

We
appreciated being able to pick up pre-reg packets on Thursday evening.   It was also nice to receive a “swag bag” of
various freebies, including the catalogs and spray hair coloring samples.  

 

 

The program
book looked good.   The one complaint was
the lack of a printed pocket program.

 

Aware of
this before the con, a few of us printed out the online version from the
website.   The alternative was to rip it
out of your program book, but we saw people schlepping the whole book around at
the con, so maybe this was not as much an issue as we thought?

 

 

In lieu of
the printed version, there was a schedule app for smartphone. 
The  app worked well enough, but the drawback a few
of us saw was that after you marked what panels you wanted to see, it was
difficult to see the whole schedule –  if
someone asked you about some other panel you weren’t interested in, it was more
difficult to pull up, or if you were looking for a friend who might be in a
different panel.  The app also didn’t
allow for two people with the same email address with two different
schedules.   It was nice that it did send
you an email to notify you about what your schedule was each day.   We did hear positive feedback from some
attendees who could schedule not just their panels, but also their tech times,
etc.  The
app’s website  updated your
schedule throughout the day, with the past events no longer shown.  This meant for less scrolling.  

 

 

We’ll admit
it’s probably a generational thing, but there are a lot of “old-timers” who do
not exclusively rely on phones or may not be comfortable or willing to learn
the application.  Therefore, we hope
future concoms will continue to print pocket programs.    At
least there was a large-size schedule poster taped up in the hall of the
convention center to refer to.

 

 

Quotes from
some of our members:

 

 

“Can’t say I agree with the
decision to not print a pocket program.  I ended up ripping out the center
pages of my program book.  As for the schedule app, I didn’t know there
was such a thing until I (
heard about it in our initial review on our Yahoo group).
(This person disagreed with the “great communication” on that point.)  When
I got home, and could again check e-mails, I noticed I got 4 e-mails saying
that I had not scheduled anything that day.  Wow, that was
effective.  The problem with making blanket pronouncements about apps and
such, is it assumes we all have the same tech available to usWe
don’t.
   Anyone can carry a pocket program with them.  They didn’t
need to print out one for everyone.  A few dozen, available at
Registration would have sufficed.  They could have been in a pile under a
sign that said, “Ask us about the CC34 schedule app.”  So far this
e-mail sounds like I was really unsatisfied with Registration.  Couldn’t
be further from the truth.  (…I) had a problem at Registration and it was
cleared up quickly and neatly.  Couldn’t be happier.  Just don’t
agree that schedule app and pocket program has to be an either/or thing.”

 

 

 From another member:

 

 

“I only knew
about the ap because (
we) got the email with the link. Once I had
the con send me my own email the ap worked well. I admit
( I did get some
help to
) show me how to get an icon to
appear on my home screen.  Other than that I liked it.”

 

 

And from this one:

 

 

“I don’t have a smartphone
and I don’t rip pages out of books, so I was one of the members carrying the
full program book around. Fortunately, it wasn’t very thick so that that wasn’t
very burdensome. I very much liked the web site feature that let you identify
specific program items — which was not limited only to a smartphone app — and
was pleasantly surprised to get daily e-mails reminding me of the schedule I
had chosen for that day. Unfortunately, I don’t check e-mail until the evening
and so received each reminder at the end of the day rather than the beginning
(or the previous evening)!

 

 

 The program book at least
included (1) a map, (2) a schedule grid, and (3) program descriptions that
included the program title, a description of the topic, and the program
participants’ names. While this may seem pretty basic, it is surprising how
many cons (SF as well as CCs) fail to provide all three elements. One problem
for me was that the times the green room opened to entrants was different in
some competition information from that on the grid (see the FFS for an
example).

 

 

The large map and especially
the lavish posting of direction signs helped me a lot to get around the con. 
I suggest that other CC’s follow suit”

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3048 From: casamai Date: 6/1/2016
Subject: SLCG Costume-Con Review: The Hotel

 

 

 

The Madison
Marriott West was familiar to a few of us – it’s the same one used for
Teslacon.   It was sorta weird being
there for CC – it wasn’t real cold outside.
The rooms were nice, and hotel food seemed to be a little better than we
remembered.  One nice thing we noticed
was there lots of electrical outlets, thanks to some of them being in the table
lamps.   There was free wifi in the
convention center that’s attached to the hotel, but you had to pay if you
wanted it in your room (boo!).    Free parking – always appreciated.   The convention didn’t use all the function
space, so having enough was not a problem.
There were a couple of complaints about Housekeeping, but overall, they
were okay.  At least they were thorough
about cleaning rooms.   It was odd that
they didn’t have much in the way of towel racks in the bathroom.  The clothing racks were kind of low –
possibly to make them handicapped accessible?
It would be great if hotels would have extra hooks on the walls of the
room for more hanging space.  And there
was a hot tub and pool, but the hot tub was a bit hot, and the pool was rather
warm – but hey they had a hot tub.

 

 

 

 

 

Opinions
about the rest of the hotel staff (mainly the front desk) were mixed.    Some of us had good experiences, but others
did not.

 

 

I would not
return there as a guest. I tended to feel rushed in the dining room, although
that was perhaps a result of overly eager staff trying to meet my needs. I
wanted to tell them that, when I wanted something I’d ask for it,.and that I
wouldn’t know whether I wanted anything more until I finished what I was
eating. I found the front desk staff bureaucratic and procedurally rigid. One
day, we had to call housekeeping after 4:30 to ask if our room would be
serviced. When the housekeeper showed up, she claimed we had a do-not-disturb
sign on our door, which we had removed by 9:45 that morning.”

 

 

“Similarly,
the staff did not seem to treat the con as a big function for the hotel, and
perhaps it wasn’t, compared with the University of Wisconsin and the Wisconsin
Broadcasters Association. (We certainly did not fill the bar the same way the
broadcasters did.)

 

 

By  contrast, one
staffer
offered to pick
people up from the restaurant across the street with the shuttle, if it was
raining.

 

 

Speaking of the restaurant across the street, It
was very handy to have a really good restaurant that close – Sprecher’s has
lots of good choices.  Every year, those
of us who go up for Teslacon find  more
and more choices popping up around the area..

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3049 From: Trudy Leonard Date: 6/1/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con Review: The Hotel

 

We had good experiences with front desk staff, but our room was not cleaned the entire time we were there. I had signed up for their Green program, which I understood to mean that linens would not be changed out for the first three days, but they
were not changed at all. Trash was not emptied, toilet paper and tissues not replaced. We had to call down to the desk for towels, tp , etc which were delivered promptly, but we did have to ask. We never had a “Do no disturb” sign out. Did anyone else have
this problem?

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

—- casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] wrote —-

 

 

 

The Madison Marriott West was familiar to a few of us – it’s the same one used for Teslacon.
It was sorta weird being there for CC – it wasn’t real cold outside.
The rooms were nice, and hotel food seemed to be a little better than we remembered.
One nice thing we noticed was there lots of electrical outlets, thanks to some of them being in the table lamps.
There was free wifi in the convention center that’s attached to the hotel, but you had to pay if you wanted it in your room (boo!).
Free parking – always appreciated.   The convention didn’t use all the function space, so having enough was not a problem.
There were a couple of complaints about Housekeeping, but overall, they were okay.
At least they were thorough about cleaning rooms.   It was odd that they didn’t have much in the way of towel racks in the bathroom.
The clothing racks were kind of low – possibly to make them handicapped accessible?
It would be great if hotels would have extra hooks on the walls of the room for more hanging space.
And there was a hot tub and pool, but the hot tub was a bit hot, and the pool was rather warm – but hey they had a hot tub.

 

 

 

Opinions about the rest of the hotel staff (mainly the front desk) were mixed.
Some of us had good experiences, but others did not.

 

I would not return there as a guest. I tended to feel rushed in the dining room, although that was perhaps a result of overly eager staff
trying to meet my needs. I wanted to tell them that, when I wanted something I’d ask for it,.and that I wouldn’t know whether I wanted anything more until I finished what I was eating. I found the front desk staff bureaucratic and procedurally rigid. One day,
we had to call housekeeping after 4:30 to ask if our room would be serviced. When the housekeeper showed up, she claimed we had a do-not-disturb sign on our door, which we had removed by 9:45 that morning.”

 

 

“Similarly, the staff did not seem to treat the con as a big function for the hotel, and perhaps it wasn’t, compared with the University of Wisconsin and the Wisconsin Broadcasters Association.
(We certainly did not fill the bar the same way the broadcasters did.)

 

 

By
contrast, one staffer
offered to pick people up from the restaurant across the street with the shuttle, if it was raining.

 

Speaking of the restaurant across the street, It was very handy to have a really good restaurant that close – Sprecher’s has lots of good choices.
Every year, those of us who go up for Teslacon find  more and more choices popping up around the area..

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3050 From: costumrs Date: 6/2/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con Review: The Hotel

 

I believe we mentioned, the note about no free WiFi on the rooms is inaccurate. It was available both our roommates and we had multiple devices signed into the free room wifi. There was a high speed option which was also available.
P&S
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone

——– Original message ——–
From: “casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 06/01/2016 9:42 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] SLCG Costume-Con Review: The Hotel

 

 

 

 

The Madison
Marriott West was familiar to a few of us – it’s the same one used for
Teslacon.   It was sorta weird being
there for CC – it wasn’t real cold outside.
The rooms were nice, and hotel food seemed to be a little better than we
remembered.  One nice thing we noticed
was there lots of electrical outlets, thanks to some of them being in the table
lamps.   There was free wifi in the
convention center that’s attached to the hotel, but you had to pay if you
wanted it in your room (boo!).    Free parking – always appreciated.   The convention didn’t use all the function
space, so having enough was not a problem.
There were a couple of complaints about Housekeeping, but overall, they
were okay.  At least they were thorough
about cleaning rooms.   It was odd that
they didn’t have much in the way of towel racks in the bathroom.  The clothing racks were kind of low –
possibly to make them handicapped accessible?
It would be great if hotels would have extra hooks on the walls of the
room for more hanging space.  And there
was a hot tub and pool, but the hot tub was a bit hot, and the pool was rather
warm – but hey they had a hot tub.

 

 

 

 

 

Opinions
about the rest of the hotel staff (mainly the front desk) were mixed.    Some of us had good experiences, but others
did not.

 

 

I would not
return there as a guest. I tended to feel rushed in the dining room, although
that was perhaps a result of overly eager staff trying to meet my needs. I
wanted to tell them that, when I wanted something I’d ask for it,.and that I
wouldn’t know whether I wanted anything more until I finished what I was
eating. I found the front desk staff bureaucratic and procedurally rigid. One
day, we had to call housekeeping after 4:30 to ask if our room would be
serviced. When the housekeeper showed up, she claimed we had a do-not-disturb
sign on our door, which we had removed by 9:45 that morning.”

 

 

“Similarly,
the staff did not seem to treat the con as a big function for the hotel, and
perhaps it wasn’t, compared with the University of Wisconsin and the Wisconsin
Broadcasters Association. (We certainly did not fill the bar the same way the
broadcasters did.)

 

 

By  contrast, one
staffer
offered to pick
people up from the restaurant across the street with the shuttle, if it was
raining.

 

 

Speaking of the restaurant across the street, It
was very handy to have a really good restaurant that close – Sprecher’s has
lots of good choices.  Every year, those
of us who go up for Teslacon find  more
and more choices popping up around the area..

 


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Group: runacc Message: 3051 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/2/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con Review: The Hotel

we had the same problems with getting our room cleaned and getting new/fresh supplies

but at least there weren’t too many pillows on the beds

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Subject: RE: [runacc] SLCG Costume-Con Review: The Hotel
To: “costumecon committee” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, June 1, 2016, 11:10 PM

We had good experiences with front desk
staff, but our room was not cleaned the entire time we were
there. I had signed up for their Green program, which I
understood to mean that linens would not be changed out for
the first three days, but they
were not changed at all. Trash was not emptied, toilet
paper and tissues not replaced. We had to call down to the
desk for towels, tp , etc which were delivered promptly, but
we did have to ask. We never had a “Do no disturb”
sign out. Did anyone else have
this problem?
Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

—- casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] wrote —-

The Madison
Marriott West was familiar to a few of us – it’s the
same one used for Teslacon.
It was sorta weird being there for CC – it wasn’t
real cold outside.
The rooms were nice, and hotel food seemed to be a
little better than we remembered.
One nice thing we noticed was there lots of
electrical outlets, thanks to some of them being in the
table lamps.
There was free wifi in the convention center that’s
attached to the hotel, but you had to pay if you wanted it
in your room (boo!).
Free parking – always
appreciated.   The convention didn’t use
all the function space, so having enough was not a
problem.
There were a couple of complaints about Housekeeping,
but overall, they were okay.
At least they were thorough about cleaning
rooms.   It was odd that they didn’t have
much in the way of towel racks in the bathroom.
The clothing racks were kind of low – possibly to
make them handicapped accessible?
It would be great if hotels would have extra hooks on
the walls of the room for more hanging space.
And there was a hot tub and pool, but the hot tub was
a bit hot, and the pool was rather warm – but hey they had
a hot tub.

Opinions about
the rest of the hotel staff (mainly the front desk) were
mixed.
Some of us had good experiences, but others did
not.

“I would not return there as a guest. I tended to
feel rushed in the dining room, although that was perhaps a
result of overly eager staff
trying to meet my needs. I wanted to tell them that, when I
wanted something I’d ask for it,.and that I wouldn’t
know whether I wanted anything more until I finished what I
was eating. I found the front desk staff bureaucratic and
procedurally rigid. One day,
we had to call housekeeping after 4:30 to ask if our room
would be serviced. When the housekeeper showed up, she
claimed we had a do-not-disturb sign on our door, which we
had removed by 9:45 that
morning.”

“Similarly, the staff did
not seem to treat the con as a big function for the hotel,
and perhaps it wasn’t, compared with the University of
Wisconsin and the Wisconsin Broadcasters Association.
(We certainly did not fill the bar the same way the
broadcasters did.)

By
contrast, one staffer offered to pick people up from the
restaurant across the street with the shuttle, if it was
raining.

Speaking of the restaurant across
the street, It was very handy to have a really good
restaurant that close – Sprecher’s has lots of good
choices.
Every year, those of us who go up for Teslacon find
more and more choices popping up around the
area..

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Group: runacc Message: 3052 From: casamai Date: 6/2/2016
Subject: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Con Suite

 

 

 

It appeared
to be stocked well all the time, though a bit light on meat protein, as the
“locusts” kept eating the lunch meat as rapidly as it was put out, which left
some out in the cold with only cheese and peanut butter for sandwiches.  At least there were hard boiled eggs
available.  The room was staffed at all
times and they restocked as needed.   An
interesting couple of other choices we don’t’ see often were rice and ramen
noodles.  There was also mac and cheese
bowls.   We noted that there was always milk for
cereal.   So there can be no complaints
that there wasn’t SOMEthing to eat.

 

 

The Suite
was always clean and the staff was pleasant.
We noticed that the morning people were working the mornings and the
late night people didn’t conk out in the early evening.   Smart!

 

 

 

Suite
sponsorships – Toronto had Poutine, Maple cookies and Canadian-made candies for
their party after the SF masq.    Instead of Sunday night,  CC36  sponsored Saturday morning, but we didn’t see
anything different, food-wise.    The
SLCG spent a little more money for the Sunday morning breakfast so that there were breakfast
sandwiches with meat protein.  We also brought
up St. Louis favorite gooey gutter cake for a local treat.

 

 

 

While there
were some name brand sodas in the coolers, there was at least one complaint.

 

 

“I found the selections very
limited in general; in particular, they had no Dr. Pepper.  When I asked about it, I was told they would
have someone pick some up on the next soda run (or perhaps it was “next
time”, referring to potential future events; it wasn’t quite clear).  In any event, no Dr. Pepper appeared”.

 

 

 

 

 

Also this:

 

 

“Should probably mention the con
suite being a ‘dry county’.  Can’t say I agree with that decision.  I
can understand not serving us alcohol, but we should be free to bring our own,
especially with a microbrewery and World of Beer just across the street where
we can buy some really good beers to share with others.”

 

 

 

“Also
the fact that some people had made a special effort to bring  local or
homemade alcoholic beverages with them.”

 

 

 

 

 

The Suite closed
just after Green Room opened, thus giving the staff a little bit of a
break.   That’s probably a good
idea.    It reinforces the idea of getting people to go
to the main events.  And keeping it
closed until after the masq is over (including the awards) is good, so that
people don’t snipe the food in the meantime.
This was a problem at CC26.  

 

 

 

 

 

Some new
people still didn’t know about the Suite.
Not sure how much more can be done about that, but  everyone In the “My First Costume-Con” panel
was told about it..

 

 

 

 

 

Future Con
Suite Coordinators, take note:  In the
CC34 Suite, when the meat plates were put out, the Roast Beef disappeared
first, followed by the Turkey, and the Ham was last.  Also, check with the hotel about electrical
loads when having hot pots, coffee pots, microwaves and toasters all running in
the same room, because it might blow a fuse.

 

 

 

 

 

No signs
were put out to indicate who sponsored what night – nothing in the Program Book
either.   There should have been some acknowledgement,
even if it was just hand-written signs in the Suite.

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3053 From: beckieboo817 Date: 6/3/2016
Subject: Budgets

I have my people who are helping me to run CC36 requesting Actual Budgets for previous cons. The only one I have is for CC30 thanks to Elaine Mami and Marg Grady. But they say that’s too old (even though it’s only 4 years old). CC31 lost theirs on a hard drive crash. Same for CC32 and CC33 lost theirs with a Windows 10 install. My question is, can we have a central area where we put this stuff so that future cons have references? I mean, it would be nice to see the trends of various cons of membership buying, how much they charged for their dealer’s tables/booths, and just basic expenditures. I have 31’s numbers for when he sold what. I have his room night numbers (but again they say that’s too old). Oh and forget Toronto because that’s Canada. (their words, not mine)

 

I remember there was some talk of moving this off Yahoo and in to another format. What info I have gathered is on my Google Drive in folders and am willing to share but it would be nice to have more info.  Because the more info you have, the better you can make your con and give your attendees a better experience.

 

So, if anyone has actual budgets for previous costume cons, please let me know.

 

The people that are requesting this kind of info have run Westercons, Worldcons, World Fantasy Cons so they’re different from a Costume Con but it is still the same kind of info which should make the con a better experience.

 

 

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Group: runacc Message: 2954 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 9/3/2015
Subject: Re: The Costume-Con Archives – especially photos
Having different angles can be a good thing. Also, sometimes an entry slips through without being photographed. A good example was Kathy Sanders’ rendition of Nora’s Ribbon Dress for the CC11 FFS. She didn’t go through official photography, but fortunately, I got a very good shot of it.

I don’t know if there needs to be a separate folder for hall costumes or not, or if the CC Archives should stick to the events, but since the ICG Archives maintains its own records of CC activates (though we don’t repost the official pictures), we have folders for just such photos. It’s just as important to have a record of the non-competition outfits people wear, since it gives an insight into their “con garb”.

Bruce

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From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2015 10:05 PM
To: RunaCC
Subject: Re: [runacc] The Costume-Con Archives – especially photos

I’ll look back through my past CC photos. I frequently take photos of the exhibits and doll competitions, and more recently, some of the quilts. If I’ve already submitted some, any duplicates I dig up and send can be ignored, of course. May take me a while, though. Up until just a few years ago, everything was film, not digital.

As many of you know, I particularly like to get close-ups of the neat little detail bits that most people never get to see. A lot of the photos I’ve got were ones in the Green Room or halls, since I seldom actually get to see the masquerade from the audience.

Tina

 

Group: runacc Message: 2955 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 9/26/2015
Subject: New topic: “Are you going?”

 

 

Many moons ago, a feature in the back of progress reports was a list of people who had bought memberships.   With each PR, they were updated with the latest list.   It was not only a good way to learn who was going, but also one way of determining if it was worth going to (judging by who you knew on the list)   It could also be a gauge of how successful the con might be.

Would this be a good idea to bring back in a PR or a web page, or in this day of the internet and privacy concerns, is this no longer wise?

Go!

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2956 From: axejudge Date: 9/26/2015
Subject: Re: New topic: “Are you going?”

I liked it a lot.  It did require, however, that:

a.  there actually WERE regular PRs; and

b.  someone took the lead to keep the list updated (this seems obvious, but you’d be surprised how difficult this information seems to be for some cons to put their finger on; this is the treasurer’s domain, but can lag behind)

Karen

 

 

On 2015-09-26 23:40, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] wrote:

 

 

Many moons ago, a feature in the back of progress reports was a list of people who had bought memberships.   With each PR, they were updated with the latest list.   It was not only a good way to learn who was going, but also one way of determining if it was worth going to (judging by who you knew on the list)   It could also be a gauge of how successful the con might be.

Would this be a good idea to bring back in a PR or a web page, or in this day of the internet and privacy concerns, is this no longer wise?

Go!

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2957 From: Trudy Leonard Date: 9/26/2015
Subject: Re: New topic: “Are you going?”

 

It was also helpful for those of us who couldn’t remember whether we’d already gotten our memberships. 😘

Trudy
Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

—- ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] wrote —-

 

Many moons ago, a feature in the back of progress reports was a list of people who had bought memberships.   With each PR, they were updated with the latest list.   It was not only a good way to learn who was going, but also one way of
determining if it was worth going to (judging by who you knew on the list)   It could also be a gauge of how successful the con might be.

Would this be a good idea to bring back in a PR or a web page, or in this day of the internet and privacy concerns, is this no longer wise?

Go!

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2958 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 9/27/2015
Subject: Re: New topic: “Are you going?”

Check out the roster section of http://www.sjin2018.org

It’s automatically fed from the reg database, and is opt-in with choice of listing real name or badge name.

 

On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 8:01 PM Trudy Leonard georgialei@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

It was also helpful for those of us who couldn’t remember whether we’d already gotten our memberships. 😘

Trudy
Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

—- ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] wrote —-

 

Many moons ago, a feature in the back of progress reports was a list of people who had bought memberships.   With each PR, they were updated with the latest list.   It was not only a good way to learn who was going, but also one way of
determining if it was worth going to (judging by who you knew on the list)   It could also be a gauge of how successful the con might be.

Would this be a good idea to bring back in a PR or a web page, or in this day of the internet and privacy concerns, is this no longer wise?

Go!

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2959 From: Stacey Lee Date: 9/27/2015
Subject: Re: membership list

I remember CC31 put it up on the website. We got together as a committee (I think it was even before our bid was certified) and agreed that 34 would NOT be doing that because of privacy concerns. Even if it was just a list of names, it’s too easy in the age of google and facebook to cross-reference that against people’s locations and put them at risk.

I suppose if the progress reports are only being privately emailed to registered members, then putting it in the prog report isn’t as big a risk. But then I have to ask…why? What’s the purpose of such a list? If you can’t remember if you registered, email the con (chair or head of registration) and ask. If it’s to rubberneck who else is going….well. Big deal. I can’t speak to others, of course, but for me, that’s useless info and I wouldn’t care. I’ll see people when I arrive at the con. I don’t have a burning need to know that ahead of time.

So I guess it comes down to: if it can be distributed safely via privately-emailed prog reports, then it’s up to the concom’s personal preference. I’m sure it wouldn’t take that much extra bandwidth, but it might take some poor secretary or registration head’s time to compile the list of names-only.

Stace
the poor secretary who might have to make that compilation.

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On Sun, 9/27/15, runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
________________________________________________________________________
1a. New topic:  “Are you going?”
Posted by: “Nora & Bruce Mai” casamai@sbcglobal.net
casamai
Date: Sat Sep 26, 2015 4:40 pm ((PDT))

Many moons ago, a feature in the back of progress reports
was a list of
people who had bought memberships.   With
each PR, they were updated with
the latest list.   It was not only a good way
to learn who was going, but
also one way of determining if it was worth going to
(judging by who you
knew on the list)   It could also be a gauge
of how successful the con might
be.

Would this be a good idea to bring back in a PR or a web
page, or in this
day of the internet and privacy concerns, is this no longer
wise?

 

Group: runacc Message: 2960 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 9/27/2015
Subject: Re: membership list

Back in the dark ages, before Facebook was a thing, Costume-Con would often be the only time in a year we might see some of our friends, and it was nice to know who we’d be hanging out with.

I actually hate that in this day and age we have to worry about announcing to our friends we might be somewhere for fear that we might be taken advantage of at home.
I recognize also that I am a fossil and still prefer the paper to the electronic medium. With over 20,000 EMAIL messages (let alone the traffic on FB and elsewhere) I seldom open attachments or click through links unless I’ve asked for the material, because I’m not a fan of viruses or worms.
Honestly, I don’t remember the last time I read any of the electronic newsletters I’ve received. And that’s a sad thing.
I used to keep all the PRs when I received them, and I looked forward to getting those reminders that deadlines were coming up.
Yay, fewer dead trees. Boo, lost information and history.
Your mileage may vary.
Betsy

 

 

On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Stacey Lee staceylee25@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I remember CC31 put it up on the website. We got together as a committee (I think it was even before our bid was certified) and agreed that 34 would NOT be doing that because of privacy concerns. Even if it was just a list of names, it’s too easy in the age of google and facebook to cross-reference that against people’s locations and put them at risk.

I suppose if the progress reports are only being privately emailed to registered members, then putting it in the prog report isn’t as big a risk. But then I have to ask…why? What’s the purpose of such a list? If you can’t remember if you registered, email the con (chair or head of registration) and ask. If it’s to rubberneck who else is going….well. Big deal. I can’t speak to others, of course, but for me, that’s useless info and I wouldn’t care. I’ll see people when I arrive at the con. I don’t have a burning need to know that ahead of time.

So I guess it comes down to: if it can be distributed safely via privately-emailed prog reports, then it’s up to the concom’s personal preference. I’m sure it wouldn’t take that much extra bandwidth, but it might take some poor secretary or registration head’s time to compile the list of names-only.

Stace
the poor secretary who might have to make that compilation.

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________________________________________________________________________
1a. New topic:  “Are you going?”
Posted by: “Nora & Bruce Mai” casamai@sbcglobal.net
casamai
Date: Sat Sep 26, 2015 4:40 pm ((PDT))

Many moons ago, a feature in the back of progress reports
was a list of
people who had bought memberships.   With
each PR, they were updated with
the latest list.   It was not only a good way
to learn who was going, but
also one way of determining if it was worth going to
(judging by who you
knew on the list)   It could also be a gauge
of how successful the con might
be.

Would this be a good idea to bring back in a PR or a web
page, or in this
day of the internet and privacy concerns, is this no longer
wise?

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Group: runacc Message: 2961 From: Kevin Roche Date: 9/27/2015
Subject: Re: New topic: “Are you going?”

I’m in favor of this technique (I should be, I wrote the code that generates it from the registration system.  🙂

The important part is the OPT-IN aspect. It also allows for the use of a fan name as opposed to legal name.
Kevin

 

On Sunday, September 27, 2015, Andrew Trembley attrembl@bovil.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Check out the roster section of http://www.sjin2018.org

It’s automatically fed from the reg database, and is opt-in with choice of listing real name or badge name.

On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 8:01 PM Trudy Leonard georgialei@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

It was also helpful for those of us who couldn’t remember whether we’d already gotten our memberships. 😘

Trudy
Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

—- ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] wrote —-

 

Many moons ago, a feature in the back of progress reports was a list of people who had bought memberships.   With each PR, they were updated with the latest list.   It was not only a good way to learn who was going, but also one way of
determining if it was worth going to (judging by who you knew on the list)   It could also be a gauge of how successful the con might be.

Would this be a good idea to bring back in a PR or a web page, or in this day of the internet and privacy concerns, is this no longer wise?

Go!

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2962 From: Byron Connell Date: 9/27/2015
Subject: Re: membership list

 

As a fellow fossil, I too prefer paper over electrons.  To save postage, I normally print electronic PRs and save them.  I also agree that our society has reached yet another shameful place when an individual must fear letting others know about his or her itinerary.

 

I note that CC 33 kept a list of members on its web site.  However, I believe it was not fully up to date.  It also included both attending and supporting members, so the presence of a name did not assure that the individual would be at the con.  Sasquan did the same for all 10,000-odd attending and supporting members.  On a much smaller scale, so did Albacon 2014.5 (using badge names only).  MidAmeriCon II has a space on its web site for a members list; however, it has not populated it as of this afternoon.
Byron

 

 

On Sep 27, 2015, at 2:19 PM, Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Back in the dark ages, before Facebook was a thing, Costume-Con would often be the only time in a year we might see some of our friends, and it was nice to know who we’d be hanging out with.

I actually hate that in this day and age we have to worry about announcing to our friends we might be somewhere for fear that we might be taken advantage of at home.
I recognize also that I am a fossil and still prefer the paper to the electronic medium. With over 20,000 EMAIL messages (let alone the traffic on FB and elsewhere) I seldom open attachments or click through links unless I’ve asked for the material, because I’m not a fan of viruses or worms.
Honestly, I don’t remember the last time I read any of the electronic newsletters I’ve received. And that’s a sad thing.
I used to keep all the PRs when I received them, and I looked forward to getting those reminders that deadlines were coming up.
Yay, fewer dead trees. Boo, lost information and history.
Your mileage may vary.
Betsy

 

On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Stacey Lee staceylee25@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I remember CC31 put it up on the website. We got together as a committee (I think it was even before our bid was certified) and agreed that 34 would NOT be doing that because of privacy concerns. Even if it was just a list of names, it’s too easy in the age of google and facebook to cross-reference that against people’s locations and put them at risk.

I suppose if the progress reports are only being privately emailed to registered members, then putting it in the prog report isn’t as big a risk. But then I have to ask…why? What’s the purpose of such a list? If you can’t remember if you registered, email the con (chair or head of registration) and ask. If it’s to rubberneck who else is going….well. Big deal. I can’t speak to others, of course, but for me, that’s useless info and I wouldn’t care. I’ll see people when I arrive at the con. I don’t have a burning need to know that ahead of time.

So I guess it comes down to: if it can be distributed safely via privately-emailed prog reports, then it’s up to the concom’s personal preference. I’m sure it wouldn’t take that much extra bandwidth, but it might take some poor secretary or registration head’s time to compile the list of names-only.

Stace
the poor secretary who might have to make that compilation.

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On Sun, 9/27/15, runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 ________________________________________________________________________
 1a. New topic:  “Are you going?”
     Posted by: “Nora & Bruce Mai” casamai@sbcglobal.net
 casamai
     Date: Sat Sep 26, 2015 4:40 pm ((PDT))

 Many moons ago, a feature in the back of progress reports
 was a list of
 people who had bought memberships.   With
 each PR, they were updated with
 the latest list.   It was not only a good way
 to learn who was going, but
 also one way of determining if it was worth going to
 (judging by who you
 knew on the list)   It could also be a gauge
 of how successful the con might
 be.



 Would this be a good idea to bring back in a PR or a web
 page, or in this
 day of the internet and privacy concerns, is this no longer
 wise?




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Group: runacc Message: 2963 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 9/28/2015
Subject: Re: membership list

Well…

The regulars go, regardless of who else is going.

But if I was a random fan, and CC was, say, 100 miles away from me, and I didn’t know much about it, knowing I might see some (or many) local/regional friends there might be enough to get me to decide to sign up.

That’s he marketing rationale.

 

On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 2:07 PM Byron Connell byronpconnell@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

As a fellow fossil, I too prefer paper over electrons.  To save postage, I normally print electronic PRs and save them.  I also agree that our society has reached yet another shameful place when an individual must fear letting others know about his or her itinerary.

I note that CC 33 kept a list of members on its web site.  However, I believe it was not fully up to date.  It also included both attending and supporting members, so the presence of a name did not assure that the individual would be at the con.  Sasquan did the same for all 10,000-odd attending and supporting members.  On a much smaller scale, so did Albacon 2014.5 (using badge names only).  MidAmeriCon II has a space on its web site for a members list; however, it has not populated it as of this afternoon.
Byron

 

On Sep 27, 2015, at 2:19 PM, Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Back in the dark ages, before Facebook was a thing, Costume-Con would often be the only time in a year we might see some of our friends, and it was nice to know who we’d be hanging out with.

I actually hate that in this day and age we have to worry about announcing to our friends we might be somewhere for fear that we might be taken advantage of at home.
I recognize also that I am a fossil and still prefer the paper to the electronic medium. With over 20,000 EMAIL messages (let alone the traffic on FB and elsewhere) I seldom open attachments or click through links unless I’ve asked for the material, because I’m not a fan of viruses or worms.
Honestly, I don’t remember the last time I read any of the electronic newsletters I’ve received. And that’s a sad thing.
I used to keep all the PRs when I received them, and I looked forward to getting those reminders that deadlines were coming up.
Yay, fewer dead trees. Boo, lost information and history.
Your mileage may vary.
Betsy

 

On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Stacey Lee staceylee25@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I remember CC31 put it up on the website. We got together as a committee (I think it was even before our bid was certified) and agreed that 34 would NOT be doing that because of privacy concerns. Even if it was just a list of names, it’s too easy in the age of google and facebook to cross-reference that against people’s locations and put them at risk.

I suppose if the progress reports are only being privately emailed to registered members, then putting it in the prog report isn’t as big a risk. But then I have to ask…why? What’s the purpose of such a list? If you can’t remember if you registered, email the con (chair or head of registration) and ask. If it’s to rubberneck who else is going….well. Big deal. I can’t speak to others, of course, but for me, that’s useless info and I wouldn’t care. I’ll see people when I arrive at the con. I don’t have a burning need to know that ahead of time.

So I guess it comes down to: if it can be distributed safely via privately-emailed prog reports, then it’s up to the concom’s personal preference. I’m sure it wouldn’t take that much extra bandwidth, but it might take some poor secretary or registration head’s time to compile the list of names-only.

Stace
the poor secretary who might have to make that compilation.

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On Sun, 9/27/15, runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 ________________________________________________________________________
 1a. New topic:  “Are you going?”
     Posted by: “Nora & Bruce Mai” casamai@sbcglobal.net
 casamai
     Date: Sat Sep 26, 2015 4:40 pm ((PDT))

 Many moons ago, a feature in the back of progress reports
 was a list of
 people who had bought memberships.   With
 each PR, they were updated with
 the latest list.   It was not only a good way
 to learn who was going, but
 also one way of determining if it was worth going to
 (judging by who you
 knew on the list)   It could also be a gauge
 of how successful the con might
 be.



 Would this be a good idea to bring back in a PR or a web
 page, or in this
 day of the internet and privacy concerns, is this no longer
 wise?




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Group: runacc Message: 2964 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 9/28/2015
Subject: Re: membership list

If you were searching for roommates or folks to include in a presentation,
such a list would be helpful.

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From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 12:00 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] membership list

I remember CC31 put it up on the website. We got together as a committee (I
think it was even before our bid was certified) and agreed that 34 would NOT
be doing that because of privacy concerns. Even if it was just a list of
names, it’s too easy in the age of google and facebook to cross-reference
that against people’s locations and put them at risk.

I suppose if the progress reports are only being privately emailed to
registered members, then putting it in the prog report isn’t as big a risk.
But then I have to ask…why? What’s the purpose of such a list? If you
can’t remember if you registered, email the con (chair or head of
registration) and ask. If it’s to rubberneck who else is going….well. Big
deal. I can’t speak to others, of course, but for me, that’s useless info
and I wouldn’t care. I’ll see people when I arrive at the con. I don’t have
a burning need to know that ahead of time.

So I guess it comes down to: if it can be distributed safely via
privately-emailed prog reports, then it’s up to the concom’s personal
preference. I’m sure it wouldn’t take that much extra bandwidth, but it
might take some poor secretary or registration head’s time to compile the
list of names-only.

Stace
the poor secretary who might have to make that compilation.

——————————————–

On Sun, 9/27/15, runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
________________________________________________________________________
1a. New topic:  “Are you going?”
Posted by: “Nora & Bruce Mai” casamai@sbcglobal.net
casamai
Date: Sat Sep 26, 2015 4:40 pm ((PDT))

Many moons ago, a feature in the back of progress reports
was a list of
people who had bought memberships.   With
each PR, they were updated with
the latest list.   It was not only a good way
to learn who was going, but
also one way of determining if it was worth going to
(judging by who you
knew on the list)   It could also be a gauge
of how successful the con might
be.

Would this be a good idea to bring back in a PR or a web
page, or in this
day of the internet and privacy concerns, is this no longer
wise?

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Group: runacc Message: 2965 From: grizzy1955 Date: 10/16/2015
Subject: BIDS FOR COSTUME-CON 37 NEEDED

 

Cross-posting…I know y’all have put in years of service already, but please help me shake the trees for 2019…

LOOKING FOR BIDS FOR COSTUME-CON 37. (Site selection to be voted upon at Costume-Con 34 in May 2016.)

Bidding for Costume-Con 37 is open through November 17, 2015 (180 days prior to Costume-Con 34). So far, I have not received proposed bids from any potential committees.

I have received proposals for bids for Costume-Con 38 and 39 in 2020 and 2021, but we need a Costume-Con in 2019 first.

Seated committees are:
Costume-Con 34 (2016) – Madison, WI
Costume-Con 35 (2017) – Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Costume-Con 36 (2018) – San Diego, CA

I would love to see a bid come out of the Northeast or Northwest (I’m looking at YOU, Boston and Seattle!), but I would be happy with ANY bid at this point.

Please discuss amongst yourselves, and share this post to appropriate groups.

For info on how to bid for a Costume-Con, go here:
http://www.costume-con.org/constitution.shtml

Thanks!

–Karen Schnaubelt

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2966 From: axejudge Date: 10/25/2015
Subject: SD CC

Are there members of the San Diego concom on the list?

 

I have had inquiries about finding information about the con (dates, etc.), but was told there wasn’t an easily accessible web presence (website, something on either Costume-Con site).

 

Now that it’s an official upcoming CC, these things should be put in place.  If they are, and my friend just didn’t have good Google-fu, please post the sites here.

 

Karen

 

Group: runacc Message: 2967 From: beckieboo817 Date: 10/25/2015
Subject: Re: SD CC

I just googled and it comes up, not at the top of the page but it does come up. It’s just that at the moment, it’s giving a database error and I’m trying to figure out why this error keeps coming up and what we can do to keep it from happening.  It’s been up since around the 4th of July.

We also have a facebook page and if I remember correctly, it also has a link that people can buy their memberships.
cc36sandiego.org
 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2968 From: Kevin Roche Date: 10/26/2015
Subject: Re: SD CC

Hi Becky, I went to your admin login page (cc36sandiego.org/wp-admin) and the error message there explains a bit more:

Error establishing a database connection

This either means that the username and password information in your wp-config.php file is incorrect or we can’t contact the database server at localhost. This could mean your host’s database server is down.

  • Are you sure you have the correct username and password?
  • Are you sure that you have typed the correct hostname?
  • Are you sure that the database server is running?

If you’re unsure what these terms mean you should probably contact your host. If you still need help you can always visit the WordPress Support Forums.

 

 

Kevin

 

On Sunday, October 25, 2015, beckieboo817@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I just googled and it comes up, not at the top of the page but it does come up. It’s just that at the moment, it’s giving a database error and I’m trying to figure out why this error keeps coming up and what we can do to keep it from happening.  It’s been up since around the 4th of July.

We also have a facebook page and if I remember correctly, it also has a link that people can buy their memberships.
cc36sandiego.org
 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2969 From: ssbarsky Date: 11/17/2015
Subject: Re: BIDS FOR COSTUME-CON 37 NEEDED
Hi everyone, I just joined this group.

Aurora Celeste and I are working with MCFI, NoEl, TF, and other interested people in bidding a Costume-Con for 2019.

If anyone can provide useful facilities information, i.e. room block sizes, function space, etc., that would be very useful.

Thanks in advance.

Sharon Sbarsky

 

Group: runacc Message: 2970 From: Byron Connell Date: 11/18/2015
Subject: New Member
Sharon Sbarsky, welcome to the group.

Byron

 

Group: runacc Message: 2971 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 12/20/2015
Subject: Con Suite Food notes

 

 

A note for future CC Con Suite folks.

Over the years, we’ve seen some really good ones, where you could pretty much skip going to the hotel restaurant, and there have been some disappointing ones where it’s the same stuff no matter what time of day.  Obviously, it really depends on the con budget and the imagination of the staff, but here are a few thoughts that will make a better experience.   Add your own thoughts to the thread.

Unless you have a deal where you can return stuff purchased, stick to name-brand soft drinks.   People prefer what they’re familiar with.

Local brand snacks are okay, but again, may not be eaten as much as what is familiar.

Consider providing more protein – con suites often have too many carbohydrates.   Simple summer sausage and cheese plates are good.  That said, simple bread and butter goes over REALLY well, especially if it’s “fresh” baked, rather than from the grocery store.   Or even stuff for making a  simple sandwich is also a good choice.

Keep in mind you can’t, and shouldn’t, cater to everyone’s dietary needs.

Planning and organization is key.   If the con suite staff decides to prepare a breakfast instead of having the hotel provide it, make sure the staff is in the suite early enough to have the breakfast ready when the room opens.   Early people get cranky if they’re made to wait.

I had one other thought, but for the life of me, I couldn’t remember what it was – I’ve had this sitting in “Draft” for a few weeks, so I give up.

Bruce

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2972 From: Byron Connell Date: 12/20/2015
Subject: Re: Con Suite Food notes

 

All good suggestions.  However, the first thing to do is read the contract with your venue to see what limitation it places on your ability to stock the con suite.  Does it require that you exclusively use the venue’s catering department in all function spaces?

 

Assuming your contract does not prevent you from doing so, try to get as many sponsors for the con suite as you can, including bids for future CCs, clubs (both ICG chapters and SF/Fantasy clubs have done so), and other related organizations.  They may bring a distinctive local/regional air to the con suite they sponsor.  (Who can forget fried ravs?)  However, if you push the cost of sponsorship too high you may scare off some potential sponsors.  (The Pups decided the cost of sponsorship at CC 33 was more than we could afford.)
Byron

 

 

On Dec 20, 2015, at 10:41 AM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

A note for future CC Con Suite folks.

Over the years, we’ve seen some really good ones, where you could pretty much skip going to the hotel restaurant, and there have been some disappointing ones where it’s the same stuff no matter what time of day.  Obviously, it really depends on the con budget and the imagination of the staff, but here are a few thoughts that will make a better experience.   Add your own thoughts to the thread.

Unless you have a deal where you can return stuff purchased, stick to name-brand soft drinks.   People prefer what they’re familiar with.  

Local brand snacks are okay, but again, may not be eaten as much as what is familiar.

Consider providing more protein – con suites often have too many carbohydrates.   Simple summer sausage and cheese plates are good.  That said, simple bread and butter goes over REALLY well, especially if it’s “fresh” baked, rather than from the grocery store.   Or even stuff for making a  simple sandwich is also a good choice.

Keep in mind you can’t, and shouldn’t, cater to everyone’s dietary needs.

Planning and organization is key.   If the con suite staff decides to prepare a breakfast instead of having the hotel provide it, make sure the staff is in the suite early enough to have the breakfast ready when the room opens.   Early people get cranky if they’re made to wait.

I had one other thought, but for the life of me, I couldn’t remember what it was – I’ve had this sitting in “Draft” for a few weeks, so I give up.

Bruce

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2973 From: beckieboo817 Date: 1/1/2016
Subject: Costume Con 36

Hi, everyone and Happy New Year…

 

I would like to get some of my staff and upper management on to this group….How do I go about doing that?

 

Group: runacc Message: 2974 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 1/2/2016
Subject: Re: Costume Con 36

Shoot me their email addresses.

I think Karen is also admin.

Thanks!

Betsy

 

On Jan 1, 2016 8:48 PM, “beckieboo817@yahoo.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Hi, everyone and Happy New Year…

 

I would like to get some of my staff and upper management on to this group….How do I go about doing that?

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2975 From: beckieboo817 Date: 1/18/2016
Subject: Attendance and room counts

Hi everyone,

 

This is a question for the last 5 – 6 years of costume cons. I’m needing to give my supporting 501C3  reassurances of how viable a costume con is. So, would the people who have the info let me know what their attendance numbers were for their conventions and rooms sold and if possible what their room nights were for each night the week of the con?  I’m trying to prepare a report to give them.

 

I know the numbers for CC30. I’ve had some feed back from Kevin on hotel contracts and I think numbers. I know Dawn has told me some of what she has. But I’d still like a more complete picture.

 

So, what were the attendance numbers?

What were the total rooms sold? Can you break it down per night?

Did you break even or made a profit?  Or did you lose money?

 

I would appreciate any and all help.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2976 From: marg1066 Date: 1/19/2016
Subject: Re: Attendance and room counts

Any more numbers or details that I can give you, please let me know! Happy to help.

-Marg in Phoenix (CC30)

 

Group: runacc Message: 2977 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 1/24/2016
Subject: Re: Attendance and room counts

 

 

I could probably dig up figures for CC25, but they’re probably a little too out of date.  However, I can tell you that the region where you’re holding your Cc and whether there has been one there in the past will have a bearing on said numbers.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 9:03 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] Attendance and room counts

Hi everyone,

 

This is a question for the last 5 – 6 years of costume cons. I’m needing to give my supporting 501C3  reassurances of how viable a costume con is. So, would the people who have the info let me know what their attendance numbers were for their conventions and rooms sold and if possible what their room nights were for each night the week of the con?  I’m trying to prepare a report to give them.

 

I know the numbers for CC30. I’ve had some feed back from Kevin on hotel contracts and I think numbers. I know Dawn has told me some of what she has. But I’d still like a more complete picture.

 

So, what were the attendance numbers?

What were the total rooms sold? Can you break it down per night?

Did you break even or made a profit?  Or did you lose money?

 

I would appreciate any and all help.

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2978 From: Byron P Connell Date: 1/31/2016
Subject: Proposal for a New ICG Special Interest Group on Masquerade Running
I’m looking for persons interested in being part of an International Costumers’ Guild Special Interest Group for those of us involved in organizing, directing, and/or providing support for masquerades or similar stage costume competitions on the local, regional, and international-competition levels. The SIG would provide a forum for discussion of ways to run masquerades, improve them, introduce and consider new ideas or approaches, and so forth. Any ICG member interested in the topic would be welcome, especially those who are part of the RunaCC Yahoo group, as would both novice and experienced masquerade directors, MCs, tech directors and staff, stage ninjas, green room staff, masquerade judges, and interested masquerade participants or audience members. (After all, we want to know what our audience want and how to improve their experience.) Activity likely would be mostly electronic, although face-to-face events at cons and other venues certainly would be possible.

For myself, I’m a member of three ICG chapters: the Armed Costumers’ Guild, the Sick Pups, and the SLUTs, and have run too many masquerade green rooms to count, as well as directed two worldcon masquerades (Anticipation and Chicon V) and masquerades at Arisia, Philcon, and Albacon, and two SF masquerades and three historical masquerades at Costume-Cons.

To start the SIG, I need five ICG members in addition to myself to serve as our charter members. If you’d like to take part in this, please get back to me with your name, mailing and e-mail addresses, and ICG chapter. If you’re part of the RunaCC Yahoo group, please say so.

If I get five charter members, I’ll draft an application for ICG recognition and share the draft with them for review before we submit it.

Byron Connell
50 Dove Street, Albany, NY 12210-1811
New Jersey/New York Costumers’ Guild

 

Group: runacc Message: 2979 From: Sarah Bloy Date: 2/6/2016
Subject: Paging the CC36 Staff
Greetings, all!

I’m trying to get a hold of the staff for Costume Con 34.  It seems the form on their website doesn’t actually lead anywhere.

Can anyone give me a direct email?  CC34 has questions and stuff and things.

Sarah Bloy

CC34 Chair

 

Group: runacc Message: 2980 From: Byron Connell Date: 2/6/2016
Subject: Re: Paging the CC36 Staff

 

Rebecca Rowan is chair of CC 36. She’s at rebecca8175@gmail.com.

 

Elaine Mami is vice-chair. She’s at ecmami@hotmail.com.
Byron

 

 

On Feb 6, 2016, at 3:31 PM, Sarah Bloy berzerker.prime@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Greetings, all!

I’m trying to get a hold of the staff for Costume Con 34.  It seems the form on their website doesn’t actually lead anywhere.

Can anyone give me a direct email?  CC34 has questions and stuff and things.

Sarah Bloy

CC34 Chair

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2981 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 2/7/2016
Subject: An interesting Fashion Show layout

 

 

Something some committee might like to explore for a  FFS sometime?  Only problem could be lighting, but I’ve seen worse.

Bruce

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2982 From: Byron Connell Date: 2/7/2016
Subject: Re: An interesting Fashion Show layout

 

Interesting format.  It has possibilities, I think. (Unlike some of the fashions on display.)

 

Byron

 

 

On Feb 7, 2016, at 2:17 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Something some committee might like to explore for a  FFS sometime?  Only problem could be lighting, but I’ve seen worse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=praegJ_sFmE

Bruce

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2983 From: spiritof_76 Date: 2/8/2016
Subject: Re: An interesting Fashion Show layout

That would push it more toward fashion show than masquerade, but only
the people in the front row will see anything below the waist.

Michael

On 2016-02-07 11:17, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]
wrote:

> Something some committee might like to explore for a FFS sometime?
> Only problem could be lighting, but I’ve seen worse.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=praegJ_sFmE
>
> Bruce

 

Group: runacc Message: 2984 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 2/9/2016
Subject: Re: An interesting Fashion Show layout

Um, that’s why it’s called the Future FASHION Show?

It appears that no one was more than a row or two away. Risers could be used, if there were enough of them.

Bruce

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 9:02 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] An interesting Fashion Show layout

That would push it more toward fashion show than masquerade, but only the people in the front row will see anything below the waist.

Michael

On 2016-02-07 11:17, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]
wrote:

> Something some committee might like to explore for a FFS sometime?
> Only problem could be lighting, but I’ve seen worse.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=praegJ_sFmE
>
> Bruce

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Group: runacc Message: 2985 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 2/9/2016
Subject: Re: Paging the CC36 Staff

 

 

I assume that’s “CC36” in a CC34 kind of way?   🙂

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2016 2:31 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] Paging the CC36 Staff

Greetings, all!

I’m trying to get a hold of the staff for Costume Con 34.  It seems the form on their website doesn’t actually lead anywhere.

Can anyone give me a direct email?  CC34 has questions and stuff and things.

Sarah Bloy

CC34 Chair

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2986 From: spiritof_76 Date: 2/10/2016
Subject: Re: An interesting Fashion Show layout

I agree. I think it should be more fashion show and less masquerade.

Michael

On 2016-02-09 20:12, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]
wrote:

> Um, that’s why it’s called the Future FASHION Show?
>
> It appears that no one was more than a row or two away. Risers could
> be used, if there were enough of them.
>
> Bruce
>
> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 9:02 PM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [runacc] An interesting Fashion Show layout
>
> That would push it more toward fashion show than masquerade, but only
> the people in the front row will see anything below the waist.
>
> Michael
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2987 From: Kaijugal . Date: 2/12/2016
Subject: Re: Proposal for a New ICG Special Interest Group on Masquerade Runn

 

Wow Byron. That’s an AMAZING idea. I love it.

Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada


CC: byronpconnell@gmail.com
To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com; sick-pups@yahoogroups.com; SLCG-X@yahoogroups.com; ArmedCostumers@yahoogroups.com; runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 21:46:11 -0500
Subject: [runacc] Proposal for a New ICG Special Interest Group on Masquerade Running

 

I’m looking for persons interested in being part of an International Costumers’ Guild Special Interest Group for those of us involved in organizing, directing, and/or providing support for masquerades or similar stage costume competitions on the local, regional, and international-competition levels. The SIG would provide a forum for discussion of ways to run masquerades, improve them, introduce and consider new ideas or approaches, and so forth. Any ICG member interested in the topic would be welcome, especially those who are part of the RunaCC Yahoo group, as would both novice and experienced masquerade directors, MCs, tech directors and staff, stage ninjas, green room staff, masquerade judges, and interested masquerade participants or audience members. (After all, we want to know what our audience want and how to improve their experience.) Activity likely would be mostly electronic, although face-to-face events at cons and other venues certainly would be possible.

For myself, I’m a member of three ICG chapters: the Armed Costumers’ Guild, the Sick Pups, and the SLUTs, and have run too many masquerade green rooms to count, as well as directed two worldcon masquerades (Anticipation and Chicon V) and masquerades at Arisia, Philcon, and Albacon, and two SF masquerades and three historical masquerades at Costume-Cons.

To start the SIG, I need five ICG members in addition to myself to serve as our charter members. If you’d like to take part in this, please get back to me with your name, mailing and e-mail addresses, and ICG chapter. If you’re part of the RunaCC Yahoo group, please say so.

If I get five charter members, I’ll draft an application for ICG recognition and share the draft with them for review before we submit it.

Byron Connell
50 Dove Street, Albany, NY 12210-1811
New Jersey/New York Costumers’ Guild

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2988 From: Byron Connell Date: 2/12/2016
Subject: Re: Proposal for a New ICG Special Interest Group on Masquerade Runn

 

I’ll add you to the list of charter members.

 

Byron

 

 

On Feb 12, 2016, at 2:27 AM, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Wow Byron. That’s an AMAZING idea. I love it.

Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada




CC: byronpconnell@gmail.com
To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com; sick-pups@yahoogroups.com; SLCG-X@yahoogroups.com; ArmedCostumers@yahoogroups.com; runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 21:46:11 -0500
Subject: [runacc] Proposal for a New ICG Special Interest Group on Masquerade Running

 

I’m looking for persons interested in being part of an International Costumers’ Guild Special Interest Group for those of us involved in organizing, directing, and/or providing support for masquerades or similar stage costume competitions on the local, regional, and international-competition levels. The SIG would provide a forum for discussion of ways to run masquerades, improve them, introduce and consider new ideas or approaches, and so forth. Any ICG member interested in the topic would be welcome, especially those who are part of the RunaCC Yahoo group, as would both novice and experienced masquerade directors, MCs, tech directors and staff, stage ninjas, green room staff, masquerade judges, and interested masquerade participants or audience members. (After all, we want to know what our audience want and how to improve their experience.) Activity likely would be mostly electronic, although face-to-face events at cons and other venues certainly would be possible. 

For myself, I’m a member of three ICG chapters: the Armed Costumers’ Guild, the Sick Pups, and the SLUTs, and have run too many masquerade green rooms to count, as well as directed two worldcon masquerades (Anticipation and Chicon V) and masquerades at Arisia, Philcon, and Albacon, and two SF masquerades and three historical masquerades at Costume-Cons. 

To start the SIG, I need five ICG members in addition to myself to serve as our charter members. If you’d like to take part in this, please get back to me with your name, mailing and e-mail addresses, and ICG chapter. If you’re part of the RunaCC Yahoo group, please say so.

If I get five charter members, I’ll draft an application for ICG recognition and share the draft with them for review before we submit it. 

Byron Connell
50 Dove Street, Albany, NY 12210-1811
New Jersey/New York Costumers’ Guild  

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2989 From: beckieboo817 Date: 3/22/2016
Subject: Size of main event room

Hi, everyone,

This is for previous runners of Costume Cons….
What was the size of your main event room?  7,000?  8,000? 9,000?
I finally submitted my RFP to the local visitors and convention bureau and have this room being 10,000 square feet.  Of course, some of my favorite choices are coming back saying they can’t host because they don’t meet the requirements….I’m thinking I’m needing to drop this down a bit. One place with 9,600 sq ft could seat 1,000 theater style and that’s what we want, right?

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2990 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 3/22/2016
Subject: Re: Size of main event room

Not necessarily. Remember that a portion of your audience is actually likely to be on stage or backstage, so extra large space may not be as necessary as you think. Even with the larger cons, you want enough space for the stage and seating for those who aren’t competing, plus those who finished the competition but want to watch after they’re done with fan photo.

CCXV ran into trouble when we had over 100 bodies in competition at the SF masquerade, because the green room wasn’t large enough to handle everyone comfortably. I still regret making that error in judgment when estimating the spaces to use for supporting the masquerade.
How large is your stage expected to be? How much space will you need for lights? Tech? Judges?
How big have the last five CCs been at the SF masquerade and how many of those were onstage first?
Betsy

 

 

On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 10:10 AM, beckieboo817@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Hi, everyone,

This is for previous runners of Costume Cons….
What was the size of your main event room?  7,000?  8,000? 9,000?
I finally submitted my RFP to the local visitors and convention bureau and have this room being 10,000 square feet.  Of course, some of my favorite choices are coming back saying they can’t host because they don’t meet the requirements….I’m thinking I’m needing to drop this down a bit. One place with 9,600 sq ft could seat 1,000 theater style and that’s what we want, right?

 

 

 

 


Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2991 From: Sarah A Bloy Date: 3/22/2016
Subject: Re: Size of main event room

 

If it helps, ours for this year is 9600, which is more than we anticipate actually needing.

 

On March 22, 2016, at 9:31 AM, “Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

Not necessarily. Remember that a portion of your audience is actually likely to be on stage or backstage, so extra large space may not be as necessary as you think. Even with the larger cons, you want enough space for the stage and seating for those who aren’t competing, plus those who finished the competition but want to watch after they’re done with fan photo.

CCXV ran into trouble when we had over 100 bodies in competition at the SF masquerade, because the green room wasn’t large enough to handle everyone comfortably. I still regret making that error in judgment when estimating the spaces to use for supporting the masquerade.
How large is your stage expected to be? How much space will you need for lights? Tech? Judges?
How big have the last five CCs been at the SF masquerade and how many of those were onstage first?
Betsy

 

On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 10:10 AM, beckieboo817@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Hi, everyone,

This is for previous runners of Costume Cons….
What was the size of your main event room?  7,000?  8,000? 9,000?
I finally submitted my RFP to the local visitors and convention bureau and have this room being 10,000 square feet.  Of course, some of my favorite choices are coming back saying they can’t host because they don’t meet the requirements….I’m thinking I’m needing to drop this down a bit. One place with 9,600 sq ft could seat 1,000 theater style and that’s what we want, right?

 

 

 

 


Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2992 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 3/22/2016
Subject: Re: Size of main event room

Ask Kevin how big their main room was – I’d guess his numbers would align with yours best.

Nora

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 12:52 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Size of main event room

If it helps, ours for this year is 9600, which is more than we anticipate actually needing.

On March 22, 2016, at 9:31 AM, “Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Not necessarily. Remember that a portion of your audience is actually likely to be on stage or backstage, so extra large space may not be as necessary as you think. Even with the larger cons, you want enough space for the stage and seating for those who aren’t competing, plus those who finished the competition but want to watch after they’re done with fan photo.

CCXV ran into trouble when we had over 100 bodies in competition at the SF masquerade, because the green room wasn’t large enough to handle everyone comfortably. I still regret making that error in judgment when estimating the spaces to use for supporting the masquerade.

How large is your stage expected to be? How much space will you need for lights? Tech? Judges?

How big have the last five CCs been at the SF masquerade and how many of those were onstage first?

Betsy

On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 10:10 AM, beckieboo817@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi, everyone,

This is for previous runners of Costume Cons….

What was the size of your main event room? 7,000? 8,000? 9,000?

I finally submitted my RFP to the local visitors and convention bureau and have this room being 10,000 square feet. Of course, some of my favorite choices are coming back saying they can’t host because they don’t meet the requirements….I’m thinking I’m needing to drop this down a bit. One place with 9,600 sq ft could seat 1,000 theater style and that’s what we want, right?

Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 2993 From: Kevin Roche Date: 3/22/2016
Subject: Re: Size of main event room

My 3d models are still available in the Google Sketchup 3d world!

https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/collection.html?id=50f5306ccaab25a2fbf563775e4f7513

The Doubletree had two ballrooms with the same dimensions (but the lower floor had columns), so I modeled both for different uses.

Overall dimensions were approximately 71×142=10000 sq.ft. across four equal bays; we split one off for the green room and did a wide house design for the main stage, and used that all weekend. We used part of the lower ballroom for the fashion show, and part for the dealers room. All the models are in the collection.

https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model.html?id=3eae15a409ccc3f139ab9a829112caca

Kevin

Kevin

 

 

On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 3:31 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Ask Kevin how big their main room was – I’d guess his numbers would align with yours best.

Nora

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If it helps, ours for this year is 9600, which is more than we anticipate actually needing.

On March 22, 2016, at 9:31 AM, “Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Not necessarily. Remember that a portion of your audience is actually likely to be on stage or backstage, so extra large space may not be as necessary as you think. Even with the larger cons, you want enough space for the stage and seating for those who aren’t competing, plus those who finished the competition but want to watch after they’re done with fan photo.

CCXV ran into trouble when we had over 100 bodies in competition at the SF masquerade, because the green room wasn’t large enough to handle everyone comfortably. I still regret making that error in judgment when estimating the spaces to use for supporting the masquerade.

How large is your stage expected to be? How much space will you need for lights? Tech? Judges?

How big have the last five CCs been at the SF masquerade and how many of those were onstage first?

Betsy

On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 10:10 AM, beckieboo817@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi, everyone,

This is for previous runners of Costume Cons….

What was the size of your main event room?  7,000?  8,000? 9,000?

I finally submitted my RFP to the local visitors and convention bureau and have this room being 10,000 square feet.  Of course, some of my favorite choices are coming back saying they can’t host because they don’t meet the requirements….I’m thinking I’m needing to drop this down a bit. One place with 9,600 sq ft could seat 1,000 theater style and that’s what we want, right?

Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

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Group: runacc Message: 2994 From: ECM Date: 3/22/2016
Subject: Re: Size of main event room

 

Part of that sq footage will be used for green room & tech, but it’s plenty big enough.  As Betsy said, a huge percentage of the members won’t be sitting in those seats.


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Subject: Re: [runacc] Size of main event room

 

 

If it helps, ours for this year is 9600, which is more than we anticipate actually needing.

On March 22, 2016, at 9:31 AM, “Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

Not necessarily. Remember that a portion of your audience is actually likely to be on stage or backstage, so extra large space may not be as necessary as you think. Even with the larger cons, you want enough space for the stage and seating for those who aren’t competing, plus those who finished the competition but want to watch after they’re done with fan photo.

CCXV ran into trouble when we had over 100 bodies in competition at the SF masquerade, because the green room wasn’t large enough to handle everyone comfortably. I still regret making that error in judgment when estimating the spaces to use for supporting the masquerade.
How large is your stage expected to be? How much space will you need for lights? Tech? Judges?
How big have the last five CCs been at the SF masquerade and how many of those were onstage first?
Betsy

 

On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 10:10 AM, beckieboo817@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Hi, everyone,

This is for previous runners of Costume Cons….
What was the size of your main event room?  7,000?  8,000? 9,000?
I finally submitted my RFP to the local visitors and convention bureau and have this room being 10,000 square feet.  Of course, some of my favorite choices are coming back saying they can’t host because they don’t meet the requirements….I’m thinking I’m needing to drop this down a bit. One place with 9,600 sq ft could seat 1,000 theater style and that’s what we want, right?

 

 

 

 


Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2995 From: ECM Date: 3/22/2016
Subject: Re: Size of main event room

 

Part of that space will be used for green room & tech.  And, as Betsy said, a large number of those members won’t be using those seats anyway.


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Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2016 12:51:53 -0500
Subject: Re: [runacc] Size of main event room

 

 

If it helps, ours for this year is 9600, which is more than we anticipate actually needing.

On March 22, 2016, at 9:31 AM, “Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

Not necessarily. Remember that a portion of your audience is actually likely to be on stage or backstage, so extra large space may not be as necessary as you think. Even with the larger cons, you want enough space for the stage and seating for those who aren’t competing, plus those who finished the competition but want to watch after they’re done with fan photo.

CCXV ran into trouble when we had over 100 bodies in competition at the SF masquerade, because the green room wasn’t large enough to handle everyone comfortably. I still regret making that error in judgment when estimating the spaces to use for supporting the masquerade.
How large is your stage expected to be? How much space will you need for lights? Tech? Judges?
How big have the last five CCs been at the SF masquerade and how many of those were onstage first?
Betsy

 

On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 10:10 AM, beckieboo817@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Hi, everyone,

This is for previous runners of Costume Cons….
What was the size of your main event room?  7,000?  8,000? 9,000?
I finally submitted my RFP to the local visitors and convention bureau and have this room being 10,000 square feet.  Of course, some of my favorite choices are coming back saying they can’t host because they don’t meet the requirements….I’m thinking I’m needing to drop this down a bit. One place with 9,600 sq ft could seat 1,000 theater style and that’s what we want, right?

 

 

 

 


Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2996 From: ECM Date: 3/22/2016
Subject: Re: Size of main event room

 

YES!  What Kevin said!
And 9,600 is not that far off.

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Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2016 17:24:40 -0700
Subject: Re: [runacc] Size of main event room

 

My 3d models are still available in the Google Sketchup 3d world!

https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/collection.html?id=50f5306ccaab25a2fbf563775e4f7513

The Doubletree had two ballrooms with the same dimensions (but the lower floor had columns), so I modeled both for different uses.

Overall dimensions were approximately 71×142=10000 sq.ft. across four equal bays; we split one off for the green room and did a wide house design for the main stage, and used that all weekend. We used part of the lower ballroom for the fashion show, and part for the dealers room. All the models are in the collection.

https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model.html?id=3eae15a409ccc3f139ab9a829112caca

Kevin

Kevin

 

 

On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 3:31 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Ask Kevin how big their main room was – I’d guess his numbers would align with yours best.

Nora

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Subject: Re: [runacc] Size of main event room

If it helps, ours for this year is 9600, which is more than we anticipate actually needing.

On March 22, 2016, at 9:31 AM, “Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Not necessarily. Remember that a portion of your audience is actually likely to be on stage or backstage, so extra large space may not be as necessary as you think. Even with the larger cons, you want enough space for the stage and seating for those who aren’t competing, plus those who finished the competition but want to watch after they’re done with fan photo.

CCXV ran into trouble when we had over 100 bodies in competition at the SF masquerade, because the green room wasn’t large enough to handle everyone comfortably. I still regret making that error in judgment when estimating the spaces to use for supporting the masquerade.

How large is your stage expected to be? How much space will you need for lights? Tech? Judges?

How big have the last five CCs been at the SF masquerade and how many of those were onstage first?

Betsy

On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 10:10 AM, beckieboo817@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi, everyone,

This is for previous runners of Costume Cons….

What was the size of your main event room?  7,000?  8,000? 9,000?

I finally submitted my RFP to the local visitors and convention bureau and have this room being 10,000 square feet.  Of course, some of my favorite choices are coming back saying they can’t host because they don’t meet the requirements….I’m thinking I’m needing to drop this down a bit. One place with 9,600 sq ft could seat 1,000 theater style and that’s what we want, right?

Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

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Group: runacc Message: 2997 From: spiritof_76 Date: 3/22/2016
Subject: Re: Size of main event room

CC31 had 5184 for main events and 2808 for Green Room. IIRC, main
events was set for an audience of 300.

Michael

On 2016-03-22 07:10, beckieboo817@yahoo.com [runacc] wrote:
> Hi, everyone,
>
> This is for previous runners of Costume Cons….
>
> What was the size of your main event room? 7,000? 8,000? 9,000?
>
> I finally submitted my RFP to the local visitors and convention bureau
> and have this room being 10,000 square feet. Of course, some of my
> favorite choices are coming back saying they can’t host because they
> don’t meet the requirements….I’m thinking I’m needing to drop this
> down a bit. One place with 9,600 sq ft could seat 1,000 theater style
> and that’s what we want, right?
>
>
>
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>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2998 From: Sharon Sbarsky Date: 3/23/2016
Subject: Re: Size of main event room
Thanks Kevin!

What were your attendance and room nights?

Sharon

 

 

On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 8:24 PM, Kevin Roche kevin@twistedimage.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

My 3d models are still available in the Google Sketchup 3d world!

https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/collection.html?id=50f5306ccaab25a2fbf563775e4f7513

The Doubletree had two ballrooms with the same dimensions (but the lower floor had columns), so I modeled both for different uses.

Overall dimensions were approximately 71×142=10000 sq.ft. across four equal bays; we split one off for the green room and did a wide house design for the main stage, and used that all weekend. We used part of the lower ballroom for the fashion show, and part for the dealers room. All the models are in the collection.

https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model.html?id=3eae15a409ccc3f139ab9a829112caca

Kevin

Kevin

 

On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 3:31 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Ask Kevin how big their main room was – I’d guess his numbers would align with yours best.

Nora

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If it helps, ours for this year is 9600, which is more than we anticipate actually needing.

On March 22, 2016, at 9:31 AM, “Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Not necessarily. Remember that a portion of your audience is actually likely to be on stage or backstage, so extra large space may not be as necessary as you think. Even with the larger cons, you want enough space for the stage and seating for those who aren’t competing, plus those who finished the competition but want to watch after they’re done with fan photo.

CCXV ran into trouble when we had over 100 bodies in competition at the SF masquerade, because the green room wasn’t large enough to handle everyone comfortably. I still regret making that error in judgment when estimating the spaces to use for supporting the masquerade.

How large is your stage expected to be? How much space will you need for lights? Tech? Judges?

How big have the last five CCs been at the SF masquerade and how many of those were onstage first?

Betsy

On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 10:10 AM, beckieboo817@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi, everyone,

This is for previous runners of Costume Cons….

What was the size of your main event room?  7,000?  8,000? 9,000?

I finally submitted my RFP to the local visitors and convention bureau and have this room being 10,000 square feet.  Of course, some of my favorite choices are coming back saying they can’t host because they don’t meet the requirements….I’m thinking I’m needing to drop this down a bit. One place with 9,600 sq ft could seat 1,000 theater style and that’s what we want, right?

Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

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Group: runacc Message: 2999 From: marg1066 Date: 3/23/2016
Subject: Re: Size of main event room
At CC30, our main ballroom was 9384 sf. We used 3300 of it for the main green room, sectioned off with partitions, so leaving room for tech and stage, we had room left for probably 300 or so chairs.

 

Group: runacc Message: 3000 From: Sharon Sbarsky Date: 3/23/2016
Subject: Re: Attendance and room counts
I’d also be interested in attendance numbers. http://www.costume-con.org/gallery2/main.php has information for dates, locations, etc. but not attendance.

Can those numbers be posted here, or sent to me? Mostly interested for budgeting purposes, including room nights and function space sizes needed/used, F&B spent, etc.

Any budgets (especially with final numbers)  that can be shared would be useful as well.

Sharon

 

 

On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 5:43 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I could probably dig up figures for CC25, but they’re probably a little too out of date.  However, I can tell you that the region where you’re holding your Cc and whether there has been one there in the past will have a bearing on said numbers.

 

Bruce

 

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Subject: [runacc] Attendance and room counts

 

 

Hi everyone,

 

This is a question for the last 5 – 6 years of costume cons. I’m needing to give my supporting 501C3  reassurances of how viable a costume con is. So, would the people who have the info let me know what their attendance numbers were for their conventions and rooms sold and if possible what their room nights were for each night the week of the con?  I’m trying to prepare a report to give them.

 

I know the numbers for CC30. I’ve had some feed back from Kevin on hotel contracts and I think numbers. I know Dawn has told me some of what she has. But I’d still like a more complete picture.

 

So, what were the attendance numbers?

What were the total rooms sold? Can you break it down per night?

Did you break even or made a profit?  Or did you lose money?

 

I would appreciate any and all help.

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3001 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 3/23/2016
Subject: Re: Attendance and room counts

It’s an interesting set of statistics, but would be better maintained in a spreadsheet. Do we have data for the last 10? I wouldn’t go further back than that.

-Betsy

 

 

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 3:45 PM, Sharon Sbarsky sbarsky@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I’d also be interested in attendance numbers. http://www.costume-con.org/gallery2/main.php has information for dates, locations, etc. but not attendance.

Can those numbers be posted here, or sent to me? Mostly interested for budgeting purposes, including room nights and function space sizes needed/used, F&B spent, etc.

Any budgets (especially with final numbers)  that can be shared would be useful as well.

Sharon

 

On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 5:43 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I could probably dig up figures for CC25, but they’re probably a little too out of date.  However, I can tell you that the region where you’re holding your Cc and whether there has been one there in the past will have a bearing on said numbers.

 

Bruce

 

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To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] Attendance and room counts

 

 

Hi everyone,

 

This is a question for the last 5 – 6 years of costume cons. I’m needing to give my supporting 501C3  reassurances of how viable a costume con is. So, would the people who have the info let me know what their attendance numbers were for their conventions and rooms sold and if possible what their room nights were for each night the week of the con?  I’m trying to prepare a report to give them.

 

I know the numbers for CC30. I’ve had some feed back from Kevin on hotel contracts and I think numbers. I know Dawn has told me some of what she has. But I’d still like a more complete picture.

 

So, what were the attendance numbers?

What were the total rooms sold? Can you break it down per night?

Did you break even or made a profit?  Or did you lose money?

 

I would appreciate any and all help.

 

 

 

 


Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3002 From: Sharon Sbarsky Date: 3/23/2016
Subject: Re: Attendance and room counts
I started my post giving the long list of Worldcons and Smofcons as examples. Those are kept is pseudo spreadsheets as html table pages. I’ll be willing to setup a Google doc that can be shared (or embeded in the costume-con.org site.

Yes, the last 10 years are most relevant to budgeting and planning, but the ~25 years before is also useful for historical reasons. 😀

Can someone post the last 10 here? Or as many of them that are known? I didn’t search the entire archive of this group.

Sharon

 

 

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 4:01 PM, Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

It’s an interesting set of statistics, but would be better maintained in a spreadsheet. Do we have data for the last 10? I wouldn’t go further back than that.

-Betsy

 

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 3:45 PM, Sharon Sbarsky sbarsky@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I’d also be interested in attendance numbers. http://www.costume-con.org/gallery2/main.php has information for dates, locations, etc. but not attendance.

Can those numbers be posted here, or sent to me? Mostly interested for budgeting purposes, including room nights and function space sizes needed/used, F&B spent, etc.

Any budgets (especially with final numbers)  that can be shared would be useful as well.

Sharon

 

On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 5:43 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I could probably dig up figures for CC25, but they’re probably a little too out of date.  However, I can tell you that the region where you’re holding your Cc and whether there has been one there in the past will have a bearing on said numbers.

 

Bruce

 

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Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 9:03 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] Attendance and room counts

 

 

Hi everyone,

 

This is a question for the last 5 – 6 years of costume cons. I’m needing to give my supporting 501C3  reassurances of how viable a costume con is. So, would the people who have the info let me know what their attendance numbers were for their conventions and rooms sold and if possible what their room nights were for each night the week of the con?  I’m trying to prepare a report to give them.

 

I know the numbers for CC30. I’ve had some feed back from Kevin on hotel contracts and I think numbers. I know Dawn has told me some of what she has. But I’d still like a more complete picture.

 

So, what were the attendance numbers?

What were the total rooms sold? Can you break it down per night?

Did you break even or made a profit?  Or did you lose money?

 

I would appreciate any and all help.

 

 

 

 


Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3003 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 3/23/2016
Subject: Re: Attendance and room counts

The numbers for CCXV are on costume-con.org under ConStitution (as a sample, but it’s the final numbers we had).

You’re welcome to crib from that if you want. 8)
Betsy

 

 

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 4:29 PM, Sharon Sbarsky sbarsky@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I started my post giving the long list of Worldcons and Smofcons as examples. Those are kept is pseudo spreadsheets as html table pages. I’ll be willing to setup a Google doc that can be shared (or embeded in the costume-con.org site.

Yes, the last 10 years are most relevant to budgeting and planning, but the ~25 years before is also useful for historical reasons. 😀

Can someone post the last 10 here? Or as many of them that are known? I didn’t search the entire archive of this group.

Sharon

 

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 4:01 PM, Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

It’s an interesting set of statistics, but would be better maintained in a spreadsheet. Do we have data for the last 10? I wouldn’t go further back than that.

-Betsy

 

 

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 3:45 PM, Sharon Sbarsky sbarsky@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I’d also be interested in attendance numbers. http://www.costume-con.org/gallery2/main.php has information for dates, locations, etc. but not attendance.

Can those numbers be posted here, or sent to me? Mostly interested for budgeting purposes, including room nights and function space sizes needed/used, F&B spent, etc.

Any budgets (especially with final numbers)  that can be shared would be useful as well.

Sharon

 

On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 5:43 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I could probably dig up figures for CC25, but they’re probably a little too out of date.  However, I can tell you that the region where you’re holding your Cc and whether there has been one there in the past will have a bearing on said numbers.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 9:03 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] Attendance and room counts

 

 

Hi everyone,

 

This is a question for the last 5 – 6 years of costume cons. I’m needing to give my supporting 501C3  reassurances of how viable a costume con is. So, would the people who have the info let me know what their attendance numbers were for their conventions and rooms sold and if possible what their room nights were for each night the week of the con?  I’m trying to prepare a report to give them.

 

I know the numbers for CC30. I’ve had some feed back from Kevin on hotel contracts and I think numbers. I know Dawn has told me some of what she has. But I’d still like a more complete picture.

 

So, what were the attendance numbers?

What were the total rooms sold? Can you break it down per night?

Did you break even or made a profit?  Or did you lose money?

 

I would appreciate any and all help.

 

 

 

 



Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

 

 

 


Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

 

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Subject: Re: Panel speakers
Group: runacc Message: 2909 From: Byron Connell Date: 7/12/2015
Subject: Re: Panel speakers
Group: runacc Message: 2910 From: staceylee25 Date: 7/13/2015
Subject: Re: Panel speakers
Group: runacc Message: 2911 From: Kaijugal . Date: 7/16/2015
Subject: Re: Panel speakers
Group: runacc Message: 2912 From: Kaijugal . Date: 7/16/2015
Subject: Re: Panel speakers – Skills vs talking heads.
Group: runacc Message: 2913 From: spiritof_76 Date: 7/16/2015
Subject: Re: Panel speakers
Group: runacc Message: 2914 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/17/2015
Subject: Re: Panel speakers
Group: runacc Message: 2915 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 7/17/2015
Subject: Re: Panel speakers
Group: runacc Message: 2916 From: Byron Connell Date: 7/17/2015
Subject: Re: Panel speakers
Group: runacc Message: 2917 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/21/2015
Subject: Re: Panel speakers
Group: runacc Message: 2918 From: beckieboo817 Date: 7/22/2015
Subject: Desriptions
Group: runacc Message: 2919 From: Byron Connell Date: 7/22/2015
Subject: Re: Desriptions
Group: runacc Message: 2920 From: beckieboo817 Date: 7/22/2015
Subject: Re: Desriptions
Group: runacc Message: 2921 From: Kevin Roche Date: 7/22/2015
Subject: Re: Desriptions
Group: runacc Message: 2922 From: ECM Date: 7/22/2015
Subject: Re: Desriptions
Group: runacc Message: 2923 From: staceylee25 Date: 7/23/2015
Subject: heading off drama
Group: runacc Message: 2924 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 7/23/2015
Subject: Re: heading off drama
Group: runacc Message: 2925 From: Kevin Roche Date: 7/23/2015
Subject: Re: heading off drama
Group: runacc Message: 2926 From: Byron Connell Date: 7/23/2015
Subject: Re: heading off drama
Group: runacc Message: 2927 From: staceylee25 Date: 7/24/2015
Subject: Re: heading off drama
Group: runacc Message: 2928 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 7/24/2015
Subject: Re: heading off drama
Group: runacc Message: 2929 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/24/2015
Subject: Re: heading off drama
Group: runacc Message: 2930 From: Sarah A Bloy Date: 7/24/2015
Subject: Re: heading off drama
Group: runacc Message: 2931 From: Byron Connell Date: 7/24/2015
Subject: Re: heading off drama
Group: runacc Message: 2932 From: Tina Connell Date: 7/25/2015
Subject: Re: heading off drama
Group: runacc Message: 2933 From: Tina Connell Date: 7/25/2015
Subject: Re: heading off drama
Group: runacc Message: 2934 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/25/2015
Subject: Re: heading off drama
Group: runacc Message: 2935 From: Christine Connell Date: 7/26/2015
Subject: Re: heading off drama
Group: runacc Message: 2936 From: Sarah Bloy Date: 8/2/2015
Subject: Rare Recorded Video
Group: runacc Message: 2937 From: spiritof_76 Date: 8/3/2015
Subject: Re: Rare Recorded Video
Group: runacc Message: 2938 From: lisa A Date: 8/3/2015
Subject: Re: Rare Recorded Video
Group: runacc Message: 2939 From: ma0902432 Date: 8/3/2015
Subject: Re: Rare Recorded Video
Group: runacc Message: 2940 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 8/4/2015
Subject: Re: Rare Recorded Video
Group: runacc Message: 2941 From: Trudy Leonard Date: 8/4/2015
Subject: Re: Rare Recorded Video
Group: runacc Message: 2942 From: Kaijugal . Date: 8/13/2015
Subject: Re: Rare Recorded Video
Group: runacc Message: 2943 From: Kaijugal . Date: 8/13/2015
Subject: Re: heading off drama
Group: runacc Message: 2944 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 8/14/2015
Subject: Re: heading off drama
Group: runacc Message: 2945 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 8/14/2015
Subject: Re: heading off drama
Group: runacc Message: 2946 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 8/29/2015
Subject: The Costume-Con Archives – especially photos
Group: runacc Message: 2947 From: spiritof_76 Date: 8/29/2015
Subject: Re: The Costume-Con Archives – especially photos
Group: runacc Message: 2948 From: spiritof_76 Date: 8/29/2015
Subject: Costume-Con Award Ribbon Archives?
Group: runacc Message: 2949 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 8/29/2015
Subject: Re: The Costume-Con Archives – especially photos
Group: runacc Message: 2950 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 8/29/2015
Subject: Re: The Costume-Con Archives – especially photos
Group: runacc Message: 2951 From: Kevin Roche Date: 8/29/2015
Subject: Re: Costume-Con Award Ribbon Archives?
Group: runacc Message: 2952 From: axejudge Date: 8/29/2015
Subject: Re: The Costume-Con Archives – especially photos
Group: runacc Message: 2953 From: Christine Connell Date: 8/29/2015
Subject: Re: The Costume-Con Archives – especially photos

 


 

Group: runacc Message: 2904 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/8/2015
Subject: SLCG CC33 Review – Exhibits – Archival doc

 

 

Exhibit Room – mostly composed of a few of Janet Wilson Anderson’s competition pieces, plus one or two others.   The Archives provided material for a little “slide show” of Janet’s works. 

This one had one bright spot for me.  Having been at JW Anderson’s Making New Mistakes panel and hearing here discuss the My Fair Lady dress at some length, it was nice to be able to go to the exhibits and see the costume and documentation right there.  A real plus.

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2905 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/8/2015
Subject: SLCG CC33 Review – Dealers Room – Archival doc

 

 

Dealers Room – There were a whopping TWO dealers: one with beads, one with trim.  Both good dealers, for what they were, but….   How/why did this happen?   The story we heard was because originally, Janet was supposed to bring  AlterYears.

At the last minute, her travel plans changed and she had to fly instead, leaving a huge hole in the Dealers Room.   We suspect there had been no other dealers brought in so that Janet would have no competition or repetition of wares.   This completely backfired and it was too late to do anything about it.  To fill space, the  convention voting table was placed there, along with CC34’s promotion table and one for the SCA.    The rest of the room was taken up by Lisa’s “Miss LIzzy’s Travelling Historical Fashion Show”.   This was a pretty nice display of antique women’s clothing, but it wouldn’t have been in the Dealers Room had things not fallen through.

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2906 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/8/2015
Subject: SLCG CC33 Review – Last Recommendation – Archival doc

 

 

This one is about Staff: If someone foresees a year out that there may be something that may interfere with doing their job, there is nothing wrong with backing out – do not feel obligated.   Better to get out early so that the position can be filled,  rather than do it poorly and beg off that they’re “just a volunteer”.

Thus concludes the review.

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2907 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/12/2015
Subject: Panel speakers

 

 

New topic:

Those of you who go to more cons than us, we have a question:

Is it a trend that there are more costuming panels with one speaker/guest instead of a group of people?    We’ve attended a few events recently where the one person does one thing very well (foam armor, as an example)  but if asked about some other technique to use in addition (say, cloth mache), they are either at a loss or don’t know the proper use of said techniques.   while having an “expert” is certainly good, it seems to point to a problem with too much specialization.   As a result, there’s maybe 2 or three panels that teach ONE THING which people are very interested in, but there would appear to be a lack of sharing of general knowledge.   Sure you can go on line for just about anything these days, but there’s still the whole point of contact thing where panels should still have their place.

Does anyone else have observations about this, and is this something that CCs can do better?

Bruce

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2908 From: ECM Date: 7/12/2015
Subject: Re: Panel speakers

 

Bruce, I can see your point, but the segments are usually only 50 min. long.  That means that you might get 3 skills watered down to fit, or you get all-you-ever-wanted-to-know about one.  Not an easy choice.

Elaine


 

 

New topic:

Those of you who go to more cons than us, we have a question:

Is it a trend that there are more costuming panels with one speaker/guest instead of a group of people?    We’ve attended a few events recently where the one person does one thing very well (foam armor, as an example)  but if asked about some other technique to use in addition (say, cloth mache), they are either at a loss or don’t know the proper use of said techniques.   while having an “expert” is certainly good, it seems to point to a problem with too much specialization.   As a result, there’s maybe 2 or three panels that teach ONE THING which people are very interested in, but there would appear to be a lack of sharing of general knowledge.   Sure you can go on line for just about anything these days, but there’s still the whole point of contact thing where panels should still have their place.

Does anyone else have observations about this, and is this something that CCs can do better?

Bruce

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2909 From: Byron Connell Date: 7/12/2015
Subject: Re: Panel speakers

 

It’s not only a trend, it’s a fairly well-established one that has been building for several years.  It began with CCs and has spread to other types of events at which costuming is recognized (e.g., traditional sf cons).

 

I believe the trend has been stimulated by the demand by costumers for program items that teach skills.  Demand seems to have been increasing for increasingly specialized or esoteric skills and program chairs have been trying to meet the demand as best they can.  At Sasquan, apparently one of the costume program items will be titled something like “Sewing Without Patterns,” which strikes me as a pretty esoteric topic for a Worldcon.  (On the other hand, there usually are esoteric topic in other Worldcon program tracks.  Maybe we’re just catching up.)
As we’ve tried to attract new members to our events, we probably have seen a widening of the types of skills persons have sought to learn.    Of course, unless you’re already pretty familiar with a technique, you can’t learn much in one 50-minute session.  In line with the demand, we’re also seeing demand for 80 to 110 minute sessions, at least at CCs.  This eats further into the ability to provide a varied program and may be counter-productive to meeting the demand to learn new and different skills, at least within the time constraints of a weekend event.
Byron

 

On Jul 12, 2015, at 5:45 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

New topic:

Those of you who go to more cons than us, we have a question:

Is it a trend that there are more costuming panels with one speaker/guest instead of a group of people?    We’ve attended a few events recently where the one person does one thing very well (foam armor, as an example)  but if asked about some other technique to use in addition (say, cloth mache), they are either at a loss or don’t know the proper use of said techniques.   while having an “expert” is certainly good, it seems to point to a problem with too much specialization.   As a result, there’s maybe 2 or three panels that teach ONE THING which people are very interested in, but there would appear to be a lack of sharing of general knowledge.   Sure you can go on line for just about anything these days, but there’s still the whole point of contact thing where panels should still have their place.

Does anyone else have observations about this, and is this something that CCs can do better?

Bruce

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2910 From: staceylee25 Date: 7/13/2015
Subject: Re: Panel speakers
Eh, I don’t know that it’s a trend…maybe in some circles but not in any I’ve been running in. All the cons we’ve been to for CC34 this year have only had generic “beginner” panels and maybe a generic “advanced” panel. Meanwhile, we’ve submitted more specific-topic panels for Geek-kon and when we do, we have at least two people (more often than not, too many) per subject, like wigs or props or historical undergarments.

I can see where adding very specific costuming topics into the panel schedule is great for costumers, because there are a lot of really new and not necessarily easy methods, particularly for armor and props, that people want to see in person. As long as the topic is billed as ONLY about that method, then having one speaker teaching ONLY about that method is perfectly legit and it’s on the questioner for asking something unrelated. It’s like going to a panel about sewing and asking about wig styling. It’s not the solo panelist’s fault they can’t answer that question.

CC’s always been good about this, though, with some caveats year to year depending on who’s writing the panel descriptions and whether there’s good communication between the events head and the panelists. I don’t see anything wrong with a solo panelist, nor with a streamlined topic. Love ’em. Want more of ’em. Especially at CC where you’re coming to actually learn these specialized things and don’t need “cosplay 101” all over again. It really comes down to the panelist writing exactly what they mean to do (and sticking with it!!) and the events head making sure that the program book has that information, and a concise title for the panel, so people know what they’re walking into.

Stace

 

Group: runacc Message: 2911 From: Kaijugal . Date: 7/16/2015
Subject: Re: Panel speakers

 

“Is it a trend that there are more costuming panels with one speaker/guest instead of a group of people?”

It’s not a trend here,  (Toronto-Ottawa-Montreal triangle), that I am aware of. Most panels are still made up of 3-6 panelists.
I do see that with some newer conventions, it’s more common for the cosplay models, (which I will separate from the

costuming pros & costume community guests), to do solo panels on a subject. I imagine it helps keep the focus on them, and keeps them in “work”.

When I personally develop programming I tend to follow the traditions I grew up with:
Panels: 3-6 people
Demos: 1 specialist, possibly 1 or 2 satellite helpers/models
Workshops: Usually 1 person leading, with possible additional helpers.

Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2015 16:45:15 -0500
Subject: [runacc] Panel speakers

 

 

New topic:

Those of you who go to more cons than us, we have a question:

Is it a trend that there are more costuming panels with one speaker/guest instead of a group of people?    We’ve attended a few events recently where the one person does one thing very well (foam armor, as an example)  but if asked about some other technique to use in addition (say, cloth mache), they are either at a loss or don’t know the proper use of said techniques.   while having an “expert” is certainly good, it seems to point to a problem with too much specialization.   As a result, there’s maybe 2 or three panels that teach ONE THING which people are very interested in, but there would appear to be a lack of sharing of general knowledge.   Sure you can go on line for just about anything these days, but there’s still the whole point of contact thing where panels should still have their place.

Does anyone else have observations about this, and is this something that CCs can do better?

Bruce

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2912 From: Kaijugal . Date: 7/16/2015
Subject: Re: Panel speakers – Skills vs talking heads.

 

Byron wrote: “I believe the trend has been stimulated by the demand by costumers for program items that teach skills.”
I have to agree with what Byron says as well, (which plays into why I like to program and attend demos and workshops).

This is the reason why we tried to have so many demos at CC32, (e.g. the Turban wrapping one), because

many of the costumers have been at the game a long time, and as Elaine said, don’t need yet another Cosplay 101
talking heads panel. We have to appeal to those people as well as the new attendees.
Balance is a tricky thing. I’d be interested to see a breakdown of what type of panels people did, (or desired) to attend at
CC32, but the con is too far gone now. Perhaps that would make for an interesting study at future Costume-Cons. 🙂

Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2913 From: spiritof_76 Date: 7/16/2015
Subject: Re: Panel speakers
At a convention here in Denver, the Programming Director is very old
school. She doesn’t consider any programming item to have any real
value unless it’s a panel with 3-5 panelists with a moderator leading
the discussion with pre-assigned questions. Anything else is just a fan
panel and complete fluff. If you have a powerpoint presentation, you’re
a fan panel.

Michael

 

Group: runacc Message: 2914 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/17/2015
Subject: Re: Panel speakers

 

 

Dawn’s input aside, the weakness I see here is:

 

1.  If that person can’t do their panel, then that whole slot is lost, whereas other panelists could (hopefully) take up the slack.

2.   It becomes even more important to make sure your panelist is a good communicator.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2015 11:33 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] Re: Panel speakers

Eh, I don’t know that it’s a trend…maybe in some circles but not in any I’ve been running in. All the cons we’ve been to for CC34 this year have only had generic “beginner” panels and maybe a generic “advanced” panel. Meanwhile, we’ve submitted more specific-topic panels for Geek-kon and when we do, we have at least two people (more often than not, too many) per subject, like wigs or props or historical undergarments.

I can see where adding very specific costuming topics into the panel schedule is great for costumers, because there are a lot of really new and not necessarily easy methods, particularly for armor and props, that people want to see in person. As long as the topic is billed as ONLY about that method, then having one speaker teaching ONLY about that method is perfectly legit and it’s on the questioner for asking something unrelated. It’s like going to a panel about sewing and asking about wig styling. It’s not the solo panelist’s fault they can’t answer that question.

CC’s always been good about this, though, with some caveats year to year depending on who’s writing the panel descriptions and whether there’s good communication between the events head and the panelists. I don’t see anything wrong with a solo panelist, nor with a streamlined topic. Love ’em. Want more of ’em. Especially at CC where you’re coming to actually learn these specialized things and don’t need “cosplay 101” all over again. It really comes down to the panelist writing exactly what they mean to do (and sticking with it!!) and the events head making sure that the program book has that information, and a concise title for the panel, so people know what they’re walking into.

Stace

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2915 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 7/17/2015
Subject: Re: Panel speakers

I haven’t seen a shift to single-presenter panels. Single-presenter workshops, certainly. Single-presenter trunk shows, lectures and retrospectives, sure.

But panels? It’s not a “panel” if there’s only one presenter.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2916 From: Byron Connell Date: 7/17/2015
Subject: Re: Panel speakers

 

That’s certainly true.  However, I was speaking about program items, not “panels.”  I’ve given one-person lectures, myself, and I know of a lot of other types of one-person demos and workshops.  Bruce’s two comments are just as applicable to them as to “panels” of one person.

 

Byron

 

 

On Jul 17, 2015, at 2:44 PM, Andrew Trembley attrembl@bovil.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I haven’t seen a shift to single-presenter panels. Single-presenter workshops, certainly. Single-presenter trunk shows, lectures and retrospectives, sure.

But panels? It’s not a “panel” if there’s only one presenter.

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2917 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/21/2015
Subject: Re: Panel speakers

 

 

Yeah, I was pretty much using “panel” as a generic catch-all word.  but no one uses the word “lecture” in their programming listings, for obvious reasons.    “Workshops” are common, but some (not all) wind up being lectures.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 5:57 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Panel speakers

That’s certainly true.  However, I was speaking about program items, not “panels.”  I’ve given one-person lectures, myself, and I know of a lot of other types of one-person demos and workshops.  Bruce’s two comments are just as applicable to them as to “panels” of one person.

Byron

 

On Jul 17, 2015, at 2:44 PM, Andrew Trembley attrembl@bovil.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I haven’t seen a shift to single-presenter panels. Single-presenter workshops, certainly. Single-presenter trunk shows, lectures and retrospectives, sure.

 

But panels? It’s not a “panel” if there’s only one presenter.

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2918 From: beckieboo817 Date: 7/22/2015
Subject: Desriptions

Hi, Y’All

 

We’ve got the website set up kind of for CC36 (cc36sandiego.org) and if I could, I would like it if people could help with descriptions of the various masquerades.  I’m not sure where else to go to get descriptions that are adequate to explain what we’re expecting from the masses

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2919 From: Byron Connell Date: 7/22/2015
Subject: Re: Desriptions

 

These really do have to come from the MDs.  Anything else is guess-work.

 

Byron

 

 

On Jul 22, 2015, at 7:10 PM, beckieboo817@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Hi, Y’All

 

We’ve got the website set up kind of for CC36 (cc36sandiego.org) and if I could, I would like it if people could help with descriptions of the various masquerades.  I’m not sure where else to go to get descriptions that are adequate to explain what we’re expecting from the masses

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2920 From: beckieboo817 Date: 7/22/2015
Subject: Re: Desriptions
See, I wondered about that but I also wondered if these could just be a generic type of description.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2921 From: Kevin Roche Date: 7/22/2015
Subject: Re: Desriptions
You’re welcome to crib from the stuff that is still up on cc26.org 🙂

http://www.cc26.info/main.php?section=events

 

 

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 4:32 PM, beckieboo817@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

See, I wondered about that but I also wondered if these could just be a generic type of description.

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2922 From: ECM Date: 7/22/2015
Subject: Re: Desriptions

 

CC30.com is still there, too.


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 17:27:53 -0700
Subject: Re: [runacc] Desriptions

 

You’re welcome to crib from the stuff that is still up on cc26.org 🙂

http://www.cc26.info/main.php?section=events

 

 

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 4:32 PM, beckieboo817@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

See, I wondered about that but I also wondered if these could just be a generic type of description.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2923 From: staceylee25 Date: 7/23/2015
Subject: heading off drama

So I have a unique situation and would like some perspective from other past directors, green room staff, etc.

At CONvergence this year there was a performance that gave birth to a special snowflake of epic proportions. When she didn’t win, she took to Facebook lambasting everyone involved in the masquerade, from the judges to the director to who knows what. Another diva fed her ego by giving her incorrect facts he made by assumption, such as “the workmanship judges had no ICG experience” (one was the founder of MNSOC and the other was a former officer in MACS, both of whom have won Best in Show at Costume-Con), but this girl took it and ran with it, and her vitrol got so bad that the CVG masquerade director quit about a week after the con.

Now, I was a green room handler for this show, so I witnessed pretty much everything, and was observing in the deliberation room while the judges were deciding so I could snap up a Novice who didn’t win a major award and give them the free CC34 membership. I had no influence, I was merely an observer. The snowflake’s specific complaints are unfounded, she’s merely reacting out of a combo of severe sour grapes + unfortunate hinging of her mental state and coping skills on an award. However, now she has gone around to her friends and other costumers’ Facebooks openly declaring that she’s bringing this entry to CC34.

As the director for the SF&F, which she would be entering, how far is too far to go to balance her right to compete and bring a very nice costume to the stage versus preventing backstage drama and more sour grapes? We’ve all been witness to green room breakdowns and post-show griping about how the awards fell, hell we’ve probably been the ones to break down or complain. Lord knows I’ve lost my shit under stress. We also know plenty of people who are completely lovely 99% of the time but during a certain window of time before/during the masquerade, can become snowflakes themselves. So, I don’t want to blacklist her or lay extra rules on her just because I’ve witnessed her behavior, which stretched out for weeks after the con and involved slandering a lot of people who were only doing their jobs. But at the same time, I really don’t want her to pull this shit on CC in general. It’s not that we can’t handle drama, and I’m not ruffled from the director’s standpoint, but it’s a headache nobody really needs to deal with if we don’t have to.

I don’t want to give out too many details of her costume or performance in case some of my judges not-yet-picked are on the list, but it did involve set pieces which may be too large for our stage, plus some special effects which automatically violate CC’s rules. If she wanted to bring the entirety of her performance, she would have to cut out the effects entirely – which I think is actually the real point of her performance, not her costume so much – and depending on what we discover in terms of stage size and accessibility, her set pieces might (or might not) be too large for the stage. Technically, she should have been disqualified on the spot for violating the director’s permissions and putting glitter on the stage, but the director allowed her to be considered with the rest and she simply didn’t win an award. So, I do have inside knowledge that at least at CVG, she thought she could go over the director’s head and add an element to her performance that was not allowed. I’m actually less concerned about her taking to the internet to decry the unfairness of ICG rules and more concerned that she would pull a stunt like that and leave the stage covered in glitter and confetti and all she would get is a disqualification, while the stage crew is left cleaning up a mess before the photo run and all the other competitors would have to risk getting crap on their costumes.

Like I say, it’s sort of a unique situation in that I have inside information ahead of time. She isn’t yet registered for CC, but she sounds extremely determined to compete there. She seems to hold ICG-level competition in high regard, for what it’s worth.

Stace

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2924 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 7/23/2015
Subject: Re: heading off drama

Yanno…

There’s not a lot you can do to head off drama.

The first part (glitter) is what enforcing the rules is for. My entry blanks always include a photo release, a liability release, and an “I have read and understand the rules” release. I’m a lot less forgiving than I used to be on rules violations after I had a cheating incident in a masquerade we were running, and after I had a teenager not bring an axe to rehearsal and check it out with the weapons master at CC26, and then scare the hell out of the stage crew when she walked.

If the rules said “no messes on the stage” I would have informed the entrant she was disqualified and gone out before I handed the stage to the judges for awards and announced to the audience that the entry was disqualified.

 

 

The bad behavior? This is the kind of thing that a general code-of-conduct is meant to handle. I’m expecting that her reaction would be a perfect reason to eject her from the convention for code-of-conduct violations, and the rest of the people in the green room would cheer.

Depending on how bad her online behavior is, CVG might have reason to talk with her about conduct violations. Just because the last day of the con is past doesn’t mean that con-related harassment has to be tolerated.

Have a vacuum ready 😉

 

Group: runacc Message: 2925 From: Kevin Roche Date: 7/23/2015
Subject: Re: heading off drama
Also — you *were* a witness to her behavior in the green room and you *are* the F&SF director.

If she enters, it is not inappropriate for *you* to say *to her* that you expect her to follow the rules and the code of conduct, which her behavior would have violated had she been in a CC competition. You actually witnessed the behavior, after all, and are not operating from hearsay.

Kevin

 

 

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 10:13 AM, Andrew Trembley attrembl@bovil.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Yanno…

There’s not a lot you can do to head off drama.

The first part (glitter) is what enforcing the rules is for. My entry blanks always include a photo release, a liability release, and an “I have read and understand the rules” release. I’m a lot less forgiving than I used to be on rules violations after I had a cheating incident in a masquerade we were running, and after I had a teenager not bring an axe to rehearsal and check it out with the weapons master at CC26, and then scare the hell out of the stage crew when she walked.

If the rules said “no messes on the stage” I would have informed the entrant she was disqualified and gone out before I handed the stage to the judges for awards and announced to the audience that the entry was disqualified.

The bad behavior? This is the kind of thing that a general code-of-conduct is meant to handle. I’m expecting that her reaction would be a perfect reason to eject her from the convention for code-of-conduct violations, and the rest of the people in the green room would cheer.

Depending on how bad her online behavior is, CVG might have reason to talk with her about conduct violations. Just because the last day of the con is past doesn’t mean that con-related harassment has to be tolerated.

Have a vacuum ready 😉

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2926 From: Byron Connell Date: 7/23/2015
Subject: Re: heading off drama

 

Stace —

 

I agree with Kevin and Andy.  If, as I hope and expect, CC 34 has a code of conduct and informs every member that adherence to the code is required as a condition of membership, the con could revoke a person’s membership, if that’s the appropriate response to a violation.  However, that’s the con’s decision, not yours as MD.  As MD, however, you should enforce your rules, including any about leaving a mess on the stage.  For such a violation, I would pause the masquerade immediately, have the house lights turned up, and announce from the MC’s lectern that the entry has been disqualified for violation of the masquerade rules.  (I did that once when a bozo in the audience used flash photography, and required the offender be ejected from the room before the show would resume. My rules banned flash photography from the audience and the MC had told the audience so before the show began.)
You may want to think about briefing the tech director, the stage manager, the head ninja, the MC, and the person’s den mom about the potential for inappropriate behavior.  I’m not certain you should take this step; however, if you do, emphasize the need to keep the briefing in camera.
Byron

 

 

On Jul 23, 2015, at 1:18 PM, Kevin Roche kevin@twistedimage.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Also — you *were* a witness to her behavior in the green room and you *are* the F&SF director.

If she enters, it is not inappropriate for *you* to say *to her* that you expect her to follow the rules and the code of conduct, which her behavior would have violated had she been in a CC competition. You actually witnessed the behavior, after all, and are not operating from hearsay.

Kevin

 

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 10:13 AM, Andrew Trembley attrembl@bovil.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



Yanno…

There’s not a lot you can do to head off drama.

The first part (glitter) is what enforcing the rules is for. My entry blanks always include a photo release, a liability release, and an “I have read and understand the rules” release. I’m a lot less forgiving than I used to be on rules violations after I had a cheating incident in a masquerade we were running, and after I had a teenager not bring an axe to rehearsal and check it out with the weapons master at CC26, and then scare the hell out of the stage crew when she walked.

If the rules said “no messes on the stage” I would have informed the entrant she was disqualified and gone out before I handed the stage to the judges for awards and announced to the audience that the entry was disqualified.

The bad behavior? This is the kind of thing that a general code-of-conduct is meant to handle. I’m expecting that her reaction would be a perfect reason to eject her from the convention for code-of-conduct violations, and the rest of the people in the green room would cheer.

Depending on how bad her online behavior is, CVG might have reason to talk with her about conduct violations. Just because the last day of the con is past doesn’t mean that con-related harassment has to be tolerated.
Have a vacuum ready 😉



 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2927 From: staceylee25 Date: 7/24/2015
Subject: Re: heading off drama

Excellent advice, thanks guys. I’ll be able to formulate a prepared response based on those ideas.

I don’t think we have a code of conduct for CC34, however. I know all the contests have their rules posted, and if we don’t have a general weapons/costume policy posted we really should. Can you point me to an example of a code of conduct from a past CC or similar venue?

I mean, smaller cons always have rules but I don’t recall seeing some for CC before. Maybe I just never looked because I assumed we were all adults who knew how to handle ourselves and each other.

I’m probably also going to comb back through the SF&F rules to make sure there’s no ambiguous language. I feel like “don’t throw glitter on the stage” is already understood but I might want to state it outright.

Stace

—In runacc@yahoogroups.com, <byronpconnell@…> wrote :

Stace —

I agree with Kevin and Andy.  If, as I hope and expect, CC 34 has a code of conduct and informs every member that adherence to the code is required as a condition of membership, the con could revoke a person’s membership, if that’s the appropriate response to a violation.  However, that’s the con’s decision, not yours as MD.  As MD, however, you should enforce your rules, including any about leaving a mess on the stage.  For such a violation, I would pause the masquerade immediately, have the house lights turned up, and announce from the MC’s lectern that the entry has been disqualified for violation of the masquerade rules.  (I did that once when a bozo in the audience used flash photography, and required the offender be ejected from the room before the show would resume. My rules banned flash photography from the audience and the MC had told the audience so before the show began.)
You may want to think about briefing the tech director, the stage manager, the head ninja, the MC, and the person’s den mom about the potential for inappropriate behavior.  I’m not certain you should take this step; however, if you do, emphasize the need to keep the briefing in camera.
Byron

 

 

 

On Jul 23, 2015, at 1:18 PM, Kevin Roche kevin@… [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Also — you *were* a witness to her behavior in the green room and you *are* the F&SF director.

If she enters, it is not inappropriate for *you* to say *to her* that you expect her to follow the rules and the code of conduct, which her behavior would have violated had she been in a CC competition. You actually witnessed the behavior, after all, and are not operating from hearsay.

Kevin

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2928 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 7/24/2015
Subject: Re: heading off drama

 

 

On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 9:22 AM, staceylee25@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Excellent advice, thanks guys. I’ll be able to formulate a prepared response based on those ideas.

I don’t think we have a code of conduct for CC34, however. I know all the contests have their rules posted, and if we don’t have a general weapons/costume policy posted we really should. Can you point me to an example of a code of conduct from a past CC or similar venue?

I mean, smaller cons always have rules but I don’t recall seeing some for CC before. Maybe I just never looked because I assumed we were all adults who knew how to handle ourselves and each other.

I’m probably also going to comb back through the SF&F rules to make sure there’s no ambiguous language. I feel like “don’t throw glitter on the stage” is already understood but I might want to state it outright.

Stace

—In runacc@yahoogroups.com, <byronpconnell@…> wrote :

Stace —

I agree with Kevin and Andy.  If, as I hope and expect, CC 34 has a code of conduct and informs every member that adherence to the code is required as a condition of membership, the con could revoke a person’s membership, if that’s the appropriate response to a violation.  However, that’s the con’s decision, not yours as MD.  As MD, however, you should enforce your rules, including any about leaving a mess on the stage.  For such a violation, I would pause the masquerade immediately, have the house lights turned up, and announce from the MC’s lectern that the entry has been disqualified for violation of the masquerade rules.  (I did that once when a bozo in the audience used flash photography, and required the offender be ejected from the room before the show would resume. My rules banned flash photography from the audience and the MC had told the audience so before the show began.)
You may want to think about briefing the tech director, the stage manager, the head ninja, the MC, and the person’s den mom about the potential for inappropriate behavior.  I’m not certain you should take this step; however, if you do, emphasize the need to keep the briefing in camera.
Byron

 

 

 

On Jul 23, 2015, at 1:18 PM, Kevin Roche kevin@… [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Also — you *were* a witness to her behavior in the green room and you *are* the F&SF director.

If she enters, it is not inappropriate for *you* to say *to her* that you expect her to follow the rules and the code of conduct, which her behavior would have violated had she been in a CC competition. You actually witnessed the behavior, after all, and are not operating from hearsay.

Kevin

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2929 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/24/2015
Subject: Re: heading off drama

 

 

I can’t add too much to this – Andy and Kevin pretty much covered it all.   Al I’d say is that glitter should be considered as part of the rule against “no messy substances”.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 11:54 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] heading off drama

So I have a unique situation and would like some perspective from other past directors, green room staff, etc.

At CONvergence this year there was a performance that gave birth to a special snowflake of epic proportions. When she didn’t win, she took to Facebook lambasting everyone involved in the masquerade, from the judges to the director to who knows what. Another diva fed her ego by giving her incorrect facts he made by assumption, such as “the workmanship judges had no ICG experience” (one was the founder of MNSOC and the other was a former officer in MACS, both of whom have won Best in Show at Costume-Con), but this girl took it and ran with it, and her vitrol got so bad that the CVG masquerade director quit about a week after the con.

Now, I was a green room handler for this show, so I witnessed pretty much everything, and was observing in the deliberation room while the judges were deciding so I could snap up a Novice who didn’t win a major award and give them the free CC34 membership. I had no influence, I was merely an observer. The snowflake’s specific complaints are unfounded, she’s merely reacting out of a combo of severe sour grapes + unfortunate hinging of her mental state and coping skills on an award. However, now she has gone around to her friends and other costumers’ Facebooks openly declaring that she’s bringing this entry to CC34.

As the director for the SF&F, which she would be entering, how far is too far to go to balance her right to compete and bring a very nice costume to the stage versus preventing backstage drama and more sour grapes? We’ve all been witness to green room breakdowns and post-show griping about how the awards fell, hell we’ve probably been the ones to break down or complain. Lord knows I’ve lost my shit under stress. We also know plenty of people who are completely lovely 99% of the time but during a certain window of time before/during the masquerade, can become snowflakes themselves. So, I d! on’t want to blacklist her or lay extra rules on her just because I’ve witnessed her behavior, which stretched out for weeks after the con and involved slandering a lot of people who were only doing their jobs. But at the same time, I really don’t want her to pull this shit on CC in general. It’s not that we can’t handle drama, and I’m not ruffled from the director’s standpoint, but it’s a headache nobody really needs to deal with if we don’t have to.

I don’t want to give out too many details of her costume or performance in case some of my judges not-yet-picked are on the list, but it did involve set pieces which may be too large for our stage, plus some special effects which automatically violate CC’s rules. If she wanted to bring the entirety of her performance, she would have to cut out the effects entirely – which I think is actually the real point of her performance, not her costume so much – and depending on what we discover in terms of stage size and accessibility, her set pieces might (or might not) be too large for the stage. Technically, she should have been disqualified on the spot for violating the director’s permissions and putting glitter on the stage, but the director allowed her to be considered with the rest and she simply didn’t win an award. So, I do have inside knowledge that at least at CVG, she thought she could go over the director’s head and add an element to her performance that was not allowed. I’m actually less concerned about her taking to the internet to decry the unfairness of ICG rules and more concerned that she would pull a stunt like that and leave the stage covered in glitter and confetti and all she would get is a disqualification, while the stage crew is left cleaning up a mess before the photo run and all the other competitors would have to risk getting crap on their costumes.

Like I say, it’s sort of a unique situation in that I have inside information ahead of time. She isn’t yet registered ! for CC, but she sounds extremely determined to compete there. She seems to hold ICG-level competition in high regard, for what it’s worth.

Stace

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2930 From: Sarah A Bloy Date: 7/24/2015
Subject: Re: heading off drama

 

A code of conduct for members at CC34 is not out of the realm of possibility.

 

On July 24, 2015, at 12:05 PM, “Andrew Trembley attrembl@bovil.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 9:22 AM, staceylee25@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Excellent advice, thanks guys. I’ll be able to formulate a prepared response based on those ideas.

I don’t think we have a code of conduct for CC34, however. I know all the contests have their rules posted, and if we don’t have a general weapons/costume policy posted we really should. Can you point me to an example of a code of conduct from a past CC or similar venue?

I mean, smaller cons always have rules but I don’t recall seeing some for CC before. Maybe I just never looked because I assumed we were all adults who knew how to handle ourselves and each other.

I’m probably also going to comb back through the SF&F rules to make sure there’s no ambiguous language. I feel like “don’t throw glitter on the stage” is already understood but I might want to state it outright.

Stace

—In runacc@yahoogroups.com, <byronpconnell@…> wrote :

Stace —

I agree with Kevin and Andy.  If, as I hope and expect, CC 34 has a code of conduct and informs every member that adherence to the code is required as a condition of membership, the con could revoke a person’s membership, if that’s the appropriate response to a violation.  However, that’s the con’s decision, not yours as MD.  As MD, however, you should enforce your rules, including any about leaving a mess on the stage.  For such a violation, I would pause the masquerade immediately, have the house lights turned up, and announce from the MC’s lectern that the entry has been disqualified for violation of the masquerade rules.  (I did that once when a bozo in the audience used flash photography, and required the offender be ejected from the room before the show would resume. My rules banned flash photography from the audience and the MC had told the audience so before the show began.)
You may want to think about briefing the tech director, the stage manager, the head ninja, the MC, and the person’s den mom about the potential for inappropriate behavior.  I’m not certain you should take this step; however, if you do, emphasize the need to keep the briefing in camera.
Byron

 

 

 

On Jul 23, 2015, at 1:18 PM, Kevin Roche kevin@… [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Also — you *were* a witness to her behavior in the green room and you *are* the F&SF director.

If she enters, it is not inappropriate for *you* to say *to her* that you expect her to follow the rules and the code of conduct, which her behavior would have violated had she been in a CC competition. You actually witnessed the behavior, after all, and are not operating from hearsay.

Kevin

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2931 From: Byron Connell Date: 7/24/2015
Subject: Re: heading off drama

 

CC 33’s harassment policy is at http://cc33charleston.org/wp/harassment-policy/  Of course, this isn’t a full code of conduct.

 

Byron

 

 

On Jul 24, 2015, at 7:35 PM, Sarah A Bloy berzerker.prime@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

A code of conduct for members at CC34 is not out of the realm of possibility.



On July 24, 2015, at 12:05 PM, “Andrew Trembley attrembl@bovil.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

 

On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 9:22 AM, staceylee25@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



Excellent advice, thanks guys. I’ll be able to formulate a prepared response based on those ideas.

I don’t think we have a code of conduct for CC34, however. I know all the contests have their rules posted, and if we don’t have a general weapons/costume policy posted we really should. Can you point me to an example of a code of conduct from a past CC or similar venue?

I mean, smaller cons always have rules but I don’t recall seeing some for CC before. Maybe I just never looked because I assumed we were all adults who knew how to handle ourselves and each other.

I’m probably also going to comb back through the SF&F rules to make sure there’s no ambiguous language. I feel like “don’t throw glitter on the stage” is already understood but I might want to state it outright.

Stace



—In runacc@yahoogroups.com, <byronpconnell@…> wrote :

Stace —

I agree with Kevin and Andy.  If, as I hope and expect, CC 34 has a code of conduct and informs every member that adherence to the code is required as a condition of membership, the con could revoke a person’s membership, if that’s the appropriate response to a violation.  However, that’s the con’s decision, not yours as MD.  As MD, however, you should enforce your rules, including any about leaving a mess on the stage.  For such a violation, I would pause the masquerade immediately, have the house lights turned up, and announce from the MC’s lectern that the entry has been disqualified for violation of the masquerade rules.  (I did that once when a bozo in the audience used flash photography, and required the offender be ejected from the room before the show would resume. My rules banned flash photography from the audience and the MC had told the audience so before the show began.)
You may want to think about briefing the tech director, the stage manager, the head ninja, the MC, and the person’s den mom about the potential for inappropriate behavior.  I’m not certain you should take this step; however, if you do, emphasize the need to keep the briefing in camera.
Byron

 

 

 

On Jul 23, 2015, at 1:18 PM, Kevin Roche kevin@… [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Also — you *were* a witness to her behavior in the green room and you *are* the F&SF director.

If she enters, it is not inappropriate for *you* to say *to her* that you expect her to follow the rules and the code of conduct, which her behavior would have violated had she been in a CC competition. You actually witnessed the behavior, after all, and are not operating from hearsay.

Kevin

 

 

 

 



 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2932 From: Tina Connell Date: 7/25/2015
Subject: Re: heading off drama
​I was talking to Byron about this while we were out running errands yesterday, and my reaction was that making a mess on stage should be considered like flash photography — ‘if you make a mess (in violation of the previously signed masquerade rules), the masquerade will be stopped until the contestant goes back on stage and completely cleans up his/her mess, or the contestant will be automatically disqualified.’  If you wanted, you could clarify ‘messy’ as ‘substances that may adhere to other costumes or clothing, such as but not limited to, glitter or sequins.’  Same thing with the weapons policy: if you break it, you’re broke (disqualified). You’re still almost a year out, so a change now shouldn’t raise eyebrows. Each contestant should, in any case, be given a copy to take with them, when they sign off on the masq. rules, so they can’t claim they didn’t know, after the fact.
The cautions in the Further Confusion Code of Conduct regarding body paint and hotel furniture are good ones. (Asking the hotel in writing to make available old ratty towels & washcloths for those in body makeup to clean up would be good, if the con com has not already done so.)
I would add to the masquerade rules or code of conduct cautions against body paint vs. other people’s costumes. There’s always somebody who is either oblivious or feels entitled, or who thinks that such considerations don’t apply to them. I personally was exposed to this attitude quite a while back. A very well-known and respected costumer (many years ago) was in full body blue grease paint, and I was den-momming a young lady in a snow white gown who was just ahead of her in the queue to go on stage. Every time I interposed myself between them (the person in blue kept impatiently crowding forward to within an inch or two) I got the nastiest looks from the encroacher for daring to think that a white costume might need to be protected from her grease paint.
Silly String: We found out the hard way when running a local con: SS will adhere to, and can stain, vinyl coated wallpaper, at least as it used to be formulated. The people in the affected guest room had to shell out quite a bit of money for the necessary redecorating and loss of service time.
Tina Connell

 

Group: runacc Message: 2933 From: Tina Connell Date: 7/25/2015
Subject: Re: heading off drama
PS to my previous: In the case of pre-con entries, a copy of both the masq. rules and CoC could be sent back to the entrants along with the confirmation that their entry had been received. ​They may not bother reading them, but you’ll have documented proof that they were informed in advance.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2934 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/25/2015
Subject: Re: heading off drama

 

 

I would think they’d have to sign something like that at the time of registration.   One would hope they’d at least read it before signing ANYthing.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 8:17 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] Re: heading off drama

PS to my previous: In the case of pre-con entries, a copy of both the masq. rules and CoC could be sent back to the entrants along with the confirmation that their entry had been received. ​They may not bother reading them, but you’ll have documented proof that they were informed in advance.

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2935 From: Christine Connell Date: 7/26/2015
Subject: Re: heading off drama

 

Bruce, one always hopes that the contestants will read all of the paperworks, but we also know that there are always people who don’t, and then act aggrieved because the rules they agreed to came back to haunt them. “But why can’t I do (whatever)?” “Did you read the rules? It says right there in black and white that contestants can’t do (whatever) for safety reasons.” “Well, uh, not all the way through — there was a lot to read and I didn’t take the time.”

 

Tina

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2936 From: Sarah Bloy Date: 8/2/2015
Subject: Rare Recorded Video
Greetings all!

I’ve been trying to get in touch with the folks from Rare Recorded Video for a few months now, but I keep getting met with echoing silence.  Can anyone put me in contact with them?

Thanks.

Sarah

CC34 Chair

 

Group: runacc Message: 2937 From: spiritof_76 Date: 8/3/2015
Subject: Re: Rare Recorded Video

Have you tried Eric Cannon on Facebook?

Michael

On 2015-08-02 18:32, Sarah Bloy berzerker.prime@gmail.com [runacc]
wrote:

> Greetings all!
>
> I’ve been trying to get in touch with the folks from Rare Recorded
> Video for a few months now, but I keep getting met with echoing
> silence.  Can anyone put me in contact with them?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Sarah
> CC34 Chair

 

Group: runacc Message: 2938 From: lisa A Date: 8/3/2015
Subject: Re: Rare Recorded Video

 

When I get back to my laptop I will email them for you
Lisa
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone

 

——– Original message ——–
From: “Sarah Bloy berzerker.prime@gmail.com [runacc]”
Date:08/02/2015 9:32 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] Rare Recorded Video
Greetings all!

I’ve been trying to get in touch with the folks from Rare Recorded Video for a few months now, but I keep getting met with echoing silence.  Can anyone put me in contact with them?

Thanks.

Sarah

CC34 Chair

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2939 From: ma0902432 Date: 8/3/2015
Subject: Re: Rare Recorded Video
Sarah, PM me on FB or text me, and I Can give you Eric’s cell phone
number.

Also try: RRVFRIENDS@YAHOO.COM

I”m guessing you already did though.

Lisa a

On Sun, 2 Aug 2015 20:32:09 -0500 “Sarah Bloy berzerker.prime@gmail.com
[runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

Greetings all!

I’ve been trying to get in touch with the folks from Rare Recorded Video
for a few months now, but I keep getting met with echoing silence. Can
anyone put me in contact with them?

Thanks.

Sarah

CC34 Chair

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Group: runacc Message: 2940 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 8/4/2015
Subject: Re: Rare Recorded Video
That email should supposedly work, but he’s also slow about answering. Took about a week or more for me to hear back from him.

Bruce

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 11:39 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Rare Recorded Video

Sarah, PM me on FB or text me, and I Can give you Eric’s cell phone number.

Also try: RRVFRIENDS@YAHOO.COM

I”m guessing you already did though.

Lisa a

On Sun, 2 Aug 2015 20:32:09 -0500 “Sarah Bloy berzerker.prime@gmail.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

Greetings all!

I’ve been trying to get in touch with the folks from Rare Recorded Video for a few months now, but I keep getting met with echoing silence. Can anyone put me in contact with them?

Thanks.

Sarah

CC34 Chair

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Group: runacc Message: 2941 From: Trudy Leonard Date: 8/4/2015
Subject: Re: Rare Recorded Video

 

I know that they’ve been traveling a fair amount this summer, too. May take them a while to catch up on everything.

Trudy


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 07:13:19 -0500
Subject: RE: [runacc] Rare Recorded Video

 

That email should supposedly work, but he’s also slow about answering. Took about a week or more for me to hear back from him.

Bruce

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From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 11:39 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Rare Recorded Video

Sarah, PM me on FB or text me, and I Can give you Eric’s cell phone number.

Also try: RRVFRIENDS@YAHOO.COM

I”m guessing you already did though.

Lisa a

On Sun, 2 Aug 2015 20:32:09 -0500 “Sarah Bloy berzerker.prime@gmail.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

Greetings all!

I’ve been trying to get in touch with the folks from Rare Recorded Video for a few months now, but I keep getting met with echoing silence. Can anyone put me in contact with them?

Thanks.

Sarah

CC34 Chair

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Group: runacc Message: 2942 From: Kaijugal . Date: 8/13/2015
Subject: Re: Rare Recorded Video

 

Do they no longer use rrvorders@att.net ?

Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 08:21:43 -0400
Subject: RE: [runacc] Rare Recorded Video

 

 

I know that they’ve been traveling a fair amount this summer, too. May take them a while to catch up on everything.

Trudy


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
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Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 07:13:19 -0500
Subject: RE: [runacc] Rare Recorded Video

 

That email should supposedly work, but he’s also slow about answering. Took about a week or more for me to hear back from him.

Bruce

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Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 11:39 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Rare Recorded Video

Sarah, PM me on FB or text me, and I Can give you Eric’s cell phone number.

Also try: RRVFRIENDS@YAHOO.COM

I”m guessing you already did though.

Lisa a

On Sun, 2 Aug 2015 20:32:09 -0500 “Sarah Bloy berzerker.prime@gmail.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

Greetings all!

I’ve been trying to get in touch with the folks from Rare Recorded Video for a few months now, but I keep getting met with echoing silence. Can anyone put me in contact with them?

Thanks.

Sarah

CC34 Chair

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Group: runacc Message: 2943 From: Kaijugal . Date: 8/13/2015
Subject: Re: heading off drama

 

Of course there will always be the egregious rule breakers who even when told not to something

will do it anyhow, (because by the time they have done it, it will already be too late and they know it), case in point the foam shooting dalek at CC32.

The best we can do is be clear up front what the rules and expectations are, and enforce those expectations by excluding repeat offenders, and those who’s bad behavior threatens others from our future shows and masquerades.

They will throw tantrums, and call you a tyrant and worse, but it’s our job as directors to choose between sparing ourselves the slings and arrows of the badly behaved and the greater good of the costuming community at large.


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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2015 08:54:43 -0400
Subject: [runacc] Re: heading off drama

 

Bruce, one always hopes that the contestants will read all of the paperworks, but we also know that there are always people who don’t, and then act aggrieved because the rules they agreed to came back to haunt them. “But why can’t I do (whatever)?” “Did you read the rules? It says right there in black and white that contestants can’t do (whatever) for safety reasons.” “Well, uh, not all the way through — there was a lot to read and I didn’t take the time.”

Tina

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2944 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 8/14/2015
Subject: Re: heading off drama
And if they violate the rules – you disqualify them. I too point at the
Dalek.

Nora

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 9:51 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [runacc] Re: heading off drama

Of course there will always be the egregious rule breakers who even when
told not to something

will do it anyhow, (because by the time they have done it, it will already
be too late and they know it), case in point the foam shooting dalek at
CC32.

The best we can do is be clear up front what the rules and expectations are,
and enforce those expectations by excluding repeat offenders, and those
who’s bad behavior threatens others from our future shows and masquerades.

They will throw tantrums, and call you a tyrant and worse, but it’s our job
as directors to choose between sparing ourselves the slings and arrows of
the badly behaved and the greater good of the costuming community at large.

_____

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2015 08:54:43 -0400
Subject: [runacc] Re: heading off drama

Bruce, one always hopes that the contestants will read all of the
paperworks, but we also know that there are always people who don’t, and
then act aggrieved because the rules they agreed to came back to haunt them.
“But why can’t I do (whatever)?” “Did you read the rules? It says right
there in black and white that contestants can’t do (whatever) for safety
reasons.” “Well, uh, not all the way through – there was a lot to read and I
didn’t take the time.”

Tina

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 2945 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 8/14/2015
Subject: Re: heading off drama
Drama is always worse when you don’t enforce the rules.

 

 

On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 3:57 PM ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

And if they violate the rules – you disqualify them. I too point at the
Dalek.

Nora

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 9:51 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [runacc] Re: heading off drama

Of course there will always be the egregious rule breakers who even when
told not to something

will do it anyhow, (because by the time they have done it, it will already
be too late and they know it), case in point the foam shooting dalek at
CC32.

The best we can do is be clear up front what the rules and expectations are,
and enforce those expectations by excluding repeat offenders, and those
who’s bad behavior threatens others from our future shows and masquerades.

They will throw tantrums, and call you a tyrant and worse, but it’s our job
as directors to choose between sparing ourselves the slings and arrows of
the badly behaved and the greater good of the costuming community at large.

_____

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2015 08:54:43 -0400
Subject: [runacc] Re: heading off drama

Bruce, one always hopes that the contestants will read all of the
paperworks, but we also know that there are always people who don’t, and
then act aggrieved because the rules they agreed to came back to haunt them.
“But why can’t I do (whatever)?” “Did you read the rules? It says right
there in black and white that contestants can’t do (whatever) for safety
reasons.” “Well, uh, not all the way through – there was a lot to read and I
didn’t take the time.”

Tina

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Group: runacc Message: 2946 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 8/29/2015
Subject: The Costume-Con Archives – especially photos

 

 

A recent post to the CC34 FB page prompted this thought.

Of course we’d be the ones to bring up a question like this!   We’re such wonks when it comes to this stuff.

So, we were talking about  the fact that we’d not gotten the official photos from CC33 yet – we understand that Ken has been pretty busy and only recently started sending stuff out.   But this raised a few questions.   Perhaps some of this can only be answered by Karen, since she’s the Service Mark holder, but there are also other questions/points of interest for pending/future CC committees should be thinking about.

As many of you know, Nora has been helping Karen by getting the official CC photos uploaded to the CC Gallery site, as well as providing the data for said photos.    She reminded them to take into account with their official photographer to make sure that a set is produced for the convention archives.

This got us to thinking.   Thanks to Betsy’s efforts (and others) somehow, the site has a pretty complete record of the major events, and some of the ancillary ones like the Doll Shows, etc.    However, in recent year, it’s become more difficult to obtain the official photos (and sometimes the data) in a timely manner – and in one or two cases, at all.   It has been our assumption that the concoms were required to provide these materials, as part of the Constitution.   But I did a little digging, and discovered that this is not actually specifically delineated.   The closest reference I found that might apply was in paragraph  1.2 Costume-Con Conference Licensing: “Additionally, the Costume-Con conference committee shall send one copy of all publications to the Service Mark Holders to assure that the requirements of 1.1.1 are being maintained.”

 

To us, this is pretty vague for applying to what is, supposedly, one of the most important functions of maintaining  records.   And that seems to be more about pubs before the convention.    Pierre’s always been good about snatching up running lists, and Byron always makes sure both Archives gets the records from the shows he runs.   In the past, there’s always just been a  reliance on individuals and the photographers to get the necessary materials.   To our knowledge, some of the sets of photos used on the CC site have been paid for out of pocket either by Pierre, maybe one or two by us, and some have been provided by the conventions.

I’ve run this thought past Karen, and we (Nora and me) are thinking something needs to be defined more clearly in the Constitution about making it a requirement of the concoms to make sure all records are collected and turned over to the CC Archives.   I would think, since our hobby is now a recognized art form, this becomes even more important for the future.

I think another thing, specifically, needs to be a set of photos needs to be part of a concom’s budget.   In the case of CC21, I can’t access the site at this writing (the site appears to be having problems), but I remember photos being hideously expensive so purchasing an entire set of pictures was not affordable  – can Henry confirm there was/is a representative photo from all the events?   As a separate , for the purposes of promotion of the con, should there be a certain timeliness to getting  photos to the Archives?   Or, with social media, does it matter as much?   (Keeping in mind that no one has the same access to social media.)

Thoughts and suggestions as to wording for an amendment Karen can make?

Bruce

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2947 From: spiritof_76 Date: 8/29/2015
Subject: Re: The Costume-Con Archives – especially photos
I made it part of my deal with the photographer to get a set for the
convention.

Michael
CC31

 

Group: runacc Message: 2948 From: spiritof_76 Date: 8/29/2015
Subject: Costume-Con Award Ribbon Archives?
An idea I’ve had for a while and prompted by Bruce’s post about photos.
What about putting together a visual archive of CC award ribbons? I’m
sure the Pettingers have most of them. 😉

Michael

 

Group: runacc Message: 2949 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 8/29/2015
Subject: Re: The Costume-Con Archives – especially photos
I kinda suspected that. Much appreciated.

Bruce

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Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2015 11:31 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] The Costume-Con Archives – especially photos

I made it part of my deal with the photographer to get a set for the convention.

Michael
CC31

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Group: runacc Message: 2950 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 8/29/2015
Subject: Re: The Costume-Con Archives – especially photos
I used to deal directly with the con chair and the photographer to get the photos. As you may have noticed, CC21 was a particularly tough deal, as the need for archives was not adequately expressed to the photographer in question, and it took some doing to get whatever there was from him.
Yes, I think it should be part of the ConStitution. Yes, I think CC committees ought to budget for it. And yes, I think EVERY coordinator of every event ought to be thinking about the archives and storing the data long term, not just on websites that are just for the con. When I launched Costume-ConNections in the 90s, the web was still relatively new. It took over a year just to acquire what was there, and in some cases even longer as it was proved that there were no official photos for some costumes. And it was a conscious decision on my part to concentrate only on competitions and not on the other possible sources of photos, because we were already in the 10s of thousands for images.
Archivists shouldn’t have to beg for run lists and awards lists and for photos and video. These things should come automatically and be planned for in advance, not afterthoughts for after the event is over.
My not so humble opinion, born of years of legwork running down the materials I did collect from the first 25 years of CC history.
Your mileage may vary.
Betsy

 

 

On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 1:17 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I kinda suspected that.   Much appreciated.

Bruce

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Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2015 11:31 AM
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Subject: Re: [runacc] The Costume-Con Archives – especially photos

I made it part of my deal with the photographer to get a set for the convention.

Michael
CC31

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Group: runacc Message: 2951 From: Kevin Roche Date: 8/29/2015
Subject: Re: Costume-Con Award Ribbon Archives?

I believe cc26 donated a set to both the ICG archives and the Fan Archives

On Saturday, August 29, 2015, bruno@soulmasque.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

An idea I’ve had for a while and prompted by Bruce’s post about photos.
What about putting together a visual archive of CC award ribbons?  I’m
sure the Pettingers have most of them.  😉

Michael

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Group: runacc Message: 2952 From: axejudge Date: 8/29/2015
Subject: Re: The Costume-Con Archives – especially photos

My comment is that the photographer should be *required* to photograph ALL events – not just the masquerades.  This has been a problem in recent years.

Karen

 

On 2015-08-29 16:21, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] wrote:

 

 

A recent post to the CC34 FB page prompted this thought.

Of course we’d be the ones to bring up a question like this!   We’re such wonks when it comes to this stuff.

So, we were talking about  the fact that we’d not gotten the official photos from CC33 yet – we understand that Ken has been pretty busy and only recently started sending stuff out.   But this raised a few questions.   Perhaps some of this can only be answered by Karen, since she’s the Service Mark holder, but there are also other questions/points of interest for pending/future CC committees should be thinking about.

As many of you know, Nora has been helping Karen by getting the official CC photos uploaded to the CC Gallery site, as well as providing the data for said photos.    She reminded them to take into account with their official photographer to make sure that a set is produced for the convention archives.

This got us to thinking.   Thanks to Betsy’s efforts (and others) somehow, the site has a pretty complete record of the major events, and some of the ancillary ones like the Doll Shows, etc.    However, in recent year, it’s become more difficult to obtain the official photos (and sometimes the data) in a timely manner – and in one or two cases, at all.   It has been our assumption that the concoms were required to provide these materials, as part of the Constitution.   But I did a little digging, and discovered that this is not actually specifically delineated.   The closest reference I found that might apply was in paragraph  1.2 Costume-Con Conference Licensing: “Additionally, the Costume-Con conference committee shall send one copy of all publications to the Service Mark Holders to assure that the requirements of 1.1.1 are being maintained.”

To us, this is pretty vague for applying to what is, supposedly, one of the most important functions of maintaining  records.   And that seems to be more about pubs before the convention.    Pierre’s always been good about snatching up running lists, and Byron always makes sure both Archives gets the records from the shows he runs.   In the past, there’s always just been a  reliance on individuals and the photographers to get the necessary materials.   To our knowledge, some of the sets of photos used on the CC site have been paid for out of pocket either by Pierre, maybe one or two by us, and some have been provided by the conventions.

I’ve run this thought past Karen, and we (Nora and me) are thinking something needs to be defined more clearly in the Constitution about making it a requirement of the concoms to make sure all records are collected and turned over to the CC Archives.   I would think, since our hobby is now a recognized art form, this becomes even more important for the future.

I think another thing, specifically, needs to be a set of photos needs to be part of a concom’s budget.   In the case of CC21, I can’t access the site at this writing (the site appears to be having problems), but I remember photos being hideously expensive so purchasing an entire set of pictures was not affordable  – can Henry confirm there was/is a representative photo from all the events?   As a separate , for the purposes of promotion of the con, should there be a certain timeliness to getting  photos to the Archives?   Or, with social media, does it matter as much?   (Keeping in mind that no one has the same access to social media.)

Thoughts and suggestions as to wording for an amendment Karen can make?

Bruce

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2953 From: Christine Connell Date: 8/29/2015
Subject: Re: The Costume-Con Archives – especially photos
I’ll look back through my past CC photos. I frequently take photos of the exhibits and doll competitions, and more recently, some of the quilts. If I’ve already submitted some, any duplicates I dig up and send can be ignored, of course. May take me a while, though. Up until just a few years ago, everything was film, not digital.

As many of you know, I particularly like to get close-ups of the neat little detail bits that most people never get to see. A lot of the photos I’ve got were ones in the Green Room or halls, since I seldom actually get to see the masquerade from the audience.

Tina

 

 

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Group: runacc Message: 2854 From: spiritof_76 Date: 6/7/2015
Subject: Re: SLCG CC33 Review – One last recommendation
Group: runacc Message: 2855 From: ma0902432 Date: 6/7/2015
Subject: Re: SLCG CC33 Review – Programming
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Subject: (NON PROGRAMMING ITEM OF OPINION) (was RE: [runacc] SLCG CC33 Review
Group: runacc Message: 2857 From: staceylee25 Date: 6/7/2015
Subject: Re: SLCG CC33 Review – Registration
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Subject: CC Traditions WAS: SLCG CC33 Review – Registration
Group: runacc Message: 2859 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/7/2015
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Group: runacc Message: 2860 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 6/7/2015
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Group: runacc Message: 2861 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/7/2015
Subject: Re: SLCG CC33 Review – Friday Night
Group: runacc Message: 2862 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 6/7/2015
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Group: runacc Message: 2863 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/7/2015
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Group: runacc Message: 2864 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/7/2015
Subject: Re: SLCG CC33 Review – SF & F Masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 2865 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/7/2015
Subject: Re: SLCG CC33 Review – Friday Night – Byron
Group: runacc Message: 2866 From: Elaine Sims Date: 6/7/2015
Subject: Re: SLCG CC33 REview – Historical
Group: runacc Message: 2867 From: costumrs Date: 6/7/2015
Subject: Re: SLCG CC33 Review – Friday Night – Byron
Group: runacc Message: 2868 From: axejudge Date: 6/7/2015
Subject: Re: SLCG CC33 Review – Friday Night – Byron
Group: runacc Message: 2869 From: Les Roth Date: 6/7/2015
Subject: Re: SLCG CC33 Review – Friday Night – Byron
Group: runacc Message: 2870 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/8/2015
Subject: SLCG CC33 Review postings
Group: runacc Message: 2871 From: spiritof_76 Date: 6/8/2015
Subject: Re: SLCG CC33 Review postings
Group: runacc Message: 2872 From: staceylee25 Date: 6/8/2015
Subject: Re: CC Traditions WAS: SLCG CC33 Review – Registration
Group: runacc Message: 2873 From: Kevin Roche Date: 6/8/2015
Subject: Re: CC Traditions WAS: SLCG CC33 Review – Registration
Group: runacc Message: 2874 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/8/2015
Subject: Re: CC Traditions WAS: SLCG CC33 Review – Registration
Group: runacc Message: 2875 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/8/2015
Subject: Re: SLCG CC33 Review – Friday Night – Byron
Group: runacc Message: 2876 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 6/8/2015
Subject: Re: CC Traditions WAS: SLCG CC33 Review – Registration
Group: runacc Message: 2877 From: spiritof_76 Date: 6/8/2015
Subject: Re: CC Traditions
Group: runacc Message: 2878 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/8/2015
Subject: Re: SLCG CC33 Review postings
Group: runacc Message: 2879 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/8/2015
Subject: Re: SLCG CC33 Review – SF & F Masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 2880 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/8/2015
Subject: Re: SLCG CC33 Review – SF & F Masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 2881 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/8/2015
Subject: Re: SLCG CC33 Review – SF & F Masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 2882 From: ECM Date: 6/8/2015
Subject: Re: CC Traditions WAS: SLCG CC33 Review – Registration
Group: runacc Message: 2883 From: ECM Date: 6/8/2015
Subject: Re: SLCG CC33 Review – Friday Night
Group: runacc Message: 2884 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/8/2015
Subject: Re: [runacc] SLCG CC33 Review – SF & F Masquerade‏
Group: runacc Message: 2885 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/8/2015
Subject: Re: SLCG CC33 Review – SF & F Masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 2886 From: casamai Date: 6/9/2015
Subject: SLCG CC33 Review – Pre-con info – Archival doc
Group: runacc Message: 2887 From: spiritof_76 Date: 6/9/2015
Subject: Re: SLCG CC33 Review – Pre-con info – Archival doc
Group: runacc Message: 2888 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/10/2015
Subject: Re: SLCG CC33 Review – Pre-con info – Archival doc
Group: runacc Message: 2889 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/15/2015
Subject: SLCG CC33 Review – Hospitality – Archival doc
Group: runacc Message: 2890 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/16/2015
Subject: Arrrrgh! Apologies!
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Subject: Future Fashion Design Center on Facebook
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Group: runacc Message: 2893 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/17/2015
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Design Center on Facebook
Group: runacc Message: 2894 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/6/2015
Subject: SLCG CC33 Review – Future Fashion Folio – Archival doc
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Subject: SLCG CC33 Review – Hotel – Archival doc
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Subject: SLCG CC33 Review – Registration – Archival doc
Group: runacc Message: 2897 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/7/2015
Subject: SLCG CC33 Review – Friday Night – Archival doc
Group: runacc Message: 2898 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/7/2015
Subject: SLCG CC33 Review – Hospitality (for real) – Archival doc
Group: runacc Message: 2899 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/7/2015
Subject: SLCG CC33 Review – Programming – Archival doc
Group: runacc Message: 2900 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/7/2015
Subject: SLCG CC33 Review – SF & F Masquerade – Archival doc
Group: runacc Message: 2901 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/8/2015
Subject: SLCG CC33 Review – Sunday Daytime Activities – Archival doc
Group: runacc Message: 2902 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/8/2015
Subject: SLCG CC33 Review – Historical – Archival doc
Group: runacc Message: 2903 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/8/2015
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Group: runacc Message: 2854 From: spiritof_76 Date: 6/7/2015
Subject: Re: SLCG CC33 Review – One last recommendation

I have heard the “I’m just a volunteer” excuse in every volunteer
organization I have ever belonged to. Yes, we’re all volunteers, who
volunteered to do a job.

Michael

On 2015-06-06 19:29, casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] wrote:
> if someone foresees a year before the event that there may be some
> personal issues that may interfere with doing their job, there is
> nothing wrong with backing out – they should not feel obligated.
> Better to get out in enough time that the position can be filled,
> rather than doing a poor job and make excuses like “I’m just a
> volunteer”. That is unacceptable – take responsibility or resign.
>
>
>
> ————————-
> Posted by: casamai@sbcglobal.net
> ————————-

 

Group: runacc Message: 2855 From: ma0902432 Date: 6/7/2015
Subject: Re: SLCG CC33 Review – Programming
Hi, Lisa A. here. Yes, I wasked to manage Programming, and I agreed to
volunteer, way back when CC33 was still a bid. Possibly I should have
resigned the responsibility for programming right when Roger died
suddenly in April 2013,and I seriously thought about it, but within
about 2 months of that, I felt like I had already made a good start of it
very early on, and I felt like I was getting a lot of support from the
Con Chairs. I also had many, many ideas for programming, some of which
did not pan out (like the Morning Kaffee Klatsches–I guess I am about
the only consistently early riser who like to sit and drink coffee and
bead or talk or whatever).

I had settled back down into my *new* way of life without Roger, and
thought I Was doing okay being self-sufficient. I had a lot of notes for
programming and suggestions that people had made, specific offers from
people to lead panels or workshops, etc. and some of these were actually
very well-attended at the con and I got good feedback that people had
enjoyed them.

I thought there would be more people to help with the
computer/spreadsheet part, since I don’t consider myself very tech savvy.
I did end up having one really dedicated costumer friend who was willing
to help with that, who was very competent, and who made a big difference.
I will say that getting people to do panels was not as easy as I ‘d
hoped; when I had done programming previously for CC27 in Baltimore it
seemed like more people stepped up and were excited to be leading panels
or workshops. PArt of the problem this time, was possibly that many
people were not coming, for various reasons (who had originally thought
they were), or had issues right before the con that impacted their
schedules.

When I went down to Charleston the year before the con for the site
visit, I was concerned at that time there might not be enough function
space for us, based on what I Was shown and noted down. Of course, no
one can ever really accurately predict what the ultimate attendance will
be, but having only 3 basic function spaces is likely insufficient.

One suggestion I might make, would be that if the various “tracks” of
program genres can be formulated (roughly: workshops, demos, historical,
design, technical, props, fantasy, re-creation, anime, etc–whatever or
however many genres you like) perhaps having different people take
responsibility for each track might add value, as well as decreasing the
stress for any one person. I never thought that programming should just
be one person’s vision; having multiple people, perhaps each with a more
focused interest would be helpful. I did try for a diverse panel list,
given the limited number of function spaces.

We’ve never had a GOH at CC before in my attendance there, so that was a
new twist. I admit to not being in favor of it on principle, but once
the decision was enacted it was my job to work with it as best as
possible. That provided it’s own difficulties, which I would answer
off-list if anyone is specifically interested in that. But it DID tie my
hands to a degree.

There was a certain amount of last minute scheduling drama in many
fronts.

I DO take responsibility for the crappy and less-than-informative
scheduling grids that people had to make sense of at Reg. I Should have
worked out a way to get that information tied together and sent to the
people responsible for the published materials that were handed out at
Reg. so that it would be clear who was leading what panels or workshops.
Even when I tried to get bios from participants and blurbs from them,
there were those that missed the deadline, so I had to write something,
and it may have been less than accurate. I had thought there was going
to be a Mobile app that would do that and would be also linked to the
panelists, and I never knew if that panned out. IT seems like it would
be a good thought in the future, and I”ve used apps like that at
professional conferences I”ve attended in the last few years. I’m sorry
folks–that should have been done better.

The Con Chairs asked me to schedule the “CC101–My First CC” panel twice
and that seemed like a good idea, espcially with different people on it
each time. Friday afternoon and Sat. morning seem like good times for
that.

Yours in costuming, Lisa a

PS: (NON PROGRAMMING ITEM OF OPINION)
My personal opinion is I would like to see the Friday ngiht Social go
back to being a Social without us having to sit and be quiet while
another contest/show is held (and having someone yell at us to be quiet)
. I really miss that opening night “Let’s dress up and chill out”
session, and the people who want to enter the contest–I never got a
chance to talk to any of them that evening.

The Programming person was noticeably distracted by personal events,
leading up to the last few months of the con. There were misgivings
about a peer having their way paid as guest � not sure what precedent
that might set in the future. Opinions were mixed as to the variety of
panels and demos, so there was no consensus one way or another. Most
people liked what they saw. �There was a decent variety, just not
enough of them. “It�s hard to strike that right balance of enough and not
enough. Not enough, people get bored. Too many, then they complain
about having to choose between panels. One possibility might be to have
more panels, but repeat some of them. Also, the staggered start and end
times were confusing and usually meant I either had to miss the last part
of one, or the first part of another.��My biggest issue was there was
nowhere that said who was on what panels – so if you were on a panel and
didn’t know what name it was in the program, you couldn’t find it. Also,
if you were looking for someone in particular, no way to find what panel
they might be on so you could find them.�
The fact that this was not a very big con probably explains why the
Friday and Saturday �My First Costume-Con� panels never had more than 5
people in them. We believe they�re still an important panel to have, and
provide an important service to newcomers � especially to let them know
about Hospitality. One of the newbies came all the way from North
Dakota, and we suspect we have a new convert. Very few panels had less
than three attendees: apparently, the panel on how the Library of
Congress is now archiving masquerade video was surprisingly well
attended(!).

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Group: runacc Message: 2856 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/7/2015
Subject: (NON PROGRAMMING ITEM OF OPINION) (was RE: [runacc] SLCG CC33 Review
I like the little shows on Friday night during the Social – it gives new folks a taste of things to come with less pressure plus something to do if they feel awkward at first mingling with a lot of people they don’t know.

BUT – there should be no yelling (maybe a little shushing) and the “event” should be light and no pressure. It’s becoming a little too formal for my taste. It provides a little entertaining break in the Social after which folks can go back to talking and the contestants can join everyone. It really shouldn’t take up tons of time for either the participants or the audience. It should happen fairly early so that the contestants can enjoy some of the evening (and potential food) – maybe a little welcome speech a bit in to the time, followed by a brief show, much socializing, then announcing prizes (delaying the awards gives more time to mingle because some folks will hang around for that) then more socializing.

Nora

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Yours in costuming, Lisa a

PS: (NON PROGRAMMING ITEM OF OPINION)
My personal opinion is I would like to see the Friday ngiht Social go back to being a Social without us having to sit and be quiet while another contest/show is held (and having someone yell at us to be quiet) . I really miss that opening night “Let’s dress up and chill out”
session, and the people who want to enter the contest–I never got a chance to talk to any of them that evening.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2857 From: staceylee25 Date: 6/7/2015
Subject: Re: SLCG CC33 Review – Registration

Regarding the “no ad space for upcoming Costume Cons.” When CC34 contacted someone to inquire about the ad swap (since we got ads in at 32 and 31 for free with the pay-it-forward policy that appears to be in place) we were only cited prices, we were not allowed to have a free ad. The ad prices, on top of that, were astronomical.

I’m sure they were looking to recoup costs anywhere they could, but the ad prices (and consuite prices for that matter) were set at a prohibitive level for anyone but a full-time vendor. Not only that, but we were so taken aback that they were bucking the trend and not giving future CCs free ad space that we noped right on out of there.

Now, if there were signals crossed and we (and 35, and the bid for 36) were supposed to get free ads but that was not communicated to any of our committees…well, that’s a different issue entirely. CC34 would like to assure that future CCs will be accommodated as per tradition, to allow them the best opportunities to hook attendees.

Stace
secretary, CC34

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The two blank pages were a real
waste of space.  The letters from the Co-chairs could have been
photocopied onto the back of the front cover and the Rare Recorded Videos ad
moved up a page, saving a page.  I find it curious that there was no ad
space for any of the upcoming Costume Cons.  I think blank pages would be
better used by including some traceable human figures, one male and one female
and perhaps some info on the upcoming Future Fashion Folio.

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2858 From: spiritof_76 Date: 6/7/2015
Subject: CC Traditions WAS: SLCG CC33 Review – Registration
I discovered that there are many things that a CC “traditions” to
different people. Some people know about them, some don’t. Some people
do them, some don’t. If someone tells you to do something because it is
a tradition, ask around.

Michael
CC31

——– Original Message ——–

Now, if there were signals crossed and we (and 35, and the bid for 36)
were supposed to get free ads but that was not communicated to any of
our committees…well, that’s a different issue entirely. CC34 would
like to assure that future CCs will be accommodated as per tradition, to
allow them the best opportunities to hook attendees.

Stace
secretary, CC34

 

Group: runacc Message: 2859 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/7/2015
Subject: Re: CC Traditions WAS: SLCG CC33 Review – Registration
Yes, always double-check. I’d like to believe no one would deliberate mislead you but sometimes people have different “perspectives”.

Nora

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Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2015 1:07 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] CC Traditions WAS: SLCG CC33 Review – Registration

I discovered that there are many things that a CC “traditions” to different people. Some people know about them, some don’t. Some people do them, some don’t. If someone tells you to do something because it is a tradition, ask around.

Michael
CC31

——– Original Message ——–

Now, if there were signals crossed and we (and 35, and the bid for 36) were supposed to get free ads but that was not communicated to any of our committees…well, that’s a different issue entirely. CC34 would like to assure that future CCs will be accommodated as per tradition, to allow them the best opportunities to hook attendees.

Stace
secretary, CC34

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Group: runacc Message: 2860 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 6/7/2015
Subject: Re: CC Traditions WAS: SLCG CC33 Review – Registration
A list of these would be a VERY GOOD thing to debate/archive here.  I hadn’t heard of the free ad one, would be nice to have a listing somewhere for potential bids to consider BEFORE they are committed.

~Aurora

 

 

On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 4:45 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Yes, always double-check. I’d like to believe no one would deliberate mislead you but sometimes people have different “perspectives”.

Nora

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Subject: [runacc] CC Traditions WAS: SLCG CC33 Review – Registration

I discovered that there are many things that a CC “traditions” to different people.  Some people know about them, some don’t.  Some people do them, some don’t.  If someone tells you to do something because it is a tradition, ask around.

Michael
CC31

——– Original Message ——–

Now, if there were signals crossed and we (and 35, and the bid for 36) were supposed to get free ads but that was not communicated to any of our committees…well, that’s a different issue entirely. CC34 would like to assure that future CCs will be accommodated as per tradition, to allow them the best opportunities to hook attendees.

Stace
secretary, CC34

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Group: runacc Message: 2861 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/7/2015
Subject: Re: SLCG CC33 Review – Friday Night

 

This is another review that needed editing.  The material beginning “As for the Social. . .” and ending “. . . not down too low,” appears twice.

 

Byron

 

On Jun 6, 2015, at 9:32 PM, casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

 

The pre-judging time for the Single Pattern Contest was posted in the “stealth PR”.   At the con, in at least one case, a contestant was told the rehearsal was 2:00 PM.   As it turned out, there did not appear to be a rehearsal and there was some scrambling to get down to the ballroom for judging.   Bottom line: there should have been more announcements about the first competition of the con.  In any case, the show went off without a hitch, other than the MC mispronouncing  titles of entries.  Nora picked up my pre-reg form because I was elsewhere, and she was told that the rehearsal was at 2 PM.  When I found out it was actualy for pre-judging, I had to scramble.   The only notice I found later about the time was in the “stealth PR” #3.    This information should have been announced on the FB page and the D list, like other info.    

Unfortunatlely, the choice for MC was not the best, resulting in awkward pauses and mispronunciations.   Otherwise, the show went off without much of a hitch.

As for the Social itself, the food spread was better than some pasr CCs, and it did not run out of protein –always a good thing.  Attendees did play along with the speakeasy theme, costume-wise.    The bar had a selection of bad beer, bad wine and bad soda.   Leftovers from the Social were moved to Hospitality – including the huge amounts of leftovers of birthday sheetcake for one of the co-chairs.   The spinning light gobos were annoying, but at least seating was adequate and the house lights were not down too low.

As for the Social itself, the food spread was better than some pasr CCs, and it did not run out of protein –always a good thing.  (It would have been nice if arrangements had been made so that the people backstage didn’t miss out on some of that protein, though).  

Attendees did play along with the speakeasy theme, costume-wise.    The bar had a selection of bad beer, bad wine and bad soda.   Leftovers from the Social were moved to Hospitality – including the huge amounts of leftover birthday cake for one of the co-chairs.   The spinning light gobos were annoying, but at least seating was adequate and the house lights were not down too low.

“I liked the free drink ticket.  It would have been nice if there were something worth drinking for free.  Charleston has some fine microbreweries.  I don’t understand not having at least one of them as a choice for a beer.  The food was the same stuff from the con suite.  I have to resurrect a comment from a CC in the past.  Deja Food.  Didn’t I just eat this.  Something that was a little amusing was the drawing they kept trying to have, only to have the person giving out the tickets scream that she was still handing them out.  Perhaps these tickets should have gone in the swag bag, like the drink ticket.  Just a thought.”

There was also this:

“The Friday Night Social was sold as featuring a variety of southern specialties. In reality, there was nothing except cheese trays and peach cobbler..…” (Not strictly true – there were pulled pork sandwiches, and the cobbler, for itself, was excellent)   “…Earlier on Friday, I heard some members suggesting that they could opt to skip dinner; I hope they didn’t do so.” 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2862 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 6/7/2015
Subject: Re: CC Traditions WAS: SLCG CC33 Review – Registration

Courtesy ads go way, way back. Pretty much as far back as when bidding started.

So did forwarding any remaining balance after all expenses to the next three CCs. (That goes back to at least CC14.)
Of course, if the CC isn’t profitable, profit sharing doesn’t happen, but the theory is that there’s no reason to keep the remaining funds because they’re CC specific.
No idea how long the tradition was maintained. At this point I can serve as institutional memory only so far forward.
8(
Betsy

 

 

On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 4:51 PM, Aurora Celeste auroraceleste@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

A list of these would be a VERY GOOD thing to debate/archive here.  I hadn’t heard of the free ad one, would be nice to have a listing somewhere for potential bids to consider BEFORE they are committed.

~Aurora

 

On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 4:45 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Yes, always double-check. I’d like to believe no one would deliberate mislead you but sometimes people have different “perspectives”.

Nora

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Subject: [runacc] CC Traditions WAS: SLCG CC33 Review – Registration

I discovered that there are many things that a CC “traditions” to different people.  Some people know about them, some don’t.  Some people do them, some don’t.  If someone tells you to do something because it is a tradition, ask around.

Michael
CC31

——– Original Message ——–

Now, if there were signals crossed and we (and 35, and the bid for 36) were supposed to get free ads but that was not communicated to any of our committees…well, that’s a different issue entirely. CC34 would like to assure that future CCs will be accommodated as per tradition, to allow them the best opportunities to hook attendees.

Stace
secretary, CC34

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Group: runacc Message: 2863 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/7/2015
Subject: Re: SLCG CC33 Review – SF & F Masquerade

 

As Masquerade Director, I must take serious issue with some of the statements in this review, which are based on faulty information that I pointed out and sought to correct when the review was in draft.  For whatever reasons, the writers did not use the information I provided.

 

First, the review implies that Eric Cannon and Sue Kulinyi made the suggestion, found in the Information for Entrants on the web site, that entrants bring sound in two different media (“They HAD suggested. . . .”).  That is not true.  I made that suggestion.  It was posted in the fall of 2014 (i believe) as part of my original Information for Entrants.  It is the same advice I give for any masquerade I run: if the CD doesn’t work, it is likely that a second CD won’t work either.  Bring the second copy of your sound in a different medium.  See the Information for Entrants for the CC 32 Historical, the Chicon 7 masquerade, and the Anticipation masquerade as examples.
Second, the review implies that I knew on Friday morning that tech was not able to use USB drives and should have taken steps to inform entrants (“it was not mentioned again during registration, starting while the ICG meeting was going on Friday”).  That is not correct and I told the authors of the draft that it was not correct.  I did not know of this problem on Friday morning or, indeed, at any time before the beginning of tech rehearsal on Saturday, which was after masquerade registration had closed.
I believe the review should be corrected on these points.
Byron

 

 

On Jun 6, 2015, at 9:55 PM, casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

It will be a recurring theme that, had the various shows been bigger, they could have been disastrous.*   (Keep that in mind)  

For whatever reasons, all the normal tech crews were unavailable for CC33.  Probably , just a case of bad timing.    It was fortunate that Eric and Sue were able to bring at least a barebones tech set up along with their video equipment.    The PR#3 said people could submit their presentation music on either CDs or USB drives.  It turned out, though, there was limited tech – the amount of tech the Cannons could bring was limted by  the space in their car.   Because of that, all MP3 files had to be burned to CDs before they could be played.   They HAD suggested people bring more than one copy on more than one medium, but people may have not have done that, and it was not mentioned again during registration, starting while the ICG meeting was going on Friday – this is where the assistant to the MD could have been utilized.    Tech COULD have run WAY behind while the files were burned late in the day Saturday.*

Contestants were told to arrive at the Green Room at 6:00 PM – the GR was not prepared.   It seems they must have started getting organized, because it was 20-30 minutes before they allowed people in.  Not sure why people were only allowed into the somewhat cramped space in running order, and then assigned their den.   

“F/SF was the worst for space. I can’t say for the FFS/Curtains, because I wasn’t back there. Historical was tight, but not as much as F/SF…… The person arriving to do check-in was unpleasant and we had a bit of a snip-fest at the beginning. I was trying to be efficient, and she wanted things HER way.”

“….We didn’t get a running order and # of people per entry until at least 6:30, so we couldn’t set up the dens till then. It helped that the last entry was the 12 body entry, so they got the hall kind of by default. There was no way to put them in the room.”

This made for a longer delay.   That’s really inefficient, especially when they were already running late.*    The contestants had to repeat their info to different people, even though they were right next to each other – probably a noise AND organization issue.  

The dens were poorly set up with chairs in an oval, with no tables  – there was no space.   The contestants were told they could not use more than one seat, so where were they supposed to put the stuff they brought down?  Guess no one had thought of that.   One den wound up having to be set up out in the hall (shades of CC32)*.    

“Some entries wouldn’t have fit into the quilt room.  We were already having issues with exit doors – apparently the fire marshal was there and was being picky about stuff blocking the doors.”

“…we were having to steal chairs from the audience because there weren’t enough in the green room for everyone.”

“In hindsight, for F/SF, we really needed to swap the spaces of two of the dens (and put Santa into the corner). That giant costume kept sticking out into the only path for movement we had and catching every dangly bit that went by.”
 

The den moms were given hats to wear to identify them, but apparently, no one actually mentioned that.   Guess it was supposed to be assumed.   The den moms were not informed to make sure people got to the official photographer – at least not initially.    The GR ran out of water at some point.   It DID have a repair kit, and it was used.  

Official Photography took up about ¼ of the space that could have been used for Green Room, but there was no where else to really put it.   

“I don’t think there was really anyplace else for the photographers to go other than in that room – the partitions were kind of arbitrary, so yes, it was 1/3 of the space. “

 The judges were not photographed as part of the official record – not sure who would have been responsible for making sure that happened. 

Workmanship judges were placed at the end of the main hall where the audience could potentially see them before the show – no attempt to curtain that area off was made (probably because it wasn’t really thought about until the last minute).  

It was obvious that the con had some staffing issues, since the GR Director was also shooting the reference photos, as well as having been working Registration each day.  Unfortunately, her assistant was apparently not very experienced at the GR check in process.    There was also a shortage of backstage crew, with only 3 ninjas ( I stepped in to help). 

The photo run ran without a problem, and the judges returned shortly after the video halftime. (The Workmanship judging panel had taken a little longer to complete deliberations).   Overall, less time might have been taken had the printing of awards started immediately after the Presentation judges had finished, rather than waiting for the Workmanship results.   It was apparently a bit of a “duh’ moment.   Regardless, awards were fair, there were enough people recognized for their efforts, and there were no controversies.

 

Just on recommendation here, that I remember: aprons instead of hats, and hand fans.  

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2864 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/7/2015
Subject: Re: SLCG CC33 Review – SF & F Masquerade

 

 

I stand corrected, and y’know, I even saw that on the website.   I guess I thought that was written by someone other than you.   My apologies.

 

As for the second point, I reread your email, and I can’t corroborate whether the knowledge was available or not, so I bow to your version of the story.   I overlooked your correction while copying and pasting a new document.

 

Bruce

 

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Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2015 6:32 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] SLCG CC33 Review – SF & F Masquerade

As Masquerade Director, I must take serious issue with some of the statements in this review, which are based on faulty information that I pointed out and sought to correct when the review was in draft.  For whatever reasons, the writers did not use the information I provided.

First, the review implies that Eric Cannon and Sue Kulinyi made the suggestion, found in the Information for Entrants on the web site, that entrants bring sound in two different media (“They HAD suggested. . . .”).  That is not true.  I made that suggestion.  It was posted in the fall of 2014 (i believe) as part of my original Information for Entrants.  It is the same advice I give for any masquerade I run: if the CD doesn’t work, it is likely that a second CD won’t work either.  Bring the second copy of your sound in a different medium.  See the Information for Entrants for the CC 32 Historical, the Chicon 7 masquerade, and the Anticipation masquerade as examples.

Second, the review implies that I knew on Friday morning that tech was not able to use USB drives and should have taken steps to inform entrants (“it was not mentioned again during registration, starting while the ICG meeting was going on Friday”).  That is not correct and I told the authors of the draft that it was not correct.  I did not know of this problem on Friday morning or, indeed, at any time before the beginning of tech rehearsal on Saturday, which was after masquerade registration had closed.

I believe the review should be corrected on these points.

Byron

 

On Jun 6, 2015, at 9:55 PM, casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

 

It will be a recurring theme that, had the various shows been bigger, they could have been disastrous.*   (Keep that in mind)  

 

For whatever reasons, all the normal tech crews were unavailable for CC33.  Probably , just a case of bad timing.    It was fortunate that Eric and Sue were able to bring at least a barebones tech set up along with their video equipment.    The PR#3 said people could submit their presentation music on either CDs or USB drives.  It turned out, though, there was limited tech – the amount of tech the Cannons could bring was limted by  the space in their car.   Because of that, all MP3 files had to be burned to CDs before they could be played.   They HAD suggested people bring more than one copy on more than one medium, but people may have not have done that, and it was not mentioned again during registration, starting while the ICG meeting was going on Friday – this is where the assistant to the MD could have been utilized.    Tech COULD have run WAY behind while the files were burned late in the day Saturday.*

 

Contestants were told to arrive at the Green Room at 6:00 PM – the GR was not prepared.   It seems they must have started getting organized, because it was 20-30 minutes before they allowed people in.  Not sure why people were only allowed into the somewhat cramped space in running order, and then assigned their den.   

 

“F/SF was the worst for space. I can’t say for the FFS/Curtains, because I wasn’t back there. Historical was tight, but not as much as F/SF…… The person arriving to do check-in was unpleasant and we had a bit of a snip-fest at the beginning. I was trying to be efficient, and she wanted things HER way.”

 

“….We didn’t get a running order and # of people per entry until at least 6:30, so we couldn’t set up the dens till then. It helped that the last entry was the 12 body entry, so they got the hall kind of by default. There was no way to put them in the room.”

 

This made for a longer delay.   That’s really inefficient, especially when they were already running late.*    The contestants had to repeat their info to different people, even though they were right next to each other – probably a noise AND organization issue.  

 

The dens were poorly set up with chairs in an oval, with no tables  – there was no space.   The contestants were told they could not use more than one seat, so where were they supposed to put the stuff they brought down?  Guess no one had thought of that.   One den wound up having to be set up out in the hall (shades of CC32)*.    

 

“Some entries wouldn’t have fit into the quilt room.  We were already having issues with exit doors – apparently the fire marshal was there and was being picky about stuff blocking the doors.”

 

“…we were having to steal chairs from the audience because there weren’t enough in the green room for everyone.”

 

“In hindsight, for F/SF, we really needed to swap the spaces of two of the dens (and put Santa into the corner). That giant costume kept sticking out into the only path for movement we had and catching every dangly bit that went by.”

 

The den moms were given hats to wear to identify them, but apparently, no one actually mentioned that.   Guess it was supposed to be assumed.   The den moms were not informed to make sure people got to the official photographer – at least not initially.    The GR ran out of water at some point.   It DID have a repair kit, and it was used.  

 

Official Photography took up about ¼ of the space that could have been used for Green Room, but there was no where else to really put it.   

 

“I don’t think there was really anyplace else for the photographers to go other than in that room – the partitions were kind of arbitrary, so yes, it was 1/3 of the space. “

 

 The judges were not photographed as part of the official record – not sure who would have been responsible for making sure that happened. 

 

Workmanship judges were placed at the end of the main hall where the audience could potentially see them before the show – no attempt to curtain that area off was made (probably because it wasn’t really thought about until the last minute).  

 

It was obvious that the con had some staffing issues, since the GR Director was also shooting the reference photos, as well as having been working Registration each day.  Unfortunately, her assistant was apparently not very experienced at the GR check in process.    There was also a shortage of backstage crew, with only 3 ninjas ( I stepped in to help). 

 

The photo run ran without a problem, and the judges returned shortly after the video halftime. (The Workmanship judging panel had taken a little longer to complete deliberations).   Overall, less time might have been taken had the printing of awards started immediately after the Presentation judges had finished, rather than waiting for the Workmanship results.   It was apparently a bit of a “duh’ moment.   Regardless, awards were fair, there were enough people recognized for their efforts, and there were no controversies.

 

Just on recommendation here, that I remember: aprons instead of hats, and hand fans.  

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2865 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/7/2015
Subject: Re: SLCG CC33 Review – Friday Night – Byron

 

 

I’m not sure how you’re seeing that, but when we received the email from the Yahoo group, I did not see that repetition you cited.   And I just went out to the Yahoo site to look at the email and there is no repetition, there,  either.   Could be a browser thing on your end.   Or some weird coding in the background.   Rather than the usual writing to the list from our PC, I was going directly out to Yahoo from my laptop, creating a new email. and pasting in my text.     Maybe something didn’t get erased after I edited it that was “invisible”   Yahoo can be squirrely.   May not like my pasting from a Word doc.  I have no control over that.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2015 5:14 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] SLCG CC33 Review – Friday Night

This is another review that needed editing.  The material beginning “As for the Social. . .” and ending “. . . not down too low,” appears twice.

Byron

On Jun 6, 2015, at 9:32 PM, casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2866 From: Elaine Sims Date: 6/7/2015
Subject: Re: SLCG CC33 REview – Historical

 

A note on the awards for the quilt & doll shows: I fully
expected to do the presenting well before the judges arrived. I was
approached by … I think it was Sue, as well as second ‘in-charge’
to ask if I was ready with my awards (for the quilt show). I
confirmed to both that yes, I was ready, and that I also had the
doll show ones, since Ann was busy ninja-ing for the masquerade. I
had my judges ready to go, and fully expected to be called up within
5-10 minutes. Then we waited. And waited. And things got really
confusing when the Historical judges returned, and we hadn’t been
given the opportunity to take our 5 minutes to get them out.

~Elaine2

On 06/06/2015 07:10 PM,
casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] wrote:

 

 

 

 

Prejudging
took
place in the Green Room again, with the distractions
of Tech Rehearsals.  There were only
10 entries in the show, so
again – good thing it was a small con.*

 

An
opportunity was missed to keep the judges corralled
and also allow them
additional time for discussion by arranging for them
to have dinner
together.   This worked at CC31.

 

The Green
Room was the same size, but the contestants took up
just about as much room
because of 9 people with wings, among other things.
There was only one noticeable tech snag.
Again, the feeling by people was the awards
were in adequate numbers, fair and again, no
controversies.   Some of the
contestants were surprised and
pleased to be recognized.   At
halftime,
the quilt and doll awards announcements could have
been done before the judges
got back.

Recommendation:
Make
sure to allow time for judges to change to
costumes before the show – your costumes are the
creds on your back.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2867 From: costumrs Date: 6/7/2015
Subject: Re: SLCG CC33 Review – Friday Night – Byron

 

No, Sandy and I are seeing it too.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone

——– Original message ——–
From: “‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 06/07/2015 9:37 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [runacc] SLCG CC33 Review – Friday Night – Byron

 

I’m not sure how you’re seeing that, but when we received the email from the Yahoo group, I did not see that repetition you cited.   And I just went out to the Yahoo site to look at the email and there is no repetition, there,  either.   Could be a browser thing on your end.   Or some weird coding in the background.   Rather than the usual writing to the list from our PC, I was going directly out to Yahoo from my laptop, creating a new email. and pasting in my text.     Maybe something didn’t get erased after I edited it that was “invisible”   Yahoo can be squirrely.   May not like my pasting from a Word doc.  I have no control over that.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2015 5:14 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] SLCG CC33 Review – Friday Night

This is another review that needed editing.  The material beginning “As for the Social. . .” and ending “. . . not down too low,” appears twice.

Byron

On Jun 6, 2015, at 9:32 PM, casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2868 From: axejudge Date: 6/7/2015
Subject: Re: SLCG CC33 Review – Friday Night – Byron

Byron is not the only one seeing double, Bruce.  I am also, both at my work computer and at home.

Karen

 

 

On 2015-06-08 02:37, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] wrote:

 

 

I’m not sure how you’re seeing that, but when we received the email from the Yahoo group, I did not see that repetition you cited.   And I just went out to the Yahoo site to look at the email and there is no repetition, there,  either.   Could be a browser thing on your end.   Or some weird coding in the background.   Rather than the usual writing to the list from our PC, I was going directly out to Yahoo from my laptop, creating a new email. and pasting in my text.     Maybe something didn’t get erased after I edited it that was “invisible”   Yahoo can be squirrely.   May not like my pasting from a Word doc.  I have no control over that.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2015 5:14 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] SLCG CC33 Review – Friday Night

This is another review that needed editing.  The material beginning “As for the Social. . .” and ending “. . . not down too low,” appears twice.

Byron

On Jun 6, 2015, at 9:32 PM, casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2869 From: Les Roth Date: 6/7/2015
Subject: Re: SLCG CC33 Review – Friday Night – Byron

 

I’ve been seeing the same duplications that Byron and possibly others are seeing. I’m reading the posts in my email on a Mac.

 

 

Les

Live, never to be ashamed if everything you do is published around the

world. Even if what is published is not true. — Richard Bach

 

 

On Jun 7, 2015, at 9:37 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I’m not sure how you’re seeing that, but when we received the email from the Yahoo group, I did not see that repetition you cited.   And I just went out to the Yahoo site to look at the email and there is no repetition, there,  either.   Could be a browser thing on your end.   Or some weird coding in the background.   Rather than the usual writing to the list from our PC, I was going directly out to Yahoo from my laptop, creating a new email. and pasting in my text.     Maybe something didn’t get erased after I edited it that was “invisible”   Yahoo can be squirrely.   May not like my pasting from a Word doc.  I have no control over that.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2015 5:14 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] SLCG CC33 Review – Friday Night



This is another review that needed editing.  The material beginning “As for the Social. . .” and ending “. . . not down too low,” appears twice.

Byron

On Jun 6, 2015, at 9:32 PM, casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2870 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/8/2015
Subject: SLCG CC33 Review postings

 

 

Okay, then it’s definitely a coding issue.   No more copying and pasting directly into Yahoo, then.

I’ll work on reposting the entire thing, for readability, plus corrections, as soon as I can.

Bruce

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2871 From: spiritof_76 Date: 6/8/2015
Subject: Re: SLCG CC33 Review postings

Copy/Paste from Word (I assume) to Notepad, should remove any background
formatting, then Copy/Paste to Yahoo!.

Michael

On 2015-06-08 05:17, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]
wrote:

> Okay, then it’s definitely a coding issue. No more copying and pasting
> directly into Yahoo, then.
>
> I’ll work on reposting the entire thing, for readability, plus
> corrections, as soon as I can.

> Bruce

 

Group: runacc Message: 2872 From: staceylee25 Date: 6/8/2015
Subject: Re: CC Traditions WAS: SLCG CC33 Review – Registration

YES I’m with Aurora, it’s probably a good idea to make a list of everything that is, at least by a majority of past/future CC-runners, agreed to be a typical function, tradition, etc. So that, at the very least, if someone chooses to buck tradition, it’s a conscious choice and not because they were ill-informed.

For example, one has just come up for us due to these reviews. Rosanna was looking over the description of the program book and wondered if it’s tradition – or even required – to publish the Constitution in the program book. We had not heard or conceived of that, and while it might have eventually come up when we looked at past program books to determine the best format and content for ours, it’s better to find out about it now.

Passing seed money to future CCs is one we know well about. The required programming/events per the Constitution, also clearly know. It’s less about the things that are written down already and more about the assumed traditions, like free ad space.

Stace

—In runacc@yahoogroups.com, <auroraceleste@…> wrote :

A list of these would be a VERY GOOD thing to debate/archive here.  I hadn’t heard of the free ad one, would be nice to have a listing somewhere for potential bids to consider BEFORE they are committed.

~Aurora

 

 

 

On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 4:45 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@… [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Yes, always double-check. I’d like to believe no one would deliberate mislead you but sometimes people have different “perspectives”.

Nora

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2015 1:07 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] CC Traditions WAS: SLCG CC33 Review – Registration

I discovered that there are many things that a CC “traditions” to different people.  Some people know about them, some don’t.  Some people do them, some don’t.  If someone tells you to do something because it is a tradition, ask around.

Michael
CC31

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2873 From: Kevin Roche Date: 6/8/2015
Subject: Re: CC Traditions WAS: SLCG CC33 Review – Registration

 

 

On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 10:34 AM, staceylee25@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

For example, one has just come up for us due to these reviews. Rosanna was looking over the description of the program book and wondered if it’s tradition – or even required – to publish the Constitution in the program book. We had not heard or conceived of that, and while it might have eventually come up when we looked at past program books to determine the best format and content for ours, it’s better to find out about it now.

That one is easy: it’s in the CC Constitution:

1.2.2 Responsibilities

Each Costume-Con conference committee shall be responsible for its own bookkeeping, finances, and taxes.

Each Costume-Con conference committee shall be responsible for enforcing the provisions of this ConStitution. Each Costume-Con conference shall distribute a copy of the Costume-Con ConStitution to all of its members, typically by publishing it in the Program Book. [Renumbered Saturday, January 04, 2003.]

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2874 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/8/2015
Subject: Re: CC Traditions WAS: SLCG CC33 Review – Registration

 

On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 4:19 PM, Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Courtesy ads go way, way back. Pretty much as far back as when bidding started.

 

At least offering cheaper ad rates to non-profits than you do to commercial businesses is pretty traditional, and not just at CC.
Offering comp ads for the upcoming conventions and all bids being voted at your convention is just plain smart. It’s not likely to be more than 4 pages…

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2875 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/8/2015
Subject: Re: SLCG CC33 Review – Friday Night – Byron

 

I’m __,_._,
I’m getting some scrambled text on some messages. Gmail, on web on Windows, and in a client on Android and iPad.

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2876 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 6/8/2015
Subject: Re: CC Traditions WAS: SLCG CC33 Review – Registration

What Andy said. Might I recommend that everyone who’s associated with a current con or bid take the time to actually read the ConStitution? After all, we wrote it to keep institutional stuff that shouldn’t change from year to year. It should be your first go-to, before this mailing list,  even.

My not so humble opinion. YMMV.

 

On Jun 8, 2015 1:46 PM, “Andrew Trembley attrembl@bovil.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 4:19 PM, Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Courtesy ads go way, way back. Pretty much as far back as when bidding started.

 

At least offering cheaper ad rates to non-profits than you do to commercial businesses is pretty traditional, and not just at CC.
Offering comp ads for the upcoming conventions and all bids being voted at your convention is just plain smart. It’s not likely to be more than 4 pages…

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2877 From: spiritof_76 Date: 6/8/2015
Subject: Re: CC Traditions

In the CC25 program book, I published it at a 6pt font for the body of
the Constitution and 10pt for the contact information. It took 4 pages
which also had a sidebar column on the outside for other information.

Michael

On 2015-06-08 10:38, Kevin Roche kevin@twistedimage.com [runacc] wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 10:34 AM, staceylee25@yahoo.com [runacc]
> <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>> For example, one has just come up for us due to these reviews.
>> Rosanna was looking over the description of the program book and
>> wondered if it’s tradition – or even required – to publish the
>> Constitution in the program book. We had not heard or conceived of
>> that, and while it might have eventually come up when we looked at
>> past program books to determine the best format and content for
>> ours, it’s better to find out about it now.
>
> That one is easy: it’s in the CC Constitution:
>
> 1.2.2 RESPONSIBILITIES
>
> Each Costume-Con conference committee shall be responsible for its own
> bookkeeping, finances, and taxes.
>
> Each Costume-Con conference committee shall be responsible for
> enforcing the provisions of this ConStitution. Each Costume-Con
> conference shall distribute a copy of the Costume-Con ConStitution to
> all of its members, typically by publishing it in the Program Book.
> [Renumbered Saturday, January 04, 2003.]
>
>
>
> ————————-
> Posted by: Kevin Roche <kevin@twistedimage.com>
> ————————-

 

Group: runacc Message: 2878 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/8/2015
Subject: Re: SLCG CC33 Review postings

 

If you copy it and paste it into “notepad” first it will remove the excess formatting. 🙂

Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2015 07:17:02 -0500
Subject: [runacc] SLCG CC33 Review postings

 

 

Okay, then it’s definitely a coding issue.   No more copying and pasting directly into Yahoo, then.

I’ll work on reposting the entire thing, for readability, plus corrections, as soon as I can.

Bruce

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2879 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/8/2015
Subject: Re: SLCG CC33 Review – SF & F Masquerade

 


Posted by: casamai@sbcglobal.net

It will be a recurring theme that, had the various shows been bigger, they could have been disastrous.*   (Keep that in mind) 

One den wound up having to be set up out in the hall (shades of CC32)*.
———————————————————————————————————

In regards to CC32—
The plan had always been to curtain off the 60’x20′ section of the Foyer/prefunction space aka. “hall” at CC32 as part of the flexible greenroom function space. See map here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/14178897@N07/18615679341/in/dateposted-public/

We had total
30′ x 60′ Ambrosia
19′ x 25′ Spartan
19′ x 25′ Northern Spy -and-
20′ x 60′ Foyer
For a total flexible Greenroom space of 4045sq ft space.

Given the size of the previous Toronto Costume-Con, and guessing maximum space need based on the attendance numbers/space usage of the quite large CC26 (who’s greenroom was 71′ x 33′ and they used a bit of the hall as well), in general that seemed reasonable at the time.
I’m sorry if you felt it was disastrous that a den had to be in the “hall”* (again an actual dedicated greenroom space.)

By the time it was clear CC32 was going to be enormous we had no way of moving to a larger space.

My apologies to any contestants or staff who’s experience was ruined by this set up.
Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2880 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/8/2015
Subject: Re: SLCG CC33 Review – SF & F Masquerade

 

 

The point is that CC32 had to set up in the hall because there were so many entries; CC33 only had 20 some entries in the FSF (11 in Historical) with a lot of solos and only a couple of groups.

The green room was very small (of course it was a small con) not even big enough for a really small masq.

 

I think everyone was well aware of the sheer number of contestants in Toronto and that much space filled up fast.

 

Nora

 


 

Posted by: casamai@sbcglobal.net
It will be a recurring theme that, had the various shows been bigger, they could have been disastrous.*   (Keep that in mind)

One den wound up having to be set up out in the hall (shades of CC32)*.
———————————————————————————————————


In regards to CC32—
The plan had always been to curtain off the 60’x20′ section of the Foyer/prefunction space aka. “hall” at CC32 as part of the flexible greenroom function space. See map here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/14178897@N07/18615679341/in/dateposted-public/

 

We had total

30′ x 60′ Ambrosia

19′ x 25′ Spartan

19′ x 25′ Northern Spy -and-

20′ x 60′ Foyer

 

For a total flexible Greenroom space of 4045sq ft space.

Given the size of the previous Toronto Costume-Con, and guessing maximum space need based on the attendance numbers/space usage of the quite large CC26 (who’s greenroom was 71′ x 33′ and they used a bit of the hall as well), in general that seemed reasonable at the time.
I’m sorry if you felt it was disastrous that ! a den had to be in the “hall”* (again an actual dedicated greenroom space.)

By the time it was clear CC32 was going to be enormous we had no way of moving to a larger space.


My apologies to any contestants or staff who’s experience was ruined by this set up.
Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2881 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/8/2015
Subject: Re: SLCG CC33 Review – SF & F Masquerade

 

What do the asterisks at the end of those sentences indicate?

 

Byron

 

 

On Jun 8, 2015, at 5:15 PM, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 


Posted by: casamai@sbcglobal.net




It will be a recurring theme that, had the various shows been bigger, they could have been disastrous.*   (Keep that in mind) 



One den wound up having to be set up out in the hall (shades of CC32)*.   
———————————————————————————————————


In regards to CC32—
The plan had always been to curtain off the 60’x20′ section of the Foyer/prefunction space aka. “hall” at CC32 as part of the flexible greenroom function space. See map here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/14178897@N07/18615679341/in/dateposted-public/

We had total
30′ x 60′ Ambrosia
19′ x 25′ Spartan
19′ x 25′ Northern Spy -and-
20′ x 60′ Foyer
For a total flexible Greenroom space of 4045sq ft space.

Given the size of the previous Toronto Costume-Con, and guessing maximum space need based on the attendance numbers/space usage of the quite large CC26 (who’s greenroom was 71′ x 33′ and they used a bit of the hall as well), in general that seemed reasonable at the time. 
I’m sorry if you felt it was disastrous that a den had to be in the “hall”* (again an actual dedicated greenroom space.)
By the time it was clear CC32 was going to be enormous we had no way of moving to a larger space.


My apologies to any contestants or staff who’s experience was ruined by this set up.
Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada


 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2882 From: ECM Date: 6/8/2015
Subject: Re: CC Traditions WAS: SLCG CC33 Review – Registration

 

Very true.  However, ad sharing is not just done between CCs, but between CCs & other local and regional cons.  It’s not just a tradition, it’s a good marketing device that costs everyone nothing.

Elaine
CC30


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2015 12:07:12 -0600
Subject: [runacc] CC Traditions WAS: SLCG CC33 Review – Registration

 

I discovered that there are many things that a CC “traditions” to
different people. Some people know about them, some don’t. Some people
do them, some don’t. If someone tells you to do something because it is
a tradition, ask around.

Michael
CC31

——– Original Message ——–

Now, if there were signals crossed and we (and 35, and the bid for 36)
were supposed to get free ads but that was not communicated to any of
our committees…well, that’s a different issue entirely. CC34 would
like to assure that future CCs will be accommodated as per tradition, to
allow them the best opportunities to hook attendees.

Stace
secretary, CC34

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2883 From: ECM Date: 6/8/2015
Subject: Re: SLCG CC33 Review – Friday Night

 

As the reviewer stated, “Unfortunatlely, the choice for MC was not the best, resulting in awkward pauses and mispronunciations.”  Carl chose his own way to present the entrants.  He never belittled or demeaned anyone other than himself – purposely – and aimed for comedy.  And he has promised to never MC again.

Elaine
My choice, mea culpa.


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2015 18:13:34 -0400
Subject: Re: [runacc] SLCG CC33 Review – Friday Night

 

This is another review that needed editing.  The material beginning “As for the Social. . .” and ending “. . . not down too low,” appears twice.

Byron

 

On Jun 6, 2015, at 9:32 PM, casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

 

The pre-judging time for the Single Pattern Contest was posted in the “stealth PR”.   At the con, in at least one case, a contestant was told the rehearsal was 2:00 PM.   As it turned out, there did not appear to be a rehearsal and there was some scrambling to get down to the ballroom for judging.   Bottom line: there should have been more announcements about the first competition of the con.  In any case, the show went off without a hitch, other than the MC mispronouncing  titles of entries.  Nora picked up my pre-reg form because I was elsewhere, and she was told that the rehearsal was at 2 PM.  When I found out it was actualy for pre-judging, I had to scramble.   The only notice I found later about the time was in the “stealth PR” #3.    This information should have been announced on the FB page and the D list, like other info.

Unfortunatlely, the choice for MC was not the best, resulting in awkward pauses and mispronunciations.   Otherwise, the show went off without much of a hitch.

As for the Social itself, the food spread was better than some pasr CCs, and it did not run out of protein –always a good thing.  Attendees did play along with the speakeasy theme, costume-wise.    The bar had a selection of bad beer, bad wine and bad soda.   Leftovers from the Social were moved to Hospitality – including the huge amounts of leftovers of birthday sheetcake for one of the co-chairs.   The spinning light gobos were annoying, but at least seating was adequate and the house lights were not down too low.

As for the Social itself, the food spread was better than some pasr CCs, and it did not run out of protein –always a good thing.  (It would have been nice if arrangements had been made so that the people backstage didn’t miss out on some of that protein, though).  

Attendees did play along with the speakeasy theme, costume-wise.    The bar had a selection of bad beer, bad wine and bad soda.   Leftovers from the Social were moved to Hospitality – including the huge amounts of leftover birthday cake for one of the co-chairs.   The spinning light gobos were annoying, but at least seating was adequate and the house lights were not down too low.

“I liked the free drink ticket.  It would have been nice if there were something worth drinking for free.  Charleston has some fine microbreweries.  I don’t understand not having at least one of them as a choice for a beer.  The food was the same stuff from the con suite.  I have to resurrect a comment from a CC in the past.  Deja Food.  Didn’t I just eat this.  Something that was a little amusing was the drawing they kept trying to have, only to have the person giving out the tickets scream that she was still handing them out.  Perhaps these tickets should have gone in the swag bag, like the drink ticket.  Just a thought.”

There was also this:

“The Friday Night Social was sold as featuring a variety of southern specialties. In reality, there was nothing except cheese trays and peach cobbler..…” (Not strictly true – there were pulled pork sandwiches, and the cobbler, for itself, was excellent)   “…Earlier on Friday, I heard some members suggesting that they could opt to skip dinner; I hope they didn’t do so.” 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2884 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/8/2015
Subject: Re: [runacc] SLCG CC33 Review – SF & F Masquerade‏

 

“What do the asterisks at the end of those sentences indicate?”

Byron
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Don’t know, they’re not mine, they are clipped from the original text in the review.
– Dawn

Re: [runacc] SLCG CC33 Review –

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2885 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/8/2015
Subject: Re: SLCG CC33 Review – SF & F Masquerade

 

 

add” had the various! shows been bigger, they could have been disastrous “. after the asterisk.

 

Guess I wasn’t clear enough.   Wouldn’t be the first time, nor will it be the last.

 

Bruce

 

 

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, June 8, 2015 6:27 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] SLCG CC33 Review – SF & F Masquerade

What do the asterisks at the end of those sentences indicate?

Byron

 

On Jun 8, 2015, at 5:15 PM, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 


 

Posted by: casamai@sbcglobal.net

It will be a recurring theme that, had the various! shows been bigger, they could have been disastrous.*   (Keep that in mind) 

One den wound up having to be set up out in the hall (shades of CC32)*.
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In regards to CC32—
The plan had always been to curtain off the 60’x20′ section of the Foyer/prefunction space aka. “hall” at CC32 as part of the flexible greenroom function space. See map here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/14178897@N07/18615679341/in/dateposted-public/

 

We had total

30′ x 60′ Ambrosia

19′ x 25′ Spartan

19′ x 25′ Northern S! py -and-

20′ x 60′ Foyer

 

For a total flexible Greenroom space of 4045sq ft space.

Given the size of the previous Toronto Costume-Con, and guessing maximum space need based on the attendance numbers/space usage of the quite large CC26 (who’s greenroom was 71′ x 33′ and they used a bit of the hall as well), in general that seemed reasonable at the time. 
I’m sorry if you felt it was disastrous that a den had to be in the “hall”* (again an actual dedicated greenroom space.)

By the time it was clear CC32 was going to be enormous we had no way of moving to a larger space.


My apologies to any contestants or staff who’s experience was ruined by this set up.
Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2886 From: casamai Date: 6/9/2015
Subject: SLCG CC33 Review – Pre-con info – Archival doc

(This is a test of copying and pasting from Notepad – let me know if still doesn’t work)

 

So, time one again for a review of the most recent Costume-Con.   Our group likes to thoroughly analyze a con in anticipation of the next one.  We discuss what we liked and didn’t like and then I bring it here to add to the runacc list “knowledge base”, spark discussion and hopefully help future organizers avoid common mistakes.   These are merely our opinions, and observations made not just based on what was experienced as convention attendees, but also convention veterans who have run a CC and/or have served on multiple concoms.   By no means are our opinions the “final word”, but we’ve been told we’re generally accurate and always an interesting read.

 

This year’s CC was in stark contrast to last year’s CC32 record attendance.  We can’t help but believe that this was partly due to frequent and different breakdowns of communication at both the staff and convention interaction level.  Granted, some of the problems were beyond the concom’s control, but many problems could have been easily avoided.

 

Promotion of the con was woefully inadequate.  As near as we can tell, there appeared to be a great reliance on word of mouth to bring in new members.   This opinion is based on what appeared to be a low newbie to veteran ratio.      A long time ago, when we ran CCs 16 & 25, we realized that most of a convention’s attendees will be made up of people within a 300 mile radius of the host city.   Yet, when we got to the con, it  looked to us as though there were very few locals or regional people.   It looked like a smaller version of an East Coast CC from the 1990s.  That was nice in some ways, because we got to see some friends we only see once a year, but it’s also not good.

 

As near as we can tell, it was expected that people should go out to the convention website to get most any information.  That’s where the occasional updates were and that’s where the Progress Reports were found.  The convention website was updated infrequently, and sometimes was missing info.    At times, it was a struggle for some staff to get it updated, even when the webmaster was notified.

(Side note: it’s been a problem for years that the Costume-Con.com site does not update for the next year’s countdown.  Not sure how that works, but maybe it ought to just put it out of its misery and use the .org site.   It’s just a placeholder, anyway.)

Facebook is a great tool for promotion, and yet,  the CC33 FB page was underutilized.  No attempt was made to ever get on Cosplay.com or other forums (although, this may be less important these days).  The CC33 Facebook page could have been used to get news out – but that didn’t really happen until around December last year – that’s in the three years between the site selection and the event.  The rest of the time, the page was mostly about funny stuff about the con officers or tourist stuff about Charleston.

 

We’ve said this in the past – con committees should have a “communications officer” whose sole job is to constantly come up with content and be comfortable with social media.    So far, CC34 has been making some efforts – they’ve even been producing some online promotional video content.

 

Progress Reports:  As near as we can tell, it was never announced when each one was posted to the website.   Not on the FB page, not on the D list – nowhere.   Maybe they sent notices to those who were registered?

Recommendations for future concoms:

 

Make greater use of social media, especially, when trying to reach new members.

Have a staffer whose specific task is to come up with content – preferably someone not doing anything else major at the con, either.   They should function as sort of a newsletter editor, constantly looking for content to post.   They should build up a store of news items from the major department heads that they can “squirt out” every so often.   Either that, or have the event heads be sure to post something of interest every so often.   Many people are not familiar with CC – put some factoids out there, so that new people aren’t coming in not knowing what to expect.

 

BROADCAST INFO OVER ALL PLATFORMS: Twitter, FB, the website, the ICG-D list, etc.   Don’t ignore any opportunities to promote anything new and get people talking, and don’t favor one platform over another.

Have staffers on Facebook share any posts off the convention FB page.   This way, you’re not only reaching those who follow the page, but it also broadcasts it to all their friends who may only be on the fringe of the costuming community.  Staffers should also invite their FB friends to Like the convention FB page.  Also, find and join costuming related FB pages so you can share info about CC.   In recent talks with the CC34 staff, it’s been determined that communications among cosplayers has decentralized, and now there are FB pages dedicated to the regions or venues where they are most likely to attend.   As an example, “STL Cosplayers Unite” (St. Louis area) has 621 members.   There are lots of Steampunk groups out there that should be investigated, too.  Don’t forget that huge following of people on the Historical clothing Yahoo Group, either.   Did you know there is a specific FB page  called the “Future Fashion Design Center”?

 

CC34 has come up with some really nice full color post card sized flyers.   These seem to work better than the old school 8″x10″ ones these days, and are more eye-catching   They’re also not as expensive to print as they use to be.

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2887 From: spiritof_76 Date: 6/9/2015
Subject: Re: SLCG CC33 Review – Pre-con info – Archival doc
No repetition of paragraphs that I saw. Just some extra blank lines
between paragraphs.

Michael

 

Group: runacc Message: 2888 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/10/2015
Subject: Re: SLCG CC33 Review – Pre-con info – Archival doc
Well, when my copy came through, it was all at least evenly spaced between the paragraphs.

Bruce

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 9:10 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] SLCG CC33 Review – Pre-con info – Archival doc

No repetition of paragraphs that I saw. Just some extra blank lines between paragraphs.

Michael

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Group: runacc Message: 2889 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/15/2015
Subject: SLCG CC33 Review – Hospitality – Archival doc

 

 

This publication, distributed prior to the convention will be recorded as one of the worst in the convention’s history.    As near as we can tell, there must have been a heavy reliance on the convention regulars and tradition to get the word out about it, because the only evidence we can find of promotion was on the website and 1 email back in July.   There may have been promoting  elsewhere on other lists they belong to, but FB and the ICG-D list are the primary forums for reaching a majority of the potential attendees.   The only content found about the rules for the Folio were on the website and PR #2.

This  lack of promotion HAD to have been a factor in the serious lag in submissions, resulting in the submission deadline being pushed back at least once.   Some people didn’t know about the extension because that announcement was not made widely.

While selecting judges from 3 different time zones might be doable these days, thanks to the Internet, there were coordination difficulties.  The Editor insisted on routing only one set of the submissions to one judge at a time, rather than providing  them to all three simultaneously.    Once the judges had all finally made their own reviews, they supposedly Skyped to confer.  This process, and then the time taken for publication, took until late February.

The con chairs should have been monitoring the situation and either replaced the Editor  or advised them to come up with a better solution like finding local judges in their area.  However, because one of the con chairs had their own health issues, thus their co-chair/spouse was distracted.

Finally, the link to the finished Folio was sent out on March 6 – less than 10 weeks from the convention.    There was no announcement on the D list, no announcement on the FB page.   There should have been a greater effort to get the word out about it – people are lazy and won’t seek it out.  And once the link was sent, not everyone could open the PDF file.

As for the content of the Folio, while there was a claim that there were “so many designs”, there were only 5 designers, with only 96 published pages, which included some blanks to assure that it would print out formatted correctly.

The recognition system of “you’re either in the Folio or not” was discarded in favor of 1st, 2nd and 3rd places and people didn’t like it.   Even when the Folio finally came out, most of the designs left people uninspired – we heard this from several people at the con, not just our own people.   (Maybe this is a panel for the next CC – can design be taught?)    Many of the designs were too complicated to be able to be completed in the short amount of time left.

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2890 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/16/2015
Subject: Arrrrgh! Apologies!

 

 

I can’t stand it.   I had two emails open and intended to make sure I stayed in order.   I apparently got confused.   I’ll try that again later.

Bruce

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2891 From: von_drago Date: 6/16/2015
Subject: Future Fashion Design Center on Facebook

Anyone running a Folio or Folio show for the next several CCs might want to check out this FB page. Created by Cat Devereaux and I’m one of the admins so if someone after CC34 was interested in posting things – it’s a great form of easy communication.

 

Nora

 

Group: runacc Message: 2892 From: spiritof_76 Date: 6/17/2015
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Design Center on Facebook

Did that page replace her website, or is that still a resource as well?

Michael

On 2015-06-16 20:01, von_drago@yahoo.com [runacc] wrote:
> Anyone running a Folio or Folio show for the next several CCs might
> want to check out this FB page. Created by Cat Devereaux and I’m one
> of the admins so if someone after CC34 was interested in posting
> things – it’s a great form of easy communication.
>
> Nora

 

Group: runacc Message: 2893 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/17/2015
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Design Center on Facebook

No, her sites are still viable too.

Nora

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 12:58 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Future Fashion Design Center on Facebook

Did that page replace her website, or is that still a resource as well?

Michael

On 2015-06-16 20:01, von_drago@yahoo.com [runacc] wrote:
> Anyone running a Folio or Folio show for the next several CCs might
> want to check out this FB page. Created by Cat Devereaux and I’m one
> of the admins so if someone after CC34 was interested in posting
> things – it’s a great form of easy communication.
>
> Nora

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Group: runacc Message: 2894 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/6/2015
Subject: SLCG CC33 Review – Future Fashion Folio – Archival doc

 

 

This publication, distributed prior to the convention will be recorded as one of the worst in the convention’s history.    As near as we can tell, they must have been relying on the convention regulars and tradition to get the word out about it, because the only evidence we can find of promotion was on the website and 1 email back in July last year.   They may have been promoting  elsewhere on other lists they belong to, but FB and the ICG-D list are the primary forums for reaching a majority of the potential attendees.   The only content found about the rules for the Folio were on the website and PR #2.

This  lack of promotion HAD to have been a factor in the serious lag in submissions, resulting in the deadline being pushed back at least once.   Some people didn’t know about the extension because that announcement was not made widely.

While selecting judges from 3 different time zones might be doable these days, thanks to the Internet, there were coordination difficulties.  They also insisted on routing only one set of the submissions to one judge at a time, rather than providing  them to all three simultaneously.    Once the judges had all finally made their own reviews, they supposedly Skyped to confer.  This process, and then the time taken for publication, took until late February.

The con chairs should have been monitoring the situation and either replaced the Editor  or advised them to come up with a better solution like finding local judges in their area.  However, because one of the con chairs had their own health issues, thus their co-chair/spouse was distracted.

Finally, the link to the finished Folio was sent out on March 6 – less than 10 weeks from the convention.    There was no announcement on the D list, no announcement on the FB page.   There should have been a greater effort to get the word out about it – people are lazy and won’t seek it out.  And once the link was sent, not everyone could open the PDF.

As for the content of the Folio, while there was a claim that there were “so many designs” – there were only 5 designers, with only 96 published pages.   The published Folio was only 96 pages, which included some blanks to assure that it would print out formatted correctly.

The recognition system of “you’re either in the Folio or not” was discarded in favor of 1st, 2nd and 3rd places and people didn’t like it.   Even when the Folio finally came out, most of the designs left people uninspired – we heard this from several people at the con, not just our own people.   (Maybe this is a panel for the next CC – can design be taught?)    Many of the designs were too complicated to be able to be completed in the short amount of time left.

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2895 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/6/2015
Subject: SLCG CC33 Review – Hotel – Archival doc

 

 

Many different opinions and experiences with the hotel.  It was certainly convenient to get to.   FREE PARKING(!).   The worst thing we had was Housekeeping was sometimes a little slow delivering supplies.   The elevators were quick.   The staff was all mostly friendly.   We didn’t see the amount of wear others saw.

The hotel food was not bad, the prices typical for the area.   But not everyone had the same experiences.

“I didn’t particularly care for the attitude of the staff in the restaurant.  “We’re usually not open for lunch, we’re just doing this for your group.”  Said with a kind of put-out tone of voice.  That really put me off the place so we never ate there again.” 

 

Another commenter:

“Restaurant was OK for breakfast. It was nice to be able to pay for the buffet in advance so we could just leave when we were done, rather than waiting forever for the check. We only ate there once for dinner (time crunch) and the buffet fare was definitely not worth the $18 price. Staff was OK for us. We don’t usually eat lunch at a con, so didn’t encounter the lunch problem.”

 

While there were no restaurants within walking distance, there were several within 5 minutes driving time.   Supposedly, the hotel shuttle would take you anywhere you wanted to go within a 3 mile radius for free.  There was also one that would take you downtown, to the visitor’s bureau.   There was no hot tub, but there was an indoor/outdoor pool.    Perhaps hot tubs are not as big a thing in the South?

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2896 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/6/2015
Subject: SLCG CC33 Review – Registration – Archival doc

 

 

At least some registration stuff was there to pick up Thursday evening, but there was apparently some miscommunication about giving out the complete packets, so some of people had to pick up the rest the next day.

This one really confused me. The swag bags were ready. I know. I stuffed them all on Tuesday night. I’m not sure why they weren’t available Thursday night.

There were not enough people to man Registration and we saw one person who appeared to be spending an awful lot of time behind the table.  This seemed to be a recurring indicator that the con was understaffed.

To us the “swag bag” was not much to write home about.  There was no map of the hotel, but the layout was relatively simple and the few meeting rooms used were all together in one place, save for a board room on the third floor (which was hard to find at first until someone posted a handwritten sign).

The program book was minimal at best and had a number of errors, mostly regarding info about the panels (missing descriptions or no description at all in one or two cases). 

The program book broke down as follows:

32 pages including front cover. 

2 blank pages (inside of front cover and front side of back page). 

No back cover. 

Letter from con chairs 1 page. 

Panel descriptions 3 pages, some of which had no description in the program book.

Harassment Policy: 2 pages

Bios – 6 pages

Ads – 3 pages, two half page ads and 2 full page ads

Costume Con Constitution – 9 pages

Other articles – 6 pages (Miss Lizzy’s Travelling Historical Fashion Show, Astronaut Quilt, Richard Man: Transformations: Cosplay, List of past CostumeCons).

The two blank pages were a real waste of space.  The letters from the Co-chairs could have been photocopied onto the back of the front cover and the Rare Recorded Videos ad moved up a page, saving a page.  I find it curious that there was no ad space for any of the upcoming Costume Cons.  I think blank pages would be better used by including some traceable human figures, one male and one female and perhaps some info on the upcoming Future Fashion Folio.

 

The list of past CostumeCons was nice and would have made the Con Chair’s toast at the dead dog party a lot easier, if there had been a dead dog party.

 

Local GuideNot quite as helpful as one would have liked.  We actually needed to find the Walmart listed on the guide.  It took a lot of driving around on the other side of the highway.  There are lots of signs there claiming the presence of a Walmart, but none of them point you in the proper direction.  A simple hand drawn map would have cleared all that up.  Another thing lacking on the local guide is some useful info about laws in the area.  It took a wasted trip to the liquor store to discover that liquor stores in SC are not allowed to sell beer.

The programming schedule grid sheet was hard to read correctly, leading people to misread start times by 30 minutes.   There ought to be a better software out there for these kinds of things.  If something exists, it could be shared from year to year.

This suffered from the usual lack of basic knowledge of Excel.  It’s a simple thing to merge cells together vertically and center the time so that you know for sure that this line means 9:00 and that line means 9:30.  There was some real confusion caused by the pocket program about whether certain panels started at 1:00 or 1:30.  Having each day on its own page did make for some simple folding to display at a glance what was coming up on that day.

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2897 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/7/2015
Subject: SLCG CC33 Review – Friday Night – Archival doc

 

 

FRIDAY NIGHT

The pre-judging time for the Single Pattern Contest was posted in the “stealth PR”.   At the con, in at least one case, a contestant was told the rehearsal was 2:00 PM.   As it turned out, there did not appear to be a rehearsal and there was some scrambling to get down to the ballroom for judging.   Bottom line: there should have been more announcements about the first competition of the con.  In any case, the show went off without a hitch, other than the MC mispronouncing  titles of entries.

As for the Social itself, the food spread was better than some past CCs, and it did not run out of protein –always a good thing.  (It would have been nice if arrangements had been made so that the people backstage didn’t miss out on some of that protein, though).

Attendees did play along with the speakeasy theme, costume-wise.    The bar had a selection of bad beer, bad wine and bad soda.   Leftovers from the Social were moved to Hospitality – including the huge amounts of leftover birthday cake for one of the co-chairs.   The spinning light gobos were annoying, but at least seating was adequate and the house lights were not down too low.

FNS –  I liked the free drink ticket.  It would have been nice if there were something worth drinking for free.  Charleston has some fine microbreweries.  I don’t understand not having at least one of them as a choice for a beer.  The food was the same stuff from the con suite.  I have to resurrect a comment from a CC in the past.  “Deja Food”.  Didn’t I just eat this?  Something that was a little amusing was the drawing they kept trying to have, only to have the person giving out the tickets scream that she was still handing them out.  Perhaps these tickets should have gone in the swag bag, like the drink ticket.  Just a thought.

 

There was also this:

 

The Friday Night Social was sold as featuring a variety of southern specialties. In reality, there was nothing except cheese trays and peach cobbler..…” (Not strictly true – there were pulled pork sandwiches, and the cobbler, for itself, was excellent)   “…Earlier on Friday, I heard some members suggesting that they could opt to skip dinner; I hope they didn’t do so.

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2898 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/7/2015
Subject: SLCG CC33 Review – Hospitality (for real) – Archival doc

 

 

(In refer4ence to Friday Night and food)  “Deja Food”, indeed.   The “egg mcmuffins” the SLCG sponsored Sunday morning in the Suite were appreciated, and several people thanked us later for providing them.   At least, those didn’t run out before most people who got up early enough didn’t miss out on them.   However, had we been reminded that the Brunch was supposed to be at 10:00 AM, we would have probably chosen a different time to sponsor the Suite.

The selection of food in the con suite got really boring.  I’m sure this was written into the hotel contract, but those sorts of things are always negotiable.  No hotel can make that an absolute.  You can always go to another hotel.  Some groups did manage to sneak some extra stuff into the room though.  I noticed the cheese curds from the CC Madison folks and the Mead.  I mentioned before the predilection for putting a little sugar in the unsweet tea.  I did like having tea to drink though.  The space needed to be a little larger and have a few more tables.  There were several mornings where Sue and I were a little stuck for a place to sit and the love seat in the middle of the room caused some traffic problems, some that couldn’t even be solved by leaving one door and coming back in the other.  The room was kept relatively clean by the hotel staff.  Aside from sugar in my unsweet tea, I can’t complain about them much.

The other bright spot in the otherwise repetitive fare in Hospitality was an ice cream social sponsored by Atomacon, a local SF con.    The one glaring item missing all weekend was soda.  All the drinks (tea, juices, etc.) were sweetened to some extent – even the apple juice (?).

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2899 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/7/2015
Subject: SLCG CC33 Review – Programming – Archival doc

 

 

The Programming person was noticeably distracted by personal events, leading up to the last few months of the con.

There were misgivings about a peer having their way paid as guest – not sure what precedent that might set in the future.   Opinions were mixed as to the variety of panels and demos, so there was no consensus one way or another.    Most people liked what they saw.

There was a decent variety, just not enough of them.

 

It’s hard to strike that right balance of enough and not enough.   Not enough, people get bored.   Too many, then they complain about having to choose between panels.   One possibility might be to have more panels, but repeat some of them.

Also, the staggered start and end times were confusing and usually meant I either had to miss the last part of one, or the first part of another.

 

And:

 

My biggest issue was there was nowhere that said who was on what panels – so if you were on a panel and didn’t know what name it was in the program, you couldn’t find it. Also, if you were looking for someone in particular, no way to find what panel they might be on so you could find them.

The fact that this was not a very big con probably explains why the Friday and Saturday “My First Costume-Con” panels never had more than 5 people in them.  We believe they’re still an important panel to have, and provide an important service to newcomers – especially to let them know about Hospitality.   One of the newbies came all the way from North Dakota, and we suspect we have a new convert.

Very few panels had less than three attendees: apparently, the panel on how the Library of Congress is now archiving masquerade video was surprisingly well attended(!).

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2900 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/7/2015
Subject: SLCG CC33 Review – SF & F Masquerade – Archival doc

 

 

It will be a recurring theme that, had the various shows been bigger, they could have been disastrous.   (Keep that in mind where you see the *)

For whatever reasons, all the normal tech crews were unavailable for CC33.  Probably , just a case of bad timing.    It was fortunate that Eric and Sue were able to bring at least a barebones tech set up along with their video equipment.    The PR#3 said people could submit their presentation music on either CDs or USB drives.  It turned out, though, there was limited tech – the amount of tech the Cannons could bring was limited by  the space in their car.   Because of that, all MP3 files had to be burned to CDs before they could be played.   They HAD suggested people bring more than one copy on more than one medium, but people may have not have done that, and it was not mentioned again during registration, starting while the ICG meeting was going on Friday.   (We have since learned that the MD was unaware of this issue) .   Tech COULD have run WAY behind while the files were burned late in the day Saturday.*

Contestants were told to arrive at the Green Room at 6:00 PM – the GR was not prepared.   It seems they must have started getting organized, because it was 20-30 minutes before they allowed people in.  Not sure why people were only allowed into the somewhat cramped space in running order, and then assigned their den.

F/SF was the worst for space. I can’t say for the FFS/Curtains, because I wasn’t back there. Historical was tight, but not as much as F/SF…… The person arriving to do check-in was unpleasant and we had a bit of a snip-fest at the beginning. I was trying to be efficient, and she wanted things HER way.

 

Another quote:

 

….We didn’t get a running order and # of people per entry until at least 6:30, so we couldn’t set up the dens till then. It helped that the last entry was the 12 body entry, so they got the hall kind of by default. There was no way to put them in the room.

This made for a longer delay.   That’s really inefficient, especially when they were already running late.*    The contestants had to repeat their info to different people, even though they were right next to each other – probably a noise AND organization issue.

The dens were poorly set up with chairs in an oval, with no tables  – there was no space.   The contestants were told they could not use more than one seat, so where were they supposed to put the stuff they brought down?  Guess no one had thought of that.   One den wound up having to be set up out in the hall *.

Some entries wouldn’t have fit into the quilt room.  We were already having issues with exit doors – apparently the fire marshal was there and was being picky about stuff blocking the doors.

 

And:

 

…we were having to steal chairs from the audience because there weren’t enough in the green room for everyone.

 

As well as:

 

In hindsight, for F/SF, we really needed to swap the spaces of two of the dens (and put Santa into the corner). That giant costume kept sticking out into the only path for movement we had and catching every dangly bit that went by.

 

The den moms were given hats to wear to identify them, but apparently, no one actually mentioned that.   Guess it was supposed to be assumed.   The den moms were not informed to make sure people got to the official photographer – at least not initially.    The GR ran out of water at some point.   It DID have a repair kit, and it was used.

Recommendations: aprons instead of hats, and hand fans.

Official Photography took up about ¼ of the space that could have been used for Green Room, but there was no where else to really put it.

One person said: I don’t think there was really anyplace else for the photographers to go other than in that room – the partitions were kind of arbitrary, so yes, it was 1/3 of the space.

The judges were not photographed as part of the official record – not sure who would have been responsible for making sure that happened.

Workmanship judges were placed at the end of the main hall where the audience could potentially see them before the show – no attempt to curtain that area off was made (probably because it wasn’t really thought about until the last minute).

It was obvious that the con had some staffing issues, since the GR Director was also shooting the reference photos, as well as having been working Registration each day.  Unfortunately, her assistant was apparently not very experienced at the GR check in process.    There was also a shortage of backstage crew, with only 3 ninjas ( I stepped in to help).

The photo run ran without a problem, and the judges returned shortly after the video halftime. (The Workmanship judging panel had taken a little longer to complete deliberations).   Overall, less time might have been taken had the printing of awards started immediately after the Presentation judges had finished, rather than waiting for the Workmanship results.   It was apparently a bit of a “duh’ moment.   Regardless, awards were fair, there were enough people recognized for their efforts, and there were no controversies.

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2901 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/8/2015
Subject: SLCG CC33 Review – Sunday Daytime Activities – Archival doc

 

 

There was more than one lack of communication in regards to the Future Fashion Show .

There had been an announcement sometime late in 2014 on the FB page and (stealth) PR #3 about a Sunday Brunch and Cotillion “in conjunction” with the Future Fashion Show  at 10:00 AM  – this was the first the FFS Director learned of it, rather than via the Staff Yahoo group.   That was supposed to be the time when rehearsals would have been called.  The “brunch” was served – an hour late – in the main traffic hall outside the ballroom.   A sign was posted on the door of the Ballroom, stating that the FFS would start at 11:30 AM – again, the Director was not personally informed.   The brunch fare was slightly different (sandwiches and deep fried mac & cheese accompanied by the déjà food, but the protein ran out early) and the “cotillion” mostly consisted of some ladies standing around in their hoopskirts because there was no seating and they were not allowed to enter the ballroom while tech was going on.    Overall, it was poorly organized and poorly executed.

There were two factors that led to this year’s Future Fashion Show being the smallest in the con’s history.  The first factor was the Folio Editor’s mismanagement of the Folio, leaving little time for anyone to consider making an outfit for the show.  And so, there were only 2 children’s entries and one adult – all three were designed by the same person (the adult – who was not related to the children in any way).  The Folio Show Director made token efforts to promote the show, but it was deemed mostly of no use, given the lateness of the Folio.

The second major factor that affected the Folio show was the “Miss Ellen’s Portieres” competition.  This challenge apparently captured the imaginations of a lot of people – the show had more entries than the SF & F masquerade.   As a result, the people who had intended to enter both competitions had to choose between this or the Folio Show.    (Side note: People in the Portiere show as contestants, staff, and crew, were not accommodated by the committee to get brunch food to them).

Given the poor quality of the Future Fashion Folio, it’s not surprising that there were only three entries in the Future Fashion Show.  I think a contributing factor was scheduling the curtain contest immediately after.  Given that the Future Fashion Show is expressly called for in the Constitution, I think it’s time to stop scheduling things so that a person has to choose do I do the Future Fashion Show or do I do this other thing.  Either move those things to the Friday Night Social, as has been done in the past, or here’s a thought.  How about a contest for Monday afternoon.  No one seems to schedule any programming for that time.  Why not give us a contest?

 

Another:

Any extra stuff needs to either go with the Single Pattern on Friday, or be a display-only competition like shoes or ties. I think the tote-bag one that CC34 is doing is in that category, but I may be wrong

 

And finally:

You would think that, by now, we would have learned that putting anything in proximity to the FFS is detrimental to the Future Fashion Show.  It’s happened time and again.  This is something we really need to emphasize…

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2902 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/8/2015
Subject: SLCG CC33 Review – Historical – Archival doc

 

 

Prejudging took place in the Green Room again, with the distractions of Tech Rehearsals.  There were only 10 entries in the show, so again – good thing it was a small con.*(Could have been a disaster if the con had been bigger)

An opportunity was missed to keep the judges corralled and also allow them additional time for discussion by arranging for them to have dinner together.   This worked at CC31.

Another recommendation –  Make sure to allow time for judges to change to costumes before the show – your costumes are the creds on your back.

The Green Room was the same size, but the contestants took up just about as much room because of 9 people with wings, among other things.  There was only one noticeable tech snag.  Again, the feeling by people was the awards were in adequate numbers, fair and again, no controversies.   Some of the contestants were surprised and pleased to be recognized.   At halftime, the quilt and doll awards announcements could have been done before the judges got back.

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2903 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/8/2015
Subject: SLCG CC33 Review – Monday – Archival doc

 

 

The Monday tour of Charleston was… a bit disorganized.   Originally, we had to sign up ahead of time before the con and send in a down payment for it.   Then, we found out a couple of weeks before we left that the tour time would slightly overlap the Road Show time slot.   We managed to arrange it so that we’d have 30 minutes to get stuff in the room and meet for pick up.   Then, we were told the tour was cancelled. During the weekend, we were told the tour was back ON again, but even earlier than we had been told.   Fortunately, Pierre and Sandy weren’t going on the tour, so they covered for us, and apparently had a pretty good turnout.

Upon our return from the Charleston tour, we learned there would be no Dead Dog Party.   Supposedly, it would take place the following night.    What in the world were they thinking?

The big problem with the con suite was that it disappeared Monday afternoon, leaving no space for the dead dog party.  Some real lack of planning there.

 

 

 

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Group: runacc Message: 2804 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/2/2015
Subject: Re: Survey – (was Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costume
Group: runacc Message: 2805 From: Kaijugal . Date: 5/2/2015
Subject: Re: Survey – (was Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costume
Group: runacc Message: 2806 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/3/2015
Subject: Re: Survey – (was Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costume
Group: runacc Message: 2807 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/24/2015
Subject: A potential schedule of CCs for the future?
Group: runacc Message: 2808 From: beckieboo817 Date: 5/27/2015
Subject: Costume Con 36
Group: runacc Message: 2809 From: ma0902432 Date: 5/28/2015
Subject: Re: Costume Con 36
Group: runacc Message: 2810 From: ECM Date: 5/28/2015
Subject: Re: Costume Con 36
Group: runacc Message: 2811 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/30/2015
Subject: CC33 review is coming
Group: runacc Message: 2812 From: Tina Connell Date: 5/31/2015
Subject: Re: CC33 review is coming
Group: runacc Message: 2813 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/31/2015
Subject: Re: CC33 review is coming
Group: runacc Message: 2814 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/31/2015
Subject: Fashion folio Requirements/style/artist question
Group: runacc Message: 2815 From: ECM Date: 5/31/2015
Subject: Re: Fashion folio Requirements/style/artist question
Group: runacc Message: 2816 From: Vicky Young Date: 5/31/2015
Subject: Re: Fashion folio Requirements/style/artist question
Group: runacc Message: 2817 From: Pierre and Sandy Pettinger Date: 5/31/2015
Subject: Re: CC33 review is coming
Group: runacc Message: 2818 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/31/2015
Subject: Re: Fashion folio Requirements/style/artist question
Group: runacc Message: 2819 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/1/2015
Subject: Re: Fashion folio Requirements/style/artist question
Group: runacc Message: 2820 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 6/1/2015
Subject: Re: Fashion folio Requirements/style/artist question
Group: runacc Message: 2821 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/1/2015
Subject: Re: Fashion folio Requirements/style/artist question
Group: runacc Message: 2822 From: staceylee25 Date: 6/1/2015
Subject: Re: Fashion folio Requirements/style/artist question
Group: runacc Message: 2823 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/1/2015
Subject: Re: Fashion folio Requirements/style/artist question
Group: runacc Message: 2824 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/1/2015
Subject: Re: Fashion folio Requirements/style/artist question – Betsy
Group: runacc Message: 2825 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/1/2015
Subject: Re: Fashion folio Requirements/style/artist question – Andy
Group: runacc Message: 2826 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/1/2015
Subject: Re: Fashion folio Requirements/style/artist question
Group: runacc Message: 2827 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/3/2015
Subject: Re: Fashion folio Requirements/style/artist question
Group: runacc Message: 2828 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/3/2015
Subject: Re: Fashion folio Requirements/style/artist question
Group: runacc Message: 2829 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/3/2015
Subject: Re: Fashion folio Requirements/style/artist question
Group: runacc Message: 2830 From: Kevin Roche Date: 6/3/2015
Subject: Re: Fashion folio Requirements/style/artist question
Group: runacc Message: 2831 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/3/2015
Subject: Re: Fashion folio Requirements/style/artist question
Group: runacc Message: 2832 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/3/2015
Subject: Re: Fashion folio Requirements/style/artist question
Group: runacc Message: 2833 From: casamai Date: 6/5/2015
Subject: SLCG CC33 Review – Intro and Pre-con Promotion
Group: runacc Message: 2834 From: spiritof_76 Date: 6/6/2015
Subject: Re: SLCG CC33 Review – Intro and Pre-con Promotion
Group: runacc Message: 2835 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/6/2015
Subject: Re: SLCG CC33 Review – Intro and Pre-con Promotion
Group: runacc Message: 2836 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/6/2015
Subject: Re: SLCG CC33 Review – Intro and Pre-con Promotion-correction
Group: runacc Message: 2837 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/6/2015
Subject: Re: SLCG CC33 Review – Intro and Pre-con Promotion
Group: runacc Message: 2838 From: casamai Date: 6/6/2015
Subject: Re: SLCG CC33 Review – Intro and Pre-con Promotion
Group: runacc Message: 2839 From: casamai Date: 6/6/2015
Subject: Re: SLCG CC33 Review – Intro and Pre-con Promotion
Group: runacc Message: 2840 From: casamai Date: 6/6/2015
Subject: SLCG CC33 Review – Future Fashion Folio
Group: runacc Message: 2841 From: casamai Date: 6/6/2015
Subject: SLCG CC33 Review – The Hotel
Group: runacc Message: 2842 From: casamai Date: 6/6/2015
Subject: SLCG CC33 Review – Registration
Group: runacc Message: 2843 From: casamai Date: 6/6/2015
Subject: SLCG CC33 Review – Friday Night
Group: runacc Message: 2844 From: casamai Date: 6/6/2015
Subject: SLCG CC33 Review – Programming
Group: runacc Message: 2845 From: ECM Date: 6/6/2015
Subject: Re: SLCG CC33 Review – Intro and Pre-con Promotion
Group: runacc Message: 2846 From: casamai Date: 6/6/2015
Subject: SLCG CC33 Review – Hospitality
Group: runacc Message: 2847 From: casamai Date: 6/6/2015
Subject: SLCG CC33 Review – SF & F Masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 2848 From: casamai Date: 6/6/2015
Subject: SLCG CC33 Review – FFS and other stuph
Group: runacc Message: 2849 From: casamai Date: 6/6/2015
Subject: SLCG CC33 REview – Historical
Group: runacc Message: 2850 From: casamai Date: 6/6/2015
Subject: SLCG CC33 Review – Monday
Group: runacc Message: 2851 From: casamai Date: 6/6/2015
Subject: SLCG CC33 Review – Dealers Room
Group: runacc Message: 2852 From: casamai Date: 6/6/2015
Subject: SLCG CC33 Review – One last recommendation
Group: runacc Message: 2853 From: casamai Date: 6/6/2015
Subject: SLCG CC33 Review – Exhibit Room

 


 

Group: runacc Message: 2804 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/2/2015
Subject: Re: Survey – (was Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costume

 

 

You’re right – AN is the exception. Therefore, my comments don’t apply there.  And i was quoting from the other email – I should have excluded it.   You should have spoken up, there.  😉

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2015 9:29 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [runacc] Survey – (was Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes…)


Bruce Mai wrote:

“Now, at these large media cons mentioned (Dragon Con, AN, etc.) , their shows are more “costume contests and maybe they don’t care  – this is Costume-Con.   Costume-Con has masquerades.”

 

—–

No Bruce,


At Anime North we have a MASQUERADE  just so, ( with same emphasis to make point).

 

To say we don’t, or don’t care, it just straight up being rude.


Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada

 


 

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 19:43:41 -0500
Subject: RE: [runacc] Survey – (was Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes…)

 

Getting back to the discussion late:

 

Re (With apologies to the Honey Badger) “cosplayers don’t care”.    Reading the discussion and drawing from my own experience, I can certainly understand the mindset of there being less of a  sense of “competition-worthy” costumes, but Stace’s comments give me some insight into the perception.  So, it’s not so much “onstage competition-worthy” – that energy is less focused on masquerade competition and more about impressing their peers and the public in the halls.     There’s apparently still a healthy sense of competition among a certain percentage of costumer/cosplayers, though.   Nonetheless, there are  “horror stories” of the ones that lie about their workmanship, etc.   (Andy has a very notorious example of that).

 

Now, at these large media cons mentioned (Dragon Con, AN, etc.) , their shows are more “costume contests and maybe they don’t care  – this is Costume-Con.   Costume-Con has masquerades.   The con has its own culture, and should be recognized as unique in its focus.   Yes, it should be inclusive, but I think it does a disservice to new people to assume they are not  willing to learn about how a different con works.

    

Re: Awards – Those “horse ribbons” represent more at CC.  Sure, the big cons have all sorts of prizes, etc.   But at CC, they represent recognition by their peers that they are respected for their efforts.   That shouldn’t be underestimated.   And for a lot of people, that respect is more important to them because their labors of love are acknowledged.    I know –  I have seen the excitement and tears when they get called up on stage. 

 

An additional thought or two: One thing that sets CC apart is the opportunity to have a tech rehearsal.   I fully understand the decisions made by the CC32 tech crew to abbreviate times (or outright deny time to some) for completely valid logistical reasons, due to the number of entries.   I just hope that’s not a precedent set.   New people are always amazed and thankful for the time to walk the stage with Tech.  And frankly, that’s probably only a danger when we’re back in San Diego and Toronto.    Hopefully, aware of CC32’s experience, those bigger cons will  plan accordingly.

 

Ultimately, it’s still the prerogative of each MD, or concom, to set the costume policy.    Should CC34 adopt the suggestions made on this list, it will be interesting to see what impact it has on the hall costumes as well as the quality of the masquerade(s).  It’s is an opportunity to “make new mistakes!”, as pas CC con staff have frequently exhorted  the concoms that follow to do.

 

For my part, I’m actually glad to know what the policy for Toronto will be – I think it might give me a slight advantage over many of my fellow competitors.  🙂

 

Bruce

 

 

 

 

On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 3:36 PM, castleb@atlanticbb.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Masquerade rules have not been standardized over the years, and have been at the discretion of each Masquerade Director. Can anyone give me an example where wearing your competition costume in the halls before the competition was explicitly forbidden? My memory of this (which may be inaccurate) is that it has always been put forth as a strongly worded suggestion. As others have pointed out, the more people that see a costume before a competition, the less the element of surprise and pleasure at seeing it for the first time, which may affect the perception of both the audience and the judges. If the competitor doesn’t care and wants to wear their costume in the halls, that’s their prerogative.

Fashion Show is a separate case, because those costumes are special, and seeing them in the halls (or entered in the F&S/F masquerade the night before) is generally considered a no-no. The Fashion Show costumes entered in the Masquerade issue occurred at the very first convention I attended, and it left a lasting impression of impropriety. Again, if you’ve seen it in the halls or in a previous competition, then there is no incentive to attend the Fashion Show and see the design-to-reality magic on stage. And again, I’m not sure if there has ever been a specific proscription spelled out in the rules for Fashion Show participation.

 

Competitions have rules. If you want to compete, you have to follow the rules. If a masquerade director or con chair feels strongly enough, maybe this needs to move from a “suggestion” to a “rule.”


I kind of like the “A costume worn in the halls other than to transport it and yourself to the green room is not eligible for Best in Show” is a nice compromise. You can enter, but if you want the biggest big ribbon, you need to keep it under wraps.

 

 

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 11:39 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Survey – (was Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes…)

 

Pretty much what Vicky said. Now, I haven’t gone to a large anime con in years (AnimeCentral, Anime Detour) but when people are talking about churning out 3-8 costumes a year, they’re talking about hall costumes. They want to have things specifically for series/fandom photoshoots and to fill spots in groups with friends, for the most part. But sometimes these hall costumes do end up on stage, whether on a whim or because the masquerade simply exists.

As to the idea that the big cons “don’t care” if you wear your stage costume in the halls? Not always true. At Dragon*Con there is an entirely different culture of costuming, it really can’t be compared to most cons we regularly attend. It’s a special monster. Some of the big anime cons have all-day pre-judging so you’re FORCED to wear your costume in the halls, even for a little bit, something I personally abhor with every fiber of my being. But competition at these same places can be cutthroat. People will lie about commissions, fight for the coveted spots in the show, sandbag with costumes that’ve already won Best in Show elsewhere, etc.

What’s in it for the cosplayers? Sure, winning is “just” a ribbon and a certificate some places, but some places it’s swag. Some places it’s a large trophy (I have 5 sitting on my mantle across the room). So if it’s “just” a certificate, why the vicious competition? Don’t blame Heroes of Cosplay, it was around before that pile of fake drama. Competition is still a thing, in people’s minds, so to dismiss something as simple as “don’t damage your costume or prejudice the judges” as unnecessary isn’t taking the whole picture into account. We’ve all collectively listed a lot of great reasons not to wear your competition piece all weekend, and “we’ve seen it already, it’s boring” is the LEAST of those reasons.

The reason I advocate a rule or at least a guideline is because in a lot of cases, cultivating a habit or a new (old) way of doing things takes time, patience, and a lot of one-on-one handholding. I would say Geek-kon needed at least 5 years of the costume department and masq. directors diligently sticking to their guns and slogging through a routine before people started to catch on that the masquerade is more fun and interesting when you bring your biggest, shiniest thing and really put some effort into it versus wearing closet-raided Naruto costumes and making out with your gf on stage. Actual example, not making that up. But that routine included requiring rehearsals and checking with people before handing them a hall cosplay award for the same costume they were taking to the masquerade. Having rules in place speeds it up – without rules, that transition would have taken a lot more than 5 years.

I don’t know that we’re ever going to come to a consensus but at least understanding where everyone is coming from is important. Plus, it’s very hard to blanket-statement any of this. Every region has different habits and traditions. What flies at Anime Boston is gauche at Anime Detour, and what’s passe on the coasts is still really popular in the Midwest. To a point, we have to let regional cons do what works in their region. But there are some things that aren’t a bad idea to attempt to universally adopt, and that’s why we argue on this list. 🙂

Stace

 

 

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From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 8:51 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Survey – (was Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes…)

 

 

As someone who’s speaking from almost entirely the Anime/Gaming/Multigenre costuming and convention-running perspective, there’s really no perception of “competition-worthy”. That doesn’t formally exist in such conventions and is looked on as a bit snobbish (YMMV).

 

I think it’s important to acknowledge that the general public of cosplayers/costumers (however you orient) don’t largely care about arbitrary ideas about whether or not a costume is seen prior to the Masquerade. DragonCon doesn’t care, Anime North doesn’t care, Otakon doesn’t care, Otakuthon doesn’t care, Anime Boston doesn’t care, etc etc. Heck, I’ve yet to see a Comiccon that cares. 

 

After all, what’s actually in it for contestants? By and large, if one were to argue the bare bones, it’s a horse ribbon and bragging rights. Most of these people understand, respect, and enjoy costuming, but won’t be beholden to such rules if the stakes are supposed to be friendly and genial.

 

It’s similar to how some fannish conventions try to limit the type of costumes which appear. Doctor Who may not be anime, but the majority certainly doesn’t care. At the end of the day, an enterprising cosplayer will simply augment the costume or find some obscure manga/anime reference to Doctor Who to justify things if they have to. Conventions which try to enforce this kind of thing are usually ignored or mocked, and don’t really further an inclusive atmosphere.

 

Back to the actual topic though: I don’t think we would support any ban on wearing costumes prior to the Masquerade. In my view, at least, it seems like an unnecessary restriction.

 


 

Posted by: admin@conbravo.com

 


 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2805 From: Kaijugal . Date: 5/2/2015
Subject: Re: Survey – (was Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costume

 

Thank you. I appreciate you amending that comment.

Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 2 May 2015 13:15:15 -0500
Subject: RE: [runacc] Survey – (was Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes…)

 

 

You’re right – AN is the exception. Therefore, my comments don’t apply there.  And i was quoting from the other email – I should have excluded it.   You should have spoken up, there.  😉

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2015 9:29 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [runacc] Survey – (was Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes…)

Bruce Mai wrote:

“Now, at these large media cons mentioned (Dragon Con, AN, etc.) , their shows are more “costume contests and maybe they don’t care  – this is Costume-Con.   Costume-Con has masquerades.”

—–

No Bruce,


At Anime North we have a MASQUERADE  just so, ( with same emphasis to make point).

To say we don’t, or don’t care, it just straight up being rude.


Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada

 


 

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 19:43:41 -0500
Subject: RE: [runacc] Survey – (was Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes…)

Getting back to the discussion late:

 

Re (With apologies to the Honey Badger) “cosplayers don’t care”.    Reading the discussion and drawing from my own experience, I can certainly understand the mindset of there being less of a  sense of “competition-worthy” costumes, but Stace’s comments give me some insight into the perception.  So, it’s not so much “onstage competition-worthy” – that energy is less focused on masquerade competition and more about impressing their peers and the public in the halls.     There’s apparently still a healthy sense of competition among a certain percentage of costumer/cosplayers, though.   Nonetheless, there are  “horror stories” of the ones that lie about their workmanship, etc.   (Andy has a very notorious example of that).

 

Now, at these large media cons mentioned (Dragon Con, AN, etc.) , their shows are more “costume contests and maybe they don’t care  – this is Costume-Con.   Costume-Con has masquerades.   The con has its own culture, and should be recognized as unique in its focus.   Yes, it should be inclusive, but I think it does a disservice to new people to assume they are not  willing to learn about how a different con works.

    

Re: Awards – Those “horse ribbons” represent more at CC.  Sure, the big cons have all sorts of prizes, etc.   But at CC, they represent recognition by their peers that they are respected for their efforts.   That shouldn’t be underestimated.   And for a lot of people, that respect is more important to them because their labors of love are acknowledged.    I know –  I have seen the excitement and tears when they get called up on stage. 

 

An additional thought or two: One thing that sets CC apart is the opportunity to have a tech rehearsal.   I fully understand the decisions made by the CC32 tech crew to abbreviate times (or outright deny time to some) for completely valid logistical reasons, due to the number of entries.   I just hope that’s not a precedent set.   New people are always amazed and thankful for the time to walk the stage with Tech.  And frankly, that’s probably only a danger when we’re back in San Diego and Toronto.    Hopefully, aware of CC32’s experience, those bigger cons will  plan accordingly.

 

Ultimately, it’s still the prerogative of each MD, or concom, to set the costume policy.    Should CC34 adopt the suggestions made on this list, it will be interesting to see what impact it has on the hall costumes as well as the quality of the masquerade(s).  It’s is an opportunity to “make new mistakes!”, as pas CC con staff have frequently exhorted  the concoms that follow to do.

 

For my part, I’m actually glad to know what the policy for Toronto will be – I think it might give me a slight advantage over many of my fellow competitors.  🙂

 

Bruce

 

 

 

 

On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 3:36 PM, castleb@atlanticbb.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Masquerade rules have not been standardized over the years, and have been at the discretion of each Masquerade Director. Can anyone give me an example where wearing your competition costume in the halls before the competition was explicitly forbidden? My memory of this (which may be inaccurate) is that it has always been put forth as a strongly worded suggestion. As others have pointed out, the more people that see a costume before a competition, the less the element of surprise and pleasure at seeing it for the first time, which may affect the perception of both the audience and the judges. If the competitor doesn’t care and wants to wear their costume in the halls, that’s their prerogative.

Fashion Show is a separate case, because those costumes are special, and seeing them in the halls (or entered in the F&S/F masquerade the night before) is generally considered a no-no. The Fashion Show costumes entered in the Masquerade issue occurred at the very first convention I attended, and it left a lasting impression of impropriety. Again, if you’ve seen it in the halls or in a previous competition, then there is no incentive to attend the Fashion Show and see the design-to-reality magic on stage. And again, I’m not sure if there has ever been a specific proscription spelled out in the rules for Fashion Show participation.

Competitions have rules. If you want to compete, you have to follow the rules. If a masquerade director or con chair feels strongly enough, maybe this needs to move from a “suggestion” to a “rule.”

I kind of like the “A costume worn in the halls other than to transport it and yourself to the green room is not eligible for Best in Show” is a nice compromise. You can enter, but if you want the biggest big ribbon, you need to keep it under wraps.

 

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 11:39 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Survey – (was Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes…)

Pretty much what Vicky said. Now, I haven’t gone to a large anime con in years (AnimeCentral, Anime Detour) but when people are talking about churning out 3-8 costumes a year, they’re talking about hall costumes. They want to have things specifically for series/fandom photoshoots and to fill spots in groups with friends, for the most part. But sometimes these hall costumes do end up on stage, whether on a whim or because the masquerade simply exists.

As to the idea that the big cons “don’t care” if you wear your stage costume in the halls? Not always true. At Dragon*Con there is an entirely different culture of costuming, it really can’t be compared to most cons we regularly attend. It’s a special monster. Some of the big anime cons have all-day pre-judging so you’re FORCED to wear your costume in the halls, even for a little bit, something I personally abhor with every fiber of my being. But competition at these same places can be cutthroat. People will lie about commissions, fight for the coveted spots in the show, sandbag with costumes that’ve already won Best in Show elsewhere, etc.

What’s in it for the cosplayers? Sure, winning is “just” a ribbon and a certificate some places, but some places it’s swag. Some places it’s a large trophy (I have 5 sitting on my mantle across the room). So if it’s “just” a certificate, why the vicious competition? Don’t blame Heroes of Cosplay, it was around before that pile of fake drama. Competition is still a thing, in people’s minds, so to dismiss something as simple as “don’t damage your costume or prejudice the judges” as unnecessary isn’t taking the whole picture into account. We’ve all collectively listed a lot of great reasons not to wear your competition piece all weekend, and “we’ve seen it already, it’s boring” is the LEAST of those reasons.

The reason I advocate a rule or at least a guideline is because in a lot of cases, cultivating a habit or a new (old) way of doing things takes time, patience, and a lot of one-on-one handholding. I would say Geek-kon needed at least 5 years of the costume department and masq. directors diligently sticking to their guns and slogging through a routine before people started to catch on that the masquerade is more fun and interesting when you bring your biggest, shiniest thing and really put some effort into it versus wearing closet-raided Naruto costumes and making out with your gf on stage. Actual example, not making that up. But that routine included requiring rehearsals and checking with people before handing them a hall cosplay award for the same costume they were taking to the masquerade. Having rules in place speeds it up – without rules, that transition would have taken a lot more than 5 years.

I don’t know that we’re ever going to come to a consensus but at least understanding where everyone is coming from is important. Plus, it’s very hard to blanket-statement any of this. Every region has different habits and traditions. What flies at Anime Boston is gauche at Anime Detour, and what’s passe on the coasts is still really popular in the Midwest. To a point, we have to let regional cons do what works in their region. But there are some things that aren’t a bad idea to attempt to universally adopt, and that’s why we argue on this list. 🙂

Stace

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From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 8:51 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Survey – (was Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes…)

As someone who’s speaking from almost entirely the Anime/Gaming/Multigenre costuming and convention-running perspective, there’s really no perception of “competition-worthy”. That doesn’t formally exist in such conventions and is looked on as a bit snobbish (YMMV).

I think it’s important to acknowledge that the general public of cosplayers/costumers (however you orient) don’t largely care about arbitrary ideas about whether or not a costume is seen prior to the Masquerade. DragonCon doesn’t care, Anime North doesn’t care, Otakon doesn’t care, Otakuthon doesn’t care, Anime Boston doesn’t care, etc etc. Heck, I’ve yet to see a Comiccon that cares.

After all, what’s actually in it for contestants? By and large, if one were to argue the bare bones, it’s a horse ribbon and bragging rights. Most of these people understand, respect, and enjoy costuming, but won’t be beholden to such rules if the stakes are supposed to be friendly and genial.

It’s similar to how some fannish conventions try to limit the type of costumes which appear. Doctor Who may not be anime, but the majority certainly doesn’t care. At the end of the day, an enterprising cosplayer will simply augment the costume or find some obscure manga/anime reference to Doctor Who to justify things if they have to. Conventions which try to enforce this kind of thing are usually ignored or mocked, and don’t really further an inclusive atmosphere.

Back to the actual topic though: I don’t think we would support any ban on wearing costumes prior to the Masquerade. In my view, at least, it seems like an unnecessary restriction.

 


 

Posted by: admin@conbravo.com

 


 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2806 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/3/2015
Subject: Re: Survey – (was Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costume

 

 

Yeah, got sloppy there.   Mixing two different thoughts.   My bad.     You guys have one of the best run masqs in North America.   It IS  one of three International-level venues, now, after all.   🙂

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2015 6:30 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [runacc] Survey – (was Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes…)

Thank you. I appreciate you amending that comment.

Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada

 


 

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 2 May 2015 13:15:15 -0500
Subject: RE: [runacc] Survey – (was Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes…)

 

You’re right – AN is the exception. Therefore, my comments don’t apply there.  And i was quoting from the other email – I should have excluded it.   You should have spoken up, there.  😉

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2015 9:29 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [runacc] Survey – (was Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes…)

 


Bruce Mai wrote:

“Now, at these large media cons mentioned (Dragon Con, AN, etc.) , their shows are more “costume contests and maybe they don’t care  – this is Costume-Con.   Costume-Con has masquerades.”

 

—–

No Bruce,


At Anime North we have a MASQUERADE  just so, ( with same emphasis to make point).

 

To say we don’t, or don’t care, it just straight up being rude.


Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada

 


 

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 19:43:41 -0500
Subject: RE: [runacc] Survey – (was Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes…)

 

Getting back to the discussion late:

 

Re (With apologies to the Honey Badger) “cosplayers don’t care”.    Reading the discussion and drawing from my own experience, I can certainly understand the mindset of there being less of a  sense of “competition-worthy” costumes, but Stace’s comments give me some insight into the perception.  So, it’s not so much “onstage competition-worthy” – that energy is less focused on masquerade competition and more about impressing their peers and the public in the halls.     There’s apparently still a healthy sense of competition among a certain percentage of costumer/cosplayers, though.   Nonetheless, there are  “horror stories” of the ones that lie about their workmanship, etc.   (Andy has a very notorious example of that).

 

Now, at these large media cons mentioned (Dragon Con, AN, etc.) , their shows are more “costume contests and maybe they don’t care  – this is Costume-Con.   Costume-Con has masquerades.   The con has its own culture, and should be recognized as unique in its focus.   Yes, it should be inclusive, but I think it does a disservice to new people to assume they are not  willing to learn about how a different con works.

    

Re: Awards – Those “horse ribbons” represent more at CC.  Sure, the big cons have all sorts of prizes, etc.   But at CC, they represent recognition by their peers that they are respected for their efforts.   That shouldn’t be underestimated.   And for a lot of people, that respect is more important to them because their labors of love are acknowledged.    I know –  I have seen the excitement and tears when they get called up on stage. 

 

An additional thought or two: One thing that sets CC apart is the opportunity to have a tech rehearsal.   I fully understand the decisions made by the CC32 tech crew to abbreviate times (or outright deny time to some) for completely valid logistical reasons, due to the number of entries.   I just hope that’s not a precedent set.   New people are always amazed and thankful for the time to walk the stage with Tech.  And frankly, that’s probably only a danger when we’re back in San Diego and Toronto.    Hopefully, aware of CC32’s experience, those bigger cons will  plan accordingly.

 

Ultimately, it’s still the prerogative of each MD, or concom, to set the costume policy.    Should CC34 adopt the suggestions made on this list, it will be interesting to see what impact it has on the hall costumes as well as the quality of the masquerade(s).  It’s is an opportunity to “make new mistakes!”, as pas CC con staff have frequently exhorted  the concoms that follow to do.

 

For my part, I’m actually glad to know what the policy for Toronto will be – I think it might give me a slight advantage over many of my fellow competitors.  🙂

 

Bruce

 

 

 

 

On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 3:36 PM, castleb@atlanticbb.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Masquerade rules have not been standardized over the years, and have been at the discretion of each Masquerade Director. Can anyone give me an example where wearing your competition costume in the halls before the competition was explicitly forbidden? My memory of this (which may be inaccurate) is that it has always been put forth as a strongly worded suggestion. As others have pointed out, the more people that see a costume before a competition, the less the element of surprise and pleasure at seeing it for the first time, which may affect the perception of both the audience and the judges. If the competitor doesn’t care and wants to wear their costume in the halls, that’s their prerogative.

Fashion Show is a separate case, because those costumes are special, and seeing them in the halls (or entered in the F&S/F masquerade the night before) is generally considered a no-no. The Fashion Show costumes entered in the Masquerade issue occurred at the very first convention I attended, and it left a lasting impression of impropriety. Again, if you’ve seen it in the halls or in a previous competition, then there is no incentive to attend the Fashion Show and see the design-to-reality magic on stage. And again, I’m not sure if there has ever been a specific proscription spelled out in the rules for Fashion Show participation.

 

Competitions have rules. If you want to compete, you have to follow the rules. If a masquerade director or con chair feels strongly enough, maybe this needs to move from a “suggestion” to a “rule.”


I kind of like the “A costume worn in the halls other than to transport it and yourself to the green room is not eligible for Best in Show” is a nice compromise. You can enter, but if you want the biggest big ribbon, you need to keep it under wraps.

 

 

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 11:39 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Survey – (was Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes…)

 

Pretty much what Vicky said. Now, I haven’t gone to a large anime con in years (AnimeCentral, Anime Detour) but when people are talking about churning out 3-8 costumes a year, they’re talking about hall costumes. They want to have things specifically for series/fandom photoshoots and to fill spots in groups with friends, for the most part. But sometimes these hall costumes do end up on stage, whether on a whim or because the masquerade simply exists.

As to the idea that the big cons “don’t care” if you wear your stage costume in the halls? Not always true. At Dragon*Con there is an entirely different culture of costuming, it really can’t be compared to most cons we regularly attend. It’s a special monster. Some of the big anime cons have all-day pre-judging so you’re FORCED to wear your costume in the halls, even for a little bit, something I personally abhor with every fiber of my being. But competition at these same places can be cutthroat. People will lie about commissions, fight for the coveted spots in the show, sandbag with costumes that’ve already won Best in Show elsewhere, etc.

What’s in it for the cosplayers? Sure, winning is “just” a ribbon and a certificate some places, but some places it’s swag. Some places it’s a large trophy (I have 5 sitting on my mantle across the room). So if it’s “just” a certificate, why the vicious competition? Don’t blame Heroes of Cosplay, it was around before that pile of fake drama. Competition is still a thing, in people’s minds, so to dismiss something as simple as “don’t damage your costume or prejudice the judges” as unnecessary isn’t taking the whole picture into account. We’ve all collectively listed a lot of great reasons not to wear your competition piece all weekend, and “we’ve seen it already, it’s boring” is the LEAST of those reasons.

The reason I advocate a rule or at least a guideline is because in a lot of cases, cultivating a habit or a new (old) way of doing things takes time, patience, and a lot of one-on-one handholding. I would say Geek-kon needed at least 5 years of the costume department and masq. directors diligently sticking to their guns and slogging through a routine before people started to catch on that the masquerade is more fun and interesting when you bring your biggest, shiniest thing and really put some effort into it versus wearing closet-raided Naruto costumes and making out with your gf on stage. Actual example, not making that up. But that routine included requiring rehearsals and checking with people before handing them a hall cosplay award for the same costume they were taking to the masquerade. Having rules in place speeds it up – without rules, that transition would have taken a lot more than 5 years.

I don’t know that we’re ever going to come to a consensus but at least understanding where everyone is coming from is important. Plus, it’s very hard to blanket-statement any of this. Every region has different habits and traditions. What flies at Anime Boston is gauche at Anime Detour, and what’s passe on the coasts is still really popular in the Midwest. To a point, we have to let regional cons do what works in their region. But there are some things that aren’t a bad idea to attempt to universally adopt, and that’s why we argue on this list. 🙂

Stace

 

 

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From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 8:51 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Survey – (was Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes…)

 

 

As someone who’s speaking from almost entirely the Anime/Gaming/Multigenre costuming and convention-running perspective, there’s really no perception of “competition-worthy”. That doesn’t formally exist in such conventions and is looked on as a bit snobbish (YMMV).

 

I think it’s important to acknowledge that the general public of cosplayers/costumers (however you orient) don’t largely care about arbitrary ideas about whether or not a costume is seen prior to the Masquerade. DragonCon doesn’t care, Anime North doesn’t care, Otakon doesn’t care, Otakuthon doesn’t care, Anime Boston doesn’t care, etc etc. Heck, I’ve yet to see a Comiccon that cares. 

 

After all, what’s actually in it for contestants? By and large, if one were to argue the bare bones, it’s a horse ribbon and bragging rights. Most of these people understand, respect, and enjoy costuming, but won’t be beholden to such rules if the stakes are supposed to be friendly and genial.

 

It’s similar to how some fannish conventions try to limit the type of costumes which appear. Doctor Who may not be anime, but the majority certainly doesn’t care. At the end of the day, an enterprising cosplayer will simply augment the costume or find some obscure manga/anime reference to Doctor Who to justify things if they have to. Conventions which try to enforce this kind of thing are usually ignored or mocked, and don’t really further an inclusive atmosphere.

 

Back to the actual topic though: I don’t think we would support any ban on wearing costumes prior to the Masquerade. In my view, at least, it seems like an unnecessary restriction.

 

 


 

Posted by: admin@conbravo.com

 


 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2807 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/24/2015
Subject: A potential schedule of CCs for the future?

 

 

Just FYI:

We’ll come back to this, but after this most recent CC, we’ve heard via the grapevine that there are discussions going on of potential CC bids as far out as 2021.   However, we have not heard of anyone thinking about CC37 (2019).   Sounds like an opportunity for anyone uncommitted yet.   That would mean it’s less than  1 year to get in a proposal to Karen.

There’s also another thing we noted about some of these potential bids, but we’ll bring that up on another post.

Bruce

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2808 From: beckieboo817 Date: 5/27/2015
Subject: Costume Con 36

Hi, all,

 

I trust that most of you are home and recovering from CC33 in Charleston.  I won the bid for CC36 as most of you know because you were there.

 

Today, I’ve spent the day setting up a staff website for Costume Con 36. A lot of you are far away and may know that I have set an organizational meeting for June 14, 2015 at 2 p.m. PDT at my house. I’m not sure how skype works but we’ll see what we can get going on that front.

 

If you’re interested in looking at what I have set up, let me know because I’ll have to send you an invitation to join.  We are looking for people to mentor a younger generation in the various masquerades and contests. That’s not to say if you want to run one, I will say no but we do need to get the young’uns involved.

 

You can reach me at Rebecca8175@gmail.com or on the phone at (858) 245-8170.

 

I look forward to your feedback.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2809 From: ma0902432 Date: 5/28/2015
Subject: Re: Costume Con 36
Hello, Lisa Ashton here.

WhileI live on the East Coast, and cannot participate in meetings, I”d
be happy to help by sending lists of program topics, panels, workshops,
demos…..I had a lot of suggestions that were not able to configure, and
I have done costume track programming for other CC’s as well as all our
long-running East Coast cons. I’d love to be able to view the program as
it develops.

Yours in costuming, Lisa A

On 27 May 2015 19:48:38 -0700 “beckieboo817@yahoo.com [runacc]”
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

Hi, all,

I trust that most of you are home and recovering from CC33 in Charleston.
I won the bid for CC36 as most of you know because you were there.

Today, I’ve spent the day setting up a staff website for Costume Con 36.
A lot of you are far away and may know that I have set an organizational
meeting for June 14, 2015 at 2 p.m. PDT at my house. I’m not sure how
skype works but we’ll see what we can get going on that front.

If you’re interested in looking at what I have set up, let me know
because I’ll have to send you an invitation to join. We are looking for
people to mentor a younger generation in the various masquerades and
contests. That’s not to say if you want to run one, I will say no but we
do need to get the young’uns involved.

You can reach me at Rebecca8175@gmail.com or on the phone at (858)
245-8170.

I look forward to your feedback.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 2810 From: ECM Date: 5/28/2015
Subject: Re: Costume Con 36

 

The reality of CostumeCons is that many, if not most, of our staff are scattered throughout the US & Canada.  Lisa & I are just a couple of them.  However, the on-site core members will be doing the most meeting for at least this first year.  Ideally someone can set up a live, on-line meeting for us for later.  Skype is only one way, or so I’ve been told.  I plan to drive out a few times a year, especially whenever She Who Must Be Obeyed needs me.

Elaine


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 07:00:01 -0400
Subject: Re: [runacc] Costume Con 36

 

Hello, Lisa Ashton here.

WhileI live on the East Coast, and cannot participate in meetings, I”d
be happy to help by sending lists of program topics, panels, workshops,
demos…..I had a lot of suggestions that were not able to configure, and
I have done costume track programming for other CC’s as well as all our
long-running East Coast cons. I’d love to be able to view the program as
it develops.

Yours in costuming, Lisa A

On 27 May 2015 19:48:38 -0700 “beckieboo817@yahoo.com [runacc]”
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

Hi, all,

I trust that most of you are home and recovering from CC33 in Charleston.
I won the bid for CC36 as most of you know because you were there.

Today, I’ve spent the day setting up a staff website for Costume Con 36.
A lot of you are far away and may know that I have set an organizational
meeting for June 14, 2015 at 2 p.m. PDT at my house. I’m not sure how
skype works but we’ll see what we can get going on that front.

If you’re interested in looking at what I have set up, let me know
because I’ll have to send you an invitation to join. We are looking for
people to mentor a younger generation in the various masquerades and
contests. That’s not to say if you want to run one, I will say no but we
do need to get the young’uns involved.

You can reach me at Rebecca8175@gmail.com or on the phone at (858)
245-8170.

I look forward to your feedback.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2811 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/30/2015
Subject: CC33 review is coming

 

 

First draft is done.   Just gathering anyone else’s comments from the SLCG before I start compiling it for the list.

Bruce

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2812 From: Tina Connell Date: 5/31/2015
Subject: Re: CC33 review is coming
We haven’t chimed in on our hotel stay experience, but I would like to at least comment on our guest room.
Our room was on the alleged ‘Business Level’ (because we wanted a room with a fridge). To use the term ‘Business’ for rooms on this floor is a joke. There was no desk area at all, nor were there any adjacent outlets to the low dresser/TV shelf. When I called the front desk and asked about this anomaly, I was told that ‘Business Level’ just meant that it came with a fridge & microwave (not that rooms on this floor were equipped for anyone who might plan to actually do some business). After shifting the furniture a bit, I was able to discover that there was a power strip behind the dresser/TV shelf, so we were able to manage our electronics (printer & computer, which were needed for the SF&F Masquerade). Still, to have to work hunched over a surface that was several inches too low for comfort was a pain.
Furthermore, in a two-bed room, there was only one chair. We requested a 2nd chair so we could both have a place to sit, but what was provided was simply a function room chair, not comfortable guest seating at all.
Although we did receive daily room servicing, it was generally quite late, and we had to call to ask if anyone was going to do our room on a couple of days (“Oh, did you want someone to clean your room?,” in a surprised tone of voice, in response to one of those calls). The ‘Do Not Disturb’ sign was off of our door by 8:30 am each day, so it wasn’t as though they thought we didn’t want our room serviced. Housekeeping was a bit casual about replacing important supplies (toilet paper) a couple of times.
The room itself was a case in point for why this place lost its Sheraton franchise. For the most part, it was (aside from my previous comments) fairly decent, although the beds were on the hard side. BUT – the carpet was absolutely filthy! There were numerous large spilled beverage spots all over, with the ground-in dirt very obvious. They had obviously been there for quite a long time. Although the room didn’t smell, the ambiance was dreadful as a result.
We don’t normally watch TV, so we didn’t discover until the last evening we were there that the TV was not functional at all (all we got was snow). I must say, the hotel was very good about sending Maintenance promptly. He pulled out the dresser and discovered that the cable wire was damaged. Although he fixed it, we were still unable to watch TV, as almost all stations were still unavailable (snow). There was a Direct TV (I think that was it) logo that popped up on screen, but if that is the company providing the hotel’s TV service, they are doing a terrible job — not one regular national channel (CBS, ABC, NBC) was available.
Overall, staff support was pretty good. When we called about a shortage of TP, it was delivered within minutes, and as I said, Maintenance was also quick to respond.
Overall, this is not a place I would ever want to return to.
Tina Connell

 

Group: runacc Message: 2813 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/31/2015
Subject: Re: CC33 review is coming

 

 

Which floor was the business level?

 

Nora

 

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We haven’t chimed in on our hotel stay experience, but I would like to at least comment on our guest room.

Our room was on the alleged ‘Business Level’ (because we wanted a room with a fridge). To use the term ‘Business’ for rooms on this floor is a joke. There was no desk area at all, nor were there any adjacent outlets to the low dresser/TV shelf. When I called the front desk and asked about this anomaly, I was told that ‘Business Level’ just meant that it came with a fridge & microwave (not that rooms on this floor were equipped for anyone who might plan to actually do some business). After shifting the furniture a bit, I was able to discover that there was a power strip behind the dresser/TV shelf, so we were able to manage our electronics (printer & computer, which were needed for the SF&F Masquerade). Still, to have to work hunched over a surface that was several inches too low for comfort was a pain.

Furthermore, in a two-bed room, there was only one chair. We requested a 2nd chair so we could both have a place to sit, but what was provided was simply a function room chair, not comfortable guest seating at all.

Although we did receive daily room servicing, it was generally quite late, and we had to call to ask if anyone was going to do our room on a couple of days (“Oh, did you want someone to clean your room?,” in a surprised tone of voice, in response to one of those calls). The ‘Do Not Disturb’ sign was off of our door by 8:30 am each day, so it wasn’t as though they thought we didn’t want our room serviced. Housekeeping was a bit casual about replacing important supplies (toilet paper) a couple of times.

The room itself was a case in point for why this place lost its Sheraton franchise. For the most part, it was (aside from my previous comments) fairly decent, although the beds were on the hard side. BUT – the carpet was absolutely filthy! There were numerous large spilled beverage spots all over, with the ground-in dirt very obvious. They had obviously been there for quite a long time. Although the room didn’t smell, the ambiance was dreadful as a result.

We don’t normally watch TV, so we didn’t discover until the last evening we were there that the TV was not functional at all (all we got was snow). I must say, the hotel was very good about sending Maintenance promptly. He pulled out the dresser and discovered that the cable wire was damaged. Although he fixed it, we were still unable to watch TV, as almost all stations were still unavailable (snow). There was a Direct TV (I think that was it) logo that popped up on screen, but if that is the company providing the hotel’s TV service, they are doing a terrible job — not one regular national channel (CBS, ABC, NBC) was available.

Overall, staff support was pretty good. When we called about a shortage of TP, it was delivered within minutes, and as I said, Maintenance was also quick to respond.

Overall, this is not a place I would ever want to return to.

Tina Connell

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2814 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/31/2015
Subject: Fashion folio Requirements/style/artist question

 

 

So, while I’m still working on the review, let me throw this out here:

There is a costumer we know who posited a question about Folio submissions.   I didn’t want to take it to too public a forum, so I figured I’d start here.   This could be a philosophy question, but it may also be the very beginning of a situation that perhaps future Folio Editors (and potential judges of same) should have at least an answer for.   This may be something I would ultimately want to take off list, but you can all at least give me your initial input as to where it should be taken.

As a preface, I don’t really agree with this costumer, but the fact that there’s one person who’s asked this question, and how it involves evolving technology means it could crop up again.   It’s that whole “learn that person’s point of view in order to argue it effectively”.   Well, I don’t that I have the background and history or perspective to come back with it, so I want to see what others more closely connected with the Folio in the past might say.

In a nutshell, this costumer wishes to submit designs that have been completely generated on a computer.  Now, before you say, “nothing wrong with that”, here’s what they are doing.   Please be sure to ask me questions first, before jumping to a conclusion because I may have accidentally left a detail out in my laying out this case.

They are taking photos they find on the internet -public domain stuff, but not always – isolating, say, a boot, using Photo shop and Illustrator, changing the shape, taking some texture from some other photo or clip art site, overlaying that, and basically “collaging” together a design they have in their mind of a total outfit.   What they are objecting to, to some extent, is having to submit a line drawing.    They couldn’t quite understand why line drawings were necessary.   When explained that it removed distractions from detail, and that the text that should accompany the design should give direction as to how to decorate, use of material, etc., the question was, ” Why?”   They understood when the Folio (at CC) first started that computer art rendering wasn’t around and costs were high for producing it but now that stuff was produced on PDFs and there’s no printing, why not embrace the new ways  people were rendering with computers.   They pointed out how there is a gray area with the way artists in other mediums borrow from other sources, reinterpret or manipulate in another medium and it’s considered original Art.

To their mind, a black and white rendering was their compromise – they still weren’t understanding the necessity of leaving out the textures and other details, leaving a “wireframe” rendering.  They believe that by having to reinterpret it to line drawings, it will corrupt the “cleanness” of what they designed.   They reasoned that a “literal” person could follow the rendered design  and reproduce it exactly, but  people with a more “subjective eye” (like themselves)  could look at their finished piece and  interpret it how they wished.     I don’t think they were quite grasping the point of Folio designs and I wasn’t able to articulate the necessity for line drawings.   They asked “Is it in the Constitution that there must be line drawings”, and I said, “of course not”, but apparently they seem to think that by requiring a line drawing,  it excludes what is an emerging art form.   All they are seeing, I think, is the production and judging end of the reason, and not the design reason (“It’s still my design from my head”) .   After all, it’s all going to come out on a computer PDF for the most part, and judges will probably stop looking at paper and view it all on their tablets’, etc.   Maybe not right now, but in the hot too different future.

They think this will become a more common “style” with more younger artists.   I don’t agree, but with technology, you never know.   They effectively are  thinking they are questioning a “status quo”.   I will leave my own opinion out of it, but I told them, ultimately, it’s up to the individual Editor for each CC.    .

I welcome your thoughts, because I know there are those of you who can articulate a better answer – or perhaps you agree?

Bruce

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2815 From: ECM Date: 5/31/2015
Subject: Re: Fashion folio Requirements/style/artist question

 

Having never produced or run a folio or its accompanying show, my opinion  is strictly from the point of view as a producer of the costumes.  I can neither create a design on paper nor by computer.  I’m a “maker.”

I find it easier to translate line drawings into costumes because they are leaving lots of the detail up to me.  I love figuring out what I need to do to recreate that drawing.

I’m also thinking that the quality of a computer rendering vs a drawing – no matter how detailed – might skew a judge’s opinion.  I’m also thinking that it might lead to a two-part competition – drawn and computer-generated.

Please come up with some logical suggestions in time for CC 36!

Elaine


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Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 11:40:55 -0500
Subject: [runacc] Fashion folio Requirements/style/artist question

 

So, while I’m still working on the review, let me throw this out here:

There is a costumer we know who posited a question about Folio submissions.   I didn’t want to take it to too public a forum, so I figured I’d start here.   This could be a philosophy question, but it may also be the very beginning of a situation that perhaps future Folio Editors (and potential judges of same) should have at least an answer for.   This may be something I would ultimately want to take off list, but you can all at least give me your initial input as to where it should be taken.

As a preface, I don’t really agree with this costumer, but the fact that there’s one person who’s asked this question, and how it involves evolving technology means it could crop up again.   It’s that whole “learn that person’s point of view in order to argue it effectively”.   Well, I don’t that I have the background and history or perspective to come back with it, so I want to see what others more closely connected with the Folio in the past might say.

In a nutshell, this costumer wishes to submit designs that have been completely generated on a computer.  Now, before you say, “nothing wrong with that”, here’s what they are doing.   Please be sure to ask me questions first, before jumping to a conclusion because I may have accidentally left a detail out in my laying out this case.

They are taking photos they find on the internet -public domain stuff, but not always – isolating, say, a boot, using Photo shop and Illustrator, changing the shape, taking some texture from some other photo or clip art site, overlaying that, and basically “collaging” together a design they have in their mind of a total outfit.   What they are objecting to, to some extent, is having to submit a line drawing.    They couldn’t quite understand why line drawings were necessary.   When explained that it removed distractions from detail, and that the text that should accompany the design should give direction as to how to decorate, use of material, etc., the question was, ” Why?”   They understood when the Folio (at CC) first started that computer art rendering wasn’t around and costs were high for producing it but now that stuff was produced on PDFs and there’s no printing, why not embrace the new ways  people were rendering with computers.   They pointed out how there is a gray area with the way artists in other mediums borrow from other sources, reinterpret or manipulate in another medium and it’s considered original Art.

To their mind, a black and white rendering was their compromise – they still weren’t understanding the necessity of leaving out the textures and other details, leaving a “wireframe” rendering.  They believe that by having to reinterpret it to line drawings, it will corrupt the “cleanness” of what they designed.   They reasoned that a “literal” person could follow the rendered design  and reproduce it exactly, but  people with a more “subjective eye” (like themselves)  could look at their finished piece and  interpret it how they wished.     I don’t think they were quite grasping the point of Folio designs and I wasn’t able to articulate the necessity for line drawings.   They asked “Is it in the Constitution that there must be line drawings”, and I said, “of course not”, but apparently they seem to think that by requiring a line drawing,  it excludes what is an emerging art form.   All they are seeing, I think, is the production and judging end of the reason, and not the design reason (“It’s still my design from my head”) .   After all, it’s all going to come out on a computer PDF for the most part, and judges will probably stop looking at paper and view it all on their tablets’, etc.   Maybe not right now, but in the hot too different future.

They think this will become a more common “style” with more younger artists.   I don’t agree, but with technology, you never know.   They effectively are  thinking they are questioning a “status quo”.   I will leave my own opinion out of it, but I told them, ultimately, it’s up to the individual Editor for each CC.    .

I welcome your thoughts, because I know there are those of you who can articulate a better answer – or perhaps you agree?

Bruce

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2816 From: Vicky Young Date: 5/31/2015
Subject: Re: Fashion folio Requirements/style/artist question

 

I’ve never run or produced the show either, but I’ve submitted a design – I guess my question would be what the spirit of the competition would be. Are the designs meant to be interpreted by the maker, or are they intended to be reproduced exactly (texture, fabrics, colors, etc) by the maker?
While I can understand the idea of piecing together an “original design” from existing sources, it calls into question whether that is truly an original design…
Vicky


On Sunday, May 31, 2015 11:41 AM, “‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



So, while I’m still working on the review, let me throw this out here:
There is a costumer we know who posited a question about Folio submissions.   I didn’t want to take it to too public a forum, so I figured I’d start here.   This could be a philosophy question, but it may also be the very beginning of a situation that perhaps future Folio Editors (and potential judges of same) should have at least an answer for.   This may be something I would ultimately want to take off list, but you can all at least give me your initial input as to where it should be taken.
As a preface, I don’t really agree with this costumer, but the fact that there’s one person who’s asked this question, and how it involves evolving technology means it could crop up again.   It’s that whole “learn that person’s point of view in order to argue it effectively”.   Well, I don’t that I have the background and history or perspective to come back with it, so I want to see what others more closely connected with the Folio in the past might say.
In a nutshell, this costumer wishes to submit designs that have been completely generated on a computer.  Now, before you say, “nothing wrong with that”, here’s what they are doing.   Please be sure to ask me questions first, before jumping to a conclusion because I may have accidentally left a detail out in my laying out this case.
They are taking photos they find on the internet -public domain stuff, but not always – isolating, say, a boot, using Photo shop and Illustrator, changing the shape, taking some texture from some other photo or clip art site, overlaying that, and basically “collaging” together a design they have in their mind of a total outfit.   What they are objecting to, to some extent, is having to submit a line drawing.    They couldn’t quite understand why line drawings were necessary.   When explained that it removed distractions from detail, and that the text that should accompany the design should give direction as to how to decorate, use of material, etc., the question was, ” Why?”   They understood when the Folio (at CC) first started that computer art rendering wasn’t around and costs were high for producing it but now that stuff was produced on PDFs and there’s no printing, why not embrace the new ways  people were rendering with computers.   They pointed out how there is a gray area with the way artists in other mediums borrow from other sources, reinterpret or manipulate in another medium and it’s considered original Art.
To their mind, a black and white rendering was their compromise – they still weren’t understanding the necessity of leaving out the textures and other details, leaving a “wireframe” rendering.  They believe that by having to reinterpret it to line drawings, it will corrupt the “cleanness” of what they designed.   They reasoned that a “literal” person could follow the rendered design  and reproduce it exactly, but  people with a more “subjective eye” (like themselves)  could look at their finished piece and  interpret it how they wished.     I don’t think they were quite grasping the point of Folio designs and I wasn’t able to articulate the necessity for line drawings.   They asked “Is it in the Constitution that there must be line drawings”, and I said, “of course not”, but apparently they seem to think that by requiring a line drawing,  it excludes what is an emerging art form.   All they are seeing, I think, is the production and judging end of the reason, and not the design reason (“It’s still my design from my head”) .   After all, it’s all going to come out on a computer PDF for the most part, and judges will probably stop looking at paper and view it all on their tablets’, etc.   Maybe not right now, but in the hot too different future.
They think this will become a more common “style” with more younger artists.   I don’t agree, but with technology, you never know.   They effectively are  thinking they are questioning a “status quo”.   I will leave my own opinion out of it, but I told them, ultimately, it’s up to the individual Editor for each CC.    .
I welcome your thoughts, because I know there are those of you who can articulate a better answer – or perhaps you agree?
Bruce



 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2817 From: Pierre and Sandy Pettinger Date: 5/31/2015
Subject: Re: CC33 review is coming

 

7th Floor.

Sandy

At 08:21 AM 5/31/2015, you wrote:

 

Which floor was the business
level?

Nora

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We haven’t chimed in on our hotel stay experience, but I would like to at
least comment on our guest room.

Our room was on the alleged ‘Business Level’ (because we wanted a room
with a fridge). To use the term ‘Business’ for rooms on this floor is a
joke. There was no desk area at all, nor were there any adjacent outlets
to the low dresser/TV shelf. When I called the front desk and asked about
this anomaly, I was told that ‘Business Level’ just meant that it came
with a fridge & microwave (not that rooms on this floor were equipped
for anyone who might plan to actually do some business). After shifting
the furniture a bit, I was able to discover that there was a power strip
behind the dresser/TV shelf, so we were able to manage our electronics
(printer & computer, which were needed for the SF&F Masquerade).
Still, to have to work hunched over a surface that was several inches too
low for comfort was a pain.

Furthermore, in a two-bed room, there was only one chair. We requested a
2nd chair so we could both have a place to sit, but what was provided was
simply a function room chair, not comfortable guest seating at
all.

Although we did receive daily room servicing, it was generally quite
late, and we had to call to ask if anyone was going to do our room on a
couple of days (“Oh, did you want someone to clean your room?,”
in a surprised tone of voice, in response to one of those calls). The ‘Do
Not Disturb’ sign was off of our door by 8:30 am each day, so it wasn’t
as though they thought we didn’t want our room serviced. Housekeeping was
a bit casual about replacing important supplies (toilet paper) a couple
of times.

The room itself was a case in point for why this place lost i

International Costumers’ Guild Archivist


http://www.costume.org/gallery2/main.php

“Those Who Fail to Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly –
Why They Are Simply Doomed.”

Achemdro’hm
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— C. Y. 4971

Andromeda

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2818 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/31/2015
Subject: Re: Fashion folio Requirements/style/artist question

 

 

I’ve never run or produced the show either, but I’ve submitted a design – I guess my question would be what the spirit of the competition would be. Are the designs meant to be interpreted by the maker, or are they intended to be reproduced exactly (texture, fabrics, colors, etc) by the maker? 

 

I know what my opinion is on this:   that’s why I’m asking what others think.   I could be wrong, but it seems like saying, “here’s my creation – play around with it”.   Of course, they would never expect everyone else to be that forgiving with it.   I know of another costumer who only submits a design they intend to do themselves, because they believe they are the only one who can truly interpret it (in which case, my question would be, how good can it be if no one else can follow the design, but that’s’ another discussion).

 

While I can understand the idea of piecing together an “original design” from existing sources, it calls into question whether that is truly an original design…

 

That’s part of the question.   They would say, “I have this idea in my head – I’m taking these elements I’ve found online and molding them to my idea to achieve it, therefore it is original”.

 

Vicky

 

On Sunday, May 31, 2015 11:41 AM, “‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

So, while I’m still working on the review, let me throw this out here:

 

There is a costumer we know who posited a question about Folio submissions.   I didn’t want to take it to too public a forum, so I figured I’d start here.   This could be a philosophy question, but it may also be the very beginning of a situation that perhaps future Folio Editors (and potential judges of same) should have at least an answer for.   This may be something I would ultimately want to take off list, but you can all at least give me your initial input as to where it should be taken.

 

As a preface, I don’t really agree with this costumer, but the fact that there’s one person who’s asked this question, and how it involves evolving technology means it could crop up again.   It’s that whole “learn that person’s point of view in order to argue it effectively”.   Well, I don’t that I have the background and history or perspective to come back with it, so I want to see what others more closely connected with the Folio in the past might say.

 

In a nutshell, this costumer wishes to submit designs that have been completely generated on a computer.  Now, before you say, “nothing wrong with that”, here’s what they are doing.   Please be sure to ask me questions first, before jumping to a conclusion because I may have accidentally left a detail out in my laying out this case.

 

They are taking photos they find on the internet -public domain stuff, but not always – isolating, say, a boot, using Photo shop and Illustrator, changing the ! shape, taking some texture from some other photo or clip art site, overlaying that, and basically “collaging” together a design they have in their mind of a total outfit.   What they are objecting to, to some extent, is having to submit a line drawing.    They couldn’t quite understand why line drawings were necessary.   When explained that it removed distractions from detail, and that the text that should accompany the design should give direction as to how to decorate, use of material, etc., the question was, ” Why?”   They understood when the Folio (at CC) first started that computer art rendering wasn’t around and costs were high for producing it but now that stuff was produced on PDFs and there’s no printing, why not embrace the new ways  people were rendering with computers.   They pointed out how there is a gray area with the way artists in other mediums borrow from other sources, reinterpret or manipulate in another medium and it’s considered original Art.  

 

To their mind, a black and white rendering was their compromise – they still weren’t understanding the necessity of leaving out the textures and other details, leaving a “wireframe” rendering.  They believe that by having to reinterpret it to line drawings, it will corrupt the “cleanness” of what they designed.   They reasoned that a “literal” person could follow the rendered design  and reproduce it exactly, but  people with a more “subjective eye” (like themselves)  could look at their finished piece and  interpret it how they wished.     I don’t think they were quite grasping the point of Folio designs and I wasn’t able to articulate the necessity for line drawings.   They asked “Is it in the Constitution that there must be line drawings”, and I said, “of course not”, but apparently they seem to think that by requiring a! line drawing,  it excludes what is an emerging art form.   All they are seeing, I think, is the production and judging end of the reason, and not the design reason (“It’s still my design from my head”) .   After all, it’s all going to come out on a computer PDF for the most part, and judges will probably stop looking at paper and view it all on their tablets’, etc.   Maybe not right now, but in the hot too different future.  

 

They think this will become a more common “style” with more younger artists.   I don’t agree, but with technology, you never know.   They effectively are  thinking they are questioning a “status quo”.   I will leave my own opinion out of it, but I told them, ultimately, it’s up to the individual Editor for each CC.    . 

 

I welcome your thoughts, because I know there are those of you who can articulate a better answer – or perhaps you agree?

 

Bruce

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2819 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/1/2015
Subject: Re: Fashion folio Requirements/style/artist question

 

Bruce wrote:

“What they are objecting to, to some extent, is having to submit a line drawing.    They couldn’t quite understand why line drawings were necessary.   When explained that it removed distractions from detail, and that the text that should accompany the design should give direction as to how to decorate, use of material, etc., the question was, ” Why?”   They understood when the Folio (at CC) first started that computer art rendering wasn’t around and costs were high for producing it but now that stuff was produced on PDFs and there’s no printing, why not embrace the new ways  people were rendering with computers.   ”  

 I welcome your thoughts, because I know there are those of you who can articulate a better answer – or perhaps you agree?”

——-

When we ran the CC32 folio we still asked for the traditional black & white line drawings, even though we were thrilled with the fact that due to modern technology and the folio being distributed electronically we could include also the artists coloured and/or rendered drawings along with the traditional style black & white.

I had one costumer memorably tell us that she appreciated this as she is largely a recreation costumer and she wanted to make the costume to the designers exact ideal. (In contrast I personally like to be able to play around with designs a little bit using the fabric choices etc).

Overall I feel this should not be a discussion on what tools are used to produce the art, (traditional or computer),but about the requirements of the folio itself. How far is Costume-Con going to go to accommodate people who disagree with the current requirement for black & white line art? (If at all. I do not personally feel there is anything unjust about the current requirement.)

Admittedly, when I paint a design I am then required to trace it out to make the black & white line art, and it’s a bit of a pain, and looses some of the original feel, but hey, that’s life, suck it up buttercup! *grins wryly*

I’ll state again for emphasis, I do not feel this should be a discussion about tools, but more about rules and adherence, about the competition as it is, and if Costume-Con will choose to change it into something else or not.
I’m linking to examples of why I say this:
A folio design I made on a piece of paper: https://www.flickr.com/photos/14178897@N07/7959527998/in/dateposted-public/

A folio design I doodles on my tablet (computer)  during a slow conference call : https://www.flickr.com/photos/14178897@N07/5046500115/in/dateposted-public/

Done with classic (2b pencil), and modern, (computer) , mediums and both within the rules.

Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada

 

Bruce wrote:

 

“What they are objecting to, to some extent, is having to submit a line drawing.    They couldn’t quite understand why line drawings were necessary.   When explained that it removed distractions from detail, and that the text that should accompany the design should give direction as to how to decorate, use of material, etc., the question was, ” Why?”   They understood when the Folio (at CC) first started that computer art rendering wasn’t around and costs were high for producing it but now that stuff was produced on PDFs and there’s no printing, why not embrace the new ways  people were rendering with computers.   ”  

I welcome your thoughts, because I know there are those of you who can articulate a better answer – or perhaps you agree?

Bruce

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2820 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 6/1/2015
Subject: Re: Fashion folio Requirements/style/artist question

The logic behind line drawings has much more to do with the reproduction process as it was, I think, in part. Patterned images just don’t print as well as line drawings. Now if the Folio is no longer a printed document (circulated on paper), maybe the design process is irrelevant, but I can say it’s a heck of a lot easier to interpret seam lines and construction requirements if the design is line drawing instead of full rendering.

My $.02, adjusted for inflation.
YMMV.
Betsy

 

 

On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 12:41 AM, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Bruce wrote:

 

“What they are objecting to, to some extent, is having to submit a line drawing.    They couldn’t quite understand why line drawings were necessary.   When explained that it removed distractions from detail, and that the text that should accompany the design should give direction as to how to decorate, use of material, etc., the question was, ” Why?”   They understood when the Folio (at CC) first started that computer art rendering wasn’t around and costs were high for producing it but now that stuff was produced on PDFs and there’s no printing, why not embrace the new ways  people were rendering with computers.   ”  

 

I welcome your thoughts, because I know there are those of you who can articulate a better answer – or perhaps you agree?”

——-

 

When we ran the CC32 folio we still asked for the traditional black & white line drawings, even though we were thrilled with the fact that due to modern technology and the folio being distributed electronically we could include also the artists coloured and/or rendered drawings along with the traditional style black & white.

I had one costumer memorably tell us that she appreciated this as she is largely a recreation costumer and she wanted to make the costume to the designers exact ideal. (In contrast I personally like to be able to play around with designs a little bit using the fabric choices etc).

Overall I feel this should not be a discussion on what tools are used to produce the art, (traditional or computer),but about the requirements of the folio itself. How far is Costume-Con going to go to accommodate people who disagree with the current requirement for black & white line art? (If at all. I do not personally feel there is anything unjust about the current requirement.)

Admittedly, when I paint a design I am then required to trace it out to make the black & white line art, and it’s a bit of a pain, and looses some of the original feel, but hey, that’s life, suck it up buttercup! *grins wryly*

I’ll state again for emphasis, I do not feel this should be a discussion about tools, but more about rules and adherence, about the competition as it is, and if Costume-Con will choose to change it into something else or not.
I’m linking to examples of why I say this:
A folio design I made on a piece of paper: https://www.flickr.com/photos/14178897@N07/7959527998/in/dateposted-public/

A folio design I doodles on my tablet (computer)  during a slow conference call : https://www.flickr.com/photos/14178897@N07/5046500115/in/dateposted-public/

 

Done with classic (2b pencil), and modern, (computer) , mediums and both within the rules.

Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada

 

Bruce wrote:

 

 

“What they are objecting to, to some extent, is having to submit a line drawing.    They couldn’t quite understand why line drawings were necessary.   When explained that it removed distractions from detail, and that the text that should accompany the design should give direction as to how to decorate, use of material, etc., the question was, ” Why?”   They understood when the Folio (at CC) first started that computer art rendering wasn’t around and costs were high for producing it but now that stuff was produced on PDFs and there’s no printing, why not embrace the new ways  people were rendering with computers.   ”  

 

I welcome your thoughts, because I know there are those of you who can articulate a better answer – or perhaps you agree?

Bruce

 

 

 

 


Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2821 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/1/2015
Subject: Re: Fashion folio Requirements/style/artist question

 

 

There is no disagreement that electronically producing the Folio has allowed a greater product since we can include more detail, color, etc. And this is in essence a discussion about the rules rather than the method.

But there are reasons for the requirement other than “because it is in the rules”.

 

I’m a firm believer in the b&w line art requirement for a couple of reasons.

1. It “levels” the playing field from a judges perspective. All entrants in the same basic format means less “noise” or distractions for the judges to have to ignore to see the essential design. Some people will always render the figures etc more competently but if the lines are clear the judges can see the designers intent better.

2. It also helps level the designers – some people are more comfortable with one media over another, some can “draw” more clearly than others; basic line drawing is accessible to all regardless of their proficiency.

 

Nora

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 11:42 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [runacc] Fashion folio Requirements/style/artist question

 

Bruce wrote:

“What they are objecting to, to some extent, is having to submit a line drawing.    They couldn’t quite understand why line drawings were necessary.   When explained that it removed distractions from detail, and that the text that should accompany the design should give direction as to how to decorate, use of material, etc., the question was, ” Why?”   They understood when the Folio (at CC) first started that computer art rendering wasn’t around and costs were high for producing it but now that stuff was produced on PDFs and there’s no printing, why not embrace the new ways  people were rendering with computers.   ”  

 I welcome your thoughts, because I know there are those of you who can articulate a better answer – or perhaps you agree?”

——-

 

When we ran the CC32 folio we still asked for the traditional black & white line drawings, even though we were thrilled with the fact that due to modern technology and the folio being distributed electronically we could include also the artists coloured and/or rendered drawings along with the traditional style black & white.

I had one costumer memorably tell us that she appreciated this as she is largely a recreation costumer and she wanted to make the costume to the designers exact ideal. (In contrast I personally like to be able to play around with designs a little bit using the fabric choices etc).

Overall I feel this should not be a discussion on what tools are used to produce the art, (traditional or computer),but about the requirements of the folio itself. How far is Costume-Con going to go to accommodate people who disagree with the cur! rent requirement for black & white line art? (If at all. I do not personally feel there is anything unjust about the current requirement.)

Admittedly, when I paint a design I am then required to trace it out to make the black & white line art, and it’s a bit of a pain, and looses some of the original feel, but hey, that’s life, suck it up buttercup! *grins wryly*

I’ll state again for emphasis, I do not feel this should be a discussion about tools, but more about rules and adherence, about the competition as it is, and if Costume-Con will choose to change it into something else or not.
I’m linking to examples of why I say this:
A folio design I made on a piece of paper: https://www.flickr.com/photos/14178897@N07/7959527998/in/dateposted-public/


A folio design I doodles on my tablet (computer)  during a slow conference call : https://www.flickr.com/photos/14178897@N07/5046500115/in/dateposted-public/

 

Done with classic (2b pencil), and modern, (computer) , mediums and both within the rules.


Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada


Bruce wrote:

 

“What they are objecting to, to some extent, is having to submit a line drawing.    They couldn’t quite understand why line drawings were necessary.   When explained that it removed distractions from detail, and that the text that should accompany the design should give direction as to how to decorate, use of material, etc., the question was, ” Why?”   They understood when the Folio (at CC) first started that computer art rendering wasn’t around and costs were high for producing it but now that stuff was produced on PDFs and there’s no printing, why not embrace the new ways  people were rendering with computers.   ”  

 

 

I welcome your thoughts, because I know there are those of you who can articulate a better answer – or perhaps you agree?

 

Bruce

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2822 From: staceylee25 Date: 6/1/2015
Subject: Re: Fashion folio Requirements/style/artist question

Of course I’ve not run one or even submitted a design, but I’ve always wanted to. I’ve always eyeballed the rules every single year, but it turns out I just don’t have a design bone in my body. I do have the perspective of someone who would create one of the designs if one grabbed me, someone who is a replicator.

Yes, collaging in the general sense is still “art.” There is nothing wrong with creating “art” in that mien, with the possible exception of using other people’s copyrighted material without permission. However, as I understand the Future Fashion Design Contest, we’re not out to create ART, we’re out to design clothing that hasn’t been conceived of before, which costumers can then build from the design. So, “but this is the future of artistic expression!” is a moot argument.

As a replicator, when I’m trying to research and dissect a costume design, I NEED the black and white sketches to help me figure out where seams are, what’s clothing and what’s not, so on and so forth. Particularly with 2D art, when the final rendering includes reflection lines, textures, etc, which can be mistaken for seams or layers if looked at incorrectly. From a practical creator’s standpoint, the B&W lineart is absolutely necessary. Color pages are nice, as are indications of texture, but that’s a later phase of re-creation. The first phase is understanding the shape, fit, and structure of the design.

From another POV, the FFF has always seemed, from the outside, to be an analog to a fashion designer creating a seasonal catalog of their new clothing styles, which would then be created for the runway show. I don’t know if anyone can answer this, but is “collaging” from existing images used in the fashion industry to create new clothing lines? Is Fashion Week full of designers who no longer sketch out their own unique designs whether with a pencil or a tablet? If yes, then maybe this argument would hold more water, but if the fashion industry itself is still running on designs drawn from scratch, then that seems like a valid model to follow. Or, for another example, do movie studios still draw base sketches of the shape of costumes, which the costume department has to interpret into a garment? Maybe they do have to render that costume into 3D for CG animation later, but for the scenes where the actors need to be clothed, does the costume department require B&W or basic simplified drawings (paper or tablet) from which they can work to draft the costumes? I don’t know if anyone knows and can explain how these other clothing/costuming industries work, but if they can, I’d love to hear it. And then point to that as an example of why the FFF is structured the way it is.

I don’t care if someone is using a photo to sketch out a base shape but then completely altering that shape, because they feel like their drawing skills aren’t up to drawing the shape of a boot around a croquis’ foot. It seems like they’re focusing too much on having a perfect drawing rather than communicating their design ideas, but it’s not egregious. But the less alteration there is, the more this method skews away from actual design and more toward compiling an outfit out of extant garments – and extant garment shapes – and then you run into the issue of having to try to fine-tune rules to try to explain exactly what percentage of change to the original image constitutes “original design.” That would be so fiddly as to be a nightmare to try to police. For sheer logistics’ sake it’s easier to just say “this is what we want, take it or leave it.” You don’t want to charge the director with the extra task of doing reverse image searches in google to verify that the base images have actually been altered or re-designed.

I get you though, Bruce, that second paragraph just reads like…I don’t know. “You don’t understand my vision which can only be communicated by my own method!” But I would have to see an example of one of these design images before I could say one way or the other, whether this is a good design technique for communicating original designs, or if it’s just one person’s idea of how clothing should be designed based on nothing but their own technology, versus actually understanding the core concepts of garment design and construction and using them to create entirely new ideas. It’s like saying you know how to tailor a Victorian tailcoat even though you’ve only ever looked at pictures of Victorian tailcoats without ever actually draping one on a body and seeing how the seams inform the shape and fit. Maybe a bad example but that’s how it’s coming across to me.

Stace

—In runacc@yahoogroups.com, <casamai@…> wrote :

They are taking photos they find on the internet -public domain stuff, but not always – isolating, say, a boot, using Photo shop and Illustrator, changing the shape, taking some texture from some other photo or clip art site, overlaying that, and basically “collaging” together a design they have in their mind of a total outfit.   What they are objecting to, to some extent, is having to submit a line drawing.    They couldn’t quite understand why line drawings were necessary.   When explained that it removed distractions from detail, and that the text that should accompany the design should give direction as to how to decorate, use of material, etc., the question was, ” Why?”   They understood when the Folio (at CC) first started that computer art rendering wasn’t around and costs were high for producing it but now that stuff was produced on PDFs and there’s no printing, why not embrace the new ways  people were rendering with computers.   They pointed out how there is a gray area with the way artists in other mediums borrow from other sources, reinterpret or manipulate in another medium and it’s considered original Art.

To their mind, a black and white rendering was their compromise – they still weren’t understanding the necessity of leaving out the textures and other details, leaving a “wireframe” rendering.  They believe that by having to reinterpret it to line drawings, it will corrupt the “cleanness” of what they designed.   They reasoned that a “literal” person could follow the rendered design  and reproduce it exactly, but  people with a more “subjective eye” (like themselves)  could look at their finished piece and  interpret it how they wished.     I don’t think they were quite grasping the point of Folio designs and I wasn’t able to articulate the necessity for line drawings.   They asked “Is it in the Constitution that there must be line drawings”, and I said, “of course not”, but apparently they seem to think that by requiring a line drawing,  it excludes what is an emerging art form.   All they are seeing, I think, is the production and judging end of the reason, and not the design reason (“It’s still my design from my head”) .   After all, it’s all going to come out on a computer PDF for the most part, and judges will probably stop looking at paper and view it all on their tablets’, etc.   Maybe not right now, but in the hot too different future.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2823 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/1/2015
Subject: Re: Fashion folio Requirements/style/artist question

 

 

On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 4:36 AM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

But there are reasons for the requirement other than “because it is in the rules”.

I’m a “keep the rules simple, let the judges sort it out” kind of guy.

But if you wanted to go down the path of figuring out what the rules should really be, I’m going to suggest that we look at how fashion design, fashion illustration and costume designs are submitted to the people creating garments (or pattern makers) in the real/professional world. Sure, they may have just as much “because that’s the way we’ve always done it” going on, but they may also better explain the reasons for doing things in a standard way…

 

Group: runacc Message: 2824 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/1/2015
Subject: Re: Fashion folio Requirements/style/artist question – Betsy

 

 

Now THERE’S a good point I hadn’t thought of.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 6:21 AM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: Re: [runacc] Fashion folio Requirements/style/artist question

The logic behind line drawings has much more to do with the reproduction process as it was, I think, in part. Patterned images just don’t print as well as line drawings. Now if the Folio is no longer a printed document (circulated on paper), maybe the design process is irrelevant, but I can say it’s a heck of a lot easier to interpret seam lines and construction requirements if the design is line drawing instead of full rendering.

My $.02, adjusted for inflation.

YMMV.

Betsy

On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 12:41 AM, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2825 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/1/2015
Subject: Re: Fashion folio Requirements/style/artist question – Andy

 

 

And that’s what I’m sort of trying to get at.

 

This person’s main reason for photo manipulation is so that they can get more precise lines than their own drawing skills, but I have a feeling they’ve also been influenced by the way art is now rendered at places like Disney, where everything is state of the art.   I think that, while that may be the way things are going, we’re not there yet at the Folio level, and don’t need to change it — yet.  

 

I have more to say in response to Stace (excellent discussion, by the way), but that will take a bit more time to compose.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 12:35 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Fashion folio Requirements/style/artist question

On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 4:36 AM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

But there are reasons for the requirement other than “because it is in the rules”.

I’m a “keep the rules simple, let the judges sort it out” kind of guy.

But if you wanted to go down the path of figuring out what the rules should really be, I’m going to suggest that we look at how fashion design, fashion illustration and costume designs are submitted to the people creating garments (or pattern makers) in the real/professional world. Sure, they may have just as much “because that’s the way we’ve always done it” going on, but they may also better explain the reasons for doing things in a standard way…

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2826 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/1/2015
Subject: Re: Fashion folio Requirements/style/artist question

 

A agree with you Stace. ^_^

Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada


Stace wrote”

 

 “For sheer logistics’ sake it’s easier to just say “this is what we want, take it or leave it.” ”

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2827 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/3/2015
Subject: Re: Fashion folio Requirements/style/artist question

 


 

 

On Jun 1, 2015, at 1:18 PM, staceylee25@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Of course I’ve not run one or even submitted a design, but I’ve always wanted to. I’ve always eyeballed the rules every single year, but it turns out I just don’t have a design bone in my body. I do have the perspective of someone who would create one of the designs if one grabbed me, someone who is a replicator.

Yes, collaging in the general sense is still “art.” There is nothing wrong with creating “art” in that mien, with the possible exception of using other people’s copyrighted material without permission. However, as I understand the Future Fashion Design Contest, we’re not out to create ART, we’re out to design clothing that hasn’t been conceived of before, which costumers can then build from the design. So, “but this is the future of artistic expression!” is a moot argument.

Excellent point.

Byron


Stace

—In runacc@yahoogroups.com, <casamai@…> wrote :

They are taking photos they find on the internet -public domain stuff, but not always – isolating, say, a boot, using Photo shop and Illustrator, changing the shape, taking some texture from some other photo or clip art site, overlaying that, and basically “collaging” together a design they have in their mind of a total outfit.   What they are objecting to, to some extent, is having to submit a line drawing.    They couldn’t quite understand why line drawings were necessary.   When explained that it removed distractions from detail, and that the text that should accompany the design should give direction as to how to decorate, use of material, etc., the question was, ” Why?”   They understood when the Folio (at CC) first started that computer art rendering wasn’t around and costs were high for producing it but now that stuff was produced on PDFs and there’s no printing, why not embrace the new ways  people were rendering with computers.   They pointed out how there is a gray area with the way artists in other mediums borrow from other sources, reinterpret or manipulate in another medium and it’s considered original Art.

To their mind, a black and white rendering was their compromise – they still weren’t understanding the necessity of leaving out the textures and other details, leaving a “wireframe” rendering.  They believe that by having to reinterpret it to line drawings, it will corrupt the “cleanness” of what they designed.   They reasoned that a “literal” person could follow the rendered design  and reproduce it exactly, but  people with a more “subjective eye” (like themselves)  could look at their finished piece and  interpret it how they wished.     I don’t think they were quite grasping the point of Folio designs and I wasn’t able to articulate the necessity for line drawings.   They asked “Is it in the Constitution that there must be line drawings”, and I said, “of course not”, but apparently they seem to think that by requiring a line drawing,  it excludes what is an emerging art form.   All they are seeing, I think, is the production and judging end of the reason, and not the design reason (“It’s still my design from my head”) .   After all, it’s all going to come out on a computer PDF for the most part, and judges will probably stop looking at paper and view it all on their tablets’, etc.   Maybe not right now, but in the hot too different future.  

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2828 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/3/2015
Subject: Re: Fashion folio Requirements/style/artist question

 

 

I partially understand the question that still comes back to “why”.   Many of us would brook at the “because we said so!” answer we remember with irritation.   But I think the best explanation is still being able to see the without the clutter and textures so as to get a better idea of construction.    And then one says “That’s the way we want it.   Period.”   For my part, I think they are overestimating the usage of photo manipulation for design work.  Most people will still start with a line drawing and work to detail, not backward.  This costumer started with a “finished product” and was reluctant to reduce it to the basics because it would supposedly not come out as cleanly.   Well, that’s the drawback to putting all that detail in there without “guidelines”.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 9:45 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [runacc] Re: Fashion folio Requirements/style/artist question

A agree with you Stace. ^_^

Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada

 


 

Stace wrote”

 “For sheer logistics’ sake it’s easier to just say “this is what we want, take it or leave it.” “

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2829 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/3/2015
Subject: Re: Fashion folio Requirements/style/artist question

 

Could a compromise be made that one could submit a more complicated drawing as long as they ALSO submitted a line work version? Maybe then both ideas would be satisfied?

 

Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2015 18:45:26 -0500
Subject: RE: [runacc] Re: Fashion folio Requirements/style/artist question

 

 

I partially understand the question that still comes back to “why”.   Many of us would brook at the “because we said so!” answer we remember with irritation.   But I think the best explanation is still being able to see the without the clutter and textures so as to get a better idea of construction.    And then one says “That’s the way we want it.   Period.”   For my part, I think they are overestimating the usage of photo manipulation for design work.  Most people will still start with a line drawing and work to detail, not backward.  This costumer started with a “finished product” and was reluctant to reduce it to the basics because it would supposedly not come out as cleanly.   Well, that’s the drawback to putting all that detail in there without “guidelines”.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 9:45 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [runacc] Re: Fashion folio Requirements/style/artist question

A agree with you Stace. ^_^

Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada

 


 

Stace wrote”

 “For sheer logistics’ sake it’s easier to just say “this is what we want, take it or leave it.” “

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2830 From: Kevin Roche Date: 6/3/2015
Subject: Re: Fashion folio Requirements/style/artist question

 

 

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 4:51 PM, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Could a compromise be made that one could submit a more complicated drawing as long as they ALSO submitted a line work version? Maybe then both ideas would be satisfied?

That’s how color/extra views were always handled in the past: a line drawing so builders have an idea what they are trying for, and color/detail views to help get as close as possible. The difference is that with electronic distribution we can offer a richer variety of alternate views.

Perhaps it could be clarified by noting to the artist who is protesting that the line drawing is like the view on the back of a pattern envelope.
Kevin

 

Group: runacc Message: 2831 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/3/2015
Subject: Re: Fashion folio Requirements/style/artist question

 

 

That was what they were told – “thank you for the submission, please send me a B&W line drawing in addition” and you have plenty of time.

I’m always happy to take additional views, color renderings, photo collages, etc. Since we produce an electronic Folio now I can include these without extra printing costs.

 

Nora

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2015 6:52 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [runacc] Re: Fashion folio Requirements/style/artist question


Could a compromise be made that one could submit a more complicated drawing as long as they ALSO submitted a line work version? Maybe then both ideas would be satisfied?

 

Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada

 


 

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2015 18:45:26 -0500
Subject: RE: [runacc] Re: Fashion folio Requirements/style/artist question

 

I partially understand the question that still comes back to “why”.   Many of us would brook at the “because we said so!” answer we remember with irritation.   But I think the best explanation is still being able to see the without the clutter and textures so as to get a better idea of construction.    And then one says “That’s the way we want it.   Period.”   For my part, I think they are overestimating the usage of photo manipulation for design work.  Most people will still start with a line drawing and work to detail, not backward.  This costumer started with a “finished product” and was reluctant to reduce it to the basics because it would supposedly not come out as cleanly.   Well, that’s the drawback to putting all that detail in there without “guidelines”.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 9:45 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [runacc] Re: Fashion folio Requirements/style/artist question

 

A agree with you Stace. ^_^

Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada

 


 

Stace wrote”

 “For sheer logistics’ sake it’s easier to just say “this is what we want, take it or leave it.” “

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2832 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/3/2015
Subject: Re: Fashion folio Requirements/style/artist question

 

Kevin wrote: “Perhaps it could be clarified by noting to the artist who is protesting that the line drawing is like the view on the back of a pattern envelope.”

AWESOME way of explaining it Kevin! 🙂

Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada


 

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Group: runacc Message: 2833 From: casamai Date: 6/5/2015
Subject: SLCG CC33 Review – Intro and Pre-con Promotion

 

 

 

So, time one
again for a review of the most recent Costume-Con.   Our group likes to thoroughly analyze a con
in anticipation of the next one.  We discuss
what we liked and didn’t like and then I bring it here to add to the runacc list “knowledge
base”, spark discussion and hopefully help future organizers avoid common
mistakes.   These are merely our
opinions, and observations made not just based on what was experienced as convention
attendees, but also convention veterans who have run a CC and/or have served on
multiple concoms.   By no means are our opinions the “final word”, but we’ve been told we’re generally accurate and always an interesting read.

 

 

This year’s
CC was in stark contrast to last year’s CC32 record attendance.
We can’t help but believe that this was partly due to frequent and
different breakdowns of communication at both the staff and convention
interaction level.  Granted, some of the
problems were beyond the concom’s control, but many problems could have been
easily avoided.  

 

 

So, let’s start with pre-con
stuff.    The Committee heads, if you remember, were a trio of
“old school” costumers who only moved to Charleston, SC about a year
ago.   They are not very social media savvy, despite having a FB
page.   Promotion of the con was woefully inadequate.  Because
they were relative newcomers, they hadn’t had much time to put down very deep
roots in the local fan population.  A long time ago, when we ran CCs 16
& 25, we realized that most of a convention’s attendees will be made up of
people within a 300 mile radius of the host city.   Yet, when we got
to the con, it  looked to us as though there were very few locals or
regional people.   It looked like a smaller version of an East Coast
CC from the 1990s.  That’s good, but also bad. 

 

 

 

 

 

Facebook is a
great tool for promotion, and yet,  the CC33 page was
underutilized.   As near as we can tell, they expected people to go
out to the convention website to get most any information.  That’s where
the occasional updates were and that’s where the Progress Reports were
found.  The Facebook page could have been used to get news out – they
really didn’t do much of that until around December last year – that’s out of
the three years between the site selection and the event.  The rest of the
time, the page was mostly about funny stuff about the con officers or
tourist stuff about Charleston.  We’ve said this in the past – con
committees should have a “communications officer” whose sole job is to
constantly come  up with content and be comfortable with social
media.  No attempt was made to ever get on Cosplay.com or other
forums.    The website was updated infrequently, and sometimes
was missing info.   Case in point: Apparently, rules Nora had written
for the Folio Show were missing until Karen pointed it out.   To
their credit, at least they fixed the problem quickly, but still…..

 

 

 

 

 

(Side note: it’s
been a problem for years that the Costume-Con.com site does not update for the
next year’s countdown.  Not sure how that works, but Karen Schnaubelt
ought to just put it out of its misery and use the .org site.   It’s
just a placeholder, anyway.)

 

 

 

 

 

The Progress
Reports were only electronic, as has been the case for the past few
years.  But as near as we can tell, it was never announced when each
one was posted.   Not on the FB page, not on the D list –
nowhere.   Maybe they sent notices to those who were
registered?   The PR#3 had the most pertinent content – the rest was
mostly fluff.

 

 

 

 

 

Promotion of the con was woefully inadequate.  As near as
we can tell, there appeared to be a great reliance on word of mouth to bring in
new members.   This opinion is based on what
appeared to be a low newbie to veteran ratio.
A long time ago, when we ran
CCs 16 & 25, we realized that most of a convention’s attendees will be made
up of people within a 300 mile radius of the host city.   Yet, when we got to the con, it  looked to us as though there were very few
locals or regional people.   It looked
like a smaller version of an East Coast CC from the 1990s.  That was nice in some ways, because we got to see some friends we only see once a year, but it’s also not good. 

 

 

As near
as we can tell, it was expected that people should go out to the convention website
to get most any information.  That’s
where the occasional updates were and that’s where the Progress Reports were
found.  The convention website was updated infrequently, and sometimes was missing info.    At times, it was a struggle for some staff to get it updated, even when the webmaster was notified.  

 (Side note: it’s been a problem for years that the Costume-Con.com site does not update for the next year’s countdown.  Not sure how that works, but maybe it ought to just put it out of its misery and use the .org site.   It’s just a placeholder, anyway.)

Facebook is a great tool for promotion, and yet,  the CC33 FB page was underutilized.  No attempt was made to ever get on Cosplay.com or other forums (although, this may be less important these days).  The CC33 Facebook page could have been
used to get news out – but that didn’t really happen until around December last
year – that’s in the three years between the site selection and the
event.  The rest of the time, the page
was mostly about funny stuff about the con officers or tourist stuff about
Charleston.   

 

 

We’ve said
this in the past – con committees should have a “communications officer” whose
sole job is to constantly come up with content and be comfortable with social
media.    So far, CC34 has been making some efforts – they’ve even been producing some online promotional
video content.  

 

 

Progress
Reports:  As near as we can tell, it was never
announced when each one was posted to the website.   Not
on the FB page, not on the D list – nowhere.
Maybe they sent notices to those who were registered?

Recommendations for future concoms :  

Make greater use of social media, especially, when trying to reach new members.

Have a staffer whose specific task is to come up with content – preferably someone not doing anything else major at the con, either.   They should function as sort of a newsletter editor, constantly looking for content to post.   They should build up a store of news items from the major department heads that they can “squirt out” every so often.   Either that, or have the event heads be sure to post something of interest every so often.   Many people are not familiar with CC – put some factoids out there, so that new people aren’t coming in not knowing what to expect.

BROADCAST INFO OVER ALL PLATFORMS: Twitter, FB, the website, the ICG-D list, etc.   Don’t ignore any opportunities to promote anything new and get people talking, and don’t favor one platform over another.  

Have staffers on Facebook share any posts off the convention FB page.   This way, you’re not only reaching those who follow the page, but it also broadcasts it to all their friends who may only be on the fringe of the costuming community.  Staffers should also invite their FB friends to Like the convention FB page.  Also, find and join costuming related FB pages so you can share info about CC.   In recent talks with the CC34 staff, it’s been determined that communications among cosplayers has decentralized, and now there are FB pages dedicated to the regions or venues where they are most likely to attend.   As an example, “STL Cosplayers Unite” (St. Louis area) has 621 members.   There are lots of Steampunk groups out there that should be investigated, too.  Don’t forget that huge following of people on the Historical clothing Yahoo Group, either.   Did you know there is a specific FB page  called the “Future Fashion Design Center”?

CC34 has come up with some really nice full color post card sized flyers.   These seem to work better than the old school 8″x10″ ones these days, and are more eye-catching   They’re also not as expensive to print as they use to be.

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2834 From: spiritof_76 Date: 6/6/2015
Subject: Re: SLCG CC33 Review – Intro and Pre-con Promotion

Speaking from experience, running a Costume-Con in a city with little to
no ICG presence is very difficult, let alone running one in a city
several states away from where the con-chairs live. I had three long
years of local convention promotion at about a half dozen conventions
per year, in a city where I had been a convention regular for over 10
years. Granted most locals did not seriously consider attending CC31
until about a year out. People who are accustomed to only attending the
same local conventions from year to year, only make plans a year out.
And people who have never voted on a convention are completely flumoxed
by concept. Based on my experiences, a year out of local promotion
could have been enough time to drum up local interest, if they had
already had an established presence in the local community.

Social Media has become a huge job, even more so than just an
Advertising person in the past. The internet is too vast for one person
to monitor and update across all social media platforms and forums.
There are tools like HootSuite to automate posting across multiple
social media platforms, but it’s still a huge job for one person. In
one of our ConCom meetings, one person asked if I had posted anything
about the convention on a specific forum for new mothers which she
belonged to, because many women on there make costumes for their kids.
Before I could answer, another committee member chimed in that it should
be the responsibility of every committee member to promote the
convention in the places that they frequent, whether that is in person
or on the internet.

Michael
CC31

On 2015-06-05 20:58, casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] wrote:
> So, time one again for a review of the most recent Costume-Con. Our
> group likes to thoroughly analyze a con in anticipation of the next
> one. We discuss what we liked and didn’t like and then I bring it
> here to add to the runacc list “knowledge base”, spark discussion
> and hopefully help future organizers avoid common mistakes. These are
> merely our opinions, and observations made not just based on what was
> experienced as convention attendees, but also convention veterans who
> have run a CC and/or have served on multiple concoms. By no means are
> our opinions the “final word”, but we’ve been told we’re generally
> accurate and always an interesting read.
>
> This year’s CC was in stark contrast to last year’s CC32 record
> attendance. We can’t help but believe that this was partly due to
> frequent and different breakdowns of communication at both the staff
> and convention interaction level. Granted, some of the problems were
> beyond the concom’s control, but many problems could have been
> easily avoided.
>
> So, let’s start with pre-con stuff. The Committee heads, if you
> remember, were a trio of “old school” costumers who only moved to
> Charleston, SC about a year ago. They are not very social media savvy,
> despite having a FB page. Promotion of the con was woefully
> inadequate. Because they were relative newcomers, they hadn’t had
> much time to put down very deep roots in the local fan population. A
> long time ago, when we ran CCs 16 & 25, we realized that most of a
> convention’s attendees will be made up of people within a 300 mile
> radius of the host city. Yet, when we got to the con, it looked to us
> as though there were very few locals or regional people. It looked
> like a smaller version of an East Coast CC from the 1990s. That’s
> good, but also bad.
>
> Facebook is a great tool for promotion, and yet, the CC33 page was
> underutilized. As near as we can tell, they expected people to go out
> to the convention website to get most any information. That’s where
> the occasional updates were and that’s where the Progress Reports
> were found. The Facebook page could have been used to get news out –
> they really didn’t do much of that until around December last year
> – that’s out of the three years between the site selection and the
> event. The rest of the time, the page was mostly about funny stuff
> about the con officers or tourist stuff about Charleston. We’ve said
> this in the past – con committees should have a “communications
> officer” whose sole job is to constantly come up with content and be
> comfortable with social media. No attempt was made to ever get on
> Cosplay.com or other forums. The website was updated infrequently, and
> sometimes was missing info. Case in point: Apparently, rules Nora had
> written for the Folio Show were missing until Karen pointed it out. To
> their credit, at least they fixed the problem quickly, but still…..
>
> (Side note: it’s been a problem for years that the Costume-Con.com
> site does not update for the next year’s countdown. Not sure how
> that works, but Karen Schnaubelt ought to just put it out of its
> misery and use the .org site. It’s just a placeholder, anyway.)
>
> The Progress Reports were only electronic, as has been the case for
> the past few years. But as near as we can tell, it was never announced
> when each one was posted. Not on the FB page, not on the D list –
> nowhere. Maybe they sent notices to those who were registered? The
> PR#3 had the most pertinent content – the rest was mostly fluff.
>
> Promotion of the con was woefully inadequate. As near as we can tell,
> there appeared to be a great reliance on word of mouth to bring in new
> members. This opinion is based on what appeared to be a low newbie to
> veteran ratio. A long time ago, when we ran CCs 16 & 25, we realized
> that most of a convention’s attendees will be made up of people
> within a 300 mile radius of the host city. Yet, when we got to the
> con, it looked to us as though there were very few locals or regional
> people. It looked like a smaller version of an East Coast CC from the
> 1990s. That was nice in some ways, because we got to see some friends
> we only see once a year, but it’s also not good.
>
> As near as we can tell, it was expected that people should go out to
> the convention website to get most any information. That’s where the
> occasional updates were and that’s where the Progress Reports were
> found. The convention website was updated infrequently, and sometimes
> was missing info. At times, it was a struggle for some staff to get it
> updated, even when the webmaster was notified.
>
> (Side note: it’s been a problem for years that the Costume-Con.com
> site does not update for the next year’s countdown. Not sure how
> that works, but maybe it ought to just put it out of its misery and
> use the .org site. It’s just a placeholder, anyway.)
>
> Facebook is a great tool for promotion, and yet, the CC33 FB page was
> underutilized. No attempt was made to ever get on Cosplay.com or other
> forums (although, this may be less important these days). The CC33
> Facebook page could have been used to get news out – but that
> didn’t really happen until around December last year – that’s in
> the three years between the site selection and the event. The rest of
> the time, the page was mostly about funny stuff about the con officers
> or tourist stuff about Charleston.
>
> We’ve said this in the past – con committees should have a
> “communications officer” whose sole job is to constantly come up
> with content and be comfortable with social media. So far, CC34 has
> been making some efforts – they’ve even been producing some online
> promotional video content.
>
> Progress Reports: As near as we can tell, it was never announced when
> each one was posted to the website. Not on the FB page, not on the D
> list – nowhere. Maybe they sent notices to those who were
> registered?
>
> Recommendations for future concoms :
>
> Make greater use of social media, especially, when trying to reach new
> members.
>
> Have a staffer whose specific task is to come up with content –
> preferably someone not doing anything else major at the con, either.
> They should function as sort of a newsletter editor, constantly
> looking for content to post. They should build up a store of news
> items from the major department heads that they can “squirt out” every
> so often. Either that, or have the event heads be sure to post
> something of interest every so often. Many people are not familiar
> with CC – put some factoids out there, so that new people aren’t
> coming in not knowing what to expect.
>
> BROADCAST INFO OVER ALL PLATFORMS: Twitter, FB, the website, the ICG-D
> list, etc. Don’t ignore any opportunities to promote anything new and
> get people talking, and don’t favor one platform over another.
>
> Have staffers on Facebook share any posts off the convention FB page.
> This way, you’re not only reaching those who follow the page, but it
> also broadcasts it to all their friends who may only be on the fringe
> of the costuming community. Staffers should also invite their FB
> friends to Like the convention FB page. Also, find and join costuming
> related FB pages so you can share info about CC. In recent talks with
> the CC34 staff, it’s been determined that communications among
> cosplayers has decentralized, and now there are FB pages dedicated to
> the regions or venues where they are most likely to attend. As an
> example, “STL Cosplayers Unite” (St. Louis area) has 621 members.
> There are lots of Steampunk groups out there that should be
> investigated, too. Don’t forget that huge following of people on the
> Historical clothing Yahoo Group, either. Did you know there is a
> specific FB page called the “Future Fashion Design Center”?
>
> CC34 has come up with some really nice full color post card sized
> flyers. These seem to work better than the old school 8″x10″ ones
> these days, and are more eye-catching They’re also not as expensive to
> print as they use to be.
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2835 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/6/2015
Subject: Re: SLCG CC33 Review – Intro and Pre-con Promotion

 

I cannot stress enough how important promotions are no matter how big your local community is how many clubs there are.

I know the common mythology about CC32 is that we had high attendance because we have a large cosplay community in the

Toronto-Ottawa-Montreal triangle, but quite frankly nothing could be further from the truth.
We had to get out and talk up Costume-Con to people and convince them to come. We worked hard on the
cosplay community because it was new to them. We figured the Klingons, Bad Wolves, Steampunk clubs, the replicators, 501st, renfaire and SCA people, the historical societies, and the Ontario Costume Society, etc (basically anybody old school) would come out with just postcard drops and a few promo tables. !!! NOPE !!!
We got very few attendees from those, (quite large) crowds, and most of them were personal friends or friends of friends.
The mean and potatoes of our membership, (setting aside CC regulars), were those people we shook down at
Anime/new media cons, and did outreach to in the form of panels, heavily attended promo tables, and prize promotions, etc.

We* had to work  the crowd hard, and this is something I’ve been trying to desperately stress to future Costume-Con committees.

~Dawn

* We being Maral, Dawn, assorted friends and most gracious fellow Costume-Con table minders. TEAM EFFORT! <3
Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2015 22:20:30 -0700
Subject: Re: [runacc] SLCG CC33 Review – Intro and Pre-con Promotion

 

Speaking from experience, running a Costume-Con in a city with little to
no ICG presence is very difficult, let alone running one in a city
several states away from where the con-chairs live. I had three long
years of local convention promotion at about a half dozen conventions
per year, in a city where I had been a convention regular for over 10
years. Granted most locals did not seriously consider attending CC31
until about a year out. People who are accustomed to only attending the
same local conventions from year to year, only make plans a year out.
And people who have never voted on a convention are completely flumoxed
by concept. Based on my experiences, a year out of local promotion
could have been enough time to drum up local interest, if they had
already had an established presence in the local community.

Social Media has become a huge job, even more so than just an
Advertising person in the past. The internet is too vast for one person
to monitor and update across all social media platforms and forums.
There are tools like HootSuite to automate posting across multiple
social media platforms, but it’s still a huge job for one person. In
one of our ConCom meetings, one person asked if I had posted anything
about the convention on a specific forum for new mothers which she
belonged to, because many women on there make costumes for their kids.
Before I could answer, another committee member chimed in that it should
be the responsibility of every committee member to promote the
convention in the places that they frequent, whether that is in person
or on the internet.

Michael
CC31

On 2015-06-05 20:58, casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] wrote:
> So, time one again for a review of the most recent Costume-Con. Our
> group likes to thoroughly analyze a con in anticipation of the next
> one. We discuss what we liked and didn’t like and then I bring it
> here to add to the runacc list “knowledge base”, spark discussion
> and hopefully help future organizers avoid common mistakes. These are
> merely our opinions, and observations made not just based on what was
> experienced as convention attendees, but also convention veterans who
> have run a CC and/or have served on multiple concoms. By no means are
> our opinions the “final word”, but we’ve been told we’re generally
> accurate and always an interesting read.
>
> This year’s CC was in stark contrast to last year’s CC32 record
> attendance. We can’t help but believe that this was partly due to
> frequent and different breakdowns of communication at both the staff
> and convention interaction level. Granted, some of the problems were
> beyond the concom’s control, but many problems could have been
> easily avoided.
>
> So, let’s start with pre-con stuff. The Committee heads, if you
> remember, were a trio of “old school” costumers who only moved to
> Charleston, SC about a year ago. They are not very social media savvy,
> despite having a FB page. Promotion of the con was woefully
> inadequate. Because they were relative newcomers, they hadn’t had
> much time to put down very deep roots in the local fan population. A
> long time ago, when we ran CCs 16 & 25, we realized that most of a
> convention’s attendees will be made up of people within a 300 mile
> radius of the host city. Yet, when we got to the con, it looked to us
> as though there were very few locals or regional people. It looked
> like a smaller version of an East Coast CC from the 1990s. That’s
> good, but also bad.
>
> Facebook is a great tool for promotion, and yet, the CC33 page was
> underutilized. As near as we can tell, they expected people to go out
> to the convention website to get most any information. That’s where
> the occasional updates were and that’s where the Progress Reports
> were found. The Facebook page could have been used to get news out –
> they really didn’t do much of that until around December last year
> – that’s out of the three years between the site selection and the
> event. The rest of the time, the page was mostly about funny stuff
> about the con officers or tourist stuff about Charleston. We’ve said
> this in the past – con committees should have a “communications
> officer” whose sole job is to constantly come up with content and be
> comfortable with social media. No attempt was made to ever get on
> Cosplay.com or other forums. The website was updated infrequently, and
> sometimes was missing info. Case in point: Apparently, rules Nora had
> written for the Folio Show were missing until Karen pointed it out. To
> their credit, at least they fixed the problem quickly, but still…..
>
> (Side note: it’s been a problem for years that the Costume-Con.com
> site does not update for the next year’s countdown. Not sure how
> that works, but Karen Schnaubelt ought to just put it out of its
> misery and use the .org site. It’s just a placeholder, anyway.)
>
> The Progress Reports were only electronic, as has been the case for
> the past few years. But as near as we can tell, it was never announced
> when each one was posted. Not on the FB page, not on the D list –
> nowhere. Maybe they sent notices to those who were registered? The
> PR#3 had the most pertinent content – the rest was mostly fluff.
>
> Promotion of the con was woefully inadequate. As near as we can tell,
> there appeared to be a great reliance on word of mouth to bring in new
> members. This opinion is based on what appeared to be a low newbie to
> veteran ratio. A long time ago, when we ran CCs 16 & 25, we realized
> that most of a convention’s attendees will be made up of people
> within a 300 mile radius of the host city. Yet, when we got to the
> con, it looked to us as though there were very few locals or regional
> people. It looked like a smaller version of an East Coast CC from the
> 1990s. That was nice in some ways, because we got to see some friends
> we only see once a year, but it’s also not good.
>
> As near as we can tell, it was expected that people should go out to
> the convention website to get most any information. That’s where the
> occasional updates were and that’s where the Progress Reports were
> found. The convention website was updated infrequently, and sometimes
> was missing info. At times, it was a struggle for some staff to get it
> updated, even when the webmaster was notified.
>
> (Side note: it’s been a problem for years that the Costume-Con.com
> site does not update for the next year’s countdown. Not sure how
> that works, but maybe it ought to just put it out of its misery and
> use the .org site. It’s just a placeholder, anyway.)
>
> Facebook is a great tool for promotion, and yet, the CC33 FB page was
> underutilized. No attempt was made to ever get on Cosplay.com or other
> forums (although, this may be less important these days). The CC33
> Facebook page could have been used to get news out – but that
> didn’t really happen until around December last year – that’s in
> the three years between the site selection and the event. The rest of
> the time, the page was mostly about funny stuff about the con officers
> or tourist stuff about Charleston.
>
> We’ve said this in the past – con committees should have a
> “communications officer” whose sole job is to constantly come up
> with content and be comfortable with social media. So far, CC34 has
> been making some efforts – they’ve even been producing some online
> promotional video content.
>
> Progress Reports: As near as we can tell, it was never announced when
> each one was posted to the website. Not on the FB page, not on the D
> list – nowhere. Maybe they sent notices to those who were
> registered?
>
> Recommendations for future concoms :
>
> Make greater use of social media, especially, when trying to reach new
> members.
>
> Have a staffer whose specific task is to come up with content –
> preferably someone not doing anything else major at the con, either.
> They should function as sort of a newsletter editor, constantly
> looking for content to post. They should build up a store of news
> items from the major department heads that they can “squirt out” every
> so often. Either that, or have the event heads be sure to post
> something of interest every so often. Many people are not familiar
> with CC – put some factoids out there, so that new people aren’t
> coming in not knowing what to expect.
>
> BROADCAST INFO OVER ALL PLATFORMS: Twitter, FB, the website, the ICG-D
> list, etc. Don’t ignore any opportunities to promote anything new and
> get people talking, and don’t favor one platform over another.
>
> Have staffers on Facebook share any posts off the convention FB page.
> This way, you’re not only reaching those who follow the page, but it
> also broadcasts it to all their friends who may only be on the fringe
> of the costuming community. Staffers should also invite their FB
> friends to Like the convention FB page. Also, find and join costuming
> related FB pages so you can share info about CC. In recent talks with
> the CC34 staff, it’s been determined that communications among
> cosplayers has decentralized, and now there are FB pages dedicated to
> the regions or venues where they are most likely to attend. As an
> example, “STL Cosplayers Unite” (St. Louis area) has 621 members.
> There are lots of Steampunk groups out there that should be
> investigated, too. Don’t forget that huge following of people on the
> Historical clothing Yahoo Group, either. Did you know there is a
> specific FB page called the “Future Fashion Design Center”?
>
> CC34 has come up with some really nice full color post card sized
> flyers. These seem to work better than the old school 8″x10″ ones
> these days, and are more eye-catching They’re also not as expensive to
> print as they use to be.
>

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2836 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/6/2015
Subject: Re: SLCG CC33 Review – Intro and Pre-con Promotion-correction

 

I of course meant “Meat an potatoes” .

“mean and potatoes” is metric for that. 😉

Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada

 

“The mean and potatoes of our membership”

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2837 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/6/2015
Subject: Re: SLCG CC33 Review – Intro and Pre-con Promotion

 

Good review.  However, it needed editing.  Several paragraphs are repeated verbatim, everything from “Promotion of the con. . .“ through “. . . mostly fluff” appears twice.

 

Byron

 

 

On Jun 5, 2015, at 11:58 PM, casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

So, time one again for a review of the most recent Costume-Con.   Our group likes to thoroughly analyze a con in anticipation of the next one.  We discuss what we liked and didn’t like and then I bring it here to add to the runacc list “knowledge base”, spark discussion and hopefully help future organizers avoid common mistakes.   These are merely our opinions, and observations made not just based on what was experienced as convention attendees, but also convention veterans who have run a CC and/or have served on multiple concoms.   By no means are our opinions the “final word”, but we’ve been told we’re generally accurate and always an interesting read.

This year’s CC was in stark contrast to last year’s CC32 record attendance.  We can’t help but believe that this was partly due to frequent and different breakdowns of communication at both the staff and convention interaction level.  Granted, some of the problems were beyond the concom’s control, but many problems could have been easily avoided.   

So, let’s start with pre-con stuff.    The Committee heads, if you remember, were a trio of “old school” costumers who only moved to Charleston, SC about a year ago.   They are not very social media savvy, despite having a FB page.   Promotion of the con was woefully inadequate.  Because they were relative newcomers, they hadn’t had much time to put down very deep roots in the local fan population.  A long time ago, when we ran CCs 16 & 25, we realized that most of a convention’s attendees will be made up of people within a 300 mile radius of the host city.   Yet, when we got to the con, it  looked to us as though there were very few locals or regional people.   It looked like a smaller version of an East Coast CC from the 1990s.  That’s good, but also bad.  

 

Facebook is a great tool for promotion, and yet,  the CC33 page was underutilized.   As near as we can tell, they expected people to go out to the convention website to get most any information.  That’s where the occasional updates were and that’s where the Progress Reports were found.  The Facebook page could have been used to get news out – they really didn’t do much of that until around December last year – that’s out of the three years between the site selection and the event.  The rest of the time, the page was mostly about funny stuff about the con officers or tourist stuff about Charleston.  We’ve said this in the past – con committees should have a “communications officer” whose sole job is to constantly come  up with content and be comfortable with social media.  No attempt was made to ever get on Cosplay.com or other forums.    The website was updated infrequently, and sometimes was missing info.   Case in point: Apparently, rules Nora had written for the Folio Show were missing until Karen pointed it out.   To their credit, at least they fixed the problem quickly, but still…..

 

(Side note: it’s been a problem for years that the Costume-Con.com site does not update for the next year’s countdown.  Not sure how that works, but Karen Schnaubelt ought to just put it out of its misery and use the .org site.   It’s just a placeholder, anyway.)

 

The Progress Reports were only electronic, as has been the case for the past few years.  But as near as we can tell, it was never announced when each one was posted.   Not on the FB page, not on the D list – nowhere.   Maybe they sent notices to those who were registered?   The PR#3 had the most pertinent content – the rest was mostly fluff.

 

Promotion of the con was woefully inadequate.  As near as we can tell, there appeared to be a great reliance on word of mouth to bring in new members.   This opinion is based on what appeared to be a low newbie to veteran ratio.      A long time ago, when we ran CCs 16 & 25, we realized that most of a convention’s attendees will be made up of people within a 300 mile radius of the host city.   Yet, when we got to the con, it  looked to us as though there were very few locals or regional people.   It looked like a smaller version of an East Coast CC from the 1990s.  That was nice in some ways, because we got to see some friends we only see once a year, but it’s also not good.  

As near as we can tell, it was expected that people should go out to the convention website to get most any information.  That’s where the occasional updates were and that’s where the Progress Reports were found.  The convention website was updated infrequently, and sometimes was missing info.    At times, it was a struggle for some staff to get it updated, even when the webmaster was notified.  

 (Side note: it’s been a problem for years that the Costume-Con.com site does not update for the next year’s countdown.  Not sure how that works, but maybe it ought to just put it out of its misery and use the .org site.   It’s just a placeholder, anyway.)

Facebook is a great tool for promotion, and yet,  the CC33 FB page was underutilized.  No attempt was made to ever get on Cosplay.com or other forums (although, this may be less important these days).  The CC33 Facebook page could have been used to get news out – but that didn’t really happen until around December last year – that’s in the three years between the site selection and the event.  The rest of the time, the page was mostly about funny stuff about the con officers or tourist stuff about Charleston.    

We’ve said this in the past – con committees should have a “communications officer” whose sole job is to constantly come up with content and be comfortable with social media.    So far, CC34 has been making some efforts – they’ve even been producing some online promotional video content.  

Progress Reports:  As near as we can tell, it was never announced when each one was posted to the website.   Not on the FB page, not on the D list – nowhere.   Maybe they sent notices to those who were registered?   


Recommendations for future concoms :  

Make greater use of social media, especially, when trying to reach new members.
 
Have a staffer whose specific task is to come up with content – preferably someone not doing anything else major at the con, either.   They should function as sort of a newsletter editor, constantly looking for content to post.   They should build up a store of news items from the major department heads that they can “squirt out” every so often.   Either that, or have the event heads be sure to post something of interest every so often.   Many people are not familiar with CC – put some factoids out there, so that new people aren’t coming in not knowing what to expect.   

BROADCAST INFO OVER ALL PLATFORMS: Twitter, FB, the website, the ICG-D list, etc.   Don’t ignore any opportunities to promote anything new and get people talking, and don’t favor one platform over another.   

Have staffers on Facebook share any posts off the convention FB page.   This way, you’re not only reaching those who follow the page, but it also broadcasts it to all their friends who may only be on the fringe of the costuming community.  Staffers should also invite their FB friends to Like the convention FB page.  Also, find and join costuming related FB pages so you can share info about CC.   In recent talks with the CC34 staff, it’s been determined that communications among cosplayers has decentralized, and now there are FB pages dedicated to the regions or venues where they are most likely to attend.   As an example, “STL Cosplayers Unite” (St. Louis area) has 621 members.   There are lots of Steampunk groups out there that should be investigated, too.  Don’t forget that huge following of people on the Historical clothing Yahoo Group, either.   Did you know there is a specific FB page  called the “Future Fashion Design Center”?

CC34 has come up with some really nice full color post card sized flyers.   These seem to work better than the old school 8″x10″ ones these days, and are more eye-catching   They’re also not as expensive to print as they use to be.  


 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2838 From: casamai Date: 6/6/2015
Subject: Re: SLCG CC33 Review – Intro and Pre-con Promotion
You’re right, it IS the responsibility of all the committee to promote, but there still should be someone to coordinate – people are less likely to be motivated on their own.   They need to keep the cats focused.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2839 From: casamai Date: 6/6/2015
Subject: Re: SLCG CC33 Review – Intro and Pre-con Promotion

Ah, I’m not seeing that when I look at it.   I just checked it twice..

 

 

Bruce

 

Group: runacc Message: 2840 From: casamai Date: 6/6/2015
Subject: SLCG CC33 Review – Future Fashion Folio

 

 

 

This
publication, distributed prior to the convention will be recorded as one of the
worst in the convention’s history.    As
near as we can tell, there must have been a heavy reliance on the convention regulars and
tradition to get the word out about it, because the only evidence we can find
of promotion was on the website and 1 email back in July.   There may have been promoting  elsewhere on other lists they belong to, but
FB and the ICG-D list are the primary forums for reaching a majority of the
potential attendees.   The only content
found about the rules for the Folio were on the website and PR #2.

 

 

This  lack of promotion HAD to have been a factor
in the serious lag in submissions, resulting in the submission deadline being pushed back
at least once.   Some people didn’t know
about the extension because that announcement was not made widely.  

 

 

While
selecting judges from 3 different time zones might be doable these days, thanks
to the Internet, there were coordination difficulties.  The Editor insisted on routing only one set of
the submissions to one judge at a time, rather than providing  them to all three simultaneously.    Once the judges had all finally made their
own reviews, they supposedly Skyped to confer.
This process, and then the time taken for publication, took until late
February.

 

 

The con
chairs should have been monitoring the situation and either replaced the
Editor  or advised them to come up with a
better solution like finding local judges in their area.  However, because one of the con chairs had their
own health issues, thus their co-chair/spouse was distracted. 

 

 

Finally, the
link to the finished Folio was sent out on March 6 – less than 10 weeks from
the convention.    There was no
announcement on the D list, no announcement on the FB page.   There
should have been a greater effort to get the word out about it – people are
lazy and won’t seek it out.  And once the
link was sent, not everyone could open the PDF file.   

 

 

As for the
content of the Folio, while there was a claim that there were “so many designs”, there were only 5 designers, with only 96 published pages, which
included some blanks to assure that it would print out formatted
correctly.   

 

 

The recognition
system of “you’re either in the Folio or not” was discarded in favor of 1st,
2nd and 3rd places and people didn’t like it.
Even when the Folio finally came out, most of the designs left people
uninspired – we heard this from several people at the con, not just our own
people.   (Maybe this is a panel for the
next CC – can design be taught?)    Many
of the designs were too complicated to be able to be completed in the short
amount of time left.    

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2841 From: casamai Date: 6/6/2015
Subject: SLCG CC33 Review – The Hotel

 

 

 

Many
different opinions and experiences with the hotel.  It was certainly convenient to get to.   FREE PARKING(!).   The worst thing we had was Housekeeping was
sometimes a little slow delivering supplies.
The elevators were quick.   The
staff was all mostly friendly.   We
didn’t see the amount of wear others saw.

 

 

The hotel
food was not bad, the prices typical for the area.   But not everyone had the same experiences.

 

 

“I
didn’t particularly care for the attitude of the staff in the restaurant.
“We’re usually not open for lunch, we’re just doing this for your
group.”  Said with a kind of put-out tone of voice.  That really
put me off the place so we never ate there again.” 

 

 

Another commenter:

 

 

“Restaurant
was OK for breakfast. It was nice to be able to pay for the buffet in advance
so we could just leave when we were done, rather than waiting forever for the
check. We only ate there once for dinner (time crunch) and the buffet fare was
definitely not worth the $18 price. Staff was OK for us. We don’t usually eat
lunch at a con, so didn’t encounter the lunch problem.”

 

 

 While there were no restaurants within walking
distance, there were several within 5 minutes driving time.   Supposedly, the hotel shuttle would take you
anywhere you wanted to go within a 3 mile radius for free.  There was also one that would take you
downtown, to the visitor’s bureau.
There was no hot tub, but there was an indoor/outdoor pool.    Perhaps hot tubs are not as big a thing in
the South?

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2842 From: casamai Date: 6/6/2015
Subject: SLCG CC33 Review – Registration

 

 

 

At least
some registration stuff was there to pick up Thursday evening, but there was
apparently some miscommunication about giving out the complete packets, so some
of people had to pick up the rest the next day.    

 

 

“This one really confused me. The swag
bags were ready. I know. I stuffed them all on Tuesday night. I’m not sure why
they weren’t available Thursday night.”

 

 

There were not enough people to man
Registration and we saw one person who appeared to be spending an awful lot of
time behind the table.  This seemed to be
a recurring indicator that the con was understaffed.  

 

 

To us the
“swag bag” was not much to write home about.
There was no map of the hotel, but the layout was relatively simple and
the few meeting rooms used were all together in one place, save for a board
room on the third floor (which was hard to find at first until someone posted a
handwritten sign).  

 

 

The program
book was minimal at best and had a number of errors, mostly regarding info
about the panels (missing descriptions or no description at all in one or two
cases). 

 

 

“The program book broke down as
follows:

 

 

32 pages including front
cover. 

 

 

2 blank pages (inside of front
cover and front side of back page). 

 

 

No back cover. 

 

 

Letter from con chairs 1
page. 

 

 

Panel descriptions 3 pages, some of
which had no description in the program book.

 

 

Harassment Policy: 2 pages

 

 

Bios – 6 pages

 

 

Ads – 3 pages, two half page
ads and 2 full page ads

 

 

Costume Con Constitution – 9 pages

 

 

Other articles – 6 pages (Miss
Lizzy’s Travelling Historical Fashion Show, Astronaut Quilt, Richard Man:
Transformations: Cosplay, List of past CostumeCons).

 

 

The two blank pages were a real
waste of space.  The letters from the Co-chairs could have been
photocopied onto the back of the front cover and the Rare Recorded Videos ad
moved up a page, saving a page.  I find it curious that there was no ad
space for any of the upcoming Costume Cons.  I think blank pages would be
better used by including some traceable human figures, one male and one female
and perhaps some info on the upcoming Future Fashion Folio.

 

 

The list of past CostumeCons was
nice and would have made the Con Chair’s toast at the dead dog party a lot
easier, if there had been a dead dog party.

 

 

Local
Guide –
 Not quite as helpful as one
would have liked.  We actually needed to find the Walmart listed on the
guide.  It took a lot of driving around on the other side of the
highway.  There are lots of signs there claiming the presence of a
Walmart, but none of them point you in the proper direction.  A simple
hand drawn map would have cleared all that up.  Another thing lacking on
the local guide is some useful info about laws in the area.  It took a
wasted trip to the liquor store to discover that liquor stores in SC are not
allowed to sell beer.”

 

 

The
programming schedule grid sheet was hard to read correctly, leading people to
misread start times by 30 minutes.
There ought to be a better software out there for these kinds of things.  If something exists, it could be shared from
year to year.

 

 

“This suffered from the usual lack
of basic knowledge of Excel.  It’s a simple thing to merge cells together
vertically and center the time so that you know for sure that this line means
9:00 and that line means 9:30.  There was some real confusion caused by
the pocket program about whether certain panels started at 1:00 or 1:30.
Having each day on its own page did make for some simple folding to display at
a glance what was coming up on that day.”

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2843 From: casamai Date: 6/6/2015
Subject: SLCG CC33 Review – Friday Night

 

 

 

The pre-judging
time for the Single Pattern Contest was posted in the “stealth PR”.   At the con, in at least one case, a
contestant was told the rehearsal was 2:00 PM.
As it turned out, there did not appear to be a rehearsal and there was
some scrambling to get down to the ballroom for judging.   Bottom line: there should have been more
announcements about the first competition of the con.  In any case, the show went off without a
hitch, other than the MC mispronouncing
titles of entries. 
Nora
picked up my pre-reg form because I was elsewhere, and she was told that the

rehearsal
was at 2 PM.  When I found out it was actualy for
pre-judging, I had to scramble.   The only notice I found later about
the time was in the “stealth PR” #3.    This information should
have been announced on the FB page and the D list, like other info.


Unfortunatlely, the choice for MC was not the best, resulting in awkward pauses
and mispronunciations.   Otherwise, the show went off without much of
a hitch.

 

 

As for the Social itself, the food spread was better
than some pasr CCs, and it did not run out of protein –always a good
thing.  Attendees did play along with the speakeasy theme,
costume-wise.    The bar had a selection of bad beer, bad wine
and bad soda.   Leftovers from the Social were moved to Hospitality –
including the huge amounts of leftovers of birthday sheetcake for one of the
co-chairs.   The spinning light gobos were annoying, but at least
seating was adequate and the house lights were not down too low.

 

 

As for the Social
itself, the food spread was better than some pasr CCs, and it did not run out
of protein –always a good thing.  (It
would have been nice if arrangements had been made so that the people backstage
didn’t miss out on some of that protein, though). 

 

 

Attendees
did play along with the speakeasy theme, costume-wise.    The bar had a selection of bad beer, bad
wine and bad soda.   Leftovers from the
Social were moved to Hospitality – including the huge amounts of leftover
birthday cake for one of the co-chairs.
The spinning light gobos were annoying, but at least seating was
adequate and the house lights were not down too low.

 

 

“I liked the free drink ticket.  It would
have been nice if there were something worth drinking for free.
Charleston has some fine microbreweries.  I don’t understand not having at
least one of them as a choice for a beer.  The food was the same stuff
from the con suite.  I have to resurrect a comment from a CC in the
past.  Deja Food.  Didn’t I just eat this.  Something that was a
little amusing was the drawing they kept trying to have, only to have the
person giving out the tickets scream that she was still handing them out.
Perhaps these tickets should have gone in the swag bag, like the drink
ticket.  Just a thought.”

 

 

There was also this:

 

“The
Friday Night Social was sold as featuring a variety of southern specialties. In
reality, there was nothing except cheese trays and peach cobbler..…”
(Not strictly true – there were pulled pork
sandwiches, and the cobbler, for itself, was excellent)   “…Earlier on Friday, I heard
some members suggesting that they could opt to skip dinner; I hope they didn’t
do so.”

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2844 From: casamai Date: 6/6/2015
Subject: SLCG CC33 Review – Programming

 

 

 

The
Programming person was noticeably distracted by personal events, leading up to
the last few months of the con. 

 

 

There were
misgivings about a peer having their way paid as guest – not sure what
precedent that might set in the future.
Opinions were mixed as to the variety of panels and demos, so there was
no consensus one way or another.    Most
people liked what they saw.   

 

 

“There was a decent variety, just
not enough of them. “

 

 

 

It’s hard to
strike that right balance of enough and not enough.   Not enough, people get bored.   Too many, then they complain about having to
choose between panels.   One possibility
might be to have more panels, but repeat some of them.

 

 

 

 

 

“Also, the staggered start and
end times were confusing and usually meant I either had to miss the last part
of one, or the first part of another.”

 

 

 

 

 

“My biggest issue was there was nowhere that said who was on what
panels – so if you were on a panel and didn’t know what name it was in the
program, you couldn’t find it. Also, if you were looking for someone in
particular, no way to find what panel they might be on so you could find them.”

 

 

 

 

 

The fact
that this was not a very big con probably explains why the Friday and Saturday
“My First Costume-Con” panels never had more than 5 people in them.  We believe they’re still an important panel
to have, and provide an important service to newcomers – especially to let them
know about Hospitality.   One of the
newbies came all the way from North Dakota, and we suspect we have a new
convert.   

 

 

Very few
panels had less than three attendees: apparently, the panel on how the Library
of Congress is now archiving masquerade video was surprisingly well
attended(!).

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2845 From: ECM Date: 6/6/2015
Subject: Re: SLCG CC33 Review – Intro and Pre-con Promotion

 

Before the end of CC33, CC34 handed me a folder of promotional materials and asked me to spread the word in my part of the world.  That was a great idea!  For CC30, we sent fliers far and wide, both hard copy & electronically.

Elaine


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2015 18:01:40 -0700
Subject: Re: [runacc] SLCG CC33 Review – Intro and Pre-con Promotion

 

You’re right, it IS the responsibility of all the committee to promote, but there still should be someone to coordinate – people are less likely to be motivated on their own.   They need to keep the cats focused.

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2846 From: casamai Date: 6/6/2015
Subject: SLCG CC33 Review – Hospitality

 

 

The “egg mcmuffins” the
SLCG sponsored Sunday morning in the Suite were appreciated, and several people
thanked us later for providing them.   At
least, those didn’t run out before most people who got up early enough didn’t
miss out on them.   However, had we been
reminded that the Brunch was supposed to be at 10:00 AM, we would have probably
chosen a different time to sponsor the Suite.

 

 

 

“The selection of food in the con suite got really
boring.  I’m sure this was written into the hotel contract, but those
sorts of things are always negotiable.  No hotel can make that an
absolute.  You can always go to another hotel.  Some groups did
manage to sneak some extra stuff into the room though.  I noticed the
cheese curds from the CC Madison folks and the Mead.  I mentioned before
the predilection for putting a little sugar in the unsweet tea.  I did
like having tea to drink though.  The space needed to be a little larger
and have a few more tables.  There were several mornings where Sue and I
were a little stuck for a place to sit and the love seat in the middle of the
room caused some traffic problems, some that couldn’t even be solved by leaving
one door and coming back in the other.  The room was kept relatively clean
by the hotel staff.  Aside from sugar in my unsweet tea, I can’t complain
about them much.”

 

 

The other
bright spot in the otherwise repetitive fare in Hospitality was an ice cream
social sponsored by Atomacon, a local SF con.
The one glaring item missing all weekend was soda.  All the drinks (tea, juices, etc.) were
sweetened to some extent – even the apple juice (?). 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2847 From: casamai Date: 6/6/2015
Subject: SLCG CC33 Review – SF & F Masquerade

 

 

 

It will be a
recurring theme that, had the various shows been bigger, they could have been
disastrous.*   (Keep that in mind) 

 

 

For whatever
reasons, all the normal tech crews were unavailable for CC33.  Probably , just a case of bad timing.    It was fortunate that Eric and Sue were able
to bring at least a barebones tech set up along with their video
equipment.    The PR#3 said people could submit their
presentation music on either CDs or USB drives.
It turned out, though, there was limited tech – the amount of tech the
Cannons could bring was limted by  the
space in their car.   Because of that,
all MP3 files had to be burned to CDs before they could be played.   They HAD suggested people bring more than
one copy on more than one medium, but people may have not have done that, and
it was not mentioned again during registration, starting while the ICG meeting
was going on Friday – this is where the assistant to the MD could have been
utilized.    Tech COULD have run WAY
behind while the files were burned late in the day Saturday.*

 

 

Contestants
were told to arrive at the Green Room at 6:00 PM – the GR was not
prepared.   It seems they must have
started getting organized, because it was 20-30 minutes before they allowed
people in.  Not sure why people were only
allowed into the somewhat cramped space in running order, and then assigned their
den.  

 

 

“F/SF
was the worst for space. I can’t say for the FFS/Curtains, because I wasn’t
back there. Historical was tight, but not as much as F/SF……
The person arriving to do check-in was unpleasant and we had
a bit of a snip-fest at the beginning. I was trying to be efficient, and she
wanted things HER way.”

 

 

“….We
didn’t get a running order and # of people per entry until at least 6:30, so we
couldn’t set up the dens till then. It helped that the last entry was the 12
body entry, so they got the hall kind of by default. There was no way to put
them in the room.”

 

 

This made
for a longer delay.   That’s really
inefficient, especially when they were already running late.*    The contestants had to repeat their info to
different people, even though they were right next to each other – probably a
noise AND organization issue. 

 

 

The dens
were poorly set up with chairs in an oval, with no tables  – there was no space.   The contestants were told they could not use
more than one seat, so where were they supposed to put the stuff they brought
down?  Guess no one had thought of
that.   One den wound up having to be set
up out in the hall (shades of CC32)*.   

 

 

“Some
entries wouldn’t have fit into the quilt room.  We were already having
issues with exit doors – apparently the fire marshal was there and was being
picky about stuff blocking the doors.”

 

 

“…we
were having to steal chairs from the audience because there weren’t enough in
the green room for everyone.”

 

 

“In
hindsight, for F/SF, we really needed to swap the spaces of two of the dens (and
put Santa into the corner). That giant costume kept sticking out into the only
path for movement we had and catching every dangly bit that went by.”

 

 

The den moms
were given hats to wear to identify them, but apparently, no one actually
mentioned that.   Guess it was supposed
to be assumed.   The den moms were not
informed to make sure people got to the official photographer – at least not
initially.    The GR ran out of water at
some point.   It DID have a repair kit,
and it was used. 

 

 

Official
Photography took up about ¼ of the space that could have been used for Green
Room, but there was no where else to really put it.  

 

 

“I
don’t think there was really anyplace else for the photographers to go other
than in that room – the partitions were kind of arbitrary, so yes, it was 1/3
of the space. “

 

 

 The judges
were not photographed as part of the official record – not sure who would have
been responsible for making sure that happened.

 

 

Workmanship
judges were placed at the end of the main hall where the audience could
potentially see them before the show – no attempt to curtain that area off was
made (probably because it wasn’t really thought about until the last
minute). 

 

 

It was
obvious that the con had some staffing issues, since the GR Director was also
shooting the reference photos, as well as having been working Registration each
day.  Unfortunately, her assistant was
apparently not very experienced at the GR check in process.    There was also a shortage of backstage crew,
with only 3 ninjas ( I stepped in to help).

 

 

The photo
run ran without a problem, and the judges returned shortly after the video
halftime. (The Workmanship judging panel had taken a little longer to complete
deliberations).   Overall, less time
might have been taken had the printing of awards started immediately after the
Presentation judges had finished, rather than waiting for the Workmanship
results.   It was apparently a bit of a
“duh’ moment.   Regardless, awards were
fair, there were enough people recognized for their efforts, and there were no
controversies.

 

Just on recommendation here, that I remember: aprons instead of hats, and hand fans. 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2848 From: casamai Date: 6/6/2015
Subject: SLCG CC33 Review – FFS and other stuph

 

 

 

There was
yet more than one lack of communication in regards to the Future Fashion Show

 

 

 

 

 

There had
been an announcement sometime late in 2014 on the FB page and (stealth) PR #3
about a Sunday Brunch and Cotillion “in conjuction” with the Future Fashion Show  at 10:00 AM
– this was the first the FFS Director learned of it, rather than via the
Staff Yahoo group.   That was supposed to
be the time when rehearsals would have been called.  The “brunch” was served – an hour late – in
the main traffic hall outside the ballroom.
A sign was posted on the door of the Ballroom, stating that the FFS
would start at 11:30 AM – again, the Director was not personally informed.   The brunch fare was slightly different
(sandwiches and deep fried mac & cheese accompanied by the déjà food, but
the protein ran out early) and the “cotillion” mostly consisted of some ladies
standing around in their hoopskirts because there was no seating and they were
not allowed to enter the ballroom while tech was going on.    Overall, it was poorly organized and poorly
executed.

 

 

There were
two factors that led to this year’s Future Fashion Show being the smallest in
the con’s history.  The first factor was
the Folio Editor’s management of the Folio, leaving little time for anyone
to consider making an outfit for the show.
And so, there were only 2 children’s entries and one adult – all three
were designed by the same person (the adult – who was not related to the
children in any way).  The Folio Show
Director made token efforts to promote the show, but it was deemed mostly of no
use, given the lateness of the Folio.  

 

 

The second
major factor that affected the Folio show was the “Miss Ellen’s Portieres”
competition.  This challenge apparently
captured the imaginations of a lot of people – the show had more entries than
the SF & F masquerade.   As a result,
the people who had intended to enter both competitions had to choose between
this or the Folio Show.    (Side note:
People in the Portiere show as contestant, staff, crew, were not accommodated
by the committee to get brunch food to them)

 

 

“Given the poor quality of the
Future Fashion Folio, it’s not surprising that there were only three entries in
the Future Fashion Show.  I think a contributing factor was scheduling the
curtain contest immediately after.  Given that the Future Fashion Show is
expressly called for in the ConStitution, I think it’s time to stop scheduling
things so that a person has to choose do I do the Future Fashion Show or do I
do this other thing.  Either move those things to the Friday Night Social,
as has been done in the past, or here’s a thought.  How about a contest
for Monday afternoon.  No one seems to schedule any programming for that
time.  Why not give us a contest?”

 

 

Another:

 

 

“Any
extra stuff needs to either go with the Single Pattern on Friday, or be a
display-only competition like shoes or ties. I think the tote-bag one that CC34
is doing is in that category, but I may be wrong”

 

 

And yet another:

 

 

“You
would think that, by now, we would have learned that putting anything in
proximity to the FFS is detrimental to the Future Fashion Show.  It’s
happened time and again.  This is something we really need to emphasize…”

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2849 From: casamai Date: 6/6/2015
Subject: SLCG CC33 REview – Historical

 

 

 

Prejudging
took place in the Green Room again, with the distractions of Tech Rehearsals.  There were only 10 entries in the show, so
again – good thing it was a small con.*

 

 

An
opportunity was missed to keep the judges corralled and also allow them
additional time for discussion by arranging for them to have dinner
together.   This worked at CC31. 

 

 

The Green
Room was the same size, but the contestants took up just about as much room
because of 9 people with wings, among other things.  There was only one noticeable tech snag.  Again, the feeling by people was the awards
were in adequate numbers, fair and again, no controversies.   Some of the contestants were surprised and
pleased to be recognized.   At halftime,
the quilt and doll awards announcements could have been done before the judges
got back.

Recommendation:  Make sure to allow time for judges to change to costumes before the show – your costumes are the creds on your back.

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2850 From: casamai Date: 6/6/2015
Subject: SLCG CC33 Review – Monday

 

 

 

The Monday
tour of Charleston was… a bit disorganized.
Originally, we had to sign up ahead of time before the con and send in a
downpayment for it.   Then, we found out
a couple of weeks before we left that the tour time would slightly overlap the
Road Show time slot.   We managed to
arrange it so that we’d have 30 minutes to get stuff in the room and meet for
pick up.   Then, we were told the tour
was cancelled. During the weekend, we were told the tour was back ON again, but
even earlier than we had been told.
Fortunately, Pierre and Sandy weren’t going on the tour, so they covered
for us, and apparently had a pretty good turn out.

 

 

Upon our return
from the Charleston tour, we learned there would be no Dead Dog Party.   Supposeldy, it would take place the
following night.    What in the world
were they thinking?  

 

 

The big problem with the con suite
was that it disappeared Monday afternoon, leaving no space for the dead dog
party.  Some real lack of planning there.

Recommendation:  Maybe more should be done to try to keep people on Monday.   I think I may have suggested last year maybe having programming that would appeal more to the veterans, because it’s usually the veterans who stick around through Monday.     And for gosh sakes, don’t dismiss the Dead Dog Party!

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2851 From: casamai Date: 6/6/2015
Subject: SLCG CC33 Review – Dealers Room

There
were a whopping TWO dealers: one with beads, one with trim.  Both good dealers, for what they were, but….   How/why did this happen?   The story we heard was because originally,
Janet was supposed to bring  AlterYears.    At
the last minute, her travel plans changed and she had to fly instead, leaving a
huge hole in the Dealers Room.   We
suspect there had been no other dealers brought in so that Janet would no
competition or repetition of wares.
This completely backfired and it was too late to do anything about
it.  To fill space, the  convention voting table was placed there,
along with CC34’s promotion table and one for the SCA.   

 

The rest of the room was taken up by Lisa’s
“Miss LIzzy’s Travelling Historical Fashion Show”.   This was a pretty nice display of antique
women’s clothing, but it wouldn’t have been in the Dealers Room had things not
fallen through.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2852 From: casamai Date: 6/6/2015
Subject: SLCG CC33 Review – One last recommendation

if
someone foresees a year before the event that there may be some personal issues that may interfere with
doing their job, there is nothing wrong with backing out – they should not feel
obligated.   Better to get out in enough time
that the position can be filled, rather than doing  a poor job and make excuses like “I’m just a volunteer”.   That is unacceptable – take responsibility or resign.

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2853 From: casamai Date: 6/6/2015
Subject: SLCG CC33 Review – Exhibit Room

 

 

 

Mostly composed of a few of Janet Wilson Anderson’s competition pieces, plus
one or two others.   The Archives
provided material for a little “slide show” of Janet’s works. 

 

 

This one had one bright spot for
me.  Having been at JW Anderson’s Making New Mistakes panel and hearing
here discuss the My Fair Lady dress at some length, it was nice to be able to
go to the exhibits and see the costume and documentation right there.  A
real plus.”

 

 

 

 

 

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Group: runacc Message: 2754 From: Trudy Leonard Date: 4/17/2015
Subject: Re: [runacc] Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes
Group: runacc Message: 2755 From: tinathebookworm Date: 4/18/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costume s
Group: runacc Message: 2756 From: Kaijugal . Date: 4/18/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes
Group: runacc Message: 2757 From: staceylee25 Date: 4/18/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes
Group: runacc Message: 2758 From: Vicky Young Date: 4/18/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes
Group: runacc Message: 2759 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 4/18/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes
Group: runacc Message: 2760 From: Pierre and Sandy Pettinger Date: 4/18/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costume s
Group: runacc Message: 2761 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 4/19/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Stace
Group: runacc Message: 2762 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 4/19/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Kevin and
Group: runacc Message: 2763 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 4/19/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes
Group: runacc Message: 2764 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 4/19/2015
Subject: Re: Access to this list – bid groups
Group: runacc Message: 2765 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 4/19/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Aurora
Group: runacc Message: 2766 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 4/19/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn
Group: runacc Message: 2767 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 4/19/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes- Stace again
Group: runacc Message: 2768 From: ECM Date: 4/19/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn
Group: runacc Message: 2769 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 4/19/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Stace
Group: runacc Message: 2770 From: Kaijugal . Date: 4/19/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn
Group: runacc Message: 2771 From: Kaijugal . Date: 4/19/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Stace
Group: runacc Message: 2772 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 4/19/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Stace (& A
Group: runacc Message: 2773 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 4/19/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn
Group: runacc Message: 2774 From: Kaijugal . Date: 4/19/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn
Group: runacc Message: 2775 From: spiritof_76 Date: 4/20/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes
Group: runacc Message: 2776 From: Byron Connell Date: 4/20/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Stace
Group: runacc Message: 2777 From: Byron Connell Date: 4/20/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn
Group: runacc Message: 2778 From: Kaijugal . Date: 4/20/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn
Group: runacc Message: 2779 From: ECM Date: 4/20/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn
Group: runacc Message: 2780 From: Byron Connell Date: 4/21/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn
Group: runacc Message: 2781 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 4/21/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn
Group: runacc Message: 2782 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 4/24/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn, Elai
Group: runacc Message: 2783 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 4/24/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn
Group: runacc Message: 2784 From: ECM Date: 4/24/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn, Elai
Group: runacc Message: 2785 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 4/24/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn, Elai
Group: runacc Message: 2786 From: ECM Date: 4/24/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn, Elai
Group: runacc Message: 2787 From: staceylee25 Date: 4/25/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – photos
Group: runacc Message: 2788 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 4/25/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – photos
Group: runacc Message: 2789 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 4/25/2015
Subject: Competition FAQ for Costume-Cons
Group: runacc Message: 2790 From: Byron Connell Date: 4/26/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – photos
Group: runacc Message: 2791 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 4/27/2015
Subject: Re: Competition FAQ for Costume-Cons
Group: runacc Message: 2792 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 4/27/2015
Subject: Survey – (was Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes…
Group: runacc Message: 2793 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 4/27/2015
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Group: runacc Message: 2794 From: spiritof_76 Date: 4/27/2015
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Group: runacc Message: 2795 From: Kaijugal . Date: 4/27/2015
Subject: Re: Survey – (was Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costume
Group: runacc Message: 2796 From: Vicky Young Date: 4/27/2015
Subject: Re: Survey – (was Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costume
Group: runacc Message: 2797 From: markptjan Date: 4/27/2015
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Group: runacc Message: 2798 From: staceylee25 Date: 4/28/2015
Subject: Re: Survey – (was Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costume
Group: runacc Message: 2799 From: herself-the-elf@rogers.com Date: 4/28/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes
Group: runacc Message: 2800 From: grizzy1955 Date: 4/28/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes
Group: runacc Message: 2801 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 4/28/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes
Group: runacc Message: 2802 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 4/30/2015
Subject: Re: Survey – (was Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costume
Group: runacc Message: 2803 From: Kaijugal . Date: 5/2/2015
Subject: Re: Survey – (was Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costume

 


 

Group: runacc Message: 2754 From: Trudy Leonard Date: 4/17/2015
Subject: Re: [runacc] Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes

 

I think Atlanta is still considered part of the South (CC22!). 😊
Trudy
Sent from Windows Mail
From: costumecon committee
Sent: ‎Friday‎, ‎April‎ ‎17‎, ‎2015 ‎9‎:‎19‎ ‎PM
To: costumecon committee
 

I’d like to use a few electrons to look at how we got here.  Kevin and Andy really are the historians of costuming, however, and I hope they’ll chime in.

In the beginning there were hall costumes.  There were no competition costumes because there were no competitions.  In 1939, Forry Ackerman and Morojo worse costumes Morojo made to the very first World Science Fiction Convention (NYCon 1).  To the best of my knowledge, no one else did so.  Over time, as more fen began to wear them (e.g., E.E. “Doc” Smith, who liked to dress as his Lensman character, Kimball Kinnison), concoms began to organize events at which they could show them off.  These were very much masquerade parties, not stage shows.  As time went on, opportunities were given for persons in costume to step up to a microphone and talk about their costume.
The popularity of costume-wearing at SF cons became so great that, by the time the masquerade party had morphed into a stage show, entries frequently exceed 100 in number and the “Masquerade” could run for hours.  To reduce the size of masquerades, MDs began to use a rule that no costume seen in the hall before the masquerade could be entered.  This actually was very effective in cutting the number of masquerade entries down to a reasonable size (e.g., 50).  The first version of the ICG’s masquerade guidelines included the suggestion that such a commonly found rule be included.  That version was adopted by ballots counted at the 1992 ICG annual meeting (at CC 10).  It worked.
Costume-Con is a child of SF conventions.  Its structure is very similar.  Like SF cons, we have programming, social events, a dealers’ room, and competitions.  The costume exhibit essentially is a replacement for the SF con art show.  Similar to worldcons, we bid years in advance for the right to hold a CC and the current members vote on the bid(s).  While we don’t have the equivalent of the Hugo awards, the multiple competitions in a sense fill that niche.  We give tacit recognition to local costuming clubs, especially ICG chapters, much as local SF clubs participate in the worldcon (especially if they hold their own local SF conventions).  We’ve even had a Guest of Honor on occasion (e.g., CC 33).
Since the time we included a “no hall costumes in the masquerade” guideline in the ICG Guidelines in 1992, the wearing of hall costumes declined in popularity at SF cons, though not so much at CCs.  Masquerades also had gotten smaller.  That, I believe, was the principal reason that the current ICG Fairness Guidelines dropped that provision when they were adopted in 2006. It was no longer needed.  It had become common for masquerades at local and regional sf cons, and even at worldcons, to number fewer than 25.  In 2009, for example, the Anticipation masquerade (Montreal) had 30 entries; in 2011, the Chicon 7 masquerade had 27.  Costume-Cons followed a similar trend to smaller masquerades.  The CC 11 SFF masquerade had 43 entries.  The CC 29 SFF masquerade had 32; the CC 31 SFF masquerade had 31.
At CC 32, the SFF masquerade had 79 entries, 2 1/2 times the number the year before.  This was not just because of cosplayers attracted to the first CC in Ontario since CC 13, since even the Historical, which is lucky to have 20 entries, had 31.  CC 32 also set a new record for memberships.  At this point, I have absolutely no idea how much pent up costuming energy there is for CC 33.  Ther has never been a CC in the South and few southern SF cons have masquerades, so we may get a lot of members and entries.  The same may be true for 34, in Madison Wisconsin, although there have been mid-western CCs.  It may not be true for 35 in Mississauga, only three years after 32 in Toronto.
So, should you once again exclude hall costumes from the masquerade?  If you want to, go ahead; the MD’s word is law.  If you believe a CC (or any other con with a masquerade) is likely to have a very large number of members both desiring to show hall costumes and to enter the masquerade, you may want to do so in order to reduce the number of entries.  It worked in the past; it may do so again.  You have other options, however, such as restricting the availability of some awards.
“Are the days of saving one’s competition costume for the stage fading?”  Those days are relatively recent — only about 20 years old.  They don’t represent the long-term trend.  Whether that’s good or bad is up to you.  As one experienced performance judge, I’m not much concerned about the “wow” factor being reduced by having seen the costume in the halls.  I generally don’t remember that I’ve seen the costume in the halls and, anyway, I’m also looking at it under optimum lighting and as presented to the audience with the intended soundtrack.  Those factors all are missing in the halls.  We may want to ask other judges for their views on this point.
Byron the Boring
On Apr 16, 2015, at 10:03 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

This oughtta stir some debate:   🙂

New subject:

More of our CC memberships are being filled with the ranks of costumers coming from the cosplay community.   At conventions that cater to that demographic, the emphasis is more about wearing their “wow” costumes in the halls for maximum effect.     Often, the costume contests are seemingly more about getting all their fans in one room to cheer them on, rather than a “masquerade”.   This environment was pretty much the case in Toronto.   Don’t get me wrong – it was great having all those new people.   And I applauded efforts to try to impress our “con culture upon all those new folks “.

I recognize that we must reach out to these costumers for the sake of getting new blood, but is there a risk of making too much of an accommodation?   I remember one person on Cosplay.com (a forum that, at least USED to be, a place CC concoms should be paying attention to) said “I spent a lot of time on my one costume and I want to wear it as much as I can”.   So, they wore it pretty much everywhere.   They were not the only ones.   Now, in some ways, I can’t blame them for thinking that way.   But, stay with me here.

Any “wow” factor has been lost by the time they get on stage.   Chances are, the judges will have seen them at some point, beforehand.   This makes the costume less “fresh”.   It’s also not as much fun for the judges because they’ve seen it already – part of the fun for them is the surprise factor.

I suspect this year’s CC will feel more “old school”, but I wonder what will happen at CC34 and subsequently, at 35?

Are the days of saving one’s competition costume for the stage fading?

Should there be more of an effort to encourage people not to wear their competition costume in the halls before the masquerade?

In my opinion, you have a better masquerade without a “preview”.

Discuss!

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2755 From: tinathebookworm Date: 4/18/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costume s

You’re right, Trudy. I noticed that right away.

 

Tina C.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2756 From: Kaijugal . Date: 4/18/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes

 

“Are the days of saving one’s competition costume for the stage fading?”

I do not think so.
I think, in part, the focus on being seen as impressive in the halls it two fold.
1) And most notably, the big cons like some of the one here have 5 thousand, twenty thousand, even a hundred thousand attendees. The masquerade may be limited to only twenty or fourty or in extreme cases a hundred
masquerade entries. There is always a scrum for the limited slots in the masquerade, (even at a show such as Anime North where we have a Masquerade, Skit, and a specific Workmanship competition), and the likelihood of you GETTING to show your impressive, stageworthy costume on stage is low. Quite frankly  it’s a crap shoot.
2) Photography. In the old days, the best way of making sure you’d have a nice picture of your really impressive
costume was to enter the masquerade and get a copy of the official photography photo. Now in the advent of digital photography, can just as likely get a nice photo with an accomplished fan photographer elsewhere in the convention without participating in the masquerade.
I think therefore some people have become accustomed to wearing the “impressive things” in the halls.

Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 21:19:42 -0400
Subject: Re: [runacc] Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes

 

I’d like to use a few electrons to look at how we got here.  Kevin and Andy really are the historians of costuming, however, and I hope they’ll chime in.

In the beginning there were hall costumes.  There were no competition costumes because there were no competitions.  In 1939, Forry Ackerman and Morojo worse costumes Morojo made to the very first World Science Fiction Convention (NYCon 1).  To the best of my knowledge, no one else did so.  Over time, as more fen began to wear them (e.g., E.E. “Doc” Smith, who liked to dress as his Lensman character, Kimball Kinnison), concoms began to organize events at which they could show them off.  These were very much masquerade parties, not stage shows.  As time went on, opportunities were given for persons in costume to step up to a microphone and talk about their costume.
The popularity of costume-wearing at SF cons became so great that, by the time the masquerade party had morphed into a stage show, entries frequently exceed 100 in number and the “Masquerade” could run for hours.  To reduce the size of masquerades, MDs began to use a rule that no costume seen in the hall before the masquerade could be entered.  This actually was very effective in cutting the number of masquerade entries down to a reasonable size (e.g., 50).  The first version of the ICG’s masquerade guidelines included the suggestion that such a commonly found rule be included.  That version was adopted by ballots counted at the 1992 ICG annual meeting (at CC 10).  It worked.
Costume-Con is a child of SF conventions.  Its structure is very similar.  Like SF cons, we have programming, social events, a dealers’ room, and competitions.  The costume exhibit essentially is a replacement for the SF con art show.  Similar to worldcons, we bid years in advance for the right to hold a CC and the current members vote on the bid(s).  While we don’t have the equivalent of the Hugo awards, the multiple competitions in a sense fill that niche.  We give tacit recognition to local costuming clubs, especially ICG chapters, much as local SF clubs participate in the worldcon (especially if they hold their own local SF conventions).  We’ve even had a Guest of Honor on occasion (e.g., CC 33).
Since the time we included a “no hall costumes in the masquerade” guideline in the ICG Guidelines in 1992, the wearing of hall costumes declined in popularity at SF cons, though not so much at CCs.  Masquerades also had gotten smaller.  That, I believe, was the principal reason that the current ICG Fairness Guidelines dropped that provision when they were adopted in 2006. It was no longer needed.  It had become common for masquerades at local and regional sf cons, and even at worldcons, to number fewer than 25.  In 2009, for example, the Anticipation masquerade (Montreal) had 30 entries; in 2011, the Chicon 7 masquerade had 27.  Costume-Cons followed a similar trend to smaller masquerades.  The CC 11 SFF masquerade had 43 entries.  The CC 29 SFF masquerade had 32; the CC 31 SFF masquerade had 31.
At CC 32, the SFF masquerade had 79 entries, 2 1/2 times the number the year before.  This was not just because of cosplayers attracted to the first CC in Ontario since CC 13, since even the Historical, which is lucky to have 20 entries, had 31.  CC 32 also set a new record for memberships.  At this point, I have absolutely no idea how much pent up costuming energy there is for CC 33.  Ther has never been a CC in the South and few southern SF cons have masquerades, so we may get a lot of members and entries.  The same may be true for 34, in Madison Wisconsin, although there have been mid-western CCs.  It may not be true for 35 in Mississauga, only three years after 32 in Toronto.
So, should you once again exclude hall costumes from the masquerade?  If you want to, go ahead; the MD’s word is law.  If you believe a CC (or any other con with a masquerade) is likely to have a very large number of members both desiring to show hall costumes and to enter the masquerade, you may want to do so in order to reduce the number of entries.  It worked in the past; it may do so again.  You have other options, however, such as restricting the availability of some awards.
“Are the days of saving one’s competition costume for the stage fading?”  Those days are relatively recent — only about 20 years old.  They don’t represent the long-term trend.  Whether that’s good or bad is up to you.  As one experienced performance judge, I’m not much concerned about the “wow” factor being reduced by having seen the costume in the halls.  I generally don’t remember that I’ve seen the costume in the halls and, anyway, I’m also looking at it under optimum lighting and as presented to the audience with the intended soundtrack.  Those factors all are missing in the halls.  We may want to ask other judges for their views on this point.
Byron the Boring
On Apr 16, 2015, at 10:03 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

This oughtta stir some debate:   🙂

New subject:

More of our CC memberships are being filled with the ranks of costumers coming from the cosplay community.   At conventions that cater to that demographic, the emphasis is more about wearing their “wow” costumes in the halls for maximum effect.     Often, the costume contests are seemingly more about getting all their fans in one room to cheer them on, rather than a “masquerade”.   This environment was pretty much the case in Toronto.   Don’t get me wrong – it was great having all those new people.   And I applauded efforts to try to impress our “con culture upon all those new folks “.

I recognize that we must reach out to these costumers for the sake of getting new blood, but is there a risk of making too much of an accommodation?   I remember one person on Cosplay.com (a forum that, at least USED to be, a place CC concoms should be paying attention to) said “I spent a lot of time on my one costume and I want to wear it as much as I can”.   So, they wore it pretty much everywhere.   They were not the only ones.   Now, in some ways, I can’t blame them for thinking that way.   But, stay with me here.

Any “wow” factor has been lost by the time they get on stage.   Chances are, the judges will have seen them at some point, beforehand.   This makes the costume less “fresh”.   It’s also not as much fun for the judges because they’ve seen it already – part of the fun for them is the surprise factor.

I suspect this year’s CC will feel more “old school”, but I wonder what will happen at CC34 and subsequently, at 35?

Are the days of saving one’s competition costume for the stage fading?

Should there be more of an effort to encourage people not to wear their competition costume in the halls before the masquerade?

In my opinion, you have a better masquerade without a “preview”.

Discuss!

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2757 From: staceylee25 Date: 4/18/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes

Elaine, Kevin….BRILLIANT. I will consider making the changes and running past the concomm at our next meeting. Muahahaha.

Dawn does have a point – at much larger cons, there are different habits and cultures cultivated by the sheer size and the number of opportunities for presenting a costume. Dragon*Con has ALWAYS been about showing your most spectacular costumes in the hall, not the masquerade, because the masquerade (at least in the early 2000s) had an awful reputation for not being about the quality of construction at all. Plus, every single fandom track has its own costume contest, held at random points during the day and not involving performance at all. To compete in the Star Wars costume contest you just showed up at the 2pm time slot and let the celebrities ogle you from their chairs. It’s always been “the thing to do” to spend all year building your most amazing costume and then just hang around in the Hyatt lobby to let the photographer circles cluster around you. I don’t know if that’s changed much in the last 10 years, but there you go.

I am fascinated by Byron’s history information, mainly because it might be a case of history repeating itself. Masquerades at mid-sized cons are getting swelled to bursting again, maybe it IS time to re-instill the actual rule to cut down on the number of entries. I don’t think 30-some entries is a bad number for a CC, 40 would be beautiful but I’ll take 30’s. It’s a matter of balancing judging stress, green room time, masquerade length, and judging deliberation against letting everyone who wants to compete be able to compete. Too many entries and your whole schedule and system gets clogged. But make the rules too strict and you scare off the wide-eyed novices and give them the impression that we are a bunch of elitists who don’t want them playing in our pool.

CC34 is definitely trying to court the young crowd, we’ve got a lot of newish anime cons in our area and the midwest is packed full of all kinds of genre cons of various sizes. We don’t know what’s going to show up but at the same time I think we want to balance traditional expectations against what the young folks are “used to.” What they’re used to isn’t always good. We’ve walked out on masquerades at some of these tiny WI cons because they’re just awful. Emcees on the stage making fun of the competitors and interfering in their performances, judges who have no sewing or costume-building skills at all but were picked because they’re friends with the director, rules allowing people to sing entire 5-minute-long songs with a hand mike (badly), limits on the number of walk-ons allowed so that they can let skits have 5 minutes or more….you name it. Every con that starts up runs a masquerade that re-invents the wheel without borrowing from other more successful masquerades, so we’ve seen hilarious and wrong taken to all new levels. So, there’s a lot we’re just NOT going to encourage, no matter how much the youngsters complain that it’s “not what they’re used to.” Tough, you’re not getting a five minute skit to sing Broadway tunes.

Stace

—In runacc@yahoogroups.com, <ecmami@…> wrote :

However, I’m a little sneaky – as a person “my age” is entitled to be.  I would be very generous with hall costume awards.  VERY generous.  Then put in the rule that costumes that have won hall costume awards will be in the masquerade as “exhibition only.  Not in competition.”  It won’t shorten the parade any, but might have some impact on the costumers, and will surely help the judges.

Elaine Mami

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2758 From: Vicky Young Date: 4/18/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes

 

Interestingly enough, in addition to the masquerades that we’ve walked out on here in WI, I’ve also seen the opposite happening at many of our local cons, where the competition is getting stiffer, and the entrants who are not completely new to the masquerade scene are waiting to put the their costumes on until they are in the green room. This phenomenon really seems to be convention-specific, as Dawn has already pointed out. I know that when I have gone to bigger anime cons, like Acen, I preferred to wear my impressive costumes in the hallways, because they just got so much more exposure. I also got many more pictures taken, and I admit to a certain satisfaction when I see pictures of my costume pop up on costuming forums and websites. 🙂
Vicky Assarattanakul

 

On Saturday, April 18, 2015 12:42 PM, “staceylee25@yahoo.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Elaine, Kevin….BRILLIANT. I will consider making the changes and running past the concomm at our next meeting. Muahahaha.

Dawn does have a point – at much larger cons, there are different habits and cultures cultivated by the sheer size and the number of opportunities for presenting a costume. Dragon*Con has ALWAYS been about showing your most spectacular costumes in the hall, not the masquerade, because the masquerade (at least in the early 2000s) had an awful reputation for not being about the quality of construction at all. Plus, every single fandom track has its own costume contest, held at random points during the day and not involving performance at all. To compete in the Star Wars costume contest you just showed up at the 2pm time slot and let the celebrities ogle you from their chairs. It’s always been “the thing to do” to spend all year building your most amazing costume and then just hang around in the Hyatt lobby to let the photographer circles cluster around you. I don’t know if that’s changed much in the last 10 years, but there you go.

I am fascinated by Byron’s history information, mainly because it might be a case of history repeating itself. Masquerades at mid-sized cons are getting swelled to bursting again, maybe it IS time to re-instill the actual rule to cut down on the number of entries. I don’t think 30-some entries is a bad number for a CC, 40 would be beautiful but I’ll take 30’s. It’s a matter of balancing judging stress, green room time, masquerade length, and judging deliberation against letting everyone who wants to compete be able to compete. Too many entries and your whole schedule and system gets clogged. But make the rules too strict and you scare off the wide-eyed novices and give them the impression that we are a bunch of elitists who don’t want them playing in our pool.

CC34 is definitely trying to court the young crowd, we’ve got a lot of newish anime cons in our area and the midwest is packed full of all kinds of genre cons of various sizes. We don’t know what’s going to show up but at the same time I think we want to balance traditional expectations against what the young folks are “used to.” What they’re used to isn’t always good. We’ve walked out on masquerades at some of these tiny WI cons because they’re just awful. Emcees on the stage making fun of the competitors and interfering in their performances, judges who have no sewing or costume-building skills at all but were picked because they’re friends with the director, rules allowing people to sing entire 5-minute-long songs with a hand mike (badly), limits on the number of walk-ons allowed so that they can let skits have 5 minutes or more….you name it. Every con that starts up runs a masquerade that re-invents the wheel without borrowing from other more successful masquerades, so we’ve seen hilarious and wrong taken to all new levels. So, there’s a lot we’re just NOT going to encourage, no matter how much the youngsters complain that it’s “not what they’re used to.” Tough, you’re not getting a five minute skit to sing Broadway tunes.

Stace


—In runacc@yahoogroups.com, <ecmami@…> wrote :


However, I’m a little sneaky – as a person “my age” is entitled to be.  I would be very generous with hall costume awards.  VERY generous.  Then put in the rule that costumes that have won hall costume awards will be in the masquerade as “exhibition only.  Not in competition.”  It won’t shorten the parade any, but might have some impact on the costumers, and will surely help the judges.
 
Elaine Mami

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2759 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 4/18/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes

In less a “historian” and more “just a guy who remembers shit.”

Forty and Myrtle wore their “futuricostumes” at the first Worldcon, and the reports I read said it was just them.

At the second Worldcon, more people wore costumes, and there was a costume contest at the dance.

I believe “masquerade” was chosen because it originally was a costume-friendly dance/ball with a contest, but I’ve got no concrete evidence that’s definitely the case.

I do not know when things changed from a simple contest at the dance. There’s plenty of evidence that, through most of the 50’s, masquerades were still a simple affair, and the pros participated. There’s also evidence by the late 60’s of large, complicated stage costumes. John and Bjo Trimble world be the people to ask, they were there, in the middle of it. June Moffatt would also be a primary source.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2760 From: Pierre and Sandy Pettinger Date: 4/18/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costume s

 

Well, I think Byron has said it better than I ever could. I would
prefer  not to see the competition costumes in the halls before the
competition, but it should be up to the individual MD.  In our
experience, we see more of the “hall costumes in competition”
at smaller cons/masquerades, in order to encourage more people to enter.
At some cons, if we didn’t recruit hall costumes, we wouldn’t have had a
show.

Stace also made a good point about the size of competition costumes. If
the costume can’t get thru doorways without major contortions, if you
knock over 3 people every time you turn around, or if you need an
entourage just to move, it’s not really suitable for the halls. That
doesn’t mean competition costumes can’t be hall costumes. If we have
large competition costumes, we try our best to design them so they can be
easily modified for hall wear (different headpiece, removable train,
removing wings, etc.) We’ve also occasionally turned hall costumes into
competition costumes, by doing the reverse.

While we would not wear our competition costumes in the halls beforehand,
ultimately the rule should be up to the Masquerade Director, who
hopefully will decide based on what will provide the best show to the
audience.

Sandy

At 09:09 PM 4/17/2015, Byron wrote:

 

I’d like to use a few electrons
to look at how we got here.  Kevin and Andy really are the
historians of costuming, however, and I hope they’ll chime in.

In the beginning there were hall costumes.  There were no
competition costumes because there were no competitions.  In 1939,
Forry Ackerman and Morojo worse costumes Morojo made to the very first
World Science Fiction Convention (NYCon 1).  To the best of my
knowledge, no one else did so.  Over time, as more fen began to wear
them (e.g., E.E. “Doc” Smith, who liked to dress as his Lensman
character, Kimball Kinnison), concoms began to organize events at which
they could show them off.  These were very much masquerade parties,
not stage shows.  As time went on, opportunities were given for
persons in costume to step up to a microphone and talk about their
costume.

The popularity of costume-wearing at SF cons became so great that, by the
time the masquerade party had morphed into a stage show, entries
frequently exceed 100 in number and the Masquerade could run for
hours.  To reduce the size of masquerades, MDs began to use a rule
that no costume seen in the hall before the masquerade could be
entered.  This actually was very effective in cutting the number of
masquerade entries down to a reasonable size (e.g., 50).  The first
version of the ICG’s masquerade guidelines included the suggestion that
such a commonly found rule be included.  That version was adopted by
ballots counted at the 1992 ICG annual meeting (at CC 10).  It
worked.

Costume-Con is a child of SF conventions.  Its structure is very
similar.  Like SF cons, we have programming, social events, a
dealers’ room, and competitions.  The costume exhibit essentially is
a replacement for the SF con art show.  Similar to worldcons, we bid
years in advance for the right to hold a CC and the current members vote
on the bid(s).  While we don’t have the equivalent of the Hugo
awards, the multiple competitions in a sense fill that niche.  We
give tacit recognition to local costuming clubs, especially ICG chapters,
much as local SF clubs participate in the worldcon (especially if they
hold their own local SF conventions).  We’ve even had a Guest of
Honor on occasion (e.g., CC 33).

Since the time we included a “no hall costumes in the
masquerade” guideline in the ICG Guidelines in 1992, the wearing of
hall costumes declined in popularity at SF cons, though not so much at
CCs.  Masquerades also had gotten smaller.  That, I believe,
was the principal reason that the current ICG Fairness Guidelines dropped
that provision when they were adopted in 2006. It was no longer
needed.  It had become common for masquerades at local and regional
sf cons, and even at worldcons, to number fewer than 25.  In 2009,
for example, the Anticipation masquerade (Montreal) had 30 entries; in
2011, the Chicon 7 masquerade had 27.  Costume-Cons followed a
similar trend to smaller masquerades.  The CC 11 SFF masquerade had
43 entries.  The CC 29 SFF masquerade had 32; the CC 31 SFF
masquerade had 31.

At CC 32, the SFF masquerade had 79 entries, 2 1/2 times the number the
year before.  This was not just because of cosplayers attracted to
the first CC in Ontario since CC 13, since even the Historical, which is
lucky to have 20 entries, had 31.  CC 32 also set a new record for
memberships.  At this point, I have absolutely no idea how much pent
up costuming energy there is for CC 33.  Ther has never been a CC in
the South and few southern SF cons have masquerades, so we may get a lot
of members and entries.  The same may be true for 34, in Madison
Wisconsin, although there have been mid-western CCs.  It may not be
true for 35 in Mississauga, only three years after 32 in
Toronto.

So, should you once again exclude hall costumes from the
masquerade?  If you want to, go ahead; the MD’s word is law.
If you believe a CC (or any other con with a masquerade) is likely to
have a very large number of members both desiring to show hall costumes
and to enter the masquerade, you may want to do so in order to reduce the
number of entries.  It worked in the past; it may do so again.
You have other options, however, such as restricting the availability of
some awards.

“Are the days of saving one’s competition costume for the stage
fading?”  Those days are relatively recent — only about 20 yyears
old.  They don’t represent the long-term trend.  Whether
that’s good or bad is up to you.  As one experienced performance
judge, I’m not much concerned about the “wow” factor being reduced
by having seen the costume in the halls.  I generally don’t
remember that I’ve seen the costume in the halls and, anyway, I’m
also looking at it under optimum lighting and as presented to the
audience with the intended soundtrack.  Those factors all are
missing in the halls.  We may want to ask other judges for their
views on this point.

Byron the Boring

On Apr 16, 2015, at 10:03 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’
casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]
<runacc@yahoogroups.com
> wrote:

This oughtta stir some debate:   🙂
New subject:
More of our CC memberships are being filled with the ranks of
costumers coming from the cosplay community.   At conventions
that cater to that demographic, the emphasis is more about wearing their
“wow” costumes in the halls for maximum
effect.     Often, the costume contests are seemingly
more about getting all their fans in one room to cheer them on, rather
than a “masquerade”.   This environment was pretty
much the case in Toronto.   Don’t get me wrong – it was great
having all those new people.   And I applauded efforts to try
to impress our “con culture upon all those new folks
“.
I recognize that we must reach out to these costumers for the sake of
getting new blood, but is there a risk of making too much of an
accommodation?   I remember one person on
Cosplay.com (a forum that, at least
USED to be, a place CC concoms should be paying attention to) said
“I spent a lot of time on my one costume and I want to wear it as
much as I can”.   So, they wore it pretty much
everywhere.   They were not the only ones.   Now, in
some ways, I can’t blame them for thinking that way.   But,
stay with me here.
Any “wow” factor has been lost by the time they get on
stage.   Chances are, the judges will have seen them at some
point, beforehand.   This makes the costume less
“fresh”.   It’s also not as much fun for the judges
because they’ve seen it already – part of the fun for them is the
surprise factor.
I suspect this year’s CC will feel more “old school”, but I
wonder what will happen at CC34 and subsequently, at 35?
Are the days of saving one’s competition costume for the stage
fading?
Should there be more of an effort to encourage people not to wear
their competition costume in the halls before the masquerade?
In my opinion, you have a better masquerade without a
“preview”.
Discuss!

International Costumers’ Guild Archivist


http://www.costume.org/gallery2/main.php

“Those Who Fail to Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly –
Why They Are Simply Doomed.”

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C. Y. 4971

Andromeda

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2761 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 4/19/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Stace

 

 

Very good points. You are the MD. You make the rules. As long as people know way ahead of time, they can’t really complain. And they need to know that we may do things a little differently at CC.

 

CC32 had the FAQ I had written up, which gently encourage people to “save it for the stage”, but when questioned on Cosplay.com (re: “I worked hard on this, etc.), a response was not to discourage anyone. I may have disagreed with that policy, but that was the prerogative of the staff to do so.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 11:40 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes

Excellent topic.

As the director for SF&F for 34, I want SO BADLY to put in a rule that you can’t wear your competition costume in the hall prior to Saturday. I want to. I haven’t yet because I don’t know what our members will want. What I’m unsure about is whether it’s enough to simply encourage people to save the surprise for the stage, to be genial and optimistic and phrase it was “well we’re really like to see…but in the end it’s your choice,” or if the only way to get people into the habit is to make it an explicit rule.

CC32 was a good example of exactly why it’s a good idea to save your competition piece for the competition. The masquerade was way over-booked. It went on way too long. But what really made it a chore to sit through was the fact that we had seen 80% of these costumes in the halls all day – if not for two days! And when they came to stage, they didn’t bring us anything new to see – they didn’t do more than a circle-walk-on.

 

One of the bad habits the younger generation is picking up is the idea that if you’re wearing a costume, no matter how simple, you should enter it in competition. On the one hand, we do like to encourage novices to take a brave step onto stage, but on the other hand, when you have 50 slots for your masquerade and 40 of them are taken up by novices who are entering solo with a character they can’t even think up a performance for, merely because they have a costume, it weighs down the quality of the masquerade. It’s a catch-22 – you don’t want to discourage novices, but at the same time, a director has to consider the quality of the show and the value for the audience. If you’re going to get a hundred feedback forms post-con and most of them tell you the masquerade sucked because all the entries were boring and lame…well, as a director, you can’t improve the show with that kind of feedback. You’re at the mercy of who enters with what. So it really falls to the community as a whole to develop different habits, so that you can be both encouraging AND put on a great show.

What bugs me most is that wearing competition costumes in the hall actually does prejudice or fatigue the judges, and people don’t even think about this. They’re more focused on their own gratification rather than the whole concept of why the contest exists and what they’re doing in it. They don’t realize that the judges are not nuns sequestered away for the weekend, they’re congoers too and they’re in the halls enjoying themselves while subconsciously evaluating costumes. So by the time that same costume appears before the judging table, the judge may have already made up their mind. Or they’re so plain tired of seeing the costume that they don’t care. It’s unfortunate, but it’s human nature, and it’s something you can’t steel your mind against. If you can’t prevent the judges from THINKING about the costumes, you can at least prevent them from SEEING the costumes by forbidding the wearing.

Maybe it also comes down to encouraging people with “yes, I know you worked hard and want to wear it a lot. Wear it AFTER the show. Wear it Sunday and Monday. Wear it at the NEXT con you’re going to, when it’s no longer in competition and you can enjoy it.” But mostly it’s about developing the habit. I don’t think the days of the surprise on stage are over, and I personally want to see this particular habit stay relevant. I just don’t know, outside of long-windedly blathering on cosplay forums/facebook to try to get it through thick heads (like I do) HOW to cultivate the habit. HOW to get people to give the surprise a try.

At least people who are working so hard on a build that it isn’t finished until the day of the competition automatically save their costume for the stage. It’s probably not a preferable method but it works. 😉

Stace

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2762 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 4/19/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Kevin and

 

 

I think both Kevin’s suggestion and this one are pretty good.   Not direct “you can’t wear it”, but makes the point.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 1:03 PM
To: Betsy D
Subject: RE: [runacc] Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes

Betsy, I agree wholeheartedly!  And I agree that you must continue to repeat yourself on their websites.

However, I’m a little sneaky – as a person “my age” is entitled to be.  I would be very generous with hall costume awards.  VERY generous.  Then put in the rule that costumes that have won hall costume awards will be in the masquerade as “exhibition only.  Not in competition.”  It won’t shorten the parade any, but might have some impact on the costumers, and will surely help the judges.

Elaine Mami
who is urging everyone to vote for CC36 in San Diego!

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2763 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 4/19/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes

 

 

’50s is what we understand, and from some supporting fan docs on line I’ve found.

 

 

Bruce

 

Archivist

International Costumers Guild

International Costumers Gallery: http://www.costume.org/gallery2/main.php

ICG YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/ICGArchives/feed

Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-International-Costumers-Gallery/237722405911

 

 

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 5:55 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes

I do not know when things changed from a simple contest at the dance. There’s plenty of evidence that, through most of the 50’s, masquerades were still a simple affair, and the pros participated. There’s also evidence by the late 60’s of large, complicated stage costumes. John and Bjo Trimble world be the people to ask, they were there, in the middle of it. June Moffatt would also be a primary source.

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2764 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 4/19/2015
Subject: Re: Access to this list – bid groups

 

 

Not sure how you’d do that.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 8:22 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Access to this list – bid groups

Maybe our culture needs to take steps to encompass theirs?

Byron

 

On Apr 17, 2015, at 8:35 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

True enough, but to really get the manpower, you’re frequently drawing from whole chapters.   Of course, that’s not been the trend more recently.   Yet, other groups need to make sure they make an effort to become part of and understand our community/culture.  Otherwise, we run into the problem of concoms who think running a CC is interchangeable with any other con they’ve staffed.   No – no, it’s not.

 

You might recall we had a bid from Eau Claire a few years back.   (Practically) no one knew who they were and they did not win the bid, not surprisingly.

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2765 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 4/19/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Aurora

 

 

There were reasons for the line by the GR, which I believe I mentioned in the review some time back. I’m not referring to those people. I’m talking about costumes I saw on Friday, and Saturday morning then showing up on stage. They weren’t on their way anywhere. They were just hanging out in the halls, going through the dealers room, going to panels.

 

Re: the judges, you’re talking about an ideal situation. Often times, the judges have to be substituted due to prior commitments, etc. It can be a real mixed bag. I’m also thinking about this from an entertainment standpoint. If we want to promote the masquerade(s) as being a cut above the rest, there needs to be something special about them, not just “more of the same”. If this trend continues (I first noticed it at CC27), then that’s what we’re going to get. In which case, that calls into question whether there’s a point to a formal competition. That’s sort of another side discussion we could go into, but we could get too easily sidetracked.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 8:46 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes

Although I understand the sentiment behind the rule, I just can’t get behind it because I see too much area for confusion.  For example, at CC 32 there was quite a line for the Green Room and lots of people came early and stood in the hall.  It was, in my opinion, early enough that a judge may not have realized in the elevator that it was time.  There’s also the question of people wanting to wear their costume to rehearsal and getting there.  I know most of us carry or wear part of the costume, but there are some costumes and/or presentations where it may be important, but judges may not realize in the elevator at 11:00 am that they should look the other way.  Imo it’s better to get judges who can work to put that aside and judge the workmanship based on the information given and the presentation based on what was onstage.  Nigh-impossible, I agree, but we already trust our judges with not remembering other Masquerades where they saw a similar costume or not judging a costumer’s past work when considering this current contest, and I feel this is no different.

~Aurora

On Friday, April 17, 2015, Byron Connell byronpconnell@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I’d like to use a few electrons to look at how we got here.  Kevin and Andy really are the historians of costuming, however, and I hope they’ll chime in.

In the beginning there were hall costumes.  There were no competition costumes because there were no competitions.  In 1939, Forry Ackerman and Morojo worse costumes Morojo made to the very first World Science Fiction Convention (NYCon 1).  To the best of my knowledge, no one else did so.  Over time, as more fen began to wear them (e.g., E.E. “Doc” Smith, who liked to dress as his Lensman character, Kimball Kinnison), concoms began to organize events at which they could show them off.  These were very much masquerade parties, not stage shows.  As time went on, opportunities were given for persons in costume to step up to a microphone and talk about their costume.

The popularity of costume-wearing at SF cons became so great that, by the time the masquerade party had morphed into a stage show, entries frequently exceed 100 in number and the “Masquerade” could run for hours.  To reduce the size of masquerades, MDs began to use a rule that no costume seen in the hall before the masquerade could be entered.  This actually was very effective in cutting the number of masquerade entries down to a reasonable size (e.g., 50).  The first version of the ICG’s masquerade guidelines included the suggestion that such a commonly found rule be included.  That version was adopted by ballots counted at the 1992 ICG annual meeting (at CC 10).  It worked.

Costume-Con is a child of SF conventions.  Its structure is very similar.  Like SF cons, we have programming, social events, a dealers’ room, and competitions.  The costume exhibit essentially is a replacement for the SF con art show.  Similar to worldcons, we bid years in advance for the right to hold a CC and the current members vote on the bid(s).  While we don’t have the equivalent of the Hugo awards, the multiple competitions in a sense fill that niche.  We give tacit recognition to local costuming clubs, especially ICG chapters, much as local SF clubs participate in the worldcon (especially if they hold their own local SF conventions).  We’ve even had a Guest of Honor on occasion (e.g., CC 33).

Since the time we included a “no hall costumes in the masquerade” guideline in the ICG Guidelines in 1992, the wearing of hall costumes declined in popularity at SF cons, though not so much at CCs.  Masquerades also had gotten smaller.  That, I believe, was the principal reason that the current ICG Fairness Guidelines dropped that provision when they were adopted in 2006. It was no longer needed.  It had become common for masquerades at local and regional sf cons, and even at worldcons, to number fewer than 25.  In 2009, for example, the Anticipation masquerade (Montreal) had 30 entries; in 2011, the Chicon 7 masquerade had 27.  Costume-Cons followed a similar trend to smaller masquerades.  The CC 11 SFF masquerade had 43 entries.  The CC 29 SFF masquerade had 32; the CC 31 SFF masquerade had 31.

At CC 32, the SFF masquerade had 79 entries, 2 1/2 times the number the year before.  This was not just because of cosplayers attracted to the first CC in Ontario since CC 13, since even the Historical, which is lucky to have 20 entries, had 31.  CC 32 also set a new record for memberships.  At this point, I have absolutely no idea how much pent up costuming energy there is for CC 33.  Ther has never been a CC in the South and few southern SF cons have masquerades, so we may get a lot of members and entries.  The same may be true for 34, in Madison Wisconsin, although there have been mid-western CCs.  It may not be true for 35 in Mississauga, only three years after 32 in Toronto.

So, should you once again exclude hall costumes from the masquerade?  If you want to, go ahead; the MD’s word is law.  If you believe a CC (or any other con with a masquerade) is likely to have a very large number of members both desiring to show hall costumes and to enter the masquerade, you may want to do so in order to reduce the number of entries.  It worked in the past; it may do so again.  You have other options, however, such as restricting the availability of some awards.

“Are the days of saving one’s competition costume for the stage fading?”  Those days are relatively recent — only about 20 years old.  They don’t represent the long-term trend.  Whether that’s good or bad is up to you.  As one experienced performance judge, I’m not much concerned about the “wow” factor being reduced by having seen the costume in the halls.  I generally don’t remember that I’ve seen the costume in the halls and, anyway, I’m also looking at it under optimum lighting and as presented to the audience with the intended soundtrack.  Those factors all are missing in the halls.  We may want to ask other judges for their views on this point.

Byron the Boring

On Apr 16, 2015, at 10:03 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

This oughtta stir some debate:   🙂

New subject:

More of our CC memberships are being filled with the ranks of costumers coming from the cosplay community.   At conventions that cater to that demographic, the emphasis is more about wearing their “wow” costumes in the halls for maximum effect.     Often, the costume contests are seemingly more about getting all their fans in one room to cheer them on, rather than a “masquerade”.   This environment was pretty much the case in Toronto.   Don’t get me wrong – it was great having all those new people.   And I applauded efforts to try to impress our “con culture upon all those new folks “.

I recognize that we must reach out to these costumers for the sake of getting new blood, but is there a risk of making too much of an accommodation?   I remember one person on Cosplay.com (a forum that, at least USED to be, a place CC concoms should be paying attention to) said “I spent a lot of time on my one costume and I want to wear it as much as I can”.   So, they wore it pretty much everywhere.   They were not the only ones.   Now, in some ways, I can’t blame them for thinking that way.   But, stay with me here.

Any “wow” factor has been lost by the time they get on stage.   Chances are, the judges will have seen them at some point, beforehand.   This makes the costume less “fresh”.   It’s also not as much fun for the judges because they’ve seen it already – part of the fun for them is the surprise factor.

I suspect this year’s CC will feel more “old school”, but I wonder what will happen at CC34 and subsequently, at 35?

Are the days of saving one’s competition costume for the stage fading?

Should there be more of an effort to encourage people not to wear their competition costume in the halls before the masquerade?

In my opinion, you have a better masquerade without a “preview”.

Discuss!

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2766 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 4/19/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn

 

 

I can certainly understand the reasoning – but this (CC) is not a huge con, normally.   CC32 was an aberration.   Even CC26 was somewhat of an aberration, because there hadn’t been a West Coast con in so long, and Kevin and Andy worked their butts off to promote it.

 

I’m wondering if we need to do some education about the differences between “hall costumes” and “competition costumes”?

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 11:09 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [runacc] Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes

“Are the days of saving one’s competition costume for the stage fading?”

 

I do not think so.

 

I think, in part, the focus on being seen as impressive in the halls it two fold.

 

1) And most notably, the big cons like some of the one here have 5 thousand, twenty thousand, even a hundred thousand attendees. The masquerade may be limited to only twenty or fourty or in extreme cases a hundred

masquerade entries. There is always a scrum for the limited slots in the masquerade, (even at a show such as Anime North where we have a Masquerade, Skit, and a specific Workmanship competition), and the likelihood of you GETTING to show your impressive, stageworthy costume on stage is low. Quite frankly  it’s a crap shoot. 

 

2) Photography. In the old days, the best way of making sure you’d have a nice picture of your really impressive

costume was to enter the masquerade and get a copy of the official photography photo. Now in the advent of digital photography, can just as likely get a nice photo with an accomplished fan photographer elsewhere in the convention without participating in the masquerade.

 

I think therefore some people have become accustomed to wearing the “impressive things” in the halls.


Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada

 


 

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 21:19:42 -0400
Subject: Re: [runacc] Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes

I’d like to use a few electrons to look at how we got here.  Kevin and Andy really are the historians of costuming, however, and I hope they’ll chime in.

 

In the beginning there were hall costumes.  There were no competition costumes because there were no competitions.  In 1939, Forry Ackerman and Morojo worse costumes Morojo made to the very first World Science Fiction Convention (NYCon 1).  To the best of my knowledge, no one else did so.  Over time, as more fen began to wear them (e.g., E.E. “Doc” Smith, who liked to dress as his Lensman character, Kimball Kinnison), concoms began to organize events at which they could show them off.  These were very much masquerade parties, not stage shows.  As time went on, opportunities were given for persons in costume to step up to a microphone and talk about their costume.

 

The popularity of costume-wearing at SF cons became so great that, by the time the masquerade party had morphed into a stage show, entries frequently exceed 100 in number and the “Masquerade” could run for hours.  To reduce the size of masquerades, MDs began to use a rule that no costume seen in the hall before the masquerade could be entered.  This actually was very effective in cutting the number of masquerade entries down to a reasonable size (e.g., 50).  The first version of the ICG’s masquerade guidelines included the suggestion that such a commonly found rule be included.  That version was adopted by ballots counted at the 1992 ICG annual meeting (at CC 10).  It worked.

 

Costume-Con is a child of SF conventions.  Its structure is very similar.  Like SF cons, we have programming, social events, a dealers’ room, and competitions.  The costume exhibit essentially is a replacement for the SF con art show.  Similar to worldcons, we bid years in advance for the right to hold a CC and the current members vote on the bid(s).  While we don’t have the equivalent of the Hugo awards, the multiple competitions in a sense fill that niche.  We give tacit recognition to local costuming clubs, especially ICG chapters, much as local SF clubs participate in the worldcon (especially if they hold their own local SF conventions).  We’ve even had a Guest of Honor on occasion (e.g., CC 33).

 

Since the time we included a “no hall costumes in the masquerade” guideline in the ICG Guidelines in 1992, the wearing of hall costumes declined in popularity at SF cons, though not so much at CCs.  Masquerades also had gotten smaller.  That, I believe, was the principal reason that the current ICG Fairness Guidelines dropped that provision when they were adopted in 2006. It was no longer needed.  It had become common for masquerades at local and regional sf cons, and even at worldcons, to number fewer than 25.  In 2009, for example, the Anticipation masquerade (Montreal) had 30 entries; in 2011, the Chicon 7 masquerade had 27.  Costume-Cons followed a similar trend to smaller masquerades.  The CC 11 SFF masquerade had 43 entries.  The CC 29 SFF masquerade had 32; the CC 31 SFF masquerade had 31.

 

At CC 32, the SFF masquerade had 79 entries, 2 1/2 times the number the year before.  This was not just because of cosplayers attracted to the first CC in Ontario since CC 13, since even the Historical, which is lucky to have 20 entries, had 31.  CC 32 also set a new record for memberships.  At this point, I have absolutely no idea how much pent up costuming energy there is for CC 33.  Ther has never been a CC in the South and few southern SF cons have masquerades, so we may get a lot of members and entries.  The same may be true for 34, in Madison Wisconsin, although there have been mid-western CCs.  It may not be true for 35 in Mississauga, only three years after 32 in Toronto.

 

So, should you once again exclude hall costumes from the masquerade?  If you want to, go ahead; the MD’s word is law.  If you believe a CC (or any other con with a masquerade) is likely to have a very large number of members both desiring to show hall costumes and to enter the masquerade, you may want to do so in order to reduce the number of entries.  It worked in the past; it may do so again.  You have other options, however, such as restricting the availability of some awards.

 

“Are the days of saving one’s competition costume for the stage fading?”  Those days are relatively recent — only about 20 years old.  They don’t represent the long-term trend.  Whether that’s good or bad is up to you.  As one experienced performance judge, I’m not much concerned about the “wow” factor being reduced by having seen the costume in the halls.  I generally don’t remember that I’ve seen the costume in the halls and, anyway, I’m also looking at it under optimum lighting and as presented to the audience with the intended soundtrack.  Those factors all are missing in the halls.  We may want to ask other judges for their views on this point.

 

Byron the Boring

        

          

On Apr 16, 2015, at 10:03 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

 

This oughtta stir some debate:   🙂

 

New subject:

 

 

More of our CC memberships are being filled with the ranks of costumers coming from the cosplay community.   At conventions that cater to that demographic, the emphasis is more about wearing their “wow” costumes in the halls for maximum effect.     Often, the costume contests are seemingly more about getting all their fans in one room to cheer them on, rather than a “masquerade”.   This environment was pretty much the case in Toronto.   Don’t get me wrong – it was great having all those new people.   And I applauded efforts to try to impress our “con culture upon all those new folks “.

 

I recognize that we must reach out to these costumers for the sake of getting new blood, but is there a risk of making too much of an accommodation?   I remember one person on Cosplay.com (a forum that, at least USED to be, a place CC concoms should be paying attention to) said “I spent a lot of time on my one costume and I want to wear it as much as I can”.   So, they wore it pretty much everywhere.   They were not the only ones.   Now, in some ways, I can’t blame them for thinking that way.   But, stay with me here.

 

Any “wow” factor has been lost by the time they get on stage.   Chances are, the judges will have seen them at some point, beforehand.   This makes the costume less “fresh”.   It’s also not as much fun for the judges because they’ve seen it already – part of the fun for them is the surprise factor.    

 

I suspect this year’s CC will feel more “old school”, but I wonder what will happen at CC34 and subsequently, at 35?

 

Are the days of saving one’s competition costume for the stage fading?

 

Should there be more of an effort to encourage people not to wear their competition costume in the halls before the masquerade?

In my opinion, you have a better masquerade without a “preview”.

 

 

 

Discuss!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2767 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 4/19/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes- Stace again

 

 

You’re the MD. And the CC34 concom make the policies. Every con is different. It’s up to y’all to educate your membership by making those policies clear that say “This is the way we do things at this convention”. You don’t want to base policies on pleasing a minority.

Most people will recognize that this is a different playground with different rules. The ones who object are the ones used to getting their way. “That’s not how they do it at Con X”. That is correct.

 

I do see a certain amount of history being repeated, but as Sandy pointed out, back then, people were being recruited to go on stage, to some extent. Unless the concom just totally fails doing their job promoting, that’s not an issue with CC.

 

With Geek.Kon, you guys have already been laying down the framework for what attendees can expect.

 

I’ll betcha if you use both Kevin and Elaine’s suggestions, this will minimize the issue. Chatting the topic up in promotions might help, too.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 12:42 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [runacc] Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes

Elaine, Kevin….BRILLIANT. I will consider making the changes and running past the concomm at our next meeting. Muahahaha.

Dawn does have a point – at much larger cons, there are different habits and cultures cultivated by the sheer size and the number of opportunities for presenting a costume. Dragon*Con has ALWAYS been about showing your most spectacular costumes in the hall, not the masquerade, because the masquerade (at least in the early 2000s) had an awful reputation for not being about the quality of construction at all. Plus, every single fandom track has its own costume contest, held at random points during the day and not involving performance at all. To compete in the Star Wars costume contest you just showed up at the 2pm time slot and let the celebrities ogle you from their chairs. It’s always been “the thing to do” to spend all year building your most amazing costume and then just hang around in the Hyatt lobby to let the photographer circles cluster around you. I don’t know if that’s changed much in the last 10 years, but there you go.

I am fascinated by Byron’s history information, mainly because it might be a case of history repeating itself. Masquerades at mid-sized cons are getting swelled to bursting again, maybe it IS time to re-instill the actual rule to cut down on the number of entries. I don’t think 30-some entries is a bad number for a CC, 40 would be beautiful but I’ll take 30’s. It’s a matter of balancing judging stress, green room time, masquerade length, and judging deliberation against letting everyone who wants to compete be able to compete. Too many entries and your whole schedule and system gets clogged. But make the rules too strict and you scare off the wide-eyed novices and give them the impression that we are a bunch of elitists who don’t want them playing in our pool.

CC34 is definitely trying to court the young crowd, we’ve got a lot of newish anime cons in our area and the midwest is packed full of all kinds of genre cons of various sizes. We don’t know what’s going to show up but at the same time I think we want to balance traditional expectations against what the young folks are “used to.” What they’re used to isn’t always good. We’ve walked out on masquerades at some of these tiny WI cons because they’re just awful. Emcees on the stage making fun of the competitors and interfering in their performances, judges who have no sewing or costume-building skills at all but were picked because they’re friends with the director, rules allowing people to sing entire 5-minute-long songs with a hand mike (badly), limits on the number of walk-ons allowed so that they can let skits have 5 minutes or more….you name it. Every con that starts up runs a masquerade that re-invents the wheel without borrowing from other more successful masquerades, so we’ve seen hilarious and wrong taken to all new levels. So, there’s a lot we’re just NOT going to encourage, no matter how much the youngsters complain that it’s “not what they’re used to.” Tough, you’re not getting a five minute skit to sing Broadway tunes.

Stace

—In runacc@yahoogroups.com, <ecmami@…> wrote :

However, I’m a little sneaky – as a person “my age” is entitled to be.  I would be very generous with hall costume awards.  VERY generous.  Then put in the rule that costumes that have won hall costume awards will be in the masquerade as “exhibition only.  Not in competition.”  It won’t shorten the parade any, but might have some impact on the costumers, and will surely help the judges.

Elaine Mami

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2768 From: ECM Date: 4/19/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn

 

Bruce, that is definitely a panel topic!  Right up there with “how to present your costume” and “first CC info” panels.

Elaine


 

 

I can certainly understand the reasoning – but this (CC) is not a huge con, normally.   CC32 was an aberration.   Even CC26 was somewhat of an aberration, because there hadn’t been a West Coast con in so long, and Kevin and Andy worked their butts off to promote it.

 

I’m wondering if we need to do some education about the differences between “hall costumes” and “competition costumes”?

 

Bruce

 

“Are the days of saving one’s competition costume for the stage fading?”

I do not think so.

I think, in part, the focus on being seen as impressive in the halls it two fold.

1) And most notably, the big cons like some of the one here have 5 thousand, twenty thousand, even a hundred thousand attendees. The masquerade may be limited to only twenty or fourty or in extreme cases a hundred

masquerade entries. There is always a scrum for the limited slots in the masquerade, (even at a show such as Anime North where we have a Masquerade, Skit, and a specific Workmanship competition), and the likelihood of you GETTING to show your impressive, stageworthy costume on stage is low. Quite frankly  it’s a crap shoot.

2) Photography. In the old days, the best way of making sure you’d have a nice picture of your really impressive

costume was to enter the masquerade and get a copy of the official photography photo. Now in the advent of digital photography, can just as likely get a nice photo with an accomplished fan photographer elsewhere in the convention without participating in the masquerade.

I think therefore some people have become accustomed to wearing the “impressive things” in the halls.

Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada

 


 

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 21:19:42 -0400
Subject: Re: [runacc] Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes

I’d like to use a few electrons to look at how we got here.  Kevin and Andy really are the historians of costuming, however, and I hope they’ll chime in.

In the beginning there were hall costumes.  There were no competition costumes because there were no competitions.  In 1939, Forry Ackerman and Morojo worse costumes Morojo made to the very first World Science Fiction Convention (NYCon 1).  To the best of my knowledge, no one else did so.  Over time, as more fen began to wear them (e.g., E.E. “Doc” Smith, who liked to dress as his Lensman character, Kimball Kinnison), concoms began to organize events at which they could show them off.  These were very much masquerade parties, not stage shows.  As time went on, opportunities were given for persons in costume to step up to a microphone and talk about their costume.

The popularity of costume-wearing at SF cons became so great that, by the time the masquerade party had morphed into a stage show, entries frequently exceed 100 in number and the “Masquerade” could run for hours.  To reduce the size of masquerades, MDs began to use a rule that no costume seen in the hall before the masquerade could be entered.  This actually was very effective in cutting the number of masquerade entries down to a reasonable size (e.g., 50).  The first version of the ICG’s masquerade guidelines included the suggestion that such a commonly found rule be included.  That version was adopted by ballots counted at the 1992 ICG annual meeting (at CC 10).  It worked.

Costume-Con is a child of SF conventions.  Its structure is very similar.  Like SF cons, we have programming, social events, a dealers’ room, and competitions.  The costume exhibit essentially is a replacement for the SF con art show.  Similar to worldcons, we bid years in advance for the right to hold a CC and the current members vote on the bid(s).  While we don’t have the equivalent of the Hugo awards, the multiple competitions in a sense fill that niche.  We give tacit recognition to local costuming clubs, especially ICG chapters, much as local SF clubs participate in the worldcon (especially if they hold their own local SF conventions).  We’ve even had a Guest of Honor on occasion (e.g., CC 33).

Since the time we included a “no hall costumes in the masquerade” guideline in the ICG Guidelines in 1992, the wearing of hall costumes declined in popularity at SF cons, though not so much at CCs.  Masquerades also had gotten smaller.  That, I believe, was the principal reason that the current ICG Fairness Guidelines dropped that provision when they were adopted in 2006. It was no longer needed.  It had become common for masquerades at local and regional sf cons, and even at worldcons, to number fewer than 25.  In 2009, for example, the Anticipation masquerade (Montreal) had 30 entries; in 2011, the Chicon 7 masquerade had 27.  Costume-Cons followed a similar trend to smaller masquerades.  The CC 11 SFF masquerade had 43 entries.  The CC 29 SFF masquerade had 32; the CC 31 SFF masquerade had 31.

At CC 32, the SFF masquerade had 79 entries, 2 1/2 times the number the year before.  This was not just because of cosplayers attracted to the first CC in Ontario since CC 13, since even the Historical, which is lucky to have 20 entries, had 31.  CC 32 also set a new record for memberships.  At this point, I have absolutely no idea how much pent up costuming energy there is for CC 33.  Ther has never been a CC in the South and few southern SF cons have masquerades, so we may get a lot of members and entries.  The same may be true for 34, in Madison Wisconsin, although there have been mid-western CCs.  It may not be true for 35 in Mississauga, only three years after 32 in Toronto.

So, should you once again exclude hall costumes from the masquerade?  If you want to, go ahead; the MD’s word is law.  If you believe a CC (or any other con with a masquerade) is likely to have a very large number of members both desiring to show hall costumes and to enter the masquerade, you may want to do so in order to reduce the number of entries.  It worked in the past; it may do so again.  You have other options, however, such as restricting the availability of some awards.

“Are the days of saving one’s competition costume for the stage fading?”  Those days are relatively recent — only about 20 years old.  They don’t represent the long-term trend.  Whether that’s good or bad is up to you.  As one experienced performance judge, I’m not much concerned about the “wow” factor being reduced by having seen the costume in the halls.  I generally don’t remember that I’ve seen the costume in the halls and, anyway, I’m also looking at it under optimum lighting and as presented to the audience with the intended soundtrack.  Those factors all are missing in the halls.  We may want to ask other judges for their views on this point.

Byron the Boring

On Apr 16, 2015, at 10:03 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

This oughtta stir some debate:   🙂

 

New subject:

 

 

More of our CC memberships are being filled with the ranks of costumers coming from the cosplay community.   At conventions that cater to that demographic, the emphasis is more about wearing their “wow” costumes in the halls for maximum effect.     Often, the costume contests are seemingly more about getting all their fans in one room to cheer them on, rather than a “masquerade”.   This environment was pretty much the case in Toronto.   Don’t get me wrong – it was great having all those new people.   And I applauded efforts to try to impress our “con culture upon all those new folks “.

 

I recognize that we must reach out to these costumers for the sake of getting new blood, but is there a risk of making too much of an accommodation?   I remember one person on Cosplay.com (a forum that, at least USED to be, a place CC concoms should be paying attention to) said “I spent a lot of time on my one costume and I want to wear it as much as I can”.   So, they wore it pretty much everywhere.   They were not the only ones.   Now, in some ways, I can’t blame them for thinking that way.   But, stay with me here.

 

Any “wow” factor has been lost by the time they get on stage.   Chances are, the judges will have seen them at some point, beforehand.   This makes the costume less “fresh”.   It’s also not as much fun for the judges because they’ve seen it already – part of the fun for them is the surprise factor.    

 

I suspect this year’s CC will feel more “old school”, but I wonder what will happen at CC34 and subsequently, at 35?

 

Are the days of saving one’s competition costume for the stage fading?

 

Should there be more of an effort to encourage people not to wear their competition costume in the halls before the masquerade?

In my opinion, you have a better masquerade without a “preview”.

 

 

 

Discuss!

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2769 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 4/19/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Stace

I think in the Stage vs. Hall question we need to explain a very important thing:

Masquerade is a balance. It has to be a fair competition for the entrants. It also has to be a good show for the audience.

Saving your work for the audience makes for a better show, and increases the impact on the judges.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2770 From: Kaijugal . Date: 4/19/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn

 

We have here in the past, especially leading up to Worldcon being in Toronto and again in Montreal.

(I was annoyed that at Torcon when I directly questioned people wearing their competition costumes around in the halls all day before the Masquerade  was told by others, “Not to worry about it/nobody cares.” as I had always been under the impression that it was simply not done at that convention. >_>)

You’re not going to change an entire culture that has big costumes in the halls for reasons I already mentioned,
HOWEVER,

we can most certainly indicate that at Costume-Con the  EXPECTATION is that your Masquerade costume is a surprise,
and encourage that.

Make it something special, like when you dress up for church.

Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2015 11:17:54 -0500
Subject: RE: [runacc] Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn

 

 

I can certainly understand the reasoning – but this (CC) is not a huge con, normally.   CC32 was an aberration.   Even CC26 was somewhat of an aberration, because there hadn’t been a West Coast con in so long, and Kevin and Andy worked their butts off to promote it.

 

I’m wondering if we need to do some education about the differences between “hall costumes” and “competition costumes”?

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 11:09 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [runacc] Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes

“Are the days of saving one’s competition costume for the stage fading?”

I do not think so.

I think, in part, the focus on being seen as impressive in the halls it two fold.

1) And most notably, the big cons like some of the one here have 5 thousand, twenty thousand, even a hundred thousand attendees. The masquerade may be limited to only twenty or fourty or in extreme cases a hundred

masquerade entries. There is always a scrum for the limited slots in the masquerade, (even at a show such as Anime North where we have a Masquerade, Skit, and a specific Workmanship competition), and the likelihood of you GETTING to show your impressive, stageworthy costume on stage is low. Quite frankly  it’s a crap shoot.

2) Photography. In the old days, the best way of making sure you’d have a nice picture of your really impressive

costume was to enter the masquerade and get a copy of the official photography photo. Now in the advent of digital photography, can just as likely get a nice photo with an accomplished fan photographer elsewhere in the convention without participating in the masquerade.

I think therefore some people have become accustomed to wearing the “impressive things” in the halls.

Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada

 


 

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 21:19:42 -0400
Subject: Re: [runacc] Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes

I’d like to use a few electrons to look at how we got here.  Kevin and Andy really are the historians of costuming, however, and I hope they’ll chime in.

In the beginning there were hall costumes.  There were no competition costumes because there were no competitions.  In 1939, Forry Ackerman and Morojo worse costumes Morojo made to the very first World Science Fiction Convention (NYCon 1).  To the best of my knowledge, no one else did so.  Over time, as more fen began to wear them (e.g., E.E. “Doc” Smith, who liked to dress as his Lensman character, Kimball Kinnison), concoms began to organize events at which they could show them off.  These were very much masquerade parties, not stage shows.  As time went on, opportunities were given for persons in costume to step up to a microphone and talk about their costume.

The popularity of costume-wearing at SF cons became so great that, by the time the masquerade party had morphed into a stage show, entries frequently exceed 100 in number and the “Masquerade” could run for hours.  To reduce the size of masquerades, MDs began to use a rule that no costume seen in the hall before the masquerade could be entered.  This actually was very effective in cutting the number of masquerade entries down to a reasonable size (e.g., 50).  The first version of the ICG’s masquerade guidelines included the suggestion that such a commonly found rule be included.  That version was adopted by ballots counted at the 1992 ICG annual meeting (at CC 10).  It worked.

Costume-Con is a child of SF conventions.  Its structure is very similar.  Like SF cons, we have programming, social events, a dealers’ room, and competitions.  The costume exhibit essentially is a replacement for the SF con art show.  Similar to worldcons, we bid years in advance for the right to hold a CC and the current members vote on the bid(s).  While we don’t have the equivalent of the Hugo awards, the multiple competitions in a sense fill that niche.  We give tacit recognition to local costuming clubs, especially ICG chapters, much as local SF clubs participate in the worldcon (especially if they hold their own local SF conventions).  We’ve even had a Guest of Honor on occasion (e.g., CC 33).

Since the time we included a “no hall costumes in the masquerade” guideline in the ICG Guidelines in 1992, the wearing of hall costumes declined in popularity at SF cons, though not so much at CCs.  Masquerades also had gotten smaller.  That, I believe, was the principal reason that the current ICG Fairness Guidelines dropped that provision when they were adopted in 2006. It was no longer needed.  It had become common for masquerades at local and regional sf cons, and even at worldcons, to number fewer than 25.  In 2009, for example, the Anticipation masquerade (Montreal) had 30 entries; in 2011, the Chicon 7 masquerade had 27.  Costume-Cons followed a similar trend to smaller masquerades.  The CC 11 SFF masquerade had 43 entries.  The CC 29 SFF masquerade had 32; the CC 31 SFF masquerade had 31.

At CC 32, the SFF masquerade had 79 entries, 2 1/2 times the number the year before.  This was not just because of cosplayers attracted to the first CC in Ontario since CC 13, since even the Historical, which is lucky to have 20 entries, had 31.  CC 32 also set a new record for memberships.  At this point, I have absolutely no idea how much pent up costuming energy there is for CC 33.  Ther has never been a CC in the South and few southern SF cons have masquerades, so we may get a lot of members and entries.  The same may be true for 34, in Madison Wisconsin, although there have been mid-western CCs.  It may not be true for 35 in Mississauga, only three years after 32 in Toronto.

So, should you once again exclude hall costumes from the masquerade?  If you want to, go ahead; the MD’s word is law.  If you believe a CC (or any other con with a masquerade) is likely to have a very large number of members both desiring to show hall costumes and to enter the masquerade, you may want to do so in order to reduce the number of entries.  It worked in the past; it may do so again.  You have other options, however, such as restricting the availability of some awards.

“Are the days of saving one’s competition costume for the stage fading?”  Those days are relatively recent — only about 20 years old.  They don’t represent the long-term trend.  Whether that’s good or bad is up to you.  As one experienced performance judge, I’m not much concerned about the “wow” factor being reduced by having seen the costume in the halls.  I generally don’t remember that I’ve seen the costume in the halls and, anyway, I’m also looking at it under optimum lighting and as presented to the audience with the intended soundtrack.  Those factors all are missing in the halls.  We may want to ask other judges for their views on this point.

Byron the Boring

On Apr 16, 2015, at 10:03 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

This oughtta stir some debate:   🙂

 

New subject:

 

 

More of our CC memberships are being filled with the ranks of costumers coming from the cosplay community.   At conventions that cater to that demographic, the emphasis is more about wearing their “wow” costumes in the halls for maximum effect.     Often, the costume contests are seemingly more about getting all their fans in one room to cheer them on, rather than a “masquerade”.   This environment was pretty much the case in Toronto.   Don’t get me wrong – it was great having all those new people.   And I applauded efforts to try to impress our “con culture upon all those new folks “.

 

I recognize that we must reach out to these costumers for the sake of getting new blood, but is there a risk of making too much of an accommodation?   I remember one person on Cosplay.com (a forum that, at least USED to be, a place CC concoms should be paying attention to) said “I spent a lot of time on my one costume and I want to wear it as much as I can”.   So, they wore it pretty much everywhere.   They were not the only ones.   Now, in some ways, I can’t blame them for thinking that way.   But, stay with me here.

 

Any “wow” factor has been lost by the time they get on stage.   Chances are, the judges will have seen them at some point, beforehand.   This makes the costume less “fresh”.   It’s also not as much fun for the judges because they’ve seen it already – part of the fun for them is the surprise factor.    

 

I suspect this year’s CC will feel more “old school”, but I wonder what will happen at CC34 and subsequently, at 35?

 

Are the days of saving one’s competition costume for the stage fading?

 

Should there be more of an effort to encourage people not to wear their competition costume in the halls before the masquerade?

In my opinion, you have a better masquerade without a “preview”.

 

 

 

Discuss!

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2771 From: Kaijugal . Date: 4/19/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Stace

 

We say this over and over.

For CC32 we said it in every panel when we were talking about the masquerades and what it’s like.
That said, we  encouraged it but we weren’t dragons about it either, we had to strike a balance

between being strictly traditional and encouraging people to come and try Costume-Con.

Many people think our numbers were big merely because Anime North is big but I’ll tell you nothing is further from the truth. Maral and I had to one on one convince people to try Costume-Con. With so many better known conventions in the Montreal/Toronto corridor to choose from, people were reticent to gamble their money on this con. We worked hard to educate people but also to not scare them away.

I also left it to the Masquerade Directors to decide on and enforce the rules as they wished.

I think we’re lucky to have gotten so many new faces in the door, and they have transmitted their enthusiasm to other friends who didn’t attend, (which was part of the goal for the long term game plan of CC survival). We can work on cultural differences between con styles in consecutive years. I think it will be an easy transition for the most part. 🙂

Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2015 09:46:50 -0700
Subject: RE: [runacc] Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Stace

 

 

I think in the Stage vs. Hall question we need to explain a very important thing:

Masquerade is a balance. It has to be a fair competition for the entrants. It also has to be a good show for the audience.

Saving your work for the audience makes for a better show, and increases the impact on the judges.

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2772 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 4/19/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Stace (& A

 

 

Agreed! Spot on.

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 11:47 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [runacc] Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Stace

I think in the Stage vs. Hall question we need to explain a very important thing:

Masquerade is a balance. It has to be a fair competition for the entrants. It also has to be a good show for the audience.

Saving your work for the audience makes for a better show, and increases the impact on the judges.

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2773 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 4/19/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn

 

 

One can hope.   I think it will be an easier task here in the States to nudge folks – up there, you guys have all those other cons, so that would be the accepted “norm”.     If there’s one thing CC32 did, it’s having made a good first impression.   What will be interesting to see if what happens in Madison.  That will be the first test when maybe some of the Canadians might make the trip down.   There will definitely be a “something’s different” undercurrent – hopefully, they’ll be able to make the adaptation as long as policies are made clear.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 12:31 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [runacc] Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Stace

 

We say this over and over.

For CC32 we said it in every panel when we were talking about the masquerades and what it’s like.
That said, we  encouraged it but we weren’t dragons about it either, we had to strike a balance

between being strictly traditional and encouraging people to come and try Costume-Con.

Many people think our numbers were big merely because Anime North is big but I’ll tell you nothing is further from the truth. Maral and I had to one on one convince people to try Costume-Con. With so many better known conventions in the Montreal/Toronto corridor to choose from, people were reticent to gamble their money on this con. We worked hard to educate people but also to not scare them away.


I also left it to the Masquerade Directors to decide on and enforce the rules as they wished.

I think we’re lucky to have gotten so many new faces in the door, and they have transmitted their enthusiasm to other friends who didn’t attend, (which was part of the goal for the long term game plan of CC survival). We can work on cultural differences between con styles in consecutive years. I think it will be an easy transition for the most part. 🙂


Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada

 


 

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2015 09:46:50 -0700
Subject: RE: [runacc] Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Stace

 

I think in the Stage vs. Hall question we need to explain a very important thing:

Masquerade is a balance. It has to be a fair competition for the entrants. It also has to be a good show for the audience.

Saving your work for the audience makes for a better show, and increases the impact on the judges.

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2774 From: Kaijugal . Date: 4/19/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn

 

I think this is a false worry and not a Canadian specific thing. It’s a megacon mentality which as somebody
else pointed out encompasses things like Dragon*Con, Comicons, etc.
 

After all Maral and I, and Jacqui, and Penny, Barb, both Erics ,Cathy Leeson, Trixy, etc

and many other Canadians have always done it “the expected way”.
 
As for any others attending, we Canadians are an adaptable bunch. Emoji

Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2015 14:49:43 -0500
Subject: RE: [runacc] Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn

 

 

One can hope.   I think it will be an easier task here in the States to nudge folks – up there, you guys have all those other cons, so that would be the accepted “norm”.     If there’s one thing CC32 did, it’s having made a good first impression.   What will be interesting to see if what happens in Madison.  That will be the first test when maybe some of the Canadians might make the trip down.   There will definitely be a “something’s different” undercurrent – hopefully, they’ll be able to make the adaptation as long as policies are made clear.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 12:31 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [runacc] Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Stace

We say this over and over.

For CC32 we said it in every panel when we were talking about the masquerades and what it’s like.
That said, we  encouraged it but we weren’t dragons about it either, we had to strike a balance

between being strictly traditional and encouraging people to come and try Costume-Con.

Many people think our numbers were big merely because Anime North is big but I’ll tell you nothing is further from the truth. Maral and I had to one on one convince people to try Costume-Con. With so many better known conventions in the Montreal/Toronto corridor to choose from, people were reticent to gamble their money on this con. We worked hard to educate people but also to not scare them away.

I also left it to the Masquerade Directors to decide on and enforce the rules as they wished.

I think we’re lucky to have gotten so many new faces in the door, and they have transmitted their enthusiasm to other friends who didn’t attend, (which was part of the goal for the long term game plan of CC survival). We can work on cultural differences between con styles in consecutive years. I think it will be an easy transition for the most part. 🙂

Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada

 


 

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2015 09:46:50 -0700
Subject: RE: [runacc] Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Stace

I think in the Stage vs. Hall question we need to explain a very important thing:

Masquerade is a balance. It has to be a fair competition for the entrants. It also has to be a good show for the audience.

Saving your work for the audience makes for a better show, and increases the impact on the judges.

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2775 From: spiritof_76 Date: 4/20/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes
I spent the weekend at our local long run media convention. I knew this
topic was on the boards so I made some mental notes. I witnessed a
young woman in a white Katniss Everdeen dress wear it all day on Friday.
She wore it in the Capital Couture Fashion Show on Friday night. She
wore it all day on Saturday. Then, wore it in the costume contest on
Saturday night. I did not see her on Sunday. From the description of
the costume in the costume contest, it was not a spectacular feat of
costuming prowess with hundreds of hours of work to warrant showing it
off all weekend. It was a second hand dress with some “christmas
crafts” glued to it.

I have not attended the costume contest at this convention for several
years because a) I don’t want to stand in line for an hour to get a seat
to see things from the waist up, b) I’d rather not stand at the back of
the room for an hour and a half, although standing does provide a better
view than sitting and c) the majority of costumes in the costume contest
are worn in the halls before the contest, often all weekend. Costume
contestants can have pre-recorded music, but very few have it. Of the
few who have music even fewer make good use of it. There is no point to
sitting in a crowded room to watch a costume contest when you’ve seen
most of the costumes better in the halls, even at a distance, and they
do little more than parade around on stage.

Michael

 

Group: runacc Message: 2776 From: Byron Connell Date: 4/20/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Stace

 

I agree.

 

Byron

 

 

On Apr 19, 2015, at 12:46 PM, Andrew Trembley attrembl@bovil.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I think in the Stage vs. Hall question we need to explain a very important thing:

Masquerade is a balance. It has to be a fair competition for the entrants. It also has to be a good show for the audience.

Saving your work for the audience makes for a better show, and increases the impact on the judges.

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2777 From: Byron Connell Date: 4/20/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn

 

I just checked the Torcon 3 masquerade rules.  They did not bar hall costumes from competing.

 

Byron

 

 

On Apr 19, 2015, at 1:17 PM, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 


We have here in the past, especially leading up to Worldcon being in Toronto and again in Montreal. 

(I was annoyed that at Torcon when I directly questioned people wearing their competition costumes around in the halls all day before the Masquerade  was told by others, “Not to worry about it/nobody cares.” as I had always been under the impression that it was simply not done at that convention. >_>)

You’re not going to change an entire culture that has big costumes in the halls for reasons I already mentioned,
HOWEVER,
we can most certainly indicate that at Costume-Con the  EXPECTATION is that your Masquerade costume is a surprise,
and encourage that.


Make it something special, like when you dress up for church.



Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada




To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2015 11:17:54 -0500
Subject: RE: [runacc] Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn

 

 

I can certainly understand the reasoning – but this (CC) is not a huge con, normally.   CC32 was an aberration.   Even CC26 was somewhat of an aberration, because there hadn’t been a West Coast con in so long, and Kevin and Andy worked their butts off to promote it.

 

I’m wondering if we need to do some education about the differences between “hall costumes” and “competition costumes”?

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 11:09 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [runacc] Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes




“Are the days of saving one’s competition costume for the stage fading?”

 

I do not think so.

 

I think, in part, the focus on being seen as impressive in the halls it two fold.

 

1) And most notably, the big cons like some of the one here have 5 thousand, twenty thousand, even a hundred thousand attendees. The masquerade may be limited to only twenty or fourty or in extreme cases a hundred

masquerade entries. There is always a scrum for the limited slots in the masquerade, (even at a show such as Anime North where we have a Masquerade, Skit, and a specific Workmanship competition), and the likelihood of you GETTING to show your impressive, stageworthy costume on stage is low. Quite frankly  it’s a crap shoot. 

 

2) Photography. In the old days, the best way of making sure you’d have a nice picture of your really impressive

costume was to enter the masquerade and get a copy of the official photography photo. Now in the advent of digital photography, can just as likely get a nice photo with an accomplished fan photographer elsewhere in the convention without participating in the masquerade.

 

I think therefore some people have become accustomed to wearing the “impressive things” in the halls.


Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada


 


 

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 21:19:42 -0400
Subject: Re: [runacc] Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes

  

I’d like to use a few electrons to look at how we got here.  Kevin and Andy really are the historians of costuming, however, and I hope they’ll chime in.

 

In the beginning there were hall costumes.  There were no competition costumes because there were no competitions.  In 1939, Forry Ackerman and Morojo worse costumes Morojo made to the very first World Science Fiction Convention (NYCon 1).  To the best of my knowledge, no one else did so.  Over time, as more fen began to wear them (e.g., E.E. “Doc” Smith, who liked to dress as his Lensman character, Kimball Kinnison), concoms began to organize events at which they could show them off.  These were very much masquerade parties, not stage shows.  As time went on, opportunities were given for persons in costume to step up to a microphone and talk about their costume.

 

The popularity of costume-wearing at SF cons became so great that, by the time the masquerade party had morphed into a stage show, entries frequently exceed 100 in number and the “Masquerade” could run for hours.  To reduce the size of masquerades, MDs began to use a rule that no costume seen in the hall before the masquerade could be entered.  This actually was very effective in cutting the number of masquerade entries down to a reasonable size (e.g., 50).  The first version of the ICG’s masquerade guidelines included the suggestion that such a commonly found rule be included.  That version was adopted by ballots counted at the 1992 ICG annual meeting (at CC 10).  It worked.

 

Costume-Con is a child of SF conventions.  Its structure is very similar.  Like SF cons, we have programming, social events, a dealers’ room, and competitions.  The costume exhibit essentially is a replacement for the SF con art show.  Similar to worldcons, we bid years in advance for the right to hold a CC and the current members vote on the bid(s).  While we don’t have the equivalent of the Hugo awards, the multiple competitions in a sense fill that niche.  We give tacit recognition to local costuming clubs, especially ICG chapters, much as local SF clubs participate in the worldcon (especially if they hold their own local SF conventions).  We’ve even had a Guest of Honor on occasion (e.g., CC 33).

 

Since the time we included a “no hall costumes in the masquerade” guideline in the ICG Guidelines in 1992, the wearing of hall costumes declined in popularity at SF cons, though not so much at CCs.  Masquerades also had gotten smaller.  That, I believe, was the principal reason that the current ICG Fairness Guidelines dropped that provision when they were adopted in 2006. It was no longer needed.  It had become common for masquerades at local and regional sf cons, and even at worldcons, to number fewer than 25.  In 2009, for example, the Anticipation masquerade (Montreal) had 30 entries; in 2011, the Chicon 7 masquerade had 27.  Costume-Cons followed a similar trend to smaller masquerades.  The CC 11 SFF masquerade had 43 entries.  The CC 29 SFF masquerade had 32; the CC 31 SFF masquerade had 31.

 

At CC 32, the SFF masquerade had 79 entries, 2 1/2 times the number the year before.  This was not just because of cosplayers attracted to the first CC in Ontario since CC 13, since even the Historical, which is lucky to have 20 entries, had 31.  CC 32 also set a new record for memberships.  At this point, I have absolutely no idea how much pent up costuming energy there is for CC 33.  Ther has never been a CC in the South and few southern SF cons have masquerades, so we may get a lot of members and entries.  The same may be true for 34, in Madison Wisconsin, although there have been mid-western CCs.  It may not be true for 35 in Mississauga, only three years after 32 in Toronto.

 

So, should you once again exclude hall costumes from the masquerade?  If you want to, go ahead; the MD’s word is law.  If you believe a CC (or any other con with a masquerade) is likely to have a very large number of members both desiring to show hall costumes and to enter the masquerade, you may want to do so in order to reduce the number of entries.  It worked in the past; it may do so again.  You have other options, however, such as restricting the availability of some awards.

 

“Are the days of saving one’s competition costume for the stage fading?”  Those days are relatively recent — only about 20 years old.  They don’t represent the long-term trend.  Whether that’s good or bad is up to you.  As one experienced performance judge, I’m not much concerned about the “wow” factor being reduced by having seen the costume in the halls.  I generally don’t remember that I’ve seen the costume in the halls and, anyway, I’m also looking at it under optimum lighting and as presented to the audience with the intended soundtrack.  Those factors all are missing in the halls.  We may want to ask other judges for their views on this point.

 

Byron the Boring

        
          

On Apr 16, 2015, at 10:03 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
 

This oughtta stir some debate:   🙂

 

New subject:

 
 

More of our CC memberships are being filled with the ranks of costumers coming from the cosplay community.   At conventions that cater to that demographic, the emphasis is more about wearing their “wow” costumes in the halls for maximum effect.     Often, the costume contests are seemingly more about getting all their fans in one room to cheer them on, rather than a “masquerade”.   This environment was pretty much the case in Toronto.   Don’t get me wrong – it was great having all those new people.   And I applauded efforts to try to impress our “con culture upon all those new folks “.

 

I recognize that we must reach out to these costumers for the sake of getting new blood, but is there a risk of making too much of an accommodation?   I remember one person on Cosplay.com (a forum that, at least USED to be, a place CC concoms should be paying attention to) said “I spent a lot of time on my one costume and I want to wear it as much as I can”.   So, they wore it pretty much everywhere.   They were not the only ones.   Now, in some ways, I can’t blame them for thinking that way.   But, stay with me here.

 

Any “wow” factor has been lost by the time they get on stage.   Chances are, the judges will have seen them at some point, beforehand.   This makes the costume less “fresh”.   It’s also not as much fun for the judges because they’ve seen it already – part of the fun for them is the surprise factor.    

 

I suspect this year’s CC will feel more “old school”, but I wonder what will happen at CC34 and subsequently, at 35?

 

Are the days of saving one’s competition costume for the stage fading?

 

Should there be more of an effort to encourage people not to wear their competition costume in the halls before the masquerade?

In my opinion, you have a better masquerade without a “preview”.

 
 
 

Discuss!

 
 
 
 




 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2778 From: Kaijugal . Date: 4/20/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn

 

Thanks for the history on that Byron. 🙂

I had always grown up hearing Jacqui Ward talk about the great lengths she went to in keeping her costumes seceret, so in 2003 I was  under the impression that it was at all Worldcons and Costume-Cons.

I guess that’s the minefield when things are guidelines rather than rules,

some groups do things one way, others another, others again something in the middle.
When their are no absolutes it’s easy to get roasted in the fires of public opinion for making

unintentional faux pas.

Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 18:19:35 -0400
Subject: Re: [runacc] Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn

 

I just checked the Torcon 3 masquerade rules.  They did not bar hall costumes from competing.

Byron

 

 

On Apr 19, 2015, at 1:17 PM, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

We have here in the past, especially leading up to Worldcon being in Toronto and again in Montreal. 

(I was annoyed that at Torcon when I directly questioned people wearing their competition costumes around in the halls all day before the Masquerade  was told by others, “Not to worry about it/nobody cares.” as I had always been under the impression that it was simply not done at that convention. >_>)

You’re not going to change an entire culture that has big costumes in the halls for reasons I already mentioned,
HOWEVER,

we can most certainly indicate that at Costume-Con the  EXPECTATION is that your Masquerade costume is a surprise,
and encourage that.

Make it something special, like when you dress up for church.

Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2015 11:17:54 -0500
Subject: RE: [runacc] Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn

 

I can certainly understand the reasoning – but this (CC) is not a huge con, normally.   CC32 was an aberration.   Even CC26 was somewhat of an aberration, because there hadn’t been a West Coast con in so long, and Kevin and Andy worked their butts off to promote it.

 

I’m wondering if we need to do some education about the differences between “hall costumes” and “competition costumes”?

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 11:09 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [runacc] Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes

“Are the days of saving one’s competition costume for the stage fading?”

I do not think so.

I think, in part, the focus on being seen as impressive in the halls it two fold.

1) And most notably, the big cons like some of the one here have 5 thousand, twenty thousand, even a hundred thousand attendees. The masquerade may be limited to only twenty or fourty or in extreme cases a hundred

masquerade entries. There is always a scrum for the limited slots in the masquerade, (even at a show such as Anime North where we have a Masquerade, Skit, and a specific Workmanship competition), and the likelihood of you GETTING to show your impressive, stageworthy costume on stage is low. Quite frankly  it’s a crap shoot.

2) Photography. In the old days, the best way of making sure you’d have a nice picture of your really impressive

costume was to enter the masquerade and get a copy of the official photography photo. Now in the advent of digital photography, can just as likely get a nice photo with an accomplished fan photographer elsewhere in the convention without participating in the masquerade.

I think therefore some people have become accustomed to wearing the “impressive things” in the halls.

Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada

 


 

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 21:19:42 -0400
Subject: Re: [runacc] Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes

 

I’d like to use a few electrons to look at how we got here.  Kevin and Andy really are the historians of costuming, however, and I hope they’ll chime in.

In the beginning there were hall costumes.  There were no competition costumes because there were no competitions.  In 1939, Forry Ackerman and Morojo worse costumes Morojo made to the very first World Science Fiction Convention (NYCon 1).  To the best of my knowledge, no one else did so.  Over time, as more fen began to wear them (e.g., E.E. “Doc” Smith, who liked to dress as his Lensman character, Kimball Kinnison), concoms began to organize events at which they could show them off.  These were very much masquerade parties, not stage shows.  As time went on, opportunities were given for persons in costume to step up to a microphone and talk about their costume.

The popularity of costume-wearing at SF cons became so great that, by the time the masquerade party had morphed into a stage show, entries frequently exceed 100 in number and the “Masquerade” could run for hours.  To reduce the size of masquerades, MDs began to use a rule that no costume seen in the hall before the masquerade could be entered.  This actually was very effective in cutting the number of masquerade entries down to a reasonable size (e.g., 50).  The first version of the ICG’s masquerade guidelines included the suggestion that such a commonly found rule be included.  That version was adopted by ballots counted at the 1992 ICG annual meeting (at CC 10).  It worked.

Costume-Con is a child of SF conventions.  Its structure is very similar.  Like SF cons, we have programming, social events, a dealers’ room, and competitions.  The costume exhibit essentially is a replacement for the SF con art show.  Similar to worldcons, we bid years in advance for the right to hold a CC and the current members vote on the bid(s).  While we don’t have the equivalent of the Hugo awards, the multiple competitions in a sense fill that niche.  We give tacit recognition to local costuming clubs, especially ICG chapters, much as local SF clubs participate in the worldcon (especially if they hold their own local SF conventions).  We’ve even had a Guest of Honor on occasion (e.g., CC 33).

Since the time we included a “no hall costumes in the masquerade” guideline in the ICG Guidelines in 1992, the wearing of hall costumes declined in popularity at SF cons, though not so much at CCs.  Masquerades also had gotten smaller.  That, I believe, was the principal reason that the current ICG Fairness Guidelines dropped that provision when they were adopted in 2006. It was no longer needed.  It had become common for masquerades at local and regional sf cons, and even at worldcons, to number fewer than 25.  In 2009, for example, the Anticipation masquerade (Montreal) had 30 entries; in 2011, the Chicon 7 masquerade had 27.  Costume-Cons followed a similar trend to smaller masquerades.  The CC 11 SFF masquerade had 43 entries.  The CC 29 SFF masquerade had 32; the CC 31 SFF masquerade had 31.

At CC 32, the SFF masquerade had 79 entries, 2 1/2 times the number the year before.  This was not just because of cosplayers attracted to the first CC in Ontario since CC 13, since even the Historical, which is lucky to have 20 entries, had 31.  CC 32 also set a new record for memberships.  At this point, I have absolutely no idea how much pent up costuming energy there is for CC 33.  Ther has never been a CC in the South and few southern SF cons have masquerades, so we may get a lot of members and entries.  The same may be true for 34, in Madison Wisconsin, although there have been mid-western CCs.  It may not be true for 35 in Mississauga, only three years after 32 in Toronto.

So, should you once again exclude hall costumes from the masquerade?  If you want to, go ahead; the MD’s word is law.  If you believe a CC (or any other con with a masquerade) is likely to have a very large number of members both desiring to show hall costumes and to enter the masquerade, you may want to do so in order to reduce the number of entries.  It worked in the past; it may do so again.  You have other options, however, such as restricting the availability of some awards.

“Are the days of saving one’s competition costume for the stage fading?”  Those days are relatively recent — only about 20 years old.  They don’t represent the long-term trend.  Whether that’s good or bad is up to you.  As one experienced performance judge, I’m not much concerned about the “wow” factor being reduced by having seen the costume in the halls.  I generally don’t remember that I’ve seen the costume in the halls and, anyway, I’m also looking at it under optimum lighting and as presented to the audience with the intended soundtrack.  Those factors all are missing in the halls.  We may want to ask other judges for their views on this point.

Byron the Boring

On Apr 16, 2015, at 10:03 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

This oughtta stir some debate:   🙂

 

New subject:

 
 

More of our CC memberships are being filled with the ranks of costumers coming from the cosplay community.   At conventions that cater to that demographic, the emphasis is more about wearing their “wow” costumes in the halls for maximum effect.     Often, the costume contests are seemingly more about getting all their fans in one room to cheer them on, rather than a “masquerade”.   This environment was pretty much the case in Toronto.   Don’t get me wrong – it was great having all those new people.   And I applauded efforts to try to impress our “con culture upon all those new folks “.

 

I recognize that we must reach out to these costumers for the sake of getting new blood, but is there a risk of making too much of an accommodation?   I remember one person on Cosplay.com (a forum that, at least USED to be, a place CC concoms should be paying attention to) said “I spent a lot of time on my one costume and I want to wear it as much as I can”.   So, they wore it pretty much everywhere.   They were not the only ones.   Now, in some ways, I can’t blame them for thinking that way.   But, stay with me here.

 

Any “wow” factor has been lost by the time they get on stage.   Chances are, the judges will have seen them at some point, beforehand.   This makes the costume less “fresh”.   It’s also not as much fun for the judges because they’ve seen it already – part of the fun for them is the surprise factor.    

 

I suspect this year’s CC will feel more “old school”, but I wonder what will happen at CC34 and subsequently, at 35?

 

Are the days of saving one’s competition costume for the stage fading?

 

Should there be more of an effort to encourage people not to wear their competition costume in the halls before the masquerade?

In my opinion, you have a better masquerade without a “preview”.

 
 
 

Discuss!

 
 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2779 From: ECM Date: 4/20/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn

 

We all kept the costumes secret, and went so far as to not even talk about them, lest we give a potential judge – or, Ghods forbid! – a competitor! any clues as to what to expect.  It was actually kind of fun!  “I’ve got a secret!”
Elaine


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 19:16:00 -0400
Subject: RE: [runacc] Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn

 

Thanks for the history on that Byron. 🙂

I had always grown up hearing Jacqui Ward talk about the great lengths she went to in keeping her costumes seceret, so in 2003 I was  under the impression that it was at all Worldcons and Costume-Cons.

I guess that’s the minefield when things are guidelines rather than rules,

some groups do things one way, others another, others again something in the middle.
When their are no absolutes it’s easy to get roasted in the fires of public opinion for making

unintentional faux pas.

Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 18:19:35 -0400
Subject: Re: [runacc] Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn

 

I just checked the Torcon 3 masquerade rules.  They did not bar hall costumes from competing.

Byron

 

 

On Apr 19, 2015, at 1:17 PM, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

We have here in the past, especially leading up to Worldcon being in Toronto and again in Montreal. 

(I was annoyed that at Torcon when I directly questioned people wearing their competition costumes around in the halls all day before the Masquerade  was told by others, “Not to worry about it/nobody cares.” as I had always been under the impression that it was simply not done at that convention. >_>)

You’re not going to change an entire culture that has big costumes in the halls for reasons I already mentioned,
HOWEVER,

we can most certainly indicate that at Costume-Con the  EXPECTATION is that your Masquerade costume is a surprise,
and encourage that.

Make it something special, like when you dress up for church.

Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2015 11:17:54 -0500
Subject: RE: [runacc] Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn

 

I can certainly understand the reasoning – but this (CC) is not a huge con, normally.   CC32 was an aberration.   Even CC26 was somewhat of an aberration, because there hadn’t been a West Coast con in so long, and Kevin and Andy worked their butts off to promote it.

 

I’m wondering if we need to do some education about the differences between “hall costumes” and “competition costumes”?

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 11:09 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [runacc] Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes

“Are the days of saving one’s competition costume for the stage fading?”

I do not think so.

I think, in part, the focus on being seen as impressive in the halls it two fold.

1) And most notably, the big cons like some of the one here have 5 thousand, twenty thousand, even a hundred thousand attendees. The masquerade may be limited to only twenty or fourty or in extreme cases a hundred

masquerade entries. There is always a scrum for the limited slots in the masquerade, (even at a show such as Anime North where we have a Masquerade, Skit, and a specific Workmanship competition), and the likelihood of you GETTING to show your impressive, stageworthy costume on stage is low. Quite frankly  it’s a crap shoot.

2) Photography. In the old days, the best way of making sure you’d have a nice picture of your really impressive

costume was to enter the masquerade and get a copy of the official photography photo. Now in the advent of digital photography, can just as likely get a nice photo with an accomplished fan photographer elsewhere in the convention without participating in the masquerade.

I think therefore some people have become accustomed to wearing the “impressive things” in the halls.

Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada

 


 

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 21:19:42 -0400
Subject: Re: [runacc] Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes

 

I’d like to use a few electrons to look at how we got here.  Kevin and Andy really are the historians of costuming, however, and I hope they’ll chime in.

In the beginning there were hall costumes.  There were no competition costumes because there were no competitions.  In 1939, Forry Ackerman and Morojo worse costumes Morojo made to the very first World Science Fiction Convention (NYCon 1).  To the best of my knowledge, no one else did so.  Over time, as more fen began to wear them (e.g., E.E. “Doc” Smith, who liked to dress as his Lensman character, Kimball Kinnison), concoms began to organize events at which they could show them off.  These were very much masquerade parties, not stage shows.  As time went on, opportunities were given for persons in costume to step up to a microphone and talk about their costume.

The popularity of costume-wearing at SF cons became so great that, by the time the masquerade party had morphed into a stage show, entries frequently exceed 100 in number and the “Masquerade” could run for hours.  To reduce the size of masquerades, MDs began to use a rule that no costume seen in the hall before the masquerade could be entered.  This actually was very effective in cutting the number of masquerade entries down to a reasonable size (e.g., 50).  The first version of the ICG’s masquerade guidelines included the suggestion that such a commonly found rule be included.  That version was adopted by ballots counted at the 1992 ICG annual meeting (at CC 10).  It worked.

Costume-Con is a child of SF conventions.  Its structure is very similar.  Like SF cons, we have programming, social events, a dealers’ room, and competitions.  The costume exhibit essentially is a replacement for the SF con art show.  Similar to worldcons, we bid years in advance for the right to hold a CC and the current members vote on the bid(s).  While we don’t have the equivalent of the Hugo awards, the multiple competitions in a sense fill that niche.  We give tacit recognition to local costuming clubs, especially ICG chapters, much as local SF clubs participate in the worldcon (especially if they hold their own local SF conventions).  We’ve even had a Guest of Honor on occasion (e.g., CC 33).

Since the time we included a “no hall costumes in the masquerade” guideline in the ICG Guidelines in 1992, the wearing of hall costumes declined in popularity at SF cons, though not so much at CCs.  Masquerades also had gotten smaller.  That, I believe, was the principal reason that the current ICG Fairness Guidelines dropped that provision when they were adopted in 2006. It was no longer needed.  It had become common for masquerades at local and regional sf cons, and even at worldcons, to number fewer than 25.  In 2009, for example, the Anticipation masquerade (Montreal) had 30 entries; in 2011, the Chicon 7 masquerade had 27.  Costume-Cons followed a similar trend to smaller masquerades.  The CC 11 SFF masquerade had 43 entries.  The CC 29 SFF masquerade had 32; the CC 31 SFF masquerade had 31.

At CC 32, the SFF masquerade had 79 entries, 2 1/2 times the number the year before.  This was not just because of cosplayers attracted to the first CC in Ontario since CC 13, since even the Historical, which is lucky to have 20 entries, had 31.  CC 32 also set a new record for memberships.  At this point, I have absolutely no idea how much pent up costuming energy there is for CC 33.  Ther has never been a CC in the South and few southern SF cons have masquerades, so we may get a lot of members and entries.  The same may be true for 34, in Madison Wisconsin, although there have been mid-western CCs.  It may not be true for 35 in Mississauga, only three years after 32 in Toronto.

So, should you once again exclude hall costumes from the masquerade?  If you want to, go ahead; the MD’s word is law.  If you believe a CC (or any other con with a masquerade) is likely to have a very large number of members both desiring to show hall costumes and to enter the masquerade, you may want to do so in order to reduce the number of entries.  It worked in the past; it may do so again.  You have other options, however, such as restricting the availability of some awards.

“Are the days of saving one’s competition costume for the stage fading?”  Those days are relatively recent — only about 20 years old.  They don’t represent the long-term trend.  Whether that’s good or bad is up to you.  As one experienced performance judge, I’m not much concerned about the “wow” factor being reduced by having seen the costume in the halls.  I generally don’t remember that I’ve seen the costume in the halls and, anyway, I’m also looking at it under optimum lighting and as presented to the audience with the intended soundtrack.  Those factors all are missing in the halls.  We may want to ask other judges for their views on this point.

Byron the Boring

On Apr 16, 2015, at 10:03 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

This oughtta stir some debate:   🙂

 

New subject:

 
 

More of our CC memberships are being filled with the ranks of costumers coming from the cosplay community.   At conventions that cater to that demographic, the emphasis is more about wearing their “wow” costumes in the halls for maximum effect.     Often, the costume contests are seemingly more about getting all their fans in one room to cheer them on, rather than a “masquerade”.   This environment was pretty much the case in Toronto.   Don’t get me wrong – it was great having all those new people.   And I applauded efforts to try to impress our “con culture upon all those new folks “.

 

I recognize that we must reach out to these costumers for the sake of getting new blood, but is there a risk of making too much of an accommodation?   I remember one person on Cosplay.com (a forum that, at least USED to be, a place CC concoms should be paying attention to) said “I spent a lot of time on my one costume and I want to wear it as much as I can”.   So, they wore it pretty much everywhere.   They were not the only ones.   Now, in some ways, I can’t blame them for thinking that way.   But, stay with me here.

 

Any “wow” factor has been lost by the time they get on stage.   Chances are, the judges will have seen them at some point, beforehand.   This makes the costume less “fresh”.   It’s also not as much fun for the judges because they’ve seen it already – part of the fun for them is the surprise factor.    

 

I suspect this year’s CC will feel more “old school”, but I wonder what will happen at CC34 and subsequently, at 35?

 

Are the days of saving one’s competition costume for the stage fading?

 

Should there be more of an effort to encourage people not to wear their competition costume in the halls before the masquerade?

In my opinion, you have a better masquerade without a “preview”.

 
 
 

Discuss!

 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2780 From: Byron Connell Date: 4/21/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn

 

On more than one occasion, entrants have turned up at the green room wrapped in sheets to keep their costumes secret.

 

Byron

 

 

On Apr 20, 2015, at 8:53 PM, ECM ecmami@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

We all kept the costumes secret, and went so far as to not even talk about them, lest we give a potential judge – or, Ghods forbid! – a competitor! any clues as to what to expect.  It was actually kind of fun!  “I’ve got a secret!”
Elaine


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 19:16:00 -0400
Subject: RE: [runacc] Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn

 

Thanks for the history on that Byron. 🙂

I had always grown up hearing Jacqui Ward talk about the great lengths she went to in keeping her costumes seceret, so in 2003 I was  under the impression that it was at all Worldcons and Costume-Cons.

I guess that’s the minefield when things are guidelines rather than rules,

some groups do things one way, others another, others again something in the middle.
When their are no absolutes it’s easy to get roasted in the fires of public opinion for making

unintentional faux pas.

Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada




To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 18:19:35 -0400
Subject: Re: [runacc] Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn

 

I just checked the Torcon 3 masquerade rules.  They did not bar hall costumes from competing.

Byron

 

On Apr 19, 2015, at 1:17 PM, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 


We have here in the past, especially leading up to Worldcon being in Toronto and again in Montreal. 

(I was annoyed that at Torcon when I directly questioned people wearing their competition costumes around in the halls all day before the Masquerade  was told by others, “Not to worry about it/nobody cares.” as I had always been under the impression that it was simply not done at that convention. >_>)

You’re not going to change an entire culture that has big costumes in the halls for reasons I already mentioned,
HOWEVER,
we can most certainly indicate that at Costume-Con the  EXPECTATION is that your Masquerade costume is a surprise,
and encourage that.


Make it something special, like when you dress up for church.



Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada




To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2015 11:17:54 -0500
Subject: RE: [runacc] Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn

 

 

I can certainly understand the reasoning – but this (CC) is not a huge con, normally.   CC32 was an aberration.   Even CC26 was somewhat of an aberration, because there hadn’t been a West Coast con in so long, and Kevin and Andy worked their butts off to promote it.

 

I’m wondering if we need to do some education about the differences between “hall costumes” and “competition costumes”?

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 11:09 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [runacc] Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes




“Are the days of saving one’s competition costume for the stage fading?”

 

I do not think so.

 

I think, in part, the focus on being seen as impressive in the halls it two fold.

 

1) And most notably, the big cons like some of the one here have 5 thousand, twenty thousand, even a hundred thousand attendees. The masquerade may be limited to only twenty or fourty or in extreme cases a hundred

masquerade entries. There is always a scrum for the limited slots in the masquerade, (even at a show such as Anime North where we have a Masquerade, Skit, and a specific Workmanship competition), and the likelihood of you GETTING to show your impressive, stageworthy costume on stage is low. Quite frankly  it’s a crap shoot. 

 

2) Photography. In the old days, the best way of making sure you’d have a nice picture of your really impressive

costume was to enter the masquerade and get a copy of the official photography photo. Now in the advent of digital photography, can just as likely get a nice photo with an accomplished fan photographer elsewhere in the convention without participating in the masquerade.

 

I think therefore some people have become accustomed to wearing the “impressive things” in the halls.


Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada


 


 

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 21:19:42 -0400
Subject: Re: [runacc] Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes

  

I’d like to use a few electrons to look at how we got here.  Kevin and Andy really are the historians of costuming, however, and I hope they’ll chime in.

 

In the beginning there were hall costumes.  There were no competition costumes because there were no competitions.  In 1939, Forry Ackerman and Morojo worse costumes Morojo made to the very first World Science Fiction Convention (NYCon 1).  To the best of my knowledge, no one else did so.  Over time, as more fen began to wear them (e.g., E.E. “Doc” Smith, who liked to dress as his Lensman character, Kimball Kinnison), concoms began to organize events at which they could show them off.  These were very much masquerade parties, not stage shows.  As time went on, opportunities were given for persons in costume to step up to a microphone and talk about their costume.

 

The popularity of costume-wearing at SF cons became so great that, by the time the masquerade party had morphed into a stage show, entries frequently exceed 100 in number and the “Masquerade” could run for hours.  To reduce the size of masquerades, MDs began to use a rule that no costume seen in the hall before the masquerade could be entered.  This actually was very effective in cutting the number of masquerade entries down to a reasonable size (e.g., 50).  The first version of the ICG’s masquerade guidelines included the suggestion that such a commonly found rule be included.  That version was adopted by ballots counted at the 1992 ICG annual meeting (at CC 10).  It worked.

 

Costume-Con is a child of SF conventions.  Its structure is very similar.  Like SF cons, we have programming, social events, a dealers’ room, and competitions.  The costume exhibit essentially is a replacement for the SF con art show.  Similar to worldcons, we bid years in advance for the right to hold a CC and the current members vote on the bid(s).  While we don’t have the equivalent of the Hugo awards, the multiple competitions in a sense fill that niche.  We give tacit recognition to local costuming clubs, especially ICG chapters, much as local SF clubs participate in the worldcon (especially if they hold their own local SF conventions).  We’ve even had a Guest of Honor on occasion (e.g., CC 33).

 

Since the time we included a “no hall costumes in the masquerade” guideline in the ICG Guidelines in 1992, the wearing of hall costumes declined in popularity at SF cons, though not so much at CCs.  Masquerades also had gotten smaller.  That, I believe, was the principal reason that the current ICG Fairness Guidelines dropped that provision when they were adopted in 2006. It was no longer needed.  It had become common for masquerades at local and regional sf cons, and even at worldcons, to number fewer than 25.  In 2009, for example, the Anticipation masquerade (Montreal) had 30 entries; in 2011, the Chicon 7 masquerade had 27.  Costume-Cons followed a similar trend to smaller masquerades.  The CC 11 SFF masquerade had 43 entries.  The CC 29 SFF masquerade had 32; the CC 31 SFF masquerade had 31.

 

At CC 32, the SFF masquerade had 79 entries, 2 1/2 times the number the year before.  This was not just because of cosplayers attracted to the first CC in Ontario since CC 13, since even the Historical, which is lucky to have 20 entries, had 31.  CC 32 also set a new record for memberships.  At this point, I have absolutely no idea how much pent up costuming energy there is for CC 33.  Ther has never been a CC in the South and few southern SF cons have masquerades, so we may get a lot of members and entries.  The same may be true for 34, in Madison Wisconsin, although there have been mid-western CCs.  It may not be true for 35 in Mississauga, only three years after 32 in Toronto.

 

So, should you once again exclude hall costumes from the masquerade?  If you want to, go ahead; the MD’s word is law.  If you believe a CC (or any other con with a masquerade) is likely to have a very large number of members both desiring to show hall costumes and to enter the masquerade, you may want to do so in order to reduce the number of entries.  It worked in the past; it may do so again.  You have other options, however, such as restricting the availability of some awards.

 

“Are the days of saving one’s competition costume for the stage fading?”  Those days are relatively recent — only about 20 years old.  They don’t represent the long-term trend.  Whether that’s good or bad is up to you.  As one experienced performance judge, I’m not much concerned about the “wow” factor being reduced by having seen the costume in the halls.  I generally don’t remember that I’ve seen the costume in the halls and, anyway, I’m also looking at it under optimum lighting and as presented to the audience with the intended soundtrack.  Those factors all are missing in the halls.  We may want to ask other judges for their views on this point.

 

Byron the Boring

        
          

On Apr 16, 2015, at 10:03 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
 

This oughtta stir some debate:   🙂

 

New subject:

 
 

More of our CC memberships are being filled with the ranks of costumers coming from the cosplay community.   At conventions that cater to that demographic, the emphasis is more about wearing their “wow” costumes in the halls for maximum effect.     Often, the costume contests are seemingly more about getting all their fans in one room to cheer them on, rather than a “masquerade”.   This environment was pretty much the case in Toronto.   Don’t get me wrong – it was great having all those new people.   And I applauded efforts to try to impress our “con culture upon all those new folks “.

 

I recognize that we must reach out to these costumers for the sake of getting new blood, but is there a risk of making too much of an accommodation?   I remember one person on Cosplay.com (a forum that, at least USED to be, a place CC concoms should be paying attention to) said “I spent a lot of time on my one costume and I want to wear it as much as I can”.   So, they wore it pretty much everywhere.   They were not the only ones.   Now, in some ways, I can’t blame them for thinking that way.   But, stay with me here.

 

Any “wow” factor has been lost by the time they get on stage.   Chances are, the judges will have seen them at some point, beforehand.   This makes the costume less “fresh”.   It’s also not as much fun for the judges because they’ve seen it already – part of the fun for them is the surprise factor.    

 

I suspect this year’s CC will feel more “old school”, but I wonder what will happen at CC34 and subsequently, at 35?

 

Are the days of saving one’s competition costume for the stage fading?

 

Should there be more of an effort to encourage people not to wear their competition costume in the halls before the masquerade?

In my opinion, you have a better masquerade without a “preview”.

 
 
 

Discuss!

 
 
 
 




 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2781 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 4/21/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn

 

 

On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Byron Connell byronpconnell@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

On more than one occasion, entrants have turned up at the green room wrapped in sheets to keep their costumes secret.

The practical thing, though, is nobody cares about a few people seeing you move from your hotel room to the green room in your competiton costume. The judges are probably somewhere else, as is most of the audience.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2782 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 4/24/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn, Elai

 

 

As I recall, things were much more competitive then, from what the Pettingers told us.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2015 7:53 PM
To: Betsy D
Subject: RE: [runacc] Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn

We all kept the costumes secret, and went so far as to not even talk about them, lest we give a potential judge – or, Ghods forbid! – a competitor! any clues as to what to expect.  It was actually kind of fun!  “I’ve got a secret!”
Elaine

 


 

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 19:16:00 -0400
Subject: RE: [runacc] Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn

Thanks for the history on that Byron. 🙂

I had always grown up hearing Jacqui Ward talk about the great lengths she went to in keeping her costumes seceret, so in 2003 I was  under the impression that it was at all Worldcons and Costume-Cons.

I guess that’s the minefield when things are guidelines rather than rules,

some groups do things one way, others another, others again something in the middle.
When their are no absolutes it’s easy to get roasted in the fires of public opinion for making

unintentional faux pas.

Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada

 


 

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 18:19:35 -0400
Subject: Re: [runacc] Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn

I just checked the Torcon 3 masquerade rules.  They did not bar hall costumes from competing.

 

Byron

 

 

 

On Apr 19, 2015, at 1:17 PM, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 


We have here in the past, especially leading up to Worldcon being in Toronto and again in Montreal. 

(I was annoyed that at Torcon when I directly questioned people wearing their competition costumes around in the halls all day before the Masquerade  was told by others, “Not to worry about it/nobody cares.” as I had always been under the impression that it was simply not done at that convention. >_>)

You’re not going to change an entire culture that has big costumes in the halls for reasons I already mentioned,
HOWEVER,

we can most certainly indicate that at Costume-Con the  EXPECTATION is that your Masquerade costume is a surprise,

and encourage that.


Make it something special, like when you dress up for church.

Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada

 


 

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2015 11:17:54 -0500
Subject: RE: [runacc] Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn

 

I can certainly understand the reasoning – but this (CC) is not a huge con, normally.   CC32 was an aberration.   Even CC26 was somewhat of an aberration, because there hadn’t been a West Coast con in so long, and Kevin and Andy worked their butts off to promote it.

 

I’m wondering if we need to do some education about the differences between “hall costumes” and “competition costumes”?

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 11:09 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [runacc] Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes

 

“Are the days of saving one’s competition costume for the stage fading?”

 

I do not think so.

 

I think, in part, the focus on being seen as impressive in the halls it two fold.

 

1) And most notably, the big cons like some of the one here have 5 thousand, twenty thousand, even a hundred thousand attendees. The masquerade may be limited to only twenty or fourty or in extreme cases a hundred

masquerade entries. There is always a scrum for the limited slots in the masquerade, (even at a show such as Anime North where we have a Masquerade, Skit, and a specific Workmanship competition), and the likelihood of you GETTING to show your impressive, stageworthy costume on stage is low. Quite frankly  it’s a crap shoot. 

 

2) Photography. In the old days, the best way of making sure you’d have a nice picture of your really impressive

costume was to enter the masquerade and get a copy of the official photography photo. Now in the advent of digital photography, can just as likely get a nice photo with an accomplished fan photographer elsewhere in the convention without participating in the masquerade.

 

I think therefore some people have become accustomed to wearing the “impressive things” in the halls.


Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada

 


 

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 21:19:42 -0400
Subject: Re: [runacc] Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes

 

I’d like to use a few electrons to look at how we got here.  Kevin and Andy really are the historians of costuming, however, and I hope they’ll chime in.

 

In the beginning there were hall costumes.  There were no competition costumes because there were no competitions.  In 1939, Forry Ackerman and Morojo worse costumes Morojo made to the very first World Science Fiction Convention (NYCon 1).  To the best of my knowledge, no one else did so.  Over time, as more fen began to wear them (e.g., E.E. “Doc” Smith, who liked to dress as his Lensman character, Kimball Kinnison), concoms began to organize events at which they could show them off.  These were very much masquerade parties, not stage shows.  As time went on, opportunities were given for persons in costume to step up to a microphone and talk about their costume.

 

The popularity of costume-wearing at SF cons became so great that, by the time the masquerade party had morphed into a stage show, entries frequently exceed 100 in number and the “Masquerade” could run for hours.  To reduce the size of masquerades, MDs began to use a rule that no costume seen in the hall before the masquerade could be entered.  This actually was very effective in cutting the number of masquerade entries down to a reasonable size (e.g., 50).  The first version of the ICG’s masquerade guidelines included the suggestion that such a commonly found rule be included.  That version was adopted by ballots counted at the 1992 ICG annual meeting (at CC 10).  It worked.

 

Costume-Con is a child of SF conventions.  Its structure is very similar.  Like SF cons, we have programming, social events, a dealers’ room, and competitions.  The costume exhibit essentially is a replacement for the SF con art show.  Similar to worldcons, we bid years in advance for the right to hold a CC and the current members vote on the bid(s).  While we don’t have the equivalent of the Hugo awards, the multiple competitions in a sense fill that niche.  We give tacit recognition to local costuming clubs, especially ICG chapters, much as local SF clubs participate in the worldcon (especially if they hold their own local SF conventions).  We’ve even had a Guest of Honor on occasion (e.g., CC 33).

 

Since the time we included a “no hall costumes in the masquerade” guideline in the ICG Guidelines in 1992, the wearing of hall costumes declined in popularity at SF cons, though not so much at CCs.  Masquerades also had gotten smaller.  That, I believe, was the principal reason that the current ICG Fairness Guidelines dropped that provision when they were adopted in 2006. It was no longer needed.  It had become common for masquerades at local and regional sf cons, and even at worldcons, to number fewer than 25.  In 2009, for example, the Anticipation masquerade (Montreal) had 30 entries; in 2011, the Chicon 7 masquerade had 27.  Costume-Cons followed a similar trend to smaller masquerades.  The CC 11 SFF masquerade had 43 entries.  The CC 29 SFF masquerade had 32; the CC 31 SFF masquerade had 31.

 

At CC 32, the SFF masquerade had 79 entries, 2 1/2 times the number the year before.  This was not just because of cosplayers attracted to the first CC in Ontario since CC 13, since even the Historical, which is lucky to have 20 entries, had 31.  CC 32 also set a new record for memberships.  At this point, I have absolutely no idea how much pent up costuming energy there is for CC 33.  Ther has never been a CC in the South and few southern SF cons have masquerades, so we may get a lot of members and entries.  The same may be true for 34, in Madison Wisconsin, although there have been mid-western CCs.  It may not be true for 35 in Mississauga, only three years after 32 in Toronto.

 

So, should you once again exclude hall costumes from the masquerade?  If you want to, go ahead; the MD’s word is law.  If you believe a CC (or any other con with a masquerade) is likely to have a very large number of members both desiring to show hall costumes and to enter the masquerade, you may want to do so in order to reduce the number of entries.  It worked in the past; it may do so again.  You have other options, however, such as restricting the availability of some awards.

 

“Are the days of saving one’s competition costume for the stage fading?”  Those days are relatively recent — only about 20 years old.  They don’t represent the long-term trend.  Whether that’s good or bad is up to you.  As one experienced performance judge, I’m not much concerned about the “wow” factor being reduced by having seen the costume in the halls.  I generally don’t remember that I’ve seen the costume in the halls and, anyway, I’m also looking at it under optimum lighting and as presented to the audience with the intended soundtrack.  Those factors all are missing in the halls.  We may want to ask other judges for their views on this point.

 

Byron the Boring

        

          

On Apr 16, 2015, at 10:03 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

This oughtta stir some debate:   🙂

 

New subject:

 

 

More of our CC memberships are being filled with the ranks of costumers coming from the cosplay community.   At conventions that cater to that demographic, the emphasis is more about wearing their “wow” costumes in the halls for maximum effect.     Often, the costume contests are seemingly more about getting all their fans in one room to cheer them on, rather than a “masquerade”.   This environment was pretty much the case in Toronto.   Don’t get me wrong – it was great having all those new people.   And I applauded efforts to try to impress our “con culture upon all those new folks “.

 

I recognize that we must reach out to these costumers for the sake of getting new blood, but is there a risk of making too much of an accommodation?   I remember one person on Cosplay.com (a forum that, at least USED to be, a place CC concoms should be paying attention to) said “I spent a lot of time on my one costume and I want to wear it as much as I can”.   So, they wore it pretty much everywhere.   They were not the only ones.   Now, in some ways, I can’t blame them for thinking that way.   But, stay with me here.

 

Any “wow” factor has been lost by the time they get on stage.   Chances are, the judges will have seen them at some point, beforehand.   This makes the costume less “fresh”.   It’s also not as much fun for the judges because they’ve seen it already – part of the fun for them is the surprise factor.    

 

I suspect this year’s CC will feel more “old school”, but I wonder what will happen at CC34 and subsequently, at 35?

 

Are the days of saving one’s competition costume for the stage fading?

 

Should there be more of an effort to encourage people not to wear their competition costume in the halls before the masquerade?

In my opinion, you have a better masquerade without a “preview”.

 

 

 

Discuss!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2783 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 4/24/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn

 

 

Circling back to this one, here’s a thought for CC34:

 

The statement below is an interesting thought I’d not considered.   I remember at CC32  some unaffiliated person or persons had a photo area set up in the hall, offering (free?) photos.  We’ve never really emphasized the fact that we have official photography and the fan photo runs.   Perhaps, in addition to Elaine’s and Kevin’s suggestions, the photo ops need to be emphasized.   All three things might help to cut down on seeing stuff in the halls beforehand.

 

And here’s one more we thought of this morning:  In a way, one hopes they’ve taken this into account, but, “Do you want to chance wearing your costume in the halls, only for it to fall apart in front of the Workmanship judges, or worse, even on stage?”.  

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 11:09 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [runacc] Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes

 

2) Photography. In the old days, the best way of making sure you’d have a nice picture of your really impressive

costume was to enter the masquerade and get a copy of the official photography photo. Now in the advent of digital photography, can just as likely get a nice photo with an accomplished fan photographer elsewhere in the convention without participating in the masquerade.

 

I think therefore some people have become accustomed to wearing the “impressive things” in the halls.


Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2784 From: ECM Date: 4/24/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn, Elai

 

And we had three distinct camps – no, four.  The West, the East, Canada, & Everybody Else!

Elaine


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 07:18:15 -0500
Subject: RE: [runacc] Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn, Elaine

 

As I recall, things were much more competitive then, from what the Pettingers told us.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2015 7:53 PM
To: Betsy D
Subject: RE: [runacc] Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn

We all kept the costumes secret, and went so far as to not even talk about them, lest we give a potential judge – or, Ghods forbid! – a competitor! any clues as to what to expect.  It was actually kind of fun!  “I’ve got a secret!”
Elaine

 


 

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 19:16:00 -0400
Subject: RE: [runacc] Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn

Thanks for the history on that Byron. 🙂

I had always grown up hearing Jacqui Ward talk about the great lengths she went to in keeping her costumes seceret, so in 2003 I was  under the impression that it was at all Worldcons and Costume-Cons.

I guess that’s the minefield when things are guidelines rather than rules,

some groups do things one way, others another, others again something in the middle.
When their are no absolutes it’s easy to get roasted in the fires of public opinion for making

unintentional faux pas.

Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada

 


 

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 18:19:35 -0400
Subject: Re: [runacc] Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn

I just checked the Torcon 3 masquerade rules.  They did not bar hall costumes from competing.

Byron

 

On Apr 19, 2015, at 1:17 PM, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 


We have here in the past, especially leading up to Worldcon being in Toronto and again in Montreal. 

(I was annoyed that at Torcon when I directly questioned people wearing their competition costumes around in the halls all day before the Masquerade  was told by others, “Not to worry about it/nobody cares.” as I had always been under the impression that it was simply not done at that convention. >_>)

You’re not going to change an entire culture that has big costumes in the halls for reasons I already mentioned,
HOWEVER,

we can most certainly indicate that at Costume-Con the  EXPECTATION is that your Masquerade costume is a surprise,

and encourage that.


Make it something special, like when you dress up for church.

Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada

 


 

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2015 11:17:54 -0500
Subject: RE: [runacc] Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn

 

I can certainly understand the reasoning – but this (CC) is not a huge con, normally.   CC32 was an aberration.   Even CC26 was somewhat of an aberration, because there hadn’t been a West Coast con in so long, and Kevin and Andy worked their butts off to promote it.

 

I’m wondering if we need to do some education about the differences between “hall costumes” and “competition costumes”?

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 11:09 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [runacc] Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes

 

“Are the days of saving one’s competition costume for the stage fading?”

 

I do not think so.

 

I think, in part, the focus on being seen as impressive in the halls it two fold.

 

1) And most notably, the big cons like some of the one here have 5 thousand, twenty thousand, even a hundred thousand attendees. The masquerade may be limited to only twenty or fourty or in extreme cases a hundred

masquerade entries. There is always a scrum for the limited slots in the masquerade, (even at a show such as Anime North where we have a Masquerade, Skit, and a specific Workmanship competition), and the likelihood of you GETTING to show your impressive, stageworthy costume on stage is low. Quite frankly  it’s a crap shoot. 

 

2) Photography. In the old days, the best way of making sure you’d have a nice picture of your really impressive

costume was to enter the masquerade and get a copy of the official photography photo. Now in the advent of digital photography, can just as likely get a nice photo with an accomplished fan photographer elsewhere in the convention without participating in the masquerade.

 

I think therefore some people have become accustomed to wearing the “impressive things” in the halls.


Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada

 


 

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 21:19:42 -0400
Subject: Re: [runacc] Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes

 

I’d like to use a few electrons to look at how we got here.  Kevin and Andy really are the historians of costuming, however, and I hope they’ll chime in.

 

In the beginning there were hall costumes.  There were no competition costumes because there were no competitions.  In 1939, Forry Ackerman and Morojo worse costumes Morojo made to the very first World Science Fiction Convention (NYCon 1).  To the best of my knowledge, no one else did so.  Over time, as more fen began to wear them (e.g., E.E. “Doc” Smith, who liked to dress as his Lensman character, Kimball Kinnison), concoms began to organize events at which they could show them off.  These were very much masquerade parties, not stage shows.  As time went on, opportunities were given for persons in costume to step up to a microphone and talk about their costume.

 

The popularity of costume-wearing at SF cons became so great that, by the time the masquerade party had morphed into a stage show, entries frequently exceed 100 in number and the “Masquerade” could run for hours.  To reduce the size of masquerades, MDs began to use a rule that no costume seen in the hall before the masquerade could be entered.  This actually was very effective in cutting the number of masquerade entries down to a reasonable size (e.g., 50).  The first version of the ICG’s masquerade guidelines included the suggestion that such a commonly found rule be included.  That version was adopted by ballots counted at the 1992 ICG annual meeting (at CC 10).  It worked.

 

Costume-Con is a child of SF conventions.  Its structure is very similar.  Like SF cons, we have programming, social events, a dealers’ room, and competitions.  The costume exhibit essentially is a replacement for the SF con art show.  Similar to worldcons, we bid years in advance for the right to hold a CC and the current members vote on the bid(s).  While we don’t have the equivalent of the Hugo awards, the multiple competitions in a sense fill that niche.  We give tacit recognition to local costuming clubs, especially ICG chapters, much as local SF clubs participate in the worldcon (especially if they hold their own local SF conventions).  We’ve even had a Guest of Honor on occasion (e.g., CC 33).

 

Since the time we included a “no hall costumes in the masquerade” guideline in the ICG Guidelines in 1992, the wearing of hall costumes declined in popularity at SF cons, though not so much at CCs.  Masquerades also had gotten smaller.  That, I believe, was the principal reason that the current ICG Fairness Guidelines dropped that provision when they were adopted in 2006. It was no longer needed.  It had become common for masquerades at local and regional sf cons, and even at worldcons, to number fewer than 25.  In 2009, for example, the Anticipation masquerade (Montreal) had 30 entries; in 2011, the Chicon 7 masquerade had 27.  Costume-Cons followed a similar trend to smaller masquerades.  The CC 11 SFF masquerade had 43 entries.  The CC 29 SFF masquerade had 32; the CC 31 SFF masquerade had 31.

 

At CC 32, the SFF masquerade had 79 entries, 2 1/2 times the number the year before.  This was not just because of cosplayers attracted to the first CC in Ontario since CC 13, since even the Historical, which is lucky to have 20 entries, had 31.  CC 32 also set a new record for memberships.  At this point, I have absolutely no idea how much pent up costuming energy there is for CC 33.  Ther has never been a CC in the South and few southern SF cons have masquerades, so we may get a lot of members and entries.  The same may be true for 34, in Madison Wisconsin, although there have been mid-western CCs.  It may not be true for 35 in Mississauga, only three years after 32 in Toronto.

 

So, should you once again exclude hall costumes from the masquerade?  If you want to, go ahead; the MD’s word is law.  If you believe a CC (or any other con with a masquerade) is likely to have a very large number of members both desiring to show hall costumes and to enter the masquerade, you may want to do so in order to reduce the number of entries.  It worked in the past; it may do so again.  You have other options, however, such as restricting the availability of some awards.

 

“Are the days of saving one’s competition costume for the stage fading?”  Those days are relatively recent — only about 20 years old.  They don’t represent the long-term trend.  Whether that’s good or bad is up to you.  As one experienced performance judge, I’m not much concerned about the “wow” factor being reduced by having seen the costume in the halls.  I generally don’t remember that I’ve seen the costume in the halls and, anyway, I’m also looking at it under optimum lighting and as presented to the audience with the intended soundtrack.  Those factors all are missing in the halls.  We may want to ask other judges for their views on this point.

 

Byron the Boring

        

          

On Apr 16, 2015, at 10:03 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

This oughtta stir some debate:   🙂

 

New subject:

 

 

More of our CC memberships are being filled with the ranks of costumers coming from the cosplay community.   At conventions that cater to that demographic, the emphasis is more about wearing their “wow” costumes in the halls for maximum effect.     Often, the costume contests are seemingly more about getting all their fans in one room to cheer them on, rather than a “masquerade”.   This environment was pretty much the case in Toronto.   Don’t get me wrong – it was great having all those new people.   And I applauded efforts to try to impress our “con culture upon all those new folks “.

 

I recognize that we must reach out to these costumers for the sake of getting new blood, but is there a risk of making too much of an accommodation?   I remember one person on Cosplay.com (a forum that, at least USED to be, a place CC concoms should be paying attention to) said “I spent a lot of time on my one costume and I want to wear it as much as I can”.   So, they wore it pretty much everywhere.   They were not the only ones.   Now, in some ways, I can’t blame them for thinking that way.   But, stay with me here.

 

Any “wow” factor has been lost by the time they get on stage.   Chances are, the judges will have seen them at some point, beforehand.   This makes the costume less “fresh”.   It’s also not as much fun for the judges because they’ve seen it already – part of the fun for them is the surprise factor.    

 

I suspect this year’s CC will feel more “old school”, but I wonder what will happen at CC34 and subsequently, at 35?

 

Are the days of saving one’s competition costume for the stage fading?

 

Should there be more of an effort to encourage people not to wear their competition costume in the halls before the masquerade?

In my opinion, you have a better masquerade without a “preview”.

 

 

 

Discuss!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2785 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 4/24/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn, Elai

Yeah, cause the Midwest is so vast and confusing to people on the coasts.

Nora
——————————————–

On Fri, 4/24/15, ECM ecmami@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: RE: [runacc] Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn, Elaine

And we had three distinct camps – no, four.
The West, the East, Canada, & Everybody Else!

Elaine

To:
runacc@yahoogroups.com
From:
runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 24 Apr
2015 07:18:15 -0500
Subject: RE: [runacc]
Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn,
Elaine

As I recall, things were much more
competitive then, from what the Pettingers told
us.
Bruce From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2015 7:53 PM
To: Betsy D
Subject: RE: [runacc] Hall costumes are
becoming the Competition costumes –
Dawn

We all kept the
costumes secret, and went so far as to not even talk about
them, lest we give a potential judge – or, Ghods forbid! – a
competitor! any clues as to what to expect. It was
actually kind of fun! “I’ve got a
secret!”
Elaine
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 19:16:00 -0400
Subject: RE: [runacc] Hall costumes are
becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn

Thanks for the
history on that Byron. 🙂

I
had always grown up hearing Jacqui Ward talk about the great
lengths she went to in keeping her costumes seceret, so in
2003 I was under the impression that it was at all
Worldcons and Costume-Cons.

I guess that’s the minefield when things
are guidelines rather than rules,some groups do
things one way, others another, others again something in
the middle.
When their are no absolutes
it’s easy to get roasted in the fires of public opinion
for makingunintentional faux
pas.

Dawn McKechnie
– President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of
Canada

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 18:19:35 -0400
Subject: Re: [runacc] Hall costumes are
becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn

I just checked the
Torcon 3 masquerade rules. They did not bar hall costumes
from competing. Byron On Apr 19, 2015, at
1:17 PM, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com
[runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:
We have here in the past, especially leading up
to Worldcon being in Toronto and again in Montreal. (I was
annoyed that at Torcon when I directly questioned people
wearing their competition costumes around in the halls all
day before the Masquerade was told by others, “Not to
worry about it/nobody cares.” as I had always been
under the impression that it was simply not done at that
convention. >_>)

You’re not going to change an entire
culture that has big costumes in the halls for reasons I
already mentioned,
HOWEVER,we can most
certainly indicate that at Costume-Con the EXPECTATION is
that your Masquerade costume is a
surprise,and
encourage that.
Make it something special, like when you dress
up for church.

Dawn McKechnie
– President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2015 11:17:54 -0500
Subject: RE: [runacc] Hall costumes are
becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn

I can certainly understand the reasoning – but
this (CC) is not a huge con, normally. CC32 was an
aberration. Even CC26 was somewhat of an aberration,
because there hadn’t been a West Coast con in so long,
and Kevin and Andy worked their butts off to promote
it. I’m wondering if we need to do some education
about the differences between “hall costumes” and
“competition costumes”? Bruce From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday,
April 18, 2015 11:09 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE:
[runacc] Hall costumes are becoming the Competition
costumes

“Are
the days of saving one’s competition costume for the
stage fading?” I do not
think so. I think, in
part, the focus on being seen as impressive in the halls it
two fold. 1) And most
notably, the big cons like some of the one here have 5
thousand, twenty thousand, even a hundred thousand
attendees. The masquerade may be limited to only twenty or
fourty or in extreme cases a hundredmasquerade
entries. There is always a scrum for the limited slots in
the masquerade, (even at a show such as Anime North where we
have a Masquerade, Skit, and a specific Workmanship
competition), and the likelihood of you GETTING to show your
impressive, stageworthy costume on stage is low. Quite
frankly it’s a crap
shoot. 2)
Photography. In the old days, the best way of making sure
you’d have a nice picture of your really
impressivecostume was
to enter the masquerade and get a copy of the official
photography photo. Now in the advent of digital photography,
can just as likely get a nice photo with an accomplished fan
photographer elsewhere in the convention without
participating in the
masquerade. I think
therefore some people have become accustomed to wearing the
“impressive things” in the
halls.
Dawn McKechnie
– President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 21:19:42 -0400
Subject: Re: [runacc] Hall costumes are
becoming the Competition costumes

I’d like
to use a few electrons to look at how we got here. Kevin
and Andy really are the historians of costuming, however,
and I hope they’ll chime in. In the
beginning there were hall costumes. There were no
competition costumes because there were no competitions.
In 1939, Forry Ackerman and Morojo worse costumes Morojo
made to the very first World Science Fiction Convention
(NYCon 1). To the best of my knowledge, no one else did
so. Over time, as more fen began to wear them (e.g., E.E.
“Doc” Smith, who liked to dress as his Lensman
character, Kimball Kinnison), concoms began to organize
events at which they could show them off. These were very
much masquerade parties, not stage shows. As time went on,
opportunities were given for persons in costume to step up
to a microphone and talk about their
costume. The
popularity of costume-wearing at SF cons became so great
that, by the time the masquerade party had morphed into a
stage show, entries frequently exceed 100 in number and the
“Masquerade” could run for hours. To reduce the size
of masquerades, MDs began to use a rule that no costume seen
in the hall before the masquerade could be entered. This
actually was very effective in cutting the number of
masquerade entries down to a reasonable size (e.g., 50).
The first version of the ICG’s masquerade guidelines
included the suggestion that such a commonly found rule be
included. That version was adopted by ballots counted at
the 1992 ICG annual meeting (at CC 10). It
worked. Costume-Con
is a child of SF conventions. Its structure is very
similar. Like SF cons, we have programming, social events,
a dealers’ room, and competitions. The costume exhibit
essentially is a replacement for the SF con art show.
Similar to worldcons, we bid years in advance for the
right to hold a CC and the current members vote on the
bid(s). While we don’t have the equivalent of the Hugo
awards, the multiple competitions in a sense fill that
niche. We give tacit recognition to local costuming clubs,
especially ICG chapters, much as local SF clubs participate
in the worldcon (especially if they hold their own local SF
conventions). We’ve even had a Guest of Honor on
occasion (e.g., CC 33). Since the
time we included a “no hall costumes in the masquerade”
guideline in the ICG Guidelines in 1992, the wearing of hall
costumes declined in popularity at SF cons, though not so
much at CCs. Masquerades also had gotten smaller. That,
I believe, was the principal reason that the current ICG
Fairness Guidelines dropped that provision when they were
adopted in 2006. It was no longer needed. It had become
common for masquerades at local and regional sf cons, and
even at worldcons, to number fewer than 25. In 2009, for
example, the Anticipation masquerade (Montreal) had 30
entries; in 2011, the Chicon 7 masquerade had 27.
Costume-Cons followed a similar trend to smaller
masquerades. The CC 11 SFF masquerade had 43 entries.
The CC 29 SFF masquerade had 32; the CC 31 SFF masquerade
had 31. At CC 32,
the SFF masquerade had 79 entries, 2 1/2 times the number
the year before. This was not just because of cosplayers
attracted to the first CC in Ontario since CC 13, since even
the Historical, which is lucky to have 20 entries, had 31.
CC 32 also set a new record for memberships. At this
point, I have absolutely no idea how much pent up costuming
energy there is for CC 33. Ther has never been a CC in the
South and few southern SF cons have masquerades, so we may
get a lot of members and entries. The same may be true for
34, in Madison Wisconsin, although there have been
mid-western CCs. It may not be true for 35 in Mississauga,
only three years after 32 in
Toronto. So, should
you once again exclude hall costumes from the masquerade?
If you want to, go ahead; the MD’s word is law. If you
believe a CC (or any other con with a masquerade) is likely
to have a very large number of members both desiring to show
hall costumes and to enter the masquerade, you may want to
do so in order to reduce the number of entries. It worked
in the past; it may do so again. You have other options,
however, such as restricting the availability of some
awards. “Are
the days of saving one’s competition costume for the
stage fading?” Those days are relatively recent — only
about 20 years old. They don’t represent the long-term
trend. Whether that’s good or bad is up to you. As one
experienced performance judge, I’m not much concerned
about the “wow” factor being reduced by having seen the
costume in the halls. I generally don’t remember that
I’ve seen the costume in the halls and, anyway, I’m also
looking at it under optimum lighting and as presented to
the audience with the intended soundtrack. Those factors
all are missing in the halls. We may want to ask other
judges for their views on this
point. Byron the
Boring

On Apr 16,
2015, at 10:03 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]
<runacc@yahoogroups.com>
wrote: This
oughtta stir some debate: 🙂 New
subject: More of our
CC memberships are being filled with the ranks of costumers
coming from the cosplay community. At conventions that
cater to that demographic, the emphasis is more about
wearing their “wow” costumes in the halls for
maximum effect. Often, the costume contests are
seemingly more about getting all their fans in one room to
cheer them on, rather than a “masquerade”.
This environment was pretty much the case in Toronto.
Don’t get me wrong – it was great having all those new
people. And I applauded efforts to try to impress our
“con culture upon all those new folks
“. I recognize
that we must reach out to these costumers for the sake of
getting new blood, but is there a risk of making too much of
an accommodation? I remember one person on Cosplay.com (a
forum that, at least USED to be, a place CC concoms should
be paying attention to) said “I spent a lot of time on
my one costume and I want to wear it as much as I
can”. So, they wore it pretty much everywhere.
They were not the only ones. Now, in some ways, I
can’t blame them for thinking that way. But, stay
with me here. Any
“wow” factor has been lost by the time they get on
stage. Chances are, the judges will have seen them at
some point, beforehand. This makes the costume less
“fresh”. It’s also not as much fun for the
judges because they’ve seen it already – part of the fun
for them is the surprise factor. I suspect
this year’s CC will feel more “old school”,
but I wonder what will happen at CC34 and subsequently, at
35? Are the
days of saving one’s competition costume for the stage
fading? Should
there be more of an effort to encourage people not to wear
their competition costume in the halls before the
masquerade?In my
opinion, you have a better masquerade without a
“preview”. Discuss!

Group: runacc Message: 2786 From: ECM Date: 4/24/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn, Elai

 

Well, yeah.  You want I should say “the Middles?”
E


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 09:10:40 -0700
Subject: RE: [runacc] Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn, Elaine

 

Yeah, cause the Midwest is so vast and confusing to people on the coasts.

Nora
——————————————–

On Fri, 4/24/15, ECM ecmami@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: RE: [runacc] Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn, Elaine

And we had three distinct camps – no, four.
The West, the East, Canada, & Everybody Else!

Elaine

To:
runacc@yahoogroups.com
From:
runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 24 Apr
2015 07:18:15 -0500
Subject: RE: [runacc]
Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn,
Elaine

As I recall, things were much more
competitive then, from what the Pettingers told
us.
Bruce From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2015 7:53 PM
To: Betsy D
Subject: RE: [runacc] Hall costumes are
becoming the Competition costumes –
Dawn

We all kept the
costumes secret, and went so far as to not even talk about
them, lest we give a potential judge – or, Ghods forbid! – a
competitor! any clues as to what to expect.  It was
actually kind of fun!  “I’ve got a
secret!”
Elaine
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 19:16:00 -0400
Subject: RE: [runacc] Hall costumes are
becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn

Thanks for the
history on that Byron. 🙂

I
had always grown up hearing Jacqui Ward talk about the great
lengths she went to in keeping her costumes seceret, so in
2003 I was  under the impression that it was at all
Worldcons and Costume-Cons.

I guess that’s the minefield when things
are guidelines rather than rules,some groups do
things one way, others another, others again something in
the middle.
When their are no absolutes
it’s easy to get roasted in the fires of public opinion
for makingunintentional faux
pas.

Dawn McKechnie
– President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of
Canada

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 18:19:35 -0400
Subject: Re: [runacc] Hall costumes are
becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn

I just checked the
Torcon 3 masquerade rules.  They did not bar hall costumes
from competing. Byron  On Apr 19, 2015, at
1:17 PM, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com
[runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:
We have here in the past, especially leading up
to Worldcon being in Toronto and again in Montreal. (I was
annoyed that at Torcon when I directly questioned people
wearing their competition costumes around in the halls all
day before the Masquerade  was told by others, “Not to
worry about it/nobody cares.” as I had always been
under the impression that it was simply not done at that
convention. >_>)

You’re not going to change an entire
culture that has big costumes in the halls for reasons I
already mentioned,
HOWEVER,we can most
certainly indicate that at Costume-Con the  EXPECTATION is
that your Masquerade costume is a
surprise,and
encourage that.
Make it something special, like when you dress
up for church.

Dawn McKechnie
– President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2015 11:17:54 -0500
Subject: RE: [runacc] Hall costumes are
becoming the Competition costumes – Dawn

I can certainly understand the reasoning – but
this (CC) is not a huge con, normally.   CC32 was an
aberration.   Even CC26 was somewhat of an aberration,
because there hadn’t been a West Coast con in so long,
and Kevin and Andy worked their butts off to promote
it. I’m wondering if we need to do some education
about the differences between “hall costumes” and
“competition costumes”? Bruce From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday,
April 18, 2015 11:09 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE:
[runacc] Hall costumes are becoming the Competition
costumes

“Are
the days of saving one’s competition costume for the
stage fading?” I do not
think so. I think, in
part, the focus on being seen as impressive in the halls it
two fold. 1) And most
notably, the big cons like some of the one here have 5
thousand, twenty thousand, even a hundred thousand
attendees. The masquerade may be limited to only twenty or
fourty or in extreme cases a hundredmasquerade
entries. There is always a scrum for the limited slots in
the masquerade, (even at a show such as Anime North where we
have a Masquerade, Skit, and a specific Workmanship
competition), and the likelihood of you GETTING to show your
impressive, stageworthy costume on stage is low. Quite
frankly  it’s a crap
shoot.  2)
Photography. In the old days, the best way of making sure
you’d have a nice picture of your really
impressivecostume was
to enter the masquerade and get a copy of the official
photography photo. Now in the advent of digital photography,
can just as likely get a nice photo with an accomplished fan
photographer elsewhere in the convention without
participating in the
masquerade. I think
therefore some people have become accustomed to wearing the
“impressive things” in the
halls.
Dawn McKechnie
– President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 21:19:42 -0400
Subject: Re: [runacc] Hall costumes are
becoming the Competition costumes

I’d like
to use a few electrons to look at how we got here.  Kevin
and Andy really are the historians of costuming, however,
and I hope they’ll chime in. In the
beginning there were hall costumes.  There were no
competition costumes because there were no competitions.
In 1939, Forry Ackerman and Morojo worse costumes Morojo
made to the very first World Science Fiction Convention
(NYCon 1).  To the best of my knowledge, no one else did
so.  Over time, as more fen began to wear them (e.g., E.E.
“Doc” Smith, who liked to dress as his Lensman
character, Kimball Kinnison), concoms began to organize
events at which they could show them off.  These were very
much masquerade parties, not stage shows.  As time went on,
opportunities were given for persons in costume to step up
to a microphone and talk about their
costume. The
popularity of costume-wearing at SF cons became so great
that, by the time the masquerade party had morphed into a
stage show, entries frequently exceed 100 in number and the
“Masquerade” could run for hours.  To reduce the size
of masquerades, MDs began to use a rule that no costume seen
in the hall before the masquerade could be entered.  This
actually was very effective in cutting the number of
masquerade entries down to a reasonable size (e.g., 50).
The first version of the ICG’s masquerade guidelines
included the suggestion that such a commonly found rule be
included.  That version was adopted by ballots counted at
the 1992 ICG annual meeting (at CC 10).  It
worked. Costume-Con
is a child of SF conventions.  Its structure is very
similar.  Like SF cons, we have programming, social events,
a dealers’ room, and competitions.  The costume exhibit
essentially is a replacement for the SF con art show.
Similar to worldcons, we bid years in advance for the
right to hold a CC and the current members vote on the
bid(s).  While we don’t have the equivalent of the Hugo
awards, the multiple competitions in a sense fill that
niche.  We give tacit recognition to local costuming clubs,
especially ICG chapters, much as local SF clubs participate
in the worldcon (especially if they hold their own local SF
conventions).  We’ve even had a Guest of Honor on
occasion (e.g., CC 33). Since the
time we included a “no hall costumes in the masquerade”
guideline in the ICG Guidelines in 1992, the wearing of hall
costumes declined in popularity at SF cons, though not so
much at CCs.  Masquerades also had gotten smaller.  That,
I believe, was the principal reason that the current ICG
Fairness Guidelines dropped that provision when they were
adopted in 2006. It was no longer needed.  It had become
common for masquerades at local and regional sf cons, and
even at worldcons, to number fewer than 25.  In 2009, for
example, the Anticipation masquerade (Montreal) had 30
entries; in 2011, the Chicon 7 masquerade had 27.
Costume-Cons followed a similar trend to smaller
masquerades.  The CC 11 SFF masquerade had 43 entries.
The CC 29 SFF masquerade had 32; the CC 31 SFF masquerade
had 31. At CC 32,
the SFF masquerade had 79 entries, 2 1/2 times the number
the year before.  This was not just because of cosplayers
attracted to the first CC in Ontario since CC 13, since even
the Historical, which is lucky to have 20 entries, had 31.
CC 32 also set a new record for memberships.  At this
point, I have absolutely no idea how much pent up costuming
energy there is for CC 33.  Ther has never been a CC in the
South and few southern SF cons have masquerades, so we may
get a lot of members and entries.  The same may be true for
34, in Madison Wisconsin, although there have been
mid-western CCs.  It may not be true for 35 in Mississauga,
only three years after 32 in
Toronto. So, should
you once again exclude hall costumes from the masquerade?
If you want to, go ahead; the MD’s word is law.  If you
believe a CC (or any other con with a masquerade) is likely
to have a very large number of members both desiring to show
hall costumes and to enter the masquerade, you may want to
do so in order to reduce the number of entries.  It worked
in the past; it may do so again.  You have other options,
however, such as restricting the availability of some
awards. “Are
the days of saving one’s competition costume for the
stage fading?”  Those days are relatively recent — only
about 20 years old.  They don’t represent the long-term
trend.  Whether that’s good or bad is up to you.  As one
experienced performance judge, I’m not much concerned
about the “wow” factor being reduced by having seen the
costume in the halls.  I generally don’t remember that
I’ve seen the costume in the halls and, anyway, I’m also
looking at it under optimum lighting and as presented to
the audience with the intended soundtrack.  Those factors
all are missing in the halls.  We may want to ask other
judges for their views on this
point. Byron the
Boring

On Apr 16,
2015, at 10:03 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]
<runacc@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:  This
oughtta stir some debate:   🙂 New
subject:  More of our
CC memberships are being filled with the ranks of costumers
coming from the cosplay community.   At conventions that
cater to that demographic, the emphasis is more about
wearing their “wow” costumes in the halls for
maximum effect.     Often, the costume contests are
seemingly more about getting all their fans in one room to
cheer them on, rather than a “masquerade”.
This environment was pretty much the case in Toronto.
Don’t get me wrong – it was great having all those new
people.   And I applauded efforts to try to impress our
“con culture upon all those new folks
“. I recognize
that we must reach out to these costumers for the sake of
getting new blood, but is there a risk of making too much of
an accommodation?   I remember one person on Cosplay.com (a
forum that, at least USED to be, a place CC concoms should
be paying attention to) said “I spent a lot of time on
my one costume and I want to wear it as much as I
can”.   So, they wore it pretty much everywhere.
They were not the only ones.   Now, in some ways, I
can’t blame them for thinking that way.   But, stay
with me here. Any
“wow” factor has been lost by the time they get on
stage.   Chances are, the judges will have seen them at
some point, beforehand.   This makes the costume less
“fresh”.   It’s also not as much fun for the
judges because they’ve seen it already – part of the fun
for them is the surprise factor.     I suspect
this year’s CC will feel more “old school”,
but I wonder what will happen at CC34 and subsequently, at
35? Are the
days of saving one’s competition costume for the stage
fading? Should
there be more of an effort to encourage people not to wear
their competition costume in the halls before the
masquerade?In my
opinion, you have a better masquerade without a
“preview”.   Discuss!

Group: runacc Message: 2787 From: staceylee25 Date: 4/25/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – photos

Re: photography…34 already has a photographer lined up. Realtime, the folks who do greenscreen who you might have seen at Teslacon. We’re going to give them all the promotion they want, so if good photos are all people want out of their costumes, then really, they can hang out in the halls and patronize Realtime all day/all weekend and never set foot on stage.

Damaging or staining a costume has been one of the things I’ve tried when exhorting people not to wear their competition costumes in the hall. Despite being one of the most logical reason, it also seems to be the one that falls on deaf ears the most, and I don’t get it. The other thing I try to explain is that competition is a time-consuming process and can be everything from boring to nerve-wracking, so if you’re not comfortable giving up your entire Saturday to the process (orientation, rehearsals, judging, sitting in the green room for hours), then don’t! But that also doesn’t seem to get through to people. Sure, there are small cons where it’s not quite as time-intensive, when they don’t have rehearsals or green room call is like five minutes before stage time, but at cons where space in the masquerade is a premium, it WILL take your Saturday away. You won’t be able to enjoy the con for more than maybe an hour around lunchtime. Putting yourself through that is worth it when the masquerade itself is worth being in (and hopefully winning a little award at), but otherwise…

Maybe I’m just getting old, too. I don’t get sitting around a green room and judging/rehearsal all day in the same costume I’ve worn for two days straight just to go out and do a little circle on the stage. I don’t get how anyone can find that thrilling.

Stace

—In runacc@yahoogroups.com, <casamai@…> wrote :

Circling back to this one, here’s a thought for CC34:

 

The statement below is an interesting thought I’d not considered.   I remember at CC32  some unaffiliated person or persons had a photo area set up in the hall, offering (free?) photos.  We’ve never really emphasized the fact that we have official photography and the fan photo runs.   Perhaps, in addition to Elaine’s and Kevin’s suggestions, the photo ops need to be emphasized.   All three things might help to cut down on seeing stuff in the halls beforehand.

 

And here’s one more we thought of this morning:  In a way, one hopes they’ve taken this into account, but, “Do you want to chance wearing your costume in the halls, only for it to fall apart in front of the Workmanship judges, or worse, even on stage?”.  

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2788 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 4/25/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – photos

 

Probably wouldn’t’ be a bad idea to have a FAQ, anyway.

Bruce

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 12:10 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [runacc] Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – photos

Re: photography…34 already has a photographer lined up. Realtime, the folks who do greenscreen who you might have seen at Teslacon. We’re going to give them all the promotion they want, so if good photos are all people want out of their costumes, then really, they can hang out in the halls and patronize Realtime all day/all weekend and never set foot on stage.

Damaging or staining a costume has been one of the things I’ve tried when exhorting people not to wear their competition costumes in the hall. Despite being one of the most logical reason, it also seems to be the one that falls on deaf ears the most, and I don’t get it. The other thing I try to explain is that competition is a time-consuming process and can be everything from boring to nerve-wracking, so if you’re not comfortable giving up your entire Saturday to the process (orientation, rehearsals, judging, sitting in the green room for hours), then don’t! But that also doesn’t seem to get through to people. Sure, there are small cons where it’s not quite as time-intensive, when they don’t have rehearsals or green room call is like five minutes before stage time, but at cons where space in the masquerade is a premium, it WILL take your Saturday away. You won’t be able to enjoy the con for more than maybe an hour around lunchtime. Putting yourself through that is worth it when the masquerade itself is worth being in (and hopefully winning a little award at), but otherwise…

Maybe I’m just getting old, too. I don’t get sitting around a green room and judging/rehearsal all day in the same costume I’ve worn for two days straight just to go out and do a little circle on the stage. I don’t get how anyone can find that thrilling.

Stace

—In runacc@yahoogroups.com, <casamai@…> wrote :

Circling back to this one, here’s a thought for CC34:

The statement below is an interesting thought I’d not considered.   I remember at CC32  some unaffiliated person or persons had a photo area set up in the hall, offering (free?) photos.  We’ve never really emphasized the fact that we have official photography and the fan photo runs.   Perhaps, in addition to Elaine’s and Kevin’s suggestions, the photo ops need to be emphasized.   All three things might help to cut down on seeing stuff in the halls beforehand.

 

And here’s one more we thought of this morning:  In a way, one hopes they’ve taken this into account, but, “Do you want to chance wearing your costume in the halls, only for it to fall apart in front of the Workmanship judges, or worse, even on stage?”. 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2789 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 4/25/2015
Subject: Competition FAQ for Costume-Cons

Okay, so Yahoo has the capacity to hold files in archive. I believe the hotel contract draft is already there. What would you put into such a FAQ, for current and future use?

And…GO!

Betsy

On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 8:38 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Probably wouldn’t’ be a bad idea to have a FAQ, anyway.

Bruce

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 12:10 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [runacc] Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – photos

Re: photography…34 already has a photographer lined up. Realtime, the folks who do greenscreen who you might have seen at Teslacon. We’re going to give them all the promotion they want, so if good photos are all people want out of their costumes, then really, they can hang out in the halls and patronize Realtime all day/all weekend and never set foot on stage.

Damaging or staining a costume has been one of the things I’ve tried when exhorting people not to wear their competition costumes in the hall. Despite being one of the most logical reason, it also seems to be the one that falls on deaf ears the most, and I don’t get it. The other thing I try to explain is that competition is a time-consuming process and can be everything from boring to nerve-wracking, so if you’re not comfortable giving up your entire Saturday to the process (orientation, rehearsals, judging, sitting in the green room for hours), then don’t! But that also doesn’t seem to get through to people. Sure, there are small cons where it’s not quite as time-intensive, when they don’t have rehearsals or green room call is like five minutes before stage time, but at cons where space in the masquerade is a premium, it WILL take your Saturday away. You won’t be able to enjoy the con for more than maybe an hour around lunchtime. Putting yourself through that is worth it when the masquerade itself is worth being in (and hopefully winning a little award at), but otherwise…

Maybe I’m just getting old, too. I don’t get sitting around a green room and judging/rehearsal all day in the same costume I’ve worn for two days straight just to go out and do a little circle on the stage. I don’t get how anyone can find that thrilling.

Stace

—In runacc@yahoogroups.com, <casamai@…> wrote :

Circling back to this one, here’s a thought for CC34:

The statement below is an interesting thought I’d not considered. I remember at CC32 some unaffiliated person or persons had a photo area set up in the hall, offering (free?) photos. We’ve never really emphasized the fact that we have official photography and the fan photo runs. Perhaps, in addition to Elaine’s and Kevin’s suggestions, the photo ops need to be emphasized. All three things might help to cut down on seeing stuff in the halls beforehand.

And here’s one more we thought of this morning: In a way, one hopes they’ve taken this into account, but, “Do you want to chance wearing your costume in the halls, only for it to fall apart in front of the Workmanship judges, or worse, even on stage?”.


Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2790 From: Byron Connell Date: 4/26/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – photos

I like that idea.  We could make it available to concoms to post on their web sites.

Byron
On Apr 25, 2015, at 8:38 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Probably wouldn’t’ be a bad idea to have a FAQ, anyway.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 12:10 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [runacc] Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – photos



Re: photography…34 already has a photographer lined up. Realtime, the folks who do greenscreen who you might have seen at Teslacon. We’re going to give them all the promotion they want, so if good photos are all people want out of their costumes, then really, they can hang out in the halls and patronize Realtime all day/all weekend and never set foot on stage.

Damaging or staining a costume has been one of the things I’ve tried when exhorting people not to wear their competition costumes in the hall. Despite being one of the most logical reason, it also seems to be the one that falls on deaf ears the most, and I don’t get it. The other thing I try to explain is that competition is a time-consuming process and can be everything from boring to nerve-wracking, so if you’re not comfortable giving up your entire Saturday to the process (orientation, rehearsals, judging, sitting in the green room for hours), then don’t! But that also doesn’t seem to get through to people. Sure, there are small cons where it’s not quite as time-intensive, when they don’t have rehearsals or green room call is like five minutes before stage time, but at cons where space in the masquerade is a premium, it WILL take your Saturday away. You won’t be able to enjoy the con for more than maybe an hour around lunchtime. Putting yourself through that is worth it when the masquerade itself is worth being in (and hopefully winning a little award at), but otherwise…

Maybe I’m just getting old, too. I don’t get sitting around a green room and judging/rehearsal all day in the same costume I’ve worn for two days straight just to go out and do a little circle on the stage. I don’t get how anyone can find that thrilling.

Stace



—In runacc@yahoogroups.com, <casamai@…> wrote :

Circling back to this one, here’s a thought for CC34:

 

The statement below is an interesting thought I’d not considered.   I remember at CC32  some unaffiliated person or persons had a photo area set up in the hall, offering (free?) photos.  We’ve never really emphasized the fact that we have official photography and the fan photo runs.   Perhaps, in addition to Elaine’s and Kevin’s suggestions, the photo ops need to be emphasized.   All three things might help to cut down on seeing stuff in the halls beforehand.

 

And here’s one more we thought of this morning:  In a way, one hopes they’ve taken this into account, but, “Do you want to chance wearing your costume in the halls, only for it to fall apart in front of the Workmanship judges, or worse, even on stage?”.   

  




 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2791 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 4/27/2015
Subject: Re: Competition FAQ for Costume-Cons

 

Did you ever track down the document we did after CC16?

Bruce

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 7:43 PM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: [runacc] Competition FAQ for Costume-Cons

Okay, so Yahoo has the capacity to hold files in archive. I believe the hotel contract draft is already there. What would you put into such a FAQ, for current and future use?

And…GO!

Betsy

On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 8:38 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Probably wouldn’t’ be a bad idea to have a FAQ, anyway.

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 12:10 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [runacc] Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes – photos

Re: photography…34 already has a photographer lined up. Realtime, the folks who do greenscreen who you might have seen at Teslacon. We’re going to give them all the promotion they want, so if good photos are all people want out of their costumes, then really, they can hang out in the halls and patronize Realtime all day/all weekend and never set foot on stage.

Damaging or staining a costume has been one of the things I’ve tried when exhorting people not to wear their competition costumes in the hall. Despite being one of the most logical reason, it also seems to be the one that falls on deaf ears the most, and I don’t get it. The other thing I try to explain is that competition is a time-consuming process and can be everything from boring to nerve-wracking, so if you’re not comfortable giving up your entire Saturday to the process (orientation, rehearsals, judging, sitting in the green room for hours), then don’t! But that also doesn’t seem to get through to people. Sure, there are small cons where it’s not quite as time-intensive, when they don’t have rehearsals or green room call is like five minutes before stage time, but at cons where space in the masquerade is a premium, it WILL take your Saturday away. You won’t be able to enjoy the con for more than maybe an hour around lunchtime. Putting yourself through that is worth it when the masquerade itself is worth being in (and hopefully winning a little award at), but otherwise…

Maybe I’m just getting old, too. I don’t get sitting around a green room and judging/rehearsal all day in the same costume I’ve worn for two days straight just to go out and do a little circle on the stage. I don’t get how anyone can find that thrilling.

Stace

—In runacc@yahoogroups.com, <casamai@…> wrote :

Circling back to this one, here’s a thought for CC34:

The statement below is an interesting thought I’d not considered.   I remember at CC32  some unaffiliated person or persons had a photo area set up in the hall, offering (free?) photos.  We’ve never really emphasized the fact that we have official photography and the fan photo runs.   Perhaps, in addition to Elaine’s and Kevin’s suggestions, the photo ops need to be emphasized.   All three things might help to cut down on seeing stuff in the halls beforehand.

 And here’s one more we thought of this morning:  In a way, one hopes they’ve taken this into account, but, “Do you want to chance wearing your costume in the halls, only for it to fall apart in front of the Workmanship judges, or worse, even on stage?”.  

 

Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2792 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 4/27/2015
Subject: Survey – (was Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes…

So, our “knitting circle” (re: costuming nerds) were talking about this yesterday, and my theory was regarding specifically younger costumer/cosplayers, is that they make several costumes a year, so they’re not in the mindset to wear their stage outfits the following year in the halls like many in our community do Nora disagreed, saying it’s more like 1 or 2.

 So for those of you who are closer to the ground like the MACS and Dawn, etc, what are your observations? Am I wrong? I’ve had the impression, from FB and forums, because there are so many anime/media conventions, that they are producing at least 3 costumes a year. Maybe they’re not competition-level? I intend to throw this question out on the D list, FB and Cosplay.com, to get a better feel of it for future discussion.

 Bruce

 

Group: runacc Message: 2793 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 4/27/2015
Subject: Re: Survey – (was Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costume

many of the ‘celeb’ cosplayers sure make 12 a year, but they are not all what the old guard would consider stage worthy.
Boo from Monsters inc, is a t shirt wig and bike shorts,

not that some of the things they produce aren’t amazing, just the numbers get inflated by simpler ‘cosplay’ costuming

and I am sure that everyday normal cosplayers do this as well. 1-2 killer pieces, then a bunch of fun stuff.

there’s even a movement to be disney characters from the thrift with no sewing involved at all. just het the colors right.

none of this takes away from the times they throw down and do wonderful work that would win on stage in any era

but they dont make 12 of those a year.

and this is not new at all

I recall an old costume apa article by karen turner ( may have been schnaubelt then ) saying she did 12-15 a year. the ones we all remember from the old VHS tapes, and the rest were 1 weekend pretty star trek dresses. So she always had something new and nice to wear, but they weren’t all “turn of a friendly card”

Ricky

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On Mon, 4/27/15, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [runacc] Survey – (was Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes…)
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, April 27, 2015, 8:29 AM

So, our
“knitting circle” (re: costuming nerds) were
talking about this yesterday, and my theory was regarding
specifically younger costumer/cosplayers, is that they make
several costumes a year, so they’re not in the mindset
to wear their stage outfits the following year in the halls
like many in our community do Nora disagreed, saying
it’s more like 1 or 2. So for those of you
who are closer to the ground like the MACS and Dawn, etc,
what are your observations? Am I wrong? I’ve had
the impression, from FB and forums, because there are so
many anime/media conventions, that they are producing at
least 3 costumes a year. Maybe they’re not
competition-level? I intend to throw this question out
on the D list, FB and Cosplay.com, to get a better feel of
it for future discussion. Bruce

Group: runacc Message: 2794 From: spiritof_76 Date: 4/27/2015
Subject: Re: Survey – (was Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costume

I know cosplayers who may make 3 costumes per convention, then sell them
after they’ve worn them a few times.

Michael

On 2015-04-27 06:29, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]
wrote:

> So, our “knitting circle” (re: costuming nerds) were talking about
> this yesterday, and my theory was regarding specifically younger
> costumer/cosplayers, is that they make several costumes a year, so
> they’re not in the mindset to wear their stage outfits the following
> year in the halls like many in our community do Nora disagreed,
> saying it’s more like 1 or 2.
>
> So for those of you who are closer to the ground like the MACS and
> Dawn, etc, what are your observations? Am I wrong? I’ve had
> the impression, from FB and forums, because there are so many
> anime/media conventions, that they are producing at least 3 costumes
> a year. Maybe they’re not competition-level? I intend to throw
> this question out on the D list, FB and Cosplay.com, to get a better
> feel of it for future discussion.
>
> Bruce

 

Group: runacc Message: 2795 From: Kaijugal . Date: 4/27/2015
Subject: Re: Survey – (was Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costume

From observation it breaks out into 3 distinct groups in the Anime North Community.

1) The people who work toward and have what they consider a “Stageworthy” costume and have constructed it specifically for the Masquerade. They wear it for the masquerade, and then in the halls later or in subsequent years.

They may or may not have a couple of other “hall costumes”/”easy costumes” /”throw away”/”for fun” costumes etc that they never intend to put on stage, unless it’s for a joke, or as a prop bit.

2) The people who make costumes specifically for the halls, often many of them. They might not be interested in the masquerade at all. Sometimes people will simpler costumes might enter the Skit Contest, (Where the focus is the play, not the costuming, and we allow purchases and commissioned costumes and other things that are not allowed in the masquerade.).

On occasion a group of “hall costumers” who’s costumes comprise a large portion of a cast from a popular show, e.g. Naruto, Bleach, Dragonball Z, etc, will suddenly be inspired to enter the masquerade because a large ensemble group usually looks impressive even if the costumes are relatively simple.

3) Lifestylers & fashionistas. (Steampunk, Gothic & Lolita, J-Street Style, Gangaro, etc). They rarely enter the skit or the masquerade, but often have elaborate clothing/costumes.

Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 07:29:26 -0500
Subject: [runacc] Survey – (was Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes…)

So, our “knitting circle” (re: costuming nerds) were talking about this yesterday, and my theory was regarding specifically younger costumer/cosplayers, is that they make several costumes a year, so they’re not in the mindset to wear their stage outfits the following year in the halls like many in our community do   Nora disagreed, saying it’s more like 1 or 2.

 So for those of you who are closer to the ground like the MACS and Dawn, etc, what are your observations?   Am I wrong?   I’ve had the impression, from FB and forums, because there are so many anime/media conventions, that they are  producing at least 3 costumes a year.   Maybe they’re not competition-level?   I intend to throw this question out on the D list, FB and Cosplay.com, to get a better feel of it for future discussion.

Bruce

 

Group: runacc Message: 2796 From: Vicky Young Date: 4/27/2015
Subject: Re: Survey – (was Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costume

 

I believe the phenomenon we have going on here in Wisconsin (and maybe the Midwest in general) is pretty similar to what Dawn is observing at Anime North. There seems to be the same different groups of costumers. Those who gear their costumes more toward competition typically make fewer costumes per year than their “hall-only” peers. 
That being said, I do think there is a trend among the younger (or perhaps, just the newer-to-competition) crowd, to make a new costume for every convention and take it on stage, regardless of whether it’s “competition-worthy” or not. I was guilty of this myself, in my younger days, and I know a few local costumers who go on stage with a new piece at every single con. I’m not sure if this is something that has evolved out of the rising popularity of Masquerades/costume contests in general, or if it’s just a product enthusiasm. It seems to be more of a phase than anything, as they either stop doing that to themselves and focus on one project at a time, or they retire from the competition scene all together. 
Vicky

 

On Monday, April 27, 2015 5:36 PM, “‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

From observation it breaks out into 3 distinct groups in the Anime North Community.

1) The people who work toward and have what they consider a “Stageworthy” costume and have constructed it specifically for the Masquerade. They wear it for the masquerade, and then in the halls later or in subsequent years.

  They may or may not have a couple of other “hall costumes”/”easy costumes” /”throw away”/”for fun” costumes etc that they never intend to put on stage, unless it’s for a joke, or as a prop bit.

2) The people who make costumes specifically for the halls, often many of them. They might not be interested in the masquerade at all. Sometimes people will simpler costumes might enter the Skit Contest, (Where the focus is the play, not the costuming, and we allow purchases and commissioned costumes and other things that are not allowed in the masquerade.).

On occasion a group of “hall costumers” who’s costumes comprise a large portion of a cast from a popular show, e.g. Naruto, Bleach, Dragonball Z, etc, will suddenly be inspired to enter the masquerade because a large ensemble group usually looks impressive even if the costumes are relatively simple.

3) Lifestylers & fashionistas. (Steampunk, Gothic & Lolita, J-Street Style, Gangaro, etc). They rarely enter the skit or the masquerade, but often have elaborate clothing/costumes.


Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada




To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 07:29:26 -0500
Subject: [runacc] Survey – (was Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes…)

 

 

So, our “knitting circle” (re: costuming nerds) were talking about this yesterday, and my theory was regarding specifically younger costumer/cosplayers, is that they make several costumes a year, so they’re not in the mindset to wear their stage outfits the following year in the halls like many in our community do   Nora disagreed, saying it’s more like 1 or 2.
 
So for those of you who are closer to the ground like the MACS and Dawn, etc, what are your observations?   Am I wrong?   I’ve had the impression, from FB and forums, because there are so many anime/media conventions, that they are  producing at least 3 costumes a year.   Maybe they’re not competition-level?   I intend to throw this question out on the D list, FB and Cosplay.com, to get a better feel of it for future discussion.
 
Bruce

 

Group: runacc Message: 2797 From: markptjan Date: 4/27/2015
Subject: Re: Survey – (was Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costume

As someone who’s speaking from almost entirely the Anime/Gaming/Multigenre costuming and convention-running perspective, there’s really no perception of “competition-worthy”. That doesn’t formally exist in such conventions and is looked on as a bit snobbish (YMMV).

I think it’s important to acknowledge that the general public of cosplayers/costumers (however you orient) don’t largely care about arbitrary ideas about whether or not a costume is seen prior to the Masquerade. DragonCon doesn’t care, Anime North doesn’t care, Otakon doesn’t care, Otakuthon doesn’t care, Anime Boston doesn’t care, etc etc. Heck, I’ve yet to see a Comiccon that cares.
After all, what’s actually in it for contestants? By and large, if one were to argue the bare bones, it’s a horse ribbon and bragging rights. Most of these people understand, respect, and enjoy costuming, but won’t be beholden to such rules if the stakes are supposed to be friendly and genial.
It’s similar to how some fannish conventions try to limit the type of costumes which appear. Doctor Who may not be anime, but the majority certainly doesn’t care. At the end of the day, an enterprising cosplayer will simply augment the costume or find some obscure manga/anime reference to Doctor Who to justify things if they have to. Conventions which try to enforce this kind of thing are usually ignored or mocked, and don’t really further an inclusive atmosphere.
Back to the actual topic though: I don’t think we would support any ban on wearing costumes prior to the Masquerade. In my view, at least, it seems like an unnecessary restriction.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2798 From: staceylee25 Date: 4/28/2015
Subject: Re: Survey – (was Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costume

Pretty much what Vicky said. Now, I haven’t gone to a large anime con in years (AnimeCentral, Anime Detour) but when people are talking about churning out 3-8 costumes a year, they’re talking about hall costumes. They want to have things specifically for series/fandom photoshoots and to fill spots in groups with friends, for the most part. But sometimes these hall costumes do end up on stage, whether on a whim or because the masquerade simply exists.

As to the idea that the big cons “don’t care” if you wear your stage costume in the halls? Not always true. At Dragon*Con there is an entirely different culture of costuming, it really can’t be compared to most cons we regularly attend. It’s a special monster. Some of the big anime cons have all-day pre-judging so you’re FORCED to wear your costume in the halls, even for a little bit, something I personally abhor with every fiber of my being. But competition at these same places can be cutthroat. People will lie about commissions, fight for the coveted spots in the show, sandbag with costumes that’ve already won Best in Show elsewhere, etc.

What’s in it for the cosplayers? Sure, winning is “just” a ribbon and a certificate some places, but some places it’s swag. Some places it’s a large trophy (I have 5 sitting on my mantle across the room). So if it’s “just” a certificate, why the vicious competition? Don’t blame Heroes of Cosplay, it was around before that pile of fake drama. Competition is still a thing, in people’s minds, so to dismiss something as simple as “don’t damage your costume or prejudice the judges” as unnecessary isn’t taking the whole picture into account. We’ve all collectively listed a lot of great reasons not to wear your competition piece all weekend, and “we’ve seen it already, it’s boring” is the LEAST of those reasons.

The reason I advocate a rule or at least a guideline is because in a lot of cases, cultivating a habit or a new (old) way of doing things takes time, patience, and a lot of one-on-one handholding. I would say Geek-kon needed at least 5 years of the costume department and masq. directors diligently sticking to their guns and slogging through a routine before people started to catch on that the masquerade is more fun and interesting when you bring your biggest, shiniest thing and really put some effort into it versus wearing closet-raided Naruto costumes and making out with your gf on stage. Actual example, not making that up. But that routine included requiring rehearsals and checking with people before handing them a hall cosplay award for the same costume they were taking to the masquerade. Having rules in place speeds it up – without rules, that transition would have taken a lot more than 5 years.

I don’t know that we’re ever going to come to a consensus but at least understanding where everyone is coming from is important. Plus, it’s very hard to blanket-statement any of this. Every region has different habits and traditions. What flies at Anime Boston is gauche at Anime Detour, and what’s passe on the coasts is still really popular in the Midwest. To a point, we have to let regional cons do what works in their region. But there are some things that aren’t a bad idea to attempt to universally adopt, and that’s why we argue on this list. 🙂

Stace

—In runacc@yahoogroups.com, <astra2000@…> wrote :

I believe the phenomenon we have going on here in Wisconsin (and maybe the Midwest in general) is pretty similar to what Dawn is observing at Anime North. There seems to be the same different groups of costumers. Those who gear their costumes more toward competition typically make fewer costumes per year than their “hall-only” peers. 
That being said, I do think there is a trend among the younger (or perhaps, just the newer-to-competition) crowd, to make a new costume for every convention and take it on stage, regardless of whether it’s “competition-worthy” or not. I was guilty of this myself, in my younger days, and I know a few local costumers who go on stage with a new piece at every single con. I’m not sure if this is something that has evolved out of the rising popularity of Masquerades/costume contests in general, or if it’s just a product enthusiasm. It seems to be more of a phase than anything, as they either stop doing that to themselves and focus on one project at a time, or they retire from the competition scene all together. 
Vicky

 

Group: runacc Message: 2799 From: herself-the-elf@rogers.com Date: 4/28/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes

I don’t think we need to bemoan the
death of tradition. We have to face the fact that costuming has
evolved and that the vast majority of costumers today have come into
the hobby through cosplay. The cons they go to are media and anime
cons. That’s the style of con they’re used to, and it’s not wrong
just because it’s new. Some of those cons have masquerades/cosplay
contests that are poorly run. Some are very well-run. It’s not a Canada
phenomenon, it’s a new-generation phenomenon. Across North America
there are hundreds of large media & anime cons with thousands of
costumers attending. As someone who attends both types of con (older
SF model and newer media/anime model) I often feel caught in the
middle and frustrated with both camps.

If we want CC to survive, to stay
relevant, it needs to evolve and adapt in turn to reflect where
costuming is now. I’m not saying it needs to turn into a media or
anime con, because that’s not the kind of con it is. But some change
is inevitable and necessary to connect with where most costumers are
right now, what they’re expecting and what they’re used to. We can
teach them about costuming tradition while also keeping an open mind
and, importantly, being willing to learn ourselves. Costuming has
exploded in popularity and so much has changed. Rejecting any change
only hurts CC and ensures that it’ll dwindle and fade, and I really
don’t want that to happen. I think we can all play together nicely if
everyone keeps an open mind.

Re: the original topic, it’s a valid point that CC isn’t a
50,000 person con where there’s no way for you to see everyone in the
halls, where your chances of getting onstage are slim, so people tend to aim for hall photoshoots. I get that, but I personally don’t think it needs to be a hard (i.e disqualifiable) rule to keep your
costume secret before the masquerade. It hasn’t always been even at CC/Worldcon, and I think that enforcing it will only cause drama. I do think
that it should be heavily encouraged that people save their “Wow”
costumes for the masquerade, with explanations as to why. A lot of
people already do this and with some work and reinforcement I think
we can get the message across without turning off newcomers.

— Maral Agnerian

 

Group: runacc Message: 2800 From: grizzy1955 Date: 4/28/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes

(Queues song “Tradition” from FIDDLER ON THE ROOF…)

I think we’re all aware that media con and anime con “con culture” is very different from general science fiction con and Costume-Con “con culture.”

At Dragon*Con and anime cons, it’s all about being seen in the halls, hanging out with other cosplayers, and doing photoshoots. Frankly, this is less stressful then competing in a stage competition where you might actually lose. You also get to be in the costume/character you love for a longer period of time if you’re hanging out in the halls. I can see the plus side of this.

I believe the emphasis on hall costuming vs. competition costuming exists because (1) it’s more fun and less stressful, and (2) this is the generation where everyone gets a gold star just for participating, (3) this is the generation that grew up on anime and Japanese culture, where competition is discouraged for the benefit of the overall group, and (4) some percentage of the costumes are not made by wearer (e.g., they cobbled it together from thrift store clothing, or commissioned someone else to make it for them, or bought a commercially-produced costume online.

Costume-Con grew out of the World Science Fiction masquerade and the make-it-yourself movement of the 1960’s and 1970’s, and has always had strong competition-based roots. Yes, there are “standard” competitions that are written into the ConStitution, but we try to offer a variety of competitions, and encourage each concom to try other types of competitions and events, in order to appeal to a wide variety of tastes. Maybe the Historical competition is too scary, but drawing designs on paper is your thing, or making cool clothes for your dolls, or whatever.

Masquerade rules have not been standardized over the years, and have been at the discretion of each Masquerade Director. Can anyone give me an example where wearing your competition costume in the halls before the competition was explicitly forbidden? My memory of this (which may be inaccurate) is that it has always been put forth as a strongly worded suggestion. As others have pointed out, the more people that see a costume before a competition, the less the element of surprise and pleasure at seeing it for the first time, which may affect the perception of both the audience and the judges. If the competitor doesn’t care and wants to wear their costume in the halls, that’s their prerogative.

Fashion Show is a separate case, because those costumes are special, and seeing them in the halls (or entered in the F&S/F masquerade the night before) is generally considered a no-no. The Fashion Show costumes entered in the Masquerade issue occurred at the very first convention I attended, and it left a lasting impression of impropriety. Again, if you’ve seen it in the halls or in a previous competition, then there is no incentive to attend the Fashion Show and see the design-to-reality magic on stage. And again, I’m not sure if there has ever been a specific proscription spelled out in the rules for Fashion Show participation.
I’m not saying we need a level of paranoid secrecy equal to what was going on at Worldcon in the 80’s, but cosplayers do need to be aware that if they wear their costume in the halls all weekend and also decide to compete it, they may not do as well in competition due to “costume fatigue” (i.e., the judges saying, “Oh, we’ve seen that before.”) This is human nature, and cannot be helped unless we completely sequester the judges all weekend until it is time to judge their event (which is not practical).

The fact is that Costume-Con is a general costuming convention with classes and competitions, and is unique as such. It has not significantly altered its base structure as other trends in costuming have come and gone, and should not now to appeal to groups involved in cosplay, steampunk, etc.  (The world doesn’t need another media/cosplay convention; there are already plenty that do that very well.) However, I do think there is room to maintain the existing base structure of Costume-Con while adding events on a con-by-con basis that might appeal more to cosplayers or other groups.

My two cents.

–Karen

 

Group: runacc Message: 2801 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 4/28/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes

 

On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 3:36 PM, castleb@atlanticbb.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Masquerade rules have not been standardized over the years, and have been at the discretion of each Masquerade Director. Can anyone give me an example where wearing your competition costume in the halls before the competition was explicitly forbidden? My memory of this (which may be inaccurate) is that it has always been put forth as a strongly worded suggestion. As others have pointed out, the more people that see a costume before a competition, the less the element of surprise and pleasure at seeing it for the first time, which may affect the perception of both the audience and the judges. If the competitor doesn’t care and wants to wear their costume in the halls, that’s their prerogative.

Fashion Show is a separate case, because those costumes are special, and seeing them in the halls (or entered in the F&S/F masquerade the night before) is generally considered a no-no. The Fashion Show costumes entered in the Masquerade issue occurred at the very first convention I attended, and it left a lasting impression of impropriety. Again, if you’ve seen it in the halls or in a previous competition, then there is no incentive to attend the Fashion Show and see the design-to-reality magic on stage. And again, I’m not sure if there has ever been a specific proscription spelled out in the rules for Fashion Show participation.

Competitions have rules. If you want to compete, you have to follow the rules. If a masquerade director or con chair feels strongly enough, maybe this needs to move from a “suggestion” to a “rule.”

I kind of like the “A costume worn in the halls other than to transport it and yourself to the green room is not eligible for Best in Show” is a nice compromise. You can enter, but if you want the biggest big ribbon, you need to keep it under wraps.

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2802 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 4/30/2015
Subject: Re: Survey – (was Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costume

 

 

Getting back to the discussion late:

 

Re (With apologies to the Honey Badger) “cosplayers don’t care”. Reading the discussion and drawing from my own experience, I can certainly understand the mindset of there being less of a sense of “competition-worthy” costumes, but Stace’s comments give me some insight into the perception. So, it’s not so much “onstage competition-worthy” – that energy is less focused on masquerade competition and more about impressing their peers and the public in the halls. There’s apparently still a healthy sense of competition among a certain percentage of costumer/cosplayers, though. Nonetheless, there are “horror stories” of the ones that lie about their workmanship, etc. (Andy has a very notorious example of that).

 

Now, at these large media cons mentioned (Dragon Con, AN, etc.) , their shows are more “costume contests and maybe they don’t carethis is Costume-Con. Costume-Con has masquerades. The con has its own culture, and should be recognized as unique in its focus. Yes, it should be inclusive, but I think it does a disservice to new people to assume they are not willing to learn about how a different con works.

Re: Awards – Those “horse ribbons” represent more at CC. Sure, the big cons have all sorts of prizes, etc. But at CC, they represent recognition by their peers that they are respected for their efforts. That shouldn’t be underestimated. And for a lot of people, that respect is more important to them because their labors of love are acknowledged. I know – I have seen the excitement and tears when they get called up on stage.

 

An additional thought or two: One thing that sets CC apart is the opportunity to have a tech rehearsal. I fully understand the decisions made by the CC32 tech crew to abbreviate times (or outright deny time to some) for completely valid logistical reasons, due to the number of entries. I just hope that’s not a precedent set. New people are always amazed and thankful for the time to walk the stage with Tech. And frankly, that’s probably only a danger when we’re back in San Diego and Toronto. Hopefully, aware of CC32’s experience, those bigger cons will plan accordingly.

 Ultimately, it’s still the prerogative of each MD, or concom, to set the costume policy. Should CC34 adopt the suggestions made on this list, it will be interesting to see what impact it has on the hall costumes as well as the quality of the masquerade(s). It’s is an opportunity to “make new mistakes!”, as pas CC con staff have frequently exhorted the concoms that follow to do.

 For my part, I’m actually glad to know what the policy for Toronto will be – I think it might give me a slight advantage over many of my fellow competitors. 🙂

 Bruce

On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 3:36 PM, castleb@atlanticbb.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Masquerade rules have not been standardized over the years, and have been at the discretion of each Masquerade Director. Can anyone give me an example where wearing your competition costume in the halls before the competition was explicitly forbidden? My memory of this (which may be inaccurate) is that it has always been put forth as a strongly worded suggestion. As others have pointed out, the more people that see a costume before a competition, the less the element of surprise and pleasure at seeing it for the first time, which may affect the perception of both the audience and the judges. If the competitor doesn’t care and wants to wear their costume in the halls, that’s their prerogative.

Fashion Show is a separate case, because those costumes are special, and seeing them in the halls (or entered in the F&S/F masquerade the night before) is generally considered a no-no. The Fashion Show costumes entered in the Masquerade issue occurred at the very first convention I attended, and it left a lasting impression of impropriety. Again, if you’ve seen it in the halls or in a previous competition, then there is no incentive to attend the Fashion Show and see the design-to-reality magic on stage. And again, I’m not sure if there has ever been a specific proscription spelled out in the rules for Fashion Show participation.

Competitions have rules. If you want to compete, you have to follow the rules. If a masquerade director or con chair feels strongly enough, maybe this needs to move from a “suggestion” to a “rule.”

I kind of like the “A costume worn in the halls other than to transport it and yourself to the green room is not eligible for Best in Show” is a nice compromise. You can enter, but if you want the biggest big ribbon, you need to keep it under wraps.

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 11:39 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Survey – (was Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes…)

Pretty much what Vicky said. Now, I haven’t gone to a large anime con in years (AnimeCentral, Anime Detour) but when people are talking about churning out 3-8 costumes a year, they’re talking about hall costumes. They want to have things specifically for series/fandom photoshoots and to fill spots in groups with friends, for the most part. But sometimes these hall costumes do end up on stage, whether on a whim or because the masquerade simply exists.

As to the idea that the big cons “don’t care” if you wear your stage costume in the halls? Not always true. At Dragon*Con there is an entirely different culture of costuming, it really can’t be compared to most cons we regularly attend. It’s a special monster. Some of the big anime cons have all-day pre-judging so you’re FORCED to wear your costume in the halls, even for a little bit, something I personally abhor with every fiber of my being. But competition at these same places can be cutthroat. People will lie about commissions, fight for the coveted spots in the show, sandbag with costumes that’ve already won Best in Show elsewhere, etc.

What’s in it for the cosplayers? Sure, winning is “just” a ribbon and a certificate some places, but some places it’s swag. Some places it’s a large trophy (I have 5 sitting on my mantle across the room). So if it’s “just” a certificate, why the vicious competition? Don’t blame Heroes of Cosplay, it was around before that pile of fake drama. Competition is still a thing, in people’s minds, so to dismiss something as simple as “don’t damage your costume or prejudice the judges” as unnecessary isn’t taking the whole picture into account. We’ve all collectively listed a lot of great reasons not to wear your competition piece all weekend, and “we’ve seen it already, it’s boring” is the LEAST of those reasons.

The reason I advocate a rule or at least a guideline is because in a lot of cases, cultivating a habit or a new (old) way of doing things takes time, patience, and a lot of one-on-one handholding. I would say Geek-kon needed at least 5 years of the costume department and masq. directors diligently sticking to their guns and slogging through a routine before people started to catch on that the masquerade is more fun and interesting when you bring your biggest, shiniest thing and really put some effort into it versus wearing closet-raided Naruto costumes and making out with your gf on stage. Actual example, not making that up. But that routine included requiring rehearsals and checking with people before handing them a hall cosplay award for the same costume they were taking to the masquerade. Having rules in place speeds it up – without rules, that transition would have taken a lot more than 5 years.

I don’t know that we’re ever going to come to a consensus but at least understanding where everyone is coming from is important. Plus, it’s very hard to blanket-statement any of this. Every region has different habits and traditions. What flies at Anime Boston is gauche at Anime Detour, and what’s passe on the coasts is still really popular in the Midwest. To a point, we have to let regional cons do what works in their region. But there are some things that aren’t a bad idea to attempt to universally adopt, and that’s why we argue on this list. 🙂

Stace

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From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 8:51 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Survey – (was Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes…)

As someone who’s speaking from almost entirely the Anime/Gaming/Multigenre costuming and convention-running perspective, there’s really no perception of “competition-worthy”. That doesn’t formally exist in such conventions and is looked on as a bit snobbish (YMMV).

I think it’s important to acknowledge that the general public of cosplayers/costumers (however you orient) don’t largely care about arbitrary ideas about whether or not a costume is seen prior to the Masquerade. DragonCon doesn’t care, Anime North doesn’t care, Otakon doesn’t care, Otakuthon doesn’t care, Anime Boston doesn’t care, etc etc. Heck, I’ve yet to see a Comiccon that cares.

After all, what’s actually in it for contestants? By and large, if one were to argue the bare bones, it’s a horse ribbon and bragging rights. Most of these people understand, respect, and enjoy costuming, but won’t be beholden to such rules if the stakes are supposed to be friendly and genial.

It’s similar to how some fannish conventions try to limit the type of costumes which appear. Doctor Who may not be anime, but the majority certainly doesn’t care. At the end of the day, an enterprising cosplayer will simply augment the costume or find some obscure manga/anime reference to Doctor Who to justify things if they have to. Conventions which try to enforce this kind of thing are usually ignored or mocked, and don’t really further an inclusive atmosphere.

Back to the actual topic though: I don’t think we would support any ban on wearing costumes prior to the Masquerade. In my view, at least, it seems like an unnecessary restriction.


Posted by: admin@conbravo.com

 

Group: runacc Message: 2803 From: Kaijugal . Date: 5/2/2015
Subject: Re: Survey – (was Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costume
Bruce Mai wrote:


“Now, at these large media cons mentioned (Dragon Con, AN, etc.) , their shows are more “costume contests
 and maybe they don’t care  – this is Costume-Con.   Costume-Con has masquerades.”

 
—–
No Bruce,

At Anime North we have a MASQUERADE  just so, ( with same emphasis to make point).
 
To say we don’t, or don’t care, it just straight up being rude.


Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 19:43:41 -0500
Subject: RE: [runacc] Survey – (was Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes…)

 

 

Getting back to the discussion late:

 

Re (With apologies to the Honey Badger) “cosplayers don’t care”.    Reading the discussion and drawing from my own experience, I can certainly understand the mindset of there being less of a  sense of “competition-worthy” costumes, but Stace’s comments give me some insight into the perception.  So, it’s not so much “onstage competition-worthy” – that energy is less focused on masquerade competition and more about impressing their peers and the public in the halls.     There’s apparently still a healthy sense of competition among a certain percentage of costumer/cosplayers, though.   Nonetheless, there are  “horror stories” of the ones that lie about their workmanship, etc.   (Andy has a very notorious example of that).

 

Now, at these large media cons mentioned (Dragon Con, AN, etc.) , their shows are more “costume contests and maybe they don’t care  – this is Costume-Con.   Costume-Con has masquerades.   The con has its own culture, and should be recognized as unique in its focus.   Yes, it should be inclusive, but I think it does a disservice to new people to assume they are not  willing to learn about how a different con works.

    

Re: Awards – Those “horse ribbons” represent more at CC.  Sure, the big cons have all sorts of prizes, etc.   But at CC, they represent recognition by their peers that they are respected for their efforts.   That shouldn’t be underestimated.   And for a lot of people, that respect is more important to them because their labors of love are acknowledged.    I know –  I have seen the excitement and tears when they get called up on stage. 

 

An additional thought or two: One thing that sets CC apart is the opportunity to have a tech rehearsal.   I fully understand the decisions made by the CC32 tech crew to abbreviate times (or outright deny time to some) for completely valid logistical reasons, due to the number of entries.   I just hope that’s not a precedent set.   New people are always amazed and thankful for the time to walk the stage with Tech.  And frankly, that’s probably only a danger when we’re back in San Diego and Toronto.    Hopefully, aware of CC32’s experience, those bigger cons will  plan accordingly.

 

Ultimately, it’s still the prerogative of each MD, or concom, to set the costume policy.    Should CC34 adopt the suggestions made on this list, it will be interesting to see what impact it has on the hall costumes as well as the quality of the masquerade(s).  It’s is an opportunity to “make new mistakes!”, as pas CC con staff have frequently exhorted  the concoms that follow to do.

 

For my part, I’m actually glad to know what the policy for Toronto will be – I think it might give me a slight advantage over many of my fellow competitors.  🙂

 

Bruce

 

 

 

 

On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 3:36 PM, castleb@atlanticbb.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Masquerade rules have not been standardized over the years, and have been at the discretion of each Masquerade Director. Can anyone give me an example where wearing your competition costume in the halls before the competition was explicitly forbidden? My memory of this (which may be inaccurate) is that it has always been put forth as a strongly worded suggestion. As others have pointed out, the more people that see a costume before a competition, the less the element of surprise and pleasure at seeing it for the first time, which may affect the perception of both the audience and the judges. If the competitor doesn’t care and wants to wear their costume in the halls, that’s their prerogative.

Fashion Show is a separate case, because those costumes are special, and seeing them in the halls (or entered in the F&S/F masquerade the night before) is generally considered a no-no. The Fashion Show costumes entered in the Masquerade issue occurred at the very first convention I attended, and it left a lasting impression of impropriety. Again, if you’ve seen it in the halls or in a previous competition, then there is no incentive to attend the Fashion Show and see the design-to-reality magic on stage. And again, I’m not sure if there has ever been a specific proscription spelled out in the rules for Fashion Show participation.

Competitions have rules. If you want to compete, you have to follow the rules. If a masquerade director or con chair feels strongly enough, maybe this needs to move from a “suggestion” to a “rule.”

I kind of like the “A costume worn in the halls other than to transport it and yourself to the green room is not eligible for Best in Show” is a nice compromise. You can enter, but if you want the biggest big ribbon, you need to keep it under wraps.

 

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 11:39 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Survey – (was Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes…)

Pretty much what Vicky said. Now, I haven’t gone to a large anime con in years (AnimeCentral, Anime Detour) but when people are talking about churning out 3-8 costumes a year, they’re talking about hall costumes. They want to have things specifically for series/fandom photoshoots and to fill spots in groups with friends, for the most part. But sometimes these hall costumes do end up on stage, whether on a whim or because the masquerade simply exists.

As to the idea that the big cons “don’t care” if you wear your stage costume in the halls? Not always true. At Dragon*Con there is an entirely different culture of costuming, it really can’t be compared to most cons we regularly attend. It’s a special monster. Some of the big anime cons have all-day pre-judging so you’re FORCED to wear your costume in the halls, even for a little bit, something I personally abhor with every fiber of my being. But competition at these same places can be cutthroat. People will lie about commissions, fight for the coveted spots in the show, sandbag with costumes that’ve already won Best in Show elsewhere, etc.

What’s in it for the cosplayers? Sure, winning is “just” a ribbon and a certificate some places, but some places it’s swag. Some places it’s a large trophy (I have 5 sitting on my mantle across the room). So if it’s “just” a certificate, why the vicious competition? Don’t blame Heroes of Cosplay, it was around before that pile of fake drama. Competition is still a thing, in people’s minds, so to dismiss something as simple as “don’t damage your costume or prejudice the judges” as unnecessary isn’t taking the whole picture into account. We’ve all collectively listed a lot of great reasons not to wear your competition piece all weekend, and “we’ve seen it already, it’s boring” is the LEAST of those reasons.

The reason I advocate a rule or at least a guideline is because in a lot of cases, cultivating a habit or a new (old) way of doing things takes time, patience, and a lot of one-on-one handholding. I would say Geek-kon needed at least 5 years of the costume department and masq. directors diligently sticking to their guns and slogging through a routine before people started to catch on that the masquerade is more fun and interesting when you bring your biggest, shiniest thing and really put some effort into it versus wearing closet-raided Naruto costumes and making out with your gf on stage. Actual example, not making that up. But that routine included requiring rehearsals and checking with people before handing them a hall cosplay award for the same costume they were taking to the masquerade. Having rules in place speeds it up – without rules, that transition would have taken a lot more than 5 years.

I don’t know that we’re ever going to come to a consensus but at least understanding where everyone is coming from is important. Plus, it’s very hard to blanket-statement any of this. Every region has different habits and traditions. What flies at Anime Boston is gauche at Anime Detour, and what’s passe on the coasts is still really popular in the Midwest. To a point, we have to let regional cons do what works in their region. But there are some things that aren’t a bad idea to attempt to universally adopt, and that’s why we argue on this list. 🙂

Stace

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From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 8:51 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Survey – (was Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes…)

As someone who’s speaking from almost entirely the Anime/Gaming/Multigenre costuming and convention-running perspective, there’s really no perception of “competition-worthy”. That doesn’t formally exist in such conventions and is looked on as a bit snobbish (YMMV).

I think it’s important to acknowledge that the general public of cosplayers/costumers (however you orient) don’t largely care about arbitrary ideas about whether or not a costume is seen prior to the Masquerade. DragonCon doesn’t care, Anime North doesn’t care, Otakon doesn’t care, Otakuthon doesn’t care, Anime Boston doesn’t care, etc etc. Heck, I’ve yet to see a Comiccon that cares.

After all, what’s actually in it for contestants? By and large, if one were to argue the bare bones, it’s a horse ribbon and bragging rights. Most of these people understand, respect, and enjoy costuming, but won’t be beholden to such rules if the stakes are supposed to be friendly and genial.

It’s similar to how some fannish conventions try to limit the type of costumes which appear. Doctor Who may not be anime, but the majority certainly doesn’t care. At the end of the day, an enterprising cosplayer will simply augment the costume or find some obscure manga/anime reference to Doctor Who to justify things if they have to. Conventions which try to enforce this kind of thing are usually ignored or mocked, and don’t really further an inclusive atmosphere.

Back to the actual topic though: I don’t think we would support any ban on wearing costumes prior to the Masquerade. In my view, at least, it seems like an unnecessary restriction.


Posted by: admin@conbravo.com


 

 

 

 

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Group: runacc Message: 2749 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 4/17/2015
Subject: Re: Access to this list – bid groups
Group: runacc Message: 2750 From: Byron Connell Date: 4/17/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes
Group: runacc Message: 2751 From: Byron Connell Date: 4/17/2015
Subject: Re: Access to this list – bid groups
Group: runacc Message: 2752 From: ECM Date: 4/17/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes
Group: runacc Message: 2753 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 4/17/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes

 


 

Group: runacc Message: 2704 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 3/25/2015
Subject: Re: Is this list still relevant?

 

 

I agree – FB would not be a good platform, really.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 10:33 PM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: Is this list still relevant?

As an archive, it costs nothing to continue. Unless or until Yahoo decides groups are finished, I don’t see a particular reason to kill the list. Do folks generally agree with me? I doubt that moving to a format like Facebook would be useful, since the ability for folks to see posts depends on whether users have blocked each other. Blocking isn’t an option in a mailing list group, though members can certainly turn posts off.

There are ways to participate that don’t involve the Yahoo interface. I receive messages in my own mailbox and respond to them there. If you use the Yahoo interface exclusively, would you please drop me a line and let me know how that’s working for you? I’m curious.

Thanks,

Betsy

On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 11:10 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hm.  Well, looking back, beyond what I posted after CC32, there has been almost no traffic since then.    And unless I deleted a few in my folder, there were a whopping 10 emails between that and the CC31 review.   So, this is becoming less an active list as it is an archive l(little a) list of discussions past.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 7:24 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] Re: Is this list still relevant?

I strongly believe this group is still relevant. I agree with Byron, that there is more traffic here right after CC, but for the ones coming up, such as Madison, Toronto 2, and San Diego, if I remember right, will need the opinions of those of us who have run a CC before them. I know they have direct contact with some of us vets, but more is always better for some answers. And calming nerves.

Henry Osier
Two Time Member of the Never Again Club


Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2705 From: Byron Connell Date: 3/25/2015
Subject: Re: Is this list still relevant?

 

One value we should consider: This is not an ICG-sponsored activity.  I believe the ICG is working on a set of articles on various aspects of masquerade-running.  On the one hand, they may overlap some of the discussions here; on the other, this list provides an alternative source of information, opinion, and (when sought) advice.  That’s good.

 

Byron

 

 

On Mar 24, 2015, at 11:10 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Hm.  Well, looking back, beyond what I posted after CC32, there has been almost no traffic since then.    And unless I deleted a few in my folder, there were a whopping 10 emails between that and the CC31 review.   So, this is becoming less an active list as it is an archive l(little a) list of discussions past.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 7:24 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] Re: Is this list still relevant?



I strongly believe this group is still relevant. I agree with Byron, that there is more traffic here right after CC, but for the ones coming up, such as Madison, Toronto 2, and San Diego, if I remember right, will need the opinions of those of us who have run a CC before them. I know they have direct contact with some of us vets, but more is always better for some answers. And calming nerves.

Henry Osier
Two Time Member of the Never Again Club




 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2706 From: Byron Connell Date: 3/25/2015
Subject: Re: Is this list still relevant?

 

I agree and would not want to see the list discontinued.  Like you, I receive messages directly in my in box and respond to them through my e-mail.  I go to the Yahoogroups interface only when I need to look back for something.

 

Byron

 

 

On Mar 24, 2015, at 11:32 PM, Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

As an archive, it costs nothing to continue. Unless or until Yahoo decides groups are finished, I don’t see a particular reason to kill the list. Do folks generally agree with me? I doubt that moving to a format like Facebook would be useful, since the ability for folks to see posts depends on whether users have blocked each other. Blocking isn’t an option in a mailing list group, though members can certainly turn posts off.

There are ways to participate that don’t involve the Yahoo interface. I receive messages in my own mailbox and respond to them there. If you use the Yahoo interface exclusively, would you please drop me a line and let me know how that’s working for you? I’m curious.
Thanks,
Betsy

 

On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 11:10 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



Hm.  Well, looking back, beyond what I posted after CC32, there has been almost no traffic since then.    And unless I deleted a few in my folder, there were a whopping 10 emails between that and the CC31 review.   So, this is becoming less an active list as it is an archive l(little a) list of discussions past.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 7:24 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] Re: Is this list still relevant?

 

 



I strongly believe this group is still relevant. I agree with Byron, that there is more traffic here right after CC, but for the ones coming up, such as Madison, Toronto 2, and San Diego, if I remember right, will need the opinions of those of us who have run a CC before them. I know they have direct contact with some of us vets, but more is always better for some answers. And calming nerves.

Henry Osier
Two Time Member of the Never Again Club




 





 

Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2707 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 3/25/2015
Subject: Re: Is this list still relevant?

 

 

Well, then folks need to step up and not let the list lay fallow so long, then.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 2:25 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: Is this list still relevant?

I agree and would not want to see the list discontinued.  Like you, I receive messages directly in my in box and respond to them through my e-mail.  I go to the Yahoogroups interface only when I need to look back for something.

Byron

 

On Mar 24, 2015, at 11:32 PM, Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

As an archive, it costs nothing to continue. Unless or until Yahoo decides groups are finished, I don’t see a particular reason to kill the list. Do folks generally agree with me? I doubt that moving to a format like Facebook would be useful, since the ability for folks to see posts depends on whether users have blocked each other. Blocking isn’t an option in a mailing list group, though members can certainly turn posts off.

 

There are ways to participate that don’t involve the Yahoo interface. I receive messages in my own mailbox and respond to them there. If you use the Yahoo interface exclusively, would you please drop me a line and let me know how that’s working for you? I’m curious.

 

Thanks,

 

Betsy

 

On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 11:10 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Hm.  Well, looking back, beyond what I posted after CC32, there has been almost no traffic since then.    And unless I deleted a few in my folder, there were a whopping 10 emails between that and the CC31 review.   So, this is becoming less an active list as it is an archive l(little a) list of discussions past.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 7:24 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] Re: Is this list still relevant?

I strongly believe this group is still relevant. I agree with Byron, that there is more traffic here right after CC, but for the ones coming up, such as Madison, Toronto 2, and San Diego, if I remember right, will need the opinions of those of us who have run a CC before them. I know they have direct contact with some of us vets, but more is always better for some answers. And calming nerves.

Henry Osier
Two Time Member of the Never Again Club

 



 

 

Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2708 From: ECM Date: 3/25/2015
Subject: Re: Is this list still relevant?

 

Believe me, San Diego will have it’s entire committee on the list as soon as we win the vote!  Since almost all of them are CC newbies, there will surely be questions.

They will say, “Well, why don’t we do it this way?”  And I will tell them, “That’s a very good question!  Why don’t you post it on the runacc list?”

Elaine
Charter Member of the Slow Learners’ Club


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 20:24:19 -0400
Subject: [runacc] Re: Is this list still relevant?

 


I strongly believe this group is still relevant. I agree with Byron, that there is more traffic here right after CC, but for the ones coming up, such as Madison, Toronto 2, and San Diego, if I remember right, will need the opinions of those of us who have run a CC before them. I know they have direct contact with some of us vets, but more is always better for some answers. And calming nerves.

Henry Osier
Two Time Member of the Never Again Club

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2709 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 3/25/2015
Subject: Re: Is this list still relevant?

 

 

Well, that’s good.   Now, we need to hear more from the Canadians…..

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 9:37 PM
To: Betsy D
Subject: RE: [runacc] Re: Is this list still relevant?

Believe me, San Diego will have it’s entire committee on the list as soon as we win the vote!  Since almost all of them are CC newbies, there will surely be questions.

They will say, “Well, why don’t we do it this way?”  And I will tell them, “That’s a very good question!  Why don’t you post it on the runacc list?”

Elaine
Charter Member of the Slow Learners’ Club

 


 

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 20:24:19 -0400
Subject: [runacc] Re: Is this list still relevant?

I strongly believe this group is still relevant. I agree with Byron, that there is more traffic here right after CC, but for the ones coming up, such as Madison, Toronto 2, and San Diego, if I remember right, will need the opinions of those of us who have run a CC before them. I know they have direct contact with some of us vets, but more is always better for some answers. And calming nerves.

Henry Osier
Two Time Member of the Never Again Club

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2710 From: Kaijugal . Date: 3/29/2015
Subject: Re: Is this list still relevant?

 

I read this list quite extensively before CC32, as well as comments in other ICG and Costume-Con related lists and Social Media circles. I wanted people to have a good time, and I wanted Costume-Con 32 to live up to their expectations as much as possible.

I also was keen to learn all I could being acutely aware of how critical people can be in regards to Costume-Cons in general.

I found some useful information of course we used as much as we could,
(within the scope of the  limited manpower we had to run CC32.)

I do not think the lack of activity, (active discussion?) on the list is an indicator of it being irrelevant.
It is still a list wish some enduringly useful points, even if no further information is currently being added.
I have even made a point of pointing people to this list. If they chose to join and read or not I cannot say.

Removing or closing the list doesn’t make much sense as it is an archive of thoughts and ideas that should

still be useful.
On another note I agree with whomever said it should not be moved to Facebook. Facebook
is new and shiny and nice, but conversations on it archive terribly .
My personal opinion is that it s not a good platform for information you want to store and make available in
an easily searchable format.

Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 21:49:50 -0500
Subject: RE: [runacc] Re: Is this list still relevant?

 

 

Well, that’s good.   Now, we need to hear more from the Canadians…..

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 9:37 PM
To: Betsy D
Subject: RE: [runacc] Re: Is this list still relevant?

Believe me, San Diego will have it’s entire committee on the list as soon as we win the vote!  Since almost all of them are CC newbies, there will surely be questions.

They will say, “Well, why don’t we do it this way?”  And I will tell them, “That’s a very good question!  Why don’t you post it on the runacc list?”

Elaine
Charter Member of the Slow Learners’ Club

 


 

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 20:24:19 -0400
Subject: [runacc] Re: Is this list still relevant?

I strongly believe this group is still relevant. I agree with Byron, that there is more traffic here right after CC, but for the ones coming up, such as Madison, Toronto 2, and San Diego, if I remember right, will need the opinions of those of us who have run a CC before them. I know they have direct contact with some of us vets, but more is always better for some answers. And calming nerves.

Henry Osier
Two Time Member of the Never Again Club

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2711 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 3/30/2015
Subject: Convention wonking: Judging forms, skill levels etc.

 

 

So, since most folks see a need for this list, let’s get some discussion going.  When the lot of us get together, we narf about CC stuff.

Topic #1.   What does everyone here think of the recent suggestions by Tonya Adolfson (from the Gem State Guild) that the ICG (and by relation,  CC) on how to determine where one’s skill level is, as well as the “Meet the Judges” panel after the masq, and so on?

Discuss!

Bruce

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2712 From: ma0902432 Date: 3/30/2015
Subject: Re: Convention wonking: Judging forms, skill levels etc.
I actually think that the ICG Division system of Novice, Journeyman,
Craftsman/Master, has done a pretty good job of suggesting where the
boundarieslie for ascertaining skill level. I Don’t believe that # of
hours spent on building a costume represents skill level or
award-worthiness, as evidenced by comments that when you are first
learning a skill, it takes longer. There is a sweet spot between time
and effort where a costume can exceed any expectations.

And honestly there are some of us, like myself, who just like doing more
time-consuming methods–like hand beadwork. Does that mean that metal
fabricated armor is less worthy somehow? I think not. I’ve been a
Workmanship Judge countless times and it often is comparing apples with
oranges, or more accurately, comparing apples with zebras, when costumers
compete…..

Yours in costuming, Lisa A

On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 07:25:17 -0500 “‘Nora & Bruce Mai’
casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

So, since most folks see a need for this list, let’s get some discussion
going. When the lot of us get together, we narf about CC stuff.

Topic #1. What does everyone here think of the recent suggestions by
Tonya Adolfson (from the Gem State Guild) that the ICG (and by relation,
CC) on how to determine where one’s skill level is, as well as the “Meet
the Judges” panel after the masq, and so on?

Discuss!

Bruce

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Group: runacc Message: 2713 From: John O’Halloran Date: 3/30/2015
Subject: Re: Convention wonking: Judging forms, skill levels etc.

I’m gonna ignore your Topic #1, as this has been raised on the Sasquan Masq staff list.

Judging forms

I’ve judged 2 worldcons, several westercons and lost count of local cons.

Never once have I received a “special” judges form.    The most “judges form” it’s ever been, is a print out of the entry #, Name, Class and big block for notes.  Sometimes it’s been a copy of the full entry sheet and most often, it’s just a pad of paper that we have to track everything.

Personally, The #, Name, Class, Notes and the judges photos, is all I really use.   I don’t think I would ever have time to read/use a form with a bunch more info or ticky boxes.
JohnO

 

 

On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 5:25 AM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

So, since most folks see a need for this list, let’s get some discussion going.  When the lot of us get together, we narf about CC stuff.

 

Topic #1.   What does everyone here think of the recent suggestions by Tonya Adolfson (from the Gem State Guild) that the ICG (and by relation,  CC) on how to determine where one’s skill level is, as well as the “Meet the Judges” panel after the masq, and so on?

 

Discuss!

 

Bruce

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2714 From: Kevin Roche Date: 3/30/2015
Subject: Re: Convention wonking: Judging forms, skill levels etc.

I have to admit to a visceral “You have got to be kidding!” reaction to the “numbers of hours –> skill division” approach.

In part because I have seen novice entries that had been worked on FOREVER and still were very definitely appropriate to enter in the novice category.
Also in part because there are certain costuming skills I have where I’m apparently preternaturally fast. You wouldn’t want to argue my work should be entered in the novice category because it only took me 10 hours to put together.
I’m with Lisa, I think the current version of the ICG guidelines wrt skill division is well-considered, especially with the open option to “compete up” that they recommend.
Kevin

 

 

On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 1:28 PM, ‘John O’Halloran’ JohnO@TyeDye.Org [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I’m gonna ignore your Topic #1, as this has been raised on the Sasquan Masq staff list.

Judging forms

I’ve judged 2 worldcons, several westercons and lost count of local cons.

Never once have I received a “special” judges form.    The most “judges form” it’s ever been, is a print out of the entry #, Name, Class and big block for notes.  Sometimes it’s been a copy of the full entry sheet and most often, it’s just a pad of paper that we have to track everything.

Personally, The #, Name, Class, Notes and the judges photos, is all I really use.   I don’t think I would ever have time to read/use a form with a bunch more info or ticky boxes.
JohnO

 

 

On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 5:25 AM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

So, since most folks see a need for this list, let’s get some discussion going.  When the lot of us get together, we narf about CC stuff.

 

Topic #1.   What does everyone here think of the recent suggestions by Tonya Adolfson (from the Gem State Guild) that the ICG (and by relation,  CC) on how to determine where one’s skill level is, as well as the “Meet the Judges” panel after the masq, and so on?

 

Discuss!

 

Bruce

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2715 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 3/30/2015
Subject: Re: Convention wonking: Judging forms, skill levels etc.

Marty used specific judging forms, but I don’t know that the practice has continued. Any convention where he was involved as MD included them, and that was a substantial number on the East Coast.

When I’ve judged (and it’s been a while) I found that no matter what form the recording of data took, it was no match for the two-to-one ganging up when judges were inspired to choose one entry over another. That process is what turned me off for judging all but Workmanship, and then only when I’m actually able to attend a con (which won’t be for a very long time, with a weekend job).
Sorry I can’t be more helpful.
-b

 

 

On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 4:48 PM, Kevin Roche kevin@twistedimage.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I have to admit to a visceral “You have got to be kidding!” reaction to the “numbers of hours –> skill division” approach.

In part because I have seen novice entries that had been worked on FOREVER and still were very definitely appropriate to enter in the novice category.
Also in part because there are certain costuming skills I have where I’m apparently preternaturally fast. You wouldn’t want to argue my work should be entered in the novice category because it only took me 10 hours to put together.
I’m with Lisa, I think the current version of the ICG guidelines wrt skill division is well-considered, especially with the open option to “compete up” that they recommend.
Kevin

 

 

On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 1:28 PM, ‘John O’Halloran’ JohnO@TyeDye.Org [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I’m gonna ignore your Topic #1, as this has been raised on the Sasquan Masq staff list.

Judging forms

I’ve judged 2 worldcons, several westercons and lost count of local cons.

Never once have I received a “special” judges form.    The most “judges form” it’s ever been, is a print out of the entry #, Name, Class and big block for notes.  Sometimes it’s been a copy of the full entry sheet and most often, it’s just a pad of paper that we have to track everything.

Personally, The #, Name, Class, Notes and the judges photos, is all I really use.   I don’t think I would ever have time to read/use a form with a bunch more info or ticky boxes.
JohnO

 

 

On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 5:25 AM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

So, since most folks see a need for this list, let’s get some discussion going.  When the lot of us get together, we narf about CC stuff.

 

Topic #1.   What does everyone here think of the recent suggestions by Tonya Adolfson (from the Gem State Guild) that the ICG (and by relation,  CC) on how to determine where one’s skill level is, as well as the “Meet the Judges” panel after the masq, and so on?

 

Discuss!

 

Bruce

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2716 From: Byron Connell Date: 3/30/2015
Subject: Re: Convention wonking: Judging forms, skill levels etc.

 

We had special judges’ forms at Anticipation and for the Historical at CC 32.  The program we used generated them, with a different set of data from those used by tech or by the MC.  My deputy MD, Sylvain St.Pierre, developed the program.  I’d be happy to share it.  I think it’s easier to use than Marty Gear’s program.

 

Byron

 

 

On Mar 30, 2015, at 4:28 PM, ‘John O’Halloran’ JohnO@TyeDye.Org [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I’m gonna ignore your Topic #1, as this has been raised on the Sasquan Masq staff list.

Judging forms

I’ve judged 2 worldcons, several westercons and lost count of local cons.

Never once have I received a “special” judges form.    The most “judges form” it’s ever been, is a print out of the entry #, Name, Class and big block for notes.  Sometimes it’s been a copy of the full entry sheet and most often, it’s just a pad of paper that we have to track everything.

Personally, The #, Name, Class, Notes and the judges photos, is all I really use.   I don’t think I would ever have time to read/use a form with a bunch more info or ticky boxes.
JohnO

 

On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 5:25 AM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

So, since most folks see a need for this list, let’s get some discussion going.  When the lot of us get together, we narf about CC stuff.

 

Topic #1.   What does everyone here think of the recent suggestions by Tonya Adolfson (from the Gem State Guild) that the ICG (and by relation,  CC) on how to determine where one’s skill level is, as well as the “Meet the Judges” panel after the masq, and so on?

 

Discuss!

 

Bruce

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2717 From: Byron Connell Date: 3/30/2015
Subject: Re: Convention wonking: Judging forms, skill levels etc.

 

I don’t yet know what I “think” about the suggestions.  They’re very different from what I’m used to as a judges’ clerk, a judge, or a masquerade director and I don’t want to sound as if I’m stepping on them, especially if they’re from a different type of costume competition than our traditional form.  My experience primarily is at Worldcon and Costume-Con masquerades and at East Coast regional conventions, plus Archon.  Before I render opinions, I want more information that I hope Tonya can provide:

 

Skill Divisions:
— What events use the “hours of effort” measure to determine skill level?
— How long have they been doing so?
— How many entries do the events have (broadly speaking)?
— From where, geographically, do the events draw the entrants?
— What are the entires like (original, re-creation, assembled, science fiction, fantasy, media reproduction, and so forth)?
— How and why did you settle on this measure of skill vs. other measures?
Meet the Judges Panels:
— What events offer Meet the Judges panels?
— How long have they been doing so?
— How many/what proportion of the entrants participate?
— When during the event are the panels held?
— Are judges expected/obligated to comment publicly on specific entries?
Byron
On Mar 30, 2015, at 8:25 AM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

So, since most folks see a need for this list, let’s get some discussion going.  When the lot of us get together, we narf about CC stuff.

Topic #1.   What does everyone here think of the recent suggestions by Tonya Adolfson (from the Gem State Guild) that the ICG (and by relation,  CC) on how to determine where one’s skill level is, as well as the “Meet the Judges” panel after the masq, and so on?

Discuss!

Bruce

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2718 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 3/30/2015
Subject: Re: Convention wonking: Judging forms, skill levels etc.

 

On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Byron Connell byronpconnell@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Meet the Judges Panels:
— What events offer Meet the Judges panels?
— How long have they been doing so?
— How many/what proportion of the entrants participate?
— When during the event are the panels held?
— Are judges expected/obligated to comment publicly on specific entries?

I like to have the judges show up at the contestant orientation/safety meeting, at least to be introduced.

I like to have the judges show up at the masquerade post-mortem panel.
If it wasn’t overloading the judges, I wouldn’t mind having the judges be on a “this is how judging works” panel before or after the masquerade, but there would have to be strong guidance in place to make sure the judges avoided making inappropriate comments.

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2719 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 3/30/2015
Subject: Re: Convention wonking: Judging forms, skill levels etc.
I don’t think the majority of this group is on that list, so it’s probably ok to rehash here.

I like Byron’s questions.  I can see potential ways that the proposals *could* work.  Not for me, or the CostumeCon/WorldCon crowd, I think, but that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s wrong or bad.

~Aurora

 

 

On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 4:28 PM, ‘John O’Halloran’ JohnO@TyeDye.Org [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

I’m gonna ignore your Topic #1, as this has been raised on the Sasquan Masq staff list.

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2720 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 3/30/2015
Subject: Re: Convention wonking: Judging forms, skill levels etc.

 

 

On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 5:25 AM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

What does everyone here think of the recent suggestions by Tonya Adolfson (from the Gem State Guild) that the ICG (and by relation,  CC) on how to determine where one’s skill level is

Time spent can easily indicate lack of skill. Lord knows I’ve done enough things the hard way with lots of rework involved because I didn’t know any better.

And time is economy. Rich people have lots of time, poor people have lots of time, young people and and retired people have lots of time, but not everybody has lots of time. There are a lot of students who have tons of time, but upon graduation and job suddenly find themselves with none.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2721 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 3/30/2015
Subject: Re: Convention wonking: Judging forms, skill levels etc.

 

 

That – you’d have to pose to her on the D list.

 

Good discussions!   Keep it going!   Else, I’ll have to pull out another topic.   (hee hee hee)

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 5:14 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Convention wonking: Judging forms, skill levels etc.

I don’t yet know what I “think” about the suggestions.  They’re very different from what I’m used to as a judges’ clerk, a judge, or a masquerade director and I don’t want to sound as if I’m stepping on them, especially if they’re from a different type of costume competition than our traditional form.  My experience primarily is at Worldcon and Costume-Con masquerades and at East Coast regional conventions, plus Archon.  Before I render opinions, I want more information that I hope Tonya can provide:

Skill Divisions:

— What events use the “hours of effort” measure to determine skill level?

— How long have they been doing so?

— How many entries do the events have (broadly speaking)?

— From where, geographically, do the events draw the entrants?

— What are the entires like (original, re-creation, assembled, science fiction, fantasy, media reproduction, and so forth)?

— How and why did you settle on this measure of skill vs. other measures?

Meet the Judges Panels:

— What events offer Meet the Judges panels?

— How long have they been doing so?

— How many/what proportion of the entrants participate?

— When during the event are the panels held?

— Are judges expected/obligated to comment publicly on specific entries?

Byron

On Mar 30, 2015, at 8:25 AM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

So, since most folks see a need for this list, let’s get some discussion going.  When the lot of us get together, we narf about CC stuff.

Topic #1.   What does everyone here think of the recent suggestions by Tonya Adolfson (from the Gem State Guild) that the ICG (and by relation,  CC) on how to determine where one’s skill level is, as well as the “Meet the Judges” panel after the masq, and so on?

Discuss!

Bruce

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2722 From: von_drago Date: 3/30/2015
Subject: Re: Convention wonking: Judging forms, skill levels etc.

I agree – good questions.

 

I always find it interesting to see how masquerades have evolved in different areas. Sometimes they have really nifty ideas that should be “acquired”. Hopefully they find some ideas themselves from outside their community that they want to use.

 

Nora

 

Group: runacc Message: 2723 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 3/30/2015
Subject: Re: Convention wonking: Judging forms, skill levels etc.

On the subject of time, is all time equal? Is 18 hours watching a pot boil the same as 18 hours doing cross stitch?

Let’s say I use a vinyl cutter to set out a pattern of crystals and then heat-set them. I have a beautifully precise piece in 5 hours instead of 70.

Maybe I’m doing Flash Gordon recreations and I just string beads and glue them down, taking far less time than stitching and knotting then individually. But that’s the technique the costume shop used originally.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2724 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 3/30/2015
Subject: Re: Convention wonking: Judging forms, skill levels etc.

Not even a little like the same. Not only is it less time-consuming to produce something when you’ve practiced the art (hello, learning curve anyone?), but as Andy says, techniques vary. Often within the same piece of work.

-b

 

 

On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 9:09 PM, Andrew Trembley attrembl@bovil.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

On the subject of time, is all time equal? Is 18 hours watching a pot boil the same as 18 hours doing cross stitch?

Let’s say I use a vinyl cutter to set out a pattern of crystals and then heat-set them. I have a beautifully precise piece in 5 hours instead of 70.

Maybe I’m doing Flash Gordon recreations and I just string beads and glue them down, taking far less time than stitching and knotting then individually. But that’s the technique the costume shop used originally.

 

 


Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2725 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 3/30/2015
Subject: Re: Convention wonking: Judging forms, skill levels etc.

 

 

All good points.   Pretty much what we concluded.   How the heck can you quantify anything like that?

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 8:15 PM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: Re: [runacc] Convention wonking: Judging forms, skill levels etc.

Not even a little like the same. Not only is it less time-consuming to produce something when you’ve practiced the art (hello, learning curve anyone?), but as Andy says, techniques vary. Often within the same piece of work.

-b

On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 9:09 PM, Andrew Trembley attrembl@bovil.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

On the subject of time, is all time equal? Is 18 hours watching a pot boil the same as 18 hours doing cross stitch?

Let’s say I use a vinyl cutter to set out a pattern of crystals and then heat-set them. I have a beautifully precise piece in 5 hours instead of 70.

Maybe I’m doing Flash Gordon recreations and I just string beads and glue them down, taking far less time than stitching and knotting then individually. But that’s the technique the costume shop used originally.


Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2726 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 3/31/2015
Subject: Re: Convention wonking: Judging forms, skill levels etc.

One more comment and I’m going back to homework again:

Virtually ALL judging is arbitrary and subjective. Quantification is almost impossible when comparing apples to oranges, to kiwi fruit. The best one can hope for is the ability to discern quality based on the current set of whatever’s being presented (sewing skills, construction technique, design ability, presentation, whatever) at the event in question.
The best we can hope for is a common agreement of best practices, not an absolute across-the-board method that works for everyone, because there is no uniformity in art. Just because I don’t like Jackson Pollock’s artworks and I do love Georgia O’Keeffe’s or Salvador Dali’s doesn’t make Pollock’s art irrelevant.
Some days I wish the whole competition aspect of masquerades would just go away, in favor of showing the art for the sake of the art itself. I suspect we’d get a lot more people who just wanted to show off on stage.
Or not.
Then again, I’ve been wishing for that change for decades.
Ah, well. Back to After Effects.
Cheers,
Betsy

 

 

On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 11:15 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

All good points.   Pretty much what we concluded.   How the heck can you quantify anything like that?

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 8:15 PM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: Re: [runacc] Convention wonking: Judging forms, skill levels etc.

 

 

Not even a little like the same. Not only is it less time-consuming to produce something when you’ve practiced the art (hello, learning curve anyone?), but as Andy says, techniques vary. Often within the same piece of work.

 

-b

 

 

 

On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 9:09 PM, Andrew Trembley attrembl@bovil.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

On the subject of time, is all time equal? Is 18 hours watching a pot boil the same as 18 hours doing cross stitch?

Let’s say I use a vinyl cutter to set out a pattern of crystals and then heat-set them. I have a beautifully precise piece in 5 hours instead of 70.

Maybe I’m doing Flash Gordon recreations and I just string beads and glue them down, taking far less time than stitching and knotting then individually. But that’s the technique the costume shop used originally.

 


 

 

 

Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

 


Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2727 From: staceylee25 Date: 3/31/2015
Subject: Re: Convention wonking: Judging forms, skill levels etc.

Yeeeeeaaaaaaahhh I’m right there with Kevin. I read that and was so stunned that I just didn’t have the capacity to make words in reaction. Rare for me, I know. I was more inclined to hysterical laughter, because I’m a jerk.

I thought back to the time I put into some of my biggest competition pieces, and only the Kingdom of Jin from C31 would have hit the 500 hour mark because I personally built the majority of 4 costumes. “Art of Black and White” might have hit 300? But everything else I’ve ever put on stage I’m pretty sure wouldn’t even have hit the 100 hour mark.

But more than that, I’m entirely in the same boat with those who say, how do you quantify hours spent on things like watching a pot boil – or watching paint dry? Does 5 hours of sanding plastic count as a skill? What if my gorgeous paint job is the equivalent of five minutes applying the paint, waiting 24 hours for it to dry?

Using time as a measure is skewed toward sewing – and I might add, sewing embellishments – which is unfair on a base level, before you even touch the truth that Masters can actually be faster at some of those techniques than a novice. I am actually a terrible embellisher if I have to do it by hand, so if I attempted hand-embroidery I would definitely hit that 500 hour mark. However, I can almost guarantee you my work would be awful and all of you would look askance at me and remind me that you expect better from me. And rightly so. 😉 Let’s not even get into the fact that I’m a professional who makes 100% of my income from a costume profession, and the most I’ve ever spent on a client’s costume is maybe 35-40 hours.

It’s true, workmanship judging isn’t easy. As technology rapidly changes to accommodate the desires of costume-builders and hobbyists, we’re going to face even bigger challenges balancing certain techniques and elements against others. In order to be as fair as possible to entrants, we have to always start from a level playing field, so the ICG guidelines are, IMO, the best way to ensure that level playing field. I have never had a problem with the ICG guidelines, and what’s important to me is that they’re not JUST applicable to Worldcon and Costume-Con. They’re universally applicable. We’ve found in practice, here in Wisconsin where tiny anime cons pop up like weeds every other year (and die off just as quickly) that a lot of people who think their system is better simply haven’t been exposed to an alternate idea, and once they participate in a different system, they experience first-hand just how workable, fair, and enjoyable it is, and go back to their little cons and suddenly the rules and structure of their masquerade changes to look more like ours.

So, while the northwest may have a collection of cons who work “that” way, they might just have never really been exposed to a masquerade run using ICG guidelines.

Stace

—In runacc@yahoogroups.com, <kevin@…> wrote :

I have to admit to a visceral “You have got to be kidding!” reaction to the “numbers of hours –> skill division” approach.

In part because I have seen novice entries that had been worked on FOREVER and still were very definitely appropriate to enter in the novice category.

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2728 From: Byron Connell Date: 3/31/2015
Subject: Re: Convention wonking: Judging forms, skill levels etc.

 

I did not know Tonya was not on runacc.  I am less than comfortable discussing her suggestions in her absence.

 

Bruce, I hope you will invite her to join the discussion.
Byron

 

 

On Mar 30, 2015, at 8:00 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

That – you’d have to pose to her on the D list.

 

Good discussions!   Keep it going!   Else, I’ll have to pull out another topic.   (hee hee hee)

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 5:14 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Convention wonking: Judging forms, skill levels etc.



I don’t yet know what I “think” about the suggestions.  They’re very different from what I’m used to as a judges’ clerk, a judge, or a masquerade director and I don’t want to sound as if I’m stepping on them, especially if they’re from a different type of costume competition than our traditional form.  My experience primarily is at Worldcon and Costume-Con masquerades and at East Coast regional conventions, plus Archon.  Before I render opinions, I want more information that I hope Tonya can provide:

Skill Divisions:

— What events use the “hours of effort” measure to determine skill level?

— How long have they been doing so?

— How many entries do the events have (broadly speaking)?

— From where, geographically, do the events draw the entrants?

— What are the entires like (original, re-creation, assembled, science fiction, fantasy, media reproduction, and so forth)?

— How and why did you settle on this measure of skill vs. other measures?

Meet the Judges Panels:

— What events offer Meet the Judges panels?

— How long have they been doing so?

— How many/what proportion of the entrants participate?

— When during the event are the panels held?

— Are judges expected/obligated to comment publicly on specific entries?

Byron

On Mar 30, 2015, at 8:25 AM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

So, since most folks see a need for this list, let’s get some discussion going.  When the lot of us get together, we narf about CC stuff.

Topic #1.   What does everyone here think of the recent suggestions by Tonya Adolfson (from the Gem State Guild) that the ICG (and by relation,  CC) on how to determine where one’s skill level is, as well as the “Meet the Judges” panel after the masq, and so on?

Discuss!

Bruce

 




 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2729 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 3/31/2015
Subject: Re: Convention wonking: Judging forms, skill levels etc.

 

 

Not my place.   But if Betsy wants to, by all means.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 6:19 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Convention wonking: Judging forms, skill levels etc.

I did not know Tonya was not on runacc.  I am less than comfortable discussing her suggestions in her absence.

Bruce, I hope you will invite her to join the discussion.

Byron

 

On Mar 30, 2015, at 8:00 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

That – you’d have to pose to her on the D list.

 

Good discussions!   Keep it going!   Else, I’ll have to pull out another topic.   (hee hee hee)

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 5:14 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Convention wonking: Judging forms, skill levels etc.

I don’t yet know what I “think” about the suggestions.  They’re very different from what I’m used to as a judges’ clerk, a judge, or a masquerade director and I don’t want to sound as if I’m stepping on them, especially if they’re from a different type of costume competition than our traditional form.  My experience primarily is at Worldcon and Costume-Con masquerades and at East Coast regional conventions, plus Archon.  Before I render opinions, I want more information that I hope Tonya can provide:

Skill Divisions:

— What events use the “hours of effort” measure to determine skill level?

— How long have they been doing so?

— How many entries do the events have (broadly speaking)?

— From where, geographically, do the events draw the entrants?

— What are the entires like (original, re-creation, assembled, science fiction, fantasy, media reproduction, and so forth)?

— How and why did you settle on this measure of skill vs. other measures?

Meet the Judges Panels:

— What events offer Meet the Judges panels?

— How long have they been doing so?

— How many/what proportion of the entrants participate?

— When during the event are the panels held?

— Are judges expected/obligated to comment publicly on specific entries?

Byron

On Mar 30, 2015, at 8:25 AM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

So, since most folks see a need for this list, let’s get some discussion going.  When the lot of us get together, we narf about CC stuff.

Topic #1.   What does everyone here think of the recent suggestions by Tonya Adolfson (from the Gem State Guild) that the ICG (and by relation,  CC) on how to determine where one’s skill level is, as well as the “Meet the Judges” panel after the masq, and so on?

Discuss!

Bruce

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2730 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 4/1/2015
Subject: Access to this list.

Well, now, that’s an entirely different question. So different, in fact, that I’ve changed the subject. So there.

Up till this very moment, RunaCC has been invite-only, generally designed as a catch-all conversation and archive devoted to SMOCing. (Secret Masters of Costuming. You know who you are.)
We’ve mostly done it in the halls of cons at 3am, or post con when the dust has settled. The list exists to serve a specific set of purposes – to share information from year to year and serve as an institutional memory when the memory fades over time and those who attended at the start can’t attend anymore, for whatever reason.
The list dates back to sometime after Costume-Con Fifteen, but while I’m technically the owner, the actual owner is Karen, and really always has been.
I attempted to compile a floating supply box (that I’m pretty sure got lost in transit sometime a year or so after CCXV). This list was a lot more successful.

If we were to announce an open invitation to join the conversation, we’d potentially invite more than we’ve bargained for. On the other hand, fresh perspective was always part of the point here, as well as the lofty goal of avoiding reinventing the wheel every single year.

 

So, I’ll put it to Karen (as Service Mark Holder) and to those already on the list: How do folks feel about opening the list up to folks who aren’t directly responsible for producing CCs?
I know what I think on the subject, but it’s really not up to me.
Thanks,
Betsy

 

 

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 11:12 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Not my place.   But if Betsy wants to, by all means.

 

Bruce

Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2731 From: Byron Connell Date: 4/2/2015
Subject: Re: Access to this list.

 

I favor opening the list, by invitation, to costumers with ideas the SMOCs ought to consider. That would limit additional persons to those we feel should be part of the conversation.  Tonya is a good example.  Whether we agree with her suggestions or not, they deserve discussion and the person who made the suggestion really has to be part of that discussion.  There may be others.

 

Byron

 

 

On Apr 1, 2015, at 12:05 AM, Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Well, now, that’s an entirely different question. So different, in fact, that I’ve changed the subject. So there.

Up till this very moment, RunaCC has been invite-only, generally designed as a catch-all conversation and archive devoted to SMOCing. (Secret Masters of Costuming. You know who you are.)
We’ve mostly done it in the halls of cons at 3am, or post con when the dust has settled. The list exists to serve a specific set of purposes – to share information from year to year and serve as an institutional memory when the memory fades over time and those who attended at the start can’t attend anymore, for whatever reason.
The list dates back to sometime after Costume-Con Fifteen, but while I’m technically the owner, the actual owner is Karen, and really always has been.
I attempted to compile a floating supply box (that I’m pretty sure got lost in transit sometime a year or so after CCXV). This list was a lot more successful.

If we were to announce an open invitation to join the conversation, we’d potentially invite more than we’ve bargained for. On the other hand, fresh perspective was always part of the point here, as well as the lofty goal of avoiding reinventing the wheel every single year.

 

So, I’ll put it to Karen (as Service Mark Holder) and to those already on the list: How do folks feel about opening the list up to folks who aren’t directly responsible for producing CCs?
I know what I think on the subject, but it’s really not up to me.
Thanks,
Betsy

 

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 11:12 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Not my place.   But if Betsy wants to, by all means.

 

Bruce

 

Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2732 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 4/8/2015
Subject: Re: Access to this list.

 

 

I mostly agree with this, as long as it’s still by invitation.   It probably wouldn’t be of interest to most people, unless they have an interest in the behind the scenes of stuff that goes on at CC, anyway.   That said, I wouldn’t want it to become a forum for complaints by attendees.   This should be a place where future and former staff participants can speak honestly.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 6:43 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Access to this list.

I favor opening the list, by invitation, to costumers with ideas the SMOCs ought to consider. That would limit additional persons to those we feel should be part of the conversation.  Tonya is a good example.  Whether we agree with her suggestions or not, they deserve discussion and the person who made the suggestion really has to be part of that discussion.  There may be others.

Byron

 

On Apr 1, 2015, at 12:05 AM, Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Well, now, that’s an entirely different question. So different, in fact, that I’ve changed the subject. So there.

 

Up till this very moment, RunaCC has been invite-only, generally designed as a catch-all conversation and archive devoted to SMOCing. (Secret Masters of Costuming. You know who you are.) 

 

We’ve mostly done it in the halls of cons at 3am, or post con when the dust has settled. The list exists to serve a specific set of purposes – to share information from year to year and serve as an institutional memory when the memory fades over time and those who attended at the start can’t attend anymore, for whatever reason.

 

The list dates back to sometime after Costume-Con Fifteen, but while I’m technically the owner, the actual owner is Karen, and really always has been.

 

I attempted to compile a floating supply box (that I’m pretty sure got lost in transit sometime a year or so after CCXV). This list was a lot more successful. 

 

If we were to announce an open invitation to join the conversation, we’d potentially invite more than we’ve bargained for. On the other hand, fresh perspective was always part of the point here, as well as the lofty goal of avoiding reinventing the wheel every single year.

 

So, I’ll put it to Karen (as Service Mark Holder) and to those already on the list: How do folks feel about opening the list up to folks who aren’t directly responsible for producing CCs?

 

I know what I think on the subject, but it’s really not up to me.

 

Thanks,

 

Betsy

 

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 11:12 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Not my place.   But if Betsy wants to, by all means.

 

Bruce

 

 

Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2733 From: costumrs Date: 4/8/2015
Subject: Re: Access to this list.

 

I would support inviting a limited number of folks. Like Nora I think we don’t want the membership too large. But some new blood should always be sought out.
Pierrr
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone

——– Original message ——–
From: “‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 04/08/2015 7:39 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [runacc] Access to this list.

 

I mostly agree with this, as long as it’s still by invitation.   It probably wouldn’t be of interest to most people, unless they have an interest in the behind the scenes of stuff that goes on at CC, anyway.   That said, I wouldn’t want it to become a forum for complaints by attendees.   This should be a place where future and former staff participants can speak honestly.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 6:43 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Access to this list.

I favor opening the list, by invitation, to costumers with ideas the SMOCs ought to consider. That would limit additional persons to those we feel should be part of the conversation.  Tonya is a good example.  Whether we agree with her suggestions or not, they deserve discussion and the person who made the suggestion really has to be part of that discussion.  There may be others.

Byron

 

On Apr 1, 2015, at 12:05 AM, Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Well, now, that’s an entirely different question. So different, in fact, that I’ve changed the subject. So there.

 

Up till this very moment, RunaCC has been invite-only, generally designed as a catch-all conversation and archive devoted to SMOCing. (Secret Masters of Costuming. You know who you are.) 

 

We’ve mostly done it in the halls of cons at 3am, or post con when the dust has settled. The list exists to serve a specific set of purposes – to share information from year to year and serve as an institutional memory when the memory fades over time and those who attended at the start can’t attend anymore, for whatever reason.

 

The list dates back to sometime after Costume-Con Fifteen, but while I’m technically the owner, the actual owner is Karen, and really always has been.

 

I attempted to compile a floating supply box (that I’m pretty sure got lost in transit sometime a year or so after CCXV). This list was a lot more successful. 

 

If we were to announce an open invitation to join the conversation, we’d potentially invite more than we’ve bargained for. On the other hand, fresh perspective was always part of the point here, as well as the lofty goal of avoiding reinventing the wheel every single year.

 

So, I’ll put it to Karen (as Service Mark Holder) and to those already on the list: How do folks feel about opening the list up to folks who aren’t directly responsible for producing CCs?

 

I know what I think on the subject, but it’s really not up to me.

 

Thanks,

 

Betsy

 

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 11:12 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Not my place.   But if Betsy wants to, by all means.

 

Bruce

 

 

Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2734 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 4/9/2015
Subject: Re: Access to this list.

 

 

The theory is, we should be getting new blood with each new bid that has a new concom.   I don’t recall seeing anyone from CC35 speaking up.    Am I mistaken?

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 7:55 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [runacc] Access to this list.

I would support inviting a limited number of folks. Like Nora I think we don’t want the membership too large. But some new blood should always be sought out.

Pierrr

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone

——– Original message ——–
From: “‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 04/08/2015 7:39 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [runacc] Access to this list.

I mostly agree with this, as long as it’s still by invitation.   It probably wouldn’t be of interest to most people, unless they have an interest in the behind the scenes of stuff that goes on at CC, anyway.   That said, I wouldn’t want it to become a forum for complaints by attendees.   This should be a place where future and former staff participants can speak honestly.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 6:43 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Access to this list.

I favor opening the list, by invitation, to costumers with ideas the SMOCs ought to consider. That would limit additional persons to those we feel should be part of the conversation.  Tonya is a good example.  Whether we agree with her suggestions or not, they deserve discussion and the person who made the suggestion really has to be part of that discussion.  There may be others.

Byron

 

On Apr 1, 2015, at 12:05 AM, Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Well, now, that’s an entirely different question. So different, in fact, that I’ve changed the subject. So there.

 

Up till this very moment, RunaCC has been invite-only, generally designed as a catch-all conversation and archive devoted to SMOCing. (Secret Masters of Costuming. You know who you are.) 

 

We’ve mostly done it in the halls of cons at 3am, or post con when the dust has settled. The list exists to serve a specific set of purposes – to share information from year to year and serve as an institutional memory when the memory fades over time and those who attended at the start can’t attend anymore, for whatever reason.

 

The list dates back to sometime after Costume-Con Fifteen, but while I’m technically the owner, the actual owner is Karen, and really always has been.

 

I attempted to compile a floating supply box (that I’m pretty sure got lost in transit sometime a year or so after CCXV). This list was a lot more successful. 

 

If we were to announce an open invitation to join the conversation, we’d potentially invite more than we’ve bargained for. On the other hand, fresh perspective was always part of the point here, as well as the lofty goal of avoiding reinventing the wheel every single year.

 

So, I’ll put it to Karen (as Service Mark Holder) and to those already on the list: How do folks feel about opening the list up to folks who aren’t directly responsible for producing CCs?

 

I know what I think on the subject, but it’s really not up to me.

 

Thanks,

 

Betsy

 

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 11:12 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Not my place.   But if Betsy wants to, by all means.

 

Bruce

 

 

Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2735 From: Byron Connell Date: 4/9/2015
Subject: Re: Access to this list.

 

Unfortunately, we’re not getting very much in the way of new blood since we tend to keep volunteering to serve on concoms.  I’m certainly guilty, as are others I could name.  Maybe we need term limits for SMOCs?

 

Byron

 

 

On Apr 9, 2015, at 4:21 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

The theory is, we should be getting new blood with each new bid that has a new concom.   I don’t recall seeing anyone from CC35 speaking up.    Am I mistaken?

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 7:55 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [runacc] Access to this list.




I would support inviting a limited number of folks. Like Nora I think we don’t want the membership too large. But some new blood should always be sought out.

Pierrr

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone



——– Original message ——–
From: “‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> 
Date: 04/08/2015 7:39 PM (GMT-06:00) 
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: RE: [runacc] Access to this list. 

  

I mostly agree with this, as long as it’s still by invitation.   It probably wouldn’t be of interest to most people, unless they have an interest in the behind the scenes of stuff that goes on at CC, anyway.   That said, I wouldn’t want it to become a forum for complaints by attendees.   This should be a place where future and former staff participants can speak honestly.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 6:43 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Access to this list.



I favor opening the list, by invitation, to costumers with ideas the SMOCs ought to consider. That would limit additional persons to those we feel should be part of the conversation.  Tonya is a good example.  Whether we agree with her suggestions or not, they deserve discussion and the person who made the suggestion really has to be part of that discussion.  There may be others.

Byron

On Apr 1, 2015, at 12:05 AM, Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Well, now, that’s an entirely different question. So different, in fact, that I’ve changed the subject. So there.

 

Up till this very moment, RunaCC has been invite-only, generally designed as a catch-all conversation and archive devoted to SMOCing. (Secret Masters of Costuming. You know who you are.) 

 

We’ve mostly done it in the halls of cons at 3am, or post con when the dust has settled. The list exists to serve a specific set of purposes – to share information from year to year and serve as an institutional memory when the memory fades over time and those who attended at the start can’t attend anymore, for whatever reason.

 

The list dates back to sometime after Costume-Con Fifteen, but while I’m technically the owner, the actual owner is Karen, and really always has been.

 

I attempted to compile a floating supply box (that I’m pretty sure got lost in transit sometime a year or so after CCXV). This list was a lot more successful. 

 

If we were to announce an open invitation to join the conversation, we’d potentially invite more than we’ve bargained for. On the other hand, fresh perspective was always part of the point here, as well as the lofty goal of avoiding reinventing the wheel every single year.

 

So, I’ll put it to Karen (as Service Mark Holder) and to those already on the list: How do folks feel about opening the list up to folks who aren’t directly responsible for producing CCs?

 

I know what I think on the subject, but it’s really not up to me.

 

Thanks,

 

Betsy

 

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 11:12 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Not my place.   But if Betsy wants to, by all means.

 

Bruce

 

 

Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 








 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2736 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 4/10/2015
Subject: Re: Access to this list.

Byron has a point. We tend to reuse volunteers for our concoms, even if the chairs change. Theoretically, we all serve once, but there are folks who’ve served multiple times, and many of these people just swap jobs.

We haven’t had whole committees on this list, just chairs and treasurers (I think). We could theoretically broaden the invitation to more concom members, but there’s that same signal to noise ratio issue to deal with.
I know (I think) that Byron was being facetious, but I think term limits happen due to attrition and distraction. Just saying. 8)
-b

 

 

On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 7:33 PM, Byron Connell byronpconnell@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Unfortunately, we’re not getting very much in the way of new blood since we tend to keep volunteering to serve on concoms.  I’m certainly guilty, as are others I could name.  Maybe we need term limits for SMOCs?

Byron

Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2737 From: kittythecanuck Date: 4/10/2015
Subject: Re: Access to this list.
A few of us from CC35 joined when we won the bid.  We read the info, but as you said, it’s not very active right now so we haven’t been visiting much.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2738 From: JBdashoff@aol.com Date: 4/10/2015
Subject: Re: Access to this list.

 

Since icg is open for all discussions,
I think keeping runacc@ as a closed group  to which we can choose whom to add makes for a better discussion zone for costumecons.
Joni Dashoff Lunatyk Phrynge /DVCG/CC33 treasurer
ps since I’ve been listening without speaking for years I’ll bet Betsy forgot I was on this list.

 

 

—–Original Message—–

From: Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>

To: List, Run a CC <runacc@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Wed, Apr 1, 2015 12:05 am

Subject: [runacc] Access to this list.

 

 

Well, now, that’s an entirely different question. So different, in fact, that I’ve changed the subject. So there.

Up till this very moment, RunaCC has been invite-only, generally designed as a catch-all conversation and archive devoted to SMOCing. (Secret Masters of Costuming. You know who you are.)
We’ve mostly done it in the halls of cons at 3am, or post con when the dust has settled. The list exists to serve a specific set of purposes – to share information from year to year and serve as an institutional memory when the memory fades over time and those who attended at the start can’t attend anymore, for whatever reason.
The list dates back to sometime after Costume-Con Fifteen, but while I’m technically the owner, the actual owner is Karen, and really always has been.
I attempted to compile a floating supply box (that I’m pretty sure got lost in transit sometime a year or so after CCXV). This list was a lot more successful.

If we were to announce an open invitation to join the conversation, we’d potentially invite more than we’ve bargained for. On the other hand, fresh perspective was always part of the point here, as well as the lofty goal of avoiding reinventing the wheel every single year.

So, I’ll put it to Karen (as Service Mark Holder) and to those already on the list: How do folks feel about opening the list up to folks who aren’t directly responsible for producing CCs?
I know what I think on the subject, but it’s really not up to me.
Thanks,
Betsy
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 11:12 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’
casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Not my place.   But if Betsy wants to, by all means.
 
Bruce

 

Betsy Marks Delaney

 

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2739 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 4/16/2015
Subject: Re: Access to this list – “term limits”

 

 

Getting new chapters to throw a CC helps.   We were needling certain MNSOC members at Teslacon last year, and they seemed to be at least mulling over the idea of a future bid.   At least, with more regions involved, it helps get a wider rotation of the “oldsters” who may feel obligated to step in if no bid arises.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 8:25 AM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: Re: [runacc] Access to this list.

Byron has a point. We tend to reuse volunteers for our concoms, even if the chairs change. Theoretically, we all serve once, but there are folks who’ve served multiple times, and many of these people just swap jobs.

We haven’t had whole committees on this list, just chairs and treasurers (I think). We could theoretically broaden the invitation to more concom members, but there’s that same signal to noise ratio issue to deal with.

I know (I think) that Byron was being facetious, but I think term limits happen due to attrition and distraction. Just saying. 8)

-b

On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 7:33 PM, Byron Connell byronpconnell@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Unfortunately, we’re not getting very much in the way of new blood since we tend to keep volunteering to serve on concoms.  I’m certainly guilty, as are others I could name.  Maybe we need term limits for SMOCs?

Byron

Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2740 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 4/16/2015
Subject: Re: Access to this list.

 

 

Ah good!   Well, then, it’s time to stir up more trouble!    (rubs hands)

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 9:26 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [runacc] Access to this list.

A few of us from CC35 joined when we won the bid.  We read the info, but as you said, it’s not very active right now so we haven’t been visiting much.

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2741 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 4/16/2015
Subject: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes

 

 

This oughtta stir some debate:   🙂

New subject:

More of our CC memberships are being filled with the ranks of costumers coming from the cosplay community.   At conventions that cater to that demographic, the emphasis is more about wearing their “wow” costumes in the halls for maximum effect.     Often, the costume contests are seemingly more about getting all their fans in one room to cheer them on, rather than a “masquerade”.   This environment was pretty much the case in Toronto.   Don’t get me wrong – it was great having all those new people.   And I applauded efforts to try to impress our “con culture upon all those new folks “.

I recognize that we must reach out to these costumers for the sake of getting new blood, but is there a risk of making too much of an accommodation?   I remember one person on Cosplay.com (a forum that, at least USED to be, a place CC concoms should be paying attention to) said “I spent a lot of time on my one costume and I want to wear it as much as I can”.   So, they wore it pretty much everywhere.   They were not the only ones.   Now, in some ways, I can’t blame them for thinking that way.   But, stay with me here.

Any “wow” factor has been lost by the time they get on stage.   Chances are, the judges will have seen them at some point, beforehand.   This makes the costume less “fresh”.   It’s also not as much fun for the judges because they’ve seen it already – part of the fun for them is the surprise factor.

I suspect this year’s CC will feel more “old school”, but I wonder what will happen at CC34 and subsequently, at 35?

Are the days of saving one’s competition costume for the stage fading?

Should there be more of an effort to encourage people not to wear their competition costume in the halls before the masquerade?

In my opinion, you have a better masquerade without a “preview”.

Discuss!

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2742 From: staceylee25 Date: 4/17/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes

Excellent topic.

I have always maintained, and even said so multiple times on cosplay.com (typing until my fingers cramped, so to speak), that people will have this viewpoint UNTIL someone shows them a different way of doing things. Whenever anyone has asked, and been open to all advice, I always say “just try it once, and you might realize you like the way it feels when you get that surprise factor in!” A lot of people default to what everyone else is doing, and don’t really think about it one way or the other, or if asked why they don’t save the surprise for the stage, parrot what everyone else is saying (“I want to wear it as much as I can”).

As the director for SF&F for 34, I want SO BADLY to put in a rule that you can’t wear your competition costume in the hall prior to Saturday. I want to. I haven’t yet because I don’t know what our members will want. What I’m unsure about is whether it’s enough to simply encourage people to save the surprise for the stage, to be genial and optimistic and phrase it was “well we’re really like to see…but in the end it’s your choice,” or if the only way to get people into the habit is to make it an explicit rule.

Because really, it is a habit. It’s something that, once you give it a try, you realize is actually a really good idea. Especially once your builds start getting so big that wearing it in the hall becomes almost impossible, and while some people learn from their mistakes, not all do. Some people will still wear their heavy, hot armor or their 10-foot-wide wings or their 20-foot long trains in the hall due to habit and inertia, rather than wising up and not getting their costumes dirty, damaged, or start to hate the mere thought of wearing it another five minutes.

CC32 was a good example of exactly why it’s a good idea to save your competition piece for the competition. The masquerade was way over-booked. It went on way too long. But what really made it a chore to sit through was the fact that we had seen 80% of these costumes in the halls all day – if not for two days! And when they came to stage, they didn’t bring us anything new to see – they didn’t do more than a circle-walk-on. We rolled our eyes at the glut of Frozen costumes, but I will at least give the genderswap guy kudos for putting on an actual performance. Sure, I had already been touching the beading on his costume a few hours before, so seeing the outfit was boring, but he took it up a notch. If you’re going to wear the costume all day and only walk across the stage? It’s pointless to even enter.

One of the bad habits the younger generation is picking up is the idea that if you’re wearing a costume, no matter how simple, you should enter it in competition. On the one hand, we do like to encourage novices to take a brave step onto stage, but on the other hand, when you have 50 slots for your masquerade and 40 of them are taken up by novices who are entering solo with a character they can’t even think up a performance for, merely because they have a costume, it weighs down the quality of the masquerade. It’s a catch-22 – you don’t want to discourage novices, but at the same time, a director has to consider the quality of the show and the value for the audience. If you’re going to get a hundred feedback forms post-con and most of them tell you the masquerade sucked because all the entries were boring and lame…well, as a director, you can’t improve the show with that kind of feedback. You’re at the mercy of who enters with what. So it really falls to the community as a whole to develop different habits, so that you can be both encouraging AND put on a great show.

What bugs me most is that wearing competition costumes in the hall actually does prejudice or fatigue the judges, and people don’t even think about this. They’re more focused on their own gratification rather than the whole concept of why the contest exists and what they’re doing in it. They don’t realize that the judges are not nuns sequestered away for the weekend, they’re congoers too and they’re in the halls enjoying themselves while subconsciously evaluating costumes. So by the time that same costume appears before the judging table, the judge may have already made up their mind. Or they’re so plain tired of seeing the costume that they don’t care. It’s unfortunate, but it’s human nature, and it’s something you can’t steel your mind against. If you can’t prevent the judges from THINKING about the costumes, you can at least prevent them from SEEING the costumes by forbidding the wearing.

Maybe it also comes down to encouraging people with “yes, I know you worked hard and want to wear it a lot. Wear it AFTER the show. Wear it Sunday and Monday. Wear it at the NEXT con you’re going to, when it’s no longer in competition and you can enjoy it.” But mostly it’s about developing the habit. I don’t think the days of the surprise on stage are over, and I personally want to see this particular habit stay relevant. I just don’t know, outside of long-windedly blathering on cosplay forums/facebook to try to get it through thick heads (like I do) HOW to cultivate the habit. HOW to get people to give the surprise a try.

At least people who are working so hard on a build that it isn’t finished until the day of the competition automatically save their costume for the stage. It’s probably not a preferable method but it works. 😉

Stace

—In runacc@yahoogroups.com, <casamai@…> wrote :

 

I recognize that we must reach out to these costumers for the sake of getting new blood, but is there a risk of making too much of an accommodation?   I remember one person on Cosplay.com (a forum that, at least USED to be, a place CC concoms should be paying attention to) said “I spent a lot of time on my one costume and I want to wear it as much as I can”.   So, they wore it pretty much everywhere.   They were not the only ones.   Now, in some ways, I can’t blame them for thinking that way.   But, stay with me here.

Any “wow” factor has been lost by the time they get on stage.   Chances are, the judges will have seen them at some point, beforehand.   This makes the costume less “fresh”.   It’s also not as much fun for the judges because they’ve seen it already – part of the fun for them is the surprise factor.

Are the days of saving one’s competition costume for the stage fading?

Should there be more of an effort to encourage people not to wear their competition costume in the halls before the masquerade?

In my opinion, you have a better masquerade without a “preview”.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2743 From: Kevin Roche Date: 4/17/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes

Stace — I have a radical idea for you.

“Costumes seen in the hall beforehand are not eligible for Best in Show. ”

On Friday, April 17, 2015, staceylee25@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Excellent topic.

I have always maintained, and even said so multiple times on cosplay.com (typing until my fingers cramped, so to speak), that people will have this viewpoint UNTIL someone shows them a different way of doing things. Whenever anyone has asked, and been open to all advice, I always say “just try it once, and you might realize you like the way it feels when you get that surprise factor in!” A lot of people default to what everyone else is doing, and don’t really think about it one way or the other, or if asked why they don’t save the surprise for the stage, parrot what everyone else is saying (“I want to wear it as much as I can”).

As the director for SF&F for 34, I want SO BADLY to put in a rule that you can’t wear your competition costume in the hall prior to Saturday. I want to. I haven’t yet because I don’t know what our members will want. What I’m unsure about is whether it’s enough to simply encourage people to save the surprise for the stage, to be genial and optimistic and phrase it was “well we’re really like to see…but in the end it’s your choice,” or if the only way to get people into the habit is to make it an explicit rule.

Because really, it is a habit. It’s something that, once you give it a try, you realize is actually a really good idea. Especially once your builds start getting so big that wearing it in the hall becomes almost impossible, and while some people learn from their mistakes, not all do. Some people will still wear their heavy, hot armor or their 10-foot-wide wings or their 20-foot long trains in the hall due to habit and inertia, rather than wising up and not getting their costumes dirty, damaged, or start to hate the mere thought of wearing it another five minutes.

CC32 was a good example of exactly why it’s a good idea to save your competition piece for the competition. The masquerade was way over-booked. It went on way too long. But what really made it a chore to sit through was the fact that we had seen 80% of these costumes in the halls all day – if not for two days! And when they came to stage, they didn’t bring us anything new to see – they didn’t do more than a circle-walk-on. We rolled our eyes at the glut of Frozen costumes, but I will at least give the genderswap guy kudos for putting on an actual performance. Sure, I had already been touching the beading on his costume a few hours before, so seeing the outfit was boring, but he took it up a notch. If you’re going to wear the costume all day and only walk across the stage? It’s pointless to even enter.

One of the bad habits the younger generation is picking up is the idea that if you’re wearing a costume, no matter how simple, you should enter it in competition. On the one hand, we do like to encourage novices to take a brave step onto stage, but on the other hand, when you have 50 slots for your masquerade and 40 of them are taken up by novices who are entering solo with a character they can’t even think up a performance for, merely because they have a costume, it weighs down the quality of the masquerade. It’s a catch-22 – you don’t want to discourage novices, but at the same time, a director has to consider the quality of the show and the value for the audience. If you’re going to get a hundred feedback forms post-con and most of them tell you the masquerade sucked because all the entries were boring and lame…well, as a director, you can’t improve the show with that kind of feedback. You’re at the mercy of who enters with what. So it really falls to the community as a whole to develop different habits, so that you can be both encouraging AND put on a great show.

What bugs me most is that wearing competition costumes in the hall actually does prejudice or fatigue the judges, and people don’t even think about this. They’re more focused on their own gratification rather than the whole concept of why the contest exists and what they’re doing in it. They don’t realize that the judges are not nuns sequestered away for the weekend, they’re congoers too and they’re in the halls enjoying themselves while subconsciously evaluating costumes. So by the time that same costume appears before the judging table, the judge may have already made up their mind. Or they’re so plain tired of seeing the costume that they don’t care. It’s unfortunate, but it’s human nature, and it’s something you can’t steel your mind against. If you can’t prevent the judges from THINKING about the costumes, you can at least prevent them from SEEING the costumes by forbidding the wearing.

Maybe it also comes down to encouraging people with “yes, I know you worked hard and want to wear it a lot. Wear it AFTER the show. Wear it Sunday and Monday. Wear it at the NEXT con you’re going to, when it’s no longer in competition and you can enjoy it.” But mostly it’s about developing the habit. I don’t think the days of the surprise on stage are over, and I personally want to see this particular habit stay relevant. I just don’t know, outside of long-windedly blathering on cosplay forums/facebook to try to get it through thick heads (like I do) HOW to cultivate the habit. HOW to get people to give the surprise a try.

At least people who are working so hard on a build that it isn’t finished until the day of the competition automatically save their costume for the stage. It’s probably not a preferable method but it works. 😉

Stace

—In runacc@yahoogroups.com, <casamai@…> wrote :

I recognize that we must reach out to these costumers for the sake of getting new blood, but is there a risk of making too much of an accommodation?   I remember one person on Cosplay.com (a forum that, at least USED to be, a place CC concoms should be paying attention to) said “I spent a lot of time on my one costume and I want to wear it as much as I can”.   So, they wore it pretty much everywhere.   They were not the only ones.   Now, in some ways, I can’t blame them for thinking that way.   But, stay with me here.

Any “wow” factor has been lost by the time they get on stage.   Chances are, the judges will have seen them at some point, beforehand.   This makes the costume less “fresh”.   It’s also not as much fun for the judges because they’ve seen it already – part of the fun for them is the surprise factor.

Are the days of saving one’s competition costume for the stage fading?

Should there be more of an effort to encourage people not to wear their competition costume in the halls before the masquerade?

In my opinion, you have a better masquerade without a “preview”.

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2744 From: ECM Date: 4/17/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes

 

Betsy, I agree wholeheartedly!  And I agree that you must continue to repeat yourself on their websites.

However, I’m a little sneaky – as a person “my age” is entitled to be.  I would be very generous with hall costume awards.  VERY generous.  Then put in the rule that costumes that have won hall costume awards will be in the masquerade as “exhibition only.  Not in competition.”  It won’t shorten the parade any, but might have some impact on the costumers, and will surely help the judges.

Elaine Mami
who is urging everyone to vote for CC36 in San Diego!


 

 

Excellent topic.

I have always maintained, and even said so multiple times on cosplay.com (typing until my fingers cramped, so to speak), that people will have this viewpoint UNTIL someone shows them a different way of doing things. Whenever anyone has asked, and been open to all advice, I always say “just try it once, and you might realize you like the way it feels when you get that surprise factor in!” A lot of people default to what everyone else is doing, and don’t really think about it one way or the other, or if asked why they don’t save the surprise for the stage, parrot what everyone else is saying (“I want to wear it as much as I can”).

As the director for SF&F for 34, I want SO BADLY to put in a rule that you can’t wear your competition costume in the hall prior to Saturday. I want to. I haven’t yet because I don’t know what our members will want. What I’m unsure about is whether it’s enough to simply encourage people to save the surprise for the stage, to be genial and optimistic and phrase it was “well we’re really like to see…but in the end it’s your choice,” or if the only way to get people into the habit is to make it an explicit rule.

Because really, it is a habit. It’s something that, once you give it a try, you realize is actually a really good idea. Especially once your builds start getting so big that wearing it in the hall becomes almost impossible, and while some people learn from their mistakes, not all do. Some people will still wear their heavy, hot armor or their 10-foot-wide wings or their 20-foot long trains in the hall due to habit and inertia, rather than wising up and not getting their costumes dirty, damaged, or start to hate the mere thought of wearing it another five minutes.

CC32 was a good example of exactly why it’s a good idea to save your competition piece for the competition. The masquerade was way over-booked. It went on way too long. But what really made it a chore to sit through was the fact that we had seen 80% of these costumes in the halls all day – if not for two days! And when they came to stage, they didn’t bring us anything new to see – they didn’t do more than a circle-walk-on. We rolled our eyes at the glut of Frozen costumes, but I will at least give the genderswap guy kudos for putting on an actual performance. Sure, I had already been touching the beading on his costume a few hours before, so seeing the outfit was boring, but he took it up a notch. If you’re going to wear the costume all day and only walk across the stage? It’s pointless to even enter.

One of the bad habits the younger generation is picking up is the idea that if you’re wearing a costume, no matter how simple, you should enter it in competition. On the one hand, we do like to encourage novices to take a brave step onto stage, but on the other hand, when you have 50 slots for your masquerade and 40 of them are taken up by novices who are entering solo with a character they can’t even think up a performance for, merely because they have a costume, it weighs down the quality of the masquerade. It’s a catch-22 – you don’t want to discourage novices, but at the same time, a director has to consider the quality of the show and the value for the audience. If you’re going to get a hundred feedback forms post-con and most of them tell you the masquerade sucked because all the entries were boring and lame…well, as a director, you can’t improve the show with that kind of feedback. You’re at the mercy of who enters with what. So it really falls to the community as a whole to develop different habits, so that you can be both encouraging AND put on a great show.

What bugs me most is that wearing competition costumes in the hall actually does prejudice or fatigue the judges, and people don’t even think about this. They’re more focused on their own gratification rather than the whole concept of why the contest exists and what they’re doing in it. They don’t realize that the judges are not nuns sequestered away for the weekend, they’re congoers too and they’re in the halls enjoying themselves while subconsciously evaluating costumes. So by the time that same costume appears before the judging table, the judge may have already made up their mind. Or they’re so plain tired of seeing the costume that they don’t care. It’s unfortunate, but it’s human nature, and it’s something you can’t steel your mind against. If you can’t prevent the judges from THINKING about the costumes, you can at least prevent them from SEEING the costumes by forbidding the wearing.

Maybe it also comes down to encouraging people with “yes, I know you worked hard and want to wear it a lot. Wear it AFTER the show. Wear it Sunday and Monday. Wear it at the NEXT con you’re going to, when it’s no longer in competition and you can enjoy it.” But mostly it’s about developing the habit. I don’t think the days of the surprise on stage are over, and I personally want to see this particular habit stay relevant. I just don’t know, outside of long-windedly blathering on cosplay forums/facebook to try to get it through thick heads (like I do) HOW to cultivate the habit. HOW to get people to give the surprise a try.

At least people who are working so hard on a build that it isn’t finished until the day of the competition automatically save their costume for the stage. It’s probably not a preferable method but it works. 😉

Stace

—In runacc@yahoogroups.com, <casamai@…> wrote :

 

I recognize that we must reach out to these costumers for the sake of getting new blood, but is there a risk of making too much of an accommodation?   I remember one person on Cosplay.com (a forum that, at least USED to be, a place CC concoms should be paying attention to) said “I spent a lot of time on my one costume and I want to wear it as much as I can”.   So, they wore it pretty much everywhere.   They were not the only ones.   Now, in some ways, I can’t blame them for thinking that way.   But, stay with me here.

Any “wow” factor has been lost by the time they get on stage.   Chances are, the judges will have seen them at some point, beforehand.   This makes the costume less “fresh”.   It’s also not as much fun for the judges because they’ve seen it already – part of the fun for them is the surprise factor.

Are the days of saving one’s competition costume for the stage fading?

Should there be more of an effort to encourage people not to wear their competition costume in the halls before the masquerade?

In my opinion, you have a better masquerade without a “preview”.

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2745 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 4/17/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes

Somehow I think this response was intended for Stacie. 8)

-B

 

 

On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 2:03 PM, ECM ecmami@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Betsy, I agree wholeheartedly!  And I agree that you must continue to repeat yourself on their websites.

However, I’m a little sneaky – as a person “my age” is entitled to be.  I would be very generous with hall costume awards.  VERY generous.  Then put in the rule that costumes that have won hall costume awards will be in the masquerade as “exhibition only.  Not in competition.”  It won’t shorten the parade any, but might have some impact on the costumers, and will surely help the judges.

Elaine Mami
who is urging everyone to vote for CC36 in San Diego!


 

 

Excellent topic.

I have always maintained, and even said so multiple times on cosplay.com (typing until my fingers cramped, so to speak), that people will have this viewpoint UNTIL someone shows them a different way of doing things. Whenever anyone has asked, and been open to all advice, I always say “just try it once, and you might realize you like the way it feels when you get that surprise factor in!” A lot of people default to what everyone else is doing, and don’t really think about it one way or the other, or if asked why they don’t save the surprise for the stage, parrot what everyone else is saying (“I want to wear it as much as I can”).

As the director for SF&F for 34, I want SO BADLY to put in a rule that you can’t wear your competition costume in the hall prior to Saturday. I want to. I haven’t yet because I don’t know what our members will want. What I’m unsure about is whether it’s enough to simply encourage people to save the surprise for the stage, to be genial and optimistic and phrase it was “well we’re really like to see…but in the end it’s your choice,” or if the only way to get people into the habit is to make it an explicit rule.

Because really, it is a habit. It’s something that, once you give it a try, you realize is actually a really good idea. Especially once your builds start getting so big that wearing it in the hall becomes almost impossible, and while some people learn from their mistakes, not all do. Some people will still wear their heavy, hot armor or their 10-foot-wide wings or their 20-foot long trains in the hall due to habit and inertia, rather than wising up and not getting their costumes dirty, damaged, or start to hate the mere thought of wearing it another five minutes.

CC32 was a good example of exactly why it’s a good idea to save your competition piece for the competition. The masquerade was way over-booked. It went on way too long. But what really made it a chore to sit through was the fact that we had seen 80% of these costumes in the halls all day – if not for two days! And when they came to stage, they didn’t bring us anything new to see – they didn’t do more than a circle-walk-on. We rolled our eyes at the glut of Frozen costumes, but I will at least give the genderswap guy kudos for putting on an actual performance. Sure, I had already been touching the beading on his costume a few hours before, so seeing the outfit was boring, but he took it up a notch. If you’re going to wear the costume all day and only walk across the stage? It’s pointless to even enter.

One of the bad habits the younger generation is picking up is the idea that if you’re wearing a costume, no matter how simple, you should enter it in competition. On the one hand, we do like to encourage novices to take a brave step onto stage, but on the other hand, when you have 50 slots for your masquerade and 40 of them are taken up by novices who are entering solo with a character they can’t even think up a performance for, merely because they have a costume, it weighs down the quality of the masquerade. It’s a catch-22 – you don’t want to discourage novices, but at the same time, a director has to consider the quality of the show and the value for the audience. If you’re going to get a hundred feedback forms post-con and most of them tell you the masquerade sucked because all the entries were boring and lame…well, as a director, you can’t improve the show with that kind of feedback. You’re at the mercy of who enters with what. So it really falls to the community as a whole to develop different habits, so that you can be both encouraging AND put on a great show.

What bugs me most is that wearing competition costumes in the hall actually does prejudice or fatigue the judges, and people don’t even think about this. They’re more focused on their own gratification rather than the whole concept of why the contest exists and what they’re doing in it. They don’t realize that the judges are not nuns sequestered away for the weekend, they’re congoers too and they’re in the halls enjoying themselves while subconsciously evaluating costumes. So by the time that same costume appears before the judging table, the judge may have already made up their mind. Or they’re so plain tired of seeing the costume that they don’t care. It’s unfortunate, but it’s human nature, and it’s something you can’t steel your mind against. If you can’t prevent the judges from THINKING about the costumes, you can at least prevent them from SEEING the costumes by forbidding the wearing.

Maybe it also comes down to encouraging people with “yes, I know you worked hard and want to wear it a lot. Wear it AFTER the show. Wear it Sunday and Monday. Wear it at the NEXT con you’re going to, when it’s no longer in competition and you can enjoy it.” But mostly it’s about developing the habit. I don’t think the days of the surprise on stage are over, and I personally want to see this particular habit stay relevant. I just don’t know, outside of long-windedly blathering on cosplay forums/facebook to try to get it through thick heads (like I do) HOW to cultivate the habit. HOW to get people to give the surprise a try.

At least people who are working so hard on a build that it isn’t finished until the day of the competition automatically save their costume for the stage. It’s probably not a preferable method but it works. 😉

Stace

—In runacc@yahoogroups.com, <casamai@…> wrote :

I recognize that we must reach out to these costumers for the sake of getting new blood, but is there a risk of making too much of an accommodation?   I remember one person on Cosplay.com (a forum that, at least USED to be, a place CC concoms should be paying attention to) said “I spent a lot of time on my one costume and I want to wear it as much as I can”.   So, they wore it pretty much everywhere.   They were not the only ones.   Now, in some ways, I can’t blame them for thinking that way.   But, stay with me here.

Any “wow” factor has been lost by the time they get on stage.   Chances are, the judges will have seen them at some point, beforehand.   This makes the costume less “fresh”.   It’s also not as much fun for the judges because they’ve seen it already – part of the fun for them is the surprise factor.

Are the days of saving one’s competition costume for the stage fading?

Should there be more of an effort to encourage people not to wear their competition costume in the halls before the masquerade?

In my opinion, you have a better masquerade without a “preview”.

 

 

 


Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2746 From: Kaijugal . Date: 4/17/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes

 

As someone who works with the Toronto/Montreal/Ottawa—Ontario/Quebec community extensively,

I encourage costumers to save their new “wow” costumes for the masquerade, and wear last years “Wow” costume in the halls. Alternatively save “Wow” for Sunday after the masquerade has taken place. It’s not always easy as people usually are scrambling to leave on Sunday and drive back home for work.

The second should be easier to encourage at Costume-Con where people often stay the extra  day and aren’t always scrambling at 10am Sunday to check out of their hotel rooms. Also the post masquerade Show-and-Tell sessions on Sunday really gave first timers a new POV on this. 🙂

Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 21:03:10 -0500
Subject: [runacc] Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes

 

 

This oughtta stir some debate:   🙂

New subject:

More of our CC memberships are being filled with the ranks of costumers coming from the cosplay community.   At conventions that cater to that demographic, the emphasis is more about wearing their “wow” costumes in the halls for maximum effect.     Often, the costume contests are seemingly more about getting all their fans in one room to cheer them on, rather than a “masquerade”.   This environment was pretty much the case in Toronto.   Don’t get me wrong – it was great having all those new people.   And I applauded efforts to try to impress our “con culture upon all those new folks “.

I recognize that we must reach out to these costumers for the sake of getting new blood, but is there a risk of making too much of an accommodation?   I remember one person on Cosplay.com (a forum that, at least USED to be, a place CC concoms should be paying attention to) said “I spent a lot of time on my one costume and I want to wear it as much as I can”.   So, they wore it pretty much everywhere.   They were not the only ones.   Now, in some ways, I can’t blame them for thinking that way.   But, stay with me here.

Any “wow” factor has been lost by the time they get on stage.   Chances are, the judges will have seen them at some point, beforehand.   This makes the costume less “fresh”.   It’s also not as much fun for the judges because they’ve seen it already – part of the fun for them is the surprise factor.

I suspect this year’s CC will feel more “old school”, but I wonder what will happen at CC34 and subsequently, at 35?

Are the days of saving one’s competition costume for the stage fading?

Should there be more of an effort to encourage people not to wear their competition costume in the halls before the masquerade?

In my opinion, you have a better masquerade without a “preview”.

Discuss!

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2747 From: Kaijugal . Date: 4/17/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes

 

Stace wrote: “genderswap guy kudos for putting on an actual performance” , “Genderswap guy” was Niq Vanderaa (Detailed Illusion), one half of Canada’s World Cosplay Summit Team for this coming year.

Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 09:40:08 -0700
Subject: [runacc] Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes

 

Excellent topic.

I have always maintained, and even said so multiple times on cosplay.com (typing until my fingers cramped, so to speak), that people will have this viewpoint UNTIL someone shows them a different way of doing things. Whenever anyone has asked, and been open to all advice, I always say “just try it once, and you might realize you like the way it feels when you get that surprise factor in!” A lot of people default to what everyone else is doing, and don’t really think about it one way or the other, or if asked why they don’t save the surprise for the stage, parrot what everyone else is saying (“I want to wear it as much as I can”).

As the director for SF&F for 34, I want SO BADLY to put in a rule that you can’t wear your competition costume in the hall prior to Saturday. I want to. I haven’t yet because I don’t know what our members will want. What I’m unsure about is whether it’s enough to simply encourage people to save the surprise for the stage, to be genial and optimistic and phrase it was “well we’re really like to see…but in the end it’s your choice,” or if the only way to get people into the habit is to make it an explicit rule.

Because really, it is a habit. It’s something that, once you give it a try, you realize is actually a really good idea. Especially once your builds start getting so big that wearing it in the hall becomes almost impossible, and while some people learn from their mistakes, not all do. Some people will still wear their heavy, hot armor or their 10-foot-wide wings or their 20-foot long trains in the hall due to habit and inertia, rather than wising up and not getting their costumes dirty, damaged, or start to hate the mere thought of wearing it another five minutes.

CC32 was a good example of exactly why it’s a good idea to save your competition piece for the competition. The masquerade was way over-booked. It went on way too long. But what really made it a chore to sit through was the fact that we had seen 80% of these costumes in the halls all day – if not for two days! And when they came to stage, they didn’t bring us anything new to see – they didn’t do more than a circle-walk-on. We rolled our eyes at the glut of Frozen costumes, but I will at least give the genderswap guy kudos for putting on an actual performance. Sure, I had already been touching the beading on his costume a few hours before, so seeing the outfit was boring, but he took it up a notch. If you’re going to wear the costume all day and only walk across the stage? It’s pointless to even enter.

One of the bad habits the younger generation is picking up is the idea that if you’re wearing a costume, no matter how simple, you should enter it in competition. On the one hand, we do like to encourage novices to take a brave step onto stage, but on the other hand, when you have 50 slots for your masquerade and 40 of them are taken up by novices who are entering solo with a character they can’t even think up a performance for, merely because they have a costume, it weighs down the quality of the masquerade. It’s a catch-22 – you don’t want to discourage novices, but at the same time, a director has to consider the quality of the show and the value for the audience. If you’re going to get a hundred feedback forms post-con and most of them tell you the masquerade sucked because all the entries were boring and lame…well, as a director, you can’t improve the show with that kind of feedback. You’re at the mercy of who enters with what. So it really falls to the community as a whole to develop different habits, so that you can be both encouraging AND put on a great show.

What bugs me most is that wearing competition costumes in the hall actually does prejudice or fatigue the judges, and people don’t even think about this. They’re more focused on their own gratification rather than the whole concept of why the contest exists and what they’re doing in it. They don’t realize that the judges are not nuns sequestered away for the weekend, they’re congoers too and they’re in the halls enjoying themselves while subconsciously evaluating costumes. So by the time that same costume appears before the judging table, the judge may have already made up their mind. Or they’re so plain tired of seeing the costume that they don’t care. It’s unfortunate, but it’s human nature, and it’s something you can’t steel your mind against. If you can’t prevent the judges from THINKING about the costumes, you can at least prevent them from SEEING the costumes by forbidding the wearing.

Maybe it also comes down to encouraging people with “yes, I know you worked hard and want to wear it a lot. Wear it AFTER the show. Wear it Sunday and Monday. Wear it at the NEXT con you’re going to, when it’s no longer in competition and you can enjoy it.” But mostly it’s about developing the habit. I don’t think the days of the surprise on stage are over, and I personally want to see this particular habit stay relevant. I just don’t know, outside of long-windedly blathering on cosplay forums/facebook to try to get it through thick heads (like I do) HOW to cultivate the habit. HOW to get people to give the surprise a try.

At least people who are working so hard on a build that it isn’t finished until the day of the competition automatically save their costume for the stage. It’s probably not a preferable method but it works. 😉

Stace

—In runacc@yahoogroups.com, <casamai@…> wrote :

 

I recognize that we must reach out to these costumers for the sake of getting new blood, but is there a risk of making too much of an accommodation?   I remember one person on Cosplay.com (a forum that, at least USED to be, a place CC concoms should be paying attention to) said “I spent a lot of time on my one costume and I want to wear it as much as I can”.   So, they wore it pretty much everywhere.   They were not the only ones.   Now, in some ways, I can’t blame them for thinking that way.   But, stay with me here.

Any “wow” factor has been lost by the time they get on stage.   Chances are, the judges will have seen them at some point, beforehand.   This makes the costume less “fresh”.   It’s also not as much fun for the judges because they’ve seen it already – part of the fun for them is the surprise factor.

Are the days of saving one’s competition costume for the stage fading?

Should there be more of an effort to encourage people not to wear their competition costume in the halls before the masquerade?

In my opinion, you have a better masquerade without a “preview”.

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2748 From: Byron Connell Date: 4/17/2015
Subject: Re: Access to this list – “term limits”

 

As I read the ConStitution,it does not limit bids to those from ICG chapters.  If we want to broaden participation, perhaps we should encourage other costuming groups to bid to host Costume-Con.

 

Byron

 

 

On Apr 16, 2015, at 9:39 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Getting new chapters to throw a CC helps.   We were needling certain MNSOC members at Teslacon last year, and they seemed to be at least mulling over the idea of a future bid.   At least, with more regions involved, it helps get a wider rotation of the “oldsters” who may feel obligated to step in if no bid arises.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 8:25 AM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: Re: [runacc] Access to this list.




Byron has a point. We tend to reuse volunteers for our concoms, even if the chairs change. Theoretically, we all serve once, but there are folks who’ve served multiple times, and many of these people just swap jobs.

We haven’t had whole committees on this list, just chairs and treasurers (I think). We could theoretically broaden the invitation to more concom members, but there’s that same signal to noise ratio issue to deal with.

I know (I think) that Byron was being facetious, but I think term limits happen due to attrition and distraction. Just saying. 8)

-b

On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 7:33 PM, Byron Connell byronpconnell@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



Unfortunately, we’re not getting very much in the way of new blood since we tend to keep volunteering to serve on concoms.  I’m certainly guilty, as are others I could name.  Maybe we need term limits for SMOCs?

Byron

 

Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/




 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2749 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 4/17/2015
Subject: Re: Access to this list – bid groups

 

 

True enough, but to really get the manpower, you’re frequently drawing from whole chapters.   Of course, that’s not been the trend more recently.   Yet, other groups need to make sure they make an effort to become part of and understand our community/culture.  Otherwise, we run into the problem of concoms who think running a CC is interchangeable with any other con they’ve staffed.   No – no, it’s not.

 

You might recall we had a bid from Eau Claire a few years back.   (Practically) no one knew who they were and they did not win the bid, not surprisingly.

 

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 5:58 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Access to this list – “term limits”

As I read the ConStitution,it does not limit bids to those from ICG chapters.  If we want to broaden participation, perhaps we should encourage other costuming groups to bid to host Costume-Con.

Byron

 

On Apr 16, 2015, at 9:39 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Getting new chapters to throw a CC helps.   We were needling certain MNSOC members at Teslacon last year, and they seemed to be at least mulling over the idea of a future bid.   At least, with more regions involved, it helps get a wider rotation of the “oldsters” who may feel obligated to step in if no bid arises.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 8:25 AM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: Re: [runacc] Access to this list.

Byron has a point. We tend to reuse volunteers for our concoms, even if the chairs change. Theoretically, we all serve once, but there are folks who’ve served multiple times, and many of these people just swap jobs.

We haven’t had whole committees on this list, just chairs and treasurers (I think). We could theoretically broaden the invitation to more concom members, but there’s that same signal to noise ratio issue to deal with.

I know (I think) that Byron was being facetious, but I think term limits happen due to attrition and distraction. Just saying. 8)

-b

On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 7:33 PM, Byron Connell byronpconnell@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Unfortunately, we’re not getting very much in the way of new blood since we tend to keep volunteering to serve on concoms.  I’m certainly guilty, as are others I could name.  Maybe we need term limits for SMOCs?

Byron

 

Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2750 From: Byron Connell Date: 4/17/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes

 

I’d like to use a few electrons to look at how we got here.  Kevin and Andy really are the historians of costuming, however, and I hope they’ll chime in.

 

In the beginning there were hall costumes.  There were no competition costumes because there were no competitions.  In 1939, Forry Ackerman and Morojo worse costumes Morojo made to the very first World Science Fiction Convention (NYCon 1).  To the best of my knowledge, no one else did so.  Over time, as more fen began to wear them (e.g., E.E. “Doc” Smith, who liked to dress as his Lensman character, Kimball Kinnison), concoms began to organize events at which they could show them off.  These were very much masquerade parties, not stage shows.  As time went on, opportunities were given for persons in costume to step up to a microphone and talk about their costume.
The popularity of costume-wearing at SF cons became so great that, by the time the masquerade party had morphed into a stage show, entries frequently exceed 100 in number and the “Masquerade” could run for hours.  To reduce the size of masquerades, MDs began to use a rule that no costume seen in the hall before the masquerade could be entered.  This actually was very effective in cutting the number of masquerade entries down to a reasonable size (e.g., 50).  The first version of the ICG’s masquerade guidelines included the suggestion that such a commonly found rule be included.  That version was adopted by ballots counted at the 1992 ICG annual meeting (at CC 10).  It worked.
Costume-Con is a child of SF conventions.  Its structure is very similar.  Like SF cons, we have programming, social events, a dealers’ room, and competitions.  The costume exhibit essentially is a replacement for the SF con art show.  Similar to worldcons, we bid years in advance for the right to hold a CC and the current members vote on the bid(s).  While we don’t have the equivalent of the Hugo awards, the multiple competitions in a sense fill that niche.  We give tacit recognition to local costuming clubs, especially ICG chapters, much as local SF clubs participate in the worldcon (especially if they hold their own local SF conventions).  We’ve even had a Guest of Honor on occasion (e.g., CC 33).
Since the time we included a “no hall costumes in the masquerade” guideline in the ICG Guidelines in 1992, the wearing of hall costumes declined in popularity at SF cons, though not so much at CCs.  Masquerades also had gotten smaller.  That, I believe, was the principal reason that the current ICG Fairness Guidelines dropped that provision when they were adopted in 2006. It was no longer needed.  It had become common for masquerades at local and regional sf cons, and even at worldcons, to number fewer than 25.  In 2009, for example, the Anticipation masquerade (Montreal) had 30 entries; in 2011, the Chicon 7 masquerade had 27.  Costume-Cons followed a similar trend to smaller masquerades.  The CC 11 SFF masquerade had 43 entries.  The CC 29 SFF masquerade had 32; the CC 31 SFF masquerade had 31.
At CC 32, the SFF masquerade had 79 entries, 2 1/2 times the number the year before.  This was not just because of cosplayers attracted to the first CC in Ontario since CC 13, since even the Historical, which is lucky to have 20 entries, had 31.  CC 32 also set a new record for memberships.  At this point, I have absolutely no idea how much pent up costuming energy there is for CC 33.  Ther has never been a CC in the South and few southern SF cons have masquerades, so we may get a lot of members and entries.  The same may be true for 34, in Madison Wisconsin, although there have been mid-western CCs.  It may not be true for 35 in Mississauga, only three years after 32 in Toronto.
So, should you once again exclude hall costumes from the masquerade?  If you want to, go ahead; the MD’s word is law.  If you believe a CC (or any other con with a masquerade) is likely to have a very large number of members both desiring to show hall costumes and to enter the masquerade, you may want to do so in order to reduce the number of entries.  It worked in the past; it may do so again.  You have other options, however, such as restricting the availability of some awards.
“Are the days of saving one’s competition costume for the stage fading?”  Those days are relatively recent — only about 20 years old.  They don’t represent the long-term trend.  Whether that’s good or bad is up to you.  As one experienced performance judge, I’m not much concerned about the “wow” factor being reduced by having seen the costume in the halls.  I generally don’t remember that I’ve seen the costume in the halls and, anyway, I’m also looking at it under optimum lighting and as presented to the audience with the intended soundtrack.  Those factors all are missing in the halls.  We may want to ask other judges for their views on this point.
Byron the Boring
On Apr 16, 2015, at 10:03 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

This oughtta stir some debate:   🙂

New subject:

More of our CC memberships are being filled with the ranks of costumers coming from the cosplay community.   At conventions that cater to that demographic, the emphasis is more about wearing their “wow” costumes in the halls for maximum effect.     Often, the costume contests are seemingly more about getting all their fans in one room to cheer them on, rather than a “masquerade”.   This environment was pretty much the case in Toronto.   Don’t get me wrong – it was great having all those new people.   And I applauded efforts to try to impress our “con culture upon all those new folks “.

I recognize that we must reach out to these costumers for the sake of getting new blood, but is there a risk of making too much of an accommodation?   I remember one person on Cosplay.com (a forum that, at least USED to be, a place CC concoms should be paying attention to) said “I spent a lot of time on my one costume and I want to wear it as much as I can”.   So, they wore it pretty much everywhere.   They were not the only ones.   Now, in some ways, I can’t blame them for thinking that way.   But, stay with me here.

Any “wow” factor has been lost by the time they get on stage.   Chances are, the judges will have seen them at some point, beforehand.   This makes the costume less “fresh”.   It’s also not as much fun for the judges because they’ve seen it already – part of the fun for them is the surprise factor.

I suspect this year’s CC will feel more “old school”, but I wonder what will happen at CC34 and subsequently, at 35?

Are the days of saving one’s competition costume for the stage fading?

Should there be more of an effort to encourage people not to wear their competition costume in the halls before the masquerade?

In my opinion, you have a better masquerade without a “preview”.

Discuss!

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2751 From: Byron Connell Date: 4/17/2015
Subject: Re: Access to this list – bid groups

 

Maybe our culture needs to take steps to encompass theirs?

 

Byron

 

 

On Apr 17, 2015, at 8:35 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

True enough, but to really get the manpower, you’re frequently drawing from whole chapters.   Of course, that’s not been the trend more recently.   Yet, other groups need to make sure they make an effort to become part of and understand our community/culture.  Otherwise, we run into the problem of concoms who think running a CC is interchangeable with any other con they’ve staffed.   No – no, it’s not.

 

You might recall we had a bid from Eau Claire a few years back.   (Practically) no one knew who they were and they did not win the bid, not surprisingly.

 

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 5:58 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
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As I read the ConStitution,it does not limit bids to those from ICG chapters.  If we want to broaden participation, perhaps we should encourage other costuming groups to bid to host Costume-Con.

Byron

On Apr 16, 2015, at 9:39 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Getting new chapters to throw a CC helps.   We were needling certain MNSOC members at Teslacon last year, and they seemed to be at least mulling over the idea of a future bid.   At least, with more regions involved, it helps get a wider rotation of the “oldsters” who may feel obligated to step in if no bid arises.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 8:25 AM
To: List, Run a CC
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Byron has a point. We tend to reuse volunteers for our concoms, even if the chairs change. Theoretically, we all serve once, but there are folks who’ve served multiple times, and many of these people just swap jobs.

We haven’t had whole committees on this list, just chairs and treasurers (I think). We could theoretically broaden the invitation to more concom members, but there’s that same signal to noise ratio issue to deal with.

I know (I think) that Byron was being facetious, but I think term limits happen due to attrition and distraction. Just saying. 8)

-b

On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 7:33 PM, Byron Connell byronpconnell@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



Unfortunately, we’re not getting very much in the way of new blood since we tend to keep volunteering to serve on concoms.  I’m certainly guilty, as are others I could name.  Maybe we need term limits for SMOCs?

Byron

 

Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/




 



 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2752 From: ECM Date: 4/17/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes

 

True.  Sorry.  ~.~

E


 

 

Somehow I think this response was intended for Stacie. 8)

-B

 

 

On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 2:03 PM, ECM ecmami@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Betsy, I agree wholeheartedly!  And I agree that you must continue to repeat yourself on their websites.

However, I’m a little sneaky – as a person “my age” is entitled to be.  I would be very generous with hall costume awards.  VERY generous.  Then put in the rule that costumes that have won hall costume awards will be in the masquerade as “exhibition only.  Not in competition.”  It won’t shorten the parade any, but might have some impact on the costumers, and will surely help the judges.

Elaine Mami
who is urging everyone to vote for CC36 in San Diego!


 

 

Excellent topic.

I have always maintained, and even said so multiple times on cosplay.com (typing until my fingers cramped, so to speak), that people will have this viewpoint UNTIL someone shows them a different way of doing things. Whenever anyone has asked, and been open to all advice, I always say “just try it once, and you might realize you like the way it feels when you get that surprise factor in!” A lot of people default to what everyone else is doing, and don’t really think about it one way or the other, or if asked why they don’t save the surprise for the stage, parrot what everyone else is saying (“I want to wear it as much as I can”).

As the director for SF&F for 34, I want SO BADLY to put in a rule that you can’t wear your competition costume in the hall prior to Saturday. I want to. I haven’t yet because I don’t know what our members will want. What I’m unsure about is whether it’s enough to simply encourage people to save the surprise for the stage, to be genial and optimistic and phrase it was “well we’re really like to see…but in the end it’s your choice,” or if the only way to get people into the habit is to make it an explicit rule.

Because really, it is a habit. It’s something that, once you give it a try, you realize is actually a really good idea. Especially once your builds start getting so big that wearing it in the hall becomes almost impossible, and while some people learn from their mistakes, not all do. Some people will still wear their heavy, hot armor or their 10-foot-wide wings or their 20-foot long trains in the hall due to habit and inertia, rather than wising up and not getting their costumes dirty, damaged, or start to hate the mere thought of wearing it another five minutes.

CC32 was a good example of exactly why it’s a good idea to save your competition piece for the competition. The masquerade was way over-booked. It went on way too long. But what really made it a chore to sit through was the fact that we had seen 80% of these costumes in the halls all day – if not for two days! And when they came to stage, they didn’t bring us anything new to see – they didn’t do more than a circle-walk-on. We rolled our eyes at the glut of Frozen costumes, but I will at least give the genderswap guy kudos for putting on an actual performance. Sure, I had already been touching the beading on his costume a few hours before, so seeing the outfit was boring, but he took it up a notch. If you’re going to wear the costume all day and only walk across the stage? It’s pointless to even enter.

One of the bad habits the younger generation is picking up is the idea that if you’re wearing a costume, no matter how simple, you should enter it in competition. On the one hand, we do like to encourage novices to take a brave step onto stage, but on the other hand, when you have 50 slots for your masquerade and 40 of them are taken up by novices who are entering solo with a character they can’t even think up a performance for, merely because they have a costume, it weighs down the quality of the masquerade. It’s a catch-22 – you don’t want to discourage novices, but at the same time, a director has to consider the quality of the show and the value for the audience. If you’re going to get a hundred feedback forms post-con and most of them tell you the masquerade sucked because all the entries were boring and lame…well, as a director, you can’t improve the show with that kind of feedback. You’re at the mercy of who enters with what. So it really falls to the community as a whole to develop different habits, so that you can be both encouraging AND put on a great show.

What bugs me most is that wearing competition costumes in the hall actually does prejudice or fatigue the judges, and people don’t even think about this. They’re more focused on their own gratification rather than the whole concept of why the contest exists and what they’re doing in it. They don’t realize that the judges are not nuns sequestered away for the weekend, they’re congoers too and they’re in the halls enjoying themselves while subconsciously evaluating costumes. So by the time that same costume appears before the judging table, the judge may have already made up their mind. Or they’re so plain tired of seeing the costume that they don’t care. It’s unfortunate, but it’s human nature, and it’s something you can’t steel your mind against. If you can’t prevent the judges from THINKING about the costumes, you can at least prevent them from SEEING the costumes by forbidding the wearing.

Maybe it also comes down to encouraging people with “yes, I know you worked hard and want to wear it a lot. Wear it AFTER the show. Wear it Sunday and Monday. Wear it at the NEXT con you’re going to, when it’s no longer in competition and you can enjoy it.” But mostly it’s about developing the habit. I don’t think the days of the surprise on stage are over, and I personally want to see this particular habit stay relevant. I just don’t know, outside of long-windedly blathering on cosplay forums/facebook to try to get it through thick heads (like I do) HOW to cultivate the habit. HOW to get people to give the surprise a try.

At least people who are working so hard on a build that it isn’t finished until the day of the competition automatically save their costume for the stage. It’s probably not a preferable method but it works. 😉

Stace

—In runacc@yahoogroups.com, <casamai@…> wrote :

 

I recognize that we must reach out to these costumers for the sake of getting new blood, but is there a risk of making too much of an accommodation?   I remember one person on Cosplay.com (a forum that, at least USED to be, a place CC concoms should be paying attention to) said “I spent a lot of time on my one costume and I want to wear it as much as I can”.   So, they wore it pretty much everywhere.   They were not the only ones.   Now, in some ways, I can’t blame them for thinking that way.   But, stay with me here.

Any “wow” factor has been lost by the time they get on stage.   Chances are, the judges will have seen them at some point, beforehand.   This makes the costume less “fresh”.   It’s also not as much fun for the judges because they’ve seen it already – part of the fun for them is the surprise factor.

Are the days of saving one’s competition costume for the stage fading?

Should there be more of an effort to encourage people not to wear their competition costume in the halls before the masquerade?
In my opinion, you have a better masquerade without a “preview”.

 

 

 


Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2753 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 4/17/2015
Subject: Re: Hall costumes are becoming the Competition costumes

Although I understand the sentiment behind the rule, I just can’t get behind it because I see too much area for confusion.  For example, at CC 32 there was quite a line for the Green Room and lots of people came early and stood in the hall.  It was, in my opinion, early enough that a judge may not have realized in the elevator that it was time.  There’s also the question of people wanting to wear their costume to rehearsal and getting there.  I know most of us carry or wear part of the costume, but there are some costumes and/or presentations where it may be important, but judges may not realize in the elevator at 11:00 am that they should look the other way.  Imo it’s better to get judges who can work to put that aside and judge the workmanship based on the information given and the presentation based on what was onstage.  Nigh-impossible, I agree, but we already trust our judges with not remembering other Masquerades where they saw a similar costume or not judging a costumer’s past work when considering this current contest, and I feel this is no different.

~Aurora

 

On Friday, April 17, 2015, Byron Connell byronpconnell@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I’d like to use a few electrons to look at how we got here.  Kevin and Andy really are the historians of costuming, however, and I hope they’ll chime in.

In the beginning there were hall costumes.  There were no competition costumes because there were no competitions.  In 1939, Forry Ackerman and Morojo worse costumes Morojo made to the very first World Science Fiction Convention (NYCon 1).  To the best of my knowledge, no one else did so.  Over time, as more fen began to wear them (e.g., E.E. “Doc” Smith, who liked to dress as his Lensman character, Kimball Kinnison), concoms began to organize events at which they could show them off.  These were very much masquerade parties, not stage shows.  As time went on, opportunities were given for persons in costume to step up to a microphone and talk about their costume.
The popularity of costume-wearing at SF cons became so great that, by the time the masquerade party had morphed into a stage show, entries frequently exceed 100 in number and the “Masquerade” could run for hours.  To reduce the size of masquerades, MDs began to use a rule that no costume seen in the hall before the masquerade could be entered.  This actually was very effective in cutting the number of masquerade entries down to a reasonable size (e.g., 50).  The first version of the ICG’s masquerade guidelines included the suggestion that such a commonly found rule be included.  That version was adopted by ballots counted at the 1992 ICG annual meeting (at CC 10).  It worked.
Costume-Con is a child of SF conventions.  Its structure is very similar.  Like SF cons, we have programming, social events, a dealers’ room, and competitions.  The costume exhibit essentially is a replacement for the SF con art show.  Similar to worldcons, we bid years in advance for the right to hold a CC and the current members vote on the bid(s).  While we don’t have the equivalent of the Hugo awards, the multiple competitions in a sense fill that niche.  We give tacit recognition to local costuming clubs, especially ICG chapters, much as local SF clubs participate in the worldcon (especially if they hold their own local SF conventions).  We’ve even had a Guest of Honor on occasion (e.g., CC 33).
Since the time we included a “no hall costumes in the masquerade” guideline in the ICG Guidelines in 1992, the wearing of hall costumes declined in popularity at SF cons, though not so much at CCs.  Masquerades also had gotten smaller.  That, I believe, was the principal reason that the current ICG Fairness Guidelines dropped that provision when they were adopted in 2006. It was no longer needed.  It had become common for masquerades at local and regional sf cons, and even at worldcons, to number fewer than 25.  In 2009, for example, the Anticipation masquerade (Montreal) had 30 entries; in 2011, the Chicon 7 masquerade had 27.  Costume-Cons followed a similar trend to smaller masquerades.  The CC 11 SFF masquerade had 43 entries.  The CC 29 SFF masquerade had 32; the CC 31 SFF masquerade had 31.
At CC 32, the SFF masquerade had 79 entries, 2 1/2 times the number the year before.  This was not just because of cosplayers attracted to the first CC in Ontario since CC 13, since even the Historical, which is lucky to have 20 entries, had 31.  CC 32 also set a new record for memberships.  At this point, I have absolutely no idea how much pent up costuming energy there is for CC 33.  Ther has never been a CC in the South and few southern SF cons have masquerades, so we may get a lot of members and entries.  The same may be true for 34, in Madison Wisconsin, although there have been mid-western CCs.  It may not be true for 35 in Mississauga, only three years after 32 in Toronto.
So, should you once again exclude hall costumes from the masquerade?  If you want to, go ahead; the MD’s word is law.  If you believe a CC (or any other con with a masquerade) is likely to have a very large number of members both desiring to show hall costumes and to enter the masquerade, you may want to do so in order to reduce the number of entries.  It worked in the past; it may do so again.  You have other options, however, such as restricting the availability of some awards.
“Are the days of saving one’s competition costume for the stage fading?”  Those days are relatively recent — only about 20 years old.  They don’t represent the long-term trend.  Whether that’s good or bad is up to you.  As one experienced performance judge, I’m not much concerned about the “wow” factor being reduced by having seen the costume in the halls.  I generally don’t remember that I’ve seen the costume in the halls and, anyway, I’m also looking at it under optimum lighting and as presented to the audience with the intended soundtrack.  Those factors all are missing in the halls.  We may want to ask other judges for their views on this point.
Byron the Boring
On Apr 16, 2015, at 10:03 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

This oughtta stir some debate:   🙂

 

New subject:

 

 

More of our CC memberships are being filled with the ranks of costumers coming from the cosplay community.   At conventions that cater to that demographic, the emphasis is more about wearing their “wow” costumes in the halls for maximum effect.     Often, the costume contests are seemingly more about getting all their fans in one room to cheer them on, rather than a “masquerade”.   This environment was pretty much the case in Toronto.   Don’t get me wrong – it was great having all those new people.   And I applauded efforts to try to impress our “con culture upon all those new folks “.

 

I recognize that we must reach out to these costumers for the sake of getting new blood, but is there a risk of making too much of an accommodation?   I remember one person on Cosplay.com (a forum that, at least USED to be, a place CC concoms should be paying attention to) said “I spent a lot of time on my one costume and I want to wear it as much as I can”.   So, they wore it pretty much everywhere.   They were not the only ones.   Now, in some ways, I can’t blame them for thinking that way.   But, stay with me here.

 

Any “wow” factor has been lost by the time they get on stage.   Chances are, the judges will have seen them at some point, beforehand.   This makes the costume less “fresh”.   It’s also not as much fun for the judges because they’ve seen it already – part of the fun for them is the surprise factor.    

 

I suspect this year’s CC will feel more “old school”, but I wonder what will happen at CC34 and subsequently, at 35?

 

Are the days of saving one’s competition costume for the stage fading?

 

Should there be more of an effort to encourage people not to wear their competition costume in the halls before the masquerade?

In my opinion, you have a better masquerade without a “preview”.

 

 

 

Discuss!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Group: runacc Message: 2694 From: beckieboo817 Date: 11/24/2014
Subject: Costume Con 36 Bid
Group: runacc Message: 2695 From: beckieboo817 Date: 12/8/2014
Subject: Timelines for conventions
Group: runacc Message: 2696 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 3/23/2015
Subject: Is this list still relevant?
Group: runacc Message: 2697 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 3/23/2015
Subject: Re: Is this list still relevant?
Group: runacc Message: 2698 From: Byron Connell Date: 3/23/2015
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Group: runacc Message: 2699 From: beckieboo817 Date: 3/23/2015
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Group: runacc Message: 2700 From: ECM Date: 3/23/2015
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Group: runacc Message: 2701 From: dandyhank Date: 3/24/2015
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Group: runacc Message: 2702 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 3/24/2015
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Group: runacc Message: 2703 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 3/24/2015
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Group: runacc Message: 2654 From: ECM Date: 5/28/2014
Subject: from Rebecca Rowan

 

 


From: rebecca8175@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 20:59:52 -0700
Subject: Re: FW: [runacc] Invites
To: ecmami@hotmail.com

I joined before CC30.  I’ve been on here for 2 years now…

 

Rebecca Rowan
(858) 245-8170

“Acceptance is the answer to all my problems today…..

 

 

On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 6:37 PM, ECM <ecmami@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hey, lady, there was a problem inviting you to join the runacc group.  Please click & join.  It’s really a valuable place to be.  Trust me.


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 18:50:31 -0400
Subject: Re: [runacc] Invites

 

Whelp,

I tried. One of the two email addresses I received successfully translated into an invitation to join the list.
The other (Rebecca Rowan’s) was disabled – the specific error said something about not allowing invites from the group.
Please feel free to send it to whomever you think will want to be part of the list.
And, for those of you still on it, now’s a great time to decide whether you still want to be here or you’d rather unsubscribe. The Unsubscribe link is below.

 

Thanks!

Betsy

 



Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2655 From: markptjan Date: 5/31/2014
Subject: Re: Invites

Thanks for the invite! I’m here now. I’ll make a note to poke Natalie to join up as well. We also have Caitlin Thompson, who will be assuming actual Treasurer role and responsibilities. I’ll be moving over to vice-chair with Natalie. My strengths tend to be logistical and promotional, rather than financial.

I haven’t use Yahoo Groups much, so is there a way we can get an invite for Caitlin? She’s caity.thompson@gmail.com. Thank you!

 

Group: runacc Message: 2656 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/31/2014
Subject: Re: Invites

 

 

Welcome!   I’ll be posting a review of CC32 from the St. Louis Costumers Guild soonish, which I post every year.   It might give you insights for your own con for the future, along with comments from those on the list here, as most are former CC chair people.

 

Bruce

CC16, CC25

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2014 2:23 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] Re: Invites

Thanks for the invite! I’m here now. I’ll make a note to poke Natalie to join up as well. We also have Caitlin Thompson, who will be assuming actual Treasurer role and responsibilities. I’ll be moving over to vice-chair with Natalie. My strengths tend to be logistical and promotional, rather than financial.

I haven’t use Yahoo Groups much, so is there a way we can get an invite for Caitlin? She’s caity.thompson@gmail.com. Thank you!

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2657 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 5/31/2014
Subject: Re: Invites

I’ve invited everyone I’ve seen so far who wasn’t already on the list.

As I said previously, if you’re still on the list and you’d prefer not to be, you’re welcome to follow the unsubscribe link at the bottom of the message, though I do think that it’s valuable to have folks who’ve been through the process stick around as mentors (which was the original point of this list).
Thanks,
Betsy

 

 

On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 4:14 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Welcome!   I’ll be posting a review of CC32 from the St. Louis Costumers Guild soonish, which I post every year.   It might give you insights for your own con for the future, along with comments from those on the list here, as most are former CC chair people.

 

Bruce

CC16, CC25

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2014 2:23 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] Re: Invites

 

Thanks for the invite! I’m here now. I’ll make a note to poke Natalie to join up as well. We also have Caitlin Thompson, who will be assuming actual Treasurer role and responsibilities. I’ll be moving over to vice-chair with Natalie. My strengths tend to be logistical and promotional, rather than financial.

 

I haven’t use Yahoo Groups much, so is there a way we can get an invite for Caitlin? She’s caity.thompson@gmail.com. Thank you!

 

 





Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

Group: runacc Message: 2658 From: Elaine Sims Date: 6/1/2014
Subject: Optimus Time contact
Good morning!!

I need some help from one of the CC32 staff. Thanks to the lateness of
the hour, I dropped the ball on getting the contact information for
Optimus Time, who received the Dreamcatcher award from SiliconWeb. The
joys of talking with people in costume, when they’re in a different
costume (or street clothes) you may not recognize them…

Thank you!

Elaine Sims
SiWeb VP
CC33 & CC30 Quilt Show Coordinator

 

Group: runacc Message: 2659 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/1/2014
Subject: SLCG CC32 review forming

 

 

Just a heads up – our review is being put together.   I’ll post it soon-ish.    For the next three cons and a bid, it has a few useful takeaways for department heads.

Just as a preview, there was not much to complain about, organizationally,  the way this con was run.  Several “minor” criticisms about stuff that could have been handled differently – no con is perfect – but maybe some of the same mistakes won’t be repeated if some of the observations are kept in the back of people’s minds.

Bruce

Assistant Archivist

International Costumers Gallery  http://www.costume.org/gallery2/main.php

ICG Youtube channel:   http://www.youtube.com/user/ICGArchives/feed

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2660 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/4/2014
Subject: SLCG CC32 Review – Before the con

 

 

This time’s review is culled from 7(?) people’s opinions, as not as many of us made the drive this time.  

The Future Fashion Folio came out in a reasonable amount of time.   It was smallish – some of us were not inspired by what was chosen to be published.   Hardly any designs that could be done up were for a more mature age.  Also, there weren’t many designs for males – in fact, there were less than in a usual Folio.   Otherwise, it was “okay”.

The patterns chosen for the Single Pattern show were not very interesting to us – but that was just us.   It was good that they decided to try something different, but the costume patterns were sort of an odd choice.  Clearly, they appealed to some people – but there’s a huge caveat which we’ll talk about a little later.

Communication from Staff was pretty good.  

Promotion for CC32 –   Beyond Cosplay.com, all we saw was Facebook as the main info dissemination point.  But not everyone does FB and even fewer go to Cosplay.com.   For many of the “old guard”, the D list is still the primary news source – the next three cons and the bid should make a note of this.   

There’s an argument to be made about how much promotion a con should do beyond the local area.  To  be honest, roughly 2/3 of your CC attendance is going to be from within roughly a 300 mile radius.   But the other 1/3 are the regulars, and you don’t want to alienate them by keeping them in the dark.   Most people are not going to visit the con website for information.  (Some said CC32 was not kept updated – I can’t speak to that – I was one of those who didn’t visit the website much)

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2661 From: kittythecanuck Date: 6/5/2014
Subject: Re: SLCG CC32 Review – Before the con
As someone involved in running CC35 and thus specifically told to make a note to use this – what is a D list?

 

Group: runacc Message: 2662 From: kittythecanuck Date: 6/5/2014
Subject: Re: SLCG CC32 Review – Before the con
As one of the people running CC35 and thus specifically told to make a note of this – what is a D list?

 

Group: runacc Message: 2663 From: Kevin Roche Date: 6/5/2014
Subject: Re: SLCG CC32 Review – Before the con

They are referring to the ICG discussion Yahoo group mailing list, aka “ICG-D” or, in their abbreviation, the D list.

Kevin

On Thursday, June 5, 2014, caity.thompson@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

As one of the people running CC35 and thus specifically told to make a note of this – what is a D list?

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2664 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 6/5/2014
Subject: Re: SLCG CC32 Review – Before the con

ICG-D@yahoogroups.com

You don’t have to be a member of the International Costumers’ Guild in order to belong to the list. Costume-Con and the ICG are separate, but they were and remain (at least in some part) connected:
Betsy

 

 

On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 9:17 AM, caity.thompson@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

As someone involved in running CC35 and thus specifically told to make a note to use this – what is a D list?

 

 





Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

Group: runacc Message: 2665 From: casamai Date: 6/5/2014
Subject: Re: SLCG CC32 Review – Before the con

Sorry.   Shorthand.   Have to remember that.

 

Bruce

 

Group: runacc Message: 2666 From: casamai Date: 6/5/2014
Subject: SLCG CC32 Review – The Hotel

 

Kind of expensive, at least for us, but it’s Canada.   At least the exchange rate was a little more favorable.   At least the parking was significantly discounted for the con.  The rooms were nice, VERY nice beds.   Nora and I were on the Club floor, which in Sheratons, have a separate amenities room with light breakfasts and snacks at other times – that can help save on food costs.   We first encountered this at Teslacon a couple of years ago.   We didn’t get to make use of that because it was taken over for the Con Suite, which was on the top floor.   Since the Con Suite did generally serve some breakfast foods every day, it wasn’t that big a deal to us, but it must have been irritating for other hotel guests who weren’t members of the con.  

 

The hotel staff were okay – they acted quickly to resolve a broken hot tub and an elevator during the weekend.  We suspect because they’re near the airport, the hotel can’t afford to put off repairs like we’ve run into at other cons.  The layout of the hotel seemed to be pretty good – no real traffic choke points, and it handled well  the 1000+ costume enthusiasts that wandered through.  Funny thing is, it never seemed all that crowded.   There were plenty of places to sit and socialize, so that was good.  By our experiences, the pool was pretty large & and the hot tub was okay.  The hotel restaurant was typical for the prices – we only went to it twice.

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2667 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/8/2014
Subject: SLCG CC32 Review – Registration

 

 

It was good that it was open on Thursday evening, but like others, we missed having “swag bags” – membership materials were limited to the Program book and the pocket schedule.   Given the resources available in Toronto, the next committee sought to look into the possibilities of freebies – it would be good advertising for local merchants. 

 

Despite the number of attendees, we never saw much of a line of people waiting for registration, so that was good – maybe that was because 3/4s of the memberships were pre-regs?

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2668 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/9/2014
Subject: Something for our Canadians…

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Group: runacc Message: 2669 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/9/2014
Subject: Re: Something for our Canadians…

 

Thank you for posting Andy!

Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada Emoji


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2014 13:29:04 -0700
Subject: [runacc] Something for our Canadians…

 

 

You’re changing the world. We want to help. http://googlefornonprofits.blogspot.com/2014/06/youre-changing-world-we-want-to-help.html

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Group: runacc Message: 2670 From: casamai Date: 6/9/2014
Subject: SLCG CC32 Review –

 

There seemed to be a good spread of subjects, even if we didn’t get to many.   As near as we could tell, almost all of them were well attended.  I can tell you about the ones Nora and I were part of.

The “My First Costume-Con” Friday , which we were part of, was the better attended of the two.   The second one, on Saturday, still had a good handful of people.  We didn’t need any translations, but we were glad he was there.

“Judging Ethics” – Nora sat on this Saturday 9:00 AM panel, and it was surprisingly well attended.  Many people had opinions as well as questions.

We had two Road Show slots instead of the normal one on Monday.  The one-hour Saturday slot was subtitled “Randomness” because we just sort of picked stuff at will.    Didn’t have many people show up for it – could be because of the title – more on that in a bit.   The Monday Road Show was moderately successful – we suspect that we didn’t have as many people show up because the con was mostly made up of new people and most of the CC vets at the con may have left for home.

 

The Bookercon Masquerade Judging Simulation was close to a bust.   We had one person show up, but we went ahead and played it anyway.  

 

The Future Fashion Folio PowerPoint presentation was only moderately successful.

 

I managed to get to the Tying a Turban panel.  The speaker was personable and had good presence.  I think I may’ve actually learned how to do it, and I’ll have to give it a try.

 

Nora said the Ball Jointed Doll meetup pretty much consisted of those who were running the Doll exhibit and didn’t leave the room all weekend.  It was sort of awkward.   Perhaps it would have been less so if it had been guided.

As for the Cat Helpers meetup, nobody showed up except us and Genie.

 

The Heroes of Cosplay panel was possibly our best-attended.   It was very active  and everyone had opinions.  Interestingly, we had two other panelists who were participants in the new season to be aired this week – one was a contestant at one of the venues and the other was a judge.   Talking with them and other members of the audience gave us another new, fresh perspective.   As usual, we learned even more behind the scenes info that continued to show how slimy the production company is.  Our co-panelists seemed to think that they weren’t manipulated, but it’ll be interesting to see how the episode was edited for drama.

 

Something of a note to ourselves (but also for Programming people) for future reference is to have more of a descriptive title for the pocket program and not so creative.   We’ve heard more than once that no one reads the Program Book, so it’s critical to get across the panel concept in the small amount of space on the Pocket Program.

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2671 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/12/2014
Subject: SLCG CC32 Review = the Con Suite

 

 

The staffers seemed a bit schizophrenic at times.   We wondered if they weren’t prepared for the number of people who came through?   Some seemed “prickly” – maybe there was something going on behind the scenes.  In one instance, people were waiting outside of the room at 8:00, and someone inside was pointing at their watch, saying it was 7:50. 

There were some strange food choices in the con of the non-sponsored variety – not sure whether this was by choice or supplied.  At least half the time, the sodas were off-brand – they tasted okay, but a lot of people didn’t like it.  People like their name brand sodas, so figure that into your Con Suite budget.    Same for some of the snacks.   One persons said some of the choices were “downright disgusting!”   But having hot dogs served throughout the weekend was a welcome protein entry in an otherwise sugared and other strange stuff fare.   The SLCG=sponsored Sunday morning Protein breakfast sponsorship went over well, but I think it ran out too soon.   More chapters and other organizations should be encouraged to provide snacks/food other than the future CC committees.   Heck, for that matter, sponsor Green room snackage.

It seemed at times the staffers were having difficulty keeping up with supplies.   We also wondered if some of the CC attendees understood the purpose of the Con Suite and missed out.  Maybe some from the anime community may have been uncomfortable about taking advantage of it? 

The suite itself was not the best laid out, but at least it had tables and chairs for sitting to eat- that’s a plus.  The TV at one end running various anime and Doctor Who episodes wasn’t too distracting, since the volume was down. 

At one point in one evening, the Con Suite did get some noise complaints from people on the same floor not part of the convention.   Gotta watch that, when you don’t have the whole floor.

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2672 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/12/2014
Subject: SLCG CC32 Review – Doll Room

 

 

The doll Costume contest was small – only 7 or 8 entries?.  But, it was smart to fill the room with exhibits. .  To Nora, it didn’t seem like the staff promoted the show enough.

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2673 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/12/2014
Subject: SLCG CC32 Review – Friday Night

 

 

The Friday Night Social theme was semi-successful, with the few themed snacks, games and vampire maid waitresses (a twist on the popular maid cafe activity that is common at anime cons, if you don’t know).  Something that is apparently also common up there, due to the large crowds, was people lining up an hour or more beforehand to get into the big events over the weekend.   Those of us of a mature age are used to being able to just stroll in and find a comfortable seat or a corner to stand in.  

The FNS room was crowded, probably because tables were not well laid out.  Also, since many people were standing, it was hard to see the stage for the Single Pattern Show, so it was a good thing that there were two projection screens.   Food ran out early, so by the time the Single Pattern Show participants got out of the Green Room, it was mostly gone.   Probably another oversight because there were more people attending CC than the staff expected.

Speaking for the majority of SLCG people who had and opinion on the subject: Future SPS Directors can either make or note or not.   The original intention of the Single Pattern show is similar to the Future Fashion Show – it’s a >fashion show<, less like a masquerade.    The Director made some rookie mistakes, but I can’t point fingers because I was guilty of some pretty glaring errors when I did the CC0 FFS.   Nonetheless, make sure have copies of the  images of the patterns for the judges to refer to.    

Most importantly, for future Show Directors, make sure it is understood ahead of time that the final result  of the Single Pattern interpretation LOOK RECOGNIZABLE AS THE GARMENT THE PATTERN IS FOR.  What happened at CC32 was that about 3/4 of the entrants thought that they could just use the pattern pieces to create completely different outfits.  As one of the three judges, and the most experienced, I should have insisted that we should judge the entries based on how well they interpreted the pattern while remaining accurate to the design, but one of the other 2 judges said “I recognize the pieces used in this outfit”.    That’s not the same thing.  So you had wings fashioned from the mermaid tail piece and a dress made up of the paper pattern pieces themselves.  So while there were some nice outfits, they mostly did not look like Mermaid Tails. 

In light of that only ¼ of the entries looked anything like either the Werewolf or Mermaid patterns, we judged the entries more like a costume contest – which again, is not the point of the Single Pattern show.  We also wound up giving more awards than just 1 or 2, because that’s what the show director allowed for.    Repeating, this is supposed to be an informal show, not a masquerade.

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2674 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/12/2014
Subject: SLCG CC32 Review – Vendors Room

 

 

It was pretty good sized, had variety, but not much that at least half of us personally needed.   The stuffed animals sold very well.  No book dealers and not all that many patterns. 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2675 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/12/2014
Subject: SLCG CC32 Review – Costume Exhibits

 

 

Saw maybe 20 costumes or so, all Canadian, not surprisingly.   Some we’ve seen before (Jackie Ward and Barb Schofield’s) and others not.   The room may’ve limited the ability to show more outfits.   There may have been a little swapping out, as we saw at least instance of exhibit costumes worn in the hall (the dinosaur raptors).  Not as broad a selection as CC31 had.

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2676 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/19/2014
Subject: SLCG CC32 Review – F & SF Masquerade

 

 

Things of note: There were a lot more females on stage than normal.  Part of the reason, no doubt, is because of the large number of younger people who attended.   Once again, there  was an early line for getting seats for the show, and the line wranglers were a bit loud and obnoxious – probably because of who they’re used to dealing with.   The show itself had the highest number of recreation entries ever – possibly only 5 out of the 87 were original.  This was not surprising, considering the fan base CC was pulling from.   There were some interpretations of media characters – makes us wonder if there will be temptation to try something more original if they attend another CC. 

The following is strictly opinion, so take it with a grain of salt.      —   Quality of the masquerade was …okay.  Most of the presentations were not all that exciting, and many of them still went a little too long.  There was a lot of pretty stuff that didn’t stand out above the rest, but there was no crap, either.   Most of the costumes did not have much of a “wow” factor to them, with a few exceptions.  Cheering for contestants was mostly because the audience either recognized their favorite character (common at anime cons) or it was their friends.

Judging was fast and efficient – it only took the panel 45 minutes to judge all the entries.   The award percentage was about right for both Presentation and Workmanship – somewhere around the 1/3 mark.   It was a long evening, nonetheless – with the show, photo line, video presentations, chapter awards, other announcements and then the awards, not winding up until 1:30 AM.  

From the judges viewpoint, it was disappointing for them to watch because there were very few surprises.  First of all, most of the costumes had been seen in the hall in the two days prior to the show – the con did not discourage this because it’s sort of normal for anime cons.  Second, the “polaroids” of the contestants were attached to their entry forms, so the judges knew what was coming before the contestant even hit the stage.   Note for future MDs – judges are humans too – these two factors made it less fun for them.

Another note for future MDs:  Something that made the show drag a bit – the director arranged the entries in Skill Division order so that most of the Novices came first, then Journeymen, then Masters, with just a little overlapping between the groups.   We’re guessing the idea was that this would have the show build to a peak.  What resulted was not many interesting Novices, a mixture of quality of Journeyman presentations, and then finally, the Masters.   It’s better to mix the classes up so that there is more variety.

Something that I and a few others found really distracting was the “ninjas”.   We know that Anime North’s stage crew are quite frequently part of the entries at that masquerade.   Usually, it’s to be “killed” or otherwise serve as a human prop.   But they also would fill time with dancing when there was a delay in the show.   Here,  they appeared onstage at CC so frequently to the point that they were taking away from the performance of the costumer.  And there were several presentations in a row where one or more of the “ninjas” were on stage.  Nora observed that this seemed to be more of a Novice entry thing, as they had not learned how to perform by themselves yet, so they used the “ninjas” as the focus of the comedic entries.  Because of the way the show was arranged by succeeding division class, the “ninjas” were seen less and less on stage as the night went on.

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2677 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/22/2014
Subject: SLCG CC32 Review – F & SF backstage

 

 

I was the only one competing from our group this year, so this is mostly my opinion alone, except where noted.

 

Tech – Apparently, the crew was minimal – many of the ones who work at Anime North and would have worked this con got hired away recently.  Nonetheless, the crew they had were friendly and co-operative and knew what they were doing.

Rehearsal slots were limited, for practical purposes.   Those who competed at AN with the same costume last year got no rehearsal time, with a few exceptions.  Sometimes, this decision was a little arbitrary.   I can understand the logic, though – trying to do tech rehearsals for 88 entries would have been problematic.

Like CC31, lighting was provided by banks of LEDs.   It’s ultimately cheaper to run, but this has an unfortunate tendency to throw a cool blue light on everything.   You’d think people would figure out how to put filters on them to fix that.    There was supposedly a black light for use by contestants, but it was probably unnecessary.    It was nice to have the two projection screens so that the audience could see more detail to the costumes.   And for the first time in a few years, there was a green room video feed (sans audio).

The one thing that comes in for criticism was the Green Room.   Again, because of the unexpected numbers of attendees, there were more entries.   The Green Room size was woefully inadequate.   They had us sitting in rows of chairs across from each other, and that was our “den” – no tables.   In fact, part of the outside hall had to be curtained off to provide more space for dens.   It didn’t help that there were a number of costumes/set pieces that had a large “footprint”.

There was a miscommunication about when people could get into the Green Room – at tech rehearsal, we were told we could get in as early as 5:00, but that didn’t happen.   As a result, there was a long line parallel to the queue for masquerade show seating and we didn’t start getting checked in until around 6:00.  

Another communication problem centered around making sure the entrants got both their polaroids and official photography.   A small part of this may have been the language barrier, since there were French Canadians as well as the English speaking den people.   Nonetheless, overall, the backstage crew was pretty good and otherwise well-organized, coping with the huge number of people.

By the end of the evening, the SF MD was losing their voice.   Perhaps because they were French Canadian, they read the awards in French first, and then barely got the words out in English, leaving people wondering what the award was for.   If you’re going be bilingual, you should be sure to give equal clarity and weight to the announcements.  For that matter, if you’re losing your voice, it would be better to just relinquish the duty to someone else, like the judges.

Critique from the judges – the entry forms had the Skill Divisions on them, but not whether the entry was a recreation or original, which is very important when there is no documentation. 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2678 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/22/2014
Subject: SLCG CC32 Review – random SF masque notes/observations

 

 

I had produced a new, more comprehensive video memorial for Marty Gear, to be shown at the halftime.   It was well received, but many people who knew Marty (mostly East Coasters) were not there. 

Props to Ricky Dick in the Green Room and later in the show, explaining about CC traditions like the awards are presented at the end of the evening, not posted the next day as they frequently are at anime cons.    There’s also the chapter awards, the videos the photo run, and so on.  “This is what our community does”.  Not sure how much of it sunk in, but we’ll see.  

Not everyone participated In the photo run.   In fact, many entrants bailed on the award announcements and headed for the Costumers Suite, thereby wiping out much of the refreshments before anyone else got there.   Boo.   Can’t totally fault the Suite crew, though – no one knew the show would run so late.

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2679 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/22/2014
Subject: SLCG CC 32 Review – Future Fashion Show

 

 

It was of average size, and if you compare it in percentage to the number of attendees, it was small.  The show was very “staged”- each person had their own music track provided by the crew.   This came in for some criticism:   I  appreciated the music being appropriate to the design,  <but> this did not allow for last-minute additions, thus forcing one person to enter F/SF masquerade instead.  There was no excuse for that.  Lack of flexibility cannot be tolerated.  I showed up at my first CC with 2 folio designs that I had made up; they didn’t know I was doing this.  If I had been told they wouldn’t take me, and that I should enter a masquerade instead, I would have been super pissed off – and that rejection would have made me wary of attending again.  Do not do this – EVER.”

 Once again, divisions were announced as part of the entries.   Again, we felt this was unnecessary.   

The Simplicity Pattern show, presented by designer Andrea Schewe, was well received.  

Additional notes by others:   Keep the tradition of allowing multiple people to do the same design.   This will encourage more people  to participate if they can do their first choice.  

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2680 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/22/2014
Subject: Re: SLCG CC32 Review – F & SF backstage

 

 

One other note – green room snacks came late, and there weren’t enough.

 

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To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] SLCG CC32 Review – F & SF backstage

I was the only one competing from our group this year, so this is mostly my opinion alone, except where noted.

 

Tech – Apparently, the crew was minimal – many of the ones who work at Anime North and would have worked this con got hired away recently.  Nonetheless, the crew they had were friendly and co-operative and knew what they were doing.

Rehearsal slots were limited, for practical purposes.   Those who competed at AN with the same costume last year got no rehearsal time, with a few exceptions.  Sometimes, this decision was a little arbitrary.   I can understand the logic, though – trying to do tech rehearsals for 88 entries would have been problematic.

Like CC31, lighting was provided by banks of LEDs.   It’s ultimately cheaper to run, but this has an unfortunate tendency to throw a cool blue light on everything.   You’d think people would figure out how to put filters on them to fix that.    There was supposedly a black light for use by contestants, but it was probably unnecessary.    It was nice to have the two projection screens so that the audience could see more detail to the costumes.   And for the first time in a few years, there was a green room video feed (sans audio).

The one thing that comes in for criticism was the Green Room.   Again, because of the unexpected numbers of attendees, there were more entries.   The Green Room size was woefully inadequate.   They had us sitting in rows of chairs across from each other, and that was our “den” – no tables.   In fact, part of the outside hall had to be curtained off to provide more space for dens.   It didn’t help that there were a number of costumes/set pieces that had a large “footprint”.

There was a miscommunication about when people could get into the Green Room – at tech rehearsal, we were told we could get in as early as 5:00, but that didn’t happen.   As a result, there was a long line parallel to the queue for masquerade show seating and we didn’t start getting checked in until around 6:00.  

Another communication problem centered around making sure the entrants got both their polaroids and official photography.   A small part of this may have been the language barrier, since there were French Canadians as well as the English speaking den people.   Nonetheless, overall, the backstage crew was pretty good and otherwise well-organized, coping with the huge number of people.

By the end of the evening, the SF MD was losing their voice.   Perhaps because they were French Canadian, they read the awards in French first, and then barely got the words out in English, leaving people wondering what the award was for.   If you’re going be bilingual, you should be sure to give equal clarity and weight to the announcements.  For that matter, if you’re losing your voice, it would be better to just relinquish the duty to someone else, like the judges.

Critique from the judges – the entry forms had the Skill Divisions on them, but not whether the entry was a recreation or original, which is very important when there is no documentation. 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2681 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/22/2014
Subject: SLCG CC32 Review – Programming

 

 

I think I overlooked this one previously.

There seemed to be a good spread of subjects, even if we didn’t get to many.   As near as we could tell, almost all of them were well attended.  We can tell you about the ones we were part of.  

 

The “My First Costume-Con” panel was scheduled twice.  The Friday one, which we were part of, was the better attended of the two.   The second one took place Saturday.  “Manu”, a French Canadian we had met at CC29, was our third panelist.   We didn’t need any translations, but we were glad he was there.

Our first attempt at the Archives panel called “The Storytellers” was an attempt to gather costumers’ stories by showing video clips and then recording their voices.   Unfortunately, we had some technical problems, and not many attendees.   And frankly, we could have been more organized.   We’ll need to retool this before attempting it again.   That said, we did gather a bunch of good stories at the “Costuming Horror Stories” panel.   We got to relate one or two that horrified the younger audience, so that was entertaining.

“Judging Ethics” – Nora sat on this Saturday 9:00 AM panel, and it was surprisingly well attended.  Many people had opinions as well as questions.

 

We had two Road Show slots instead of the normal one on Monday.  The one-hour Saturday slot was subtitled “Randomness” because we just sort of picked stuff at will.    Didn’t have many people show up for it – could be because of the title – more on that in a bit.   The Monday Road Show was moderately successful – we suspect that we didn’t have as many people show up because the con was mostly made up of new people and most of the CC vets at the con may have left for home.

 

The Bookercon Masquerade Judging Simulation was close to a bust.   We had one person show up, but we went ahead and played it anyway.   Our one “judge” was very interested, and she was very thoughtful – she made some interesting choices unlike past judges.   That possibly could be because she had no one else to debate with.

The Future Fashion Folio PowerPoint presentation was only moderately successful.   It’s a possibility that most attendees didn’t know much about the FFF.

 

I managed to get to the Tying a Turban panel.  The speaker was personable and had good presence.  I think I may’ve actually learned how to do it, and I’ll have to give it a try.

 

Nora said the Ball Jointed Doll meetup pretty much consisted of those who were running the Doll exhibit and didn’t leave the room all weekend.  It was sort of awkward.   Perhaps it would have been less so if it had been guided.

 

As for the Cat Helpers meetup, nobody showed up except us and Genie.

 

The Heroes of Cosplay panel was possibly our best-attended.   It was very active  and everyone had opinions.   Two of the other panelists  were participants in the new season – one was a contestant at one of the venues and the other was a judge.   Talking with them and other members of the audience gave us another new, fresh perspective.  

 

Something of a note to ourselves for future reference is to have more of a descriptive title for the pocket program and not so creative.   We’ve heard more than once that no one reads the Program Book, so it’s critical to get across the concept in the small amount of space on the Pocket Program.   This may be why the Judging Simulation panel failed.

 

Notes by others – we all pretty much agreed that the choices of subjects were pretty well-varied.   One commenter said: seemed to be a good mix of the usual panels run by the usual people and the usual panels run by new people and new panels.  There were also some workshops for which a fee was charged.  It would have been nice if those were pointed out on the pocket program.  Bold type face, asterisk, something.  It’s a little awkward to go to a panel only to discover it’s a workshop and you should have paid a fee.

Another:  Almost no one came to the panel I was on. *sadface*  My other panelist was surprised I had handouts; apparently she had planned to wing it.  Um – really?

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2682 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/22/2014
Subject: Re: SLCG CC 32 Review – Future Fashion Show

 

Fashion show comments as the director
frist, you’re just wrong. at least in the assumption that this persons critique is valid
the website said pre
reg by ( whatever day) while it was weeks later than I thougt it would be, I was still taking people up to the date posted very clearly on the website, ( I think was  the day before the con) and was very flexible in doing so even tho it was theatrically staged just like half the fashion shows in CC history.
Someone new, 1 person, fell through the cracks on this. a bad thing to be sure, but I wont take the full blame on that,she will have to share it. and at least we got her into as show somewhere , and she was
awesome.
everyone who had ever been to a cc before, registered early in plenty of time, and none of the old guard said anything about the need to register
I personally like a scripted show and special music,( so you’re not wrong there just difference of opinion) I have done this more than a few times for cc now. in the past few years I have felt the costumes in the fashion show were great, but the show itself was boring as hell. well run, no foul ups, the directors did well and made a choice, I made another
also, you are  wrong in that the divisions where NOT read with the entries by the MC at least as far as I knew.
They were not in his script, and I cant imagine he would know them all to drop them in. I don’t have a copy of the video to check this tho.
If the judges, at their discresion, mentioned divisions in their awards, well, I am fine with that
the size of the show,it was small as a percentage of the con for sure, because it is a totally new concept to them up there.
but I will hold it up against the 5 yes 5 entries in milwaukee and feel okay about what we did
things I did not like that happened?
both the tech crew and the photographer, decided they needed the day off , and of course I didnt know that untill 1am sat night
so the fact that we had any at all, is a testament to toronto fandom, pulling it out of thier butts and doing a great job, but it was not a good thing to have happen
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On Sunday, June 22, 2014 2:21 PM, “‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

It was of average size, and if you compare it in percentage to the number of attendees, it was small.  The show was very “staged”- each person had their own music track provided by the crew.   This came in for some criticism:   I  appreciated the music being appropriate to the design,  <but> this did not allow for last-minute additions, thus forcing one person to enter F/SF masquerade instead.  There was no excuse for that.  Lack of flexibility cannot be tolerated.  I showed up at my first CC with 2 folio designs that I had made up; they didn’t know I was doing this.  If I had been told they wouldn’t take me, and that I should enter a masquerade instead, I
would have been super pissed off – and that rejection would have made me wary of attending again.  Do not do this – EVER.”
 Once again, divisions were announced as part of the entries.   Again, we felt this was unnecessary.   
The Simplicity Pattern show, presented by designer Andrea Schewe, was well received.  
Additional notes by others:   Keep the tradition of allowing multiple people to do the same design.   This will encourage more people  to participate if they can do their first choice.  

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2683 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/22/2014
Subject: Re: SLCG CC32 Review – F & SF backstage

 

Rehersals for SF/F
what we had to end up doing to try to make sure we had time for everyone who really needed rehersals, was
if Anne Marie and I knew the person fron Anime North, we asked if the basic AN version of tech was fine, and if they said yes, we mentioned they probably wouldnt need a rehersal then cause they knew how it would be. BUT we also said, however, at CC you have the right to rehearse if you want
and made it their choice.
this is from a different post, but I agree the use of the ninjas got WAAAAAYYYY out of control, so much so, that even AN is re thinking what they do now.
picking up a prop? cool
Carryiong off a dead guy?? cool
being 8 people in your skit cause you didnt have 8 costumers to do it with, NOT COOL !! LOL
I am trying to just shrug it off as their enthusiasm for trying to be wonderful at CC. cause even the ones that have been doing this for many years up there, where nervous as hell calling it a CC stage
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On Sunday, June 22, 2014 2:36 PM, “‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

One other note – green room snacks came late, and there weren’t enough.
 
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 1:10 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] SLCG CC32 Review – F & SF backstage



I was the only one competing from our group this year, so this is mostly my opinion alone, except where noted.
 
Tech – Apparently, the crew was minimal – many of the ones who work at Anime North and would have worked this con got hired away recently.  Nonetheless, the crew they had were friendly and co-operative and knew what they were doing.
Rehearsal slots were limited, for practical purposes.   Those who competed at AN with the same costume last year got no rehearsal time, with a few exceptions.  Sometimes, this decision was a little arbitrary.   I can understand the logic, though – trying to do tech rehearsals for 88 entries would have been
problematic.
Like CC31, lighting was provided by banks of LEDs.   It’s ultimately cheaper to run, but this has an unfortunate tendency to throw a cool blue light on everything.   You’d think people would figure out how to put filters on them to fix that.    There was supposedly a black light for use by contestants, but it was probably unnecessary.    It was nice to have the two projection screens so that the audience could see more detail to the costumes.   And for the first time in a few years, there was a green room video feed (sans audio).
The one thing that comes in for criticism was the Green Room.   Again, because of the unexpected numbers of attendees, there were more entries.   The Green Room size was
woefully inadequate.   They had us sitting in rows of chairs across from each other, and that was our “den” – no tables.   In fact, part of the outside hall had to be curtained off to provide more space for dens.   It didn’t help that there were a number of costumes/set pieces that had a large “footprint”.
There was a miscommunication about when people could get into the Green Room – at tech rehearsal, we were told we could get in as early as 5:00, but that didn’t happen.   As a result, there was a long line parallel to the queue for masquerade show seating and we didn’t start getting checked in until around 6:00.  
Another communication problem centered around making sure the entrants got both their polaroids and official
photography.   A small part of this may have been the language barrier, since there were French Canadians as well as the English speaking den people.   Nonetheless, overall, the backstage crew was pretty good and otherwise well-organized, coping with the huge number of people.
By the end of the evening, the SF MD was losing their voice.   Perhaps because they were French Canadian, they read the awards in French first, and then barely got the words out in English, leaving people wondering what the award was for.   If you’re going be bilingual, you should be sure to give equal clarity and weight to the announcements.  For that matter, if you’re losing your voice, it would be better to just relinquish the duty to someone else, like the judges.
Critique from the judges – the entry forms had the Skill Divisions on them, but not whether the entry was a recreation or original, which is very important when there is no documentation. 



 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2684 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/22/2014
Subject: Re: SLCG CC32 Review – F & SF backstage

 

not sure why I am doing the double post thing, sorry everyone
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On Sunday, June 22, 2014 7:12 PM, “Gravely MacCabre
gravelymac@yahoo.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Rehersals for SF/F
what we had to end up doing to try to make sure we had time for everyone who really needed rehersals, was
if Anne Marie and I knew the person fron Anime North, we asked if the basic AN version of tech was fine, and if they said yes, we mentioned they probably wouldnt need a rehersal then cause they knew how it would be. BUT we also said, however, at CC you have the right to rehearse if you want
and made it their choice.
this is from a different post, but I agree the use of the ninjas got WAAAAAYYYY out of control, so much so, that even AN is re thinking what they do now.
picking up a prop? cool
Carryiong off a dead guy?? cool
being 8 people in your skit cause you didnt have 8 costumers to do it with, NOT COOL !! LOL
I am trying to just shrug it off as their enthusiasm for trying to be wonderful at CC. cause even the ones that have been doing this for many years up there, where nervous as hell calling it a CC stage
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On Sunday, June 22, 2014 2:36 PM, “‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



One other note – green room snacks came late, and there weren’t enough.
 
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 1:10 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] SLCG CC32 Review – F & SF backstage



I was the only one competing from our group this year, so this is mostly my opinion alone, except where noted.
 
Tech – Apparently, the crew was minimal – many of the ones who work at Anime North and would have worked this con got hired away recently.  Nonetheless, the crew they had were friendly and co-operative and knew what they were doing.
Rehearsal slots were limited, for practical purposes.   Those who competed at AN with the same costume last year got no rehearsal time, with a few exceptions.  Sometimes, this decision was a little arbitrary.   I can understand the logic, though – trying to do tech rehearsals for 88 entries would have been
problematic.
Like CC31, lighting was provided by banks of LEDs.   It’s ultimately cheaper to run, but this has an unfortunate tendency to throw a cool blue light on everything.   You’d think people would figure out how to put filters on them to fix that.    There was supposedly a black light for use by contestants, but it was probably unnecessary.    It was nice to have the two projection screens so that the audience could see more detail to the costumes.   And for the first time in a few years, there was a green room video feed (sans audio).
The one thing that comes in for criticism was the Green Room.   Again, because of the unexpected numbers of attendees, there were more entries.   The Green Room size was
woefully inadequate.   They had us sitting in rows of chairs across from each other, and that was our “den” – no tables.   In fact, part of the outside hall had to be curtained off to provide more space for dens.   It didn’t help that there were a number of costumes/set pieces that had a large “footprint”.
There was a miscommunication about when people could get into the Green Room – at tech rehearsal, we were told we could get in as early as 5:00, but that didn’t happen.   As a result, there was a long line parallel to the queue for masquerade show seating and we didn’t start getting checked in until around 6:00.  
Another communication problem centered around making sure the entrants got both their polaroids and official
photography.   A small part of this may have been the language barrier, since there were French Canadians as well as the English speaking den people.   Nonetheless, overall, the backstage crew was pretty good and otherwise well-organized, coping with the huge number of people.
By the end of the evening, the SF MD was losing their voice.   Perhaps because they were French Canadian, they read the awards in French first, and then barely got the words out in English, leaving people wondering what the award was for.   If you’re going be bilingual, you should be sure to give equal clarity and weight to the announcements.  For that matter, if you’re losing your voice, it would be better to just relinquish the duty to someone else, like the judges.
Critique from the judges – the entry forms had the Skill Divisions on them, but not whether the entry was a recreation or original, which is very important when there is no documentation. 





 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2685 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/22/2014
Subject: Re: SLCG CC32 Review – Programming

 

My comment appears at the end.

 

Byron

 

On Jun 22, 2014, at 3:11 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

I think I overlooked this one previously.

There seemed to be a good spread of subjects, even if we didn’t get to many.   As near as we could tell, almost all of them were well attended.  We can tell you about the ones we were part of.  

 

The “My First Costume-Con” panel was scheduled twice.  The Friday one, which we were part of, was the better attended of the two.   The second one took place Saturday.  “Manu”, a French Canadian we had met at CC29, was our third panelist.   We didn’t need any translations, but we were glad he was there.

Our first attempt at the Archives panel called “The Storytellers” was an attempt to gather costumers’ stories by showing video clips and then recording their voices.   Unfortunately, we had some technical problems, and not many attendees.   And frankly, we could have been more organized.   We’ll need to retool this before attempting it again.   That said, we did gather a bunch of good stories at the “Costuming Horror Stories” panel.   We got to relate one or two that horrified the younger audience, so that was entertaining.

“Judging Ethics” – Nora sat on this Saturday 9:00 AM panel, and it was surprisingly well attended.  Many people had opinions as well as questions.

 

We had two Road Show slots instead of the normal one on Monday.  The one-hour Saturday slot was subtitled “Randomness” because we just sort of picked stuff at will.    Didn’t have many people show up for it – could be because of the title – more on that in a bit.   The Monday Road Show was moderately successful – we suspect that we didn’t have as many people show up because the con was mostly made up of new people and most of the CC vets at the con may have left for home.

 

The Bookercon Masquerade Judging Simulation was close to a bust.   We had one person show up, but we went ahead and played it anyway.   Our one “judge” was very interested, and she was very thoughtful – she made some interesting choices unlike past judges.   That possibly could be because she had no one else to debate with.

The Future Fashion Folio PowerPoint presentation was only moderately successful.   It’s a possibility that most attendees didn’t know much about the FFF.

 

I managed to get to the Tying a Turban panel.  The speaker was personable and had good presence.  I think I may’ve actually learned how to do it, and I’ll have to give it a try.

 

Nora said the Ball Jointed Doll meetup pretty much consisted of those who were running the Doll exhibit and didn’t leave the room all weekend.  It was sort of awkward.   Perhaps it would have been less so if it had been guided.

 

As for the Cat Helpers meetup, nobody showed up except us and Genie.

 

The Heroes of Cosplay panel was possibly our best-attended.   It was very active  and everyone had opinions.   Two of the other panelists  were participants in the new season – one was a contestant at one of the venues and the other was a judge.   Talking with them and other members of the audience gave us another new, fresh perspective.  

 

Something of a note to ourselves for future reference is to have more of a descriptive title for the pocket program and not so creative.   We’ve heard more than once that no one reads the Program Book, so it’s critical to get across the concept in the small amount of space on the Pocket Program.   This may be why the Judging Simulation panel failed.

 

Notes by others – we all pretty much agreed that the choices of subjects were pretty well-varied.   One commenter said:seemed to be a good mix of the usual panels run by the usual people and the usual panels run by new people and new panels.  There were also some workshops for which a fee was charged.  It would have been nice if those were pointed out on the pocket program.  Bold type face, asterisk, something.  It’s a little awkward to go to a panel only to discover it’s a workshop and you should have paid a fee.

Another:  Almost no one came to the panel I was on. *sadface*  My other panelist was surprised I had handouts; apparently she had planned to wing it.  Um – really?

My 5/4 comment about programming was: “I was not able to get to any panels I was not on.  However, my three all were well attended.  On Monday afternoon, the two-hour Historical Masquerade show-and-tell was virtually standing room only for the entire two-hour period!”

Byron

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2686 From: Sarah A Bloy Date: 6/22/2014
Subject: Re: runacc] SLCG CC32 Review – F & SF backstage

 

One thing that I would like to point out…

There was kind of a lot of pressure on people not to do a tech rehearsal.  When I signed up, it was *technically* my choice, yes, but there was a lot of looking at me sideways and double-checking.  I think at one point I was actually asked “are you actually completely SURE that you need it?”  It made me rather uncomfortable because it sort of made me feel guilty for needing to take a slot.  And I know of one or two people who decided not to do a tech rehearsal because of that.

If this does become an issue again in the future (a good problem to have, mind you) it would be greatly appreciated if masquerade staff could be a little more conscious of people’s anxieties about putting themselves out there.  But more importantly, please be careful not to make people feel guilty for needing to take the time.

– Sarah

 

On June 22, 2014, at 6:12PM, “Gravely MacCabre gravelymac@yahoo.com [runacc]” wrote:

 

 

 

 

Rehersals for SF/F
what we had to end up doing to try to make sure we had time for everyone who really needed rehersals, was
if Anne Marie and I knew the person fron Anime North, we asked if the basic AN version of tech was fine, and if they said yes, we mentioned they probably wouldnt need a rehersal then cause they knew how it would be. BUT we also said, however, at CC you have the right to rehearse if you want
and made it their choice.
this is from a different post, but I agree the use of the ninjas got WAAAAAYYYY out of control, so much so, that even AN is re thinking what they do now.
picking up a prop? cool
Carryiong off a dead guy?? cool
being 8 people in your skit cause you didnt have 8 costumers to do it with, NOT COOL !! LOL
I am trying to just shrug it off as their enthusiasm for trying to be wonderful at CC. cause even the ones that have been doing this for many years up there, where nervous as hell calling it a CC stage
On Sunday, June 22, 2014 2:36 PM, “‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

One other note – green room snacks came late, and there weren’t enough.
 
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Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 1:10 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] SLCG CC32 Review – F & SF backstage



I was the only one competing from our group this year, so this is mostly my opinion alone, except where noted.
 
Tech – Apparently, the crew was minimal – many of the ones who work at Anime North and would have worked this con got hired away recently.  Nonetheless, the crew they had were friendly and co-operative and knew what they were doing.
Rehearsal slots were limited, for practical purposes.   Those who competed at AN with the same costume last year got no rehearsal time, with a few exceptions.  Sometimes, this decision was a little arbitrary.   I can understand the logic, though – trying to do tech rehearsals for 88 entries would have been
problematic.
Like CC31, lighting was provided by banks of LEDs.   It’s ultimately cheaper to run, but this has an unfortunate tendency to throw a cool blue light on everything.   You’d think people would figure out how to put filters on them to fix that.    There was supposedly a black light for use by contestants, but it was probably unnecessary.    It was nice to have the two projection screens so that the audience could see more detail to the costumes.   And for the first time in a few years, there was a green room video feed (sans audio).
The one thing that comes in for criticism was the Green Room.   Again, because of the unexpected numbers of attendees, there were more entries.   The Green Room size was
woefully inadequate.   They had us sitting in rows of chairs across from each other, and that was our “den” – no tables.   In fact, part of the outside hall had to be curtained off to provide more space for dens.   It didn’t help that there were a number of costumes/set pieces that had a large “footprint”.
There was a miscommunication about when people could get into the Green Room – at tech rehearsal, we were told we could get in as early as 5:00, but that didn’t happen.   As a result, there was a long line parallel to the queue for masquerade show seating and we didn’t start getting checked in until around 6:00.  
Another communication problem centered around making sure the entrants got both their polaroids and official
photography.   A small part of this may have been the language barrier, since there were French Canadians as well as the English speaking den people.   Nonetheless, overall, the backstage crew was pretty good and otherwise well-organized, coping with the huge number of people.
By the end of the evening, the SF MD was losing their voice.   Perhaps because they were French Canadian, they read the awards in French first, and then barely got the words out in English, leaving people wondering what the award was for.   If you’re going be bilingual, you should be sure to give equal clarity and weight to the announcements.  For that matter, if you’re losing your voice, it would be better to just relinquish the duty to someone else, like the judges.
Critique from the judges – the entry forms had the Skill Divisions on them, but not whether the entry was a recreation or original, which is very important when there is no documentation. 



 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2687 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/22/2014
Subject: Re: runacc] SLCG CC32 Review – F & SF backstage

 

In comparison, we told Historical masquerade entrants that tech rehearsal was absolutely mandatory and that they would be scratched if they did not participate.  I regard it as a safety thing; as MD, I want to know what they’re doing before it’s too late..  Of course, we didn’t have the “problem” of 88 entries.

 

Byron

 

On Jun 22, 2014, at 7:37 PM, Sarah A Bloy berzerker.prime@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

One thing that I would like to point out…

 

There was kind of a lot of pressure on people not to do a tech rehearsal.  When I signed up, it was *technically* my choice, yes, but there was a lot of looking at me sideways and double-checking.  I think at one point I was actually asked “are you actually completely SURE that you need it?”  It made me rather uncomfortable because it sort of made me feel guilty for needing to take a slot.  And I know of one or two people who decided not to do a tech rehearsal because of that.

If this does become an issue again in the future (a good problem to have, mind you) it would be greatly appreciated if masquerade staff could be a little more conscious of people’s anxieties about putting themselves out there.  But more importantly, please be careful not to make people feel guilty for needing to take the time.

– Sarah



On June 22, 2014, at 6:12PM, “Gravely MacCabre gravelymac@yahoo.com [runacc]”  wrote:

 

Rehersals for SF/F
 
what we had to end up doing to try to make sure we had time for everyone who really needed rehersals, was
 
if Anne Marie and I knew the person fron Anime North, we asked if the basic AN version of tech was fine, and if they said yes, we mentioned they probably wouldnt need a rehersal then cause they knew how it would be. BUT we also said, however, at CC you have the right to rehearse if you want
 
and made it their choice.
 
this is from a different post, but I agree the use of the ninjas got WAAAAAYYYY out of control, so much so, that even AN is re thinking what they do now. 
picking up a prop? cool
Carryiong off a dead guy?? cool
 
being 8 people in your skit cause you didnt have 8 costumers to do it with, NOT COOL !! LOL
 
I am trying to just shrug it off as their enthusiasm for trying to be wonderful at CC. cause even the ones that have been doing this for many years up there, where nervous as hell calling it a CC stage 
 
 




On Sunday, June 22, 2014 2:36 PM, “‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



 

One other note – green room snacks came late, and there weren’t enough.
 
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 1:10 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] SLCG CC32 Review – F & SF backstage



I was the only one competing from our group this year, so this is mostly my opinion alone, except where noted.
 
Tech – Apparently, the crew was minimal – many of the ones who work at Anime North and would have worked this con got hired away recently.  Nonetheless, the crew they had were friendly and co-operative and knew what they were doing.
Rehearsal slots were limited, for practical purposes.   Those who competed at AN with the same costume last year got no rehearsal time, with a few exceptions.  Sometimes, this decision was a little arbitrary.   I can understand the logic, though – trying to do tech rehearsals for 88 entries would have been problematic.
Like CC31, lighting was provided by banks of LEDs.   It’s ultimately cheaper to run, but this has an unfortunate tendency to throw a cool blue light on everything.   You’d think people would figure out how to put filters on them to fix that.    There was supposedly a black light for use by contestants, but it was probably unnecessary.    It was nice to have the two projection screens so that the audience could see more detail to the costumes.   And for the first time in a few years, there was a green room video feed (sans audio).
The one thing that comes in for criticism was the Green Room.   Again, because of the unexpected numbers of attendees, there were more entries.   The Green Room size was woefully inadequate.   They had us sitting in rows of chairs across from each other, and that was our “den” – no tables.   In fact, part of the outside hall had to be curtained off to provide more space for dens.   It didn’t help that there were a number of costumes/set pieces that had a large “footprint”.
There was a miscommunication about when people could get into the Green Room – at tech rehearsal, we were told we could get in as early as 5:00, but that didn’t happen.   As a result, there was a long line parallel to the queue for masquerade show seating and we didn’t start getting checked in until around 6:00.  
Another communication problem centered around making sure the entrants got both their polaroids and official photography.   A small part of this may have been the language barrier, since there were French Canadians as well as the English speaking den people.   Nonetheless, overall, the backstage crew was pretty good and otherwise well-organized, coping with the huge number of people.
By the end of the evening, the SF MD was losing their voice.   Perhaps because they were French Canadian, they read the awards in French first, and then barely got the words out in English, leaving people wondering what the award was for.   If you’re going be bilingual, you should be sure to give equal clarity and weight to the announcements.  For that matter, if you’re losing your voice, it would be better to just relinquish the duty to someone else, like the judges.
Critique from the judges – the entry forms had the Skill Divisions on them, but not whether the entry was a recreation or original, which is very important when there is no documentation. 





 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2688 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 6/22/2014
Subject: Re: SLCG CC32 Review – Programming

First, I think I saw the original post, but clearly it needed reposting, so glad you did.

Second, if the Show and Tell session is becoming a regular event, then I am immeasurably happy. To me it’s awesome to get an opportunity to see how an award-winning (or just nifty) costume or prop was created for stage, which I might get a whole minute to see before it zips by, never to be seen again.
I would encourage ALL CC program planners to slot times for each masquerade on the day following, for the purpose.
I know it’s tough to get up in the morning and drag stuff down again, but the reward is worth the effort. I promise.
Thanks,

Betsy

 

On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 7:28 PM, Byron Connell byronpconnell@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

My 5/4 comment about programming was: “I was not able to get to any panels I was not on.  However, my three all were well attended.  On Monday afternoon, the two-hour Historical Masquerade show-and-tell was virtually standing room only for the entire two-hour period!”
Byron
Betsy Marks Delaney

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2689 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/25/2014
Subject: SLCG CC32 Review – Historical masquerade

 

 

Opinions varied – Byron, as MD,  can make his own comments, if he wishes,

It seemed like a lot of people may not have provided their own music?   Some people unfamiliar with the format didn’t know what to do Byron confirmed this.     So tech provided some choices.    Many sound tracks had sort of the same tone.    

 

Original comment:   “Almost everyone in the show, but two, got awards.   In our opinion, this is creeping award inflation.   If they’re all that good, perhaps the bar for quality needs to be raised, otherwise there’s hardly any  point to having a “competition”.  And if only one or two people do not get awards, what message does that send?   You might as well just eliminate the awards.”

 

Follow up: There was some disagreement about this, because not everyone got awards in all three categories.   But almost everyone seemed to get >something<, which led to that perception.

The presentations themselves were mostly uninspiring, but at least there were no overly long ones.   There were only a few entries that stood out for being different and there were no ethnic entries, a little surprisingly.

 

There was a printed program for the show, which was nice,  but it was hard to read.   Judge deliberations took longer, for a smaller show, even with having pre-judged the day before.

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2690 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/28/2014
Subject: Re: SLCG CC32 Review – Programming

 

 

Hey, if it works, it works.   Something to build Monday programming on.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 8:13 PM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: Re: [runacc] SLCG CC32 Review – Programming

First, I think I saw the original post, but clearly it needed reposting, so glad you did.

Second, if the Show and Tell session is becoming a regular event, then I am immeasurably happy. To me it’s awesome to get an opportunity to see how an award-winning (or just nifty) costume or prop was created for stage, which I might get a whole minute to see before it zips by, never to be seen again.

I would encourage ALL CC program planners to slot times for each masquerade on the day following, for the purpose.

I know it’s tough to get up in the morning and drag stuff down again, but the reward is worth the effort. I promise.

Thanks,

Betsy

On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 7:28 PM, Byron Connell byronpconnell@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

My 5/4 comment about programming was: “I was not able to get to any panels I was not on.  However, my three all were well attended.  On Monday afternoon, the two-hour Historical Masquerade show-and-tell was virtually standing room only for the entire two-hour period!”

Byron

Betsy Marks Delaney

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2691 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/28/2014
Subject: SLCG CC32 Review – Monday Programming

 

 

Speaking of Monday….

Not much going on, but that’s usually the case, however it did run until 2:00, rather than the usual 12:00.   Only one or two tours for Monday, in comparison to before the con.   Apparently, a lot of the Old Guard that did come to the con did not stick around through Monday, this time.   The Archives Road Show didn’t have that many people in the audience, probably for that reason.   Good thing Byron’s thing went well.

 

The pool party that started at 7:00 pm, and was relatively successful, even if  we didn’t know many people there.   Hey, at least there was a hot tub this time.

 

The Con Suite Dead Dog party was said to be open until 10:00, but apparently it was open even later than that.   Guess the staff was hoping people still might eat some of the less popular food left over.   My guess is, they still had stuff they had to throw out.  

 

Note to future Costumer Suite people:  Don’t cheap out on the soda and buy off-brands.   You’ll have less of it at the end of con.  People prefer the major companies.    And some places where you buy in bulk will let you return unused portions.

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2692 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/28/2014
Subject: CC32 Demographics observations

 

 

Not surprisingly, the crowd skewed much younger than we usually see – a great percentage were in their 20s.   There were more male costumers at this CC.  The most Asians we’ve ever seen at a CC – kinda cool.    As mentioned, not as many of the CC regulars came to this con  – possibly for economic reasons?   The hotel halls were mostly filled with recreation costumes, because there was heavy promotion with the Anime North crowd.  There were not many original creations, but there were a few interpretations of media costumes.   It’ll be interesting to see if returning people stretch themselves beyond those interpretations in three years.   A lot of those wound up on the stage later, since the staff didn’t discourage waiting to reveal their creations.   At least the attendees were better behaved, most of the time, so there wasn’t the immature atmosphere of some anime cons.  They were willing to talk to different people, and didn’t keep to themselves too much.   We also saw several families in attendance.     Will CC 35 get as many people next time?  We’ll see.  Also, will CC influence any Anime North entries next year?   All the online reviews of the con have been pretty positive.   That’s good.

As near as we can tell, everyone who entered the masquerades were honest about what skill level they should enter at. 

We get the impression that Anime North guides the less experienced people more at their masquerade, but it makes for a more homogenous show.  The audience was more engaged in the CC shows, but they also had to be shushed a few times because of what they are used to at other cons.   Some of them were cheering or chanting for friends, which is not really done at CC.

A lot of the Canadians may not wind up going outside of the US for another CC – sort of like the Californians – why would they need to leave Toronto with so many cons?    We may see an uptick of attendance at Madison, in two years, but don’t imagine we’ll see many of them show up at Charleston.

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2693 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/28/2014
Subject: SLCG CC32 Review – Wrap up

 

 

Uniquely, official photos were free.   A photographer was paid an upfront fee, so all  attendees were sent a link to download all the pictures from a website (although the resolution was limited to good pictures roughly 5″ x 7″, which is usually good enough for most people).  Not sure how the trademark holder will get those, since there’s no disc, but that should not be forgotten.

Overall, we had a pretty good time, and gave the con a good solid A (or if you go by numbers, anywhere from an 8 to 10 out of 10, depending on who you talk to)

 

Well done, Dawn and staff.   Yours will be a measuring stick by which future cons will be judged by.  This will be vitally important to keep in mind for keeping the younger people coming back.

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2694 From: beckieboo817 Date: 11/24/2014
Subject: Costume Con 36 Bid

Karen Schnaubelt is pleased to announce that I have won the right to bid on Costume Con 36 in 2018 in San Diego. If you want to make sure it happens, please go to the website for Costume Con 33 and buy a supporting membership for $25. http://cc33charleston.org/wp/membership/  For that supporting membership, you get all of the con publications including the Future Fashion Folio and progress reports and then are qualified to vote. Also, if interested in the ICG you can vote on any decisions they’re making.

 

Then in May, you can help guarantee us win by filling out a proxy and sending your $10 voting fee with me to the convention.  I submit it to the site selection committee, they tally the votes and announce the winner at the historical masquerade on Sunday night.

 

What I’m wanting to do for the convention’s theme is Ports of Call. Because of San Diego being a military town, I figured that was a good theme. But it doesn’t have to be present or historical or even military related.

 

So, please help me win this bid.

 

Rebecca Rowan

 

Beckieboo817@yahoo.com

 

P.S. anyone willing to help via advice, physical work or just support, let me know

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2695 From: beckieboo817 Date: 12/8/2014
Subject: Timelines for conventions

This last weekend, I attended SMOFCon.  Granted, it’s skewed towards WorldCons and not smaller cons but I came away with ideas.  On Friday, I attended a seminar on facilities. Saturday morn, they had a panel on timelines and that brings me to why I’m writing. I’ve asked Kevin Roche and Dawn McKechnie for one and I’ve got Elaine Mami helping me but could I get timelines for some of the more recent cons and maybe some of the future ones of what they’re planning on getting done when or what they had done by when. Like, I’m 5 months out from the vote at CC33. Now, I know that usually, we didn’t worry about opposing bids but after last year, I’m trying to be prepared. So, what would or did you do leading up to winning the bid?

 

Okay, you’ve got the bid now what?  I know the biggest thing is find a facility and get the word out. Did you feel you needed to have certain things done by a certain time?  I know that when we get within the 2 year mark, is when the masquerades start gearing up, especially, Future Fashion Folio.  What else did you do?

 

Dawn has said she’s sending me some thoughts on what she felt she did wrong and what she did right. I’ve got historical financial and member info from CC30, 31 and hopefully 32 and if I remind Kevin, 26. I’m wanting to do this right and do this well so that everyone has an enjoyable time, including Elaine and I.

 

So, thanks in advance for anyone who sends me info.  You can send it directly to me at Rebecca8175atgmaildotcom.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2696 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 3/23/2015
Subject: Is this list still relevant?

 

 

I’ve noticed that there’s almost no traffic on this list anymore.   Is it still of use?  Have we answered all the questions ever needed to be asked, or do the various new bids that come in each year confident that they know how to run a Costume-Con?   (Seemingly, more of the same old mistakes are made than new ones).   Just askin’…..

Bruce

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2697 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 3/23/2015
Subject: Re: Is this list still relevant?

It’s a great question. Anyone?

-b

 

 

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 8:22 AM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I’ve noticed that there’s almost no traffic on this list anymore.   Is it still of use?  Have we answered all the questions ever needed to be asked, or do the various new bids that come in each year confident that they know how to run a Costume-Con?   (Seemingly, more of the same old mistakes are made than new ones).   Just askin’…..

 

Bruce

 

 


Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2698 From: Byron Connell Date: 3/23/2015
Subject: Re: Is this list still relevant?

 

I think it’s still relevant.  My impression is that it does get traffic after each CC, especially by the newly landed committee.  The last message was in December; however, it discussed the correspoindent’s experience at SMOFcon.  Those of us with more experience probably have more direct connections; however, we’re the ones who can address questions posed by newbies.

 

Moving the old discussions to an archive in which they’re sorted by topic and date and using the archive link on the runacc site might make it easier for new con-runners to find material, cut down on repeat questions, and maybe lead to new questions.  It also could make it easier for new concoms to avoid the old mistakes, and just make new ones!
Of course, the problem will be finding someone to do this.
Byron

 

 

On Mar 23, 2015, at 10:05 AM, Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

It’s a great question. Anyone?

-b

 

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 8:22 AM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



I’ve noticed that there’s almost no traffic on this list anymore.   Is it still of use?  Have we answered all the questions ever needed to be asked, or do the various new bids that come in each year confident that they know how to run a Costume-Con?   (Seemingly, more of the same old mistakes are made than new ones).   Just askin’…..

 

Bruce





 

Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2699 From: beckieboo817 Date: 3/23/2015
Subject: Re: Is this list still relevant?

I can’t get to my Yahoo group to answer but I’ve come to it a couple of times, and asked questions with virtually no answers given. Bryan answered a question I asked last December but he was the only one.

 
I sent this to Bruce earlier because I couldn’t get on to the groups earlier. I think it’s a good place to come for answers. It may not always seem relevant and may have slow traffic but I do think it’s pertinent and a great resource…Because I’ve gone back through the old emails to read what people have done and not done…It is a helpful place to go.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2700 From: ECM Date: 3/23/2015
Subject: Re: Is this list still relevant?

 

I’ve always found it very helpful.  Now that we’re looking forward to CC36 – please everyone, VOTE! – I expect most of our committee and staff in San Diego will join.  Most of them (again) have never been to a CC, but are willing to learn.

Elaine


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 10:05:22 -0400
Subject: Re: [runacc] Is this list still relevant?

 

It’s a great question. Anyone?

-b

 

 

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 8:22 AM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I’ve noticed that there’s almost no traffic on this list anymore.   Is it still of use?  Have we answered all the questions ever needed to be asked, or do the various new bids that come in each year confident that they know how to run a Costume-Con?   (Seemingly, more of the same old mistakes are made than new ones).   Just askin’…..

 

Bruce

 

 


Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2701 From: dandyhank Date: 3/24/2015
Subject: Re: Is this list still relevant?

I strongly believe this group is still relevant. I agree with Byron, that there is more traffic here right after CC, but for the ones coming up, such as Madison, Toronto 2, and San Diego, if I remember right, will need the opinions of those of us who have run a CC before them. I know they have direct contact with some of us vets, but more is always better for some answers. And calming nerves.

Henry Osier
Two Time Member of the Never Again Club

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2702 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 3/24/2015
Subject: Re: Is this list still relevant?

 

 

Hm.  Well, looking back, beyond what I posted after CC32, there has been almost no traffic since then.    And unless I deleted a few in my folder, there were a whopping 10 emails between that and the CC31 review.   So, this is becoming less an active list as it is an archive l(little a) list of discussions past.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 7:24 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] Re: Is this list still relevant?

I strongly believe this group is still relevant. I agree with Byron, that there is more traffic here right after CC, but for the ones coming up, such as Madison, Toronto 2, and San Diego, if I remember right, will need the opinions of those of us who have run a CC before them. I know they have direct contact with some of us vets, but more is always better for some answers. And calming nerves.

Henry Osier
Two Time Member of the Never Again Club

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2703 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 3/24/2015
Subject: Re: Is this list still relevant?

As an archive, it costs nothing to continue. Unless or until Yahoo decides groups are finished, I don’t see a particular reason to kill the list. Do folks generally agree with me? I doubt that moving to a format like Facebook would be useful, since the ability for folks to see posts depends on whether users have blocked each other. Blocking isn’t an option in a mailing list group, though members can certainly turn posts off.

There are ways to participate that don’t involve the Yahoo interface. I receive messages in my own mailbox and respond to them there. If you use the Yahoo interface exclusively, would you please drop me a line and let me know how that’s working for you? I’m curious.
Thanks,
Betsy

 

 

On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 11:10 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Hm.  Well, looking back, beyond what I posted after CC32, there has been almost no traffic since then.    And unless I deleted a few in my folder, there were a whopping 10 emails between that and the CC31 review.   So, this is becoming less an active list as it is an archive l(little a) list of discussions past.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 7:24 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] Re: Is this list still relevant?

 

 

I strongly believe this group is still relevant. I agree with Byron, that there is more traffic here right after CC, but for the ones coming up, such as Madison, Toronto 2, and San Diego, if I remember right, will need the opinions of those of us who have run a CC before them. I know they have direct contact with some of us vets, but more is always better for some answers. And calming nerves.

Henry Osier
Two Time Member of the Never Again Club

 

 

 


Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

 

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Group: runacc Message: 2604 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/5/2013
Subject: Re: Masquerades in general
Group: runacc Message: 2605 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/5/2013
Subject: Re: Masquerades in general
Group: runacc Message: 2606 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/5/2013
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Cons and membership upgrades
Group: runacc Message: 2607 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/5/2013
Subject: Re: Masquerades in general
Group: runacc Message: 2608 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/5/2013
Subject: Re: Masquerades in general
Group: runacc Message: 2609 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/5/2013
Subject: Re: Masquerades in general
Group: runacc Message: 2610 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 6/5/2013
Subject: Re: Masquerades in general
Group: runacc Message: 2611 From: Jamie Butler Date: 6/6/2013
Subject: Re: Masquerades in general
Group: runacc Message: 2612 From: staceylee25 Date: 6/6/2013
Subject: Re: Masquerades in general
Group: runacc Message: 2613 From: Jamie Butler Date: 6/6/2013
Subject: Re: Masquerades in general
Group: runacc Message: 2614 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/6/2013
Subject: Re: Masquerades in general
Group: runacc Message: 2615 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/6/2013
Subject: Re: Masquerades in general
Group: runacc Message: 2616 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/6/2013
Subject: Re: Masquerades in general
Group: runacc Message: 2617 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 6/8/2013
Subject: Re: Masquerades in general
Group: runacc Message: 2618 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/10/2013
Subject: Re: Masquerades in general
Group: runacc Message: 2619 From: Rebecca Date: 6/19/2013
Subject: Needing help
Group: runacc Message: 2620 From: Bruce Date: 6/23/2013
Subject: “Costume-Con is different”
Group: runacc Message: 2621 From: Tina Connell Date: 6/24/2013
Subject: Re: “Costume-Con is different”
Group: runacc Message: 2622 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 6/24/2013
Subject: Re: “Costume-Con is different”
Group: runacc Message: 2623 From: Kevin Roche Date: 6/24/2013
Subject: Re: “Costume-Con is different”
Group: runacc Message: 2624 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/24/2013
Subject: Re: “Costume-Con is different”
Group: runacc Message: 2625 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/24/2013
Subject: Re: “Costume-Con is different” – CC16 notes
Group: runacc Message: 2626 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 6/24/2013
Subject: Re: “Costume-Con is different” – CC16 notes
Group: runacc Message: 2627 From: Bruce Date: 6/29/2013
Subject: CC31 Review – opening remarks and before the con
Group: runacc Message: 2628 From: Bruce Date: 6/29/2013
Subject: CC31 Review – The Hotel and Registration
Group: runacc Message: 2629 From: Bruce Date: 6/29/2013
Subject: CC31 Review – Programming, Exhibits, Dealers Room & the Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 2630 From: Bruce Date: 6/29/2013
Subject: CC31 Review – Friday Night Social and Single Pattern Show
Group: runacc Message: 2631 From: Bruce Date: 6/29/2013
Subject: CC31 Review – F & SF Masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 2632 From: Bruce Date: 6/29/2013
Subject: CC31 Review – Future Fashion Show
Group: runacc Message: 2633 From: Bruce Date: 6/29/2013
Subject: CC31 Review – Random Notes Wrap Up
Group: runacc Message: 2634 From: jbdashoff@aol.com Date: 4/17/2014
Subject: News
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Group: runacc Message: 2604 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/5/2013
Subject: Re: Masquerades in general

Exactly!

Other differences inclde the Future Fashion Show, where the real competition is in the designs, and the presentation is a chance to see how well you can interpret someone else’s designs. Traditionally the awards have been limited to 3 – best costume made by the designer, best made by someone else, and possibly Best In Show. Those 3 events go back to CC1, and are required at all CCs. The presentation is more like an actual fashion show, and if you can get a runway, so much the beter. It’s up to tech.

More recently the Single Pattern has been added, and that is totally pre-judged in the Green Room. Some of the patterns used have been bras & codpieces.

Other events have been added over the years – the doll competition & the quilt/wearable art show for some. Others have included The Iron Costumer competition (Ghods, what chaotic fun that was!) and the Costumers’ Runway show, which ran for 2 days of intense competition.

Besides events like Costume College – which is all learning, and very hard to get into – CCs are the only cons which are all costumeings all the time. With the rising through the roof costs of WorldCons, many of us only go to CCs lately.

They really ARE different!

In my experience, the CC SF&F Masquerade is in most ways similar to a

well-run high-level masquerade.

The Historical is different, because there has evolved an expectation that

all garments must be examined up close by all judges. This requires setting

up an interview schedule for all entries, which is quite different from the

way a “standard” masquerade is judged. (Personally, I’d like to see CC find

a space for the “I just want to go across the stage” kind of entry in the

historical, but that is a different discussion).

Elaine’s comments about the shared technical services is a good one,

although at Worldcon, the Hugos and Masquerade also usually share a setup.

Kevin

On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Jamie Butler <utopianqueen2000@yahoo.com>wrote:

> Thank you for putting this out here stace. I honestly was too terrified to

> ask myself after judging in this year’s st masq. I was all set to be CC34’s

> historical masquerade director and after reading the emails and seeing how

> passionate everyone got about what a CC masquerade should be, I’ve

> questioned if I should all together.

>

> Jamie Butler

> President of Madison Area Costuming Society

> Member of the Guilde of St George

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Group: runacc Message: 2605 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/5/2013
Subject: Re: Masquerades in general

You’ve been to Archon, CCs are not that different from Archon. Yet very different from some other conventions.

But back to Archon – a known quantity to you & Jamie. The only significant difference between Archon and a CC F&SF is that there are generally more awards at a CC. But not always, that can be affected by an MD or Con-Chair decision. Aside from that, Archon is very like if not better than a CC F&SF.

CC Historical is different in the breadth of judging; documentation, workmanship & stage are usually judged as three seperate portions of the masque. That is also not written in stone but becoming more of the “standard” for CCs aligning itself with the “excellence deserves recognition” credo.

Does that help?

Nora

— On Wed, 6/5/13, staceylee25 <staceylee25@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: staceylee25 <staceylee25@yahoo.com>
Subject: [runacc] Masquerades in general
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 2:36 PM

Not that I want to derail the current topic entirely (it’s good to discuss, I’m reading avidly) but I’m reminded of something I’ve been intending to ask the runacc conclave for a few months now. No time like the present, given the topic.

While I’ve never personally directed a masquerade, I’ve competed in more than I can count, judged somewhere around 8-10, and lived in the same household as two directors, as well as been to 4 CCs now. I feel like I have a pretty good grasp of how a quality masquerade is run and judged. That’s not to say I’m not going to take a few steps to double-reassure myself but that’s not for this discussion. But given the foibles seen at CC31, which I’m also not going to review just now, there has been a lot of talk of “but CC is different!”

HOW different?

I want to know whether there are any actual structural, logistical differences between CostumeCon and any major genre convention that uses ICG guidelines (Archon, CONvergence, etc), or if the difference is only in expectations. Because when I break down the details, from where I sit, it looks like the way the masquerade is run is pretty much exactly the same as anything I’ve judged, competed in, or helped run. The only difference that I can see is that there are subjective expectations that differ from genre cons. And, anyone who has spent any length of time hanging around CC vets will pick up some of that subjectivity by listening to their opinions.

This matters to me because I wanted to know whether implementing a slightly different judging system and awards structure (while still adhering to the standard “Merit deserves reward” philosophy) would cause people to flip tables, or if it was up to the whim of the director. Informal surveying has only ever given me the answer “it’s up to the director.” And, it also matters because I’m concerned that costumers from younger chapters may not be encouraged to step up and become the next generation of CC directors, judges, and volunteers when they’re intimidated by talk of how different it is. If we continually dump masquerade responsibilities on the same vets every year, do we not risk burning them out while also not ever training up the next generation to take their place?

I’d like to hear general opinions on what the vets believe is so “different” about a CC masquerade compared to any midsize-to-large genre con that runs using ICG guidelines. I’m not talking about the popularity contests at GenCon or the ridiculous lack of standards for workmanship at rinky-dink first-year anime and relaxicons, I’m talking about competitions that are generally understood as being some of the best-run and best-judged. IS there a difference? If so, what IS the difference? Is it only in how people feel like the entrants should be treated? In how many awards should be given out? The atmosphere backstage? Or is there some kind of secret handshake that only CC directors know that has to be taught?

It’s not going to stop me from directing, but I’m curious to hear opinions.

Stace
MACS vp and CC34 secretary

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Group: runacc Message: 2606 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/5/2013
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Cons and membership upgrades

That’s really up to each concom. I know of no general rule to that effect. Of course, it might be impossible for an entrant without at least a one-day membership to participate in tech rehearsal, which would make a day membership at least a de facto requirement.

Byron

On Jun 4, 2013, at 9:50 PM, bruno@soulmasque.com wrote:

> It has always been my understanding that to enter a masquerade, you
> have to have at least a one day membership for the day of the
> masquerade.
>
> Michael
>
> On 2013-06-04 04:16, Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:
> > You’d have to ask Henry but I know that one entrant at CC31 wanted to
> > just
> > enter the FSF and (I think) Henry told him that he’d probably have to
> > pay
> > for at least a one-day, Saturday.
> > I overheard part of this cause I was taking entrants for the SP right
> > next
> > to him, but he’d have to give you the factual details.
> >
> > Nora
> >
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Group: runacc Message: 2607 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/5/2013
Subject: Re: Masquerades in general

Stace —

I ‘ve run SF masquerades at a CC and at regional cons and worldcons. I been to more than 20 CCs and I don’t think the CC SF masquerade is very different from that at a well-run regional sf con or a worldcon. One difference, as Elaine has noted, is that the MD doesn’t have to worry about finding and organizing tech, backstage, green room, official photography, and so forth. They’re usually the same for all events. (I volunteered to run the green room for all CC 34 events.) Usually, CC’s have a basic set of rules for all events, covering such things as no live mike and no peanut butter; these need not be included in the individual MD’s rules. Some CC’s have used the same MC for all events, too. Aside from that support, the contestant info and rules and the judges’ instructions are pretty much the same as at a regional con or worldcon. Where differences may arise is in the MD’s information and rules for entrants and judges. Some MDs may not have read carefully the Fairness Guidelines or may have decided to simplify their own rules (e.g., by collapsing skill divisions). That’s fine. The MD makes the rules and the ICG guidelines are just that: guidelines, not rules. However, when I ran Arisia and Philcon masquerades, as well as Anticipation and Chicon, I hewed to the terms of the guidelines very closely. Other MD’s have done so, too. I believe most experienced CC attendees would expect the SF MD to do so.

The historical masquerade, on the other hand, is rather different. I’ve run three of them and am running the next one. First, it’s the only one. Regional SF cons and worldcons may permit historical entries in their SF masquerades; however, those entries usually don’t really fit the masquerade’s theme or purpose. At CCs, the historical is the historical is the historical., It differs not only in topic but also in the approach the entrants take. While there are some who believe “historical” ought to be pronounced “hysterical” (I am one of them), humor is rare in historical entries (but see “The Battle of the Bulge” at CC 17: http://www.costume-con.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=3636&g2_page=2), group entries are less often seen, and the typical entry is one entrant presenting one recreation of a period garment.

In addition, the historical requires the entrants to prepare documentation in support of their entries and requires the judges to review and judge the documentation. In addition, every entrant is required to meet with the judges to review his or her workmanship, for mandatory judging (unlike the voluntary workmanship judging in an SF masquerade. This takes a huge amount of time for the judges, who usually are unable to do anything else on Sunday — and maybe Saturday, depending on how large the show becomes. The MD needs to manage the schedule to some extent and check periodically that the judging is reasonably on schedule (it often is not). As a result, the judges normally make awards in three independent categories: documentation, workmanship, and presentation on stage and it’s not unknown for the total of awards across the three categories to exceed the total of entries (even though some entries receive no awards).

Unlike for SF masquerades, the MD’s information and rules also must address the requirements for documentation as well as other aspects of the competition. See my info for the CC 32 historical as one example (http://costumecon32.com/programming-2014/competitions-events/historical-masquerade/). The Costume-Con web site (http://www.costume-con.org/gallery2/main.php) includes other sets of rules.

One general difference is that any any CC masquerade, the audience may be a bit sparse, as so many attendees are either entering the competition or helping to run it! 🙂

I hope this helps, please get back to us with your reactions, comments and questions. We all want 34 to be a success.

Byron

On Jun 5, 2013, at 3:36 PM, staceylee25 <staceylee25@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Not that I want to derail the current topic entirely (it’s good to discuss, I’m reading avidly) but I’m reminded of something I’ve been intending to ask the runacc conclave for a few months now. No time like the present, given the topic.
>
> While I’ve never personally directed a masquerade, I’ve competed in more than I can count, judged somewhere around 8-10, and lived in the same household as two directors, as well as been to 4 CCs now. I feel like I have a pretty good grasp of how a quality masquerade is run and judged. That’s not to say I’m not going to take a few steps to double-reassure myself but that’s not for this discussion. But given the foibles seen at CC31, which I’m also not going to review just now, there has been a lot of talk of “but CC is different!”
>
> HOW different?
>
> I want to know whether there are any actual structural, logistical differences between CostumeCon and any major genre convention that uses ICG guidelines (Archon, CONvergence, etc), or if the difference is only in expectations. Because when I break down the details, from where I sit, it looks like the way the masquerade is run is pretty much exactly the same as anything I’ve judged, competed in, or helped run. The only difference that I can see is that there are subjective expectations that differ from genre cons. And, anyone who has spent any length of time hanging around CC vets will pick up some of that subjectivity by listening to their opinions.
>
> This matters to me because I wanted to know whether implementing a slightly different judging system and awards structure (while still adhering to the standard “Merit deserves reward” philosophy) would cause people to flip tables, or if it was up to the whim of the director. Informal surveying has only ever given me the answer “it’s up to the director.” And, it also matters because I’m concerned that costumers from younger chapters may not be encouraged to step up and become the next generation of CC directors, judges, and volunteers when they’re intimidated by talk of how different it is. If we continually dump masquerade responsibilities on the same vets every year, do we not risk burning them out while also not ever training up the next generation to take their place?
>
> I’d like to hear general opinions on what the vets believe is so “different” about a CC masquerade compared to any midsize-to-large genre con that runs using ICG guidelines. I’m not talking about the popularity contests at GenCon or the ridiculous lack of standards for workmanship at rinky-dink first-year anime and relaxicons, I’m talking about competitions that are generally understood as being some of the best-run and best-judged. IS there a difference? If so, what IS the difference? Is it only in how people feel like the entrants should be treated? In how many awards should be given out? The atmosphere backstage? Or is there some kind of secret handshake that only CC directors know that has to be taught?
>
> It’s not going to stop me from directing, but I’m curious to hear opinions.
>
> Stace
> MACS vp and CC34 secretary
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2608 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/5/2013
Subject: Re: Masquerades in general

Jamie —

Don’t you dare bail! We need new blood and we haven’t executed an MD yet! I ran the historicals at 24, 25, and 29 and am running the one at 32. I’ll be happy to work with you and I’m confident other historical MDs will be, too.

See my comments on the historical in my response to Stace.

Byron

On Jun 5, 2013, at 3:49 PM, Jamie Butler <utopianqueen2000@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Thank you for putting this out here stace. I honestly was too terrified to ask myself after judging in this year’s st masq. I was all set to be CC34’s historical masquerade director and after reading the emails and seeing how passionate everyone got about what a CC masquerade should be, I’ve questioned if I should all together.
>
> Jamie Butler
> President of Madison Area Costuming Society
> Member of the Guilde of St George
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Group: runacc Message: 2609 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/5/2013
Subject: Re: Masquerades in general

Jamie,
This is exactly what I meant earlier: Attach yourself to Byron next year and you will learn a lot! Do the same at 33, because each MD has different ways to handle the same situations. It’s a good way to avoid silly mis-steps.
Elaine

>
>
> Jamie —
>
> Don’t you dare bail! We need new blood and we haven’t executed an MD yet! I ran the historicals at 24, 25, and 29 and am running the one at 32. I’ll be happy to work with you and I’m confident other historical MDs will be, too.
>
> See my comments on the historical in my response to Stace.
>
> Byron
>
>
> On Jun 5, 2013, at 3:49 PM, Jamie Butler <utopianqueen2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Thank you for putting this out here stace. I honestly was too terrified to ask myself after judging in this year’s st masq. I was all set to be CC34’s historical masquerade director and after reading the emails and seeing how passionate everyone got about what a CC masquerade should be, I’ve questioned if I should all together.
> >
> > Jamie Butler
> > President of Madison Area Costuming Society
> > Member of the Guilde of St George
> >
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Group: runacc Message: 2610 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 6/5/2013
Subject: Re: Masquerades in general

Yes, definitely – we’re running the Historical for 33.

P & S

At 09:46 PM 6/5/2013, Elaine Mami wrote:

>Jamie,
>This is exactly what I meant earlier: Attach yourself to Byron next
>year and you will learn a lot! Do the same at 33, because each MD
>has different ways to handle the same situations. It’s a good way to
>avoid silly mis-steps.
>Elaine
>
> > Jamie —
> >
> > Don’t you dare bail! We need new blood and we haven’t executed an
> MD yet! I ran the historicals at 24, 25, and 29 and am running the
> one at 32. I’ll be happy to work with you and I’m confident other
> historical MDs will be, too.
> >
> > See my comments on the historical in my response to Stace.
> >
> > Byron
> >
> > On Jun 5, 2013, at 3:49 PM, Jamie Butler
> <<mailto:utopianqueen2000%40yahoo.com>utopianqueen2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Thank you for putting this out here stace. I honestly was too
> terrified to ask myself after judging in this year’s st masq. I was
> all set to be CC34’s historical masquerade director and after
> reading the emails and seeing how passionate everyone got about
> what a CC masquerade should be, I’ve questioned if I should all together.
> > >
> > > Jamie Butler
> > > President of Madison Area Costuming Society
> > > Member of the Guilde of St George

International Costumers’ Guild Archivist

http://www.costume.org/gallery2/main.php

“Those Who Fail to Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly –
Why They Are Simply Doomed.”

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C. Y. 4971

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Group: runacc Message: 2611 From: Jamie Butler Date: 6/6/2013
Subject: Re: Masquerades in general
Okay, you’ve all convinced me. Thank you though. I didn’t get all the emails for some reason so ill have to read through the responses to staces questions, but you all have made me feel much more confident about this. I won’t be able to shadow the Toronto masquerades because I have 1/2 finished costumes for them I’ve been planning for awhile now, but I would like to shadow the Charleston one. I meant to ask  you when I was at cc31, but then I started doubting my ability and held off. There are a few other icg run masquerades o can shadow inbetween now and cc34; but I was still wondering, if I still feel this way in a year or two, would anyone be willing to just be my background person, like an assistant while I’m freaking out about running my first masquerade?

I just am a new face to many of you, and i don’t want to be remembered as the girl who messed up the cc34 historical masquerade. I know that if I shadow and ask for help where it is needed that is very unlikely to happen, but I wouldnt mind having a friendly face there with me to remind me of things a director needs to do.

Jamie Butler
President of Madison Area Costuming Society
Member of the Guilde of St George

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Group: runacc Message: 2612 From: staceylee25 Date: 6/6/2013
Subject: Re: Masquerades in general

Thank you, Byron and Nora, your answers were the most helpful of all.

As I thought, logistically it isn’t any different from anything I’ve experienced. I even had already assumed that the tech was con-wide and as long as the concomm picked someone qualified to run the green rooms (like Byron~), that would not be for me to worry about.

I’m sure Jamie will appreciate the advice to help with historical – I won’t speak for her, though.

Anyone who has seen me blather ad nauseum on forums like cosplay.com about masquerade standards knows I’m a proponent of the ICG guidelines and adhere to them pretty closely. I’ve always judged under that system and assisted in the green room at cons that use something pretty close as well. So, judging standards, awards, and the belief in “merit deserves reward” are things I had already planned to have in place.

When I’m less burned-out, I’m also planning to ask Sheila if I can shadow her at an upcoming Archon.

Keep the opinions coming if you have them!

Stace

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Byron Connell <byronpconnell@…> wrote:
>
> The historical masquerade, on the other hand, is rather different. I’ve run three of them and am running the next one. First, it’s the only one. Regional SF cons and worldcons may permit historical entries in their SF masquerades; however, those entries usually don’t really fit the masquerade’s theme or purpose. At CCs, the historical is the historical is the historical., It differs not only in topic but also in the approach the entrants take. While there are some who believe “historical” ought to be pronounced “hysterical” (I am one of them), humor is rare in historical entries (but see “The Battle of the Bulge” at CC 17: http://www.costume-con.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=3636&g2_page=2), group entries are less often seen, and the typical entry is one entrant presenting one recreation of a period garment.
>
> In addition, the historical requires the entrants to prepare documentation in support of their entries and requires the judges to review and judge the documentation. In addition, every entrant is required to meet with the judges to review his or her workmanship, for mandatory judging (unlike the voluntary workmanship judging in an SF masquerade. This takes a huge amount of time for the judges, who usually are unable to do anything else on Sunday — and maybe Saturday, depending on how large the show becomes. The MD needs to manage the schedule to some extent and check periodically that the judging is reasonably on schedule (it often is not). As a result, the judges normally make awards in three independent categories: documentation, workmanship, and presentation on stage and it’s not unknown for the total of awards across the three categories to exceed the total of entries (even though some entries receive no awards).
>
> Unlike for SF masquerades, the MD’s information and rules also must address the requirements for documentation as well as other aspects of the competition. See my info for the CC 32 historical as one example (http://costumecon32.com/programming-2014/competitions-events/historical-masquerade/). The Costume-Con web site (http://www.costume-con.org/gallery2/main.php) includes other sets of rules.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2613 From: Jamie Butler Date: 6/6/2013
Subject: Re: Masquerades in general
Oh I definitely appreciate the advice. The more I read the responses everyone had posted, the more I feel better about running my own. Fear for me comes from the unknown, I get freaked out when I think I need to do something without knowing what to do. As 31 was my first costume con ever (even though I tried to make previous ones but failed due to lack of money), I went, had a great but exhausting time, met costume con “celebritires”, people who’s names and costumes I’ve come across online but have never met in person, and then cane home and freaked out about impressing these people. I don’t know how many times I casually chatted with someone at cc31, then walked away back to my friends to have them say, “Jamie, do you realize who you were talking to..?”. Not to mention I fan-girled all over Margo Anderson. And geeked out after I met Phil.

So yes, please keep the suggestions coming. I won’t get offended if you tell me how you do it, because I just want to do it right.

Jamie Butler
President of Madison Area Costuming Society
Member of the Guilde of St George

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Group: runacc Message: 2614 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/6/2013
Subject: Re: Masquerades in general

Jamie —

I’m glad you’re feeling better about this. You definitely need an assistant director to spread the detail work. In Toronto, for example, Sylvain St.Pierre is my Assistant MD; that was the job he had at Anticipation, too. You may also want a personal assistant/gopher to help you stay sane.

Even if you can’t shadow me during tech rehearsal, visits to the judges, and the masquerade itself in Toronto, you certainly will be welcome at the Historical’s registration desk and to talk with me about what I may be doing and why. Pierre and Sandy Pettinger are running the CC 33 Historcal. I;m sure that they will be happy to have you shadow them.

Look at my contestant info on the CC 32 web site and at other historical masquerade rules at the Costume-Con web site: http://www.costume-con.org/gallery2/main.php. (Not every CC has the rules posted; you’ll have to browse through them.)

Don’t forget to ask us questions and raise ideas. We all love helping.

Byron

On Jun 6, 2013, at 11:12 AM, Jamie Butler <utopianqueen2000@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Okay, you’ve all convinced me. Thank you though. I didn’t get all the emails for some reason so ill have to read through the responses to staces questions, but you all have made me feel much more confident about this. I won’t be able to shadow the Toronto masquerades because I have 1/2 finished costumes for them I’ve been planning for awhile now, but I would like to shadow the Charleston one. I meant to ask you when I was at cc31, but then I started doubting my ability and held off. There are a few other icg run masquerades o can shadow inbetween now and cc34; but I was still wondering, if I still feel this way in a year or two, would anyone be willing to just be my background person, like an assistant while I’m freaking out about running my first masquerade?
>
> I just am a new face to many of you, and i don’t want to be remembered as the girl who messed up the cc34 historical masquerade. I know that if I shadow and ask for help where it is needed that is very unlikely to happen, but I wouldnt mind having a friendly face there with me to remind me of things a director needs to do.
>
> Jamie Butler
> President of Madison Area Costuming Society
> Member of the Guilde of St George
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2615 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/6/2013
Subject: Re: Masquerades in general

One of our traditions is that costumers who usually enter in the master division help run masquerades when they’re not entering. I’ve more than once heard someone ask a novice, “Do you know who your den mom is?!”

Byron

On Jun 6, 2013, at 1:42 PM, “staceylee25” <staceylee25@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Thank you, Byron and Nora, your answers were the most helpful of all.
>
> As I thought, logistically it isn’t any different from anything I’ve experienced. I even had already assumed that the tech was con-wide and as long as the concomm picked someone qualified to run the green rooms (like Byron~), that would not be for me to worry about.
>
> I’m sure Jamie will appreciate the advice to help with historical – I won’t speak for her, though.
>
> Anyone who has seen me blather ad nauseum on forums like cosplay.com about masquerade standards knows I’m a proponent of the ICG guidelines and adhere to them pretty closely. I’ve always judged under that system and assisted in the green room at cons that use something pretty close as well. So, judging standards, awards, and the belief in “merit deserves reward” are things I had already planned to have in place.
>
> When I’m less burned-out, I’m also planning to ask Sheila if I can shadow her at an upcoming Archon.
>
> Keep the opinions coming if you have them!
>
> Stace
>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Byron Connell <byronpconnell@…> wrote:
> >
> > The historical masquerade, on the other hand, is rather different. I’ve run three of them and am running the next one. First, it’s the only one. Regional SF cons and worldcons may permit historical entries in their SF masquerades; however, those entries usually don’t really fit the masquerade’s theme or purpose. At CCs, the historical is the historical is the historical., It differs not only in topic but also in the approach the entrants take. While there are some who believe “historical” ought to be pronounced “hysterical” (I am one of them), humor is rare in historical entries (but see “The Battle of the Bulge” at CC 17: http://www.costume-con.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=3636&g2_page=2), group entries are less often seen, and the typical entry is one entrant presenting one recreation of a period garment.
> >
> > In addition, the historical requires the entrants to prepare documentation in support of their entries and requires the judges to review and judge the documentation. In addition, every entrant is required to meet with the judges to review his or her workmanship, for mandatory judging (unlike the voluntary workmanship judging in an SF masquerade. This takes a huge amount of time for the judges, who usually are unable to do anything else on Sunday — and maybe Saturday, depending on how large the show becomes. The MD needs to manage the schedule to some extent and check periodically that the judging is reasonably on schedule (it often is not). As a result, the judges normally make awards in three independent categories: documentation, workmanship, and presentation on stage and it’s not unknown for the total of awards across the three categories to exceed the total of entries (even though some entries receive no awards).
> >
> > Unlike for SF masquerades, the MD’s information and rules also must address the requirements for documentation as well as other aspects of the competition. See my info for the CC 32 historical as one example (http://costumecon32.com/programming-2014/competitions-events/historical-masquerade/). The Costume-Con web site (http://www.costume-con.org/gallery2/main.php) includes other sets of rules.
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2616 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/6/2013
Subject: Re: Masquerades in general
If you do feel panicked in a year or two, remember 2 things:first – it happens to all of us!second – just ask, and I know you will have plenty of volunteersmaybe even me.
Elainewho has a bad case of helium hand

Okay, you’ve all convinced me. Thank you though. I didn’t get all the emails for some reason so ill have to read through the responses to staces questions, but you all have made me feel much more confident about this. I won’t be able to shadow the Toronto masquerades because I have 1/2 finished costumes for them I’ve been planning for awhile now, but I would like to shadow the Charleston one. I meant to ask you when I was at cc31, but then I started doubting my ability and held off. There are a few other icg run masquerades o can shadow inbetween now and cc34; but I was still wondering, if I still feel this way in a year or two, would anyone be willing to just be my background person, like an assistant while I’m freaking out about running my first masquerade?

I just am a new face to many of you, and i don’t want to be remembered as the girl who messed up the cc34 historical masquerade. I know that if I shadow and ask for help where it is needed that is very unlikely to happen, but I wouldnt mind having a friendly face there with me to remind me of things a director needs to do.

Jamie Butler

President of Madison Area Costuming Society

Member of the Guilde of St George

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Group: runacc Message: 2617 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 6/8/2013
Subject: Re: Masquerades in general

At 07:15 PM 6/6/2013, you wrote:

>Jamie —
>
>I’m glad you’re feeling better about this. You definitely need an
>assistant director to spread the detail work. In Toronto, for
>example, Sylvain St.Pierre is my Assistant MD; that was the job he
>had at Anticipation, too. You may also want a personal
>assistant/gopher to help you stay sane.
>
>Even if you can’t shadow me during tech rehearsal, visits to the
>judges, and the masquerade itself in Toronto, you certainly will be
>welcome at the Historical’s registration desk and to talk with me
>about what I may be doing and why. Pierre and Sandy Pettinger are
>running the CC 33 Historcal. I;m sure that they will be happy to
>have you shadow them.

You’d be very welcome.

Pierre and Sandy

>Look at my contestant info on the CC 32 web site and at other
>historical masquerade rules at the Costume-Con web site:
>http://www.costume-con.org/gallery2/main.php. (Not every CC has the
>rules posted; you’ll have to browse through them.)
>
>Don’t forget to ask us questions and raise ideas. We all love helping.
>
>Byron
>
>On Jun 6, 2013, at 11:12 AM, Jamie Butler <utopianqueen2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Okay, you’ve all convinced me. Thank you though. I didn’t get all
> the emails for some reason so ill have to read through the
> responses to staces questions, but you all have made me feel much
> more confident about this. I won’t be able to shadow the Toronto
> masquerades because I have 1/2 finished costumes for them I’ve been
> planning for awhile now, but I would like to shadow the Charleston
> one. I meant to ask you when I was at cc31, but then I started
> doubting my ability and held off. There are a few other icg run
> masquerades o can shadow inbetween now and cc34; but I was still
> wondering, if I still feel this way in a year or two, would anyone
> be willing to just be my background person, like an assistant while
> I’m freaking out about running my first masquerade?
> >
> > I just am a new face to many of you, and i don’t want to be
> remembered as the girl who messed up the cc34 historical
> masquerade. I know that if I shadow and ask for help where it is
> needed that is very unlikely to happen, but I wouldnt mind having a
> friendly face there with me to remind me of things a director needs to do.
> >
> > Jamie Butler
> > President of Madison Area Costuming Society
> > Member of the Guilde of St George

International Costumers’ Guild Archivist

http://www.costume.org/gallery2/main.php

“Those Who Fail to Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly –
Why They Are Simply Doomed.”

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C. Y. 4971

Andromeda

 

Group: runacc Message: 2618 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/10/2013
Subject: Re: Masquerades in general

On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 12:36 PM, staceylee25 <staceylee25@yahoo.com> wrote:

> But given the foibles seen at CC31, which I’m also not going to review
> just now, there has been a lot of talk of “but CC is different!”

Well… (late to the party)

Costume-Con is different, because the masquerades are the focus of the
convention, not just something that happens at them.

As MD at a Costume-Con, you should get the better support from the con
chair and committee than any other convention could be bothered to give
you. You should have Program (or scheduling) giving you priority for
competition-related space and time slots. You should get better volunteers
helping you run your masquerade, because that’s what the people who aren’t
there to enter are likely there for. You should have a great pool of people
to choose great judges from. You should have amazingly prepared entrants
ready to wow the audience.

They’re all “shoulds” but they’re usually true. I ran a great F&SF at CC21,
but that’s only because I had a great crew, wonderful judges, an amazing
slate of entrants, a killer hotel negotiator fixing problems at the last
minute and an assistant director who made me look very good.

I’m not saying that there aren’t other great conventions with traditions of
supporting costuming and costume competition, because there are. But at no
other convention will you find a membership with the depth and breadth of
experience in supporting and running good shows.

andy

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Group: runacc Message: 2619 From: Rebecca Date: 6/19/2013
Subject: Needing help
Hi everyone,

I would like some information. I’ve got Marg from CC30 and Henry from CC29 and Dawn from CC32 sending me info that they have but I would appreciate a little more help with numbers. My financial support group needs me to prepare a “business proposal” that contains a budget, income/outcome expectations and hotel room night pickup figures. I’ve got an example from the local con on their budget but I would like to hear from CC31 what their room pickups were and CC28 so I can have 5 years of figures to pull from. Thank you for your help.

Also, there was someone who had a base contract for hotels. Would they mind forwarding it to me at Rebecca8175atgmaildotcom?

 

Group: runacc Message: 2620 From: Bruce Date: 6/23/2013
Subject: “Costume-Con is different”
I was going to just come in and say something about coming late to the
discussion in answer to Stace’s question, but the more I read, the more
I figured that what I’m going to say here is not actually quite the same
thing. So this is more an adjunct topic to answer something that
hasn’t quite been asked yet.

Some of us (in the SLCG and others) have, on a number of occasions,
harped about some concoms having staffers who utter the infamous “At X
Con we…..”, and which often (not always) leads to repetitions of
mistakes that could have been avoid had some people had a better
understanding of the CC community So, I got to thinking about how CC
is different from a generral SF con, and so far, I came up with three
thoughts.

Costume-Con is a small con with a big-con feel. Part of that is due to
the fact that it’s a single interest conference – there’s
not a gaming sub-group, a video room, no anime sub-group, etc. It
draws people who are focused on learning their craft and exchanging
ideas with their peers. There’s a high amount of dedication
involved with having to travel to a different city for a CC. And
since CC has the cache of “International venue” status, it
tends to (for better or worse) filter out the people who aren’t
serious about their craft. If you think about it, there really
aren’t a lot of “casual” attendees.

Costume-Con’s community is sort of like a medium-sized town.
It’s small enough that everyone sort of recognizes each other, and
Nora sez there’s a diner (or bar like Cheers) where all the regulars
congregate. The town has an active tourist bureau, and some people
come to like it so much that they decide to stay.

Possibly the single biggest difference between CC and a general SF con
is there is an expectation of competency in the staff. As someone
mentioned earlier in the discussion, the depth of experience at this con
is like nowhere else. A lot of the attendees work or run their own
conventions and/or masquerades in some capacity. Not to mention, these
people have been coming to CC for years – so they’re more aware than
others about which CCs were good and which could have been better. The
same applies to programming.

So, not surprisingly, if there are organizational problems that could
have been avoided, people are going to notice. And talk about it.
That doesn’t mean that mistakes shouldn’t and won’t happen –
but it seems like some mistakes are unnecessarily repeated, despite the
availability of resources like the Runacc list.

I would urge future CC committees to discuss the above with the folks
they bring in who have never been to a CC.

Bruce

P.S. The SCCG review just wrapped up. I’ll have it out on this list
in the next few days, hopefully.

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Group: runacc Message: 2621 From: Tina Connell Date: 6/24/2013
Subject: Re: “Costume-Con is different”
A tiny note to add to this: the Yahoo Group archive will let newer
subscribers go back and look at comments from several previous CCs, as to
what was felt about both mistakes and things that went right. It may take a
bit of digging, but even if committees just make up a checklist of “this
worked and that didn’t” it could put them ahead of the game.

For that matter, at some point it could be useful to compile something
like that and publish it, not in the snotty sense of “this is what we say
you should be doing” but rather “this has worked well in the past, that
didn’t, and we’re trying to help you avoid some of the pitfalls.” It would
take some digging, but would be a worthwhile project. It could even
become a tool for those who are considering making a CC bid, so they’d know
what they’re getting into.

Tina

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Group: runacc Message: 2622 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 6/24/2013
Subject: Re: “Costume-Con is different”

What Bruce says is generally true. I would add that there is a reason why
the “Con” in Costume-Con stands for Conference, not Convention. If you read
the ConStitution (and I encourage EVERYONE on this list to do so), you’ll
see that distinction right there.

While the city might change from year to year, the ConStitution was
designed to provide a basic structure under which each CC operates.

A very VERY long time ago, there was a point where I was working on a How
To document that outlined all the steps which went into creating CC16, but
I can’t find the files now – odds are excellent that I archived them when I
archived the rest of my CC.org files, so they’re on a CD somewhere in the
house and not on my hard disk anymore. I think my logic dictated that with
changes in costs over time, detailing the specifics like budget numbers
would require more maintenance than I could provide.

For whatever reason, the files are not in this group and I think they
should be. I will make an effort to figure out what I did with them and
will upload them to the group area.

I’m preparing for a house move (sigh, yes, again) and in the midst of a
fairly ugly work-related policy discussion, so don’t have enough spoons to
devote right now to this conversation, but I encourage everyone on this
list to take full advantage of its existence and hash this out.

The very good thing about Yahoo Groups, for as long as it lasts, is that it
provides an archive of discussion items. I could suggest using the CCXV
budget as a starting point for all the various aspects of running a CC, as
its layout includes not just the numbers but what we spent our money on. It
isn’t exhaustive, but its pretty close to.

More when I have a chance…

Betsy

On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Bruce <casamai@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>
> I was going to just come in and say something about coming late to the
> discussion in answer to Stace’s question, but the more I read, the more
> I figured that what I’m going to say here is not actually quite the same
> thing. So this is more an adjunct topic to answer something that
> hasn’t quite been asked yet.
>
> Some of us (in the SLCG and others) have, on a number of occasions,
> harped about some concoms having staffers who utter the infamous “At X
> Con we…..”, and which often (not always) leads to repetitions of
> mistakes that could have been avoid had some people had a better
> understanding of the CC community So, I got to thinking about how CC
> is different from a generral SF con, and so far, I came up with three
> thoughts.
>
> Costume-Con is a small con with a big-con feel. Part of that is due to
> the fact that it’s a single interest conference � there’s
> not a gaming sub-group, a video room, no anime sub-group, etc. It
> draws people who are focused on learning their craft and exchanging
> ideas with their peers. There’s a high amount of dedication
> involved with having to travel to a different city for a CC. And
> since CC has the cache of “International venue” status, it
> tends to (for better or worse) filter out the people who aren’t
> serious about their craft. If you think about it, there really
> aren’t a lot of “casual” attendees.
>
> Costume-Con’s community is sort of like a medium-sized town.
> It’s small enough that everyone sort of recognizes each other, and
> Nora sez there’s a diner (or bar like Cheers) where all the regulars
> congregate. The town has an active tourist bureau, and some people
> come to like it so much that they decide to stay.
>
> Possibly the single biggest difference between CC and a general SF con
> is there is an expectation of competency in the staff. As someone
> mentioned earlier in the discussion, the depth of experience at this con
> is like nowhere else. A lot of the attendees work or run their own
> conventions and/or masquerades in some capacity. Not to mention, these
> people have been coming to CC for years – so they’re more aware than
> others about which CCs were good and which could have been better. The
> same applies to programming.
>
> So, not surprisingly, if there are organizational problems that could
> have been avoided, people are going to notice. And talk about it.
> That doesn’t mean that mistakes shouldn’t and won’t happen �
> but it seems like some mistakes are unnecessarily repeated, despite the
> availability of resources like the Runacc list.
>
> I would urge future CC committees to discuss the above with the folks
> they bring in who have never been to a CC.
>
> Bruce
>
> P.S. The SCCG review just wrapped up. I’ll have it out on this list
> in the next few days, hopefully.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo!
> Groups Links
>
>
>
>




Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

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Group: runacc Message: 2623 From: Kevin Roche Date: 6/24/2013
Subject: Re: “Costume-Con is different”

I know you include a number of sample files on the Constitution page
http://costume-con.org/constitution.shtml

On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 5:38 AM, Betsy Marks Delaney
<aramintamd@gmail.com>wrote:

> What Bruce says is generally true. I would add that there is a reason why
> the “Con” in Costume-Con stands for Conference, not Convention. If you read
> the ConStitution (and I encourage EVERYONE on this list to do so), you’ll
> see that distinction right there.
>
> While the city might change from year to year, the ConStitution was
> designed to provide a basic structure under which each CC operates.
>
> A very VERY long time ago, there was a point where I was working on a How
> To document that outlined all the steps which went into creating CC16, but
> I can’t find the files now – odds are excellent that I archived them when I
> archived the rest of my CC.org files, so they’re on a CD somewhere in the
> house and not on my hard disk anymore. I think my logic dictated that with
> changes in costs over time, detailing the specifics like budget numbers
> would require more maintenance than I could provide.
>
> For whatever reason, the files are not in this group and I think they
> should be. I will make an effort to figure out what I did with them and
> will upload them to the group area.
>
> I’m preparing for a house move (sigh, yes, again) and in the midst of a
> fairly ugly work-related policy discussion, so don’t have enough spoons to
> devote right now to this conversation, but I encourage everyone on this
> list to take full advantage of its existence and hash this out.
>
> The very good thing about Yahoo Groups, for as long as it lasts, is that it
> provides an archive of discussion items. I could suggest using the CCXV
> budget as a starting point for all the various aspects of running a CC, as
> its layout includes not just the numbers but what we spent our money on. It
> isn’t exhaustive, but its pretty close to.
>
> More when I have a chance…
>
> Betsy
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Bruce <casamai@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > I was going to just come in and say something about coming late to the
> > discussion in answer to Stace’s question, but the more I read, the more
> > I figured that what I’m going to say here is not actually quite the same
> > thing. So this is more an adjunct topic to answer something that
> > hasn’t quite been asked yet.
> >
> > Some of us (in the SLCG and others) have, on a number of occasions,
> > harped about some concoms having staffers who utter the infamous “At X
> > Con we…..”, and which often (not always) leads to repetitions of
> > mistakes that could have been avoid had some people had a better
> > understanding of the CC community So, I got to thinking about how CC
> > is different from a generral SF con, and so far, I came up with three
> > thoughts.
> >
> > Costume-Con is a small con with a big-con feel. Part of that is due to
> > the fact that it’s a single interest conference � there’s
> > not a gaming sub-group, a video room, no anime sub-group, etc. It
> > draws people who are focused on learning their craft and exchanging
> > ideas with their peers. There’s a high amount of dedication
> > involved with having to travel to a different city for a CC. And
> > since CC has the cache of “International venue” status, it
> > tends to (for better or worse) filter out the people who aren’t
> > serious about their craft. If you think about it, there really
> > aren’t a lot of “casual” attendees.
> >
> > Costume-Con’s community is sort of like a medium-sized town.
> > It’s small enough that everyone sort of recognizes each other, and
> > Nora sez there’s a diner (or bar like Cheers) where all the regulars
> > congregate. The town has an active tourist bureau, and some people
> > come to like it so much that they decide to stay.
> >
> > Possibly the single biggest difference between CC and a general SF con
> > is there is an expectation of competency in the staff. As someone
> > mentioned earlier in the discussion, the depth of experience at this con
> > is like nowhere else. A lot of the attendees work or run their own
> > conventions and/or masquerades in some capacity. Not to mention, these
> > people have been coming to CC for years – so they’re more aware than
> > others about which CCs were good and which could have been better. The
> > same applies to programming.
> >
> > So, not surprisingly, if there are organizational problems that could
> > have been avoided, people are going to notice. And talk about it.
> > That doesn’t mean that mistakes shouldn’t and won’t happen �
> > but it seems like some mistakes are unnecessarily repeated, despite the
> > availability of resources like the Runacc list.
> >
> > I would urge future CC committees to discuss the above with the folks
> > they bring in who have never been to a CC.
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> > P.S. The SCCG review just wrapped up. I’ll have it out on this list
> > in the next few days, hopefully.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ————————————
> >
> > View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo!
> > Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> —
> —
> —
> Betsy Marks Delaney
>
> http://www.hawkeswood.com/
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo!
> Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2624 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/24/2013
Subject: Re: “Costume-Con is different”
Actually, Tina, NOTHING really prepares you!

Elaine

CC 30’s Recliner

A tiny note to add to this: the Yahoo Group archive will let newer
subscribers go back and look at comments from several previous CCs, as to
what was felt about both mistakes and things that went right. It may take a
bit of digging, but even if committees just make up a checklist of “this
worked and that didn’t” it could put them ahead of the game.

For that matter, at some point it could be useful to compile something
like that and publish it, not in the snotty sense of “this is what we say
you should be doing” but rather “this has worked well in the past, that
didn’t, and we’re trying to help you avoid some of the pitfalls.” It would
take some digging, but would be a worthwhile project. It could even
become a tool for those who are considering making a CC bid, so they’d know
what they’re getting into.

Tina

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 2625 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/24/2013
Subject: Re: “Costume-Con is different” – CC16 notes

Ah. Well, that answers that question. I’d wondered what happened to
those notes. Hopefully, you’ll find them. We probably still have them,
too, but Lord knows where. A lot of the notes are still relevant, even 15
years later.

Bruce

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Betsy Marks Delaney
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 7:39 AM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: Re: [runacc] “Costume-Con is different”

What Bruce says is generally true. I would add that there is a reason why
the “Con” in Costume-Con stands for Conference, not Convention. If you read
the ConStitution (and I encourage EVERYONE on this list to do so), you’ll
see that distinction right there.

While the city might change from year to year, the ConStitution was
designed to provide a basic structure under which each CC operates.

A very VERY long time ago, there was a point where I was working on a How
To document that outlined all the steps which went into creating CC16, but
I can’t find the files now – odds are excellent that I archived them when I
archived the rest of my CC.org files, so they’re on a CD somewhere in the
house and not on my hard disk anymore. I think my logic dictated that with
changes in costs over time, detailing the specifics like budget numbers
would require more maintenance than I could provide.

For whatever reason, the files are not in this group and I think they
should be. I will make an effort to figure out what I did with them and
will upload them to the group area.

I’m preparing for a house move (sigh, yes, again) and in the midst of a
fairly ugly work-related policy discussion, so don’t have enough spoons to
devote right now to this conversation, but I encourage everyone on this
list to take full advantage of its existence and hash this out.

The very good thing about Yahoo Groups, for as long as it lasts, is that it
provides an archive of discussion items. I could suggest using the CCXV
budget as a starting point for all the various aspects of running a CC, as
its layout includes not just the numbers but what we spent our money on. It
isn’t exhaustive, but its pretty close to.

More when I have a chance…

Betsy

On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Bruce <casamai@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>
> I was going to just come in and say something about coming late to the
> discussion in answer to Stace’s question, but the more I read, the more
> I figured that what I’m going to say here is not actually quite the same
> thing. So this is more an adjunct topic to answer something that
> hasn’t quite been asked yet.
>
> Some of us (in the SLCG and others) have, on a number of occasions,
> harped about some concoms having staffers who utter the infamous “At X
> Con we…..”, and which often (not always) leads to repetitions of
> mistakes that could have been avoid had some people had a better
> understanding of the CC community So, I got to thinking about how CC
> is different from a generral SF con, and so far, I came up with three
> thoughts.
>
> Costume-Con is a small con with a big-con feel. Part of that is due to
> the fact that it’s a single interest conference – there’s
> not a gaming sub-group, a video room, no anime sub-group, etc. It
> draws people who are focused on learning their craft and exchanging
> ideas with their peers. There’s a high amount of dedication
> involved with having to travel to a different city for a CC. And
> since CC has the cache of “International venue” status, it
> tends to (for better or worse) filter out the people who aren’t
> serious about their craft. If you think about it, there really
> aren’t a lot of “casual” attendees.
>
> Costume-Con’s community is sort of like a medium-sized town.
> It’s small enough that everyone sort of recognizes each other, and
> Nora sez there’s a diner (or bar like Cheers) where all the regulars
> congregate. The town has an active tourist bureau, and some people
> come to like it so much that they decide to stay.
>
> Possibly the single biggest difference between CC and a general SF con
> is there is an expectation of competency in the staff. As someone
> mentioned earlier in the discussion, the depth of experience at this con
> is like nowhere else. A lot of the attendees work or run their own
> conventions and/or masquerades in some capacity. Not to mention, these
> people have been coming to CC for years – so they’re more aware than
> others about which CCs were good and which could have been better. The
> same applies to programming.
>
> So, not surprisingly, if there are organizational problems that could
> have been avoided, people are going to notice. And talk about it.
> That doesn’t mean that mistakes shouldn’t and won’t happen –
> but it seems like some mistakes are unnecessarily repeated, despite the
> availability of resources like the Runacc list.
>
> I would urge future CC committees to discuss the above with the folks
> they bring in who have never been to a CC.
>
> Bruce
>
> P.S. The SCCG review just wrapped up. I’ll have it out on this list
> in the next few days, hopefully.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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>
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> Groups Links
>
>
>
>




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Group: runacc Message: 2626 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 6/24/2013
Subject: Re: “Costume-Con is different” – CC16 notes

I agree, based on the questions (and answers). I will give it a shot to
find them before I leave for Pennsic, but it may take some doing. OTOH, if
it waits till after I move…

Betsy

On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Nora & Bruce Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> Ah. Well, that answers that question. I’d wondered what happened to
> those notes. Hopefully, you’ll find them. We probably still have them,
> too, but Lord knows where. A lot of the notes are still relevant, even 15
> years later.
>
> Bruce
>
> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Betsy Marks Delaney
> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 7:39 AM
> To: List, Run a CC
> Subject: Re: [runacc] “Costume-Con is different”
>
> What Bruce says is generally true. I would add that there is a reason why
> the “Con” in Costume-Con stands for Conference, not Convention. If you read
> the ConStitution (and I encourage EVERYONE on this list to do so), you’ll
> see that distinction right there.
>
> While the city might change from year to year, the ConStitution was
> designed to provide a basic structure under which each CC operates.
>
> A very VERY long time ago, there was a point where I was working on a How
> To document that outlined all the steps which went into creating CC16, but
> I can’t find the files now – odds are excellent that I archived them when I
> archived the rest of my CC.org files, so they’re on a CD somewhere in the
> house and not on my hard disk anymore. I think my logic dictated that with
> changes in costs over time, detailing the specifics like budget numbers
> would require more maintenance than I could provide.
>
> For whatever reason, the files are not in this group and I think they
> should be. I will make an effort to figure out what I did with them and
> will upload them to the group area.
>
> I’m preparing for a house move (sigh, yes, again) and in the midst of a
> fairly ugly work-related policy discussion, so don’t have enough spoons to
> devote right now to this conversation, but I encourage everyone on this
> list to take full advantage of its existence and hash this out.
>
> The very good thing about Yahoo Groups, for as long as it lasts, is that it
> provides an archive of discussion items. I could suggest using the CCXV
> budget as a starting point for all the various aspects of running a CC, as
> its layout includes not just the numbers but what we spent our money on. It
> isn’t exhaustive, but its pretty close to.
>
> More when I have a chance…
>
> Betsy
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Bruce <casamai@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > I was going to just come in and say something about coming late to the
> > discussion in answer to Stace’s question, but the more I read, the more
> > I figured that what I’m going to say here is not actually quite the same
> > thing. So this is more an adjunct topic to answer something that
> > hasn’t quite been asked yet.
> >
> > Some of us (in the SLCG and others) have, on a number of occasions,
> > harped about some concoms having staffers who utter the infamous “At X
> > Con we…..”, and which often (not always) leads to repetitions of
> > mistakes that could have been avoid had some people had a better
> > understanding of the CC community So, I got to thinking about how CC
> > is different from a generral SF con, and so far, I came up with three
> > thoughts.
> >
> > Costume-Con is a small con with a big-con feel. Part of that is due to
> > the fact that it’s a single interest conference – there’s
> > not a gaming sub-group, a video room, no anime sub-group, etc. It
> > draws people who are focused on learning their craft and exchanging
> > ideas with their peers. There’s a high amount of dedication
> > involved with having to travel to a different city for a CC. And
> > since CC has the cache of “International venue” status, it
> > tends to (for better or worse) filter out the people who aren’t
> > serious about their craft. If you think about it, there really
> > aren’t a lot of “casual” attendees.
> >
> > Costume-Con’s community is sort of like a medium-sized town.
> > It’s small enough that everyone sort of recognizes each other, and
> > Nora sez there’s a diner (or bar like Cheers) where all the regulars
> > congregate. The town has an active tourist bureau, and some people
> > come to like it so much that they decide to stay.
> >
> > Possibly the single biggest difference between CC and a general SF con
> > is there is an expectation of competency in the staff. As someone
> > mentioned earlier in the discussion, the depth of experience at this con
> > is like nowhere else. A lot of the attendees work or run their own
> > conventions and/or masquerades in some capacity. Not to mention, these
> > people have been coming to CC for years – so they’re more aware than
> > others about which CCs were good and which could have been better. The
> > same applies to programming.
> >
> > So, not surprisingly, if there are organizational problems that could
> > have been avoided, people are going to notice. And talk about it.
> > That doesn’t mean that mistakes shouldn’t and won’t happen –
> > but it seems like some mistakes are unnecessarily repeated, despite the
> > availability of resources like the Runacc list.
> >
> > I would urge future CC committees to discuss the above with the folks
> > they bring in who have never been to a CC.
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> > P.S. The SCCG review just wrapped up. I’ll have it out on this list
> > in the next few days, hopefully.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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> >
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Group: runacc Message: 2627 From: Bruce Date: 6/29/2013
Subject: CC31 Review – opening remarks and before the con
Okay, as promised, here’s the SLCG review of CC31.

I’m handling this one a little differently this time, for 2 reasons.
First, 2 of the 3 standing CC committee heads are members of the SLCG
and already have seen the full-length version with everyone’s
comments back and forth. Second, this review is somewhat edited for
content about what future committees can have control over, and not what
they won’t. That means there won’t, for the most part, be any
airing of individual complaints unless there was a trend noticed by
everyone who attended. (By the way, this year’s review was compiled
from comments by at least 8 members)

Before the con

The Folio:

While the Folio came out in a reasonable amount of time before the
convention, there appeared to be an unnecessarily long gap between the
submission deadline and when they were mailed out. Word is this had
something to do with the Folio Director trying to corral the judges into
one place to get the work done. And then, there was a problem with
production, where the Con Chair wound up doing the layout.

Recommendation: The Folio Director needs to be reliable – so do the
judges, so get assurances of availability from them. It might be
better if they’re all local – having them spread out may become
a problem.

Regular participants in the Folio said the Folio was….uninspiring.
The designs were very wearable – not so much “costumey”.
Unfortunately, that also meant they weren’t very interesting to look
at. The fact that the designs were organized by creator’s names
also made the Folio less interesting to browse (although, it certainly
made it easier to find someone). At least there were a lot of new
designers this year, rather than just the same people.

Recommendation: Come up with more categories that inspire people.
Sometimes a theme in a Folio can be a good thing, but it can also
backfire, because then designers feel restricted. Maybe promote the
idea of sponsored categories (although this can get out of hand, so you
have to watch it)

Communication: We were a bit put off by some staffers using secure
email accounts associated with the addresses off the convention website.
This meant that when you sent them a message, you got a
“CAPTCHA” response where you had to type a code in to permit
your email to reach them. If these staffers were concerned about
their private email, they should have set up another account just for CC
matters. There were one or two people on staff who were not very
prompt in answering their emails, but otherwise, the convention gets
points for communication regarding the Progress Reports. We liked that
there were were 4 PRs, but the last one that came out the week of the
convention, when some people were already en route.

Recommendation: Make sure that major staff positions have email
addresses where they can easily be reached.

Some information channels were neglected – there was barely any
activity on the CC Yahoo list, nor was there much in the way of
participation on the Cosplay.com forum. These were missed opportunities
for promotion and information dissemination.

Recommendation: If you want to have maximum exposure, you should have
someone whose major responsibility is Communications. DO NOT make it
an additional duty for someone who already has an important job, because
communications will not be given as much priority – it’s just
human nature. Make sure all the info put out gets to all the various
forums (CC, ICG-D, Cosplay.com, F-Costume, etc.) – not just Facebook.
Maybe even change the content from one forum to another – swap stuff
around – make it more interesting to people who read more than one
of the above.

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Group: runacc Message: 2628 From: Bruce Date: 6/29/2013
Subject: CC31 Review – The Hotel and Registration
The Hotel:

First things first – free parking. Thank you.

Opinions about the hotel were all over the map, including some rooms
having problems, location to food, etc. The main complaint was about
the hotel staff, described as “bi-polar” – some were fine,
but some were just ridiculous. The bar/restaurant in the lobby was
incredibly slow. But we appreciated the relatively reasonably priced
breakfast buffet each day.

Recommendation: Knowing you have to pay more money beyond the hotel
room (and hotel food, possibly) can really stick in one’s craw. So
if there’s going to be a cost each day for parking, make sure people
know about it way ahead of time so they can budget for it. When we
wrote up our experiences from CC16, one thing we recommendeded was
choosing a hotel in a business district – we think it’s still
good advice. People are less likely to appreciate “atmosphere”
when it drags on their pocketbook. And we’ve never been fans of
hotels in a downtown district for that reason. Having a hotel with
nearby restaurants is an important consideration. People shouldn’t
have to travel too far afield to find a meal beyond fast food.

And can we please have a hotel that has a pool and hot tub that works
and is open?

Registration:

Good marks for being able to at least hand out some membership stuff on
Thursday, and having a goodie bag with useful stuff was a welcome change
from past years. The registration people, which was at least mostly
staff by locals, were efficient and friendly. The only major complaints
we had was about the printing of the membership badges – they were
not legible. The print was too small and the background was too dark.

We liked the “Pocket Program”, which consisted of three stapled
sheets. Someone gave this some thought – it had the dealers room
hours, the Con Suite Hours and a map of the hotel. The only thing we
would have liked to have seen added was the sponsorships for the Con
Suite.

Recommendations: Make sure your membership badges are readable, with
large print and a light background. Having a membership packet with
free stuff gives the con-goer a feeling of value. Work with local
businesses to include coupons, etc.

There was a suggestion that maybe there should be an CC information
table next to Registration, manned by a CC Veteran.

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Group: runacc Message: 2629 From: Bruce Date: 6/29/2013
Subject: CC31 Review – Programming, Exhibits, Dealers Room & the Con Suite
Programming

The 9:30 start for programming each day was a little later than
we’re used to, but honestly, that did give us a little more time to
eat, get in costume & prepare for panels. The 90 minute time slots
worked and gave people more time to do a panel and discuss stuff. Not
everyone used all of that time, which was good.

Six tracks (4 plus the Green Room & Main Ballroom) appeared to be
sufficient for all the panels. Our perception was there was a better
selection of subjects that were actually worth trying to see – stuff
that you don’t see often (moulage & lattice smocking for instance).
Almost all of them were well attended, including the GOH. Byron
expressed that there was not enough for non-costumers like him to do,
which brings up a valid point that not everyone in our community makes
costumes, so program directors should keep this in mind. There were
the usual complaints that people were forced to decide between panels
that were scheduled opposite each other.

Recommendation: Consider using the 90 minute panel slot format.
We’ve heard complaints in the past that there not enough “hands
on” classes at previous CCs, but there should be a balance of
workshops, panels and lectures so that CC is enjoyable for everyone.
The panels that do appeal to non-costumers should include handouts and
other visual aids so that it’s not just a “talking head” lecture.
Younger people have less tolerance for that.

It’s been suggested before that maybe there should be some repeated
panels for those who missed a program earlier in the weekend.
Something to consider.

There needs to be one – possibly two – “My First
Costume-Con” panels – on Friday and Saturday, at every CC for all
the newbies who arrive each day. Nora and I would be willing to run
these.

Exhibits/Dolls

A good display of local costumes, plenty of room and plenty of room to
look at them. Having the dolls in the exhibits room was a good idea,
because it drove traffic to the display and security could keep an eye
on both.

Dealers Room

It had some interesting stuff, but there were also disappointments. No
book dealer? Word is Janet was supposed to be there. The Patterns
of Time table was not nearly as well stocked as would have been thought,
since Denver is their home base. There should have been many, many
more patterns for sale. The one trim dealer was reasonably priced.
From what we can tell, the dealers all seemed to be doing well.

Con Suite
The Con Suite got pretty good marks for keeping things stocked with the
basics like sodas, a few chips. We were spoiled by CC30’s Con
Suite where we just paid money and they took care of it. It was nice
to see several groups sponsoring food events. We were a little put off
by some of the restrictions by the Con Suite person – 2 hour slots,
you have to do all the work, no cooking in the room, no refrigerator,
etc.

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Group: runacc Message: 2630 From: Bruce Date: 6/29/2013
Subject: CC31 Review – Friday Night Social and Single Pattern Show
It went relatively well and, generally, everyone liked the more informal
format. That’s about all we can say about it. We did wonder
about why the Green Room was used as the venue for the FNS, and the
ballroom for the masquerades was used as the “Green Room”.
Byron’s comments regarding particulars of the room pretty much
covered everything else.. The food for the event was pretty good,
however, there was a potential for disaster with the spicy glazed
chicken wings. Having the food on the opposite end of the room from
the entry point was a good idea, so that there was no choke point.
This was probably just a practical matter, since the kitchen was located
on that side of the room.

The MC for all the shows got good marks for being respectful, being easy
to work with and he tried to learn about our community so he could make
remarks and jokes later.

Recommendation: Having the food on the opposite end of the room from
the entry point was a good idea, so that there was no choke point at the
entrance. Think carefully about any foods served where stuff could
easily drip on a costume.

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Group: runacc Message: 2631 From: Bruce Date: 6/29/2013
Subject: CC31 Review – F & SF Masquerade
As you are aware, this came in for the most criticism. Much discussion
has occurred elsewhere, so we’re not going to dwell on certain
aspects regarding the awards. Suffice to say, you knew there was a
problem when you had people you barely knew come up and ask your opinion
about whether there were enough awards given out.

The Green Room had a number of problems. Much of it had to do with
organization. There were issues with check in, not having den tables
set up in time, the Green Room Manager’s demeanor, the lack of
clearly identifying who the GRM & Den Moms were, and not ushering
entrants to Official Photography and Workmanship Judging.

The LED stage lights were very harsh, judging by the masquerade videos.
They were either too close or not diffuse enough.

Recommendations: The MD should tell people when to arrive in the Green
Room when they register, not just rely on them to read their paperwork.
If you’re making use of a local person for Green Room, make sure
your GRM has good people skills. Make sure the den moms know they need
to stay near their assigned table. Even if there is only going to be
water backstage, make sure there are straws for people with masks.

Even if the Green Room is just a ways down the hall, have seating
available for people waiting in awkward costumes is a good idea.
Backstage crews should have flashlights to help light people’s way
as they come off stage.

There should be separate panels of judges for Presentation and
Workmanship. You know the reasons why.

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Group: runacc Message: 2632 From: Bruce Date: 6/29/2013
Subject: CC31 Review – Future Fashion Show
Future Fashion Show

We were glad to see the Director allowed for more than one person to
make up a design, which was good – you’re more likely to get
people to participate that way. The one drawback to the show observed
was not having those same designs come out at the same time – that
way, the audience can compare how the same design was interpreted. The
judges seemed competent, and they were different than the usual people
who might get tapped to judge, so that was good – we can use new
blood.

Recommendation: Keep allowing more than one person to make up designs.

Historical Masquerade:

Generally, it was well run, with a few annoying slips. The MD
didn’t have enough entry forms available for sign up at the con.
Like the SF masq director, entrants weren’t verbally told what time
to show up for the Green Room. Also, the MD allowed a few last-minute
walk in registrations after the supposed “deadline time”, much
to the frustration of the judges who had already begun deliberations.
Finally, the MD held up the awards being handed out because they wanted
to print the certificates with the names of the winners, rather than
just having them written by hand. (At least, there was no shortage of
awards for this show) Other than that, the MD was pleasant to work
with and attentive.

The same Green Room problems occurred for this masquerade, although not
quite as pronounced.

Recommendation: Don’t allow people to sign up after your
registration deadline – it sets a bad precedent. If someone can’t
get themselves organized to get registered on time, they should suffer
the consequences.

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Group: runacc Message: 2633 From: Bruce Date: 6/29/2013
Subject: CC31 Review – Random Notes Wrap Up
The Official Photographer:

We liked him. He was creative, making suggestions for poses, and had
fun doing his job. His quality of work was good and prices were
reasonable. He also made an effort to take some photos of other
activities during the con. Not all official photographers get around to
this.

Recommendation: We need to find more people like this guy. There’s a
possibility he might be interested in coming to more CCs (depending on
location – Madison?)

There was very little “At MileHighCon, we….”, which was
refreshing to NOT hear from the con staff)

Guests of Honor:

There was some concern expressed about the trend of having a Guest of
Honor. Some of our people askied about how much compensation there
was/has been. They wondered about how things might appear if peers are
getting some of their expenses paid when everyone else is paying their
memberships. That doesn’t mean there shouldn’t be programming
featuring someone in our community – the service mark holder (Karen)
expressed disappointment that there were no retrospectives. Given the
number of talented people in our community, we could, theoretically,
have at least one every year. (And while I hesitate to mention this,
there could come a time when the Archives could aid in providing
material when necessary.

Speaking of the Archives, it was nice to hear people applauding for
those in this year’s video memoriam (even when they clearly
didn’t know who the featured costumers were). The audience also
enjoyed the video recognizing CC veterans (and the veterans got a kick
out of being recognized). With more material being brought to CCs (and
online), people are starting to become more aware of each other in our
community, and that’s a good thing.

Overall, Mike gets a thumbs up for running a pretty good non-coastal CC.
We gave CC31 a B to B+.

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Group: runacc Message: 2634 From: jbdashoff@aol.com Date: 4/17/2014
Subject: News

 

 

Hi! News: http://abascalabogados.com/zzo/view.php

               

 

jbdashoff@aol.com

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2635 From: jbdashoff@aol.com Date: 4/18/2014
Subject: Fw: Re:

 

Hi!     


jbdashoff@aol.com      

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2636 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 4/19/2014
Subject: Uh oh

 

 

Looks like Joni Dashoff’s email’s been hacked.

Bruce

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2637 From: jbdashoff@aol.com Date: 4/19/2014
Subject: Fw: Re:

 

Hi!     


jbdashoff@aol.com      

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2638 From: JBdashoff@aol.com Date: 4/22/2014
Subject: Re: Uh oh Apologies

 

 

In a message dated 4/19/2014 1:04:20 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

 

 

Looks like Joni Dashoff’s email’s been hacked.

Bruce

 

 

Sorry very old desktop running Windows Xp which they stopped supporting
this month. I have a new laptop on order (so I can  take those pesky CC33
memberships) and I’m switching to my gmail account as soon as I find my info.
Joni

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2639 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/26/2014
Subject: Invites

 

 

Presuming that this list is still active, the heads of the next two CCs (one just voted on) and the San Diego bid, should be invited to the list.

Bruce

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2640 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 5/26/2014
Subject: Re: Invites

It is, and they would be….?

Thanks,
Betsy

 

 

On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 2:18 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Presuming that this list is still active, the heads of the next two CCs (one just voted on) and the San Diego bid, should be invited to the list.

 

Bruce

 

 

 





Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

Group: runacc Message: 2641 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/26/2014
Subject: Re: Invites

 

 

Do you have a contact for Rebecca Rowan?     Dawn should have the contact for the Canadians.   Otherwise, I can track it down, maybe.

 

 

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 2:10 PM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: Re: [runacc] Invites

It is, and they would be….?

Thanks,

Betsy

On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 2:18 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Presuming that this list is still active, the heads of the next two CCs (one just voted on) and the San Diego bid, should be invited to the list.

Bruce





Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2642 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 5/26/2014
Subject: Re: Invites

Rebecca8175@gmail.com
admin@conbravo.com

 

On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 4:00 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Do you have a contact for Rebecca Rowan?     Dawn should have the contact for the Canadians.   Otherwise, I can track it down, maybe.

 

 

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]

Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 2:10 PM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: Re: [runacc] Invites

 

It is, and they would be….?

 

Thanks,

 

Betsy

 

On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 2:18 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Presuming that this list is still active, the heads of the next two CCs (one just voted on) and the San Diego bid, should be invited to the list.

 

Bruce

 

 


 




Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2643 From: Sarah Bloy Date: 5/26/2014
Subject: Re: Invites
Do you mean me, Bruce?  I lurk, because I’m soaking up knowledge, but I’m here.

🙂

– Sarah

 

 

On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 1:18 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Presuming that this list is still active, the heads of the next two CCs (one just voted on) and the San Diego bid, should be invited to the list.

 

Bruce

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2644 From: costumrs Date: 5/26/2014
Subject: Re: Invites

 

I gave contact info for Mark and Natalie. Will send later when I’m at the desktop..
Pierre
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone

——– Original message ——–
From: “‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]”
Date:05/26/2014 3:00 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [runacc] Invites

 

Do you have a contact for Rebecca Rowan?     Dawn should have the contact for the Canadians.   Otherwise, I can track it down, maybe.

 

 

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 2:10 PM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: Re: [runacc] Invites

It is, and they would be….?

Thanks,

Betsy

On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 2:18 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Presuming that this list is still active, the heads of the next two CCs (one just voted on) and the San Diego bid, should be invited to the list.

Bruce





Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/


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Group: runacc Message: 2645 From: ECM Date: 5/26/2014
Subject: Re: Invites

 

Yes, please.  San Diego is Rebecca Rowan & me.

Thanks,

Elaine


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 13:18:51 -0500
Subject: [runacc] Invites

 

Presuming that this list is still active, the heads of the next two CCs (one just voted on) and the San Diego bid, should be invited to the list.

Bruce

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2646 From: ECM Date: 5/26/2014
Subject: Re: Invites

 

rebecca8175@gmail.com


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 15:00:59 -0500
Subject: RE: [runacc] Invites

 

Do you have a contact for Rebecca Rowan?     Dawn should have the contact for the Canadians.   Otherwise, I can track it down, maybe.

 

 

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 2:10 PM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: Re: [runacc] Invites

It is, and they would be….?

Thanks,

Betsy

On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 2:18 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Presuming that this list is still active, the heads of the next two CCs (one just voted on) and the San Diego bid, should be invited to the list.

Bruce





Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2647 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 5/26/2014
Subject: Re: Invites

Whelp,

I tried. One of the two email addresses I received successfully translated into an invitation to join the list.
The other (Rebecca Rowan’s) was disabled – the specific error said something about not allowing invites from the group.
Please feel free to send it to whomever you think will want to be part of the list.
And, for those of you still on it, now’s a great time to decide whether you still want to be here or you’d rather unsubscribe. The Unsubscribe link is below.

 

Thanks!

Betsy

 



Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

Group: runacc Message: 2648 From: beckieboo817 Date: 5/26/2014
Subject: Re: Invites

I’ve been on the list for several years.  I’ve also asked for info for various things while lurking too.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2649 From: Byron Connell Date: 5/26/2014
Subject: Signing your posts [was: Re: [runacc] Invites]

 

Everyone, please remember to sign your posts.  It’s not always clear in the From line who is speaking.

 

Thanks,
Byron

 

On May 26, 2014, at 6:50 PM, Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

Whelp,

I tried. One of the two email addresses I received successfully translated into an invitation to join the list.
The other (Rebecca Rowan’s) was disabled – the specific error said something about not allowing invites from the group.
Please feel free to send it to whomever you think will want to be part of the list.
And, for those of you still on it, now’s a great time to decide whether you still want to be here or you’d rather unsubscribe. The Unsubscribe link is below.

 

Thanks!

Betsy

 

 

Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2650 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 5/26/2014
Subject: Re: Signing your posts [was: Re: [runacc] Invites]

I did, Byron. My signature shows up at the bottom of this post.

However, that said, everyone needs to include a real name, especially those with unfamiliar Yahoo aliases.
Thanks!

Betsy

 

 

On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 7:49 PM, Byron Connell byronpconnell@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Everyone, please remember to sign your posts.  It’s not always clear in the From line who is speaking.

Thanks,
Byron

 

On May 26, 2014, at 6:50 PM, Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Whelp,

I tried. One of the two email addresses I received successfully translated into an invitation to join the list.
The other (Rebecca Rowan’s) was disabled – the specific error said something about not allowing invites from the group.
Please feel free to send it to whomever you think will want to be part of the list.
And, for those of you still on it, now’s a great time to decide whether you still want to be here or you’d rather unsubscribe. The Unsubscribe link is below.

 

Thanks!

Betsy

 

— 

Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

 





Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

Group: runacc Message: 2651 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 5/26/2014
Subject: Re: Invites

 

Natalie Wallce is the newest elected con chair

easiest to reach her at:
n.wallace@conbravo.com
and I will tell her the invite is coming
Gravely MacCabre
http://www.castleblood.com
http://facebook.com/gravelymaccabre
http://www.etsy.com/shop/gravelymaccabre


tv show clip samples at
http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood
On Monday, May 26, 2014 7:46 PM,
“beckieboo817@yahoo.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



 

I’ve been on the list for several years.  I’ve also asked for info for various things while lurking too.



 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2652 From: Pierre and Sandy Pettinger Date: 5/26/2014
Subject: Re: Invites

 

And the head of the bid, and now con treasurer for CC35 is Mark
Tjan:

office@markptjan.com

Pierre

At 08:03 PM 5/26/2014, you wrote:

 

Natalie Wallce is the newest
elected con chair

easiest to reach her at:
n.wallace@conbravo.com

and I will tell her the invite is coming
Gravely MacCabre

http://www.castleblood.com


http://facebook.com/gravelymaccabre


http://www.etsy.com/shop/gravelymaccabre

On Monday, May 26, 2014 7:46 PM,
“beckieboo817@yahoo.com [runacc]”
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I’ve been on the list for several years.  I’ve also asked for info
for various things while lurking too.

International Costumers’ Guild Archivist


http://www.costume.org/gallery2/main.php

“Those Who Fail to Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly –
Why They Are Simply Doomed.”

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C. Y. 4971

Andromeda

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 2653 From: ECM Date: 5/27/2014
Subject: Re: Invites

 

I sent it to her as a forward.  Wait & watch.

Elaine


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 18:50:31 -0400
Subject: Re: [runacc] Invites

 

Whelp,

I tried. One of the two email addresses I received successfully translated into an invitation to join the list.
The other (Rebecca Rowan’s) was disabled – the specific error said something about not allowing invites from the group.
Please feel free to send it to whomever you think will want to be part of the list.
And, for those of you still on it, now’s a great time to decide whether you still want to be here or you’d rather unsubscribe. The Unsubscribe link is below.

 

Thanks!

Betsy

 



Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

 

 

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Group: runacc Message: 2552 From: dandyhank Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: Re: folio at the door
Group: runacc Message: 2553 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: Re: folio at the door
Group: runacc Message: 2554 From: Sarah Bloy Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: Re: folio at the door
Group: runacc Message: 2555 From: Tina Connell Date: 4/19/2013
Subject: Re: folio at the door
Group: runacc Message: 2557 From: dandyhank Date: 5/7/2013
Subject: Re: Fwd:
Group: runacc Message: 2559 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 5/22/2013
Subject: Looks like Henry Osier’s account’s been hacked.
Group: runacc Message: 2560 From: dandyhank Date: 5/23/2013
Subject: Yes, I know
Group: runacc Message: 2561 From: H W Date: 5/25/2013
Subject: CC31 Hotel
Group: runacc Message: 2562 From: H W Date: 5/25/2013
Subject: CC31 in general
Group: runacc Message: 2563 From: H W Date: 5/25/2013
Subject: Re: CC31 Hotel
Group: runacc Message: 2564 From: H W Date: 5/25/2013
Subject: CC31 SF&F Masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 2565 From: Jamie Butler Date: 5/25/2013
Subject: Re: CC31 SF&F Masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 2566 From: axejudge Date: 5/25/2013
Subject: Re: CC31 SF&F Masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 2567 From: Sarah Bloy Date: 5/26/2013
Subject: Re: CC31 SF&F Masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 2568 From: axejudge Date: 5/26/2013
Subject: Re: CC31 SF&F Masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 2569 From: Byron P Connell Date: 5/27/2013
Subject: Re: CC31 Hotel
Group: runacc Message: 2570 From: Byron P Connell Date: 5/27/2013
Subject: Re: CC31 SF&F Masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 2571 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 5/27/2013
Subject: Re: CC31 SF&F Masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 2572 From: Elaine Mami Date: 5/27/2013
Subject: Re: CC31 Hotel
Group: runacc Message: 2573 From: Byron P Connell Date: 5/27/2013
Subject: Re: CC31 SF&F Masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 2574 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 5/28/2013
Subject: Re: CC31 SF&F Masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 2575 From: H W Date: 5/28/2013
Subject: Re: CC31 SF&F Masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 2576 From: axejudge Date: 5/28/2013
Subject: Re: CC31 SF&F Masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 2577 From: Byron P Connell Date: 5/28/2013
Subject: Re: CC31 SF&F Masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 2578 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 5/28/2013
Subject: Re: CC31 SF&F Masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 2579 From: axejudge Date: 5/28/2013
Subject: Re: CC31 SF&F Masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 2580 From: Kaijugal . Date: 5/29/2013
Subject: Re: CC31 SF&F Masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 2581 From: Nora Date: 5/31/2013
Subject: photo discussion on the ICG-D list
Group: runacc Message: 2582 From: Elaine Mami Date: 5/31/2013
Subject: Re: photo discussion on the ICG-D list
Group: runacc Message: 2583 From: Byron Connell Date: 5/31/2013
Subject: Re: photo discussion on the ICG-D list
Group: runacc Message: 2584 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/1/2013
Subject: Re: photo discussion on the ICG-D list
Group: runacc Message: 2585 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 6/3/2013
Subject: At last, motivation to write something…
Group: runacc Message: 2586 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/3/2013
Subject: Re: At last, motivation to write something…
Group: runacc Message: 2587 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 6/3/2013
Subject: Re: At last, motivation to write something…
Group: runacc Message: 2588 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/3/2013
Subject: Re: At last, motivation to write something…
Group: runacc Message: 2589 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 6/3/2013
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Cons and membership upgrades
Group: runacc Message: 2590 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/3/2013
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Cons and membership upgrades
Group: runacc Message: 2591 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/3/2013
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Cons and membership upgrades
Group: runacc Message: 2592 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/4/2013
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Cons and membership upgrades
Group: runacc Message: 2593 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/4/2013
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Cons and membership upgrades
Group: runacc Message: 2594 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 6/4/2013
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Cons and membership upgrades
Group: runacc Message: 2595 From: tinathebookworm Date: 6/4/2013
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Cons and membership upgrades
Group: runacc Message: 2596 From: spiritof_76 Date: 6/4/2013
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Cons and membership upgrades
Group: runacc Message: 2597 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 6/4/2013
Subject: Re: At last, motivation to write something…
Group: runacc Message: 2598 From: dandyhank Date: 6/5/2013
Subject: Re: Digest Number 698
Group: runacc Message: 2599 From: staceylee25 Date: 6/5/2013
Subject: Masquerades in general
Group: runacc Message: 2600 From: Jamie Butler Date: 6/5/2013
Subject: Re: Masquerades in general
Group: runacc Message: 2601 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/5/2013
Subject: Re: At last, motivation to write something…
Group: runacc Message: 2602 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/5/2013
Subject: Re: Masquerades in general
Group: runacc Message: 2603 From: Kevin Roche Date: 6/5/2013
Subject: Re: Masquerades in general

 


 

Group: runacc Message: 2552 From: dandyhank Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: Re: folio at the door

In a message dated 4/17/2013 10:30:45 PM Central Daylight Time,
costumrs@radiks.net writes:

> I believe CC28 provided a
> disc containing the folio to people who joined at
> the door. Henry will have to confirm.

Honestly, I do not remember what we did.

Henry

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 2553 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: Re: folio at the door

Basically, what Byron said. If the membership is said to include the Folio,
then it needs to include the Folio. Either that, or you’re selling
something other than a full membership and that needs to be spelled out.

My NSH $0.02. OTOH, if you’ve distributed the Folio on disk, then you can
distribute at the door the same way. The best you can do is make an
educated guess as to how many you’re going to get total for the con and
plan accordingly. I think we overbought by maybe 100, but with printers
there’s frequently a bulk price break, and that can make all the
difference.

Your mileage may vary. Taxes, tags and license extra.

Betsy

On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 8:24 PM, <osierhenry@cs.com> wrote:

> In a message dated 4/17/2013 10:30:45 PM Central Daylight Time,
> costumrs@radiks.net writes:
> > I believe CC28 provided a
> > disc containing the folio to people who joined at
> > the door. Henry will have to confirm.
> Honestly, I do not remember what we did.
>
> Henry
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo!
> Groups Links
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>
>




Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 2554 From: Sarah Bloy Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: Re: folio at the door

I only ever got a digi for CC28, so I don’t think you handed out at the
door.

– Sarah

On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 7:24 PM, <osierhenry@cs.com> wrote:

> **
>
>
> In a message dated 4/17/2013 10:30:45 PM Central Daylight Time,
> costumrs@radiks.net writes:
> > I believe CC28 provided a
> > disc containing the folio to people who joined at
> > the door. Henry will have to confirm.
> Honestly, I do not remember what we did.
>
> Henry
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 2555 From: Tina Connell Date: 4/19/2013
Subject: Re: folio at the door
There are still a (very) few Luddites who dislike electronic/computerized
media. I personally don’t have a problem with printing out my own personal
hard copy from the digital version (our printer even does double-sided).
Granted, a person printing their own copy uses a bit of paper and
ink/toner, but the actual cost is nominal compared to what a job printer
would charge per copy, and the digital copy takes up a lot less storage
space than a hard copy. One also has the option of just printing out hard
copy of those designs which actually made it into the Folio show.

There’s still time before the con to do a small hard-copy run to have for
those who prefer that, and still mostly do CDs for everyone else. A quick
glance at the Staples website indicates that bulk CDs and sleeves for same
would probably run around 35-40 cents total per copy, as opposed to (my
guess) at least $4 or more (especially if color is used for part) for a
print copy.

I do think that even if one received the Folio electronically prior to the
con, a CD would be appreciated.

Tina

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Group: runacc Message: 2557 From: dandyhank Date: 5/7/2013
Subject: Re: Fwd:
Did not send. Stupid virus.

Henry

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 2559 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 5/22/2013
Subject: Looks like Henry Osier’s account’s been hacked.
Please don’t click on the link you just received.

Henry, please run a check of your account.

Thanks,

Betsy




Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 2560 From: dandyhank Date: 5/23/2013
Subject: Yes, I know
Hi,
I was using a laptop at a hotel recently. Yes, I know about the
Spam. I am home now and have changed my password, so, hopefully, it will not
happen again.
Henry

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 2561 From: H W Date: 5/25/2013
Subject: CC31 Hotel
Here are my thoughts about the CC31 Hotel.

Location: It was nice to find out from the general manager that the highway was built around the hotel. That explains the wacky drag race of getting back on Parker to go down the street. It was also nice that it was close to the King Sooper store. Other stores were also a very close drive.

Staff: Generally, hit and miss. I had great encounters with two of the front desk staff, particularly an older shorter woman and a fair haired younger man. There was a darker skinned woman who was an idiot. She did not seem to understand my simple question of “How far down Parker do I go before I get to Alameda?” One of their Shuttle Drivers did and was very helpful. As was a saleswoman and the general manager. Saturday night, I asked the same supervisor three times for water in room D for my judges, and the two men in the restaraunt before some finally showwed up.

Food: There were a few items that were alright. The Friday dinner pasta bar was terrible. The items were warm and I think they just dumped a can of chopped tomatos in the pan for sauce. The sandwich buffet was lack luster. The burger buffet Saturday lunch time was alright. Julia Hyll recieved a cold bowl of soup in the bar Saturday night. Daren Bost said it took him two hours to get some nachos. The breakfast buffet, the one time I went, was alright, neither crappy or stellar.

My Room: I was in the west tower and is was ok. Only had to ask the front desk once to have housekeeping make up my room. I do not know if they just had not made it there yet or missed me, so I mentioned it.

I am very glad that the fire alarm did not go off during the con. It went off Wednesday night and the previous weekend. The humorous thing was that people in the bar did not budge or bat an eye when it happened Wednesday night.

Henry

 

Group: runacc Message: 2562 From: H W Date: 5/25/2013
Subject: CC31 in general
Because I ran the SF&F, and helped out in the Green Room during the Historical, I did not see that much of the con.

The displays looked good, what I saw of them. As did the list of panels. The dealers room seemed heavy on the steampunk, but, hey, that’s popular now. No harm in capitalizing on that.

Layout was alright, once you got the lay of the land, which did not take long. I just wondered why general con reg was were it was. There were empty tables near us for SF&F and Historical Reg.

I was surprised to find out how many people made it for the con. It did not seem as crowded as the numbers suggest.

Henry

 

Group: runacc Message: 2563 From: H W Date: 5/25/2013
Subject: Re: CC31 Hotel
I forgot to mention one other thing. The business center sucked. One computer was broke the entire time I was there, which was Tuesday night before the con till the Tuesday morning after. Thursday morning, I believe, the printers were out of paper. As was the front desk. A sales woman grabbed some out of her office. One man did the thing I thought of doing, which was plug thier printer into his laptop to print. That did work for him.

Henry

 

Group: runacc Message: 2564 From: H W Date: 5/25/2013
Subject: CC31 SF&F Masquerade
I ran it.

Before I trash myself, I want to comment on the woman, I believe her name was Mary, who was running the green room. During my show, her attitude was very bad. One of the MAC’s volunteered to help, and after some confusion, she gave him lip, then her daughters did. She also pushed my judges. I found all this out after it happened.

My contestants were very cool in the green room, which helped things there.

Now, me.

Yes, I should have had seperate workmanship judges. I had a hard time finding the judges I did.

Apparently, most people felt that I did not give out enough awards. Eleven awards were given out in a field of 31 entries.

If anyone lets me run a masquerade at a costume-con, I will have workmanship judges and give out more awards. But, I feel like that is never going to happen again.

Henry

 

Group: runacc Message: 2565 From: Jamie Butler Date: 5/25/2013
Subject: Re: CC31 SF&F Masquerade

IF anyone has any questions or concerns about the awards that were given out, you are welcome to contact me, as one of the judges.

Jamie Butler

President of the Madison Area Costuming Society,

Member of the Guilde of St. George

— On Sat, 5/25/13, H W <osierhenry@cs.com> wrote:

From: H W <osierhenry@cs.com>
Subject: [runacc] CC31 SF&F Masquerade
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, May 25, 2013, 2:42 PM

I ran it.

Before I trash myself, I want to comment on the woman, I believe her name was Mary, who was running the green room. During my show, her attitude was very bad. One of the MAC’s volunteered to help, and after some confusion, she gave him lip, then her daughters did. She also pushed my judges. I found all this out after it happened.

My contestants were very cool in the green room, which helped things there.

Now, me.

Yes, I should have had seperate workmanship judges. I had a hard time finding the judges I did.

Apparently, most people felt that I did not give out enough awards. Eleven awards were given out in a field of 31 entries.

If anyone lets me run a masquerade at a costume-con, I will have workmanship judges and give out more awards. But, I feel like that is never going to happen again.

Henry

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 2566 From: axejudge Date: 5/25/2013
Subject: Re: CC31 SF&F Masquerade

RE: judges

I don’t know who you asked or didn’t. All I can say was you didn’t ask me, and I was available.

RE: awards

No, you didn’t give out enough awards. That number might have been about right PER SECTION – 11 for workmanship, 11 for presentation.

You broke the main tenet: excellence deserves reward. By hamstringing the judges, you became everything we are fighting against. You also fell into the trap of “at X Con, we *fill in the blank* and it works”. Well, this isn’t X Con; it’s Costume-Con, and you know better – or at least you should have.

RE: running a masquerade in future

I hope you have learned from your errors. They were mostly avoidable. No, I would not choose you for an MD anytime soon. In fact, I would probably refuse to be involved with the masquerade at any level were you to be chosen as MD. You have seen masquerades for years, and you know how we like things – and yet you still insisted on acting with an antiquated mindset. It was baffling – and completely unacceptable. For shame.

Karen

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “H W” <osierhenry@…> wrote:
>
> I ran it.
>
> Yes, I should have had seperate workmanship judges. I had a hard time finding the judges I did.
>
> Apparently, most people felt that I did not give out enough awards. Eleven awards were given out in a field of 31 entries.
>
> If anyone lets me run a masquerade at a costume-con, I will have workmanship judges and give out more awards. But, I feel like that is never going to happen again.
>
> Henry
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2567 From: Sarah Bloy Date: 5/26/2013
Subject: Re: CC31 SF&F Masquerade

OK, I’m going to stick my neck out for Henry a little bit here, because I
think there’s a little bit of a harsh attitude being thrown at him.

Were the judges hamstrung? Yes. Were there issues in the green room? Yes.

But who brought up these issues with Henry before or while they were
happening? If there were issues in the green room, someone either among
the contestants or the rest of the masquerade staff needed to speak up with
the Director. If there was an issue with the awards and how they were
handed out, someone among the judges needed to speak up with the Director.
A masquerade director can only address a problem that he or she knows is
happening. That Henry is telling us that he didn’t know about these issues
until afterward tells me that at least some of the onus is on the rest of
us for just plain not speaking up.

Now, yes, part of the responsibility of the Director is to be as accessible
as possible and make it easier for people to bring up their concerns. But
I have never known Henry to be anything but approachable and friendly and
open to bringing up issues.

To be frank, I don’t think that Henry is the only one with something to
learn, here.

I have been a contestant, a director, a judge, a green room helper, a stage
hand, an MC (though, not well on that one and I do the world a service by
never doing it again), and an audience member at various and sundry
masquerades for the past seven years or so. And in each of those roles, I
have found that the best way to head off an issue is to simply speak up.

And, yes, I made the mistake of not speaking up during the masquerade
myself. I will gladly admit to that.

Henry is going to be my Green Room Coordinator for Geek.Kon this August.
He runs a damn good green room, even under difficult circumstances (ChiCon
last fall, anyone?). And I will happily help him with any endeavor that I
can in the future. Why? Because he’s a good guy and because simply saying
“I won’t have anything to do with so-and-so anymore” helps no one learn,
grow, or improve.

Withdrawing from someone who is supportive of and enthusiastic for the
hobby simply because mistakes were made would be a bigger shame.

Learn, teach, fix. Don’t ostracize.

Hopefully I haven’t just made enemies with this post. I’ve got a lot of
work ahead for CC34 and I need all the help and input I can get. So I will
say right here and now that if anyone has any issues with anything
concerning CC34, please speak up and I will look into it. I am also still
sorting out a lot of my feelings about stuff that happened last weekend, so
much so that a week isn’t enough time. So this post is all that I will say
on this. If anyone has concerns about anything in this post, please email
me privately.

Mistakes happened. Let’s fix them. All of us.

– Sarah

On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 6:20 PM, axejudge <axejudge@accessus.net> wrote:

> **
>
>
> RE: judges
>
> I don’t know who you asked or didn’t. All I can say was you didn’t ask me,
> and I was available.
>
> RE: awards
>
> No, you didn’t give out enough awards. That number might have been about
> right PER SECTION – 11 for workmanship, 11 for presentation.
>
> You broke the main tenet: excellence deserves reward. By hamstringing the
> judges, you became everything we are fighting against. You also fell into
> the trap of “at X Con, we *fill in the blank* and it works”. Well, this
> isn’t X Con; it’s Costume-Con, and you know better – or at least you should
> have.
>
> RE: running a masquerade in future
>
> I hope you have learned from your errors. They were mostly avoidable. No,
> I would not choose you for an MD anytime soon. In fact, I would probably
> refuse to be involved with the masquerade at any level were you to be
> chosen as MD. You have seen masquerades for years, and you know how we like
> things – and yet you still insisted on acting with an antiquated mindset.
> It was baffling – and completely unacceptable. For shame.
>
> Karen
>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “H W” <osierhenry@…> wrote:
> >
> > I ran it.
>
> >
> > Yes, I should have had seperate workmanship judges. I had a hard time
> finding the judges I did.
> >
> > Apparently, most people felt that I did not give out enough awards.
> Eleven awards were given out in a field of 31 entries.
> >
> > If anyone lets me run a masquerade at a costume-con, I will have
> workmanship judges and give out more awards. But, I feel like that is never
> going to happen again.
> >
> > Henry
> >
>
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2568 From: axejudge Date: 5/26/2013
Subject: Re: CC31 SF&F Masquerade

I find you a surprising defender, but okay.

How easy was Henry to find to address these issues? I do not know. If he was difficult to locate, how could issues be addressed?

Judges and contestants alike are regularly told that the MD is God, and what s/he says is the law. How then are people to speak up? The judges did not find out they were handling both workmanship and presentation until they got there. What were they to do then: refuse to judge at all unless he found more judges to handle one side or the other? If Henry was having trouble finding judges, what was he to do then? Now, if he was *really* having that much trouble finding judges, perhaps HE should have squeaked up well before the con to get that issue addressed; that’s part of his job.

Admittedly, if I were handed a short list of awards and told that was all I could give, I would ask why, verify if there were enough ribbons for more, then ignore the list – but I’m a bitch that way.

Henry is not a n00b. He has witnessed and been involved with many masquerades. That’s why I, and others, found his decisions completely unfathomable. He knew better. It would be easier to forgive if he hadn’t.

I am not shunning him as a person, nor as a volunteer in any other aspect. He is not a bad guy. And I have no dog in this particular fight; I didn’t compete, so I was not in the position of feeling I had gotten screwed. I do, however, know that Costume-Con is supposed to be where the ICG’s guidelines, and its general tenets about the artform, will be most respected and followed; that it should be the example that other cons should look to. In this I feel this masquerade failed, and that is directly attributable to the MD’s choices.

Karen

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Sarah Bloy <berzerker.prime@…> wrote:
>
> OK, I’m going to stick my neck out for Henry a little bit here, because I
> think there’s a little bit of a harsh attitude being thrown at him.
>
> Were the judges hamstrung? Yes. Were there issues in the green room? Yes.
>
> But who brought up these issues with Henry before or while they were
> happening? If there were issues in the green room, someone either among
> the contestants or the rest of the masquerade staff needed to speak up with
> the Director. If there was an issue with the awards and how they were
> handed out, someone among the judges needed to speak up with the Director.
> A masquerade director can only address a problem that he or she knows is
> happening. That Henry is telling us that he didn’t know about these issues
> until afterward tells me that at least some of the onus is on the rest of
> us for just plain not speaking up.
>
> Now, yes, part of the responsibility of the Director is to be as accessible
> as possible and make it easier for people to bring up their concerns. But
> I have never known Henry to be anything but approachable and friendly and
> open to bringing up issues.
>
> To be frank, I don’t think that Henry is the only one with something to
> learn, here.
>
> I have been a contestant, a director, a judge, a green room helper, a stage
> hand, an MC (though, not well on that one and I do the world a service by
> never doing it again), and an audience member at various and sundry
> masquerades for the past seven years or so. And in each of those roles, I
> have found that the best way to head off an issue is to simply speak up.
>
> And, yes, I made the mistake of not speaking up during the masquerade
> myself. I will gladly admit to that.
>
> Henry is going to be my Green Room Coordinator for Geek.Kon this August.
> He runs a damn good green room, even under difficult circumstances (ChiCon
> last fall, anyone?). And I will happily help him with any endeavor that I
> can in the future. Why? Because he’s a good guy and because simply saying
> “I won’t have anything to do with so-and-so anymore” helps no one learn,
> grow, or improve.
>
> Withdrawing from someone who is supportive of and enthusiastic for the
> hobby simply because mistakes were made would be a bigger shame.
>
> Learn, teach, fix. Don’t ostracize.
>
> Hopefully I haven’t just made enemies with this post. I’ve got a lot of
> work ahead for CC34 and I need all the help and input I can get. So I will
> say right here and now that if anyone has any issues with anything
> concerning CC34, please speak up and I will look into it. I am also still
> sorting out a lot of my feelings about stuff that happened last weekend, so
> much so that a week isn’t enough time. So this post is all that I will say
> on this. If anyone has concerns about anything in this post, please email
> me privately.
>
> Mistakes happened. Let’s fix them. All of us.
>
> – Sarah
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 6:20 PM, axejudge <axejudge@…> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > RE: judges
> >
> > I don’t know who you asked or didn’t. All I can say was you didn’t ask me,
> > and I was available.
> >
> > RE: awards
> >
> > No, you didn’t give out enough awards. That number might have been about
> > right PER SECTION – 11 for workmanship, 11 for presentation.
> >
> > You broke the main tenet: excellence deserves reward. By hamstringing the
> > judges, you became everything we are fighting against. You also fell into
> > the trap of “at X Con, we *fill in the blank* and it works”. Well, this
> > isn’t X Con; it’s Costume-Con, and you know better – or at least you should
> > have.
> >
> > RE: running a masquerade in future
> >
> > I hope you have learned from your errors. They were mostly avoidable. No,
> > I would not choose you for an MD anytime soon. In fact, I would probably
> > refuse to be involved with the masquerade at any level were you to be
> > chosen as MD. You have seen masquerades for years, and you know how we like
> > things – and yet you still insisted on acting with an antiquated mindset.
> > It was baffling – and completely unacceptable. For shame.
> >
> > Karen
> >
> > — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “H W” <osierhenry@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I ran it.
> >
> > >
> > > Yes, I should have had seperate workmanship judges. I had a hard time
> > finding the judges I did.
> > >
> > > Apparently, most people felt that I did not give out enough awards.
> > Eleven awards were given out in a field of 31 entries.
> > >
> > > If anyone lets me run a masquerade at a costume-con, I will have
> > workmanship judges and give out more awards. But, I feel like that is never
> > going to happen again.
> > >
> > > Henry
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2569 From: Byron P Connell Date: 5/27/2013
Subject: Re: CC31 Hotel

My one-word description of the hotel is “dim.” I found the dim lighting and tinted windows and mirrors in the public areas very depressing. Of course, it is possible that the dim lighting was intentional, to disguise the shabby surroundings: worn carpets in the halls and worn furniture in the lobby. This may reflect the recent sale of the property and the intent to convert the East Tower to a Radisson. Our East Tower room was marginal. While the lobby came with comfy (if worn) club chairs, the room had a stiff arm chair that looked like the ones in the restaurant; it was extremely uncomfortable. The room lighting was improved once we bought and substituted brighter bulbs that the 40 or 60 watt equivalents in the fixtures. We wondered whether the elevators had been converted from freight elevators, due to their worn appearance.

Service in the restaurant was surprisingly incompetent. On Saturday evening, Tina and I ordered the club burgers. Tina wanted hers without cheese and sauce, and with lemonade. The waiter took our order, then returned to ask me whether she wanted iced tea and no tomatoes! The burgers, surprisingly, were good quality. In contrast, service by hotel staff and in the bar were perfectly adequate.

We would not return to this hotel and would think twice about staying at any Red Lion on the basis of our experience.

Byron

On May 25, 2013, at 3:23 PM, H W <osierhenry@cs.com> wrote:

> Here are my thoughts about the CC31 Hotel.
>
> Location: It was nice to find out from the general manager that the highway was built around the hotel. That explains the wacky drag race of getting back on Parker to go down the street. It was also nice that it was close to the King Sooper store. Other stores were also a very close drive.
>
> Staff: Generally, hit and miss. I had great encounters with two of the front desk staff, particularly an older shorter woman and a fair haired younger man. There was a darker skinned woman who was an idiot. She did not seem to understand my simple question of “How far down Parker do I go before I get to Alameda?” One of their Shuttle Drivers did and was very helpful. As was a saleswoman and the general manager. Saturday night, I asked the same supervisor three times for water in room D for my judges, and the two men in the restaraunt before some finally showwed up.
>
> Food: There were a few items that were alright. The Friday dinner pasta bar was terrible. The items were warm and I think they just dumped a can of chopped tomatos in the pan for sauce. The sandwich buffet was lack luster. The burger buffet Saturday lunch time was alright. Julia Hyll recieved a cold bowl of soup in the bar Saturday night. Daren Bost said it took him two hours to get some nachos. The breakfast buffet, the one time I went, was alright, neither crappy or stellar.
>
> My Room: I was in the west tower and is was ok. Only had to ask the front desk once to have housekeeping make up my room. I do not know if they just had not made it there yet or missed me, so I mentioned it.
>
> I am very glad that the fire alarm did not go off during the con. It went off Wednesday night and the previous weekend. The humorous thing was that people in the bar did not budge or bat an eye when it happened Wednesday night.
>
> Henry
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2570 From: Byron P Connell Date: 5/27/2013
Subject: Re: CC31 SF&F Masquerade

From the audience, we thought it odd that there were lots of what appeared to be workmanship awards and only best of division and show presentation awards.

Byron

On May 25, 2013, at 3:42 PM, H W <osierhenry@cs.com> wrote:

> I ran it.
>
> Before I trash myself, I want to comment on the woman, I believe her name was Mary, who was running the green room. During my show, her attitude was very bad. One of the MAC’s volunteered to help, and after some confusion, she gave him lip, then her daughters did. She also pushed my judges. I found all this out after it happened.
>
> My contestants were very cool in the green room, which helped things there.
>
> Now, me.
>
> Yes, I should have had seperate workmanship judges. I had a hard time finding the judges I did.
>
> Apparently, most people felt that I did not give out enough awards. Eleven awards were given out in a field of 31 entries.
>
> If anyone lets me run a masquerade at a costume-con, I will have workmanship judges and give out more awards. But, I feel like that is never going to happen again.
>
> Henry
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2571 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 5/27/2013
Subject: Re: CC31 SF&F Masquerade

I second Karen Heim’s remarks about  enjoying Henry’s company, and hoisting a beer with him.

but now after watching him as a con chair and especially as a masq director, twice at least)  everyone just needs to say no.

Henry, just step back and enjoy making costumes and have fun, and step away from admin positions for a while

Gravely MacCabre
http://www.castleblood.com
http://facebook.com/gravelymaccabre
http://etsy.com/shops/gravelymaccabre

tv show clip samples at
http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood

________________________________
From: Byron P Connell <byronpconnell@gmail.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: [runacc] CC31 SF&F Masquerade

From the audience, we thought it odd that there were lots of what appeared to be workmanship awards and only best of division and show presentation awards.

Byron

On May 25, 2013, at 3:42 PM, H W <osierhenry@cs.com> wrote:

> I ran it.
>
> Before I trash myself, I want to comment on the woman, I believe her name was Mary, who was running the green room. During my show, her attitude was very bad. One of the MAC’s volunteered to help, and after some confusion, she gave him lip, then her daughters did. She also pushed my judges. I found all this out after it happened.
>
> My contestants were very cool in the green room, which helped things there.
>
> Now, me.
>
> Yes, I should have had seperate workmanship judges. I had a hard time finding the judges I did.
>
> Apparently, most people felt that I did not give out enough awards. Eleven awards were given out in a field of 31 entries.
>
> If anyone lets me run a masquerade at a costume-con, I will have workmanship judges and give out more awards. But, I feel like that is never going to happen again.
>
> Henry
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2572 From: Elaine Mami Date: 5/27/2013
Subject: Re: CC31 Hotel

I must agree with Byron, although our room had a comfy chair. The main problem in the restaurant seemed to be with the kitchen staff. While they were capable of turning out surprisingly good food, it took them most of an hour to get it to you. Every day the answer was the same – at least 3 people didn’t come in that day. We missed the Friday Night presentations entirely, and the first 8 entries on Saturday. I am not a big fan of hotel buffets, and the bar was no faster. Yup. No more Red Lions without road testing them.

Elaine

> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: byronpconnell@gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 11:18:49 -0400
> Subject: Re: [runacc] CC31 Hotel
>
> My one-word description of the hotel is “dim.” I found the dim lighting and tinted windows and mirrors in the public areas very depressing. Of course, it is possible that the dim lighting was intentional, to disguise the shabby surroundings: worn carpets in the halls and worn furniture in the lobby. This may reflect the recent sale of the property and the intent to convert the East Tower to a Radisson. Our East Tower room was marginal. While the lobby came with comfy (if worn) club chairs, the room had a stiff arm chair that looked like the ones in the restaurant; it was extremely uncomfortable. The room lighting was improved once we bought and substituted brighter bulbs that the 40 or 60 watt equivalents in the fixtures. We wondered whether the elevators had been converted from freight elevators, due to their worn appearance.
>
> Service in the restaurant was surprisingly incompetent. On Saturday evening, Tina and I ordered the club burgers. Tina wanted hers without cheese and sauce, and with lemonade. The waiter took our order, then returned to ask me whether she wanted iced tea and no tomatoes! The burgers, surprisingly, were good quality. In contrast, service by hotel staff and in the bar were perfectly adequate.
>
> We would not return to this hotel and would think twice about staying at any Red Lion on the basis of our experience.
>
> Byron
>
>
> On May 25, 2013, at 3:23 PM, H W <osierhenry@cs.com> wrote:
>
> > Here are my thoughts about the CC31 Hotel.
> >
> > Location: It was nice to find out from the general manager that the highway was built around the hotel. That explains the wacky drag race of getting back on Parker to go down the street. It was also nice that it was close to the King Sooper store. Other stores were also a very close drive.
> >
> > Staff: Generally, hit and miss. I had great encounters with two of the front desk staff, particularly an older shorter woman and a fair haired younger man. There was a darker skinned woman who was an idiot. She did not seem to understand my simple question of “How far down Parker do I go before I get to Alameda?” One of their Shuttle Drivers did and was very helpful. As was a saleswoman and the general manager. Saturday night, I asked the same supervisor three times for water in room D for my judges, and the two men in the restaraunt before some finally showwed up.
> >
> > Food: There were a few items that were alright. The Friday dinner pasta bar was terrible. The items were warm and I think they just dumped a can of chopped tomatos in the pan for sauce. The sandwich buffet was lack luster. The burger buffet Saturday lunch time was alright. Julia Hyll recieved a cold bowl of soup in the bar Saturday night. Daren Bost said it took him two hours to get some nachos. The breakfast buffet, the one time I went, was alright, neither crappy or stellar.
> >
> > My Room: I was in the west tower and is was ok. Only had to ask the front desk once to have housekeeping make up my room. I do not know if they just had not made it there yet or missed me, so I mentioned it.
> >
> > I am very glad that the fire alarm did not go off during the con. It went off Wednesday night and the previous weekend. The humorous thing was that people in the bar did not budge or bat an eye when it happened Wednesday night.
> >
> > Henry
> >
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2573 From: Byron P Connell Date: 5/27/2013
Subject: Re: CC31 SF&F Masquerade

I don’t agree. I’ve been running masquerades, off and on, for over 20 years. There hasn’t been one where I haven’t screwed something up, including CC 10, Arisia 2002, CC 24, CC 25, several Philcons, Anticipation, CC 29, and ChiCon 7. Going into ChiCon, Henry had done every major job in a masquerade except green room manager, so that’s the job I gave him. He performed superbly. (That wasn’t one of my ChiCon screw-ups.)

Some of us believe that Henry screwed some things up. So? The MD is Ghod, after all. He makes the rules, organizes the show, and chooses the judges. What do you do if you don’t like what Ghod did? I’ve acknowledged my screw-ups as Ghod; I’ve never apologized for them publicly.

Byron

On May 27, 2013, at 11:29 AM, Gravely MacCabre <gravelymac@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I second Karen Heim’s remarks about enjoying Henry’s company, and hoisting a beer with him.
>
> but now after watching him as a con chair and especially as a masq director, twice at least) everyone just needs to say no.
>
> Henry, just step back and enjoy making costumes and have fun, and step away from admin positions for a while
>
>
> Gravely MacCabre
> http://www.castleblood.com
> http://facebook.com/gravelymaccabre
> http://etsy.com/shops/gravelymaccabre
>
> tv show clip samples at
> http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood
>
> ________________________________
> From: Byron P Connell <byronpconnell@gmail.com>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 11:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [runacc] CC31 SF&F Masquerade
>
>
> From the audience, we thought it odd that there were lots of what appeared to be workmanship awards and only best of division and show presentation awards.
>
> Byron
>
> On May 25, 2013, at 3:42 PM, H W <osierhenry@cs.com> wrote:
>
> > I ran it.
> >
> > Before I trash myself, I want to comment on the woman, I believe her name was Mary, who was running the green room. During my show, her attitude was very bad. One of the MAC’s volunteered to help, and after some confusion, she gave him lip, then her daughters did. She also pushed my judges. I found all this out after it happened.
> >
> > My contestants were very cool in the green room, which helped things there.
> >
> > Now, me.
> >
> > Yes, I should have had seperate workmanship judges. I had a hard time finding the judges I did.
> >
> > Apparently, most people felt that I did not give out enough awards. Eleven awards were given out in a field of 31 entries.
> >
> > If anyone lets me run a masquerade at a costume-con, I will have workmanship judges and give out more awards. But, I feel like that is never going to happen again.
> >
> > Henry
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2574 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 5/28/2013
Subject: Re: CC31 SF&F Masquerade

Byron, you are right of course, ( other than the fact that I never hear people bitch about stuff you do) so what do I do if I dont like what ghod does?
I suggest people might refrain from going to that church again, thats all. and I was probably out of line to say that henry impose that on himself.

and there are many times that no one else raises a hand to do a job, so, we sometimes choose the flawed ghod we know. point taken

Gravely MacCabre
http://www.castleblood.com
http://facebook.com/gravelymaccabre
http://etsy.com/shops/gravelymaccabre

tv show clip samples at
http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood

________________________________
From: Byron P Connell <byronpconnell@gmail.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] CC31 SF&F Masquerade

I don’t agree.  I’ve been running masquerades, off and on, for over 20 years.  There hasn’t been one where I haven’t screwed something up, including CC 10, Arisia 2002, CC 24, CC 25, several Philcons, Anticipation, CC 29, and ChiCon 7.  Going into ChiCon, Henry had done every major job in a masquerade except green room manager, so that’s the job I gave him.  He performed superbly.  (That wasn’t one of my ChiCon screw-ups.)

Some of us believe that Henry screwed some things up.  So?  The MD is Ghod, after all.  He makes the rules, organizes the show, and chooses the judges.  What do you do if you don’t like what Ghod did?  I’ve acknowledged my screw-ups as Ghod; I’ve never apologized for them publicly.

Byron

On May 27, 2013, at 11:29 AM, Gravely MacCabre <gravelymac@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I second Karen Heim’s remarks about  enjoying Henry’s company, and hoisting a beer with him.
>
> but now after watching him as a con chair and especially as a masq director, twice at least)  everyone just needs to say no.
>
> Henry, just step back and enjoy making costumes and have fun, and step away from admin positions for a while
>
>
> Gravely MacCabre
> http://www.castleblood.com
> http://facebook.com/gravelymaccabre
> http://etsy.com/shops/gravelymaccabre
>
> tv show clip samples at
> http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood
>
> ________________________________
> From: Byron P Connell <byronpconnell@gmail.com>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 11:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [runacc] CC31 SF&F Masquerade
>
>
> From the audience, we thought it odd that there were lots of what appeared to be workmanship awards and only best of division and show presentation awards.
>
> Byron
>
> On May 25, 2013, at 3:42 PM, H W <osierhenry@cs.com> wrote:
>
> > I ran it.
> >
> > Before I trash myself, I want to comment on the woman, I believe her name was Mary, who was running the green room. During my show, her attitude was very bad. One of the MAC’s volunteered to help, and after some confusion, she gave him lip, then her daughters did. She also pushed my judges. I found all this out after it happened.
> >
> > My contestants were very cool in the green room, which helped things there.
> >
> > Now, me.
> >
> > Yes, I should have had seperate workmanship judges. I had a hard time finding the judges I did.
> >
> > Apparently, most people felt that I did not give out enough awards. Eleven awards were given out in a field of 31 entries.
> >
> > If anyone lets me run a masquerade at a costume-con, I will have workmanship judges and give out more awards. But, I feel like that is never going to happen again.
> >
> > Henry
> >
> >
>
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Group: runacc Message: 2575 From: H W Date: 5/28/2013
Subject: Re: CC31 SF&F Masquerade

Ricky,

After CC28, I worked eight conventions. Last year, six. This year, four, and two of them are what I call day jobs, things I can do in a day. I want to start going to cons again for the fun of it. And it is going to take some work to get to that point.

Karen Heim,

How many masquerades you run lately? How many conventions you work lately? I expected you to compete.

To everyone,

I could ask “Gee, should I have waited for everyone to say something, or just waited for the silent fall-out repercussions?” But, too late for that. I stood up on my two hind legs and ‘fessed up. And I am not going try dodging the bullets by saying “Well, I ran the list of awards past Mike, and he didn’t say anything.” My masquerade, my decisions. I did not do my best and I admitted it. I am not asking for everyone’s forgiveness. I decided to state what I heard was being said and confess to my errors.

And there is one question that no one has asked me.

Henry

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Gravely MacCabre <gravelymac@…> wrote:
>
> Byron, you are right of course, ( other than the fact that I never hear people bitch about stuff you do) so what do I do if I dont like what ghod does?
> I suggest people might refrain from going to that church again, thats all. and I was probably out of line to say that henry impose that on himself.
>
> and there are many times that no one else raises a hand to do a job, so, we sometimes choose the flawed ghod we know. point taken
>
>
>
> Gravely MacCabre
> http://www.castleblood.com
> http://facebook.com/gravelymaccabre
> http://etsy.com/shops/gravelymaccabre
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2576 From: axejudge Date: 5/28/2013
Subject: Re: CC31 SF&F Masquerade

RE: running masquerades

Now that’s an unfair question and you know it. Cons around here have MDs who run it every year; no openings available. As for CC, committees aren’t exactly falling over themselves asking me to do anything, and that is their choice. I participate as I feel able or competent. Fair enough that you thought I would compete; a simple email would have verified it one way or the other.

Karen

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “H W” <osierhenry@…> wrote:
>
> Karen Heim,
>
> How many masquerades you run lately? How many conventions you work lately? I expected you to compete.
>
> To everyone,
>
> I could ask “Gee, should I have waited for everyone to say something, or just waited for the silent fall-out repercussions?” But, too late for that. I stood up on my two hind legs and ‘fessed up. And I am not going try dodging the bullets by saying “Well, I ran the list of awards past Mike, and he didn’t say anything.” My masquerade, my decisions. I did not do my best and I admitted it. I am not asking for everyone’s forgiveness. I decided to state what I heard was being said and confess to my errors.
>
> And there is one question that no one has asked me.
>
> Henry
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2577 From: Byron P Connell Date: 5/28/2013
Subject: Re: CC31 SF&F Masquerade

Karen —

What are you doing for the LoneStarCon masquerade? I know Jill Eastlake is looking for staff.

Byron

On May 28, 2013, at 6:03 PM, axejudge <axejudge@accessus.net> wrote:

> RE: running masquerades
>
> Now that’s an unfair question and you know it. Cons around here have MDs who run it every year; no openings available. As for CC, committees aren’t exactly falling over themselves asking me to do anything, and that is their choice. I participate as I feel able or competent. Fair enough that you thought I would compete; a simple email would have verified it one way or the other.
>
> Karen
>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “H W” <osierhenry@…> wrote:
> >
> > Karen Heim,
> >
> > How many masquerades you run lately? How many conventions you work lately? I expected you to compete.
> >
> > To everyone,
> >
> > I could ask “Gee, should I have waited for everyone to say something, or just waited for the silent fall-out repercussions?” But, too late for that. I stood up on my two hind legs and ‘fessed up. And I am not going try dodging the bullets by saying “Well, I ran the list of awards past Mike, and he didn’t say anything.” My masquerade, my decisions. I did not do my best and I admitted it. I am not asking for everyone’s forgiveness. I decided to state what I heard was being said and confess to my errors.
> >
> > And there is one question that no one has asked me.
> >
> > Henry
> >
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2578 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 5/28/2013
Subject: Re: CC31 SF&F Masquerade

> > Now that’s an unfair question and you know it. Cons around here have MDs
> who run it every year; no openings available. As for CC, committees aren’t
> exactly falling over themselves asking me to do anything, and that is their
> choice. I participate as I feel able or competent.
>

For the record, I didn’t wait around for Michael to fall over himself, I
went to him when I heard about his bid and asked for a Masquerade because I
thought I’d be ready. I’ve found that waiting around often produces no
results, you’ve got to put yourself out there.

~Aurora

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Group: runacc Message: 2579 From: axejudge Date: 5/28/2013
Subject: Re: CC31 SF&F Masquerade

I no longer attend Worldcons. They are too expensive.

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Byron P Connell <byronpconnell@…> wrote:
>
> Karen —
>
> What are you doing for the LoneStarCon masquerade? I know Jill Eastlake is looking for staff.
>
> Byron
>
>
> On May 28, 2013, at 6:03 PM, axejudge <axejudge@…> wrote:
>
> > RE: running masquerades
> >
> > Now that’s an unfair question and you know it. Cons around here have MDs who run it every year; no openings available. As for CC, committees aren’t exactly falling over themselves asking me to do anything, and that is their choice. I participate as I feel able or competent. Fair enough that you thought I would compete; a simple email would have verified it one way or the other.
> >
> > Karen
> >
> > — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “H W” <osierhenry@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Karen Heim,
> > >
> > > How many masquerades you run lately? How many conventions you work lately? I expected you to compete.
> > >
> > > To everyone,
> > >
> > > I could ask “Gee, should I have waited for everyone to say something, or just waited for the silent fall-out repercussions?” But, too late for that. I stood up on my two hind legs and ‘fessed up. And I am not going try dodging the bullets by saying “Well, I ran the list of awards past Mike, and he didn’t say anything.” My masquerade, my decisions. I did not do my best and I admitted it. I am not asking for everyone’s forgiveness. I decided to state what I heard was being said and confess to my errors.
> > >
> > > And there is one question that no one has asked me.
> > >
> > > Henry
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2580 From: Kaijugal . Date: 5/29/2013
Subject: Re: CC31 SF&F Masquerade

Sarah, I will not speak on behalf of other judges, nor can I comment liberally on what
we all know is traditionally a verboden topic, “what goes on in the judging chambers”,
but I myself specifically asked Henry about the reasons for his method and he was very open
about his reasoning which had noble intent.

As somebody pointed out earlier in this thread, there is an understood rule that “The Masquerade
Director is GOHD”and we should all strive to be respectful of our Masquerade Directors and work as
part of a TEAM when we are on the masquerade crew.

Even if I may do things differently myself when I am director of a masquerade, I respect
Henry for openly standing by his decision and not laying blame elsewhere.

P.S. On another note the judges were all wonderful and very thoughtful in their selections, and our clerk
was above and beyond terrific. 🙂

Dawn McKechnie – Costume-Con 32 Chair.
Toronto, ON – April 25-28 2014
www.costumecon32.com

> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: berzerker.prime@gmail.com

” someone among the judges needed to speak up with the Director.”

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Group: runacc Message: 2581 From: Nora Date: 5/31/2013
Subject: photo discussion on the ICG-D list
If you haven’t been reading this string you should give it a look.
Amongst the sturm und drang are some valid points and interesting ideas.

For instance:
renting equipment for the photographer if he has to travel
covering that equipment under the con insurance
including ordering information in the reg packets
making sure that a full set of photos is donated to the Archives (my personal favorite)

Shall we discuss?

 

Group: runacc Message: 2582 From: Elaine Mami Date: 5/31/2013
Subject: Re: photo discussion on the ICG-D list
As a former CC chair and a *very* veteran attendee, I agree with all of those points. The third & fourth items are my faves, followed by insuring all tech equipment. Renting is an option I would take if the pro I wanted for *my* con couldn’t afford to trek their stuff across the country, but wanted to attend.
Elaine

If you haven’t been reading this string you should give it a look.

Amongst the sturm und drang are some valid points and interesting ideas.

For instance:

renting equipment for the photographer if he has to travel

covering that equipment under the con insurance

including ordering information in the reg packets

making sure that a full set of photos is donated to the Archives (my personal favorite)

Shall we discuss?

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Group: runacc Message: 2583 From: Byron Connell Date: 5/31/2013
Subject: Re: photo discussion on the ICG-D list

While I do not have access to its details, at ChiCon 7, official photography had its own budget lines, as it ought at any con (in my opinion). In addition, in my opinion, any con should carry sufficient liability insurance (usually in the form of an “inland marine” policy) to cover the potential costs of damage or injury. This ought to be regarded as an obligation, the same as paying the ASCAP/BMI license fees to use music at its events.

Neither Costume-Con nor any other con is an ICG function. If a CC decides to donate a set of photos to the archives, well and good. Presumably, it has budgeted the expense. If not, the ICG ought to be prepared to pay for a set if it wants one (says someone who has, in the past, paid personally for the archive’s copy).

Byron

On May 31, 2013, at 7:09 PM, “Nora” <von_drago@yahoo.com> wrote:

> If you haven’t been reading this string you should give it a look.
> Amongst the sturm und drang are some valid points and interesting ideas.
>
> For instance:
> renting equipment for the photographer if he has to travel
> covering that equipment under the con insurance
> including ordering information in the reg packets
> making sure that a full set of photos is donated to the Archives (my personal favorite)
>
> Shall we discuss?
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2584 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/1/2013
Subject: Re: photo discussion on the ICG-D list

Currently the ICG Archives are in a position to purchase, they have some
budget now. In the past it has certainly been paid for by others (thank you
Byron) including the current Archivists with no thought to re-imbursement
(essentially donated) and that will probably happen again. And some CCs have
donated a set of photos to the Archives.
It is up to each CC to make the decision whether to acquire a set for the
Archives if they’re interested, and budget for it. I’m not saying it should
come out of the photog’s pocket, I’d just like it to be more consistent.

Actually the CC site needs those photos too. It would probably be redundant
to ask for two sets but if a set were donated to the Archives it would then
be shared to the CC site for their records while the Archives retained the
original set for historical purposes.

Nora

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Byron Connell
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 8:34 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] photo discussion on the ICG-D list

While I do not have access to its details, at ChiCon 7, official photography
had its own budget lines, as it ought at any con (in my opinion). In
addition, in my opinion, any con should carry sufficient liability insurance
(usually in the form of an “inland marine” policy) to cover the potential
costs of damage or injury. This ought to be regarded as an obligation, the
same as paying the ASCAP/BMI license fees to use music at its events.

Neither Costume-Con nor any other con is an ICG function. If a CC decides
to donate a set of photos to the archives, well and good. Presumably, it
has budgeted the expense. If not, the ICG ought to be prepared to pay for a
set if it wants one (says someone who has, in the past, paid personally for
the archive’s copy).

Byron

On May 31, 2013, at 7:09 PM, “Nora” <von_drago@yahoo.com> wrote:

> If you haven’t been reading this string you should give it a look.
> Amongst the sturm und drang are some valid points and interesting ideas.
>
> For instance:
> renting equipment for the photographer if he has to travel covering
> that equipment under the con insurance including ordering information
> in the reg packets making sure that a full set of photos is donated to
> the Archives (my personal favorite)
>
> Shall we discuss?
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2585 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 6/3/2013
Subject: At last, motivation to write something…
I am prompted to write this here because of Nora’s requests on the ICG-D
list for the Doll contest participants and awards, and Kevin’s for the
Single Pattern Contest.

Back in the golden age, when I still was able to function as Costume-Con
Archivist, I found myself begging for event participant run lists and award
lists. Every. Single. Year.

I haven’t been able to attend a CC since 27 and I stepped down as Archivist
for 25.
Why are people still having to ask for this data? It should be a given by
now, and if it isn’t included in the ConStitution, it should be.

1. The documenting of our event participants and their awards (if any) is a
requirement at each Costume-Con, and Event Directors (Science
Fiction/Fantasy, Historical, Single Pattern, etc.) should plan to provide
this information *automatically* without question to whomever serves as CC
Archivist, for including in the online Costume-Con Archives.

Photographs should be arranged for ALL competitions and displays, for
archival purposes. Photographs should include any paper documentation (if
possible) to assist with labeling photographs received, and any printed
guides (for the exhibits or otherwise) should also be provided.

2. The current Costume-Con Archivist should be published on the site
clearly, so that CC event directors know to whom they need to send the
material.

My constant begging onsite was still insufficient to get the information
when people failed to be organized about keeping it.

Awards lists, while great for stoking egos onsite and after, are incomplete
information.

C’mon folks! It’s not that hard to get this information where it belongs.

Betsy




Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

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Group: runacc Message: 2586 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/3/2013
Subject: Re: At last, motivation to write something…
A side note: I had already posted the run order & awards for the SP before
Kevin asked for them.
Just so’s you know.

Nora

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Betsy Marks Delaney
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 6:27 AM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: [runacc] At last, motivation to write something…

I am prompted to write this here because of Nora’s requests on the ICG-D
list for the Doll contest participants and awards, and Kevin’s for the
Single Pattern Contest.

Back in the golden age, when I still was able to function as Costume-Con
Archivist, I found myself begging for event participant run lists and award
lists. Every. Single. Year.

I haven’t been able to attend a CC since 27 and I stepped down as Archivist
for 25.
Why are people still having to ask for this data? It should be a given by
now, and if it isn’t included in the ConStitution, it should be.

1. The documenting of our event participants and their awards (if any) is a
requirement at each Costume-Con, and Event Directors (Science
Fiction/Fantasy, Historical, Single Pattern, etc.) should plan to provide
this information *automatically* without question to whomever serves as CC
Archivist, for including in the online Costume-Con Archives.

Photographs should be arranged for ALL competitions and displays, for
archival purposes. Photographs should include any paper documentation (if
possible) to assist with labeling photographs received, and any printed
guides (for the exhibits or otherwise) should also be provided.

2. The current Costume-Con Archivist should be published on the site
clearly, so that CC event directors know to whom they need to send the
material.

My constant begging onsite was still insufficient to get the information
when people failed to be organized about keeping it.

Awards lists, while great for stoking egos onsite and after, are incomplete
information.

C’mon folks! It’s not that hard to get this information where it belongs.

Betsy




Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

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Group: runacc Message: 2587 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 6/3/2013
Subject: Re: At last, motivation to write something…

I did notice. I just wish I didn’t see the requests going up because the
info was neatly organized and handed to the archivist(s) at or immediately
after the con, without needing a request at all.

At least there was one good thing: I just read through the ConStitution for
the first time in about 8 years, and discovered it was still listing my old
Bowie address. Obviously the doc needs updating so now would be an
excellent time to gather together and review it for other
additions/corrections. And I understand that there’s a distinct need for a
web manager for the site, so if anyone is interested in stepping up, please
say something. The site’s not hard to maintain and if you have Gallery
experience already, that’s a big plus.

I can’t – chances continue to go down that I’ll attend Toronto next year as
it falls smack in the middle of the semester and will likely not be during
my spring break, and I’m in no position to resume those responsibilities.

The docs are here: http://www.costume-con.org/constitution.shtml

Thanks!

Betsy

On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 7:19 PM, Nora & Bruce Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> A side note: I had already posted the run order & awards for the SP before
> Kevin asked for them.
> Just so’s you know.
>
> Nora
>
> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Betsy Marks Delaney
> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 6:27 AM
> To: List, Run a CC
> Subject: [runacc] At last, motivation to write something…
>
> I am prompted to write this here because of Nora’s requests on the ICG-D
> list for the Doll contest participants and awards, and Kevin’s for the
> Single Pattern Contest.
>
> Back in the golden age, when I still was able to function as Costume-Con
> Archivist, I found myself begging for event participant run lists and award
> lists. Every. Single. Year.
>
> I haven’t been able to attend a CC since 27 and I stepped down as Archivist
> for 25.
> Why are people still having to ask for this data? It should be a given by
> now, and if it isn’t included in the ConStitution, it should be.
>
> 1. The documenting of our event participants and their awards (if any) is a
> requirement at each Costume-Con, and Event Directors (Science
> Fiction/Fantasy, Historical, Single Pattern, etc.) should plan to provide
> this information *automatically* without question to whomever serves as CC
> Archivist, for including in the online Costume-Con Archives.
>
> Photographs should be arranged for ALL competitions and displays, for
> archival purposes. Photographs should include any paper documentation (if
> possible) to assist with labeling photographs received, and any printed
> guides (for the exhibits or otherwise) should also be provided.
>
> 2. The current Costume-Con Archivist should be published on the site
> clearly, so that CC event directors know to whom they need to send the
> material.
>
>
> My constant begging onsite was still insufficient to get the information
> when people failed to be organized about keeping it.
>
> Awards lists, while great for stoking egos onsite and after, are incomplete
> information.
>
> C’mon folks! It’s not that hard to get this information where it belongs.
>
> Betsy
>
> —
> —
> —
> Betsy Marks Delaney
>
> http://www.hawkeswood.com/
>
>
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>
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Group: runacc Message: 2588 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/3/2013
Subject: Re: At last, motivation to write something…

little of the contact info on the constitution is valid anymore. that phone numbers been dead since 2010, it was the old castle blood business number.

Gravely MacCabre
http://www.castleblood.com
http://facebook.com/gravelymaccabre
http://etsy.com/shops/gravelymaccabre

tv show clip samples at
http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood

________________________________
From: Betsy Marks Delaney <aramintamd@gmail.com>
To: “List, Run a CC” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] At last, motivation to write something…

I did notice. I just wish I didn’t see the requests going up because the
info was neatly organized and handed to the archivist(s) at or immediately
after the con, without needing a request at all.

At least there was one good thing: I just read through the ConStitution for
the first time in about 8 years, and discovered it was still listing my old
Bowie address. Obviously the doc needs updating so now would be an
excellent time to gather together and review it for other
additions/corrections. And I understand that there’s a distinct need for a
web manager for the site, so if anyone is interested in stepping up, please
say something. The site’s not hard to maintain and if you have Gallery
experience already, that’s a big plus.

I can’t – chances continue to go down that I’ll attend Toronto next year as
it falls smack in the middle of the semester and will likely not be during
my spring break, and I’m in no position to resume those responsibilities.

The docs are here: http://www.costume-con.org/constitution.shtml

Thanks!

Betsy

On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 7:19 PM, Nora & Bruce Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> A side note: I had already posted the run order & awards for the SP before
> Kevin asked for them.
> Just so’s you know.
>
> Nora
>
> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Betsy Marks Delaney
> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 6:27 AM
> To: List, Run a CC
> Subject: [runacc] At last, motivation to write something…
>
> I am prompted to write this here because of Nora’s requests on the ICG-D
> list for the Doll contest participants and awards, and Kevin’s for the
> Single Pattern Contest.
>
> Back in the golden age, when I still was able to function as Costume-Con
> Archivist, I found myself begging for event participant run lists and award
> lists. Every. Single. Year.
>
> I haven’t been able to attend a CC since 27 and I stepped down as Archivist
> for 25.
> Why are people still having to ask for this data? It should be a given by
> now, and if it isn’t included in the ConStitution, it should be.
>
> 1. The documenting of our event participants and their awards (if any) is a
> requirement at each Costume-Con, and Event Directors (Science
> Fiction/Fantasy, Historical, Single Pattern, etc.) should plan to provide
> this information *automatically* without question to whomever serves as CC
> Archivist, for including in the online Costume-Con Archives.
>
> Photographs should be arranged for ALL competitions and displays, for
> archival purposes. Photographs should include any paper documentation (if
> possible) to assist with labeling photographs received, and any printed
> guides (for the exhibits or otherwise) should also be provided.
>
> 2. The current Costume-Con Archivist should be published on the site
> clearly, so that CC event directors know to whom they need to send the
> material.
>
>
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Group: runacc Message: 2589 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 6/3/2013
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Cons and membership upgrades

Moving over here for what may or may not be idle speculation:

Could someone purchase an event “ticket”/”membership” to enter an event,
not just attend? Or would the need for a rehearsal time outside of the
membership be used to make this invalid?

On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Kaijugal . <kaijugal@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I agree. This is something I feel that we may adopt for CC32. ^_^ It’s not
> an upcharge but a select ticket and
> it makes sense. 🙂
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> Dawn McKechnie – Costume-Con 32 Chair.
> Toronto, ON – April 25-28 2014
> www.costumecon32.com
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Group: runacc Message: 2590 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/3/2013
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Cons and membership upgrades

i think they need at least the full one day pass to compete that day. I would not argue if the rule was full attending memberships, but that is above my pay grade to decide

Gravely MacCabre
http://www.castleblood.com
http://facebook.com/gravelymaccabre
http://etsy.com/shops/gravelymaccabre

tv show clip samples at
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To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
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Subject: [runacc] Re: [ICG-D] Cons and membership upgrades

Moving over here for what may or may not be idle speculation:

Could someone purchase an event “ticket”/”membership” to enter an event,
not just attend? Or would the need for a rehearsal time outside of the
membership be used to make this invalid?

On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Kaijugal . <kaijugal@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I agree. This is something I feel that we may adopt for CC32. ^_^ It’s not
> an upcharge but a select ticket and
> it makes sense. 🙂
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> Dawn McKechnie – Costume-Con 32 Chair.
> Toronto, ON – April 25-28 2014
> www.costumecon32.com
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> To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com
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Group: runacc Message: 2591 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/3/2013
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Cons and membership upgrades

I agree. At least a one-day membership.

Byron

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> i think they need at least the full one day pass to compete that day. I would not argue if the rule was full attending memberships, but that is above my pay grade to decide
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> http://etsy.com/shops/gravelymaccabre
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> > Toronto, ON – April 25-28 2014
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Group: runacc Message: 2592 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/4/2013
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Cons and membership upgrades

You’d have to ask Henry but I know that one entrant at CC31 wanted to just
enter the FSF and (I think) Henry told him that he’d probably have to pay
for at least a one-day, Saturday.
I overheard part of this cause I was taking entrants for the SP right next
to him, but he’d have to give you the factual details.

Nora

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From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Aurora Celeste
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 8:08 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] Re: [ICG-D] Cons and membership upgrades

Moving over here for what may or may not be idle speculation:

Could someone purchase an event “ticket”/”membership” to enter an event,
not just attend? Or would the need for a rehearsal time outside of the
membership be used to make this invalid?

On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Kaijugal . <kaijugal@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I agree. This is something I feel that we may adopt for CC32. ^_^ It’s not
> an upcharge but a select ticket and
> it makes sense. 🙂
>
> Dawn McKechnie – Costume-Con 32 Chair.
> Toronto, ON – April 25-28 2014
> www.costumecon32.com
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> To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com
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Group: runacc Message: 2593 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/4/2013
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Cons and membership upgrades

I think what is being discussed is a pass just to watch an evening masquerade for
moms and dads and friends and whatnot.

Dawn McKechnie – Costume-Con 32 Chair.
Toronto, ON – April 25-28 2014
www.costumecon32.com

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: auroraceleste@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 21:08:05 -0400
Subject: [runacc] Re: [ICG-D] Cons and membership upgrades

Moving over here for what may or may not be idle speculation:

Could someone purchase an event “ticket”/”membership” to enter an event,

not just attend? Or would the need for a rehearsal time outside of the

membership be used to make this invalid?

On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Kaijugal . <kaijugal@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I agree. This is something I feel that we may adopt for CC32. ^_^ It’s not

> an upcharge but a select ticket and

> it makes sense. 🙂

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> Dawn McKechnie – Costume-Con 32 Chair.

> Toronto, ON – April 25-28 2014

> www.costumecon32.com

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Group: runacc Message: 2594 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 6/4/2013
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Cons and membership upgrades

Well, that depends.

The question of how much membership one has to have in order to compete is
not addressed in the ConStitution and has been left up to the individual CC
organizers, so there is no consistent policy either with the availability
of event passes (a better name, I think, than tickets for a variety of
reasons) or with what the minimum membership requirements should be for
allowing competition.

It’s been almost 10 years since I had my head in the document and over 15
since the document was written. I no longer recall all the details that
went into what we included and did not include in its structure. There were
reasons why we opted not to include the finer details (what memberships
should cover, etc) which I think had to do with the differences between how
each conference determined its costs. Whether to include publications or
not, how much those publications cost, room rates and so on – all of these
affect the cost of a membership because in theory the membership is
supposed to cover all the expenses with perhaps a little left over as
cushion against the unexpected, to be paid forward to future CCs once the
books have been balanced, all accounts payable brought back to zero and
everyone reimbursed for expenses as defined by the organization.

That leaves us with the nearly annual discussion of what a membership
should cover and what the minimum requirements should be for entering
competition.

It’s a fine line between offering enough to justify the cost of the
membership and covering the costs by ensuring enough memberships are sold.
That’s why the CCXV budget had so many sliding budget totals. Some of the
expenses were fixed. Others were…less fixed. And some of the found money
helped cover surprise expenses. I can’t speak for the other CCs and the
dollar amounts for CCXV look abnormally small considering today’s costs,
but if you expand for the rate of inflation, the expenses only change by
what you decide the CC is willing to cover in exchange for the membership.

If the stats hold true, most of the membership sales occur within the 9
months prior to the con itself. So if you have advance things that need to
be covered, you need to account for the costs. If you can afford, once the
time goes by, to allow one-day memberships, setting the price of that
membership is based on what the person receives as a result.

Hope this makes sense. As I mentioned offlist yesterday, it’s all sliding
scale, starting with the most expensive (Full-price) membership and is
reduced by discount from there. Upcharges are deceptive and can generate
ill will. People are generally happier if they think they’re getting
something for slightly less, even if that slightly less also includes
reduced access to certain things.

If you can afford to give discounts, that’s what you should do. If not,
then the full price membership is the only way to go. Allowing for early
bird discounts gives the buyer incentive to give you money to spend in
advance.

IMNSHO, that’s how you should be looking at the membership structure for
any given event, not just CC.

Does that make sense?

Betsy

On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Kaijugal . <kaijugal@hotmail.com> wrote:

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> I think what is being discussed is a pass just to watch an evening
> masquerade for
> moms and dads and friends and whatnot.
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> Dawn McKechnie – Costume-Con 32 Chair.
> Toronto, ON – April 25-28 2014
> www.costumecon32.com
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> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: auroraceleste@gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 21:08:05 -0400
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Group: runacc Message: 2595 From: tinathebookworm Date: 6/4/2013
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Cons and membership upgrades

My impression is that this thread started out that way, but got blended into/segued into “what sort of membership or admission would someone have to pay to compete/perform in a competition” (since only members may do so), hence the comments about rehearsal time in addition to the actual competition time. Rehearsals are normally earlier in the day, which would probably mean a one-day membership.

A “friends and family pass” rate would be a good thing, if there is likely to be a demand for such. Might even get some extra onlookers hooked on our hobby (the Gosh Wow! effect).

Tina

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Kaijugal .” <kaijugal@…> wrote:
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> I think what is being discussed is a pass just to watch an evening masquerade for
> moms and dads and friends and whatnot.
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> Dawn McKechnie – Costume-Con 32 Chair.
> Toronto, ON – April 25-28 2014
> www.costumecon32.com
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> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: auroraceleste@…
> Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 21:08:05 -0400
> Subject: [runacc] Re: [ICG-D] Cons and membership upgrades
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> Moving over here for what may or may not be idle speculation:
>
> Could someone purchase an event “ticket”/”membership” to enter an event,
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> not just attend? Or would the need for a rehearsal time outside of the
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> membership be used to make this invalid?
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> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Kaijugal . <kaijugal@…> wrote:
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Group: runacc Message: 2596 From: spiritof_76 Date: 6/4/2013
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Cons and membership upgrades

It has always been my understanding that to enter a masquerade, you
have to have at least a one day membership for the day of the
masquerade.

Michael

On 2013-06-04 04:16, Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:
> You’d have to ask Henry but I know that one entrant at CC31 wanted to
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> pay
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> I overheard part of this cause I was taking entrants for the SP right
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Group: runacc Message: 2597 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 6/4/2013
Subject: Re: At last, motivation to write something…

At 06:27 AM 6/3/2013, you wrote:

Must agree with Betsy. This is always an on-going struggle. Not just
from Costume-Cons, but conventions in general. It amazes me that some
MDs don’t seem to actually keep records of their events. Not just old
ones, but ones just completed.

The Archivists (me, Bruce and Nora Mai) would always appreciate this
information; not just a winners list, but a complete list of the
running order and staff. If anyone has this for ANY masquerade,
please forward it to us. Our e-mails are in our posts.

Older masquerades are particularly appreciated.

Pierre

> I am prompted to write this here because of Nora’s requests on the ICG-D
>list for the Doll contest participants and awards, and Kevin’s for the
>Single Pattern Contest.
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>Archivist, I found myself begging for event participant run lists and award
>lists. Every. Single. Year.
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>for 25.
>Why are people still having to ask for this data? It should be a given by
>now, and if it isn’t included in the ConStitution, it should be.
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>requirement at each Costume-Con, and Event Directors (Science
>Fiction/Fantasy, Historical, Single Pattern, etc.) should plan to provide
>this information *automatically* without question to whomever serves as CC
>Archivist, for including in the online Costume-Con Archives.
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>Photographs should be arranged for ALL competitions and displays, for
>archival purposes. Photographs should include any paper documentation (if
>possible) to assist with labeling photographs received, and any printed
>guides (for the exhibits or otherwise) should also be provided.
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>clearly, so that CC event directors know to whom they need to send the
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>when people failed to be organized about keeping it.
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>Betsy
>Betsy Marks Delaney
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International Costumers’ Guild Archivist

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“Those Who Fail to Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly –
Why They Are Simply Doomed.”

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“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
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Group: runacc Message: 2598 From: dandyhank Date: 6/5/2013
Subject: Re: Digest Number 698

Nora,
You are correct. I could not think of the correct answer. I believe
Aurora suggested to him he go talk to Registration. He bought a one-day
membership. That was the Darth Maul Cyborg.
Henry

In a message dated 6/5/2013 2:57:08 AM Central Daylight Time,
runacc@yahoogroups.com writes:

> 1a. Re: [ICG-D] Cons and membership upgrades
> Posted by: “Nora &Bruce Mai” casamai@sbcglobal.net casamai
> Date: Tue Jun 4, 2013 4:15 am ((PDT))
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> You’d have to ask Henry but I know that one entrant at CC31 wanted to just
> enter the FSF and (I think) Henry told him that he’d probably have to pay
> for at least a one-day, Saturday.
> I overheard part of this cause I was taking entrants for the SP right next
> to him, but he’d have to give you the factual details.

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Group: runacc Message: 2599 From: staceylee25 Date: 6/5/2013
Subject: Masquerades in general
Not that I want to derail the current topic entirely (it’s good to discuss, I’m reading avidly) but I’m reminded of something I’ve been intending to ask the runacc conclave for a few months now. No time like the present, given the topic.

While I’ve never personally directed a masquerade, I’ve competed in more than I can count, judged somewhere around 8-10, and lived in the same household as two directors, as well as been to 4 CCs now. I feel like I have a pretty good grasp of how a quality masquerade is run and judged. That’s not to say I’m not going to take a few steps to double-reassure myself but that’s not for this discussion. But given the foibles seen at CC31, which I’m also not going to review just now, there has been a lot of talk of “but CC is different!”

HOW different?

I want to know whether there are any actual structural, logistical differences between CostumeCon and any major genre convention that uses ICG guidelines (Archon, CONvergence, etc), or if the difference is only in expectations. Because when I break down the details, from where I sit, it looks like the way the masquerade is run is pretty much exactly the same as anything I’ve judged, competed in, or helped run. The only difference that I can see is that there are subjective expectations that differ from genre cons. And, anyone who has spent any length of time hanging around CC vets will pick up some of that subjectivity by listening to their opinions.

This matters to me because I wanted to know whether implementing a slightly different judging system and awards structure (while still adhering to the standard “Merit deserves reward” philosophy) would cause people to flip tables, or if it was up to the whim of the director. Informal surveying has only ever given me the answer “it’s up to the director.” And, it also matters because I’m concerned that costumers from younger chapters may not be encouraged to step up and become the next generation of CC directors, judges, and volunteers when they’re intimidated by talk of how different it is. If we continually dump masquerade responsibilities on the same vets every year, do we not risk burning them out while also not ever training up the next generation to take their place?

I’d like to hear general opinions on what the vets believe is so “different” about a CC masquerade compared to any midsize-to-large genre con that runs using ICG guidelines. I’m not talking about the popularity contests at GenCon or the ridiculous lack of standards for workmanship at rinky-dink first-year anime and relaxicons, I’m talking about competitions that are generally understood as being some of the best-run and best-judged. IS there a difference? If so, what IS the difference? Is it only in how people feel like the entrants should be treated? In how many awards should be given out? The atmosphere backstage? Or is there some kind of secret handshake that only CC directors know that has to be taught?

It’s not going to stop me from directing, but I’m curious to hear opinions.

Stace
MACS vp and CC34 secretary

 

Group: runacc Message: 2600 From: Jamie Butler Date: 6/5/2013
Subject: Re: Masquerades in general
Thank you for putting this out here stace. I honestly was too terrified to ask myself after judging in this year’s st masq. I was all set to be CC34’s historical masquerade director and after reading the emails and seeing how passionate everyone got about what a CC masquerade should be, I’ve questioned if I should all together.

Jamie Butler
President of Madison Area Costuming Society
Member of the Guilde of St George

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Group: runacc Message: 2601 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/5/2013
Subject: Re: At last, motivation to write something…
Back in the day – when Carl was both videographer & archivist – we were still begging for those lists. I spent many hours watching and re-watching masquerades to catch names. And not only were contestants’ name hard to decipher, the names of the entries were impossible without getting them written out for us in advance —- Thanks, Sandy & Pierre 😢

Elaine

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com

From: costumrs@radiks.net

Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 16:17:21 -0500

Subject: Re: [runacc] At last, motivation to write something…

At 06:27 AM 6/3/2013, you wrote:

Must agree with Betsy. This is always an on-going struggle. Not just

from Costume-Cons, but conventions in general. It amazes me that some

MDs don’t seem to actually keep records of their events. Not just old

ones, but ones just completed.

The Archivists (me, Bruce and Nora Mai) would always appreciate this

information; not just a winners list, but a complete list of the

running order and staff. If anyone has this for ANY masquerade,

please forward it to us. Our e-mails are in our posts.

Older masquerades are particularly appreciated.

Pierre

 

> I am prompted to write this here because of Nora’s requests on the ICG-D

>list for the Doll contest participants and awards, and Kevin’s for the

>Single Pattern Contest.

>

>Back in the golden age, when I still was able to function as Costume-Con

>Archivist, I found myself begging for event participant run lists and award

>lists. Every. Single. Year.

>

>I haven’t been able to attend a CC since 27 and I stepped down as Archivist

>for 25.

>Why are people still having to ask for this data? It should be a given by

>now, and if it isn’t included in the ConStitution, it should be.

>

>1. The documenting of our event participants and their awards (if any) is a

>requirement at each Costume-Con, and Event Directors (Science

>Fiction/Fantasy, Historical, Single Pattern, etc.) should plan to provide

>this information *automatically* without question to whomever serves as CC

>Archivist, for including in the online Costume-Con Archives.

>

>Photographs should be arranged for ALL competitions and displays, for

>archival purposes. Photographs should include any paper documentation (if

>possible) to assist with labeling photographs received, and any printed

>guides (for the exhibits or otherwise) should also be provided.

>

>2. The current Costume-Con Archivist should be published on the site

>clearly, so that CC event directors know to whom they need to send the

>material.

>

>My constant begging onsite was still insufficient to get the information

>when people failed to be organized about keeping it.

>

>Awards lists, while great for stoking egos onsite and after, are incomplete

>information.

>

>C’mon folks! It’s not that hard to get this information where it belongs.

>

>Betsy

>Betsy Marks Delaney

><http://www.hawkeswood.com/>http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

International Costumers’ Guild Archivist

http://www.costume.org/gallery2/main.php

“Those Who Fail to Learn History

Are Doomed to Repeat It;

Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly –

Why They Are Simply Doomed.”

Achemdro’hm

“The Illusion of Historical Fact”

— C. Y. 4971

Andromeda

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Group: runacc Message: 2602 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/5/2013
Subject: Re: Masquerades in general
Wow. That’s a complicated question – or so it feels like to me.

First, there are the obvious differences in the cons themselves. That’s a whole ‘nuther topic, but it should be discussed with committees that are only familiar with the standard SF, anime or other cons.

Personally, I believe that dept. heads of up-coming CCs should attach themselves to the current heads of thos same depts. They should be that person’s assistant for the duration of the CC – not just for the actual masquerade. All MDs begin their con with masquerade registration, continue with rehearsals, proceed through the Green Room to the Masqerade, move on to judging and awards, and doesn’t end until all of the records and ephemera are completed. Even after the con, there are things to be attended to. To learn how to run any dept, not just MD, you really should do that.

Denice Girardeau & I spent CC4 in that manner so that we could run a credible CC5.

It’s a huge mistake to equate other experience to CCs, because the level of competition is often – not always – higher, and the expectation are definitely higher. And CCs really are different.

Also, in terms of budgets, Green Room, tech & photography are NOT part of any one masquerade’s budget. They are up and running for the entire con, and are their own departments, with their budgets, like masquerade budgets, part of the total con budget. Each MD works with – not over – those departments. That in itself is a huge difference.

Elaine Mami
CC30’s Recliner

Not that I want to derail the current topic entirely (it’s good to discuss, I’m reading avidly) but I’m reminded of something I’ve been intending to ask the runacc conclave for a few months now. No time like the present, given the topic.

While I’ve never personally directed a masquerade, I’ve competed in more than I can count, judged somewhere around 8-10, and lived in the same household as two directors, as well as been to 4 CCs now. I feel like I have a pretty good grasp of how a quality masquerade is run and judged. That’s not to say I’m not going to take a few steps to double-reassure myself but that’s not for this discussion. But given the foibles seen at CC31, which I’m also not going to review just now, there has been a lot of talk of “but CC is different!”

HOW different?

I want to know whether there are any actual structural, logistical differences between CostumeCon and any major genre convention that uses ICG guidelines (Archon, CONvergence, etc), or if the difference is only in expectations. Because when I break down the details, from where I sit, it looks like the way the masquerade is run is pretty much exactly the same as anything I’ve judged, competed in, or helped run. The only difference that I can see is that there are subjective expectations that differ from genre cons. And, anyone who has spent any length of time hanging around CC vets will pick up some of that subjectivity by listening to their opinions.

This matters to me because I wanted to know whether implementing a slightly different judging system and awards structure (while still adhering to the standard “Merit deserves reward” philosophy) would cause people to flip tables, or if it was up to the whim of the director. Informal surveying has only ever given me the answer “it’s up to the director.” And, it also matters because I’m concerned that costumers from younger chapters may not be encouraged to step up and become the next generation of CC directors, judges, and volunteers when they’re intimidated by talk of how different it is. If we continually dump masquerade responsibilities on the same vets every year, do we not risk burning them out while also not ever training up the next generation to take their place?

I’d like to hear general opinions on what the vets believe is so “different” about a CC masquerade compared to any midsize-to-large genre con that runs using ICG guidelines. I’m not talking about the popularity contests at GenCon or the ridiculous lack of standards for workmanship at rinky-dink first-year anime and relaxicons, I’m talking about competitions that are generally understood as being some of the best-run and best-judged. IS there a difference? If so, what IS the difference? Is it only in how people feel like the entrants should be treated? In how many awards should be given out? The atmosphere backstage? Or is there some kind of secret handshake that only CC directors know that has to be taught?

It’s not going to stop me from directing, but I’m curious to hear opinions.

Stace

MACS vp and CC34 secretary

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Group: runacc Message: 2603 From: Kevin Roche Date: 6/5/2013
Subject: Re: Masquerades in general

In my experience, the CC SF&F Masquerade is in most ways similar to a
well-run high-level masquerade.

The Historical is different, because there has evolved an expectation that
all garments must be examined up close by all judges. This requires setting
up an interview schedule for all entries, which is quite different from the
way a “standard” masquerade is judged. (Personally, I’d like to see CC find
a space for the “I just want to go across the stage” kind of entry in the
historical, but that is a different discussion).

Elaine’s comments about the shared technical services is a good one,
although at Worldcon, the Hugos and Masquerade also usually share a setup.

Kevin

On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Jamie Butler <utopianqueen2000@yahoo.com>wrote:

> Thank you for putting this out here stace. I honestly was too terrified to
> ask myself after judging in this year’s st masq. I was all set to be CC34’s
> historical masquerade director and after reading the emails and seeing how
> passionate everyone got about what a CC masquerade should be, I’ve
> questioned if I should all together.
>
> Jamie Butler
> President of Madison Area Costuming Society
> Member of the Guilde of St George
>
>
>
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Group: runacc Message: 2502 From: Martin Gear Date: 10/30/2012
Subject: Re: historical workmanship judging guidelines
Group: runacc Message: 2503 From: Martin Gear Date: 10/30/2012
Subject: Re: one day memberships and masquerade entries
Group: runacc Message: 2504 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 10/30/2012
Subject: Re: one day memberships and masquerade entries
Group: runacc Message: 2505 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 10/30/2012
Subject: Re: one day memberships and masquerade entries
Group: runacc Message: 2506 From: Byron Connell Date: 10/31/2012
Subject: Re: one day memberships and masquerade entries
Group: runacc Message: 2507 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 11/1/2012
Subject: Re: one day memberships and masquerade entries
Group: runacc Message: 2508 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 11/1/2012
Subject: Re: one day memberships and masquerade entries
Group: runacc Message: 2509 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 12/4/2012
Subject: Invites for the CC bidders
Group: runacc Message: 2510 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 12/4/2012
Subject: Re: Invites for the CC bidders
Group: runacc Message: 2511 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 12/30/2012
Subject: Re: Invites for the CC bidders
Group: runacc Message: 2512 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 1/5/2013
Subject: Costume-Con 31 Progress Report 2
Group: runacc Message: 2513 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 1/5/2013
Subject: CC34 bid?
Group: runacc Message: 2514 From: Byron Connell Date: 1/5/2013
Subject: Re: CC34 bid?
Group: runacc Message: 2515 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 1/5/2013
Subject: Re: CC34 bid?
Group: runacc Message: 2516 From: Sarah Bloy Date: 1/6/2013
Subject: Re: CC34 bid?
Group: runacc Message: 2517 From: Kaijugal . Date: 1/7/2013
Subject: Re: CC34 bid?
Group: runacc Message: 2518 From: staceylee25 Date: 1/9/2013
Subject: Re: CC34 bid?
Group: runacc Message: 2519 From: Byron Connell Date: 1/9/2013
Subject: Re: CC34 bid?
Group: runacc Message: 2520 From: Jamie Butler Date: 1/9/2013
Subject: Re: CC34 bid?
Group: runacc Message: 2521 From: dandyhank Date: 1/26/2013
Subject: Paging Dawn M!
Group: runacc Message: 2522 From: dandyhank Date: 1/29/2013
Subject: Paging Sandy Swank!
Group: runacc Message: 2523 From: spiritof_76 Date: 1/29/2013
Subject: award ribbons
Group: runacc Message: 2524 From: Marg Grady Date: 1/30/2013
Subject: Re: Award Ribbons
Group: runacc Message: 2525 From: Kevin Roche Date: 1/30/2013
Subject: Re: Award Ribbons
Group: runacc Message: 2526 From: Martin Gear Date: 1/30/2013
Subject: Re: award ribbons
Group: runacc Message: 2527 From: Byron Connell Date: 1/30/2013
Subject: Re: Award Ribbons
Group: runacc Message: 2528 From: spiritof_76 Date: 1/30/2013
Subject: Re: award ribbons
Group: runacc Message: 2529 From: spiritof_76 Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: canadian vendors at US cons
Group: runacc Message: 2530 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: Re: award ribbons
Group: runacc Message: 2531 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: Re: award ribbons
Group: runacc Message: 2532 From: Martin Gear Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: Re: award ribbons
Group: runacc Message: 2533 From: Byron Connell Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: Re: award ribbons
Group: runacc Message: 2534 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 2/1/2013
Subject: Re: canadian vendors at US cons
Group: runacc Message: 2535 From: Byron Connell Date: 2/28/2013
Subject: What Happened to CC 13?
Group: runacc Message: 2536 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 2/28/2013
Subject: Re: What Happened to CC 13?
Group: runacc Message: 2537 From: Kevin Roche Date: 3/1/2013
Subject: Re: What Happened to CC 13?
Group: runacc Message: 2538 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 3/1/2013
Subject: Re: What Happened to CC 13?
Group: runacc Message: 2539 From: Kevin Roche Date: 3/1/2013
Subject: Re: What Happened to CC 13?
Group: runacc Message: 2540 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 3/1/2013
Subject: Re: What Happened to CC 13?
Group: runacc Message: 2541 From: spiritof_76 Date: 4/17/2013
Subject: folio at the door
Group: runacc Message: 2542 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 4/17/2013
Subject: Re: folio at the door
Group: runacc Message: 2543 From: Trudy Leonard Date: 4/17/2013
Subject: Re: folio at the door
Group: runacc Message: 2544 From: spiritof_76 Date: 4/17/2013
Subject: Re: folio at the door
Group: runacc Message: 2545 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 4/17/2013
Subject: Re: folio at the door
Group: runacc Message: 2546 From: Elaine Sims Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: Re: folio at the door
Group: runacc Message: 2547 From: ma0902432 Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: Re: folio at the door
Group: runacc Message: 2548 From: Byron Connell Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: Re: folio at the door
Group: runacc Message: 2549 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: Re: folio at the door
Group: runacc Message: 2550 From: Byron Connell Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: Re: folio at the door
Group: runacc Message: 2551 From: Elaine Mami Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: Re: folio at the door

 


 

Group: runacc Message: 2502 From: Martin Gear Date: 10/30/2012
Subject: Re: historical workmanship judging guidelines

FWIIW, unless one is reproducing a historic garment prior to the 1830’s
I see no objection to machine sewing, and in fact if the garment is
recreation/interpretation rather than a reproduction (or whatever set of
terms is being used) I don’t really mind someone using a sewing machine
for the earlier garments. I have judged too many costumes where the
contestant went on a great length about how much time they had spent
hand sewing something (poorly) when it would have looked much better had
the main seams been sewn on the most basic of machines. My one
grandfather was a Greek tailor and my one cousin has his PhD in costume
design. Both of them are capable of perfect hand sewing garments, and
both used/use sewing machines where ever possible.

Marty (wearing his judges hat.)

On 10/28/2012 11:26 PM, bruno@soulmasque.com wrote:
>
> I had someone ask me yesterday if there are judging guidelines for the
> historical workmanship so that people know exactly what they are being
> judged on. The question came from someone who is a pretty serious
> historical costumer, is a past officer in Costume Society of America and
> never been to CC. Is more weight given to hand sewing or is machine
> sewing acceptable for the historical?
>
> Michael
>
>
>
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Group: runacc Message: 2503 From: Martin Gear Date: 10/30/2012
Subject: Re: one day memberships and masquerade entries

I’m pretty sure that we (CC-27) permitted one day memberships to
compete, particularly in the case of groups. Also, I never close my
registration prior to the afternoon on the day of the masquerade. I’ve
seen too many cases where weird transportation problems have delayed
people getting there.
Marty
Marty

On 10/29/2012 11:09 PM, bruno@soulmasque.com wrote:
>
> A recent thought on one day memberships . . . at most conventions, one
> could get a one day membership for Saturday only, register for the
> masquerade that day and be in the masquerade. However, I think at CC,
> masquerade registration traditionally closes on Friday night. Are
> people allowed to enter the masquerades with only a membership for the
> day of the masquerade. I know we generally want full weekend attending
> memberships, but we could lose potential masquerade entries and one day
> memberships.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Michael
> CC31
>
>
>
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Group: runacc Message: 2504 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 10/30/2012
Subject: Re: one day memberships and masquerade entries

Does registration until Noon on the day of the Historical leave enough
time for workmanship judging and tech?

Michael

On 2012-10-30 11:21, Martin Gear wrote:
> I’m pretty sure that we (CC-27) permitted one day memberships to
> compete, particularly in the case of groups. Also, I never close my
> registration prior to the afternoon on the day of the masquerade.
> I’ve
> seen too many cases where weird transportation problems have delayed
> people getting there.
> Marty

 

Group: runacc Message: 2505 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 10/30/2012
Subject: Re: one day memberships and masquerade entries

I believe reg on historical usually ends on friday and Sat/Sun are judging.

On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 8:35 PM, <bruno@soulmasque.com> wrote:

> Does registration until Noon on the day of the Historical leave enough
> time for workmanship judging and tech?
>
> Michael
>
>
> On 2012-10-30 11:21, Martin Gear wrote:
> > I’m pretty sure that we (CC-27) permitted one day memberships to
> > compete, particularly in the case of groups. Also, I never close my
> > registration prior to the afternoon on the day of the masquerade.
> > I’ve
> > seen too many cases where weird transportation problems have delayed
> > people getting there.
> > Marty
>
>
>
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Group: runacc Message: 2506 From: Byron Connell Date: 10/31/2012
Subject: Re: one day memberships and masquerade entries

Yes, because entrants who register early can begin workmanship judging, and maybe tech, early. Those registering later will have fewer time slots from which to choose. (I prefer 10-minute tech rehearsal slots; however, others prefer briefer periods.) For a Sunday historical, it may even be possible to begin workmanship judging on Saturday (the judges willing and the space available). Beginning the day before might not be feasible for a Saturday historical.

Byron

On Oct 30, 2012, at 8:35 PM, bruno@soulmasque.com wrote:

> Does registration until Noon on the day of the Historical leave enough
> time for workmanship judging and tech?
>
> Michael
>
> On 2012-10-30 11:21, Martin Gear wrote:
> > I’m pretty sure that we (CC-27) permitted one day memberships to
> > compete, particularly in the case of groups. Also, I never close my
> > registration prior to the afternoon on the day of the masquerade.
> > I’ve
> > seen too many cases where weird transportation problems have delayed
> > people getting there.
> > Marty
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2507 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 11/1/2012
Subject: Re: one day memberships and masquerade entries
If you’re talking SF, then yeah, Noon on Saturday is more normal.

Bruce

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From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bruno@soulmasque.com
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 10:09 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] one day memberships and masquerade entries

A recent thought on one day memberships . . . at most conventions, one could get a one day membership for Saturday only, register for the masquerade that day and be in the masquerade. However, I think at CC, masquerade registration traditionally closes on Friday night. Are people allowed to enter the masquerades with only a membership for the day of the masquerade. I know we generally want full weekend attending memberships, but we could lose potential masquerade entries and one day memberships.

Thoughts?

Michael
CC31

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Group: runacc Message: 2508 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 11/1/2012
Subject: Re: one day memberships and masquerade entries
If the masquerade director allows for electronic documentation as well as
paper back-up, and electronic registration, I don’t see why a one-day
membership for Sunday wouldn’t work. Considering the historically (heh)
lower rates of entries in the Historical Masquerade, I’d think any excuse
to add folks would be welcome.

My own $0.02. Your mileage may vary…

-b



Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

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Group: runacc Message: 2509 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 12/4/2012
Subject: Invites for the CC bidders
Who handles these – Betsy?

Bruce

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Group: runacc Message: 2510 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 12/4/2012
Subject: Re: Invites for the CC bidders

Karen and I are the only admins for the group.

All the subscription info is below. Or just shoot an email to
runacc-owner@yahoogroups.com (I think).

Thanks!

Betsy

On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 10:56 PM, Nora & Bruce Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Who handles these – Betsy?
>
>
>
> Bruce
>
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> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>




Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

Group: runacc Message: 2511 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 12/30/2012
Subject: Re: Invites for the CC bidders

I believe there are a couple of Madison folks who should be on this list.
Of course, it’s been ages since I followed this up. I know there is at
least one or two. Could those folks speak up?

Bruce

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From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Betsy Marks Delaney
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 10:01 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Invites for the CC bidders

Karen and I are the only admins for the group.

All the subscription info is below. Or just shoot an email to
runacc-owner@yahoogroups.com (I think).

Thanks!

Betsy

On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 10:56 PM, Nora & Bruce Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

> Who handles these – Betsy?
>
>
>
> Bruce
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo!
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Group: runacc Message: 2512 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 1/5/2013
Subject: Costume-Con 31 Progress Report 2
It has just been emailed to all Attendees and Supporting memberships,
persons who have signed up for our mailing list, and everyone on the
Perpetual CC email list. Paper copies will go out by mail to persons
who requested those on Monday.

<http://cc31denver.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=e618552d20e92f7e04e2525f4&id=a5deba8d9d&e=d113f0fb03>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2513 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 1/5/2013
Subject: CC34 bid?
Has there been an official announcement of the CC34 bid? When do we
need mail the ballots for early voting?

Thanks.

Michael

 

Group: runacc Message: 2514 From: Byron Connell Date: 1/5/2013
Subject: Re: CC34 bid?

Not one that I’ve seen.

Byron

On Jan 5, 2013, at 6:03 PM, bruno@soulmasque.com wrote:

> Has there been an official announcement of the CC34 bid? When do we
> need mail the ballots for early voting?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Michael
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2515 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 1/5/2013
Subject: Re: CC34 bid?

In a message dated 1/5/2013 5:03:05 PM Central Standard Time,
bruno@soulmasque.com writes:

> Has there been an official announcement of the CC34 bid? When do we
> need mail the ballots for early voting?
>
>
>

There is one from Madison, Wisconsin. Karen does know about it. Last I
knew, ballots need to go out three months before the con.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2516 From: Sarah Bloy Date: 1/6/2013
Subject: Re: CC34 bid?

The Bid Committee to bring CC34 to Madison is working, full-steam ahead.
If you are interested in getting updates as they come out, we have a
Facebook page listed under “Costume Con Madison” as well as a Twitter feed,
@CostumeCon34. If you are on neither of these, feel free to drop me a line
by email as other updating methods will likely become available.

Sarah Bloy
CC Madison Bid Committee Chair

On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 6:33 PM, <osierhenry@cs.com> wrote:

> **
>
>
> In a message dated 1/5/2013 5:03:05 PM Central Standard Time,
> bruno@soulmasque.com writes:
> > Has there been an official announcement of the CC34 bid? When do we
> > need mail the ballots for early voting?
> >
> >
> >
> There is one from Madison, Wisconsin. Karen does know about it. Last I
> knew, ballots need to go out three months before the con.
>
> Henry
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2517 From: Kaijugal . Date: 1/7/2013
Subject: Re: CC34 bid?

Great News!

All the best!

~Dawn McKechnie
Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada / Costume-Con 32

> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: berzerker.prime@gmail.com
> Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 23:18:08 -0600
> Subject: Re: [runacc] CC34 bid?
>
> The Bid Committee to bring CC34 to Madison is working, full-steam ahead.
> If you are interested in getting updates as they come out, we have a
> Facebook page listed under “Costume Con Madison” as well as a Twitter feed,
> @CostumeCon34. If you are on neither of these, feel free to drop me a line
> by email as other updating methods will likely become available.
>
> Sarah Bloy
> CC Madison Bid Committee Chair
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 6:33 PM, <osierhenry@cs.com> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 1/5/2013 5:03:05 PM Central Standard Time,
> > bruno@soulmasque.com writes:
> > > Has there been an official announcement of the CC34 bid? When do we
> > > need mail the ballots for early voting?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > There is one from Madison, Wisconsin. Karen does know about it. Last I
> > knew, ballots need to go out three months before the con.
> >
> > Henry
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ————————————
>
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Group: runacc Message: 2518 From: staceylee25 Date: 1/9/2013
Subject: Re: CC34 bid?

Hooray, I found the invite and got onto the list! Hello everyone!

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, bruno@… wrote:
>
> Has there been an official announcement of the CC34 bid? When do we
> need mail the ballots for early voting?

As secretary and vice-chair of the CC34 Bid Committee, I would like to know what sorts of documents and logistical things we need to be doing. Do WE prepare announcements or does someone else? Who prepares said ballots? And what sorts of things are we expected to do as a bid committee at CC31?

Thanks for your collective help in advance. Most of us on the committee for Madison are not new to running conventions nor attending CC, but we are first-time CostumeCon bidders. We’d love all the advice you wise folks can give.

Stace
MACS president
CC34 Madison secretary/vice-chair

 

Group: runacc Message: 2519 From: Byron Connell Date: 1/9/2013
Subject: Re: CC34 bid?

Stace —

Welcome!

I have absolutely no official role. However, I may be helpful. Many of your questions are answered in the Costume-Con ConStiitution and supporting documents on the Costume-Con web site at:

http://www.costume-con.org/constitution.shtml

I believe that, once you have submitted the required bid material (see sections 2.4 and 2.5 of the ConStitution) to Karen Schnaubelt (aka, Ghod) and she has verified that yours is a valid bid, you would be free to make announcements and otherwise publicize your bid (e.g., Madison Area Costuming Society is bidding to offer Costume-Con 24 in ______) using any and all media (e.g., web site, Facebook page, Twitter, paper announcements, press releases, shouting out the window, embroidery on costumes. . . ).

The ConStitution requires CC 31 to prepare and distribute the ballot and to count the votes (section 2.10).

At CC 31, you should work on promoting the bid. This could include a fan table, entries in masquerades promoting the bid, sponsoring the Con Suite, making awards to entries in the masquerades that relate to the con’s philosophy or theme, and so forth. Check with the CC 31 concom. Wearing hall costumes that promote the bid would not hurt.

Remember, I have absolutely no official position, so anything I say is subject to correction or contradiction. If in doubt, ask Karen; she’s the service mark holder.

Byron

On Jan 9, 2013, at 12:55 PM, staceylee25 <staceylee25@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hooray, I found the invite and got onto the list! Hello everyone!
>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, bruno@… wrote:
> >
> > Has there been an official announcement of the CC34 bid? When do we
> > need mail the ballots for early voting?
>
> As secretary and vice-chair of the CC34 Bid Committee, I would like to know what sorts of documents and logistical things we need to be doing. Do WE prepare announcements or does someone else? Who prepares said ballots? And what sorts of things are we expected to do as a bid committee at CC31?
>
> Thanks for your collective help in advance. Most of us on the committee for Madison are not new to running conventions nor attending CC, but we are first-time CostumeCon bidders. We’d love all the advice you wise folks can give.
>
> Stace
> MACS president
> CC34 Madison secretary/vice-chair
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2520 From: Jamie Butler Date: 1/9/2013
Subject: Re: CC34 bid?

I did submit the bid for MACS before the deadline. Karen emailed me and said everything looked good but she needed more time to go through it. I haven’t heard back from her since, but I know we are the only bid. I emailed her (i think) about a month ago asking if there was anything else, but I guess she is dealing with a lot of personal issues right now.

Jamie Butler

Vice President – Madison Area Costuming Society

Guilde of St. George

— On Wed, 1/9/13, Byron Connell <byronpconnell@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Byron Connell <byronpconnell@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [runacc] CC34 bid?
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 9, 2013, 7:28 PM

Stace —

Welcome!

I have absolutely no official role.  However, I may be helpful.  Many of your questions are answered in the Costume-Con ConStiitution and supporting documents on the Costume-Con web site at:

http://www.costume-con.org/constitution.shtml

I believe that, once you have submitted the required bid material (see sections 2.4 and 2.5 of the ConStitution) to Karen Schnaubelt (aka, Ghod) and she has verified that yours is a valid bid, you would be free to make announcements and otherwise publicize your bid (e.g., Madison Area Costuming Society is bidding to offer Costume-Con 24 in ______) using any and all media (e.g., web site, Facebook page, Twitter, paper announcements, press releases, shouting out the window, embroidery on costumes. . . ).

The ConStitution requires CC 31 to prepare and distribute the ballot and to count the votes (section 2.10).

At CC 31, you should work on promoting the bid.  This could include a fan table, entries in masquerades promoting the bid, sponsoring the Con Suite, making awards to entries in the masquerades that relate to the con’s philosophy or theme, and so forth.  Check with the CC 31 concom.  Wearing hall costumes that promote the bid would not hurt.

Remember, I have absolutely no official position, so anything I say is subject to correction or contradiction.  If in doubt, ask Karen; she’s the service mark holder.

Byron

On Jan 9, 2013, at 12:55 PM, staceylee25 <staceylee25@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hooray, I found the invite and got onto the list! Hello everyone!
>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, bruno@… wrote:
> >
> > Has there been an official announcement of the CC34 bid? When do we
> > need mail the ballots for early voting?
>
> As secretary and vice-chair of the CC34 Bid Committee, I would like to know what sorts of documents and logistical things we need to be doing. Do WE prepare announcements or does someone else? Who prepares said ballots? And what sorts of things are we expected to do as a bid committee at CC31?
>
> Thanks for your collective help in advance. Most of us on the committee for Madison are not new to running conventions nor attending CC, but we are first-time CostumeCon bidders. We’d love all the advice you wise folks can give.
>
> Stace
> MACS president
> CC34 Madison secretary/vice-chair
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2521 From: dandyhank Date: 1/26/2013
Subject: Paging Dawn M!
Dawn,
Please contact me directly. I have a question for you.
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2522 From: dandyhank Date: 1/29/2013
Subject: Paging Sandy Swank!
Sandy,
Contact me directly!
Thanks!
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2523 From: spiritof_76 Date: 1/29/2013
Subject: award ribbons
Recommendations for manufacturers and when do I need to order them?

Thanks.

Michael

 

Group: runacc Message: 2524 From: Marg Grady Date: 1/30/2013
Subject: Re: Award Ribbons
Hodges Ribbons is the place that Marty recommends for the big “horse show”
ribbons.

You want to allow about six weeks, more if you can, iirc.

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Group: runacc Message: 2525 From: Kevin Roche Date: 1/30/2013
Subject: Re: Award Ribbons

I concur. Hodges is who we used, too, for CC26, and will for Westercon 66
as well.

On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 7:22 AM, Marg Grady <marg1066@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hodges Ribbons is the place that Marty recommends for the big “horse show”
> ribbons.
>
> You want to allow about six weeks, more if you can, iirc.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo!
> Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2526 From: Martin Gear Date: 1/30/2013
Subject: Re: award ribbons

Michael –
As Marg told you, most of the East Coast cons use Hodges Badge Company
for their ribbon orders. Because they started out selling ribbons for
horse shows the closest to the horse show season the busier they get. I
try to order ribbons for Balticon (end of May) at least two months in
advance, although I think that we ordered the ribbons for CC-30 about 3
weeks before and still got them in time. They also have some ribbons
that they can produce in 72 hours. If you can order before the end of
February, you get a discount on your order. If you are having a special
logo made for the center of the rosettes allow an extra week to get it
made. NOTE: there is a one time charge for the die but no charge after
that for using it. They also have a selection of available stamps for
the rosette centers which makes more sense when you are doing a one shot
con. They are really good people to deal with, their quality is
excellent, and of course they make plain badge ribbons both vertical and
horizontal as well as the rosettes. Remember that there will be a
charge each time that you change text. I usually do my ribbon order and
let them calculate the charges for the text changes. They will fax you a
copy of your order priced out for you to approve before they start to
produce the ribbons. If I can be of any help, please drop me a line.
Marty

Their website is: www.hodgesbadge.com

On 1/29/2013 10:22 PM, bruno@soulmasque.com wrote:
>
> Recommendations for manufacturers and when do I need to order them?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Michael
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2527 From: Byron Connell Date: 1/30/2013
Subject: Re: Award Ribbons

I also concur. I used Hodges for Philcon masquerades, the three years I ran them. We used the company for CC 29 and I believe Chicon 7 used it for all its ribbons.

Byron

On Jan 30, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Kevin Roche <kevin@twistedimage.com> wrote:

> I concur. Hodges is who we used, too, for CC26, and will for Westercon 66
> as well.
>
> On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 7:22 AM, Marg Grady marg1066@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hodges Ribbons is the place that Marty recommends for the big “horse show”
> > ribbons.
> >
> > You want to allow about six weeks, more if you can, iirc.
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ————————————
> >
> > View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo!
> > Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2528 From: spiritof_76 Date: 1/30/2013
Subject: Re: award ribbons

How about an estimate on number of ribbons needed? I’m sure that are
many variables.

Michael

On 2013-01-30 11:02, Martin Gear wrote:
> Michael –
> As Marg told you, most of the East Coast cons use Hodges Badge
> Company
> for their ribbon orders. Because they started out selling ribbons
> for
> horse shows the closest to the horse show season the busier they
> get. I
> try to order ribbons for Balticon (end of May) at least two months
> in
> advance, although I think that we ordered the ribbons for CC-30
> about 3
> weeks before and still got them in time. They also have some ribbons
> that they can produce in 72 hours. If you can order before the end
> of
> February, you get a discount on your order. If you are having a
> special
> logo made for the center of the rosettes allow an extra week to get
> it
> made. NOTE: there is a one time charge for the die but no charge
> after
> that for using it. They also have a selection of available stamps
> for
> the rosette centers which makes more sense when you are doing a one
> shot
> con. They are really good people to deal with, their quality is
> excellent, and of course they make plain badge ribbons both vertical
> and
> horizontal as well as the rosettes. Remember that there will be a
> charge each time that you change text. I usually do my ribbon order
> and
> let them calculate the charges for the text changes. They will fax
> you a
> copy of your order priced out for you to approve before they start
> to
> produce the ribbons. If I can be of any help, please drop me a line.
> Marty
>
> Their website is: www.hodgesbadge.com
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2529 From: spiritof_76 Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: canadian vendors at US cons
We have an inquiry from a Canadian vendor about permits. I vaguely
recall a discussion about something similar. I know for US vendors, we
refer them to the CO tax office to handle all of their own tax stuff.

Anyone one closer to Canada had to work with Canadian dealers?

Michael

 

Group: runacc Message: 2530 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: Re: award ribbons
You might want to also look at Stineman Ribbons: http://www.stinemanribbon.com/ – I got the Ribbon Project rosettes from them.
From what I hear of Hodges the service & prices are about the same but it might give you some style variants.

Basic ribbons would probably be the same from each but Stineman has some options & colors I didn’t see on Hodges site.
They were great at communication and really fast delivery, although it’s always good to plan in advance.

Just another option,

Nora

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Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 9:22 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] award ribbons

Recommendations for manufacturers and when do I need to order them?

Thanks.

Michael

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Group: runacc Message: 2531 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: Re: award ribbons
Excellent question (and repeated often).

One of the nice things about Yahoo Groups is the ability to store links to
useful stuff.

I just created a folder there, called Award Ribbons.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/runacc/links/Award_Ribbons_001359646081/

You’ll find these two companies listed, with the name of the company,
address and URL.

Anyone who is a member of this list can add links. Also files, etc.

I see these things requested often and I’m going to suggest that it would
be a GOOD THING ™ to take your documentation and place a copy up in the
files section, or in links, and share this data so we don’t have to ask
every time for each new con.

Yes, the purpose of this list is to share info. The purpose of the site is
to make that sharing easier.

Setting up the links took me about three minutes (less time than it took to
compose this message).

Go explore Yahoo, please!

(Note: You do need a Yahoo account to access the benefits of the group
beyond just getting email, but setting up a Yahoo account is trivial. If
you need help connecting your Yahoo account to this group, drop me a line
and I’ll take care of it for you.)

Cheers,

Betsy



Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

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Group: runacc Message: 2532 From: Martin Gear Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: Re: award ribbons

Michael –
The short answer is that you will order either too many or too few. Too
many is better because if you have ti place a second order there will be
extra charges. I believe that Kevin or Bruce have kept stats regarding
what percentage of attendees compete, and what percentage of those win
an award. Hopefully they can give you a better idea. If I get some time
this weekend I’ll send you my technique for changing the center streamer
so that you can save on the Best-in-Class and Best-in-Show ribbons.
Marty

On 1/30/2013 11:36 PM, bruno@soulmasque.com wrote:
>
> How about an estimate on number of ribbons needed? I’m sure that are
> many variables.
>
> Michael
>
> On 2013-01-30 11:02, Martin Gear wrote:
> > Michael –
> > As Marg told you, most of the East Coast cons use Hodges Badge
> > Company
> > for their ribbon orders. Because they started out selling ribbons
> > for
> > horse shows the closest to the horse show season the busier they
> > get. I
> > try to order ribbons for Balticon (end of May) at least two months
> > in
> > advance, although I think that we ordered the ribbons for CC-30
> > about 3
> > weeks before and still got them in time. They also have some ribbons
> > that they can produce in 72 hours. If you can order before the end
> > of
> > February, you get a discount on your order. If you are having a
> > special
> > logo made for the center of the rosettes allow an extra week to get
> > it
> > made. NOTE: there is a one time charge for the die but no charge
> > after
> > that for using it. They also have a selection of available stamps
> > for
> > the rosette centers which makes more sense when you are doing a one
> > shot
> > con. They are really good people to deal with, their quality is
> > excellent, and of course they make plain badge ribbons both vertical
> > and
> > horizontal as well as the rosettes. Remember that there will be a
> > charge each time that you change text. I usually do my ribbon order
> > and
> > let them calculate the charges for the text changes. They will fax
> > you a
> > copy of your order priced out for you to approve before they start
> > to
> > produce the ribbons. If I can be of any help, please drop me a line.
> > Marty
> >
> > Their website is: www.hodgesbadge.com
> >
> >
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2533 From: Byron Connell Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: Re: award ribbons

For Anticipation, the 2009 Worldcon, I had 25 entries. I ordered 120 award ribbons and ran out. I had to limit winning groups in the master division to one ribbon per group. This year, I placed the same order for Chicon, had 25 entries, and had a few left over.

What you need to do is have each MD estimate the number of bodies in the show and the proportion winning a workmanship award or a presentation award. This is their job, not yours. In a show such as the historical, that easily could exceed 100 percent of the number of bodies, since awards are made for documentation, workmanship, and presentation. Your MDs should review the data on SF and historical masquerades in the recent past on CostumeCon.org and make estimates for their own shows.

If you keep all ribbons simple and generic (e.g., “CostumeCon 31 Award”), you aren’t limited to using one sent of ribbons for one show. I also do not use different colored or labeled ribbons for different awards (e.g., best in show). In the tradition of the original Olympics in ancient Greece, everyone receives the same ribbon; the certificate says what it was for.

I hope this helps.

Byron

On Jan 31, 2013, at 4:53 PM, Martin Gear <MartinGear@comcast.net> wrote:

> Michael –
> The short answer is that you will order either too many or too few. Too
> many is better because if you have ti place a second order there will be
> extra charges. I believe that Kevin or Bruce have kept stats regarding
> what percentage of attendees compete, and what percentage of those win
> an award. Hopefully they can give you a better idea. If I get some time
> this weekend I’ll send you my technique for changing the center streamer
> so that you can save on the Best-in-Class and Best-in-Show ribbons.
> Marty
>
> On 1/30/2013 11:36 PM, bruno@soulmasque.com wrote:
> >
> > How about an estimate on number of ribbons needed? I’m sure that are
> > many variables.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > On 2013-01-30 11:02, Martin Gear wrote:
> > > Michael –
> > > As Marg told you, most of the East Coast cons use Hodges Badge
> > > Company
> > > for their ribbon orders. Because they started out selling ribbons
> > > for
> > > horse shows the closest to the horse show season the busier they
> > > get. I
> > > try to order ribbons for Balticon (end of May) at least two months
> > > in
> > > advance, although I think that we ordered the ribbons for CC-30
> > > about 3
> > > weeks before and still got them in time. They also have some ribbons
> > > that they can produce in 72 hours. If you can order before the end
> > > of
> > > February, you get a discount on your order. If you are having a
> > > special
> > > logo made for the center of the rosettes allow an extra week to get
> > > it
> > > made. NOTE: there is a one time charge for the die but no charge
> > > after
> > > that for using it. They also have a selection of available stamps
> > > for
> > > the rosette centers which makes more sense when you are doing a one
> > > shot
> > > con. They are really good people to deal with, their quality is
> > > excellent, and of course they make plain badge ribbons both vertical
> > > and
> > > horizontal as well as the rosettes. Remember that there will be a
> > > charge each time that you change text. I usually do my ribbon order
> > > and
> > > let them calculate the charges for the text changes. They will fax
> > > you a
> > > copy of your order priced out for you to approve before they start
> > > to
> > > produce the ribbons. If I can be of any help, please drop me a line.
> > > Marty
> > >
> > > Their website is: www.hodgesbadge.com
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2534 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 2/1/2013
Subject: Re: canadian vendors at US cons

You might want to talk with Angela Jones at Angelwear
Creations<http://www.angelwearcreations.com/>
.

On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 9:35 PM, <bruno@soulmasque.com> wrote:

> We have an inquiry from a Canadian vendor about permits. I vaguely
> recall a discussion about something similar. I know for US vendors, we
> refer them to the CO tax office to handle all of their own tax stuff.
>
> Anyone one closer to Canada had to work with Canadian dealers?
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo!
> Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2535 From: Byron Connell Date: 2/28/2013
Subject: What Happened to CC 13?
In doing some research in the Costume-Con Visual Archive, I found that CC 13 had been taken down. Will it be restored?

Byron

 

Group: runacc Message: 2536 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 2/28/2013
Subject: Re: What Happened to CC 13?

It’s there, but oddly enough is appearing BEFORE CC12. Weird!

-b

On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 8:39 PM, Byron Connell <byronpconnell@gmail.com> wrote:
> In doing some research in the Costume-Con Visual Archive, I found that CC 13 had been taken down. Will it be restored?
>
> Byron



Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

Group: runacc Message: 2537 From: Kevin Roche Date: 3/1/2013
Subject: Re: What Happened to CC 13?

All fixed (there is a re-order function built into the admin interface.)

Moving one item is easy-peasy.

Kevin

On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 6:05 PM, Betsy Marks Delaney
<aramintamd@gmail.com>wrote:

> It’s there, but oddly enough is appearing BEFORE CC12. Weird!
>
> -b
>
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 8:39 PM, Byron Connell <byronpconnell@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > In doing some research in the Costume-Con Visual Archive, I found that
> CC 13 had been taken down. Will it be restored?
> >
> > Byron
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>
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Group: runacc Message: 2538 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 3/1/2013
Subject: Re: What Happened to CC 13?

Thanks, Kevin! It’s been soooo long…

-b

On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Kevin Roche <kevin@twistedimage.com> wrote:
> All fixed (there is a re-order function built into the admin interface.)
>
> Moving one item is easy-peasy.
>
> Kevin




Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

Group: runacc Message: 2539 From: Kevin Roche Date: 3/1/2013
Subject: Re: What Happened to CC 13?

I was just happy to discover my “keys to the car” still worked 🙂

On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Betsy Marks Delaney <aramintamd@gmail.com>wrote:

> Thanks, Kevin! It’s been soooo long…
>
> -b
>
> On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Kevin Roche <kevin@twistedimage.com>
> wrote:
> > All fixed (there is a re-order function built into the admin interface.)
> >
> > Moving one item is easy-peasy.
> >
> > Kevin
>
> —
> —
> —
> Betsy Marks Delaney
>
> http://www.hawkeswood.com/
>
>
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>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo!
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Group: runacc Message: 2540 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 3/1/2013
Subject: Re: What Happened to CC 13?

I re-ordered the folders a while back (with Karen’s permission) so the newer
years are at the top.

Nora

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Kevin Roche
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:00 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] What Happened to CC 13?

I was just happy to discover my “keys to the car” still worked 🙂

On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Betsy Marks Delaney
<aramintamd@gmail.com>wrote:

> Thanks, Kevin! It’s been soooo long…
>
> -b
>
> On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Kevin Roche <kevin@twistedimage.com>
> wrote:
> > All fixed (there is a re-order function built into the admin interface.)
> >
> > Moving one item is easy-peasy.
> >
> > Kevin
>
> —
> —
> —
> Betsy Marks Delaney
>
> http://www.hawkeswood.com/
>
>
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>
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Group: runacc Message: 2541 From: spiritof_76 Date: 4/17/2013
Subject: folio at the door
Does a copy of the folio go to everyone at the door or just full
weekend attendees?

Michael

 

Group: runacc Message: 2542 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 4/17/2013
Subject: Re: folio at the door

CCXV gave a copy of the book to everyone who paid full freight during the
weekend (especially at the discounted Student rate). Can’t speak for the
others. We had about a box of them left over at the end of the con, and I
don’t recall whether we sold them to get rid of them or did something else
instead. Been too long.

-b

On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 2:10 AM, <bruno@soulmasque.com> wrote:

> Does a copy of the folio go to everyone at the door or just full
> weekend attendees?
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo!
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>




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Group: runacc Message: 2543 From: Trudy Leonard Date: 4/17/2013
Subject: Re: folio at the door
We gave them to everyone with a full membership (and I mailed them, along with the rest of the “at door” packet to anyone that didn’t make it), and we still ended up with a bunch left over. I passed them out to folks who asked for a copy at later cons. I think I still have some and sent a bunch to recycling.

Trudy

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: bruno@soulmasque.com
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 23:10:40 -0700
Subject: [runacc] folio at the door

Does a copy of the folio go to everyone at the door or just full

weekend attendees?

Michael

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Group: runacc Message: 2544 From: spiritof_76 Date: 4/17/2013
Subject: Re: folio at the door

Thanks. That’s two for giving them to full weekend at the door.

Michael

On 2013-04-17 14:28, Trudy Leonard wrote:
> We gave them to everyone with a full membership (and I mailed them,
> along with the rest of the “at door” packet to anyone that didn’t make
> it), and we still ended up with a bunch left over. I passed them out
> to folks who asked for a copy at later cons. I think I still have some
> and sent a bunch to recycling.
>
> Trudy

 

Group: runacc Message: 2545 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 4/17/2013
Subject: Re: folio at the door

Note, that both of these CC’s were before the use
of digital folios. I believe CC28 provided a
disc containing the folio to people who joined at
the door. Henry will have to confirm. I’m not
sure what CC29 & 30 did. Printing is so
expensive, it’s much easier and cheaper to put a
digital copy on disc (PDF) than to actually print and bind (staple, whatever).

Just my 2 pence.

Sandy

At 08:35 PM 4/17/2013, you wrote:

>Thanks. That’s two for giving them to full weekend at the door.
>
>Michael
>
>On 2013-04-17 14:28, Trudy Leonard wrote:
> > We gave them to everyone with a full membership (and I mailed them,
> > along with the rest of the “at door” packet to anyone that didn’t make
> > it), and we still ended up with a bunch left over. I passed them out
> > to folks who asked for a copy at later cons. I think I still have some
> > and sent a bunch to recycling.
> >
> > Trudy
>
>

International Costumers’ Guild Archivist

http://www.costume.org/gallery2/main.php

“Those Who Fail to Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly –
Why They Are Simply Doomed.”

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C. Y. 4971

Andromeda

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Group: runacc Message: 2546 From: Elaine Sims Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: Re: folio at the door
I agree with Sandy. Having worked in the print & copy shop industry for
a little while, the costs easily get high very fast. I don’t recall if
at CC30 the folio was being offered on disk, but it was not in the ‘at
the door’ packets. (I just checked one that I filed away).

Thanks to the small cost of CDs, and the near-ubiquitousness of CD/DVD
burners in laptops, I would burn a small stack (25-50) and have them at
the check-in table. Have disks for those that request it, and if you run
out, burn on demand.

I personally think the digital folio is a great thing, but then I also
hate paperwork…

just my .02

~Elaine, who has never really run a Con 🙂

 

Group: runacc Message: 2547 From: ma0902432 Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: Re: folio at the door

PErsonally I LOVE t he idea of having a hard paper copy of the Folio.
Digital is okay……..but with the paper Folio, I Can print out photos
of people wearing the designs they made and tape them into the book (I
suppose that one could do this digitally, but I don’t live in a personal
digital world……).

Yours in costumign, Lisa A

On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 05:56:07 -0700 Elaine Sims <elaine@woollycat.net>
writes:

> I agree with Sandy. Having worked in the print & copy shop industry
> for
> a little while, the costs easily get high very fast. I don’t recall
> if
> at CC30 the folio was being offered on disk, but it was not in the
> ‘at
> the door’ packets. (I just checked one that I filed away).
>
> Thanks to the small cost of CDs, and the near-ubiquitousness of
> CD/DVD
> burners in laptops, I would burn a small stack (25-50) and have them
> at
> the check-in table. Have disks for those that request it, and if you
> run
> out, burn on demand.
>
> I personally think the digital folio is a great thing, but then I
> also
> hate paperwork…
>
> just my .02
>
> ~Elaine, who has never really run a Con 🙂
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document:
> http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo! Groups Links
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Group: runacc Message: 2548 From: Byron Connell Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: Re: folio at the door

Make it three.

Byron

On Apr 17, 2013, at 9:35 PM, bruno@soulmasque.com wrote:

> Thanks. That’s two for giving them to full weekend at the door.
>
> Michael
>
> On 2013-04-17 14:28, Trudy Leonard wrote:
> > We gave them to everyone with a full membership (and I mailed them,
> > along with the rest of the “at door” packet to anyone that didn’t make
> > it), and we still ended up with a bunch left over. I passed them out
> > to folks who asked for a copy at later cons. I think I still have some
> > and sent a bunch to recycling.
> >
> > Trudy
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2549 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: Re: folio at the door

Maybe I’m out in left field, but I would consider paying $3-5 if the con
wanted to email digital and sell hard copies.

On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Byron Connell <byronpconnell@gmail.com>wrote:

> Make it three.
>
> Byron
>
>
> On Apr 17, 2013, at 9:35 PM, bruno@soulmasque.com wrote:
>
> > Thanks. That’s two for giving them to full weekend at the door.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > On 2013-04-17 14:28, Trudy Leonard wrote:
> > > We gave them to everyone with a full membership (and I mailed them,
> > > along with the rest of the “at door” packet to anyone that didn’t make
> > > it), and we still ended up with a bunch left over. I passed them out
> > > to folks who asked for a copy at later cons. I think I still have some
> > > and sent a bunch to recycling.
> > >
> > > Trudy
> >
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Group: runacc Message: 2550 From: Byron Connell Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: Re: folio at the door

Purchase of a copy of the Folio is included in an attending membership. Unless a con advertises that it will not be made available to at-the-door entrants in the same form provided to advance purchasers and reduces the at-the-door price to reflect its absence, the con is treating attending members unequally, to say the least.

Byron

On Apr 18, 2013, at 8:56 AM, Elaine Sims <elaine@woollycat.net> wrote:

> I agree with Sandy. Having worked in the print & copy shop industry for
> a little while, the costs easily get high very fast. I don’t recall if
> at CC30 the folio was being offered on disk, but it was not in the ‘at
> the door’ packets. (I just checked one that I filed away).
>
> Thanks to the small cost of CDs, and the near-ubiquitousness of CD/DVD
> burners in laptops, I would burn a small stack (25-50) and have them at
> the check-in table. Have disks for those that request it, and if you run
> out, burn on demand.
>
> I personally think the digital folio is a great thing, but then I also
> hate paperwork…
>
> just my .02
>
> ~Elaine, who has never really run a Con 🙂
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2551 From: Elaine Mami Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: Re: folio at the door

I know that 29 had CDs to give out, and we (30) had some CDs & some paper, in case we ran out – which we did. Elaine
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: costumrs@radiks.net
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 22:28:00 -0500
Subject: [runacc] RE: folio at the door

Note, that both of these CC’s were before the use

of digital folios. I believe CC28 provided a

disc containing the folio to people who joined at

the door. Henry will have to confirm. I’m not

sure what CC29 & 30 did. Printing is so

expensive, it’s much easier and cheaper to put a

digital copy on disc (PDF) than to actually print and bind (staple, whatever).

Just my 2 pence.

Sandy

At 08:35 PM 4/17/2013, you wrote:

>Thanks. That’s two for giving them to full weekend at the door.

>

>Michael

>

>On 2013-04-17 14:28, Trudy Leonard wrote:

> > We gave them to everyone with a full membership (and I mailed them,

> > along with the rest of the “at door” packet to anyone that didn’t make

> > it), and we still ended up with a bunch left over. I passed them out

> > to folks who asked for a copy at later cons. I think I still have some

> > and sent a bunch to recycling.

> >

> > Trudy

>

>

International Costumers’ Guild Archivist

http://www.costume.org/gallery2/main.php

“Those Who Fail to Learn History

Are Doomed to Repeat It;

Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly –

Why They Are Simply Doomed.”

Achemdro’hm

“The Illusion of Historical Fact”

— C. Y. 4971

Andromeda

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Group: runacc Message: 2452 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 7/1/2012
Subject: Re: Signed releases
Group: runacc Message: 2453 From: Byron Connell Date: 7/1/2012
Subject: Re: Signed releases
Group: runacc Message: 2454 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/1/2012
Subject: Re: Signed releases
Group: runacc Message: 2455 From: Martin Gear Date: 7/2/2012
Subject: Re: Signed releases
Group: runacc Message: 2456 From: Trudy Leonard Date: 7/5/2012
Subject: contacting Ricky Dick
Group: runacc Message: 2457 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/23/2012
Subject: Costume-Con Gallery “down”
Group: runacc Message: 2458 From: Kevin Roche Date: 7/23/2012
Subject: Re: Costume-Con Gallery “down”
Group: runacc Message: 2459 From: Kaijugal . Date: 7/23/2012
Subject: Membership Numbers
Group: runacc Message: 2460 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 7/23/2012
Subject: Re: Membership Numbers
Group: runacc Message: 2461 From: Elaine Mami Date: 7/23/2012
Subject: Re: Membership Numbers
Group: runacc Message: 2462 From: Kaijugal . Date: 7/24/2012
Subject: Re: Membership Numbers
Group: runacc Message: 2463 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 7/24/2012
Subject: Re: Membership Numbers
Group: runacc Message: 2464 From: Kaijugal . Date: 7/24/2012
Subject: Re: Membership Numbers
Group: runacc Message: 2465 From: Elaine Mami Date: 7/24/2012
Subject: Re: Membership Numbers
Group: runacc Message: 2466 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/24/2012
Subject: Re: Costume-Con Gallery “down”
Group: runacc Message: 2467 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/24/2012
Subject: Re: Membership Numbers
Group: runacc Message: 2468 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 7/25/2012
Subject: Re: Membership Numbers
Group: runacc Message: 2469 From: Kevin Roche Date: 7/25/2012
Subject: Re: Membership Numbers
Group: runacc Message: 2470 From: Kaijugal . Date: 7/25/2012
Subject: Re: Membership Numbers
Group: runacc Message: 2471 From: Kaijugal . Date: 7/25/2012
Subject: Re: Membership Numbers
Group: runacc Message: 2472 From: Kevin Roche Date: 7/25/2012
Subject: Re: Membership Numbers
Group: runacc Message: 2473 From: runacc@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/25/2012
Subject: New file uploaded to runacc
Group: runacc Message: 2474 From: Kevin Roche Date: 7/25/2012
Subject: Re: Membership Numbers
Group: runacc Message: 2475 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 7/26/2012
Subject: Re: Membership Numbers
Group: runacc Message: 2476 From: Martin Gear Date: 7/26/2012
Subject: Re: Membership Numbers
Group: runacc Message: 2477 From: Kaijugal . Date: 7/26/2012
Subject: Re: Membership Numbers
Group: runacc Message: 2478 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/26/2012
Subject: Re: Membership Numbers
Group: runacc Message: 2479 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 7/26/2012
Subject: Re: Membership Numbers
Group: runacc Message: 2480 From: Kevin Roche Date: 7/26/2012
Subject: Re: Membership Numbers
Group: runacc Message: 2481 From: martingear@comcast.net Date: 7/26/2012
Subject: Re: Membership Numbers
Group: runacc Message: 2482 From: Kaijugal . Date: 7/26/2012
Subject: Re: Membership Numbers
Group: runacc Message: 2483 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 7/26/2012
Subject: Re: Membership Numbers
Group: runacc Message: 2484 From: Byron Connell Date: 7/26/2012
Subject: Re: Membership Numbers
Group: runacc Message: 2485 From: Byron Connell Date: 7/26/2012
Subject: Re: Membership Numbers
Group: runacc Message: 2486 From: Elaine Mami Date: 7/26/2012
Subject: Re: Membership Numbers
Group: runacc Message: 2487 From: cgalway@xmission.com Date: 7/27/2012
Subject: Re: Membership Numbers
Group: runacc Message: 2488 From: Byron Connell Date: 7/27/2012
Subject: Re: Membership Numbers
Group: runacc Message: 2489 From: Trudy Leonard Date: 7/27/2012
Subject: Re: Membership Numbers
Group: runacc Message: 2490 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 8/21/2012
Subject: input required on folio rules
Group: runacc Message: 2491 From: Kaijugal . Date: 8/21/2012
Subject: Re: input required on folio rules
Group: runacc Message: 2492 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 8/21/2012
Subject: Re: input required on folio rules
Group: runacc Message: 2493 From: Martin Gear Date: 8/21/2012
Subject: Re: input required on folio rules
Group: runacc Message: 2494 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 8/21/2012
Subject: Re: input required on folio rules
Group: runacc Message: 2495 From: Byron Connell Date: 8/21/2012
Subject: Re: input required on folio rules
Group: runacc Message: 2496 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 10/28/2012
Subject: historical workmanship judging guidelines
Group: runacc Message: 2497 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 10/28/2012
Subject: Re: historical workmanship judging guidelines
Group: runacc Message: 2498 From: Karen Heim Date: 10/29/2012
Subject: Re: historical workmanship judging guidelines
Group: runacc Message: 2499 From: Byron Connell Date: 10/29/2012
Subject: Re: historical workmanship judging guidelines
Group: runacc Message: 2500 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 10/29/2012
Subject: one day memberships and masquerade entries
Group: runacc Message: 2501 From: Elaine Mami Date: 10/30/2012
Subject: Re: one day memberships and masquerade entries

 


 

Group: runacc Message: 2452 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 7/1/2012
Subject: Re: Signed releases

I’m referring to scanned hard copies.
Although the question of e-signatures is interesting but maybe another day 🙂

— On Sun, 7/1/12, martingear@comcast.net <MartinGear@comcast.net> wrote:

From: martingear@comcast.net <MartinGear@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [runacc] Signed releases
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, July 1, 2012, 2:37 PM

I keep mine for 5 years. Scanned copies of a form with an original signature
will probably pass muster. I would not count on eforms necessarily passing
the test unless the individual has a “security certificate” and your
software captures that to.
Marty

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

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From: Nora & Bruce Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, Jul 1, 2012 13:35:02 GMT+00:00
Subject: [runacc] Signed releases

How long should these be kept?
And how do we feel about scanning them? Are e-files of the releases still as
valid?

Nora

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Group: runacc Message: 2453 From: Byron Connell Date: 7/1/2012
Subject: Re: Signed releases

I agree with Marty about E-signatures and that scanned copies of original signatures probably are OK.

I keep releases in perpetuity because mine include model releases as well as liability. I’ve got lots of photos that are more than five years old, as do the ICG archives and the Costume-ConNections Web site.

Byron

On Jul 1, 2012, at 5:55 PM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> I’m referring to scanned hard copies.
> Although the question of e-signatures is interesting but maybe another day 🙂
>
> — On Sun, 7/1/12, martingear@comcast.net <MartinGear@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> From: martingear@comcast.net <MartinGear@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [runacc] Signed releases
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, July 1, 2012, 2:37 PM
>
> I keep mine for 5 years. Scanned copies of a form with an original signature
> will probably pass muster. I would not count on eforms necessarily passing
> the test unless the individual has a “security certificate” and your
> software captures that to.
> Marty
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
>
> —–Original message—–
> From: Nora & Bruce Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, Jul 1, 2012 13:35:02 GMT+00:00
> Subject: [runacc] Signed releases
>
> How long should these be kept?
> And how do we feel about scanning them? Are e-files of the releases still as
> valid?
>
> Nora
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Group: runacc Message: 2454 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/1/2012
Subject: Re: Signed releases

You both are reinforcing what I was thinking already. I’m trying to get rid
of stuff and stacks of paperwork seemed like a good target.
If I’ve got the originals scanned and saved, I think that should be an
acceptable record and can then shred the originals.

Nora

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Byron Connell
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 6:51 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Signed releases

I agree with Marty about E-signatures and that scanned copies of original
signatures probably are OK.

I keep releases in perpetuity because mine include model releases as well as
liability. I’ve got lots of photos that are more than five years old, as do
the ICG archives and the Costume-ConNections Web site.

Byron

On Jul 1, 2012, at 5:55 PM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> I’m referring to scanned hard copies.
> Although the question of e-signatures is interesting but maybe another
> day 🙂
>
> — On Sun, 7/1/12, martingear@comcast.net <MartinGear@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> From: martingear@comcast.net <MartinGear@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [runacc] Signed releases
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, July 1, 2012, 2:37 PM
>
> I keep mine for 5 years. Scanned copies of a form with an original
> signature will probably pass muster. I would not count on eforms
> necessarily passing the test unless the individual has a “security
> certificate” and your software captures that to.
> Marty
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
>
> —–Original message—–
> From: Nora & Bruce Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, Jul 1, 2012 13:35:02 GMT+00:00
> Subject: [runacc] Signed releases
>
> How long should these be kept?
> And how do we feel about scanning them? Are e-files of the releases
> still as valid?
>
> Nora
>
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Group: runacc Message: 2455 From: Martin Gear Date: 7/2/2012
Subject: Re: Signed releases

One of my clients who is both very security conscious and also paranoid,
insists on signed copies which are then scanned with a date stamp and
stored while the originals are shredded. Obviously they have multiple
back-ups but they are convinced that this is the only way to go. FWIIW
Marty

On 7/1/2012 10:46 PM, Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:
>
> You both are reinforcing what I was thinking already. I’m trying to
> get rid
> of stuff and stacks of paperwork seemed like a good target.
> If I’ve got the originals scanned and saved, I think that should be an
> acceptable record and can then shred the originals.
>
> Nora
>
> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>] On
> Behalf Of
> Byron Connell
> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 6:51 PM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [runacc] Signed releases
>
> I agree with Marty about E-signatures and that scanned copies of original
> signatures probably are OK.
>
> I keep releases in perpetuity because mine include model releases as
> well as
> liability. I’ve got lots of photos that are more than five years old,
> as do
> the ICG archives and the Costume-ConNections Web site.
>
> Byron
>
> On Jul 1, 2012, at 5:55 PM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
>
> > I’m referring to scanned hard copies.
> > Although the question of e-signatures is interesting but maybe another
> > day 🙂
> >
> > — On Sun, 7/1/12, martingear@comcast.net
> <mailto:martingear%40comcast.net> <MartinGear@comcast.net
> <mailto:MartinGear%40comcast.net>> wrote:
> >
> > From: martingear@comcast.net <mailto:martingear%40comcast.net>
> <MartinGear@comcast.net <mailto:MartinGear%40comcast.net>>
> > Subject: Re: [runacc] Signed releases
> > To: runacc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Sunday, July 1, 2012, 2:37 PM
> >
> > I keep mine for 5 years. Scanned copies of a form with an original
> > signature will probably pass muster. I would not count on eforms
> > necessarily passing the test unless the individual has a “security
> > certificate” and your software captures that to.
> > Marty
> >
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
> >
> > —–Original message—–
> > From: Nora & Bruce Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net
> <mailto:casamai%40sbcglobal.net>>
> > To: runacc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sun, Jul 1, 2012 13:35:02 GMT+00:00
> > Subject: [runacc] Signed releases
> >
> > How long should these be kept?
> > And how do we feel about scanning them? Are e-files of the releases
> > still as valid?
> >
> > Nora
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
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> >
> > View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo!
> > Groups Links
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> >
> >
>
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>
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> Groups
> Links
>
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Group: runacc Message: 2456 From: Trudy Leonard Date: 7/5/2012
Subject: contacting Ricky Dick
Ricky – could you please contact me off-list. Thank you. Trudy

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Group: runacc Message: 2457 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/23/2012
Subject: Costume-Con Gallery “down”
Any ideas on how to deal with this?

http://www.costume-con.org/gallery2/upgrade/index.php

Bruce

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Group: runacc Message: 2458 From: Kevin Roche Date: 7/23/2012
Subject: Re: Costume-Con Gallery “down”

A quick survey suggests the hosting service may have changed something
that’s confusing the gallery system; if it can’t find the right version
file it thinks an update may be required.

http://gallery.menalto.com/node/94639

Kevin

On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 5:30 AM, Nora & Bruce Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> Any ideas on how to deal with this?
>
>
>
> http://www.costume-con.org/gallery2/upgrade/index.php
>
>
>
>
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo!
> Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2459 From: Kaijugal . Date: 7/23/2012
Subject: Membership Numbers
Hello all,

As you may know we are a little less than 2 years out from CC32.

Can any former Con-Chairs or costume con members give me an idea of what our
membership numbers should be looking like?

~Dawn – CC32

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Group: runacc Message: 2460 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 7/23/2012
Subject: Re: Membership Numbers

In a message dated 7/23/2012 1:17:57 PM Central Daylight Time,
kaijugal@hotmail.com writes:

> Can any former Con-Chairs or costume con members give me an idea of what
> our
> membership numbers should be looking like?

If I remember correctly, you should start seeing more memberships coming
in. I increased the membership rate every six months by $5, and often had
special rates. I think it did help, and kept CC28 in folks’ minds.

Henry Osier

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Group: runacc Message: 2461 From: Elaine Mami Date: 7/23/2012
Subject: Re: Membership Numbers
Dawn, memberships seem to be higher on the sides of the continent, probably because of higher local population. However, they seldom seem to be below 250. We were fortunate enough to have 368! The key is constant regional publicity and copious amounts of flyers at every possible venue that is even vaguely related to costumes: bookstores, quilt & fabric stores, craft stores, local sewing/quilting clubs & events. I even left them in the dentist’s office!

Elaine
Retired Costume-Con Chair

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: kaijugal@hotmail.com
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 14:17:53 -0400
Subject: [runacc] Membership Numbers

Hello all,

As you may know we are a little less than 2 years out from CC32.

Can any former Con-Chairs or costume con members give me an idea of what our
membership numbers should be looking like?

~Dawn – CC32

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Group: runacc Message: 2462 From: Kaijugal . Date: 7/24/2012
Subject: Re: Membership Numbers

368 people registered 2 years out Elaine? Wow that’s impressive! 🙂

Of course we have an uphill battle as there are less people in the entire COUNTRY of CANADA than in the STATE OF CALIFORNIA! ^_^;

Add to that people’s disproportional fears of crossing the border. (Which is easy, I do it for conventions frequently with all sorts of
costumes, giant monsters, skulls and whatnot by car, plane, bus and train).
We even had so little luggage room when going to cc36, (I brought a mascot among other things), that
we Torontonians had to wear our full Pirate costumes through airport security
and on the plane!

Thank you for your answer Elaine! 🙂 🙂 🙂

I look forward to hearing from you other experienced Con-chairs!

~Dawn 🙂

> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: ecmami@hotmail.com
> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 20:46:59 -0400
> Subject: RE: [runacc] Membership Numbers
>
>
> Dawn, memberships seem to be higher on the sides of the continent, probably because of higher local population. However, they seldom seem to be below 250. We were fortunate enough to have 368! The key is constant regional publicity and copious amounts of flyers at every possible venue that is even vaguely related to costumes: bookstores, quilt & fabric stores, craft stores, local sewing/quilting clubs & events. I even left them in the dentist’s office!
>
> Elaine
> Retired Costume-Con Chair
>
>
>
>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: kaijugal@hotmail.com
> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 14:17:53 -0400
> Subject: [runacc] Membership Numbers
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> As you may know we are a little less than 2 years out from CC32.
>
> Can any former Con-Chairs or costume con members give me an idea of what our
> membership numbers should be looking like?
>
> ~Dawn – CC32
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2463 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 7/24/2012
Subject: Re: Membership Numbers

did cc-30 have 368 at this point out??? or total at con???

since I know we want 500 or so in a perfect world for 32, I go by my 27 numbers, and if after denver this year, we are between 225-250 with a year to go, we’ll be fine

we sell 100 in that last year, then 100 at the door

done, or close to it, especially with the tons of anime north 1 day kids at more than thier fare share of the 100 dollar price. like 40-50 for a day pass?

they dont help the hotel, but thier $$ will help pay the hotel bill if needed

we used to have to budget upwards of 4K for the folio, just that off the table, pre con, is huge for all future cons.
gee and to think everyone resisted electric for so long.

Gravely MacCabre
http://www.castleblood.com
http://facebook.com/gravelymaccabre
http://etsy.com/shops/gravelymaccabre

tv show clip samples at
http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood

________________________________
From: Kaijugal . <kaijugal@hotmail.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 4:49 PM
Subject: RE: [runacc] Membership Numbers

368 people registered 2 years out Elaine? Wow that’s impressive! 🙂

Of course we have an uphill battle as there are less people in the entire COUNTRY of CANADA than in the STATE OF CALIFORNIA! ^_^;

Add to that people’s disproportional fears of crossing the border. (Which is easy, I do it for conventions frequently with all sorts of
costumes, giant monsters, skulls and whatnot by car, plane, bus and train).
We even had so little luggage room when going to cc36, (I brought a mascot among other things), that
we Torontonians had to wear our full Pirate costumes through airport security
and on the plane!

Thank you for your answer Elaine! 🙂 🙂 🙂

I look forward to hearing from you other experienced Con-chairs!

~Dawn 🙂

> To: mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com
> From: mailto:ecmami%40hotmail.com
> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 20:46:59 -0400
> Subject: RE: [runacc] Membership Numbers
>
>
> Dawn, memberships seem to be higher on the sides of the continent, probably because of higher local population. However, they seldom seem to be below 250. We were fortunate enough to have 368! The key is constant regional publicity and copious amounts of flyers at every possible venue that is even vaguely related to costumes: bookstores, quilt & fabric stores, craft stores, local sewing/quilting clubs & events. I even left them in the dentist’s office!
>
> Elaine
> Retired Costume-Con Chair
>
>
>
>
> To: mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com
> From: mailto:kaijugal%40hotmail.com
> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 14:17:53 -0400
> Subject: [runacc] Membership Numbers
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> As you may know we are a little less than 2 years out from CC32.
>
> Can any former Con-Chairs or costume con members give me an idea of what our
> membership numbers should be looking like?
>
> ~Dawn – CC32
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2464 From: Kaijugal . Date: 7/24/2012
Subject: Re: Membership Numbers

They didn’t. Elaine meant that was her total attendance. It was a miscommunication.
Marg gave me the actual number in private email. 🙂
Cheers!
~Dawn 🙂

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: gravelymac@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 15:20:01 -0700
Subject: Re: [runacc] Membership Numbers

did cc-30 have 368 at this point out??? or total at con???

since I know we want 500 or so in a perfect world for 32, I go by my 27 numbers, and if after denver this year, we are between 225-250 with a year to go, we’ll be fine

we sell 100 in that last year, then 100 at the door

done, or close to it, especially with the tons of anime north 1 day kids at more than thier fare share of the 100 dollar price. like 40-50 for a day pass?

they dont help the hotel, but thier $$ will help pay the hotel bill if needed

we used to have to budget upwards of 4K for the folio, just that off the table, pre con, is huge for all future cons.

gee and to think everyone resisted electric for so long.

Gravely MacCabre

http://www.castleblood.com

http://facebook.com/gravelymaccabre

http://etsy.com/shops/gravelymaccabre

tv show clip samples at

http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood

________________________________

From: Kaijugal . <kaijugal@hotmail.com>

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 4:49 PM

Subject: RE: [runacc] Membership Numbers

368 people registered 2 years out Elaine? Wow that’s impressive! 🙂

Of course we have an uphill battle as there are less people in the entire COUNTRY of CANADA than in the STATE OF CALIFORNIA! ^_^;

Add to that people’s disproportional fears of crossing the border. (Which is easy, I do it for conventions frequently with all sorts of

costumes, giant monsters, skulls and whatnot by car, plane, bus and train).

We even had so little luggage room when going to cc36, (I brought a mascot among other things), that

we Torontonians had to wear our full Pirate costumes through airport security

and on the plane!

Thank you for your answer Elaine! 🙂 🙂 🙂

I look forward to hearing from you other experienced Con-chairs!

~Dawn 🙂

> To: mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com

> From: mailto:ecmami%40hotmail.com

> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 20:46:59 -0400

> Subject: RE: [runacc] Membership Numbers

>

>

> Dawn, memberships seem to be higher on the sides of the continent, probably because of higher local population. However, they seldom seem to be below 250. We were fortunate enough to have 368! The key is constant regional publicity and copious amounts of flyers at every possible venue that is even vaguely related to costumes: bookstores, quilt & fabric stores, craft stores, local sewing/quilting clubs & events. I even left them in the dentist’s office!

>

> Elaine

> Retired Costume-Con Chair

>

>

>

>

> To: mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com

> From: mailto:kaijugal%40hotmail.com

> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 14:17:53 -0400

> Subject: [runacc] Membership Numbers

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Hello all,

>

> As you may know we are a little less than 2 years out from CC32.

>

> Can any former Con-Chairs or costume con members give me an idea of what our

> membership numbers should be looking like?

>

> ~Dawn – CC32

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

>

>

> ————————————

>

> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo! Groups Links

>

>

>

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Group: runacc Message: 2465 From: Elaine Mami Date: 7/24/2012
Subject: Re: Membership Numbers

No, sorry. That was at the end. 2 years out we were looking at about 60. The closer you get, the more people are willing to commit. The biggest increase comes in the final 3 months.

Elaine
Nil significat nisi oscillat!

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: kaijugal@hotmail.com
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 16:49:33 -0400
Subject: RE: [runacc] Membership Numbers

368 people registered 2 years out Elaine? Wow that’s impressive! 🙂

Of course we have an uphill battle as there are less people in the entire COUNTRY of CANADA than in the STATE OF CALIFORNIA! ^_^;

Add to that people’s disproportional fears of crossing the border. (Which is easy, I do it for conventions frequently with all sorts of
costumes, giant monsters, skulls and whatnot by car, plane, bus and train).
We even had so little luggage room when going to cc36, (I brought a mascot among other things), that
we Torontonians had to wear our full Pirate costumes through airport security
and on the plane!

Thank you for your answer Elaine! 🙂 🙂 🙂

I look forward to hearing from you other experienced Con-chairs!

~Dawn 🙂

> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: ecmami@hotmail.com
> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 20:46:59 -0400
> Subject: RE: [runacc] Membership Numbers
>
>
> Dawn, memberships seem to be higher on the sides of the continent, probably because of higher local population. However, they seldom seem to be below 250. We were fortunate enough to have 368! The key is constant regional publicity and copious amounts of flyers at every possible venue that is even vaguely related to costumes: bookstores, quilt & fabric stores, craft stores, local sewing/quilting clubs & events. I even left them in the dentist’s office!
>
> Elaine
> Retired Costume-Con Chair
>
>
>
>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: kaijugal@hotmail.com
> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 14:17:53 -0400
> Subject: [runacc] Membership Numbers
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> As you may know we are a little less than 2 years out from CC32.
>
> Can any former Con-Chairs or costume con members give me an idea of what our
> membership numbers should be looking like?
>
> ~Dawn – CC32
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2466 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/24/2012
Subject: Re: Costume-Con Gallery “down”

I would guess that would require Karen (or someone) to contact them, then?

Bruce

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Kevin Roche
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 11:57 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Costume-Con Gallery “down”

A quick survey suggests the hosting service may have changed something
that’s confusing the gallery system; if it can’t find the right version file
it thinks an update may be required.

http://gallery.menalto.com/node/94639

Kevin

On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 5:30 AM, Nora & Bruce Mai
<casamai@sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> Any ideas on how to deal with this?
>
>
>
> http://www.costume-con.org/gallery2/upgrade/index.php
>
>
>
>
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo!
> Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2467 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/24/2012
Subject: Re: Membership Numbers

I think Elaine meant 368 was the total. Two years out, you’re probably
looking at 100+. Mr. Mike’s totals will probably be more accurate.
However, given your unique situation with all the costumers who attend all
the anime cons there, you’ll probably have more trickle in sooner.

It used to be a real nail-biter (except maybe for CC26 – Kevin and Andy can
fill you in on that) up until the last 5-6 months before the con, but buying
habits have changed. If the economy continues its slide into the crapper,
it still might be. You’re going to get a lot of walk-ins. Also, up until
CC 28 or so, we had to deal with the costs of the FFF beforehand. Now that
it’s electronic, that takes a heck of a lot of pressure off you upfront,
except for initial hotel deposits, etc.

Bruce

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Kaijugal .
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 3:50 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [runacc] Membership Numbers
Importance: High

368 people registered 2 years out Elaine? Wow that’s impressive! 🙂

Of course we have an uphill battle as there are less people in the entire
COUNTRY of CANADA than in the STATE OF CALIFORNIA! ^_^;

Add to that people’s disproportional fears of crossing the border. (Which is
easy, I do it for conventions frequently with all sorts of costumes, giant
monsters, skulls and whatnot by car, plane, bus and train).
We even had so little luggage room when going to cc36, (I brought a mascot
among other things), that we Torontonians had to wear our full Pirate
costumes through airport security and on the plane!

Thank you for your answer Elaine! 🙂 🙂 🙂

I look forward to hearing from you other experienced Con-chairs!

~Dawn 🙂

> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: ecmami@hotmail.com
> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 20:46:59 -0400
> Subject: RE: [runacc] Membership Numbers
>
>
> Dawn, memberships seem to be higher on the sides of the continent,

probably because of higher local population. However, they seldom seem to
be below 250. We were fortunate enough to have 368! The key is constant
regional publicity and copious amounts of flyers at every possible venue
that is even vaguely related to costumes: bookstores, quilt & fabric
stores, craft stores, local sewing/quilting clubs & events. I even left
them in the dentist’s office!

>
> Elaine
> Retired Costume-Con Chair
>
>
>
>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: kaijugal@hotmail.com
> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 14:17:53 -0400
> Subject: [runacc] Membership Numbers
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> As you may know we are a little less than 2 years out from CC32.
>
> Can any former Con-Chairs or costume con members give me an idea of
> what our membership numbers should be looking like?
>
> ~Dawn – CC32
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo!
> Groups Links
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Links

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Group: runacc Message: 2468 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 7/25/2012
Subject: Re: Membership Numbers

I’m at 129 including Attending, Supporting, Voted not converted, and a
comps given as masquerade prizes.

Michael

On 2012-07-24 20:15, Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:
> I think Elaine meant 368 was the total. Two years out, you’re
> probably
> looking at 100+. Mr. Mike’s totals will probably be more accurate.
> However, given your unique situation with all the costumers who
> attend all
> the anime cons there, you’ll probably have more trickle in sooner.
>
> It used to be a real nail-biter (except maybe for CC26 – Kevin and
> Andy can
> fill you in on that) up until the last 5-6 months before the con,
> but
> buying
> habits have changed. If the economy continues its slide into the
> crapper,
> it still might be. You’re going to get a lot of walk-ins. Also, up
> until
> CC 28 or so, we had to deal with the costs of the FFF beforehand.
> Now
> that
> it’s electronic, that takes a heck of a lot of pressure off you
> upfront,
> except for initial hotel deposits, etc.
>
> Bruce

 

Group: runacc Message: 2469 From: Kevin Roche Date: 7/25/2012
Subject: Re: Membership Numbers
Dawn —

I’ll look for my backup of the full CC26 registration database, I’ll see if
I can extract a numbers vs reg-date plot for you.

Kevin

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Group: runacc Message: 2470 From: Kaijugal . Date: 7/25/2012
Subject: Re: Membership Numbers

Ironically you would think that it would be an easy sell at a 20,000+ person anime convention that is heavily into
costuming, however that hasn’t been the case at all, most of our memberships have come from the sci-fi, fantasy
and other communities. I’d be hard pressed to count a half dozen of our current memberships coming out
of Anime North (20,000+) and Otakuthon (6000+) not including Trixy and the other now Costume-Con
dedicated Montrealers.

I guess the attitude is, “I have the best costuming weekend at Anime North for $50, why would I pay more
to go to another, smaller con and risk having a crummy time?”

Working on attitude adjustments, including mine XD

~Dawn

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: casamai@sbcglobal.net
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 22:15:31 -0500
Subject: RE: [runacc] Membership Numbers

I think Elaine meant 368 was the total. Two years out, you’re probably

looking at 100+. Mr. Mike’s totals will probably be more accurate.

However, given your unique situation with all the costumers who attend all

the anime cons there, you’ll probably have more trickle in sooner.

It used to be a real nail-biter (except maybe for CC26 – Kevin and Andy can

fill you in on that) up until the last 5-6 months before the con, but buying

habits have changed. If the economy continues its slide into the crapper,

it still might be. You’re going to get a lot of walk-ins. Also, up until

CC 28 or so, we had to deal with the costs of the FFF beforehand. Now that

it’s electronic, that takes a heck of a lot of pressure off you upfront,

except for initial hotel deposits, etc.

Bruce

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From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of

Kaijugal .

Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 3:50 PM

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com

Subject: RE: [runacc] Membership Numbers

Importance: High

368 people registered 2 years out Elaine? Wow that’s impressive! 🙂

Of course we have an uphill battle as there are less people in the entire

COUNTRY of CANADA than in the STATE OF CALIFORNIA! ^_^;

Add to that people’s disproportional fears of crossing the border. (Which is

easy, I do it for conventions frequently with all sorts of costumes, giant

monsters, skulls and whatnot by car, plane, bus and train).

We even had so little luggage room when going to cc36, (I brought a mascot

among other things), that we Torontonians had to wear our full Pirate

costumes through airport security and on the plane!

Thank you for your answer Elaine! 🙂 🙂 🙂

I look forward to hearing from you other experienced Con-chairs!

~Dawn 🙂

> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com

> From: ecmami@hotmail.com

> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 20:46:59 -0400

> Subject: RE: [runacc] Membership Numbers

>

>

> Dawn, memberships seem to be higher on the sides of the continent,

probably because of higher local population. However, they seldom seem to

be below 250. We were fortunate enough to have 368! The key is constant

regional publicity and copious amounts of flyers at every possible venue

that is even vaguely related to costumes: bookstores, quilt & fabric

stores, craft stores, local sewing/quilting clubs & events. I even left

them in the dentist’s office!

>

> Elaine

> Retired Costume-Con Chair

>

>

>

>

> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com

> From: kaijugal@hotmail.com

> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 14:17:53 -0400

> Subject: [runacc] Membership Numbers

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Hello all,

>

> As you may know we are a little less than 2 years out from CC32.

>

> Can any former Con-Chairs or costume con members give me an idea of

> what our membership numbers should be looking like?

>

> ~Dawn – CC32

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Group: runacc Message: 2471 From: Kaijugal . Date: 7/25/2012
Subject: Re: Membership Numbers
That would be super lovely and helpful, thank you Kevin. 🙂

~Dawn

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: kevin@twistedimage.com
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 12:49:15 -0700
Subject: Re: [runacc] Membership Numbers

Dawn —

I’ll look for my backup of the full CC26 registration database, I’ll see if

I can extract a numbers vs reg-date plot for you.

Kevin

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Group: runacc Message: 2472 From: Kevin Roche Date: 7/25/2012
Subject: Re: Membership Numbers

I don’t remember if this group allows attachments; if it does, here’s a
plot of our pre-registration vs date, sorted by membership type, plus the
total.

If the image gets stripped, I’ll post it to the files section.

Our final count at-con was 876, so that means we sold an additional 228
memberships on-site.

Kevin

On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 2:00 PM, Kaijugal . <kaijugal@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>
> That would be super lovely and helpful, thank you Kevin. 🙂
>
> ~Dawn
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2473 From: runacc@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/25/2012
Subject: New file uploaded to runacc
Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the runacc
group.

File : /CC26 prereg.JPG
Uploaded by : sjleather <kevin@twistedimage.com>
Description : Costume-Con 26 Pre-registration vs date

You can access this file at the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/runacc/files/CC26%20prereg.JPG

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
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Group: runacc Message: 2474 From: Kevin Roche Date: 7/25/2012
Subject: Re: Membership Numbers

So the answer is, yes, it does strip attachments. I’ve just uploaded the
graph.

<
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Group: runacc Message: 2475 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 7/26/2012
Subject: Re: Membership Numbers

Dawn,

I really think that issue with drawing 20,000+ cosplayers from Anime
North (or any large local anime convention for that matter) is totally
due to semantics. I think that if you had flyers that said
“Cosplay-Con” they wouldn’t think twice about going. I’m planning to
make special color postcards for our upcoming 10,000 person anime
convention with cosplay in giant letters and written to specifically to
them because that is what they seem to respond to. If you happened to
see any of the coverage of San Diego Comic-Con on G4, anytime they
talked about costumes, it was always called cosplay.

Michael

On 2012-07-25 13:59, Kaijugal . wrote:
> Ironically you would think that it would be an easy sell at a 20,000+
> person anime convention that is heavily into
> costuming, however that hasn’t been the case at all, most of our
> memberships have come from the sci-fi, fantasy
> and other communities. I’d be hard pressed to count a half dozen of
> our current memberships coming out
> of Anime North (20,000+) and Otakuthon (6000+) not including Trixy
> and the other now Costume-Con
> dedicated Montrealers.
>
> I guess the attitude is, “I have the best costuming weekend at Anime
> North for $50, why would I pay more
> to go to another, smaller con and risk having a crummy time?”
>
> Working on attitude adjustments, including mine XD
>
> ~Dawn
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2476 From: Martin Gear Date: 7/26/2012
Subject: Re: Membership Numbers
While Michael has a point, I really worked the East coast anime conventions,Otakon’ Katsucon’ Anime USA, and New York Anime Festival before CC-27. The feeling that I got from a large number of cosplayers who could hold their own with the best was that they somehow felt that they weren’t in the same league with Costume Con. May I suggest that you use people who are familiar faces, e.g. Rickey, Gordon etc. to tell them how much their work is appreciated by us old farts and how much we’d like to learn from them.
It couldn’t hurt.
Marty

 

Group: runacc Message: 2477 From: Kaijugal . Date: 7/26/2012
Subject: Re: Membership Numbers

I agree Bruno.

This past Anime North I made up hot pink flyers with
Sailor Moon and Link from Legend of Zelda on it and
pitched it more towards cosplay focus for that reason,
BECAUSE IT’S TRUE! ^_^ You are wise. XD

~Dawn 🙂
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: bruno@soulmasque.com
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 21:01:48 -0700
Subject: RE: [runacc] Membership Numbers

Dawn,

I really think that issue with drawing 20,000+ cosplayers from Anime

North (or any large local anime convention for that matter) is totally

due to semantics. I think that if you had flyers that said

“Cosplay-Con” they wouldn’t think twice about going. I’m planning to

make special color postcards for our upcoming 10,000 person anime

convention with cosplay in giant letters and written to specifically to

them because that is what they seem to respond to. If you happened to

see any of the coverage of San Diego Comic-Con on G4, anytime they

talked about costumes, it was always called cosplay.

Michael

On 2012-07-25 13:59, Kaijugal . wrote:

> Ironically you would think that it would be an easy sell at a 20,000+

> person anime convention that is heavily into

> costuming, however that hasn’t been the case at all, most of our

> memberships have come from the sci-fi, fantasy

> and other communities. I’d be hard pressed to count a half dozen of

> our current memberships coming out

> of Anime North (20,000+) and Otakuthon (6000+) not including Trixy

> and the other now Costume-Con

> dedicated Montrealers.

>

> I guess the attitude is, “I have the best costuming weekend at Anime

> North for $50, why would I pay more

> to go to another, smaller con and risk having a crummy time?”

>

> Working on attitude adjustments, including mine XD

>

> ~Dawn

>

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Group: runacc Message: 2478 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/26/2012
Subject: Re: Membership Numbers
I’ll bet a lot of that breaks down by age. The younger ones have the attitude that Dawn mentioned, because it’s all about being the characters. The ones Marty mentioned are somewhat older. IN any case, for better or worse, it’s an uphill battle with that term “Cosplay” being applied to all costuming because of sheer numbers of more people are familiar with that term, even though I suspect a lot of them (certainly the media) doesn’t know the context.

Bruce

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From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Gear
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 11:34 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [runacc] Membership Numbers

While Michael has a point, I really worked the East coast anime conventions,Otakon’ Katsucon’ Anime USA, and New York Anime Festival before CC-27. The feeling that I got from a large number of cosplayers who could hold their own with the best was that they somehow felt that they weren’t in the same league with Costume Con. May I suggest that you use people who are familiar faces, e.g. Rickey, Gordon etc. to tell them how much their work is appreciated by us old farts and how much we’d like to learn from them.
It couldn’t hurt.
Marty

 

Group: runacc Message: 2479 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 7/26/2012
Subject: Re: Membership Numbers
There’s also a fine line between attracting costumers from different
backgrounds and just pulling in people from one area.

With CCXV I found I spent a LOT of time convincing historic costumers
(reenactors and such) that it was worth the time because the focus wasn’t
solely on media or fantasy costuming. If we don’t want the Historical
Masquerade to go away, we need to address those folks separately.

Trying to be all things to all people is difficult at best. There is no
single best approach to attract everyone. What will appeal to one group
will turn the other one off, unless you can get the stuff out there that
both want to see.

I urge everyone with CCs coming in the next few years to get your programs
in line ASAP so you can start to put that out to the folks who will be your
potential participants. I can’t tell you how many times I heard “what will
we do while we’re there” in the course of pushing my own CC.

Even if you can’t publish the whole list of panels and workshops, the
sooner you list the ones you know you’ll have (or would really like), the
better. Make it worth their money to come and learn techniques they might
not know already. That’s the best way to catch folks who might see the cost
as a problem!

Oh, and a picture’s worth a thousand words. Just saying.

(My $0.02, from the lurker’s corner. It looks very much like Toronto might
be my next best hope for a CC.)

Betsy



Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

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Group: runacc Message: 2480 From: Kevin Roche Date: 7/26/2012
Subject: Re: Membership Numbers
CC26 developed a whole series of specialized “XXX at Costume-Con? Of
Course!” fliers for different markets. They proved useful for just the
reasons people have been describing.

Kevin

Sent from my iPad

 

Group: runacc Message: 2481 From: martingear@comcast.net Date: 7/26/2012
Subject: Re: Membership Numbers
Bruce,
Yes, the ones that I was thinking about who didn’t think that were “good
enough” were in their 20’s, were FIT or Parson’s graduates and are now
working in the theater or fashion industries. It just blows my mind.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

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From: Nora & Bruce Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, Jul 26, 2012 12:22:15 GMT+00:00
Subject: RE: [runacc] Membership Numbers

I’ll bet a lot of that breaks down by age. The younger ones have the
attitude that Dawn mentioned, because it’s all about being the characters.
The ones Marty mentioned are somewhat older. IN any case, for better or
worse, it’s an uphill battle with that term “Cosplay” being applied to all
costuming because of sheer numbers of more people are familiar with that
term, even though I suspect a lot of them (certainly the media) doesn’t know
the context.

Bruce

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Martin Gear
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 11:34 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [runacc] Membership Numbers

While Michael has a point, I really worked the East coast anime
conventions,Otakon’ Katsucon’ Anime USA, and New York Anime Festival before
CC-27. The feeling that I got from a large number of cosplayers who could
hold their own with the best was that they somehow felt that they weren’t in
the same league with Costume Con. May I suggest that you use people who are
familiar faces, e.g. Rickey, Gordon etc. to tell them how much their work is
appreciated by us old farts and how much we’d like to learn from them.
It couldn’t hurt.
Marty

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Group: runacc Message: 2482 From: Kaijugal . Date: 7/26/2012
Subject: Re: Membership Numbers
Although that might play some part it’s not specifically about being their character.
It’s about spending $50 for a yearly pilgrimage/comprehensive con experience with
all their school friends and about 20,000 other people
as opposed to spending $50+ for a con they and their 16 year old friends know nothing about
and don’t want to risk their money on if it might suck.

Unfortunately in the Anime World, everybody and his cat starts conventions
thinking it’s the easy way to a quick buck, so there are oodles of first time,
never to be seen again, crash a burn cons. People are leery of spending their
dollar at something they don’t know anything about.

~Dane

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: casamai@sbcglobal.net
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 07:22:15 -0500
Subject: RE: [runacc] Membership Numbers

I’ll bet a lot of that breaks down by age. The younger ones have the attitude that Dawn mentioned, because it’s all about being the characters. The ones Marty mentioned are somewhat older. IN any case, for better or worse, it’s an uphill battle with that term “Cosplay” being applied to all costuming because of sheer numbers of more people are familiar with that term, even though I suspect a lot of them (certainly the media) doesn’t know the context.

Bruce

—–Original Message—–

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Gear

Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 11:34 PM

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com

Subject: RE: [runacc] Membership Numbers

While Michael has a point, I really worked the East coast anime conventions,Otakon’ Katsucon’ Anime USA, and New York Anime Festival before CC-27. The feeling that I got from a large number of cosplayers who could hold their own with the best was that they somehow felt that they weren’t in the same league with Costume Con. May I suggest that you use people who are familiar faces, e.g. Rickey, Gordon etc. to tell them how much their work is appreciated by us old farts and how much we’d like to learn from them.

It couldn’t hurt.

Marty

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Group: runacc Message: 2483 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 7/26/2012
Subject: Re: Membership Numbers

In a message dated 7/26/2012 8:25:53 AM Central Daylight Time,
aramintamd@gmail.com writes:

> There’s also a fine line between attracting costumers from different
> backgrounds and just pulling in people from one area.
>
> With CCXV I found I spent a LOT of time convincing historic costumers
> (reenactors and such) that it was worth the time because the focus wasn’t
> solely on media or fantasy costuming. If we don’t want the Historical
> Masquerade to go away, we need to address those folks separately.
>
>
>

I totally agree! I have found that amongst the Historical Reenactors, there
are fabric and costume enthusiasts. The trick is find them. And they will
bring a few friends to the con.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2484 From: Byron Connell Date: 7/26/2012
Subject: Re: Membership Numbers

I agree. We tend to develop our programming too late (a habit we inherited from SF cons that we should break). Potential members want to know what they’ll be doing before they buy memberships, so descriptions (or at least lists) of demonstrations, workshops, discussions, and so forth — even if tentative — are needed as early as possible, not just the descriptions of the major stage events. Photos should extend to candid shots of members of prior cons enjoying the activities — especially in hall costumes — as well as shots of stage costumes. Photos of the venue don’t hurt, either (assuming it’s attractive).

Byron

.

On Jul 26, 2012, at 9:25 AM, Betsy Marks Delaney wrote:

> There’s also a fine line between attracting costumers from different
> backgrounds and just pulling in people from one area.
>
> With CCXV I found I spent a LOT of time convincing historic costumers
> (reenactors and such) that it was worth the time because the focus wasn’t
> solely on media or fantasy costuming. If we don’t want the Historical
> Masquerade to go away, we need to address those folks separately.
>
> Trying to be all things to all people is difficult at best. There is no
> single best approach to attract everyone. What will appeal to one group
> will turn the other one off, unless you can get the stuff out there that
> both want to see.
>
> I urge everyone with CCs coming in the next few years to get your programs
> in line ASAP so you can start to put that out to the folks who will be your
> potential participants. I can’t tell you how many times I heard “what will
> we do while we’re there” in the course of pushing my own CC.
>
> Even if you can’t publish the whole list of panels and workshops, the
> sooner you list the ones you know you’ll have (or would really like), the
> better. Make it worth their money to come and learn techniques they might
> not know already. That’s the best way to catch folks who might see the cost
> as a problem!
>
> Oh, and a picture’s worth a thousand words. Just saying.
>
> (My $0.02, from the lurker’s corner. It looks very much like Toronto might
> be my next best hope for a CC.)
>
> Betsy
> —
> —
> —
> Betsy Marks Delaney
>
> http://www.hawkeswood.com/
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Group: runacc Message: 2485 From: Byron Connell Date: 7/26/2012
Subject: Re: Membership Numbers

So, in addition to my response to Betsy, it might make sense to emphasize that we’ve been running these for over 30 years and draw on a North America-wide network of persons with experience in doing so.

Byron

.

On Jul 26, 2012, at 2:12 PM, Kaijugal . wrote:

>
>
> Although that might play some part it’s not specifically about being their character.
> It’s about spending $50 for a yearly pilgrimage/comprehensive con experience with
> all their school friends and about 20,000 other people
> as opposed to spending $50+ for a con they and their 16 year old friends know nothing about
> and don’t want to risk their money on if it might suck.
>
> Unfortunately in the Anime World, everybody and his cat starts conventions
> thinking it’s the easy way to a quick buck, so there are oodles of first time,
> never to be seen again, crash a burn cons. People are leery of spending their
> dollar at something they don’t know anything about.
>
> ~Dane
>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: casamai@sbcglobal.net
> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 07:22:15 -0500
> Subject: RE: [runacc] Membership Numbers
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>
> I’ll bet a lot of that breaks down by age. The younger ones have the attitude that Dawn mentioned, because it’s all about being the characters. The ones Marty mentioned are somewhat older. IN any case, for better or worse, it’s an uphill battle with that term “Cosplay” being applied to all costuming because of sheer numbers of more people are familiar with that term, even though I suspect a lot of them (certainly the media) doesn’t know the context.
>
>
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
> —–Original Message—–
>
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Gear
>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 11:34 PM
>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
>
> Subject: RE: [runacc] Membership Numbers
>
>
>
> While Michael has a point, I really worked the East coast anime conventions,Otakon’ Katsucon’ Anime USA, and New York Anime Festival before CC-27. The feeling that I got from a large number of cosplayers who could hold their own with the best was that they somehow felt that they weren’t in the same league with Costume Con. May I suggest that you use people who are familiar faces, e.g. Rickey, Gordon etc. to tell them how much their work is appreciated by us old farts and how much we’d like to learn from them.
>
> It couldn’t hurt.
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> Marty
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Group: runacc Message: 2486 From: Elaine Mami Date: 7/26/2012
Subject: Re: Membership Numbers
For CC 30 Marg made variations of our flier for different target audiences. Folks at Estrella War were not as interested in anime programming as in historical, and so forth. We even had some especially for quilt shows, and got 2 vendors from them – one for fabrics and one for trims.

Elaine
Nil significat nisi oscillat!

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: aramintamd@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 08:25:49 -0500
Subject: Re: [runacc] Membership Numbers

There’s also a fine line between attracting costumers from different
backgrounds and just pulling in people from one area.

With CCXV I found I spent a LOT of time convincing historic costumers
(reenactors and such) that it was worth the time because the focus wasn’t
solely on media or fantasy costuming. If we don’t want the Historical
Masquerade to go away, we need to address those folks separately.

Trying to be all things to all people is difficult at best. There is no
single best approach to attract everyone. What will appeal to one group
will turn the other one off, unless you can get the stuff out there that
both want to see.

I urge everyone with CCs coming in the next few years to get your programs
in line ASAP so you can start to put that out to the folks who will be your
potential participants. I can’t tell you how many times I heard “what will
we do while we’re there” in the course of pushing my own CC.

Even if you can’t publish the whole list of panels and workshops, the
sooner you list the ones you know you’ll have (or would really like), the
better. Make it worth their money to come and learn techniques they might
not know already. That’s the best way to catch folks who might see the cost
as a problem!

Oh, and a picture’s worth a thousand words. Just saying.

(My $0.02, from the lurker’s corner. It looks very much like Toronto might
be my next best hope for a CC.)

Betsy



Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

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Group: runacc Message: 2487 From: cgalway@xmission.com Date: 7/27/2012
Subject: Re: Membership Numbers
Back at CC-23 in 2005 (Ogden, Utah), I was looking into placing an ad
in “Threads” Magazine. It didn’t make financial sense for us to buy
an ad in a national publication (just for us), but I thought it might
make sense for 3 cons to do so. (I can’t recall if we ever placed an
ad.)

If someone reading Threads realized they wanted to go, and that they
might have one reasonably close in the next three years, I thought it
would help bring in new (non-SF-Con) attendees.

I even wonder if Threads might like to do an article on Costume-Con.
They might find it picturesque.

Charles Galway

 

Group: runacc Message: 2488 From: Byron Connell Date: 7/27/2012
Subject: Re: Membership Numbers

Threads ran at least one article about Costume-Con in the past, if I recall correctly, so a new one might not be out of the question.

A multi-year CC ad might be cost-effective, depending on the ad rates.

Byron

On Jul 27, 2012, at 12:44 PM, cgalway@xmission.com wrote:

> Back at CC-23 in 2005 (Ogden, Utah), I was looking into placing an ad
> in “Threads” Magazine. It didn’t make financial sense for us to buy
> an ad in a national publication (just for us), but I thought it might
> make sense for 3 cons to do so. (I can’t recall if we ever placed an
> ad.)
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> If someone reading Threads realized they wanted to go, and that they
> might have one reasonably close in the next three years, I thought it
> would help bring in new (non-SF-Con) attendees.
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> I even wonder if Threads might like to do an article on Costume-Con.
> They might find it picturesque.
>
> Charles Galway
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Group: runacc Message: 2489 From: Trudy Leonard Date: 7/27/2012
Subject: Re: Membership Numbers

CC22 did place an ad in the back section of Threads. It got us listed in their calendar of events, monthly. We also received a batch of addresses each month on press-on labels of those who had expressed interest in learning more. I then mailed flyers to those folks. I know at least one person who told me that they were attending because they saw it in Threads. That one membership paid for the ad. Even it that was the only person it got us, we felt it was worth it.

(It also got us free issues of Threads for a year, but that was just a bonus)

Trudy

> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: byronpconnell@gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 19:31:21 -0400
> Subject: Re: [runacc] Membership Numbers
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> Threads ran at least one article about Costume-Con in the past, if I recall correctly, so a new one might not be out of the question.
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> A multi-year CC ad might be cost-effective, depending on the ad rates.
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> Byron
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> On Jul 27, 2012, at 12:44 PM, cgalway@xmission.com wrote:
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> > Back at CC-23 in 2005 (Ogden, Utah), I was looking into placing an ad
> > in “Threads” Magazine. It didn’t make financial sense for us to buy
> > an ad in a national publication (just for us), but I thought it might
> > make sense for 3 cons to do so. (I can’t recall if we ever placed an
> > ad.)
> >
> > If someone reading Threads realized they wanted to go, and that they
> > might have one reasonably close in the next three years, I thought it
> > would help bring in new (non-SF-Con) attendees.
> >
> > I even wonder if Threads might like to do an article on Costume-Con.
> > They might find it picturesque.
> >
> > Charles Galway
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Group: runacc Message: 2490 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 8/21/2012
Subject: input required on folio rules
We have submissions from two designers for the CC31 folio, who
photographed their designs, rather than scanning them. They also just
sent colored sketches and not black and white. One is a 12 yo English
girl (who really dreams of being a designer), the other is an adult.
Both designers have been asked to resubmit per the rules, neither have
complied appropriately. We’re considering making an exception for the
child and maybe retracing her designs to get line drawings. The adults
photographs are actually worse than the child’s; at an angle, with her
arm in the picture, etc. We feel the adult should be able to follow the
instructions.

Any thoughts from the gallery?

Michael
CC31

 

Group: runacc Message: 2491 From: Kaijugal . Date: 8/21/2012
Subject: Re: input required on folio rules
Personally I draw shaded sketches in almost every instance but I have always
tried to clean up or retrace my art in black and white line art as per the rules.

A couple of times in the past folios have published shaded sketches, and
I found it to be quite annoying as it seems to mean the rules only apply
to certain people.

You have to decide if they are rules or guidelines.

Obviously in the case of Children as with most competitions and activities
having some leeway is sensible. I’d be happy to volunteer to use photoshop
to trace out or convert the child’s entry as true to the original as possible in the spirit
of being helpful.

~Dawn
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: bruno@soulmasque.com
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 21:28:51 -0700
Subject: [runacc] input required on folio rules

We have submissions from two designers for the CC31 folio, who

photographed their designs, rather than scanning them. They also just

sent colored sketches and not black and white. One is a 12 yo English

girl (who really dreams of being a designer), the other is an adult.

Both designers have been asked to resubmit per the rules, neither have

complied appropriately. We’re considering making an exception for the

child and maybe retracing her designs to get line drawings. The adults

photographs are actually worse than the child’s; at an angle, with her

arm in the picture, etc. We feel the adult should be able to follow the

instructions.

Any thoughts from the gallery?

Michael

CC31

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Group: runacc Message: 2492 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 8/21/2012
Subject: Re: input required on folio rules

We have another designer who sent mostly shaded sketches and a few line
drawings. I feel that the photographs of the sketches are a bigger
problem than the colored in sketches.

Michael

On 2012-08-20 22:37, Kaijugal . wrot

> Personally I draw shaded sketches in almost every instance but I have
> always
> tried to clean up or retrace my art in black and white line art as
> per the rules.
>
> A couple of times in the past folios have published shaded sketches,
> and
> I found it to be quite annoying as it seems to mean the rules only
> apply
> to certain people.
>
> You have to decide if they are rules or guidelines.
>
> Obviously in the case of Children as with most competitions and
> activities
> having some leeway is sensible. I’d be happy to volunteer to use
> photoshop
> to trace out or convert the child’s entry as true to the original as
> possible in the spirit
> of being helpful.
>
> ~Dawn

 

Group: runacc Message: 2493 From: Martin Gear Date: 8/21/2012
Subject: Re: input required on folio rules

What Dawn said. Cut the kid some slack, expect the adult to follow the
rules or not appear, particularly since you have asked him/her to do so.
Marty

On 8/21/2012 1:37 AM, Kaijugal . wrote:
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> Personally I draw shaded sketches in almost every instance but I have always
> tried to clean up or retrace my art in black and white line art as per the rules.
>
> A couple of times in the past folios have published shaded sketches, and
> I found it to be quite annoying as it seems to mean the rules only apply
> to certain people.
>
> You have to decide if they are rules or guidelines.
>
> Obviously in the case of Children as with most competitions and activities
> having some leeway is sensible. I’d be happy to volunteer to use photoshop
> to trace out or convert the child’s entry as true to the original as possible in the spirit
> of being helpful.
>
> ~Dawn
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: bruno@soulmasque.com
> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 21:28:51 -0700
> Subject: [runacc] input required on folio rules
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Group: runacc Message: 2494 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 8/21/2012
Subject: Re: input required on folio rules

You also have to decide if they amount of time required to clean them up is worth it. Several hours of tweaking is generally too much for a single design. All designs will require some amount of manipulation but if you devote that amount of time to every submitted design then the production required for the completed folio is prohibitive.

We have made allowances for children and designers from other countries (non-English speaking) in the past but I’m not sure that’s always a good idea. In this case the adult has no valid reason for not complying. The young designer is 12 (not that young) and English-speaking so has little reason to not understand what you are asking for. If they have been contacted and still fail to comply I would generally feel that you have every reason to disqualify both.

And we don’t need to go into how tracing and large amounts of tweaking actual change the original sketch sufficiently that you may actually be altering their original intent – from a designer point of view.

Nora

— On Tue, 8/21/12, Kaijugal . <kaijugal@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Kaijugal . <kaijugal@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [runacc] input required on folio rules
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, August 21, 2012, 12:37 AM

Personally I draw shaded sketches in almost every instance but I have always
tried to clean up or retrace my art in black and white line art as per the rules.

A couple of times in the past folios have published shaded sketches, and
I found it to be quite annoying as it seems to mean the rules only apply
to certain people.

You have to decide if they are rules or guidelines.

Obviously in the case of Children as with most competitions and activities
having some leeway is sensible. I’d be happy to volunteer to use photoshop
to trace out or convert the child’s entry as true to the original as possible in the spirit
of being helpful.

~Dawn
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: bruno@soulmasque.com
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 21:28:51 -0700
Subject: [runacc] input required on folio rules

We have submissions from two designers for the CC31 folio, who

photographed their designs, rather than scanning them.  They also just

sent colored sketches and not black and white.  One is a 12 yo English

girl (who really dreams of being a designer), the other is an adult.

Both designers have been asked to resubmit per the rules, neither have

complied appropriately.  We’re considering making an exception for the

child and maybe retracing her designs to get line drawings.  The adults

photographs are actually worse than the child’s; at an angle, with her

arm in the picture, etc.  We feel the adult should be able to follow the

instructions.

Any thoughts from the gallery?

Michael

CC31

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Group: runacc Message: 2495 From: Byron Connell Date: 8/21/2012
Subject: Re: input required on folio rules

I agree. Not too much slack.

Byron

On Aug 21, 2012, at 12:42 PM, Martin Gear <MartinGear@comcast.net> wrote:

> What Dawn said. Cut the kid some slack, expect the adult to follow the
> rules or not appear, particularly since you have asked him/her to do so.
> Marty
> On 8/21/2012 1:37 AM, Kaijugal . wrote:
> >
> > Personally I draw shaded sketches in almost every instance but I have always
> > tried to clean up or retrace my art in black and white line art as per the rules.
> >
> > A couple of times in the past folios have published shaded sketches, and
> > I found it to be quite annoying as it seems to mean the rules only apply
> > to certain people.
> >
> > You have to decide if they are rules or guidelines.
> >
> > Obviously in the case of Children as with most competitions and activities
> > having some leeway is sensible. I’d be happy to volunteer to use photoshop
> > to trace out or convert the child’s entry as true to the original as possible in the spirit
> > of being helpful.
> >
> > ~Dawn
> > To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> > From: bruno@soulmasque.com
> > Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 21:28:51 -0700
> > Subject: [runacc] input required on folio rules
> >
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> >
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> >
> > girl (who really dreams of being a designer), the other is an adult.
> >
> > Both designers have been asked to resubmit per the rules, neither have
> >
> > complied appropriately. We’re considering making an exception for the
> >
> > child and maybe retracing her designs to get line drawings. The adults
> >
> > photographs are actually worse than the child’s; at an angle, with her
> >
> > arm in the picture, etc. We feel the adult should be able to follow the
> >
> > instructions.
> >
> >
> >
> > Any thoughts from the gallery?
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Group: runacc Message: 2496 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 10/28/2012
Subject: historical workmanship judging guidelines
I had someone ask me yesterday if there are judging guidelines for the
historical workmanship so that people know exactly what they are being
judged on. The question came from someone who is a pretty serious
historical costumer, is a past officer in Costume Society of America and
never been to CC. Is more weight given to hand sewing or is machine
sewing acceptable for the historical?

Michael

 

Group: runacc Message: 2497 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 10/28/2012
Subject: Re: historical workmanship judging guidelines

The main thing they look for is research. Modern substitutions are allowed
but they need to be declared modern. For example, a 15th century dress
will be marked down if it is machine sewn and there’s no research, but will
not be marked down if there is research saying “the original garment would
have been hand sewn, mine is machine sewn for expediency”. There is always
a slight bias towards the historical methods, but only slight if things are
well researched. I will work more on getting judging guidelines officially
written up for the website.

On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 11:26 PM, <bruno@soulmasque.com> wrote:

> I had someone ask me yesterday if there are judging guidelines for the
> historical workmanship so that people know exactly what they are being
> judged on. The question came from someone who is a pretty serious
> historical costumer, is a past officer in Costume Society of America and
> never been to CC. Is more weight given to hand sewing or is machine
> sewing acceptable for the historical?
>
> Michael
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> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo!
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Group: runacc Message: 2498 From: Karen Heim Date: 10/29/2012
Subject: Re: historical workmanship judging guidelines

Machine sewing is acceptable. As always, document what
would have been done, such as a particular seam finishing
technique best done by hand, for example. If s/he is
working in a period pre-sewing machine, it is his/her
choice. As a former Historical judge, I understand that
we don’t all have the time to do everything by hand,
whether that would have been the only method or not.

Karen

On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 20:26:40 -0700
bruno@soulmasque.com wrote:

> I had someone ask me yesterday if there are judging
>guidelines for the
> historical workmanship so that people know exactly what
>they are being
> judged on. The question came from someone who is a
>pretty serious
> historical costumer, is a past officer in Costume
>Society of America and
> never been to CC. Is more weight given to hand sewing
>or is machine
> sewing acceptable for the historical?
>
> Michael
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2499 From: Byron Connell Date: 10/29/2012
Subject: Re: historical workmanship judging guidelines

Yes, there are judging guidelines. The masquerade director usually includes them as part of the rules for the masquerade.

For nearly 15 years, judging at historical masquerades has covered (1) research and documentation, (2) workmanship, and (3) presentation. However, the relative weight — and the details — are decided by the MD and the judges. Usually, the documentation ought to describe and justify departures such as machine sewing, if a garment is from a pre-sewing-machine era, or substitution of fabrics. You could steer the costumer making the inquiry to my rules for the CC 29 Historical, which discussed our expectations and which are still available on the CC 29 web site:

http://www.cc29nj.com/historical.aspx

Detailed questions probably would have to be answered by the director of the masquerade in question, however.

Byron

On Oct 29, 2012, at 4:18 AM, “Karen Heim” <axejudge@accessus.net> wrote:

> Machine sewing is acceptable. As always, document what
> would have been done, such as a particular seam finishing
> technique best done by hand, for example. If s/he is
> working in a period pre-sewing machine, it is his/her
> choice. As a former Historical judge, I understand that
> we don’t all have the time to do everything by hand,
> whether that would have been the only method or not.
>
> Karen
>
> On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 20:26:40 -0700
> bruno@soulmasque.com wrote:
> > I had someone ask me yesterday if there are judging
> >guidelines for the
> > historical workmanship so that people know exactly what
> >they are being
> > judged on. The question came from someone who is a
> >pretty serious
> > historical costumer, is a past officer in Costume
> >Society of America and
> > never been to CC. Is more weight given to hand sewing
> >or is machine
> > sewing acceptable for the historical?
> >
> > Michael
> >
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2500 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 10/29/2012
Subject: one day memberships and masquerade entries
A recent thought on one day memberships . . . at most conventions, one
could get a one day membership for Saturday only, register for the
masquerade that day and be in the masquerade. However, I think at CC,
masquerade registration traditionally closes on Friday night. Are
people allowed to enter the masquerades with only a membership for the
day of the masquerade. I know we generally want full weekend attending
memberships, but we could lose potential masquerade entries and one day
memberships.

Thoughts?

Michael
CC31

 

Group: runacc Message: 2501 From: Elaine Mami Date: 10/30/2012
Subject: Re: one day memberships and masquerade entries
When I’ve run the SF/F at CCs, registration closed around noon-ish on the day of the masquerade. I’ve seen that to be the rule, rather than the exception.
Elaine

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: bruno@soulmasque.com
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 20:09:04 -0700
Subject: [runacc] one day memberships and masquerade entries

A recent thought on one day memberships . . . at most conventions, one

could get a one day membership for Saturday only, register for the

masquerade that day and be in the masquerade. However, I think at CC,

masquerade registration traditionally closes on Friday night. Are

people allowed to enter the masquerades with only a membership for the

day of the masquerade. I know we generally want full weekend attending

memberships, but we could lose potential masquerade entries and one day

memberships.

Thoughts?

Michael

CC31

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Group: runacc Message: 2448 From: Margie Date: 6/19/2012
Subject: Re: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Wrap up
Group: runacc Message: 2449 From: Margie Date: 6/19/2012
Subject: Re: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: General masquerade notes
Group: runacc Message: 2450 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/1/2012
Subject: Signed releases
Group: runacc Message: 2451 From: martingear@comcast.net Date: 7/1/2012
Subject: Re: Signed releases

 


 

Group: runacc Message: 2402 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 6/9/2012
Subject: Re: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Exhibits
You could schedule exhibit tours for a couple of specific times each day,
or days (if the exhibit rotates). I could be wrong, but it seems to me that
exhibits have been static a very long time. There was a time (until just
after CC9, maybe) when exhibits rotated at least once. I had one rotation –
Friday/Saturday and Sunday/Monday, so we had two different sets of items on
display. The first rotation was fantasy/SF oriented and the second
historical. Included was a retrospective of Jennifer Ketcham’s work (which
spanned both exhibits). I had every snow queen to date on exhibit there,
IIRC.

I’ve been sad to see exhibits so reduced. Some years there haven’t been
labels for the artists or the works, and we’ve had to guess who did what.

Exhibit set-up/tear down is a lot of work, especially if the exhibit
changes, but I think it’s worth the time if you can get enough folks to
agree to show their stuff.

Then again, I am all about show and tell.

Betsy



Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

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Group: runacc Message: 2403 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/9/2012
Subject: Re: Costume-Con Review – Runacc: Panel Programming

On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 5:24 AM, Nora & Bruce Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> The Monday Costume-Con operations seminar track, which ran just about all
> day, was surprisingly and moderately, successful. Panels ran 30 minutes
> each, and covered topics such as running masquerades, setting the rules,
> paperwork, choosing judges, judges etiquette documentation, etc. No new
> people, but those who were on future committees found the discussions of
> interest. So, this track seemed to work.
>

the morning topics were very lightly attended, the afternoon topics had a
much more full room. It appeared to be a time-of-day thing, not the topics
themselves.

andy

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Group: runacc Message: 2404 From: lisa58@juno.com Date: 6/10/2012
Subject: Re: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Exhibits

At least for CC33, which I am programming, I will look for someone/s to
docent tours on Sat. and and on Sun. mornings. (Maybe we will have 2 of
us do it together for about an hour each time). I Can put it in as a
“regular” program item, and work with the person designated to do
Exhibits, so maybe there are some Exhibits known in advance. Knowing in
advance can make the difference between good, really informative signage,
and little to no signage, as well. If the Quilts/dolls/special contests
are exhibited in the same area, perhaps this could be included. I’d
like to include a “Novice” or “Basic” costume track, sprinkled through
out the weekend, to try to appeal to people with different skill sets. I
thought the CC just past did this well–I stopped in on several of the
“Steampunk” make it yourself workshops, and they were terrific (and quite
well-attended). And I think it gives people a nice sense of inclusion,
to be able to make some accessory that they can wear immediately.

We also did a “Mini-hat” decorating workshop at Balticon right after that
(we made up kits for $10 including a miniature hat with hair clips on it,
and various trim, tulle, decorations, and fringe, that could be hot-glued
on, and we ran out of kits! it was so popular). And for the rest of the
con, we saw various and sundry people wearing their mini-hats
everywhere–which was the best advertising ever. And many of those who
came were not really “costumers” (at least not known to our Guild
previously). (I digress only to say that people really love workshops).

Just brainstorming…..maybe the docented tour could concluded each day
with 10 mins. discussion/questions about what was displayed. i.e. How
does that [detail] get manufactured? What kind of tool is needed for
[making that element]? How do you start making a complex costume?

Yours in cosutmign,Lisa a

On Fri, 8 Jun 2012 20:04:17 -0500 “Nora & Bruce Mai”
<casamai@sbcglobal.net> writes:

> Yes! I believe we’ve talked about docented tours in the past.
> Kinda
> forgot about that suggestion. I think that would require more prep
> ahead of
> time, to be sure of what you’d be getting. Then, you have to give
> your
> docent (and you’ll probably need more than one) lead time to learn
> the stuff
> – or at least have notes to read from. This almost requires having
> a vet or
> at least someone who has costumed for many years.
>
> Bruce
>
> —–Original Message—–
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> Behalf Of
> lisa58@juno.com
> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 8:24 AM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [runacc] Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Exhibits
>
> My two cents on Exhibits:
>
>
>
> I’ve often felt that Exhibits gets marginalized a little bit. I’d
> liket o
> see, at least on Sat. and Sunday of hte con, a morning docented tour
> through
> it, with a “more experienced” costumer maybe pointing out details
> that
> wouldn’t otherwise be noticed. I’d also like to see an area where
> historical or other masq. documentation could be perhaps exhibited,
> even
> looked at more closely.
>
>
> Yorus in costuming,Lisa A
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 8 Jun 2012 07:05:05 -0500 “Nora & Bruce Mai”
> <casamai@sbcglobal.net> writes:
> > Seemed..okay given that Henry had to scramble when he was asked to
>
> > pick up for Dora when she couldn’t come. It had a few more
> historical
> > costumes than FS & F/Fantasy, but you’re really at the mercy of
> who
> > bothers to bring stuff. Henry can address this more. The number
> of
> > quilts was probably pretty good, given that they’re not costumes.
>
> > That had around a dozen, as well. And the Doll contest had a good
>
> > turnout. Space for all these was adequate.
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Group: runacc Message: 2405 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/10/2012
Subject: Re: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Exhibits

In a message dated 6/8/2012 7:05:10 AM Central Daylight Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> Seemed..okay given that Henry had to scramble when he was asked to pick
> up
> for Dora when she couldn’t come. It had a few more historical costumes
> than
> FS &F/Fantasy, but you’re really at the mercy of who bothers to bring
> stuff. Henry can address this more.
>
>
>

I was concerned about getting enough costumes more than a variety. At one
point before the con, I found out that my assistant, who was more of cohort,
had been working on getting outfits to display also. We had some overlap,
but some ones different from each other. There was also some vagueness in
whether someone was bring a dress form, or an outfit, or both. I tried to get
outfits from local folks, and we did get some.

I also attempted to get outfits from local Cowboy Reenactors and Native
American Dancers because I, personally, know how great their outfits are.
Unfortunately, we did not have any from them.

Henry Osier

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Group: runacc Message: 2406 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 6/10/2012
Subject: Re: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Exhibits

At 07:05 AM 6/8/2012, you wrote:

Two Dozen Quilts

>Seemed..okay given that Henry had to scramble when he was asked to pick up
>for Dora when she couldn’t come. It had a few more historical costumes than
>FS & F/Fantasy, but you’re really at the mercy of who bothers to bring
>stuff. Henry can address this more. The number of quilts was probably
>pretty good, given that they’re not costumes. That had around a dozen, as
>well. And the Doll contest had a good turnout. Space for all these was
>adequate.

International Costumers’ Guild Archivist

http://www.costume.org/gallery2/main.php

“Those Who Fail to Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly –
Why They Are Simply Doomed.”

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C. Y. 4971

Andromeda

 

Group: runacc Message: 2407 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/11/2012
Subject: Re: Costume-Con Review – Runacc: Panel Programming

That’s not too surprising, I suppose. People have to drag themselves out of
bed. Wonder if there’s any way to motivate people to get to the earlier
panels?

Bruce

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Andrew Trembley
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 9:31 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Costume-Con Review – Runacc: Panel Programming

On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 5:24 AM, Nora & Bruce Mai
<casamai@sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> The Monday Costume-Con operations seminar track, which ran just about
> all day, was surprisingly and moderately, successful. Panels ran 30
> minutes each, and covered topics such as running masquerades, setting
> the rules, paperwork, choosing judges, judges etiquette documentation,
> etc. No new people, but those who were on future committees found the
> discussions of interest. So, this track seemed to work.
>

the morning topics were very lightly attended, the afternoon topics had a
much more full room. It appeared to be a time-of-day thing, not the topics
themselves.

andy

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Group: runacc Message: 2408 From: Lisa Ashton Date: 6/11/2012
Subject: Re: Costume-Con Review – Runacc: Panel Programming

There were a fair number of 9:00 am panels, and I thought they were decently attended. There are so many big events, masquerades, the Fashion Show, that we must use all the time we can for panels, since there are so many time slots that cannot be scheduled. I thought that having the Con Suite sponsored with breakfasts was totally awesome, and the breakfasts were AMAZING! Well worth getting up for (esp. the crepes from the Toronto group–thank you all!).
Many of use are early risers, so having breakfast/coffee available and being able to get to panels at that hour is a real treat.
Yours in cosutming, Lisa A
Subject: RE: [runacc] Costume-Con Review – Runacc: Panel Programming
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 07:22:01 -0500

That’s not too surprising, I suppose. People have to drag themselves out of
bed. Wonder if there’s any way to motivate people to get to the earlier
panels?

Bruce

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Andrew Trembley
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 9:31 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Costume-Con Review – Runacc: Panel Programming

On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 5:24 AM, Nora & Bruce Mai
<casamai@sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> The Monday Costume-Con operations seminar track, which ran just about
> all day, was surprisingly and moderately, successful. Panels ran 30
> minutes each, and covered topics such as running masquerades, setting
> the rules, paperwork, choosing judges, judges etiquette documentation,
> etc. No new people, but those who were on future committees found the
> discussions of interest. So, this track seemed to work.
>

the morning topics were very lightly attended, the afternoon topics had a
much more full room. It appeared to be a time-of-day thing, not the topics
themselves.

andy

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Group: runacc Message: 2409 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/11/2012
Subject: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Friday Night Social & Single Pattern
This generated quite a bit of discussion among the reviewers.

Separating the Single Pattern Show from the Future Fashion Show was a good
idea, but the way it was combined with the Social was not. The theory was
the Social theme was supposed to be the whole steampunk/weird west thing.
However, there was nothing decoration-wise that would have given that idea.

(There were some people in Old West Steampunk attire, though.) I’d
volunteered to bring down my “Wild Wild West” movie banner, which was hung
at the back of the stage, but given the lack of any other decorations, it
seemed incongruous to the rest of the goings-on.

The seating was another issue. Setting up the chairs most of the available
theatre-style made for difficulty moving around the room when there’s
supposed to be a “Social” going on.

The Single Pattern was run like a formal masquerade, which didn’t help,
either. It was very regimented: the Director insisted that every entry have
some sort of explanation/text for their entry(like the Folio) and wouldn’t
take “don’t have any” for an answer. They also insisted people should show
up in the Green Room as close to 5:00 as possible (with the show at 8:00) so
that judging would be able to take place. Given the (ordinarily) simplicity
of the Show, this was overkill.

When people arrived, the Director indicated that the entrants had to go to
one location to be judged, then move to a different location for
photography. The reasoning for this was so that it was known when people
were through with both tasks. Several people were annoyed by the confusion
this engendered.

The show itself went okay, although the MC was apparently unfamiliar with
what “CC” means. He also had some problems with some pronunciations. The
judging, took way too long. I can’t remember how many awards there were,
but it probably could have used a maximum, like the Fashion Show traditional
three. The more there are, the longer the judges will deliberate.

The “Social” amounted to being part of the halftime for the show. At least
the appetizers served were good and plentiful (however, they didn’t turn up
the lights up after the show so you couldn’t read the signs identifying what
some of the less obvious ones were).

Part of the wait for judges was occupied with the “Project Costume-Con”
show/competition (patterned after the “Project Runway” show). The concept
was an interesting idea, and the participants enjoyed themselves, but for me
and the people I was sitting with, it went on way too long. For anyone who
wasn’t a fan of the show, the pacing of the presenting of the outfits and
judging dragged and didn’t make for very interesting watching. At least the
outfits were well done. Most people thought PCC worth fine-tuning &
continuing, but there was a good suggestion made that perhaps it should be
spun off as a daytime program event where people could walk in and out of
the room, rather than having a “captive audience” as it was on Friday night.

The night continued to drag on, waiting for the judges to return. People
were getting bored, despite the runway show, and the photo run. The
drawing of names for door prizes with the tickets that had been handed out
earlier in the evening should have occurred throughout the evening – not at
the end. By the time the awards were announced, it was near or past 10:30
and people were heading for the exits.

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Group: runacc Message: 2410 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/12/2012
Subject: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Dealers Room
There appeared to be a pretty good selection of stuff for people who haven’t
been costuming as long. It would have been nice if there was more than one
book dealer, but at least that one book dealer was Janet Wilson-Anderson.
It was good to see her, considering she’d been having some serious health
issues in the past few years. Patterns of Time Looks to be a good source,
and we understand they’ll be very close to the CC31 site. From various
sources, some dealers did relatively well, but others did not sell much.
The room’s location (not being around the courtyard) probably didn’t help,
but at least it was open to the public.

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Group: runacc Message: 2411 From: tinathebookworm Date: 6/12/2012
Subject: Re: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Friday Night Social & Single Pat

Re: the Single Pattern Director: Does the phrase “Control Freak” ring a bell? She ran roughshod over everyone who had any job function even remotely associated with the show/Social. The Social WAS set up for socializing; she is the one who forced them to reset it theater style. She also wanted to reorganize the managing of the Green Room (with limited success, as Byron wouldn’t put up with it). Tried to bully the photographer into only taking photos in run order, rather than as the contestants were ready for photographing. That’s only what I know about – I wouldn’t be surprised if she did her best to “manage” in other inapppropriate areas as well, while at the same time she neglected the more uninteresting normal duties of a masquerade director, such as familiarizing herself with the route to the stage from the Green Room. She obviously wanted this show to be about HER, not the contestants.

Tina

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Nora & Bruce Mai” <casamai@…> wrote:
>
> This generated quite a bit of discussion among the reviewers.
>
>
>
> Separating the Single Pattern Show from the Future Fashion Show was a good
> idea, but the way it was combined with the Social was not. The theory was
> the Social theme was supposed to be the whole steampunk/weird west thing.
> However, there was nothing decoration-wise that would have given that idea.
>
> (There were some people in Old West Steampunk attire, though.) I’d
> volunteered to bring down my “Wild Wild West” movie banner, which was hung
> at the back of the stage, but given the lack of any other decorations, it
> seemed incongruous to the rest of the goings-on.
>
>
>
> The seating was another issue. Setting up the chairs most of the available
> theatre-style made for difficulty moving around the room when there’s
> supposed to be a “Social” going on.
>
>
>
> The Single Pattern was run like a formal masquerade, which didn’t help,
> either. It was very regimented: the Director insisted that every entry have
> some sort of explanation/text for their entry(like the Folio) and wouldn’t
> take “don’t have any” for an answer. They also insisted people should show
> up in the Green Room as close to 5:00 as possible (with the show at 8:00) so
> that judging would be able to take place. Given the (ordinarily) simplicity
> of the Show, this was overkill.
>
>
>
> When people arrived, the Director indicated that the entrants had to go to
> one location to be judged, then move to a different location for
> photography. The reasoning for this was so that it was known when people
> were through with both tasks. Several people were annoyed by the confusion
> this engendered.
>
>
>
> The show itself went okay, although the MC was apparently unfamiliar with
> what “CC” means. He also had some problems with some pronunciations. The
> judging, took way too long. I can’t remember how many awards there were,
> but it probably could have used a maximum, like the Fashion Show traditional
> three. The more there are, the longer the judges will deliberate.
>
>
>
> The “Social” amounted to being part of the halftime for the show. At least
> the appetizers served were good and plentiful (however, they didn’t turn up
> the lights up after the show so you couldn’t read the signs identifying what
> some of the less obvious ones were).
>
>
>
> Part of the wait for judges was occupied with the “Project Costume-Con”
> show/competition (patterned after the “Project Runway” show). The concept
> was an interesting idea, and the participants enjoyed themselves, but for me
> and the people I was sitting with, it went on way too long. For anyone who
> wasn’t a fan of the show, the pacing of the presenting of the outfits and
> judging dragged and didn’t make for very interesting watching. At least the
> outfits were well done. Most people thought PCC worth fine-tuning &
> continuing, but there was a good suggestion made that perhaps it should be
> spun off as a daytime program event where people could walk in and out of
> the room, rather than having a “captive audience” as it was on Friday night.
>
>
>
>
> The night continued to drag on, waiting for the judges to return. People
> were getting bored, despite the runway show, and the photo run. The
> drawing of names for door prizes with the tickets that had been handed out
> earlier in the evening should have occurred throughout the evening – not at
> the end. By the time the awards were announced, it was near or past 10:30
> and people were heading for the exits.
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2412 From: Margie Date: 6/12/2012
Subject: Re: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Friday Night Social & Single Pat

I won’t comment on the person running the Single Pattern Show other than to say “I could write a book”.

However, I do want to mention that I spent about an hour decorating the room you say was not decorated. Because people always tend to take pictures of other people and not the decor, there is not much photographic evidence of it, but I have found some (if you’re interested).

We had gear collages on the walls around the room, two signs that said Wild Wild West, two signs that said Welcome to Miss Elaine’s Saloon, and little “red mountain” candle centerpieces (with blue bandanas and sheriff’s badges) on most every table.

Sorry that you missed seeing them.

We also had a few hours of ragtime & steampunk music playing quietly in the background, two costumed poker dealers (who, due to poor timing issues, sadly never got put into action), and our steampunk cake & cupcakes. Plus there were special cow napkins to accompany the food and drink.

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Nora & Bruce Mai” <casamai@…> wrote:
>
> This generated quite a bit of discussion among the reviewers.
>
>
>
> Separating the Single Pattern Show from the Future Fashion Show was a good
> idea, but the way it was combined with the Social was not. The theory was
> the Social theme was supposed to be the whole steampunk/weird west thing.
> However, there was nothing decoration-wise that would have given that idea.
>
> (There were some people in Old West Steampunk attire, though.) I’d
> volunteered to bring down my “Wild Wild West” movie banner, which was hung
> at the back of the stage, but given the lack of any other decorations, it
> seemed incongruous to the rest of the goings-on.
>
>
>
> The seating was another issue. Setting up the chairs most of the available
> theatre-style made for difficulty moving around the room when there’s
> supposed to be a “Social” going on.
>
>
>
> The Single Pattern was run like a formal masquerade, which didn’t help,
> either. It was very regimented: the Director insisted that every entry have
> some sort of explanation/text for their entry(like the Folio) and wouldn’t
> take “don’t have any” for an answer. They also insisted people should show
> up in the Green Room as close to 5:00 as possible (with the show at 8:00) so
> that judging would be able to take place. Given the (ordinarily) simplicity
> of the Show, this was overkill.
>
>
>
> When people arrived, the Director indicated that the entrants had to go to
> one location to be judged, then move to a different location for
> photography. The reasoning for this was so that it was known when people
> were through with both tasks. Several people were annoyed by the confusion
> this engendered.
>
>
>
> The show itself went okay, although the MC was apparently unfamiliar with
> what “CC” means. He also had some problems with some pronunciations. The
> judging, took way too long. I can’t remember how many awards there were,
> but it probably could have used a maximum, like the Fashion Show traditional
> three. The more there are, the longer the judges will deliberate.
>
>
>
> The “Social” amounted to being part of the halftime for the show. At least
> the appetizers served were good and plentiful (however, they didn’t turn up
> the lights up after the show so you couldn’t read the signs identifying what
> some of the less obvious ones were).
>
>
>
> Part of the wait for judges was occupied with the “Project Costume-Con”
> show/competition (patterned after the “Project Runway” show). The concept
> was an interesting idea, and the participants enjoyed themselves, but for me
> and the people I was sitting with, it went on way too long. For anyone who
> wasn’t a fan of the show, the pacing of the presenting of the outfits and
> judging dragged and didn’t make for very interesting watching. At least the
> outfits were well done. Most people thought PCC worth fine-tuning &
> continuing, but there was a good suggestion made that perhaps it should be
> spun off as a daytime program event where people could walk in and out of
> the room, rather than having a “captive audience” as it was on Friday night.
>
>
>
>
> The night continued to drag on, waiting for the judges to return. People
> were getting bored, despite the runway show, and the photo run. The
> drawing of names for door prizes with the tickets that had been handed out
> earlier in the evening should have occurred throughout the evening – not at
> the end. By the time the awards were announced, it was near or past 10:30
> and people were heading for the exits.
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2413 From: Sarah Bloy Date: 6/12/2012
Subject: Talking to Your Venue
Greetings, all!

Up here in the area around Madison, WI, we’re trying to put together a bid
for 2016. We’re running into a problem right now concerning the hotel from
which we want to get a letter of intent. The place is perfect; size,
location, familiarity with niche cons (it hosts the feminist Sci-fi Wiscon
every year and played host to North American Disc World Con last year).

Our first correspondence with them indicated that they were very interested
and enthusiatic. This gave way to a misunderstanding that we wanted a
contract right away and they told us they couldn’t do one until a year out
from our prospective dates. When we corrected that notion and said we were
just looking for a letter that said they were interested, they came back
and said that they couldn’t host a convention that did not fill their hotel
for the weekend (360 rooms!) and were therefore no longer interested.

So, I’m looking to hear from this group about this sort of thing. In your
experience, is this a ploy to see if we are serious? Should we ask for
another face-to-face? What sort of pitfalls should we look for with them
int he future? Or should we just cut our losses and look elsewhere?

Thanks!

– Sarah Bloy
CC Madison Bid Committee Chair

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Group: runacc Message: 2414 From: lisa58@juno.com Date: 6/12/2012
Subject: Re: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Friday Night Social & Single Pat

I agree with what has been said, that the decorations, the buffet and the
“social” aspect got pretty much shovved to the background. I know that
When I first enetered the room and saw the theater seating, I wondered,
“How in the world are we supposed to mingle and socialize”. I would hate
to see the Friday night social become just another contest.

Yours in cosutmiagn,Lisa a

On Tue, 12 Jun 2012 17:13:58 -0000 “Margie” <marg1066@gmail.com> writes:

> I won’t comment on the person running the Single Pattern Show other
> than to say “I could write a book”.
>
> However, I do want to mention that I spent about an hour decorating
> the room you say was not decorated. Because people always tend to
> take pictures of other people and not the decor, there is not much
> photographic evidence of it, but I have found some (if you’re
> interested).
>
> We had gear collages on the walls around the room, two signs that
> said Wild Wild West, two signs that said Welcome to Miss Elaine’s
> Saloon, and little “red mountain” candle centerpieces (with blue
> bandanas and sheriff’s badges) on most every table.
>
> Sorry that you missed seeing them.
>
> We also had a few hours of ragtime & steampunk music playing quietly
> in the background, two costumed poker dealers (who, due to poor
> timing issues, sadly never got put into action), and our steampunk
> cake & cupcakes. Plus there were special cow napkins to accompany
> the food and drink.
>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Nora & Bruce Mai” <casamai@…>
> wrote:
> >
> > This generated quite a bit of discussion among the reviewers.
> >
> >
> >
> > Separating the Single Pattern Show from the Future Fashion Show
> was a good
> > idea, but the way it was combined with the Social was not. The
> theory was
> > the Social theme was supposed to be the whole steampunk/weird west
> thing.
> > However, there was nothing decoration-wise that would have given
> that idea.
> >
> > (There were some people in Old West Steampunk attire, though.)
> I’d
> > volunteered to bring down my “Wild Wild West” movie banner, which
> was hung
> > at the back of the stage, but given the lack of any other
> decorations, it
> > seemed incongruous to the rest of the goings-on.
> >
> >
> >
> > The seating was another issue. Setting up the chairs most of the
> available
> > theatre-style made for difficulty moving around the room when
> there’s
> > supposed to be a “Social” going on.
> >
> >
> >
> > The Single Pattern was run like a formal masquerade, which didn’t
> help,
> > either. It was very regimented: the Director insisted that every
> entry have
> > some sort of explanation/text for their entry(like the Folio) and
> wouldn’t
> > take “don’t have any” for an answer. They also insisted people
> should show
> > up in the Green Room as close to 5:00 as possible (with the show
> at 8:00) so
> > that judging would be able to take place. Given the (ordinarily)
> simplicity
> > of the Show, this was overkill.
> >
> >
> >
> > When people arrived, the Director indicated that the entrants had
> to go to
> > one location to be judged, then move to a different location for
> > photography. The reasoning for this was so that it was known when
> people
> > were through with both tasks. Several people were annoyed by the
> confusion
> > this engendered.
> >
> >
> >
> > The show itself went okay, although the MC was apparently
> unfamiliar with
> > what “CC” means. He also had some problems with some
> pronunciations. The
> > judging, took way too long. I can’t remember how many awards
> there were,
> > but it probably could have used a maximum, like the Fashion Show
> traditional
> > three. The more there are, the longer the judges will
> deliberate.
> >
> >
> >
> > The “Social” amounted to being part of the halftime for the show.
> At least
> > the appetizers served were good and plentiful (however, they
> didn’t turn up
> > the lights up after the show so you couldn’t read the signs
> identifying what
> > some of the less obvious ones were).
> >
> >
> >
> > Part of the wait for judges was occupied with the “Project
> Costume-Con”
> > show/competition (patterned after the “Project Runway” show). The
> concept
> > was an interesting idea, and the participants enjoyed themselves,
> but for me
> > and the people I was sitting with, it went on way too long. For
> anyone who
> > wasn’t a fan of the show, the pacing of the presenting of the
> outfits and
> > judging dragged and didn’t make for very interesting watching. At
> least the
> > outfits were well done. Most people thought PCC worth fine-tuning
> &
> > continuing, but there was a good suggestion made that perhaps it
> should be
> > spun off as a daytime program event where people could walk in and
> out of
> > the room, rather than having a “captive audience” as it was on
> Friday night.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The night continued to drag on, waiting for the judges to return.
> People
> > were getting bored, despite the runway show, and the photo run.
> The
> > drawing of names for door prizes with the tickets that had been
> handed out
> > earlier in the evening should have occurred throughout the evening
> – not at
> > the end. By the time the awards were announced, it was near or
> past 10:30
> > and people were heading for the exits.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
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Group: runacc Message: 2415 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/12/2012
Subject: Re: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Friday Night Social & Single Pat
A few quick thoughts about the Friday Social from the top of my head, and I
am going to try not to repeat Bruce’s, which are very good.

Why Theater Seating for a Social?

Why wasn’t the Raffle used a filler during the course of the evening
instead of as an end piece?

I heard that after everything, there was a poker game happening there. But,
after everything else, I was not interested in staying longer. And why
wasn’t it going when people showed up, as it would have been in an Old West
Saloon?

General Question: When did the Friday Social become an event to get dinner
at? With a start time of 7 PM, at the earliest, shouldn’t it be time for
cocktail snacks?

Henry Osier

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Group: runacc Message: 2416 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/12/2012
Subject: Re: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Friday Night Social & Single…

In a message dated 6/12/2012 8:04:50 AM Central Daylight Time,
tina.connell@gmail.com writes:

> Re: the Single Pattern Director: Does the phrase “Control Freak” ring a
> bell?
>
>
>

Ooh. That explains it all! Thanks, Tina!

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2417 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/12/2012
Subject: Re: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Friday Night Social & Single Pat

Tina has it right. In spades! I have nothing to add.

Elaine
Nil significat nisi oscillat!

Re: the Single Pattern Director: Does the phrase “Control Freak” ring a bell? She ran roughshod over everyone who had any job function even remotely associated with the show/Social. The Social WAS set up for socializing; she is the one who forced them to reset it theater style. She also wanted to reorganize the managing of the Green Room (with limited success, as Byron wouldn’t put up with it). Tried to bully the photographer into only taking photos in run order, rather than as the contestants were ready for photographing. That’s only what I know about – I wouldn’t be surprised if she did her best to “manage” in other inapppropriate areas as well, while at the same time she neglected the more uninteresting normal duties of a masquerade director, such as familiarizing herself with the route to the stage from the Green Room. She obviously wanted this show to be about HER, not the contestants.

Tina

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Nora & Bruce Mai” <casamai@…> wrote:
>
> This generated quite a bit of discussion among the reviewers.
>
>
>
> Separating the Single Pattern Show from the Future Fashion Show was a good
> idea, but the way it was combined with the Social was not. The theory was
> the Social theme was supposed to be the whole steampunk/weird west thing.
> However, there was nothing decoration-wise that would have given that idea.
>
> (There were some people in Old West Steampunk attire, though.) I’d
> volunteered to bring down my “Wild Wild West” movie banner, which was hung
> at the back of the stage, but given the lack of any other decorations, it
> seemed incongruous to the rest of the goings-on.
>
>
>
> The seating was another issue. Setting up the chairs most of the available
> theatre-style made for difficulty moving around the room when there’s
> supposed to be a “Social” going on.
>
>
>
> The Single Pattern was run like a formal masquerade, which didn’t help,
> either. It was very regimented: the Director insisted that every entry have
> some sort of explanation/text for their entry(like the Folio) and wouldn’t
> take “don’t have any” for an answer. They also insisted people should show
> up in the Green Room as close to 5:00 as possible (with the show at 8:00) so
> that judging would be able to take place. Given the (ordinarily) simplicity
> of the Show, this was overkill.
>
>
>
> When people arrived, the Director indicated that the entrants had to go to
> one location to be judged, then move to a different location for
> photography. The reasoning for this was so that it was known when people
> were through with both tasks. Several people were annoyed by the confusion
> this engendered.
>
>
>
> The show itself went okay, although the MC was apparently unfamiliar with
> what “CC” means. He also had some problems with some pronunciations. The
> judging, took way too long. I can’t remember how many awards there were,
> but it probably could have used a maximum, like the Fashion Show traditional
> three. The more there are, the longer the judges will deliberate.
>
>
>
> The “Social” amounted to being part of the halftime for the show. At least
> the appetizers served were good and plentiful (however, they didn’t turn up
> the lights up after the show so you couldn’t read the signs identifying what
> some of the less obvious ones were).
>
>
>
> Part of the wait for judges was occupied with the “Project Costume-Con”
> show/competition (patterned after the “Project Runway” show). The concept
> was an interesting idea, and the participants enjoyed themselves, but for me
> and the people I was sitting with, it went on way too long. For anyone who
> wasn’t a fan of the show, the pacing of the presenting of the outfits and
> judging dragged and didn’t make for very interesting watching. At least the
> outfits were well done. Most people thought PCC worth fine-tuning &
> continuing, but there was a good suggestion made that perhaps it should be
> spun off as a daytime program event where people could walk in and out of
> the room, rather than having a “captive audience” as it was on Friday night.
>
>
>
>
> The night continued to drag on, waiting for the judges to return. People
> were getting bored, despite the runway show, and the photo run. The
> drawing of names for door prizes with the tickets that had been handed out
> earlier in the evening should have occurred throughout the evening – not at
> the end. By the time the awards were announced, it was near or past 10:30
> and people were heading for the exits.
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2418 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/12/2012
Subject: Re: Talking to Your Venue

Sarah –
Trust me, you do not want to deal with the hotel where the 2011 North
American Disc World convention was held. They basically screwed over the
convention who did fill the hotel and were still charged for function
space and everything else. If I have not already sent you a copy of the
draft Costume Con Hotel Contract, ping me off line and I will do so.
Take it into any hotel that you are considering, plunk it down with the
line “Our international organization requires that we use this as the
starting point for any hotel negotiations.” (this of course is a bunch
of BS) But if the hotel flatly refuses to consider that, then thank
them for their time and walk away. The hotels that are not willing to
use this as a starting point have an agenda all of their own and the
odds are that you will get screwed. Secondly, in spite of that hotel’s
spaces, it is far from ideally suited for a costume con. If you want a
detailed discussion as to why, again, ping me off list. Third, there
are several reasons that you should consider some city other than
Madison. The major problem is that the CC core people come in from all
over the country and there are no direct flights into Madison. When I
came out to the NADWCon, it took us 14 hours to get there by air, and
another 12 hours to get home. The Abbots drove there from Northern
Virginia and made it in less time than we did by air. I have nothing
against Madison itself, my older son graduated from there, but there are
factors that you need to consider for a Costume Con.

Marty

On 6/12/2012 3:07 PM, Sarah Bloy wrote:
>
> Greetings, all!
>
> Up here in the area around Madison, WI, we’re trying to put together a bid
> for 2016. We’re running into a problem right now concerning the hotel from
> which we want to get a letter of intent. The place is perfect; size,
> location, familiarity with niche cons (it hosts the feminist Sci-fi Wiscon
> every year and played host to North American Disc World Con last year).
>
> Our first correspondence with them indicated that they were very
> interested
> and enthusiatic. This gave way to a misunderstanding that we wanted a
> contract right away and they told us they couldn’t do one until a year out
> from our prospective dates. When we corrected that notion and said we were
> just looking for a letter that said they were interested, they came back
> and said that they couldn’t host a convention that did not fill their
> hotel
> for the weekend (360 rooms!) and were therefore no longer interested.
>
> So, I’m looking to hear from this group about this sort of thing. In your
> experience, is this a ploy to see if we are serious? Should we ask for
> another face-to-face? What sort of pitfalls should we look for with them
> int he future? Or should we just cut our losses and look elsewhere?
>
> Thanks!
>
> – Sarah Bloy
> CC Madison Bid Committee Chair
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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Group: runacc Message: 2419 From: Margie Date: 6/12/2012
Subject: Re: Talking to Your Venue

I agree with Marty. And I worked a fair amount with that hotel for NADWCon.

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Martin Gear <MartinGear@…> wrote:
>
> Sarah –
> Trust me, you do not want to deal with the hotel where the 2011 North
> American Disc World convention was held. They basically screwed over the
> convention who did fill the hotel and were still charged for function
> space and everything else. If I have not already sent you a copy of the
> draft Costume Con Hotel Contract, ping me off line and I will do so.
> Take it into any hotel that you are considering, plunk it down with the
> line “Our international organization requires that we use this as the
> starting point for any hotel negotiations.” (this of course is a bunch
> of BS) But if the hotel flatly refuses to consider that, then thank
> them for their time and walk away. The hotels that are not willing to
> use this as a starting point have an agenda all of their own and the
> odds are that you will get screwed. Secondly, in spite of that hotel’s
> spaces, it is far from ideally suited for a costume con. If you want a
> detailed discussion as to why, again, ping me off list. Third, there
> are several reasons that you should consider some city other than
> Madison. The major problem is that the CC core people come in from all
> over the country and there are no direct flights into Madison. When I
> came out to the NADWCon, it took us 14 hours to get there by air, and
> another 12 hours to get home. The Abbots drove there from Northern
> Virginia and made it in less time than we did by air. I have nothing
> against Madison itself, my older son graduated from there, but there are
> factors that you need to consider for a Costume Con.
>
> Marty
>
> On 6/12/2012 3:07 PM, Sarah Bloy wrote:
> >
> > Greetings, all!
> >
> > Up here in the area around Madison, WI, we’re trying to put together a bid
> > for 2016. We’re running into a problem right now concerning the hotel from
> > which we want to get a letter of intent. The place is perfect; size,
> > location, familiarity with niche cons (it hosts the feminist Sci-fi Wiscon
> > every year and played host to North American Disc World Con last year).
> >
> > Our first correspondence with them indicated that they were very
> > interested
> > and enthusiatic. This gave way to a misunderstanding that we wanted a
> > contract right away and they told us they couldn’t do one until a year out
> > from our prospective dates. When we corrected that notion and said we were
> > just looking for a letter that said they were interested, they came back
> > and said that they couldn’t host a convention that did not fill their
> > hotel
> > for the weekend (360 rooms!) and were therefore no longer interested.
> >
> > So, I’m looking to hear from this group about this sort of thing. In your
> > experience, is this a ploy to see if we are serious? Should we ask for
> > another face-to-face? What sort of pitfalls should we look for with them
> > int he future? Or should we just cut our losses and look elsewhere?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > – Sarah Bloy
> > CC Madison Bid Committee Chair
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
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Group: runacc Message: 2420 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 6/13/2012
Subject: Re: Talking to Your Venue

Sarah,

I started by contacting the local Visitor and Convention Bureau. They
asked me a bunch of questions, then sent my request out to bid to a
bunch of hotels. I only got a few bites and none of them worked out.
If I had gone with one of their hotels, they would have done all of the
negotiating with the hotels on my behalf. Despite not using one of
their hotels, they also have lots of resources for any event that brings
visitors to the city.

Michael
CC31

On 2012-06-12 12:07, Sarah Bloy wrote:
> Greetings, all!
>
> Up here in the area around Madison, WI, we’re trying to put together
> a bid
> for 2016. We’re running into a problem right now concerning the
> hotel
> from
> which we want to get a letter of intent. The place is perfect; size,
> location, familiarity with niche cons (it hosts the feminist Sci-fi
> Wiscon
> every year and played host to North American Disc World Con last
> year).
>
> Our first correspondence with them indicated that they were very
> interested
> and enthusiatic. This gave way to a misunderstanding that we wanted
> a
> contract right away and they told us they couldn’t do one until a
> year out
> from our prospective dates. When we corrected that notion and said
> we
> were
> just looking for a letter that said they were interested, they came
> back
> and said that they couldn’t host a convention that did not fill
> their
> hotel
> for the weekend (360 rooms!) and were therefore no longer
> interested.
>
> So, I’m looking to hear from this group about this sort of thing. In
> your
> experience, is this a ploy to see if we are serious? Should we ask
> for
> another face-to-face? What sort of pitfalls should we look for with
> them
> int he future? Or should we just cut our losses and look elsewhere?
>
> Thanks!
>
> – Sarah Bloy
> CC Madison Bid Committee Chair

 

Group: runacc Message: 2421 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/13/2012
Subject: Re: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Friday Night Social & Single Pat

Now that you mention it, I think I remember the music. Guess the
decorations were too “sub-tul”. But the dim lighting didn’t help.

Bruce

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Margie
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 12:14 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] Re: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Friday Night Social &
Single Pattern Show

I won’t comment on the person running the Single Pattern Show other than to
say “I could write a book”.

However, I do want to mention that I spent about an hour decorating the room
you say was not decorated. Because people always tend to take pictures of
other people and not the decor, there is not much photographic evidence of
it, but I have found some (if you’re interested).

We had gear collages on the walls around the room, two signs that said Wild
Wild West, two signs that said Welcome to Miss Elaine’s Saloon, and little
“red mountain” candle centerpieces (with blue bandanas and sheriff’s badges)
on most every table.

Sorry that you missed seeing them.

We also had a few hours of ragtime & steampunk music playing quietly in the
background, two costumed poker dealers (who, due to poor timing issues,
sadly never got put into action), and our steampunk cake & cupcakes. Plus
there were special cow napkins to accompany the food and drink.

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Nora & Bruce Mai” <casamai@…> wrote:
>
> This generated quite a bit of discussion among the reviewers.
>
>
>
> Separating the Single Pattern Show from the Future Fashion Show was a
> good idea, but the way it was combined with the Social was not. The
> theory was the Social theme was supposed to be the whole steampunk/weird
west thing.
> However, there was nothing decoration-wise that would have given that
idea.
>
> (There were some people in Old West Steampunk attire, though.) I’d
> volunteered to bring down my “Wild Wild West” movie banner, which was
> hung at the back of the stage, but given the lack of any other
> decorations, it seemed incongruous to the rest of the goings-on.
>
>
>
> The seating was another issue. Setting up the chairs most of the
> available theatre-style made for difficulty moving around the room
> when there’s supposed to be a “Social” going on.
>
>
>
> The Single Pattern was run like a formal masquerade, which didn’t
> help, either. It was very regimented: the Director insisted that
> every entry have some sort of explanation/text for their entry(like
> the Folio) and wouldn’t take “don’t have any” for an answer. They
> also insisted people should show up in the Green Room as close to 5:00
> as possible (with the show at 8:00) so that judging would be able to
> take place. Given the (ordinarily) simplicity of the Show, this was
overkill.
>
>
>
> When people arrived, the Director indicated that the entrants had to
> go to one location to be judged, then move to a different location for
> photography. The reasoning for this was so that it was known when
> people were through with both tasks. Several people were annoyed by
> the confusion this engendered.
>
>
>
> The show itself went okay, although the MC was apparently unfamiliar with
> what “CC” means. He also had some problems with some pronunciations.
The
> judging, took way too long. I can’t remember how many awards there
> were, but it probably could have used a maximum, like the Fashion Show
> traditional three. The more there are, the longer the judges will
deliberate.
>
>
>
> The “Social” amounted to being part of the halftime for the show. At
> least the appetizers served were good and plentiful (however, they
> didn’t turn up the lights up after the show so you couldn’t read the
> signs identifying what some of the less obvious ones were).
>
>
>
> Part of the wait for judges was occupied with the “Project Costume-Con”
> show/competition (patterned after the “Project Runway” show). The
> concept was an interesting idea, and the participants enjoyed
> themselves, but for me and the people I was sitting with, it went on
> way too long. For anyone who wasn’t a fan of the show, the pacing of
> the presenting of the outfits and judging dragged and didn’t make for
> very interesting watching. At least the outfits were well done. Most
> people thought PCC worth fine-tuning & continuing, but there was a
> good suggestion made that perhaps it should be spun off as a daytime
> program event where people could walk in and out of the room, rather than
having a “captive audience” as it was on Friday night.
>
>
>
>
> The night continued to drag on, waiting for the judges to return.
> People were getting bored, despite the runway show, and the photo
> run. The drawing of names for door prizes with the tickets that had
> been handed out earlier in the evening should have occurred throughout
> the evening – not at the end. By the time the awards were announced, it
was near or past 10:30
> and people were heading for the exits.
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2422 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/13/2012
Subject: Re: Talking to Your Venue
Well, I was going to reply, but looks like Marty covered it all (although I
don’t see a copy of it in our Inbox – not sure why.

But in any case, I highly recommend Marty’s contract. It’ll save you a lot
of headaches. Should be standard issue for CCs. And most any other
convention, for that matter.

Bruce

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Sarah Bloy
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 2:08 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] Talking to Your Venue

Greetings, all!

Up here in the area around Madison, WI, we’re trying to put together a bid
for 2016. We’re running into a problem right now concerning the hotel from
which we want to get a letter of intent. The place is perfect; size,
location, familiarity with niche cons (it hosts the feminist Sci-fi Wiscon
every year and played host to North American Disc World Con last year).

Our first correspondence with them indicated that they were very interested
and enthusiatic. This gave way to a misunderstanding that we wanted a
contract right away and they told us they couldn’t do one until a year out
from our prospective dates. When we corrected that notion and said we were
just looking for a letter that said they were interested, they came back and
said that they couldn’t host a convention that did not fill their hotel for
the weekend (360 rooms!) and were therefore no longer interested.

So, I’m looking to hear from this group about this sort of thing. In your
experience, is this a ploy to see if we are serious? Should we ask for
another face-to-face? What sort of pitfalls should we look for with them
int he future? Or should we just cut our losses and look elsewhere?

Thanks!

– Sarah Bloy
CC Madison Bid Committee Chair

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Group: runacc Message: 2423 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/13/2012
Subject: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc:: SF & F masquerade
The show was well-paced – and Master-heavy. There weren’t any big costumes
or props. I can’t say it was an outstanding show, but the quality was
pretty good. There were some clever ideas that I’d not seen before. At
least this year, we didn’t hear complaints about the judging (especially by
the Workmanship judges).

However, we saw fewer awards given (in comparison to last year, anyway),
which may have been good or bad, depending on how you looked at it.

Byron can address the SF Green Room, but for Nora’s experience, it was big
enough to handle all the entries, and there seemed to be enough Den Moms.
Some Den Moms seemed to be distracted by one or another costumer’s issues,
and missed helping some people who could have used momentary assistance.
Byron could have used an assistant from time to time. Of course, he might
argue that. J

Even after the video masquerade and the photo run, we were still waiting for
the judges to return.

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Group: runacc Message: 2424 From: Margie Date: 6/13/2012
Subject: Re: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Friday Night Social & Single Pat

Henry, since you’re asking, we requested theatre-style seating for 60, in part to acknowledge the CC Runway event & the Single Pattern Show, and figuring some people would just like to sit theatre-style for them.

The bulk of the space was designated for a mixture banquet and cocktail rounds, with a few tallboys for folks that might want to stand and socialize.

Yes, the poker games were supposed to start much earlier, but the proposed schedule for the evening went wonky somewhere (not sure what happened).

The food was appetizers only, but because our hotel contract gave us a hefty (in our minds) f&b minimum to meet, we thought we’d do that at the Friday Night Social, and surprise folks with some interesting fare.

For the record, we served:
chipotle deviled eggs (6 doz servings)
bbq steak bites (4 doz svgs)
bacon-wrapped jalapenos (6 doz svgs)
bbq shredded pork on biscuits (6 doz svgs)
chicken taquitos (6 doz svgs)
chips, salsa, guac platter (x1, serves 50)
cheese, fruit & veggie platters (x2 ea, serves 40-50 ea)

Our Catering person thought that would not be enough food, but as it turns out, it was more than enough. I did want to figure on having enough food that folks involved in the two shows would still have the opportunity for a variety to eat after they were released. And that was the logic behind the food.

I didn’t realize that “pumpkin time” for folks would be so early, and so was figuring the Social would run past 11pm. (It started at 8pm)

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, osierhenry@… wrote:
>
> A few quick thoughts about the Friday Social from the top of my head, and I
> am going to try not to repeat Bruce’s, which are very good.
>
> Why Theater Seating for a Social?
>
> Why wasn’t the Raffle used a filler during the course of the evening
> instead of as an end piece?
>
> I heard that after everything, there was a poker game happening there. But,
> after everything else, I was not interested in staying longer. And why
> wasn’t it going when people showed up, as it would have been in an Old West
> Saloon?
>
> General Question: When did the Friday Social become an event to get dinner
> at? With a start time of 7 PM, at the earliest, shouldn’t it be time for
> cocktail snacks?
>
> Henry Osier
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2425 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/13/2012
Subject: Re: Talking to Your Venue – The contract

Bruce (and everyone else) –
Attached are copies of “The Hotel Contract”, a supplemental contract
(usually not necessary), and the form for an insurance company that is
both “con friendly” and reasonable. Feel free to post it and/or share it
wherever desired. From time to time I may update the main contract when
something new comes up. For anyone who does not know me or has not
heard me expound on this (usually at too great length) I am not a lawyer
and since most contracts are covered by state law, if you have any legal
questions take them up with your own lawyer. What I am is a contracts
negotiator with 45 years experience in negotiating contracts with the
U.S. Federal Government, 10 years experience negotiating the hotel
contracts for “Balticon” (Maryland regional S-F convention), negotiator
for the four Maryland Costume Cons, and facilities director/venue
negotiator for the 1998 Worldcon (10 separate hotels and a Convention
Center.)

One point to consider when you are considering a venue for a Costume
Con, you want to “Own the Hotel” which means being able to rent at least
half (more is better) of their sleeping rooms during the core nights
(Friday, Saturday & Sunday) and remember that on the average you should
figure on 3 people per room/night. i.e. if you expect to have a 300
attending members, then you will have 100 rooms per night. This means
that a 500 room hotel is right out no matter how great their
facilities. There are exceptions to all of this, of course, but these
are the figures that you should keep in mind when planning your con.

Marty

On 6/13/2012 8:05 AM, Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:
>
> Well, I was going to reply, but looks like Marty covered it all
> (although I
> don’t see a copy of it in our Inbox – not sure why.
>
> But in any case, I highly recommend Marty’s contract. It’ll save you a lot
> of headaches. Should be standard issue for CCs. And most any other
> convention, for that matter.
>
> Bruce
>
> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>] On
> Behalf Of
> Sarah Bloy
> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 2:08 PM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [runacc] Talking to Your Venue
>
> Greetings, all!
>
> Up here in the area around Madison, WI, we’re trying to put together a bid
> for 2016. We’re running into a problem right now concerning the hotel from
> which we want to get a letter of intent. The place is perfect; size,
> location, familiarity with niche cons (it hosts the feminist Sci-fi Wiscon
> every year and played host to North American Disc World Con last year).
>
> Our first correspondence with them indicated that they were very
> interested
> and enthusiatic. This gave way to a misunderstanding that we wanted a
> contract right away and they told us they couldn’t do one until a year out
> from our prospective dates. When we corrected that notion and said we were
> just looking for a letter that said they were interested, they came
> back and
> said that they couldn’t host a convention that did not fill their
> hotel for
> the weekend (360 rooms!) and were therefore no longer interested.
>
> So, I’m looking to hear from this group about this sort of thing. In your
> experience, is this a ploy to see if we are serious? Should we ask for
> another face-to-face? What sort of pitfalls should we look for with them
> int he future? Or should we just cut our losses and look elsewhere?
>
> Thanks!
>
> – Sarah Bloy
> CC Madison Bid Committee Chair
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo!
> Groups
> Links
>
> —–
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> Checked by AVG – www.avg.com
> Version: 10.0.1424 / Virus Database: 2433/5063 – Release Date: 06/11/12
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2426 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/13/2012
Subject: Re: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc:: SF & F masquerade

On 6/13/2012 8:14 AM, Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:
<snip>
>
> Even after the video masquerade and the photo run, we were still
> waiting for
> the judges to return.
>
There was some confusion as what exactly was going to be done during the
masquerade halftime and how much time should have been allotted. Also
point to keep in mind for the future, although “judges photos” were
taken and were left in the judging room, this was not pointed out to us
and we didn’t find them until after the judging had been completed. Had
we been aware of them, it might have saved perhaps 10 minutes of the
time that we took. Otherwise I was quite happy with the way that the
masquerade went off, and was extremely happy with my judging panel.

Marty

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Group: runacc Message: 2427 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/13/2012
Subject: Re: Talking to Your Venue – The contract

OK, I forgot that Yahoo Groups strips out attachments. Anyone who wants
a copy, please email me directly and I’ll be happy to send you a copy.
Bruce, you don’t have to, I’ll send you on directly now.
Marty

On 6/13/2012 2:14 PM, Martin Gear wrote:
>
> Bruce (and everyone else) –
> Attached are copies of “The Hotel Contract”, a supplemental contract
> (usually not necessary), and the form for an insurance company that is
> both “con friendly” and reasonable. Feel free to post it and/or share it
> wherever desired. From time to time I may update the main contract when
> something new comes up. For anyone who does not know me or has not
> heard me expound on this (usually at too great length) I am not a lawyer
> and since most contracts are covered by state law, if you have any legal
> questions take them up with your own lawyer. What I am is a contracts
> negotiator with 45 years experience in negotiating contracts with the
> U.S. Federal Government, 10 years experience negotiating the hotel
> contracts for “Balticon” (Maryland regional S-F convention), negotiator
> for the four Maryland Costume Cons, and facilities director/venue
> negotiator for the 1998 Worldcon (10 separate hotels and a Convention
> Center.)
>
> One point to consider when you are considering a venue for a Costume
> Con, you want to “Own the Hotel” which means being able to rent at least
> half (more is better) of their sleeping rooms during the core nights
> (Friday, Saturday & Sunday) and remember that on the average you should
> figure on 3 people per room/night. i.e. if you expect to have a 300
> attending members, then you will have 100 rooms per night. This means
> that a 500 room hotel is right out no matter how great their
> facilities. There are exceptions to all of this, of course, but these
> are the figures that you should keep in mind when planning your con.
>
> Marty
>
> On 6/13/2012 8:05 AM, Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:
> >
> > Well, I was going to reply, but looks like Marty covered it all
> > (although I
> > don’t see a copy of it in our Inbox – not sure why.
> >
> > But in any case, I highly recommend Marty’s contract. It’ll save you
> a lot
> > of headaches. Should be standard issue for CCs. And most any other
> > convention, for that matter.
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> > —–Original Message—–
> > From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>
> > [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>] On
> > Behalf Of
> > Sarah Bloy
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 2:08 PM
> > To: runacc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [runacc] Talking to Your Venue
> >
> > Greetings, all!
> >
> > Up here in the area around Madison, WI, we’re trying to put together
> a bid
> > for 2016. We’re running into a problem right now concerning the
> hotel from
> > which we want to get a letter of intent. The place is perfect; size,
> > location, familiarity with niche cons (it hosts the feminist Sci-fi
> Wiscon
> > every year and played host to North American Disc World Con last year).
> >
> > Our first correspondence with them indicated that they were very
> > interested
> > and enthusiatic. This gave way to a misunderstanding that we wanted a
> > contract right away and they told us they couldn’t do one until a
> year out
> > from our prospective dates. When we corrected that notion and said
> we were
> > just looking for a letter that said they were interested, they came
> > back and
> > said that they couldn’t host a convention that did not fill their
> > hotel for
> > the weekend (360 rooms!) and were therefore no longer interested.
> >
> > So, I’m looking to hear from this group about this sort of thing. In
> your
> > experience, is this a ploy to see if we are serious? Should we ask for
> > another face-to-face? What sort of pitfalls should we look for with them
> > int he future? Or should we just cut our losses and look elsewhere?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > – Sarah Bloy
> > CC Madison Bid Committee Chair
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> > ————————————
> >
> > View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo!
> > Groups
> > Links
> >
> > —–
> > No virus found in this message.
> > Checked by AVG – www.avg.com
> > Version: 10.0.1424 / Virus Database: 2433/5063 – Release Date: 06/11/12
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2428 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/13/2012
Subject: Re: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Friday Night Social & Single…

In a message dated 6/13/2012 12:09:45 PM Central Daylight Time,
marg1066@gmail.com writes:

> Henry, since you’re asking,
>
>
>

Marg,
I read the thing about the Social person redoing the arrangement. To
me, it looked like a dinner buffet was happening. I do admit that I went to
bed earlier because I had to get up and work the next day at the con. I do
not recall any announcement about more stuff happening. And I think everyone
was bored after the raffle.
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2429 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/13/2012
Subject: Re: Talking to Your Venue – The contract
Marty,
In regard to NADWCon in Madison, take it from me, who was on staff,
I am under the opinion that the two people who were running the thing really
had no idea what they were doing. The paid for an entire second stage to be
set up in the big ballroom for only one use. And it sat there in the way
all weekend. My reaction was “Really?”
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2430 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/13/2012
Subject: Re: Talking to Your Venue – The contract

Henry –
I couldn’t agree with you more. But at the same time, the hotel saw them
coming and took advantage of them.
Marty

On 6/13/2012 2:53 PM, osierhenry@cs.com wrote:
>
> Marty,
> In regard to NADWCon in Madison, take it from me, who was on staff,
> I am under the opinion that the two people who were running the thing
> really
> had no idea what they were doing. The paid for an entire second stage
> to be
> set up in the big ballroom for only one use. And it sat there in the way
> all weekend. My reaction was “Really?”
> Henry
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2431 From: Trudy Leonard Date: 6/13/2012
Subject: Re: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Friday Night Social & Single Pat

We missed the beginning of the Social (and the Single Pattern Contest) because we had gone out to eat and then up to get dressed. Food at some recent Socials had been a bit sparse so we were not counting on getting anything there. Your menu sounds like it was quite tasty. I’m sorry I didn’t get to try any of it. I did see decorations on the tables and something on the walls, but it was so dark in the room that it was hard to make out much of the decor. It was also hard to make out the other people that were there. We met some nice folks who were there for the first time, but I would not have recognized them the next day. I think the darkness also added to a feeling of tiredness (well, that and the jet lag that some of us were suffering from). I like the idea of spreading the shows out through the weekend. I think I liked the Social format better in Milwaukee. Socialize the first hour. Have show. Socialze more while judges judge. Announce winners and socialze until everyone leaves. Trudy
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: marg1066@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 17:09:41 +0000
Subject: [runacc] Re: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Friday Night Social & Single Pat…

Henry, since you’re asking, we requested theatre-style seating for 60, in part to acknowledge the CC Runway event & the Single Pattern Show, and figuring some people would just like to sit theatre-style for them.

The bulk of the space was designated for a mixture banquet and cocktail rounds, with a few tallboys for folks that might want to stand and socialize.

Yes, the poker games were supposed to start much earlier, but the proposed schedule for the evening went wonky somewhere (not sure what happened).

The food was appetizers only, but because our hotel contract gave us a hefty (in our minds) f&b minimum to meet, we thought we’d do that at the Friday Night Social, and surprise folks with some interesting fare.

For the record, we served:

chipotle deviled eggs (6 doz servings)

bbq steak bites (4 doz svgs)

bacon-wrapped jalapenos (6 doz svgs)

bbq shredded pork on biscuits (6 doz svgs)

chicken taquitos (6 doz svgs)

chips, salsa, guac platter (x1, serves 50)

cheese, fruit & veggie platters (x2 ea, serves 40-50 ea)

Our Catering person thought that would not be enough food, but as it turns out, it was more than enough. I did want to figure on having enough food that folks involved in the two shows would still have the opportunity for a variety to eat after they were released. And that was the logic behind the food.

I didn’t realize that “pumpkin time” for folks would be so early, and so was figuring the Social would run past 11pm. (It started at 8pm)

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, osierhenry@… wrote:

>

> A few quick thoughts about the Friday Social from the top of my head, and I

> am going to try not to repeat Bruce’s, which are very good.

>

> Why Theater Seating for a Social?

>

> Why wasn’t the Raffle used a filler during the course of the evening

> instead of as an end piece?

>

> I heard that after everything, there was a poker game happening there. But,

> after everything else, I was not interested in staying longer. And why

> wasn’t it going when people showed up, as it would have been in an Old West

> Saloon?

>

> General Question: When did the Friday Social become an event to get dinner

> at? With a start time of 7 PM, at the earliest, shouldn’t it be time for

> cocktail snacks?

>

> Henry Osier

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

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Group: runacc Message: 2432 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 6/13/2012
Subject: Re: Talking to Your Venue – The contract

Anyone who is a member of this group may upload files to our files section,
which has the advantage of storing all sorts of cool stuff. You are
encouraged to share files this way!

Betsy



Betsy Marks Delaney
www.hawkeswood.com

On Jun 13, 2012 2:28 PM, “Martin Gear” <MartinGear@comcast.net> wrote:

> OK, I forgot that Yahoo Groups strips out attachments. Anyone who wants
> a copy, please email me directly and I’ll be happy to send you a copy.
> Bruce, you don’t have to, I’ll send you on directly now.
> Marty
>
> On 6/13/2012 2:14 PM, Martin Gear wrote:
> >
> > Bruce (and everyone else) –
> > Attached are copies of “The Hotel Contract”, a supplemental contract
> > (usually not necessary), and the form for an insurance company that is
> > both “con friendly” and reasonable. Feel free to post it and/or share it
> > wherever desired. From time to time I may update the main contract when
> > something new comes up. For anyone who does not know me or has not
> > heard me expound on this (usually at too great length) I am not a lawyer
> > and since most contracts are covered by state law, if you have any legal
> > questions take them up with your own lawyer. What I am is a contracts
> > negotiator with 45 years experience in negotiating contracts with the
> > U.S. Federal Government, 10 years experience negotiating the hotel
> > contracts for “Balticon” (Maryland regional S-F convention), negotiator
> > for the four Maryland Costume Cons, and facilities director/venue
> > negotiator for the 1998 Worldcon (10 separate hotels and a Convention
> > Center.)
> >
> > One point to consider when you are considering a venue for a Costume
> > Con, you want to “Own the Hotel” which means being able to rent at least
> > half (more is better) of their sleeping rooms during the core nights
> > (Friday, Saturday & Sunday) and remember that on the average you should
> > figure on 3 people per room/night. i.e. if you expect to have a 300
> > attending members, then you will have 100 rooms per night. This means
> > that a 500 room hotel is right out no matter how great their
> > facilities. There are exceptions to all of this, of course, but these
> > are the figures that you should keep in mind when planning your con.
> >
> > Marty
> >
> > On 6/13/2012 8:05 AM, Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:
> > >
> > > Well, I was going to reply, but looks like Marty covered it all
> > > (although I
> > > don’t see a copy of it in our Inbox – not sure why.
> > >
> > > But in any case, I highly recommend Marty’s contract. It’ll save you
> > a lot
> > > of headaches. Should be standard issue for CCs. And most any other
> > > convention, for that matter.
> > >
> > > Bruce
> > >
> > > —–Original Message—–
> > > From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>] On
> > > Behalf Of
> > > Sarah Bloy
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 2:08 PM
> > > To: runacc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: [runacc] Talking to Your Venue
> > >
> > > Greetings, all!
> > >
> > > Up here in the area around Madison, WI, we’re trying to put together
> > a bid
> > > for 2016. We’re running into a problem right now concerning the
> > hotel from
> > > which we want to get a letter of intent. The place is perfect; size,
> > > location, familiarity with niche cons (it hosts the feminist Sci-fi
> > Wiscon
> > > every year and played host to North American Disc World Con last year).
> > >
> > > Our first correspondence with them indicated that they were very
> > > interested
> > > and enthusiatic. This gave way to a misunderstanding that we wanted a
> > > contract right away and they told us they couldn’t do one until a
> > year out
> > > from our prospective dates. When we corrected that notion and said
> > we were
> > > just looking for a letter that said they were interested, they came
> > > back and
> > > said that they couldn’t host a convention that did not fill their
> > > hotel for
> > > the weekend (360 rooms!) and were therefore no longer interested.
> > >
> > > So, I’m looking to hear from this group about this sort of thing. In
> > your
> > > experience, is this a ploy to see if we are serious? Should we ask for
> > > another face-to-face? What sort of pitfalls should we look for with
> them
> > > int he future? Or should we just cut our losses and look elsewhere?
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > – Sarah Bloy
> > > CC Madison Bid Committee Chair
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > > ————————————
> > >
> > > View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo!
> > > Groups
> > > Links
> > >
> > > —–
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> > > Version: 10.0.1424 / Virus Database: 2433/5063 – Release Date: 06/11/12
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo!
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Group: runacc Message: 2433 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/13/2012
Subject: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Future Fashion Folio and Show
Cobbling from what Nora reported on first:

Submissions: We had over 300, 111 made it into the Folio. Good turnout,
lots of enthusiasm. Roughly 95% received via email. So we’ve pretty much
made the jump to electronic submissions now, which will make an editor’s job
somewhat easier.

Judging: We use the “Gang Method” we’ve used in St Louis before (meaning, we
gathered a group of our Guild members and poured over them in an afternoon.
Makes for a diverse set of opinions. Of course, sometimes there’s a bit of
cat herding. Worked fairly well, as usual, but she could see room for some
tweaking to the method after having used it a couple of times.

Production: All designs were entered into a spreadsheet as received. And
she scanned and partially edited (lightened, cropped) all the designs as
received. She also typed up and corrected any descriptions.
This made for a much faster actual production time since everything was
already electronic and just needed a little more tidying and to be applied
to the layout. She had determined the layout beforehand, one of
the few things you can do before the judging.

Distribution: Used an online storage site and sent the URL with password to
members. Uploaded both a .pdf and .doc version, most downloads were of the
.pdf. Members had few problems with the download that she was aware of,
she helped those that contacted her directly and they were individual IT
problems, not problems with the site or documents. The Vice Chair took care
of most of the notifications to members.

Pros – Electronic version saves tons of money; accessible to most users with
no problem; ease of distribution (email); gets the Folio into the hands of
the members faster so more likely to help increase
the number of participants in the FFS. The “Tons of Money” part should be
repeated – given that it was roughly $7.50 per copy when we last published
the CC25 FFF, it will make things much easier on a future CC. Could make
the difference with providing better “horse divers” for the FNS, which can
get pricey when the hotel does the catering.

Cons – Folks with no email or download capability don’t have access. The
number of these is very small but they are still there and we need to have a
plan for them. Not sure what Marg & Elaine’s final solution
was for them but she said at least one person didn’t ever get the Folio, and
he’s notoriously tech-phobic. He also admitted that he may have had some
communication from you that he never properly responded to so partly his own
fault. Plus, it was only thought of after the con about how to distribute
the Folio to at-the-door registrants (after all, the con membership is
supposed to include the FFF). Future committees may need to investigate
producing a stack of CDs to hand out at registration.

Unfortunately, as the Folio Show Director, I committed a number of rookie
mistakes. Ones I can remember off-hand:

When in contact with my entrants before the con, I neglected to say, “Come
see me at Registration so I can pre-check you in”. As a result, some noobs
didn’t know to let me know they were there, so I could plan for them to be
in the show (we wanted to do at least some minimal stage direction during
tech rehearsal).

One issue beyond my control was the inability to have documents printed in
Ops. Sunday morning, they were having a problem with their computer
connections and couldn’t send documents to their printer (why it wasn’t
directly connected to the computer, I don’t know). I wound up having to run
down to the Business Center and shell out $13 to print out my MC’s script.

The Official Photographer was about 20 minutes late getting into the Green
Room to get set up. Luckily, taking Fashion Show pictures is easy to set up
and go, but it was annoying.

The show itself went pretty well. However, I completely spaced about having
the tech crew project the Folio designs as the entrants took their turns on
stage. I’d meant to check with Tadao about that, and it got lost in the
shuffle.

Worse, I forgot to have the awards ready at the end of the show. My judges
were great – they were Gypsy Ames, Bjo Trimble & Randall Whitlock (from the
AZ Guild). They got everything done almost on time for the show to start –
I held it over for 7 minutes and then we were good to go. However, they
caught me off guard when they made up two more awards beyond the 3 I’d
planned for. Compounding this, I didn’t think to ask where my allotted
ribbons and certificates were ahead of time (they were in Con Ops – maybe it
was mentioned on the CC30 list, but nobody bothered to tell me, on site,
either). They probably should have been brought to me. I wound up running
to Ops to bring them back while the show was in progress. So what wound
up happening was I had to get the judges to sign the certificates after the
show and track down my winners later. It took until late afternoon before
I could get the other 2 certificates printed and give them to the ones the
judges had recognized.

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Group: runacc Message: 2434 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/13/2012
Subject: Re: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Future Fashion Folio and Show

Bruce –
Re your printer problem, you could have asked me. When I am running a
major event at a con, I travel with a color printer/copier/scanner and
would have been happy to have let you use it. This is something to keep
in mind for the next time that we are both running something at a CC.
Marty

On 6/13/2012 10:53 PM, Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:
>
> Cobbling from what Nora reported on first:
>
> Submissions: We had over 300, 111 made it into the Folio. Good turnout,
> lots of enthusiasm. Roughly 95% received via email. So we’ve pretty much
> made the jump to electronic submissions now, which will make an
> editor’s job
> somewhat easier.
>
> Judging: We use the “Gang Method” we’ve used in St Louis before
> (meaning, we
> gathered a group of our Guild members and poured over them in an
> afternoon.
> Makes for a diverse set of opinions. Of course, sometimes there’s a bit of
> cat herding. Worked fairly well, as usual, but she could see room for some
> tweaking to the method after having used it a couple of times.
>
> Production: All designs were entered into a spreadsheet as received. And
> she scanned and partially edited (lightened, cropped) all the designs as
> received. She also typed up and corrected any descriptions.
> This made for a much faster actual production time since everything was
> already electronic and just needed a little more tidying and to be applied
> to the layout. She had determined the layout beforehand, one of
> the few things you can do before the judging.
>
> Distribution: Used an online storage site and sent the URL with
> password to
> members. Uploaded both a .pdf and .doc version, most downloads were of the
> .pdf. Members had few problems with the download that she was aware of,
> she helped those that contacted her directly and they were individual IT
> problems, not problems with the site or documents. The Vice Chair took
> care
> of most of the notifications to members.
>
> Pros – Electronic version saves tons of money; accessible to most
> users with
> no problem; ease of distribution (email); gets the Folio into the hands of
> the members faster so more likely to help increase
> the number of participants in the FFS. The “Tons of Money” part should be
> repeated – given that it was roughly $7.50 per copy when we last published
> the CC25 FFF, it will make things much easier on a future CC. Could make
> the difference with providing better “horse divers” for the FNS, which can
> get pricey when the hotel does the catering.
>
> Cons – Folks with no email or download capability don’t have access. The
> number of these is very small but they are still there and we need to
> have a
> plan for them. Not sure what Marg & Elaine’s final solution
> was for them but she said at least one person didn’t ever get the
> Folio, and
> he’s notoriously tech-phobic. He also admitted that he may have had some
> communication from you that he never properly responded to so partly
> his own
> fault. Plus, it was only thought of after the con about how to distribute
> the Folio to at-the-door registrants (after all, the con membership is
> supposed to include the FFF). Future committees may need to investigate
> producing a stack of CDs to hand out at registration.
>
> Unfortunately, as the Folio Show Director, I committed a number of rookie
> mistakes. Ones I can remember off-hand:
>
> When in contact with my entrants before the con, I neglected to say, “Come
> see me at Registration so I can pre-check you in”. As a result, some noobs
> didn’t know to let me know they were there, so I could plan for them to be
> in the show (we wanted to do at least some minimal stage direction during
> tech rehearsal).
>
> One issue beyond my control was the inability to have documents printed in
> Ops. Sunday morning, they were having a problem with their computer
> connections and couldn’t send documents to their printer (why it wasn’t
> directly connected to the computer, I don’t know). I wound up having
> to run
> down to the Business Center and shell out $13 to print out my MC’s script.
>
> The Official Photographer was about 20 minutes late getting into the Green
> Room to get set up. Luckily, taking Fashion Show pictures is easy to
> set up
> and go, but it was annoying.
>
> The show itself went pretty well. However, I completely spaced about
> having
> the tech crew project the Folio designs as the entrants took their
> turns on
> stage. I’d meant to check with Tadao about that, and it got lost in the
> shuffle.
>
> Worse, I forgot to have the awards ready at the end of the show. My judges
> were great – they were Gypsy Ames, Bjo Trimble & Randall Whitlock
> (from the
> AZ Guild). They got everything done almost on time for the show to start –
> I held it over for 7 minutes and then we were good to go. However, they
> caught me off guard when they made up two more awards beyond the 3 I’d
> planned for. Compounding this, I didn’t think to ask where my allotted
> ribbons and certificates were ahead of time (they were in Con Ops –
> maybe it
> was mentioned on the CC30 list, but nobody bothered to tell me, on site,
> either). They probably should have been brought to me. I wound up running
> to Ops to bring them back while the show was in progress. So what wound
> up happening was I had to get the judges to sign the certificates
> after the
> show and track down my winners later. It took until late afternoon before
> I could get the other 2 certificates printed and give them to the ones the
> judges had recognized.
>
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>
>
>
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Group: runacc Message: 2435 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 6/14/2012
Subject: Re: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Friday Night Social & Single Pat

Sandy only here:
Out of the foods listed, the only things I could
eat were on the cheese, etc. platter. Kind of
disappointing when seeing the size of the
spread. I realize you can’t cater to everyones’
tastes, but EVERYTHING else there was spicy. It
needed at least one other item that wasn’t spicy.

Also, I don’t know whose idea it was to put the
lit candles on the floor under the buffet table,
but that was a REALLY bad idea. I gather one
person’s costume actually did catch on fire
briefly. Not a good way to start….

At 12:09 PM 6/13/2012, you wrote:

>Henry, since you’re asking, we requested
>theatre-style seating for 60, in part to
>acknowledge the CC Runway event & the Single
>Pattern Show, and figuring some people would
>just like to sit theatre-style for them.
>
>The bulk of the space was designated for a
>mixture banquet and cocktail rounds, with a few
>tallboys for folks that might want to stand and socialize.
>
>Yes, the poker games were supposed to start much
>earlier, but the proposed schedule for the
>evening went wonky somewhere (not sure what happened).
>
>The food was appetizers only, but because our
>hotel contract gave us a hefty (in our minds)
>f&b minimum to meet, we thought we’d do that at
>the Friday Night Social, and surprise folks with some interesting fare.
>
>For the record, we served:
>chipotle deviled eggs (6 doz servings)
>bbq steak bites (4 doz svgs)
>bacon-wrapped jalapenos (6 doz svgs)
>bbq shredded pork on biscuits (6 doz svgs)
>chicken taquitos (6 doz svgs)
>chips, salsa, guac platter (x1, serves 50)
>cheese, fruit & veggie platters (x2 ea, serves 40-50 ea)
>
>Our Catering person thought that would not be
>enough food, but as it turns out, it was more
>than enough. I did want to figure on having
>enough food that folks involved in the two shows
>would still have the opportunity for a variety
>to eat after they were released. And that was the logic behind the food.
>
>I didn’t realize that “pumpkin time” for folks
>would be so early, and so was figuring the
>Social would run past 11pm. (It started at 8pm)
>
>— In
><mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>runacc@yahoogroups.com, osierhenry@… wrote:
> >
> > A few quick thoughts about the Friday Social
> from the top of my head, and I
> > am going to try not to repeat Bruce’s, which are very good.
> >
> > Why Theater Seating for a Social?
> >
> > Why wasn’t the Raffle used a filler during the course of the evening
> > instead of as an end piece?
> >
> > I heard that after everything, there was a
> poker game happening there. But,
> > after everything else, I was not interested in staying longer. And why
> > wasn’t it going when people showed up, as it
> would have been in an Old West
> > Saloon?
> >
> > General Question: When did the Friday Social become an event to get dinner
> > at? With a start time of 7 PM, at the earliest, shouldn’t it be time for
> > cocktail snacks?
> >
> > Henry Osier
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>

International Costumers’ Guild Archivist

http://www.costume.org/gallery2/main.php

“Those Who Fail to Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly –
Why They Are Simply Doomed.”

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C. Y. 4971

Andromeda

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Group: runacc Message: 2436 From: Margie Date: 6/14/2012
Subject: Re: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Friday Night Social & Single Pat

Sandy –

When I was looking for appetizers that were “southwestern”, I guess spicy is just their nature, because that was all I found. I really didn’t think about it, just tried to get a variety. I guess the chicken taquitos were spicy too? (I didn’t actually eat anything in there myself, as I was too busy.) I guess that only left biscuits, chips, cheeses, veggies & fruit as options for you. 🙁 Sorry about that.

Yeah, the oil candles under the table was the hotel’s idea. Fail. I’m sure under normal circumstances that might work fine/be pretty for them, but not for a group with big skirts!

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Pierre & Sandy Pettinger <costumrs@…> wrote:
>
> Sandy only here:
> Out of the foods listed, the only things I could
> eat were on the cheese, etc. platter. Kind of
> disappointing when seeing the size of the
> spread. I realize you can’t cater to everyones’
> tastes, but EVERYTHING else there was spicy. It
> needed at least one other item that wasn’t spicy.
>
> Also, I don’t know whose idea it was to put the
> lit candles on the floor under the buffet table,
> but that was a REALLY bad idea. I gather one
> person’s costume actually did catch on fire
> briefly. Not a good way to start….
>
> At 12:09 PM 6/13/2012, you wrote:
>
> >Henry, since you’re asking, we requested
> >theatre-style seating for 60, in part to
> >acknowledge the CC Runway event & the Single
> >Pattern Show, and figuring some people would
> >just like to sit theatre-style for them.
> >
> >The bulk of the space was designated for a
> >mixture banquet and cocktail rounds, with a few
> >tallboys for folks that might want to stand and socialize.
> >
> >Yes, the poker games were supposed to start much
> >earlier, but the proposed schedule for the
> >evening went wonky somewhere (not sure what happened).
> >
> >The food was appetizers only, but because our
> >hotel contract gave us a hefty (in our minds)
> >f&b minimum to meet, we thought we’d do that at
> >the Friday Night Social, and surprise folks with some interesting fare.
> >
> >For the record, we served:
> >chipotle deviled eggs (6 doz servings)
> >bbq steak bites (4 doz svgs)
> >bacon-wrapped jalapenos (6 doz svgs)
> >bbq shredded pork on biscuits (6 doz svgs)
> >chicken taquitos (6 doz svgs)
> >chips, salsa, guac platter (x1, serves 50)
> >cheese, fruit & veggie platters (x2 ea, serves 40-50 ea)
> >
> >Our Catering person thought that would not be
> >enough food, but as it turns out, it was more
> >than enough. I did want to figure on having
> >enough food that folks involved in the two shows
> >would still have the opportunity for a variety
> >to eat after they were released. And that was the logic behind the food.
> >
> >I didn’t realize that “pumpkin time” for folks
> >would be so early, and so was figuring the
> >Social would run past 11pm. (It started at 8pm)
> >
> >— In
> ><mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>runacc@yahoogroups.com, osierhenry@ wrote:
> > >
> > > A few quick thoughts about the Friday Social
> > from the top of my head, and I
> > > am going to try not to repeat Bruce’s, which are very good.
> > >
> > > Why Theater Seating for a Social?
> > >
> > > Why wasn’t the Raffle used a filler during the course of the evening
> > > instead of as an end piece?
> > >
> > > I heard that after everything, there was a
> > poker game happening there. But,
> > > after everything else, I was not interested in staying longer. And why
> > > wasn’t it going when people showed up, as it
> > would have been in an Old West
> > > Saloon?
> > >
> > > General Question: When did the Friday Social become an event to get dinner
> > > at? With a start time of 7 PM, at the earliest, shouldn’t it be time for
> > > cocktail snacks?
> > >
> > > Henry Osier
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
>
> International Costumers’ Guild Archivist
>
> http://www.costume.org/gallery2/main.php
>
> “Those Who Fail to Learn History
> Are Doomed to Repeat It;
> Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly –
> Why They Are Simply Doomed.”
>
> Achemdro’hm
> “The Illusion of Historical Fact”
> — C. Y. 4971
>
> Andromeda
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2437 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/14/2012
Subject: Re: Talking to Your Venue – The contract

In a message dated 6/13/2012 2:07:54 PM Central Daylight Time,
MartinGear@comcast.net writes:

> Henry –
> I couldn’t agree with you more. But at the same time, the hotel saw them
> coming and took advantage of them.
>
>
>

To be blunt, F yea! And, in my opinion, those idiots deserved to get a raw
deal.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2438 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/14/2012
Subject: Re: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Friday Night Social & Single Pat

The candles under the tables were the hotel’s idea?! I’m surprised the fire marshal permitted it. I’m even more surprised that the hotel’s insurance policy permitted it.

Future CC concoms need to remember that the fire marshal has the final say on any physical arrangements and can shut down without warning a space that does not meet the local fire code. The venue’s insurance policy also needs to be consulted for restrictions based on liability.

Byron

On Jun 14, 2012, at 1:09 PM, Margie wrote:

> Sandy –
>
> When I was looking for appetizers that were “southwestern”, I guess spicy is just their nature, because that was all I found. I really didn’t think about it, just tried to get a variety. I guess the chicken taquitos were spicy too? (I didn’t actually eat anything in there myself, as I was too busy.) I guess that only left biscuits, chips, cheeses, veggies & fruit as options for you. 🙁 Sorry about that.
>
> Yeah, the oil candles under the table was the hotel’s idea. Fail. I’m sure under normal circumstances that might work fine/be pretty for them, but not for a group with big skirts!
>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Pierre & Sandy Pettinger <costumrs@…> wrote:
> >
> > Sandy only here:
> > Out of the foods listed, the only things I could
> > eat were on the cheese, etc. platter. Kind of
> > disappointing when seeing the size of the
> > spread. I realize you can’t cater to everyones’
> > tastes, but EVERYTHING else there was spicy. It
> > needed at least one other item that wasn’t spicy.
> >
> > Also, I don’t know whose idea it was to put the
> > lit candles on the floor under the buffet table,
> > but that was a REALLY bad idea. I gather one
> > person’s costume actually did catch on fire
> > briefly. Not a good way to start….
> >
> > At 12:09 PM 6/13/2012, you wrote:
> >
> > >Henry, since you’re asking, we requested
> > >theatre-style seating for 60, in part to
> > >acknowledge the CC Runway event & the Single
> > >Pattern Show, and figuring some people would
> > >just like to sit theatre-style for them.
> > >
> > >The bulk of the space was designated for a
> > >mixture banquet and cocktail rounds, with a few
> > >tallboys for folks that might want to stand and socialize.
> > >
> > >Yes, the poker games were supposed to start much
> > >earlier, but the proposed schedule for the
> > >evening went wonky somewhere (not sure what happened).
> > >
> > >The food was appetizers only, but because our
> > >hotel contract gave us a hefty (in our minds)
> > >f&b minimum to meet, we thought we’d do that at
> > >the Friday Night Social, and surprise folks with some interesting fare.
> > >
> > >For the record, we served:
> > >chipotle deviled eggs (6 doz servings)
> > >bbq steak bites (4 doz svgs)
> > >bacon-wrapped jalapenos (6 doz svgs)
> > >bbq shredded pork on biscuits (6 doz svgs)
> > >chicken taquitos (6 doz svgs)
> > >chips, salsa, guac platter (x1, serves 50)
> > >cheese, fruit & veggie platters (x2 ea, serves 40-50 ea)
> > >
> > >Our Catering person thought that would not be
> > >enough food, but as it turns out, it was more
> > >than enough. I did want to figure on having
> > >enough food that folks involved in the two shows
> > >would still have the opportunity for a variety
> > >to eat after they were released. And that was the logic behind the food.
> > >
> > >I didn’t realize that “pumpkin time” for folks
> > >would be so early, and so was figuring the
> > >Social would run past 11pm. (It started at 8pm)
> > >
> > >— In
> > ><mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>runacc@yahoogroups.com, osierhenry@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > A few quick thoughts about the Friday Social
> > > from the top of my head, and I
> > > > am going to try not to repeat Bruce’s, which are very good.
> > > >
> > > > Why Theater Seating for a Social?
> > > >
> > > > Why wasn’t the Raffle used a filler during the course of the evening
> > > > instead of as an end piece?
> > > >
> > > > I heard that after everything, there was a
> > > poker game happening there. But,
> > > > after everything else, I was not interested in staying longer. And why
> > > > wasn’t it going when people showed up, as it
> > > would have been in an Old West
> > > > Saloon?
> > > >
> > > > General Question: When did the Friday Social become an event to get dinner
> > > > at? With a start time of 7 PM, at the earliest, shouldn’t it be time for
> > > > cocktail snacks?
> > > >
> > > > Henry Osier
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > International Costumers’ Guild Archivist
> >
> > http://www.costume.org/gallery2/main.php
> >
> > “Those Who Fail to Learn History
> > Are Doomed to Repeat It;
> > Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly –
> > Why They Are Simply Doomed.”
> >
> > Achemdro’hm
> > “The Illusion of Historical Fact”
> > — C. Y. 4971
> >
> > Andromeda
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2439 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/15/2012
Subject: Re: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Friday Night Social & Single Pat
I know Sandy couldn’t eat the stuff, but I enjoyed quite a bit of it all. I
really like SW food. As I believe you and I acknowledged, not having to
publish the Folio frees up more money for better catering.

As for “pumpkin time”, I think this can vary, but I think the pacing of the
evening sort of mentally drained any ability to stay up later. Or, maybe
we’re just getting’ old. 😉

Bruce

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Margie
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 12:10 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] Re: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Friday Night Social &
Single Pat…

The food was appetizers only, but because our hotel contract gave us a hefty
(in our minds) f&b minimum to meet, we thought we’d do that at the Friday
Night Social, and surprise folks with some interesting fare.

For the record, we served:
chipotle deviled eggs (6 doz servings)
bbq steak bites (4 doz svgs)
bacon-wrapped jalapenos (6 doz svgs)
bbq shredded pork on biscuits (6 doz svgs) chicken taquitos (6 doz svgs)
chips, salsa, guac platter (x1, serves 50) cheese, fruit & veggie platters
(x2 ea, serves 40-50 ea)

Our Catering person thought that would not be enough food, but as it turns
out, it was more than enough. I did want to figure on having enough food
that folks involved in the two shows would still have the opportunity for a
variety to eat after they were released. And that was the logic behind the
food.

I didn’t realize that “pumpkin time” for folks would be so early, and so was
figuring the Social would run past 11pm. (It started at 8pm)

 

Group: runacc Message: 2440 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/15/2012
Subject: Re: Talking to Your Venue – The contract
Yup – on the main nights, this was pretty much spot-on.

Bruce

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Martin Gear
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 1:15 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Talking to Your Venue – The contract

One point to consider when you are considering a venue for a Costume Con,
you want to “Own the Hotel” which means being able to rent at least half
(more is better) of their sleeping rooms during the core nights (Friday,
Saturday & Sunday) and remember that on the average you should figure on 3
people per room/night. i.e. if you expect to have a 300 attending members,
then you will have 100 rooms per night. This means that a 500 room hotel is
right out no matter how great their facilities. There are exceptions to all
of this, of course, but these are the figures that you should keep in mind
when planning your con.

Marty

 

Group: runacc Message: 2441 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/15/2012
Subject: Re: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Friday Night Social & Single…

In a message dated 6/15/2012 6:57:14 AM Central Daylight Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> As for “pumpkin time”, I think this can vary, but I think the pacing of
> the
> evening sort of mentally drained any ability to stay up later. Or, maybe
> we’re just getting’ old. 😉

I think I was also bored after the raffle.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2442 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/15/2012
Subject: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Historical Masq
Mixing in the exhibitions was probably a good idea, otherwise, it would have
been a short show. It was paced well, and the MC was okay. Judging seemed
to take too long. You’d think that, since the documentation and close-up
judging had already taken care of, it should have been a relatively quick
task. But, it still took beyond the 20 minute bellydance troupe
performance, announcements &

photo run before they returned.

Awards – everyone got one. There were only 5 eligible entries. I’ll let

someone else address this topic.

In a conversation during a panel, Kevin had an interesting thought regarding
Historical Interpretation entries in the Historical. Given that they often
don’t need much in the way of documentation, it might speed up judging to
give the choice to just have a 5 minute interview to explain their concept,
since their focus is more for on stage performance. Our folks thought it a
good idea, so long as that route was optional.

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Group: runacc Message: 2443 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/15/2012
Subject: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: General masquerade notes
The tech crew was pretty good at what they did, and were very accommodating
to quick, on the fly, changes of plan. Tadao, himself, was a little
overworked (having been working several other conventions shortly before
CC30). (Some people got tired of his filler “stand-up” because it was
always the same patter each time he had to stall.) It probably would have
been better if they’d just let people get up and wander around. Sometimes,
I think some con staff may’ve neglected to at least give him a heads up
about certain MD needs.

There was a noticeable lack of Guild awards this year, save for one during
the FNS (I think) and a couple backstage. Granted, In the past, there have
been problems with some Guild chapters taking up way too much time
explaining what their award was for. But an official announced policy
limiting the number of said awards pretty much put a damper on them all.
Some people missed them. Yes, they can get of hand, but there are other
ways of keeping presentations to a minimum without killing the whole
concept.

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Group: runacc Message: 2444 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/16/2012
Subject: Re: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Historical Masq

Others, however, had strong reservations about making workmanship judging optional for historical interpretation entries.

Byron

On Jun 15, 2012, at 11:45 PM, Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:

> Mixing in the exhibitions was probably a good idea, otherwise, it would have
> been a short show. It was paced well, and the MC was okay. Judging seemed
> to take too long. You’d think that, since the documentation and close-up
> judging had already taken care of, it should have been a relatively quick
> task. But, it still took beyond the 20 minute bellydance troupe
> performance, announcements &
>
> photo run before they returned.
>
> Awards – everyone got one. There were only 5 eligible entries. I’ll let
>
> someone else address this topic.
>
> In a conversation during a panel, Kevin had an interesting thought regarding
> Historical Interpretation entries in the Historical. Given that they often
> don’t need much in the way of documentation, it might speed up judging to
> give the choice to just have a 5 minute interview to explain their concept,
> since their focus is more for on stage performance. Our folks thought it a
> good idea, so long as that route was optional.
>
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>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2445 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/17/2012
Subject: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Wrap up
Supposedly, there were hall costume awards given out, but neither nor I saw
any of the judges. Don’t know if that means they were good or not.

I couldn’t put my finger on it most of the weekend until the observation was
made that there was a lack of a critical mass of crowd energy, mostly
because there were rarely large groups of people in the same place at the
same time (except during breaks in the shows). If there were roughly 350+
attendees on site, you wouldn’t know it. The central atrium/hallways at
CC25 and CC27 had lots of people passing through, meeting new people and
old friends. While CC30 had lots of seating and tables, we didn’t see a lot
of people taking advantage of it, because it was all outside in the
courtyard – with the heat. That meant you had to wait until there was
shade, or until the evening. The hotel lobby had a fair amount of seating,
but all the traffic involved crossing the courtyard. We missed saying
goodbye to people leaving on Monday, because the traffic was so diffused.

Random notes from our last meeting, where we actually talked about CC30 in
person for the first time:

Allow observers in the workshops, even if all the workshop slots are full.

Programming note: Make sure people are prepared for their panels. There was
at least one person who brought the wrong thumb drive with the pictures of
ethnic costumes they were supposed to show, so the panelist spent the entire
talking about their own costume experiences – with no pictures. Dull.

The con website may’ve been taken down a little too fast. All that’s left
is the wrap-up pages. In any case, it might be good to save an entire copy
on a file somewhere for reference purposes.

Speaking of the website, one person remarked that the rules for the
Historical Masquerade came across as if talking down to potential entrants.
Since that part of the website is gone, I can’t verify that.

Having sewing machines in Ops was deemed a good idea – at least 2 people
availed themselves of it.

The CC30 committee should get credit for doing a good job of analysis of
their own performance after the event – if they were as good about their
discussions before the con, they might have had fewer problems behind the
scenes. At least these communications problems didn’t present themselves in
a way attendees would have noticed.

There was apparently a misunderstanding as to what the “Info Booth” was
supposed to be. People thought it was for info about the convention, but
was actually more about the surroundings of the hotel. It would have been
more useful for someone to be able to speak about schedule changes, what
panels were in what rooms, etc. I think what people were getting at was
perhaps someone who was a living pocket program. Not a bad idea, given the
technology available with computers and smart phones.

All the new people we met were having a good time, and many planned to
travel to Denver next year. It’s too bad that there was apparently no
official tracking of how many new people were at the con, but going by the
number of First Timer ribbons given out, there was something like 80+.

Mr. Mike can tell you how many pre-registrants he has so far for next year –
sounds pretty good for a year out.

Given that everyone we ran across expressed that they were having a good
time, we can say the con was a success. (One of our folks said that, out of
the 4 years they’ve attended so far, this one was the best for them). For
seasoned vets, you kind of get jaded after a while, so it’s harder to be
impressed, so many of them felt it was not the best CC they’ve been to, nor
was it the worst by any stretch of the imagination.

The consensus was CC30 was a 7 out of 10.

Keep in mind this review is highly subjective. However, it’s a good
representation of your average CC-goers, since the majority of the 12 – 15
of us have been attending CC for close to 20 years. Hopefully, the future
CC committee members on this list will take this review and use it to avoid
the most common pitfalls.

If there’s just one thing to take away from this review, it’s the importance
of good communication before and during the event. That, and reminding
those staff who have not attended a CC (which is highly recommended before
actually running one), that there are similarities, but CC has its own
quirks, community and traditions. Avoid what one person said: “A con is a
con is a con”. It’s not a “convention”: it’s a CONFERENCE.

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Group: runacc Message: 2446 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/18/2012
Subject: Re: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Friday Night Social & Single Pat

On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Nora & Bruce Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> The Single Pattern was run like a formal masquerade, which didn’t help,
> either. It was very regimented: the Director insisted that every entry
> have
> some sort of explanation/text for their entry(like the Folio) and wouldn’t
> take “don’t have any” for an answer. They also insisted people should show
> up in the Green Room as close to 5:00 as possible (with the show at 8:00)
> so
> that judging would be able to take place. Given the (ordinarily)
> simplicity
> of the Show, this was overkill.
>

I was working for Byron in the green room, so I had another view of this.

When people arrived, the Director indicated that the entrants had to go to

> one location to be judged, then move to a different location for
> photography. The reasoning for this was so that it was known when people
> were through with both tasks. Several people were annoyed by the confusion
> this engendered.
>

Seriously, Diane couldn’t have done a better job obsessing over things that
aren’t important and ignoring things that are.

Ferrying entrants through judging and photo didn’t need her undivided
attention. They just needed checklists in the hands of the right people
(green room head or clerk, judge’s clerk-did she have one?). These are
tasks that should be delegated.

Ensuring that entrants were photographed in run order didn’t need her
attention at all. It didn’t need to be done.

Explaining to the crew and the green room the traffic flow needed her
attention, but was only obtained by prying it out of her. If this had been
clear, the green room layout could have been optimized for the show.
Instead, single pattern entrants had to go through a (small) crowd of CC
Runway contestants, who were justifiably nervous themselves, and the edge
of the photo area. It was a suboptimal traffic flow.

In the end, the green room crew and the tech crew cobbled together a
walk-through plan and got seating in the house for the single pattern
entrants reserved. This isn’t something we should have had to cobble
together on the fly, though.

Even with the unanticipated large number of entrants, the green room was
more than large enough to support 4 dens, the CC runway entrants, a big
photo area and judging (instead of doing it elsewhere). Simple things were
made unnecessarily complicated, and complicated things were left to chance.

The show itself went okay, although the MC was apparently unfamiliar with

> what “CC” means. He also had some problems with some pronunciations. The
> judging, took way too long. I can’t remember how many awards there were,
> but it probably could have used a maximum, like the Fashion Show
> traditional
> three. The more there are, the longer the judges will deliberate.
>

Single Pattern should have set awards. It was created to be a light,
low-pressure show. Kevin can elaborate on this more.

The “Social” amounted to being part of the halftime for the show. At least

> the appetizers served were good and plentiful (however, they didn’t turn up
> the lights up after the show so you couldn’t read the signs identifying
> what
> some of the less obvious ones were).
>

Had the single pattern contest not been such a mess, the social might have
been more social.

> Part of the wait for judges was occupied with the “Project Costume-Con”
> show/competition (patterned after the “Project Runway” show). The concept
> was an interesting idea, and the participants enjoyed themselves, but for
> me
> and the people I was sitting with, it went on way too long. For anyone who
> wasn’t a fan of the show, the pacing of the presenting of the outfits and
> judging dragged and didn’t make for very interesting watching. At least
> the
> outfits were well done. Most people thought PCC worth fine-tuning &
> continuing, but there was a good suggestion made that perhaps it should be
> spun off as a daytime program event where people could walk in and out of
> the room, rather than having a “captive audience” as it was on Friday
> night.
>

CC Runway was interesting, and the individual parts were nice and short. If
it happens again, the folks involved have to binge on the segments of the
show being recreated on stage to really get a feel for making the process
entertaining for the audience.

The night continued to drag on, waiting for the judges to return. People

were getting bored, despite the runway show, and the photo run. The

drawing of names for door prizes with the tickets that had been handed out

> earlier in the evening should have occurred throughout the evening – not at
> the end. By the time the awards were announced, it was near or past 10:30
> and people were heading for the exits.
>

The judges ran a bit long, but the real wait was on the prizes. Diane
wasn’t willing to announce without the physical prizes in hand. She wasn’t
willing to do anything to facilitate prize item pick-up on Saturday or
later. And I guess she wasn’t willing to go with anybody to ops to pick up
the prizes herself.

This is something that should have been obsessed over before the show
started, not when people want to get on with the social. She could have
taken care of this when she was going psycho over photo happening in run
order.

So the short? It could have been much worse if Byron wasn’t a great green
room head and Tadao’s crew wasn’t capable of improvising. I came out of it
with a list of new things I’m never doing if/when I run a show again.

andy

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Group: runacc Message: 2447 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 6/18/2012
Subject: Re: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: General masquerade notes

Personally I felt like I was being held hostage after each show by
having the lights kept down in the room.

Michael

On 2012-06-15 20:51, Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:

> CC30). (Some people got tired of his filler “stand-up” because it
> was
> always the same patter each time he had to stall.) It probably would
> have
> been better if they’d just let people get up and wander around.
> Sometimes,
> I think some con staff may’ve neglected to at least give him a heads
> up
> about certain MD needs.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2448 From: Margie Date: 6/19/2012
Subject: Re: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Wrap up

I respectfully disagree. I’d say we get an 8 out of 10.

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Nora & Bruce Mai” <casamai@…> wrote:
>
> Supposedly, there were hall costume awards given out, but neither nor I saw
> any of the judges. Don’t know if that means they were good or not.
>
>
>
> I couldn’t put my finger on it most of the weekend until the observation was
> made that there was a lack of a critical mass of crowd energy, mostly
> because there were rarely large groups of people in the same place at the
> same time (except during breaks in the shows). If there were roughly 350+
> attendees on site, you wouldn’t know it. The central atrium/hallways at
> CC25 and CC27 had lots of people passing through, meeting new people and
> old friends. While CC30 had lots of seating and tables, we didn’t see a lot
> of people taking advantage of it, because it was all outside in the
> courtyard – with the heat. That meant you had to wait until there was
> shade, or until the evening. The hotel lobby had a fair amount of seating,
> but all the traffic involved crossing the courtyard. We missed saying
> goodbye to people leaving on Monday, because the traffic was so diffused.
>
>
>
> Random notes from our last meeting, where we actually talked about CC30 in
> person for the first time:
>
>
>
> Allow observers in the workshops, even if all the workshop slots are full.
>
>
>
> Programming note: Make sure people are prepared for their panels. There was
> at least one person who brought the wrong thumb drive with the pictures of
> ethnic costumes they were supposed to show, so the panelist spent the entire
> talking about their own costume experiences – with no pictures. Dull.
>
>
>
> The con website may’ve been taken down a little too fast. All that’s left
> is the wrap-up pages. In any case, it might be good to save an entire copy
> on a file somewhere for reference purposes.
>
>
>
> Speaking of the website, one person remarked that the rules for the
> Historical Masquerade came across as if talking down to potential entrants.
> Since that part of the website is gone, I can’t verify that.
>
>
>
> Having sewing machines in Ops was deemed a good idea – at least 2 people
> availed themselves of it.
>
>
>
> The CC30 committee should get credit for doing a good job of analysis of
> their own performance after the event – if they were as good about their
> discussions before the con, they might have had fewer problems behind the
> scenes. At least these communications problems didn’t present themselves in
> a way attendees would have noticed.
>
>
>
> There was apparently a misunderstanding as to what the “Info Booth” was
> supposed to be. People thought it was for info about the convention, but
> was actually more about the surroundings of the hotel. It would have been
> more useful for someone to be able to speak about schedule changes, what
> panels were in what rooms, etc. I think what people were getting at was
> perhaps someone who was a living pocket program. Not a bad idea, given the
> technology available with computers and smart phones.
>
>
>
> All the new people we met were having a good time, and many planned to
> travel to Denver next year. It’s too bad that there was apparently no
> official tracking of how many new people were at the con, but going by the
> number of First Timer ribbons given out, there was something like 80+.
>
>
>
> Mr. Mike can tell you how many pre-registrants he has so far for next year –
> sounds pretty good for a year out.
>
>
>
> Given that everyone we ran across expressed that they were having a good
> time, we can say the con was a success. (One of our folks said that, out of
> the 4 years they’ve attended so far, this one was the best for them). For
> seasoned vets, you kind of get jaded after a while, so it’s harder to be
> impressed, so many of them felt it was not the best CC they’ve been to, nor
> was it the worst by any stretch of the imagination.
>
>
>
> The consensus was CC30 was a 7 out of 10.
>
>
>
> Keep in mind this review is highly subjective. However, it’s a good
> representation of your average CC-goers, since the majority of the 12 – 15
> of us have been attending CC for close to 20 years. Hopefully, the future
> CC committee members on this list will take this review and use it to avoid
> the most common pitfalls.
>
>
>
> If there’s just one thing to take away from this review, it’s the importance
> of good communication before and during the event. That, and reminding
> those staff who have not attended a CC (which is highly recommended before
> actually running one), that there are similarities, but CC has its own
> quirks, community and traditions. Avoid what one person said: “A con is a
> con is a con”. It’s not a “convention”: it’s a CONFERENCE.
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2449 From: Margie Date: 6/19/2012
Subject: Re: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: General masquerade notes

I agree, and that certainly wasn’t the plan (or on the schedule). :/

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, bruno@… wrote:
>
> Personally I felt like I was being held hostage after each show by
> having the lights kept down in the room.
>
> Michael
>
> On 2012-06-15 20:51, Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:
>
> > CC30). (Some people got tired of his filler “stand-up” because it
> > was
> > always the same patter each time he had to stall.) It probably would
> > have
> > been better if they’d just let people get up and wander around.
> > Sometimes,
> > I think some con staff may’ve neglected to at least give him a heads
> > up
> > about certain MD needs.
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2450 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/1/2012
Subject: Signed releases
How long should these be kept?
And how do we feel about scanning them? Are e-files of the releases still as
valid?

Nora

 

Group: runacc Message: 2451 From: martingear@comcast.net Date: 7/1/2012
Subject: Re: Signed releases
I keep mine for 5 years. Scanned copies of a form with an original signature
will probably pass muster. I would not count on eforms necessarily passing
the test unless the individual has a “security certificate” and your
software captures that to.
Marty

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

—–Original message—–
From: Nora & Bruce Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, Jul 1, 2012 13:35:02 GMT+00:00
Subject: [runacc] Signed releases

How long should these be kept?
And how do we feel about scanning them? Are e-files of the releases still as
valid?

Nora

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Group: runacc Message: 2351 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 9/18/2011
Subject: Re: A different kind of CC promotion idea
Group: runacc Message: 2352 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 9/18/2011
Subject: Re: A different kind of CC promotion idea
Group: runacc Message: 2353 From: Martin Gear Date: 9/18/2011
Subject: Re: A different kind of CC promotion idea
Group: runacc Message: 2354 From: Kaijugal . Date: 9/18/2011
Subject: Re: A different kind of CC promotion idea
Group: runacc Message: 2355 From: Martin Gear Date: 9/18/2011
Subject: Re: A different kind of CC promotion idea
Group: runacc Message: 2356 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 9/20/2011
Subject: Programming
Group: runacc Message: 2358 From: cgalway@xmission.com Date: 10/12/2011
Subject: Re: (unknown)
Group: runacc Message: 2359 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 10/13/2011
Subject: Re: Digest Number 625
Group: runacc Message: 2360 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 10/13/2011
Subject: Re: Digest Number 625
Group: runacc Message: 2361 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 11/1/2011
Subject: Problems we don’t think we have…
Group: runacc Message: 2362 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 11/1/2011
Subject: Re: Problems we don’t think we have…
Group: runacc Message: 2363 From: Byron Connell Date: 11/1/2011
Subject: Re: Problems we don’t think we have…
Group: runacc Message: 2364 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 11/1/2011
Subject: Re: Problems we don’t think we have…
Group: runacc Message: 2365 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 11/22/2011
Subject: Uh Oh
Group: runacc Message: 2366 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 11/22/2011
Subject: Never mind
Group: runacc Message: 2367 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 12/27/2011
Subject: CC Runway sign-up opens in ONE WEEK!
Group: runacc Message: 2368 From: Elaine Mami Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: updates, please
Group: runacc Message: 2369 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 2/3/2012
Subject: Re: Digest Number 630
Group: runacc Message: 2370 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 2/3/2012
Subject: Re: Digest Number 630
Group: runacc Message: 2371 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair Date: 2/4/2012
Subject: Re: Digest Number 630
Group: runacc Message: 2372 From: Kevin Roche Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Re: updates, please
Group: runacc Message: 2373 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 2/7/2012
Subject: Re: updates, please
Group: runacc Message: 2374 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: Re: updates, please
Group: runacc Message: 2375 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: Re: updates, please
Group: runacc Message: 2376 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 2/19/2012
Subject: CC promo video on line
Group: runacc Message: 2377 From: Michael Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: CC ConCom responsibilities
Group: runacc Message: 2378 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: CC ConCom responsibilities
Group: runacc Message: 2379 From: Martin Gear Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: CC ConCom responsibilities
Group: runacc Message: 2380 From: Kevin Roche Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: CC ConCom responsibilities
Group: runacc Message: 2381 From: Margie Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: CC ConCom responsibilities
Group: runacc Message: 2382 From: Byron Connell Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: CC ConCom responsibilities
Group: runacc Message: 2383 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: CC ConCom responsibilities
Group: runacc Message: 2384 From: Byron Connell Date: 3/28/2012
Subject: Re: CC ConCom responsibilities
Group: runacc Message: 2385 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Re: CC ConCom responsibilities
Group: runacc Message: 2386 From: Kaijugal . Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: CC ConCom responsibilities
Group: runacc Message: 2387 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: CC ConCom responsibilities
Group: runacc Message: 2388 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 5/29/2012
Subject: Fwd: [ICG-D] CON Runners’ Guide: Working with Masquerade Photographe
Group: runacc Message: 2389 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/31/2012
Subject: SLCG CC30 Review on the way
Group: runacc Message: 2390 From: Bruce Date: 6/4/2012
Subject: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Opening Remarks
Group: runacc Message: 2391 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/5/2012
Subject: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Hotel and Registration
Group: runacc Message: 2392 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/5/2012
Subject: Re: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Hotel and Registration
Group: runacc Message: 2393 From: Bruce Date: 6/5/2012
Subject: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Program Book
Group: runacc Message: 2394 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/7/2012
Subject: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 2395 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/7/2012
Subject: Re: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 2396 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/8/2012
Subject: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Exhibits
Group: runacc Message: 2397 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/8/2012
Subject: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: The Ribbon Project
Group: runacc Message: 2398 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/8/2012
Subject: Costume-Con Review – Runacc: Panel Programming
Group: runacc Message: 2399 From: lisa58@juno.com Date: 6/8/2012
Subject: Re: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Exhibits
Group: runacc Message: 2400 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/8/2012
Subject: Re: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Exhibits
Group: runacc Message: 2401 From: Lisa Ashton Date: 6/8/2012
Subject: Re: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Exhibits

 


 

Group: runacc Message: 2351 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 9/18/2011
Subject: Re: A different kind of CC promotion idea
No reason why that can’t be done, either included in the thing I’m working
on or as a separate project.Bruce

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 2:09 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] A different kind of CC promotion idea

Or, (shameless plug) make CC promotion a special category in the Video
masquerade/Film Festival

Kevin

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Group: runacc Message: 2352 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 9/18/2011
Subject: Re: A different kind of CC promotion idea
This is a little different approach than what Carl’s done. Lots of fast
editing, etc.Bruce

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Elaine Mami
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 3:41 PM
To: Betsy D
Subject: RE: [runacc] A different kind of CC promotion idea

Bruce,

As I’m sure you’ve noticed, Carl always shot the entire stage. It’s really
the only way to get the whole “message” of a costume entry cross.

Elaine
Nil significat nisi oscillat!

4. The best way to see to get the kinds of shots needed, other than taking
people outside, might be to have a stage(d) approach instead. In other
words, shoot everything on stage. Not the most exciting background, but
some of that could be overcome by direction and camera angles. I’m sure
there are plenty of videos of, oh, say, fashion shows that could give cues
as to how to shoot. Maybe there are some anime con vids out there that do
that – I haven’t seen enough to really know, yet. I have an idea in my
head of one way to shoot a vid like this, but it would help to know what
people are bringing, ahead of time. But, it could also work through
creative improvisation, too. Kind of an interactive photo line, where each
entry briefly acknowledges the other as they enter or exit the stage.

Thoughts?

Bruce

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Group: runacc Message: 2353 From: Martin Gear Date: 9/18/2011
Subject: Re: A different kind of CC promotion idea

Bruce-
Re the “static staged shots”:
The official photographer at North American Disc World this year took
pictures in front of a “green screen” and then filled the background in
with an appropriate graphic. How difficult with that be to do with
video? Also I may have contact information for you for someone who does
original music for internet radio plays if the person that you are
talking with doesn’t work out.
Marty

On 9/17/2011 4:06 PM, Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:
>
> Aurora:
>
> I’ve had some identical ideas to those you’ve mentioned. I’m gearing up
> some of them now. My background from many, many years ago was in
> broadcasting. So this kind of work is up my alley. I’ll be doing a lot of
> productions in the next few years once I’ve got the majority of Archive
> material ripped out to usable clips, but I’m open to more ideas and
> willing
> to work with you on something. I’m already working on a informative promo
> for CC30, a special retrospective to be shown (hopefully) before the
> SF masq
> and a few other things for the future.
>
> If the music sources Dawn and Aurora have mentioned are any indicator,
> then
> there’s plenty of opportunity, although I wouldn’t even know where to
> start
> on that score. I got a note back from the guy who did the DC vid, and he
> acknowledged there’s not copyright protection. But, not surprisingly, when
> you’re a low-traffic poster, you’re under the radar pretty much, and I
> believe the first step is when a company complains to Youtube, they
> take you
> down. <Shrug>. With my Archive work so far, I’m relying on royalty-free
> music from a site that I donate money to. The guy also does commissions on
> a sliding scale. I don’t know if he can put out the kind of music in the
> anime vids or not, but I’m sure he’d give it a go.
>
> As to the wider discussion of promotion, here’s more grist for the mill in
> regards to music videos:
>
> 1. I think the audience target would be somewhat different, since our
> community is made up of all ages. First question would be: Are we (the
> community) “hip” enough, since this still would be targeted towards a
> young(ish) online “market”? We have a good number of younger
> costumers, and
> are attracting more, but there are a lot of us baby-boomers.
>
> 2. The approach would have to be somewhat different, because many costumes
> at CC are of original design. That would affect the music choice,
> certainly. And, the biggest appeal to those who consume the vids is
> identifying their favorite characters brought to life. So we would have to
> figure out how to “glamorize” (for lack of a better term) our
> costumers in a
> way so that they have their own appeal. I like how, in the vid I posted,
> there’s a little interaction between characters – the Harry Potter
> group is
> a prime example. Most times, production is more like video portraits,
> though. I would think our folks would need to do a little more shtick,
> rather than be static.
>
> 3. I just wrote that vid guy back, questioning how he corrals that many
> people for a shoot. Knowing how notoriously difficult it is to herd
> costumer “cats”, nailing people down could be extraordinarily difficult.
>
> 4. The best way to see to get the kinds of shots needed, other than taking
> people outside, might be to have a stage(d) approach instead. In other
> words, shoot everything on stage. Not the most exciting background, but
> some of that could be overcome by direction and camera angles. I’m sure
> there are plenty of videos of, oh, say, fashion shows that could give cues
> as to how to shoot. Maybe there are some anime con vids out there that do
> that – I haven’t seen enough to really know, yet. I have an idea in my
> head of one way to shoot a vid like this, but it would help to know what
> people are bringing, ahead of time. But, it could also work through
> creative improvisation, too. Kind of an interactive photo line, where each
> entry briefly acknowledges the other as they enter or exit the stage.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Bruce
>
> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>] On
> Behalf Of
> Aurora Celeste
> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 10:12 PM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [runacc] A different kind of CC promotion idea
>
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Nora & Bruce Mai
> <casamai@sbcglobal.net <mailto:casamai%40sbcglobal.net>>wrote:
>
> >
> I don’t think it would hurt. It may not work as well if it doesn’t have at
> least a few easily recognizable characters in it, though. That said, I
> love
> the two examples posted, although they both had some skin-tastic costumes
> they seemed to focus on costumes and faces and not T&A.
>
> I have seriously toyed with filming a series of informative shorts at a
> costume con one of these years to be kinda like a video Q&A for all the
> unique things about a Costume Con: This is the Historical Masquerade, This
> is the Future Fashion Show, etc. If I did that I’d also really try to do a
> short retrospective on some CC history, ICG History, and
> memories/recollections of costumers past for retrospectives. I think both
> would be really worthwhile.
>
> If I had a camera . . . and time 😛
>
> I don’t think copyrighted music would be as big of a problem, there are
> plenty of fandom-friendly bands we could hit up.
>
> te: 09/15/11
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2354 From: Kaijugal . Date: 9/18/2011
Subject: Re: A different kind of CC promotion idea

You can do it on a MAC computer with iMovie:

http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Greenscreen-on-a-Mac-using-iMovie

~Dawn

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: MartinGear@comcast.net
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 16:24:49 -0400
Subject: Re: [runacc] A different kind of CC promotion idea

Bruce-

Re the “static staged shots”:

The official photographer at North American Disc World this year took

pictures in front of a “green screen” and then filled the background in

with an appropriate graphic. How difficult with that be to do with

video? Also I may have contact information for you for someone who does

original music for internet radio plays if the person that you are

talking with doesn’t work out.

Marty

On 9/17/2011 4:06 PM, Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:

>

> Aurora:

>

> I’ve had some identical ideas to those you’ve mentioned. I’m gearing up

> some of them now. My background from many, many years ago was in

> broadcasting. So this kind of work is up my alley. I’ll be doing a lot of

> productions in the next few years once I’ve got the majority of Archive

> material ripped out to usable clips, but I’m open to more ideas and

> willing

> to work with you on something. I’m already working on a informative promo

> for CC30, a special retrospective to be shown (hopefully) before the

> SF masq

> and a few other things for the future.

>

> If the music sources Dawn and Aurora have mentioned are any indicator,

> then

> there’s plenty of opportunity, although I wouldn’t even know where to

> start

> on that score. I got a note back from the guy who did the DC vid, and he

> acknowledged there’s not copyright protection. But, not surprisingly, when

> you’re a low-traffic poster, you’re under the radar pretty much, and I

> believe the first step is when a company complains to Youtube, they

> take you

> down. <Shrug>. With my Archive work so far, I’m relying on royalty-free

> music from a site that I donate money to. The guy also does commissions on

> a sliding scale. I don’t know if he can put out the kind of music in the

> anime vids or not, but I’m sure he’d give it a go.

>

> As to the wider discussion of promotion, here’s more grist for the mill in

> regards to music videos:

>

> 1. I think the audience target would be somewhat different, since our

> community is made up of all ages. First question would be: Are we (the

> community) “hip” enough, since this still would be targeted towards a

> young(ish) online “market”? We have a good number of younger

> costumers, and

> are attracting more, but there are a lot of us baby-boomers.

>

> 2. The approach would have to be somewhat different, because many costumes

> at CC are of original design. That would affect the music choice,

> certainly. And, the biggest appeal to those who consume the vids is

> identifying their favorite characters brought to life. So we would have to

> figure out how to “glamorize” (for lack of a better term) our

> costumers in a

> way so that they have their own appeal. I like how, in the vid I posted,

> there’s a little interaction between characters – the Harry Potter

> group is

> a prime example. Most times, production is more like video portraits,

> though. I would think our folks would need to do a little more shtick,

> rather than be static.

>

> 3. I just wrote that vid guy back, questioning how he corrals that many

> people for a shoot. Knowing how notoriously difficult it is to herd

> costumer “cats”, nailing people down could be extraordinarily difficult.

>

> 4. The best way to see to get the kinds of shots needed, other than taking

> people outside, might be to have a stage(d) approach instead. In other

> words, shoot everything on stage. Not the most exciting background, but

> some of that could be overcome by direction and camera angles. I’m sure

> there are plenty of videos of, oh, say, fashion shows that could give cues

> as to how to shoot. Maybe there are some anime con vids out there that do

> that – I haven’t seen enough to really know, yet. I have an idea in my

> head of one way to shoot a vid like this, but it would help to know what

> people are bringing, ahead of time. But, it could also work through

> creative improvisation, too. Kind of an interactive photo line, where each

> entry briefly acknowledges the other as they enter or exit the stage.

>

> Thoughts?

>

> Bruce

>

> —–Original Message—–

> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>

> [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>] On

> Behalf Of

> Aurora Celeste

> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 10:12 PM

> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>

> Subject: Re: [runacc] A different kind of CC promotion idea

>

> On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Nora & Bruce Mai

> <casamai@sbcglobal.net <mailto:casamai%40sbcglobal.net>>wrote:

>

> >

> I don’t think it would hurt. It may not work as well if it doesn’t have at

> least a few easily recognizable characters in it, though. That said, I

> love

> the two examples posted, although they both had some skin-tastic costumes

> they seemed to focus on costumes and faces and not T&A.

>

> I have seriously toyed with filming a series of informative shorts at a

> costume con one of these years to be kinda like a video Q&A for all the

> unique things about a Costume Con: This is the Historical Masquerade, This

> is the Future Fashion Show, etc. If I did that I’d also really try to do a

> short retrospective on some CC history, ICG History, and

> memories/recollections of costumers past for retrospectives. I think both

> would be really worthwhile.

>

> If I had a camera . . . and time 😛

>

> I don’t think copyrighted music would be as big of a problem, there are

> plenty of fandom-friendly bands we could hit up.

>

> te: 09/15/11

>

>

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Group: runacc Message: 2355 From: Martin Gear Date: 9/18/2011
Subject: Re: A different kind of CC promotion idea
Dawn –
Who is this “Mac” of whom you speak?Marty
(Who knows about chroma key, but doesn’t speak either “Mac” or the “V”
word.)

 

Group: runacc Message: 2356 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 9/20/2011
Subject: Programming
Because I always love to start a good fight by speaking my mind I’ve
recently reposted an essay on my journal about what’s wrong with con
programming and how to fix it. Feel free to comment there or here, I’d love
feedback.http://auroraceleste.livejournal.com/301671.html

~Aurora

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Message: 2357 (REMOVED FOR VIRAL INFECTION)

Group: runacc Message: 2358 From: cgalway@xmission.com Date: 10/12/2011
Subject: Re: (unknown)

Quoting Dora Buck <dfaybuck@yahoo.com>:


>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

 

So,is this one of those virus-links (from Dora’s computer)?

Charles

 

Group: runacc Message: 2359 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 10/13/2011
Subject: Re: Digest Number 625

Please don’t click through any of the messages from Dora until you
hear from her that the virus is clear. I’m aiming to put her on
moderated status until the mess clears up, but if any others get
through, please delete them.

Thanks,

Betsy

On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 12:50 PM, <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> There are 2 messages in this issue.
>
> Topics in this digest:
>
> 1a. (no subject)
>    From: Dora Buck
> 1b. Re: (unknown)
>    From: cgalway@xmission.com
>
>
> Messages
> ________________________________________________________________________
> 1a. (no subject)
>    Posted by: “Dora Buck” dfaybuck@yahoo.com dfaybuck
>    Date: Wed Oct 12, 2011 8:13 pm ((PDT))
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Messages in this topic (2)
> ________________________________________________________________________
> 1b. Re: (unknown)
>    Posted by: “cgalway@xmission.comcgalway@xmission.com bddance_guy
>    Date: Wed Oct 12, 2011 8:59 pm ((PDT))
>
> Quoting Dora Buck <dfaybuck@yahoo.com>:
>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>
> So,is this one of those virus-links (from Dora’s computer)?
>
> Charles
>
>
>
>
>
> Messages in this topic (2)
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
>
> ————————————————————————
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
> ————————————————————————
>
>




Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

Group: runacc Message: 2360 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 10/13/2011
Subject: Re: Digest Number 625

Done. Please let me know when the dfaybuck@yahoo.com email address is
clear again and I’ll remove the moderation.

Thanks!

Betsy

On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Betsy Delaney <aramintamd@gmail.com> wrote:
> Please don’t click through any of the messages from Dora until you
> hear from her that the virus is clear. I’m aiming to put her on
> moderated status until the mess clears up, but if any others get
> through, please delete them.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Betsy
>
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 12:50 PM,  <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>> There are 2 messages in this issue.
>>
>> Topics in this digest:
>>
>> 1a. (no subject)
>>    From: Dora Buck
>> 1b. Re: (unknown)
>>    From: cgalway@xmission.com
>>
>>
>> Messages
>> ________________________________________________________________________
>> 1a. (no subject)
>>    Posted by: “Dora Buck” dfaybuck@yahoo.com dfaybuck
>>    Date: Wed Oct 12, 2011 8:13 pm ((PDT))
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Messages in this topic (2)
>> ________________________________________________________________________
>> 1b. Re: (unknown)
>>    Posted by: “cgalway@xmission.comcgalway@xmission.com bddance_guy
>>    Date: Wed Oct 12, 2011 8:59 pm ((PDT))
>>
>> Quoting Dora Buck <dfaybuck@yahoo.com>:
>>
>>>
>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>
>>>
>>
>> So,is this one of those virus-links (from Dora’s computer)?
>>
>> Charles
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Messages in this topic (2)
>>
>>
>>
>> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
>>
>> ————————————————————————
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>> ————————————————————————
>>
>>
>
>
>
> —
> —
> —
> Betsy Marks Delaney
>
> http://www.hawkeswood.com/
>




Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

Group: runacc Message: 2361 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 11/1/2011
Subject: Problems we don’t think we have…
Take a moment to read this.
http://jaymgates.com/misc/wfc-2011-creeper/Now before you start responding with “but we’re family, we’re not like
that, we’re not AnyCon” consider this happened at World Fantasy Con, a
very niche convention that’s primarily attended by a small-ish
tight-knit community of genre lit professionals and serious literary
fans, with a collegial and genteel reputation. Like us, they don’t have
door badgers, security staff, huge committees. Like us, there’s a
significant attendee base that travels to the con almost every year and
has a strong investment in seeing it succeed.

We don’t have to fundamentally change our environment because of this.
But we do have to be ready to recognize warning signs, take reports and
work with hotel security if we encounter an attendee whose behavior
crosses the line.

Because this situation should have never played out the way it did for
as long as it did.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 2362 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 11/1/2011
Subject: Re: Problems we don’t think we have…

They could be closer than people think, last year the KCCG made a very uncomfortable decision to tell a person they were no longer welcome at group meetings because they insinuated them self into conversations where they weren’t welcome, wouldn’t take no for an answer, constantly tried to change costuming conversations to something ‘more interesting’ and leered at female members; all incidents added up to where the guild had more than a handful of people either avoiding memberships or avoiding events because they didn’t want to interact with this person. I regret that it took so many complaints for the leadership (and myself personally, not as leadership but as someone who knew all parties and the situation) to take action. This person has attended Costume Cons in the past and very well could again, and while I hope that some of the message transmitted will modify the behavior (and I have seen that to a small extent from the distance I’m at) it could have easily escalated instead.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 1, 2011, at 4:55 PM, Andrew Trembley <attrembl@bovil.com> wrote:

> Take a moment to read this.
> http://jaymgates.com/misc/wfc-2011-creeper/
>
> Now before you start responding with “but we’re family, we’re not like
> that, we’re not AnyCon” consider this happened at World Fantasy Con, a
> very niche convention that’s primarily attended by a small-ish
> tight-knit community of genre lit professionals and serious literary
> fans, with a collegial and genteel reputation. Like us, they don’t have
> door badgers, security staff, huge committees. Like us, there’s a
> significant attendee base that travels to the con almost every year and
> has a strong investment in seeing it succeed.
>
> We don’t have to fundamentally change our environment because of this.
> But we do have to be ready to recognize warning signs, take reports and
> work with hotel security if we encounter an attendee whose behavior
> crosses the line.
>
> Because this situation should have never played out the way it did for
> as long as it did.
>
> andy
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2363 From: Byron Connell Date: 11/1/2011
Subject: Re: Problems we don’t think we have…

There just has been a huge and confusing discussion of this on the Arisia staff discussion list.

Every Costume-Con ought to have an adopted and published set of regulations governing the conduct of its members. The ConStitution authorizes it to do so:

“1.5.3 Restriction of Memberships

“Each Costume-Con conference committee shall have the right to limit the activities of its attendees, either individually or in groups, insofar as such activities endanger, physically or legally, other persons or property. Such limitations may include, but are not limited to, closing down parties, ejecting persons from the Costume-Con conference, or turning offenders over to other authorities. No refund of membership need be given in such circumstances. Each member, in purchasing his/her membership, agrees to abide by this ConStitution.”

To be enforceable, the con needs to give reasonable notice of the regulations’ existence. It can do so by publishing the regulations on its Web site and in the program book. That does not mean that every member will have read the regulations; however, “ignorance of the law is no excuse” for violating it. A con might consider requiring members to accept “terms and conditions,” one of which is to abide by the con’s regulations, as part of the process of purchasing a membership. Albacon is considering doing so. The con needs to have procedures through which allegation that someone violated the regulations may be brought [e.g., to whom do you complain?], the procedure the con will use in response, and the penalties for violations.

Byron

On Nov 1, 2011, at 4:55 PM, Andrew Trembley wrote:

> Take a moment to read this.
> http://jaymgates.com/misc/wfc-2011-creeper/
>
> Now before you start responding with “but we’re family, we’re not like
> that, we’re not AnyCon” consider this happened at World Fantasy Con, a
> very niche convention that’s primarily attended by a small-ish
> tight-knit community of genre lit professionals and serious literary
> fans, with a collegial and genteel reputation. Like us, they don’t have
> door badgers, security staff, huge committees. Like us, there’s a
> significant attendee base that travels to the con almost every year and
> has a strong investment in seeing it succeed.
>
> We don’t have to fundamentally change our environment because of this.
> But we do have to be ready to recognize warning signs, take reports and
> work with hotel security if we encounter an attendee whose behavior
> crosses the line.
>
> Because this situation should have never played out the way it did for
> as long as it did.
>
> andy
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 2364 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 11/1/2011
Subject: Re: Problems we don’t think we have…

We have a creeper here. During the formation of DCCS, we specifically
wrote rules for disciplinary actions, for when this person acted up
again. He is in his mid-late 20’s. He was home schooled and is pretty
much unsocialized. He used to follow girls around at conventions with a
video camera. A number of years ago he followed a con-com members
daughter into the bathroom. Fortunate for him, he fled the hotel before
her father found him. He seems to have toned down his creeping since
finding a girl to marry him. As far as I know he still lives in his
parents basement. He’s also publicly slandered DCCS, he removes our
fliers at conventions and replaces them with his own manifesto on the
evils of the DCCS.

Creepers are everywhere.

Michael

On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 17:18:32 -0400, Aurora Celeste wrote:
> They could be closer than people think, last year the KCCG made a
> very uncomfortable decision to tell a person they were no longer
> welcome at group meetings because they insinuated them self into
> conversations where they weren’t welcome, wouldn’t take no for an
> answer, constantly tried to change costuming conversations to
> something ‘more interesting’ and leered at female members; all
> incidents added up to where the guild had more than a handful of
> people either avoiding memberships or avoiding events because they
> didn’t want to interact with this person. I regret that it took so
> many complaints for the leadership (and myself personally, not as
> leadership but as someone who knew all parties and the situation) to
> take action. This person has attended Costume Cons in the past and
> very well could again, and while I hope that some of the message
> transmitted will modify the behavior (and I have seen that to a small
> extent from the distance I’m at) it could have easily escalated
> instead.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2365 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 11/22/2011
Subject: Uh Oh

Costume Connections Visual Archive is broke:

Thank you for visiting Costume-Connections. Unfortunately, the page you
requested is unavailable.

(500: Internal Server Error – A problem may exist with the program or script
being run.)

We’re sorry! Apparently we goofed, and the program or script used with this
web page is broken. Please
<mailto:Costume-Con@Costume-Con.org?subject=Error%20500%20Bug%20Report!!!>
contact us immediately and let us know:

* What form you were trying to submit.
* What page you were visiting when the problem occurred.

We apologize for the inconvenience, and will try to fix the error as quickly
as possible.

In the meanwhile, please use the form below to visit another part of our web
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Group: runacc Message: 2366 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 11/22/2011
Subject: Never mind

Temporary burp. (that was weird)

Bruce

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 2367 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 12/27/2011
Subject: CC Runway sign-up opens in ONE WEEK!

With apologies for multi-posts, since this is going to many lists:

Costume-Con 30’s new competition, CC Runway, will open for sign-up in
ONE WEEK! We are looking for up to 10 entrants to show off their
design and construction skills in this homage to the popular TV
contest, “Project Runway”.

Information may be found at the CostumeCon 30 website, as follows:
http://costumecon30.com/pdf/CC_Runway.pdf
(alt-click to go to the link)

Please consider entering this new competition, and plan to attend
Costume-Con 30! Remember, membership rates go up on Jan.1!

See you there!

Pierre and Sandy Pettinger
CC Runway Directors

International Costumers’ Guild Archivist

http://www.costume.org/gallery2/main.php

“Those Who Fail to Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly –
Why They Are Simply Doomed.”

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C. Y. 4971

Andromeda

 

Group: runacc Message: 2368 From: Elaine Mami Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: updates, please

Betsy,

I’m hoping you own the costume-con.com & .org sites. I would like to have them updated to reflect CC 30 and the next 3 CCs – but mostly 30.

If not you, then who do I need to bug?

Thanks,

Elaine
Nil significat nisi oscillat!

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Group: runacc Message: 2369 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 2/3/2012
Subject: Re: Digest Number 630

Hi, Elaine and all!

Because I was concerned about my ability to continue attending CCs (proven,
sadly, to be correct) I stepped down as site admin around CC25 and gave
Karen the keys to her site. Costume-Con.com has always been Karen’s site.

I know there are still folks who have been helping keep the Gallery
Archives up to date, but I haven’t really touched the content of the site
in three or four years.

Sad to say, every year for the past three something has taken the place of
CC in my schedule. I can’t afford to bring my kids with me and Dan has
found a way, on purpose or by accident, to be deployed or gone for work
every year since CC26. This year is no exception.

I may be able to swing it to come out to Denver next year, but I can’t buy
my membership or plan in advance because Dan’s schedule *always* comes
first (which is why we’re separated) and because being there is part of the
process, it made much less sense for me to continue as web admin.

So long as CCs continue to be outside of driving distance and off holiday
weekends, I just won’t be making them. If I can’t get to Denver next year,
Toronto is doable because I can drive there.

Please drop Karen a line (in case she isn’t seeing this message).

Thanks!

Betsy

On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 5:36 AM, <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

> 1. updates, please
> Posted by: “Elaine Mami” ecmami@hotmail.com ecmami
> Date: Thu Feb 2, 2012 4:41 pm ((PST))
>
>
> Betsy,
>
> I’m hoping you own the costume-con.com & .org sites. I would like to
> have them updated to reflect CC 30 and the next 3 CCs – but mostly 30.
>
> If not you, then who do I need to bug?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Elaine
> Nil significat nisi oscillat!
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Group: runacc Message: 2370 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 2/3/2012
Subject: Re: Digest Number 630

I’ve been updating the Galleries on the CC site but don’t touch the code for the rest of the site. As Betsy said – it is Karen’s now but she needs someone to help her with that.
Got any volunteers?

Nora

— On Fri, 2/3/12, Betsy Delaney <aramintamd@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Betsy Delaney <aramintamd@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [runacc] Digest Number 630
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, February 3, 2012, 6:39 AM

Hi, Elaine and all!

Because I was concerned about my ability to continue attending CCs (proven,
sadly, to be correct) I stepped down as site admin around CC25 and gave
Karen the keys to her site. Costume-Con.com has always been Karen’s site.

I know there are still folks who have been helping keep the Gallery
Archives up to date, but I haven’t really touched the content of the site
in three or four years.

Sad to say, every year for the past three something has taken the place of
CC in my schedule. I can’t afford to bring my kids with me and Dan has
found a way, on purpose or by accident, to be deployed or gone for work
every year since CC26. This year is no exception.

I may be able to swing it to come out to Denver next year, but I can’t buy
my membership or plan in advance because Dan’s schedule *always* comes
first (which is why we’re separated) and because being there is part of the
process, it made much less sense for me to continue as web admin.

So long as CCs continue to be outside of driving distance and off holiday
weekends, I just won’t be making them. If I can’t get to Denver next year,
Toronto is doable because I can drive there.

Please drop Karen a line (in case she isn’t seeing this message).

Thanks!

Betsy

On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 5:36 AM, <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

> 1. updates, please
>    Posted by: “Elaine Mami” ecmami@hotmail.com ecmami
>    Date: Thu Feb 2, 2012 4:41 pm ((PST))
>
>
> Betsy,
>
> I’m hoping you own the costume-con.com & .org sites.  I would like to
> have them updated to reflect CC 30 and the next 3 CCs – but mostly 30.
>
> If not you, then who do I need to bug?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Elaine
> Nil significat nisi oscillat!
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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Group: runacc Message: 2371 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair Date: 2/4/2012
Subject: Re: Digest Number 630
If we’re just talking about simple updates, not a full redesign, I can
certainly help with those.I’m looking to see if I still have the passwords.

Kevin

 

Group: runacc Message: 2372 From: Kevin Roche Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Re: updates, please
I got the “keys to the car” from Karen and have (very quickly) updated
the Costume-Con.orghome page and what’s new page.Karen will have to take care of Costume-con.com . She should always be
the first go-to on questions about either site.

I have offered to assist her in the future as well.

Kevin

 

Group: runacc Message: 2373 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 2/7/2012
Subject: Re: updates, please

That’s great! I’m perfectly happy to keep loading the Galleries for the site but wasn’t sure if my skills were up to tweaking the rest of the site.

Nora

— On Mon, 2/6/12, Kevin Roche <chair@cc26.org> wrote:

From: Kevin Roche <chair@cc26.org>
Subject: Re: [runacc] updates, please
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 6, 2012, 5:52 PM

I got the “keys to the car” from Karen and have (very quickly) updated
the Costume-Con.orghome page and what’s new page.

Karen will have to take care of Costume-con.com . She should always be
the first go-to on questions about either site.

I have offered to assist her in the future as well.

Kevin

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Group: runacc Message: 2374 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: Re: updates, please

Yay!

Perhaps we can put the FAQ I wrote up there, too?

Bruce

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Kevin Roche
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:53 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] updates, please

I got the “keys to the car” from Karen and have (very quickly) updated
the Costume-Con.orghome page and what’s new page.

Karen will have to take care of Costume-con.com . She should always be
the first go-to on questions about either site.

I have offered to assist her in the future as well.

Kevin

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Group: runacc Message: 2375 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: Re: updates, please

Let me get through Gallifrey (next weekend) and Barbot (first weekend in
March) before I start considering any structural changes. I’m severely
time-impacted at the moment. These updates were simple to do.

Kevin

On 2/12/2012 7:54 PM, Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:
>
> Yay!
>
> Perhaps we can put the FAQ I wrote up there, too?
>
> Bruce
>
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> [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>] On
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> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:53 PM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [runacc] updates, please
>
> I got the “keys to the car” from Karen and have (very quickly) updated
> the Costume-Con.orghome page and what’s new page.
>
> Karen will have to take care of Costume-con.com . She should always be
> the first go-to on questions about either site.
>
> I have offered to assist her in the future as well.
>
> Kevin
>
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Group: runacc Message: 2376 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 2/19/2012
Subject: CC promo video on line
I think most of you have already known about it but since this is the “Run A
CC” list, where we’re supposed to discuss all things about the con,
including promotion, I’ve uploaded a promo for the con on the ICG Archives
channel. Hopefully, this’ll drive some interest to various cons. I’ve
intentions of changing it out and make it look even slicker, but for now,
we’re getting good feedback on it.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAtzfC75N6k

Bruce

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Group: runacc Message: 2377 From: Michael Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: CC ConCom responsibilities

Since I’m working with a lot of people who have never been to a CC, but do have a lot of fan conventions, I’m putting together a list of ConCom positions and their responsibilities, so everyone knows who is responsible for what. I think we have most everything fleshed out, but we have a couple of questions.

Does CC usually have a Stage Manager to manage the stage crew for all the shows, or does each Masquerade Director just coordinate with them and the Green Room?

Does CC usually run a volunteer department to coordinate the people who volunteer to help on site for various things?

Thanks.

Michael

 

Group: runacc Message: 2378 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: CC ConCom responsibilities
If they don’t, they should. I’d consider both of these roles to be very
important to the con. The more you can divide out the work of logistics for
these jobs, the better, and having a single coordinator whose
responsibility it is to manage these areas makes the chair’s job MUCH
easier and the MD’s as well.My $0.02.

Betsy



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http://www.hawkeswood.com/

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Group: runacc Message: 2379 From: Martin Gear Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: CC ConCom responsibilities

Michael –
Post CC-3, I have always had a Technical Director and a Stage
Manager/Show Caller for any masquerades that I have run. Sometimes these
individuals are the same, but frequently they are separate with the TD
being responsible for the overall Tech at the convention, and the Stage
Manager responsible for an individual competition.

Yes, a volunteer department or at least a volunteer coordinator is very
important.

Marty

On 3/26/2012 11:55 PM, Michael wrote:
>
> Since I’m working with a lot of people who have never been to a CC,
> but do have a lot of fan conventions, I’m putting together a list of
> ConCom positions and their responsibilities, so everyone knows who is
> responsible for what. I think we have most everything fleshed out, but
> we have a couple of questions.
>
> Does CC usually have a Stage Manager to manage the stage crew for all
> the shows, or does each Masquerade Director just coordinate with them
> and the Green Room?
>
> Does CC usually run a volunteer department to coordinate the people
> who volunteer to help on site for various things?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Michael
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2380 From: Kevin Roche Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: CC ConCom responsibilities
I believe we had both a stage manager and a front-of-house manager (to
oversee audience load-in, etc.) for CC26.And definitely YES for a volunteer director/manager/whatever you want to
call it. If nothing else, a dedicated email address specifically for
volunteers makes it much easier to track those offers of assistance.

Kevin

 

Group: runacc Message: 2381 From: Margie Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: CC ConCom responsibilities

That’s great, Michael. (I would have loved to have had that resource available for us too.) Maybe it is something that can go online to be useful for future CC’s? Possibly even in the Files section of this Yahoo group.

I know I plan to have a lot of documents available for future use.

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Michael” <bruno@…> wrote:
>
> Since I’m working with a lot of people who have never been to a CC, but do have a lot of fan conventions, I’m putting together a list of ConCom positions and their responsibilities, so everyone knows who is responsible for what. I think we have most everything fleshed out, but we have a couple of questions.
>
> Does CC usually have a Stage Manager to manage the stage crew for all the shows, or does each Masquerade Director just coordinate with them and the Green Room?
>
> Does CC usually run a volunteer department to coordinate the people who volunteer to help on site for various things?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> Michael
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2382 From: Byron Connell Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: CC ConCom responsibilities

I generally favor a single management for all shows, including the tech director, stage manager, green room manager, head ninja/backstage manager, and front-of-house manager. This relieves the show director from the added responsibility of filling those positions; the MD has enough to do in writing the rules, organizing the show, finding and briefing the judges, finding judges’ clerks, and so forth. It also assures that the con’s later shows are supported by a team that’s experienced in working with one another. Generally, however, the con needs to assign these managers show-by-show, since the same person may not be available for each and every show. (The SFF head nina may be an entrant in the Historical, for example.)

Often in my experience, the stage manager is designated by and reports to the tech director and calls the show. The head ninja is responsible for providing staff to support the entrants as they enter and leave the stage. When I run a green room I usually tell the den moms to turn their charges over to the ninjas and pick then up again after the ninjas get them off stage. Catchers often also report to the head ninja.

I agree with Betsey that it’s a good idea for a CC to have a coordinator of volunteers and a list of volunteer staff and gofers, as SF cons usually do. Roughly one out of two CC attending members need to provide some volunteer effort at some point during the con; otherwise the con may be in danger of collapse. Someone has to accept the offers to volunteer and assign the volunteers to essential jobs. I’t not going to happen on its own.

Byron

On Mar 26, 2012, at 11:55 PM, Michael wrote:

> Since I’m working with a lot of people who have never been to a CC, but do have a lot of fan conventions, I’m putting together a list of ConCom positions and their responsibilities, so everyone knows who is responsible for what. I think we have most everything fleshed out, but we have a couple of questions.
>
> Does CC usually have a Stage Manager to manage the stage crew for all the shows, or does each Masquerade Director just coordinate with them and the Green Room?
>
> Does CC usually run a volunteer department to coordinate the people who volunteer to help on site for various things?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Michael
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2383 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: CC ConCom responsibilities

Marg,

I agree that the more information that can be passed down to future
conventions will be to their benefit. We shouldn’t need to reinvent the
wheel every year.

Michael

On 27.03.2012 10:20, Margie wrote:
> That’s great, Michael. (I would have loved to have had that resource
> available for us too.) Maybe it is something that can go online to be
> useful for future CC’s? Possibly even in the Files section of this
> Yahoo group.
>
> I know I plan to have a lot of documents available for future use.
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2384 From: Byron Connell Date: 3/28/2012
Subject: Re: CC ConCom responsibilities

The SLUTs post critiques following every CC. I think they’re on runacc. They talk about both good and bad aspects of the con and probably would be very valuable for concoms to review.

Byron

On Mar 27, 2012, at 10:58 PM, bruno@soulmasque.com wrote:

> Marg,
>
> I agree that the more information that can be passed down to future
> conventions will be to their benefit. We shouldn’t need to reinvent the
> wheel every year.
>
> Michael
>
> On 27.03.2012 10:20, Margie wrote:
> > That’s great, Michael. (I would have loved to have had that resource
> > available for us too.) Maybe it is something that can go online to be
> > useful for future CC’s? Possibly even in the Files section of this
> > Yahoo group.
> >
> > I know I plan to have a lot of documents available for future use.
> >
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2385 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Re: CC ConCom responsibilities

I would have spoken up, earlier, but I got the impression by the Subject
line that what was wanted was the responsibilities, not so much about what
went wrong and right. Betsy archived our con-running experiences/stuff we
learned from CC16 on the Costume-Con.org site, along with other material.
Most of the info still applies.

And as Byron says, we do post most of the “Warts and All” review versions to
this and the SLCG list. We’d like to think our reviews have been helpful
over the years (although some mistakes seem to be continually repeated, even
after we pointed to the problems).

Bruce

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Byron Connell
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 7:02 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: CC ConCom responsibilities

The SLUTs post critiques following every CC. I think they’re on runacc.
They talk about both good and bad aspects of the con and probably would be
very valuable for concoms to review.

Byron

On Mar 27, 2012, at 10:58 PM, bruno@soulmasque.com wrote:

> Marg,
>
> I agree that the more information that can be passed down to future
> conventions will be to their benefit. We shouldn’t need to reinvent
> the wheel every year.
>
> Michael
>
> On 27.03.2012 10:20, Margie wrote:
> > That’s great, Michael. (I would have loved to have had that resource
> > available for us too.) Maybe it is something that can go online to
> > be useful for future CC’s? Possibly even in the Files section of
> > this Yahoo group.
> >
> > I know I plan to have a lot of documents available for future use.
> >
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2386 From: Kaijugal . Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: CC ConCom responsibilities

I think what is being asked for is a list of expectations. i.e. The Folio should open at X time before the convention date, and

is released X time before the convention date.

I’ve reviewed some of the previous posts regarding previous Costume Cons. That said, every opinion does not
always mesh. And different people have different needs and POV’s

There is no overarching document that outlines general expectations, and therefore you are always going to get
a select group of people who balk that, “That’s just NOT the way it’s done!!!111”, when people make executive decisions
on how to run their Costume-Con.

This is a problem I’ve already come up against. I’m running mine based on what I’ve seen and experienced mingled
with what I know works from my extensive con running experience, and taking into account some of the complaints
that have been made about previous conventions, but I’m still getting the “That’s just not how it’s done.” commentary.

I’m going to do my best in conjunction with my team to deliver a fun and well rounded convention, but I can’t
say that not having a set of guidelines / expectations beyond what basic events should exist would be the best
case scenario for anybody running a Costume-Con for a first time, especially when we have such a highly critical
community.

~Dawn McK

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: casamai@sbcglobal.net
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 21:59:55 -0500
Subject: RE: [runacc] Re: CC ConCom responsibilities

I would have spoken up, earlier, but I got the impression by the Subject

line that what was wanted was the responsibilities, not so much about what

went wrong and right. Betsy archived our con-running experiences/stuff we

learned from CC16 on the Costume-Con.org site, along with other material.

Most of the info still applies.

And as Byron says, we do post most of the “Warts and All” review versions to

this and the SLCG list. We’d like to think our reviews have been helpful

over the years (although some mistakes seem to be continually repeated, even

after we pointed to the problems).

Bruce

—–Original Message—–

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of

Byron Connell

Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 7:02 PM

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: CC ConCom responsibilities

The SLUTs post critiques following every CC. I think they’re on runacc.

They talk about both good and bad aspects of the con and probably would be

very valuable for concoms to review.

Byron

On Mar 27, 2012, at 10:58 PM, bruno@soulmasque.com wrote:

> Marg,

>

> I agree that the more information that can be passed down to future

> conventions will be to their benefit. We shouldn’t need to reinvent

> the wheel every year.

>

> Michael

>

> On 27.03.2012 10:20, Margie wrote:

> > That’s great, Michael. (I would have loved to have had that resource

> > available for us too.) Maybe it is something that can go online to

> > be useful for future CC’s? Possibly even in the Files section of

> > this Yahoo group.

> >

> > I know I plan to have a lot of documents available for future use.

> >

>

>

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Group: runacc Message: 2387 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: CC ConCom responsibilities

You’re always going to get folks who don’t like change. But “that’s not the way its done” is different from “this is how we’ve done it in the past”. Sometimes things don’t need to be changed just for the sake of changing things, but it’s always okay to try out new things. If they don’t work – lesson learned.
The biggest problems seem to be people who don’t want any change (no matter if it would be an improvement or not) and people who insist on changing things just because.
“If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” does apply but so does “don’t make the same mistakes, make new ones”.

Nora

— On Tue, 4/3/12, Kaijugal . <kaijugal@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Kaijugal . <kaijugal@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [runacc] Re: CC ConCom responsibilities
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 3, 2012, 8:47 AM

I think what is being asked for is a list of expectations. i.e. The Folio should open at X time before the convention date, and

is released X time before the convention date.

I’ve reviewed some of the previous posts regarding previous Costume Cons. That said, every opinion does not
always mesh. And different people have different needs and POV’s

There is no overarching document that outlines general expectations, and therefore you are always going to get
a select group of people who balk that, “That’s just NOT the way it’s done!!!111”, when people make executive decisions
on how to run their Costume-Con.

This is a problem I’ve already come up against. I’m running mine based on what I’ve seen and experienced mingled
with what I know works from my extensive con running experience, and taking into account some of the complaints
that have been made about previous conventions, but I’m still getting the “That’s just not how it’s done.” commentary.

I’m going to do my best in conjunction with my team to deliver a fun and well rounded convention, but I can’t
say that not having a set of guidelines / expectations beyond what basic events should exist would be the best
case scenario for anybody running a Costume-Con for a first time, especially when we have such a highly critical
community.

~Dawn McK

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: casamai@sbcglobal.net
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 21:59:55 -0500
Subject: RE: [runacc] Re: CC ConCom responsibilities

I would have spoken up, earlier, but I got the impression by the Subject

line that what was wanted was the responsibilities, not so much about what

went wrong and right.   Betsy archived our con-running experiences/stuff we

learned from CC16 on the Costume-Con.org site, along with other material.

Most of the info still applies.

And as Byron says, we do post most of the “Warts and All” review versions to

this and the SLCG list.   We’d like to think our reviews have been helpful

over the years (although some mistakes seem to be continually repeated, even

after we pointed to the problems).

Bruce

—–Original Message—–

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of

Byron Connell

Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 7:02 PM

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: CC ConCom responsibilities

The SLUTs post critiques following every CC.  I think they’re on runacc.

They talk about both good and bad aspects of the con and probably would be

very valuable for concoms to review.

Byron

On Mar 27, 2012, at 10:58 PM, bruno@soulmasque.com wrote:

> Marg,

>

> I agree that the more information that can be passed down to future

> conventions will be to their benefit. We shouldn’t need to reinvent

> the wheel every year.

>

> Michael

>

> On 27.03.2012 10:20, Margie wrote:

> > That’s great, Michael. (I would have loved to have had that resource

> > available for us too.) Maybe it is something that can go online to

> > be useful for future CC’s? Possibly even in the Files section of

> > this Yahoo group.

> >

> > I know I plan to have a lot of documents available for future use.

> >

>

>

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Group: runacc Message: 2388 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 5/29/2012
Subject: Fwd: [ICG-D] CON Runners’ Guide: Working with Masquerade Photographe

Hey!

I’m forwarding Richard Man’s post on ICG-D so the folks on this list will
have a copy.

Cheers,

Betsy



Betsy Marks Delaney
www.hawkeswood.com
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From: “Richard Man” <richard@imagecraft.com>
Date: May 28, 2012 11:15 PM
Subject: [ICG-D] CON Runners’ Guide: Working with Masquerade Photographers
To: “ICG-D@yahoogroups.com” <icg-d@yahoogroups.com>, <
siliconweb@yahoogroups.com>, <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>

(posted here: http://www.richardmanphoto.com/blog/?p=3707)

Aurora Celeste organized a whole day event at Costume Con
30<http://costumecon30.com/>for (potential) conrunners and I did a
segment on photography. I thought it
may be useful to organize what I spoke about and post it here.

The most important thing to remember is that the photographs are the most
lasting historical documents of a convention masquerade. Years from now,
people would want to see the costumes (and costumers), perhaps from the
excellent ICG Archive Gallery <http://www.costume.org/gallery2/main.php>.
Therefore, to state the obvious point, the most important customers for the
photographer then is the costumers, not the masquerade directors, not the
convention chair, but the costumers. The job of the conrunners then, is to
make sure that the photographer has the resource to put the costumes and
costumers in the best light (*ahem, sorry*).

The closest convention staff that the photographer works with is the Green
Room manager. If you are a conrunner, make sure that your Green Room
manager knows that they need to handle the photographer, in addition to
managing the costumers. If you are a photographer, make sure that the Green
Room manager knows all your needs.

Here is a list to think about:

– Is there sufficient space for the photographer? I personally need at
least ~20 feet by 20 feet. Make sure there is space for traffic flow.
– Make sure there is at least one power outlet, and if needed, provide
extension cord and outlets, gaffe tape, safety pins, paper and pens. I
personally carry all those things myself so all I need is a power outlet,
but other photographers may not have them.
– Give the photographer the run list. Generally I try to photograph more
or less in the run list order, but I do not hold to it strictly. Sometimes
it’s impractical anyway as the costumers may not be ready.
– The Green Room manager should have a volunteer to manage the costumer
queue and make sure that they also have the run list and that all
costumers
have been photographed. Have the volunteer check off the list as the
entries are photographed. The important thing is this: let the
photographer
photographs and someone else does whatever else is needed.
– Likewise, do not have the official photographer to do judges photos.
– And if you have someone who wants space to do judges photos (rather
than, for example, simple photos taken “anywhere” in the Green Room), then
make sure there is a separate space from the official photo space.
– I like to photograph the winners afterward with their award ribbons or
certificates. Ask your photographer about it.

For the photographers, the most important thing is *do not upload bad
photos. *If someone happens not to look their best at one shot because of
lighting or whatever reasons, just don’t upload the photo. Share with the
person privately if you must (i.e. only photo of a particular costume or
costuming details). Second, try to process and upload all photos within 2-3
weeks.

Good luck and have fun.

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Group: runacc Message: 2389 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/31/2012
Subject: SLCG CC30 Review on the way
Buckle up. We’ve got the rough draft out there. I should hopefully be
posting it by sometime next week.Bruce

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Group: runacc Message: 2390 From: Bruce Date: 6/4/2012
Subject: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Opening Remarks

Hi, folks.

The review was approached a little differently this time, due to SLCG
members all arrived in Phoenix separately this time, rather than in big
groups like we often do. So, there wasn’t the excited yammering on
the way back home like there normally is. We haven’t even met in
person to discuss the con yet – it was all on our list. So, it may
take me some time to distill some comments down.

Let’s get started.

A number of SLCG members were part of the CC30 committee – Nora,
myself, Byron, the Pettingers, Aurora & Henry. Thus, they can share
whatever comments they previously had on our list as they see fit. I
will break out into my own personal narrative more often this time,
because the roots of the review started while Nora and I were still on
vacation after the con. You know how it is – ya gotta talk about
SOMEthing.

Before the con

I’ll give credit to the local CC30 committee members’
recognition of problems at previous Costume-Cons and wanted to make sure
they avoided them. They weren’t always successful, but it was
obvious they were trying. You can take some of the following criticisms
with a grain of salt, but future committees should take heed and make
different mistakes – not the same ones.

Early on, there was a decision made that, rather than using the more
familiar Yahoo group for committee communication, they wanted to use
Googlegroups. Ostensibly, it was because some of the committee wanted
to use the Googledocs function. Some of us (committee members) were
reluctant to have to keep track of yet another account. It was also
difficult to navigate around on on line. Ironically, that function
stopped working or was unaccessable sometime after everyone was on
board.

Now, theoretically, it was mentioned at the ICG annual meeting, that
there is a potential that Yahoo may eventually be going out of business
and/or selling off some of their properties, including Yahoogroups.
While there’s no immediate concern yet, the Technical advisory
committee is keeping an eye on the situation, and will inform the
chapters who use Yahoo Groups, and come up with alternatives if
they’re needed. Something for future CC committees to keep in
mind, though.

Credit goes to the Chairperson Elaine Mami & the rest of the local
committee for making careful note of the importance of communications.
However, having been on the CC30 committee list, communications seemed
disjointed at times. Questions about logistics from the show heads
seemed to be asked more than twice – I suppose it was easier than
going back through old emails.

Contrast this with when other committee members might have had a
question – they were told “it’s on the website”, rather
than just answering their question again. Not sure if this was to
streamline inquiries, or what. Another thing that seemed contradictory
to keeping the lines of communication open was that the Vice Chair would
sometimes take a query from a committee staff member off-list for a one
on one discussion. We realize this was probably to weed out a lot of
unnecessary chatter, but by doing so, it denied the rest of the
committee the opportunity to either add an observation or find out
something that might obliquely affect their own position.

There’s always the possibility of personality conflicts within a
committee, especially when you are pulling in people from outside a
Guild chapter to help fill out positions. However, there were a few
times when some of those conflicts spilled over on the committee
discussion list. That made things uncomfortable, at times. I’ll
not go into detail – most everyone on this list was also part of the
CC30 committee. I will just state that whether complaints about someone
are justified or not, it’s inappropriate to use a committee list to
air grievances against them, rather than addressing them face to face..

On a different note, we do want to say that all the other first-time
committee members from the Phoenix area seemed friendly and performed
their jobs well. Other notes: the webmaster did a pretty good job
updating the website any time there was anything new to report.

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Group: runacc Message: 2391 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/5/2012
Subject: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Hotel and Registration
The hotel staff was friendly and efficient. While “pricey” (given that it
was in a “downtown” location), it was possibly the best located that we’ve
seen for restaurant alternatives. You could walk right out the door and
find a restaurant within just a few hundred feet – an Irish pub was across
the alley.The facility seemed a good fit for the con (we understand it’s used quite a
bit for local cons). The free valet parking was nice -having to tip the
attendant was a small price to pay for that “luxury”. Many people liked
the courtyard with the fruit-bearing orange trees and lots of tables to sit
outside at. Of course, using those tables was dependent on the time of day,
since it could get pretty hot in the sun.

The “O” shape of the hotel with the elevators on two sides made for
“interesting” navigation. There was more than one person who got turned
around, looking for a particular room, depending on which set of elevators
were used. Not a criticism, per se – just an observation. What was more
odd was the fact that all the function space, located around the courtyard,
was accessed by having to go outside from the elevators, then crossing the
courtyard – there was no inner hallway entrances to the rooms. This
arrangement contributed to a sense that there wasn’t much traffic during the
convention (more on that later).

The outdoor pool and 2 hot tubs(!) were much appreciated after years of not
having them at CC.

Arrival

Credit goes to the committee again for having registration organized on
Thursday – they were set up in the hotel lobby that day, ready to take
people(!). Later, they moved that table to outside the main ballroom for
the rest of the weekend. Some people had a little difficulty finding
Registration after that, and having no signage to point the way for new
arrivals (as far as I know) didn’t help. I know that the hotel was rather
restrictive about the ability to put up signs, but perhaps free-standing
sandwich boards or kiosks (like we had at CC25) would have helped. If
there’s one thing we have continually heard complaints about over the past
few years, it’s a lack of sufficient signage. Future CC committee Chairs,
please make a note to have your committees give some careful thought to this
detail.

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Group: runacc Message: 2392 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/5/2012
Subject: Re: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Hotel and Registration

In a message dated 6/5/2012 8:59:26 AM Central Daylight Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> The hotel staff was friendly and efficient. While “pricey” (given that it
> was in a “downtown” location), it was possibly the best located that we’ve
> seen for restaurant alternatives. You could walk right out the door and
> find a restaurant within just a few hundred feet – an Irish pub was across
> the alley.
>
>
>

I agree with this! The only hotel staff member that was consistently not
very friendly was the Bartender. And he was not the best one I have ever dealt
with.

The location to other restaurants was nice. I particularly liked Paisan’s
Pizza around the corner. I went there many days.

Henry W. Osier

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Group: runacc Message: 2393 From: Bruce Date: 6/5/2012
Subject: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Program Book
It looked very nice, with a very fancy photo. The committeed should be
commended for pulling in a number of advertisers. Content-wise, people
thought the descriptions for the panel programming was thorough.Since not everyone would have read the CC FAQ that was on the website, I
think it would have been a good idea to also publish it in the program
book. (Of course, I’ve been told a lot of people don’t read their
program book until after the con, too. <shrug> ). In at least one
specific instance, someone didn’t find out about the Con Suite until
Sunday. It’s one of those things that the vets just assume everyone
knows about, but it’s more comprehensive than the usual hospitality
suite at general SF cons. Plus, those don’t usually have parties
featuring so much food.

A few didn’t like the vertical format of the trifold pocket program.
Apparently, that’s the way some of the cons print their programs in that
area. The most confusing part of the pub was the scheduled lunch hour
was left off. There probably should have been some space that said
“12:00 – 1:00 – LUNCH”. I liked that they showed who was
sponsoring what at what time in the Con Suite – sort of like an
additional programming track. Having the map on the reverse side was
good, but, apparently some people had trouble reading it.

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Group: runacc Message: 2394 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/7/2012
Subject: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Con Suite
One of the best in 20 years we’ve been attending. Rebecca Rowan worked
tirelessly to keep it stocked withsnacks, protein foods, fruit, tea, coffee and so on. Having both Pepsi &
Coke products was appreciated. The con was very successful in getting
sponsorships by not just standing CC committees, but local conventions and
other local costuming groups, including the SLCG, of course. Having Guild
chapters sponsor things should be an annual pursuit by committees. Almost
every sponsored meal had real food, plus the couple of tea and cookie times
in the suite. This saved folks a lot of money.

Speaking to the SLUTS in attendance, we’re pretty much thinking we should
continue to sponsor Con Suite meals.

Nora thought supplying the con with herbal teas was a good idea for future
CC suites. More people our age are trying to stay healthy and many people
availed themselves of the good variety. Something to keep in mind.

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Group: runacc Message: 2395 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/7/2012
Subject: Re: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Con Suite

The physical space — a long and skinny room — was not ideal. Rebecca made excellent used of it, however. My only personal complaint was that, on Sunday morning, as I desperately sought coffee before opening the green room to the FFS entrants who were to begin arriving at 9:00, all four coffee pots were perking at the same time so none was available.

Ah, well.

Byron

On Jun 7, 2012, at 8:26 AM, Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:

> One of the best in 20 years we’ve been attending. Rebecca Rowan worked
> tirelessly to keep it stocked with
>
> snacks, protein foods, fruit, tea, coffee and so on. Having both Pepsi &
> Coke products was appreciated. The con was very successful in getting
> sponsorships by not just standing CC committees, but local conventions and
> other local costuming groups, including the SLCG, of course. Having Guild
> chapters sponsor things should be an annual pursuit by committees. Almost
> every sponsored meal had real food, plus the couple of tea and cookie times
> in the suite. This saved folks a lot of money.
>
> Speaking to the SLUTS in attendance, we’re pretty much thinking we should
> continue to sponsor Con Suite meals.
>
> Nora thought supplying the con with herbal teas was a good idea for future
> CC suites. More people our age are trying to stay healthy and many people
> availed themselves of the good variety. Something to keep in mind.
>
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>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2396 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/8/2012
Subject: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Exhibits
Seemed..okay given that Henry had to scramble when he was asked to pick up
for Dora when she couldn’t come. It had a few more historical costumes than
FS & F/Fantasy, but you’re really at the mercy of who bothers to bring
stuff. Henry can address this more. The number of quilts was probably
pretty good, given that they’re not costumes. That had around a dozen, as
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Group: runacc Message: 2397 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/8/2012
Subject: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: The Ribbon Project
Carrying on an idea we started at CC16, Nora’s efforts to get people to
identify themselves either as first-timers or as CC veterans was very
successful. We handed out quite a few ribbons outright, but we also had
many people come up to us and ask for them.The “Costume-Con Cognoscenti” idea’s success was harder to define. Nora,
Karen, Kevin, Pierre, Sandy and I (I think that’s all of us) wore them at
various times during the con. Few people asked first-timer questions, but
those that did were appreciative.

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Group: runacc Message: 2398 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/8/2012
Subject: Costume-Con Review – Runacc: Panel Programming

LONG POST

Programming-wise, we thought the subjects covered were interesting, and
there were about the right number of tracks. Most of the panels that we saw
were well-attended.

Here are some notes about our specific panel experiences:

Newsletter Editors Panel: Bust. Only one person came.

Presentation 201: Bust. I’ve yet to see a presentation panel very
well-attended. Either people think it’s too late for tips or don’t think
they need the help. They either need to be presented in a different way or
just dropped.

How to Build a Guild Chapter: Only 4 – 6 people showed up for this, and
only one person was there to get info. However, there was some interesting
side conversations about how to recruit new people into existing chapters
from the Minnesota Guild.

My First Costume-Con: Successful. Not as many people at this one, compared
to, say, CC28, but still worthwhile to continue. We may want to focus the
subject matter a little more in the future. Having a lot of panelists is not
necessarily always a good idea – we tended to get off on a tangent. A good
moderator is key.

The Future Fashion Folio 29-year retrospective was moderately successful.
Everyone there liked the idea of trying to get the permission of as many
designers as we can reach to republish some of the old designs from the
past. And I like the idea of possibly doing a “second chance” Folio show to
see if we can get more of the ones on stage that were never made up. Does
that mean I’ve volunteered? Also, we’ve gotten a couple of contacts out of
it for more material for the Archives. Bonus.

The Monday Costume-Con operations seminar track, which ran just about all
day, was surprisingly and moderately, successful. Panels ran 30 minutes
each, and covered topics such as running masquerades, setting the rules,
paperwork, choosing judges, judges etiquette documentation, etc. No new
people, but those who were on future committees found the discussions of
interest. So, this track seemed to work.

The Archives Road Show was better attended than last year. We’re thinking,
maybe, we should also request an hour sometime earlier in the weekend to
show some more “targeted” productions to pique more people’s interest in
convention costuming history.

From what we’ve heard, the workshops were well attended, but some were
limited in scope: “Steampunk Goggles”, “Intro to Hat Blocking”, “Steampunk
Garters”, etc. However, you have to realize that anything really involved
is going to take up more than an hour’s time to explore. One person said
they liked the Kanzashi workshop.

The panels in 75 minute blocks, with a 15 minute “transition” to allow
people to get to their next panel was a good idea in theory, because it
never seems like an hour is enough, especially when there are a lot of
questions. However, many panelists took the block to mean they actually had
90 minutes, and thus, kept the following panels from being able to set up –
which was a problem if you had equipment to prepare. You know how it is
with people not getting the heck out of a room immediately after an
especially interesting panel or where there are lots of props to pack up.

Panelists were given 5 or 10 minute warnings during the first day or so of
the weekend, but as it wore on, this was less and less observed. There
needs to be adequate people deputized to keep up on this. At least two
panels on I was in on Sunday were delayed because people were still
dawdling, thus setup for the next one was delayed.

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Group: runacc Message: 2399 From: lisa58@juno.com Date: 6/8/2012
Subject: Re: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Exhibits

My two cents on Exhibits:

Exhibits was the first CC job I ever had,for CC 15. I was supposed to
besomeone else’s “assistant”, but it ended up I ran it myself. For the
most part, you really ARE at the mercy of who can bring things; however,
if you decide on a “theme” and start early enough, you can contact
specific people who have costumes that you want to include with that
“Theme” and target getting those costumes. That year I got a lot of
folks to ship me stuff (even from the UK), plus I was thrilled to have
lots of tables from the htoel, as well as having my husband build me T
stands and table stands to display headpieces. I will say, it was a fair
amount amount of work, especially the tearing down, repacking and
shipping out what was needed, but I was happy with our Exhibit. Becasue
the Exhibits that year ended up in a very public, accfessible space that
was right when you got off theelevators at the top floor of the hotel, it
was really hard to avoid, so we had a lot of traffic. We also required a
guard at night, though, but we had a a terrific volunteer who slept there
on a folding cot every night.

I’ve often felt that Exhibits gets marginalized a little bit. I’d liket
o see, at least on Sat. and Sunday of hte con, a morning docented tour
through it, with a “more experienced” costumer maybe pointing out details
that wouldn’t otherwise be noticed. I’d also like to see an area where
historical or other masq. documentation could be perhaps exhibited, even
looked at more closely.

And, Bruce and Nora, I will DEFINITELY take you up on your suggestion to
have an Archives viewing earlier in the con for CC33.

Yorus in costuming,Lisa A

On Fri, 8 Jun 2012 07:05:05 -0500 “Nora & Bruce Mai”
<casamai@sbcglobal.net> writes:

> Seemed..okay given that Henry had to scramble when he was asked to
> pick up
> for Dora when she couldn’t come. It had a few more historical
> costumes than
> FS & F/Fantasy, but you’re really at the mercy of who bothers to
> bring
> stuff. Henry can address this more. The number of quilts was
> probably
> pretty good, given that they’re not costumes. That had around a
> dozen, as
> well. And the Doll contest had a good turnout. Space for all these
> was
> adequate.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2400 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/8/2012
Subject: Re: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Exhibits

Yes! I believe we’ve talked about docented tours in the past. Kinda
forgot about that suggestion. I think that would require more prep ahead of
time, to be sure of what you’d be getting. Then, you have to give your
docent (and you’ll probably need more than one) lead time to learn the stuff
– or at least have notes to read from. This almost requires having a vet or
at least someone who has costumed for many years.

Bruce

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From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
lisa58@juno.com
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 8:24 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Exhibits

My two cents on Exhibits:

I’ve often felt that Exhibits gets marginalized a little bit. I’d liket o
see, at least on Sat. and Sunday of hte con, a morning docented tour through
it, with a “more experienced” costumer maybe pointing out details that
wouldn’t otherwise be noticed. I’d also like to see an area where
historical or other masq. documentation could be perhaps exhibited, even
looked at more closely.

Yorus in costuming,Lisa A

On Fri, 8 Jun 2012 07:05:05 -0500 “Nora & Bruce Mai”
<casamai@sbcglobal.net> writes:

> Seemed..okay given that Henry had to scramble when he was asked to
> pick up for Dora when she couldn’t come. It had a few more historical
> costumes than FS & F/Fantasy, but you’re really at the mercy of who
> bothers to bring stuff. Henry can address this more. The number of
> quilts was probably pretty good, given that they’re not costumes.
> That had around a dozen, as well. And the Doll contest had a good
> turnout. Space for all these was adequate.

 

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Group: runacc Message: 2401 From: Lisa Ashton Date: 6/8/2012
Subject: Re: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Exhibits

I’ll be happy to work with whoever is coordinating exhibits at CC33 ( or at the other upcoming cons). I think it would be really fun to have a discussion of the exhibits as a docent–I do that sort of thing at My county fiar every summer in the Home Arts Bldg. It’s also great, to have the costumer offering the costume for exhibit to write a few sentences that can be used as part of the signage when the exhibits are up.
Yours in cosutming, Lisa a

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From: “Nora & Bruce Mai” <casamai@sbcglobal.net>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [runacc] Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Exhibits
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 20:04:17 -0500

Yes! I believe we’ve talked about docented tours in the past. Kinda
forgot about that suggestion. I think that would require more prep ahead of
time, to be sure of what you’d be getting. Then, you have to give your
docent (and you’ll probably need more than one) lead time to learn the stuff
– or at least have notes to read from. This almost requires having a vet or
at least someone who has costumed for many years.

Bruce

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From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
lisa58@juno.com
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 8:24 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Exhibits

My two cents on Exhibits:

I’ve often felt that Exhibits gets marginalized a little bit. I’d liket o
see, at least on Sat. and Sunday of hte con, a morning docented tour through
it, with a “more experienced” costumer maybe pointing out details that
wouldn’t otherwise be noticed. I’d also like to see an area where
historical or other masq. documentation could be perhaps exhibited, even
looked at more closely.

Yorus in costuming,Lisa A

On Fri, 8 Jun 2012 07:05:05 -0500 “Nora & Bruce Mai”
<casamai@sbcglobal.net> writes:

> Seemed..okay given that Henry had to scramble when he was asked to
> pick up for Dora when she couldn’t come. It had a few more historical
> costumes than FS & F/Fantasy, but you’re really at the mercy of who
> bothers to bring stuff. Henry can address this more. The number of
> quilts was probably pretty good, given that they’re not costumes.
> That had around a dozen, as well. And the Doll contest had a good
> turnout. Space for all these was adequate.

 

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Group: runacc Message: 2301 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/29/2011
Subject: Re: Names on Photographs, etc
Group: runacc Message: 2302 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/29/2011
Subject: Re: Names on Photographs, etc
Group: runacc Message: 2303 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/30/2011
Subject: Re: Names on Photographs, etc
Group: runacc Message: 2304 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair Date: 6/30/2011
Subject: Re: Questions for former con chairs.
Group: runacc Message: 2305 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/30/2011
Subject: Re: Names on Photographs, etc
Group: runacc Message: 2306 From: Nora Date: 7/2/2011
Subject: CC30 Avenir Mode Folio
Group: runacc Message: 2307 From: Kaijugal . Date: 7/2/2011
Subject: Re: CC30 Avenir Mode Folio
Group: runacc Message: 2308 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 7/2/2011
Subject: Re: Names on Photographs, etc
Group: runacc Message: 2309 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: Where’s the Costume-Con.com site?
Group: runacc Message: 2310 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: The CC FAQ, PDQ, OK? LOL!
Group: runacc Message: 2311 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: FAQ pt. 2
Group: runacc Message: 2312 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: CC FAQ pt. 3
Group: runacc Message: 2313 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: FAQ pt 4
Group: runacc Message: 2314 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: CC FAQ pt. 5
Group: runacc Message: 2315 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: CC FAQ pt 6
Group: runacc Message: 2316 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: CC FAQ pt 7
Group: runacc Message: 2317 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: CC FAQ pt 7
Group: runacc Message: 2318 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: CC FAQ pt 8
Group: runacc Message: 2319 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: CC FAQ pt 9
Group: runacc Message: 2320 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: CC FAQ pt 10
Group: runacc Message: 2321 From: Byron Connell Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: Re: The CC FAQ, PDQ, OK? LOL!
Group: runacc Message: 2322 From: Byron Connell Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: Re: CC FAQ pt. 3
Group: runacc Message: 2323 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: CC FAQ pt 11
Group: runacc Message: 2324 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: CC FAQ pt 12
Group: runacc Message: 2325 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: CC FAQ pt 13
Group: runacc Message: 2326 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: CC FAQ pt 14 – the last
Group: runacc Message: 2327 From: Byron Connell Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: Re: FAQ pt 4
Group: runacc Message: 2328 From: Byron Connell Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: Re: CC FAQ pt. 5
Group: runacc Message: 2329 From: Byron Connell Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: Re: CC FAQ pt 7
Group: runacc Message: 2330 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: Re: CC FAQ pt 6
Group: runacc Message: 2331 From: Byron Connell Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: Re: CC FAQ pt 13
Group: runacc Message: 2332 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 7/29/2011
Subject: Must have been temporary
Group: runacc Message: 2333 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 7/29/2011
Subject: Re: CC FAQ’s
Group: runacc Message: 2334 From: Byron Connell Date: 7/29/2011
Subject: Re: Must have been temporary
Group: runacc Message: 2335 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/29/2011
Subject: Re: Must have been temporary
Group: runacc Message: 2336 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 7/30/2011
Subject: Temporary Costume-Con.com outage
Group: runacc Message: 2337 From: Tina Connell Date: 7/31/2011
Subject: Old FAQs
Group: runacc Message: 2338 From: Nora Date: 8/1/2011
Subject: CC30 Nächster Mode Folioblatt
Group: runacc Message: 2339 From: Nora Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: One week! One week! One week!
Group: runacc Message: 2340 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 8/31/2011
Subject: CC site countdown clock
Group: runacc Message: 2341 From: Elaine Mami Date: 8/31/2011
Subject: Re: CC site countdown clock
Group: runacc Message: 2342 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 9/15/2011
Subject: A different kind of CC promotion idea
Group: runacc Message: 2343 From: Martin Gear Date: 9/15/2011
Subject: Re: A different kind of CC promotion idea
Group: runacc Message: 2344 From: Kaijugal . Date: 9/15/2011
Subject: Re: A different kind of CC promotion idea
Group: runacc Message: 2345 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 9/15/2011
Subject: Re: A different kind of CC promotion idea
Group: runacc Message: 2346 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 9/16/2011
Subject: Re: A different kind of CC promotion idea
Group: runacc Message: 2347 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 9/17/2011
Subject: Re: A different kind of CC promotion idea
Group: runacc Message: 2348 From: Elaine Mami Date: 9/17/2011
Subject: Re: A different kind of CC promotion idea
Group: runacc Message: 2349 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair Date: 9/18/2011
Subject: Re: A different kind of CC promotion idea
Group: runacc Message: 2350 From: Elaine Mami Date: 9/18/2011
Subject: Re: A different kind of CC promotion idea

 


 

Group: runacc Message: 2301 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/29/2011
Subject: Re: Names on Photographs, etc

Aurora –
The only place that I know of that requires a legal name is on the
release portion of the entry form, and there is no reason for that to
ever be published or attached to a picture. Like Ricky, I only read
what is given to me to read on an entry form. Please reassure your
brother about this.
Marty

On 6/29/2011 12:19 AM, Aurora Celeste wrote:
>
> I’m trying to reassure my brother, so excuse the obvious. Next year I’m
> bringing my niece to costume con. She’s a costume diva and loves it when
> she gets new outfits, so we designed an entry for her. My mom will also be
> attending to help herd her. My brother is worried, though, about her
> online
> presence. He doesn’t really want her name attached to her face widely
> online before she’s graduated kindergarten (understandable, imo). I’ve
> told
> him to google all my pictures and see how they’re all labeled with “Aurora
> Celeste” and not my real name, but he’s worried that for some reason her
> legal name will need to be used because he signed a minor release form in
> that name. I told him the announcer’s form is a totally separate form and
> he shouldn’t be worried. Anyway, long story short, is there any
> possibility
> that I’m wrong and a reason her legal name would need to be used either by
> the announcer, on an entrant list, or in a gallery after the show?
> Also, is
> there any way to find out if there will be additional forms at the con
> that
> would need to be signed ahead of time like there was with Penny this year?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Aurora
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2302 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/29/2011
Subject: Re: Names on Photographs, etc

I always went by what was said onstage and connected last names in keyword
files. The keyword doesn’t show up, but a search will bring the person up.
Folks like Karen, with three different last names, or like Qeldas Pickett (I
think that’s her current name) are unfindable otherwise, if you want to see
all the photos. Heck, I’ve competed under Betsy Marks, Betsy Delaney, and
Betsy Marks Delaney. If we didn’t keyword these together, you’d only see a
third of what I’ve done at any given search (though the name Betsy is still
fairly rare in CC circles).

Aurora, I don’t think I posted your real name anywhere because you’ve never
used it anywhere, and I rather doubt either Karen or Nora have done so. You
could test and see what you get by Googling your name. Any search for Aurora
should bring up all your stuff – hence no cross-referencing needed. Not sure
if the same applies to your real name.

There wouldn’t be a Dragon and Dragonet or Animal X otherwise (though in her
faerie form she now goes by A~nima, which, AFAI, has never seen competition
stage). I know Animal’s real name and it may appear in early costume form if
she competed that way. In fact, I think she shows up under her real name in
the recent Resnick(?) gallery in the ICG Archives.

Never use her real name spoken onstage, and it should never show up.

Make sense?

-b

On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 8:30 AM, Bruce & Nora Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> **
>
>
> As far as the ICGallery is concerned:
> We frequently label photos with aliases (con names) on the Gallery. If
> known to us, we like to put the person’s real name in the keywords
> (non-visible) so folks who know them by that name can find them.
>
> Or vice-versa for some folks. We also put alternate names (maiden name,
> previous married names, etc.) for some folks as well.
>
> If someone were to specifically request to be “labelled” a certain way, we
> can absolutely accomodate that.
>
> Obviously I can’t speak for other websites.
>
> Nora
>
> — On Tue, 6/28/11, Aurora Celeste <auroraceleste@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Aurora Celeste <auroraceleste@gmail.com>
> Subject: [runacc] Names on Photographs, etc
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, June 28, 2011, 11:19 PM
>
>
> I’m trying to reassure my brother, so excuse the obvious. Next year I’m
> bringing my niece to costume con. She’s a costume diva and loves it when
> she gets new outfits, so we designed an entry for her. My mom will also be
> attending to help herd her. My brother is worried, though, about her
> online
> presence. He doesn’t really want her name attached to her face widely
> online before she’s graduated kindergarten (understandable, imo). I’ve
> told
> him to google all my pictures and see how they’re all labeled with “Aurora
> Celeste” and not my real name, but he’s worried that for some reason her
> legal name will need to be used because he signed a minor release form in
> that name. I told him the announcer’s form is a totally separate form and
> he shouldn’t be worried. Anyway, long story short, is there any
> possibility
> that I’m wrong and a reason her legal name would need to be used either by
> the announcer, on an entrant list, or in a gallery after the show? Also,
> is
> there any way to find out if there will be additional forms at the con that
> would need to be signed ahead of time like there was with Penny this year?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Aurora
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>




Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

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Group: runacc Message: 2303 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/30/2011
Subject: Re: Names on Photographs, etc

On 6/28/2011 9:19 PM, Aurora Celeste wrote:

> he’s worried that for some reason her
> legal name will need to be used because he signed a minor release form in
> that name.

Releases are held on file by the convention for liability purposes and
the photographer(s) for publication rights purposes. If nobody sues,
they never leave the file folders.

Photographers generally either don’t publish any notes with photos, it’s
more work than necessary. Convention, Costume-con and ICG archives
generally use the MC script or listen to a video to get published notes.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 2304 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair Date: 6/30/2011
Subject: Re: Questions for former con chairs.
We had a network storage failure; we’ve recovered the unit and I was
able to get to my contracts. I have not found the final move-in version;
I’m working off the version as signed.

CC26 took possession of all the rooms on Thursday at 8am (Convention
opened Friday). We had some dealers take advantage of this and move in
Thursday. We could also start our tech build on Thursday that way as
well. We started the installation of Sally’s big costume exhibit on
Thursday and completed it Friday morning, and we had most of the
signage, (banners) and the StarGate prop set up on Thursday as well.

We gave up a couple of the smaller function rooms on Sunday (11:59pm),
the ballrooms on Monday at 6pm and the final function rooms on Monday at
11:59pm, according to what I’ve found so far.

The con suite opened Thursday evening, and is where we held the dead dog
on Monday (which must mean we got to keep that one room longer).

There was no programming during the “big tent” events (Masquerades or
Future Fashion show); I asked Karen and she very specifically stated
that that was her preference.

We originally had plans for organizing possible tours both before and
after the convention. I believe that the way folk’s agendas fell out
that only the pre-convention tours actually gelled.

Hope that is of some help!
Kevin

 

Group: runacc Message: 2305 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/30/2011
Subject: Re: Names on Photographs, etc

We use running orders from the MDs as often as we can get them. Better chance of spelling something correctly then.

Nora

— On Wed, 6/29/11, Andrew Trembley <attrembl@bovil.com> wrote:

From: Andrew Trembley <attrembl@bovil.com>
Subject: Re: [runacc] Names on Photographs, etc
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 29, 2011, 11:40 PM

On 6/28/2011 9:19 PM, Aurora Celeste wrote:
> he’s worried that for some reason her
> legal name will need to be used because he signed a minor release form in
> that name.

Releases are held on file by the convention for liability purposes and
the photographer(s) for publication rights purposes. If nobody sues,
they never leave the file folders.

Photographers generally either don’t publish any notes with photos, it’s
more work than necessary. Convention, Costume-con and ICG archives
generally use the MC script or listen to a video to get published notes.

andy

————————————

View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo! Groups Links

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Group: runacc Message: 2306 From: Nora Date: 7/2/2011
Subject: CC30 Avenir Mode Folio
Bon matin, mes amis! Aujourd’hui est Juillet 1 et la date limite pour la Folio est Septembre 1, 2011.
Moins des deux mois pour finir le dessin.

What? You don’t speak French? Better learn because at this rate the Folio might be published that way. I have 63 entries so far & all but 2 are from Quebec.
Come on folks – rev up those pencils! What I’ve got is great but I want more!

Nora Mai
CC30 FFF Director

 

Group: runacc Message: 2307 From: Kaijugal . Date: 7/2/2011
Subject: Re: CC30 Avenir Mode Folio
LOL! French Fashion Folio is okay by me. XD
~Dawn

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: von_drago@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 11:40:44 +0000
Subject: [runacc] CC30 Avenir Mode Folio

Bon matin, mes amis! Aujourd’hui est Juillet 1 et la date limite pour la Folio est Septembre 1, 2011.

Moins des deux mois pour finir le dessin.

What? You don’t speak French? Better learn because at this rate the Folio might be published that way. I have 63 entries so far & all but 2 are from Quebec.

Come on folks � rev up those pencils! What I’ve got is great but I want more!

Nora Mai

CC30 FFF Director

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Group: runacc Message: 2308 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 7/2/2011
Subject: Re: Names on Photographs, etc

At 10:40 AM 6/30/2011, you wrote:

>
>
>We use running orders from the MDs as often as we can get them.
>Better chance of spelling something correctly then.
>
>Nora

Getting a running order is also preferable. We always honor
preferences for names. So long as she uses the alias on everything
except the release signature, that’s what we’ll see on lists or hear
on video and that’s what will appear online.

Pierre

>— On Wed, 6/29/11, Andrew Trembley
><<mailto:attrembl%40bovil.com>attrembl@bovil.com> wrote:
>
>From: Andrew Trembley <<mailto:attrembl%40bovil.com>attrembl@bovil.com>
>Subject: Re: [runacc] Names on Photographs, etc
>To: <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>runacc@yahoogroups.com
>Date: Wednesday, June 29, 2011, 11:40 PM
>
>On 6/28/2011 9:19 PM, Aurora Celeste wrote:
> > he’s worried that for some reason her
> > legal name will need to be used because he signed a minor release form in
> > that name.
>
>Releases are held on file by the convention for liability purposes and
>the photographer(s) for publication rights purposes. If nobody sues,
>they never leave the file folders.
>
>Photographers generally either don’t publish any notes with photos, it’s
>more work than necessary. Convention, Costume-con and ICG archives
>generally use the MC script or listen to a video to get published notes.
>
>andy
>
>————————————
>
>View the Document:
><http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo>http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo!
>Groups Links

International Costumers’ Guild Archivist

http://www.costume.org/gallery2/main.php

“Those Who Fail to Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly –
Why They Are Simply Doomed.”

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C. Y. 4971

Andromeda

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Group: runacc Message: 2309 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: Where’s the Costume-Con.com site?
Uhhh, it’s not out there at the moment. Has the server gone down or something?

 

Group: runacc Message: 2310 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: The CC FAQ, PDQ, OK? LOL!
Okay, enough of that.

It’s been awhile, but I figured I’d better get this out there soon. I created the following FAQ on the Cosplay.com forum. The idea was not only to answer any questions they had over there, but also to catch any other questions that I hadn’t thought of when I started. My proposal is to post this on the CC.com site (which, as I’ve already posted seems to be missing at the moment).

Everything You Wanted to Know About Costume-Con but Didn’t Know Who to Ask

How many people attend Costume-Con?
It varies from year to year, depending on where it’s held, but the average membership is between 225 – 300. You can see the approximate attendances here http://www.costume-con.org/gallery2/main.php and click on one of the pictures for that year.

Is this a media convention?
No. But you will see various media costumes.

What kinds of costuming will I see at Costume-Con?

Everything from science fiction to historical to wearable art and everything in between. The costumes will be of original design, as well as recreations from film, TV, comics, books, etc. If you click that link above, you’ll get an idea of the range, although there are no shots of costumes worn in the halls.

Will I look out of place if I’m not wearing a costume all the time?

Not at all! People are not always in costume, because they like dressing comfortably, too. Everyone is welcome, whether they make costumes or not. We also have people who almost never wear costumes, but enjoy our art form – photographers, backstage crew and videographers, just to name a few.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2311 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: FAQ pt. 2
I don’t make costumes. Are purchased ones okay?

Certainly. People are always encouraged to wear costumes in the halls, but only a certain percentage of an outfit – usually an accessory (shoes, hat, purse, etc.) is allowed in the competitions.

Everyone looks like they’re so much better than me! Why should I bother?

Practically no one starts out as a “great” costumer – they have had to work at their craft for many years. And they are always interested in learning new techniques, even from a beginner.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2312 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: CC FAQ pt. 3
Is Costume-Con run by the International Costumers Guild?

No, although most times, members of an ICG chapter make up a Costume-Con committee. Actually, any costume-minded organization may bid to host a Costume-Con. The details are here: http://www.costume-con.org/constitution.shtml

What kinds of subjects are taught in the panels?

Every conference is different, but they might be about dyeing techniques, wing construction, hat making, corset construction, mask making, prop making, beadwork, or even a study of different glues, just to name a few. It all depends on who attends a particular CC and what knowledge they have that they are willing to share.

Are people paid to speak or given a free membership?

No. Everyone volunteers their time. One of the major purposes of this conference is to share knowledge.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2313 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: FAQ pt 4
Is there a list or schedule of panels I can look at, to see if I’d be interested?

As the current conference date approaches, check their site for a schedule. Also, some past CCs still have their sites up and have published their pocket programs.

Why is Costume-Con so expensive to attend?

Actually, the starting pre-registered membership rates for Costume-Cons are competitive with most large science-fiction and anime conventions these days, and continue to be, until you walk in the door. The advantage with a Costume-Con is its focus – it’s all about costuming, all the time.

Are there any special guest celebrities?

Not as such, although there are occasionally costume industry or ethnic costume speakers.

What is the Friday Night Social and what happens at it?

It’s basically a themed party. It’s the first chance for the conference membership to mix casually, catch up with friends they see only once a year, and meet new people. There may be a cash bar available, and there are usually light snacks. While dressing for the theme is encouraged, any kind of costume is welcome. Activities In the past have included dances, drawings for prizes, etc.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2314 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: CC FAQ pt. 5
What is the “Con Suite”?

Hosted by the conference committee, it’s in a hotel suite where members can sit and chat, maybe do a little sewing and have a snack. Hours of operation vary, and should be published in the conference program book, but it is generally open most of the weekend, except during the shows. After the masquerades, there are parties sponsored by future Costume-Con committees. At other times of the day, there may be breakfasts, brunches or other foods sponsored by other groups like Guild chapters or regional conventions that have their own masquerades. (By the way, it is not advised to rely on the Suite for all your food, but if you can’t leave the hotel because you’re getting ready for a competition or a panel, it’s a good place to seek something to tide you over.)

I’m shy, and I’m afraid no one will talk to me. What should I do?

Believe it or not, a sizeable number of costumers are just as shy as you are. Sadly, some people interpret that as coming across as “snobbish”. The best way to strike up a conversation with a costumer is ask to take their picture, or ask them how they made some part of their outfit. They’ll be more than happy to tell you, and flattered that you noticed them. Many long friendships have started that way.

What kinds of costumes are typically entered in the Fantasy & Science Fiction Masquerade?

This is your opportunity to let your creativity run wild! There have been monsters, mascots, vampires, demons, fairies, superheroes, cartoon characters and historical figures that have crossed the stage. The show is limited only by what your imagination can come up with. To see the past masquerade entries, go here: http://www.costume-con.org/gallery2/main.php. The International Costumers Gallery – https://costume.pixi.me/main.php?g2_itemId=116 – also has records of past CCs.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2315 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: CC FAQ pt 6
Can I wear my competition costume in the halls before I go on stage?
Wearing a competition costume before it is seen on stage is generally discouraged for a couple of reasons. First, you deprive the audience the delight of a collective “ooo!” and “ahh!” over your fabulous work when you take your turn. Second, you could prejudice the masquerade judges ahead of time if they happen to see you in the halls or checking out the wares in the Dealers Room earlier in the day.

I’ve heard that the masquerades have “Tech Rehearsals”. What are those?

This is a scheduled time during the day before the masquerade for meeting with the technical crew who run the masquerade lights and sound. You will find the sign up sheet at the Masquerade Director’s registration table. Generally speaking, you get about 5 – 8 minutes to show the crew how you will enter, explain any light or music crews you may have, and they make notes about the colors of your costume so that it is lit in the best way possible. Your actual stage movement should already have been planned out. You will probably get one or two opportunities to run through your presentation, and then you will be done.

What is the Skill Division system?

The easiest way to explain is it’s a system for protecting those who have little to no experience in costume presentation and workmanship from having to compete with those who have costumed for many years. For more explanation, have a look at the ICG Guidelines for Ensuring Fairness in Competitions: http://www.costume.org/documents/fai…6-05-2006.html

 

Group: runacc Message: 2316 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: CC FAQ pt 7
How do I know at what level I should enter at?

If the aforementioned document still leaves you unsure, contact the Masquerade Director, and they will be more than happy to help you.

I’ve heard something referred to as the “Green Room”. What’s that for?

Just like a theatrical Green Room, it is a staging area where the competing costumers meet to put on their outfits in preparation for their presentations. The Green Room is traditionally open 2 hours or more before the beginning of the masquerade. You are checked in by the Green Room Manager, who will assign you to a “den” of costumers where you can rest in chairs and put a small prop on a table.

Last minute preparations are normal, but everyone is encourage to be considerate of their fellow costumers by not actually constructing pieces that take up large amounts of room. Usually, light snacks are available for nervous nibblers, is as water. A good Green Room will also provide hand fans to keep people cool.

Once you have most, if not all of your costume put on, you will have an informal photo taken of you for the presentations judges who will be seated in front of the stage. This will serve as a mnemonic for them during deliberations. Typically, Workmanship judging takes place in some corner of the Green Room.

Once your costume is completely put on and ready to show, you will have an official Masquerade Photo taken. It is not only a record of your creation, but you will have the opportunity to purchase copies of the photo and any others of your fellow costumers.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2317 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: CC FAQ pt 7
I’ve seen mention of something called a “Den Mom”. What’s that?

Den moms and den dads are Green Room volunteers who are there to assist the competitors with their last minute preparations like putting on a head piece, zipping up dresses, etc. Often, these volunteers are costumers themselves, or experienced back stage helpers. Usually, one den mom or dad is assigned to 4 – 5 costumers or entries. A good den mom or dad will monitor their charges, checking to make sure they stay comfortable by bringing them water, or a snack or keep them cool with a hand fan. They may also lead the costumer to their backstage position before going before the audience. Without den moms and dads, there would be a lot of uncomfortable competitors!

Workmanship judging sounds intimidating. How does that work, and why should I bother?

Everyone is encouraged to submit to Workmanship judging. The judges are there to look for something which they believe should receive recognition of excellence – not to find what you did wrong. You can submit your whole costume, or just one specific item that you are proud of. If you had to buy a particular accessory that you couldn’t make yourself, you should make that known to the judge(s).

The judging usually takes place in the Green Room before the masquerade, but sometimes continues while the show is in progress. Contestants are allowed a few minutes to explain how they made their costumes, and the judges may ask specific questions about a particular piece. As a courtesy to their fellow costumers, entrants should be considerate of the judges’ time constraints so that everyone has a chance to submit their works.

Do I need to have documentation for my costume? What format should it be in?

If you are recreating a costume from a media source, you are strongly encouraged to bring some sort of documentation. Not only does it prove your accuracy, but if the judge is not familiar with the source, it may be the only way to judge its veracity.

Documentation can be as simple as a photo or photos that show the costume from various angles, or if it is an interpretation from a book, then a photocopy of that source. It is also strongly encouraged to present the documentation in printed form, so that a judge can refer to it later, if needed. Keep in mind, the judges will most likely have only a few minutes to read through your documentation while making their decisions. You can get more specifics from the individual Masquerade Director as to what is acceptable.

Are there any cash prizes?

Nope. Your only rewards are possibly a rosette ribbon and the applause and admiration of your peers.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2318 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: CC FAQ pt 8
I’ve heard some guild chapters give out their own awards. What’s that about?

Often times, before the official masquerade awards are announced, some ICG Guild chapters will present their own award to an entry. These include, but are not limited to:

The “Spazzy”, given by the New York/New Jersey Costumers Guild for the best presentation of sick and twisted humor.

The “Slattern”, presented by the St. Louis Costumers Guild, for the person or persons they feel had the most fun on stage.

The “Cement Overshoes”, presented by the Chicagoland Costumers Guild, to the person they would like most to take a long walk off a short pier, so that they can take the costumer’s stuff.

Basically, it’s a way to say, “Hey, we like what you did!”

 

Group: runacc Message: 2319 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: CC FAQ pt 9
What is the Future Fashion Folio?

It’s a fashion design competition which is judged and printed (hopefully) months before Costume-Con. Once the Folio is published, attendees of the convention can reserve one of the designs, make it and wear it in the Future Fashion Show.

How do you submit designs?

Think up a fashion design that might be worn in the future. It could be a uniform, a bridal dress, work clothes, sportswear, business wear, etc. Put it on paper and send it either by mail or email. For more tips and specifics, visit the Alley Cat Scratch website and the current CC website.

Do I have to be a member of the convention to participate in the Future Fashion Folio?

No. Anyone can enter. Those designers who are selected for the publication will receive an electronic copy of the Folio.

How are the designs judged?
It depends on the convention. Some CCs use a panel of judges, while others have used a group panel of Guild chapter members.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2320 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: CC FAQ pt 10
How can I enter when I can’t/don’t draw?

No problem! Go here: for some croquis (figure blank) that you can trace over with your fashion designs.

Will it be published online?

No.

Can I make up someone’s design, even though I can’t go to CC this year?
Ethically, you should seek permission from the designer.

Can I make up more than one design?

Yes, but ordinarily, you are only allowed to appear on stage in one design. You may, however, have someone model one of your others for you.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2321 From: Byron Connell Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: Re: The CC FAQ, PDQ, OK? LOL!

Good start!

Byron

On Jul 28, 2011, at 9:53 PM, Bruce wrote:

> Okay, enough of that.
>
> It’s been awhile, but I figured I’d better get this out there soon. I created the following FAQ on the Cosplay.com forum. The idea was not only to answer any questions they had over there, but also to catch any other questions that I hadn’t thought of when I started. My proposal is to post this on the CC.com site (which, as I’ve already posted seems to be missing at the moment).
>
> Everything You Wanted to Know About Costume-Con but Didn’t Know Who to Ask
>
> How many people attend Costume-Con?
> It varies from year to year, depending on where it’s held, but the average membership is between 225 � 300. You can see the approximate attendances here http://www.costume-con.org/gallery2/main.php and click on one of the pictures for that year.
>
> Is this a media convention?
> No. But you will see various media costumes.
>
> What kinds of costuming will I see at Costume-Con?
>
> Everything from science fiction to historical to wearable art and everything in between. The costumes will be of original design, as well as recreations from film, TV, comics, books, etc. If you click that link above, you’ll get an idea of the range, although there are no shots of costumes worn in the halls.
>
> Will I look out of place if I’m not wearing a costume all the time?
>
> Not at all! People are not always in costume, because they like dressing comfortably, too. Everyone is welcome, whether they make costumes or not. We also have people who almost never wear costumes, but enjoy our art form � photographers, backstage crew and videographers, just to name a few.
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2322 From: Byron Connell Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: Re: CC FAQ pt. 3

Under subjects, you might want to say something like “SF, fantasy, media, historical, and other types of costume.”

Byron

On Jul 28, 2011, at 9:56 PM, Bruce wrote:

> Is Costume-Con run by the International Costumers Guild?
>
> No, although most times, members of an ICG chapter make up a Costume-Con committee. Actually, any costume-minded organization may bid to host a Costume-Con. The details are here: http://www.costume-con.org/constitution.shtml
>
> What kinds of subjects are taught in the panels?
>
> Every conference is different, but they might be about dyeing techniques, wing construction, hat making, corset construction, mask making, prop making, beadwork, or even a study of different glues, just to name a few. It all depends on who attends a particular CC and what knowledge they have that they are willing to share.
>
> Are people paid to speak or given a free membership?
>
> No. Everyone volunteers their time. One of the major purposes of this conference is to share knowledge.
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2323 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: CC FAQ pt 11
What happens in the Future Fashion Show?

The format varies, but basically, it’s an informal fashion show. A picture of the design is projected on a screen while you walk on stage and a brief description is read from the Folio. It’s a much more relaxed event, with less emphasis on competition.

Are there awards?

Traditionally, there are two awards: one for the Best Recreation Made by the Designer, and Best Recreation by a Non-Designer.

What is the Single Pattern competition?

One or more (mostly) readily acquirable commercial patterns are selected to be made up. The competition is in the decoration, alteration and fabric selection for the pattern. Previous patterns used have been the Tibetan Panel Coat, vests, Drovers Coats, tuxedos and others.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2324 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: CC FAQ pt 12
Are there any other competitions?

Ordinarily, there is the Doll Costume contest. There have also been other competitions making and decorating hats, bras, and even – codpieces! It differs from one conference to the next.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2325 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: CC FAQ pt 13
What is the Historical Masquerade?

The Historical Masquerade showcases the history of clothing, which includes, but is not limited to, any one culture, period, or type of dress. It highlights creativity, scholarship, stage presentation, and workmanship skills in the context of historical clothing. There is some variance of what qualifies as “Historical Clothing”, but generally speaking, it is understood as something that would have been in fashion before the birth year of the entrant.

Each Costume-Con Historical Masquerade may be run slightly differently, but the usual entry categories are:
Theatrical Costume, Historical Dress and Historical Interpretation. Ethnic dress is another category that is not as restrictive, and can be either historical or modern day. There might be others.

Like the Science Fiction masquerade, entries are judged for Presentation and Workmanship. Since the Historical Masquerade traditionally takes place on Sunday evening, workmanship judging usually takes place during the day. Each convention is different in how it is handled – sometimes, the entrant comes in costume to a judging room and shows what they have done. At other conventions, the judges can come to the entrants hotel room, which many find more convenient and less stressful.

The third category for judging is Documentation. The format of the documentation doesn’t have to be term paper-dry – it is only limited by one’s creativity. The main purpose of documentation is to demonstrate the entrant’s knowledge of the outfit they will be presenting on stage. (This is also submitted prior to Workmanship judging).

For more information on judging, documentation creation, etc., contact the standing committee Historical Masquerade Director.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2326 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: CC FAQ pt 14 – the last
Can my parents/friends/etc. come to see the shows?

Check with the conference committee – usually, there are accommodations for selling event tickets for the various masquerades.

I’ve heard there are no activities/panels scheduled opposite the shows. Why is that?
Everyone is either in one of the shows or watching them!

What kinds of things are sold in the Dealers Room?
It differs from year to year, but usually it is a mix of beading materials, costume accessories, costume-related books, hard to find patterns and jewelry.

This is supposed to be a 4 day conference. Why should I stay through Monday?

While programming is not all day, there are still things to do both at the conference and outside it. There are the panels, workshops and costume video presentations by the ICG Archives. Usually, there are opportunities for both guided and self-guided tours of the host city. Sometimes, conference members organize their own trips and activities. And at the end of the day, they all meet one more time in the Con Suite for the “Dead Dog Party”. It’s the last opportunity to relax and socialize before everyone makes their way home.

I’d like to volunteer. Who should I contact?

Check the website of the CC you want to help out with and contact the committee person in charge. They will gratefully accept any assistance in areas like Registration, stage ninjas, den moms, exhibits and other areas. Or, ask at Registration when you arrive.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2327 From: Byron Connell Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: Re: FAQ pt 4

Under cost, we are more expensive and should explain why. You might note that membership includes the cost of receiving the FFF, which is not found at SF or other types of cons. If there are there other things unique to a CC, they ought to be mentioned.

Byron

On Jul 28, 2011, at 9:58 PM, Bruce wrote:

> Is there a list or schedule of panels I can look at, to see if I’d be interested?
>
> As the current conference date approaches, check their site for a schedule. Also, some past CCs still have their sites up and have published their pocket programs.
>
>
> Why is Costume-Con so expensive to attend?
>
> Actually, the starting pre-registered membership rates for Costume-Cons are competitive with most large science-fiction and anime conventions these days, and continue to be, until you walk in the door. The advantage with a Costume-Con is its focus � it’s all about costuming, all the time.
>
> Are there any special guest celebrities?
>
> Not as such, although there are occasionally costume industry or ethnic costume speakers.
>
> What is the Friday Night Social and what happens at it?
>
> It’s basically a themed party. It’s the first chance for the conference membership to mix casually, catch up with friends they see only once a year, and meet new people. There may be a cash bar available, and there are usually light snacks. While dressing for the theme is encouraged, any kind of costume is welcome. Activities In the past have included dances, drawings for prizes, etc.
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2328 From: Byron Connell Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: Re: CC FAQ pt. 5

Maybe you should lead off the FAQ with the “I’m shy” item.

Byron

On Jul 28, 2011, at 10:04 PM, Bruce wrote:

> What is the “Con Suite”?
>
> Hosted by the conference committee, it’s in a hotel suite where members can sit and chat, maybe do a little sewing and have a snack. Hours of operation vary, and should be published in the conference program book, but it is generally open most of the weekend, except during the shows. After the masquerades, there are parties sponsored by future Costume-Con committees. At other times of the day, there may be breakfasts, brunches or other foods sponsored by other groups like Guild chapters or regional conventions that have their own masquerades. (By the way, it is not advised to rely on the Suite for all your food, but if you can’t leave the hotel because you’re getting ready for a competition or a panel, it’s a good place to seek something to tide you over.)
>
> I’m shy, and I’m afraid no one will talk to me. What should I do?
>
> Believe it or not, a sizeable number of costumers are just as shy as you are. Sadly, some people interpret that as coming across as “snobbish”. The best way to strike up a conversation with a costumer is ask to take their picture, or ask them how they made some part of their outfit. They’ll be more than happy to tell you, and flattered that you noticed them. Many long friendships have started that way.
>
> What kinds of costumes are typically entered in the Fantasy & Science Fiction Masquerade?
>
> This is your opportunity to let your creativity run wild! There have been monsters, mascots, vampires, demons, fairies, superheroes, cartoon characters and historical figures that have crossed the stage. The show is limited only by what your imagination can come up with. To see the past masquerade entries, go here: http://www.costume-con.org/gallery2/main.php. The International Costumers Gallery – https://costume.pixi.me/main.php?g2_itemId=116 – also has records of past CCs.
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2329 From: Byron Connell Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: Re: CC FAQ pt 7

You need to split the workmanship judging item into separate responses for SF masquerades and historical masquerades. Workmanship judging normally is not optional for a historical masquerade and usually occurs before the entrants come to the green room. Documentation also is mandatory. For a historical masquerade, you might want to note the difference between historical dress (from the skin out) and historical interpretation (“medieval velcro”).

Byron

On Jul 28, 2011, at 10:15 PM, Bruce wrote:

> I’ve seen mention of something called a “Den Mom”. What’s that?
>
> Den moms and den dads are Green Room volunteers who are there to assist the competitors with their last minute preparations like putting on a head piece, zipping up dresses, etc. Often, these volunteers are costumers themselves, or experienced back stage helpers. Usually, one den mom or dad is assigned to 4 � 5 costumers or entries. A good den mom or dad will monitor their charges, checking to make sure they stay comfortable by bringing them water, or a snack or keep them cool with a hand fan. They may also lead the costumer to their backstage position before going before the audience. Without den moms and dads, there would be a lot of uncomfortable competitors!
>
> Workmanship judging sounds intimidating. How does that work, and why should I bother?
>
> Everyone is encouraged to submit to Workmanship judging. The judges are there to look for something which they believe should receive recognition of excellence � not to find what you did wrong. You can submit your whole costume, or just one specific item that you are proud of. If you had to buy a particular accessory that you couldn’t make yourself, you should make that known to the judge(s).
>
> The judging usually takes place in the Green Room before the masquerade, but sometimes continues while the show is in progress. Contestants are allowed a few minutes to explain how they made their costumes, and the judges may ask specific questions about a particular piece. As a courtesy to their fellow costumers, entrants should be considerate of the judges’ time constraints so that everyone has a chance to submit their works.
>
> Do I need to have documentation for my costume? What format should it be in?
>
> If you are recreating a costume from a media source, you are strongly encouraged to bring some sort of documentation. Not only does it prove your accuracy, but if the judge is not familiar with the source, it may be the only way to judge its veracity.
>
> Documentation can be as simple as a photo or photos that show the costume from various angles, or if it is an interpretation from a book, then a photocopy of that source. It is also strongly encouraged to present the documentation in printed form, so that a judge can refer to it later, if needed. Keep in mind, the judges will most likely have only a few minutes to read through your documentation while making their decisions. You can get more specifics from the individual Masquerade Director as to what is acceptable.
>
> Are there any cash prizes?
>
> Nope. Your only rewards are possibly a rosette ribbon and the applause and admiration of your peers.
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2330 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: Re: CC FAQ pt 6

On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:07 PM, Bruce <casamai@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>
> I’ve heard that the masquerades have “Tech Rehearsals”. What are those?
>
> This is a scheduled time during the day before the masquerade for meeting
> with the technical crew who run the masquerade lights and sound. You will
> find the sign up sheet at the Masquerade Director’s registration table.
> Generally speaking, you get about 5 � 8 minutes to show the crew how you
> will enter, explain any light or music crews you may have, and they make
> notes about the colors of your costume so that it is lit in the best way
> possible. Your actual stage movement should already have been planned out.
> You will probably get one or two opportunities to run through your
> presentation, and then you will be done.
>
>
> There’s a bit of a technical problem with this question (explain any light

or music crews you may have?), and I’d mention that it is encouraged to
bring your costume so they can light it to your best advantage.

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Group: runacc Message: 2331 From: Byron Connell Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: Re: CC FAQ pt 13

Theatrical costume was unique to CC 29. Ethnic dress is the usual alternative to either historical dress or historical interpretation.

I suggest you say that judging is based on (1) workmanship, (2) documentation, and (3) stage presentation and that awards may be given in each category, as well as for the entry as a whole.

This could be another place to mention the difference between “from the skin out” and medieval velcro.”

Byron

On Jul 28, 2011, at 10:28 PM, Bruce wrote:

> What is the Historical Masquerade?
>
> The Historical Masquerade showcases the history of clothing, which includes, but is not limited to, any one culture, period, or type of dress. It highlights creativity, scholarship, stage presentation, and workmanship skills in the context of historical clothing. There is some variance of what qualifies as “Historical Clothing”, but generally speaking, it is understood as something that would have been in fashion before the birth year of the entrant.
>
> Each Costume-Con Historical Masquerade may be run slightly differently, but the usual entry categories are:
> Theatrical Costume, Historical Dress and Historical Interpretation. Ethnic dress is another category that is not as restrictive, and can be either historical or modern day. There might be others.
>
> Like the Science Fiction masquerade, entries are judged for Presentation and Workmanship. Since the Historical Masquerade traditionally takes place on Sunday evening, workmanship judging usually takes place during the day. Each convention is different in how it is handled � sometimes, the entrant comes in costume to a judging room and shows what they have done. At other conventions, the judges can come to the entrants hotel room, which many find more convenient and less stressful.
>
> The third category for judging is Documentation. The format of the documentation doesn’t have to be term paper-dry � it is only limited by one’s creativity. The main purpose of documentation is to demonstrate the entrant’s knowledge of the outfit they will be presenting on stage. (This is also submitted prior to Workmanship judging).
>
> For more information on judging, documentation creation, etc., contact the standing committee Historical Masquerade Director.
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2332 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 7/29/2011
Subject: Must have been temporary
Costume-Con.com came right up when I looked just now. The whole internet has
been weird lately.

YMMV.

-b




Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

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Group: runacc Message: 2333 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 7/29/2011
Subject: Re: CC FAQ’s
Some of these will come in handy for masquerades at other conventions!

Thanks for the list!

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2334 From: Byron Connell Date: 7/29/2011
Subject: Re: Must have been temporary

What must have been temporary?

Byron

On Jul 29, 2011, at 8:18 AM, Betsy Delaney wrote:

> Costume-Con.com came right up when I looked just now. The whole internet has
> been weird lately.
>
> YMMV.
>
> -b
>
> —
> —
> —
> Betsy Marks Delaney
>
> http://www.hawkeswood.com/
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2335 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/29/2011
Subject: Re: Must have been temporary
Sure enough. Now, the countdown thing needs to be reset and pointed to
CC30.

Bruce

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Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 7:19 AM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: [runacc] Must have been temporary

Costume-Con.com came right up when I looked just now. The whole internet has
been weird lately.

YMMV.

-b




Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

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Group: runacc Message: 2336 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 7/30/2011
Subject: Temporary Costume-Con.com outage
Hi, Byron!

At the very top of the FAQ messages (which all, thankfully, came in one easy
to read digest), Bruce reported a web site outage. When I checked, the site
was back again. It happens from time to time. If it’s down for more than a
couple of hours, I report it to the hosting company. Otherwise, I just check
back in a couple of hours. Since I used to be on the receiving end of calls
like those, I tend to give the hosts a lot more slack than I used to.

YMMV.

Good job, by the way, Bruce!

I have some edit suggestions, but I’ve got three really big things that have
to be dealt with in the next couple of weeks. When you’ve gotten enough
feedback to adjust or add, would you resend the file, maybe in one piece?
I’d be happy to review and comment.

Thanks!

Betsy




Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

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Group: runacc Message: 2337 From: Tina Connell Date: 7/31/2011
Subject: Old FAQs
Way back at CC 18, I created a FAQ sheet for newbies. Of course, back then
we didn’t have all the new anime, etc. groups to welcome to our fold that we
do now, and the tech requirements have changed somewhat, but the overall
seems to hold up pretty well.

Tina

*Frequently Asked Questions: A brief primer for the new (and not-so-new)
costumer*
*

I’m new to this. I feel really nervous about…
*** *

… appearing in costume on stage.
*

A: We all had to start sometime. Yes, it can be scary going up on stage the
first few times. Probably, every person you see up there felt that way at
first (some of them who have been doing costumes for years *still* feel that
way), but try to remember that you’re among friends at this convention.
*

… talking to these strangers in costume, talking to experienced costumers
who may look down on me as a newbie, etc.
*

A: Costume fans are one of the friendliest groups of people around. Most of
them love to talk to other people about costuming and costumes, especially
their own costumes. On the other hand, don’t decide that someone is
terminally stuck-up if they don’t want to talk to you just then: they may be
on a serious sleep deficit, need caffeine or food desperately, be jet-lagged
and not feeling very functional, or they may just be really, seriously,
nervous about their presentation a bit later in the con and have a major set
of butterflies distracting them. Just as you sometimes don’t feel like
talking to people, you may also be catching the other person at a bad time.
*

… competing against more experienced costumers.
*

A: This is why the *Division system*** was created. What is the Division
system, you may ask? It is a means of separating the new or inexperienced
costumers from the more experienced costumers, *for purposes of judging*.
The judges (and audience) will recognize that a Novice costumer is likely to
have less experience, and (in some cases) less well honed skills than a
Journeyman, Craftsman, or Master costumer. Novices are judged in relation to
other Novices, Journeymen in relation to Journeymen, and so forth. A Novice
costume is *not* an inferior costume — on a number of occasions, Novice
costumes have won Best In Show, over costumes made and presented by
experienced Masters.
*

What do all of these things regarding the Masquerades/Competitions mean?
**

What is the tech (technical) rehearsal and why do I have to go to it?:
*

A: The *tech rehearsal*** is *very important* to you. At many larger
conventions, and *definitely* at WorldCon or Costume-Con, it is required for
all entrants. It ensures that you actually see the stage you will be
appearing on. Hopefully, you will also

A*walk*@ the stage, as well. If you have a “feel” for the space you will
have available, your presentation will look better, and you are less likely
to fall off the front, back or side of the stage — this is also a safety
factor.

The *”tech” crew*** *really* want to make you look good on stage.
Unfortunately, this is harder if they have no idea what you have in mind. By
going to the tech rehearsal, you will have a chance to explain to them what
you want to do in terms of sound (if you brought a sound effects tape),
lighting, and any other special effects they may have available. They may
even make suggestions that could make your costume or presentation look
better.

The *MC (Master of Ceremonies***/Narrator), who will be announcing your
costume, will also be there. You will have a chance to talk to him or her
about your presentation. If your costume introduction text has any exotic
words in it, you should plan to spell them out phonetically for the MC. Any
text you want read should be CLEARLY printed or typed.

Above all, no matter how much you want to surprise the audience and your
fellow costumers, *never*, *ever***, surprise the *masquerade director***.
He or she will not divulge anything about your planned presentation, but the
director needs to know about anything that may be unusual or potentially
unsafe. This includes things like flash powder, smoke bombs, fog machines,
stuff you plan to throw around on the stage, etc., as well as any unusual
props (accessories) or weapons, or unusual moves (such as leaping off the
stage). *Note*: throwing objects out at the judges and audience is a no-no!
*

What is the Green Room?
*

A: The Green Room is the backstage area where the contestants gather as they
prepare to go on stage. Check-in time usually is at least two hours before
the expected curtain time. The costumers can finish getting into their
costumes (if they haven

=t already done so in their rooms), test their props one last time, and
maybe put on or touch up their makeup. Contestants should *not*** bring
friends or family members (especially children) backstage, unless they are
also going to be on stage B the Green Room is chaotic enough as it is
without non-contestants milling about! Contestants are grouped in “dens,”
with a Den Mom or Den Dad, who helps the costumers in his or her group. This
may include helping you get into your costume, trying to calm jittery
nerves, fetching water/snacks for you if your costume is bulky or awkward to
get around in, and generally doing his/her best to make sure you are ready
to go on stage and look great! The *Green Room Manager*** is the overall
backstage person who keeps the chaos from getting out of hand. He or she
keeps track of which costumes have checked in (or not checked in yet), and
makes sure that the “dens” go up on stage in the proper sequence.

Also customary in the Green Room (at least at larger conventions) is a
Repair Table. It offers basic equipment to effect repairs to a costume which
has developed problems. It is not there for the purpose of
building/assembling/creating your costume — *it is only for repairs*.
Typically, the repair table offers needles, threads of various colors,
safety pins, bobby pins, hot glue guns, small hand tools such as pliers,
adhesives, tapes, string and wire, etc., and may also include a makeup
mirror and some basic makeup repair materials (again, this is for repairs or
touch-ups, not to create a full makeup job). For

(Over

)

health/sanitary reasons, you should plan to bring your own special colors of
lipstick and eye makeup. Sometimes the repair table person will have some
experience with stage makeup, but you cannot rely upon this for sure. Please
note: the equipment and supplies on the repair table are usually the *personal
property* of the person at the repair table, who has kindly donated the use
of them to the con; you should make every effort to return tools, etc. when
you are finished using them.
*

Stage
**

Aninjas@
**

*

will help you get on and off of the stage safely. If you hear someone out
there in the dark say *ASTOP!@*, or feel a slap on your leg or ankle as you
are about to leave the stage, you should *stop***. It probably means that
you aren=t lined up for the stairs and were about to fall off the stage,
because the lights were in your eyes. When you walk the stage during tech
rehearsal, check to see about how many steps you can take forward (or
backward) safely.
*

What is Workmanship Judging? Do I have to be judged for Workmanship?
*

A: The *workmanship judge* does exactly that. He or she gets “up close and
personal,” looking at the special details, such as applique, beadwork,
leather or metalwork, special design and construction of interest, and the
many other facets that comprise *superior*** workmanship on a costume. You
do not have to present yourself to the workmanship judge. However, if there
is some aspect of your costume that you feel exhibits special workmanship or
ingenuity on your part, this is your opportunity to have it recognized. You
do not need to have your entire costume judged for workmanship — you may
elect to have just a tiny facet of your costume judged — a beaded bodice, a
lovingly-hand-hammered breastplate, the cleverly designed mechanism you
invented to make your wings open and close, or the gloves or shoes you made
from scratch. If your costume is held together with spit and baling wire,
don’t even consider it! If there are bits of detail you are really proud of,
you definitely should give workmanship judging serious consideration.
*

What should I do about a sound track?
*

A: Hopefully, you already gave this some thought before you arrived at the
con. The perfect bit of music can help to “make” a so-so costume, just as a
poor choice of music can be jarring and may detract from an otherwise great
presentation. Preferably, your sound should be on tape, not CD, for ease of
cueing. It should not be recorded in “stereo” (right side different from
left side), as the sound system available may not be able to play both

Atracks@ — you might end up with a vital bit of your sound un-played. It
should be *clearly labeled* with your name and your costume’s title. It
should also be labeled “right side” and “wrong side”, so the tech knows
which side of the tape has your sound on — there=s nothing worse than going
out on stage expecting music or voice-over, only to find that your tape got
put in upside down because of poor labeling. (The easiest way to avoid this
is to record your sound on both sides of the tape.) The tape you hand in to
the masquerade director should be already cued-up (on the Aright@ side) to
the point at which you want it to start. It is best to start with a clean
tape, rather than taping over an old one (which could lead to embarrassing
bits of inappropriate sound-track). Put on it just what you need for your
presentation, rather than an entire song/piece of music, to also ensure that
what you *want* will be played. If your tape is properly labeled, it should
be easy to get it back to you after the masquerade. If you didn’t bring a
tape with you, sometimes “tech” can help you out — frequently, they have a
variety of suitable sound bits that they can play, if you work with them
(see “Tech Rehearsal,” above).
*

What’s all this about “Presentation”?
*

A: How you look and move on stage helps you show your costume to the
audience and judges, and helps to convey the costume

=s mood or story. Yes, you can just walk on stage, and then walk off the
other side, but this won=t show off the work you put into your costume (see
also, Tech Rehearsal – walking the stage). Your movements on stage should be
planned to let the judges and audience see the back of the costume as well
as the front, and show off any special decoration or details. At the very
least, plan to move in a circle on stage, to show the back and sides of your
costume as well as the front. Stay in character: if you’re a warrior, stomp;
if you’re a princess, be regal; if you=re a cat, slink and prowl. Your
movements will set the tone of your costume. Think of it as Amethod
acting.@One more thing — remember that the judges are sitting with
their eyes at
about the level of your ankles or knees B don=t forget to hem your costume
and wear appropriate footgear.
*

Why is there a time limit on stage?
*

A: It may not seem like it, but when you

=re up there on stage, a minute is a LOOONNNGGG time! Unless you have a
sizable group, it only takes half or three-quarters of a minute to do a
little Astage business@ and go off. The longer you stay on stage, the better
a Astory@ you should have your costume and presentation tell; if you bore
the audience/judges, you lose them. Dances or martial arts displays that go
on *forever* are booorrring! One of the sayings in costume fandom is Ashort
is good; funny is better; short and funny is best.@ While that isn=t always
the case (there are plenty of serious costumes), it does express the general
idea.
*

I just saw someone walk up to another costumer and say
**

AI hate you!!@ That doesn=t sound very friendly to me!
*

A: It may seem strange, but that phrase is one of the ultimate accolades in
costume fandom, along with

AYou=re *despicable*!!@ What it really means is AYou=ve got a killer costume
that I can=t possibly win against, and I should be jealous, but it=s SO
great that I love it!@ Costumers enjoy and respect a great costume and great
workmanship, even when it=s not their own B that=s what this is all about!

NOW, most important of all, go out and have FUN!!! Oh, and *don*

*=t forget to eat something and get some sleep!!*

**

*(Pasting this in seems to have introduced a couple of strange line breaks
that weren’t originally there — Tina)*
**
**

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Group: runacc Message: 2338 From: Nora Date: 8/1/2011
Subject: CC30 Nächster Mode Folioblatt
CC30 Nächster Mode Folioblatt
Guten abend, meine lieben Freunde! Heute ist 1. August und der termin für die Folio verbleiben 1. September 2011. Weniger als einen monat links bekommen die skizzen in!

For those of you who don’t speak German (like me, as you can tell) there’s only one month remaining to get those Folio sketches in – the deadline is September 1, 2011.

I’ve got just over 100 submissions so far – Yeah! But we all know I’m greedy, so more, more more!

Click on the link: http://costumecon30.com/folio.php for all the rules, regs & helpful hints!

Nora Mai
CC30 FFF Director

 

Group: runacc Message: 2339 From: Nora Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: One week! One week! One week!
OMG – the deadline for the Costume-Con 30 Future Fashion Folio is September 1, 2011.
And that’s only one week away. Thank the ghods you can email your submissions, right?

It’s not too late – click on the link: http://costumecon30.com/folio.php for all the rules, regs & helpful hints!

Nora Mai
CC30 FFF Director

 

Group: runacc Message: 2340 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 8/31/2011
Subject: CC site countdown clock
Ummm, is there some way, or someone that has access to that countdown clock?
First of all, it still says CC29, and second, it’s counting UP. Kinda
silly, really.

Bruce

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Group: runacc Message: 2341 From: Elaine Mami Date: 8/31/2011
Subject: Re: CC site countdown clock
That site is a mystery to me, too.Dora or Sandy, how did you folks get those sites corrected?

Elaine Nil significat nisi oscillat!

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: casamai@sbcglobal.net
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 06:13:28 -0500
Subject: [runacc] CC site countdown clock

Ummm, is there some way, or someone that has access to that countdown clock?

First of all, it still says CC29, and second, it’s counting UP. Kinda

silly, really.

Bruce

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Group: runacc Message: 2342 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 9/15/2011
Subject: A different kind of CC promotion idea
I think Maral posted this on FB a little while back:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3Q3ShwHrJw Really good stuff and
professional-looking. I’m wondering if we could find someone to give us the
same treatment? I could probably do it, if I had the equipment, but it
would take me a while to gear up, come up with an idea, etc. Not to
mention, this guy uses copyrighted music that has a disclaimer with each
one, but I have been leery about that for obvious reasons.

Would it work with our crowd?

Bruce

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Group: runacc Message: 2343 From: Martin Gear Date: 9/15/2011
Subject: Re: A different kind of CC promotion idea

Regarding the disclaimer –
He doesn’t have a legal leg to stand on, and given ASCAP’s current
policies I wouldn’t want to be in a position to be sued by them.
Marty

On 9/15/2011 9:45 PM, Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:
>
> I think Maral posted this on FB a little while back:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3Q3ShwHrJw Really good stuff and
> professional-looking. I’m wondering if we could find someone to give
> us the
> same treatment? I could probably do it, if I had the equipment, but it
> would take me a while to gear up, come up with an idea, etc. Not to
> mention, this guy uses copyrighted music that has a disclaimer with each
> one, but I have been leery about that for obvious reasons.
>
> Would it work with our crowd?
>
> Bruce
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2344 From: Kaijugal . Date: 9/15/2011
Subject: Re: A different kind of CC promotion idea
There are numerous, undiscovered, independent, artists who lend their work to these type of projects.

Ackson Lee, a local video maker here, has many great videos with these types of artists.
Example from Otakuthon in Montreal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xoEuvQrZtc

It could be an option.
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: casamai@sbcglobal.net
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 20:45:11 -0500
Subject: [runacc] A different kind of CC promotion idea

I think Maral posted this on FB a little while back:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3Q3ShwHrJw Really good stuff and

professional-looking. I’m wondering if we could find someone to give us the

same treatment? I could probably do it, if I had the equipment, but it

would take me a while to gear up, come up with an idea, etc. Not to

mention, this guy uses copyrighted music that has a disclaimer with each

one, but I have been leery about that for obvious reasons.

Would it work with our crowd?

Bruce

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Group: runacc Message: 2345 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 9/15/2011
Subject: Re: A different kind of CC promotion idea

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Nora & Bruce Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> I think Maral posted this on FB a little while back:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3Q3ShwHrJw Really good stuff and
> professional-looking. I’m wondering if we could find someone to give us
> the
> same treatment? I could probably do it, if I had the equipment, but it
> would take me a while to gear up, come up with an idea, etc. Not to
> mention, this guy uses copyrighted music that has a disclaimer with each
> one, but I have been leery about that for obvious reasons.
>
>
> Would it work with our crowd?
>
>
> Bruce
>
>

I don’t think it would hurt. It may not work as well if it doesn’t have at
least a few easily recognizable characters in it, though. That said, I love
the two examples posted, although they both had some skin-tastic costumes
they seemed to focus on costumes and faces and not T&A.

I have seriously toyed with filming a series of informative shorts at a
costume con one of these years to be kinda like a video Q&A for all the
unique things about a Costume Con: This is the Historical Masquerade, This
is the Future Fashion Show, etc. If I did that I’d also really try to do a
short retrospective on some CC history, ICG History, and
memories/recollections of costumers past for retrospectives. I think both
would be really worthwhile.

If I had a camera . . . and time 😛

I don’t think copyrighted music would be as big of a problem, there are
plenty of fandom-friendly bands we could hit up.

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Group: runacc Message: 2346 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 9/16/2011
Subject: Re: A different kind of CC promotion idea
The London 2014 WorldCon bid has done a commercial

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0P2I2R70-o

Michael

 

Group: runacc Message: 2347 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 9/17/2011
Subject: Re: A different kind of CC promotion idea

Aurora:

I’ve had some identical ideas to those you’ve mentioned. I’m gearing up
some of them now. My background from many, many years ago was in
broadcasting. So this kind of work is up my alley. I’ll be doing a lot of
productions in the next few years once I’ve got the majority of Archive
material ripped out to usable clips, but I’m open to more ideas and willing
to work with you on something. I’m already working on a informative promo
for CC30, a special retrospective to be shown (hopefully) before the SF masq
and a few other things for the future.

If the music sources Dawn and Aurora have mentioned are any indicator, then
there’s plenty of opportunity, although I wouldn’t even know where to start
on that score. I got a note back from the guy who did the DC vid, and he
acknowledged there’s not copyright protection. But, not surprisingly, when
you’re a low-traffic poster, you’re under the radar pretty much, and I
believe the first step is when a company complains to Youtube, they take you
down. <Shrug>. With my Archive work so far, I’m relying on royalty-free
music from a site that I donate money to. The guy also does commissions on
a sliding scale. I don’t know if he can put out the kind of music in the
anime vids or not, but I’m sure he’d give it a go.

As to the wider discussion of promotion, here’s more grist for the mill in
regards to music videos:

1. I think the audience target would be somewhat different, since our
community is made up of all ages. First question would be: Are we (the
community) “hip” enough, since this still would be targeted towards a
young(ish) online “market”? We have a good number of younger costumers, and
are attracting more, but there are a lot of us baby-boomers.

2. The approach would have to be somewhat different, because many costumes
at CC are of original design. That would affect the music choice,
certainly. And, the biggest appeal to those who consume the vids is
identifying their favorite characters brought to life. So we would have to
figure out how to “glamorize” (for lack of a better term) our costumers in a
way so that they have their own appeal. I like how, in the vid I posted,
there’s a little interaction between characters – the Harry Potter group is
a prime example. Most times, production is more like video portraits,
though. I would think our folks would need to do a little more shtick,
rather than be static.

3. I just wrote that vid guy back, questioning how he corrals that many
people for a shoot. Knowing how notoriously difficult it is to herd
costumer “cats”, nailing people down could be extraordinarily difficult.

4. The best way to see to get the kinds of shots needed, other than taking
people outside, might be to have a stage(d) approach instead. In other
words, shoot everything on stage. Not the most exciting background, but
some of that could be overcome by direction and camera angles. I’m sure
there are plenty of videos of, oh, say, fashion shows that could give cues
as to how to shoot. Maybe there are some anime con vids out there that do
that – I haven’t seen enough to really know, yet. I have an idea in my
head of one way to shoot a vid like this, but it would help to know what
people are bringing, ahead of time. But, it could also work through
creative improvisation, too. Kind of an interactive photo line, where each
entry briefly acknowledges the other as they enter or exit the stage.

Thoughts?

Bruce

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Aurora Celeste
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 10:12 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] A different kind of CC promotion idea

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Nora & Bruce Mai
<casamai@sbcglobal.net>wrote:

>

I don’t think it would hurt. It may not work as well if it doesn’t have at
least a few easily recognizable characters in it, though. That said, I love
the two examples posted, although they both had some skin-tastic costumes
they seemed to focus on costumes and faces and not T&A.

I have seriously toyed with filming a series of informative shorts at a
costume con one of these years to be kinda like a video Q&A for all the
unique things about a Costume Con: This is the Historical Masquerade, This
is the Future Fashion Show, etc. If I did that I’d also really try to do a
short retrospective on some CC history, ICG History, and
memories/recollections of costumers past for retrospectives. I think both
would be really worthwhile.

If I had a camera . . . and time 😛

I don’t think copyrighted music would be as big of a problem, there are
plenty of fandom-friendly bands we could hit up.

te: 09/15/11

 

Group: runacc Message: 2348 From: Elaine Mami Date: 9/17/2011
Subject: Re: A different kind of CC promotion idea
Bruce,

As I’m sure you’ve noticed, Carl always shot the entire stage. It’s really the only way to get the whole “message” of a costume entry cross.

Elaine
Nil significat nisi oscillat!

4. The best way to see to get the kinds of shots needed, other than taking
people outside, might be to have a stage(d) approach instead. In other
words, shoot everything on stage. Not the most exciting background, but
some of that could be overcome by direction and camera angles. I’m sure
there are plenty of videos of, oh, say, fashion shows that could give cues
as to how to shoot. Maybe there are some anime con vids out there that do
that – I haven’t seen enough to really know, yet. I have an idea in my
head of one way to shoot a vid like this, but it would help to know what
people are bringing, ahead of time. But, it could also work through
creative improvisation, too. Kind of an interactive photo line, where each
entry briefly acknowledges the other as they enter or exit the stage.

Thoughts?

Bruce

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Group: runacc Message: 2349 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair Date: 9/18/2011
Subject: Re: A different kind of CC promotion idea
Or, (shameless plug) make CC promotion a special category in the Video
masquerade/Film Festival

Kevin

 

Group: runacc Message: 2350 From: Elaine Mami Date: 9/18/2011
Subject: Re: A different kind of CC promotion idea
In that case, you get to tie the bell on the cat!!

Elaine
Nil significat nisi oscillat!

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: chair@cc26.org
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 00:09:04 -0700
Subject: Re: [runacc] A different kind of CC promotion idea

Or, (shameless plug) make CC promotion a special category in the Video
masquerade/Film Festival

Kevin

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Group: runacc Message: 2251 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion
Group: runacc Message: 2252 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion
Group: runacc Message: 2253 From: Margie Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
Group: runacc Message: 2254 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
Group: runacc Message: 2255 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
Group: runacc Message: 2256 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
Group: runacc Message: 2257 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: The Pups Fish Fry video! (was Post CC info for committees)
Group: runacc Message: 2258 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Re: The Pups Fish Fry video! (was Post CC info for committees)
Group: runacc Message: 2259 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion
Group: runacc Message: 2260 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
Group: runacc Message: 2261 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
Group: runacc Message: 2262 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
Group: runacc Message: 2263 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion
Group: runacc Message: 2264 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
Group: runacc Message: 2265 From: Nora Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
Group: runacc Message: 2266 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion
Group: runacc Message: 2267 From: Margie Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
Group: runacc Message: 2268 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
Group: runacc Message: 2269 From: Kevin Roche Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion
Group: runacc Message: 2270 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
Group: runacc Message: 2271 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
Group: runacc Message: 2272 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
Group: runacc Message: 2273 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
Group: runacc Message: 2274 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Another idea while our brains are working
Group: runacc Message: 2275 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Another idea while our brains are working
Group: runacc Message: 2276 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Another idea while our brains are working
Group: runacc Message: 2277 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
Group: runacc Message: 2278 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Another idea while our brains are working
Group: runacc Message: 2279 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Another idea while our brains are working
Group: runacc Message: 2280 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Another idea while our brains are working
Group: runacc Message: 2281 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Another idea while our brains are working
Group: runacc Message: 2282 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion
Group: runacc Message: 2283 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Another idea while our brains are working
Group: runacc Message: 2284 From: Elaine Sims Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
Group: runacc Message: 2285 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
Group: runacc Message: 2286 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: Re: Another idea while our brains are working
Group: runacc Message: 2287 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: lower the memberships? & newcomers!
Group: runacc Message: 2288 From: Nora Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: Re: Another idea while our brains are working
Group: runacc Message: 2289 From: Kevin Roche Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: Re: Another idea while our brains are working
Group: runacc Message: 2290 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: Re: Another idea while our brains are working
Group: runacc Message: 2291 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: Re: Another idea while our brains are working
Group: runacc Message: 2292 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 6/9/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion
Group: runacc Message: 2293 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/22/2011
Subject: Questions for former con chairs.
Group: runacc Message: 2294 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/22/2011
Subject: Re: Questions for former con chairs.
Group: runacc Message: 2295 From: Nora Date: 6/22/2011
Subject: Re: Questions for former con chairs.
Group: runacc Message: 2296 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 6/23/2011
Subject: Re: Questions for former con chairs.
Group: runacc Message: 2297 From: Margie Date: 6/24/2011
Subject: Re: Questions for former con chairs.
Group: runacc Message: 2298 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 6/29/2011
Subject: Names on Photographs, etc
Group: runacc Message: 2299 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/29/2011
Subject: Re: Names on Photographs, etc
Group: runacc Message: 2300 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/29/2011
Subject: Re: Names on Photographs, etc

 


 

Group: runacc Message: 2251 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion

Not ringing any bells, for me.
Marty

On 6/6/2011 8:00 AM, Betsy Delaney wrote:
>
> I have a totally vague recollection that Marty might have a copy if you
> don’t, Pierre. Trouble is, I don’t recall whether I saw the
> presentation and
> visualized it or saw it for real. Such a LONG time ago!
>
> -b
>
> On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Pierre & Sandy Pettinger <
> costumrs@radiks.net <mailto:costumrs%40radiks.net>> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > At 01:31 PM 6/4/2011, you wrote:
> >
> > I haven’t noticed it in the videos Carl has brought me, but I haven’t
> > been through everything yet. We should probably try to find it.
> >
> > Pierre
> >
> > —
> —
> —
> Betsy Marks Delaney
>
> http://www.hawkeswood.com/
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2252 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion

Ok, so let’s see if I remember this right: Something to do with shovels and
flashlights, or am I remembering this wrong? Was it a CC presentation or
TackyCon? (…which requires a separate explanation all on its own.)

B

On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Martin Gear <MartinGear@comcast.net> wrote:

>
>
> Not ringing any bells, for me.
> Marty
>
>
> On 6/6/2011 8:00 AM, Betsy Delaney wrote:
> >
> > I have a totally vague recollection that Marty might have a copy if you
> > don’t, Pierre. Trouble is, I don’t recall whether I saw the
> > presentation and
> > visualized it or saw it for real. Such a LONG time ago!
> >
> > -b
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Pierre & Sandy Pettinger <
> > costumrs@radiks.net <mailto:costumrs%40radiks.net>> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > At 01:31 PM 6/4/2011, you wrote:
> > >
> > > I haven’t noticed it in the videos Carl has brought me, but I haven’t
> > > been through everything yet. We should probably try to find it.
> > >
> > > Pierre
> > >
> > > —
> > —
> > —
> > Betsy Marks Delaney
> >
> > http://www.hawkeswood.com/
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>




Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

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Group: runacc Message: 2253 From: Margie Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)

And around here (location of CC30), I think “Friendly Native Guide” would be interpreted more as “I live in this town, can I help you find something?”

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, osierhenry@… wrote:
>
> In a message dated 6/4/2011 5:41:07 PM Central Daylight Time,
> von_drago@… writes:
> > 2. Welcome Wagon – this one isn’t as finalized yet but basically it would
> > consist of a team of Native Guides who would guide newbies around the con,
> > explain things to them, look for lost souls, introduce the new folks to
> > the vets, etc.
> >
>
> I like this idea!
>
> > Haven’t got all the details together yet but the concept is to provide
> > new people with some folks who can help them find where they need to be,
> > explain jokes &references they don’t get, introduce them to folks with similar
> > interests… just help them wherever they can.
> > Kind of like a wandering den mom – a “Con Mom”.
>
> Good idea. Question: In this area, Con Mom is the person that is on staff
> that makes sure other staffers are alright, as in have eaten, slept, gone to
> the bathroom, etc. So, might another name be better, such as Friendly Native
> Guide? Just a question and an idea.
>
> Henry
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2254 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)

Not sold on any “title” yet – looking for suggestions since we want it to be useful & clear.

Henry – “Con Mom” like Den Mom was my thought, any other term that might imply that?
Marge (Or is ti Margie, which do you prefer?) – “Native Guide” does seem a little more like a geographic local when I’m trying to imply familiarity with the con not neccessarily the area. Although it’d be great if at least one of these folks was local so we could help with shopping, sight-seeing & eating suggestions as well. What else infers – “I know what I’m doing at this con”?

Nora

— On Mon, 6/6/11, Margie <marg1066@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Margie <marg1066@gmail.com>
Subject: [runacc] Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, June 6, 2011, 10:08 AM

And around here (location of CC30), I think “Friendly Native Guide” would be interpreted more as “I live in this town, can I help you find something?”

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, osierhenry@… wrote:
>
> In a message dated 6/4/2011 5:41:07 PM Central Daylight Time,
> von_drago@… writes:
> > 2. Welcome Wagon – this one isn’t as finalized yet but basically it would
> > consist of a team of Native Guides who would guide newbies around the con,
> > explain things to them, look for lost souls, introduce the new folks to
> > the vets, etc.
> >
>
> I like this idea!
>
> > Haven’t got all the details together yet but the concept is to provide
> > new people with some folks who can help them find where they need to be,
> > explain jokes &references they don’t get, introduce them to folks with similar
> > interests… just help them wherever they can.
> > Kind of like a wandering den mom – a “Con Mom”.
>
> Good idea. Question: In this area, Con Mom is the person that is on staff
> that makes sure other staffers are alright, as in have eaten, slept, gone to
> the bathroom, etc. So, might another name be better, such as Friendly Native
> Guide? Just a question and an idea.
>
> Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2255 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)

Combine them – Con Guide

On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Bruce & Nora Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> Not sold on any “title” yet – looking for suggestions since we want it to
> be useful & clear.
>
> Henry – “Con Mom” like Den Mom was my thought, any other term that might
> imply that?
> Marge (Or is ti Margie, which do you prefer?) – “Native Guide” does seem a
> little more like a geographic local when I’m trying to imply familiarity
> with the con not neccessarily the area. Although it’d be great if at least
> one of these folks was local so we could help with shopping, sight-seeing &
> eating suggestions as well. What else infers – “I know what I’m doing at
> this con”?
>
> Nora
>
> — On Mon, 6/6/11, Margie <marg1066@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Margie <marg1066@gmail.com>
> Subject: [runacc] Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, June 6, 2011, 10:08 AM
>
>
> And around here (location of CC30), I think “Friendly Native Guide” would
> be interpreted more as “I live in this town, can I help you find something?”
>
>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, osierhenry@… wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 6/4/2011 5:41:07 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > von_drago@… writes:
> > > 2. Welcome Wagon – this one isn’t as finalized yet but basically it
> would
> > > consist of a team of Native Guides who would guide newbies around the
> con,
> > > explain things to them, look for lost souls, introduce the new folks to
> > > the vets, etc.
> > >
> >
> > I like this idea!
> >
> > > Haven’t got all the details together yet but the concept is to provide
> > > new people with some folks who can help them find where they need to
> be,
> > > explain jokes &references they don’t get, introduce them to folks with
> similar
> > > interests… just help them wherever they can.
> > > Kind of like a wandering den mom – a “Con Mom”.
> >
> > Good idea. Question: In this area, Con Mom is the person that is on staff
> > that makes sure other staffers are alright, as in have eaten, slept, gone
> to
> > the bathroom, etc. So, might another name be better, such as Friendly
> Native
> > Guide? Just a question and an idea.
> >
> > Henry
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo!
> Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2256 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)

Nah. Too logical ;P
Actually, that’s the best idea I’ve seen so far. Thanks, Aurora!

Elaine
CC 30 Comfy Chair

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: auroraceleste@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 11:17:11 -0400
Subject: Re: [runacc] Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)

Combine them – Con Guide

On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Bruce & Nora Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> Not sold on any “title” yet – looking for suggestions since we want it to
> be useful & clear.
>
> Henry – “Con Mom” like Den Mom was my thought, any other term that might
> imply that?
> Marge (Or is ti Margie, which do you prefer?) – “Native Guide” does seem a
> little more like a geographic local when I’m trying to imply familiarity
> with the con not neccessarily the area. Although it’d be great if at least
> one of these folks was local so we could help with shopping, sight-seeing &
> eating suggestions as well. What else infers – “I know what I’m doing at
> this con”?
>
> Nora
>
> — On Mon, 6/6/11, Margie <marg1066@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Margie <marg1066@gmail.com>
> Subject: [runacc] Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, June 6, 2011, 10:08 AM
>
>
> And around here (location of CC30), I think “Friendly Native Guide” would
> be interpreted more as “I live in this town, can I help you find something?”
>
>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, osierhenry@… wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 6/4/2011 5:41:07 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > von_drago@… writes:
> > > 2. Welcome Wagon – this one isn’t as finalized yet but basically it
> would
> > > consist of a team of Native Guides who would guide newbies around the
> con,
> > > explain things to them, look for lost souls, introduce the new folks to
> > > the vets, etc.
> > >
> >
> > I like this idea!
> >
> > > Haven’t got all the details together yet but the concept is to provide
> > > new people with some folks who can help them find where they need to
> be,
> > > explain jokes &references they don’t get, introduce them to folks with
> similar
> > > interests… just help them wherever they can.
> > > Kind of like a wandering den mom – a “Con Mom”.
> >
> > Good idea. Question: In this area, Con Mom is the person that is on staff
> > that makes sure other staffers are alright, as in have eaten, slept, gone
> to
> > the bathroom, etc. So, might another name be better, such as Friendly
> Native
> > Guide? Just a question and an idea.
> >
> > Henry
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo!
> Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2257 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: The Pups Fish Fry video! (was Post CC info for committees)

Actually, Betsy, it was a “telethon,” called “The Fish Fry,” with D. Jeanette Holloman as the costume-deprived recipient of all of our attention, and more fish puns than anyone needs. I was the well known TV interviewer, Baba Wawa! We even had a news stream (Loooooong roll of paper on 2 rolling pins) running across the bottom of the scene throughout. Oh, and we announced a serious sequin recall, with a lot # about a bazillion digits long, to be seen on the back of each sequin!
and there was a song :/
Carl filmed it, and he must still have it. I’ll check.

Elaine
Nil significat nisi oscillat!

> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: aramintamd@gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 10:38:57 -0400
> Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion
>
> Ok, so let’s see if I remember this right: Something to do with shovels and
> flashlights, or am I remembering this wrong? Was it a CC presentation or
> TackyCon? (…which requires a separate explanation all on its own.)
>
> B
>
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Martin Gear <MartinGear@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Not ringing any bells, for me.
> > Marty
> >
> >
> > On 6/6/2011 8:00 AM, Betsy Delaney wrote:
> > >
> > > I have a totally vague recollection that Marty might have a copy if you
> > > don’t, Pierre. Trouble is, I don’t recall whether I saw the
> > > presentation and
> > > visualized it or saw it for real. Such a LONG time ago!
> > >
> > > -b
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Pierre & Sandy Pettinger <
> > > costumrs@radiks.net <mailto:costumrs%40radiks.net>> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 01:31 PM 6/4/2011, you wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I haven’t noticed it in the videos Carl has brought me, but I haven’t
> > > > been through everything yet. We should probably try to find it.
> > > >
> > > > Pierre
> > > >
> > > > —
> > > —
> > > —
> > > Betsy Marks Delaney
> > >
> > > http://www.hawkeswood.com/
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> —
> —
> —
> Betsy Marks Delaney
>
> http://www.hawkeswood.com/
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2258 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Re: The Pups Fish Fry video! (was Post CC info for committees)

Ok, I don’t remember this at all (not even hearing about it).

Thanks!

-b

On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Elaine Mami <ecmami@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>
> Actually, Betsy, it was a “telethon,” called “The Fish Fry,” with D.
> Jeanette Holloman as the costume-deprived recipient of all of our attention,
> and more fish puns than anyone needs. I was the well known TV interviewer,
> Baba Wawa! We even had a news stream (Loooooong roll of paper on 2 rolling
> pins) running across the bottom of the scene throughout. Oh, and we
> announced a serious sequin recall, with a lot # about a bazillion digits
> long, to be seen on the back of each sequin!
> and there was a song :/
> Carl filmed it, and he must still have it. I’ll check.
>
> Elaine
> Nil significat nisi oscillat!
>
> —


Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

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Group: runacc Message: 2259 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion

The only flashlights that I remember were from TackyCon, and by this
time, TackyCon is probably best left to the memories of those of us who
were there.
Marty

On 6/6/2011 10:38 AM, Betsy Delaney wrote:
> Ok, so let’s see if I remember this right: Something to do with shovels and
> flashlights, or am I remembering this wrong? Was it a CC presentation or
> TackyCon? (…which requires a separate explanation all on its own.)
>
> B
>
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Martin Gear<MartinGear@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Not ringing any bells, for me.
>> Marty
>>
>>
>> On 6/6/2011 8:00 AM, Betsy Delaney wrote:
>>> I have a totally vague recollection that Marty might have a copy if you
>>> don’t, Pierre. Trouble is, I don’t recall whether I saw the
>>> presentation and
>>> visualized it or saw it for real. Such a LONG time ago!
>>>
>>> -b
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Pierre& Sandy Pettinger<
>>> costumrs@radiks.net<mailto:costumrs%40radiks.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> At 01:31 PM 6/4/2011, you wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I haven’t noticed it in the videos Carl has brought me, but I haven’t
>>>> been through everything yet. We should probably try to find it.
>>>>
>>>> Pierre
>>>>
>>>> —
>>> —
>>> —
>>> Betsy Marks Delaney
>>>
>>> http://www.hawkeswood.com/
>>>
>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>
>>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2260 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)

“CostumeCon Old Fart”???
Marty (who are one)

On 6/6/2011 11:14 AM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
>
> <snip> I’m trying to imply familiarity with the con not neccessarily
> the area. Although it’d be great if at least one of these folks was
> local so we could help with shopping, sight-seeing & eating
> suggestions as well. What else infers – “I know what I’m doing at this
> con”?
>
> Nora
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2261 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)

CostumeCon Know-It-All?

At any rate, we will have locals available to give all of that local info. There will be restaurant and shopping listings, along with their locations in relation to the con. That much we can promise.

What to call the Smart @$$ Old Pharts is another animal entirely.

Elaine
Whose brain is currently OTL

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: MartinGear@comcast.net
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 15:08:38 -0400
Subject: Re: [runacc] Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)

“CostumeCon Old Fart”???
Marty (who are one)

On 6/6/2011 11:14 AM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
>
> <snip> I’m trying to imply familiarity with the con not neccessarily
> the area. Although it’d be great if at least one of these folks was
> local so we could help with shopping, sight-seeing & eating
> suggestions as well. What else infers – “I know what I’m doing at this
> con”?
>
> Nora
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2262 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)

I know what I’m doing at this con!?! That’s a pretty high bar that would exclude me for most CCs.

Byron 🙂

On Jun 6, 2011, at 11:14 AM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> Not sold on any “title” yet – looking for suggestions since we want it to be useful & clear.
>
> Henry – “Con Mom” like Den Mom was my thought, any other term that might imply that?
> Marge (Or is ti Margie, which do you prefer?) – “Native Guide” does seem a little more like a geographic local when I’m trying to imply familiarity with the con not neccessarily the area. Although it’d be great if at least one of these folks was local so we could help with shopping, sight-seeing & eating suggestions as well. What else infers – “I know what I’m doing at this con”?
>
> Nora
>
> — On Mon, 6/6/11, Margie <marg1066@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Margie <marg1066@gmail.com>
> Subject: [runacc] Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, June 6, 2011, 10:08 AM
>
> And around here (location of CC30), I think “Friendly Native Guide” would be interpreted more as “I live in this town, can I help you find something?”
>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, osierhenry@… wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 6/4/2011 5:41:07 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > von_drago@… writes:
> > > 2. Welcome Wagon – this one isn’t as finalized yet but basically it would
> > > consist of a team of Native Guides who would guide newbies around the con,
> > > explain things to them, look for lost souls, introduce the new folks to
> > > the vets, etc.
> > >
> >
> > I like this idea!
> >
> > > Haven’t got all the details together yet but the concept is to provide
> > > new people with some folks who can help them find where they need to be,
> > > explain jokes &references they don’t get, introduce them to folks with similar
> > > interests… just help them wherever they can.
> > > Kind of like a wandering den mom – a “Con Mom”.
> >
> > Good idea. Question: In this area, Con Mom is the person that is on staff
> > that makes sure other staffers are alright, as in have eaten, slept, gone to
> > the bathroom, etc. So, might another name be better, such as Friendly Native
> > Guide? Just a question and an idea.
> >
> > Henry
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2263 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion

We have a copy of the VHS tape of TackyCon ’93.

Byron

On Jun 6, 2011, at 3:06 PM, Martin Gear wrote:

> The only flashlights that I remember were from TackyCon, and by this
> time, TackyCon is probably best left to the memories of those of us who
> were there.
> Marty
>
> On 6/6/2011 10:38 AM, Betsy Delaney wrote:
> > Ok, so let’s see if I remember this right: Something to do with shovels and
> > flashlights, or am I remembering this wrong? Was it a CC presentation or
> > TackyCon? (…which requires a separate explanation all on its own.)
> >
> > B
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Martin Gear<MartinGear@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Not ringing any bells, for me.
> >> Marty
> >>
> >>
> >> On 6/6/2011 8:00 AM, Betsy Delaney wrote:
> >>> I have a totally vague recollection that Marty might have a copy if you
> >>> don’t, Pierre. Trouble is, I don’t recall whether I saw the
> >>> presentation and
> >>> visualized it or saw it for real. Such a LONG time ago!
> >>>
> >>> -b
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Pierre& Sandy Pettinger<
> >>> costumrs@radiks.net<mailto:costumrs%40radiks.net>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> At 01:31 PM 6/4/2011, you wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I haven’t noticed it in the videos Carl has brought me, but I haven’t
> >>>> been through everything yet. We should probably try to find it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Pierre
> >>>>
> >>>> —
> >>> —
> >>> —
> >>> Betsy Marks Delaney
> >>>
> >>> http://www.hawkeswood.com/
> >>>
> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>>
> >>>
> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2264 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)

That one, I like!

Byron

On Jun 6, 2011, at 3:08 PM, Martin Gear wrote:

> “CostumeCon Old Fart”???
> Marty (who are one)
>
> On 6/6/2011 11:14 AM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
> >
> > <snip> I’m trying to imply familiarity with the con not neccessarily
> > the area. Although it’d be great if at least one of these folks was
> > local so we could help with shopping, sight-seeing & eating
> > suggestions as well. What else infers – “I know what I’m doing at this
> > con”?
> >
> > Nora
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2265 From: Nora Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)

lol – I’d have to agree! “I know what I’m doing” is kind of a scary statement usually reserved for right before one does something that destroys half the city’s power grid.

Nora

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Byron Connell <byronpconnell@…> wrote:
>
> I know what I’m doing at this con!?! That’s a pretty high bar that would exclude me for most CCs.
>
> Byron 🙂
>
>
> On Jun 6, 2011, at 11:14 AM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
>
> > Not sold on any “title” yet – looking for suggestions since we want it to be useful & clear.
> >
> > Henry – “Con Mom” like Den Mom was my thought, any other term that might imply that?
> > Marge (Or is ti Margie, which do you prefer?) – “Native Guide” does seem a little more like a geographic local when I’m trying to imply familiarity with the con not neccessarily the area. Although it’d be great if at least one of these folks was local so we could help with shopping, sight-seeing & eating suggestions as well. What else infers – “I know what I’m doing at this con”?
> >
> > Nora
> >
> > — On Mon, 6/6/11, Margie <marg1066@…> wrote:
> >
> > From: Margie <marg1066@…>
> > Subject: [runacc] Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
> > To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Monday, June 6, 2011, 10:08 AM
> >
> > And around here (location of CC30), I think “Friendly Native Guide” would be interpreted more as “I live in this town, can I help you find something?”
> >
> > — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, osierhenry@ wrote:
> > >
> > > In a message dated 6/4/2011 5:41:07 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > > von_drago@ writes:
> > > > 2. Welcome Wagon – this one isn’t as finalized yet but basically it would
> > > > consist of a team of Native Guides who would guide newbies around the con,
> > > > explain things to them, look for lost souls, introduce the new folks to
> > > > the vets, etc.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I like this idea!
> > >
> > > > Haven’t got all the details together yet but the concept is to provide
> > > > new people with some folks who can help them find where they need to be,
> > > > explain jokes &references they don’t get, introduce them to folks with similar
> > > > interests… just help them wherever they can.
> > > > Kind of like a wandering den mom – a “Con Mom”.
> > >
> > > Good idea. Question: In this area, Con Mom is the person that is on staff
> > > that makes sure other staffers are alright, as in have eaten, slept, gone to
> > > the bathroom, etc. So, might another name be better, such as Friendly Native
> > > Guide? Just a question and an idea.
> > >
> > > Henry
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2266 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion

Depends on the Tackycon. I seem to recall there is one in the Archives here
(you might have given it to us), that might be the one you’re referring to.
I’ve not watched it, nor do I believe it’s been digitized yet.

Bruce

“Our Hobby – Our History”

Assistant Archivist, Pat & Peggy Kennedy Memorial Library

IC Gallery Admin

https://costume.pixi.me/main.php

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Martin Gear
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 2:06 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for
newcomer inclusion

The only flashlights that I remember were from TackyCon, and by this
time, TackyCon is probably best left to the memories of those of us who
were there.
Marty

On 6/6/2011 10:38 AM, Betsy Delaney wrote:
> Ok, so let’s see if I remember this right: Something to do with shovels
and
> flashlights, or am I remembering this wrong? Was it a CC presentation or
> TackyCon? (…which requires a separate explanation all on its own.)
>
> B
>
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Martin Gear<MartinGear@comcast.net>
wrote:
>
>>
>> Not ringing any bells, for me.
>> Marty
>>
>>
>> On 6/6/2011 8:00 AM, Betsy Delaney wrote:
>>> I have a totally vague recollection that Marty might have a copy if you
>>> don’t, Pierre. Trouble is, I don’t recall whether I saw the
>>> presentation and
>>> visualized it or saw it for real. Such a LONG time ago!
>>>
>>> -b
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Pierre& Sandy Pettinger<
>>> costumrs@radiks.net<mailto:costumrs%40radiks.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> At 01:31 PM 6/4/2011, you wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I haven’t noticed it in the videos Carl has brought me, but I haven’t
>>>> been through everything yet. We should probably try to find it.
>>>>
>>>> Pierre
>>>>
>>>> —
>>> —
>>> —
>>> Betsy Marks Delaney
>>>
>>> http://www.hawkeswood.com/
>>>
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Group: runacc Message: 2267 From: Margie Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)

I like “Convention Guide” for ribbons.

As for my name — I love to try to clear this up, although it never holds for long.

My name is Margaret, but I also go by Margie & Marg. [NONE of these words has a “soft g” sound, like a J… all have the “hard g” sound.] Because Margie and Marg are unusual, and as such forgettable, if you can’t remember them, feel free to call me Margaret… cuz pretty much everyone knows how to say that.

I am never “Marge” — I hate that name, and saying it in front of me pretty much guarantees I will try to correct it. 🙂

All that said, good luck. 🙂

Btw, I was hopeful that once the “pronunciation” trail was blazed by Marg Helgenberger of CSI (and prior to that, China Beach), life as “Marg” would be easier. But while most people would recognize her face, they still don’t know her name. (drat)

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Bruce & Nora Mai <casamai@…> wrote:
>
> Marge (Or is ti Margie, which do you prefer?) – “Native Guide” does seem a little more like a geographic local when I’m trying to imply familiarity with the con not neccessarily the area. Although it’d be great if at least one of these folks was local so we could help with shopping, sight-seeing & eating suggestions as well. What else infers – “I know what I’m doing at this con”?
> �
> Nora
>
> — On Mon, 6/6/11, Margie <marg1066@…> wrote:
>
>
> From: Margie <marg1066@…>
> Subject: [runacc] Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, June 6, 2011, 10:08 AM
>
>
> And around here (location of CC30), I think “Friendly Native Guide” would be interpreted more as “I live in this town, can I help you find something?”
>
>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, osierhenry@ wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 6/4/2011 5:41:07 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > von_drago@ writes:
> > > 2. Welcome Wagon – this one isn’t as finalized yet but basically it would
> > > consist of a team of Native Guides who would guide newbies around the con,
> > > explain things to them, look for lost souls, introduce the new folks to
> > > the vets, etc.
> > >
> >
> > I like this idea!
> >
> > > Haven’t got all the details together yet but the concept is to provide
> > > new people with some folks who can help them find where they need to be,
> > > explain jokes &references they don’t get, introduce them to folks with similar
> > > interests… just help them wherever they can.
> > > Kind of like a wandering den mom – a “Con Mom”.
> >
> > Good idea. Question: In this area, Con Mom is the person that is on staff
> > that makes sure other staffers are alright, as in have eaten, slept, gone to
> > the bathroom, etc. So, might another name be better, such as Friendly Native
> > Guide? Just a question and an idea.
> >
> > Henry
>
>
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Group: runacc Message: 2268 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)

Best laugh ALL morning!

-b

On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 10:18 PM, Nora <von_drago@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
> lol – I’d have to agree! “I know what I’m doing” is kind of a scary
> statement usually reserved for right before one does something that destroys
> half the city’s power grid.
>
> Nora
>



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Group: runacc Message: 2269 From: Kevin Roche Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion

There was also a Tackycon West, held at the rec center at Fran Evan’s
complex, as I recall. I came as the costumers’ superhero, SuperGlue. I
recall grossing out some annoying “V” fans by eating gummi worms with
quacamole.

I *don’t* know if there is video from its masquerade.

Kevin

On 6/7/2011 5:16 AM, Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:
>
> Depends on the Tackycon. I seem to recall there is one in the Archives
> here
> (you might have given it to us), that might be the one you’re
> referring to.
> I’ve not watched it, nor do I believe it’s been digitized yet.
>
> Bruce
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2270 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)

In a message dated 6/6/2011 10:14:28 AM Central Daylight Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> Not sold on any “title” yet – looking for suggestions since we want it to
> be useful &clear.
>
> “Native Guide” does seem a little more like a geographic local when I’m
> trying to imply familiarity with the con not neccessarily the area.
>
>
>

Ah! My brain says there is a name for that. I just can’t think of it. All I
can think of is the title the character Julie had on the Love Boat series.

I do think F.N.G.’s and Friendly Con Guides are both good ideas.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2271 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)

In a message dated 6/6/2011 6:45:14 PM Central Daylight Time,
byronpconnell@gmail.com writes:

> I know what I’m doing at this con!?! That’s a pretty high bar that would
> exclude me for most CCs.

Byron,
You would be a great person for noobs to go to for guidance!
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2272 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)

Cruise Director – and that is one of the examples I was using when I was tossing around ideas.
Not sure that title would work. Or her alternative “Activities Director”.

Nora

— On Tue, 6/7/11, osierhenry@cs.com <osierhenry@cs.com> wrote:

From: osierhenry@cs.com <osierhenry@cs.com>
Subject: Re: [runacc] Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 7, 2011, 3:40 PM

In a message dated 6/6/2011 10:14:28 AM Central Daylight Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:
> Not sold on any “title” yet – looking for suggestions since we want it to
> be useful &clear.
>
> “Native Guide” does seem a little more like a geographic local when I’m
> trying to imply familiarity with the con not neccessarily the area.
>
>
>
Ah! My brain says there is a name for that. I just can’t think of it. All I
can think of is the title the character Julie had on the Love Boat series.

I do think F.N.G.’s and Friendly Con Guides are both good ideas.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2273 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)

In a message dated 6/7/2011 8:50:32 AM Central Daylight Time,
marg1066@gmail.com writes:

> I like “Convention Guide” for ribbons.
>

That would work! And, if a quantity would be made, CC’s from next year
forward could keep using them. “If you need general assistance at the con, look
for someone with an orange ribbon that says Con Guide.” As an example.

> As for my name — I love to try to clear this up, although it never holds
> for long.
>
> My name is Margaret, but I also go by Margie &Marg.
>
>
>

That will cause a bit of confusion. Mind if we call you Bruce, just to make
it easy? ;p

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2274 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Another idea while our brains are working
Hello!
While at CC this year, I thought that it might be handy for those of
us who have run or worked a CC before to make a list of Good Advice things.
Like “Feed your Judges and Tech Crew.”
I would be glad to compile the list from everyone’s input.
Let me know what you think.
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2275 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Another idea while our brains are working
I would appreciate that! Although we have already been compiling something of the sort, I’m certain we will miss something.
#1 Make sure the chair is fed and watered! And gets a few minutes’ rest each day ;P

We are already planning on feeding tech, too, in the con suite.

Elaine
Nil significat nisi oscillat!

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: osierhenry@cs.com
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 17:13:42 -0400
Subject: [runacc] Another idea while our brains are working

Hello!
While at CC this year, I thought that it might be handy for those of
us who have run or worked a CC before to make a list of Good Advice things.
Like “Feed your Judges and Tech Crew.”
I would be glad to compile the list from everyone’s input.
Let me know what you think.
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2276 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Another idea while our brains are working
and make sure the mc is considered part of tech. Anime north is the only times I
as mc have ever gotten dinner/snacks or anything in the midst of all of it,
especially at cc, the mc works almost as long as tech, and waaay longer than the
judges
Gravely MacCabre
http://www.castleblood.com
http://facebook.com/gravelymaccabre
http://etsy.com/shops/gravelymaccabre

tv show clip samples at
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From: Elaine Mami <ecmami@hotmail.com>
To: Betsy D <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, June 7, 2011 5:20:48 PM
Subject: RE: [runacc] Another idea while our brains are working

I would appreciate that!  Although we have already been compiling something of
the sort, I’m certain we will miss something.
#1  Make sure the chair is fed and watered!  And gets a few minutes’ rest each
day ;P

We are already planning on feeding tech, too, in the con suite.

Elaine
Nil significat nisi oscillat!

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: osierhenry@cs.com
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 17:13:42 -0400
Subject: [runacc] Another idea while our brains are working

Hello!
While at CC this year, I thought that it might be handy for those of
us who have run or worked a CC before to make a list of Good Advice things.
Like “Feed your Judges and Tech Crew.”
I would be glad to compile the list from everyone’s input.
Let me know what you think.
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2277 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)

The idea has always been to use them again. If we get the idea solid then it can just continue from con to con with a little pamphlet of FAQs & newbie ribbons.
If it becomes a standarad thing then folks (even not newbies) will get the idea of what to look for.
Plus we can promote that to our newbies as they come in.

Nora

— On Tue, 6/7/11, osierhenry@cs.com <osierhenry@cs.com> wrote:

From: osierhenry@cs.com <osierhenry@cs.com>
Subject: Re: [runacc] Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 7, 2011, 4:09 PM

That would work! And, if a quantity would be made, CC’s from next year
forward could keep using them. “If you need general assistance at the con, look
for someone with an orange ribbon that says Con Guide.” As an example.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2278 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Another idea while our brains are working
Absolutely! As MC, I have often had to scramble to grab something to eat. Not good. The Judges, IMO, can feed themselves – they have time – but will need something like green room nibbles and water during deliberations.

Elaine
Nil significat nisi oscillat!

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: gravelymac@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 14:31:47 -0700
Subject: Re: [runacc] Another idea while our brains are working

and make sure the mc is considered part of tech. Anime north is the only times I
as mc have ever gotten dinner/snacks or anything in the midst of all of it,
especially at cc, the mc works almost as long as tech, and waaay longer than the
judges
Gravely MacCabre
http://www.castleblood.com
http://facebook.com/gravelymaccabre
http://etsy.com/shops/gravelymaccabre

tv show clip samples at
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From: Elaine Mami <ecmami@hotmail.com>
To: Betsy D <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, June 7, 2011 5:20:48 PM
Subject: RE: [runacc] Another idea while our brains are working

I would appreciate that! Although we have already been compiling something of
the sort, I’m certain we will miss something.
#1 Make sure the chair is fed and watered! And gets a few minutes’ rest each
day ;P

We are already planning on feeding tech, too, in the con suite.

Elaine
Nil significat nisi oscillat!

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: osierhenry@cs.com
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 17:13:42 -0400
Subject: [runacc] Another idea while our brains are working

Hello!
While at CC this year, I thought that it might be handy for those of
us who have run or worked a CC before to make a list of Good Advice things.
Like “Feed your Judges and Tech Crew.”
I would be glad to compile the list from everyone’s input.
Let me know what you think.
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2279 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Another idea while our brains are working
Absolutely! As MC, I have often had to scramble to grab something to eat. Not good. The Judges, IMO, can feed themselves – they have time – but will need something like green room nibbles and water during deliberations.

Elaine
Nil significat nisi oscillat!

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: gravelymac@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 14:31:47 -0700
Subject: Re: [runacc] Another idea while our brains are working

and make sure the mc is considered part of tech. Anime north is the only times I
as mc have ever gotten dinner/snacks or anything in the midst of all of it,
especially at cc, the mc works almost as long as tech, and waaay longer than the
judges
Gravely MacCabre
http://www.castleblood.com
http://facebook.com/gravelymaccabre
http://etsy.com/shops/gravelymaccabre

tv show clip samples at
http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood

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From: Elaine Mami <ecmami@hotmail.com>
To: Betsy D <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, June 7, 2011 5:20:48 PM
Subject: RE: [runacc] Another idea while our brains are working

I would appreciate that! Although we have already been compiling something of
the sort, I’m certain we will miss something.
#1 Make sure the chair is fed and watered! And gets a few minutes’ rest each
day ;P

We are already planning on feeding tech, too, in the con suite.

Elaine
Nil significat nisi oscillat!

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: osierhenry@cs.com
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 17:13:42 -0400
Subject: [runacc] Another idea while our brains are working

Hello!
While at CC this year, I thought that it might be handy for those of
us who have run or worked a CC before to make a list of Good Advice things.
Like “Feed your Judges and Tech Crew.”
I would be glad to compile the list from everyone’s input.
Let me know what you think.
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2280 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Another idea while our brains are working

Sure. It’s a good idea.

Item #1: Check the stage for safety!

Byron

On Jun 7, 2011, at 5:13 PM, osierhenry@cs.com wrote:

> Hello!
> While at CC this year, I thought that it might be handy for those of
> us who have run or worked a CC before to make a list of Good Advice things.
> Like “Feed your Judges and Tech Crew.”
> I would be glad to compile the list from everyone’s input.
> Let me know what you think.
> Henry
>
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>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2281 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Another idea while our brains are working

No! You don’t want the judges to have food and water during their deliberations. You want them to be prompt.

On a more serious note, I use dinner before the show as a final opportunity to brief the judges.

Byron

On Jun 7, 2011, at 5:40 PM, Elaine Mami wrote:

>
> Absolutely! As MC, I have often had to scramble to grab something to eat. Not good. The Judges, IMO, can feed themselves – they have time – but will need something like green room nibbles and water during deliberations.
>
> Elaine
> Nil significat nisi oscillat!
>
>
>
>
>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: gravelymac@yahoo.com
> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 14:31:47 -0700
> Subject: Re: [runacc] Another idea while our brains are working
>
>
>
>
>
>
> and make sure the mc is considered part of tech. Anime north is the only times I
> as mc have ever gotten dinner/snacks or anything in the midst of all of it,
> especially at cc, the mc works almost as long as tech, and waaay longer than the
> judges
> Gravely MacCabre
> http://www.castleblood.com
> http://facebook.com/gravelymaccabre
> http://etsy.com/shops/gravelymaccabre
>
> tv show clip samples at
> http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood
>
> ________________________________
> From: Elaine Mami <ecmami@hotmail.com>
> To: Betsy D <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tue, June 7, 2011 5:20:48 PM
> Subject: RE: [runacc] Another idea while our brains are working
>
> I would appreciate that! Although we have already been compiling something of
> the sort, I’m certain we will miss something.
> #1 Make sure the chair is fed and watered! And gets a few minutes’ rest each
> day ;P
>
> We are already planning on feeding tech, too, in the con suite.
>
> Elaine
> Nil significat nisi oscillat!
>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: osierhenry@cs.com
> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 17:13:42 -0400
> Subject: [runacc] Another idea while our brains are working
>
>
>
> Hello!
> While at CC this year, I thought that it might be handy for those of
> us who have run or worked a CC before to make a list of Good Advice things.
> Like “Feed your Judges and Tech Crew.”
> I would be glad to compile the list from everyone’s input.
> Let me know what you think.
> Henry
>
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Group: runacc Message: 2282 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion

In my records, I show that I digitized that, although, for some reason, I
don’t show that I made copies. Did I give you a disk?

Bruce

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Byron Connell
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 6:54 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for
newcomer inclusion

We have a copy of the VHS tape of TackyCon ’93.

Byron

On Jun 6, 2011, at 3:06 PM, Martin Gear wrote:

> The only flashlights that I remember were from TackyCon, and by this
> time, TackyCon is probably best left to the memories of those of us who
> were there.
> Marty
>
> On 6/6/2011 10:38 AM, Betsy Delaney wrote:
> > Ok, so let’s see if I remember this right: Something to do with shovels
and
> > flashlights, or am I remembering this wrong? Was it a CC presentation or
> > TackyCon? (…which requires a separate explanation all on its own.)
> >
> > B
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Martin Gear<MartinGear@comcast.net>
wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Not ringing any bells, for me.
> >> Marty
> >>
> >>
> >> On 6/6/2011 8:00 AM, Betsy Delaney wrote:
> >>> I have a totally vague recollection that Marty might have a copy if
you
> >>> don’t, Pierre. Trouble is, I don’t recall whether I saw the
> >>> presentation and
> >>> visualized it or saw it for real. Such a LONG time ago!
> >>>
> >>> -b
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Pierre& Sandy Pettinger<
> >>> costumrs@radiks.net<mailto:costumrs%40radiks.net>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> At 01:31 PM 6/4/2011, you wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I haven’t noticed it in the videos Carl has brought me, but I haven’t
> >>>> been through everything yet. We should probably try to find it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Pierre
> >>>>
> >>>> —
> >>> —
> >>> —
> >>> Betsy Marks Delaney
> >>>
> >>> http://www.hawkeswood.com/
> >>>
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> >>>
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Group: runacc Message: 2283 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Another idea while our brains are working
Having survived many Balticons thanks to someone thrusting a sandwich at me as I left the tech rehearsal to get into my own costume in time to MC I agree completely with Ricky’s comment.

Marty

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Subject: Re: [runacc] Another idea while our brains are working

and make sure the mc is considered part of tech. Anime north is the only times I

as mc have ever gotten dinner/snacks or anything in the midst of all of it,

especially at cc, the mc works almost as long as tech, and waaay longer than the

judges

�Gravely MacCabre

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From: Elaine Mami <ecmami@hotmail.com>

To: Betsy D <runacc@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Tue, June 7, 2011 5:20:48 PM

Subject: RE: [runacc] Another idea while our brains are working

 

I would appreciate that!� Although we have already been compiling something of

the sort, I’m certain we will miss something.

#1� Make sure the chair is fed and watered!� And gets a few minutes’ rest each

day ;P

We are already planning on feeding tech, too, in the con suite.

Elaine

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To: runacc@yahoogroups.com

From: osierhenry@cs.com

Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 17:13:42 -0400

Subject: [runacc] Another idea while our brains are working

 

 

 

Hello!

While at CC this year, I thought that it might be handy for those of

us who have run or worked a CC before to make a list of Good Advice things.

Like “Feed your Judges and Tech Crew.”

I would be glad to compile the list from everyone’s input.

Let me know what you think.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2284 From: Elaine Sims Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
How about: (with a superhero costume/cape in mind) Answer (Wo)Man?
or (with a steampunk periscope hat) the Eye-Spy Guy

Sorry, that’s what I get for asking hubby for his input. 😉

And since Marg is busy, I’ll play interpreter & say it’s Marg with a
hard ‘g’, like Margaret. (From a correction in a FB post way back when I
didn’t know)

~Elaine S.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2285 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)

In a message dated 6/7/2011 10:07:33 PM Central Daylight Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> Cruise Director – and that is one of the examples I was using when I was
> tossing around ideas.
> Not sure that title would work. Or her alternative “Activities Director”.
>
>
>

That was it!

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2286 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: Re: Another idea while our brains are working

In a message dated 6/7/2011 7:29:20 PM Central Daylight Time,
byronpconnell@gmail.com writes:

> No! You don’t want the judges to have food and water during their
> deliberations. You want them to be prompt.
>
>
>

As a judge, I like to have some water during judging. And an opportunity to
run to the bathroom.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2287 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: lower the memberships? & newcomers!
Hi Bruce, Hi all,

Responding to the first question, personally I can’t forsee lowering the memberships,
perhaps instead give added value where possible. As an example I’d love to
lower the membership costs myself, but real estate here is so expensive the hotel
is going to cost big time. I am hoping to make the price justifiable in content.

I really was hoping I’d be able to attract someone to help with grant writing, and brining
in sponsors as well, but currently have nobody in that position so it may fall to me ultimately.

Furthermore as I pointed out, Cosutme-Con prices are in line with other specialty
conventions and conferences and I believe it’s uniqueness can easily justify the cost
if it is continually well run and full of quality content.

Regarding the second point. Some of the long-time con-goers are “elitist”, or at least demonstrate those attitudes.
The question is what are the rest of us going to do about it?

I believe you are correct that the initiatives we’re already talking about will be the beginning of solving some
of these problems.

Actively discussing and planning to start an outreach program to welcome in new members to costume-con
and following thru by having con ambassadors on site will be a big start.

I remember when we first attended costume-con for the first time, we had mostly positive experiences with people,
and a few very welcoming people, (such as yourself), who took the time to answer our questions and make sure we
were having a good time. I’ll admit that was a large factor in deciding to come back.

I’m hoping for CC-32 by getting a large number of younger costuming locals involved in the con-com and running events from the various other fandoms,
anime (cosplayers, lolitas, dollers, kimono enthusiasts), furry (fursuiters), sci-fi (steampunks, cyberpunks, media recreationists), gaming, (larpers, warhammer costumers),
scadians, etc, it will help make people who are new to costume con, feel more comfortable. I think seeing friendly faces from their local conventions will
make costume con seem less daunting. Of course this isn’t a fix for every costume con, but hopefully integrating new people from different arenas to act as friendly faces
will be helpful.

We already know it works, because Maral and I were able to convince a few people from Quebec to come at CC27, and then more from Ontario for CC28, and more again from both provinces for CC29. But it was again the friendly other people from CC who made the kids love it and want to come back. Admittedly rare bad attitudes and experiences with a few long time cc members with nasty attitudes have coloured this most recent CC experience for some, but the overwhelming welcome you all give is what will keep people coming back. 🙂

By the way, I’m using “Con Ambassadors” and “Friendly Faces” for the Toronto CC instead of native guide, (which will be for Torontonians who can give directons or will be leading tours), so if anybody wants to pinch either of these, feel free of course. 🙂

~Dawn

So – first question, kind of repeating what I said earlier in response to

Dawn: since the FFF will no longer be one of the major expenses the

committees have to worry about, will that allow them to somewhat lower

memberships? That may not be realistic. How do you promote the value of

CC, knowledge-wise, and single focus (all-costumes, all the time) to be

worth the cost?

Another perception that still seems to come up is that somehow the long-time

con-goers are “elitist”. This notion has also been a bane to the ICG over

the years. Some of this perception is the whole shyness thing of the vets,

where newcomers think no one wants to talk to them. Can we do anything

about that? Maybe the initiatives CC30 and 32 are working on might be the

answer.

Bruce

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Group: runacc Message: 2288 From: Nora Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: Re: Another idea while our brains are working

The judges can have as much water as they like but NO bathroom.
Speeds up the judging process.

Nora

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, osierhenry@… wrote:
>
> In a message dated 6/7/2011 7:29:20 PM Central Daylight Time,
> byronpconnell@… writes:
> > No! You don’t want the judges to have food and water during their
> > deliberations. You want them to be prompt.
> >
> >
> >
> As a judge, I like to have some water during judging. And an opportunity to
> run to the bathroom.
>
> Henry
>
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Group: runacc Message: 2289 From: Kevin Roche Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: Re: Another idea while our brains are working

Try that on me and I’ll just use a water glass as an emergency
receptacle. You Have Been Warned.

But seriously — if the judges have been chosen carefully and the clerk
empowered to be a vocal timekeeper, they should be able to keep
personalities out of it and come back in the allotted time.

Kevin

On 6/8/2011 4:35 PM, Nora wrote:
>
> The judges can have as much water as they like but NO bathroom.
> Speeds up the judging process.
>
> Nora
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Group: runacc Message: 2290 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: Re: Another idea while our brains are working

Cstumers with personalities? Shirley you jest!!

Elaine
Nil significat nisi oscillat!

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: chair@cc26.org
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 17:20:11 -0700
Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: Another idea while our brains are working

Try that on me and I’ll just use a water glass as an emergency
receptacle. You Have Been Warned.

But seriously — if the judges have been chosen carefully and the clerk
empowered to be a vocal timekeeper, they should be able to keep
personalities out of it and come back in the allotted time.

Kevin

On 6/8/2011 4:35 PM, Nora wrote:
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> The judges can have as much water as they like but NO bathroom.
> Speeds up the judging process.
>
> Nora
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2291 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: Re: Another idea while our brains are working

All together now, “…and don’t call me Shirley!”

On 6/8/2011 8:28 PM, Elaine Mami wrote:
> Cstumers with personalities? Shirley you jest!!
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> Elaine
> Nil significat nisi oscillat!
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> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: chair@cc26.org
> Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 17:20:11 -0700
> Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: Another idea while our brains are working
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> Try that on me and I’ll just use a water glass as an emergency
> receptacle. You Have Been Warned.
>
> But seriously — if the judges have been chosen carefully and the clerk
> empowered to be a vocal timekeeper, they should be able to keep
> personalities out of it and come back in the allotted time.
>
> Kevin
>
> On 6/8/2011 4:35 PM, Nora wrote:
>> The judges can have as much water as they like but NO bathroom.
>> Speeds up the judging process.
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>> Nora
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Group: runacc Message: 2292 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 6/9/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion

At 12:28 PM 6/7/2011, you wrote:

And a couple of Tackycon Mid-Wests as well.

Pierre

>
>
>There was also a Tackycon West, held at the rec center at Fran Evan’s
>complex, as I recall. I came as the costumers’ superhero, SuperGlue. I
>recall grossing out some annoying “V” fans by eating gummi worms with
>quacamole.
>
>I *don’t* know if there is video from its masquerade.
>
>Kevin
>
>On 6/7/2011 5:16 AM, Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:
> >
> > Depends on the Tackycon. I seem to recall there is one in the Archives
> > here
> > (you might have given it to us), that might be the one you’re
> > referring to.
> > I’ve not watched it, nor do I believe it’s been digitized yet.
> >
> > Bruce
> >
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International Costumers’ Guild Archivist

http://www.costume.org/gallery2/main.php

“Those Who Fail to Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly –
Why They Are Simply Doomed.”

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Group: runacc Message: 2293 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/22/2011
Subject: Questions for former con chairs.
Hi All,

I’m working on the expectations outline for CC32 and I want to check against previous Costume Cons. If you could help by answering
a few questions, (and giving personal observations of what worked and what didn’t if you feel they’ll be helpful), I will be very appreciative.
I have ideas of how I would like things to run, but having what has gone before/what is expected at a Costume Con as a guideline will be very helpful.
I know what I’ve seen and experienced by my own observation but I’d like do draw on the experiences of others particularly those who
have done it before.
Thank you. Cheers! 🙂 ~Dawn

What day did you take possession of your function rooms at the hotel? What day/time did your dealers set up?What day/time did your dealers tare down?
What time did your exhibits rooms set up?
What day/time did you start taring down
How early did your consuite open?Programming during the masquerades, yes/no?Tours, better on one day? or on either end of the regular convention weekend?More to come

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Group: runacc Message: 2294 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/22/2011
Subject: Re: Questions for former con chairs.

Dawn –
Most of this applies to CC’s 3; 9; 15; and 27. (Yes, there is a reason
why we didn’t do 21. You can ask Ricky for the ugly details.)
1- What day did you take possession of your function rooms at the hotel?
What day/time did your dealers set up?What day/time did your dealers
tare down?

I moved into the Hotels Thursday before the convention. (Wednesday for
CC-27) Checked to make certain that the function rooms with the
exception of the “Main Tent” were set up and ready for us at o’dark
early on Friday. Main Tent was cleared for start of set up Friday
morning. For CC-27, the hotel actually cleared and set up all except
for 4 function rooms Wednesday night so we were able to bring in some
Tech equipment on Thursday and began setting up our “Main Tent” on
Thursday afternoon. One of the lockable function rooms with outside
access was turned over to us on Thursday so that we could load and store
equipment. The remaining function rooms were set up Thursday night.
Dealers started setting up 8 AM on Friday morning. Goal was to have the
Dealers Room open by 4 PM on Friday.
For CC-3 Dealers Room closed on Sunday, all dealers out by Noon on
Monday. For the others, Dealers Room closed some time on Monday, Dealers
out by midnight Monday.

2- What time did your exhibits rooms set up?
CC-3 and CC-9 Exhibits were in the center of the Dealers Room. Exhibits
started setting up 8 AM on Friday. CC-15 if I remember correctly,
Exhibits were in a function room on an upper floor and set up started on
Thursday night when we got the keys. CC-27 Exhibits were in the
Function room that we had gotten early for storage, so partial set up
started on Thursday (panels assembled and put in place) and continued on
Friday as exhibitors arrived and stored equipment removed.

3- What day/time did you start taring down?
Started Monday morning. CC-3 finished Monday by noon. CC’s 9, 15, and
27 completed tear down by Monday midnight for all room.

4- How early did your consuite open?Programming during the masquerades,
yes/no?Tours, better on one day? or on either end of the regular
convention weekend?
Consuites opened between 4 and 5 PM on Friday
No programming during the masquerades
Tours mostly planned before the conventions; CC-27 I believe had tours
both before and after. I’m not sure if any were planned for Fridays.

That should get you started.
Marty

On 6/22/2011 3:11 PM, Kaijugal . wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I’m working on the expectations outline for CC32 and I want to check
> against previous Costume Cons. If you could help by answering
> a few questions, (and giving personal observations of what worked and
> what didn’t if you feel they’ll be helpful), I will be very appreciative.
> I have ideas of how I would like things to run, but having what has
> gone before/what is expected at a Costume Con as a guideline will be
> very helpful.
> I know what I’ve seen and experienced by my own observation but I’d
> like do draw on the experiences of others particularly those who
> have done it before.
> Thank you. Cheers! 🙂 ~Dawn
>
> What day did you take possession of your function rooms at the hotel?
> What day/time did your dealers set up?What day/time did your dealers
> tare down?
> What time did your exhibits rooms set up?
> What day/time did you start taring down
> How early did your consuite open?Programming during the masquerades,
> yes/no?Tours, better on one day? or on either end of the regular
> convention weekend?More to come
>
>
>
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>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2295 From: Nora Date: 6/22/2011
Subject: Re: Questions for former con chairs.

CC16 & 25
Took possesion on Friday night for most function space, but some on Thursday night.
Dealers set up Friday morning both times, opened in the afternoon.
Dealer tear down on Monday afternoon for both, room was open until noon, maybe a little after.
Exhibits set up Thursday night at 16, Friday at 25 (I think). Took them down Monday afternoon.
Consuite opened on Thursday evening, closed during large events.
No programming during masqs.
Tours – mostly scheduled for Thursday, some on Friday. Some small stuff on Monday.

Nora

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Kaijugal .” <kaijugal@…> wrote:
> What day did you take possession of your function rooms at the hotel? What day/time did your dealers set up?What day/time did your dealers tare down?
> What time did your exhibits rooms set up?
> What day/time did you start taring down
> How early did your consuite open?Programming during the masquerades, yes/no?Tours, better on one day? or on either end of the regular convention weekend?More to come

 

Group: runacc Message: 2296 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 6/23/2011
Subject: Re: Questions for former con chairs.

At 02:11 PM 6/22/2011, you wrote:

Nora has already answered for CC 25. for CC10 and 24

>What day did you take possession of your function rooms at the
>hotel? What day/time did your dealers set up?What day/time did your
>dealers tare down?

Thursday for CC10. IRRC, we got CC24’s space on Wednesday evening.

>What time did your exhibits rooms set up?

For 10 and 24 on Friday morning. Due to arrival times of attendees
you always will have things drifting in throughout the day.

>What day/time did you start tearing down

Monday at about 10 or so

>How early did your consuite open?

Thursday evening.

>Programming during the masquerades, yes/no?

Absolutely nothing scheduled against the masquerades or the Future
Fashion Show/Single Pattern. The latter could be scheduled during the
Friday Night Social PROVIDED that it is in the same room as the
Social and announced as a feature of the Social.

>Tours, better on one day? or on either end of the regular convention weekend?

Either side (actually both sides) work well so long as you announce
well in advance.

Pierre

>More to come

International Costumers’ Guild Archivist

http://www.costume.org/gallery2/main.php

“Those Who Fail to Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly –
Why They Are Simply Doomed.”

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C. Y. 4971

Andromeda

 

Group: runacc Message: 2297 From: Margie Date: 6/24/2011
Subject: Re: Questions for former con chairs.

For CC30 — Our PLANS are to:

Get Exhibits/Dolls/Quilts/Puppets Room set up Thursday night if possible.

Get Dealers’ Room set up Thursday night if possible. We have the Dealers’ Room contracted until midnight Monday night, so my hope is to have it open through Monday afternoon, if that seems reasonable.

ConSuite gets the room on Wednesday, so should be ready to roll by noon or so on Thursday.

I believe we are not scheduling any Programming opposite any of the Big Events, and ConSuite will be closed then too. Our Friday Night Social will also host the CC Runway competition and the Single Pattern Show.

We’ll have Tours scheduled before and after the convention, and at least one small one on Friday as well.

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Pierre & Sandy Pettinger <costumrs@…> wrote:
>
> At 02:11 PM 6/22/2011, you wrote:
>
> Nora has already answered for CC 25. for CC10 and 24
>
> >What day did you take possession of your function rooms at the
> >hotel? What day/time did your dealers set up?What day/time did your
> >dealers tare down?
>
> Thursday for CC10. IRRC, we got CC24’s space on Wednesday evening.
>
> >What time did your exhibits rooms set up?
>
> For 10 and 24 on Friday morning. Due to arrival times of attendees
> you always will have things drifting in throughout the day.
>
> >What day/time did you start tearing down
>
> Monday at about 10 or so
>
> >How early did your consuite open?
>
> Thursday evening.
>
> >Programming during the masquerades, yes/no?
>
> Absolutely nothing scheduled against the masquerades or the Future
> Fashion Show/Single Pattern. The latter could be scheduled during the
> Friday Night Social PROVIDED that it is in the same room as the
> Social and announced as a feature of the Social.
>
> >Tours, better on one day? or on either end of the regular convention weekend?
>
> Either side (actually both sides) work well so long as you announce
> well in advance.
>
> Pierre
>
> >More to come
>
> International Costumers’ Guild Archivist
>
> http://www.costume.org/gallery2/main.php
>
> “Those Who Fail to Learn History
> Are Doomed to Repeat It;
> Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly –
> Why They Are Simply Doomed.”
>
> Achemdro’hm
> “The Illusion of Historical Fact”
> — C. Y. 4971
>
> Andromeda
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2298 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 6/29/2011
Subject: Names on Photographs, etc
I’m trying to reassure my brother, so excuse the obvious. Next year I’m
bringing my niece to costume con. She’s a costume diva and loves it when
she gets new outfits, so we designed an entry for her. My mom will also be
attending to help herd her. My brother is worried, though, about her online
presence. He doesn’t really want her name attached to her face widely
online before she’s graduated kindergarten (understandable, imo). I’ve told
him to google all my pictures and see how they’re all labeled with “Aurora
Celeste” and not my real name, but he’s worried that for some reason her
legal name will need to be used because he signed a minor release form in
that name. I told him the announcer’s form is a totally separate form and
he shouldn’t be worried. Anyway, long story short, is there any possibility
that I’m wrong and a reason her legal name would need to be used either by
the announcer, on an entrant list, or in a gallery after the show? Also, is
there any way to find out if there will be additional forms at the con that
would need to be signed ahead of time like there was with Penny this year?

Thanks,

Aurora

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Group: runacc Message: 2299 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/29/2011
Subject: Re: Names on Photographs, etc

not unless we force trixyloup wolf to start entering as Silvie Lauren

If its the SF/F, you can be assured I will only say what she wants said

Gravely MacCabre
http://www.castleblood.com
http://facebook.com/gravelymaccabre
http://etsy.com/shops/gravelymaccabre

tv show clip samples at
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— On Wed, 6/29/11, Aurora Celeste <auroraceleste@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Aurora Celeste <auroraceleste@gmail.com>
Subject: [runacc] Names on Photographs, etc
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 29, 2011, 12:19 AM

I’m trying to reassure my brother, so excuse the obvious. Next year I’m
bringing my niece to costume con. She’s a costume diva and loves it when
she gets new outfits, so we designed an entry for her. My mom will also be
attending to help herd her. My brother is worried, though, about her online
presence. He doesn’t really want her name attached to her face widely
online before she’s graduated kindergarten (understandable, imo). I’ve told
him to google all my pictures and see how they’re all labeled with “Aurora
Celeste” and not my real name, but he’s worried that for some reason her
legal name will need to be used because he signed a minor release form in
that name. I told him the announcer’s form is a totally separate form and
he shouldn’t be worried. Anyway, long story short, is there any possibility
that I’m wrong and a reason her legal name would need to be used either by
the announcer, on an entrant list, or in a gallery after the show? Also, is
there any way to find out if there will be additional forms at the con that
would need to be signed ahead of time like there was with Penny this year?

Thanks,

Aurora

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Group: runacc Message: 2300 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/29/2011
Subject: Re: Names on Photographs, etc

As far as the ICGallery is concerned:
We frequently label photos with aliases (con names) on the Gallery. If known to us, we like to put the person’s real name in the keywords (non-visible) so folks who know them by that name can find them.

Or vice-versa for some folks. We also put alternate names (maiden name, previous married names, etc.) for some folks as well.

If someone were to specifically request to be “labelled” a certain way, we can absolutely accomodate that.

Obviously I can’t speak for other websites.

Nora

— On Tue, 6/28/11, Aurora Celeste <auroraceleste@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Aurora Celeste <auroraceleste@gmail.com>
Subject: [runacc] Names on Photographs, etc
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 28, 2011, 11:19 PM

I’m trying to reassure my brother, so excuse the obvious.  Next year I’m
bringing my niece to costume con.  She’s a costume diva and loves it when
she gets new outfits, so we designed an entry for her.  My mom will also be
attending to help herd her.  My brother is worried, though, about her online
presence.  He doesn’t really want her name attached to her face widely
online before she’s graduated kindergarten (understandable, imo).  I’ve told
him to google all my pictures and see how they’re all labeled with “Aurora
Celeste” and not my real name, but he’s worried that for some reason her
legal name will need to be used because he signed a minor release form in
that name.  I told him the announcer’s form is a totally separate form and
he shouldn’t be worried.  Anyway, long story short, is there any possibility
that I’m wrong and a reason her legal name would need to be used either by
the announcer, on an entrant list, or in a gallery after the show?  Also, is
there any way to find out if there will be additional forms at the con that
would need to be signed ahead of time like there was with Penny this year?

Thanks,

Aurora

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Group: runacc Message: 2201 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/8/2011
Subject: Re: What, silence on CC29?
Group: runacc Message: 2202 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/9/2011
Subject: Re: What, silence on CC29?
Group: runacc Message: 2203 From: Kaijugal . Date: 5/9/2011
Subject: Re: What, silence on CC29?
Group: runacc Message: 2204 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/10/2011
Subject: Re: What, silence on CC29?
Group: runacc Message: 2205 From: Elaine Mami Date: 5/10/2011
Subject: Re: What, silence on CC29?
Group: runacc Message: 2206 From: Dora Buck Date: 5/10/2011
Subject: Re: What, silence on CC29?
Group: runacc Message: 2207 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: SLCG CC29 Review/Report – Before the con
Group: runacc Message: 2208 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: The SLCG CC29 Review/Report – Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 2209 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: The SLCG Review/Report – Registration
Group: runacc Message: 2210 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: The SLCG CC29 Review/Report – The Hotel
Group: runacc Message: 2211 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: The SLCG CC29 Review/Report – Exhibits
Group: runacc Message: 2212 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: The SLCG CC29 Review/Report – On Site Pubs
Group: runacc Message: 2213 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: The SLCG CC29 Review/Report – Programming
Group: runacc Message: 2214 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: The SLCG CC29 Review/Report – Friday Night Social
Group: runacc Message: 2215 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/23/2011
Subject: The SLCG CC28 Review/Report continues – F & SF masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 2216 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/23/2011
Subject: The SLCG CC29 Review/Report continues – FFS & SP show
Group: runacc Message: 2217 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/23/2011
Subject: The SLCG CC29 Review/Report – Historical Masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 2218 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/23/2011
Subject: The SLCG CC29 Review/Report – Photography
Group: runacc Message: 2219 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/23/2011
Subject: The SLCG CC29 Review/Report – Final Thoughts
Group: runacc Message: 2220 From: Nora Date: 5/30/2011
Subject: Costume-Con 30 FFF update
Group: runacc Message: 2221 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: Post CC stuff: Notes for future committees
Group: runacc Message: 2222 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion
Group: runacc Message: 2223 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion
Group: runacc Message: 2224 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion
Group: runacc Message: 2225 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion
Group: runacc Message: 2226 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – Expense of Memberships
Group: runacc Message: 2227 From: Nora Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion
Group: runacc Message: 2228 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion
Group: runacc Message: 2229 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion
Group: runacc Message: 2230 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion
Group: runacc Message: 2231 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC stuff: Notes for future committees
Group: runacc Message: 2232 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: At-the-door reg (was Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions f
Group: runacc Message: 2233 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion
Group: runacc Message: 2234 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion
Group: runacc Message: 2235 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion
Group: runacc Message: 2236 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: LAA (was: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inc
Group: runacc Message: 2237 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – Expense of Memberships
Group: runacc Message: 2238 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion
Group: runacc Message: 2239 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: Misperceptions and questions
Group: runacc Message: 2240 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion
Group: runacc Message: 2241 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: Re: Misperceptions and questions
Group: runacc Message: 2242 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: Re: Misperceptions and questions
Group: runacc Message: 2243 From: Nora Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
Group: runacc Message: 2244 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: Re: LAA (was: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer
Group: runacc Message: 2245 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
Group: runacc Message: 2246 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
Group: runacc Message: 2247 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: Re: LAA (was: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer
Group: runacc Message: 2248 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/5/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
Group: runacc Message: 2249 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion
Group: runacc Message: 2250 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion

 


 

Group: runacc Message: 2201 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/8/2011
Subject: Re: What, silence on CC29?

On 5/8/2011 5:17 PM, Byron Connell wrote:

> Andy, may I have permission to cross-post your comments to the SLUTs? We’re working on our own critique and probably would benefit from some of your comments that differ from those expressed on that list. To the CC29 staff list, too.

Go ahead, both are OK with me.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 2202 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/9/2011
Subject: Re: What, silence on CC29?

Great, lots of folks aren’t on here.

As for not posting here yet – hadn’t got here yet & then didn’t know that
you had. Our Outlook has a problem with the runacc posts, keeps putting them
in the spam folder no matter what we try.

I have to keep checking it & hadn’t done so in a couple of days J

Stupid Outlook.

Nora

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Andrew T Trembley
Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 7:19 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Byron Connell
Subject: Re: [runacc] What, silence on CC29?

On 5/8/2011 5:17 PM, Byron Connell wrote:
> Andy, may I have permission to cross-post your comments to the SLUTs?
We’re working on our own critique and probably would benefit from some of
your comments that differ from those expressed on that list. To the CC29
staff list, too.

Go ahead, both are OK with me.

andy

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Group: runacc Message: 2203 From: Kaijugal . Date: 5/9/2011
Subject: Re: What, silence on CC29?
I’ve made a point of encouraging a couple of new friends to come every year, i.e. “The Montrealers”.
There were actually several new friends again this year, including other Canadians _not_ from Montreal. ;D LOL
I know most people can’t tell the difference. ;D
~Dawn

…but the lack of novice and journeyman entries shows up that we’re not
reaching enough new people.

This is a bad thing. I know a lot of people like the quiet, intimate,
“everyone here is my friend” kind of vibe when, well, it’s mostly the
same people we see every year, but we can’t depend on that. The
Montrealers have been a breath of fresh air, but we need more new
people. We need enough new people that some of them decide to make this
an annual thing and we keep developing a strong core group that’s
interested in working the cons too.

andy

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Group: runacc Message: 2204 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/10/2011
Subject: Re: What, silence on CC29?
Good review. We’re saying a lot of similar things on the SLUTS list. I’m
in the process of putting together our review right now, but it still has to
go through review, then get cleaned up before the RUNACC list.

I agree about needing to get more new people. I think we’re starting to see
more, but not nearly at as fast a rate as we need. Promotion is still
uneven, but the cost factor is also an issue, and I’m not sure how to solve
that.

Yay for our enthusiastic Canadians for bringing down so many new people!

Bruce

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Andrew T Trembley
Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 5:43 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] What, silence on CC29?

To start, there was a great deal of “excellent” in this con, and not
just because someone did a Bill & Ted entry.

Hotel:
We could have done without the school kids and the Governor, but kudos
to the committee for dealing with those issues.

Hotel lay-out was a bit weird, the function room layout made it feel
simultaneously spread-out, claustrophobic and ghettoized, but there was
nothing the convention could really do about it.

While there were good servers in the restaurant and the food was decent,
service was pretty bad. This is an endemic problem in Hilton properties
these days, and a common problem with hotel restaurant management that
just doesn’t believe we need to eat. It doesn’t really reflect on the
committee.

The “Sky Room” for Friday night was great.

The ballroom for masquerade wasn’t optimal, but it’s what they had. Size
was good, but the low ceilings were a handicap.

I’ll let people in the shows comment definitively on the location and
size of green room. The location and path looked OK to me.

The suite for consuite was a good layout and size except at the busiest
times.

Reg:
Quick and efficient when I picked up. There were a few times (like
before F&SF) that it should have been open to sell masquerade tickets (I
was there when two women showed up who were just coming in to help an
entrant and the reg desk couldn’t sell tickets).

Tech:
What can I say? The gang is excellent and dealt successfully with
fucked-up rental agencies. They made the best of the low ceilings in the
ballroom. Joel, Larry and the rest of technofandom are always a joy to
work with.

Consuite:
Mostly excellent, except for the Friday night early closure (which was
very visible). I’m going to say what Betsy said to us when she found out
that CDs weren’t ripped and data entry was slow because of staffing
issues: Ask for help, at the first sign of trouble. Ask past and future
chairs if there’s someone attending who might have the necessary skills
to fill in. I would have helped. We ran hospitality at World Fantasy
2009, partially to verify whether or not we had really learned from
issues at CC26 (we avoided those same issues).

The Phoenix and Canada parties were fabulous.

Dealers’ Room:
Small, but quality. Nice variety. Having everything in one secureable
room would have been better, but you match demands and space as you can.

Exhibits/Hats/Dolls:
A little slow to start, but beautiful and varied. Kudos to the
organizers for getting so many people to show, and to everyone who showed.

Program:
People went to panels. Nearly every panel I saw, walked by or was on had
an audience (sometimes light, but an audience). Workshops appeared to be
very popular and well-attended.

Friday night social:
It felt like a social. The amateur theatricals were decent. It was a lot
of fun.

F&SF Masquerade:
Except for Chrism’s fall, great. I’ve heard a few complaints about Judy
Mitchell’s abruptness as a workmanship judge (and not just from Carole,
she was just loudest and most public as usual) but I’ve been referring
those to the directors. I expect we’ll hear complaints about awards. The
distribution of entrants among divisions is a bit worrying. I’ll cover
that at the end.

Fashion Show/Single Pattern:
With a half-and-half distribution? How did that happen? We saw a strong
group of fashion show entries and a strong group of single pattern
entries. The show ran smoothly. Very good. It was a bit late in the
afternoon, though, and I’m wondering how much that impacted tech
rehearsal for historical.

Historical:
Mostly excellent. Also the same concern about distribution of entries
among the divisions. I heard complaints about rehearsal and pre-judging
delays, along with how long the judging interval was. Award delays were
made worse by the lack of half-time entertainment (after the photo run).
Kevin can address the view from the inside.

Dead Dog:
Eric and Sue re-running the masquerades was cool, and it was nice giving
folks who missed the video masq submissions a chance to see them.

Promotion:
I said that I was concerned about the distribution of entrants. We’re
talking a huge proportion of master entries in each competition. Now
it’s really cool that we have that many master entries, and it makes for
a real blockbuster of a show…

…but the lack of novice and journeyman entries shows up that we’re not
reaching enough new people.

This is a bad thing. I know a lot of people like the quiet, intimate,
“everyone here is my friend” kind of vibe when, well, it’s mostly the
same people we see every year, but we can’t depend on that. The
Montrealers have been a breath of fresh air, but we need more new
people. We need enough new people that some of them decide to make this
an annual thing and we keep developing a strong core group that’s
interested in working the cons too.

andy

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Group: runacc Message: 2205 From: Elaine Mami Date: 5/10/2011
Subject: Re: What, silence on CC29?
Sorry, Dawn, but y’all look alike to us!

Elaine
Nil significat nisi oscillat!

I’ve made a point of encouraging a couple of new friends to come every year, i.e. “The Montrealers”.
There were actually several new friends again this year, including other Canadians _not_ from Montreal. ;D LOL
I know most people can’t tell the difference. ;D
~Dawn

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Group: runacc Message: 2206 From: Dora Buck Date: 5/10/2011
Subject: Re: What, silence on CC29?
dawn, don’t believe her, we all look alike – we dress up and no one can tell us
apart or who we are!!!!
Dora Buck
who is now going to be sewing and competing instead of running it

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From: Elaine Mami <ecmami@hotmail.com>
To: Betsy D <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, May 10, 2011 6:27:05 PM
Subject: RE: [runacc] What, silence on CC29?

Sorry, Dawn, but y’all look alike to us!

Elaine
Nil significat nisi oscillat!

I’ve made a point of encouraging a couple of new friends to come every year,
i.e. “The Montrealers”.

There were actually several new friends again this year, including other
Canadians _not_ from Montreal. ;D LOL
I know most people can’t tell the difference. ;D
~Dawn

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Group: runacc Message: 2207 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: SLCG CC29 Review/Report – Before the con
Time once again for the Costume-Con review as seen through the eyes of
members of the SLUTS and their friends. This is more of a summarized
version of the “warts & all”
review that was posted on the SLCG’s Yahoo Group. There will be some
details, for the purposes of the folks on this list to be aware of, as
organizers. Some additional stuff may appear in the ICG newsletter. A
much condensed version has already appeared on the CC30 Google list.

Right off the bat, we want to say that any criticisms were mainly nitpicks –
we had a pretty good time at CC29. Many of the problems we will point out
are recurring mistakes committees either fail to anticipate, etc. There
were only minor annoyances and questions people spoke up about on the list.
The main thing that seemed to be a problem for this convention (and this
seems to be an ongoing CC problem) was lapses in communication at times.

BEFORE THE CON

There seemed to be a lack of co-ordination of publicity. There were
regular updates on Facebook, but there was practically no representation on
the Costume-Con Yahoo Group (which has some 60 – 70 members), or the D-List
(which boasts 300+ members) or the Cosplay.com forum, where many cosplayers
are finding out about CC. We recommend to future committees to make sure
there is someone able to monitor all these venues. It can make a valuable
first impression when there’s a friendly presence out there. They can also
provide useful early feedback to the committee or squash incorrect
impressions/rumors before they get out of hand. Finally, any information
needs to be posted on all these places – not just Facebook or just the CC
list, etc.

And while we understand it gets tedious to have to constantly answer the
same questions over and over, it’s just not a good policy to say “go to our
website” – where the questioner then has to click around to find the info.
People are lazy – they don’t want to have to work for it. Either post a
direct link or take the opportunity to not only answer the question but also
add any other info that might be pertinent. It would have been nice to
either have a second PR closer to the con. We don’t really have a problem
with it only being published on the web – hopefully there were some paper
ones handed out for promotional purposes, but we don’t know for sure.
Semi-related to before-the-con impressions – a few words about hotel
reservations. There seemed to be a constant problem with getting
reservations correct. To the con committee’s credit, every time they were
made aware of a problem, they were fairly quick about looking into it, but
we’re not sure why this happened multiple times. This is another contact
point that can set the tone for a convention-goer – especially the new ones.
Upon arrival, there was at least two instances where the reservation was
still incorrect, but turned out to be okay. Nonetheless, we suspect there
were more. Why this continued to be difficult, we’re not sure. We’ve
gotten later info that explained some of the reasons why the hotel kept
changing up the reservations, and hopefully, that won’t be a problem in the
future.

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Group: runacc Message: 2208 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: The SLCG CC29 Review/Report – Con Suite
Having run 2 CCs ourselves, we recognize that con committees often have
little choice on the size of the room used for the con suite, but we did get
complaints about the size. And being too warm.

General Con Suite observations: The convention-supplied snacks were a bit
sparse and unimaginative. However, we heard that some supplies were
either late getting put out or not put out at all. There needed to be
better monitoring on making sure there were plenty of cold drinks. Also,
there wasn’t as much variety as we would have liked to have seen. Given
the hotel alternative, though, we appreciated the modest breakfast supplies
(ie. sweet rolls, bagels, milk, orange juice, etc.). Not having to go out
and hunt for the morning meal was a big plus.

Sponsors: Speaking of breakfasts, having sponsored breakfasts – an excellent
idea. Really appreciated the boiled eggs from Poison Pen Press. We’re a
big fan of protein as an integral part of a con suite’s supplies. Also,
liked the fact that something as simple as the cheese cubes and pepperoni
slices in one of the parties gave you two of the necessary components for
pizza. The Canadians’ CC32 suite party, after the Historical masquerade,
rocked the house with fresh crepes, maple flavored liqueurs and cookies.

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Group: runacc Message: 2209 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: The SLCG Review/Report – Registration
The concom gets a thumbs up for being prepared and having pre-reg
memberships ready for pickup in the Con Suite on Thursday night. Also,
having them available at the Friday Night Social was a very good idea. In
the past, late arrivals have feared they can’t enter if they haven’t picked
up their packets yet.

We found it odd was that, if you wanted a lanyard for your membership badge,
you had to pay for it. Most times, these are included as part of your
membership. Would it have cost that much more for a relatively inexpensive
item?

A nice touch was including a little sewing kit with the packets. These were
apparently donated by Byron and Tina Connell, because the con was strapped
for cash for a while.

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Group: runacc Message: 2210 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: The SLCG CC29 Review/Report – The Hotel
It seemed to be about the right size for the convention. Meeting spaces
were adequate. One complaint heard often over the weekend was the lack of
consistency of temperature in the various rooms. Either the staff was not
hearing about this, or didn’t have access to the controls, or didn’t bother
to notify the hotel staff about problems. Another complaint was the seeming
stinginess of small tables.

The hotel rooms were fairly typical, size-wise, but the closet space was
woefully inadequate. Given that this seems often to be the case, if you
know this will be a problem, recommending guests bring along a portable rack
to hang costumes on isn’t the worst idea in the world. There appeared to be
hotel reservation problems on people’s arrival, but I believe that’s already
been covered, so we won’t go into details again.

Speaking of parking, that was another point of interest, regarding
communication by the con committee. There was a question before the
convention about whether there was a parking fee. At first, the concom
waffled about it, but eventually the answer was (and was posted on the
website – not sure about the timing) it was $10 per day. After the weekend
was over, though, we weren’t charged for parking, so that was a nice
surprise.

The restaurant, had a limited fare, but it was overpriced (at least, to a
Midwesterner’s point of view, but Byron concurred). There were no other
choices within walking distance, so if you didn’t have access to
transportation, you were stuck. A printed list of nearby restaurants was
somewhat helpful, but a map with them marked out would have been better, so
people had an idea of how far away they were. The hotel bar was located in
the restaurant, with only 6 stools, so that limited its usefulness. There
was also no common area where people could hang out and socialize. There
was supposedly a heated pool, but it was closed, and once again, no hot tub.
We haven’t particularly liked this trend in CC hotels over the past few
years!

The hotel staff was friendly and helpful. The housekeeping staff got high
marks for responding quickly with room supply requests. On the other hand,
English was the second language in the restaurant.

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Group: runacc Message: 2211 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: The SLCG CC29 Review/Report – Exhibits
First impressions: good sized rooms, but suffered from warm temperatures.
More importantly, there were serious problems with organization of this
room. First of all, there was no guidance as to where to put things to
exhibit. Also, there was an inadequate number of display mannequins, so
many items that were brought to show never got exhibited properly or rotated
out on the mannequins – they were put on a clothes rack with no
identification at all. Signage was incomplete, with scant information or
context. On top of all this, the rooms were unguarded. Fortunately,
Costume-Cons aren’t a real high security risk, but there were other guests
of the hotel (including a busload of teenagers) who could have wandered in
without much notice. There were tables manned by various people across the
hall from the exhibit rooms, but it wouldn’t have been impossible to make
off with something – like the doll competition entries.

This having been said, the quality of the items that did get displayed was
fairly good. The number of dolls shown was smallish, but all interesting,
and the hat competition was interesting, as well.

As part of the ongoing communication problems with the con, there was no
mention in publications or announcements of when exhibits could be picked up
on Monday morning. Upon asking about, the answer was it would be open
Sunday morning at 9:00 AM. That morning, no one had arrived to unlock the
doors after 35 minutes. Finally, one of the other con staff requested that
the hotel staff unlock the doors.

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Group: runacc Message: 2212 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: The SLCG CC29 Review/Report – On Site Pubs
The most serious communication lapses with the convention were in related to
programming.

1. While some of us didn’t have as big a problem with it, at least one
person we polled felt that the list of panels in the Program Book should
have had the scheduled times published. Most of us just referred to the
Pocket Program.
Besides, we’ve been told most people don’t read their Program Books until
after the convention. So take that with a grain of salt.

2. More importantly, nowhere in the publications was there any listing
of which people were in what panels. The only way speakers could learn
where they were to appear was either by an email from the Programming
Director before the con, or a list (by name, not panel title) posted on a
wall near Registration. And anyone who attended a panel had no idea who the
speakers were unless they introduced themselves.

3. There was no signage to speak of, to direct people to the function
spaces, meeting rooms or the Con Suite. There was no map of the hotel,
either. A kiosk (like at CC25 and 27) or some other sort of bulletin board
that

was more readable and posted changes would have eased things.

4. The Pocket Program was readable, but truncated, and at least one
title did not match the listings in the PB.

5. The Con Suite times should have been listed on the Pocket Program.

6. Other things that should have been published: Green Room opening
times, the masquerades, the Fashion Show, Dealers Room hours, who was
sponsoring the Con Suite at what times (and maybe a thank you for doing so).

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Group: runacc Message: 2213 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: The SLCG CC29 Review/Report – Programming
Most people felt the selection and breadth of panel subjects was pretty
good, and almost all of them were well attended. They also all ran on time.
We have a number of individual comments on some panels:

1. The people on the “Next Big Thing: Costume-Cons Yet to Come” panel
were not well prepared for questions. Only the Canadian bid seemed to have
ready answers.

2. Several panels could have used moderators. Either one speaker
dominated discussions, or they lacked focus. We would like to recommend
to the future committee Program Directors that they assign one person on the
panel to keep things on track.

3. Not all panel descriptions were accurate – having the speakers
themselves write the Program text (if you can get them to do it) would solve
this problem.

4. The PB listed the “Hats and Headpieces” panel was a “last minute
change in programming”. That’s probably why only one speaker showed up
because no plans were made to add any people who may have dropped off.

5. One of the speakers was not included in the pre-planning of the
knitting and crochet workshop. It wound up that most attendees were more
interested in crocheting, than knitting.

6. A number of people said that, while they were flattered to be asked
to be on panels, they felt over-scheduled.

7. Some felt there was not enough programming on Monday to justify
staying the extra day. This is an ongoing debate in a lot of circles. One
suggestion is perhaps to repeat some panels from earlier in the weekend, but
this is heavily dependent on speakers’ availability. It’s almost a chicken
or the egg conundrum: how to you get people to stay Monday if there’s no
programming, but how to you get speakers to stay over if everyone leaves?

8. There was little or no thought given to schedule changes. In one
particular incident, one of our folks found out that their Monday panel time
had changed by reading it in the convention daily newsletter that they
happened to come across in the Con Suite. If they had not known this, they
would have missed their panel.

A final note: in discussion on the CC30 list, and also on Cosplay.com, newer
people who spoke up seemed to be less impressed with the subject matter in
panels. They’re apparently looking for more advanced techniques to learn
and are less interested in panel discussions. The CC30 committee recognizes
that Programming is going to have to step up its game a bit to have more
appeal to the younger, newer people we’re starting to attract In more
numbers. (More on this later)

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Group: runacc Message: 2214 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: The SLCG CC29 Review/Report – Friday Night Social
The ballroom on the 12th floor was very nice, with a good view of Manhattan
in the distance. There was a traffic flow problem where people exited the
elevators, due to photographers and the “maitre d'” who was supposed to
announce arrivals and take “tips” (drawing tickets). The cash bar was
expensive ($4 for a soda or water? Seriously?).

Several people commented that they didn’t feel compelled to wear something
in line with the theme. Most people
wore something “formal-ish”, rather than dress as their favorite Broadway
character, etc. Mercifully, the music wasn’t so loud that you couldn’t
carry on a
conversation.

“Refreshments”: As one person put it, “Lamest – food – ever!” There was,
maybe, two smallish plates of vegetables. We presume this was because
having the

Hotel cater would have been expensive? Good thing Nora was surprised with a
big
birthday cake during the evening. (Again, thanks to the concom for
arranging this!)

The reasons for the “funny money” wasn’t well explained, but at least the
members’ names were on the back. The
drawings were fun, and there were some nice prizes (including stuff from the
future CCs), but it would have been better to spread them out, rather than
do them all at once, because once the drawings were over, people started
drifting back to their rooms.

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Group: runacc Message: 2215 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/23/2011
Subject: The SLCG CC28 Review/Report continues – F & SF masquerade
Tech rehearsals seemed to go well, with no problems with people running late
or hogging time. “Issues” started early with the Green Room, though. It
was too small for the number of entries, and too warm. Why no one
re-arranged the chairs from the way the hotel did them so they’d be useful
is a mystery,
There were also no tables to set props and costume bits on, or clothing
racks to hang them on. No mirrors. And even though the room was open at
6:00 pm, there must have been a miscommunication about when Green Room crew
were supposed to be there and be available to entrants.

. The Masquerade Directors arrived at 6:10.

. The Workmanship Judge and clerk arrived around 6:10.

. The Den Mothers arrived shortly before 6:30 – not good.

. The repair table person arrived around 6:45. No reports of
“wardrobe malfunctions”. Was the kit available before that? Also, not
good.

. The Official Photographer – was late (40 – 45 minutes – more on
him, later).

The Green Room Director came in for a lot of criticism. They were,
reportedly, also late, because they had left the Green Room to find a needy
costumer a portable CD player so they could practice their
presentation(???). They were not organized – the dens had not been divided
up, nor had the “den moms” been assigned nor given any direction. This may
have been one reason why the inexperienced Den Mom had no clue at all.

Meanwhile, entrants were filing in, starting at 6:00, but the GRD couldn’t
seem to properly check the people in, nor tell them what den they were in.
Was that because they didn’t have a running list?
This caused people to wander around, waiting for instructions. And, for
some reason, they never appeared to get out from behind the check in table
to observe how conditions were in other parts of the room. It was reported
that the Green Room Director had never worked a CC masquerade before, and
was unaware that judges reference photos were needed, thus forcing the MDs
to scramble to get a digital camera, and one of them wound up shooting those
pictures. Someone also mentioned that the food they were eating should not
have been in the GR, in case of an accident with someone’s costume.

We heard several complaints about the Workmanship judging. Among others,
the judge insisted on taking people in running order(??). The Judges Clerk
acted more like a judge than a clerk at times. Most complaints centered
around the Judge’s time management. They started out giving the early
entrants generous amounts of time to talk about their costumes, but because
they had arrived late (and the Green Room Director had not set aside a place
to work), they felt pressured to spend less and less time with following
entries. As a result, the Judge came across as abrupt, rude and dismissive
(even
though we know that was not their intent). Nonetheless, the phrase “felt
cheated” was overheard at least twice in complaints to the MDs during the
halftime.

This has been a problem with workmanship judges in the recent CCs. We have
a couple of suggestions on how this can be made easier for everyone
involved. First – make sure the Workmanship Judge(s) arrive on time and are
ready to go when the Green Room opens, not some time after. Second, allot a
fixed time segment for each entry (divide the number of entries into the
time the GR is open, plus a “slop factor”). Make sure the contestants know
this ahead of time – like publish on the website before the con (and before
they enter the Green Room) and have the Judges Clerk keep a stopwatch to
ensure both the judge(s) or the contestants do not run over time.

IMPORTANT POINT: It occurred to us that the Workmanship judging may be the
single most important point of contact that sets the mood for the entire con
for anyone who is competing during the weekend. If they believe they are
not being treated in a fair, respectful fashion, this will put them off, and
they will tell their friends. Whether their impressions are correct or not,
this is how bad opinions about CC are spread. So we urge committees to
choose their Workmanship judges carefully for people skills as well as an
eye for good workmanship – learn as much as you can about their style, be
aware of any biases, make sure they arrive on time and make sure costumers
gets their due!

There were other problems, logistically, with the Green Room, including no
fans (hand or battery) for keeping costumers cooled, but at least there was
water. Fortunately, there were adequate snacks for nervous nibblers,
including protein(!), provided by the Northeast Costumers Guild (yay!).
There weren’t enough den moms for the number of entries. One den mom out of
the available four had no experience before, and should not have been left
by themselves. Fortunately, their den was mostly self-sufficient.

Most everyone has heard about the problem with the stage by now, so we won’t
spend any time on that. Suffice to say, MDs are on notice to walk the stage
in the future.

As for the rest of the show, it went relatively smoothly with only a few
bumps in the road. The tech crew was top-notch. They were, on the whole,
friendly, helpful and efficient. The audience liked the projection screen
on the side, but the costumers wished there had been a backstage video feed.
It was good
to see the return of Gordon Rose as MC, for the F & SF and the Historical
shows – his last appearance was at CC15.

There was some interesting discussion surrounding the
number and status of the “Judges Choice” awards, but otherwise, it was
mostly felt Presentation judging was fair.

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Group: runacc Message: 2216 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/23/2011
Subject: The SLCG CC29 Review/Report continues – FFS & SP show
Given the 2:00 pm start time (which struck some as odd), there were
questions about why there was an 11:00 Green Room arrival time. For
less than 30 participants between both shows, it seemed unnecessarily
early. Also, two of the judges were roughly 15 minutes late at the time of
Green Room opening. No one was manning the repair table, although the kit
was there. The judges were apparently not given a room to deliberate the
awards, so they had to do so in the Green Room while the show participants
were out in the Ballroom rehearsing their turns on stage. When the
rehearsal was over, participants were kept out for a short while until the
judges were finished(??).

The official photographer was not in the Green Room – he had to be hunted
down, and when he was found, it seemed as though he was not informed that he
needed to record the event. Was he told? Once again, the stage was tricky
because the “thrust” platform projecting from the main stage was slightly
lower, which forced people to step down slightly. There were complaints
about the choice of music for the show, which seemed too formal and not very
fun.

Several people we spoke to, within and without our group, expressed that
they preferred to see these two shows split up. Otherwise, it forces some
people to choose one or another. Having the SP during the CC28 FNS seemed
to work out well.

There were a few complaints this year about the Single Pattern contest.
People acknowledged that finding patterns that are readily available in
advance, not too expensive, not too difficult to work with and yet lends
itself to a variety of modification — but this year’s choices were deemed
uninspiring. It is hoped that more effort will be made to either repeat
something from the past history of the convention or find a new garment to
use.

Entry-wise, the two shows’ participant numbers were still nothing like the
first decade of CC, but there were almost 30 people on stage, so perhaps
splitting up the shows in the future will help numbers increase.

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Group: runacc Message: 2217 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/23/2011
Subject: The SLCG CC29 Review/Report – Historical Masquerade
We have very little information on how the pre-judging went – but no
complaints, either. The Green Room was more suitable for the smaller
masquerade, and was more comfortable. The photographer was on time, and
there was a better set of den moms to attend to the costumers.

There were a few complaints about some of the crew/ninjas for this show.
Some of this were the result of there apparently being no propmaster. This
caused some miscommunication regarding prop pre-sets. A specific complaint
was about one crewmember’s refusal to display a flag in a particular manner.
Otherwise, the crew seemed to be enjoying themselves throughout all shows.
A question was raised about some presentations sound tracks sounding muddy,
but this could have been the fault of the costumer’s audio, rather than the
crew equipment.

This show was also very Master Class heavy, which led to the judges
combining the Novices and
Journeymen into one group of 6: this struck some people within and without
our group as “odd”. Perhaps it’s the nature of the beast, because of the
potential for awards in three different categories (documentation,
workmanship and presentation), and maybe because it WAS so Master heavy, but
it did strike some as the Historical is becoming a venue where “everyone
gets a cookie”. Whether this trend needs further examination so that
awards do not become meaningless in the light of the philosophy of
“excellence deserves recognition” is fodder for a separate discussion.

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Group: runacc Message: 2218 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/23/2011
Subject: The SLCG CC29 Review/Report – Photography
For the F & SF masquerade, not only did the Official Photographer arrive
late, he was slow off the mark getting set up. Before he arrived, people
were setting props and costume bits in the only clear area of the Green Room
– where the photo area was supposed to go. Once the photographer was set
up, they were observed spending noticeable time chatting with some of the
nearby costumers, rather than shooting pictures. Whether this was because
the Green Room Director was not making sure den moms were bringing their
charges to him in a timely fashion or not at all was not certain. As
previously mentioned, he did not seem aware that he was supposed to take
pictures of the FFS and Single Pattern, but since he failed to show up for
the Single Pattern Show at CC27, as well, at least one person questioned his
commitment to making sure all events were being properly recorded. No
problems were reported for the Historical Masquerade photography. As a
side note, everyone agreed having long-time CC fan photog Steward Hartmann
taking charge of co-ordinating the photo lines during the judging periods of
the shows was much appreciated.

Speaking of other photographers, a word about Penny Ladnier, of the Costume
Gallery website. While everyone liked the fact that she was at the
convention, snapping detailed pictures of every show entry, several people
questioned the freedom she was given back stage. In the already crowded
and hot F & SF Green Room, no one had been informed that she was going to be
there with her assistant, nor was her purpose completely understood by some
contestants. It would have made far more sense to allow her some place in a
hallway to set up and pull willing people over when they weren’t trying to
get ready in time to go on stage. By the way, in a possible lack of
communication on concom’s part again, the Green Room Director was unaware
that the Press (Ladnier) had been given access.

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Group: runacc Message: 2219 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/23/2011
Subject: The SLCG CC29 Review/Report – Final Thoughts
Panel tech support was excellent. They made sure scheduled equipment was in
the meeting rooms and functioning. And if there was something missing (like
someone forgot to bring their own equipment), the crew moved rapidly to
provide it, often getting stuff up and running in as little as 15 minutes!
Bravo!

No one had anything to say about the Dealers Room – it was what it was.
They did like the fact that Poison Pen was there. We’re probably getting
jaded, but these days, there’s hardly anything most of us long-timers are
interested in these days, beyond the books and maybe one or two patterns.
Nice hats.

Wrapping up, we generally had a good time at CC29. Sure it had its
problems, but no con’s perfect – just a few major hiccups. We give it a
good, solid B to B+.

Still to follow – a post-mortem discussion of what con committees need to
keep in mind for the future vis-à-vis an influx of new, uninitiated members,
membership costs, and a possible music copyright issue to be aware of.

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Group: runacc Message: 2220 From: Nora Date: 5/30/2011
Subject: Costume-Con 30 FFF update
Less than a year to Costume-Con 30 – and only 3 months until the deadline for the Future Fashion Folio!

Yes, that’s right – the deadline for the FFF is September 1, 2011, and it’s coming up fast!

What is the Future Fashion Folio (FFF)? It’s a design competition sponsored in conjunction with Costume-Con and you don’t actually have to be a member of CC30 to participate. Check here: http://costumecon30.com/folio.php
for more info, details & rules (gotta’ have some rules). I’m cross-posting this everywhere I can but feel free to forward this info to any groups you might be in that would be interested.

I’ve already received a few designs & some inquiries and look forward to many more. Our local group is actually having a “Sketch `n Kvetch” to encourage folks to enter – maybe yours could too?
Let’s get sketching!!!

Nora Mai
CC30 FFF Director

 

Group: runacc Message: 2221 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: Post CC stuff: Notes for future committees
Now that CC29 over, we’re left with the usual analysis of how to improve
the con-goer’s experience next time – especially in a new location for the
next three years. Reading the comments on the Cosplay.com forum, the major
observation that has come out of the discussion is that the future
committees (and veterans) need to concentrate on not just making new people
feel welcome – they need to build a sense of being a part of our community.

After 5-6 years of (sometimes) haphazard promotion, attempting to attract a
significant number of newcomers from the anime cons, they’re starting to
attend in noticeable numbers, and when they come – they feel like outsiders.
Most of that comes from misconceptions as a result of a lack of information.

Even though there are descriptions of the events on both the main CC site,
potential newbies want more specific explanations and a better understanding
of what they will experience. There is a sense of irony here, as I’ve
mentioned how there is sometimes a problem with individual staff operating
on the assumption that running a CC is the same as a general SF con. On
the flip side, concoms have operated on the assumption that anyone coming
from outside of a CC will easily adapt to the format. This is apparently
not the case, entirely.

The consensus is that the best first step is to update the Costume-Con.Com
site. There should be an FAQ that will answer people’s questions they might
have before making the decision to spend a fairly significant amount of
money on a convention they are unfamiliar with. I’m working to create that
FAQ, now, based on their first-time experiences.

The next step involves working to helping new people fit in as quickly as
possible. Some first-timers “get” CC immediately, without help. For
others, we need to help new people make connections with those who have been
going for years. By doing so, it will make them want to come back again
and again, even if it means having to travel from their home region.

There are already some good ideas in the works for CC30. One is to revive
the ribbons CC16 & 25 passed out for first-timers to identify themselves so
that veterans could talk to them. Another is a “meet and greet” in the Con
Suite. One thing we need to continue is to have the F & SF or FFS MC have
all the newcomers in the audience stand up, so that they can be applauded.
(Finally, the “Costume-Con Virgins” panel could be better focused by making
it more like the FAQ)

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Group: runacc Message: 2222 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion
Other things that bothered some people that we can work on:

In-jokes: While I’ve been around long enough to know about “Baptistown” and
other subjects from the past, I understand how new people might feel out of
the loop. Rather than eliminate them, we should make an effort to explain
them, and let them in on the joke. That not only makes them included, it
helps to preserve the history of Costume-Con.

The Lifetime Achievement Award – this is probably more the responsibility of
the sitting President of the ICG, but since the presentation is made at CC,
it bears mentioning here. This is the highest honor the ICG bestows, yet,
for the past 2 years, no real explanation was given about the details WHY
the recipients deserved the award. I know – I’ve watched the videos. If
the President does not feel comfortable ad-libbing the reason, then at the
very least, they should read aloud the nomination that was submitted to the
Board. The new people need to know what the Lifetime Achievement Award
recipients have done for the community that warrants their recognition.

Another way to bring more people into the community is for the parent
organization and the individual ICG chapters to get involved in more
outreach. There were a couple of good examples at CC29, like the sponsored
breakfast by the Pups as well as the Green Room snacks by North East. Were
there flyers for these chapters available? If there were, I missed them.
There should be more chapters, beyond the local regional ones, involved in
some sponsorship, which is why the SLCG will be providing the newbie ribbons
for the foreseeable future. We will entertain the idea of other
sponsorships in the future – perhaps a breakfast. Not only is this good PR,
but it’s another way of increasing the membership in the ICG, and
consequently, growing the costuming community.

Bruce

Another issue that merits some discussion is the cost to attend Costume-Con.
At least in the past, one of the things that have put off some new people
was the membership (fee). There has been a trend, maybe, the turn of the
century, that more people are waiting until shortly before the convention,
or even pay at the door to purchase their memberships. Anime cons have
typically been cheaper because they draw more attendees, and thus command
better deals with the hotels. However in more recent years, even
memberships at anime cons are slowly creeping up, as Dawn pointed out on the
forum.

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Group: runacc Message: 2223 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion

In a message dated 6/3/2011 5:24:34 AM Central Daylight Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> In-jokes: While I’ve been around long enough to know about “Baptistown”
> and
> other subjects from the past, I understand how new people might feel out
> of
> the loop. Rather than eliminate them, we should make an effort to explain
> them, and let them in on the joke. That not only makes them included, it
> helps to preserve the history of Costume-Con.
>

Personally, I have been wanting to start a new Baptistown style joke for us
newer folks. I just haven’t gotten the ball rolling yet.

> The Lifetime Achievement Award – this is probably more the responsibility
> of
> the sitting President of the ICG, but since the presentation is made at
> CC,
> it bears mentioning here. This is the highest honor the ICG bestows, yet,
> for the past 2 years, no real explanation was given about the details WHY
> the recipients deserved the award.

Here! Here! Well spoken, Bruce! Perhaps a video retrospective could be
prepared to help visualize the honor.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2224 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion

 

> In-jokes: While I’ve been around long enough to know about “Baptistown”
> and
> other subjects from the past, I understand how new people might feel out
> of
> the loop.

well, only one vote was cast for baptist town this year   😉 and the baptost
town stuff predates the guild and was originally a worldcon /costumeapa thing

> The Lifetime Achievement Award – this is probably more the responsibility
> of
> the sitting President of the ICG, but since the presentation is made at
> CC,
> it bears mentioning here. This is the highest honor the ICG bestows, yet,
> for the past 2 years, no real explanation was given about the details WHY
> the recipients deserved the award.

when I was asked to hand it out 2 years, i totally tried to give it some sense
of stature, and context.

including at least reading off the list of past winners, or having all attending
winners come up on stage to help hand it out/welcome the new person.
if it is our ‘hall of fame’ then the ceremony needs to reflect that. to reflect
that it matters and is important

if attending, perhaps if you dont choose an mc to do it, maybe the person that
nominated the winner could be asked to present it, as they obviously feel the
deepest connection ti that winner

Ricky

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Group: runacc Message: 2225 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion
In-jokes:

now that I go to anime cons a lot, there are millions of in jokes they all have
that I dont get, and when I seem puzzled, I am blown off as too old, or, its
there con, so its my problem to catch up, and get on track
so part of me  realizes that we need this positive outreach and need to be
inclusive, there is, in all honesty a part of me that thinks,

shut up and grow a pair, you’re spoiled and want it all handed to you before we
even know your name.

okay just venting on this list not in open forum.
all done now LOL
Ricky

While I’ve been around long enough to know about “Baptistown” and
other subjects from the past, I understand how new people might feel out of
the loop. Rather than eliminate them, we should make an effort to explain
them, and let them in on the joke. That not only makes them included, it
helps to preserve the history of Costume-Con.

The Lifetime Achievement Award – this is probably more the responsibility of
the sitting President of the ICG, but since the presentation is made at CC,
it bears mentioning here. This is the highest honor the ICG bestows, yet,
for the past 2 years, no real explanation was given about the details WHY
the recipients deserved the award. I know – I’ve watched the videos. If
the President does not feel comfortable ad-libbing the reason, then at the
very least, they should read aloud the nomination that was submitted to the
Board. The new people need to know what the Lifetime Achievement Award
recipients have done for the community that warrants their recognition.

Another way to bring more people into the community is for the parent
organization and the individual ICG chapters to get involved in more
outreach. There were a couple of good examples at CC29, like the sponsored
breakfast by the Pups as well as the Green Room snacks by North East. Were
there flyers for these chapters available? If there were, I missed them.
There should be more chapters, beyond the local regional ones, involved in
some sponsorship, which is why the SLCG will be providing the newbie ribbons
for the foreseeable future. We will entertain the idea of other
sponsorships in the future – perhaps a breakfast. Not only is this good PR,
but it’s another way of increasing the membership in the ICG, and
consequently, growing the costuming community.

Bruce

Another issue that merits some discussion is the cost to attend Costume-Con.
At least in the past, one of the things that have put off some new people
was the membership (fee). There has been a trend, maybe, the turn of the
century, that more people are waiting until shortly before the convention,
or even pay at the door to purchase their memberships. Anime cons have
typically been cheaper because they draw more attendees, and thus command
better deals with the hotels. However in more recent years, even
memberships at anime cons are slowly creeping up, as Dawn pointed out on the
forum.

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Group: runacc Message: 2226 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – Expense of Memberships
My response to the below issue that Bruce mentioned was this:

With good planning buying a Costume-Con
membership doesn’t have to be much/any more expensive than attending
one of top 10 Anime Cons or big sci-fi cons.

If you buy your CC32 membership right now, ($65), you’re paying less or
about the same as for any of the top 10 Anime Cons. (I’ve added Fanexpo
as #0 for comparison as it’s our big local DragconCon/Comicon type
behemoth and it’s relevant to any Canadians reading this…)

0.FANEXPO Canda 60,000+ ($75) USD

1.Anime Expo: 44,000 total ($75) USD

2.Otakon: 26,300 ($75) USD

3.New York Anime Festival 21,300 ($90) USD

4 Anime North: 16,800 ($55) CAD

5.Sakura-Con: 16,500 ($60)USD

6.A-Kon: 16,000 ($62) USD

7. Anime Central 15,400 estimated paid ($55) USD

8. FanimeCon: estimated 15,000 paid ($60) USD

9. Anime Weekend Atlanta: 11,700 ($45) USD

10 Anime Boston: 9,354 total ($55) USD

Bruce M wrote:

Another issue that merits some discussion is the cost to attend Costume-Con.

At least in the past, one of the things that have put off some new people

was the membership (fee). There has been a trend, maybe, the turn of the

century, that more people are waiting until shortly before the convention,

or even pay at the door to purchase their memberships. Anime cons have

typically been cheaper because they draw more attendees, and thus command

better deals with the hotels. However in more recent years, even

memberships at anime cons are slowly creeping up, as Dawn pointed out on the

forum.

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Group: runacc Message: 2227 From: Nora Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion

Curmudgeon! LOL!

I’m not partial to in-jokes cause they’re generally used to exclude people instead of include, which is of course not what we want.
But so long as they’re explained, as in “we think this is funny & think you will too, here’s what’s meant”, it doesn’t have to be a bad thing.

Nora

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Gravely MacCabre <gravelymac@…> wrote:
> In-jokes:
>
> now that I go to anime cons a lot, there are millions of in jokes they all have
> that I dont get, and when I seem puzzled, I am blown off as too old, or, its
> there con, so its my problem to catch up, and get on track
> so part of me  realizes that we need this positive outreach and need to be
> inclusive, there is, in all honesty a part of me that thinks,
>
> shut up and grow a pair, you’re spoiled and want it all handed to you before we
> even know your name.
>
> okay just venting on this list not in open forum.
> all done now LOL
> Ricky

 

Group: runacc Message: 2228 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion

Now if we only had a copy of toni’s original Baptistown bid flyer…………
Some things are only explained by show-&-tell.

Elaine
Nil significat nisi oscillat!

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: von_drago@yahoo.com
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 21:50:19 +0000
Subject: [runacc] Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion

Curmudgeon! LOL!

I’m not partial to in-jokes cause they’re generally used to exclude people instead of include, which is of course not what we want.
But so long as they’re explained, as in “we think this is funny & think you will too, here’s what’s meant”, it doesn’t have to be a bad thing.

Nora

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Gravely MacCabre <gravelymac@…> wrote:
> In-jokes:
>
> now that I go to anime cons a lot, there are millions of in jokes they all have
> that I dont get, and when I seem puzzled, I am blown off as too old, or, its
> there con, so its my problem to catch up, and get on track
> so part of me� realizes that we need this positive outreach and need to be
> inclusive, there is, in all honesty a part of me that thinks,
>
> shut up and grow a pair, you’re spoiled and want it all handed to you before we
> even know your name.
>
> okay just venting on this list not in open forum.
> all done now LOL
> Ricky

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Group: runacc Message: 2229 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion

Might be n00b of me, but can’t we just let Baptisttown die? It seems to me
like it was a turf-war full of bitterness and anger (perhaps I have gotten
the wrong impression from wrong explanations), and that’s not exactly
something we need to explain to new people, or even at all. Bitter jokes
should die gracefully.

~Aurora

On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 8:39 PM, Elaine Mami <ecmami@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Now if we only had a copy of toni’s original Baptistown bid
> flyer…………
> Some things are only explained by show-&-tell.
>
> Elaine
> Nil significat nisi oscillat!
>
>
>
>
>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: von_drago@yahoo.com
> Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 21:50:19 +0000
> Subject: [runacc] Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for
> newcomer inclusion
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Curmudgeon! LOL!
>
> I’m not partial to in-jokes cause they’re generally used to exclude people
> instead of include, which is of course not what we want.
> But so long as they’re explained, as in “we think this is funny & think you
> will too, here’s what’s meant”, it doesn’t have to be a bad thing.
>
> Nora
>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Gravely MacCabre <gravelymac@…> wrote:
> > In-jokes:
> >
> > now that I go to anime cons a lot, there are millions of in jokes they
> all have
> > that I dont get, and when I seem puzzled, I am blown off as too old, or,
> its
> > there con, so its my problem to catch up, and get on track
> > so part of me realizes that we need this positive outreach and need to
> be
> > inclusive, there is, in all honesty a part of me that thinks,
> >
> > shut up and grow a pair, you’re spoiled and want it all handed to you
> before we
> > even know your name.
> >
> > okay just venting on this list not in open forum.
> > all done now LOL
> > Ricky
>
>
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2230 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion

I fully agree about clueing new members in to our history and about the Lifetime Achievement Award. The history can be presented on con Web sites as well as in the Program Book. Part of our problem is that Costume-Con and the ICG are two separate yet related organizations, as Karen has pointed out. On the one hand, Baptistown, for example, is a Costume-Con tradition that really has nothing to do with the ICG. On the other hand, any attempt to present history on a CC Web site would be greatly enhanced by resources from the ICG archive.

There were Pups flyers available in half a dozen places at the con suite breakfast as well as on the freebies table and the Pups fan table throughout the con. Our table was manned almost all of the time and we ran masquerade videos to attract attention. The flyer was identical to the inside back cover of the program book. One thing that disappointed me at CC 29 was that we did not have more groups sponsoring events in the Con Suite. A lot of time was available for other groups to do so. Exposure is important to improving CC attendance and ICG chapter membership.

Byron

On Jun 3, 2011, at 6:24 AM, Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:

> Other things that bothered some people that we can work on:
>
> In-jokes: While I’ve been around long enough to know about “Baptistown” and
> other subjects from the past, I understand how new people might feel out of
> the loop. Rather than eliminate them, we should make an effort to explain
> them, and let them in on the joke. That not only makes them included, it
> helps to preserve the history of Costume-Con.
>
> The Lifetime Achievement Award – this is probably more the responsibility of
> the sitting President of the ICG, but since the presentation is made at CC,
> it bears mentioning here. This is the highest honor the ICG bestows, yet,
> for the past 2 years, no real explanation was given about the details WHY
> the recipients deserved the award. I know – I’ve watched the videos. If
> the President does not feel comfortable ad-libbing the reason, then at the
> very least, they should read aloud the nomination that was submitted to the
> Board. The new people need to know what the Lifetime Achievement Award
> recipients have done for the community that warrants their recognition.
>
> Another way to bring more people into the community is for the parent
> organization and the individual ICG chapters to get involved in more
> outreach. There were a couple of good examples at CC29, like the sponsored
> breakfast by the Pups as well as the Green Room snacks by North East. Were
> there flyers for these chapters available? If there were, I missed them.
> There should be more chapters, beyond the local regional ones, involved in
> some sponsorship, which is why the SLCG will be providing the newbie ribbons
> for the foreseeable future. We will entertain the idea of other
> sponsorships in the future – perhaps a breakfast. Not only is this good PR,
> but it’s another way of increasing the membership in the ICG, and
> consequently, growing the costuming community.
>
> Bruce
>
> Another issue that merits some discussion is the cost to attend Costume-Con.
> At least in the past, one of the things that have put off some new people
> was the membership (fee). There has been a trend, maybe, the turn of the
> century, that more people are waiting until shortly before the convention,
> or even pay at the door to purchase their memberships. Anime cons have
> typically been cheaper because they draw more attendees, and thus command
> better deals with the hotels. However in more recent years, even
> memberships at anime cons are slowly creeping up, as Dawn pointed out on the
> forum.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2231 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC stuff: Notes for future committees

I wish I had a better sense of what they were expecting and how it differed from what they experienced.

Byron

On Jun 3, 2011, at 6:15 AM, Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:

> Now that CC29 over, we’re left with the usual analysis of how to improve
> the con-goer’s experience next time – especially in a new location for the
> next three years. Reading the comments on the Cosplay.com forum, the major
> observation that has come out of the discussion is that the future
> committees (and veterans) need to concentrate on not just making new people
> feel welcome – they need to build a sense of being a part of our community.
>
> After 5-6 years of (sometimes) haphazard promotion, attempting to attract a
> significant number of newcomers from the anime cons, they’re starting to
> attend in noticeable numbers, and when they come – they feel like outsiders.
> Most of that comes from misconceptions as a result of a lack of information.
>
> Even though there are descriptions of the events on both the main CC site,
> potential newbies want more specific explanations and a better understanding
> of what they will experience. There is a sense of irony here, as I’ve
> mentioned how there is sometimes a problem with individual staff operating
> on the assumption that running a CC is the same as a general SF con. On
> the flip side, concoms have operated on the assumption that anyone coming
> from outside of a CC will easily adapt to the format. This is apparently
> not the case, entirely.
>
> The consensus is that the best first step is to update the Costume-Con.Com
> site. There should be an FAQ that will answer people’s questions they might
> have before making the decision to spend a fairly significant amount of
> money on a convention they are unfamiliar with. I’m working to create that
> FAQ, now, based on their first-time experiences.
>
> The next step involves working to helping new people fit in as quickly as
> possible. Some first-timers “get” CC immediately, without help. For
> others, we need to help new people make connections with those who have been
> going for years. By doing so, it will make them want to come back again
> and again, even if it means having to travel from their home region.
>
> There are already some good ideas in the works for CC30. One is to revive
> the ribbons CC16 & 25 passed out for first-timers to identify themselves so
> that veterans could talk to them. Another is a “meet and greet” in the Con
> Suite. One thing we need to continue is to have the F & SF or FFS MC have
> all the newcomers in the audience stand up, so that they can be applauded.
> (Finally, the “Costume-Con Virgins” panel could be better focused by making
> it more like the FAQ)
>
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>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2232 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: At-the-door reg (was Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions f

On Jun 3, 2011, at 3:24 AM, Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:

> Another issue that merits some discussion is the cost to attend Costume-Con.
> At least in the past, one of the things that have put off some new people
> was the membership (fee). There has been a trend, maybe, the turn of the
> century, that more people are waiting until shortly before the convention,
> or even pay at the door to purchase their memberships. Anime cons have
> typically been cheaper because they draw more attendees, and thus command
> better deals with the hotels. However in more recent years, even
> memberships at anime cons are slowly creeping up, as Dawn pointed out on the
> forum.

At-the-door registration patterns are interesting when looking at “new” convention fandoms.

In some cases, people have been trained to buy at the door because large volumes of pre-registered attendees and broken badge-pick-up processes make it quicker to buy at the door. I’ve seen this at some furry conventions and some (infamous) anime conventions. If you’re in the neighborhood of a convention with an awful registration process, it’s difficult to convince people who attend it you’re going to be different.

That said, we totally stole our local anime convention’s pre-reg incentive model for CC26. Of course, they have a reasonable pick-up process. The whole “here’s a code, it’s good for a month, it’s an extra $10 off the prereg rate” idea is something that Fanime has been doing for years.

The significant pre-reg discount may not be a great incentive, but an ***extra*** ***10*** ***dollars*** excites people. Go fig. Maybe Ron Popeil was right. But wait. There’s more!

It drives pre-registration for them (so don’t tell me the “anime kids” don’t preregister) and provides useful data about where spending money promoting provides the greatest returns (not so useful for our event with a new venue every year, but useful to them). They know what pre-reg numbers were like in prior years and aggressively work to make sure that each month’s preregistration goals are met to satisfy their desired growth rate.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 2233 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion

There was no bitterness or anger about it! It was just a hoax bid.

Byron

On Jun 3, 2011, at 8:55 PM, Aurora Celeste wrote:

> Might be n00b of me, but can’t we just let Baptisttown die? It seems to me
> like it was a turf-war full of bitterness and anger (perhaps I have gotten
> the wrong impression from wrong explanations), and that’s not exactly
> something we need to explain to new people, or even at all. Bitter jokes
> should die gracefully.
>
> ~Aurora
>
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 8:39 PM, Elaine Mami <ecmami@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Now if we only had a copy of toni’s original Baptistown bid
> > flyer…………
> > Some things are only explained by show-&-tell.
> >
> > Elaine
> > Nil significat nisi oscillat!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> > From: von_drago@yahoo.com
> > Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 21:50:19 +0000
> > Subject: [runacc] Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for
> > newcomer inclusion
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Curmudgeon! LOL!
> >
> > I’m not partial to in-jokes cause they’re generally used to exclude people
> > instead of include, which is of course not what we want.
> > But so long as they’re explained, as in “we think this is funny & think you
> > will too, here’s what’s meant”, it doesn’t have to be a bad thing.
> >
> > Nora
> >
> > — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Gravely MacCabre <gravelymac@…> wrote:
> > > In-jokes:
> > >
> > > now that I go to anime cons a lot, there are millions of in jokes they
> > all have
> > > that I dont get, and when I seem puzzled, I am blown off as too old, or,
> > its
> > > there con, so its my problem to catch up, and get on track
> > > so part of me� realizes that we need this positive outreach and need to
> > be
> > > inclusive, there is, in all honesty a part of me that thinks,
> > >
> > > shut up and grow a pair, you’re spoiled and want it all handed to you
> > before we
> > > even know your name.
> > >
> > > okay just venting on this list not in open forum.
> > > all done now LOL
> > > Ricky
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2234 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion

Aurora, nope, the original baptistown  stuff, was a successful silly attempt at
difusing a bad costume apa situation, by ghaving a mysterious ladoes league
basically tell people to play nice, or else.

that alas has been lost.
but in 1986 it was the sick pups at thgier finest
Gravely MacCabre
http://www.castleblood.com
http://facebook.com/gravelymaccabre
http://etsy.com/shops/gravelymaccabre

tv show clip samples at
http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood

________________________________
From: Aurora Celeste <auroraceleste@gmail.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 8:55:48 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer
inclusion

Might be n00b of me, but can’t we just let Baptisttown die? It seems to me
like it was a turf-war full of bitterness and anger (perhaps I have gotten
the wrong impression from wrong explanations), and that’s not exactly
something we need to explain to new people, or even at all. Bitter jokes
should die gracefully.

~Aurora

On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 8:39 PM, Elaine Mami <ecmami@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Now if we only had a copy of toni’s original Baptistown bid
> flyer…………
> Some things are only explained by show-&-tell.
>
> Elaine
> Nil significat nisi oscillat!
>
>
>
>
>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: von_drago@yahoo.com
> Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 21:50:19 +0000
> Subject: [runacc] Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for
> newcomer inclusion
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Curmudgeon! LOL!
>
> I’m not partial to in-jokes cause they’re generally used to exclude people
> instead of include, which is of course not what we want.
> But so long as they’re explained, as in “we think this is funny & think you
> will too, here’s what’s meant”, it doesn’t have to be a bad thing.
>
> Nora
>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Gravely MacCabre <gravelymac@…> wrote:
> > In-jokes:
> >
> > now that I go to anime cons a lot, there are millions of in jokes they
> all have
> > that I dont get, and when I seem puzzled, I am blown off as too old, or,
> its
> > there con, so its my problem to catch up, and get on track
> > so part of me realizes that we need this positive outreach and need to
> be
> > inclusive, there is, in all honesty a part of me that thinks,
> >
> > shut up and grow a pair, you’re spoiled and want it all handed to you
> before we
> > even know your name.
> >
> > okay just venting on this list not in open forum.
> > all done now LOL
> > Ricky
>
>
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2235 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion

We’ve discussed that, but there’s never any guarantee the person might be
someone who has a body of work that justifies it, plus we can’t count on
there always being a projection screen.

Bruce

> The Lifetime Achievement Award – this is probably more the responsibility
> of
> the sitting President of the ICG, but since the presentation is made at
> CC,
> it bears mentioning here. This is the highest honor the ICG bestows, yet,
> for the past 2 years, no real explanation was given about the details WHY
> the recipients deserved the award.

Here! Here! Well spoken, Bruce! Perhaps a video retrospective could be
prepared to help visualize the honor.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2236 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: LAA (was: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inc
Not the worst idea I the world. And, I believe it was Byron(?) who
suggested perhaps that ALL the LAA recipients stand up and be recognized at
some point.

Bruce

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Gravely MacCabre
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 11:44 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer
inclusion

when I was asked to hand it out 2 years, i totally tried to give it some
sense
of stature, and context.

including at least reading off the list of past winners, or having all
attending
winners come up on stage to help hand it out/welcome the new person.
if it is our ‘hall of fame’ then the ceremony needs to reflect that. to
reflect
that it matters and is important

if attending, perhaps if you dont choose an mc to do it, maybe the person
that
nominated the winner could be asked to present it, as they obviously feel
the
deepest connection ti that winner

Ricky

6/03/11

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Group: runacc Message: 2237 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – Expense of Memberships
Good info. Somehow, we need to work that in somewhere, as a comparison.
Although, admittedly, you probably do get more value from the anime cons
(depending on your involvement) because there’s a lot going on at them.
Maybe the anime costumers will come to understand how there is a different
value, but to the casual browser, I could see people being turned out.

I think where we can succeed is work very hard on the friendliness and
inclusion into the community thing.

Thank, Dawn.

Bruce

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Kaijugal .
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 1:01 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [runacc] Post CC info for committees – Expense of Memberships

My response to the below issue that Bruce mentioned was this:

With good planning buying a Costume-Con
membership doesn’t have to be much/any more expensive than attending
one of top 10 Anime Cons or big sci-fi cons.

If you buy your CC32 membership right now, ($65), you’re paying less or
about the same as for any of the top 10 Anime Cons. (I’ve added Fanexpo
as #0 for comparison as it’s our big local DragconCon/Comicon type
behemoth and it’s relevant to any Canadians reading this…)

0.FANEXPO Canda 60,000+ ($75) USD

1.Anime Expo: 44,000 total ($75) USD

2.Otakon: 26,300 ($75) USD

3.New York Anime Festival 21,300 ($90) USD

4 Anime North: 16,800 ($55) CAD

5.Sakura-Con: 16,500 ($60)USD

6.A-Kon: 16,000 ($62) USD

7. Anime Central 15,400 estimated paid ($55) USD

8. FanimeCon: estimated 15,000 paid ($60) USD

9. Anime Weekend Atlanta: 11,700 ($45) USD

10 Anime Boston: 9,354 total ($55) USD

Bruce M wrote:

Another issue that merits some discussion is the cost to attend Costume-Con.

At least in the past, one of the things that have put off some new people

was the membership (fee). There has been a trend, maybe, the turn of the

century, that more people are waiting until shortly before the convention,

or even pay at the door to purchase their memberships. Anime cons have

typically been cheaper because they draw more attendees, and thus command

better deals with the hotels. However in more recent years, even

memberships at anime cons are slowly creeping up, as Dawn pointed out on the

forum.

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Group: runacc Message: 2238 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion

Yeah, it was totally a gag. Even Nora and I came late to that gag, so it’s
been around a looooong time.

Toni Lay, being one of the usual suspects/Baptisttown reps, totally got her
come-uppance when, one year, it was announced they’d actually won the bid.
Talk about deer in the headlights!

So, see, Aurora, you’ve kinda illustrated the point of being out of the loop
on the in-joke – and apparently we didn’t know that this pre-dated CC.

Ricky makes a good point, though, supported by Nora – in-jokes are sort of
exclusionary, and everyone is guilty about that. Wish that had been brought
up on the Cosplay forum at the time.

Bruce

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Byron Connell
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 8:42 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for
newcomer inclusion

There was no bitterness or anger about it! It was just a hoax bid.

Byron

On Jun 3, 2011, at 8:55 PM, Aurora Celeste wrote:

> Might be n00b of me, but can’t we just let Baptisttown die? It seems to me
> like it was a turf-war full of bitterness and anger (perhaps I have gotten
> the wrong impression from wrong explanations), and that’s not exactly
> something we need to explain to new people, or even at all. Bitter jokes
> should die gracefully.
>
> ~Aurora
>
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 8:39 PM, Elaine Mami <ecmami@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Now if we only had a copy of toni’s original Baptistown bid
> > flyer…………
> > Some things are only explained by show-&-tell.
> >
> > Elaine
> > Nil significat nisi oscillat!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> > From: von_drago@yahoo.com
> > Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 21:50:19 +0000
> > Subject: [runacc] Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for
> > newcomer inclusion
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Curmudgeon! LOL!
> >
> > I’m not partial to in-jokes cause they’re generally used to exclude
people
> > instead of include, which is of course not what we want.
> > But so long as they’re explained, as in “we think this is funny & think
you
> > will too, here’s what’s meant”, it doesn’t have to be a bad thing.
> >
> > Nora
> >
> > — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Gravely MacCabre <gravelymac@…> wrote:
> > > In-jokes:
> > >
> > > now that I go to anime cons a lot, there are millions of in jokes they
> > all have
> > > that I dont get, and when I seem puzzled, I am blown off as too old,
or,
> > its
> > > there con, so its my problem to catch up, and get on track
> > > so part of me realizes that we need this positive outreach and need
to
> > be
> > > inclusive, there is, in all honesty a part of me that thinks,
> > >
> > > shut up and grow a pair, you’re spoiled and want it all handed to you
> > before we
> > > even know your name.
> > >
> > > okay just venting on this list not in open forum.
> > > all done now LOL
> > > Ricky
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2239 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: Misperceptions and questions
So – first question, kind of repeating what I said earlier in response to
Dawn: since the FFF will no longer be one of the major expenses the
committees have to worry about, will that allow them to somewhat lower
memberships? That may not be realistic. How do you promote the value of
CC, knowledge-wise, and single focus (all-costumes, all the time) to be
worth the cost?

Another perception that still seems to come up is that somehow the long-time
con-goers are “elitist”. This notion has also been a bane to the ICG over
the years. Some of this perception is the whole shyness thing of the vets,
where newcomers think no one wants to talk to them. Can we do anything
about that? Maybe the initiatives CC30 and 32 are working on might be the
answer.

Bruce

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Group: runacc Message: 2240 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion

Ricky, there’s two parts to the whole thing, remember?
The Baptistown bid flyer was a creation of Toni Lay’s, and was wonderfully insane and Un-PC.
The presentation by the Pups in the CC con-suite was the response to the APA idiocy, perpetrated by one person against pretty much all of the rest of costuming.
I don’t know if the flyer exists anymore, but I know the video of our superbly silly presentation has been preserved on video, because Carl has shown it at Pups’ meetings in the past! Whether Carl has it or it is in the Archives is something I don’t know.
The in jokes in that video are almost impossible to explain at this point, and it should only be shown now to people who were part of it for just that reason.
However, The Baptistown Bid should never die!!

Elaine
Who was there, and part of it all, proudly!!

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: gravelymac@yahoo.com
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 21:01:09 -0700
Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion

Aurora, nope, the original baptistown stuff, was a successful silly attempt at
difusing a bad costume apa situation, by ghaving a mysterious ladoes league
basically tell people to play nice, or else.

that alas has been lost.
but in 1986 it was the sick pups at thgier finest
Gravely MacCabre
http://www.castleblood.com
http://facebook.com/gravelymaccabre
http://etsy.com/shops/gravelymaccabre

tv show clip samples at
http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood

________________________________
From: Aurora Celeste <auroraceleste@gmail.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 8:55:48 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer
inclusion

Might be n00b of me, but can’t we just let Baptisttown die? It seems to me
like it was a turf-war full of bitterness and anger (perhaps I have gotten
the wrong impression from wrong explanations), and that’s not exactly
something we need to explain to new people, or even at all. Bitter jokes
should die gracefully.

~Aurora

On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 8:39 PM, Elaine Mami <ecmami@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Now if we only had a copy of toni’s original Baptistown bid
> flyer…………
> Some things are only explained by show-&-tell.
>
> Elaine
> Nil significat nisi oscillat!
>
>
>
>
>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: von_drago@yahoo.com
> Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 21:50:19 +0000
> Subject: [runacc] Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for
> newcomer inclusion
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Curmudgeon! LOL!
>
> I’m not partial to in-jokes cause they’re generally used to exclude people
> instead of include, which is of course not what we want.
> But so long as they’re explained, as in “we think this is funny & think you
> will too, here’s what’s meant”, it doesn’t have to be a bad thing.
>
> Nora
>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Gravely MacCabre <gravelymac@…> wrote:
> > In-jokes:
> >
> > now that I go to anime cons a lot, there are millions of in jokes they
> all have
> > that I dont get, and when I seem puzzled, I am blown off as too old, or,
> its
> > there con, so its my problem to catch up, and get on track
> > so part of me� realizes that we need this positive outreach and need to
> be
> > inclusive, there is, in all honesty a part of me that thinks,
> >
> > shut up and grow a pair, you’re spoiled and want it all handed to you
> before we
> > even know your name.
> >
> > okay just venting on this list not in open forum.
> > all done now LOL
> > Ricky
>
>
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2241 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: Re: Misperceptions and questions

On 6/3/2011 9:30 PM, Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:

> So – first question, kind of repeating what I said earlier in response to
> Dawn: since the FFF will no longer be one of the major expenses the
> committees have to worry about, will that allow them to somewhat lower
> memberships? That may not be realistic. How do you promote the value of
> CC, knowledge-wise, and single focus (all-costumes, all the time) to be
> worth the cost?

Let’s get analytical on the Folio expense.

The print folio is a big expense, early in the con’s cycle when pre-reg
may be only half (or less) of the final attending membership. Shaky
membership numbers can make quoting and getting a good price on a
wild-ass guess quantity is risky. Order too few and your per-copy cost
may be high, order too many and it’s wasted copies. This can be
mitigated by negotiating for a re-order. Mailing costs are, well,
mailing costs and they’re not as cheap as they used to be.

Primary digital distribution changes things a bit.

It reduces the early outlay. Per-copy cost for print folios and mailing
may be astronomical compared to bulk printing, but if you only have to
print and mail a half-dozen copies, it’s a tiny piece of the budget.

If a committee still wants to distribute print copies at con, quantities
are much firmer, making quoting, delivery and waste more manageable. So
even with print copies at-con, it should reduce the con’s expenses. How
much? I don’t know. Only way to learn is to do it.

Not delivering print copies at-con but rather delivering digital copies
on CD to people who register at the door is dirt cheap, and reduces
expenses more.

Now I haven’t seen a CC in years where the money that could be saved by
economizing on the folio couldn’t be turned back into other areas of the
convention. But that’s a budget exercise.

> Another perception that still seems to come up is that somehow the long-time
> con-goers are “elitist”. This notion has also been a bane to the ICG over
> the years. Some of this perception is the whole shyness thing of the vets,
> where newcomers think no one wants to talk to them. Can we do anything
> about that? Maybe the initiatives CC30 and 32 are working on might be the
> answer.

It’s hard to break into a group that only sees everyone once a year.

Several gen SF conventions out here have done “first con” badge ribbons
for people who have never been there before. It’s a cheap expense, it’s
something people like, and helps break the ice. Other fun things could
be having ambassadorial sashes for people who want to take an active
role in welcoming new people. And I like the “newbies” panel early in
the weekend, it was actually successful at both 28 and 29. If a con is
going to offer ribbons to new attendees, perhaps also handing out a card
that say “come to this panel” with the room and time might get more
people who should be there to go.

I missed what 30 and 32 are talking about doing. I’m interested.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 2242 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: Re: Misperceptions and questions

Andy, I will have Marg put you and Kevin on the CC 30 list. Be patient, since she is having a really busy few weeks, work-wise.

Elaine
CC 30 Comfy Chair

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: attrembl@bovil.com
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 14:06:15 -0700
Subject: Re: [runacc] Misperceptions and questions

On 6/3/2011 9:30 PM, Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:
> So – first question, kind of repeating what I said earlier in response to
> Dawn: since the FFF will no longer be one of the major expenses the
> committees have to worry about, will that allow them to somewhat lower
> memberships? That may not be realistic. How do you promote the value of
> CC, knowledge-wise, and single focus (all-costumes, all the time) to be
> worth the cost?

Let’s get analytical on the Folio expense.

The print folio is a big expense, early in the con’s cycle when pre-reg
may be only half (or less) of the final attending membership. Shaky
membership numbers can make quoting and getting a good price on a
wild-ass guess quantity is risky. Order too few and your per-copy cost
may be high, order too many and it’s wasted copies. This can be
mitigated by negotiating for a re-order. Mailing costs are, well,
mailing costs and they’re not as cheap as they used to be.

Primary digital distribution changes things a bit.

It reduces the early outlay. Per-copy cost for print folios and mailing
may be astronomical compared to bulk printing, but if you only have to
print and mail a half-dozen copies, it’s a tiny piece of the budget.

If a committee still wants to distribute print copies at con, quantities
are much firmer, making quoting, delivery and waste more manageable. So
even with print copies at-con, it should reduce the con’s expenses. How
much? I don’t know. Only way to learn is to do it.

Not delivering print copies at-con but rather delivering digital copies
on CD to people who register at the door is dirt cheap, and reduces
expenses more.

Now I haven’t seen a CC in years where the money that could be saved by
economizing on the folio couldn’t be turned back into other areas of the
convention. But that’s a budget exercise.

> Another perception that still seems to come up is that somehow the long-time
> con-goers are “elitist”. This notion has also been a bane to the ICG over
> the years. Some of this perception is the whole shyness thing of the vets,
> where newcomers think no one wants to talk to them. Can we do anything
> about that? Maybe the initiatives CC30 and 32 are working on might be the
> answer.

It’s hard to break into a group that only sees everyone once a year.

Several gen SF conventions out here have done “first con” badge ribbons
for people who have never been there before. It’s a cheap expense, it’s
something people like, and helps break the ice. Other fun things could
be having ambassadorial sashes for people who want to take an active
role in welcoming new people. And I like the “newbies” panel early in
the weekend, it was actually successful at both 28 and 29. If a con is
going to offer ribbons to new attendees, perhaps also handing out a card
that say “come to this panel” with the room and time might get more
people who should be there to go.

I missed what 30 and 32 are talking about doing. I’m interested.

andy

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Group: runacc Message: 2243 From: Nora Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)

Briefly a couple of ideas that are being hashed out (and will happen because they’re going to be independently funded so the con doesn’t have to worry about the expense):

1. “My First Costume-Con” ribbons – definitely going to happen.
Bruce & I made the offer to fund these for CC32 initially & then extended the offer to CC30 & CC31. All three cons were happy to accept so we’ve got a plan to order copious amounts & hand them out at every CC ongoing.
And the SLCG has agreed to sponsor this instead of us personally (although it was going to happen regardless) with the only recognition of same being a “ribbons sponsored by” line in the Program book.

And since the ribbons can be the same for every year we can get a good deal on them – white, horizontal ribbons with black lettering.

2. Welcome Wagon – this one isn’t as finalized yet but basically it would consist of a team of Native Guides who would guide newbies around the con, explain things to them, look for lost souls, introduce the new folks to the vets, etc.

Haven’t got all the details together yet but the concept is to provide new people with some folks who can help them find where they need to be, explain jokes & references they don’t get, introduce them to folks with similar interests… just help them wherever they can.
Kind of like a wandering den mom – a “Con Mom”.

Nora

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Trembley <attrembl@…> wrote:
> It’s hard to break into a group that only sees everyone once a year.
>
> Several gen SF conventions out here have done “first con” badge ribbons
> for people who have never been there before. It’s a cheap expense, it’s
> something people like, and helps break the ice. Other fun things could
> be having ambassadorial sashes for people who want to take an active
> role in welcoming new people. And I like the “newbies” panel early in
> the weekend, it was actually successful at both 28 and 29. If a con is
> going to offer ribbons to new attendees, perhaps also handing out a card
> that say “come to this panel” with the room and time might get more
> people who should be there to go.
>
> I missed what 30 and 32 are talking about doing. I’m interested.
>
> andy
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2244 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: Re: LAA (was: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer
re standing up/past winner intros

everyone coming on stage was my idea and we did it first in ogden with that
beautiful stage.

byron was of course a part of it, and if he suggested it previously, that
wouldnt surprise me at all, with his understanding of history and ceremony

so I coulda heard it somewhere else for sure
Gravely MacCabre
http://www.castleblood.com
http://facebook.com/gravelymaccabre
http://etsy.com/shops/gravelymaccabre

tv show clip samples at
http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood

________________________________
From: Nora & Bruce Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, June 4, 2011 12:13:54 AM
Subject: [runacc] LAA (was: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for
newcomer inclusion)

Not the worst idea I the world. And, I believe it was Byron(?) who
suggested perhaps that ALL the LAA recipients stand up and be recognized at
some point.

Bruce

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Gravely MacCabre
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 11:44 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer
inclusion

when I was asked to hand it out 2 years, i totally tried to give it some
sense
of stature, and context.

including at least reading off the list of past winners, or having all
attending
winners come up on stage to help hand it out/welcome the new person.
if it is our ‘hall of fame’ then the ceremony needs to reflect that. to
reflect
that it matters and is important

if attending, perhaps if you dont choose an mc to do it, maybe the person
that
nominated the winner could be asked to present it, as they obviously feel
the
deepest connection ti that winner

Ricky

6/03/11

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Group: runacc Message: 2245 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
Actually, this one is also a definite for CC 30. The details are still being worked on, but look for some surprisingly obvious *suggestions* that This is A Person Who is Happy to Help You!

I really love these suggestions, and how my incredible team is rushing to embrace them! Thanks, all of you!!

Elaine

2. Welcome Wagon – this one isn’t as finalized yet but basically it would consist of a team of Native Guides who would guide newbies around the con, explain things to them, look for lost souls, introduce the new folks to the vets, etc.

Haven’t got all the details together yet but the concept is to provide new people with some folks who can help them find where they need to be, explain jokes & references they don’t get, introduce them to folks with similar interests… just help them wherever they can.
Kind of like a wandering den mom – a “Con Mom”.

Nora

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Group: runacc Message: 2246 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
Yeah, that’s what I meant. Just that we haven’t got all the details ironed
out. If it work well at CC30 (pioneers!) then we can offer the service to
future cons.

I think it will be fun for the Guides as well as helpful for the newbies.

Nora

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Elaine Mami
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 5:53 PM
To: Betsy D
Subject: RE: [runacc] Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)

Actually, this one is also a definite for CC 30. The details are still
being worked on, but look for some surprisingly obvious *suggestions* that
This is A Person Who is Happy to Help You!

I really love these suggestions, and how my incredible team is rushing to
embrace them! Thanks, all of you!!

Elaine

2. Welcome Wagon – this one isn’t as finalized yet but basically it would
consist of a team of Native Guides who would guide newbies around the con,
explain things to them, look for lost souls, introduce the new folks to the
vets, etc.

Haven’t got all the details together yet but the concept is to provide new
people with some folks who can help them find where they need to be, explain
jokes & references they don’t get, introduce them to folks with similar
interests… just help them wherever they can.
Kind of like a wandering den mom – a “Con Mom”.

Nora

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Group: runacc Message: 2247 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: Re: LAA (was: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer

To my recollection, yours was the first time we did that. It was a very good idea.

Byron

On Jun 4, 2011, at 6:46 PM, Gravely MacCabre wrote:

> re standing up/past winner intros
>
> everyone coming on stage was my idea and we did it first in ogden with that
> beautiful stage.
>
> byron was of course a part of it, and if he suggested it previously, that
> wouldnt surprise me at all, with his understanding of history and ceremony
>
> so I coulda heard it somewhere else for sure
> Gravely MacCabre
> http://www.castleblood.com
> http://facebook.com/gravelymaccabre
> http://etsy.com/shops/gravelymaccabre
>
> tv show clip samples at
> http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood
>
> ________________________________
> From: Nora & Bruce Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sat, June 4, 2011 12:13:54 AM
> Subject: [runacc] LAA (was: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for
> newcomer inclusion)
>
>
> Not the worst idea I the world. And, I believe it was Byron(?) who
> suggested perhaps that ALL the LAA recipients stand up and be recognized at
> some point.
>
> Bruce
>
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Gravely MacCabre
> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 11:44 AM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [runacc] Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer
> inclusion
>
> when I was asked to hand it out 2 years, i totally tried to give it some
> sense
> of stature, and context.
>
> including at least reading off the list of past winners, or having all
> attending
> winners come up on stage to help hand it out/welcome the new person.
> if it is our ‘hall of fame’ then the ceremony needs to reflect that. to
> reflect
> that it matters and is important
>
> if attending, perhaps if you dont choose an mc to do it, maybe the person
> that
> nominated the winner could be asked to present it, as they obviously feel
> the
> deepest connection ti that winner
>
> Ricky
>
> 6/03/11
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2248 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/5/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)

In a message dated 6/4/2011 5:41:07 PM Central Daylight Time,
von_drago@yahoo.com writes:

> 2. Welcome Wagon – this one isn’t as finalized yet but basically it would
> consist of a team of Native Guides who would guide newbies around the con,
> explain things to them, look for lost souls, introduce the new folks to
> the vets, etc.
>

I like this idea!

> Haven’t got all the details together yet but the concept is to provide
> new people with some folks who can help them find where they need to be,
> explain jokes &references they don’t get, introduce them to folks with similar
> interests… just help them wherever they can.
> Kind of like a wandering den mom – a “Con Mom”.

Good idea. Question: In this area, Con Mom is the person that is on staff
that makes sure other staffers are alright, as in have eaten, slept, gone to
the bathroom, etc. So, might another name be better, such as Friendly Native
Guide? Just a question and an idea.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2249 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion

At 01:31 PM 6/4/2011, you wrote:

I haven’t noticed it in the videos Carl has brought me, but I haven’t
been through everything yet. We should probably try to find it.

Pierre

>Ricky, there’s two parts to the whole thing, remember?
>The Baptistown bid flyer was a creation of Toni Lay’s, and was
>wonderfully insane and Un-PC.
>The presentation by the Pups in the CC con-suite was the response to
>the APA idiocy, perpetrated by one person against pretty much all of
>the rest of costuming.
>I don’t know if the flyer exists anymore, but I know the video of
>our superbly silly presentation has been preserved on video, because
>Carl has shown it at Pups’ meetings in the past! Whether Carl has
>it or it is in the Archives is something I don’t know.
>The in jokes in that video are almost impossible to explain at this
>point, and it should only be shown now to people who were part of it
>for just that reason.
>However, The Baptistown Bid should never die!!
>
>Elaine
>Who was there, and part of it all, proudly!!
>
>To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
>From: gravelymac@yahoo.com
>Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 21:01:09 -0700
>Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions
>for newcomer inclusion
>
>Aurora, nope, the original baptistown stuff, was a successful silly
>attempt at
>difusing a bad costume apa situation, by ghaving a mysterious ladoes league
>basically tell people to play nice, or else.
>
>that alas has been lost.
>but in 1986 it was the sick pups at thgier finest
> Gravely MacCabre
>From: Aurora Celeste <auroraceleste@gmail.com>
>To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 8:55:48 PM
>Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions
>for newcomer
>inclusion
>
>
>Might be n00b of me, but can’t we just let Baptisttown die? It seems to me
>like it was a turf-war full of bitterness and anger (perhaps I have gotten
>the wrong impression from wrong explanations), and that’s not exactly
>something we need to explain to new people, or even at all. Bitter jokes
>should die gracefully.
>
>~Aurora

International Costumers’ Guild Archivist

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“Those Who Fail to Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly –
Why They Are Simply Doomed.”

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Group: runacc Message: 2250 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion

I have a totally vague recollection that Marty might have a copy if you
don’t, Pierre. Trouble is, I don’t recall whether I saw the presentation and
visualized it or saw it for real. Such a LONG time ago!

-b

On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Pierre & Sandy Pettinger <
costumrs@radiks.net> wrote:

>
>
> At 01:31 PM 6/4/2011, you wrote:
>
> I haven’t noticed it in the videos Carl has brought me, but I haven’t
> been through everything yet. We should probably try to find it.
>
> Pierre
>
> —



Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

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Group: runacc Message: 2194 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 2/27/2011
Subject: online registration
Group: runacc Message: 2195 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 2/27/2011
Subject: Re: online registration
Group: runacc Message: 2196 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 3/1/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities
Group: runacc Message: 2197 From: Byron Connell Date: 3/1/2011
Subject: Re: online registration
Group: runacc Message: 2198 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/8/2011
Subject: What, silence on CC29?
Group: runacc Message: 2199 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/8/2011
Subject: CC29 report from the Minnesotans
Group: runacc Message: 2200 From: Byron Connell Date: 5/8/2011
Subject: Re: What, silence on CC29?

 


 

Group: runacc Message: 2151 From: Margie Date: 12/29/2010
Subject: Re: perpetual CC mailing list

I have an Excel spreadsheet that is called “CC26 Shareable Contacts”, and there are 557 names on it. I’ve gone ahead and added you to the list, Michael, as it sounds like that’s what you were asking for.

To correct Elaine, no, we have not added anyone to it yet, because we’ve not provided any “vehicle” for new folks to join it. However, I’m confident that we can either email any of our members not on the list and ask them, or collect this data at CC30 Registration.

Henry, if you have CC28’s data to contribute to this list (people who’ve specifically stated they’d like to be informed of future CC’s — not just a registration database) it’d be fabulous if you could send me the info, in any form, even copies of registration forms would be fine with me. I can enter the data into the spreadsheet.

I don’t know if CC27 added any data to the list either (no way for me to tell by looking).

Dora, do you have a copy of this list already? If not, give the word, and I’ll happily give you access. (I’ve uploaded the data into a restricted Google Doc, so anyone with access gets the most up to date version that exists — much more efficient than trying to keep multiple copies of it up-to-date in different cities.)

Michael, whenever you’d like access to this info, I’m happy to add you as “sharing” on it, of course, too.

-Marg

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Michael” <bruno@…> wrote:
>
> I believe there was a movement to collect names/addresses/email addresses to create a permanent CC mailing list. I know I have the option to join the list on my registration forms. Does that list exist yet? If so, who has it?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> Michael
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2152 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 12/29/2010
Subject: Re: perpetual CC mailing list

A quick comment: Google Docs is an awesome file-sharing medium. I strongly
encourage its use! If you’ve created a doc that can be shared with the folks
on this list, would you please also go to the Yahoo Groups page and add a
link to the doc there? That way, we don’t rely solely on institutional
memory. See the link at the bottom of this message for “Visit Your Group” to
find the links page.

Huge thanks!

Betsy

On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Margie <marg1066@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> I have an Excel spreadsheet that is called “CC26 Shareable Contacts”, and
> there are 557 names on it. I’ve gone ahead and added you to the list,
> Michael, as it sounds like that’s what you were asking for.
>
> To correct Elaine, no, we have not added anyone to it yet, because we’ve
> not provided any “vehicle” for new folks to join it. However, I’m confident
> that we can either email any of our members not on the list and ask them, or
> collect this data at CC30 Registration.
>
> Henry, if you have CC28’s data to contribute to this list (people who’ve
> specifically stated they’d like to be informed of future CC’s — not just a
> registration database) it’d be fabulous if you could send me the info, in
> any form, even copies of registration forms would be fine with me. I can
> enter the data into the spreadsheet.
>
> I don’t know if CC27 added any data to the list either (no way for me to
> tell by looking).
>
> Dora, do you have a copy of this list already? If not, give the word, and
> I’ll happily give you access. (I’ve uploaded the data into a restricted
> Google Doc, so anyone with access gets the most up to date version that
> exists — much more efficient than trying to keep multiple copies of it
> up-to-date in different cities.)
>
> Michael, whenever you’d like access to this info, I’m happy to add you as
> “sharing” on it, of course, too.
>
> -Marg
>
>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc%40yahoogroups.com>, “Michael”
> <bruno@…> wrote:
> >
> > I believe there was a movement to collect names/addresses/email addresses
> to create a permanent CC mailing list. I know I have the option to join the
> list on my registration forms. Does that list exist yet? If so, who has it?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> > Michael
> >
>
>
>




Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

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Group: runacc Message: 2153 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair Date: 12/29/2010
Subject: Re: perpetual CC mailing list

To add to what Margie said — that spreadsheet started as the result of
the question we included in the CC26 reg system giving us permission to
pass contact information forward to future CCs.

In terms of folks planning future Costume-Cons, it is really important
to *ask* that question during the registration process, because it is at
that moment you are already collecting all the critical info, and it
makes it very simple to filter those people who said yes into a list to
pass forward.

With the current privacy laws, passing the info forward without
permission is a dicey proposition.

Kevin

On 12/29/2010 7:11 AM, Margie wrote:
>
> I have an Excel spreadsheet that is called “CC26 Shareable Contacts”,
> and there are 557 names on it. I’ve gone ahead and added you to the
> list, Michael, as it sounds like that’s what you were asking for.
>
> To correct Elaine, no, we have not added anyone to it yet, because
> we’ve not provided any “vehicle” for new folks to join it. However,
> I’m confident that we can either email any of our members not on the
> list and ask them, or collect this data at CC30 Registration.
>
> Henry, if you have CC28’s data to contribute to this list (people
> who’ve specifically stated they’d like to be informed of future CC’s
> — not just a registration database) it’d be fabulous if you could
> send me the info, in any form, even copies of registration forms would
> be fine with me. I can enter the data into the spreadsheet.
>
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2154 From: Bruno Date: 12/29/2010
Subject: Re: perpetual CC mailing list

My registration forms have opt-ins for ePublications and the CC mailing list.

Michael

Quoting “Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair” <chair@cc26.org>:

> To add to what Margie said — that spreadsheet started as the result of
> the question we included in the CC26 reg system giving us permission to
> pass contact information forward to future CCs.
>
> In terms of folks planning future Costume-Cons, it is really important
> to *ask* that question during the registration process, because it is at
> that moment you are already collecting all the critical info, and it
> makes it very simple to filter those people who said yes into a list to
> pass forward.
>
> With the current privacy laws, passing the info forward without
> permission is a dicey proposition.
>
> Kevin
>
> On 12/29/2010 7:11 AM, Margie wrote:
>>
>> I have an Excel spreadsheet that is called “CC26 Shareable Contacts”,
>> and there are 557 names on it. I’ve gone ahead and added you to the
>> list, Michael, as it sounds like that’s what you were asking for.
>>
>> To correct Elaine, no, we have not added anyone to it yet, because
>> we’ve not provided any “vehicle” for new folks to join it. However,
>> I’m confident that we can either email any of our members not on the
>> list and ask them, or collect this data at CC30 Registration.
>>
>> Henry, if you have CC28’s data to contribute to this list (people
>> who’ve specifically stated they’d like to be informed of future CC’s
>> — not just a registration database) it’d be fabulous if you could
>> send me the info, in any form, even copies of registration forms would
>> be fine with me. I can enter the data into the spreadsheet.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2155 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: Re: perpetual CC mailing list

Okay, maybe I’m missing the point here, but shouldn’t this kind of document
be available ON the “Run A CC” Yahoo group? This list is supposed be for
future committees, among other folks. I don’t have an objection to Google
docs per se (other than it’s yet another group I’d possibly have to be
involved with). Costume-Con 25 was the first to implement this share list
idea, so we’d like to see this mailing list idea continued. It’s
definitely beneficial to the future cons.

Bruce

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Betsy Delaney
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 10:02 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: perpetual CC mailing list

A quick comment: Google Docs is an awesome file-sharing medium. I strongly
encourage its use! If you’ve created a doc that can be shared with the folks
on this list, would you please also go to the Yahoo Groups page and add a
link to the doc there? That way, we don’t rely solely on institutional
memory. See the link at the bottom of this message for “Visit Your Group” to
find the links page.

Huge thanks!

Betsy

On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Margie <marg1066@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> I have an Excel spreadsheet that is called “CC26 Shareable Contacts”, and
> there are 557 names on it. I’ve gone ahead and added you to the list,
> Michael, as it sounds like that’s what you were asking for.
>
> To correct Elaine, no, we have not added anyone to it yet, because we’ve
> not provided any “vehicle” for new folks to join it. However, I’m
confident
> that we can either email any of our members not on the list and ask them,
or
> collect this data at CC30 Registration.
>
> Henry, if you have CC28’s data to contribute to this list (people who’ve
> specifically stated they’d like to be informed of future CC’s — not just
a
> registration database) it’d be fabulous if you could send me the info, in
> any form, even copies of registration forms would be fine with me. I can
> enter the data into the spreadsheet.
>
> I don’t know if CC27 added any data to the list either (no way for me to
> tell by looking).
>
> Dora, do you have a copy of this list already? If not, give the word, and
> I’ll happily give you access. (I’ve uploaded the data into a restricted
> Google Doc, so anyone with access gets the most up to date version that
> exists — much more efficient than trying to keep multiple copies of it
> up-to-date in different cities.)
>
> Michael, whenever you’d like access to this info, I’m happy to add you as
> “sharing” on it, of course, too.
>
> -Marg
>
>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc%40yahoogroups.com>, “Michael”
> <bruno@…> wrote:
> >
> > I believe there was a movement to collect names/addresses/email
addresses
> to create a permanent CC mailing list. I know I have the option to join
the
> list on my registration forms. Does that list exist yet? If so, who has
it?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> > Michael
> >
>
>
>




Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

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Group: runacc Message: 2156 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: Re: perpetual CC mailing list

Hi, Bruce!

I’ll point out that I created the RunaCC list precisely so we could
share stuff with committee members. It’s a tool, but not necessarily the
only one we should use.

The cool thing Google does (that I don’t think Yahoo does just yet, but
feel free to correct me if I’m wrong) is allow collaborative access to
documents: Not just to read them but also to edit them. I just spent a
bunch of time helping to organize our group trip down to Walt Disney
World (coordinated between 15 people) via Google Docs using their
spreadsheet. It was a piece of cake. Everyone got to edit their data,
and everyone got to see what was going on when. Helped a whole lot with
the planning process in general.

The last time I checked Yahoo allowed for upload of files, but not for
editing those files amongst the group. I think (but could be wrong) that
only the original document owner or the moderator can edit a Yahoo doc.
I don’t have that kind of time.

You don’t need a Google account to make changes to Google docs. You just
need to set the doc with the proper permissions. Sharing the link with
the group should do it. (There’s a setting for allowing anyone with the
link to edit, and for keeping the doc private unless the link is shared
elsewhere.)

If I understand your concern, you’re thinking we’d need to set up a
whole new group there. Not so. All you have to do is share the link to
the document.

If Yahoo can, in fact, allow for collaborative editing, then by all
means we should leave the document here. It’s a much uglier thing to
have more than one list floating around, because the margin for error
increases with each copy. I have a personal preference for Yahoo’s group
function over Google’s (one of the few things that they still do right).

If not, I don’t see the harm in putting the doc on Google, so that it’s
the One True List, editable by each committee, downloadable when we need
to merge for a mailing.

If this gets to be a serious mailing endeavor, I believe Yahoo also has
a database function, in which case we could import the data to the
database and use that.

I’d say we’re way under-utilizing the tools we have on this group site
in general, but maybe we don’t need the calendar and other features.

Other opinions welcome. You’ve got mine!

Happy New Year!!!

Cheers,

Betsy

On 12/30/2010 6:09 PM, Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:
> Okay, maybe I’m missing the point here, but shouldn’t this kind of document
> be available ON the “Run A CC” Yahoo group? This list is supposed be for
> future committees, among other folks. I don’t have an objection to Google
> docs per se (other than it’s yet another group I’d possibly have to be
> involved with). Costume-Con 25 was the first to implement this share list
> idea, so we’d like to see this mailing list idea continued. It’s
> definitely beneficial to the future cons.
>
> Bruce



Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

Group: runacc Message: 2157 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: Re: perpetual CC mailing list

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Nora & Bruce Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> Okay, maybe I’m missing the point here, but shouldn’t this kind of document
> be available ON the “Run A CC” Yahoo group? This list is supposed be for
> future committees, among other folks. I don’t have an objection to Google
> docs per se (other than it’s yet another group I’d possibly have to be
> involved with). Costume-Con 25 was the first to implement this share list
> idea, so we’d like to see this mailing list idea continued. It’s
> definitely beneficial to the future cons.
>
>
>
> Bruce
>
>

While it sounds like a good idea in theory, I don’t think it’s a good idea.
We’re talking about people’s private information covered by privacy laws.
It’s probably stretching the law a bit to say that “permission to pass on to
future costume cons” can be translated to “can be posted on a semi-private
weblist that includes future costume-con runners and other people”,
especially if some well-meaning member of the list utilized that private
information for some other purpose. It’s safer for all of us if the list
stays as a passdown from con to con, even if that makes it a little more
likely to get lost.

~Aurora

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Group: runacc Message: 2158 From: Nora Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: Re: perpetual CC mailing list

Treu, Yahoo doesn’t allow editing.
If you can just lin from Google… but I don’t think allowing open access to the document would be good. Kind of negates the specific usage permission associated with it. It’d need to have fairly specific rights assigned to it.

Nora

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Betsy Delaney <aramintamd@…> wrote:
>
> Hi, Bruce!
>
> I’ll point out that I created the RunaCC list precisely so we could
> share stuff with committee members. It’s a tool, but not necessarily the
> only one we should use.
>
> The cool thing Google does (that I don’t think Yahoo does just yet, but
> feel free to correct me if I’m wrong) is allow collaborative access to
> documents: Not just to read them but also to edit them. I just spent a
> bunch of time helping to organize our group trip down to Walt Disney
> World (coordinated between 15 people) via Google Docs using their
> spreadsheet. It was a piece of cake. Everyone got to edit their data,
> and everyone got to see what was going on when. Helped a whole lot with
> the planning process in general.
>
> The last time I checked Yahoo allowed for upload of files, but not for
> editing those files amongst the group. I think (but could be wrong) that
> only the original document owner or the moderator can edit a Yahoo doc.
> I don’t have that kind of time.
>
> You don’t need a Google account to make changes to Google docs. You just
> need to set the doc with the proper permissions. Sharing the link with
> the group should do it. (There’s a setting for allowing anyone with the
> link to edit, and for keeping the doc private unless the link is shared
> elsewhere.)
>
> If I understand your concern, you’re thinking we’d need to set up a
> whole new group there. Not so. All you have to do is share the link to
> the document.
>
> If Yahoo can, in fact, allow for collaborative editing, then by all
> means we should leave the document here. It’s a much uglier thing to
> have more than one list floating around, because the margin for error
> increases with each copy. I have a personal preference for Yahoo’s group
> function over Google’s (one of the few things that they still do right).
>
> If not, I don’t see the harm in putting the doc on Google, so that it’s
> the One True List, editable by each committee, downloadable when we need
> to merge for a mailing.
>
> If this gets to be a serious mailing endeavor, I believe Yahoo also has
> a database function, in which case we could import the data to the
> database and use that.
>
> I’d say we’re way under-utilizing the tools we have on this group site
> in general, but maybe we don’t need the calendar and other features.
>
> Other opinions welcome. You’ve got mine!
>
> Happy New Year!!!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Betsy
>
> On 12/30/2010 6:09 PM, Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:
> > Okay, maybe I’m missing the point here, but shouldn’t this kind of document
> > be available ON the “Run A CC” Yahoo group? This list is supposed be for
> > future committees, among other folks. I don’t have an objection to Google
> > docs per se (other than it’s yet another group I’d possibly have to be
> > involved with). Costume-Con 25 was the first to implement this share list
> > idea, so we’d like to see this mailing list idea continued. It’s
> > definitely beneficial to the future cons.
> >
> > Bruce
>
> —
> —
> Betsy Marks Delaney
>
> http://www.hawkeswood.com/
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2159 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: Re: perpetual CC mailing list

Truth. Darn.

I suppose if we limited access to only those folks directly responsible for
membership at each CC, that would satisfy the question, but I suspect the
passdown method is the most secure.

Henry, I think this means you probably need to kick the update of your data
into a higher priority queue, so you can pass the most current info to CC29
ASAP.

Can you find someone else to do the work?

Note: The biggest disadvantage to keeping it as a passdown is that all
concoms need to remember to pass the updated document to three separate
committees, and to make the updates high priority, along with closing the
books on the con. If everyone agrees that the only way to get on the list is
to wait till after each con is over, then presumably once the data is
updated, the con that just ended will then send the newly updated list to
the next three cons along with the pass-through funds.

Clunky, but maybe for the best.

Karen, I hate to ask this: Would it make sense to include something on this
topic in the ConStitution (if you haven’t already done it)? I don’t think
the subject’s ever been addressed there, but I could be wrong…

Cheers,

Betsy

On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Nora <von_drago@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
> Treu, Yahoo doesn’t allow editing.
> If you can just lin from Google… but I don’t think allowing open access
> to the document would be good. Kind of negates the specific usage permission
> associated with it. It’d need to have fairly specific rights assigned to it.
>
> Nora
>
>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc%40yahoogroups.com>, Betsy Delaney
> <aramintamd@…> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Bruce!
> >
> > I’ll point out that I created the RunaCC list precisely so we could
> > share stuff with committee members. It’s a tool, but not necessarily the
> > only one we should use.
> >
> > The cool thing Google does (that I don’t think Yahoo does just yet, but
> > feel free to correct me if I’m wrong) is allow collaborative access to
> > documents: Not just to read them but also to edit them. I just spent a
> > bunch of time helping to organize our group trip down to Walt Disney
> > World (coordinated between 15 people) via Google Docs using their
> > spreadsheet. It was a piece of cake. Everyone got to edit their data,
> > and everyone got to see what was going on when. Helped a whole lot with
> > the planning process in general.
> >
> > The last time I checked Yahoo allowed for upload of files, but not for
> > editing those files amongst the group. I think (but could be wrong) that
> > only the original document owner or the moderator can edit a Yahoo doc.
> > I don’t have that kind of time.
> >
> > You don’t need a Google account to make changes to Google docs. You just
> > need to set the doc with the proper permissions. Sharing the link with
> > the group should do it. (There’s a setting for allowing anyone with the
> > link to edit, and for keeping the doc private unless the link is shared
> > elsewhere.)
> >
> > If I understand your concern, you’re thinking we’d need to set up a
> > whole new group there. Not so. All you have to do is share the link to
> > the document.
> >
> > If Yahoo can, in fact, allow for collaborative editing, then by all
> > means we should leave the document here. It’s a much uglier thing to
> > have more than one list floating around, because the margin for error
> > increases with each copy. I have a personal preference for Yahoo’s group
> > function over Google’s (one of the few things that they still do right).
> >
> > If not, I don’t see the harm in putting the doc on Google, so that it’s
> > the One True List, editable by each committee, downloadable when we need
> > to merge for a mailing.
> >
> > If this gets to be a serious mailing endeavor, I believe Yahoo also has
> > a database function, in which case we could import the data to the
> > database and use that.
> >
> > I’d say we’re way under-utilizing the tools we have on this group site
> > in general, but maybe we don’t need the calendar and other features.
> >
> > Other opinions welcome. You’ve got mine!
> >
> > Happy New Year!!!
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Betsy
> >
> > On 12/30/2010 6:09 PM, Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:
> > > Okay, maybe I’m missing the point here, but shouldn’t this kind of
> document
> > > be available ON the “Run A CC” Yahoo group? This list is supposed be
> for
> > > future committees, among other folks. I don’t have an objection to
> Google
> > > docs per se (other than it’s yet another group I’d possibly have to be
> > > involved with). Costume-Con 25 was the first to implement this share
> list
> > > idea, so we’d like to see this mailing list idea continued. It’s
> > > definitely beneficial to the future cons.
> > >
> > > Bruce
> >
> > —
> > —
> > Betsy Marks Delaney
> >
> > http://www.hawkeswood.com/
> >
>
>
>




Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

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Group: runacc Message: 2160 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: Re: perpetual CC mailing list
Okay, you’ve clarified that a little. No – I hadn’t intended to have a new
group created (Oh, Lord!). For some reason, I thought it was easier to edit
docs in the Yahoo files, but I suppose that would require everyone to have
Excel or some sort of spreadsheet software. I suppose that if this Google
docs thing is easier to work with and is less tech-geeky, that’s okay.

Bruce

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Betsy Delaney
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 9:11 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: perpetual CC mailing list

Hi, Bruce!

I’ll point out that I created the RunaCC list precisely so we could
share stuff with committee members. It’s a tool, but not necessarily the
only one we should use.

The cool thing Google does (that I don’t think Yahoo does just yet, but
feel free to correct me if I’m wrong) is allow collaborative access to
documents: Not just to read them but also to edit them. I just spent a
bunch of time helping to organize our group trip down to Walt Disney
World (coordinated between 15 people) via Google Docs using their
spreadsheet. It was a piece of cake. Everyone got to edit their data,
and everyone got to see what was going on when. Helped a whole lot with
the planning process in general.

The last time I checked Yahoo allowed for upload of files, but not for
editing those files amongst the group. I think (but could be wrong) that
only the original document owner or the moderator can edit a Yahoo doc.
I don’t have that kind of time.

You don’t need a Google account to make changes to Google docs. You just
need to set the doc with the proper permissions. Sharing the link with
the group should do it. (There’s a setting for allowing anyone with the
link to edit, and for keeping the doc private unless the link is shared
elsewhere.)

If I understand your concern, you’re thinking we’d need to set up a
whole new group there. Not so. All you have to do is share the link to
the document.

If Yahoo can, in fact, allow for collaborative editing, then by all
means we should leave the document here. It’s a much uglier thing to
have more than one list floating around, because the margin for error
increases with each copy. I have a personal preference for Yahoo’s group
function over Google’s (one of the few things that they still do right).

If not, I don’t see the harm in putting the doc on Google, so that it’s
the One True List, editable by each committee, downloadable when we need
to merge for a mailing.

If this gets to be a serious mailing endeavor, I believe Yahoo also has
a database function, in which case we could import the data to the
database and use that.

I’d say we’re way under-utilizing the tools we have on this group site
in general, but maybe we don’t need the calendar and other features.

Other opinions welcome. You’ve got mine!

Happy New Year!!!

Cheers,

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 2161 From: Margie Date: 1/1/2011
Subject: Re: perpetual CC mailing list

I have shared the Google Doc with Dora and Michael (Dora already may have her own copy, I don’t know) — hopefully all will update this single document so that we all have current data.

As it is technically “private” data, I didn’t think it was appropriate to put a link to it in this Yahoo group. As long as it is shared with the upcoming chairs, and whomever they deem necessary, I think we’re okay.

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Nora & Bruce Mai” <casamai@…> wrote:
>
> Okay, you’ve clarified that a little. No – I hadn’t intended to have a new
> group created (Oh, Lord!). For some reason, I thought it was easier to edit
> docs in the Yahoo files, but I suppose that would require everyone to have
> Excel or some sort of spreadsheet software. I suppose that if this Google
> docs thing is easier to work with and is less tech-geeky, that’s okay.
>
>
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Betsy Delaney
> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 9:11 PM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: perpetual CC mailing list
>
>
>
> Hi, Bruce!
>
> I’ll point out that I created the RunaCC list precisely so we could
> share stuff with committee members. It’s a tool, but not necessarily the
> only one we should use.
>
> The cool thing Google does (that I don’t think Yahoo does just yet, but
> feel free to correct me if I’m wrong) is allow collaborative access to
> documents: Not just to read them but also to edit them. I just spent a
> bunch of time helping to organize our group trip down to Walt Disney
> World (coordinated between 15 people) via Google Docs using their
> spreadsheet. It was a piece of cake. Everyone got to edit their data,
> and everyone got to see what was going on when. Helped a whole lot with
> the planning process in general.
>
> The last time I checked Yahoo allowed for upload of files, but not for
> editing those files amongst the group. I think (but could be wrong) that
> only the original document owner or the moderator can edit a Yahoo doc.
> I don’t have that kind of time.
>
> You don’t need a Google account to make changes to Google docs. You just
> need to set the doc with the proper permissions. Sharing the link with
> the group should do it. (There’s a setting for allowing anyone with the
> link to edit, and for keeping the doc private unless the link is shared
> elsewhere.)
>
> If I understand your concern, you’re thinking we’d need to set up a
> whole new group there. Not so. All you have to do is share the link to
> the document.
>
> If Yahoo can, in fact, allow for collaborative editing, then by all
> means we should leave the document here. It’s a much uglier thing to
> have more than one list floating around, because the margin for error
> increases with each copy. I have a personal preference for Yahoo’s group
> function over Google’s (one of the few things that they still do right).
>
> If not, I don’t see the harm in putting the doc on Google, so that it’s
> the One True List, editable by each committee, downloadable when we need
> to merge for a mailing.
>
> If this gets to be a serious mailing endeavor, I believe Yahoo also has
> a database function, in which case we could import the data to the
> database and use that.
>
> I’d say we’re way under-utilizing the tools we have on this group site
> in general, but maybe we don’t need the calendar and other features.
>
> Other opinions welcome. You’ve got mine!
>
> Happy New Year!!!
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2162 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 1/1/2011
Subject: Re: perpetual CC mailing list

Hi; Margie!

I think you will need to add Henry or he won’t be able to add the
names/corrections from last year.

Cheers,

Betsy

Betsy Marks Delaney

On Jan 1, 2011 2:25 PM, “Margie” <marg1066@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have shared the Google Doc with Dora and Michael (Dora already may have
her own copy, I don’t know) — hopefully all will update this single
document so that we all have current data.
>
> As it is technically “private” data, I didn’t think it was appropriate to
put a link to it in this Yahoo group. As long as it is shared with the
upcoming chairs, and whomever they deem necessary, I think we’re okay.
>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Nora & Bruce Mai” <casamai@…> wrote:
>>
>> Okay, you’ve clarified that a little. No – I hadn’t intended to have a
new
>> group created (Oh, Lord!). For some reason, I thought it was easier to
edit
>> docs in the Yahoo files, but I suppose that would require everyone to
have
>> Excel or some sort of spreadsheet software. I suppose that if this Google
>> docs thing is easier to work with and is less tech-geeky, that’s okay.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>>
>>
>> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
>> Betsy Delaney
>> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 9:11 PM
>> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: perpetual CC mailing list
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi, Bruce!
>>
>> I’ll point out that I created the RunaCC list precisely so we could
>> share stuff with committee members. It’s a tool, but not necessarily the
>> only one we should use.
>>
>> The cool thing Google does (that I don’t think Yahoo does just yet, but
>> feel free to correct me if I’m wrong) is allow collaborative access to
>> documents: Not just to read them but also to edit them. I just spent a
>> bunch of time helping to organize our group trip down to Walt Disney
>> World (coordinated between 15 people) via Google Docs using their
>> spreadsheet. It was a piece of cake. Everyone got to edit their data,
>> and everyone got to see what was going on when. Helped a whole lot with
>> the planning process in general.
>>
>> The last time I checked Yahoo allowed for upload of files, but not for
>> editing those files amongst the group. I think (but could be wrong) that
>> only the original document owner or the moderator can edit a Yahoo doc.
>> I don’t have that kind of time.
>>
>> You don’t need a Google account to make changes to Google docs. You just
>> need to set the doc with the proper permissions. Sharing the link with
>> the group should do it. (There’s a setting for allowing anyone with the
>> link to edit, and for keeping the doc private unless the link is shared
>> elsewhere.)
>>
>> If I understand your concern, you’re thinking we’d need to set up a
>> whole new group there. Not so. All you have to do is share the link to
>> the document.
>>
>> If Yahoo can, in fact, allow for collaborative editing, then by all
>> means we should leave the document here. It’s a much uglier thing to
>> have more than one list floating around, because the margin for error
>> increases with each copy. I have a personal preference for Yahoo’s group
>> function over Google’s (one of the few things that they still do right).
>>
>> If not, I don’t see the harm in putting the doc on Google, so that it’s
>> the One True List, editable by each committee, downloadable when we need
>> to merge for a mailing.
>>
>> If this gets to be a serious mailing endeavor, I believe Yahoo also has
>> a database function, in which case we could import the data to the
>> database and use that.
>>
>> I’d say we’re way under-utilizing the tools we have on this group site
>> in general, but maybe we don’t need the calendar and other features.
>>
>> Other opinions welcome. You’ve got mine!
>>
>> Happy New Year!!!
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 2163 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 2/1/2011
Subject: Fwd: [colocons] FW: Convention Organizers
I got this through the Denver con runners list.

——– Original Message ——–

From: Andy Hopp [mailto:andy@andyhopp.com [1]]
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 8:54 AM
Subject: Convention Organizers

Hello, fellow convention organizer,

Andy Hopp here, director of Con on the Cob (www.cononthecob.com).
I’d like to introduce you to a new program I’m putting together with
the
goal of boosting attendance and interest in all of our conventions.
It’s
called Badge Buddy and works like this: There is a centralized website

that lists every participating con, it’s dates and location, and a
brief
summary of activities and guests. Nothing new there, a ton of sites do

that, but Badge Buddy isn’t just a website for listing cons, each
participating con also lists a prize for bringing a badge from another

participating convention to the show. Each badge gets you the prize or

discount. For example, Con on the Cob will give one free Coin on the
Cob
(a token worth $1 in the art show or vendor hall) for each badge
someone
brings from another con in the system (beginning in 2010). So, if
somebody brings a badge from AnCon 2010, AnCon 2011, 3Con 2011, and
Origins 2010 to Con on the Cob he or she will receive four free Coins
on
the Cob. Other possible prizes might be free generic gaming tickets,
$1
of a badge, or whatever you decide. The more cons a person attends the

more they get.

Participation in the system is absolutely free and you get to
decide what prize to offer. Hopefully this will help us spread the
word
about our individual conventions and lead to more communication and
idea-sharing between us all.

If you’d like to participate please send me the following information:

Convention Name
Location of Event
Mailing Address
Contact Name and Email
A Brief description of your event
The Prize you’d like to offer

I’ll launch the website once we have a decent number of cons on the
list. I’d love to hear any ideas you might have.

Thanks a lot,

Andy Hopp
Con on the Cob (www.cononthecob.com)

 

Group: runacc Message: 2164 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 2/23/2011
Subject: monday activities
Time to shake up the list. 🙂

There seems to have been a trend the last few years with fewer and
fewer programming on Monday. What are the groups thoughts on moving the
Single Pattern or Fashion Show to Monday. Do you think either of those,
or maybe something new would would be a draw to keep people at the
convention on Monday? Or, is CC scaling back to a three day convention?

Michael

 

Group: runacc Message: 2165 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 2/23/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities

Here’s the disturbing statement from the n00b:

Costume Con is intended to be a 4 day convention?

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 10:26 PM, <bruno@soulmasque.com> wrote:

> Time to shake up the list. 🙂
>
> There seems to have been a trend the last few years with fewer and
> fewer programming on Monday. What are the groups thoughts on moving the
> Single Pattern or Fashion Show to Monday. Do you think either of those,
> or maybe something new would would be a draw to keep people at the
> convention on Monday? Or, is CC scaling back to a three day convention?
>
>
> Michael
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 2166 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 2/23/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities

Maybe a 3.5 day convention.

On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 22:28:00 -0600, Aurora Celeste
<auroraceleste@gmail.com> wrote:

> Here’s the disturbing statement from the n00b:
>
> Costume Con is intended to be a 4 day convention?
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2167 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities

seems it’s traditionally a 3 day. to be honest, I have allways felt that the
monday stuff was a ploy to get as many room nights in for the con budget.

OTOH, when we (27) didnt have much happening on monday, we caught hell, and
added stuff

mondays used to only be for a dead dog party, for those who felt like staying
over.

I do not think running a main event on monday is a good idea at all. it will
just make people stay over till tuesday.

and I dont think many people really want that

The spirit of CC was originally a 3 day weekend, to accomodate the historic on
sunday, and people left on monday.

Gravely MacCabre
http://www.castleblood.com
http://www.midnightmonsterhop.com
http://www.myspace.com/thecastleblood
http://www.myspace.com/midnightmonsterhop
clip samples at
http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood

________________________________
From: “bruno@soulmasque.com” <bruno@soulmasque.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, February 23, 2011 11:31:01 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] monday activities

Maybe a 3.5 day convention.

On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 22:28:00 -0600, Aurora Celeste
<auroraceleste@gmail.com> wrote:

> Here’s the disturbing statement from the n00b:
>
> Costume Con is intended to be a 4 day convention?
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 2168 From: Lisa A Ashton Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities

I, for one, can answer to that–we are planning programming on Monday
running through about 1-2 pm. Morning programming will include a Bruce
Mai presentation of video archives, and it will also have programming
from all tracks. I am working it on it as we speak.

I believe that we retain all of our function space through Monday as
well.

Yours in costuming,Lisa A

On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 20:26:20 -0800 <bruno@soulmasque.com> writes:

> Time to shake up the list. 🙂
>
> There seems to have been a trend the last few years with fewer and
>
> fewer programming on Monday. What are the groups thoughts on
> moving the
> Single Pattern or Fashion Show to Monday. Do you think either of
> those,
> or maybe something new would would be a draw to keep people at the
>
> convention on Monday? Or, is CC scaling back to a three day
> convention?
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document:
> http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2169 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities

We were told at our first CC (#10 in 1992) that CC was a full 4 day con. W hadn’t planned for that so ended up missing out on some fun. After that we’ve generally planned to stay until Tuesday.
It does seem that many of th recent CCs have been somewhat lacking on Mondays although we’ve still enjoyed hanging out, maybe sight-seeing & dinner with the remaing stalwarts.

Nora

— On Wed, 2/23/11, Gravely MacCabre <gravelymac@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Gravely MacCabre <gravelymac@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [runacc] monday activities
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 11:58 PM

seems it’s traditionally a 3 day. to be honest, I have allways felt that the
monday stuff was a ploy to get as many room nights in for the con budget.

OTOH, when we (27) didnt have much happening on monday, we caught hell, and
added stuff

mondays used to only be for a dead dog party, for those who felt like staying
over.

I do not think running a main event on monday is a good idea at all. it will
just make people stay over till tuesday.

and I dont think many people really want that

The spirit of CC was originally a 3 day weekend, to accomodate the historic on
sunday, and people left on monday.

Gravely MacCabre
http://www.castleblood.com
http://www.midnightmonsterhop.com
http://www.myspace.com/thecastleblood
http://www.myspace.com/midnightmonsterhop
clip samples at
http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood

________________________________
From: “bruno@soulmasque.com” <bruno@soulmasque.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, February 23, 2011 11:31:01 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] monday activities

Maybe a 3.5 day convention.

On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 22:28:00 -0600, Aurora Celeste
<auroraceleste@gmail.com> wrote:
> Here’s the disturbing statement from the n00b:
>
> Costume Con is intended to be a 4 day convention?
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

————————————

View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo! Groups Links

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 2170 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities

Lisa’s plan seems about right, it still allows most people to check out of the
hotel and go home on monday

just like sunday of regular cons

and as Nora says in a seperate message, then monday afternoon, evening, is great
for local visits and shopping, and dinner with whomever is left that night

be very careful on your contract about what rooms you have.
for 27 we gave up 80% of the space come 4 ish on monday, and somnehow they got
that down as all our space, and we were left with no con suite monday night for
the remaining folks. we sorta managed and moved to an empty room, but it was the
one thing the hotel screwed up on with us.
Gravely MacCabre
http://www.castleblood.com
http://www.midnightmonsterhop.com
http://www.myspace.com/thecastleblood
http://www.myspace.com/midnightmonsterhop
clip samples at
http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood

________________________________
From: Lisa A Ashton <lisa58@juno.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, February 24, 2011 6:19:56 AM
Subject: Re: [runacc] monday activities

I, for one, can answer to that–we are planning programming on Monday
running through about 1-2 pm. Morning programming will include a Bruce
Mai presentation of video archives, and it will also have programming
from all tracks. I am working it on it as we speak.

I believe that we retain all of our function space through Monday as
well.

Yours in costuming,Lisa A

On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 20:26:20 -0800 <bruno@soulmasque.com> writes:

> Time to shake up the list. 🙂
>
> There seems to have been a trend the last few years with fewer and
>
> fewer programming on Monday. What are the groups thoughts on
> moving the
> Single Pattern or Fashion Show to Monday. Do you think either of
> those,
> or maybe something new would would be a draw to keep people at the
>
> convention on Monday? Or, is CC scaling back to a three day
> convention?
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document:
> http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 2171 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities

“just like sunday of regular cons” – yeah, a lot like that. Somewhat lighter programming, folks who want to leave on Monday still can in the afternoon, etc.

Nora

— On Thu, 2/24/11, Gravely MacCabre <gravelymac@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Gravely MacCabre <gravelymac@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [runacc] monday activities
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 9:10 AM

Lisa’s plan seems about right, it still allows most people to check out of the
hotel and go home on monday

just like sunday of regular cons

and as Nora says in a seperate message, then monday afternoon, evening, is great
for local visits and shopping, and dinner with whomever is left that night

be very careful on your contract about what rooms you have.
for 27 we gave up 80% of the space come 4 ish on monday, and somnehow they got
that down as all our space, and we were left with no con suite monday night for
the remaining folks. we sorta managed and moved to an empty room, but it was the
one thing the hotel screwed up on with us.
Gravely MacCabre
http://www.castleblood.com
http://www.midnightmonsterhop.com
http://www.myspace.com/thecastleblood
http://www.myspace.com/midnightmonsterhop
clip samples at
http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood

________________________________
From: Lisa A Ashton <lisa58@juno.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, February 24, 2011 6:19:56 AM
Subject: Re: [runacc] monday activities

I, for one, can answer to that–we are planning programming on Monday
running through about 1-2 pm. Morning programming will include a Bruce
Mai presentation of video archives, and it will also have programming
from all tracks. I am working it on it as we speak.

I believe that we retain all of our function space through Monday as
well.

Yours in costuming,Lisa A

On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 20:26:20 -0800 <bruno@soulmasque.com> writes:
> Time to shake up the list. 🙂
>
> There seems to have been a trend the last few years with fewer and
>
> fewer programming on Monday. What are the groups thoughts on
> moving the
> Single Pattern or Fashion Show to Monday. Do you think either of
> those,
> or maybe something new would would be a draw to keep people at the
>
> convention on Monday? Or, is CC scaling back to a three day
> convention?
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document:
> http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

————————————

View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo! Groups Links

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 2172 From: Elaine Mami Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities

Pretty much the same for CC 30. Programming will be happening Monday morning, but nothing major.

Elaine
Recliner, CC 30

I, for one, can answer to that–we are planning programming on Monday
running through about 1-2 pm. Morning programming will include a Bruce
Mai presentation of video archives, and it will also have programming
from all tracks. I am working it on it as we speak.

I believe that we retain all of our function space through Monday as
well.

Yours in costuming,Lisa A

On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 20:26:20 -0800 <bruno@soulmasque.com> writes:

> Time to shake up the list. 🙂
>
> There seems to have been a trend the last few years with fewer and
>
> fewer programming on Monday. What are the groups thoughts on
> moving the
> Single Pattern or Fashion Show to Monday. Do you think either of
> those,
> or maybe something new would would be a draw to keep people at the
>
> convention on Monday? Or, is CC scaling back to a three day
> convention?
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document:
> http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 2173 From: Elaine Mami Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities
Monday used to be when the ICG meetings were held, with a ew panels for those who didn’t want to go to the meeting. When the meeting was moved to Friday morning – so people could leave earlier on Monday – the days shifted. Now, folks are arriving Thurs. and staying until Mon. We are approaching a 4.5 day con!

Elaine
Nil significat nisi oscillat!

Time to shake up the list. 🙂

There seems to have been a trend the last few years with fewer and
fewer programming on Monday. What are the groups thoughts on moving the
Single Pattern or Fashion Show to Monday. Do you think either of those,
or maybe something new would would be a draw to keep people at the
convention on Monday? Or, is CC scaling back to a three day convention?

Michael

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 2174 From: Kevin Roche Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities

Remember, too, that for many years CC was usually held on a three day
weekend (Memorial Day, Martin Luther King Day, Presidents Day) so lots
of people would have the Monday off. That has been less common lately.

Kevin

On 2/24/2011 6:32 AM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
>
> We were told at our first CC (#10 in 1992) that CC was a full 4 day
> con. W hadn’t planned for that so ended up missing out on some fun.
> After that we’ve generally planned to stay until Tuesday.
> It does seem that many of th recent CCs have been somewhat lacking on
> Mondays although we’ve still enjoyed hanging out, maybe sight-seeing &
> dinner with the remaing stalwarts.
>
> Nora
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 2175 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities

True, some of the organizers thought people had those days off but it’s generally not true. Most people actually had to take those “holidays” as PTO. But if you had to take off for Friday anyway it wasn’t a big deal.
And used to be that CC was in some months other than May – not for a while though. It’d be nice but it’s more difficult when the con is North-ish. I remember that CC11 was on President’s weekend & we drove through a lot of snow to get home to St. Louis.

Nora

— On Thu, 2/24/11, Kevin Roche <chair@cc26.org> wrote:

From: Kevin Roche <chair@cc26.org>
Subject: Re: [runacc] monday activities
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 11:23 AM

Remember, too, that for many years CC was usually held on a three day
weekend (Memorial Day, Martin Luther King Day, Presidents Day) so lots
of people would have the Monday off. That has been less common lately.

Kevin

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 2176 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities
Elaine wrote:

Monday used to be when the ICG meetings were held,

Yup, now theres a way to get people to want to leave early LOL!

Ricky

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 2177 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities

That was my understanding that CC used to be held on holiday weekends;
however most major cities probably already have a convention on most
holiday weekends.

Michael

On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 09:23:58 -0800, Kevin Roche <chair@cc26.org> wrote:
> Remember, too, that for many years CC was usually held on a three day
>
> weekend (Memorial Day, Martin Luther King Day, Presidents Day) so
> lots
> of people would have the Monday off. That has been less common
> lately.
>
> Kevin

 

Group: runacc Message: 2178 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities

I don’t think nearly as many people get those holidays off as there
used to be. I was concerned with weather with CC17 being in early
February, but it was fine.

Michael

On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 09:40:52 -0800 (PST), Bruce & Nora Mai
<casamai@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> True, some of the organizers thought people had those days off but
> it’s generally not true. Most people actually had to take those
> “holidays” as PTO. But if you had to take off for Friday anyway it
> wasn’t a big deal.
> And used to be that CC was in some months other than May – not for a
> while though. It’d be nice but it’s more difficult when the con is
> North-ish. I remember that CC11 was on President’s weekend & we drove
> through a lot of snow to get home to St. Louis.
>
> Nora

 

Group: runacc Message: 2179 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities

Cons here run programming until 5 or 6 pm on Sunday. I usually don’t
stay past 3ish, unless I have to.

Michael

On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 07:10:45 -0800 (PST), Gravely MacCabre
<gravelymac@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> just like sunday of regular cons

 

Group: runacc Message: 2180 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities
People seem to be in consensus that CC runs until Noon on Monday, if
there is programming or the archives roadshow to support it. How does
the group feel about moving one of the smaller stage events or a new
stage event to Monday. Do you think that would attract more people to
stay on Monday? This is a question about the convention experience.
It’s not a question about room nights.

Michael

 

Group: runacc Message: 2181 From: Martin Gear Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities

Just my personal opinion, but if the con Monday is not a holiday, then
I’d really rather not have to worry about program items on Monday. I
might want to sight see, or I might want to catch a flight back
depending upon what is going on in my life at the time. A three day con
is fine with me.

Marty

On 2/24/2011 9:07 PM, bruno@soulmasque.com wrote:
>
> People seem to be in consensus that CC runs until Noon on Monday, if
> there is programming or the archives roadshow to support it. How does
> the group feel about moving one of the smaller stage events or a new
> stage event to Monday. Do you think that would attract more people to
> stay on Monday? This is a question about the convention experience.
> It’s not a question about room nights.
>
> Michael
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2182 From: Lisa A Ashton Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities

CC29 will have programming on Sunday running til about 5 or 6 pm, then
there will be some time before the historical Masq. (so people can get
dinner, dress, get ready) . It seems like most hte general interest cons
I attend tehse days all have evening and night programming, with panels
often running past midnight.

Yours in cosutming,Lisa A

On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:55:08 -0800 <bruno@soulmasque.com> writes:

> Cons here run programming until 5 or 6 pm on Sunday. I usually
> don’t
> stay past 3ish, unless I have to.
>
> Michael
>
>
> On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 07:10:45 -0800 (PST), Gravely MacCabre
> <gravelymac@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > just like sunday of regular cons

 

Group: runacc Message: 2183 From: Dora Buck Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities

Okay, Jumping in here for CC29.  We will have programming on Friday afternoon going to Monday noon.  The rest of the day is for day trips and hanging out.  The con suite will be open all day on Monday.

Dora Buck
Costume-Con 29 Chair

From: Martin Gear <MartinGear@comcast.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Cc:
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] monday activities

Just my personal opinion, but if the con Monday is not a holiday, then
I’d really rather not have to worry about program items on Monday. I
might want to sight see, or I might want to catch a flight back
depending upon what is going on in my life at the time. A three day con
is fine with me.

Marty

On 2/24/2011 9:07 PM, bruno@soulmasque.com wrote:
>
> People seem to be in consensus that CC runs until Noon on Monday, if
> there is programming or the archives roadshow to support it. How does
> the group feel about moving one of the smaller stage events or a new
> stage event to Monday. Do you think that would attract more people to
> stay on Monday? This is a question about the convention experience.
> It’s not a question about room nights.
>
> Michael
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2184 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities

And Monday night too?

Nora

— On Fri, 2/25/11, Dora Buck <dfaybuck@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Dora Buck <dfaybuck@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [runacc] monday activities
To: “runacc@yahoogroups.com” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, February 25, 2011, 11:45 AM

Okay, Jumping in here for CC29.  We will have programming on Friday afternoon going to Monday noon.  The rest of the day is for day trips and hanging out.  The con suite will be open all day on Monday.

Dora Buck
Costume-Con 29 Chair

From: Martin Gear <MartinGear@comcast.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Cc:
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] monday activities

Just my personal opinion, but if the con Monday is not a holiday, then
I’d really rather not have to worry about program items on Monday. I
might want to sight see, or I might want to catch a flight back
depending upon what is going on in my life at the time. A three day con
is fine with me.

Marty

On 2/24/2011 9:07 PM, bruno@soulmasque.com wrote:
>
> People seem to be in consensus that CC runs until Noon on Monday, if
> there is programming or the archives roadshow to support it. How does
> the group feel about moving one of the smaller stage events or a new
> stage event to Monday. Do you think that would attract more people to
> stay on Monday? This is a question about the convention experience.
> It’s not a question about room nights.
>
> Michael
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2185 From: Dora Buck Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities

Con suite will be open on Monday night also –

Dora Buck
Costume-Con 29 Chair

From: Bruce & Nora Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Cc:
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] monday activities

And Monday night too?

Nora

— On Fri, 2/25/11, Dora Buck <dfaybuck@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Dora Buck <dfaybuck@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [runacc] monday activities
To: “runacc@yahoogroups.com” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, February 25, 2011, 11:45 AM

Okay, Jumping in here for CC29.  We will have programming on Friday afternoon going to Monday noon.  The rest of the day is for day trips and hanging out.  The con suite will be open all day on Monday.

Dora Buck
Costume-Con 29 Chair

From: Martin Gear <MartinGear@comcast.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Cc:
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] monday activities

Just my personal opinion, but if the con Monday is not a holiday, then
I’d really rather not have to worry about program items on Monday. I
might want to sight see, or I might want to catch a flight back
depending upon what is going on in my life at the time. A three day con
is fine with me.

Marty

On 2/24/2011 9:07 PM, bruno@soulmasque.com wrote:
>
> People seem to be in consensus that CC runs until Noon on Monday, if
> there is programming or the archives roadshow to support it. How does
> the group feel about moving one of the smaller stage events or a new
> stage event to Monday. Do you think that would attract more people to
> stay on Monday? This is a question about the convention experience.
> It’s not a question about room nights.
>
> Michael
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2186 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities
I heard a good suggestion once that maybe Monday could be a good time for a repeat of a panel/course, provided there is enough interest in it. Noon or 1:00 is a good cut off time for official con activities. If it hasn’t been decided already, I don’t think putting a stage show on Monday would be very successful.

We’ve been getting good response from the Road Shows since CC25, when Pierre ran his “Masquerade of Champions” presentation at CC25 on Monday. That pretty much determined a good fit for Archive stuff. From my own observations, CC veterans make a good portion of Monday attendees, but we should work towards appealing to newer people. If one wants to retain more attendees, it might be a matter of coming up with something new that might take a few years to build up.

Speaking somewhat self-interestedly <g>, whatever the con would come up with would eventually lead to the Road Show, which would be the last event of the weekend.

What about a special breakfast/panel with some sort of programming? Just throwing an idea out there. Maybe an impromptu survey on the D list or even at the con should be done to see what would make people want to stay over? We’ll always be fighting the urge to want to leave on Monday, in any case. The Mouskerade (choose your spelling) has been fairly popular, but it’s not for everyone.

Bruce

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bruno@soulmasque.com
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 8:07 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] monday activities

People seem to be in consensus that CC runs until Noon on Monday, if
there is programming or the archives roadshow to support it. How does
the group feel about moving one of the smaller stage events or a new
stage event to Monday. Do you think that would attract more people to
stay on Monday? This is a question about the convention experience.
It’s not a question about room nights.

Michael

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Group: runacc Message: 2187 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities – Ricky
Ah. That explains a lot.

Bruce

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gravely MacCabre
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 9:11 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] monday activities

be very careful on your contract about what rooms you have.
for 27 we gave up 80% of the space come 4 ish on monday, and somnehow they got
that down as all our space, and we were left with no con suite monday night for
the remaining folks. we sorta managed and moved to an empty room, but it was the
one thing the hotel screwed up on with us.
Gravely MacCabre

5 – Release Date: 02/24/11

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Group: runacc Message: 2188 From: Martin Gear Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities – Ricky

It didn’t help that I was out of the building returning borrowed items
when this screw-up occurred or I could have shown Melissa a copy of the
contract and kept the rooms that we were supposed to have. By the time
that I got back and learned of this problem a kluge had been worked
out. Lesson to future Costume Cons, don’t let your Hotel Liaison leave
the building until the con is completely over with or unless he/she has
made certain that there is a deputy hotel liaison with a copy of the
contract on the premises.

Marty

On 2/25/2011 2:31 PM, Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:
>
> Ah. That explains a lot.
>
> Bruce
>
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>] On
> Behalf Of Gravely MacCabre
> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 9:11 AM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [runacc] monday activities
>
> be very careful on your contract about what rooms you have.
> for 27 we gave up 80% of the space come 4 ish on monday, and somnehow
> they got
> that down as all our space, and we were left with no con suite monday
> night for
> the remaining folks. we sorta managed and moved to an empty room, but
> it was the
> one thing the hotel screwed up on with us.
> Gravely MacCabre
>
> 5 – Release Date: 02/24/11
>
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>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2189 From: Byron Connell Date: 2/26/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities

I can’t say whether a Monday stage event would entice more people to stay on Monday. However, by Monday, I’m con’d out and would not be interested in a stage event on that day.

Byron

On Feb 24, 2011, at 9:07 PM, <bruno@soulmasque.com> wrote:

> People seem to be in consensus that CC runs until Noon on Monday, if
> there is programming or the archives roadshow to support it. How does
> the group feel about moving one of the smaller stage events or a new
> stage event to Monday. Do you think that would attract more people to
> stay on Monday? This is a question about the convention experience.
> It’s not a question about room nights.
>
> Michael
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2190 From: Elaine Mami Date: 2/26/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities

I concur. Monday morning is when the concom gets to take a deep breath, because all of the “events” have been wrapped up. And it’s for programming that does not include stress. One of my favorite Monday morning panels is the “this is how I made that” show-&-tell. All Oooohs and no Oys!

Elaine
Nil significat nisi oscillat!

>
> I can’t say whether a Monday stage event would entice more people to stay on Monday. However, by Monday, I’m con’d out and would not be interested in a stage event on that day.
>
> Byron
>
>
> On Feb 24, 2011, at 9:07 PM, <bruno@soulmasque.com> wrote:
>
> > People seem to be in consensus that CC runs until Noon on Monday, if
> > there is programming or the archives roadshow to support it. How does
> > the group feel about moving one of the smaller stage events or a new
> > stage event to Monday. Do you think that would attract more people to
> > stay on Monday? This is a question about the convention experience.
> > It’s not a question about room nights.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
>
>
>
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Group: runacc Message: 2191 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 2/26/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities

So sorry if this comes off as rambling. Been walking in the sun all day at
Epcot, and I’m fuzzy brained.

First, IMHO, Show and Tell ought to be run twice – Once for the SF&F
masquerade, and again for the Fashion Show and Historical. I did it that way
the first time I ran the panel, way back when (CC11?!?).

Second, speaking to scheduling: Our area is heavily dominated by government
and school schedules and very few people involved in planning early CCs
worked retail. Having the ICG meeting on Monday morning made sense for these
holiday-weekends.

Frankly, with kids in school now, and being a single parent, I find it
really hard to justify the whole four-day con concept, three day weekend or
not. I am still waffling, hard, about this year’s CC, and am leaning quite
heavily against coming, especially since I’m in Florida at the moment,
taking a very much needed break, and I’ll be driving (AGAIN) out to Colorado
this coming summer. The added expense of a membership I don’t already have,
coupled with the extended cost of a hotel room is striking me as an extra I
can’t afford this year. The girls would not come with me whether I go or
not, because I can’t justify taking them out of school.

With the ICG meeting moved to Friday morning from Monday morning (where it
was for the first 16-18 years or more of the con’s history), it’s also
gotten much harder for me to justify staying Thursday through Monday and
traveling home Tuesday.

I love you all and the dead dog’s fun, but I don’t think it’s worth taking
extra vacation time.

In fact, if it weren’t for the late masquerade Sunday, I’d probably bail
Sunday night and just go home.

I know I’m odd one out at the moment, having taken the kid route late in the
game, but there it is.

My $0.02, adjusted for inflation and unemployment.

-Betsy

On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Elaine Mami <ecmami@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>
> I concur. Monday morning is when the concom gets to take a deep breath,
> because all of the “events” have been wrapped up. And it’s for programming
> that does not include stress. One of my favorite Monday morning panels is
> the “this is how I made that” show-&-tell. All Oooohs and no Oys!
>
>
> Elaine
> Nil significat nisi oscillat!
>




Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

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Group: runacc Message: 2192 From: Lisa A Ashton Date: 2/27/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities

I would certainly agree with you Byron. By Monday, I enjoy more relaxing
panels and discussions–maybe shopping, and I remember a bunch of CC’s
where everyone would come back from shopping to the Con Suite, and show
off what they bought and everyone would “ooh and aah”, and it was just
wonderful sitting around talking, knitting, beading, whatever.

HAving the Con Suite be a welcoming, well-set-up place does make a
difference, some of my most cherished CC memories are of those times.

Yours in cosutming,Lis aA

On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 19:46:00 -0500 Byron Connell
<byronpconnell@gmail.com> writes:

> I can’t say whether a Monday stage event would entice more people to
> stay on Monday. However, by Monday, I’m con’d out and would not be
> interested in a stage event on that day.
>
> Byron
>
>
> On Feb 24, 2011, at 9:07 PM, <bruno@soulmasque.com> wrote:
>
> > People seem to be in consensus that CC runs until Noon on Monday, > >

the group feel about moving one of the smaller stage events or a

> new stage event to Monday. Do you think that would attract more people

to

> > stay on Monday? This is a question about the convention
> experience.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2193 From: Lisa A Ashton Date: 2/27/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities

I can answer for some of the programming issues:

> First, IMHO, Show and Tell ought to be run twice – Once for the SF&F
> masquerade, and again for the Fashion Show and Historical. I did it

that way

> the first time I ran the panel, way back when (CC11?!?).

There will be separate “Show & Tell” panels for the FSF (this will be on
Sunday) and for the Historical, each moderated by its respective (and
respected!) MD. There are also separate panels for discussion about
the Future Fashion Folio and Show, and for the Single Pattern contest.
.

> Second, speaking to scheduling: Our area is heavily dominated by

government

> and school schedules and very few people involved in planning early

CCs

> worked retail. Having the ICG meeting on Monday morning made sense for

these

> holiday-weekends.

These days, it seems that our members have jobs covering the full
spectrum. And with the economy and employment the way it is, there may
be even more folks than usual who cannot attend due to work-related
issues, whether that means they have to conserve funds closely, or are
unable to get even a long weekend off, or are waiting until CC comes
closer to them geographically. It’s difficult for me as well–as a PA in
a very busy ER, that is generally short-staffed with Full-time staff, I
work many, many weekends, and holidays. Hopefully the economy will get
better, and the con will continue to grow and attract new members.

Personally, I LIKE having the ICG meeting on Friday morning, because I
think people aren’t brain-dead and exhausted by then, and then it’s a
natural segue into having Friday afternoon programming. I am planning
to have our Workshop area open Friday morning, and to have Open Beading &
Crafting , with a Round Table discussion of “What Impels Us to
Costume–Why Are We Here?” in the middle of that. The actual workshops
will begin Friday afternoon, when the rest of the program launches. The
program schedule for Friday afternoon is somewhat less crowded than for
Sat. and Sun., but there are some wonderful items being planned, and
quiet a spectrum of topics. Monday morning will present the ICG Video
Archive Road Show, as well as an offering of panels (about 2-3 per hour
of programming, as opposed to 4-5 per hour) that will finish about 1 pm.

> Frankly, with kids in school now, and being a single parent, I find it
> really hard to justify the whole four-day con concept, three day

weekend or not.

Having young children is a challenging time, whether you are a single
parent or not–I also worked FT with young children (one with a learning
disability), and m issed many cons because of school issues or parent
obligations. Life is just life, after all. It’s natural for one’s
children to take priority when they are young, no mistake. And even
having a spouse or partner doesn’t guarantee convention availability.

Yours in costuming, Lis aA

 

Group: runacc Message: 2194 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 2/27/2011
Subject: online registration
I posted CC31 to EventBrite last Wednesday. I got my first inquiry for
information the next day and got my first registration today from a
couple of first time attendees from South Dakota.

Michael

 

Group: runacc Message: 2195 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 2/27/2011
Subject: Re: online registration
nice. them interwebs am amazing huh?

I was pleased/surprised how paypal made my life easier as well
Gravely MacCabre
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________________________________
From: “bruno@soulmasque.com” <bruno@soulmasque.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, February 27, 2011 11:31:05 PM
Subject: [runacc] online registration

I posted CC31 to EventBrite last Wednesday. I got my first inquiry for
information the next day and got my first registration today from a
couple of first time attendees from South Dakota.

Michael

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Group: runacc Message: 2196 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 3/1/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities

On Feb 26, 2011, at 4:46 PM, Byron Connell wrote:

> I can’t say whether a Monday stage event would entice more people to stay on Monday. However, by Monday, I’m con’d out and would not be interested in a stage event on that day.

late to the discussion, I know, but…

Historical masquerade runs pretty late on Sunday, as do the celebrations by the winners (and everyone else). Having absolutely nothing on Monday makes for a really abrupt ending.

Light programming on Monday, though, even past noon, is a good thing. It’s a good time to run judging-related panels (because the competitions are over).

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 2197 From: Byron Connell Date: 3/1/2011
Subject: Re: online registration

Congratulations!

Byron

On Feb 27, 2011, at 11:31 PM, <bruno@soulmasque.com> wrote:

> I posted CC31 to EventBrite last Wednesday. I got my first inquiry for
> information the next day and got my first registration today from a
> couple of first time attendees from South Dakota.
>
> Michael
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2198 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/8/2011
Subject: What, silence on CC29?
To start, there was a great deal of “excellent” in this con, and not
just because someone did a Bill & Ted entry.

Hotel:
We could have done without the school kids and the Governor, but kudos
to the committee for dealing with those issues.

Hotel lay-out was a bit weird, the function room layout made it feel
simultaneously spread-out, claustrophobic and ghettoized, but there was
nothing the convention could really do about it.

While there were good servers in the restaurant and the food was decent,
service was pretty bad. This is an endemic problem in Hilton properties
these days, and a common problem with hotel restaurant management that
just doesn’t believe we need to eat. It doesn’t really reflect on the
committee.

The “Sky Room” for Friday night was great.

The ballroom for masquerade wasn’t optimal, but it’s what they had. Size
was good, but the low ceilings were a handicap.

I’ll let people in the shows comment definitively on the location and
size of green room. The location and path looked OK to me.

The suite for consuite was a good layout and size except at the busiest
times.

Reg:
Quick and efficient when I picked up. There were a few times (like
before F&SF) that it should have been open to sell masquerade tickets (I
was there when two women showed up who were just coming in to help an
entrant and the reg desk couldn’t sell tickets).

Tech:
What can I say? The gang is excellent and dealt successfully with
fucked-up rental agencies. They made the best of the low ceilings in the
ballroom. Joel, Larry and the rest of technofandom are always a joy to
work with.

Consuite:
Mostly excellent, except for the Friday night early closure (which was
very visible). I’m going to say what Betsy said to us when she found out
that CDs weren’t ripped and data entry was slow because of staffing
issues: Ask for help, at the first sign of trouble. Ask past and future
chairs if there’s someone attending who might have the necessary skills
to fill in. I would have helped. We ran hospitality at World Fantasy
2009, partially to verify whether or not we had really learned from
issues at CC26 (we avoided those same issues).

The Phoenix and Canada parties were fabulous.

Dealers’ Room:
Small, but quality. Nice variety. Having everything in one secureable
room would have been better, but you match demands and space as you can.

Exhibits/Hats/Dolls:
A little slow to start, but beautiful and varied. Kudos to the
organizers for getting so many people to show, and to everyone who showed.

Program:
People went to panels. Nearly every panel I saw, walked by or was on had
an audience (sometimes light, but an audience). Workshops appeared to be
very popular and well-attended.

Friday night social:
It felt like a social. The amateur theatricals were decent. It was a lot
of fun.

F&SF Masquerade:
Except for Chrism’s fall, great. I’ve heard a few complaints about Judy
Mitchell’s abruptness as a workmanship judge (and not just from Carole,
she was just loudest and most public as usual) but I’ve been referring
those to the directors. I expect we’ll hear complaints about awards. The
distribution of entrants among divisions is a bit worrying. I’ll cover
that at the end.

Fashion Show/Single Pattern:
With a half-and-half distribution? How did that happen? We saw a strong
group of fashion show entries and a strong group of single pattern
entries. The show ran smoothly. Very good. It was a bit late in the
afternoon, though, and I’m wondering how much that impacted tech
rehearsal for historical.

Historical:
Mostly excellent. Also the same concern about distribution of entries
among the divisions. I heard complaints about rehearsal and pre-judging
delays, along with how long the judging interval was. Award delays were
made worse by the lack of half-time entertainment (after the photo run).
Kevin can address the view from the inside.

Dead Dog:
Eric and Sue re-running the masquerades was cool, and it was nice giving
folks who missed the video masq submissions a chance to see them.

Promotion:
I said that I was concerned about the distribution of entrants. We’re
talking a huge proportion of master entries in each competition. Now
it’s really cool that we have that many master entries, and it makes for
a real blockbuster of a show…

…but the lack of novice and journeyman entries shows up that we’re not
reaching enough new people.

This is a bad thing. I know a lot of people like the quiet, intimate,
“everyone here is my friend” kind of vibe when, well, it’s mostly the
same people we see every year, but we can’t depend on that. The
Montrealers have been a breath of fresh air, but we need more new
people. We need enough new people that some of them decide to make this
an annual thing and we keep developing a strong core group that’s
interested in working the cons too.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 2199 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/8/2011
Subject: CC29 report from the Minnesotans

 

Group: runacc Message: 2200 From: Byron Connell Date: 5/8/2011
Subject: Re: What, silence on CC29?

The Historical had 17 entries: 2 novice, 4 journeyman, 10 master, 1 not in competition. Setting the running order was a real challenge We made serious efforts to reach out to other costuming communities, with not very good success. Most cons are suffering reduced memberships. Many East Coast masquerades have become much smaller (6 to 8 entries at Lunacons and Philcons, zero at Albacon last year). Arisia continues to be the most prominent exception to both trends, for reasons that escape me. It is my firm impression that many costumers in other venues regard competition on our terms to be very scary and, in particular, to feel that they cannot produce costumes of the quality we normally see. Costume-Con is suffering from being viewed as the pinnacle of excellence. Within our own part of the costuming communities, the Historical masquerade makes even SF costumers who normally compete in the master division nervous, as clearly was the case with one of our journeyman entries. It is, after all, the only one of its kind on the continent.

The Historical judging was over in 45 minutes. The rest of the time was taken up by writing out the official list and filling out the award certificates. I insisted they be done in time to hand to the winners.

Andy, may I have permission to cross-post your comments to the SLUTs? We’re working on our own critique and probably would benefit from some of your comments that differ from those expressed on that list. To the CC29 staff list, too.

Byron

On May 8, 2011, at 6:43 PM, Andrew T Trembley wrote:

> To start, there was a great deal of “excellent” in this con, and not
> just because someone did a Bill & Ted entry.
>
> Hotel:
> We could have done without the school kids and the Governor, but kudos
> to the committee for dealing with those issues.
>
> Hotel lay-out was a bit weird, the function room layout made it feel
> simultaneously spread-out, claustrophobic and ghettoized, but there was
> nothing the convention could really do about it.
>
> While there were good servers in the restaurant and the food was decent,
> service was pretty bad. This is an endemic problem in Hilton properties
> these days, and a common problem with hotel restaurant management that
> just doesn’t believe we need to eat. It doesn’t really reflect on the
> committee.
>
> The “Sky Room” for Friday night was great.
>
> The ballroom for masquerade wasn’t optimal, but it’s what they had. Size
> was good, but the low ceilings were a handicap.
>
> I’ll let people in the shows comment definitively on the location and
> size of green room. The location and path looked OK to me.
>
> The suite for consuite was a good layout and size except at the busiest
> times.
>
> Reg:
> Quick and efficient when I picked up. There were a few times (like
> before F&SF) that it should have been open to sell masquerade tickets (I
> was there when two women showed up who were just coming in to help an
> entrant and the reg desk couldn’t sell tickets).
>
> Tech:
> What can I say? The gang is excellent and dealt successfully with
> fucked-up rental agencies. They made the best of the low ceilings in the
> ballroom. Joel, Larry and the rest of technofandom are always a joy to
> work with.
>
> Consuite:
> Mostly excellent, except for the Friday night early closure (which was
> very visible). I’m going to say what Betsy said to us when she found out
> that CDs weren’t ripped and data entry was slow because of staffing
> issues: Ask for help, at the first sign of trouble. Ask past and future
> chairs if there’s someone attending who might have the necessary skills
> to fill in. I would have helped. We ran hospitality at World Fantasy
> 2009, partially to verify whether or not we had really learned from
> issues at CC26 (we avoided those same issues).
>
> The Phoenix and Canada parties were fabulous.
>
> Dealers’ Room:
> Small, but quality. Nice variety. Having everything in one secureable
> room would have been better, but you match demands and space as you can.
>
> Exhibits/Hats/Dolls:
> A little slow to start, but beautiful and varied. Kudos to the
> organizers for getting so many people to show, and to everyone who showed.
>
> Program:
> People went to panels. Nearly every panel I saw, walked by or was on had
> an audience (sometimes light, but an audience). Workshops appeared to be
> very popular and well-attended.
>
> Friday night social:
> It felt like a social. The amateur theatricals were decent. It was a lot
> of fun.
>
> F&SF Masquerade:
> Except for Chrism’s fall, great. I’ve heard a few complaints about Judy
> Mitchell’s abruptness as a workmanship judge (and not just from Carole,
> she was just loudest and most public as usual) but I’ve been referring
> those to the directors. I expect we’ll hear complaints about awards. The
> distribution of entrants among divisions is a bit worrying. I’ll cover
> that at the end.
>
> Fashion Show/Single Pattern:
> With a half-and-half distribution? How did that happen? We saw a strong
> group of fashion show entries and a strong group of single pattern
> entries. The show ran smoothly. Very good. It was a bit late in the
> afternoon, though, and I’m wondering how much that impacted tech
> rehearsal for historical.
>
> Historical:
> Mostly excellent. Also the same concern about distribution of entries
> among the divisions. I heard complaints about rehearsal and pre-judging
> delays, along with how long the judging interval was. Award delays were
> made worse by the lack of half-time entertainment (after the photo run).
> Kevin can address the view from the inside.
>
> Dead Dog:
> Eric and Sue re-running the masquerades was cool, and it was nice giving
> folks who missed the video masq submissions a chance to see them.
>
> Promotion:
> I said that I was concerned about the distribution of entrants. We’re
> talking a huge proportion of master entries in each competition. Now
> it’s really cool that we have that many master entries, and it makes for
> a real blockbuster of a show…
>
> …but the lack of novice and journeyman entries shows up that we’re not
> reaching enough new people.
>
> This is a bad thing. I know a lot of people like the quiet, intimate,
> “everyone here is my friend” kind of vibe when, well, it’s mostly the
> same people we see every year, but we can’t depend on that. The
> Montrealers have been a breath of fresh air, but we need more new
> people. We need enough new people that some of them decide to make this
> an annual thing and we keep developing a strong core group that’s
> interested in working the cons too.
>
> andy
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2101 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 7/21/2010
Subject: Re: what is CC?
Group: runacc Message: 2102 From: Margie Date: 7/21/2010
Subject: Re: what is CC?
Group: runacc Message: 2103 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 7/21/2010
Subject: Re: what is CC?
Group: runacc Message: 2104 From: Margie Date: 7/21/2010
Subject: Re: what is CC?
Group: runacc Message: 2105 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 7/21/2010
Subject: Re: what is CC?
Group: runacc Message: 2106 From: Charles Galway Date: 7/21/2010
Subject: Re: what is CC?
Group: runacc Message: 2107 From: Lisa A Ashton Date: 7/21/2010
Subject: Re: what is CC?
Group: runacc Message: 2108 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 7/21/2010
Subject: Re: what is CC?
Group: runacc Message: 2109 From: Bruno Date: 7/21/2010
Subject: Re: what is CC?
Group: runacc Message: 2110 From: Bruno Date: 7/21/2010
Subject: Re: what is CC?
Group: runacc Message: 2111 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair Date: 7/22/2010
Subject: Re: what is CC?
Group: runacc Message: 2112 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 7/22/2010
Subject: Re: what is CC?
Group: runacc Message: 2113 From: Dora Buck Date: 8/3/2010
Subject: CC29 Progress Report #1
Group: runacc Message: 2114 From: Nora Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
Group: runacc Message: 2115 From: Nora Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
Group: runacc Message: 2116 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
Group: runacc Message: 2117 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
Group: runacc Message: 2118 From: Nora Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
Group: runacc Message: 2119 From: Nora Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
Group: runacc Message: 2120 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
Group: runacc Message: 2121 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
Group: runacc Message: 2122 From: Nora Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
Group: runacc Message: 2123 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
Group: runacc Message: 2124 From: Bruno Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
Group: runacc Message: 2125 From: Bruno Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Future Fashion Show
Group: runacc Message: 2126 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
Group: runacc Message: 2127 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
Group: runacc Message: 2128 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 10/11/2010
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show
Group: runacc Message: 2129 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 10/11/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
Group: runacc Message: 2130 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 10/11/2010
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show
Group: runacc Message: 2131 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 10/11/2010
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show
Group: runacc Message: 2132 From: Lisa A Ashton Date: 10/11/2010
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show
Group: runacc Message: 2133 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 10/11/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
Group: runacc Message: 2134 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 10/11/2010
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show
Group: runacc Message: 2135 From: Nora Date: 10/11/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
Group: runacc Message: 2136 From: Martin Gear Date: 10/11/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
Group: runacc Message: 2137 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair Date: 10/12/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
Group: runacc Message: 2138 From: Kaijugal . Date: 10/12/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
Group: runacc Message: 2139 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 10/13/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
Group: runacc Message: 2140 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 10/13/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
Group: runacc Message: 2141 From: Elaine Mami Date: 10/15/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
Group: runacc Message: 2142 From: Elaine Mami Date: 10/15/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
Group: runacc Message: 2143 From: Karen Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Costume-Con 32 bid received
Group: runacc Message: 2144 From: Karen Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
Group: runacc Message: 2145 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] “Costume”
Group: runacc Message: 2146 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: A fascinating discussion on ICG-D at the moment…
Group: runacc Message: 2147 From: Michael Date: 12/27/2010
Subject: perpetual CC mailing list
Group: runacc Message: 2148 From: Elaine Mami Date: 12/27/2010
Subject: Re: perpetual CC mailing list
Group: runacc Message: 2149 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 12/27/2010
Subject: Re: perpetual CC mailing list
Group: runacc Message: 2150 From: Nora Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Re: perpetual CC mailing list

 


 

Group: runacc Message: 2101 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 7/21/2010
Subject: Re: what is CC?

We can probably help you out with some stuff from the Archives if you can give us an idea of what you’d like.

Nora

— On Tue, 7/20/10, Bruno <bruno@soulmasque.com> wrote:

From: Bruno <bruno@soulmasque.com>
Subject: [runacc] what is CC?
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2010, 10:40 PM

My co-chair for CC31 looked at the website and the first thing she
asked was, “where are the pictures of costumes?”  She doesn’t know CC,
but she is a veteran con chair.  My response was that I don’t think
I’ve ever seen costume pictures on a CC website.

That got me to thinking . . . we want new blood, but if they’ve never
been, there’s nothing to really show them why.  We can send them to
the archives, or the connections website, but those are mostly just
masquerade photos.

So, I’m thinking of putting together group of pages for “What is CC?”
with pictures that answer the following statements.

CC is learning – pictures of programming
CC is socializing
CC is friendly competition
CC is costumes

I’m really going to have to search my old CC photos.  I don’t take
nearly as many as I used to.

Michael

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Group: runacc Message: 2102 From: Margie Date: 7/21/2010
Subject: Re: what is CC?

I think that is an *EXCELLENT* idea — would you mind if we linked to whatever gets created too? (CC30)

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Bruno <bruno@…> wrote:
>
> My co-chair for CC31 looked at the website and the first thing she
> asked was, “where are the pictures of costumes?” She doesn’t know CC,
> but she is a veteran con chair. My response was that I don’t think
> I’ve ever seen costume pictures on a CC website.
>
> That got me to thinking . . . we want new blood, but if they’ve never
> been, there’s nothing to really show them why. We can send them to
> the archives, or the connections website, but those are mostly just
> masquerade photos.
>
> So, I’m thinking of putting together group of pages for “What is CC?”
> with pictures that answer the following statements.
>
> CC is learning – pictures of programming
> CC is socializing
> CC is friendly competition
> CC is costumes
>
> I’m really going to have to search my old CC photos. I don’t take
> nearly as many as I used to.
>
>
> Michael
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2103 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 7/21/2010
Subject: Re: what is CC?

We had a “New to Costume-Con?” page on the cc26 website; it’s still up.
http://www.cc26.info/main.php?section=info&page=about

In particular, the short “Costume-con 101” article
http://www.cc26.info/news_item.php?article=CC-26%20101

Our website did have the ability to include photos, and we would
sometimes include them in articles, but we started it back when there
were still lots of people on dial-up, so the site was optimized to load
quickly as mostly text. That is still an important point to consider in
your website design, with more people using smartphones to visit the web.

We then had a separate photo galleries section.

I highly recommend the use of a content management system for your site;
cc26.info was roll-your-own (again, it predated the current crop of free
systems), but I’ve been really happy with the wordpress site I built for
yipezine.com . It includes media management tools, and it’s free.

Kevin

On 7/21/2010 6:34 AM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
>
> We can probably help you out with some stuff from the Archives if you
> can give us an idea of what you’d like.
>
> Nora
>
> ,___

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Group: runacc Message: 2104 From: Margie Date: 7/21/2010
Subject: Re: what is CC?

Kevin, can we edit & use the stuff from your old site?

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair” <chair@…> wrote:
>
> We had a “New to Costume-Con?” page on the cc26 website; it’s still up.
> http://www.cc26.info/main.php?section=info&page=about
>
> In particular, the short “Costume-con 101” article
> http://www.cc26.info/news_item.php?article=CC-26%20101
>
> Our website did have the ability to include photos, and we would
> sometimes include them in articles, but we started it back when there
> were still lots of people on dial-up, so the site was optimized to load
> quickly as mostly text. That is still an important point to consider in
> your website design, with more people using smartphones to visit the web.
>
> We then had a separate photo galleries section.
>
> I highly recommend the use of a content management system for your site;
> cc26.info was roll-your-own (again, it predated the current crop of free
> systems), but I’ve been really happy with the wordpress site I built for
> yipezine.com . It includes media management tools, and it’s free.
>
>
>
>
> Kevin
>
> On 7/21/2010 6:34 AM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
> >
> > We can probably help you out with some stuff from the Archives if you
> > can give us an idea of what you’d like.
> >
> > Nora
> >
> > ,___
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2105 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 7/21/2010
Subject: Re: what is CC?

Absolutely! As a courtesy, just credit us (or, if we were quoting
someone else, be sure to credit them!).

That’s actually why I’ve left the site up. We hoped it would be a useful
resource.

(I do have to fix the link to our giant photo repository on Chaz Baden’s
server; somehow the subdomain got messed up).

Kevin

On 7/21/2010 10:04 AM, Margie wrote:
>
> Kevin, can we edit & use the stuff from your old site?
>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>,
> “Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair” <chair@…> wrote:
> >
> > We had a “New to Costume-Con?” page on the cc26 website; it’s still up.
> > http://www.cc26.info/main.php?section=info&page=about
> <http://www.cc26.info/main.php?section=info&page=about>
> >
> > In particular, the short “Costume-con 101” article
> > http://www.cc26.info/news_item.php?article=CC-26%20101
> >
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2106 From: Charles Galway Date: 7/21/2010
Subject: Re: what is CC?

It seems to me that when there was a need for this, (which is most of the time), there was also some concern for photos that are approved for posting, by both the photographer, and the model (and the costume designer?).

So I hope folks are able to put something together, that can then be used, as needed.

Charles

—– Original Message —–
From: Margie
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 8:33 AM
Subject: [runacc] Re: what is CC?

I think that is an *EXCELLENT* idea — would you mind if we linked to whatever gets created too? (CC30)

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Bruno <bruno@…> wrote:
>
> My co-chair for CC31 looked at the website and the first thing she
> asked was, “where are the pictures of costumes?” She doesn’t know CC,
> but she is a veteran con chair. My response was that I don’t think
> I’ve ever seen costume pictures on a CC website.
>
> That got me to thinking . . . we want new blood, but if they’ve never
> been, there’s nothing to really show them why. We can send them to
> the archives, or the connections website, but those are mostly just
> masquerade photos.
>
> So, I’m thinking of putting together group of pages for “What is CC?”
> with pictures that answer the following statements.
>
> CC is learning – pictures of programming
> CC is socializing
> CC is friendly competition
> CC is costumes
>
> I’m really going to have to search my old CC photos. I don’t take
> nearly as many as I used to.
>
>
> Michael
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2107 From: Lisa A Ashton Date: 7/21/2010
Subject: Re: what is CC?

It seems to me that when we register for any MAsq. we do sign a waiver
that allows our photos to be taken. I would certainly be willing for my
Masq. photos to appear on the current CC site (since they are in the ICG
and other Guild archives anyway).

Yours in cosutmign, Lis aA

On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 13:01:09 -0600 “Charles Galway”
<cgalway@xmission.com> writes:

> It seems to me that when there was a need for this, (which is most of
> the time), there was also some concern for photos that are approved
> for posting, by both the photographer, and the model (and the
> costume designer?).
>
> So I hope folks are able to put something together, that can then be
> used, as needed.
>
> Charles
>

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> 07/16/10 06:35:00
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2108 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 7/21/2010
Subject: Re: what is CC?

On Jul 21, 2010, at 12:01 PM, Charles Galway wrote:

> It seems to me that when there was a need for this, (which is most of the time), there was also some concern for photos that are approved for posting, by both the photographer, and the model (and the costume designer?).

In general, model releases are the photographer’s concern, not the customer’s concern. Official photos from recent CCs have photo releases (assuming the show directors made it part of the reg forms). Photos from older CCs where the official photographer is a professional likely also have releases.

If you don’t already have permission from the photographer, you need to contact the photographer and get permission.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 2109 From: Bruno Date: 7/21/2010
Subject: Re: what is CC?

So you did. Can I steal that?

I did look at some content management systems. I’m hoping I’ll get a
much better webmaster. There’s one in our local con runners group.
Hoping I can snag him after his event in September.

Michael

Quoting “Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair” <chair@cc26.org>:

> We had a “New to Costume-Con?” page on the cc26 website; it’s still up.
> http://www.cc26.info/main.php?section=info&page=about
>
> In particular, the short “Costume-con 101” article
> http://www.cc26.info/news_item.php?article=CC-26%20101
>
> Our website did have the ability to include photos, and we would
> sometimes include them in articles, but we started it back when there
> were still lots of people on dial-up, so the site was optimized to load
> quickly as mostly text. That is still an important point to consider in
> your website design, with more people using smartphones to visit the web.
>
> We then had a separate photo galleries section.
>
> I highly recommend the use of a content management system for your site;
> cc26.info was roll-your-own (again, it predated the current crop of free
> systems), but I’ve been really happy with the wordpress site I built for
> yipezine.com . It includes media management tools, and it’s free.
>
>
>
>
> Kevin
>
> On 7/21/2010 6:34 AM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
>>
>> We can probably help you out with some stuff from the Archives if you
>> can give us an idea of what you’d like.
>>
>> Nora
>>
>> ,___
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2110 From: Bruno Date: 7/21/2010
Subject: Re: what is CC?

No problem, it’s for the benefit of CC.

Michael

Quoting Margie <marg1066@gmail.com>:

> I think that is an *EXCELLENT* idea — would you mind if we linked
> to whatever gets created too? (CC30)
>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Bruno <bruno@…> wrote:
>>
>> My co-chair for CC31 looked at the website and the first thing she
>> asked was, “where are the pictures of costumes?” She doesn’t know CC,
>> but she is a veteran con chair. My response was that I don’t think
>> I’ve ever seen costume pictures on a CC website.
>>
>> That got me to thinking . . . we want new blood, but if they’ve never
>> been, there’s nothing to really show them why. We can send them to
>> the archives, or the connections website, but those are mostly just
>> masquerade photos.
>>
>> So, I’m thinking of putting together group of pages for “What is CC?”
>> with pictures that answer the following statements.
>>
>> CC is learning – pictures of programming
>> CC is socializing
>> CC is friendly competition
>> CC is costumes
>>
>> I’m really going to have to search my old CC photos. I don’t take
>> nearly as many as I used to.
>>
>>
>> Michael
>>
>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2111 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair Date: 7/22/2010
Subject: Re: what is CC?

Besides Chaz’s pictures in his main gallery, starting here:
http://www.boston-baden.com/hazel/Pix/2008/pix6173.htm

There are thousands of pictures on the server at
http://www.boston-baden.com/cc26

Unfortunately, I can’t find the indexing file for it all at this point.

Kevin

On 7/20/2010 8:40 PM, Bruno wrote:
>
> My co-chair for CC31 looked at the website and the first thing she
> asked was, “where are the pictures of costumes?” She doesn’t know CC,
> but she is a veteran con chair. My response was that I don’t think
> I’ve ever seen costume pictures on a CC website.
>
> That got me to thinking . . . we want new blood, but if they’ve never
> been, there’s nothing to really show them why. We can send them to
> the archives, or the connections website, but those are mostly just
> masquerade photos.
>
> So, I’m thinking of putting together group of pages for “What is CC?”
> with pictures that answer the following statements.
>
> CC is learning – pictures of programming
> CC is socializing
> CC is friendly competition
> CC is costumes
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2112 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 7/22/2010
Subject: Re: what is CC?

Hey, Mike:

You’re welcome to use any of the photos I shot while at CC26. There
weren’t tons, but still a decent number, many in the halls.

Cheers,

Betsy

On 7/22/2010 1:56 AM, Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair wrote:
>
>
>
> Besides Chaz’s pictures in his main gallery, starting here:
> http://www.boston-baden.com/hazel/Pix/2008/pix6173.htm
>
> There are thousands of pictures on the server at
> http://www.boston-baden.com/cc26
>
> Unfortunately, I can’t find the indexing file for it all at this point.
>
> Kevin
>
> On 7/20/2010 8:40 PM, Bruno wrote:
> >
> > My co-chair for CC31 looked at the website and the first thing she
> > asked was, “where are the pictures of costumes?” She doesn’t know CC,
> > but she is a veteran con chair. My response was that I don’t think
> > I’ve ever seen costume pictures on a CC website.
> >
> > That got me to thinking . . . we want new blood, but if they’ve never
> > been, there’s nothing to really show them why. We can send them to
> > the archives, or the connections website, but those are mostly just
> > masquerade photos.
> >
> > So, I’m thinking of putting together group of pages for “What is CC?”
> > with pictures that answer the following statements.
> >
> > CC is learning – pictures of programming
> > CC is socializing
> > CC is friendly competition
> > CC is costumes
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>



Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

Group: runacc Message: 2113 From: Dora Buck Date: 8/3/2010
Subject: CC29 Progress Report #1
Hello everyone,

The kids are gone and the Progress Report #1 has been emailed out.  If you have
not received your PR, please contact me (dfaybuck@yahoo.com) and provide your
address to me.

And, I am sorry that I missed your name since you are working very hard along
with me on this endeavor (nightmare) of a costume con.

Please inform the other groups that you belong to that the PR is out and about
and if they would like one to contact me at the above email address.

Thank you to everyone who contributed to this PR.

Dora

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Group: runacc Message: 2114 From: Nora Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
In the CC29 rules it generally states that there will be no hard copy version of the Folio (CC30 rules will be similar).

But what about folks who sign up at the door? If we have nothing to give them I fear it will fail to stir interest in new designers.

I don’t have any ideas yet but I thought a discussion here would be a good way to come up with a solution.

Nora (running CC30 FFF)

 

Group: runacc Message: 2115 From: Nora Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
As stated in the CC29 rules there will be no hard copy version of the Folio (the CC30 rules will be very similar).

So what about people who sign up at the door? Not having something for them might stop some growth in acquiring new designers.

I don’t have a solid idea yet, just thought we could discuss it here & come up with a good solution.

Nora (doing the CC30 FFF)

 

Group: runacc Message: 2116 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio

I think that the biggest draw to new designers is not the printed folio, but
the *show* itself. Doing a good job of showing the original designs at the
show (whether through a projection screen or through printing out the
designs used in the show for the program) should interest new designers more
than the book would. However, I think it should also be made clear that
at-con registrations are submitting an email address where the folio will be
emailed as soon as con staff can do it (if they’re on the ball, and reg is
at a slow point, a provided laptop could mean it can be done *at*
registration the day they register), preferably with an explanation email so
that new con members and old can both go home and browse through it.

~Aurora

On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Nora <von_drago@yahoo.com> wrote:

> In the CC29 rules it generally states that there will be no hard copy
> version of the Folio (CC30 rules will be similar).
>
> But what about folks who sign up at the door? If we have nothing to give
> them I fear it will fail to stir interest in new designers.
>
> I don’t have any ideas yet but I thought a discussion here would be a good
> way to come up with a solution.
>
> Nora (running CC30 FFF)
>
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo!
> Groups Links
>
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 2117 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio

since at the door memberships are usually substabtially higher, perhaps they can
recieve the hard copy, or disk copy or whatever.
and then there could be hard, or disk copies for a small upcharge for sale to
anyone else that wants one.

not a perfect solution.

I think the web bloging and treating it like an event to advertise plus the
possable adition of a few more cash prizes, might be the hook for new people
that arent cc, or even fannish folks

Ricky

________________________________
From: Aurora Celeste <auroraceleste@gmail.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, October 10, 2010 12:45:03 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] The future of the Future Fashion Folio

I think that the biggest draw to new designers is not the printed folio, but
the *show* itself. Doing a good job of showing the original designs at the
show (whether through a projection screen or through printing out the
designs used in the show for the program) should interest new designers more
than the book would. However, I think it should also be made clear that
at-con registrations are submitting an email address where the folio will be
emailed as soon as con staff can do it (if they’re on the ball, and reg is
at a slow point, a provided laptop could mean it can be done *at*
registration the day they register), preferably with an explanation email so
that new con members and old can both go home and browse through it.

~Aurora

On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Nora <von_drago@yahoo.com> wrote:

> In the CC29 rules it generally states that there will be no hard copy
> version of the Folio (CC30 rules will be similar).
>
> But what about folks who sign up at the door? If we have nothing to give
> them I fear it will fail to stir interest in new designers.
>
> I don’t have any ideas yet but I thought a discussion here would be a good
> way to come up with a solution.
>
> Nora (running CC30 FFF)
>
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo!
> Groups Links
>
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 2118 From: Nora Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio

Extra disks on hand might work, they’re not expensive. But hard copies are.

And would it be worth printing up a limited run of hard copies for those who “collect” them for a small fee?

Nora

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Gravely MacCabre <gravelymac@…> wrote:
> since at the door memberships are usually substabtially higher, perhaps they can
> recieve the hard copy, or disk copy or whatever.
> and then there could be hard, or disk copies for a small upcharge for sale to
> anyone else that wants one.
>
> not a perfect solution.
>
> I think the web bloging and treating it like an event to advertise plus the
> possable adition of a few more cash prizes, might be the hook for new people
> that arent cc, or even fannish folks
> Â
> Ricky

 

Group: runacc Message: 2119 From: Nora Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio

I disagree; I think many new designers are hooked by seeing the Folio outside of a CC. I’ve shown mine to many folks in the past and they’ve gotten very excited.

The show itself is very limited, there is seldom a very high percentage of re-created designs so it doesn’t capture the full feel of the Folio. Having your design made up by someone is very exciting but getting into the Folio is the actual accomplishment.

But that’s not really the question. The Folio will be created & distributed to all pre-reg members electronically. At the door reg deserves their Folio somehow so is the answer to distribute them post-con or have disc copies avaialable (for everyone or a little cost) or what?
A limited run of hard copies for sale might be a thought but is it really worth it?

I don’t see any purpose in emailing them out during the con. I would presume one would be too busy at the con to download & look through it while there.

Nora

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Aurora Celeste <auroraceleste@…> wrote:
>
> I think that the biggest draw to new designers is not the printed folio, but
> the *show* itself. Doing a good job of showing the original designs at the
> show (whether through a projection screen or through printing out the
> designs used in the show for the program) should interest new designers more
> than the book would. However, I think it should also be made clear that
> at-con registrations are submitting an email address where the folio will be
> emailed as soon as con staff can do it (if they’re on the ball, and reg is
> at a slow point, a provided laptop could mean it can be done *at*
> registration the day they register), preferably with an explanation email so
> that new con members and old can both go home and browse through it.
>
> ~Aurora

 

Group: runacc Message: 2120 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio

A nuts and bolts question, not knowing where the budget items are going:

If you reduce the cost of the con by taking away one of the known perks,
does that cause grousing when folks discover they’re paying the same (or
more) for less? Does the grousing matter?

I ask because I recall grousing when the Whole Costumers’ Catalog
disappeared for good but the cost of the con increased. I know it was a
pain in the a$$ to maintain and I’m not saying it should come back,
because the web does it so much better now, but someone noticed then and
someone’s bound to notice now that part of the membership used to cover
those costs and will ask where the dollars are going instead.

For me, I really liked being able to look at the print thing, and I
agree it was nice to show the newbies, but the web allows for color
which is simply too expensive otherwise. How will the electronic version
be distributed? Printable PDF? Image album?

I’m totally out of the loop these days, likely to remain so for at least
the next couple of years at the rate my life is going, and I hate to be
a gadfly about something in which I’m not directly involved, but I gotta
ask why. Please forgive me and don’t yell. It’s been a hard couple of years.

Thanks,

Betsy

On 10/10/2010 5:21 PM, Nora wrote:
>
>
> Extra disks on hand might work, they’re not expensive. But hard copies are.
>
> And would it be worth printing up a limited run of hard copies for those
> who “collect” them for a small fee?
>
> Nora
>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>, Gravely
> MacCabre <gravelymac@…> wrote:
> > since at the door memberships are usually substabtially higher,
> perhaps they can
> > recieve the hard copy, or disk copy or whatever.
> > and then there could be hard, or disk copies for a small upcharge
> for sale to
> > anyone else that wants one.
> >
> > not a perfect solution.
> >
> > I think the web bloging and treating it like an event to
> advertise plus the
> > possable adition of a few more cash prizes, might be the hook for new
> people
> > that arent cc, or even fannish folks
> > Â
> > Ricky
>
>



Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

Group: runacc Message: 2121 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio

In a message dated 10/10/2010 5:31:30 PM Central Daylight Time,
aramintamd@gmail.com writes:

> A nuts and bolts question, not knowing where the budget items are going:

Just an FYI, one of the biggest expenditures of CC28 was the printing and
mailing of the folio.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2122 From: Nora Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio

Alway is. That’s part of the reason I brought up this discussion.

Nora

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, osierhenry@… wrote:
> Just an FYI, one of the biggest expenditures of CC28 was the printing and
> mailing of the folio.
>
> Henry

 

Group: runacc Message: 2123 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio

Can you give us any hard numbers Henry? Like the folio cost X, the con
brought in Y, and the overall budget was Z?

On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Nora <von_drago@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Alway is. That’s part of the reason I brought up this discussion.
>
> Nora
>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, osierhenry@… wrote:
> > Just an FYI, one of the biggest expenditures of CC28 was the printing and
> > mailing of the folio.
> >
> > Henry
>
>
>
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo!
> Groups Links
>
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 2124 From: Bruno Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio

What about providing the folio on a CD at registration?

Michael

> On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Nora <von_drago@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> In the CC29 rules it generally states that there will be no hard copy
>> version of the Folio (CC30 rules will be similar).
>>
>> But what about folks who sign up at the door? If we have nothing to give
>> them I fear it will fail to stir interest in new designers.
>>
>> I don’t have any ideas yet but I thought a discussion here would be a good
>> way to come up with a solution.
>>
>> Nora (running CC30 FFF)
>>
>>
>>
>> ————————————
>>
>> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo!
>> Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2125 From: Bruno Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Future Fashion Show
Since we’re on the subject of the folio. I had a dream that the
Fashion Show was done as part of the Exhibits. The folio pages were
posted on the wall with the created designs on a mannequins next to
them. It gave people the opportunity to see the design and finished
garment side by side.

Would CC lose anything by making the Fashion Show a static display
instead of a stage show?

Michael

 

Group: runacc Message: 2126 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio

Oooo. Good question. I hadn’t thought about that. When I was thinking
“yeah, electronic mailings would save a TON of money”, there is the whole
“getting more for less thing.” The only way I could see you could sell the
idea is making the point that it’s getting more and more expensive to do a
small con like a CC, and it would help slow down those price hikes. But, I
could see a lot of people not liking CC pulling the same kind of idea that
candy bar makers and others are doing – keeping the same price, but making
the bar smaller.

I have to agree, I think there is a significant number of people (maybe it’s
a generational thing) who prefer the hold tactile experience of holding a
publication and being able to flip back and forth. Clicking from page to
page just doesn’t have the same satisfaction.

Bruce

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Betsy Delaney
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 5:31 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio

A nuts and bolts question, not knowing where the budget items are going:

If you reduce the cost of the con by taking away one of the known perks,
does that cause grousing when folks discover they’re paying the same (or
more) for less? Does the grousing matter?

I ask because I recall grousing when the Whole Costumers’ Catalog
disappeared for good but the cost of the con increased. I know it was a
pain in the a$$ to maintain and I’m not saying it should come back,
because the web does it so much better now, but someone noticed then and
someone’s bound to notice now that part of the membership used to cover
those costs and will ask where the dollars are going instead.

For me, I really liked being able to look at the print thing, and I
agree it was nice to show the newbies, but the web allows for color
which is simply too expensive otherwise. How will the electronic version
be distributed? Printable PDF? Image album?

Betsy

On 10/10/2010 5:21 PM, Nora wrote:

 

Group: runacc Message: 2127 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio

Maybe I’m breaking into the older generation, but I printed my copy out as
soon as I got it last year. It’s one of those things that I wanted in
print, too. I find that I print out all my references for costuming, it’s
just easier to reference if it’s on paper.

On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Nora & Bruce Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> Oooo. Good question. I hadn’t thought about that. When I was thinking
> “yeah, electronic mailings would save a TON of money”, there is the whole
> “getting more for less thing.” The only way I could see you could sell the
> idea is making the point that it’s getting more and more expensive to do a
> small con like a CC, and it would help slow down those price hikes. But, I
> could see a lot of people not liking CC pulling the same kind of idea that
> candy bar makers and others are doing – keeping the same price, but making
> the bar smaller.
>
> I have to agree, I think there is a significant number of people (maybe
> it’s
> a generational thing) who prefer the hold tactile experience of holding a
> publication and being able to flip back and forth. Clicking from page to
> page just doesn’t have the same satisfaction.
>
> Bruce
>
> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Betsy Delaney
> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 5:31 PM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
>
> A nuts and bolts question, not knowing where the budget items are going:
>
> If you reduce the cost of the con by taking away one of the known perks,
> does that cause grousing when folks discover they’re paying the same (or
> more) for less? Does the grousing matter?
>
> I ask because I recall grousing when the Whole Costumers’ Catalog
> disappeared for good but the cost of the con increased. I know it was a
> pain in the a$$ to maintain and I’m not saying it should come back,
> because the web does it so much better now, but someone noticed then and
> someone’s bound to notice now that part of the membership used to cover
> those costs and will ask where the dollars are going instead.
>
> For me, I really liked being able to look at the print thing, and I
> agree it was nice to show the newbies, but the web allows for color
> which is simply too expensive otherwise. How will the electronic version
> be distributed? Printable PDF? Image album?
>
>
> Betsy
>
> On 10/10/2010 5:21 PM, Nora wrote:
>
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo!
> Groups Links
>
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 2128 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 10/11/2010
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show

I think making the Fashion Show a static display would be the end of
both the show and the Folio. Already, for many people, if they are
doing both the Fashion Show and one (or more) of the main stage
competitions, the Fashion Show garment is the one that will get cut
if there is a time or money crunch. Being able to actually wear it
is just about the only reason I do a Folio garment, as I’m a slow
sewer. Plus there are the ones who don’t like the competitive nature
of the F/SF or Historical, and see the Fashion Show as a “safe” stage
venue to display their work.

I know I wouldn’t bother to make a Fashion Show outfit if it was only
going to be on a mannequin.

My opinion only, Pierre’s may differ.
Sandy

At 09:52 PM 10/10/2010, you wrote:

>Since we’re on the subject of the folio. I had a dream that the
>Fashion Show was done as part of the Exhibits. The folio pages were
>posted on the wall with the created designs on a mannequins next to
>them. It gave people the opportunity to see the design and finished
>garment side by side.
>
>Would CC lose anything by making the Fashion Show a static display
>instead of a stage show?
>
>Michael

International Costumers’ Guild Archivist

http://www.costume.org/gallery2/main.php

“Those Who Fail to Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly –
Why They Are Simply Doomed.”

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C. Y. 4971

Andromeda

 

Group: runacc Message: 2129 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 10/11/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio

We like paper. We also printed out the PDF as soon as we got
it. Much easier to carry around and consider in depth what (if
anything) you want to make. Also, invaluable to take to the fabric
store when getting materials to create the item.

P & S

At 10:44 PM 10/10/2010, you wrote:

>Maybe I’m breaking into the older generation, but I printed my copy out as
>soon as I got it last year. It’s one of those things that I wanted in
>print, too. I find that I print out all my references for costuming, it’s
>just easier to reference if it’s on paper.
>
>On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Nora & Bruce Mai
><<mailto:casamai%40sbcglobal.net>casamai@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
>
> > Oooo. Good question. I hadn’t thought about that. When I was thinking
> > “yeah, electronic mailings would save a TON of money”, there is the whole
> > “getting more for less thing.” The only way I could see you could sell the
> > idea is making the point that it’s getting more and more expensive to do a
> > small con like a CC, and it would help slow down those price hikes. But, I
> > could see a lot of people not liking CC pulling the same kind of idea that
> > candy bar makers and others are doing – keeping the same price, but making
> > the bar smaller.
> >
> > I have to agree, I think there is a significant number of people (maybe
> > it’s
> > a generational thing) who prefer the hold tactile experience of holding a
> > publication and being able to flip back and forth. Clicking from page to
> > page just doesn’t have the same satisfaction.
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> > —–Original Message—–
> > From: <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>runacc@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> > Betsy Delaney
> > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 5:31 PM
> > To: <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>runacc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
> >
> > A nuts and bolts question, not knowing where the budget items are going:
> >
> > If you reduce the cost of the con by taking away one of the known perks,
> > does that cause grousing when folks discover they’re paying the same (or
> > more) for less? Does the grousing matter?
> >
> > I ask because I recall grousing when the Whole Costumers’ Catalog
> > disappeared for good but the cost of the con increased. I know it was a
> > pain in the a$$ to maintain and I’m not saying it should come back,
> > because the web does it so much better now, but someone noticed then and
> > someone’s bound to notice now that part of the membership used to cover
> > those costs and will ask where the dollars are going instead.
> >
> > For me, I really liked being able to look at the print thing, and I
> > agree it was nice to show the newbies, but the web allows for color
> > which is simply too expensive otherwise. How will the electronic version
> > be distributed? Printable PDF? Image album?
> >
> >
> > Betsy

International Costumers’ Guild Archivist

http://www.costume.org/gallery2/main.php

“Those Who Fail to Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly –
Why They Are Simply Doomed.”

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C. Y. 4971

Andromeda

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 2130 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 10/11/2010
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show

I think a static show could be a good *addition* to the runway show. Then
again, I think it would be neat to have space and dummies available for the
winners of any show to put their garments in the display the next day, or
the next year.

On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 12:25 AM, Pierre & Sandy Pettinger <
costumrs@radiks.net> wrote:

> I think making the Fashion Show a static display would be the end of
> both the show and the Folio. Already, for many people, if they are
> doing both the Fashion Show and one (or more) of the main stage
> competitions, the Fashion Show garment is the one that will get cut
> if there is a time or money crunch. Being able to actually wear it
> is just about the only reason I do a Folio garment, as I’m a slow
> sewer. Plus there are the ones who don’t like the competitive nature
> of the F/SF or Historical, and see the Fashion Show as a “safe” stage
> venue to display their work.
>
> I know I wouldn’t bother to make a Fashion Show outfit if it was only
> going to be on a mannequin.
>
> My opinion only, Pierre’s may differ.
> Sandy
>
> At 09:52 PM 10/10/2010, you wrote:
>
> >Since we’re on the subject of the folio. I had a dream that the
> >Fashion Show was done as part of the Exhibits. The folio pages were
> >posted on the wall with the created designs on a mannequins next to
> >them. It gave people the opportunity to see the design and finished
> >garment side by side.
> >
> >Would CC lose anything by making the Fashion Show a static display
> >instead of a stage show?
> >
> >Michael
>
> International Costumers’ Guild Archivist
>
> http://www.costume.org/gallery2/main.php
>
> “Those Who Fail to Learn History
> Are Doomed to Repeat It;
> Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly –
> Why They Are Simply Doomed.”
>
> Achemdro’hm
> “The Illusion of Historical Fact”
> — C. Y. 4971
>
> Andromeda
>
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo!
> Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2131 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 10/11/2010
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show

May I just say that I LOVE this idea, Aurora?!?

It’s really unlikely I’ll go to the next two CCs, or that it will be a
last minute decision, because I simply can’t depend on Dan being
available or willing to take the girls for the weekend when I need him
to do it and I can’t afford a sitter.

That said, I want to encourage CC programing folks to include a “show
and tell” panel pro-forma during the weekend. You can get a lot of
mileage from being able to show stuff off right there at the con.

Obviously I can’t commit to being the one to moderate such a panel, but
it’s dirt easy to do. In fact, it would be awesome to have two: One for
the SF and one for the Fashion Show and Historical.

Just saying.

Betsy

On 10/11/2010 1:23 AM, Aurora Celeste wrote:
>
>
> I think a static show could be a good *addition* to the runway show. Then
> again, I think it would be neat to have space and dummies available for the
> winners of any show to put their garments in the display the next day, or
> the next year.



Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

Group: runacc Message: 2132 From: Lisa A Ashton Date: 10/11/2010
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show

Got it Betsy. You were heard.

Yours in costuming, Lisa A

On Mon, 11 Oct 2010 07:19:37 -0400 Betsy Delaney <aramintamd@gmail.com>
writes:

> May I just say that I LOVE this idea, Aurora?!?
>
> It’s really unlikely I’ll go to the next two CCs, or that it will be
> a
> last minute decision, because I simply can’t depend on Dan being
> available or willing to take the girls for the weekend when I need
> him
> to do it and I can’t afford a sitter.
>
> That said, I want to encourage CC programing folks to include a
> “show
> and tell” panel pro-forma during the weekend. You can get a lot of
> mileage from being able to show stuff off right there at the con.
>
> Obviously I can’t commit to being the one to moderate such a panel,
> but
> it’s dirt easy to do. In fact, it would be awesome to have two: One
> for
> the SF and one for the Fashion Show and Historical.
>
> Just saying.
>
> Betsy
>
> On 10/11/2010 1:23 AM, Aurora Celeste wrote:
> >
> >
> > I think a static show could be a good *addition* to the runway
> show. Then
> > again, I think it would be neat to have space and dummies
> available for the
> > winners of any show to put their garments in the display the next
> day, or
> > the next year.
>
>
> —
> —
> Betsy Marks Delaney
>
> http://www.hawkeswood.com/
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document:
> http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2133 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 10/11/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio

In a message dated 10/10/2010 7:00:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
auroraceleste@gmail.com writes:

> Can you give us any hard numbers Henry? Like the folio cost X, the con
> brought in Y, and the overall budget was Z?
>
>
>
>

Folio cost is mostly stuck in my head. That was around $650. And then
slightly over another $100 for mailing.

The next two numbers evade my mind. But, I will say this: We paid the hotel
bill, which was $11,400, with money left over. We should have the books
closed on CC28 by the end of the month. And, yes, there will be money passed
ahead. We just have to decided how much to everyone.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2134 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 10/11/2010
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show

In a message dated 10/10/2010 11:29:22 PM Central Daylight Time,
costumrs@radiks.net writes:

> I think making the Fashion Show a static display would be the end of
> both the show and the Folio.
>
>
>

Pierre,
I agree. I also had to read your comment twice. I thought you were
saying that the Folio could be printed and on display near registration for
all to view. But you didn’t.
It is an idea, though.
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2135 From: Nora Date: 10/11/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio

Folio costs can be seriously reduced by not mailing them. As much as a third to a half of the cost is mailing.

So if it were produced electronically & sent out via email before the con & then a hard copy was included with the program book at registration onsite, there would still be a significant savings.

Just one idea (amongst many).

Nora

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, osierhenry@… wrote:
>
> In a message dated 10/10/2010 7:00:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
> auroraceleste@… writes:
> > Can you give us any hard numbers Henry? Like the folio cost X, the con
> > brought in Y, and the overall budget was Z?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> Folio cost is mostly stuck in my head. That was around $650. And then
> slightly over another $100 for mailing.
>
> The next two numbers evade my mind. But, I will say this: We paid the hotel
> bill, which was $11,400, with money left over. We should have the books
> closed on CC28 by the end of the month. And, yes, there will be money passed
> ahead. We just have to decided how much to everyone.
>
> Henry
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2136 From: Martin Gear Date: 10/11/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio

Another approach would be to produce them on CD not hard copy. CD’s in
bulk are about $0.15 these days and even with mailers & postage it would
probably cost less that $1.00 each to produce and mail them. Everyone
doesn’t have high speed broadband email and jpg’s of decent quality
aren’t small files.
Marty

On 10/11/2010 7:25 PM, Nora wrote:
>
> Folio costs can be seriously reduced by not mailing them. As much as a
> third to a half of the cost is mailing.
>
> So if it were produced electronically & sent out via email before the
> con & then a hard copy was included with the program book at
> registration onsite, there would still be a significant savings.
>
> Just one idea (amongst many).
>
> Nora
>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>,
> osierhenry@… wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 10/10/2010 7:00:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > auroraceleste@… writes:
> > > Can you give us any hard numbers Henry? Like the folio cost X, the con
> > > brought in Y, and the overall budget was Z?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > Folio cost is mostly stuck in my head. That was around $650. And then
> > slightly over another $100 for mailing.
> >
> > The next two numbers evade my mind. But, I will say this: We paid
> the hotel
> > bill, which was $11,400, with money left over. We should have the books
> > closed on CC28 by the end of the month. And, yes, there will be
> money passed
> > ahead. We just have to decided how much to everyone.
> >
> > Henry
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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Group: runacc Message: 2137 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair Date: 10/12/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio

And take the time to master them to run a slide show,
and to print good copies of individual designs for the people
constructing them!

(Remember — digital packaging also means that you can include all the
color renderings that may have (been provided…

While I, too, liked the hardcopy when promoting CC26, it was the slide
shows (running in digital frames or old slate computers) that caught
peoples’ eye and brought them to our table. We also finally resorted to
drilling and loading our sample Folios into looseleaf binders to make it
harder for folks to run off with them.

Properly mastered, a digital media FFF could still be a valued physical
asset for members.

Kevin

On 10/11/2010 8:05 PM, Martin Gear wrote:
>
> Another approach would be to produce them on CD not hard copy. CD’s in
> bulk are about $0.15 these days and even with mailers & postage it would
> probably cost less that $1.00 each to produce and mail them. Everyone
> doesn’t have high speed broadband email and jpg’s of decent quality
> aren’t small files.
> Marty
>
> ,___

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Group: runacc Message: 2138 From: Kaijugal . Date: 10/12/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
I like the idea of having a downloadable version available, but also having a CD copy available.

Like many other people have stated, I enjoy having a hard copy. Perhaps print hard copies for pick up

at the convention, (saving the mailing expense). Perhaps give hard copies to people who were printed in the

folio or who produced designs from it. It might up the participation rate. (?)

~Dawn

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Group: runacc Message: 2139 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 10/13/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio

In a message dated 10/11/2010 10:05:08 PM Central Daylight Time,
MartinGear@comcast.net writes:

> Another approach would be to produce them on CD not hard copy.
>
>
>

I have always liked this idea. I remember when it was brought up here a few
years ago. I remember a strong “I like the paper version more” reply. But
costs and attitudes do change.

Just saying, not disagreeing.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2140 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 10/13/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio

In a message dated 10/12/2010 10:57:57 AM Central Daylight Time,
kaijugal@hotmail.com writes:

> I like the idea of having a downloadable version available, but also
> having a CD copy available.

I am catching up on e-mail, so forgive me if the following has been brought
up.

There are some regular contributors who do not want their designs on the
internet in any fashion. Which is why Aurora and Nora took to e-mailing the
folio to individuals directly for CC28.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2141 From: Elaine Mami Date: 10/15/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
At this point, I want CC 30 to have hard copy available for those who can’t get it electronically, as well as for at-the-door folks. We will decide closer to the con just how many to have prepared ahead.

Plus, I want to give the Archives a hard copy.

Elaine
Chair, CC 30

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: von_drago@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 16:16:24 +0000
Subject: [runacc] The future of the Future Fashion Folio

In the CC29 rules it generally states that there will be no hard copy version of the Folio (CC30 rules will be similar).

But what about folks who sign up at the door? If we have nothing to give them I fear it will fail to stir interest in new designers.

I don’t have any ideas yet but I thought a discussion here would be a good way to come up with a solution.

Nora (running CC30 FFF)

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Group: runacc Message: 2142 From: Elaine Mami Date: 10/15/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
Great suggestion! Thanks, Aurora!

Elaine

I think that the biggest draw to new designers is not the printed folio, but
the *show* itself. Doing a good job of showing the original designs at the
show (whether through a projection screen or through printing out the
designs used in the show for the program) should interest new designers more
than the book would. However, I think it should also be made clear that
at-con registrations are submitting an email address where the folio will be
emailed as soon as con staff can do it (if they’re on the ball, and reg is
at a slow point, a provided laptop could mean it can be done *at*
registration the day they register), preferably with an explanation email so
that new con members and old can both go home and browse through it.

~Aurora

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Group: runacc Message: 2143 From: Karen Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Costume-Con 32 bid received
Location: Totonto, Ontario, Canada

Dates: TBD (ideally the last weekend in April/first weekend in May 2014)

Venue: TBD (probably the The International Plaza hotel, but 2 other backup hotels are in reserve)

Committee:
Chair: Dawn McKechnie
Con Advisor: Barb Schofield
Treasurer: Maral Agnerian

Supporting organizations:
Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada, Anime North, Smofcan

Voting to take place at Costume-Con 29 in 2011 (you must have at least a supporting membership in CC29 to vote).

–Karen

 

Group: runacc Message: 2144 From: Karen Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
Coming into this discussion late…(Sorry…most of my YahooGroups mail appears to be going to an email account I don’t have access to any more, and I don’t see a global way to fix it…)

I will reiterate what someone said: Several of the strongest designers are ADAMANT that they will NOT submit if their work is posted to the Internet (especially in downloadable form). They have had documentable design theft in the past, so I don’t blame them for having this attitude. They were even struggling with the idea of their designs being emailed, so future committees BE AWARE of this issue.

Releasing the Folio electronically is actually a PLUS, because you can have the designs in color, which is not possible in a printed Folio (too expensive).

I don’t see why there can’t be copies of the Folio on disk at the con to hand to at the door registratons…there is also nothing wrong with mailing copies to the at the door people after the con. This has been done in the past with hard copies of the Folio and copies of the Whole Costumer’s Catalogue, so there is a precedent. And discs are cheaper to burn and mail than a printed Folio. If people want the tactile feel of a printed folio, they will take the disc and print themselves a copy.

–Karen

 

Group: runacc Message: 2145 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] “Costume”

I used to be on the side of “it’s all costume” but am having a re-think
because of this discussion.

I might suggest, after reading all the varied responses to the initial
discussion starter, that it *could* be prudent to create a more official
“for release” description of what we mean by the word “costume” as it
relates to the event called Costume-Con.

I’ll tell you why.

Way back, in the dark ages, when I ran CCXV, I tried very hard to pull
in the local historical impressionists (recreationists isn’t always
right anymore) and got a whole bunch of push back from them.

In the end we had a respectable population of folks who don’t do fantasy
costume and we had a decent historical masquerade, but that push back
has stuck with me since then.

Would we reach more people if there was a more universally acceptable
description of what the word “costume” means to us? Something simple and
clear, to the point, that addresses all aspects of clothing and its
various uses?

After all, even in the fantasy/sf worlds, most of what we think of as
“costume” would be considered “clothing” to the folks wearing it, with
the exception of folks in the entertainment biz.

Food for thought on a gloomy and cold morning. No, I’m not volunteering
to write it.

Cheers,

Betsy

On 12/4/2010 11:15 PM, Kaijugal . wrote:
> By definition it’s all costume. It’s hard to know every groups personal preferences.
> It’s nice to try an use the terms that certain groups prefer for their own form of dress,
> but as pointed out, even within groups there are individuals with differing preferences.

[snip]



Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

Group: runacc Message: 2146 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: A fascinating discussion on ICG-D at the moment…
Been following along since the subject came up. Thought it prudent to
forward something that’s been bothering me a while.

If you’re not on the list, now might be a worthwhile time to go poke
into the public archives on the yahoogroups site and see what’s going on.

Just a thought.

Betsy

(ps: Checking in, because I haven’t in a while. If you’re receiving
these messages and you don’t want to be, please let us know or follow
the un-sub link below.)



Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

Group: runacc Message: 2147 From: Michael Date: 12/27/2010
Subject: perpetual CC mailing list
I believe there was a movement to collect names/addresses/email addresses to create a permanent CC mailing list. I know I have the option to join the list on my registration forms. Does that list exist yet? If so, who has it?

Thanks.

Michael

 

Group: runacc Message: 2148 From: Elaine Mami Date: 12/27/2010
Subject: Re: perpetual CC mailing list
Michael.

We got the list from Dora, and have been adding to it. I’ll ask Marg (Oh, Marg!) to get you a copy. It may be in Kim’s records.

Elaine
Nil significat nisi oscillat!

I believe there was a movement to collect names/addresses/email addresses to create a permanent CC mailing list. I know I have the option to join the list on my registration forms. Does that list exist yet? If so, who has it?

Thanks.

Michael

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Group: runacc Message: 2149 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 12/27/2010
Subject: Re: perpetual CC mailing list
I still have to get the reg list from 28 done. Too much life in the way
since then.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2150 From: Nora Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Re: perpetual CC mailing list

Yeah, we started this back at CC25. Good to know it’s still around and someone’s trying to keep it current.

Nora

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Mami <ecmami@…> wrote:
>
>
> Michael.
>
> We got the list from Dora, and have been adding to it. I’ll ask Marg (Oh, Marg!) to get you a copy. It may be in Kim’s records.
>
> Elaine
> Nil significat nisi oscillat!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I believe there was a movement to collect names/addresses/email addresses to create a permanent CC mailing list. I know I have the option to join the list on my registration forms. Does that list exist yet? If so, who has it?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

 

 

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Group: runacc Message: 2051 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: CC28 report – Historical masq
Group: runacc Message: 2052 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/19/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – LAA — FOR THIS LIST ONLY
Group: runacc Message: 2053 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/20/2010
Subject: CC28 report – wrap up
Group: runacc Message: 2054 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/20/2010
Subject: CC28 report – Monday
Group: runacc Message: 2055 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/23/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – The Hotel
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Subject: Re: CC28 report – The Hotel
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Subject: Re: CC28 report – Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 2060 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/27/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 2061 From: tinathebookworm Date: 6/27/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – The Hotel
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Subject: Re: CC28 report – Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 2063 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/28/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – The Hotel
Group: runacc Message: 2064 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/28/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Programming
Group: runacc Message: 2065 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/2/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 2066 From: Elaine Mami Date: 7/2/2010
Subject: CC28 – Con Suite & root beer
Group: runacc Message: 2067 From: Kaijugal . Date: 7/2/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 2068 From: Elaine Mami Date: 7/2/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 2069 From: Kaijugal . Date: 7/3/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 2070 From: Elaine Mami Date: 7/3/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 2071 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 7/3/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 2072 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/4/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 2073 From: Margie Date: 7/4/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 2074 From: Dora Buck Date: 7/4/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 2075 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/4/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 2076 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/4/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 2077 From: Elaine Mami Date: 7/4/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 2078 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 7/6/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Dealers
Group: runacc Message: 2079 From: Elaine Mami Date: 7/6/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Dealers
Group: runacc Message: 2080 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 7/7/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Official Photography
Group: runacc Message: 2081 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/7/2010
Subject: Correction (RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Official Photography)
Group: runacc Message: 2082 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 7/10/2010
Subject: Re: Correction (RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Official Photography)
Group: runacc Message: 2083 From: Michael Date: 7/13/2010
Subject: Sponsorships
Group: runacc Message: 2084 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 7/14/2010
Subject: Re: Sponsorships
Group: runacc Message: 2085 From: Trudy Leonard Date: 7/14/2010
Subject: Re: Sponsorships
Group: runacc Message: 2086 From: Elaine Mami Date: 7/14/2010
Subject: Re: Sponsorships
Group: runacc Message: 2087 From: Elaine Mami Date: 7/14/2010
Subject: Re: Sponsorships
Group: runacc Message: 2088 From: Martin Gear Date: 7/14/2010
Subject: Re: Sponsorships
Group: runacc Message: 2089 From: Elaine Mami Date: 7/14/2010
Subject: Re: Sponsorships
Group: runacc Message: 2090 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 7/14/2010
Subject: Re: Sponsorships
Group: runacc Message: 2091 From: Charles Galway Date: 7/14/2010
Subject: Re: Sponsorships
Group: runacc Message: 2092 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 7/14/2010
Subject: Re: Sponsorships
Group: runacc Message: 2093 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 7/14/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Exhibits
Group: runacc Message: 2094 From: tinathebookworm Date: 7/14/2010
Subject: Re: Sponsorships
Group: runacc Message: 2095 From: Bruno Date: 7/14/2010
Subject: Re: Sponsorships
Group: runacc Message: 2096 From: Bruno Date: 7/15/2010
Subject: Re: Sponsorships
Group: runacc Message: 2097 From: runacc@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/15/2010
Subject: New file uploaded to runacc
Group: runacc Message: 2098 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 7/15/2010
Subject: Re: Sponsorships
Group: runacc Message: 2099 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 7/15/2010
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to runacc
Group: runacc Message: 2100 From: Bruno Date: 7/20/2010
Subject: what is CC?

 


 

Group: runacc Message: 2051 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: CC28 report – Historical masq
This had to be one of the most entertaining Historical Masquerades in the
convention’s history. Each costume was well done, the presentations clever
and not overly long.

Here’s the awards breakdown:

16 Entries – 15 with awards, 1 without (virtually 100%)

Divisions: 6 Master, 3 Journeymen, 7 Novice

Awards: 4 Documentation, 9 Workmanship, 10 Presentation; total: 23 awards

So, this masquerade seemed more balanced, although – was it really so good
that EVERYONE should get an award? Maybe – the issue becomes, if everyone
gets an award, the awards could lose their meaning.

It also points out how different judging can be from one panel to another.

One other thing of note that CC comcoms/MDs should consider: When having a
post-masquerade photo run on the stage, someone on the crew needs to be
appointed as costumer wrangler. By this, I mean, have someone show where
they should stand so that fan photographers can best see their subject in
the stage lights, suggest some poses, MAKE THE COSTUMER HOLD STILL LONG
ENOUGH THAT PEOPLE CAN FOCUS AND SHOOT, and make sure that all the fans have
taken their shots before the costumer either changes pose or leaves the
stage.

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Group: runacc Message: 2052 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/19/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – LAA — FOR THIS LIST ONLY

For Carl’s, he was up on a riser, doing video. We were just told to make sure someone was on the riser with him in case he needed “any kind of help,” as he had recently had heart problems. Help was needed, both to catch him as he dove off of the riser and to grab the video and keep shooting!

Elaine

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From: MartinGear@comcast.net
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 20:31:05 -0400
Subject: Re: [runacc] CC28 report – LAA — FOR THIS LIST ONLY

For what it is worth, for the very first LAA, Janet just told me to go
find Marjii, stay with her, and not let her leave the backstage area
(Marjii was a contestant), and get her on stage at “the appropriate
time”. (She left it up to me to figure out what the appropriate time
was.) All without telling me anything about the LAA.
I don’t remember what happened when I got mine other than I really
didn’t think that I deserved it. (No, I’m not giving it back!)
Marty

Andrew T Trembley wrote:

>
>
> On Jun 18, 2010, at 1:42 PM, Betsy Delaney wrote:
> > I wasn’t there so I can’t say for sure what happened, but future concoms
> > should take note that from what I’ve read, this arrangement was WAY
> > suboptimal, especially for a con like Costume-Con, and goes far
> beyond just
> > the LAA.
>
> There was a lot of suboptimal, but there was also one unusual problem.
>
> Richard had a memory card go sour and corrupt a bunch of photos
> (fortunately he discovered this during judging when he was providing
> us references), so he and Chris had to get a bunch of entrants back to
> the photo area to reshoot them. Nora was one of them, and got called
> back to photo a minute or two before the LAA. Horrible timing, but it
> would be difficult to avoid.
>
> That said, it would be a good thing for the Pres to let another
> officer present in on the selection before the show starts (to keep
> track of the winner during the show) and the MD if the winner is an
> entrant in the show.
>
> andy
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Group: runacc Message: 2053 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/20/2010
Subject: CC28 report – wrap up
So, despite some bad vibes, everyone who attended had a pretty good time.
And as is usually the case, you make your own fun, and it’s always enjoyable
to get together with the people you only see in person once a year.

Final grade: the con averaged a C+. Let’s hope CC29 learns from the
problems with communication, and organization at CC28.

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Group: runacc Message: 2054 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/20/2010
Subject: CC28 report – Monday
Got slightly out of order there, but – we’re getting near the end.

Monday activities were practically non-existent – had it not been for the
Archives program and the SLCG bowling outing, there was not much reason to
stick around. There should have been some other light panel programming.
The reason for no real panel programming was a cost-saving measure on
meeting space. Again, many people complained that this effectively made CC28
more of a three day con, not a 4-day, which is normally promoted.

Sunday night, there were conflicting times and locations announced during
the Historical Masq on for the Archives Road Show. On Monday morning, the
Archivists were told the show would be in the con suite used all weekend.
At 11:00 am, halfway through the show, word was given that the show and the
audience would have to move down to the Con Chair’s suite. So we all had to
trundle down there to finish up. Rather annoying.

Nonetheless, the Road Show proved popular. The room was very full. We had
several of the people in the room featured in the videos, so they got a
little extra recognition as either having participated in a historically
significant costume presentation or were one of the “15 Costumers You Should
Know”. All in all, despite the inconvenience of picking up and moving, the
turnout of people confirmed the Road Show is a good fit for Monday
programming.

The Bowling With the SLUTs event was a lot of fun. About 21 of us from the
convention went, including 8 folks from Canada.

The Dead Dog party was rather subdued – even with the Mousekerade. Probably
more people left the con Monday after learning of the lack of much

programming. Most of us turned in early, to get ready to leave on Tuesday.
That was disappointing.

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Group: runacc Message: 2055 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/23/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – The Hotel

In a message dated 6/9/2010 6:16:57 AM Central Daylight Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> While the hotel made a nice setting for the theme of the con, the
> atmosphere
> did not justify the costs to stay there. We’ve been proponents of
> suburban/industrial park hotels ever since CC16 – the room nights cost
> less
> and the parking is free. (The only drawback might be fewer places to eat
> within walking distance, but not always). We thought the lesson was
> learned
> for CC21.

In choosing the location for CC28, I considered what was near the hotel.
Hotels that may have cost less, in every respect, are near very little.
Especially on foot. Not everyone drives to Costume-Con. There was an abundance of
places to eat and see within blocks of the hotel. I was also aware that many
people like to see things when they come.

Adding to the irritation was the fact that the water park in the

> hotel was not included in the room nights because that would’ve added
> even
> more cost. This makes two years in a row with no pool or hot tub.
>

If the cost of water park admission had been included in the room rate, it
would have raised the rate by about $20. I put out a call to see if there
were enough people interested in going to the water park before the con, in
hopes to get a group rate. I only had about 6 people interested.

> On the plus side, the hotel staff was friendly and it had three
> restaurants.
> One comment was made that the Café service was not very good, but everyone
> had a positive one for the Irish pub. The elevators all worked and were
> very fast.
>

The staff has always been friendly there. The one time I went to the Cafe
before the con, I was not impressed. If you mean the Miller Pub when you say
the Irish Pub, I have always gotten great service in there.

> The rooms, themselves, were designed oddly – possibly as a result of
> updates. The towel racks were in the tub(?), the sink jutted out so much
> that one couldn’t get very close to the mirror (important for makeup,
> shaving, etc.) and the beds had the ugliest headboards imaginable. Closet
> space differed from room to room – some were very deep, while others were
> not big enough. The dressers only had two drawers, and they were very
> shallow.

You were, and almost everyone, was in the old section of the hotel, which
was built back in the 20’s. Have you forgotten the rooms at the Hotel Fort
Des Moines? They were not the standard, modern, cookie-cutter rooms. Those
ugly head boards have since been changed out, FYI.

There were some isolated complaints about room problems – one had

> a thermostat problem, and another room had a smoke detector that wouldn’t
> stop beeping, so the occupants had to move because the hotel staff had no
> simple solution.
>

They heating system is as old as the building, and weird. They have a hard
time getting it to function the way they would like it.

> And what was up with the bottles of water in them, where you
> would be charged $4 for drinking one?
>

Um, standard in many hotels these days, I have found. Just like the minibar
which looks like a minifridge, and they charge you if it is not stocked
when the maids come around in the morning. Even if the stuff is sitting right
there on top the thing.

> Parking cost $12 a day. The only positive things said were at least the
> covered and attached garage, allowed people to stay dry while loading and
> unloading vehicle (it rained on the way home).
>

That rate was in our contract.

> One last quote: “The parking garage – does everybody in Milwaukee drive
> like
> a psycho or just the people in that garage? I think 50 mph is kind of fast
> inside &they loved to use their horns.”
>
>

They lease parking space to a neighboring office building. I have passed
this along and they have spoken with them.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2056 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/23/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – The Hotel

In a message dated 6/9/2010 7:05:30 PM Central Daylight Time,
bpconnell@verizon.net writes:

>
> The quality of breakfast in the Cafe was mediocre at best. I did not have
> a positive word for the Pub.
>

Why? Poor service? Lack of selection? I’m curious.

> While I can sympathize with those who missed a pool, I did not.
>

The only time I actually got to the pool at a CC was CC19 in Calgary.
Mainly because I was new in the group, did not know many folks, and had the time.

> I’ve seen bottled water labeled at a lot more than $4 each at some places
> I’ve stayed. Bottles of water in hotel rooms are like mini-bars in hotel
> rooms; it is best to ignore their existence.

What he said.

Henry

More responses tomorrow.

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Group: runacc Message: 2057 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/23/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – The Hotel

Those were my comments. While the Cafe’s breakfast buffet was a standard Hilton breakfast buffet, when I tried the waffles instead of eggs,they were cardboardy and tough. They seemed to have been sitting there far too long. If no egg chef was present, as happened at least one, the steam table scrambled eggs were no better than one would expect from steam-table scrambled eggs. Bacon was very salty; the sausages were decent. Sandy warned us off on the Eggs Benedict on the menu.

I had lunch twice in the Miller’s Pub. Service was fine; however, by the end of the second meal, I had exhausted everything on the menu I would eat and had no reason to go back again. This was a problem because I was unable to have dinner on either Saturday or Sunday since I was tied up in the green room until real late on both evenings. That’s fine, if I can have a substantial late lunch; however, that was difficult to do both days. (Tina and I went to the mall food court both times, if I recall correctly.) Dinner in the steak house on our first evening was extremely expensive and almost worth the price.

On Monday, we drove to Fleming’s in a suburb and had a superb dinner (which we expect to have at a Fleming’s).

Byron

On Jun 23, 2010, at 5:58 PM, osierhenry@cs.com wrote:

> In a message dated 6/9/2010 7:05:30 PM Central Daylight Time,
> bpconnell@verizon.net writes:
> >
> > The quality of breakfast in the Cafe was mediocre at best. I did not have
> > a positive word for the Pub.
> >
> Why? Poor service? Lack of selection? I’m curious.
>
> > While I can sympathize with those who missed a pool, I did not.
> >
> The only time I actually got to the pool at a CC was CC19 in Calgary.
> Mainly because I was new in the group, did not know many folks, and had the time.
>
> > I’ve seen bottled water labeled at a lot more than $4 each at some places
> > I’ve stayed. Bottles of water in hotel rooms are like mini-bars in hotel
> > rooms; it is best to ignore their existence.
>
> What he said.
>
> Henry
>
> More responses tomorrow.
>
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>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2058 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/26/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – The Hotel

In a message dated 6/23/2010 8:17:26 PM Central Daylight Time,
bpconnell@verizon.net writes:

> Those were my comments. While the Cafe’s breakfast buffet was a standard
> Hilton breakfast buffet, when I tried the waffles instead of eggs,they
> were cardboardy and tough. They seemed to have been sitting there far too
> long. If no egg chef was present, as happened at least one, the steam table
> scrambled eggs were no better than one would expect from steam-table
> scrambled eggs. Bacon was very salty; the sausages were decent. Sandy warned us
> off on the Eggs Benedict on the menu.
>

I don’t have much to say about that.

> I had lunch twice in the Miller’s Pub. Service was fine; however, by the
> end of the second meal, I had exhausted everything on the menu I would eat
> and had no reason to go back again. This was a problem because I was
> unable to have dinner on either Saturday or Sunday since I was tied up in the
> green room until real late on both evenings. That’s fine, if I can have a
> substantial late lunch; however, that was difficult to do both days. (Tina
> and I went to the mall food court both times, if I recall correctly.)
> Dinner in the steak house on our first evening was extremely expensive and
> almost worth the price.
>

They did add extra staff in the pub for us, but, yea, small menu. I heard
the Chop House was good, but did not have the time to try it.

> On Monday, we drove to Fleming’s in a suburb and had a superb dinner
> (which we expect to have at a Fleming’s).

That was out in Brookfield. You should have ask me for a recommendation of
where to eat. I could have found you a place closer to the hotel. Even given
you directions to a few East Indian places.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2059 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/27/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Con Suite

In a message dated 6/9/2010 10:10:04 PM Central Daylight Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> We were glad to see the Con Suite open on Thursday night, although not
> all
> the membership packet pieces were ready to be distributed by the time
> people
> were arriving in the evening.

That was because we did not get the program books till that morning. We got
extremely fortunate that our Webhost has an HP9000 printer. That’s one of
those that is about three foot on side and can handle huge print jobs. It
saved us probably about $500 to $700 on printing.

The size of the suite was adequate for> handling the expected crowds. The

> hours for the con suite during the weekend were reasonable, but it was
> understaffed.

Finding a person to run ConSuite was continual hard spot to fill. Wendy Z
from Chicago said she would tackle the running of the place at the con months
before the con. I got advice from friends in St. Louis and a friend in town
that works and runs the Convergence ConSuite. He was unavailable to run it
due to his job. A friend of Wendy and myself stepped up to the plate to help
her out, and the MACS guild volunteered to help, but I think they were
distracted by their first CC.

The person did a good job of stocking supplies with what they had, but some
people

> said there wasn’t enough variety.
>

We got what we thought would be a basic assortment.

Not complaining, but I wish that Elaine had told me she was going to get a
half barrel of Sprecher Root Beer, a local brand. When it went back Monday,
it was still over half full. It would have been nice to have that thing
going all weekend. sigh

> If it hadn’t been for the future CC parties, the fare would have
> been rather dull. The Kringle in the mornings did make it unnecessary to
> go
> out for breakfast, which was nice.
>

We were just looking to have basics, with a few local things. Like the
cheese curds, which we had to restock over the weekend. And, upon the suggestion
of Deech Mestrel in St. Louis, beef sticks. Those went well, too.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2060 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/27/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Con Suite
Henry,

Actually, it was up and running (and being used!) all weekend. That’s why we didn’t return it earlier.

Elaine

Chaise, CC30

Not complaining, but I wish that Elaine had told me she was going to get a half barrel of Sprecher Root Beer, a local brand. When it went back Monday, it was still over half full. It would have been nice to have that thing
going all weekend. sigh

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Group: runacc Message: 2061 From: tinathebookworm Date: 6/27/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – The Hotel

From Tina, re: Flemings:
Henry, Byron & I weren’t looking for your recommendations. We had already planned to eat at Flemings, before we even left Albany. It’s a wonderful little chain of steakhouses, similar to Capital Grille, and we try to get to one whenever we are near to one of their locations.

I won’t say that price is no object, it definitely is, but at Flemings you know that you will always get an excellent, even superb, meal. Worth every penny! And it didn’t hurt that my boss had given me a $50 gift certificate that I could use there, back at Christmas. As soon as I got that, I started checking out the Milwaukee and Raleigh areas for locations.

Tina

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, osierhenry@… wrote:
>
> In a message dated 6/23/2010 8:17:26 PM Central Daylight Time,
> bpconnell@… writes:
> > Those were my comments. While the Cafe’s breakfast buffet was a standard
> > Hilton breakfast buffet, when I tried the waffles instead of eggs,they
> > were cardboardy and tough. They seemed to have been sitting there far too
> > long. If no egg chef was present, as happened at least one, the steam table
> > scrambled eggs were no better than one would expect from steam-table
> > scrambled eggs. Bacon was very salty; the sausages were decent. Sandy warned us
> > off on the Eggs Benedict on the menu.
> >
>
> I don’t have much to say about that.
>
> > I had lunch twice in the Miller’s Pub. Service was fine; however, by the
> > end of the second meal, I had exhausted everything on the menu I would eat
> > and had no reason to go back again. This was a problem because I was
> > unable to have dinner on either Saturday or Sunday since I was tied up in the
> > green room until real late on both evenings. That’s fine, if I can have a
> > substantial late lunch; however, that was difficult to do both days. (Tina
> > and I went to the mall food court both times, if I recall correctly.)
> > Dinner in the steak house on our first evening was extremely expensive and
> > almost worth the price.
> >
> They did add extra staff in the pub for us, but, yea, small menu. I heard
> the Chop House was good, but did not have the time to try it.
>
> > On Monday, we drove to Fleming’s in a suburb and had a superb dinner
> > (which we expect to have at a Fleming’s).
>
> That was out in Brookfield. You should have ask me for a recommendation of
> where to eat. I could have found you a place closer to the hotel. Even given
> you directions to a few East Indian places.
>
> Henry
>
>
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>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2062 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/28/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Con Suite

In a message dated 6/27/2010 6:11:50 PM Central Daylight Time,
ecmami@hotmail.com writes:

> Actually, it was up and running (and being used!) all weekend. That’s
> why we didn’t return it earlier.

It was? Golly! Shows you how busy I was! I never got up there! And I am
surprised it was as full as it was when it went back.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2063 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/28/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – The Hotel

In a message dated 6/27/2010 7:51:45 PM Central Daylight Time,
connell-t1@verizon.net writes:

> From Tina, re: Flemings:
>
> I won’t say that price is no object, it definitely is, but at Flemings you
> know that you will always get an excellent, even superb, meal. Worth every
> penny
>
>

Well, thanks for that info! I drive past it every month on the job and
wonder how it is.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2064 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/28/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Programming

In a message dated 6/10/2010 8:39:02 PM Central Daylight Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> A call for programming occurred only a month or two before the
> convention.
>
>
>

I want to double check on this date before I comment further.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2065 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/2/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Con Suite
However, stuck back in a corner, many people didn’t know it was there.

Bruce

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Elaine Mami
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 6:10 PM
To: Betsy D
Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite

Henry,

Actually, it was up and running (and being used!) all weekend. That’s why
we didn’t return it earlier.

Elaine

Chaise, CC30

Not complaining, but I wish that Elaine had told me she was going to get a
half barrel of Sprecher Root Beer, a local brand. When it went back Monday,
it was still over half full. It would have been nice to have that thing
going all weekend. sigh

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Group: runacc Message: 2066 From: Elaine Mami Date: 7/2/2010
Subject: CC28 – Con Suite & root beer
I’m sorry you missed it. It was put there to keep more room open for socializing, to be closer to the large chairs (for a clubby feel), and for the availablity of the outlet. Almost everyone found it on Saturday night, and it was never moved, because of the weight of it.

E

Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite

However, stuck back in a corner, many people didn’t know it was there.

Bruce

To: Betsy D
Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite

Henry,

Actually, it was up and running (and being used!) all weekend. That’s why
we didn’t return it earlier.

Elaine

Chaise, CC30

Not complaining, but I wish that Elaine had told me she was going to get a
half barrel of Sprecher Root Beer, a local brand. When it went back Monday,
it was still over half full. It would have been nice to have that thing
going all weekend. sigh

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Group: runacc Message: 2067 From: Kaijugal . Date: 7/2/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Con Suite
I have to agree with Bruce on this. The first I heard about it was on this list.

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: casamai@sbcglobal.net
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 06:29:19 -0500
Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite

However, stuck back in a corner, many people didn’t know it was there.

Bruce

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Group: runacc Message: 2068 From: Elaine Mami Date: 7/2/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Con Suite
Sorry.

Elaine

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: kaijugal@hotmail.com
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 20:32:21 -0400
Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite

I have to agree with Bruce on this. The first I heard about it was on this list.

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: casamai@sbcglobal.net
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 06:29:19 -0500
Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite

However, stuck back in a corner, many people didn’t know it was there.

Bruce

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Group: runacc Message: 2069 From: Kaijugal . Date: 7/3/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Con Suite

^_^;; No need to be sorry Elaine, it’s just a shame that it seems some of us didn’t know about it.

I think with all cons, there are too many things to know. ^_^’

> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: ecmami@hotmail.com
> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 20:54:01 -0400
> Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite
>
>
> Sorry.
>
> Elaine
>
>
>
>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: kaijugal@hotmail.com
> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 20:32:21 -0400
> Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I have to agree with Bruce on this. The first I heard about it was on this list.
>
>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: casamai@sbcglobal.net
> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 06:29:19 -0500
> Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite
>
> However, stuck back in a corner, many people didn’t know it was there.
>
> Bruce
>
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Group: runacc Message: 2070 From: Elaine Mami Date: 7/3/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Con Suite

That’s exactly why the post-con commentaries are so important! I know Dora, Michael & I are paying close attention to all of them, and passing them on to our department heads in order to avoid those mistakes.

Actually, I plan to make entirely *different* mistakes!!

Elaine

Chaise, CC30

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: kaijugal@hotmail.com
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 00:54:41 -0400
Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite

^_^;; No need to be sorry Elaine, it’s just a shame that it seems some of us didn’t know about it.

I think with all cons, there are too many things to know. ^_^’

> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: ecmami@hotmail.com
> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 20:54:01 -0400
> Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite
>
>
> Sorry.
>
> Elaine
>
>
>
>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: kaijugal@hotmail.com
> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 20:32:21 -0400
> Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I have to agree with Bruce on this. The first I heard about it was on this list.
>
>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: casamai@sbcglobal.net
> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 06:29:19 -0500
> Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite
>
> However, stuck back in a corner, many people didn’t know it was there.
>
> Bruce
>
>
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Group: runacc Message: 2071 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 7/3/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Con Suite

At 07:54 PM 7/2/2010, you wrote:

I think this was one of those you cannot win situations. If it had
been more “obvious” it would have been in the way. It wasn’t in the
way, but wasn’t as obvious. Though I found it easily enough and
enjoyed it immensely.

Pierre

>Sorry.
>
>Elaine
>
>To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
>From: kaijugal@hotmail.com
>Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 20:32:21 -0400
>Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite
>
>I have to agree with Bruce on this. The first I heard about it was
>on this list.
>
>To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
>From: casamai@sbcglobal.net
>Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 06:29:19 -0500
>Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite
>
>However, stuck back in a corner, many people didn’t know it was there.
>
>Bruce

“Those Who Fail to Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly –
Why They Are Simply Doomed.”

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C. Y. 4971

Andromeda

 

Group: runacc Message: 2072 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/4/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Con Suite

New mistakes, while not good, are at least better than the same old
mistakes.

Nora

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Elaine Mami
Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 12:01 PM
To: Betsy D
Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite

That’s exactly why the post-con commentaries are so important! I know Dora,
Michael & I are paying close attention to all of them, and passing them on
to our department heads in order to avoid those mistakes.

Actually, I plan to make entirely *different* mistakes!!

Elaine

Chaise, CC30

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: kaijugal@hotmail.com
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 00:54:41 -0400
Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite

^_^;; No need to be sorry Elaine, it’s just a shame that it seems some of us
didn’t know about it.

I think with all cons, there are too many things to know. ^_^’

> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: ecmami@hotmail.com
> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 20:54:01 -0400
> Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite
>
>
> Sorry.
>
> Elaine
>
>
>
>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: kaijugal@hotmail.com
> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 20:32:21 -0400
> Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I have to agree with Bruce on this. The first I heard about it was on this

list.

>
>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: casamai@sbcglobal.net
> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 06:29:19 -0500
> Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite
>
> However, stuck back in a corner, many people didn’t know it was there.
>
> Bruce
>
>
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Group: runacc Message: 2073 From: Margie Date: 7/4/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Con Suite

Perhaps a sign on the wall saying “Here there be Root Beer!” with an arrow pointing down (or something like that) would’ve solved the problem.

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Pierre & Sandy Pettinger <costumrs@…> wrote:
>
> At 07:54 PM 7/2/2010, you wrote:
>
> I think this was one of those you cannot win situations. If it had
> been more “obvious” it would have been in the way. It wasn’t in the
> way, but wasn’t as obvious. Though I found it easily enough and
> enjoyed it immensely.
>
> Pierre
>
> >Sorry.
> >
> >Elaine
> >
> >To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> >From: kaijugal@…
> >Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 20:32:21 -0400
> >Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite
> >
> >I have to agree with Bruce on this. The first I heard about it was
> >on this list.
> >
> >To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> >From: casamai@…
> >Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 06:29:19 -0500
> >Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite
> >
> >However, stuck back in a corner, many people didn’t know it was there.
> >
> >Bruce
>
> “Those Who Fail to Learn History
> Are Doomed to Repeat It;
> Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly –
> Why They Are Simply Doomed.”
>
> Achemdro’hm
> “The Illusion of Historical Fact”
> — C. Y. 4971
>
> Andromeda
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2074 From: Dora Buck Date: 7/4/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Con Suite

Of course your will Elaine, or you wouldn’t be Elaine.  Maybe the heat out there has fried your brain cells. LOL.

________________________________
From: Elaine Mami <ecmami@hotmail.com>
To: Betsy D <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, July 3, 2010 1:00:41 PM
Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite

That’s exactly why the post-con commentaries are so important!  I know Dora, Michael & I are paying close attention to all of them, and passing them on to our department heads in order to avoid those mistakes.

Actually, I plan to make entirely *different* mistakes!!

Elaine

Chaise, CC30

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: kaijugal@hotmail.com
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 00:54:41 -0400
Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite

^_^;; No need to be sorry Elaine, it’s just a shame that it seems some of us didn’t know about it.

I think with all cons, there are too many things to know. ^_^’

> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: ecmami@hotmail.com
> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 20:54:01 -0400
> Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite
>
>
> Sorry.
>
> Elaine
>
>
>
>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: kaijugal@hotmail.com
> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 20:32:21 -0400
> Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I have to agree with Bruce on this. The first I heard about it was on this list.
>
>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: casamai@sbcglobal.net
> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 06:29:19 -0500
> Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite
>
> However, stuck back in a corner, many people didn’t know it was there.
>
> Bruce
>
>
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Group: runacc Message: 2075 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/4/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Con Suite

You’d think word of mouth would have been enough, but people just don’t pay
attention. I only knew about it because Nora told me.

Bruce

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Pierre & Sandy Pettinger
Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 9:11 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] RE: CC28 report – Con Suite

At 07:54 PM 7/2/2010, you wrote:

I think this was one of those you cannot win situations. If it had
been more “obvious” it would have been in the way. It wasn’t in the
way, but wasn’t as obvious. Though I found it easily enough and
enjoyed it immensely.

Pierre

>Sorry.
>
>Elaine
>
>To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
>From: kaijugal@hotmail.com
>Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 20:32:21 -0400
>Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite
>
>I have to agree with Bruce on this. The first I heard about it was
>on this list.
>
>To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
>From: casamai@sbcglobal.net
>Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 06:29:19 -0500
>Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite
>
>However, stuck back in a corner, many people didn’t know it was there.
>
>Bruce

 

Group: runacc Message: 2076 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/4/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Con Suite

Yeah, the sledgehammer approach at least betters your odds. 🙂

Bruce

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Margie
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 9:54 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] Re: CC28 report – Con Suite

Perhaps a sign on the wall saying “Here there be Root Beer!” with an arrow
pointing down (or something like that) would’ve solved the problem.

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Pierre & Sandy Pettinger <costumrs@…>
wrote:

>
> At 07:54 PM 7/2/2010, you wrote:
>
> I think this was one of those you cannot win situations. If it had
> been more “obvious” it would have been in the way. It wasn’t in the
> way, but wasn’t as obvious. Though I found it easily enough and
> enjoyed it immensely.
>
> Pierre
>
> >Sorry.
> >
> >Elaine
> >
> >To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> >From: kaijugal@…
> >Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 20:32:21 -0400
> >Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite
> >
> >I have to agree with Bruce on this. The first I heard about it was
> >on this list.
> >
> >To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> >From: casamai@…
> >Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 06:29:19 -0500
> >Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite
> >
> >However, stuck back in a corner, many people didn’t know it was there.
> >
> >Bruce
>
> “Those Who Fail to Learn History
> Are Doomed to Repeat It;
> Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly –
> Why They Are Simply Doomed.”
>
> Achemdro’hm
> “The Illusion of Historical Fact”
> — C. Y. 4971
>
> Andromeda
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2077 From: Elaine Mami Date: 7/4/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Con Suite
Heat? What are you talking about? I set my A/C to 80 degrees and keep cool! It’s only 105 here this week ;P

We have a whole committee devoted to keeping my brain from exploding – they are the silly people who asked me to do this job, and the ones who volunteered to join the madness.

Elaine

Of course your will Elaine, or you wouldn’t be Elaine. Maybe the heat out there has fried your brain cells. LOL.

________________________________

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Actually, I plan to make entirely *different* mistakes!!

Elaine

Chaise, CC30

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Group: runacc Message: 2078 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 7/6/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Dealers

In a message dated 6/10/2010 8:40:19 PM Central Daylight Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> Some people felt it was smallish and limited in scope, but given the size
> of
> the convention, it wasn’t surprising. Most of our people felt the dealers
> weren’t particularly exciting, and thus didn’t buy much. Worst of all
> there were no book dealers.

This was another “last minute scramble” affair. The person who was working
on it had to bail out because of the medical conditions that her infant
daughter has. Another staffer jumped into the saddle and did the best she could
with limited time. Many dealers never replied to her, even after numerous
follow up e-mails and phone calls.

In regard to not buying much, maybe you did not, but others certainly did!
All but one dealer said they did fantastic sales.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2079 From: Elaine Mami Date: 7/6/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Dealers

I spent my share 🙁

Elaine

Nil significat nisi oscillat!

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: osierhenry@cs.com
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 15:49:21 -0400
Subject: Re: [runacc] CC28 report – Dealers

In a message dated 6/10/2010 8:40:19 PM Central Daylight Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> Some people felt it was smallish and limited in scope, but given the size
> of
> the convention, it wasn’t surprising. Most of our people felt the dealers
> weren’t particularly exciting, and thus didn’t buy much. Worst of all
> there were no book dealers.

This was another “last minute scramble” affair. The person who was working
on it had to bail out because of the medical conditions that her infant
daughter has. Another staffer jumped into the saddle and did the best she could
with limited time. Many dealers never replied to her, even after numerous
follow up e-mails and phone calls.

In regard to not buying much, maybe you did not, but others certainly did!
All but one dealer said they did fantastic sales.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2080 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 7/7/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Official Photography

In a message dated 6/10/2010 9:00:53 PM Central Daylight Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> The con chair asked for opinions on photographer for the convention

First of all, I have a name, Mr. Archive Man In St. Louis.

– an > opinion was given that the one they chose was on the expensive

> side, and the
> idea that the CD photo Folio of the entire convention being only
> web-quality
> rubbed many the wrong way. We opted to just pool all our photos together
> from several cameras and distribute a set to all the SLCG photographers.
> Beyond that, while he didn’t often actively seek out people in the halls,
> he
> was fairly diligent and meticulous about photographing all the competition
> costumes and fashion shows.
>

Robin Netherton’s partner Don McClane was approached early about being the
photographer, but the convention would have had to paid for such things as
backdrops, lighting, photo printer, etc. And, going into the convention, I
was watching the nickels hard. Real hard. Richard Man came with all that
stuff. I worked on his prices to get them down. Which he did lower. I set Don
loose on the hallways, not just for hall costumes, but those odd juxtapositions
of costumes that occur. So, the photos were split between two people.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2081 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/7/2010
Subject: Correction (RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Official Photography)

Don McClane is Robin’s friend not partner.
Long time friends & they frequently travel & room together at cons. He helps
handle her slide shows for her talks sometimes too.

Nora

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
osierhenry@cs.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 6:59 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] CC28 report – Official Photography

In a message dated 6/10/2010 9:00:53 PM Central Daylight Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> The con chair asked for opinions on photographer for the convention

First of all, I have a name, Mr. Archive Man In St. Louis.

– an > opinion was given that the one they chose was on the expensive

> side, and the
> idea that the CD photo Folio of the entire convention being only
> web-quality
> rubbed many the wrong way. We opted to just pool all our photos together
> from several cameras and distribute a set to all the SLCG photographers.
> Beyond that, while he didn’t often actively seek out people in the halls,
> he
> was fairly diligent and meticulous about photographing all the competition
> costumes and fashion shows.
>

Robin Netherton’s partner Don McClane was approached early about being the
photographer, but the convention would have had to paid for such things as
backdrops, lighting, photo printer, etc. And, going into the convention, I
was watching the nickels hard. Real hard. Richard Man came with all that
stuff. I worked on his prices to get them down. Which he did lower. I set
Don
loose on the hallways, not just for hall costumes, but those odd
juxtapositions
of costumes that occur. So, the photos were split between two people.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2082 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 7/10/2010
Subject: Re: Correction (RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Official Photography)

In a message dated 7/7/2010 7:59:16 PM Central Daylight Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> on McClane is Robin’s friend not partner.
> Long time friends &they frequently travel &room together at cons. He helps
> handle her slide shows for her talks sometimes too.
>
> Nora

Oh. Thanks. I did not exactly know their relationship.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2083 From: Michael Date: 7/13/2010
Subject: Sponsorships
I see this at all of the professional conferences that we send people to at work, and we often sponsor something. Has anyone considered or tried to have sponsorships at CC?

For example, sponsor the Friday Night Social for $1000 and get a big ad in the program book and your logo plastered all over the social.

Michael

 

Group: runacc Message: 2084 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 7/14/2010
Subject: Re: Sponsorships

A very long time ago, back when dinosaurs walked the earth and CC was
still in single digits, Janet Wilson Anderson (I think I’m remembering
this right) got sponsorships from Simplicity and/or Bernina, and they
had a display at the con, offered prizes during the masquerades and more.

I no longer recall the details, and all the paperwork now resides with
Karen. My vague recollection is that this was CC3, but that’s really too
long ago to be sure now.

I arranged for Clotilde to “sponsor” us for CCXV, and we got a huge box
of seam gauges to distribute to our members in return. (Had enough for
every packet and 100 left over, IIRC.)

Some of these bids are more successful than others…

Cheers,

Betsy

On 7/13/2010 11:40 PM, Michael wrote:
>
> I see this at all of the professional conferences that we send people to
> at work, and we often sponsor something. Has anyone considered or tried
> to have sponsorships at CC?
>
> For example, sponsor the Friday Night Social for $1000 and get a big ad
> in the program book and your logo plastered all over the social.
>
> Michael



Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

Group: runacc Message: 2085 From: Trudy Leonard Date: 7/14/2010
Subject: Re: Sponsorships

As late as CC22, I contacted Simplicity on the off chance that we might get contact information fo Martha McCann or Andrea Schewe. They offered us Andrea as a guest and paid all her expenses. Not actually a sponsorship, but at least something. CC27(?) had prizes from Simplicity and Andrea as a guest. Doesn’t hurt to ask.

Has anyone ever contacted Butterick? They’ve been getting fairly heavily into costume patterns and might be interested in raising their profile in the costuming community.

trudy

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: aramintamd@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:29:45 -0400
Subject: Re: [runacc] Sponsorships

A very long time ago, back when dinosaurs walked the earth and CC was
still in single digits, Janet Wilson Anderson (I think I’m remembering
this right) got sponsorships from Simplicity and/or Bernina, and they
had a display at the con, offered prizes during the masquerades and more.

I no longer recall the details, and all the paperwork now resides with
Karen. My vague recollection is that this was CC3, but that’s really too
long ago to be sure now.

I arranged for Clotilde to “sponsor” us for CCXV, and we got a huge box
of seam gauges to distribute to our members in return. (Had enough for
every packet and 100 left over, IIRC.)

Some of these bids are more successful than others…

Cheers,

Betsy

On 7/13/2010 11:40 PM, Michael wrote:
>
> I see this at all of the professional conferences that we send people to
> at work, and we often sponsor something. Has anyone considered or tried
> to have sponsorships at CC?
>
> For example, sponsor the Friday Night Social for $1000 and get a big ad
> in the program book and your logo plastered all over the social.
>
> Michael



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Group: runacc Message: 2086 From: Elaine Mami Date: 7/14/2010
Subject: Re: Sponsorships
Usually, upcoming CCs and CC bids sponsor something in the cin suite. This year 29 sponsored sunday Breakfast and 30 sponsored the Saturday night party. There is no reason that I know of why a future CC couldn’t sponsor something else. I was, in fact, about to ask you what you wanted to sponsor at CC30. As the next CC after 30, you get first choice.

Elaine

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To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: bruno@soulmasque.com
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 03:40:43 +0000
Subject: [runacc] Sponsorships

I see this at all of the professional conferences that we send people to at work, and we often sponsor something. Has anyone considered or tried to have sponsorships at CC?

For example, sponsor the Friday Night Social for $1000 and get a big ad in the program book and your logo plastered all over the social.

Michael

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Group: runacc Message: 2087 From: Elaine Mami Date: 7/14/2010
Subject: Re: Sponsorships

I think that was at 6, because several of us bought Berninas at that con and shlepped them home to NJ & NY, with considerable discounts! I still love mine!

Elaine

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: aramintamd@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:29:45 -0400
Subject: Re: [runacc] Sponsorships

A very long time ago, back when dinosaurs walked the earth and CC was
still in single digits, Janet Wilson Anderson (I think I’m remembering
this right) got sponsorships from Simplicity and/or Bernina, and they
had a display at the con, offered prizes during the masquerades and more.

I no longer recall the details, and all the paperwork now resides with
Karen. My vague recollection is that this was CC3, but that’s really too
long ago to be sure now.

I arranged for Clotilde to “sponsor” us for CCXV, and we got a huge box
of seam gauges to distribute to our members in return. (Had enough for
every packet and 100 left over, IIRC.)

Some of these bids are more successful than others…

Cheers,

Betsy

On 7/13/2010 11:40 PM, Michael wrote:
>
> I see this at all of the professional conferences that we send people to
> at work, and we often sponsor something. Has anyone considered or tried
> to have sponsorships at CC?
>
> For example, sponsor the Friday Night Social for $1000 and get a big ad
> in the program book and your logo plastered all over the social.
>
> Michael



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Group: runacc Message: 2088 From: Martin Gear Date: 7/14/2010
Subject: Re: Sponsorships

Betsy has the right con. We were able to get Simplicity as a sponsor
for CC-27 too (Best adaptation of a Simplicity pattern in the contests),
but given the size of Costume Cons, it is difficult to get major
corporations to spend money on us. Your best approach might be with
local merchants. I believe that CC-25 did that.

Marty

Betsy Delaney wrote:

>
>
> A very long time ago, back when dinosaurs walked the earth and CC was
> still in single digits, Janet Wilson Anderson (I think I’m remembering
> this right) got sponsorships from Simplicity and/or Bernina, and they
> had a display at the con, offered prizes during the masquerades and more.
>
> I no longer recall the details, and all the paperwork now resides with
> Karen. My vague recollection is that this was CC3, but that’s really too
> long ago to be sure now.
>
> I arranged for Clotilde to “sponsor” us for CCXV, and we got a huge box
> of seam gauges to distribute to our members in return. (Had enough for
> every packet and 100 left over, IIRC.)
>
> Some of these bids are more successful than others…
>
> Cheers,
>
> Betsy
>
> On 7/13/2010 11:40 PM, Michael wrote:
> >
> > I see this at all of the professional conferences that we send people to
> > at work, and we often sponsor something. Has anyone considered or tried
> > to have sponsorships at CC?
> >
> > For example, sponsor the Friday Night Social for $1000 and get a big ad
> > in the program book and your logo plastered all over the social.
> >
> > Michael
>
> —
> —
> Betsy Marks Delaney
>
> http://www.hawkeswood.com/
>
>
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Group: runacc Message: 2089 From: Elaine Mami Date: 7/14/2010
Subject: Re: Sponsorships

True. Simplicity was 3, but Bernina was 6. It never hurts to ask!

Elaine

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Betsy has the right con. We were able to get Simplicity as a sponsor
for CC-27 too (Best adaptation of a Simplicity pattern in the contests),
but given the size of Costume Cons, it is difficult to get major
corporations to spend money on us. Your best approach might be with
local merchants. I believe that CC-25 did that.

Marty

Betsy Delaney wrote:

>
>
> A very long time ago, back when dinosaurs walked the earth and CC was
> still in single digits, Janet Wilson Anderson (I think I’m remembering
> this right) got sponsorships from Simplicity and/or Bernina, and they
> had a display at the con, offered prizes during the masquerades and more.
>
> I no longer recall the details, and all the paperwork now resides with
> Karen. My vague recollection is that this was CC3, but that’s really too
> long ago to be sure now.
>
> I arranged for Clotilde to “sponsor” us for CCXV, and we got a huge box
> of seam gauges to distribute to our members in return. (Had enough for
> every packet and 100 left over, IIRC.)
>
> Some of these bids are more successful than others…
>
> Cheers,
>
> Betsy
>
> On 7/13/2010 11:40 PM, Michael wrote:
> >
> > I see this at all of the professional conferences that we send people to
> > at work, and we often sponsor something. Has anyone considered or tried
> > to have sponsorships at CC?
> >
> > For example, sponsor the Friday Night Social for $1000 and get a big ad
> > in the program book and your logo plastered all over the social.
> >
> > Michael
>
> —
> —
> Betsy Marks Delaney
>
> http://www.hawkeswood.com/
>
>
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>
>
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Group: runacc Message: 2090 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 7/14/2010
Subject: Re: Sponsorships
We managed to arrange discounts with some local merchants (most
notably Thai/Exotic Silks).

We didn’t think of trying for more direct sponsorship until too late in
the game. If I were starting over, I’d have had my development chair on
board from the very beginning (3 years out). The lead time is the
killer; you need to get on the companies charitable radar early enough
in their business cycle that they can do something for you.

Kevin

 

Group: runacc Message: 2091 From: Charles Galway Date: 7/14/2010
Subject: Re: Sponsorships

Someone on our local CONduit convention said something similar — that businesses tend to allocate such promotional monies about once a year (based on their business cycle).

The problem I noticed with Costume-Con, is that nationally Costume-Con is a rather a small number of individuals, but locally, it’s a rather a small number of locals. Perhaps there may be a way of marketing sponsor promotional value, by targeting the total ICG, rather than just that one annual Costume-Con event(?) — or targeting the next 5 costume cons, (which may be an equivalent thing).

As already mentioned, I think we (CC-23 Utah) also got a pattern maker to send a guest, and of course, don’t wait until the last minute…

Charles

—– Original Message —–
From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Sponsorships

We managed to arrange discounts with some local merchants (most
notably Thai/Exotic Silks).

We didn’t think of trying for more direct sponsorship until too late in
the game. If I were starting over, I’d have had my development chair on
board from the very beginning (3 years out). The lead time is the
killer; you need to get on the companies charitable radar early enough
in their business cycle that they can do something for you.

Kevin

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Group: runacc Message: 2092 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 7/14/2010
Subject: Re: Sponsorships

Important point: Costume-Con does NOT equal the ICG. It is important
to not conflate the two when speaking to potential sponsors, for
numerous business and legal reasons.

Kevin

On 7/14/2010 1:18 PM, Charles Galway wrote:
>
>
> Someone on our local CONduit convention said something similar — that
> businesses tend to allocate such promotional monies about once a year
> (based on their business cycle).
>
> The problem I noticed with Costume-Con, is that nationally Costume-Con
> is a rather a small number of individuals, but locally, it’s a rather
> a small number of locals. Perhaps there may be a way of marketing
> sponsor promotional value, by targeting the total ICG, rather than
> just that one annual Costume-Con event(?) — or targeting the next 5
> costume cons, (which may be an equivalent thing).
>
> As already mentioned, I think we (CC-23 Utah) also got a pattern maker
> to send a guest, and of course, don’t wait until the last minute…
>
> Charles
>
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2093 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 7/14/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Exhibits
For the Exhibits, we tried to get local ethnic costumes, but the ethnic
dance groups were overly protective of their costumes.

The Doll Contest was run by Ann Catelli, who has done it numerous times.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2094 From: tinathebookworm Date: 7/14/2010
Subject: Re: Sponsorships

It was definitely CC-3. That was Byron’s and my first CC. The person from Simplicity did a wonderful demo on how to fine-tune the fit of commercial patterns. That was invaluable when, only a couple of weeks after the con, our daughter announced that all of the prom gowns available that year were disgusting (they were — all frilly and ruffly and in pastels and poorly-applied sequins — really sucky), and that I was to create something nice for her to wear in black or dark green.

The demo made all the difference. She attended her senior prom in a floor length skin-tight strapless black gown with a 6 foot hem, held up with nothing except boning and static cling (thoigh I wish I had known then about good boning, as opposed to the crappy plastic stuff). Marty, you may recall that one; I have a photo somewhere of you vamping with her at one of the Lastcons that were held at the Desmond here in Albany (the same place CC-7 was held).

What made the demo really helpful was that the person from Simplicity explained WHY one should do things a certain way for the best effect. That’s so much more effective than someone who just says “do it this way because I say so.”

Tina

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Betsy Delaney <aramintamd@…> wrote:
>
> A very long time ago, back when dinosaurs walked the earth and CC was
> still in single digits, Janet Wilson Anderson (I think I’m remembering
> this right) got sponsorships from Simplicity and/or Bernina, and they
> had a display at the con, offered prizes during the masquerades and more.
>
> I no longer recall the details, and all the paperwork now resides with
> Karen. My vague recollection is that this was CC3, but that’s really too
> long ago to be sure now.
>
> I arranged for Clotilde to “sponsor” us for CCXV, and we got a huge box
> of seam gauges to distribute to our members in return. (Had enough for
> every packet and 100 left over, IIRC.)
>
> Some of these bids are more successful than others…
>
> Cheers,
>
> Betsy

 

Group: runacc Message: 2095 From: Bruno Date: 7/14/2010
Subject: Re: Sponsorships

Elaine, not sure right now.

Michael

Quoting Elaine Mami <ecmami@hotmail.com>:

>
> Usually, upcoming CCs and CC bids sponsor something in the cin
> suite. This year 29 sponsored sunday Breakfast and 30 sponsored the
> Saturday night party. There is no reason that I know of why a
> future CC couldn’t sponsor something else. I was, in fact, about to
> ask you what you wanted to sponsor at CC30. As the next CC after
> 30, you get first choice.
>
> Elaine

 

Group: runacc Message: 2096 From: Bruno Date: 7/15/2010
Subject: Re: Sponsorships

Thanks for all the input. I didn’t know how things had been done.
Not afraid of doing something new. Hoping to have some new and
interesting things. Just don’t want to do something verboten.

Michael

Quoting Martin Gear <MartinGear@comcast.net>:

> Betsy has the right con. We were able to get Simplicity as a sponsor
> for CC-27 too (Best adaptation of a Simplicity pattern in the contests),
> but given the size of Costume Cons, it is difficult to get major
> corporations to spend money on us. Your best approach might be with
> local merchants. I believe that CC-25 did that.
>
> Marty
>
> Betsy Delaney wrote:
>>
>>
>> A very long time ago, back when dinosaurs walked the earth and CC was
>> still in single digits, Janet Wilson Anderson (I think I’m remembering
>> this right) got sponsorships from Simplicity and/or Bernina, and they
>> had a display at the con, offered prizes during the masquerades and more.
>>
>> I no longer recall the details, and all the paperwork now resides with
>> Karen. My vague recollection is that this was CC3, but that’s really too
>> long ago to be sure now.
>>
>> I arranged for Clotilde to “sponsor” us for CCXV, and we got a huge box
>> of seam gauges to distribute to our members in return. (Had enough for
>> every packet and 100 left over, IIRC.)
>>
>> Some of these bids are more successful than others…
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Betsy
>>
>> On 7/13/2010 11:40 PM, Michael wrote:
>> >
>> > I see this at all of the professional conferences that we send people to
>> > at work, and we often sponsor something. Has anyone considered or tried
>> > to have sponsorships at CC?
>> >
>> > For example, sponsor the Friday Night Social for $1000 and get a big ad
>> > in the program book and your logo plastered all over the social.
>> >
>> > Michael
>>
>> —
>> —
>> Betsy Marks Delaney
>>
>> http://www.hawkeswood.com/
>>
>>
>> ————————————————————————
>>
>>
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG – www.avg.com
>> Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3003 – Release Date:
>> 07/13/10 14:36:00
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>>
>
>
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>
>

 

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Subject: New file uploaded to runacc
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Group: runacc Message: 2098 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 7/15/2010
Subject: Re: Sponsorships

On 7/14/2010 11:10 AM, Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair wrote:

> The lead time is the
> killer; you need to get on the companies charitable radar early enough
> in their business cycle that they can do something for you.

To expand on this:

I did most of the solicitation for our World Fantasy consuite last year.
It was in October. Many of the food & bev producers we contacted
explained that they have a budget line item for donations, and when that
figure is reached, they stop donating. That meant when I got last-minute
donor suggestions in September, the folks I talked to had already run
out their donations budget (or had frozen it because of the crappy
economy and clearly defined bad sales figures for the previous quarters).

In some cases this may be complicated by companies running on a
non-calendar fiscal year. You need to start talking with folks at least
18 months out, so you know when to follow up with them to get a commitment.

Here’s the schtick…

Put together a nice letter on the organization’s letterhead. Explain
what the organization is and what its purpose is. Include the
information that your organization is a 501(c)3 tax-exempt corporation
and your TIN (Tax ID number) if that’s the case. It may still be
possible to get donations if you’re not recognized as tax-exempt by the
feds but have a qualifying tax-exempt purpose.

When soliciting local donors, emphasize that you want to showcase what
your region has to offer, but you need their help.

When soliciting donors with a national reach, emphasize the value of
your membership to them.

Where appropriate (namely stuff you’re going to have to buy anyway if
it’s not donated), don’t ignore the value of discounts. Sometimes you’ll
get more value in discounted pricing on a large volume than a small
donation.

Build personal relationships with prospective donors and their agents.
This is invaluable. If you’re sincerely enthusiastic about a vendor and
their product, they’ll trust you to showcase their donations well.

For CC26 we really didn’t do this. I’m not even going to say “well.” We
got a few good discounts from some established connections. For WFC2009
we built new connections. We got some donations and a lot of
direct/wholesale pricing that really stretched our consuite budget.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 2099 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 7/15/2010
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to runacc

Thanks, Andy!!!!

Betsy

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Group: runacc Message: 2100 From: Bruno Date: 7/20/2010
Subject: what is CC?
My co-chair for CC31 looked at the website and the first thing she
asked was, “where are the pictures of costumes?” She doesn’t know CC,
but she is a veteran con chair. My response was that I don’t think
I’ve ever seen costume pictures on a CC website.

That got me to thinking . . . we want new blood, but if they’ve never
been, there’s nothing to really show them why. We can send them to
the archives, or the connections website, but those are mostly just
masquerade photos.

So, I’m thinking of putting together group of pages for “What is CC?”
with pictures that answer the following statements.

CC is learning – pictures of programming
CC is socializing
CC is friendly competition
CC is costumes

I’m really going to have to search my old CC photos. I don’t take
nearly as many as I used to.

Michael

 

 

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Group: runacc Message: 2001 From: Dora Buck Date: 4/3/2010
Subject: Re: Info for future CCs
Group: runacc Message: 2002 From: Elaine Mami Date: 4/3/2010
Subject: Re: Info for future CCs
Group: runacc Message: 2003 From: Margie Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: Re: Info for future CCs
Group: runacc Message: 2004 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: Re: Info for future CCs
Group: runacc Message: 2005 From: Dora Buck Date: 4/5/2010
Subject: Re: Info for future CCs
Group: runacc Message: 2006 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 4/5/2010
Subject: Re: Info for future CCs
Group: runacc Message: 2007 From: Margie Date: 4/5/2010
Subject: Financial reports
Group: runacc Message: 2008 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 4/5/2010
Subject: Re: Financial reports
Group: runacc Message: 2009 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 4/6/2010
Subject: Re: Financial reports
Group: runacc Message: 2010 From: Martin Gear Date: 4/13/2010
Subject: Re: [CostumeCon] side trips?
Group: runacc Message: 2011 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 4/13/2010
Subject: Re: [CostumeCon] side trips?
Group: runacc Message: 2012 From: Martin Gear Date: 4/13/2010
Subject: Re: [CostumeCon] side trips?
Group: runacc Message: 2013 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 4/19/2010
Subject: CC28 Stage
Group: runacc Message: 2014 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/16/2010
Subject: CC28 report in progress
Group: runacc Message: 2015 From: Bruno Date: 5/21/2010
Subject: CC31 Your Weekly Facebook Page Update
Group: runacc Message: 2016 From: Margie Date: 6/3/2010
Subject: Re: Financial reports
Group: runacc Message: 2017 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/3/2010
Subject: Re: Financial reports
Group: runacc Message: 2018 From: Margie Date: 6/4/2010
Subject: Re: Financial reports
Group: runacc Message: 2019 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/4/2010
Subject: Re: Financial reports
Group: runacc Message: 2020 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/5/2010
Subject: CC28 Report – before the con
Group: runacc Message: 2021 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/5/2010
Subject: Re: Financial reports
Group: runacc Message: 2022 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/9/2010
Subject: CC28 report – The Hotel
Group: runacc Message: 2023 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/9/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – The Hotel
Group: runacc Message: 2024 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/9/2010
Subject: CC28 report – Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 2025 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/10/2010
Subject: CC28 report – Programming
Group: runacc Message: 2026 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/10/2010
Subject: CC28 report – Dealers
Group: runacc Message: 2027 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/10/2010
Subject: CC28 report – Official Photography
Group: runacc Message: 2028 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/11/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Official Photography – correction
Group: runacc Message: 2029 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/11/2010
Subject: CC28 report – Exhibits
Group: runacc Message: 2030 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/11/2010
Subject: CC28 report – Friday events
Group: runacc Message: 2031 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/17/2010
Subject: CC28 report – SF & F masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 2032 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 6/17/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – SF & F masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 2033 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 6/17/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – SF & F masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 2034 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 6/17/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – SF & F masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 2035 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/17/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – SF & F masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 2036 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 6/17/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – SF & F masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 2037 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/17/2010
Subject: CC28 reviews
Group: runacc Message: 2038 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – SF & F masquerade awards
Group: runacc Message: 2039 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: CC28 report – LAA — FOR THIS LIST ONLY
Group: runacc Message: 2040 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – LAA — FOR THIS LIST ONLY
Group: runacc Message: 2041 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – LAA — FOR THIS LIST ONLY
Group: runacc Message: 2042 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – LAA — FOR THIS LIST ONLY
Group: runacc Message: 2043 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – LAA — FOR THIS LIST ONLY
Group: runacc Message: 2044 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – LAA — FOR THIS LIST ONLY
Group: runacc Message: 2045 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – LAA — FOR THIS LIST ONLY
Group: runacc Message: 2046 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – LAA — FOR THIS LIST ONLY
Group: runacc Message: 2047 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – LAA — FOR THIS LIST ONLY
Group: runacc Message: 2048 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – LAA — FOR THIS LIST ONLY
Group: runacc Message: 2049 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: CC28 report – FFS
Group: runacc Message: 2050 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: CC28 report – Outside the con

 


 

Group: runacc Message: 2001 From: Dora Buck Date: 4/3/2010
Subject: Re: Info for future CCs
I have the member list from cc26 so it was passed on.

Dora

________________________________
From: Nora & Bruce Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 6:31:25 PM
Subject: [runacc] Info for future CCs

At CC25 we collected a list of attendees who wanted to receive information
on Future CCs which we then passed on to the seated committees at the time
(CC26, CC27 & CC28).
I know I have a copy of it stored on a disk with other CC25 info but what
did those committees do with it?
Have they added any to it? Will it get forwarded to CC29, CC30, etc.?

Nora

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Group: runacc Message: 2002 From: Elaine Mami Date: 4/3/2010
Subject: Re: Info for future CCs
Could you pass it along to us, please? Or just bring it to CC28.

Thanks,

Elaine

Nil significat nisi oscillat!

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: dfaybuck@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 17:55:10 -0700
Subject: Re: [runacc] Info for future CCs

I have the member list from cc26 so it was passed on.

Dora

________________________________
From: Nora & Bruce Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 6:31:25 PM
Subject: [runacc] Info for future CCs

At CC25 we collected a list of attendees who wanted to receive information
on Future CCs which we then passed on to the seated committees at the time
(CC26, CC27 & CC28).
I know I have a copy of it stored on a disk with other CC25 info but what
did those committees do with it?
Have they added any to it? Will it get forwarded to CC29, CC30, etc.?

Nora

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Group: runacc Message: 2003 From: Margie Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: Re: Info for future CCs

“Bring it along” implies a non-digital version… I’d *way* prefer something electronic (for CC30). If you could send it to Elaine and I, I can put it to use! 🙂

Thanks!

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Mami <ecmami@…> wrote:
>
>
> Could you pass it along to us, please? Or just bring it to CC28.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Elaine
>
> Nil significat nisi oscillat!
>
>
>
>
>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: dfaybuck@…
> Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 17:55:10 -0700
> Subject: Re: [runacc] Info for future CCs
>
>
>
>
>
> I have the member list from cc26 so it was passed on.
>
> Dora
>
> ________________________________
> From: Nora & Bruce Mai <casamai@…>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 6:31:25 PM
> Subject: [runacc] Info for future CCs
>
>
> At CC25 we collected a list of attendees who wanted to receive information
> on Future CCs which we then passed on to the seated committees at the time
> (CC26, CC27 & CC28).
> I know I have a copy of it stored on a disk with other CC25 info but what
> did those committees do with it?
> Have they added any to it? Will it get forwarded to CC29, CC30, etc.?
>
> Nora
>
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Group: runacc Message: 2004 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: Re: Info for future CCs

I’ve emailed my CC26 pass-along names list to Elaine.

Kevin

Margie wrote:

>
>
> “Bring it along” implies a non-digital version… I’d *way* prefer
> something electronic (for CC30). If you could send it to Elaine and I,
> I can put it to use! 🙂
>
> Thanks!
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2005 From: Dora Buck Date: 4/5/2010
Subject: Re: Info for future CCs

Thanks Kevin

________________________________
From: “Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair” <chair@cc26.org>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, April 4, 2010 1:38:38 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: Info for future CCs

I’ve emailed my CC26 pass-along names list to Elaine.

Kevin

Margie wrote:

>
>
> “Bring it along” implies a non-digital version… I’d *way* prefer
> something electronic (for CC30). If you could send it to Elaine and I,
> I can put it to use! 🙂
>
> Thanks!
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2006 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 4/5/2010
Subject: Re: Info for future CCs

Good! Thanks Kevin!
Cause while I’d be willing to look for the orginal the idea was to add to the list at each CC & build a list for the future. I’m sure Kevin’s list from CC26 has lots of additions to our starter list.

Nora

— On Sun, 4/4/10, Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair <chair@cc26.org> wrote:

From: Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair <chair@cc26.org>
Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: Info for future CCs
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, April 4, 2010, 12:38 PM

I’ve emailed my CC26 pass-along names list to Elaine.

Kevin

Margie wrote:
>
>
> “Bring it along” implies a non-digital version… I’d *way* prefer
> something electronic (for CC30). If you could send it to Elaine and I,
> I can put it to use! 🙂
>
> Thanks!
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2007 From: Margie Date: 4/5/2010
Subject: Financial reports
We’ve received financial info from CC25, and a working budget from CC29… would any other previous CC’s have financial reports they could share? Thanks!

 

Group: runacc Message: 2008 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 4/5/2010
Subject: Re: Financial reports

Well, (red-faced admission) we’re still processing our staff refunds due
to our CFO also being the treasurer for at least 3 other conventions +
her dealing with a major case of life (family health issues) over the
last 2 years.

I’ll see if I can get the basic results for you; we came out healthily
in the black (which is why we’re able to do those refunds, and why we’ve
had pass-along funds for recent CCs.).

Kevin

Margie wrote:

>
>
> We’ve received financial info from CC25, and a working budget from
> CC29… would any other previous CC’s have financial reports they
> could share? Thanks!
>
>
> Reply to <mailto:marg1066@gmail.com?subject=Financial%20reports>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2009 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 4/6/2010
Subject: Re: Financial reports

Refunds & pass-alongs are always nice. We were lucky enough to be able to do
both for CC16 & CC25.

Nora

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 1:47 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Financial reports

Well, (red-faced admission) we’re still processing our staff refunds due
to our CFO also being the treasurer for at least 3 other conventions +
her dealing with a major case of life (family health issues) over the
last 2 years.

I’ll see if I can get the basic results for you; we came out healthily
in the black (which is why we’re able to do those refunds, and why we’ve
had pass-along funds for recent CCs.).

Kevin

Margie wrote:

>
>
> We’ve received financial info from CC25, and a working budget from
> CC29… would any other previous CC’s have financial reports they
> could share? Thanks!
>
>
> Reply to <mailto:marg1066@gmail.com?subject=Financial%20reports>

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Group: runacc Message: 2010 From: Martin Gear Date: 4/13/2010
Subject: Re: [CostumeCon] side trips?

OK, I’m seeing all sorts of information about side trips, things to do
while in Milwaukee, what’s outside the hotel etc. but what I’m not
seeing is any of the information about what Costume Cons are supposed to
be all about such as: the size and layout of the stage; the type and
level of tech that will be provided; the size and layout of the green
room; timing for the various events including tech rehearsals; schedule
of panels/classes etc. Is there going to be an actual Costume Con or is
this just a promo for neat things to do in Milwaukee?

Marty

CC2010Milw@cs.com wrote:

>
>
> In a message dated 4/12/2010 5:22:44 PM Central Daylight Time,
> jeanine@woollycat.net writes:
>> Is a trip being planned to go to American Science Surplus?
>>
>>
>
> Not at this point, but it is maybe 15 minutes from the hotel and an
> easy drive. It would be a fun place to go to Friday morning while the
> ICG meetings are going on.
> Henry W. Osier
> Chairman, Costume-Con 28
> May 7 to May 10, 2010 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin
> www.CC28.org
> Look for our fan page on Facebook!
> And on Twitter: CostumeCon28
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> Join the CostumeCon Yahoo group!
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Group: runacc Message: 2011 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 4/13/2010
Subject: Re: [CostumeCon] side trips?
Layout and Schedule should be posted within the next couple of days. A
preliminary schedule is up now on the website.

Henry Osier
Chairman, CC28

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Group: runacc Message: 2012 From: Martin Gear Date: 4/13/2010
Subject: Re: [CostumeCon] side trips?

To anyone considering running a future Costume Con –

This is the kind of information that should be available and published
on the final day of the previous Costume Con, not less than a month
before the convention! If you have done your job properly, you should
know what size stage you are going to be able to provide, and have at
least a rough idea of what kind of tech you will have available, and the
days and times for the mandatory events.

NolaCon taught me that if I want to see a particular city, I should plan
a vacation to that city, not choose a convention on the basis of what
there is to do in that city. If the convention is run properly, I
probably won’t have any time during the convention to see the city’s
attractions, and if the con isn’t run properly then why did I waste my
money on a membership?

Yes, I feel pretty strongly about this! I have chaired or been a major
committee member of at least 6 Costume Cons and an equal number of
WorldCons.

Marty

osierhenry@cs.com wrote:

>
>
> Layout and Schedule should be posted within the next couple of days. A
> preliminary schedule is up now on the website.
>
> Henry Osier
> Chairman, CC28
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2013 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 4/19/2010
Subject: CC28 Stage
Henry has asked me to announce the stage dimensions for all CC28 events.

The stage will be 12 feet deep by 24 feet wide. Entry and/or exit
will be from the two sides. Unfortunately, there will not be an area
on the stage for staging entries. There will be a staging area at the
base of the stairs.

If you have any questions, please direct them to Henry so he can
check them out.

Pierre

“Those Who Fail to Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly –
Why They Are Simply Doomed.”

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C. Y. 4971

Andromeda

 

Group: runacc Message: 2014 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/16/2010
Subject: CC28 report in progress
First draft is done. It will be posted to the SLCG Yahoo group for
additional comments before being packaged up and posted here, warts and all.
Probably be about a week or so.

Bruce

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Group: runacc Message: 2015 From: Bruno Date: 5/21/2010
Subject: CC31 Your Weekly Facebook Page Update
CC31 Facebook activity since 5/13/10.

Here is this week’s summary for the Facebook Page: Costume-Con 31 —
Denver, CO

+57 Fans this week (57 total Fans)
10 Wall Posts, Comments, and Likes this week (0 last week)
168 visits to your page this week(2 visits last week)

Michael

 

Group: runacc Message: 2016 From: Margie Date: 6/3/2010
Subject: Re: Financial reports

Hi again, it’s been a couple of months, and CC28 has come and gone, so I thought I would inquire again to see if any CC committee has financial reports they could share — it would help us a great deal in setting up our budget!

Thanks!

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Margie” <marg1066@…> wrote:
>
> We’ve received financial info from CC25, and a working budget from CC29… would any other previous CC’s have financial reports they could share? Thanks!
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2017 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/3/2010
Subject: Re: Financial reports

Looked in all the basic places & can’t find the master disk of info for
CC25. I’m sure it will turn up & when it does I’ll be happy to send it
along.
But since you have info from more recent CCs, you should be fine.

Nora

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Margie
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 10:59 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] Re: Financial reports

Hi again, it’s been a couple of months, and CC28 has come and gone, so I
thought I would inquire again to see if any CC committee has financial
reports they could share — it would help us a great deal in setting up our
budget!

Thanks!

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Margie” <marg1066@…> wrote:
>
> We’ve received financial info from CC25, and a working budget from CC29…
would any other previous CC’s have financial reports they could share?
Thanks!
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2018 From: Margie Date: 6/4/2010
Subject: Re: Financial reports

I’m definitely still looking for info. To my knowledge, all I have is your (CC25’s) mostly-complete report, and the projected budget for CC29 (which is not the same thing as a finished convention’s financial report). Perhaps Elaine has been sent something else? I will check.

Henry’s offered info from 28, and when 26 finishes up, I think Kevin will send that. I’ll ask Karen about 27, to see if she or anyone can provide that. Our treasurer is very interested in having as much info as possible to work from.

And I’m sure we’ll have good stuff compiled to pass along to CC31 and on! 🙂

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Nora & Bruce Mai” <casamai@…> wrote:
>
> Looked in all the basic places & can’t find the master disk of info for
> CC25. I’m sure it will turn up & when it does I’ll be happy to send it
> along.
> But since you have info from more recent CCs, you should be fine.
>
> Nora
>
> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Margie
> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 10:59 AM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [runacc] Re: Financial reports
>
> Hi again, it’s been a couple of months, and CC28 has come and gone, so I
> thought I would inquire again to see if any CC committee has financial
> reports they could share — it would help us a great deal in setting up our
> budget!
>
> Thanks!
>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Margie” <marg1066@> wrote:
> >
> > We’ve received financial info from CC25, and a working budget from CC29…
> would any other previous CC’s have financial reports they could share?
> Thanks!
> >
>
>
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo! Groups
> Links
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2019 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/4/2010
Subject: Re: Financial reports

Marg,

I have not received anything else.

Ask Ricky or Marty about CC27. That was not Karen’s position, and she doesn’t have that paperwork.

Elaine

Nil significat nisi oscillat!

I’m definitely still looking for info. To my knowledge, all I have is your (CC25’s) mostly-complete report, and the projected budget for CC29 (which is not the same thing as a finished convention’s financial report). Perhaps Elaine has been sent something else? I will check.

Henry’s offered info from 28, and when 26 finishes up, I think Kevin will send that. I’ll ask Karen about 27, to see if she or anyone can provide that. Our treasurer is very interested in having as much info as possible to work from.

And I’m sure we’ll have good stuff compiled to pass along to CC31 and on! 🙂

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Nora & Bruce Mai” <casamai@…> wrote:
>
> Looked in all the basic places & can’t find the master disk of info for
> CC25. I’m sure it will turn up & when it does I’ll be happy to send it
> along.
> But since you have info from more recent CCs, you should be fine.
>
> Nora
>
> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Margie
> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 10:59 AM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [runacc] Re: Financial reports
>
> Hi again, it’s been a couple of months, and CC28 has come and gone, so I
> thought I would inquire again to see if any CC committee has financial
> reports they could share — it would help us a great deal in setting up our
> budget!
>
> Thanks!
>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Margie” <marg1066@> wrote:
> >
> > We’ve received financial info from CC25, and a working budget from CC29…
> would any other previous CC’s have financial reports they could share?
> Thanks!
> >
>
>
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo! Groups
> Links
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2020 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/5/2010
Subject: CC28 Report – before the con
I meant to get this out sooner, but just didn’t get to it as soon as I
hoped. Anyway, I hope this report will be useful for following CC people.

Time once again for the annual SLCG review of Costume-Con. It’s the normal
disclaimers – the opinions are those of the attending SLUTs – your mileage
may vary. They are based on what was experienced as attendees, as well as
what happened
behind the scenes on the CC28 Staff List.

If there was one thing that was a particular problem, it was with
communication. It was poor between the concom and the attendees, concom and
staff – apparently, even concom and the hotel. Let’s start with the
Progress Report.

Only one Progress Report was ever issued. There should have been at least
one more, closer to the convention. There
should not be a complete reliance on a website to distribute information.
Some information was never even posted on the Costume-Con Yahoo group. Not
only is this a disservice to the convention attendees, it hurts the con
itself by keeping them in the dark. There were important convention
updates attendees should have known that were only posted on the CC28 Staff
list: apparently, there was an expectation that the Staff should get the
word out on their own. An offer was made to “shill” for the con on various
forums, listgroups, etc. – all the Milwaukee-area con staff had to do was
post whatever new information was known to the Staff list. This offer was
pretty much ignored.

Even direct questions on the Staff list about programming, the stage, and
the Folio were either
ignored, took too long, or the “answer” had nothing to do with the
question. Or, the answers seemed evasive. If you don’t know the
answer, at least admit it. Many people complained about that there seemed
to be more information about activities un-related to the convention than
the convention itself.

The website was updated infrequently, until the convention date drew
considerably nearer, when a new staffer took over. Some people complained
that the clever spy-themed navigation buttons were confusing. There was
never a map to the hotel posted – you had to go to the hotel website to get
directions. That should have been in a PR, along with stage info, etc. (the
latter is covered in a later part of the review).

The situation with the Fashion Folio was another huge complaint. The first
director was almost completely uncommunicative. We understand there were
Life issues, but there was no excuse for the FFF Director procrastinating as
long as they did. So much time went by without it being judged or published
that it had a direct effect on the number of entries in the Future Fashion
Show. Numerous inquiries for a status report went unanswered for months.
There were vague promises of follow up, but not much came of them. It was
only learned at the end of December that judging had not been completed.
The Director should have been replaced before this point. Instead, it
didn’t happen for another month. Had Nora not volunteered to step in to
edit and distribute it in e-form, it might not have gotten out even 2 months
before the convention.

The one positive thing that came out of this was that a good number of
convention members were willing to accept a pdf version of the Folio in
order to receive
it sooner, while waiting to get their printed copy at the convention.
However, we have no info on whether everyone actually DID get them (we have
at least one member who never did get their printed version). For the
future, it might be worth exploring by con committees to offer a
discount for an email copy first and picking up the Folio at the con. This
could potentially save a lot of money (postage) on the biggest expense
prior to the event.

Next: The Hotel

 

Group: runacc Message: 2021 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/5/2010
Subject: Re: Financial reports
The books for CC28 should be done by the end of this month.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2022 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/9/2010
Subject: CC28 report – The Hotel
While the hotel made a nice setting for the theme of the con, the atmosphere
did not justify the costs to stay there. We’ve been proponents of
suburban/industrial park hotels ever since CC16 – the room nights cost less

and the parking is free. (The only drawback might be fewer places to eat
within walking distance, but not always). We thought the lesson was learned
for CC21. Adding to the irritation was the fact that the water park in the
hotel was not included in the room nights because that would’ve added even
more cost. This makes two years in a row with no pool or hot tub.

On the plus side, the hotel staff was friendly and it had three restaurants.

One comment was made that the Café service was not very good, but everyone

had a positive one for the Irish pub. The elevators all worked and were

very fast.

The rooms, themselves, were designed oddly – possibly as a result of
updates. The towel racks were in the tub(?), the sink jutted out so much
that one couldn’t get very close to the mirror (important for makeup,
shaving, etc.) and the beds had the ugliest headboards imaginable. Closet
space differed from room to room – some were very deep, while others were

not big enough. The dressers only had two drawers, and they were very

shallow. There were some isolated complaints about room problems – one had
a thermostat problem, and another room had a smoke detector that wouldn’t
stop beeping, so the occupants had to move because the hotel staff had no
simple solution.

And what was up with the bottles of water in them, where you

would be charged $4 for drinking one?

Parking cost $12 a day. The only positive things said were at least the
covered and attached garage, allowed people to stay dry while loading and
unloading vehicle (it rained on the way home).

One last quote: “The parking garage – does everybody in Milwaukee drive like
a psycho or just the people in that garage? I think 50 mph is kind of fast
inside & they loved to use their horns.”

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Group: runacc Message: 2023 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/9/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – The Hotel

The quality of breakfast in the Cafe was mediocre at best. I did not have a positive word for the Pub.

While I can sympathize with those who missed a pool, I did not.

I’ve seen bottled water labeled at a lot more than $4 each at some places I’ve stayed. Bottles of water in hotel rooms are like mini-bars in hotel rooms; it is best to ignore their existence.

Byron

On Jun 9, 2010, at 7:16 AM, Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:

> While the hotel made a nice setting for the theme of the con, the atmosphere
> did not justify the costs to stay there. We�ve been proponents of
> suburban/industrial park hotels ever since CC16 � the room nights cost less
>
> and the parking is free. (The only drawback might be fewer places to eat
> within walking distance, but not always). We thought the lesson was learned
> for CC21. Adding to the irritation was the fact that the water park in the
> hotel was not included in the room nights because that would�ve added even
> more cost. This makes two years in a row with no pool or hot tub.
>
> On the plus side, the hotel staff was friendly and it had three restaurants.
>
> One comment was made that the Caf� service was not very good, but everyone
>
> had a positive one for the Irish pub. The elevators all worked and were
>
> very fast.
>
> The rooms, themselves, were designed oddly � possibly as a result of
> updates. The towel racks were in the tub(?), the sink jutted out so much
> that one couldn�t get very close to the mirror (important for makeup,
> shaving, etc.) and the beds had the ugliest headboards imaginable. Closet
> space differed from room to room � some were very deep, while others were
>
> not big enough. The dressers only had two drawers, and they were very
>
> shallow. There were some isolated complaints about room problems � one had
> a thermostat problem, and another room had a smoke detector that wouldn�t
> stop beeping, so the occupants had to move because the hotel staff had no
> simple solution.
>
> And what was up with the bottles of water in them, where you
>
> would be charged $4 for drinking one?
>
> Parking cost $12 a day. The only positive things said were at least the
> covered and attached garage, allowed people to stay dry while loading and
> unloading vehicle (it rained on the way home).
>
> One last quote: �The parking garage – does everybody in Milwaukee drive like
> a psycho or just the people in that garage? I think 50 mph is kind of fast
> inside & they loved to use their horns.�
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2024 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/9/2010
Subject: CC28 report – Con Suite
We were glad to see the Con Suite open on Thursday night, although not all
the membership packet pieces were ready to be distributed by the time people
were arriving in the evening. The size of the suite was adequate for
handling the expected crowds. The hours for the con suite during the
weekend were reasonable, but it was understaffed. The person did a good job
of stocking supplies with what they had, but some people said there wasn’t
enough
variety.

If it hadn’t been for the future CC parties, the fare would have
been rather dull. The kringle in the mornings did make it unnecessary to go
out for breakfast, which was nice.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2025 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/10/2010
Subject: CC28 report – Programming
A call for programming occurred only a month or two before the convention.
But there didn’t seem to be much effort
put into seeking out more ideas or people with their own panels. There
were a few suggestions thrown out there, and then people were invited to
volunteer to be on them.

Several people said there were fewer panels than they would have liked, but
the ones scheduled
were fairly balanced in subject matter (i.e. historical, fantasy,
ICG info, fashion, etc.). A lack of very many workshops was observed.
The short notice may’ve contributed to that.

It could be argued that many panels benefitted from the limited tracks,
because most were very well-attended. But people, ultimately, prefer more
choices. So, it was a tradeoff. It was suggested that Monday might be a
good time to repeat a panel, but this all depends on who is staying over.

The biggest issue, though, was the decision not to have ANY programming
(other than the Archives Road Show) on Monday. The dates of the convention
included Monday, the 10th of May. That implied some official convention
activities. Yet, when you look at the Programming website page, no mention
of Monday was made. It was learned through the CC28 Staff list, but was
never
officially announced elsewhere, that the Programming Director had been
informed by the
Con Chair that no meeting space was being planned for that day – to save
expenses (the Archives show would be moved to the Con Chair’s suite – more
on that later). Except for the SLCG organizing the bowling trip, and the
Dead Dog Party, there was nothing else going on. More than one person felt
this amounted to a “bait and switch” to keep a few room nights. Another way
to put it was, they paid for a 4 day con, and got only three.

Most people appreciated the lunch and dinner breaks (even if they might
have been a tad long), but the pocket schedule was hard to follow because of
the 10 minute intervals between each panel. There are pros and cons to
these intervals: people like the “grace periods” between panels, but this
also eats up time that could be used to squeeze in some more programming.

At least one panelist complained that there wasn’t a very good record of who
needed A/V equipment. Fortunately, the son of the Registering Dept head
tried to pick up the slack. But he spent some time having to track down the
con chair and the Programming head to ask questions.

The “Con Virgins” panel was very well attended – it should be a regular
feature at all future CCs.

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Group: runacc Message: 2026 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/10/2010
Subject: CC28 report – Dealers
Some people felt it was smallish and limited in scope, but given the size of
the convention, it wasn’t surprising. Most of our people felt the dealers
weren’t particularly exciting, and thus didn’t buy much. Worst of all
there were no book dealers.

[

 

Group: runacc Message: 2027 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/10/2010
Subject: CC28 report – Official Photography
The con chair asked for opinions on photographer for the convention – an
opinion was given that the one they chose was on the expensive side, and the
idea that the CD photo Folio of the entire convention being only web-quality

rubbed many the wrong way. We opted to just pool all our photos together

from several cameras and distribute a set to all the SLCG photographers.

Beyond that, while he didn’t often actively seek out people in the halls, he
was fairly diligent and meticulous about photographing all the competition
costumes and fashion shows.

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Group: runacc Message: 2028 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/11/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Official Photography – correction
The photographer’s wife actually did go looking for people, so that’s not
accurate. Obviously, he preferred to stay anchored to one spot, given the
expensive equipment he used.

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Subject: [runacc] CC28 report – Official Photography

Beyond that, while he didn’t often actively seek out people in the halls, he
was fairly diligent and meticulous about photographing all the competition
costumes and fashion shows.

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Group: runacc Message: 2029 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/11/2010
Subject: CC28 report – Exhibits
Practically non-existent, and the room was hard to find. The 11 or so
costumes on display were all historical in nature, with a simple placard
stating what era they represented: nothing about who they were made by,
where they might have appeared, etc. None of them were competition pieces
(or at least, there was no indication to that effect). It appears very
little effort was made – not sure if that was a result of a staff problem,
or what.

The doll exhibit wasn’t much better. It was also small and unfocused.

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Group: runacc Message: 2030 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/11/2010
Subject: CC28 report – Friday events
Friday: The ICG meeting was reasonably uneventful. It was odd that a break
was taken after an hour – usually, the meeting goes straight through until
the end.

The Friday Night Social went off okay. The Crystal Ballroom was a pretty
setting for the festivities. Refreshments in the middle of the room seemed
oddly placed, and they ran out after only an hour – several people
complained

about that. This is not a good place to save money. There were no
toothpicks on the table, which meant that people had to pick up the

hors d’�uvres by hand – possible sanitary issues. Water was hard to
find, since

all there was only a cash bar outside the room. Some people would have

preferred dance music for atmosphere, but this was a spy convention, after

all, so movie music probably was the more appropriate.

There was a raffle for several door prizes, which people seemed to like, but

it pretty much put a stop to socializing until it was over. This should
have taken place at some other time.

Planning for the Single Pattern Show at the convention was haphazard at
best. No information had been provided to the Single Pattern Show Director
as to where it would take place until she arrived – this would have been
useful to know before the convention. Also, she was not informed beforehand
that the official photographer would arrive too late to take pictures of the

contestants. There was no stage set up for the show until the Director

demanded one, so that the contestants could be seen.

Having the Single Pattern Show during the social seemed to work okay, but
the stage that was eventually set up was barely adequate,

size-wise. Apparently, there was no consideration given to the raffle

items on tables – located on the stage – being in the way of the Single
Pattern entrants. Those had to be moved out of the way. Again – poor
planning.

The show itself was small – only 7 entries. This was mostly attributed to
the difficulty of the patterns chosen. (Note: at other CCs, if the pattern
was too easy or unappealing, there was a similar problem. But, you can
only do the Tibetan Panel Coat so many times.) In any case, the quality of
the entries were very good.

The Video Masquerade was supposed to be concurrent with the Social and the
Single Pattern, and fortunately, did not conflict. There were supposedly 4
entries � no one in our group went to see them, but we heard they were very
good.

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Group: runacc Message: 2031 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/17/2010
Subject: CC28 report – SF & F masquerade
Communications about this event were not good, leading up all the way up to
the masquerade. Many people had questions, but answers weren’t forthcoming
until roughly a month before the convention. We got some bad vibes about
this – first,

the stage was going to be one of the smallest on record – 12′ x 24′. And,
it sounded like there would be no wings for concealing entries,

but that turned out not to be true. Nowhere was it mentioned as to who was

the MC or who the tech crew was.

Upon arrival, we found out masquerade entry forms had to be in by 6 pm,
Friday.

Signing up for tech rehearsal was normal, but having to sign up for
Workmanship judging was not. A couple of us missed this signup sheet,
because we weren’t looking for it. Fortunately, we managed to get worked in
later, but it was a point of consternation for a while until that was sorted
out.

Pipe and drape did not arrive until Saturday. This could have been a
serious issue with tech rehearsals the same day, if something went wrong.

As it turned out, it didn’t interfere. The stage design with the minimal
wings were last minute additions on site (mind you, people had been asking
the concom about this before the convention, but got no real answers). We
had at least one complaint that the stage entry options were too limited.
Given that no one apparently knew what the actual options were until the day
of the masquerade, this is not surprising. By the way, the pipe and drape
material used was not the highest quality – any light behind it shined
through fairly readily, which was distracting with certain entries.

Originally, tech crew was almost negligible. Fortunately, our community is

good at pitching in – many people were drafted on site. The tech

rehearsals, themselves, ran relatively smoothly. Interestingly, there was a
section of time blocked in the afternoon where no one was scheduled – it
allowed a slop factor, in case of delays. Pretty smart, actually.

About the show itself. Given the size of the convention, the fact that
there were 27 entries was pretty good. It was only learned Friday who was
the MC, but fortunately, the person who was drafted was well-experienced..
The show was well paced – very few delays. Overall the quality of the
masquerade was very high. There were at least 3 instances of fairly serious
soundtrack tech errors. More than one person’s presentation was diminished
by that. One entrant refused a re-do, which was too bad, since he was a
Novice. The crew would have been better served if they’d had some simple
radio communications so that some of the problems (including the LAA) could
have been possibly handled better.

The Green Room was too small – many people had large bulky costumes, so this
made things difficult for getting set up to go on stage. Perhaps it was the
only close room of size near the ballroom, but it was still crowded. From
one person in our discussion, we were given the impression that the MD may
not have taken the time to show the backstage staff the rooms they were to
work with. In the couple of hours before the masquerade, the workmanship
judge had established themselves at one of the 8 foot tables well into the
room space where dens were to be set up. The judge didn’t want to move
because they believed (perhaps mistakenly) that they would need all that
space for documentation – not realizing most SF & F masqs usually only have
a few recreations that provide documents. Eventually, the judge did move
into Official Photography, because it was just too cramped with them in the
Green Room. Later, it was discovered there were some other small rooms
that could have been used to alleviate some of the crowdedness,

Awards:

Here’s the breakdown:

SFF – 27 Entries – 19 with awards, 9 without (70%)

Divisions: 12 Masters, 7 Journeymen, 6 Novices

Awards: 6 Workmanship, 16 Presentation, 5 Chapters; total: 27 awards

The announcements of the awards was jumbled and confusing. Workmanship and
Presentation awards were mixed together, and it wasn’t always clear who got
what.

Looking over the stats, the most glaring detail was how few workmanship
awards were given. Out of 27 entries, there were only 6? Even though the
judge saw “outstanding examples of the costumers craft up close”? If that’s
the case, then they did not follow the maxim “Excellence Deserves

Recognition”.

Worse, the person performing that duty was witnessed breaching several
judges ethics with just one entrant (they didn’t attend the panel, BTW).
Among these were talking more about themselves than judging (thus wasting
some of the allotted time to actually inspect), breaking that person’s prop
(accidentally, but they didn’t ask to handle it first), and then saying some
inappropriate things to them later, in the Con Suite(!). They were also
witnessed talking about another entry to people who weren’t in that entry.

After the convention, they posted on Facebook that they hoped to record a
“judges commentary track” for the convention DVDs by Eric Cannon, which
could be available by download. This is, in our opinion, inappropriate.

When objections were raised, the judge defended the idea by saying “This is
the first negative feedback I received about the idea. The commentary would
basically be extra added info from the documentation and workmanship that
members of the audience did not get to see up close. Info … See More like
the people who hand-carved their fabric stamps, who made their own hoops,
hand-punched their own prosthetic hair, or an explanation that Gypsy’s
outfit was based on light refracting through sugar crystals. It would be
geared strictly to allow people to better appreciate the outstanding work
that was done. We also talked about the idea of giving the contestants an
opportunity to display their documentation the day after a competition – so
that people could really appreciate the work done. So much goes on that just
never gets seen from stage distance”.

While the intentions are good, permission must be given for any of that.

Repeating – there were only 6 – Workmanship – Awards.

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Group: runacc Message: 2032 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 6/17/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – SF & F masquerade

Just a couple of comments by way of clarification…

Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:

>
>
> the stage was going to be one of the smallest on record – 12′ x 24′. And,
> it sounded like there would be no wings for concealing entries,
> but that turned out not to be true. Nowhere was it mentioned as to who was
>
> the MC or who the tech crew was.
>

I was invited to MC about 3 weeks before the convention. There had been
another invitee,
but he had to cancel late in the game. Don’t know why it wasn’t announced.

>
>
> Pipe and drape did not arrive until Saturday. This could have been a
> serious issue with tech rehearsals the same day, if something went wrong.
>
> As it turned out, it didn’t interfere. The stage design with the minimal
> wings were last minute additions on site (mind you, people had been asking
> the concom about this before the convention, but got no real answers). We
> had at least one complaint that the stage entry options were too limited.
>

I figured out how to reconfigure the pipe and drape during tech
rehearsal to create the
small wing areas we did have, after watching a couple of entries that
simply were not going
to work unless we could preload them up the steps. Fortunately, the
hardware proved
to have both telescoping uprights and crossbars; failing that I was
prepared to dust off my
wilderness engineering skills and lash up crossbars for extra drape.

>
> It was only learned Friday who was
> the MC, but fortunately, the person who was drafted was well-experienced.
>

I’m glad it came across this way; while I have plenty of stage speaking
experience,
this is only the second full-on masquerade I’ve MC’d.

>
> .The announcements of the awards was jumbled and confusing.
> Workmanship and
> Presentation awards were mixed together, and it wasn’t always clear
> who got what.
>

Announcing the workmanship and presentation awards together for each
division (as opposed
to doing workmanship awards for all divisions and then presentation for
all divisions) is
a practice that a number of us who were involved in the revision of the
fairness guidelines and also
judge/mc have been encouraging, as it makes it plainer to the audience
that workmanship awards
are not “second class” awards.
It also means that all the Best in Show awards are presented in a block
together.
That is not, however, an excuse for fuzziness in announcing the actual
awards.

Kevin

 

Group: runacc Message: 2033 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 6/17/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – SF & F masquerade

On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair <
chair@cc26.org> wrote:

> > .The announcements of the awards was jumbled and confusing.
> > Workmanship and
> > Presentation awards were mixed together, and it wasn’t always clear
> > who got what.
> >
> Announcing the workmanship and presentation awards together for each
> division (as opposed
> to doing workmanship awards for all divisions and then presentation for
> all divisions) is
> a practice that a number of us who were involved in the revision of the
> fairness guidelines and also
> judge/mc have been encouraging, as it makes it plainer to the audience
> that workmanship awards
> are not “second class” awards.
> It also means that all the Best in Show awards are presented in a block
> together.
> That is not, however, an excuse for fuzziness in announcing the actual
> awards.
>
>
> Kevin

The simple way, I think, to separate it would have been to have a different
judge announce each part. I was a little suprised when the microphone wasn’t
handed off after the first set, I had assumed this would be the case, and
none of the judges for this particular masque were notoriously shy people.
Since the workmanship judge wasn’t around to pass off to, it would have been
simple, but effective, or one judge to do the novice wormanship, another to
do the novice presentation, the third to do journeman presenation, the first
to do journeyman workmanship, etc.

~Aurora

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Group: runacc Message: 2034 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 6/17/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – SF & F masquerade

That is one very effective technique. It’s not usually so chaotic as it
was that night (especially when Andy’s involved, as he’s done this
before). I think the added merchandise prizes may have confused things
as well. I know having the podium completely off the stage made it
harder to deal with the physical presentation of the awards and prizes.

(Note that if I’m the MC and the judges tell me they want to announce
the awards themselves, I usually just get out of the way. This works
most of the time 🙂

Aurora Celeste wrote:

>
>
> Kevin
>
> The simple way, I think, to separate it would have been to have a
> different
> judge announce each part. I was a little suprised when the microphone
> wasn’t
> handed off after the first set, I had assumed this would be the case, and
> none of the judges for this particular masque were notoriously shy people.
> Since the workmanship judge wasn’t around to pass off to, it would
> have been
> simple, but effective, or one judge to do the novice wormanship,
> another to
> do the novice presentation, the third to do journeman presenation, the
> first
> to do journeyman workmanship, etc.
>
> ~Aurora
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2035 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/17/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – SF & F masquerade

Discussions on this and other lists some years ago addressed a concern that workmanship awards were not accorded equal value with presentation awards. To combat this, several of us — led by Marty, I believe — have begun to announce all awards by division instead of announcing all workmanship awards together (by division) and all presentation awards together (by division). We did this at the Denver and Montreal worldcons, announcing first novice workmanship, then novice presentations, then going on to the other divisions. I think CC27 followed the same procedure. It’s certainly what I plan to do for the CC29 historical. Having said that, it is important that the person announcing the awards clearly state that they are one or the other, rather than mixing them within the division.

Byron

On Jun 17, 2010, at 8:23 AM, Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:

> Communications about this event were not good, leading up all the way up to
> the masquerade. Many people had questions, but answers weren’t forthcoming
> until roughly a month before the convention. We got some bad vibes about
> this – first,
>
> the stage was going to be one of the smallest on record – 12′ x 24′. And,
> it sounded like there would be no wings for concealing entries,
>
> but that turned out not to be true. Nowhere was it mentioned as to who was
>
> the MC or who the tech crew was.
>
> Upon arrival, we found out masquerade entry forms had to be in by 6 pm,
> Friday.
>
> Signing up for tech rehearsal was normal, but having to sign up for
> Workmanship judging was not. A couple of us missed this signup sheet,
> because we weren’t looking for it. Fortunately, we managed to get worked in
> later, but it was a point of consternation for a while until that was sorted
> out.
>
> Pipe and drape did not arrive until Saturday. This could have been a
> serious issue with tech rehearsals the same day, if something went wrong.
>
> As it turned out, it didn’t interfere. The stage design with the minimal
> wings were last minute additions on site (mind you, people had been asking
> the concom about this before the convention, but got no real answers). We
> had at least one complaint that the stage entry options were too limited.
> Given that no one apparently knew what the actual options were until the day
> of the masquerade, this is not surprising. By the way, the pipe and drape
> material used was not the highest quality – any light behind it shined
> through fairly readily, which was distracting with certain entries.
>
> Originally, tech crew was almost negligible. Fortunately, our community is
>
> good at pitching in – many people were drafted on site. The tech
>
> rehearsals, themselves, ran relatively smoothly. Interestingly, there was a
> section of time blocked in the afternoon where no one was scheduled – it
> allowed a slop factor, in case of delays. Pretty smart, actually.
>
> About the show itself. Given the size of the convention, the fact that
> there were 27 entries was pretty good. It was only learned Friday who was
> the MC, but fortunately, the person who was drafted was well-experienced..
> The show was well paced – very few delays. Overall the quality of the
> masquerade was very high. There were at least 3 instances of fairly serious
> soundtrack tech errors. More than one person’s presentation was diminished
> by that. One entrant refused a re-do, which was too bad, since he was a
> Novice. The crew would have been better served if they’d had some simple
> radio communications so that some of the problems (including the LAA) could
> have been possibly handled better.
>
> The Green Room was too small – many people had large bulky costumes, so this
> made things difficult for getting set up to go on stage. Perhaps it was the
> only close room of size near the ballroom, but it was still crowded. From
> one person in our discussion, we were given the impression that the MD may
> not have taken the time to show the backstage staff the rooms they were to
> work with. In the couple of hours before the masquerade, the workmanship
> judge had established themselves at one of the 8 foot tables well into the
> room space where dens were to be set up. The judge didn’t want to move
> because they believed (perhaps mistakenly) that they would need all that
> space for documentation – not realizing most SF & F masqs usually only have
> a few recreations that provide documents. Eventually, the judge did move
> into Official Photography, because it was just too cramped with them in the
> Green Room. Later, it was discovered there were some other small rooms
> that could have been used to alleviate some of the crowdedness,
>
> Awards:
>
> Here’s the breakdown:
>
> SFF – 27 Entries – 19 with awards, 9 without (70%)
>
> Divisions: 12 Masters, 7 Journeymen, 6 Novices
>
> Awards: 6 Workmanship, 16 Presentation, 5 Chapters; total: 27 awards
>
> The announcements of the awards was jumbled and confusing. Workmanship and
> Presentation awards were mixed together, and it wasn’t always clear who got
> what.
>
> Looking over the stats, the most glaring detail was how few workmanship
> awards were given. Out of 27 entries, there were only 6? Even though the
> judge saw “outstanding examples of the costumers craft up close”? If that’s
> the case, then they did not follow the maxim “Excellence Deserves
>
> Recognition”.
>
> Worse, the person performing that duty was witnessed breaching several
> judges ethics with just one entrant (they didn’t attend the panel, BTW).
> Among these were talking more about themselves than judging (thus wasting
> some of the allotted time to actually inspect), breaking that person’s prop
> (accidentally, but they didn’t ask to handle it first), and then saying some
> inappropriate things to them later, in the Con Suite(!). They were also
> witnessed talking about another entry to people who weren’t in that entry.
>
> After the convention, they posted on Facebook that they hoped to record a
> “judges commentary track” for the convention DVDs by Eric Cannon, which
> could be available by download. This is, in our opinion, inappropriate.
>
> When objections were raised, the judge defended the idea by saying “This is
> the first negative feedback I received about the idea. The commentary would
> basically be extra added info from the documentation and workmanship that
> members of the audience did not get to see up close. Info … See More like
> the people who hand-carved their fabric stamps, who made their own hoops,
> hand-punched their own prosthetic hair, or an explanation that Gypsy’s
> outfit was based on light refracting through sugar crystals. It would be
> geared strictly to allow people to better appreciate the outstanding work
> that was done. We also talked about the idea of giving the contestants an
> opportunity to display their documentation the day after a competition – so
> that people could really appreciate the work done. So much goes on that just
> never gets seen from stage distance”.
>
> While the intentions are good, permission must be given for any of that.
>
> Repeating – there were only 6 – Workmanship – Awards.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2036 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 6/17/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – SF & F masquerade

On Jun 17, 2010, at 11:24 AM, Aurora Celeste wrote:

> Since the workmanship judge wasn’t around to pass off to, it would have been
> simple, but effective, or one judge to do the novice wormanship, another to
> do the novice presentation, the third to do journeman presenation, the first
> to do journeyman workmanship, etc.

You do remember how fried we were at the end of that 😉

We should have talked over announcements a bit more while we had a moment or two.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 2037 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/17/2010
Subject: CC28 reviews
Hello.

I am not ignoring the reviews. I am just behind on e-mails. Which I will be
catching up on this weekend.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2038 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – SF & F masquerade awards
You’re right – I do recall that Gordon was supposed to be the MC. But I
know I didn’t hear about you until the day of the con. Only your second MC
job? Well, you did a good job.

I’m still not sure about that whole mixing the awards thing. I understand
what you guys are trying to achieve, but I’m not sure what can be done to
make it clearer. Maybe Aurora’s suggestion might work(?). I don’t recall
that the divisions were announced very clearly, and maybe that’s what needs
to be done.

Bruce

 

Group: runacc Message: 2039 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: CC28 report – LAA — FOR THIS LIST ONLY
To keep the SF & F report from being longer than it already was, I’ve broken
this out into its own report.

I’m going to step out of the “group review” for a moment to make a few
personal comments. No matter what I do, it’s going to come across as petty,
but it needs to be addressed. In my opinion, this year’s Lifetime
Achievement Award presentation was mishandled.

The Lifetime Achievement Award is the highest honor that can be given to the
people who have made large contributions of their time (and sometimes money)
to our community. Nora has said that while she was president, it was the
best part of the job. When presenting the award

during the SF & F halftime, the recipient’s accomplishments are listed so
that the audience knows why that person deserves to be recognized. It’s fun
for the audience to see the surprised look when that person’s name is
announced.

No one thought to find this year’s LAA winners (us) backstage before the
award was ready to be given. I understand that there were some very
complimentary things said about us before the presentation – we didn’t hear
any of it. We still don’t know what was said. So, needless to say, while we
received some nice words from some of our peers afterwards, the actual
recognition was, not to put too fine a point on it, anti-climactic. Some
people in the audience remarked later that they’d noticed our reaction was
somewhat muted. Apparently, Penny Ladnier or someone posted on the
H-costume list not long after that night who had won, but it took
approximately 2 weeks for a post on the D list, and that was only after
someone pointedly inquired. By then, it was old news.

We’ve since learned that something like this has happened at least once
before. So here’s some advice for any future ICG presidents: make the
effort to make sure that your person is actually in the room before
presenting the award. And then follow up after the con.

(Stepping off soapbox now)

Bruce

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Group: runacc Message: 2040 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – LAA — FOR THIS LIST ONLY
Bruce, I’m presuming you were backstage because the award announcement
was not made clear. That’s the MD’s job, not the ICG President’s. The MD
is responsible for ordering the events that take place during the
masquerade and the contestants should be notified. Also betting there
weren’t any monitors backstage either, to allow for you to hear what was
happening in the main tent. Haven’t seen mention of them, but based on
how the rest of the set up was handled, I wouldn’t be surprised.

I recall a similar circumstance in the past, but not specifically where
it was or when. The audience was half gone when the announcement was
made. No attempt was made to ensure that the award was given with
everyone in attendance. It was part of the half-time entertainment and a
lot of folks were still talking in the halls, not in the room awaiting
the awards themselves.

*Future MDs please take note:*

It sucks to receive such an award with half the audience still out in
the wings. It’s embarrassing to have to tell someone who wasn’t there
but could have been what happened (because the judges were still out).

If you want maximum bang for the buck, make the announcement when the
judges are back in the room and ready to hand out the awards but before
the masquerade awards are given. For anything else, the LAA becomes an
afterthought. Ditto (in spades) for the Costume-Con Founder’s Award,
should one be given. I agree that it lessens the impact overall for the
recipient(s) and for the presenters as well as the rest of the audience.

My own $0.02, coming from personal experience (not with the LAA).
Hopefully, your mileage will vary.

Betsy



Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

Group: runacc Message: 2041 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – LAA — FOR THIS LIST ONLY

Betsy —

I have to point out that up until the president makes the announcement,
the MD will not know who the recipient(s) are. Only the ICG pres. knows
that until the announcement is made.

Jennifer and I went scrambling to find Bruce and Nora as soon as we’d
heard enough of the introduction to figure it out. We were definitely
hamstrung by the physical arrangement of the rooms and the lack of a
feed into the Green Room. It was really awkward, and, Bruce, I apologize
for my part in that awkwardness. (Note that I’m not disagreeing at all
with your complaint.)

As an aid to future CCs, some discussion about how to handle this more
coherently is definitely in order!

Kevin

Betsy Delaney wrote:

>
>
> Bruce, I’m presuming you were backstage because the award announcement
> was not made clear. That’s the MD’s job, not the ICG President’s. The MD
> is responsible for ordering the events that take place during the
> masquerade and the contestants should be notified. Also betting there
> weren’t any monitors backstage either, to allow for you to hear what was
> happening in the main tent. Haven’t seen mention of them, but based on
> how the rest of the set up was handled, I wouldn’t be surprised.
>
> I recall a similar circumstance in the past, but not specifically where
> it was or when. The audience was half gone when the announcement was
> made. No attempt was made to ensure that the award was given with
> everyone in attendance. It was part of the half-time entertainment and a
> lot of folks were still talking in the halls, not in the room awaiting
> the awards themselves.
>
> *Future MDs please take note:*
>
> It sucks to receive such an award with half the audience still out in
> the wings. It’s embarrassing to have to tell someone who wasn’t there
> but could have been what happened (because the judges were still out).
>
> If you want maximum bang for the buck, make the announcement when the
> judges are back in the room and ready to hand out the awards but before
> the masquerade awards are given. For anything else, the LAA becomes an
> afterthought. Ditto (in spades) for the Costume-Con Founder’s Award,
> should one be given. I agree that it lessens the impact overall for the
> recipient(s) and for the presenters as well as the rest of the audience.
>
> My own $0.02, coming from personal experience (not with the LAA).
> Hopefully, your mileage will vary.
>
> Betsy
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2042 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – LAA — FOR THIS LIST ONLY

Kevin –
True, nobody knows but the President but it’s not that difficult to check if someone is in the room. It’s simple enough to have someone check if you can’t see the entire room before you get up. Either a partner or maybe a trusted previous recipient? At that point the couple of minutes lead time isn’t going to hurt so long as they don’t give it away.
Or anyone really – most folks wouldn’t leap to the conclusion that you were looking for the new LAA recipient if you just asked if someone had seen them.

Awkward? You bet, neither of us still has any idea of what may have been said – let’s assume it was complimentary.

Nora

— On Fri, 6/18/10, Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair <chair@cc26.org> wrote:

From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair <chair@cc26.org>
Subject: Re: [runacc] CC28 report – LAA — FOR THIS LIST ONLY
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, June 18, 2010, 1:16 PM

Betsy —

I have to point out that up until the president makes the announcement,
the MD will not know who the recipient(s) are. Only the ICG pres. knows
that until the announcement is made.

Jennifer and I went scrambling to find Bruce and Nora as soon as we’d
heard enough of the introduction to figure it out. We were definitely
hamstrung by the physical arrangement of the rooms and the lack of a
feed into the Green Room. It was really awkward, and, Bruce, I apologize
for my part in that awkwardness. (Note that I’m not disagreeing at all
with your complaint.)

As an aid to future CCs, some discussion about how to handle this more
coherently is definitely in order!

Kevin

Betsy Delaney wrote:
>
>
> Bruce, I’m presuming you were backstage because the award announcement
> was not made clear. That’s the MD’s job, not the ICG President’s. The MD
> is responsible for ordering the events that take place during the
> masquerade and the contestants should be notified. Also betting there
> weren’t any monitors backstage either, to allow for you to hear what was
> happening in the main tent. Haven’t seen mention of them, but based on
> how the rest of the set up was handled, I wouldn’t be surprised.
>
> I recall a similar circumstance in the past, but not specifically where
> it was or when. The audience was half gone when the announcement was
> made. No attempt was made to ensure that the award was given with
> everyone in attendance. It was part of the half-time entertainment and a
> lot of folks were still talking in the halls, not in the room awaiting
> the awards themselves.
>
> *Future MDs please take note:*
>
> It sucks to receive such an award with half the audience still out in
> the wings. It’s embarrassing to have to tell someone who wasn’t there
> but could have been what happened (because the judges were still out).
>
> If you want maximum bang for the buck, make the announcement when the
> judges are back in the room and ready to hand out the awards but before
> the masquerade awards are given. For anything else, the LAA becomes an
> afterthought. Ditto (in spades) for the Costume-Con Founder’s Award,
> should one be given. I agree that it lessens the impact overall for the
> recipient(s) and for the presenters as well as the rest of the audience.
>
> My own $0.02, coming from personal experience (not with the LAA).
> Hopefully, your mileage will vary.

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Group: runacc Message: 2043 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – LAA — FOR THIS LIST ONLY

It most certainly was (complimentary 🙂
Kevin

Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

>
>
> Awkward? You bet, neither of us still has any idea of what may have
> been said – let’s assume it was complimentary.
>
> Nora
>
> __

 

Group: runacc Message: 2044 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – LAA — FOR THIS LIST ONLY

True, Kevin, which is why if you wait to do the awards for when the judges
are back, and encourage folks to get their awards from the house rather than
backstage or ensure that there’s a at least an audio feed to the greenroom
(which I think ought to be mandatory for ALL masquerades anyway), then the
awkwardness goes magically away.

I wasn’t there so I can’t say for sure what happened, but future concoms
should take note that from what I’ve read, this arrangement was WAY
suboptimal, especially for a con like Costume-Con, and goes far beyond just
the LAA.

We all ought to know better by now.

The technology has existed (and really cheaply) for well over 10 years now.
We’ve got no excuse whatsoever for not arranging a feed of some sort from
the main tent to the green room. It shouldn’t be a matter for a reminder but
should instead be one of the standard items you check off along with risers,
the sound system and stage lights. Setting up a monitor is painless.

Seriously.

Betsy

On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair <
chair@cc26.org> wrote:

>
>
> Betsy —
>
> I have to point out that up until the president makes the announcement,
> the MD will not know who the recipient(s) are. Only the ICG pres. knows
> that until the announcement is made.
>
> Jennifer and I went scrambling to find Bruce and Nora as soon as we’d
> heard enough of the introduction to figure it out. We were definitely
> hamstrung by the physical arrangement of the rooms and the lack of a
> feed into the Green Room. It was really awkward, and, Bruce, I apologize
> for my part in that awkwardness. (Note that I’m not disagreeing at all
> with your complaint.)
>
> As an aid to future CCs, some discussion about how to handle this more
> coherently is definitely in order!
>
> Kevin
>




Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

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Group: runacc Message: 2045 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – LAA — FOR THIS LIST ONLY

Honestly this isn’t primarily an issue about the CC itself. The announcement
was made at an appropriate time in relation to judges, half-time, etc.
What happened here was a fumble on the part of the ICG Pres. Not sure if he
just wanted to be done with it & didn’t think about whether we were in the
room or not.

This isn’t the fault of the MD in any way, she allowed for the announcement
at the right time & without knowing who it concerned (which she couldn’t
have known) that was all she could do.

A backstage feed would still be a nice idea.

Nora

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Betsy Delaney
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 3:43 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] CC28 report – LAA — FOR THIS LIST ONLY

True, Kevin, which is why if you wait to do the awards for when the judges
are back, and encourage folks to get their awards from the house rather than
backstage or ensure that there’s a at least an audio feed to the greenroom
(which I think ought to be mandatory for ALL masquerades anyway), then the
awkwardness goes magically away.

I wasn’t there so I can’t say for sure what happened, but future concoms
should take note that from what I’ve read, this arrangement was WAY
suboptimal, especially for a con like Costume-Con, and goes far beyond just
the LAA.

We all ought to know better by now.

The technology has existed (and really cheaply) for well over 10 years now.
We’ve got no excuse whatsoever for not arranging a feed of some sort from
the main tent to the green room. It shouldn’t be a matter for a reminder but
should instead be one of the standard items you check off along with risers,
the sound system and stage lights. Setting up a monitor is painless.

Seriously.

Betsy

On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair <
chair@cc26.org> wrote:

>
>
> Betsy —
>
> I have to point out that up until the president makes the announcement,
> the MD will not know who the recipient(s) are. Only the ICG pres. knows
> that until the announcement is made.
>
> Jennifer and I went scrambling to find Bruce and Nora as soon as we’d
> heard enough of the introduction to figure it out. We were definitely
> hamstrung by the physical arrangement of the rooms and the lack of a
> feed into the Green Room. It was really awkward, and, Bruce, I apologize
> for my part in that awkwardness. (Note that I’m not disagreeing at all
> with your complaint.)
>
> As an aid to future CCs, some discussion about how to handle this more
> coherently is definitely in order!
>
> Kevin

 

Group: runacc Message: 2046 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – LAA — FOR THIS LIST ONLY

On Jun 18, 2010, at 1:42 PM, Betsy Delaney wrote:

> I wasn’t there so I can’t say for sure what happened, but future concoms
> should take note that from what I’ve read, this arrangement was WAY
> suboptimal, especially for a con like Costume-Con, and goes far beyond just
> the LAA.

There was a lot of suboptimal, but there was also one unusual problem.

Richard had a memory card go sour and corrupt a bunch of photos (fortunately he discovered this during judging when he was providing us references), so he and Chris had to get a bunch of entrants back to the photo area to reshoot them. Nora was one of them, and got called back to photo a minute or two before the LAA. Horrible timing, but it would be difficult to avoid.

That said, it would be a good thing for the Pres to let another officer present in on the selection before the show starts (to keep track of the winner during the show) and the MD if the winner is an entrant in the show.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 2047 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – LAA — FOR THIS LIST ONLY

For what it is worth, for the very first LAA, Janet just told me to go
find Marjii, stay with her, and not let her leave the backstage area
(Marjii was a contestant), and get her on stage at “the appropriate
time”. (She left it up to me to figure out what the appropriate time
was.) All without telling me anything about the LAA.
I don’t remember what happened when I got mine other than I really
didn’t think that I deserved it. (No, I’m not giving it back!)
Marty

Andrew T Trembley wrote:

>
>
> On Jun 18, 2010, at 1:42 PM, Betsy Delaney wrote:
> > I wasn’t there so I can’t say for sure what happened, but future concoms
> > should take note that from what I’ve read, this arrangement was WAY
> > suboptimal, especially for a con like Costume-Con, and goes far
> beyond just
> > the LAA.
>
> There was a lot of suboptimal, but there was also one unusual problem.
>
> Richard had a memory card go sour and corrupt a bunch of photos
> (fortunately he discovered this during judging when he was providing
> us references), so he and Chris had to get a bunch of entrants back to
> the photo area to reshoot them. Nora was one of them, and got called
> back to photo a minute or two before the LAA. Horrible timing, but it
> would be difficult to avoid.
>
> That said, it would be a good thing for the Pres to let another
> officer present in on the selection before the show starts (to keep
> track of the winner during the show) and the MD if the winner is an
> entrant in the show.
>
> andy
>
>
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Group: runacc Message: 2048 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – LAA — FOR THIS LIST ONLY
Not to give anything away but all 3 times I gave out the award I made sure
the recipients were present. I still maintain that it is one of the greatest
joys of the job to be able to see their faces at that moment. No surprise to
anyone that I had “someone” check the room for me. The MC might even be a
good choice in some cases, they’re usually well aware of people in the
audience.

As for Richard, I appreciate the effort both he & Karisu made to get my
photos re-taken. It was poorly timed but not in any way their fault or
avoidable, simply bad timing. The only way to avoid that particular mishap
in the future would be to require the photographer to be present to take
pictures during the awards maybe – future cons might want to consider that
anyway.

Nora

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From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Andrew T Trembley
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 6:17 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] CC28 report – LAA — FOR THIS LIST ONLY

There was a lot of suboptimal, but there was also one unusual problem.

Richard had a memory card go sour and corrupt a bunch of photos (fortunately
he discovered this during judging when he was providing us references), so
he and Chris had to get a bunch of entrants back to the photo area to
reshoot them. Nora was one of them, and got called back to photo a minute or
two before the LAA. Horrible timing, but it would be difficult to avoid.

That said, it would be a good thing for the Pres to let another officer
present in on the selection before the show starts (to keep track of the
winner during the show) and the MD if the winner is an entrant in the show.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 2049 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: CC28 report – FFS
The Future Fashion Folio Show

Due to the lateness of the Folio getting out, few people were able to get
anything done for the show – only 6 entries. One change was made to
encourage more entries, allowing more than one person to do the same design.
This helped in at least once case, and it was interesting to see how two
different people interpreted the same sketch. Perhaps future FFS directors
might consider doing this, also. (I would like to explore this for the CC30
FFS.)

Needless to say, the show was over in less than half an hour.

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Group: runacc Message: 2050 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: CC28 report – Outside the con
There were only two “official” field trips planned around the convention –
one to The Safe House restaurant on Thursday evening and one to American
Science & Surplus. Neither of the trips were very well organized by someone
from the convention. Monday, you were on your own, according to the
website, but the con chair supposedly had a shooting range trip planned.
Oddly, the independently-announced SLCG bowling trip got posted on the con
web page, implying it was an official function, which it was not – it had
been picked up from a posting on the Yahoo groups. It’s not that it was a
big deal, but no one said it was going to be posted there.

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Group: runacc Message: 1951 From: Martin Gear Date: 11/6/2009
Subject: Re: CC site selection
Group: runacc Message: 1952 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 11/6/2009
Subject: Re: CC site selection
Group: runacc Message: 1953 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 11/9/2009
Subject: Re: CC site selection
Group: runacc Message: 1954 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 11/10/2009
Subject: Judge’s responsibility
Group: runacc Message: 1955 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 11/10/2009
Subject: Re: Judge’s responsibility
Group: runacc Message: 1956 From: Bruno Date: 11/11/2009
Subject: Re: Judge’s responsibility
Group: runacc Message: 1957 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 11/11/2009
Subject: Re: Judge’s responsibility
Group: runacc Message: 1958 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 11/11/2009
Subject: Re: Judge’s responsibility
Group: runacc Message: 1959 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair Date: 11/11/2009
Subject: Re: Judge’s responsibility
Group: runacc Message: 1960 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 11/11/2009
Subject: Re: Judge’s responsibility
Group: runacc Message: 1961 From: Byron Connell Date: 11/11/2009
Subject: Re: Judge’s responsibility
Group: runacc Message: 1962 From: Martin Gear Date: 11/11/2009
Subject: Re: Judge’s responsibility
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Subject: Re: Judge’s responsibility
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Subject: Special Membership Rate for Costume-Con 28
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Subject: Re: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT: Bid Received for Costume-Con 31
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Subject: CC25 photos are up!
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Subject: Re: [ICG-D] IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT Re Costume-Con 30
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Subject: Our domain has been taken
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Subject: CC28 FFF
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Group: runacc Message: 1951 From: Martin Gear Date: 11/6/2009
Subject: Re: CC site selection

I believe that it is, but it is too late right now for me to discuss my
reasoning. Remind me this weekend.
Marty

Bruno wrote:

>
> This is just a topic for discussion . . .
>
> CC used to follow the WorldCon voting schedule of site selection three
> years in advance. After the 2004 WorldCon, it switched to a two year
> site selection schedule. Is it really necessary to have CC site
> selection three years in advance?
>
> Michael
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Group: runacc Message: 1952 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 11/6/2009
Subject: Re: CC site selection

Bruno wrote:

> This is just a topic for discussion . . .
>
> CC used to follow the WorldCon voting schedule of site selection three
> years in advance. After the 2004 WorldCon, it switched to a two year
> site selection schedule. Is it really necessary to have CC site
> selection three years in advance?
>
> Michael

Yes.

Fashion folio (with a start-date 18 months before the con) puts
different time pressures on CC than Worldcon has.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1953 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 11/9/2009
Subject: Re: CC site selection

In a message dated 11/5/2009 10:06:33 PM Central Standard Time,
bruno@soulmasque.com writes:

> Is it really necessary to have CC site
> selection three years in advance?

It does give more time for the CC to get things together. And raise money.
Admittedly, there has not been a competing bid situation for years, but when
it happens again, the lead time will be appreciated.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1954 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 11/10/2009
Subject: Judge’s responsibility
Apropos of some of the discussion on the BOD list:

Should it have been my responsibility, as a judge, to disqualify an entry in
the SF & F if I saw the costume in the halls? Or was it the responsibility
of the MD to disallow them; in which case if they okayed it, then it was
permissible to judge it as part of the competition?

It’s a moot question, but this could become more of a point of contention as
we see more cosplayers coming CC.

Bruce

 

Group: runacc Message: 1955 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 11/10/2009
Subject: Re: Judge’s responsibility

JMO, but it is the responsibility of the MD. It’s your responsibility to
inform the MD of the situation, but let them rule on it. Judges should be
free from having to make rules decisions like that on top of judging quality
and excellence. There’s also the possibility that the entrant was caught up
in the rehersal quandry: I don’t want my costume to be seen before the
competition, but I really want to practice in it and there’s no place to
change but my hotel room and then wear it down and hope for the best.

~Aurora

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:37 PM, Nora & Bruce Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> Apropos of some of the discussion on the BOD list:
>
> Should it have been my responsibility, as a judge, to disqualify an entry
> in
> the SF & F if I saw the costume in the halls? Or was it the responsibility
> of the MD to disallow them; in which case if they okayed it, then it was
> permissible to judge it as part of the competition?
>
> It’s a moot question, but this could become more of a point of contention
> as
> we see more cosplayers coming CC.
>
> Bruce
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 1956 From: Bruno Date: 11/11/2009
Subject: Re: Judge’s responsibility

My understanding is it’s generally discouraged, might be in the
guildelines, but some MD’s allow it. Particularly if the masque is
small.

Michael.

Quoting Nora & Bruce Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>:

> Apropos of some of the discussion on the BOD list:
>
> Should it have been my responsibility, as a judge, to disqualify an entry in
> the SF & F if I saw the costume in the halls? Or was it the responsibility
> of the MD to disallow them; in which case if they okayed it, then it was
> permissible to judge it as part of the competition?
>
> It’s a moot question, but this could become more of a point of contention as
> we see more cosplayers coming CC.
>
> Bruce
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1957 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 11/11/2009
Subject: Re: Judge’s responsibility
I think it is the MD’s problem

if it comes across the stage, I judge it. I am a judge at that point, not an admin.

that happened to me at Arisia last year, all these little cosplay chickies came up to me to bitch about someone who alledgedly bought her stuff, or some other thing.’

sorry, some one told me to judge it, and I did

I think the same thing for the hall costume thing. heck some east coast cosn are so small these days, we all beg hall costumes to enter.

Gravely MacCabre
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________________________________
From: Nora & Bruce Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 11:37:40 PM
Subject: [runacc] Judge’s responsibility

Apropos of some of the discussion on the BOD list:

Should it have been my responsibility, as a judge, to disqualify an entry in
the SF & F if I saw the costume in the halls? Or was it the responsibility
of the MD to disallow them; in which case if they okayed it, then it was
permissible to judge it as part of the competition?

It’s a moot question, but this could become more of a point of contention as
we see more cosplayers coming CC.

Bruce

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Group: runacc Message: 1958 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 11/11/2009
Subject: Re: Judge’s responsibility

Gravely MacCabre wrote:

> that happened to me at Arisia last year, all these little cosplay chickies came up to me to bitch about someone who alledgedly bought her stuff, or some other thing.’

Yeah, those complaints need to be taken to the MD, not the judges. If
it’s a rules violation, it’s the MD’s responsibility.

If there is evidence supporting the claim (and it is a rules violation
and not just something somebody doesn’t like), then the MD decide how to
act on the complaint.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1959 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair Date: 11/11/2009
Subject: Re: Judge’s responsibility

First thing to do is *check the rules*!

Not all conventions bar hall costumes from the masquerade; there is no
mention of doing so in the ICG guidelines.

It became a practice (a “convention” 😉 at Costume-Cons and Worldcons
designed to avoid overwhelming the competition with too many entries.

As many folks have stated, if there is a question of disqualification,
ask the MD.
Disqualification should be the MD’s call (whatever the reason).

Kevin

Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:

>
>
> Apropos of some of the discussion on the BOD list:
>
> Should it have been my responsibility, as a judge, to disqualify an
> entry in
> the SF & F if I saw the costume in the halls? Or was it the responsibility
> of the MD to disallow them; in which case if they okayed it, then it was
> permissible to judge it as part of the competition?
>
> It’s a moot question, but this could become more of a point of
> contention as
> we see more cosplayers coming CC.
>
> Bruce
>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1960 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 11/11/2009
Subject: Re: Judge’s responsibility

In a message dated 11/10/2009 10:38:36 PM Central Standard Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> Should it have been my responsibility, as a judge, to disqualify an entry
> in
> the SF &F if I saw the costume in the halls? Or was it the responsibility
> of the MD to disallow them; in which case if they okayed it, then it was
> permissible to judge it as part of the competition?

That is a good question. I think it is the call of the MD, unless they have
a rule that says one way or the other.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1961 From: Byron Connell Date: 11/11/2009
Subject: Re: Judge’s responsibility

This turns on whether there is a “no hall costumes” rule for the masquerade. Certainly, if the masquerade does not bar hall costumes, neither a judge nor the MD could act to bar one. The rule was introduced to cut down the number of entries. That no longer seems essential and the Fairness Guidelines do not recommend such a rule. I dropped it from Philcon’s masquerade rules and did not include one at Anticipation

Having said that, at a masquerade I am directing, a judge would not have the authority to disqualify an entry. Only the MD has that power and the judge should bring the concern to the MD for a decision.

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: Nora & Bruce Mai<mailto:casamai@sbcglobal.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:37 PM
Subject: [runacc] Judge’s responsibility

Apropos of some of the discussion on the BOD list:

Should it have been my responsibility, as a judge, to disqualify an entry in
the SF & F if I saw the costume in the halls? Or was it the responsibility
of the MD to disallow them; in which case if they okayed it, then it was
permissible to judge it as part of the competition?

It’s a moot question, but this could become more of a point of contention as
we see more cosplayers coming CC.

Bruce

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Group: runacc Message: 1962 From: Martin Gear Date: 11/11/2009
Subject: Re: Judge’s responsibility

It is never your responsibility to enforce what you believe to be the
rules. It is the Masquerade Director’s responsibility. If you believe
that something is in violation, you can bring it to the MD’s attention
(which is why the MD should be sitting in on the judging) but your job
is to judge costumes, not people.
Marty

Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:

>
> Apropos of some of the discussion on the BOD list:
>
> Should it have been my responsibility, as a judge, to disqualify an
> entry in
> the SF & F if I saw the costume in the halls? Or was it the responsibility
> of the MD to disallow them; in which case if they okayed it, then it was
> permissible to judge it as part of the competition?
>
> It’s a moot question, but this could become more of a point of
> contention as
> we see more cosplayers coming CC.
>
> Bruce
>
>
> ————————————————————————
>
>
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>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1963 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 11/11/2009
Subject: Re: Judge’s responsibility

With these responses, then the conclusion I have reached is that I should
have mentioned it to the MD and let her decide. Oh well. Noted. Not like
I’ll be judging another East Coast masq any time soon, but good to know
going forward.

Thanks, everyone.

Bruce

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Martin Gear
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:19 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Judge’s responsibility

It is never your responsibility to enforce what you believe to be the
rules. It is the Masquerade Director’s responsibility. If you believe
that something is in violation, you can bring it to the MD’s attention
(which is why the MD should be sitting in on the judging) but your job
is to judge costumes, not people.
Marty

Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:

>
> Apropos of some of the discussion on the BOD list:
>
> Should it have been my responsibility, as a judge, to disqualify an
> entry in
> the SF & F if I saw the costume in the halls? Or was it the responsibility
> of the MD to disallow them; in which case if they okayed it, then it was
> permissible to judge it as part of the competition?
>
> It’s a moot question, but this could become more of a point of
> contention as
> we see more cosplayers coming CC.
>
> Bruce
>
>
> ————————————————————————
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
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Group: runacc Message: 1964 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 11/11/2009
Subject: Re: Judge’s responsibility

Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:

> With these responses, then the conclusion I have reached is that I should
> have mentioned it to the MD and let her decide. Oh well. Noted. Not like
> I’ll be judging another East Coast masq any time soon, but good to know
> going forward.

The big question still stands. Did you read and understand the rules?
Only then would you know if it’s even something to approach the MD with…

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1965 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 11/11/2009
Subject: Re: Judge’s responsibility

At 10:37 PM 11/10/2009, you wrote:

>Apropos of some of the discussion on the BOD list:
>
>Should it have been my responsibility, as a judge, to disqualify an entry in
>the SF & F if I saw the costume in the halls? Or was it the responsibility
>of the MD to disallow them; in which case if they okayed it, then it was
>permissible to judge it as part of the competition?
>
>It’s a moot question, but this could become more of a point of contention as
>we see more cosplayers coming CC.
>
>Bruce

I do not believe it is a judge’s responsibility to disqualify an
entrant. That should be solely a MD’s job. However, I think it is
appropriate to notify the MD of any potential problem and let them
make any decisions.

Pierre

“Those Who Fail to Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly –
Why They Are Simply Doomed.”

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C. Y. 4971

Andromeda

 

Group: runacc Message: 1966 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 11/12/2009
Subject: Re: Judge’s responsibility

holey crap, did we all just mostly agree on something??? I think that was fortold in one of the last Mayan predictions. LOL

Gravely MacCabre
http://www.castleblood.com
http://www.midnightmonsterhop.com
http://www.myspace.com/thecastleblood
http://www.myspace.com/midnightmonsterhop
clip samples at
http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood

________________________________
From: Nora & Bruce Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 8:38:14 PM
Subject: RE: [runacc] Judge’s responsibility

With these responses, then the conclusion I have reached is that I should
have mentioned it to the MD and let her decide. Oh well. Noted. Not like
I’ll be judging another East Coast masq any time soon, but good to know
going forward.

Thanks, everyone.

Bruce

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups. com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
Martin Gear
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:19 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Judge’s responsibility

It is never your responsibility to enforce what you believe to be the
rules. It is the Masquerade Director’s responsibility. If you believe
that something is in violation, you can bring it to the MD’s attention
(which is why the MD should be sitting in on the judging) but your job
is to judge costumes, not people.
Marty

Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:

>
> Apropos of some of the discussion on the BOD list:
>
> Should it have been my responsibility, as a judge, to disqualify an
> entry in
> the SF & F if I saw the costume in the halls? Or was it the responsibility
> of the MD to disallow them; in which case if they okayed it, then it was
> permissible to judge it as part of the competition?
>
> It’s a moot question, but this could become more of a point of
> contention as
> we see more cosplayers coming CC.
>
> Bruce
>
>
> ———— ——— ——— ——— ——— ——— –
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG – www.avg.com
> Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.59/2494 – Release Date: 11/10/09

07:38:00

>
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Group: runacc Message: 1967 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 11/12/2009
Subject: Re: Judge’s responsibility

Hey, it’s not the end of the world yet! We still have two years to go!

😎

-b

Gravely MacCabre wrote:

>
>
> holey crap, did we all just mostly agree on something??? I think that
> was fortold in one of the last Mayan predictions. LOL



Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

Group: runacc Message: 1968 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 11/12/2009
Subject: Re: Judge’s responsibility

In a message dated 11/11/2009 10:29:40 PM Central Standard Time,
costumrs@radiks.net writes:

> I do not believe it is a judge’s responsibility to disqualify an
> entrant. That should be solely a MD’s job. However, I think it is
> appropriate to notify the MD of any potential problem and let them
> make any decisions.

At Archon this year, I, as judge, noted a few masquerade entries that were
on stage that had been in the hallways most of the con. Sheila said that did
not count against them in her book because she wanted to encourage entries.
I am glad she was there and said so.

I also would like to add that I restrained myself from pulling out the
“Well, in my experience judging at a CC…” Which she was glad I did.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1969 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 11/12/2009
Subject: Re: Judge’s responsibility

In a message dated 11/11/2009 11:36:04 PM Central Standard Time,
gravelymac@yahoo.com writes:

> holey crap, did we all just mostly agree on something??? I think that was
> fortold in one of the last Mayan predictions. LOL
>
>
>

See! I said that CC30’s theme should be the Apocalypse!

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1970 From: Byron Connell Date: 11/12/2009
Subject: Re: Judge’s responsibility

No, it was Nostradamus!

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: Gravely MacCabre<mailto:gravelymac@yahoo.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Judge’s responsibility

holey crap, did we all just mostly agree on something??? I think that was fortold in one of the last Mayan predictions. LOL

Gravely MacCabre
http://www.castleblood.com<http://www.castleblood.com/>
http://www.midnightmonsterhop.com<http://www.midnightmonsterhop.com/>
http://www.myspace.com/thecastleblood<http://www.myspace.com/thecastleblood>
http://www.myspace.com/midnightmonsterhop<http://www.myspace.com/midnightmonsterhop>
clip samples at
http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood<http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood>

________________________________
From: Nora & Bruce Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net<mailto:casamai%40sbcglobal.net>>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 8:38:14 PM
Subject: RE: [runacc] Judge’s responsibility

With these responses, then the conclusion I have reached is that I should
have mentioned it to the MD and let her decide. Oh well. Noted. Not like
I’ll be judging another East Coast masq any time soon, but good to know
going forward.

Thanks, everyone.

Bruce

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups. com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
Martin Gear
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:19 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Judge’s responsibility

It is never your responsibility to enforce what you believe to be the
rules. It is the Masquerade Director’s responsibility. If you believe
that something is in violation, you can bring it to the MD’s attention
(which is why the MD should be sitting in on the judging) but your job
is to judge costumes, not people.
Marty

Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:
>
> Apropos of some of the discussion on the BOD list:
>
> Should it have been my responsibility, as a judge, to disqualify an
> entry in
> the SF & F if I saw the costume in the halls? Or was it the responsibility
> of the MD to disallow them; in which case if they okayed it, then it was
> permissible to judge it as part of the competition?
>
> It’s a moot question, but this could become more of a point of
> contention as
> we see more cosplayers coming CC.
>
> Bruce
>
>
> ———— ——— ——— ——— ——— ——— –
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG – www.avg.com
> Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.59/2494 – Release Date: 11/10/09
07:38:00
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Group: runacc Message: 1971 From: JBdashoff@aol.com Date: 11/15/2009
Subject: Re: Judge’s responsibility
Dear Folks,
I’m singing in late to this discussion but I think I have a point of
information that you may not yet have considered. Oh wait there is Fearless
Leader but he’s been unable to attend Philcon a few times in recent years. And
technically rob is the MC not the MD. So I’ll proceed anyway.

Philcon has a masquerade but typically low entry numbers, usually 10 or
less.
Sometimes we have encouraged people with really good hall costumes to
actually walk across the stage as part of the masquerade.
Some never thought of entering the masquerade or didn’t recognize we had
one because the anime term is “cosplay”
If they say they didn’t actually make the costume from scratch but
bought various parts to complete the ensemble, they are told they can present
the costume without entering the competition.

Sincerely, Joni Brill Dashoff, Lunatyk Phyrnge aka Del Val.

In a message dated 11/10/2009 11:38:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

Apropos of some of the discussion on the BOD list:

Should it have been my responsibility, as a judge, to disqualify an entry
in
the SF & F if I saw the costume in the halls? Or was it the responsibility
of the MD to disallow them; in which case if they okayed it, then it was
permissible to judge it as part of the competition?

It’s a moot question, but this could become more of a point of contention
as
we see more cosplayers coming CC.

Bruce

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Group: runacc Message: 1972 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 1/1/2010
Subject: Special Membership Rate for Costume-Con 28
Welcome to 2010!

As a special incentive to come to Costume-Con 28, we are rolling back the
membership rate to $70! But only for a few days! This rate will only be valid
until the end of Monday, January 4th. You can find the form at
http://www.cc28.org/memberships.php. Just write the phrase “This never happened to the
other guy” on the form. You can make payment via PayPal to CC2010Milw@cs.com.
Feel free to forward this to your friends!

Henry W. Osier
Chairman, Costume-Con 28
May 7 to May 10, 2010 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin
www.CC28.org
Look for our fan page on Facebook!
And on Twitter: CostumeCon28
Got questions?
Join the CostumeCon Yahoo group!

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Group: runacc Message: 1973 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 1/2/2010
Subject: Re: Special Membership Rate for Costume-Con 28 UPDATE

This is now extended to January 15th! Spread the word! Henry Osier

In a message dated 1/1/2010 12:58:16 PM Central Standard Time,
osierhenry@cs.com writes:

> Welcome to 2010!
>
> As a special incentive to come to Costume-Con 28, we are rolling back the
> membership rate to $70! But only for a few days! This rate will only be
> valid until the end of Monday, January 4th. You can find the form at
> http://www.cc28.org/memberships.php. Just write the phrase “This never happened to
> the other guy” on the form. You can make payment via PayPal to
> CC2010Milw@cs.com. Feel free to forward this to your friends!
>
> Henry W. Osier
> Chairman, Costume-Con 28
> May 7 to May 10, 2010 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin
> www.CC28.org
> Look for our fan page on Facebook!
> And on Twitter: CostumeCon28
> Got questions?
> Join the CostumeCon Yahoo group!
>
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 1974 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 1/3/2010
Subject: Re: OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT: Bid Received for Costume-Con 31
Where: Denver, CO (venue TBD)

Dates: May 17-20, 2013

Committee:
Con Chair: Michael Bruno
Treasurer: Katherine Williams

I’ll try to have this info up on the CC web sites, soon. Feel free to cross-post to other lists.

Site selection will take place at Costume-Con 28. You need to be at least a supporting member of the con to vote. (Henry, if you need anything else for the ballots, let me know.)

–Karen

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Group: runacc Message: 1975 From: Bruno Date: 1/12/2010
Subject: It’s Official
Denver bids for CC31

http://www.cc31denver.com

Michael

 

Group: runacc Message: 1976 From: Trudy Leonard Date: 1/13/2010
Subject: Re: It’s Official
Cool – and an excuse to visit the Denver Doll Emporium in person!

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: bruno@soulmasque.com
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:34:38 -0800
Subject: [runacc] It’s Official

Denver bids for CC31

http://www.cc31denver.com

Michael

_________________________________________________________________
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Group: runacc Message: 1977 From: Bruno Date: 1/13/2010
Subject: Re: It’s Official

I think I’ve heard some of the girls into BJD mention it. I’ll put it
on my list of places of interest.

Michael

Quoting Trudy Leonard <georgialei@hotmail.com>:

>
> Cool – and an excuse to visit the Denver Doll Emporium in person!
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1978 From: Nora Date: 1/17/2010
Subject: CC25 photos are up!
The CC25 photos are now up on the Costume-Connections site.

http://www.costume-con.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=2938

So go on out & look for yourself!

Nora

 

Group: runacc Message: 1979 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 1/18/2010
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT Re Costume-Con 30
Dear Friends and Costume-Con 30 members:

At the time I bid for Costume-Con 30, I made certain assumptions about the
state of my life and my ability to run the convention. Sadly, those
assumptions were not accurate, and over the last 9 months, my life has been
thrown into such disarray that I have no business chairing a convention, let
alone a “milestone year” convention such as Costume-Con 30.

For the good of the convention, and exercising my prerogative as the
Costume-Con Founder and Service Mark Holder, I have made the difficult
decision to hand over the running of Costume-Con 30 to different stewards.
Elaine Mami has agreed to chair the convention, with the backing of the
SouthWest Costumers Guild (SWCG) chapter of the ICG. The venue will move
from Pittburgh, PA to the Phoenix, AZ area. Theming may change, as the new
committee should have free rein to run their convention their way. This is
an experienced and competent committee, and I have no doubt that they will
run an excellent and fun-filled Costume-Con.

If you already have a membership for Costume Con 30, you need do nothing-it
will be honored. If you joined the convention between Costume-Con 27 and
this announcement and would like a refund, it will be cheerily given.

Hopefully, at 2+ years out from the con, disruption will be minimal. Thank
you for your patience during the transition.

–Karen Dick

Costume-Con Founder

 

Group: runacc Message: 1980 From: Elaine Mami Date: 1/19/2010
Subject: Our domain has been taken

Joyce,

Concerning our recent phone call, enclosed is a copy of our resgitration page and associated correspondence.

Our web site, sickpups.org, has been squatted by our webmaster, and we would like to get the domain name back from him. The site was designed by Betsy Delaney, who then moved on and transferred the position to Bill Frankenfield. He handled that site, as well as another, and did the job badly. We tried, without success, to get him to keep the site updated. Ultimately, we found someone else to be our webmaster, and asked him to turn the site over to us. He refused, emptied all of our information, and is using the site – with our name – to promote another organization.

We need your help to regain our site.

Thank you for your efforts,

Elaine Mami

Corresponding Secretary, NJ/NY Costumers’ Guild

A.K.A. The Sick Pups

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Domain ID:D94018826-LROR
Domain Name:SICKPUPS.ORG
Created On:15-Jan-2003 14:45:31 UTC
Last Updated On:06-Jan-2010 02:41:25 UTC
Expiration Date:15-Jan-2011 14:45:31 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:007 Names, Inc (R8-LROR)
Status:TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:DOT-TDDY9C4K45DA
Registrant Name:Elaine Mami
Registrant Organization:NJ/NY Costumers’ Guild
Registrant Street1:85 W. McClellan Avenue
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Livingston
Registrant State/Province:NJ
Registrant Postal Code:07039-1247
Registrant Country:US
Registrant Phone:+1.3013070222
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:+1.4137517320
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email:raven@ravenefx.com
Admin ID:DOT-795RM82TT73D
Admin Name:Elaine Mami
Admin Organization:NJ/NY Costumers’ Guild
Admin Street1:85 W. McClellan Avenue
Admin Street2:
Admin Street3:
Admin City:Livingston
Admin State/Province:NJ
Admin Postal Code:07039-1247
Admin Country:US
Admin Phone:+1.3013070222
Admin Phone Ext.:
Admin FAX:+1.4137517320
Admin FAX Ext.:
Admin Email:raven@ravenefx.com
Tech ID:DOT-0C62N3NMS7BH
Tech Name:Elaine Mami
Tech Organization:NJ/NY Costumers’ Guild
Tech Street1:85 W. McClellan Avenue
Tech Street2:
Tech Street3:
Tech City:Livingston
Tech State/Province:NJ
Tech Postal Code:07039-1247
Tech Country:US
Tech Phone:+1.3013070222
Tech Phone Ext.:
Tech FAX:+1.4137517320
Tech FAX Ext.:
Tech Email:raven@ravenefx.com
Name Server:NS.DMSCONSULTING.INFO
Name Server:NS1.DMSCONSULTING.INFO
Name Server:
Name Server:
Name

Here’s the last message I got from him. I’d print the whole discussion
stream out to be used as evidence when contacting 007Names.

So sorry about this…

Betsy

——– Original Message ——–
Subject: Re: recent events; Pups
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 19:40:59 -0500
From: bill frankenfield <raven@ravenefx.com>
Organization: raven design /Ram fx studios
To: <bdelaney@hawkeswood.com>

thank you so much for your support and advise….

I am pretty much done with the ICG and will make that perfectly clear.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Betsy Delaney” <aramintamd@gmail.com>
To: “bill frankenfield” <raven@ravenefx.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: recent events; Pups

> Bill:
>
> 1. Cybersquatting is *illegal*.
> http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/property00/domain/legislation.html
>
> No matter how wronged you might be, what you are doing by using the
> SickPups’ name for your own organization is WRONG.
>
> 2. When I set up the SouthPaws, it was an offshoot of the Sick Pups and
> was NOT intended as a replacement. The subchapter died because there were
> not enough people interested in seeing it continue. I’ve since moved on to
> the SiliconWeb.
>
> 3. The use of the name ICG without the organization’s sanction is also not
> legal. Considering the nastiness on the ICG-D list and the fact that your
> name has now been publicly linked to the SickPups.org domain means you are
> virtually guaranteed not to receive recognition.
>
> 4. Regardless of any beefs I may have had with Carl or Dora in the past, I
> would never EVER consider any illegal action as justifiable by virtue of
> that relationship.
>
> 5. The SickPupsNOT site to which you refer below contains quite a bit of
> my own code and the original text design at the top of the page. As the
> originating designer, I object to the characterization that the site was
> all your own work. I have retained my original designs in my files and
> will gladly produce them, should that be necessary in a legal action.
>
> I think you should consider quite carefully what you have done and choose
> to register your own separate domain. The Pups can choose to take legal
> action against you. As you can see by the link I provided above, you
> should ask yourself if it’s worth it.
>
> Regards,
>
> Betsy Marks Delaney
>
> bill frankenfield wrote:
>> Betsy I am going to vent, a lot! I trust that you can make a sensible
>> dialogue out of the following. plaes note that NO ONE from the Pups has
>> contacted me about this, nor offered any olive branch and this has been
>> ongoing since at eh very latest Septmeber,l when I spent my entire
>> vacation working on the CC29 site!
>>
>> I will not surrender the domain, the pups abaondoned it. They registered
>> http://sickpupsnot.org and have copied all of my work. for the years that
>> I ran the site I never recieved a bit of data nor assistance.
>>
>> The leadership has gone amuck. there is no hijacking of the site as
>> referances to the pups still exist.
>>
>> As a compromise I will set up a referral page for those who find a need
>> to contact the pups.
>> If the ICG cannot see what is happening here there is nothing that I can
>> do to avoid the reprocussions, the pups are out of hand and have done me
>> great injustice. and harm, mostly from Dora and Carl nI have several
>> emails that are linked to that site and I cannot give them up. I set up
>> CC29.org at their request recieved no data nor information but still I
>> was expected to Put up a website… without working with me, they
>> registered and set up several new domain names
>> They claimed they couldnot get in touch with me, odd how everyone else
>> can and does..nie?
>> listen you have been there, they leadership is all about control and if
>> any group should be coming under fire it should be the Pups, not me.
>>
>> If the ICG will not accept and approve the new “chapter” we can run along
>> fine without them. I have been sabotaged, blasphemed and maligned.
>> I never did anything in opposition to the pups or the ICG and now find
>> myself a villian.
>> basically the pups “blackballed” me without even an attempt to resolve
>> this.
>>
>>
>> some samples of my work can be found at
>> http://Ravendesigngroup.com
>> http://myspace.com/raven_fx
>> —– Original Message —– From: “Betsy Delaney” <aramintamd@gmail.com>
>> To: “bill frankenfield” <raven@ravenefx.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 8:25 AM
>> Subject: Re: recent events; Pups
>>
>>
>>> Hi, Bill:
>>>
>>> It’s come to light on the ICG-D list that the organization below has
>>> hijacked the Sick Pups’ domain.
>>>
>>> May I humbly suggest that you will hurt your organization’s chances of
>>> becoming a separate ICG-recognized organization by the actions discussed
>>> on the list.
>>>
>>> I would strongly suggest setting up your own domain and moving your
>>> website there, and then turning over responsibility for the Sick Pups
>>> site to someone else (after restoring their site).
>>>
>>> Regardless of whatever beef I have had with the Pups (and Carl Mami in
>>> particular) in the past, I would never commit cybersquatting as a means
>>> for revenge or anything else.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Betsy
>>>
>>> bill frankenfield wrote:
>>>> Hello Betsy! well I finally got burned by the pups!
>>>> Same issues as you had, no info and then they make it your propblem
>>>> when nothing getw updated….
>>>> You can’t believe the BS over the CC29 page they went rigfht behind my
>>>> back and made me out the villian. Anyway I am starting a new group
>>>> orientated more towards younger net savy cosplayers, streampunkers and
>>>> anime.
>>>> IWe have decided upon the name Cosplay Con-federates. I would love to
>>>> have you on board.
>>>> I know that this soiunds a lot like the South Paws thing but I really
>>>> feel a seperate group more internet focused and more involved with
>>>> Anime and cosplay in general is needed and although the silicone web is
>>>> viable it is mostley west coasdt oriented, the new group will focus on
>>>> the east coast, with committment from people in the Midwest and south
>>>> Fla already in.
>>>> anyway if you would like to call I could use to talk to someone who
>>>> “has been there”.
>>>> 973 460 2222
>>>> on other fronts how goes things with you?
>>>> thanks bill / Raven
>>>> some samples of my work can be found at
>>>> http://ravenefx.com
>>>> http://myspace.com/raven_fx
>>

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Group: runacc Message: 1981 From: Nora Date: 2/7/2010
Subject: CC28 FFF
Some of you know how this has been delayed but there’s good news:
The CC28 Future Fashion Folio is done!

That is – the layout is done but it will be a week or more until it is printed & mailed, then you must wait for the postal service to deliver it.

So I have a special offer for all CC28 members who would be happy to have an electronic copy NOW to avoid the wait; I can send you a zip file of the entire Folio.

Please respond to me at “von <underscore> drago <at> yahoo <dot> com”
• include an email at which you can receive a large file
• let me know if you are willing to wait until the convention to pick up your hardcopy or if you need it sent to you after they are printed & ready to be mailed

Thanks!
Nora

 

Group: runacc Message: 1982 From: Elaine Mami Date: 2/7/2010
Subject: new members
Betsy,

Please add a couple of my new concom for CC30.

Frances Burns frances.burns@honeywell.com

Jean Palmer bjeanpalmer@msn.com

Marg Grady marg1066@gmail.com

Thanks so much,

Elaine

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Group: runacc Message: 1983 From: Michael Date: 4/1/2010
Subject: Dealers & Exhibits
Any opinions on putting Dealers & Exhibits in the same room.

Thanks.

Michael

 

Group: runacc Message: 1984 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 4/1/2010
Subject: Re: Dealers & Exhibits
we did it at cc-5, and it kept a nice constant flow thru there that the dealers liked

Gravely MacCabre
http://www.castleblood.com
http://www.midnightmonsterhop.com
http://www.myspace.com/thecastleblood
http://www.myspace.com/midnightmonsterhop
clip samples at
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________________________________
From: Michael <bruno@soulmasque.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, April 1, 2010 12:22:21 AM
Subject: [runacc] Dealers & Exhibits

Any opinions on putting Dealers & Exhibits in the same room.

Thanks.

Michael

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Group: runacc Message: 1985 From: Bruno Date: 4/1/2010
Subject: Re: Dealers & Exhibits

I don’t think I’ve seen it done at CC. But, it was like that for the
two WorldCons I’ve been to. I may have to deal with some really large
spaces and those are the two biggest spaces next to greenroom and main
events.

Michael

Quoting Gravely MacCabre <gravelymac@yahoo.com>:

> we did it at cc-5, and it kept a nice constant flow thru there that
> the dealers liked
>
> Gravely MacCabre

 

Group: runacc Message: 1986 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 4/1/2010
Subject: Re: Dealers & Exhibits

we did an inner ring/row for the displays, with two rows, back to back
and the dealers around the perimeter, which gave them all wall space that they liked.

Gravely MacCabre
http://www.castleblood.com
http://www.midnightmonsterhop.com
http://www.myspace.com/thecastleblood
http://www.myspace.com/midnightmonsterhop
clip samples at
http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood

________________________________
From: Bruno <bruno@soulmasque.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, April 1, 2010 1:12:54 AM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Dealers & Exhibits

I don’t think I’ve seen it done at CC. But, it was like that for the
two WorldCons I’ve been to. I may have to deal with some really large
spaces and those are the two biggest spaces next to greenroom and main
events.

Michael

Quoting Gravely MacCabre <gravelymac@yahoo. com>:

> we did it at cc-5, and it kept a nice constant flow thru there that
> the dealers liked
>
> Gravely MacCabre

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Group: runacc Message: 1987 From: Charles Galway Date: 4/1/2010
Subject: Re: Dealers & Exhibits

It seems I saw something like that at Hartford Connecticut (CC-18?). I thought it worked out well enough. I think they had things layed out in a rather informal style, which worked with the pillars they had to work around.

Charles (CC-23 Utah)

—– Original Message —–
From: Michael
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 10:22 PM
Subject: [runacc] Dealers & Exhibits

Any opinions on putting Dealers & Exhibits in the same room.

Thanks.

Michael

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Group: runacc Message: 1988 From: Bruno Date: 4/1/2010
Subject: Re: Dealers & Exhibits

I missed 18.

Michael

Quoting Charles Galway <cgalway@xmission.com>:

>
> It seems I saw something like that at Hartford Connecticut (CC-18?).
> I thought it worked out well enough. I think they had things layed
> out in a rather informal style, which worked with the pillars they
> had to work around.
>
> Charles (CC-23 Utah)

 

Group: runacc Message: 1989 From: Les Roth Date: 4/1/2010
Subject: Re: Dealers & Exhibits

Michael,

We did it at CC-24. The room was large enough to the dealers at one end and the exhibits at the other.

Les Rotjh

Live, never to be ashamed if everything you do is published around the
world. Even if what is published is not true. — Richard Bach

On Mar 31, 2010, at 11:22 PM, Michael wrote:

> Any opinions on putting Dealers & Exhibits in the same room.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Michael
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 1990 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 4/1/2010
Subject: Re: Dealers & Exhibits
CC9 was also done that way.

Since I was running a dealer table at the time and was also Exhibit
coordinator, it was relatively easy to do both jobs. This included a
change-over from Saturday to Sunday. Friday/Saturday was fantasy themed
costumes and Snow Queens through the Ages. Sunday was historical
costumes and a Jenny Ketcham retrospective.

The doll display was also in the room with us, but I didn’t manage that.

Betsy



Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

Group: runacc Message: 1991 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 4/1/2010
Subject: Re: Dealers & Exhibits

CC 11 did that. It worked okay.
The only problem is traffice flow, if you’re trying to take pictures it can be an issue.

Nora

— On Wed, 3/31/10, Michael <bruno@soulmasque.com> wrote:

From: Michael <bruno@soulmasque.com>
Subject: [runacc] Dealers & Exhibits
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 11:22 PM

Any opinions on putting Dealers & Exhibits in the same room.

Thanks.

Michael

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Group: runacc Message: 1992 From: Elaine Mami Date: 4/1/2010
Subject: Re: Dealers & Exhibits
If the room is large enough, it could work. I have seen it done. However, unless they are separated somehow, it could get crowded. When folks with cameras back up for a shot and bump into shoppers, traffic jams occur.

Elaine

Chaise, CC30

Any opinions on putting Dealers & Exhibits in the same room.

Thanks.

Michael

Re

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Group: runacc Message: 1993 From: Elaine Mami Date: 4/1/2010
Subject: Join this list

I really want you both to be part of the RunACC list, hosted by Betsy Delaney. There’s lots of good information there, and people with lots of experience to answer most of our questions.

Elaine

Chaise, CC30

> Subject: RE: Wyndham Phoenix/Costume-Con
> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 08:40:00 -0700
> From: frances.burns@honeywell.com
> To: marg1066@gmail.com; ecmami@hotmail.com
>
> Speaking of budget, has Kim gotten back to you? Because it is time to look for a different Treasurer if she hasn’t.
>
> Frances Burns (PI PA&C)
>
> 602-436-0983
>
>
> —–Original Message—–
> From: Marg Grady [mailto:marg1066@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 8:39 PM
> To: Elaine Mami
> Cc: Burns, Frances (PI PA&C)
> Subject: Re: Wyndham Phoenix/Costume-Con
>
> Just so you have it, here’s a copy of my preliminary budget.
> Of course money can be re-allocated as we see fit.
> It is based off of the budget info I received from CC25 (which is, to my knowledge, the only actual budget info I’ve gotten).
>
> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Elaine Mami <ecmami@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > That has a familiar sound to it. I should have joined site selection
> > committees for Lunacon back in the day 🙁
> >
> > Elaine
> >
> >
> >
> >> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:09:30 -0700
> >> Subject: Re: Wyndham Phoenix/Costume-Con
> >> From: marg1066@gmail.com
> >> To: frances.burns@honeywell.com
> >> CC: ecmami@hotmail.com
> >>
> >> Well, my *very preliminary* working budget currently allocates $3000
> >> for all space.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Burns, Frances (PI PA&C)
> >> <frances.burns@honeywell.com> wrote:
> >> > Do you have any idea on what we can spend on function space?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > My very rough guess goes something like this 250x$50=$1250/2 =
> >> > $6250 to $10000 preferably on the lower side
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Frances Burns (PI PA&C)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > 602-436-0983
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > From: Elaine Mami [mailto:ecmami@hotmail.com]
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 9:18 AM
> >> > To: Marg; Burns, Frances (PI PA&C)
> >> > Subject: RE: Wyndham Phoenix/Costume-Con
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Looks like a decent beginning. The whole thing is about
> >> > negotiation. I am rotten at that!
> >> >
> >> > Keep up the effort! Thanks,
> >> >
> >> > Elaine
> >> > who has had way too much matzo already 🙁
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 08:51:43 -0700
> >> >> Subject: Re: FW: Wyndham Phoenix/Costume-Con
> >> >> From: marg1066@gmail.com
> >> >> To: frances.burns@honeywell.com
> >> >> CC: ecmami@hotmail.com
> >> >>
> >> >> It’ll be interesting to see how much the function space comes down
> >> >> with their sliding scale based on room nights… otherwise, ouch!
> >> >> Frances, could you find out what non-overnight parking costs? (I
> >> >> see that overnight is $23/day.)
> >> >>
> >> >> I’ve gone back to TMPalms to say, okay, lower the rates and adjust
> >> >> with charging for function space… we’ll see what she comes back
> >> >> with.
> >> >>
> >> >> As these proposals from the hotels firm up, we’ll need to be
> >> >> adding info to the spreadsheet (Google Doc) so that we have the
> >> >> ability to easily compare.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 7:16 AM, Burns, Frances (PI PA&C)
> >> >> <frances.burns@honeywell.com> wrote:
> >> >> > This is the proposal from the only down town hotel that would
> >> >> > give us one the others either were way out of the room range 190
> >> >> > to 235 or did not think they could fit us in because of the low
> >> >> > number of room nights.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > —–Original Message—–
> >> >> > From: francesb@sedona.net [mailto:francesb@sedona.net]
> >> >> > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 4:12 PM
> >> >> > To: Burns, Frances (PI PA&C)
> >> >> > Subject: FW: Wyndham Phoenix/Costume-Con
> >> >> >
> >> >> > —- Original Message —-
> >> >> > From: thoffman@phxhotel.com
> >> >> > To: Francesb@sedona.net
> >> >> > Subject: Wyndham Phoenix/Costume-Con
> >> >> > Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 13:17:48 -0700
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Hi Frances:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Thank you for the opportunity to bid on your 2012 convention. I
> >> >> > have attached a proposal for your review. As it relates to the
> >> >> > meeting space, it would be really helpful if I could get a day
> >> >> > to day breakdown with times as to which space you will need. I
> >> >> > would like to put together a sliding scale for meeting room
> >> >> > rental based on your guest room pick-up. If you can provide
> >> >> > this I can rework the rental numbers.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The Wyndham would be a great location for your group. We are
> >> >> > conveniently located in downtown Phoenix just 4 miles from the
> >> >> > airport ($10.00 shuttle,
> >> >> > $1.75 lightrail.) We are within walking distance of a variety
> >> >> > of restaurants, theaters, museums, sporting events and evening
> >> >> > entertainment.
> >> >> > If you would like more information on downtown Phoenix please
> >> >> > visit www.downtownphoenix.com <http://www.downtownphoenix.com/> .
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Frances, please let me know what further information you will
> >> >> > need at this time. I look forward to your response. Terri
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Terri Hoffman
> >> >> >
> >> >> > National Sales Manager
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Wyndham Phoenix
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 50 East Adams Street
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Phoenix, Arizona 85004
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Phone: (602) 333-5119
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Fax: (602) 333-5181
> >> >> >
> >> >> > E-mail: Thoffman@phxhotel.com
> >> >> >
> >> >> > www.wyndhamphx.com
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >
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Group: runacc Message: 1994 From: Elaine Mami Date: 4/1/2010
Subject: oops!
Sorry. Didn’t mean to send that entire thread. I’m still on my first cuppa.

Elaine

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Group: runacc Message: 1995 From: Marg Grady Date: 4/1/2010
Subject: Re: Join this list

I joined the list a month or two ago, when you first suggested it.
However, there’s only been the one message (yesterday) that I’ve seen
so far.

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:48 AM, Elaine Mami <ecmami@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I really want you both to be part of the RunACC list, hosted by Betsy
> Delaney.  There’s lots of good information there, and people with lots of
> experience to answer most of our questions.
>
> Elaine
> Chaise, CC30
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1996 From: Martin Gear Date: 4/1/2010
Subject: Re: Dealers & Exhibits

Michael –
We did that for both Costume Con 3 and Costume Con 9. If you have
sufficient room and put your dealers around the perimeter and the
exhibits in the center and leave sufficient room for wide aisles, it can
work quite well. You will still probably want to hav a couple of people
inside the exhibit area just to keep an eye on things.

Marty

Michael wrote:

>
> Any opinions on putting Dealers & Exhibits in the same room.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Michael
>
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Group: runacc Message: 1997 From: Bruno Date: 4/1/2010
Subject: Re: Dealers & Exhibits
Thanks for all the input. I was at CC24 and have no recollection of
the dealers room. The areas will be supervised.

Michael

 

Group: runacc Message: 1998 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 4/1/2010
Subject: Re: Dealers & Exhibits

In a message dated 4/1/2010 12:13:51 AM Central Daylight Time,
bruno@soulmasque.com writes:

> I don’t think I’ve seen it done at CC.
>
>
>

They did it at CC24 in Des Moines. Along with Fan Tables.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1999 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 4/3/2010
Subject: Info for future CCs
At CC25 we collected a list of attendees who wanted to receive information
on Future CCs which we then passed on to the seated committees at the time
(CC26, CC27 & CC28).
I know I have a copy of it stored on a disk with other CC25 info but what
did those committees do with it?
Have they added any to it? Will it get forwarded to CC29, CC30, etc.?

Nora

 

Group: runacc Message: 2000 From: Elaine Mami Date: 4/3/2010
Subject: Re: Info for future CCs
I don’t know if they used on passed on that info at all, but I would love to have a copy, which we will definitely pass along.

Elaine

Nil significat nisi oscillat!

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: casamai@sbcglobal.net
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 17:31:25 -0500
Subject: [runacc] Info for future CCs

At CC25 we collected a list of attendees who wanted to receive information
on Future CCs which we then passed on to the seated committees at the time
(CC26, CC27 & CC28).
I know I have a copy of it stored on a disk with other CC25 info but what
did those committees do with it?
Have they added any to it? Will it get forwarded to CC29, CC30, etc.?

Nora

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Group: runacc Message: 1901 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/11/2009
Subject: Re: single pattern
Group: runacc Message: 1902 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/11/2009
Subject: Re: single pattern during the Social (sound and lighting)
Group: runacc Message: 1903 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: URGENT NEWS FROM CC28!
Group: runacc Message: 1904 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: CC27 review on the way
Group: runacc Message: 1905 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/17/2009
Subject: CC27 Review – before the con
Group: runacc Message: 1906 From: cgalway@xmission.com Date: 5/17/2009
Subject: Re: CC27 Review – before the con
Group: runacc Message: 1907 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/18/2009
Subject: Re: single pattern during the Social
Group: runacc Message: 1908 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/18/2009
Subject: CC27 Review – The Hotel
Group: runacc Message: 1909 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/18/2009
Subject: Re: single pattern during the Social
Group: runacc Message: 1910 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/18/2009
Subject: CC27 – Short Observations
Group: runacc Message: 1911 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: CC27 – Publications
Group: runacc Message: 1912 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: CC27 Review – Programming
Group: runacc Message: 1913 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/24/2009
Subject: CC27 Review – Friday
Group: runacc Message: 1914 From: Byron Connell Date: 5/24/2009
Subject: Re: CC27 Review – Friday
Group: runacc Message: 1915 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Re: CC27 Review – Friday
Group: runacc Message: 1916 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: CC27 Review – Friday
Group: runacc Message: 1917 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: CC27 – Saturday
Group: runacc Message: 1918 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: CC27 Review – Sunday
Group: runacc Message: 1919 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: CC27 Review – Monday and final comments
Group: runacc Message: 1920 From: H W Osier Date: 6/4/2009
Subject: Masquerade Only Viewers
Group: runacc Message: 1921 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 6/4/2009
Subject: Re: Masquerade Only Viewers
Group: runacc Message: 1922 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/4/2009
Subject: Re: Masquerade Only Viewers
Group: runacc Message: 1923 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/4/2009
Subject: Re: Masquerade Only Viewers
Group: runacc Message: 1924 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/4/2009
Subject: Re: Masquerade Only Viewers
Group: runacc Message: 1925 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/4/2009
Subject: Re: Masquerade Only Viewers
Group: runacc Message: 1926 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 6/5/2009
Subject: Re: Masquerade Only Viewers
Group: runacc Message: 1927 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 6/5/2009
Subject: Re: Masquerade Only Viewers
Group: runacc Message: 1928 From: von_drago Date: 6/6/2009
Subject: Re: Masquerade Only Viewers
Group: runacc Message: 1929 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/6/2009
Subject: Re: Masquerade Only Viewers
Group: runacc Message: 1930 From: von_drago Date: 6/16/2009
Subject: Hall Awards
Group: runacc Message: 1931 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/16/2009
Subject: Re: Hall Awards
Group: runacc Message: 1932 From: von_drago Date: 6/16/2009
Subject: Re: Hall Awards
Group: runacc Message: 1933 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/16/2009
Subject: Re: Hall Awards
Group: runacc Message: 1934 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 6/16/2009
Subject: Re: Hall Awards
Group: runacc Message: 1935 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/16/2009
Subject: Re: Hall Awards
Group: runacc Message: 1936 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 6/16/2009
Subject: Re: Hall Awards… CC26 amounts and costs
Group: runacc Message: 1937 From: von_drago Date: 6/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hall Awards
Group: runacc Message: 1938 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hall Awards
Group: runacc Message: 1939 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hall Awards
Group: runacc Message: 1940 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hall Awards
Group: runacc Message: 1941 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 6/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hall Awards
Group: runacc Message: 1942 From: von_drago Date: 6/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hall Awards
Group: runacc Message: 1943 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/25/2009
Subject: Re: Hall Awards
Group: runacc Message: 1944 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair Date: 6/27/2009
Subject: Re: Hall Awards
Group: runacc Message: 1945 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 7/12/2009
Subject: Re: Bidding Open for Costume-Con 31 (2013)
Group: runacc Message: 1946 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 7/22/2009
Subject: CC28 Update: Future Fashion Folio Rules Posted!
Group: runacc Message: 1947 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 7/24/2009
Subject: [Fwd: [ICG-D] Re: comment on the CC-28 web site]
Group: runacc Message: 1948 From: dandyhank Date: 9/1/2009
Subject: Costume-Con 28 membership rates
Group: runacc Message: 1949 From: Bruno Date: 11/5/2009
Subject: CC statistics
Group: runacc Message: 1950 From: Bruno Date: 11/5/2009
Subject: CC site selection

 


 

Group: runacc Message: 1901 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/11/2009
Subject: Re: single pattern
My idea for the SPC judging was to have an area a bit off the Social Area
for the judging. But that is really up to Karen Heim, who is charge of that
event.

I am logging into Yahoo and am attempting to upload the CC28 Hotel Layouts.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1902 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/11/2009
Subject: Re: single pattern during the Social (sound and lighting)

In a message dated 5/10/2009 9:36:31 AM Central Daylight Time,
connell-t1@verizon.net writes:

> We’ve attended quite a few Socials over the years, and quite frankly,
> there were several from which we fled within minutes because we were driven
> (forcibly) from the room by overly-amplified “music” (for which, read
> “noise”).
>
>

Tina and all,
Rest assured that at CC28 the music for the social will be at just
the right volume and not dimly lit.
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1903 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: URGENT NEWS FROM CC28!
You can now make your reservations for CC28!
The phone number is (414) 271-7250.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1904 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/15/2009
Subject: CC27 review on the way
I’ve started releasing it to the SLCG list for review. Might start posting
it by the end of the weekend.

Bruce

 

Group: runacc Message: 1905 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/17/2009
Subject: CC27 Review – before the con
(The following is mostly the rough draft I posted to the SLCG list. I fully
expect folks on the inside will have corrections to some of the perceptions
posted here, and I’ll update the document when I edit it down for the D list
and elsewhere.)

Time once again for the (sort of) annual Costume-Con review from your
favorite bunch of knuckleheads (and I don’t mean Klingons), the St. Louis
Ubiquitous Tailoring Society, with input from a few other friends. It
should be noted that this is essentially a “Midwestern” take on things since
that’s where almost all our folks are located. This review does not reflect
any one person’s opinion: rather, it was formed from opinions of over a
dozen people.

First, let’s preface this by saying that some of the problems encountered
last year were corrected. Overall, we had a pretty good time. So what
you’ll be reading is the “Warts and all” version, where we did a lot of
nitpicking. This version is more a report than a critique – quite a bit of
it falls under “Stuff happens”. You can pretty much pick out what seem to
be the chronic problems. Many of them can be avoided in the future, if CC
concoms choose to read this. Really, there are only 3 or so issues that
need to be addressed to make Costume-Con even more enjoyable for new folks
and veterans alike.

Let’s start with stuff before the con even started. Getting updates on the
convention proved frustrating. While the official website rarely had any
updates published until just shortly before the event, news and information
was being spread via several different venues – but the info was never the
same, nor complete, on any particular one. In fact, there appeared to be
more info disseminated on the Cosplay.com forum (in an attempt to bring more
cosplayers in) than the major forum for most CC attendees – the ICG-D list.

There was no PR sent out shortly before the convention with a map for
directions. Rumor has it that some staff believed that “nobody reads that
stuff”. Ummmm – we do! Some say that the directions could be found
online, but that ignored a significant percentage of people who view
computers as a necessary evil and otherwise do not use them. Con attendees
should not be expected to do that work themselves.

We have at least one report of a lack of follow through with mailing address
problems regarding the Future Fashion Folio – we don’t know if this was an
isolated incident or more widespread.

One of our biggest beefs before the con was the “organization” of off-site
tours and Monday programming – or lack thereof. Originally, Staff implied
there would be no Monday programming, and almost all tours would take place
before the convention. When people on the CC27 email list began questioning
these decisions, they were reassured that there would, indeed, be things to
do but that info was only announced shortly before the con.

As it transpired, there was only one or two organized tours on Monday, and
three panels at the con. There were also no general interest (read:
non-costuming) vacation-like activities planned so people could to get out
of the hotel. And while the Con Suite was open Monday, there was no real
“Dead Dog Party”. Some felt this was practically a “bait and switch” to
bump up room nights.

We understand that the staff did not have complete control over some of
this, due to some people not living up to their commitments before the
convention. However, the excuse that “we’re all volunteers here” did not
sit well. This is a “hot button issue” with us. A convention, while run by
volunteers, is a business venture, and therefore, there is still a certain
level of responsibility. Rather than making that excuse, all that needed
to be said was, “we’re sorry for what has happened, and will work to make
sure things work more smoothly in the future”. People will understand that.

 

Group: runacc Message: 1906 From: cgalway@xmission.com Date: 5/17/2009
Subject: Re: CC27 Review – before the con

Quoting Bruce & Nora Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>:

> (
> One of our biggest beefs before the con was the “organization” of off-site
> tours and Monday programming – or lack thereof. Originally, Staff implied
> there would be no Monday programming, and almost all tours would take place
> before the convention. When people on the CC27 email list began questioning
> these decisions, they were reassured that there would, indeed, be things to
> do but that info was only announced shortly before the con.
>
>

Speaking from my own experience (CC-23, Ogden Utah, 2003) — we did a
fair amount of research for local tours, did some information posting
of things we thought folks could get to on their own. But didn’t feel
there was a lot of interest for other Monday general interest tours.

But what I also recall, was it was one more activity to organize, we
were understaffed, and it was something that seemed secondary to the
the convention proper. (i.e., if something had to be dropped, that
was something that could be dropped).

What I’m trying to convey here, is the sense that we did do a fair
amount of thought and research, but it seemed to be a bit of
logistical challenge to put such tours together, and collecting the
interested parties (and folks might not know if they are interested
until Monday morning).

Just an opinion from here.

Charles Galway
co-chair CC-23

 

Group: runacc Message: 1907 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/18/2009
Subject: Re: single pattern during the Social

In a message dated 5/9/2009 11:50:20 PM Central Daylight Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> The social for CC22 worked well because the theme incorporated
> a peri-oid band and people mingled just as they would at a speakeasy.

Correction. I believe you are thinking of the jazz band at CC21.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1908 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/18/2009
Subject: CC27 Review – The Hotel
As far as a venue for Costume-Con is concerned, the Crowne Plaza was a
pretty good choice. It would have really rocked if there were balconies off
the rooms, or at least allowed for the windows to open. As it was, in our
particular case, our room was on the second floor, close to the front of the
hotel, so we could always see what was going on the floor. Fortunately, the
windows were pretty well insulated so that crowd noise was minimal.
Another thing we really liked was the abundance of big, cushy overstuffed
chairs with nearby tables in the common area, allowing people to hang out,
socialize and watch costumers walk by all weekend in a comfortable
environment. The stage in the atrium area worked pretty well.

Oddly, lower floors may have had “blackout” (opaque) curtains while the
upper floors may not have had them. Other odd things: an over abundance of
pillows on the bed, housekeeping staff not providing enough toilet paper in
a timely fashion, some people reported not getting enough towels and the
lack of towel racks in at least some guest rooms. (On that last bit, the
funny thing was, you were supposed to hang your towel on the rack if you
didn’t want them to be replaced .)

Opinions on the hotel restaurant and bar were all over the map. The most
consistent complaint was about the lack of service. We heard that they had
to fire one of staff, but it doesn’t excuse the fact that there didn’t seem
to be any attempt to bring in extra help to fill in the gap. To the
manager’s credit, he wrote off more than one meal because of this, but still
must take responsibility for no resolution to the problems. Kudos to the
hotel for the concession stand in the coat room. It was welcome, less
expensive alternative to the restaurant, although their hours didn’t always
coincide with the convention.

The second most frequent complaint about the restaurant was the food
quality. Some people said that it was substandard, but others had no
problem. This might have been a factor of repetition – the more times
someone chose to eat in, the more often they apparently encountered problems
with the quality of the meal (and service).

We also got a few complaints about the bar. There were one of two comments
about at least one of the bartenders being a bit surly and that they ran out
of some ingredients for specialty drinks.

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Group: runacc Message: 1909 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/18/2009
Subject: Re: single pattern during the Social

D’oh. I’m always getting my number mixed up.

Bruce

> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> osierhenry@cs.com
> Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 7:35 PM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [runacc] single pattern during the Social
>
> In a message dated 5/9/2009 11:50:20 PM Central Daylight Time,
> casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:
> > The social for CC22 worked well because the theme incorporated
> > a peri-oid band and people mingled just as they would at a speakeasy.
> Correction. I believe you are thinking of the jazz band at CC21.
>
> Henry
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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Group: runacc Message: 1910 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/18/2009
Subject: CC27 – Short Observations
Registration – usually the first point of contact and first impressions –
gets passing marks. All but one person appeared competent, friendly,
efficient and helpful. They accommodated transfers of membership with no
issue. The default badge identification printed was the first name only?
That made it harder to figure out if you wanted to know who someone was. It
was up to you to either request a change or to write in your last name or
“nickname”/online ID. We thought this would have been taken care of if one
had registered online. Having laptops near Registration for signing up for
the masquerades and other purposes worked well. We were puzzled with the
way the badges, themselves, were attached – the small safety pin inserted
through the clip made it almost impossible to use and difficult to remove.
Those of us with CC25 badge holders just shoved them in the window.

Maybe it’s a sign of the economic times, or maybe it’s just something no one
is giving any thought to, but this was the second year in a row where there
was no “goodie” bag – just the scant program, and pocket program. Is it
that difficult to hit up some fabric stores and other costumer-friendly
businesses for coupons and free swag?

The Dealers Room – We wondered why the two smaller ones were not combined,
because they shared what appeared to be a folding wall. Maybe we’re
wrong, but there seemed to be a perception that there was always more
traffic in the largest room, which would appear to mean the dealers in the
other two rooms did not get as much.

Hospitality – The room was small, but since it was directly off the Atrium,
it worked well. It was always well-stocked with light snacks, although it
would have been nice to have some form of inexpensive protein. We did spot
pizza and pizza rolls one night, but nothing the rest of the weekend. The
Suite had some interesting sponsors . Thank goodness it was open at least
part of the time on Monday night.

Other stuff that bugged various people:

The Dealers Room(s) closed on Sunday night(?).

Exhibits were uninspiring. Any exhibits that appeared later in the weekend
were not noted. Even though the doll contest display was small, it was not
well arranged.

It took a while for any kind of con flyer table to appear. It wasn’t until
“Filthy Pierre” set up his very nice flyer organizers that there was a spot
for these publications, but even then, they were stuck away in a corner of
the main hallway where most of the function space was.

The Photo Op backdrop for taking pictures of hall costumes, wasn’t very
well placed. Traffic was constantly walking directly into their shots.
Why couldn’t this have been set out in the atrium?

The theory is there were one or two parties going on during the weekend –
they were announced on some forums and lists, but we didn’t see any sort of
sign about it at the con on the “Tower of Knowledge” or anywhere else.
Maybe we missed it. In any case, if it was open to everyone, it didn’t end
up that way.

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Group: runacc Message: 1911 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: CC27 – Publications
(This probably should have been with Registration)

Some panels were left off the pocket program schedule. The only way one
might find out about them was to consult the Tower. The reason for this
oversight was supposedly a computer crash, but we heard this had happened
some time before the convention, yet no one made the effort to revise it and
make new copies.

The Program Book was scant and apparently not spell-checked, but it was the
only place to get a full list of the panels missing from the pocket
program.

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Group: runacc Message: 1912 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/21/2009
Subject: CC27 Review – Programming
From a scheduling standpoint, what panels are in what rooms is somewhat at
the mercy of decisions by others, but we noticed that panel rooms at CC27
were not well utilized at times. Workshops that were only open to, maybe,
a dozen people were held in huge rooms, while very well attended panels
where no workspaces were required were sometimes crammed into small rooms.
Also, the Ridgelys were under-utilized, in our opinion.

Note to future programming and masquerade directors: if you’re going to tape
off an area for masquerade contestants to rehearse their presentations, it
shouldn’t be laid out it in a room that’s constantly used all day for
panels.

While both CC26 & 27 borrowed the concept of the programming kiosk from
CC25, neither executed them very well. The “Tower of Knowledge” amounted to
a three-sided, free-standing pressboard kiosk with magnified Word documents
of the schedules for each day stapled or taped to it. While the schedules
were very legible, the organization left something to be desired. We found
it counter-intuitive to search for a panel by the room, rather than checking
a grid and finding the time it was supposed to take place.

The panels themselves were pretty standard, with exception of the special
workshops. Because of their limited seating nature, it’s hard to gauge
popularity, but most of them were full. On the whole, the panels seemed
to satisfy a majority of people, but more than one person observed that the
titles of some panels were vague and their purposes misconstrued. Given
that one had to consult the “Tower of Knowledge”, some panels were skipped.
A specific example: “Lighting Props and Costumes”. Only after reading the
Program would it be understood that it was a panel on EL wire, not a
stagecraft.

It’s taken for granted that “meetups” are very informal affairs, but there
was hardly any information about the few that managed to come off. The
website had very little detail – presumably, people were expected to post a
sign on the Tower.

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Group: runacc Message: 1913 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/24/2009
Subject: CC27 Review – Friday
The offsite High Tea activity was apparently popular and well attended
because it appealed to certain historical costumers (and the meetup
organizer), who were frequently seen in groups over the weekend . This
appeared to be the only meetup that got any organizational attention –
there didn’t appear to be any effort on the part of the person in charge of
meetups to help other people connect with each other..

The Single Pattern Contest/Show had a very strong showing, with as many as
30 contestants. The McCall’s “Misses Renaissance Dress” pattern entries
outnumbered the Drovers Coats by a factor of 2 – 1. Separating the show
from the Future Fashion Show was a very good idea, but we think it should be
incorporated into the Friday Night Social in way. The “Green Room” was
entirely too small, many people wound up standing in the hall. The
informal nature of the show worked well, but the room for it was a little
too small. Having contestants show up 2 hours in advance of the show was
completely unnecessary. Since there was no rehearsal, 1 hour would have
been plenty.

Most of the glaring errors with the show organization concerned
communication and the appearance of being less important than the other
shows. Rather than being the only event of the evening, followed by the
Friday Night Social, they were held concurrently. As near as we can tell,
no formal announcement was made during the Social that the SP was about to
start, word that the judges had finished deliberating was carried to
audience and contestants by word of mouth, and no formal acknowledgement was
made of the winners afterwards.

Word is that there was a technical problem that did not allow video to be
shot of this event. Unfortunately, there was no official photography of the
event, which gave the appearance to some that the show was of lesser
importance. Fortunately, Eric Cannon shot footage, and there are fans,
including a SLUT or two, who did shoot some stills.

The “Vamps, Villains, and Vixens” theme didn’t appear to have much appeal,
if you go by what people wore to the Social. The Social itself wasn’t
outstanding, but it wasn’t awful, either. There was someone with a
microphone over on one side of the atrium making up games and handing out
silly awards to participate in, but the majority of people were more
interested in talking to fellow costumers.

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Group: runacc Message: 1914 From: Byron Connell Date: 5/24/2009
Subject: Re: CC27 Review – Friday

I have to break ranks with my fellow SLUTs’ statement that “we think it should be incorporated in the Friday Night Social.” In my opinion, scheduling the Single Pattern Contest on Friday was a good idea, and I would encourage other concoms to consider doing so, However, in my opinion the contest must be separated from the Friday Night Social if it is to be a success. In fact, the problem at CC 27 is that the contest was not separated sufficiently from the Social. The Friday Night Social is an opportunity for costumers to schmooze; attempts to interrupt it with a stage event will prove unsuccessful. In keeping the Single Pattern Contest on Friday, if a concom wants the Contest to be well attended, it should make it clear that the Social begins after the contest, NOT against it.

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: Bruce & Nora Mai<mailto:casamai@sbcglobal.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 3:23 PM
Subject: [runacc] CC27 Review – Friday

The offsite High Tea activity was apparently popular and well attended
because it appealed to certain historical costumers (and the meetup
organizer), who were frequently seen in groups over the weekend . This
appeared to be the only meetup that got any organizational attention –
there didn’t appear to be any effort on the part of the person in charge of
meetups to help other people connect with each other..

The Single Pattern Contest/Show had a very strong showing, with as many as
30 contestants. The McCall’s “Misses Renaissance Dress” pattern entries
outnumbered the Drovers Coats by a factor of 2 – 1. Separating the show
from the Future Fashion Show was a very good idea, but we think it should be
incorporated into the Friday Night Social in way. The “Green Room” was
entirely too small, many people wound up standing in the hall. The
informal nature of the show worked well, but the room for it was a little
too small. Having contestants show up 2 hours in advance of the show was
completely unnecessary. Since there was no rehearsal, 1 hour would have
been plenty.

Most of the glaring errors with the show organization concerned
communication and the appearance of being less important than the other
shows. Rather than being the only event of the evening, followed by the
Friday Night Social, they were held concurrently. As near as we can tell,
no formal announcement was made during the Social that the SP was about to
start, word that the judges had finished deliberating was carried to
audience and contestants by word of mouth, and no formal acknowledgement was
made of the winners afterwards.

Word is that there was a technical problem that did not allow video to be
shot of this event. Unfortunately, there was no official photography of the
event, which gave the appearance to some that the show was of lesser
importance. Fortunately, Eric Cannon shot footage, and there are fans,
including a SLUT or two, who did shoot some stills.

The “Vamps, Villains, and Vixens” theme didn’t appear to have much appeal,
if you go by what people wore to the Social. The Social itself wasn’t
outstanding, but it wasn’t awful, either. There was someone with a
microphone over on one side of the atrium making up games and handing out
silly awards to participate in, but the majority of people were more
interested in talking to fellow costumers.

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Group: runacc Message: 1915 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 5/25/2009
Subject: Re: CC27 Review – Friday

At 09:07 PM 5/24/2009, you wrote:

>I have to break ranks with my fellow SLUTs’ statement that “we think
>it should be incorporated in the Friday Night Social.” In my
>opinion, scheduling the Single Pattern Contest on Friday was a good
>idea, and I would encourage other concoms to consider doing so,
>However, in my opinion the contest must be separated from the Friday
>Night Social if it is to be a success. In fact, the problem at CC 27
>is that the contest was not separated sufficiently from the Social.
>The Friday Night Social is an opportunity for costumers to schmooze;
>attempts to interrupt it with a stage event will prove unsuccessful.
>In keeping the Single Pattern Contest on Friday, if a concom wants
>the Contest to be well attended, it should make it clear that the
>Social begins after the contest, NOT against it.
>
>Byron

We agree with Byron. We loved moving the Single Pattern to Friday
evening, but the Social should have officially begun after the SP concluded.

Pierre and Sandy

>—– Original Message —–
>From: Bruce & Nora Mai<mailto:casamai@sbcglobal.net>
>To:
><mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
>
>Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 3:23 PM
>Subject: [runacc] CC27 Review – Friday
>
>The offsite High Tea activity was apparently popular and well attended
>because it appealed to certain historical costumers (and the meetup
>organizer), who were frequently seen in groups over the weekend . This
>appeared to be the only meetup that got any organizational attention –
>there didn’t appear to be any effort on the part of the person in charge of
>meetups to help other people connect with each other..
>
>The Single Pattern Contest/Show had a very strong showing, with as many as
>30 contestants. The McCall’s “Misses Renaissance Dress” pattern entries
>outnumbered the Drovers Coats by a factor of 2 – 1. Separating the show
>from the Future Fashion Show was a very good idea, but we think it should be
>incorporated into the Friday Night Social in way. The “Green Room” was
>entirely too small, many people wound up standing in the hall. The
>informal nature of the show worked well, but the room for it was a little
>too small. Having contestants show up 2 hours in advance of the show was
>completely unnecessary. Since there was no rehearsal, 1 hour would have
>been plenty.
>
>Most of the glaring errors with the show organization concerned
>communication and the appearance of being less important than the other
>shows. Rather than being the only event of the evening, followed by the
>Friday Night Social, they were held concurrently. As near as we can tell,
>no formal announcement was made during the Social that the SP was about to
>start, word that the judges had finished deliberating was carried to
>audience and contestants by word of mouth, and no formal acknowledgement was
>made of the winners afterwards.
>
>Word is that there was a technical problem that did not allow video to be
>shot of this event. Unfortunately, there was no official photography of the
>event, which gave the appearance to some that the show was of lesser
>importance. Fortunately, Eric Cannon shot footage, and there are fans,
>including a SLUT or two, who did shoot some stills.
>
>The “Vamps, Villains, and Vixens” theme didn’t appear to have much appeal,
>if you go by what people wore to the Social. The Social itself wasn’t
>outstanding, but it wasn’t awful, either. There was someone with a
>microphone over on one side of the atrium making up games and handing out
>silly awards to participate in, but the majority of people were more
>interested in talking to fellow costumers.

“Those Who Fail to Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly –
Why They Are Simply Doomed.”

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C. Y. 4971

Andromeda

 

Group: runacc Message: 1916 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/26/2009
Subject: Re: CC27 Review – Friday

I should have revised that, after Byron first mentioned it, and forgot – I
didn’t mean to imply they should be concurrent – more that they should have
been in the same room, with the Social to follow the SP show.

Bruce

> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Pierre & Sandy Pettinger
> Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 8:38 AM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [runacc] CC27 Review – Friday
>
> At 09:07 PM 5/24/2009, you wrote:
>
> >I have to break ranks with my fellow SLUTs’ statement that “we think
> >it should be incorporated in the Friday Night Social.” In my
> >opinion, scheduling the Single Pattern Contest on Friday was a good
> >idea, and I would encourage other concoms to consider doing so,
> >However, in my opinion the contest must be separated from the Friday
> >Night Social if it is to be a success. In fact, the problem at CC 27
> >is that the contest was not separated sufficiently from the Social.
> >The Friday Night Social is an opportunity for costumers to schmooze;
> >attempts to interrupt it with a stage event will prove unsuccessful.
> >In keeping the Single Pattern Contest on Friday, if a concom wants
> >the Contest to be well attended, it should make it clear that the
> >Social begins after the contest, NOT against it.
> >
> >Byron
>
> We agree with Byron. We loved moving the Single Pattern to Friday
> evening, but the Social should have officially begun after the SP

concluded.

>
> Pierre and Sandy
>
> >—– Original Message —–
> >From: Bruce & Nora Mai<mailto:casamai@sbcglobal.net>
> >To:
> ><mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@
> yahoogroups.com>
> >
> >Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 3:23 PM
> >Subject: [runacc] CC27 Review – Friday
> >
> >The offsite High Tea activity was apparently popular and well attended
> >because it appealed to certain historical costumers (and the meetup
> >organizer), who were frequently seen in groups over the weekend . This
> >appeared to be the only meetup that got any organizational attention –
> >there didn’t appear to be any effort on the part of the person in charge

of

> >meetups to help other people connect with each other..
> >
> >The Single Pattern Contest/Show had a very strong showing, with as many

as

> >30 contestants. The McCall’s “Misses Renaissance Dress” pattern entries
> >outnumbered the Drovers Coats by a factor of 2 – 1. Separating the show
> >from the Future Fashion Show was a very good idea, but we think it should

be

> >incorporated into the Friday Night Social in way. The “Green Room” was
> >entirely too small, many people wound up standing in the hall. The
> >informal nature of the show worked well, but the room for it was a little
> >too small. Having contestants show up 2 hours in advance of the show was
> >completely unnecessary. Since there was no rehearsal, 1 hour would have
> >been plenty.
> >
> >Most of the glaring errors with the show organization concerned
> >communication and the appearance of being less important than the other
> >shows. Rather than being the only event of the evening, followed by the
> >Friday Night Social, they were held concurrently. As near as we can tell,
> >no formal announcement was made during the Social that the SP was about

to

> >start, word that the judges had finished deliberating was carried to
> >audience and contestants by word of mouth, and no formal acknowledgement

was

> >made of the winners afterwards.
> >
> >Word is that there was a technical problem that did not allow video to be
> >shot of this event. Unfortunately, there was no official photography of

the

> >event, which gave the appearance to some that the show was of lesser
> >importance. Fortunately, Eric Cannon shot footage, and there are fans,
> >including a SLUT or two, who did shoot some stills.
> >
> >The “Vamps, Villains, and Vixens” theme didn’t appear to have much

appeal,

> >if you go by what people wore to the Social. The Social itself wasn’t
> >outstanding, but it wasn’t awful, either. There was someone with a
> >microphone over on one side of the atrium making up games and handing out
> >silly awards to participate in, but the majority of people were more
> >interested in talking to fellow costumers.
>
> “Those Who Fail to Learn History
> Are Doomed to Repeat It;
> Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly –
> Why They Are Simply Doomed.”
>
> Achemdro’hm
> “The Illusion of Historical Fact”
> — C. Y. 4971
>
> Andromeda
>
>
>
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> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo!

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Group: runacc Message: 1917 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/28/2009
Subject: CC27 – Saturday

One of the major beefs by many costumers was the original plan to have both
SF & F and Historical masq tech rehearsals on Saturday. People were
relieved when that went by the wayside when the SF & F rehearsals began
running late. It’s just as well, since pre-judging for the Historical was
also taking place on Saturday.
While the SF & F masquerade ran smoothly, there were a number of backstage
logistics glitches that could have been handled better. The SF & F MD came
in for criticism for giving leeway to people who showed up late for their
tech rehearsals. Those people should have been put at the back of the line
– it’s rude and inconsiderate to push fellow contestants back who arrive3d
at their appointed times.

Many of these problems could have been avoided by a mandatory meeting of the
contestants to lay out their responsibilities, but historically, CC hasn’t
had them very often – possibly for time reasons. (It still doesn’t mean
they’re not a good idea, especially when the masquerade was as large as it
was). A quick tour of the backstage area would have been a good idea to get
the entrants familiar with how they were to enter the stage (which was a bit
odd).

Other behind the scenes problems: The MD looked like a deer in the
headlights when asked about contestant “Polaroids” – it hadn’t even occurred
to them. Also, there was at least one instance that reference documentation
never got to the judges. The one item that did make it to the judges had
been hand-delivered by a den mom. For the presentation judges’ part (my
being one of them), we believed we made our deliberations relatively
quickly, given the number of contestants. Having the representative from
Simplicity Patterns participate as a judge was a good choice for adding a
different perspective than the usual.

There was a laundry list of complaints resulting from a lack of organization
in the Green Room:

The staff wasn’t prepared to check people in when it was supposed to open.

It was too small to accommodate all the entries – one group had to be put in
another room by themselves.

There were barely any tables to put props and costume pieces on, and seating
was theatre-style, which doesn’t work.

Children were running around unsupervised, forcing adults to watch out for
them.

>>” It also would have been nice if there was a separate children’s green

room. The three little girls ran rampant and it’s a miracle they didn’t
careen into someone’s prop/costume and ruin it. I had to stop short a
couple times when getting water so they didn’t cause me to spill it.”

These were relatively minor, compared to problems with the Workmanship
judges. The complaints ranged from lack of thoroughness, to rushing
entrants through, to outright rudeness and – at one point – not showing up
on time (or leaving early.)

>>”I know the Canadians were utterly devastated with the workmanship

judging, and convinced they wouldn’t get a thing because of how the
workmanship judges treated them. They said the judges were brusque and
described ‘rude’ without ever saying it. I was sad for them, and a little
upset they would think that this was how it was supposed to be. Thankfully
they were much happier with the Historical Workmanship.”<<

>> I hate to say it, but I’m really starting to get annoyed at only being

judged by 1/2 the workmanship judging team.”

>>” We only got looked at by one of the workmanship judges, but we were

first in line, so maybe got more time than some”.

One costumer had tried to talk about her corset, and began referencing her
documentation (which they didn’t look at), and was told, “We aren’t here to
judge your whole costume – just tell us what piece you want us to see.
Hurry up”. Excuse me?

Some of this is obviously a matter of perception – entrants sometimes spend
too long with the judges. This is where a good Judges Clerk could help
manage time better. Not all the costumers had problems, but there was a
notable percentage who spoke up about the time factor. If there was a
Workmanship Judge’s Clerk, then someone wasn’t doing their job. If there
wasn’t one, then it illustrated a necessity for one.

The masquerade show:

Thumbs down for:
No preparation to accommodate the disabled in the seating area.
Guild awards after the masq awards – they really should be announced no
later than when the judges return. Presenting them after all the major
awards is anti-climactic and the audience wants to leave.
The stage photo run – completely disorganized. Someone, like the stage
manager, or even a ninja, should have been in charge of calling contestants
on stage and directing them where to stand.

Thumbs up for:
The projection screen to the side of the stage so that people could see
costumes on stage more easily
Video feed to the Green Room
The tech crew

A special thanks goes out from the ICG Archive Team to the concom and crew
granting a request to run the video tribute.

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Group: runacc Message: 1918 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: CC27 Review – Sunday
Future Fashion Folio

Once again, entries were supposed to show up 2 hours prior to the show,
which, given there were only 15 entries, was probably excessive, even with a
quick walk-through on stage. For some reason, the judges were not ready
to go when the Green Room opened. Other than that, the show went smoothly
and was over about a 30 minutes.

The Historical Masquerade:

Problems with this show began on Saturday, when the pre-judging did not
allot enough time for each costumer to present their creations, especially
for groups.

More than one person reported inappropriate behavior by at least 2 judges
both at pre-judging and after the show. They were easily overheard making
statements, within earshot of both contestants and non-contestants alike,
indicating they had a bias toward historic dress vs. interpretation. One
judge was even overheard making a comment that implied that they were biased
against a particular group of costumers. One of the others made an aside
that a contestant’s costume piece was “not period” and “shouldn’t have been
competed anyway” was unknowingly made to someone who turned out to be that
contestant’s friend. The same judge, more than once, took the occasion to
tell the entrants to talk about their own accomplishments, taking up time
that should have been spent on asking questions. The judges came across as
overly judgmental and dismissive, often barely touching garments.

To sum up: this is the second year in a row where there were problems with
judge conduct. Future MDs need to do a better job of screening their
candidates, especially in the Historical masquerade.

Thumbs down:
MD didn’t push at least one costumer from “Historic Interpretation” into
“Historic Dress”.
No video playback in the Green Room
Confusion over the Simplicity Challenge judging
Another chaotic stage photo run. Needs to be wrangled by someone.

Thumbs up:
Breaking awards into Best Documentation, Workmanship & Presentation
Announcing those awards by division

The “after party” in the atrium was unusually low-key. There was also the
impression that some private party, somewhere, was bleeding off the “Big
Name Costumers”, because some of them seemed to disappear shortly after the
show was over.

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Group: runacc Message: 1919 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/31/2009
Subject: CC27 Review – Monday and final comments
It was understandable that the hotel had another function to set up for
immediately that morning, but it was disappointing to see the atrium floor
cleared out – “So long” cushy chairs and table where you could at least hang
out and say goodbye to people leaving that day. The “Masquerade of
Champions” panel was entertaining to those who had yet to see it (no word on
the other panels). It was well attended, which means Monday is a good time
to schedule Archive presentations. People want to prolong that good feeling
as the con winds down, and watching masq videos fits the bill.

Once the few panels were over, and since the dealers rooms were already
closed, there was little to do until the evening. A few of us got together
and drove down to a shopping district and had a nice lunch. It was too bad
that at least half of the stores there were closed on Monday.

We were glad to see the con Suite was still open, so people could bring
snacks in to the Ridgely room. There wasn’t the usual “after convention”
buzz we have been a part of at previous CCs – thank goodness Andy Trembley
had photos of people’s costumes from the weekend that could be projected
onto a screen.

In closing, let me restate: most of the criticisms in the review are
nitpicks – overall, the convention was enjoyable. Did it live up to the
promises to fix things that went wrong at CC26? Not entirely, but the only
major thing was the Historical judges experiences that made things notably
unpleasant for some people. On the whole, we had a pretty good time.

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Group: runacc Message: 1920 From: H W Osier Date: 6/4/2009
Subject: Masquerade Only Viewers
Hello!

Has any prior CC had people who just wanted to see either Masquerade? If so, how was it handled?

Henry

 

Group: runacc Message: 1921 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 6/4/2009
Subject: Re: Masquerade Only Viewers

I think we were prepared to sell event tickets to the Masquerades (our
main stage ballroom was large enough) but I don’t know if we actually
sold any.

Kevin

H W Osier wrote:

>
>
> Hello!
>
> Has any prior CC had people who just wanted to see either Masquerade?
> If so, how was it handled?
>
> Henry
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1922 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/4/2009
Subject: Re: Masquerade Only Viewers

CC-27
A $10.00 donation (if they asked). In one case the parents of 2 of the
entries, in another, some hotel guests. We did the same for CC-9 and I
believe for CC-15.

Marty

H W Osier wrote:

>
>
> Hello!
>
> Has any prior CC had people who just wanted to see either Masquerade?
> If so, how was it handled?
>
> Henry
>
>
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Group: runacc Message: 1923 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/4/2009
Subject: Re: Masquerade Only Viewers

You have to be careful about how you’re selling those spaces. In
Maryland, event tickets incur a tax and are taxable income. If you offer
a “suggested donation” request, it should cover. We didn’t budget on
this for CCXV, but we wound up getting something like $25 or so per
night for folks who just wanted in to see one of the shows. We used
stickers to indicate those who had paid, in lieu of badges.

I recall we asked for $5 per person.

We also offered a discounted membership to individuals who were
attending a competing SF con the same weekend as ours, so that they
could attend both without breaking the bank.

Since there are no publications involved, and the food impact at the
consuite was pretty much covered by this fee, we figured it was found
money and enough to justify.

Most of the time, you’re getting local family or friends who don’t have
an interest in the competitions otherwise. I also recall that these
“tickets” weren’t available until an hour before the event, so folks
couldn’t use them to do other stuff.

That’s what I recall…

-b

Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair wrote:

>
>
>
> I think we were prepared to sell event tickets to the Masquerades (our
> main stage ballroom was large enough) but I don’t know if we actually
> sold any.
>
> Kevin
>
> H W Osier wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hello!
> >
> > Has any prior CC had people who just wanted to see either Masquerade?
> > If so, how was it handled?
> >
> > Henry



Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

Group: runacc Message: 1924 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/4/2009
Subject: Re: Masquerade Only Viewers
Henry,

That’s a common thing. Usually we have sold “Event Only” tickets, priced so we can encourage other hotel guests to come and see. Or for visiting locals.

Elaine

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To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: osierhenry@cs.com
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:02:00 +0000
Subject: [runacc] Masquerade Only Viewers

Hello!

Has any prior CC had people who just wanted to see either Masquerade? If so, how was it handled?

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1925 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/4/2009
Subject: Re: Masquerade Only Viewers

I don’t know about CCs. However, Philcon has a nominal Saturday evening fee that lets people attend the masquerade and any post-masquerade events. Last year, at least one entrant got tickets for relatives. At my suggestion, Anticipation is contemplating a similar policy.

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: H W Osier<mailto:osierhenry@cs.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 4:02 PM
Subject: [runacc] Masquerade Only Viewers

Hello!

Has any prior CC had people who just wanted to see either Masquerade? If so, how was it handled?

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1926 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 6/5/2009
Subject: Re: Masquerade Only Viewers

For CC10, we had event-only admissions for $5 – not sure if anyone
used them, but they were there. The idea was to make it cheaper than
a movie ticket. We also allowed hotel employees to attend the
masquerades for free if they showed their hotel employee id.

P & S

At 03:02 PM 6/4/2009, you wrote:

>Hello!
>
>Has any prior CC had people who just wanted to see either
>Masquerade? If so, how was it handled?
>
>Henry

“Those Who Fail to Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly –
Why They Are Simply Doomed.”

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C. Y. 4971

Andromeda

 

Group: runacc Message: 1927 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 6/5/2009
Subject: Re: Masquerade Only Viewers

Charged ’em some nominal fee ($5-$10), and let them watch the masquerade and have access to the con suite.

Probably should be the equivalent price of buying a movie ticket.

–karen

—– Original Message —–
From: H W Osier
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 4:02 PM
Subject: [runacc] Masquerade Only Viewers

Hello!

Has any prior CC had people who just wanted to see either Masquerade? If so, how was it handled?

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1928 From: von_drago Date: 6/6/2009
Subject: Re: Masquerade Only Viewers

For CC 25 we charged $5 to just see any shows.
Got 8 or so for SF&F & a few less for Historical (there’s notes here somewhere). Relatives & hotel guests who were curious.

Worth having a plan in place for when someone asked.

Nora

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Ricky & Karen Dick” <castleb@…> wrote:
>
> Charged ’em some nominal fee ($5-$10), and let them watch the masquerade and have access to the con suite.
>
> Probably should be the equivalent price of buying a movie ticket.
>
> –karen
>
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: H W Osier
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 4:02 PM
> Subject: [runacc] Masquerade Only Viewers
>
>
>
>
>
> Hello!
>
> Has any prior CC had people who just wanted to see either Masquerade? If so, how was it handled?
>
> Henry
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ——————————————————————————
>
>
>
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Group: runacc Message: 1929 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/6/2009
Subject: Re: Masquerade Only Viewers

In a message dated 6/6/2009 6:33:52 AM Central Daylight Time,
von_drago@yahoo.com writes:

> Worth having a plan in place for when someone asked.

I know back at CC21, the issue came up and Marty suggested a 5 or 10
donation. I like the idea of having some plan in place.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1930 From: von_drago Date: 6/16/2009
Subject: Hall Awards
Can anyone here give me stats on Hall Costume Awards?

How many did you buy for your CC? Did you use them all? How many left over?

Thanks,

NOra

 

Group: runacc Message: 1931 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/16/2009
Subject: Re: Hall Awards

I bought a roll of them from Hodges. Used them as promotion at various
other cons for two years with a business card that hadd CC-27
information attached. Gave the remainder (about half a roll) to Deborah
and have no idea how many she gave out or how many she had left.

Marty

von_drago wrote:

>
>
> Can anyone here give me stats on Hall Costume Awards?
>
> How many did you buy for your CC? Did you use them all? How many left
> over?
>
> Thanks,
>
> NOra
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 1932 From: von_drago Date: 6/16/2009
Subject: Re: Hall Awards

How many were on the roll to start with?

Nora

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Martin Gear <MartinGear@…> wrote:
> I bought a roll of them from Hodges. Used them as promotion at various
> other cons for two years with a business card that hadd CC-27
> information attached. Gave the remainder (about half a roll) to Deborah
> and have no idea how many she gave out or how many she had left.
>
> Marty
>
> von_drago wrote:
> >
> >
> > Can anyone here give me stats on Hall Costume Awards?
> >
> > How many did you buy for your CC? Did you use them all? How many left
> > over?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > NOra
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1933 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/16/2009
Subject: Re: Hall Awards

A bunch! – The roll is 100 yards long x 1-5/8″ wide, and the “pull” is
approximately 6″ so you can estimate 600 ribbons. It cost ~$65 plus the
one time cost of the logo die.

Marty

von_drago wrote:

>
>
> How many were on the roll to start with?
>
> Nora
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Martin Gear <MartinGear@…> wrote:
> > I bought a roll of them from Hodges. Used them as promotion at various
> > other cons for two years with a business card that hadd CC-27
> > information attached. Gave the remainder (about half a roll) to Deborah
> > and have no idea how many she gave out or how many she had left.
> >
> > Marty
> >
> > von_drago wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Can anyone here give me stats on Hall Costume Awards?
> > >
> > > How many did you buy for your CC? Did you use them all? How many left
> > > over?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > NOra
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 1934 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 6/16/2009
Subject: Re: Hall Awards

We had our “pre-con” hall costume award ribbons which we handed out at
events wherever we travelled (including a number of Imperial Court
events, anywhere where dressing in theme was part of the genre).

I think Andy might have the stats on how many of those we gave out;
those were the 2.5 inch wide badge extender ribbons.

Jwhlyfer had a fairly (overly, to be frank) ambitious plan for the
at-con awards, with 3 tiers of awards and a few special Evil Genius
awards. When I get home tonight I can look up how many of which ribbons
we bought. We opted for streamers rather than badge extenders, and they
had their own distinctive color scheme. I’m pretty sure they gave out a
LOT of those ribbons; The special award winners are listed on the CC26
website at <http://www.cc26.info/main.php?section=events&page=othercontests>

As I said, I’ll look up the stats/costs when I get home tonight.

Kevin

von_drago wrote:

>
>
> Can anyone here give me stats on Hall Costume Awards?
>
> How many did you buy for your CC? Did you use them all? How many left
> over?
>
> Thanks,
>
> NOra
>
>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1935 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/16/2009
Subject: Re: Hall Awards

In a message dated 6/16/2009 9:20:16 AM Central Daylight Time,
von_drago@yahoo.com writes:

>
>
> Can anyone here give me stats on Hall Costume Awards?
>
> How many did you buy for your CC? Did you use them all? How many left
> over?
>
>
>
>
>

Speaking for CC21, not that many, which I was not happy ab out. I think
they were all used up.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1936 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 6/16/2009
Subject: Re: Hall Awards… CC26 amounts and costs

OK — as promised, what we bought for CC26 Hall Costume Ribbons:
(The setup fees are charged by Hodges when you buy less than 25 of a
custom design)

I would have to go check the boxes in my storage unit to see how many
are left.
______________________________________________________________
1 “Ultimate Evil Award for Hall Costuming” Rosette with Triple streamers
(black/maroon, lemon) and metallic copper printing
$2.70 + $10.00 setup fee = $12.70

6 “Evil Genius of the Day Hall Costume Award” Rosette with single black
streamer and copper printing
6@$2.30= $13.80 + $10.00 setup fee = $23.80

200 “Pure Evil Genius Hall Costume Award” black point-topped ribbons
with bronze print
200@$0.42=$84.00

Setup fee for the League of Evil Geniuses logo: $30
Setup fee for the LoEG rosettes center medals: $10

Total = $160.50

von_drago wrote:

>
>
> Can anyone here give me stats on Hall Costume Awards?
>
> How many did you buy for your CC? Did you use them all? How many left
> over?
>
> Thanks,
>
> NOra
>
> .
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1937 From: von_drago Date: 6/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hall Awards

Apparently nobody can give me a number on how many Hall awards were actually given out over the course of the weekend for any CC?
Just the weekend, not before at other cons.

I don’t want to overbuy but also don’t want to come up short. I’m guessing at 200 – anybody agree with that?

Nora

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, osierhenry@… wrote:
>
> In a message dated 6/16/2009 9:20:16 AM Central Daylight Time,
> von_drago@… writes:
> >
> >
> > Can anyone here give me stats on Hall Costume Awards?
> >
> > How many did you buy for your CC? Did you use them all? How many left
> > over?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> Speaking for CC21, not that many, which I was not happy ab out. I think
> they were all used up.
>
> Henry
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1938 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hall Awards
I don’t know how aggressive Deborah was in passing out hall costume awards, but I think that 200 is about double what you’ll need.

M

Sent from my Verizon Wireless CrackBerry

—–Original Message—–

From: “von_drago” <von_drago@yahoo.com>

Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:55:49

To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>

Subject: [runacc] Re: Hall Awards

 

Apparently nobody can give me a number on how many Hall awards were actually given out over the course of the weekend for any CC?

Just the weekend, not before at other cons.

I don’t want to overbuy but also don’t want to come up short. I’m guessing at 200 – anybody agree with that?

Nora

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, osierhenry@… wrote:

>

> In a message dated 6/16/2009 9:20:16 AM Central Daylight Time,

> von_drago@… writes:

> >

> >

> > Can anyone here give me stats on Hall Costume Awards?

> >

> > How many did you buy for your CC? Did you use them all? How many left

> > over?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> Speaking for CC21, not that many, which I was not happy ab out. I think

> they were all used up.

>

> Henry

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

 

 

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Group: runacc Message: 1939 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hall Awards

I guess it all depends on what the message is for the weekend. If you
want to encourage folks to wear costumes, giving them a recognition that
they went to the trouble to get into something more than a t-shirt and
jeans seems to be a good thing.

If you think that recipients won’t appreciate receiving the ribbons, or
you think you might give more than one to the same person and that this
is a bad thing, don’t buy as many.

If you’ve got a 300 person con and you buy 200 ribbons, how many do you
think you’ll give to the same people? Is that a bad thing?

Any guesses as to how many will be in attendance at 28?

(Yeah, this is maybe not so helpful, but the whole thing’s a crapshoot
anyway, so I’d go with a best guess and not stress too much about it.)

Cheers,

Betsy

> —–Original Message—–
> From: “von_drago” <von_drago@yahoo.com <mailto:von_drago%40yahoo.com>>
>
> Apparently nobody can give me a number on how many Hall awards were
> actually given out over the course of the weekend for any CC?
> Just the weekend, not before at other cons.
>
> I don’t want to overbuy but also don’t want to come up short. I’m
> guessing at 200 – anybody agree with that?
>
> Nora



Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

Group: runacc Message: 1940 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hall Awards

Last year Denvention ordered 250 hall costume award ribbons, which is the number I’m ordering this year for Anticipation. These cons have about six times the membership of a CC (ca. 3,000 vs. 500). On the other hand, a much larger percentage of a CC’s members will be wearing hall costumes and will wear more than one over the course of the weekend, resulting in multiple awards to an individual. Unless someone has some actual numbers for CCs, on the whole, 200 sounds reasonable to me, I guess.

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: von_drago<mailto:von_drago@yahoo.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 6:55 PM
Subject: [runacc] Re: Hall Awards

Apparently nobody can give me a number on how many Hall awards were actually given out over the course of the weekend for any CC?
Just the weekend, not before at other cons.

I don’t want to overbuy but also don’t want to come up short. I’m guessing at 200 – anybody agree with that?

Nora
— In runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>, osierhenry@… wrote:
>
> In a message dated 6/16/2009 9:20:16 AM Central Daylight Time,
> von_drago@… writes:
> >
> >
> > Can anyone here give me stats on Hall Costume Awards?
> >
> > How many did you buy for your CC? Did you use them all? How many left
> > over?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> Speaking for CC21, not that many, which I was not happy ab out. I think
> they were all used up.
>
> Henry
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 1941 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 6/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hall Awards

Well, we bought 200, and we didn’t run out. I can count what’s left in
the box the next time I’m out at my storage unit.

I will probably be going over there before the end of this weekend.

Kevin

von_drago wrote:

>
>
> Apparently nobody can give me a number on how many Hall awards were
> actually given out over the course of the weekend for any CC?
> Just the weekend, not before at other cons.
>
> I don’t want to overbuy but also don’t want to come up short. I’m
> guessing at 200 – anybody agree with that?
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1942 From: von_drago Date: 6/24/2009
Subject: Re: Hall Awards

I’m thinking of 100 standard & 2 – 50 count special categories.

Still sound reasonable?

Nora

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair” <chair@…> wrote:
>
> Well, we bought 200, and we didn’t run out. I can count what’s left in
> the box the next time I’m out at my storage unit.
>
> I will probably be going over there before the end of this weekend.
>
> Kevin
>
>
> von_drago wrote:
> >
> >
> > Apparently nobody can give me a number on how many Hall awards were
> > actually given out over the course of the weekend for any CC?
> > Just the weekend, not before at other cons.
> >
> > I don’t want to overbuy but also don’t want to come up short. I’m
> > guessing at 200 – anybody agree with that?
> >
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1943 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/25/2009
Subject: Re: Hall Awards

Probably.

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: von_drago<mailto:von_drago@yahoo.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 10:46 PM
Subject: [runacc] Re: Hall Awards

I’m thinking of 100 standard & 2 – 50 count special categories.

Still sound reasonable?

Nora
— In runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>, “Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair” <chair@…> wrote:
>
> Well, we bought 200, and we didn’t run out. I can count what’s left in
> the box the next time I’m out at my storage unit.
>
> I will probably be going over there before the end of this weekend.
>
> Kevin
>
>
> von_drago wrote:
> >
> >
> > Apparently nobody can give me a number on how many Hall awards were
> > actually given out over the course of the weekend for any CC?
> > Just the weekend, not before at other cons.
> >
> > I don’t want to overbuy but also don’t want to come up short. I’m
> > guessing at 200 – anybody agree with that?
> >
>

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Group: runacc Message: 1944 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair Date: 6/27/2009
Subject: Re: Hall Awards

At the warehouse now…

We had 17 of the 200 ribbons left over.

Kevin

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 24, 2009, at 7:46 PM, “von_drago” <von_drago@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
> I’m thinking of 100 standard & 2 – 50 count special categories.
>
> Still sound reasonable?
>
> Nora
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair”
> <chair@…> wrote:
> >
> > Well, we bought 200, and we didn’t run out. I can count what’s
> left in
> > the box the next time I’m out at my storage unit.
> >
> > I will probably be going over there before the end of this weekend.
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> >
> > von_drago wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Apparently nobody can give me a number on how many Hall awards
> were
> > > actually given out over the course of the weekend for any CC?
> > > Just the weekend, not before at other cons.
> > >
> > > I don’t want to overbuy but also don’t want to come up short. I’m
> > > guessing at 200 – anybody agree with that?
> > >
> >
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 1945 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 7/12/2009
Subject: Re: Bidding Open for Costume-Con 31 (2013)
Seeking a city/committee to run Costume-Con 31 (2013).

Bids must be submitted before November 9, 2009 (180 days out from Costume-Con 28). Voting will take place at Costume-Con 28, and is open to CC28 attending and supporting members.

For the boring procedural stuff on how to bid for a Costume-Con:

http://www.costume-con.org/constitution.shtml

–Karen Dick
Costume-Con Founder and “Mom”

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Group: runacc Message: 1946 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 7/22/2009
Subject: CC28 Update: Future Fashion Folio Rules Posted!
The Future Fashion Folio Rules are now posted on the website! Costumers!
Start your drawings!

Henry W. Osier
Chairman, Costume-Con 28
May 7 to May 10, 2010
www.CC28.org
Look for our fan page on Facebook!
And on Twitter: CostumeCon28
Got questions?
Join the CostumeCon Yahoo group!

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Group: runacc Message: 1947 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 7/24/2009
Subject: [Fwd: [ICG-D] Re: comment on the CC-28 web site]
I think everyone on this list is also on ICG-D, but this message from
Cat caught my eye as something all the CC folks should know.

There is an ongoing discussion about what should be on a CC web site on
the list over there, and folks might want to take notes.

Back to lurking again…

-b

——– Original Message ——–
Subject: [ICG-D] Re: comment on the CC-28 web site
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 20:46:50 -0700
From: Cat Devereaux
Reply-To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com
To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com

<http://www.alleycatscratch.com/ffashion/>

As Nora mentioned, Fran and I set it up to explain it to folks outside
pure fandom. It’s kinda sat in a corner because LOTR jumped up and got
too successful. The advantage, it being small and in a corner, it’s
easy to update (vs blows up anything I try to think about publishing.)

So…. anyone who wants to contribute anything from other articles, to
examples, to whatever…. please do.

Con chairs, I work on keeping the information updated… and there is an
attached yahoo group that is announce only (like less then a dozen
messages a year) that has folks from all over the world including
teachers who do class projects and do send some in. I either just
relay the messages, or the folio director can join and I’ll give them
posting privaleges. The messages that get posted on that list always
assume that folks don’t know much about the event. Any questions that
come from the list, related to the contests get handed back to the folio
director.

Again… any and all help to make it more sense, is welcome.

-Cat-



Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

Group: runacc Message: 1948 From: dandyhank Date: 9/1/2009
Subject: Costume-Con 28 membership rates
Hello!

The membership rate is going up at the end of the month! You can find all the rate info and the form at http://www.cc28.org/memberships.php You can even pay via PayPal to CC2010Milw@cs.com

If everyone can spread the word, I would appreciate it.

Henry Osier
Chairman, Costume-Con 28

 

Group: runacc Message: 1949 From: Bruno Date: 11/5/2009
Subject: CC statistics
Looking for some CC statistics for the following years. I thought
these might be collecting somewhere, maybe not.

Total # room nights
# of room nights per night
Total #of attendees
# of attendees local vs. out of town
Total sq ft of conference space used

CC23, 24, 25, 26, 27

Sooner would be better than later. Thanks.

Michael

 

Group: runacc Message: 1950 From: Bruno Date: 11/5/2009
Subject: CC site selection
This is just a topic for discussion . . .

CC used to follow the WorldCon voting schedule of site selection three
years in advance. After the 2004 WorldCon, it switched to a two year
site selection schedule. Is it really necessary to have CC site
selection three years in advance?

Michael

 

 

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Group: runacc Message: 1851 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Passing contact information forward…
Group: runacc Message: 1852 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: Passing contact information forward…
Group: runacc Message: 1853 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-con 26 Convention Ch Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: Passing contact information forward…
Group: runacc Message: 1854 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 10/11/2008
Subject: Tips for photographers
Group: runacc Message: 1855 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-con 26 Convention Ch Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: Happy New Year! CC27, CC28, CC29 watch your mailboxes…
Group: runacc Message: 1856 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Happy New Year! CC27, CC28, CC29 watch your mailboxes…
Group: runacc Message: 1857 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Twitter was kind of active this weekend…
Group: runacc Message: 1858 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Twitter was kind of active this weekend…
Group: runacc Message: 1859 From: axejudge Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Twitter was kind of active this weekend…
Group: runacc Message: 1860 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Twitter was kind of active this weekend…
Group: runacc Message: 1861 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Future Fashion Show Awards
Group: runacc Message: 1862 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Twitter was kind of active this weekend…
Group: runacc Message: 1863 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Twitter was kind of active this weekend…
Group: runacc Message: 1864 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Twitter was kind of active this weekend…
Group: runacc Message: 1865 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show Awards
Group: runacc Message: 1866 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show Awards
Group: runacc Message: 1867 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show Awards
Group: runacc Message: 1868 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show Awards/singlepattern
Group: runacc Message: 1869 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show Awards/singlepattern
Group: runacc Message: 1870 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show Awards/singlepattern
Group: runacc Message: 1871 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: single pattern
Group: runacc Message: 1872 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: single pattern
Group: runacc Message: 1873 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: single pattern
Group: runacc Message: 1874 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show Awards/singlepattern
Group: runacc Message: 1875 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show Awards/singlepattern
Group: runacc Message: 1876 From: von_drago Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: single pattern & Social
Group: runacc Message: 1877 From: von_drago Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show Awards/singlepattern
Group: runacc Message: 1878 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: single pattern & Social
Group: runacc Message: 1879 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: single pattern & Social
Group: runacc Message: 1880 From: Martin Gear Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: single pattern
Group: runacc Message: 1881 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: single pattern during the Social
Group: runacc Message: 1882 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show Awards/singlepattern
Group: runacc Message: 1883 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: single pattern & Social
Group: runacc Message: 1884 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Future Fashion Show Awards
Group: runacc Message: 1885 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show Awards
Group: runacc Message: 1886 From: Karen Heim Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show Awards/singlepattern
Group: runacc Message: 1887 From: Tina Connell Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: single pattern & Social
Group: runacc Message: 1888 From: von_drago Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Division System in Auxiliary events
Group: runacc Message: 1889 From: Tina Connell Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: single pattern during the Social (sound and lighting)
Group: runacc Message: 1890 From: von_drago Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show Awards
Group: runacc Message: 1891 From: Stephanie Carrigg Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show Awards
Group: runacc Message: 1892 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show Awards
Group: runacc Message: 1893 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show Awards/singlepattern
Group: runacc Message: 1894 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show Awards
Group: runacc Message: 1895 From: von_drago Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show Awards
Group: runacc Message: 1896 From: axejudge Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show Awards
Group: runacc Message: 1897 From: Byron Connell Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show Awards/singlepattern
Group: runacc Message: 1898 From: Byron Connell Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: single pattern
Group: runacc Message: 1899 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show Awards/singlepattern
Group: runacc Message: 1900 From: Elaine Mami Date: 5/11/2009
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show Awards

 


 

Group: runacc Message: 1851 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Passing contact information forward…
Now that Denvention is over, Andy and I finally have a chance to breathe
(case in point: Tuesday I excavated the dining room table — our only
eating table — out from under a year’s worth of crap so we can eat at
it again.).

And, now that I can breathe I’m wrapping up some CC26 chores.

(Before you ask, yes, one of them is getting those blasted Parallel
Dimension in Design certificates mailed, as well the one or two still
left from the masquerades that had to be re-done. I’ve actually been
taking them with me to conventions to hand off in person as much as
possible, but with Worldcon over, now I have to actually resort to the
Post Awful).

One of the happy chores is working up the spreadsheet of contact info
for members who gave us permission to pass it forward to future
Costume-Cons.
So, to whom should I send it for CC27, CC28, and CC29?

At this point, I have about 600 names from the online registration
system with permission to pass along. There is some question whether
the question was asked properly on the paper forms, so Linda (our
registrar) is going back to check before I can release any of those 250
names.

Kevin

 

Group: runacc Message: 1852 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: Passing contact information forward…

In a message dated 8/29/2008 5:26:35 PM Central Daylight Time, chair@cc26.org
writes:

> One of the happy chores is working up the spreadsheet of contact info
> for members who gave us permission to pass it forward to future
> Costume-Cons.
> So, to whom should I send it for CC27, CC28, and CC29?

Me!
Henry Osier
Chief Spy
Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010
www.CC28.org
View the latest Intell: http://agent-milw.livejournal.com/
Questions?: http://community.livejournal.com/costume_con_28/

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Group: runacc Message: 1853 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-con 26 Convention Ch Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: Passing contact information forward…

I have have sent the spreadsheet onto Henry.

To whom else should I forward it? I don’t really want to just put it
into the YahooGroup filespace.

The on-site forms did not have the permission field included on them (an
unexpected consequence of our on-site staff being almost all from one of
our local recurring conventions; they of course always share their reg.
data with themselves, so it didn’t occur to them that we needed to
record that data), so the spreadsheet has the approx 550 pre-registered
members who gave us permission.

Kevin

osierhenry@cs.com wrote:

>
> In a message dated 8/29/2008 5:26:35 PM Central Daylight Time,
> chair@cc26.org <mailto:chair%40cc26.org>
> writes:
> > One of the happy chores is working up the spreadsheet of contact info
> > for members who gave us permission to pass it forward to future
> > Costume-Cons.
> > So, to whom should I send it for CC27, CC28, and CC29?
> Me!
> Henry Osier
> Chief Spy
> Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010
> www.CC28.org
> View the latest Intell: http://agent-milw.livejournal.com/
> <http://agent-milw.livejournal.com/>
> Questions?: http://community.livejournal.com/costume_con_28/
> <http://community.livejournal.com/costume_con_28/>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1854 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 10/11/2008
Subject: Tips for photographers
After scanning a few hundred photos for the Gallery I’d like to offer a
suggestion for future CC photographers.

Most photographers use a variation of grey for backdrops – light grey,
medium grey, dark grey – all of which have a problem with either the pale
costumes or the dark ones (and there’s a lot of white & black costumes out
there folks – believe me!). Even the medium greys tend to either contrast
too much or not enough.

My suggestion? Brown. Check out Sandy Middleton’s photos from Arisia on the
Gallery. The mottled brown he uses seems to provide a more uniform contrast
to most of the costumes.

Just a thought for when your picking out a photographer – see what colors he
has cause something other than grey would be nice.

Nora

 

Group: runacc Message: 1855 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-con 26 Convention Ch Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: Happy New Year! CC27, CC28, CC29 watch your mailboxes…
I just mailed pass-along checks from CC26 to the chairs of CC27, CC28,
and CC29
(Lisa wanted me to get them postmarked by today if possible for tax
reasons.).

Let me know when they turn up, if you can.

Happy Holidays!

Kevin

 

Group: runacc Message: 1856 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 1/1/2009
Subject: Re: Happy New Year! CC27, CC28, CC29 watch your mailboxes…

In a message dated 12/31/2008 5:19:05 PM Central Standard Time,
chair@cc26.org writes:

> I just mailed pass-along checks from CC26 to the chairs of CC27, CC28,
> and CC29
> (Lisa wanted me to get them postmarked by today if possible for tax
> reasons.).
>
> Let me know when they turn up, if you can.
>
>
>
>
>

Will do, Kevin!

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1857 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Twitter was kind of active this weekend…

There wasn’t a lot of twitter activity regarding CC27, but there was
some.

http://search.twitter.com/search?q=%23cc27
(people using the #cc27 “hashtag,” but only a few of us were)

http://search.twitter.com/search?q=%22costume+con%22
(tweets that contain “costume-con” and “costume con”)

http://search.twitter.com/search?q=costumecon
(tweets that contain “costumecon”)

This only gets public tweets. Mostly positive comments. A few not-so-
positive (like this link in @hullacostumes: <http://makotohanabi.livejournal.com/15515.html

>). Following links back to twitter streams of people found in this

search will get you more discussion.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1858 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/6/2009
Subject: Re: Twitter was kind of active this weekend…

While that last person’s criticisms had some validity (mainly about the
cliques in some quarters), they apparently didn’t talk to many other people
and is unfairly painting the entire con with a broad brush. Their two words
for the con were “high school”. My two words from them are “close-minded”.

Bruce

> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Andrew T Trembley
> Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 5:05 PM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [runacc] Twitter was kind of active this weekend…
>
> This only gets public tweets. Mostly positive comments. A few not-so-
> positive (like this link in @hullacostumes:
> <http://makotohanabi.livejournal.com/15515.html
> >). Following links back to twitter streams of people found in this
> search will get you more discussion.
>
> andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1859 From: axejudge Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Twitter was kind of active this weekend…

And apparently s/he can’t handle being told they might not be right in all things, as the ability to comment has now been removed (as have all comments already made). So much for the courage of their convictions, huh?

Karen

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Bruce & Nora Mai” <casamai@…> wrote:
>
> While that last person’s criticisms had some validity (mainly about the
> cliques in some quarters), they apparently didn’t talk to many other people
> and is unfairly painting the entire con with a broad brush. Their two words
> for the con were “high school”. My two words from them are “close-minded”.
>
>
> Bruce
>
> > —–Original Message—–
> > From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> > Andrew T Trembley
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 5:05 PM
> > To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [runacc] Twitter was kind of active this weekend…
> >
> > This only gets public tweets. Mostly positive comments. A few not-so-
> > positive (like this link in @hullacostumes:
> > <http://makotohanabi.livejournal.com/15515.html
> > >). Following links back to twitter streams of people found in this
> > search will get you more discussion.
> >
> > andy
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1860 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/7/2009
Subject: Re: Twitter was kind of active this weekend…

Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> While that last person’s criticisms had some validity (mainly about the
> cliques in some quarters), they apparently didn’t talk to many other people
> and is unfairly painting the entire con with a broad brush. Their two words
> for the con were “high school”. My two words from them are “close-minded”.
>

Never said it was fair, or even representative. It’s just a personal report.

It is, however, someone that an acquaintance of mine out in Baltimore
(who works in the big green building across the parking lot from the
Crown Plaza, and who attended and had a great time) knows from local
conventions.

Because of that, I knew about it before the link showed up on twitter.
Surprised me, I figured nobody read that journal. Unfortunately, on
twitter it showed up linked by someone who has around 900 followers.

Not much that can be done about that, but I expect that all the happy,
chirpy posts from folks who had fun will balance things out.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1861 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Future Fashion Show Awards
So, over on the SLUTs list, a bit of interesting discussion popped up that
has been brought up before.

Our (meaning the Costume-Con community) philosophy is “Excellence Deserves
Recognition”. This applies to everything except for the Future Fashion Show
– there’s usually only the “Most accurate to Self” and “Most Accurate – not
by the Designer”. Nora and I are more traditionalists on this, and while
we don’t object to a couple of other awards, we think things should stay
essentially as they are. At least one of our people has said if she was
ever in a position to judge for the FFS again, she essentially said she
would ignore the standard model and give out as many awards to people she
believed deserved them.

Our general thinking is:

The FFS is not a competition in the same sense as a masquerade. But I think
some folks look at it that way.

The competition was the Folio. The challenge at the Show is for people to
reproduce the designs as faithfully as possible – not to take someone’s
design and use it as a jumping off point. My perception is that the
designer should be pleased with bringing their drawing to life as they
visualized it. Rewarding anything that fell short but looks pretty
seems…..I dunno….less than faithful to the intent of the show.

The Fashion Show is more relaxed – much like the Single Pattern show.
Making it more of a standard competition has the potential of ratcheting up
the pressure.

Frequently, the Folio has designs that are more costume than clothing – too
many more awards might skew this further, I would think. Where do you draw
the line, then? Would you have to adopt the 33% rule? Where do you draw
the line? On the other extreme, there is a danger of the whole “give
everyone an award that deserves it” more easily getting out of hand.

I’d be interested in hearing what some of you – especially Karen D. – think.

Bruce

 

Group: runacc Message: 1862 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Twitter was kind of active this weekend…

Apparently they didn’t like being challenged.

Bruce

> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> axejudge
> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:19 AM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [runacc] Re: Twitter was kind of active this weekend…
>
> And apparently s/he can’t handle being told they might not be right in all

things, as

> the ability to comment has now been removed (as have all comments already
> made). So much for the courage of their convictions, huh?
>
> Karen
>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Bruce & Nora Mai” <casamai@…> wrote:
> >
> > While that last person’s criticisms had some validity (mainly about the
> > cliques in some quarters), they apparently didn’t talk to many other

people

> > and is unfairly painting the entire con with a broad brush. Their two

words

> > for the con were “high school”. My two words from them are

“close-minded”.

> >
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> > > —–Original Message—–
> > > From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > > Andrew T Trembley
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 5:05 PM
> > > To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [runacc] Twitter was kind of active this weekend…
> > >
> > > This only gets public tweets. Mostly positive comments. A few not-so-
> > > positive (like this link in @hullacostumes:
> > > <http://makotohanabi.livejournal.com/15515.html
> > > >). Following links back to twitter streams of people found in this
> > > search will get you more discussion.
> > >
> > > andy
> >
>
>
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo!

Groups

> Links
>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1863 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Twitter was kind of active this weekend…

Her post is so weird to me I can’t say I know her as a close friend, but she’s often around east coast cons, not just anime, and always friendly, and always stops to chat, and never seems full of young cosplayers angst or anything.

Very odd, would never have thought it, and she certainly voiced no problems, nor gave me the cold shoulder at the con.

hey, no con is perfect, but plenty of other folks I only know a little, had no problem coming up to me to voice their ‘opinions’ on how things were going 😉

So I am confused

Ricky

________________________________

Apparently they didn’t like being challenged.

Bruce

>
> And apparently s/he can’t handle being told they might not be right in all

things, as

> the ability to comment has now been removed (as have all comments already
> made). So much for the courage of their convictions, huh?
>
> Karen
>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups. com, “Bruce & Nora Mai” <casamai@… > wrote:
> >
> > While that last person’s criticisms had some validity (mainly about the
> > cliques in some quarters), they apparently didn’t talk to many other

people

> > and is unfairly painting the entire con with a broad brush. Their two

words

> > for the con were “high school”. My two words from them are

“close-minded” .

> >
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> > > —–Original Message—–
> > > From: runacc@yahoogroups. com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf
> Of
> > > Andrew T Trembley
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 5:05 PM
> > > To: runacc@yahoogroups. com
> > > Subject: [runacc] Twitter was kind of active this weekend…
> > >
> > > This only gets public tweets. Mostly positive comments. A few not-so-
> > > positive (like this link in @hullacostumes:
> > > <http://makotohanabi .livejournal. com/15515. html
> > > >). Following links back to twitter streams of people found in this
> > > search will get you more discussion.
> > >
> > > andy
> >
>
>
>
>
> ———— ——— ——— ——
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo!

Groups

> Links
>
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 1864 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Twitter was kind of active this weekend…

Eh, sometimes you just have to accept that one con isn’t always everyone’s
cup of tea. Sad that it couldn’t just be expressed that way.

On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Gravely MacCabre <gravelymac@yahoo.com>wrote:

> Her post is so weird to me I can’t say I know her as a close friend, but
> she’s often around east coast cons, not just anime, and always friendly, and
> always stops to chat, and never seems full of young cosplayers angst or
> anything.
>
> Very odd, would never have thought it, and she certainly voiced no
> problems, nor gave me the cold shoulder at the con.
>
> hey, no con is perfect, but plenty of other folks I only know a little, had
> no problem coming up to me to voice their ‘opinions’ on how things were
> going 😉
>
> So I am confused
>
>
> Ricky
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 1865 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show Awards

I think Fashion Show awards should be minimal.

Like you said– Best as executed by Designer and Best as executed by Non-Designer.

The real competition was the design contest, and getting into the folio, so the participants are already making up designs that have won something.

Think of the FFS as a showcase, and fun, vs. OMG another competition.

But I can see where some will not want to put forth the time and effort unless there are multiple awards involved.

If somebody has a better model, let’s hear discussion.

Back in the day (Trek conventions in the 80’s run by Bjo Triimble), there were NO awards for being in the FFS–it was just a cool way to make another costume for the convention and be on stage a second time.

–Karen

—– Original Message —–
From: Bruce & Nora Mai
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 1:24 PM
Subject: [runacc] Future Fashion Show Awards

So, over on the SLUTs list, a bit of interesting discussion popped up that
has been brought up before.

Our (meaning the Costume-Con community) philosophy is “Excellence Deserves
Recognition”. This applies to everything except for the Future Fashion Show
– there’s usually only the “Most accurate to Self” and “Most Accurate – not
by the Designer”. Nora and I are more traditionalists on this, and while
we don’t object to a couple of other awards, we think things should stay
essentially as they are. At least one of our people has said if she was
ever in a position to judge for the FFS again, she essentially said she
would ignore the standard model and give out as many awards to people she
believed deserved them.

Our general thinking is:

The FFS is not a competition in the same sense as a masquerade. But I think
some folks look at it that way.

The competition was the Folio. The challenge at the Show is for people to
reproduce the designs as faithfully as possible – not to take someone’s
design and use it as a jumping off point. My perception is that the
designer should be pleased with bringing their drawing to life as they
visualized it. Rewarding anything that fell short but looks pretty
seems…..I dunno….less than faithful to the intent of the show.

The Fashion Show is more relaxed – much like the Single Pattern show.
Making it more of a standard competition has the potential of ratcheting up
the pressure.

Frequently, the Folio has designs that are more costume than clothing – too
many more awards might skew this further, I would think. Where do you draw
the line, then? Would you have to adopt the 33% rule? Where do you draw
the line? On the other extreme, there is a danger of the whole “give
everyone an award that deserves it” more easily getting out of hand.

I’d be interested in hearing what some of you – especially Karen D. – think.

Bruce

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Group: runacc Message: 1866 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show Awards

I agree 100%! I love the less-a-contest aspect of the FFS.

I think my pesky Single Pattern Competition helped muddy the waters
because it does have more awards, and then the pieces were put often on
the same runway as the Future Fashion Show pieces.

Waxing pedantic: considering this from a presentation/informatics point
of view: the audience isn’t necessarily going to care/process the
information that they were seeing the end results of two different
competition/construction processes ending up on one stage; they’re just
going to hear a bunch of awards at the Fashion Show unless the script
really explains it in words of small syllables. (That’s not intended as
a slam; the show engages our visual/spacial thought processes while
really considering the rules, etc engages the literal/math processes.
It’s hard to slam back and forth between them when you are in the
audience receiving the information).

(I’ve learned a lot more about this since kicking off the SPC at CC12 as
I’ve done more public speaking/science presentations, especially
comparing the general audience talks that I do with the usually ghastly
technical presentations I have to sit through. I’d never made the
award/contest confusion connection in my head before!)

Kevin

Ricky & Karen Dick wrote:

>
>
> I think Fashion Show awards should be minimal.
>
> Like you said– Best as executed by Designer and Best as executed by
> Non-Designer.
>
> The real competition was the design contest, and getting into the
> folio, so the participants are already making up designs that have won
> something.
>
> Think of the FFS as a showcase, and fun, vs. OMG another competition.
>
> But I can see where some will not want to put forth the time and
> effort unless there are multiple awards involved.
>
> If somebody has a better model, let’s hear discussion.
>
> Back in the day (Trek conventions in the 80’s run by Bjo Triimble),
> there were NO awards for being in the FFS–it was just a cool way to
> make another costume for the convention and be on stage a second time.
>
> –Karen
>
> _,_._,___

 

Group: runacc Message: 1867 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show Awards

People seemed to LOVE the Single Pattern being combined with the Social, so that may be the solution to the confusion of mixing Single Pattern and FFS on Sunday.

I think Single Pattern is a really cool concept (thanks, Kevin!), and want to make sure it stays in the mix at CC.

–Karen

—– Original Message —–
From: Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Future Fashion Show Awards

I agree 100%! I love the less-a-contest aspect of the FFS.

I think my pesky Single Pattern Competition helped muddy the waters
because it does have more awards, and then the pieces were put often on
the same runway as the Future Fashion Show pieces.

Waxing pedantic: considering this from a presentation/informatics point
of view: the audience isn’t necessarily going to care/process the
information that they were seeing the end results of two different
competition/construction processes ending up on one stage; they’re just
going to hear a bunch of awards at the Fashion Show unless the script
really explains it in words of small syllables. (That’s not intended as
a slam; the show engages our visual/spacial thought processes while
really considering the rules, etc engages the literal/math processes.
It’s hard to slam back and forth between them when you are in the
audience receiving the information).

(I’ve learned a lot more about this since kicking off the SPC at CC12 as
I’ve done more public speaking/science presentations, especially
comparing the general audience talks that I do with the usually ghastly
technical presentations I have to sit through. I’d never made the
award/contest confusion connection in my head before!)

Kevin

Ricky & Karen Dick wrote:
>
>
> I think Fashion Show awards should be minimal.
>
> Like you said– Best as executed by Designer and Best as executed by
> Non-Designer.
>
> The real competition was the design contest, and getting into the
> folio, so the participants are already making up designs that have won
> something.
>
> Think of the FFS as a showcase, and fun, vs. OMG another competition.
>
> But I can see where some will not want to put forth the time and
> effort unless there are multiple awards involved.
>
> If somebody has a better model, let’s hear discussion.
>
> Back in the day (Trek conventions in the 80’s run by Bjo Triimble),
> there were NO awards for being in the FFS–it was just a cool way to
> make another costume for the convention and be on stage a second time.
>
> –Karen
>
> _,_._,___

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Group: runacc Message: 1868 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show Awards/singlepattern
Karen Wrote:

People seemed to LOVE the Single Pattern being combined with the Social,
****Thanks. If always loves single pattern, just hated the perception that it was hurting the fashion show, So the thought of picking patterns that could, if people wanted, be made up into our theme, and done at the social, seemed worth a try, and something that had a very small chance of failure
I must admit that I did it fir two reasons.
1st to see if the fashion show would be in good shape without it
2nd, to give a bit of focus for people to make something new for friday night.

I did originally think it would be DURING the actual social, and that at some point, folks would walk a stage/platform, something, like we did in
des moines for people simply showing off their movie based costumes.

While i never expected it to turn into a fourth masquerade ( almost)

when we asked Ann and Ric to Run it, we gave them a wide berth, as we did ALL our committee heads, and my thought is that they felt it deserved a little more attention, than I originally did.
And I think Marty and I were right in letting them do as they pleased, it was a nice way to start the weekend, and I believe there were more entries in
single pattern than either the historical or the fashion show. Hey, apples and oranges there in some ways, so not fair to compare, but I think there was 31 single patterns, so, yup, they deserved the extra effort that Ric and Ann gave them.

the only complaint was sound. easily fixed next time.
Ricky

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Group: runacc Message: 1869 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show Awards/singlepattern

It definitely seemed like separating the SP from the Fashion Show was a good
idea. I like the idea of it being part of the Social. The problem with the
SP this time was a number of people were not aware of it going on. Also,
the show was not officially covered by video.

But that is another discussion. I would like to return to my original
question for more discussion, re: multiple awards in the FFS.

I thought of two additional problems:

First, I would be insulted if someone “re-imagined” my design because they
didn’t like something about it, changed it so it only partially looked like
my sketch, and yet got an award for it.

Second, I would think that multiple awards would necessitate the imposition
of the Skills Divisions to make it more fair for the novice sewers vs.
people who’ve been doing these for a very long time.

Bruce

> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Gravely MacCabre
> Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 6:44 PM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [runacc] Future Fashion Show Awards/singlepattern
>
>
>
>
>
> Karen Wrote:
>
> People seemed to LOVE the Single Pattern being combined with the Social,
> ****Thanks. If always loves single pattern, just hated the perception that

it was

> hurting the fashion show, So the thought of picking patterns that could,

if people

> wanted, be made up into our theme, and done at the social, seemed worth a

try,

> and something that had a very small chance of failure
> I must admit that I did it fir two reasons.
> 1st to see if the fashion show would be in good shape without it
> 2nd, to give a bit of focus for people to make something new for friday

night.

>
> I did originally think it would be DURING the actual social, and that at

some point,

> folks would walk a stage/platform, something, like we did in
> des moines for people simply showing off their movie based costumes.
>
> While i never expected it to turn into a fourth masquerade ( almost)
>
> when we asked Ann and Ric to Run it, we gave them a wide berth, as we did

ALL

> our committee heads, and my thought is that they felt it deserved a little

more

> attention, than I originally did.
> And I think Marty and I were right in letting them do as they pleased, it

was a nice

> way to start the weekend, and I believe there were more entries in
> single pattern than either the historical or the fashion show. Hey, apples

and oranges

> there in some ways, so not fair to compare, but I think there was 31

single patterns,

> so, yup, they deserved the extra effort that Ric and Ann gave them.
>
> the only complaint was sound. easily fixed next time.
> Ricky

 

Group: runacc Message: 1870 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show Awards/singlepattern

Bruce,’

sorry for the topic highjack.

awards,
I think the basic 2 is fine, I am also cool with a BIS and a BIS workmanship.

I still chuckle at the silliness of me getting a workmanship award at cc-9 for the 4=5 sequin appliqué stars I made for Patty Gills American Flag dress for her.
nice to be appreciated and thanks, but sorta un unnecessary

so is this something we are trying to get a leadership council type feel for, and then hope fashion show directors might take advice?

I don’t know who is running the show for 28, but Jill Eastlake is for 29 I believe

so how do they learn what the council elders ( not taking that seriously, very tongue and cheek) think is best.
and how do we back off from the excellence deserves reward that so many of us have been singing for so long, in this one instance, or do you want it put into the cc constitution, which would not take effect till cc-31.

just wondering where the discussion leads us.

Gravely MacCabre
http://www.castleblood.com
http://www.midnightmonsterhop.com
http://www.myspace.com/thecastleblood
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________________________________
From: Bruce & Nora Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2009 8:15:45 PM
Subject: RE: [runacc] Future Fashion Show Awards/singlepattern

It definitely seemed like separating the SP from the Fashion Show was a good
idea. I like the idea of it being part of the Social. The problem with the
SP this time was a number of people were not aware of it going on. Also,
the show was not officially covered by video.

But that is another discussion. I would like to return to my original
question for more discussion, re: multiple awards in the FFS.

I thought of two additional problems:

First, I would be insulted if someone “re-imagined” my design because they
didn’t like something about it, changed it so it only partially looked like
my sketch, and yet got an award for it.

Second, I would think that multiple awards would necessitate the imposition
of the Skills Divisions to make it more fair for the novice sewers vs.
people who’ve been doing these for a very long time.

Bruce

> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups. com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
> Gravely MacCabre
> Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 6:44 PM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups. com
> Subject: Re: [runacc] Future Fashion Show Awards/singlepatter n
>
>
>
>
>
> Karen Wrote:
>
> People seemed to LOVE the Single Pattern being combined with the Social,
> ****Thanks. If always loves single pattern, just hated the perception that

it was

> hurting the fashion show, So the thought of picking patterns that could,

if people

> wanted, be made up into our theme, and done at the social, seemed worth a

try,

> and something that had a very small chance of failure
> I must admit that I did it fir two reasons.
> 1st to see if the fashion show would be in good shape without it
> 2nd, to give a bit of focus for people to make something new for friday

night.

>
> I did originally think it would be DURING the actual social, and that at

some point,

> folks would walk a stage/platform, something, like we did in
> des moines for people simply showing off their movie based costumes.
>
> While i never expected it to turn into a fourth masquerade ( almost)
>
> when we asked Ann and Ric to Run it, we gave them a wide berth, as we did

ALL

> our committee heads, and my thought is that they felt it deserved a little

more

> attention, than I originally did.
> And I think Marty and I were right in letting them do as they pleased, it

was a nice

> way to start the weekend, and I believe there were more entries in
> single pattern than either the historical or the fashion show. Hey, apples

and oranges

> there in some ways, so not fair to compare, but I think there was 31

single patterns,

> so, yup, they deserved the extra effort that Ric and Ann gave them.
>
> the only complaint was sound. easily fixed next time.
> Ricky

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Group: runacc Message: 1871 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: single pattern
I think Eric Cannon video’d it so there is some hope.
if it is to be a separate thing, some amount of regular Masq tech needs to be part of it.

it would be nice if the main stage was set, and the ball room was used for the social, but I’m sure from hotel to hotel, there are many ways around this.

first time out, not to bad, next time some one tries it, they’ll be in good shape.
PLUS, it all depends on what patterns are picked, and how generic they can be made.

Folks likeJacqui will always go off chart somewhere great, but most people want something relatively easy they can do some cool embellishment on.

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Group: runacc Message: 1872 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: single pattern

I have to admit I liked the idea of it being done like a cafe fashion
show… with the pieces being presented in the social while folks were
there, with a route between the tables and a platform or two for focus.

If you could have fixed lighting instruments to highlight those (small)
risers, it could be a very effective and intimate way to both show off
the Single Pattern entries and encourage social mixing.

Kevin

Gravely MacCabre wrote:

>
>
> I think Eric Cannon video’d it so there is some hope.
> if it is to be a separate thing, some amount of regular Masq tech
> needs to be part of it.
>
> it would be nice if the main stage was set, and the ball room was used
> for the social, but I’m sure from hotel to hotel, there are many ways
> around this.
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1873 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: single pattern

Kevin,
I agree,intimate, fun, and a different viewpoint than just another stage event.

My only concern is with the way we MIGHT have done that, would people actually shut up during the social to do it, so to give the entrants a bit of respect.
just comes to mind, in the face of Thomas Atkinson haveing trouble even getting 25 year cc vets to pipe down while he was trying to run some contest things at the social. most people didn’t care.

Gravely MacCabre
http://www.castleblood.com
http://www.midnightmonsterhop.com
http://www.myspace.com/thecastleblood
http://www.myspace.com/midnightmonsterhop
clip samples at
http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood

________________________________
From: “Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair” <chair@cc26.org>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2009 9:03:33 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] single pattern

I have to admit I liked the idea of it being done like a cafe fashion
show… with the pieces being presented in the social while folks were
there, with a route between the tables and a platform or two for focus.

If you could have fixed lighting instruments to highlight those (small)
risers, it could be a very effective and intimate way to both show off
the Single Pattern entries and encourage social mixing.

Kevin

Gravely MacCabre wrote:

>
>
> I think Eric Cannon video’d it so there is some hope.
> if it is to be a separate thing, some amount of regular Masq tech
> needs to be part of it.
>
> it would be nice if the main stage was set, and the ball room was used
> for the social, but I’m sure from hotel to hotel, there are many ways
> around this.
>

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Group: runacc Message: 1874 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show Awards/singlepattern
Probably sticking my foot in where it doesn’t belong, but I trust y’all can
understand I’m arguing devil’s advocate, not trying to be mean or mad at
someone.

I’d just like to clarify why we think the FFS shouldn’t have many awards.
Is it because it’s not a contest where we just want to have fun? Then yes,
it should be awardless, or few awards. Or is it because things that are
already designed just aren’t as good as things designed by the maker? I
think conversation has been skirting this without actually saying it, so I
thought I’d bring it into the open. Even while obeying the picture and the
description 100% people can vary wildly in their choices within that frame.
Is that somehow less deserving of recognition than something designed and
made by the same person?

~Aurora

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Group: runacc Message: 1875 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show Awards/singlepattern
aurora asks about perceptions about designer made vs non designer.

for me, that’s never a problem. okay sure, over the years I’ve seen a few things that were chosen that didn’t live up to the drawing, but I thought that was the whole fun of it, to see what other people design, and how you can figure out what they intended.

so surely I can’t answer for all, but to be honest, I always thought the opposite, it was EASIER for the designer to get it right,lso kudos belonged to the non designer even more.
in fact, I know of a few times ( names withheld) that the costume has already been made BEFORE the design was sent in to the folio contest.

Ricky

________________________________
From: Aurora Celeste <auroraceleste@gmail.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2009 10:19:13 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Future Fashion Show Awards/singlepattern

Probably sticking my foot in where it doesn’t belong, but I trust y’all can
understand I’m arguing devil’s advocate, not trying to be mean or mad at
someone.

I’d just like to clarify why we think the FFS shouldn’t have many awards.
Is it because it’s not a contest where we just want to have fun? Then yes,
it should be awardless, or few awards. Or is it because things that are
already designed just aren’t as good as things designed by the maker? I
think conversation has been skirting this without actually saying it, so I
thought I’d bring it into the open. Even while obeying the picture and the
description 100% people can vary wildly in their choices within that frame.
Is that somehow less deserving of recognition than something designed and
made by the same person?

~Aurora

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Group: runacc Message: 1876 From: von_drago Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: single pattern & Social

Or just a pre-defined open area of the Social.

I really liked the SP on Friday night but definitely feel it would be nice to have it included in the Social somehow.

And the reason people wouldn’t quiet down for the contests at the Social is that no one knew they were going on, for most of us it just seemed to be a lot of disorganized shouting. It took awhile to catch on that there was some sort of “planned” activity.

Maybe it should have been announced? Or did we miss that because we were in the other room during the SP event?

Nora

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Gravely MacCabre <gravelymac@…> wrote:
> Kevin,
> I agree,intimate, fun, and a different viewpoint than just another stage event.
>
> My only concern is with the way we MIGHT have done that, would people actually shut up during the social to do it, so to give the entrants a bit of respect.
> just comes to mind, in the face of Thomas Atkinson haveing trouble even getting 25 year cc vets to pipe down while he was trying to run some contest things at the social. most people didn’t care.
> ________________________________
> From: “Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair” <chair@…>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2009 9:03:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [runacc] single pattern
> I have to admit I liked the idea of it being done like a cafe fashion
> show… with the pieces being presented in the social while folks were
> there, with a route between the tables and a platform or two for focus.
>
> If you could have fixed lighting instruments to highlight those (small)
> risers, it could be a very effective and intimate way to both show off
> the Single Pattern entries and encourage social mixing.

 

Group: runacc Message: 1877 From: von_drago Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show Awards/singlepattern

Good question, Aurora.
I agree with Ricky that part of the fun is seeing what people do with your designs but the designs aren’t meant as a starting point for the Fashion Show – they’re the goal; how close can I get to the Designer’s intent?

Of course there are always variations but the designs aren’t meant as suggestions. The point isn’t Designer vs Non-Designer, it’s how close can you get to the design.

Nora

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Gravely MacCabre <gravelymac@…> wrote:
>
> aurora asks about perceptions about designer made vs non designer.
>
> for me, that’s never a problem. okay sure, over the years I’ve seen a few things that were chosen that didn’t live up to the drawing, but I thought that was the whole fun of it, to see what other people design, and how you can figure out what they intended.
>
> so surely I can’t answer for all, but to be honest, I always thought the opposite, it was EASIER for the designer to get it right,lso kudos belonged to the non designer even more.
> in fact, I know of a few times ( names withheld) that the costume has already been made BEFORE the design was sent in to the folio contest.
>
> Ricky
> ________________________________
> From: Aurora Celeste <auroraceleste@…>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2009 10:19:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [runacc] Future Fashion Show Awards/singlepattern
>
> Probably sticking my foot in where it doesn’t belong, but I trust y’all can
> understand I’m arguing devil’s advocate, not trying to be mean or mad at
> someone.
>
> I’d just like to clarify why we think the FFS shouldn’t have many awards.
> Is it because it’s not a contest where we just want to have fun? Then yes,
> it should be awardless, or few awards. Or is it because things that are
> already designed just aren’t as good as things designed by the maker? I
> think conversation has been skirting this without actually saying it, so I
> thought I’d bring it into the open. Even while obeying the picture and the
> description 100% people can vary wildly in their choices within that frame.
> Is that somehow less deserving of recognition than something designed and
> made by the same person?
>
> ~Aurora

 

Group: runacc Message: 1878 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: single pattern & Social

It also doesn’t help one bit that the acoustics of the atrium suck. Ok,
so they’re not so bad when you’re singing the Hallelujah Chorus, but
that’s generally 30 people or more singing the same thing, intending to
bounce the sound off the ceiling. For someone with a hearing problem
(*waves*) most of what was said on microphone was completely
incomprehensible unless you were within 20 feet of the amplifier.

I was also wondering from a photography standpoint who was taking
official photos of the SP contest. Were there any?

Regarding the awards, I don’t think turning the event into an
award-laden thing will matter as much. People like to get strokes, and
that’s what the awards are about. If a few more than just Best by
Designer and Non-Designer are awarded, I don’t see a lot of harm.

Was there griping? I didn’t hear any, but then I’ve got faulty hearing
and I was a little distracted at the con…

-b

von_drago wrote:

> Or just a pre-defined open area of the Social.
>
> I really liked the SP on Friday night but definitely feel it would be
> nice to have it included in the Social somehow.
>
> And the reason people wouldn’t quiet down for the contests at the Social
> is that no one knew they were going on, for most of us it just seemed to
> be a lot of disorganized shouting. It took awhile to catch on that there
> was some sort of “planned” activity.
>
> Maybe it should have been announced? Or did we miss that because we were
> in the other room during the SP event?
>
> Nora



Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

Group: runacc Message: 1879 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 5/9/2009
Subject: Re: single pattern & Social

Nora,
I think it just suffered from no central place of authority. so hard to get attention.
We made a great hang out and chat space, and then wanted a central focus, well, that wasn’t as easy as we thought.

if it was all one event, and in one place, you’re right, easier to get a handle on it all

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________________________________
From: von_drago <von_drago@yahoo.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2009 11:34:13 PM
Subject: [runacc] Re: single pattern & Social

Or just a pre-defined open area of the Social.

I really liked the SP on Friday night but definitely feel it would be nice to have it included in the Social somehow.

And the reason people wouldn’t quiet down for the contests at the Social is that no one knew they were going on, for most of us it just seemed to be a lot of disorganized shouting. It took awhile to catch on that there was some sort of “planned” activity.

Maybe it should have been announced? Or did we miss that because we were in the other room during the SP event?

Nora

— In runacc@yahoogroups. com, Gravely MacCabre <gravelymac@ …> wrote:
> Kevin,
> I agree,intimate, fun, and a different viewpoint than just another stage event.
>
> My only concern is with the way we MIGHT have done that, would people actually shut up during the social to do it, so to give the entrants a bit of respect.
> just comes to mind, in the face of Thomas Atkinson haveing trouble even getting 25 year cc vets to pipe down while he was trying to run some contest things at the social. most people didn’t care.
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: “Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair” <chair@…>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2009 9:03:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [runacc] single pattern
> I have to admit I liked the idea of it being done like a cafe fashion
> show… with the pieces being presented in the social while folks were
> there, with a route between the tables and a platform or two for focus.
>
> If you could have fixed lighting instruments to highlight those (small)
> risers, it could be a very effective and intimate way to both show off
> the Single Pattern entries and encourage social mixing.

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Group: runacc Message: 1880 From: Martin Gear Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: single pattern

This is one of the few disadvantages of having CC move to different
venues each year. [And NO! I am not volunteering for anything right
now.] Now were we to be having Costume Con in the same hotel next year,
we could easily plan to do the Single Pattern Contest in the front of
the atrium as a part of the Social with the platforms and some lights
set up against the wall by the Dulaney Room. It would only involve
slight re-arranging of the furniture. But I’m certain that Henry’s hotel
is laid out completely differently, and his committee probably has a
completely different set of ideas as to how things can or should be
run. But I agree with the sentiment that I’d like to see the Single
Pattern contest integrated with the Friday night social.

^M^

Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair wrote:

>
>
> I have to admit I liked the idea of it being done like a cafe fashion
> show… with the pieces being presented in the social while folks were
> there, with a route between the tables and a platform or two for focus.
>
> If you could have fixed lighting instruments to highlight those (small)
> risers, it could be a very effective and intimate way to both show off
> the Single Pattern entries and encourage social mixing.
>
> Kevin
>
> Gravely MacCabre wrote:
> >
> >
> > I think Eric Cannon video’d it so there is some hope.
> > if it is to be a separate thing, some amount of regular Masq tech
> > needs to be part of it.
> >
> > it would be nice if the main stage was set, and the ball room was used
> > for the social, but I’m sure from hotel to hotel, there are many ways
> > around this.
> >
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 1881 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: single pattern during the Social

Speaking as a moderate number of years veteran, we couldn’t even hear what
Thom was saying across the room, and weren’t really interested. I think
people prefer to mingle, roaming from table to table, rather than stay in
one place. The social for CC22 worked well because the theme incorporated
a peri-oid band and people mingled just as they would at a speakeasy.

The theme for CC16 worked well because rather than costumes per se, people
were taking on prom stereotypes. Glen Boetcher’s janitor announcing he had
arrived to clean up the vomit was priceless. And Stephen and Marian Clark’s
sleazy salesman and aging cheerleader were absolutely frightening.
Entertainment at a Social that restricts people’s movement (by feeling they
have to at least be polite and pay some attention to what’s going on) will
never be as successful as a mixer environment. We’re dealing with short
attention spans.

I wasn’t getting the whole silly awards thing that was going on, and (oddly)
the awards tended to go more towards women – there was only one “villain”.

Bruce

—–Original Message—–

> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Gravely MacCabre
> Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:18 PM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [runacc] single pattern
>
> Kevin,
> I agree,intimate, fun, and a different viewpoint than just another stage

event.

>
> My only concern is with the way we MIGHT have done that, would people

actually

> shut up during the social to do it, so to give the entrants a bit of

respect.

> just comes to mind, in the face of Thomas Atkinson haveing trouble even

getting 25

> year cc vets to pipe down while he was trying to run some contest things

at the

> social. most people didn’t care.
>
> Gravely MacCabre
> http://www.castleblood.com
> http://www.midnightmonsterhop.com
> http://www.myspace.com/thecastleblood
> http://www.myspace.com/midnightmonsterhop
> clip samples at
> http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: “Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair” <chair@cc26.org>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2009 9:03:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [runacc] single pattern
>
>
>
>
>
> I have to admit I liked the idea of it being done like a cafe fashion
> show… with the pieces being presented in the social while folks were
> there, with a route between the tables and a platform or two for focus.
>
> If you could have fixed lighting instruments to highlight those (small)
> risers, it could be a very effective and intimate way to both show off
> the Single Pattern entries and encourage social mixing.
>
> Kevin
>
> Gravely MacCabre wrote:
> >
> >
> > I think Eric Cannon video’d it so there is some hope.
> > if it is to be a separate thing, some amount of regular Masq tech
> > needs to be part of it.
> >
> > it would be nice if the main stage was set, and the ball room was used
> > for the social, but I’m sure from hotel to hotel, there are many ways
> > around this.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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Group: runacc Message: 1882 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show Awards/singlepattern

I agree with the designer vs. non-designer thing up to a point. But if
your award is “close, but no cigar”, well, it incongruent to me.

Submitting a design when the thing is already made up seems like
“sand-bagging” to me. Also, there’s the type who believe only they can do
their design correctly, therefore they will submit only one design and then
reserve it for themselves.

????????

In my opinion, if you can’t communicate your vision so that someone in the
Show whomp it up, then maybe you’re not that good a designer.

Bruce

> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Gravely MacCabre
> Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 10:20 PM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [runacc] Future Fashion Show Awards/singlepattern
>
> aurora asks about perceptions about designer made vs non designer.
>
> for me, that’s never a problem. okay sure, over the years I’ve seen a few

things

> that were chosen that didn’t live up to the drawing, but I thought that

was the whole

> fun of it, to see what other people design, and how you can figure out

what they

> intended.
>
> so surely I can’t answer for all, but to be honest, I always thought the

opposite, it

> was EASIER for the designer to get it right,lso kudos belonged to the non

designer

> even more.
> in fact, I know of a few times ( names withheld) that the costume has

already been

> made BEFORE the design was sent in to the folio contest.
>
> Ricky
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Aurora Celeste <auroraceleste@gmail.com>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2009 10:19:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [runacc] Future Fashion Show Awards/singlepattern
>
>
>
>
>
> Probably sticking my foot in where it doesn’t belong, but I trust y’all

can

> understand I’m arguing devil’s advocate, not trying to be mean or mad at
> someone.
>
> I’d just like to clarify why we think the FFS shouldn’t have many awards.
> Is it because it’s not a contest where we just want to have fun? Then

yes,

> it should be awardless, or few awards. Or is it because things that are
> already designed just aren’t as good as things designed by the maker? I
> think conversation has been skirting this without actually saying it, so I
> thought I’d bring it into the open. Even while obeying the picture and

the

> description 100% people can vary wildly in their choices within that

frame.

> Is that somehow less deserving of recognition than something designed and
> made by the same person?
>
> ~Aurora
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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Group: runacc Message: 1883 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: single pattern & Social

No – there wasn’t any griping by contestants – it was by some judges at a
previous CC.

Again – where do you draw the line, though? How many is a “few”? The
nameless judge I initially referred to would have given recognition to at
least half of the participants for at least *something*. I certainly want
to encourage people’s efforts but don’t make it meaningless, is all I’m
saying.

If you just state upfront, as it has been in the past, that there are only 2
awards (or whatever), most people are fine with it.

Bruce

> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Betsy Delaney
> Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 10:44 PM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: single pattern & Social
>
>
> Regarding the awards, I don’t think turning the event into an
> award-laden thing will matter as much. People like to get strokes, and
> that’s what the awards are about. If a few more than just Best by
> Designer and Non-Designer are awarded, I don’t see a lot of harm.
>
> Was there griping? I didn’t hear any, but then I’ve got faulty hearing
> and I was a little distracted at the con…
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1884 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Future Fashion Show Awards

I guess that’s what I’m running past the “tribal elders”, but I’m also
curious to see how “Mom” feels about it – which she’s already expressed her
opinion about. While I think experimentation is a good thing, there’s
always someone who goes to far and things get out of hand. For some
reason, I’m concerned tat the Fashion Show would break down into a T-Ball
League situation where everyone would get a trophy for participating (come
to think of it – everyone did get a certificate for participating.
Hmmmm….). Maybe I’m wrong – most of the CC masquerades have not fallen
into that trap, but there was one or two that got awfully close.

Maybe I’m out of line here. While you make a valid point about the whole
recognition system being somewhat contradicted by the Fashion Show, I think
there’s validity to having something different from all the others. Without
trying to repeat myself too much, is recognizing someone’s workmanship –
even if they weren’t the most accurate at interpreting a design – defeating
the purpose of the what the Show is about? If someone does a so-so job at
the look of a coat, for instance — but they hand-beaded the crystal drops
that dangle from the sleeves — do they deserve an award? Or does one say,
“Wow, they went to a lot of trouble to do that hand-beading – too bad they
didn’t put as much into the rest of the coat”? Am I making sense?

Bruce

> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Gravely MacCabre
> Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 7:41 PM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [runacc] Future Fashion Show Awards/singlepattern
>
>
> so is this something we are trying to get a leadership council type feel

for, and then

> hope fashion show directors might take advice?
>
> I don’t know who is running the show for 28, but Jill Eastlake is for 29 I

believe

>
> so how do they learn what the council elders ( not taking that seriously,

very tongue

> and cheek) think is best.
> and how do we back off from the excellence deserves reward that so many of

us

> have been singing for so long, in this one instance, or do you want it put

into the cc

> constitution, which would not take effect till cc-31.
>
> just wondering where the discussion leads us.
>
> Gravely MacCabre

 

Group: runacc Message: 1885 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show Awards

I agree with Karen, with the addition of a Best Workmanship
award. Maybe you weren’t able to get everything absolutely exact to
the design, but if the design called for large amounts of (handwork,
embroidery (hand or machine), any other specialized craft, pick one)
and it was executed flawlessly, I can see a Workmanship award being
given. It should be optional, while the Designer/Non-Designer ones
should be given always.

Note – having made up many of our own designs, sometimes it’s not so
easy to create for real what you draw….

Sandy

At 04:35 PM 5/9/2009, you wrote:

>I think Fashion Show awards should be minimal.
>
>Like you said– Best as executed by Designer and Best as executed by
>Non-Designer.
>
>The real competition was the design contest, and getting into the
>folio, so the participants are already making up designs that have
>won something.
>
>Think of the FFS as a showcase, and fun, vs. OMG another competition.
>
>But I can see where some will not want to put forth the time and
>effort unless there are multiple awards involved.
>
>If somebody has a better model, let’s hear discussion.
>
>Back in the day (Trek conventions in the 80’s run by Bjo Triimble),
>there were NO awards for being in the FFS–it was just a cool way to
>make another costume for the convention and be on stage a second time.
>
>–Karen
>
>—– Original Message —–
>From: Bruce & Nora Mai
>To: <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>runacc@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 1:24 PM
>Subject: [runacc] Future Fashion Show Awards
>
>Our (meaning the Costume-Con community) philosophy is “Excellence Deserves
>Recognition”. This applies to everything except for the Future Fashion Show
>- there’s usually only the “Most accurate to Self” and “Most Accurate – not
>by the Designer”. Nora and I are more traditionalists on this, and while
>we don’t object to a couple of other awards, we think things should stay
>essentially as they are. At least one of our people has said if she was
>ever in a position to judge for the FFS again, she essentially said she
>would ignore the standard model and give out as many awards to people she
>believed deserved them.
>
>Our general thinking is:
>
>The FFS is not a competition in the same sense as a masquerade. But I think
>some folks look at it that way.
>
>The competition was the Folio. The challenge at the Show is for people to
>reproduce the designs as faithfully as possible – not to take someone’s
>design and use it as a jumping off point.
>Bruce

“Those Who Fail to Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly –
Why They Are Simply Doomed.”

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C. Y. 4971

Andromeda

 

Group: runacc Message: 1886 From: Karen Heim Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show Awards/singlepattern

SP: not announced; I found out it had moved by accident.
Steward took photos.

FFS: Regarding instituting the division system – well,
yeah. The lack of divisions may eventually become the
sticking point. Why participate when you know you have no
chance of winning? People take the Folio Show very
seriously, and work hard to bring the designer’s creation
to life – but for what?

Trying to get the designer’s vision right seems to me to
be much more difficult than tweaking a provided pattern
(i.e. SP); you’re starting from scratch, from nothing but
a drawing (which may or may not be good, depending on the
talent of the designer) and a description. It requires
more skill.

I believe in fewer awards in SP and more in FFS.

Karen (not the momma)

On Sat, 9 May 2009 19:15:45 -0500
“Bruce & Nora Mai” <casamai@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> It definitely seemed like separating the SP from the
>Fashion Show was a good
> idea. I like the idea of it being part of the Social.
> The problem with the
> SP this time was a number of people were not aware of it
>going on. Also,
> the show was not officially covered by video.
>
> But that is another discussion. I would like to return
>to my original
> question for more discussion, re: multiple awards in the
>FFS.
>
> I thought of two additional problems:
>
>First, I would be insulted if someone “re-imagined” my
>design because they
> didn’t like something about it, changed it so it only
>partially looked like
> my sketch, and yet got an award for it.
>
> Second, I would think that multiple awards would
>necessitate the imposition
> of the Skills Divisions to make it more fair for the
>novice sewers vs.
> people who’ve been doing these for a very long time.
>
> Bruce
>
>> —–Original Message—–
>> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
>>[mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
>> Gravely MacCabre
>> Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 6:44 PM
>> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [runacc] Future Fashion Show
>>Awards/singlepattern
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Karen Wrote:
>>
>> People seemed to LOVE the Single Pattern being combined
>>with the Social,
>> ****Thanks. If always loves single pattern, just hated
>>the perception that
> it was
>> hurting the fashion show, So the thought of picking
>>patterns that could,
> if people
>> wanted, be made up into our theme, and done at the
>>social, seemed worth a
> try,
>> and something that had a very small chance of failure
>> I must admit that I did it fir two reasons.
>> 1st to see if the fashion show would be in good shape
>>without it
>> 2nd, to give a bit of focus for people to make something
>>new for friday
> night.
>>
>> I did originally think it would be DURING the actual
>>social, and that at
> some point,
>> folks would walk a stage/platform, something, like we
>>did in
>> des moines for people simply showing off their movie
>>based costumes.
>>
>> While i never expected it to turn into a fourth
>>masquerade ( almost)
>>
>> when we asked Ann and Ric to Run it, we gave them a wide
>>berth, as we did
> ALL
>> our committee heads, and my thought is that they felt it
>>deserved a little
> more
>> attention, than I originally did.
>> And I think Marty and I were right in letting them do as
>>they pleased, it
> was a nice
>> way to start the weekend, and I believe there were more
>>entries in
>> single pattern than either the historical or the fashion
>>show. Hey, apples
> and oranges
>> there in some ways, so not fair to compare, but I think
>>there was 31
> single patterns,
>> so, yup, they deserved the extra effort that Ric and Ann
>>gave them.
>>
>> the only complaint was sound. easily fixed next time.
>> Ricky
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1887 From: Tina Connell Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: single pattern & Social

I asked Vicki Warren if Ken had been photographer for the SPC, and she said No, that as far as she knew no one had done photos. I saw Eric Cannon doing video next to the judges’ table also, so there is some record, at least.

Incidentally, if anyone took a candid of Byron’s & my SPC outfits, I’d be very happy to get a copy. Since we were in costume, we didn’t carry our camera and as a result missed out on getting photos of a lot of wonderful creations.

Tina

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Betsy Delaney <aramintamd@…> wrote:
>
> It also doesn’t help one bit that the acoustics of the atrium suck. Ok,
> so they’re not so bad when you’re singing the Hallelujah Chorus, but
> that’s generally 30 people or more singing the same thing, intending to
> bounce the sound off the ceiling. For someone with a hearing problem
> (*waves*) most of what was said on microphone was completely
> incomprehensible unless you were within 20 feet of the amplifier.
>
> I was also wondering from a photography standpoint who was taking
> official photos of the SP contest. Were there any?
>
> Regarding the awards, I don’t think turning the event into an
> award-laden thing will matter as much. People like to get strokes, and
> that’s what the awards are about. If a few more than just Best by
> Designer and Non-Designer are awarded, I don’t see a lot of harm.
>
> Was there griping? I didn’t hear any, but then I’ve got faulty hearing
> and I was a little distracted at the con…
>
> -b
>
> —
> Betsy Marks Delaney
>
> http://www.hawkeswood.com/
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1888 From: von_drago Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Division System in Auxiliary events
An argument could be made (not by me, just devil’s advocating here) that the division system should be used in the FFS & SP & Doll Contest & etc. because who wants to have to compete against Jacqui Ward if they don’t have to?

But that adds a whole new level of complication to events that were originally (I think) meant to just be additional fun things to fill out the weekend.

Thoughts?

Nora

 

Group: runacc Message: 1889 From: Tina Connell Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: single pattern during the Social (sound and lighting)

We’ve attended quite a few Socials over the years, and quite frankly, there were several from which we fled within minutes because we were driven (forcibly) from the room by overly-amplified “music” (for which, read “noise”). Cons which hired a DJ for the event have been particularly prone to this; in general DJ’s seem to feel that they (or their musical selections) are the center of attention, and don’t grasp the concept that the music is a background accompaniment for people who want to socialize. As a result I’m sure that we missed seeing some wonderful costumes, but it’s hard to have fun if you’re being deafened in the process, or can’t hear or be heard by people with whom you want to converse. (I’ve had my hearing tested, being as how I’m getting up to a certain age now, and it tested out extrememly good, up to the dog-whistle range in one ear, so very loud music is actually physically painful to me.)

Socials have also sometimes been quite poorly lit, to create ambiance for the evening’s theme. This is nice as a creative concept, but is not at all conducive to seeing the costumes, or photographing them.

Tina

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Bruce & Nora Mai” <casamai@…> wrote:
>
> Speaking as a moderate number of years veteran, we couldn’t even hear what
> Thom was saying across the room, and weren’t really interested. I think
> people prefer to mingle, roaming from table to table, rather than stay in
> one place. The social for CC22 worked well because the theme incorporated
> a peri-oid band and people mingled just as they would at a speakeasy.
>
> The theme for CC16 worked well because rather than costumes per se, people
> were taking on prom stereotypes. Glen Boetcher’s janitor announcing he had
> arrived to clean up the vomit was priceless. And Stephen and Marian Clark’s
> sleazy salesman and aging cheerleader were absolutely frightening.
> Entertainment at a Social that restricts people’s movement (by feeling they
> have to at least be polite and pay some attention to what’s going on) will
> never be as successful as a mixer environment. We’re dealing with short
> attention spans.
>
> I wasn’t getting the whole silly awards thing that was going on, and (oddly)
> the awards tended to go more towards women – there was only one “villain”.
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
> —–Original Message—–
> > From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> > Gravely MacCabre
> > Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:18 PM
> > To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [runacc] single pattern
> >
> > Kevin,
> > I agree,intimate, fun, and a different viewpoint than just another stage
> event.
> >
> > My only concern is with the way we MIGHT have done that, would people
> actually
> > shut up during the social to do it, so to give the entrants a bit of
> respect.
> > just comes to mind, in the face of Thomas Atkinson haveing trouble even
> getting 25
> > year cc vets to pipe down while he was trying to run some contest things
> at the
> > social. most people didn’t care.
> >
> > Gravely MacCabre
> > http://www.castleblood.com
> > http://www.midnightmonsterhop.com
> > http://www.myspace.com/thecastleblood
> > http://www.myspace.com/midnightmonsterhop
> > clip samples at
> > http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: “Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair” <chair@…>
> > To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2009 9:03:33 PM
> > Subject: Re: [runacc] single pattern
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I have to admit I liked the idea of it being done like a cafe fashion
> > show… with the pieces being presented in the social while folks were
> > there, with a route between the tables and a platform or two for focus.
> >
> > If you could have fixed lighting instruments to highlight those (small)
> > risers, it could be a very effective and intimate way to both show off
> > the Single Pattern entries and encourage social mixing.
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> > Gravely MacCabre wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > I think Eric Cannon video’d it so there is some hope.
> > > if it is to be a separate thing, some amount of regular Masq tech
> > > needs to be part of it.
> > >
> > > it would be nice if the main stage was set, and the ball room was used
> > > for the social, but I’m sure from hotel to hotel, there are many ways
> > > around this.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo!
> Groups
> > Links
> >
> >
> >
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1890 From: von_drago Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show Awards

Would more awards equal more participants? Would the promise of more possible recognition translate into people actually finishing their outfits or committing to one more readily therefore bumping up the FFS numbers?

I know of one person who reserved one of my designs who didn’t get it done therefore it wasn’t in the show. Another person said she was going to try but ended up not doing it because she didn’t have time.
Three seperate people asked me if they could do 3 different designs later since they hadn’t had time before the con.

That would have been 5 more outfits on stage had they been given more importance by their constructors & completed. Would giving more awards make it more important to them to finish the outfits?

Nora

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Ricky & Karen Dick” <castleb@…> wrote:
> I think Fashion Show awards should be minimal.
>
> Like you said– Best as executed by Designer and Best as executed by Non-Designer.
>
> The real competition was the design contest, and getting into the folio, so the participants are already making up designs that have won something.
>
> Think of the FFS as a showcase, and fun, vs. OMG another competition.
>
> But I can see where some will not want to put forth the time and effort unless there are multiple awards involved.
>
> If somebody has a better model, let’s hear discussion.
>
> Back in the day (Trek conventions in the 80’s run by Bjo Triimble), there were NO awards for being in the FFS–it was just a cool way to make another costume for the convention and be on stage a second time.
>
> –Karen
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: Bruce & Nora Mai
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 1:24 PM
> Subject: [runacc] Future Fashion Show Awards
>
>
>
>
>
> So, over on the SLUTs list, a bit of interesting discussion popped up that
> has been brought up before.
>
> Our (meaning the Costume-Con community) philosophy is “Excellence Deserves
> Recognition”. This applies to everything except for the Future Fashion Show
> – there’s usually only the “Most accurate to Self” and “Most Accurate – not
> by the Designer”. Nora and I are more traditionalists on this, and while
> we don’t object to a couple of other awards, we think things should stay
> essentially as they are. At least one of our people has said if she was
> ever in a position to judge for the FFS again, she essentially said she
> would ignore the standard model and give out as many awards to people she
> believed deserved them.
>
> Our general thinking is:
>
> The FFS is not a competition in the same sense as a masquerade. But I think
> some folks look at it that way.
>
> The competition was the Folio. The challenge at the Show is for people to
> reproduce the designs as faithfully as possible – not to take someone’s
> design and use it as a jumping off point. My perception is that the
> designer should be pleased with bringing their drawing to life as they
> visualized it. Rewarding anything that fell short but looks pretty
> seems…..I dunno….less than faithful to the intent of the show.
>
> The Fashion Show is more relaxed – much like the Single Pattern show.
> Making it more of a standard competition has the potential of ratcheting up
> the pressure.
>
> Frequently, the Folio has designs that are more costume than clothing – too
> many more awards might skew this further, I would think. Where do you draw
> the line, then? Would you have to adopt the 33% rule? Where do you draw
> the line? On the other extreme, there is a danger of the whole “give
> everyone an award that deserves it” more easily getting out of hand.
>
> I’d be interested in hearing what some of you – especially Karen D. – think.
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Group: runacc Message: 1891 From: Stephanie Carrigg Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show Awards

Adding my $0.02 cents.
I think for the times we are living in economy wise, we should be happy with the turn out of numbers that we had for all events, SP, FFS, SF&F, and Historical.
Money is tight across the board for just about everyone, and I think this needs to be factored in when seeing the numbers. Then there’s also the whole life getting in the way of our hobby that can cause folks to not get designs completed.

I was one of the folks who didn’t get the design I selected completed in time for the convention. Was it knowing that I would not get an award that stopped me from completing it? No, it was no money and having my life be really crazy busy at the moment. I had to chose my time between working on what could make me money vs. completing a costume that would cost me money that at the time I didn’t have. When the design was reserved in Dec my life was different and my financial status was also different.

Nora with your permission I’d still like to complete it and wear it as a hall costume at CC28.

I know I’ve been off the radar for a long time, and not sure how much, if any, of my opinion counts. For me I was delighted to see how many entries we had for all the events of the weekend.

Stephanie

—– Original Message —–
From: von_drago
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 10:41 AM
Subject: [runacc] Re: Future Fashion Show Awards

Would more awards equal more participants? Would the promise of more possible recognition translate into people actually finishing their outfits or committing to one more readily therefore bumping up the FFS numbers?

I know of one person who reserved one of my designs who didn’t get it done therefore it wasn’t in the show. Another person said she was going to try but ended up not doing it because she didn’t have time.
Three seperate people asked me if they could do 3 different designs later since they hadn’t had time before the con.

That would have been 5 more outfits on stage had they been given more importance by their constructors & completed. Would giving more awards make it more important to them to finish the outfits?

Nora
— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Ricky & Karen Dick” <castleb@…> wrote:
> I think Fashion Show awards should be minimal.
>
> Like you said– Best as executed by Designer and Best as executed by Non-Designer.
>
> The real competition was the design contest, and getting into the folio, so the participants are already making up designs that have won something.
>
> Think of the FFS as a showcase, and fun, vs. OMG another competition.
>
> But I can see where some will not want to put forth the time and effort unless there are multiple awards involved.
>
> If somebody has a better model, let’s hear discussion.
>
> Back in the day (Trek conventions in the 80’s run by Bjo Triimble), there were NO awards for being in the FFS–it was just a cool way to make another costume for the convention and be on stage a second time.
>
> –Karen
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: Bruce & Nora Mai
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 1:24 PM
> Subject: [runacc] Future Fashion Show Awards
>
>
>
>
>
> So, over on the SLUTs list, a bit of interesting discussion popped up that
> has been brought up before.
>
> Our (meaning the Costume-Con community) philosophy is “Excellence Deserves
> Recognition”. This applies to everything except for the Future Fashion Show
> – there’s usually only the “Most accurate to Self” and “Most Accurate – not
> by the Designer”. Nora and I are more traditionalists on this, and while
> we don’t object to a couple of other awards, we think things should stay
> essentially as they are. At least one of our people has said if she was
> ever in a position to judge for the FFS again, she essentially said she
> would ignore the standard model and give out as many awards to people she
> believed deserved them.
>
> Our general thinking is:
>
> The FFS is not a competition in the same sense as a masquerade. But I think
> some folks look at it that way.
>
> The competition was the Folio. The challenge at the Show is for people to
> reproduce the designs as faithfully as possible – not to take someone’s
> design and use it as a jumping off point. My perception is that the
> designer should be pleased with bringing their drawing to life as they
> visualized it. Rewarding anything that fell short but looks pretty
> seems…..I dunno….less than faithful to the intent of the show.
>
> The Fashion Show is more relaxed – much like the Single Pattern show.
> Making it more of a standard competition has the potential of ratcheting up
> the pressure.
>
> Frequently, the Folio has designs that are more costume than clothing – too
> many more awards might skew this further, I would think. Where do you draw
> the line, then? Would you have to adopt the 33% rule? Where do you draw
> the line? On the other extreme, there is a danger of the whole “give
> everyone an award that deserves it” more easily getting out of hand.
>
> I’d be interested in hearing what some of you – especially Karen D. – think.
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
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Group: runacc Message: 1892 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show Awards

Nora, the FFS (or whatever combination of stuff has been the Sunday afternoon event) has very consistently been 7-8% of the membership of Costume-Con pretty much for its entire history.

Ricky says this one was a little low (5-6%), but we’ve had some that were high, too, and it all seems to balance out.

The FFS events I was in in the 1970’s had lots of people making things (like many of the shows were 40 or 50 people), but the convention attendance at those cons was HUGE–
5,000 to 10,000 people.

I don’t think giving more awards (or not) will change how many people participate. The FFS is difficult for some people because it often involves drafting your own patterns to get the look right. And not everyone has mad patterning skills. Single Pattern is more friendly in that regard because the patterning is largely taken out of the equation, although you may have to modify the pattern to fit right if you are a nonstandard body type.

As for the dropouts from the FFS…it happens. Every year. Sometimes, you get into building the thing that looked simple on paper, and discover that it isn’t easy at all. I was nearly defeated this year by what should have been the “easy” parts–a t-shirt and jeans. Other times, other stuff happens (heavier workload at the real life job, illness, etc.) and the outfit doesn’t get completed.

And sometimes, you have to make choices as to which thing you’re going to finish. I started this year having every intention of doing BOTH the FFS and Single Pattern. Bought fabric for both. Then had medical issues for two months and couldn’t sew because my concentration was so screwed up from having my meds switched on a weekly basis until they found the right one. Something had to go, and it ended up being Single Pattern. I still intend to make it, as I have the pattern and fabric, and I wanted to do some serious modification to the skirt in a way no one else did. So it will get done, and worn in the future as a hall costume at another CC, and at Castle Blood, as I’m doing it in Castle colors. Actually, I did have a day and a half open right before the con in which I could have attempted it (and would have if I was 20), but I figured it was probably a good idea not to stress myself that way.

As for giving all the participants certificates (not awards, but a thank-you for participation), there’s nothing wrong with that, especially when it is largely people other than the designers making the costumes, and awards are limited. At Costume-Con 6, we gave all FFS participants a certificate of participation and a 5×7 photo of the costume they modeled. Everyone seemed pleased with that.

–Karen

—– Original Message —–
From: von_drago
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 10:41 AM
Subject: [runacc] Re: Future Fashion Show Awards

Would more awards equal more participants? Would the promise of more possible recognition translate into people actually finishing their outfits or committing to one more readily therefore bumping up the FFS numbers?

I know of one person who reserved one of my designs who didn’t get it done therefore it wasn’t in the show. Another person said she was going to try but ended up not doing it because she didn’t have time.
Three seperate people asked me if they could do 3 different designs later since they hadn’t had time before the con.

That would have been 5 more outfits on stage had they been given more importance by their constructors & completed. Would giving more awards make it more important to them to finish the outfits?

Nora
— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Ricky & Karen Dick” <castleb@…> wrote:
> I think Fashion Show awards should be minimal.
>
> Like you said– Best as executed by Designer and Best as executed by Non-Designer.
>
> The real competition was the design contest, and getting into the folio, so the participants are already making up designs that have won something.
>
> Think of the FFS as a showcase, and fun, vs. OMG another competition.
>
> But I can see where some will not want to put forth the time and effort unless there are multiple awards involved.
>
> If somebody has a better model, let’s hear discussion.
>
> Back in the day (Trek conventions in the 80’s run by Bjo Triimble), there were NO awards for being in the FFS–it was just a cool way to make another costume for the convention and be on stage a second time.
>
> –Karen
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: Bruce & Nora Mai
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 1:24 PM
> Subject: [runacc] Future Fashion Show Awards
>
>
>
>
>
> So, over on the SLUTs list, a bit of interesting discussion popped up that
> has been brought up before.
>
> Our (meaning the Costume-Con community) philosophy is “Excellence Deserves
> Recognition”. This applies to everything except for the Future Fashion Show
> – there’s usually only the “Most accurate to Self” and “Most Accurate – not
> by the Designer”. Nora and I are more traditionalists on this, and while
> we don’t object to a couple of other awards, we think things should stay
> essentially as they are. At least one of our people has said if she was
> ever in a position to judge for the FFS again, she essentially said she
> would ignore the standard model and give out as many awards to people she
> believed deserved them.
>
> Our general thinking is:
>
> The FFS is not a competition in the same sense as a masquerade. But I think
> some folks look at it that way.
>
> The competition was the Folio. The challenge at the Show is for people to
> reproduce the designs as faithfully as possible – not to take someone’s
> design and use it as a jumping off point. My perception is that the
> designer should be pleased with bringing their drawing to life as they
> visualized it. Rewarding anything that fell short but looks pretty
> seems…..I dunno….less than faithful to the intent of the show.
>
> The Fashion Show is more relaxed – much like the Single Pattern show.
> Making it more of a standard competition has the potential of ratcheting up
> the pressure.
>
> Frequently, the Folio has designs that are more costume than clothing – too
> many more awards might skew this further, I would think. Where do you draw
> the line, then? Would you have to adopt the 33% rule? Where do you draw
> the line? On the other extreme, there is a danger of the whole “give
> everyone an award that deserves it” more easily getting out of hand.
>
> I’d be interested in hearing what some of you – especially Karen D. – think.
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Group: runacc Message: 1893 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show Awards/singlepattern

And see – while I agree this would have to happen, I think having to
introduce the Skills Divisions this would take the fun out of it for some
people.

I think it’s interesting to note Karen and Ricky say that FFS percentages
have stayed the same, on average, despite worries that the SP was taking
away from it. Still keeping them separate from now is a good solution.

Bruce

> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Karen Heim
> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 2:19 AM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [runacc] Future Fashion Show Awards/singlepattern
>
>
> FFS: Regarding instituting the division system – well,
> yeah. The lack of divisions may eventually become the
> sticking point. Why participate when you know you have no
> chance of winning? People take the Folio Show very
> seriously, and work hard to bring the designer’s creation
> to life – but for what?
>
> Karen (not the momma)

 

Group: runacc Message: 1894 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show Awards
At 12:21 AM 5/10/2009, you w

Sandy largely echoes my thoughts. I’m a proponent of three awards at
the FFS: Most Accurate by Designer, Most Accurate by Non-Designer and
Best Workmanship. The Latter could easily go to one of the two
formers. Any more and we are resembling a masquerade.

Re: the Single Pattern. I’ve always been a bit ambivalent about it. I
think its a great concept, but it always seemed to diminish the FFS
when it was held. That was why we did not have one at CC24.

However, I agree that moving it to Friday night was a brilliant idea
and worked well. To have it work during the actual social, as opposed
to just before, I think we do have to have good speakers in place and
tout it as an event to draw everyone’s attention during the duration.
Just having the entries move through the tables, even with a riser or
two isn’t sufficient. You don’t need a full blown stage, but an
obvious point of attention is required.

Pierre

“Those Who Fail to Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly –
Why They Are Simply Doomed.”

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C. Y. 4971

Andromeda

 

Group: runacc Message: 1895 From: von_drago Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show Awards

I’m not actually advocating for change, I like minimal awards for both the FFS & SP. I think that keeps them more fun, less pressure.

But some folks seem to feel the FFS should have more awards. Is that a good or neccessary thing? What would having more awards actually accomplish? It might be a good thing if it would raise the number of participants but I think adding awards would also raise the expectations & stress levels.

And if we did add more awards (again, I’m not for that), shouldn’t they be consistent with the spirit of the Folio & only award achievement as regards re-creating the Designer’s “vision” rather than more general Masquerade-type awards?

I understand about the life or monetary problem interfering with getting something done, I’d ditch the FFS or SP first too. I’m just throwing out some things that crossed my mind.

And please do finish the outfit, I’d love to see it.

Nora

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Stephanie Carrigg” <bada.boom@…> wrote:
>
> Adding my $0.02 cents.
> I think for the times we are living in economy wise, we should be happy with the turn out of numbers that we had for all events, SP, FFS, SF&F, and Historical.
> Money is tight across the board for just about everyone, and I think this needs to be factored in when seeing the numbers. Then there’s also the whole life getting in the way of our hobby that can cause folks to not get designs completed.
>
> I was one of the folks who didn’t get the design I selected completed in time for the convention. Was it knowing that I would not get an award that stopped me from completing it? No, it was no money and having my life be really crazy busy at the moment. I had to chose my time between working on what could make me money vs. completing a costume that would cost me money that at the time I didn’t have. When the design was reserved in Dec my life was different and my financial status was also different.
>
> Nora with your permission I’d still like to complete it and wear it as a hall costume at CC28.
>
> I know I’ve been off the radar for a long time, and not sure how much, if any, of my opinion counts. For me I was delighted to see how many entries we had for all the events of the weekend.
>
> Stephanie
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: von_drago
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 10:41 AM
> Subject: [runacc] Re: Future Fashion Show Awards
>
>
>
>
>
> Would more awards equal more participants? Would the promise of more possible recognition translate into people actually finishing their outfits or committing to one more readily therefore bumping up the FFS numbers?
>
> I know of one person who reserved one of my designs who didn’t get it done therefore it wasn’t in the show. Another person said she was going to try but ended up not doing it because she didn’t have time.
> Three seperate people asked me if they could do 3 different designs later since they hadn’t had time before the con.
>
> That would have been 5 more outfits on stage had they been given more importance by their constructors & completed. Would giving more awards make it more important to them to finish the outfits?
>
> Nora
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Ricky & Karen Dick” <castleb@> wrote:
> > I think Fashion Show awards should be minimal.
> >
> > Like you said– Best as executed by Designer and Best as executed by Non-Designer.
> >
> > The real competition was the design contest, and getting into the folio, so the participants are already making up designs that have won something.
> >
> > Think of the FFS as a showcase, and fun, vs. OMG another competition.
> >
> > But I can see where some will not want to put forth the time and effort unless there are multiple awards involved.
> >
> > If somebody has a better model, let’s hear discussion.
> >
> > Back in the day (Trek conventions in the 80’s run by Bjo Triimble), there were NO awards for being in the FFS–it was just a cool way to make another costume for the convention and be on stage a second time.
> >
> > –Karen
> >
> > —– Original Message —–
> > From: Bruce & Nora Mai
> > To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 1:24 PM
> > Subject: [runacc] Future Fashion Show Awards
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > So, over on the SLUTs list, a bit of interesting discussion popped up that
> > has been brought up before.
> >
> > Our (meaning the Costume-Con community) philosophy is “Excellence Deserves
> > Recognition”. This applies to everything except for the Future Fashion Show
> > – there’s usually only the “Most accurate to Self” and “Most Accurate – not
> > by the Designer”. Nora and I are more traditionalists on this, and while
> > we don’t object to a couple of other awards, we think things should stay
> > essentially as they are. At least one of our people has said if she was
> > ever in a position to judge for the FFS again, she essentially said she
> > would ignore the standard model and give out as many awards to people she
> > believed deserved them.
> >
> > Our general thinking is:
> >
> > The FFS is not a competition in the same sense as a masquerade. But I think
> > some folks look at it that way.
> >
> > The competition was the Folio. The challenge at the Show is for people to
> > reproduce the designs as faithfully as possible – not to take someone’s
> > design and use it as a jumping off point. My perception is that the
> > designer should be pleased with bringing their drawing to life as they
> > visualized it. Rewarding anything that fell short but looks pretty
> > seems…..I dunno….less than faithful to the intent of the show.
> >
> > The Fashion Show is more relaxed – much like the Single Pattern show.
> > Making it more of a standard competition has the potential of ratcheting up
> > the pressure.
> >
> > Frequently, the Folio has designs that are more costume than clothing – too
> > many more awards might skew this further, I would think. Where do you draw
> > the line, then? Would you have to adopt the 33% rule? Where do you draw
> > the line? On the other extreme, there is a danger of the whole “give
> > everyone an award that deserves it” more easily getting out of hand.
> >
> > I’d be interested in hearing what some of you – especially Karen D. – think.
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
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Group: runacc Message: 1896 From: axejudge Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show Awards

Since the SP and FFS aren’t “real” competitions, like the F/SF and Historical, if a costumer gets crunched on time those two are obviously going to be the first to go.

I think some people take these more seriously than they are given credit for. Yes, it is still fun – in the way figuring out a 3D puzzle is fun. But it’s still art, it’s still being done at a level of excellence, and it doesn’t make sense to say, “Excellence deserves reward – except over here, where it doesn’t.”. It is inconsistent with our stated values.

We have thought that the Folio was the only competition, and the show was just a show. I don’t think that’s true. I think it’s 2 competitions: one for the designs, and one for the execution of the designs. In people’s minds, if you make a costume and parade on the stage, it’s a competition – they do not differentiate, and play the Sesame Street “one of these things is not like the others” game.

Karen

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “von_drago” <von_drago@…> wrote:
>
> Would more awards equal more participants? Would the promise of more possible recognition translate into people actually finishing their outfits or committing to one more readily therefore bumping up the FFS numbers?
>
> I know of one person who reserved one of my designs who didn’t get it done therefore it wasn’t in the show. Another person said she was going to try but ended up not doing it because she didn’t have time.
> Three seperate people asked me if they could do 3 different designs later since they hadn’t had time before the con.
>
> That would have been 5 more outfits on stage had they been given more importance by their constructors & completed. Would giving more awards make it more important to them to finish the outfits?
>
> Nora
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Ricky & Karen Dick” <castleb@> wrote:
> > I think Fashion Show awards should be minimal.
> >
> > Like you said– Best as executed by Designer and Best as executed by Non-Designer.
> >
> > The real competition was the design contest, and getting into the folio, so the participants are already making up designs that have won something.
> >
> > Think of the FFS as a showcase, and fun, vs. OMG another competition.
> >
> > But I can see where some will not want to put forth the time and effort unless there are multiple awards involved.
> >
> > If somebody has a better model, let’s hear discussion.
> >
> > Back in the day (Trek conventions in the 80’s run by Bjo Triimble), there were NO awards for being in the FFS–it was just a cool way to make another costume for the convention and be on stage a second time.
> >
> > –Karen
> >
> > —– Original Message —–
> > From: Bruce & Nora Mai
> > To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 1:24 PM
> > Subject: [runacc] Future Fashion Show Awards
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > So, over on the SLUTs list, a bit of interesting discussion popped up that
> > has been brought up before.
> >
> > Our (meaning the Costume-Con community) philosophy is “Excellence Deserves
> > Recognition”. This applies to everything except for the Future Fashion Show
> > – there’s usually only the “Most accurate to Self” and “Most Accurate – not
> > by the Designer”. Nora and I are more traditionalists on this, and while
> > we don’t object to a couple of other awards, we think things should stay
> > essentially as they are. At least one of our people has said if she was
> > ever in a position to judge for the FFS again, she essentially said she
> > would ignore the standard model and give out as many awards to people she
> > believed deserved them.
> >
> > Our general thinking is:
> >
> > The FFS is not a competition in the same sense as a masquerade. But I think
> > some folks look at it that way.
> >
> > The competition was the Folio. The challenge at the Show is for people to
> > reproduce the designs as faithfully as possible – not to take someone’s
> > design and use it as a jumping off point. My perception is that the
> > designer should be pleased with bringing their drawing to life as they
> > visualized it. Rewarding anything that fell short but looks pretty
> > seems…..I dunno….less than faithful to the intent of the show.
> >
> > The Fashion Show is more relaxed – much like the Single Pattern show.
> > Making it more of a standard competition has the potential of ratcheting up
> > the pressure.
> >
> > Frequently, the Folio has designs that are more costume than clothing – too
> > many more awards might skew this further, I would think. Where do you draw
> > the line, then? Would you have to adopt the 33% rule? Where do you draw
> > the line? On the other extreme, there is a danger of the whole “give
> > everyone an award that deserves it” more easily getting out of hand.
> >
> > I’d be interested in hearing what some of you – especially Karen D. – think.
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
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Group: runacc Message: 1897 From: Byron Connell Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show Awards/singlepattern

There are too many cases of entries in SF&F and Historical in which the costume was made to someone else’s design for that to be a significant factor. Pat Buard’s CC 27 Historical entry was made to a design by Christian Dior, for example.

I seem to recall from the di, dark past that the idea of minimizing awards at the FFS was to emphasize that it was a fashion show, not a competition. The only awards were “best interpretation of a design made by the designer” and “best interpretation of a design made by someone other than the designer.”

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: Gravely MacCabre<mailto:gravelymac@yahoo.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 11:19 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Future Fashion Show Awards/singlepattern

aurora asks about perceptions about designer made vs non designer.

for me, that’s never a problem. okay sure, over the years I’ve seen a few things that were chosen that didn’t live up to the drawing, but I thought that was the whole fun of it, to see what other people design, and how you can figure out what they intended.

so surely I can’t answer for all, but to be honest, I always thought the opposite, it was EASIER for the designer to get it right,lso kudos belonged to the non designer even more.
in fact, I know of a few times ( names withheld) that the costume has already been made BEFORE the design was sent in to the folio contest.

Ricky

________________________________
From: Aurora Celeste <auroraceleste@gmail.com<mailto:auroraceleste%40gmail.com>>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2009 10:19:13 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Future Fashion Show Awards/singlepattern

Probably sticking my foot in where it doesn’t belong, but I trust y’all can
understand I’m arguing devil’s advocate, not trying to be mean or mad at
someone.

I’d just like to clarify why we think the FFS shouldn’t have many awards.
Is it because it’s not a contest where we just want to have fun? Then yes,
it should be awardless, or few awards. Or is it because things that are
already designed just aren’t as good as things designed by the maker? I
think conversation has been skirting this without actually saying it, so I
thought I’d bring it into the open. Even while obeying the picture and the
description 100% people can vary wildly in their choices within that frame.
Is that somehow less deserving of recognition than something designed and
made by the same person?

~Aurora

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Group: runacc Message: 1898 From: Byron Connell Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: single pattern

I’m not sure I like the idea. If we continue to hold the Single Pattern Contest on Friday, I think that I prefer keeping it separate from the party. No matter what kind of physical set-up, the Friday Night Social is a Social. It’s where we get together to schmooze before beginning a full weekend of staged shows, workshops, and other programming. Let’s not interrupt that purpose with another staged event, even if the staging takes place on low-level stages/catwalks in the midst of the party.

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: Martin Gear<mailto:MartinGear@comcast.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 12:11 AM
Subject: Re: [runacc] single pattern

This is one of the few disadvantages of having CC move to different
venues each year. [And NO! I am not volunteering for anything right
now.] Now were we to be having Costume Con in the same hotel next year,
we could easily plan to do the Single Pattern Contest in the front of
the atrium as a part of the Social with the platforms and some lights
set up against the wall by the Dulaney Room. It would only involve
slight re-arranging of the furniture. But I’m certain that Henry’s hotel
is laid out completely differently, and his committee probably has a
completely different set of ideas as to how things can or should be
run. But I agree with the sentiment that I’d like to see the Single
Pattern contest integrated with the Friday night social.

^M^

Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair wrote:
>
>
> I have to admit I liked the idea of it being done like a cafe fashion
> show… with the pieces being presented in the social while folks were
> there, with a route between the tables and a platform or two for focus.
>
> If you could have fixed lighting instruments to highlight those (small)
> risers, it could be a very effective and intimate way to both show off
> the Single Pattern entries and encourage social mixing.
>
> Kevin
>
> Gravely MacCabre wrote:
> >
> >
> > I think Eric Cannon video’d it so there is some hope.
> > if it is to be a separate thing, some amount of regular Masq tech
> > needs to be part of it.
> >
> > it would be nice if the main stage was set, and the ball room was used
> > for the social, but I’m sure from hotel to hotel, there are many ways
> > around this.
> >
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 1899 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 5/10/2009
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show Awards/singlepattern

Re: percentages.
actually Karen is mostly right.
my stats are for the ‘sunday’ event which lumps in both ffs and sp. and it is, as she said , 7-8n %, even at a cc as small as cc-13, the numbers weigh out.

so by splitting them, we ended up OVERALL, with more people in costume, even tho the FFS dipped just a bit.

I haven’t run the lists to get out people who were in both, but I think it’ll end up being 10% of the con did one or the other.

just FYI.

and as always thanks to betsy for cc.org, so the baseball numbers crunching geek in me, has something to do.

Gravely MacCabre
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________________________________
From: Bruce & Nora Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 1:41:49 PM
Subject: RE: [runacc] Future Fashion Show Awards/singlepattern

And see – while I agree this would have to happen, I think having to
introduce the Skills Divisions this would take the fun out of it for some
people.

I think it’s interesting to note Karen and Ricky say that FFS percentages
have stayed the same, on average, despite worries that the SP was taking
away from it. Still keeping them separate from now is a good solution.

Bruce

> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups. com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
> Karen Heim
> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 2:19 AM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups. com
> Subject: Re: [runacc] Future Fashion Show Awards/singlepatter n
>
>
> FFS: Regarding instituting the division system – well,
> yeah. The lack of divisions may eventually become the
> sticking point. Why participate when you know you have no
> chance of winning? People take the Folio Show very
> seriously, and work hard to bring the designer’s creation
> to life – but for what?
>
> Karen (not the momma)

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Group: runacc Message: 1900 From: Elaine Mami Date: 5/11/2009
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show Awards

Frankly, I can think of several CCs at which I would have entered the FFS – which I do just because I like the challenge of making up someone elds’s idea – but there was no time. And there was not enough time because the folio did not come out early enough for me. It has NOTHING to do with awards. Same for the Single Pattern.

Elaine

Nil significat nisi oscillat!

Would more awards equal more participants? Would the promise of more possible recognition translate into people actually finishing their outfits or committing to one more readily therefore bumping up the FFS numbers?

I know of one person who reserved one of my designs who didn’t get it done therefore it wasn’t in the show. Another person said she was going to try but ended up not doing it because she didn’t have time.
Three seperate people asked me if they could do 3 different designs later since they hadn’t had time before the con.

That would have been 5 more outfits on stage had they been given more importance by their constructors & completed. Would giving more awards make it more important to them to finish the outfits?

Nora

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Ricky & Karen Dick” <castleb@…> wrote:
> I think Fashion Show awards should be minimal.
>
> Like you said– Best as executed by Designer and Best as executed by Non-Designer.
>
> The real competition was the design contest, and getting into the folio, so the participants are already making up designs that have won something.
>
> Think of the FFS as a showcase, and fun, vs. OMG another competition.
>
> But I can see where some will not want to put forth the time and effort unless there are multiple awards involved.
>
> If somebody has a better model, let’s hear discussion.
>
> Back in the day (Trek conventions in the 80’s run by Bjo Triimble), there were NO awards for being in the FFS–it was just a cool way to make another costume for the convention and be on stage a second time.
>
> –Karen
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: Bruce & Nora Mai
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 1:24 PM
> Subject: [runacc] Future Fashion Show Awards
>
>
>
>
>
> So, over on the SLUTs list, a bit of interesting discussion popped up that
> has been brought up before.
>
> Our (meaning the Costume-Con community) philosophy is “Excellence Deserves
> Recognition”. This applies to everything except for the Future Fashion Show
> – there’s usually only the “Most accurate to Self” and “Most Accurate – not
> by the Designer”. Nora and I are more traditionalists on this, and while
> we don’t object to a couple of other awards, we think things should stay
> essentially as they are. At least one of our people has said if she was
> ever in a position to judge for the FFS again, she essentially said she
> would ignore the standard model and give out as many awards to people she
> believed deserved them.
>
> Our general thinking is:
>
> The FFS is not a competition in the same sense as a masquerade. But I think
> some folks look at it that way.
>
> The competition was the Folio. The challenge at the Show is for people to
> reproduce the designs as faithfully as possible – not to take someone’s
> design and use it as a jumping off point. My perception is that the
> designer should be pleased with bringing their drawing to life as they
> visualized it. Rewarding anything that fell short but looks pretty
> seems…..I dunno….less than faithful to the intent of the show.
>
> The Fashion Show is more relaxed – much like the Single Pattern show.
> Making it more of a standard competition has the potential of ratcheting up
> the pressure.
>
> Frequently, the Folio has designs that are more costume than clothing – too
> many more awards might skew this further, I would think. Where do you draw
> the line, then? Would you have to adopt the 33% rule? Where do you draw
> the line? On the other extreme, there is a danger of the whole “give
> everyone an award that deserves it” more easily getting out of hand.
>
> I’d be interested in hearing what some of you – especially Karen D. – think.
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ———————————————————-
>
>
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Group: runacc Message: 1801 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Random observations, anecdotes and wrap up
Group: runacc Message: 1802 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: The Judging conversations on both RunaCC and ICG-D
Group: runacc Message: 1803 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: Re: The Judging conversations on both RunaCC and ICG-D
Group: runacc Message: 1804 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: Re: The Judging conversations on both RunaCC and ICG-D
Group: runacc Message: 1805 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: Re: The Judging conversations on both RunaCC and ICG-D
Group: runacc Message: 1806 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: Re: The Judging conversations on both RunaCC and ICG-D
Group: runacc Message: 1807 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: Re: The Judging conversations on both RunaCC and ICG-D
Group: runacc Message: 1808 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-con 26 Convention Ch Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: Saturday’s Elephant
Group: runacc Message: 1809 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: Re: Saturday’s Elephant
Group: runacc Message: 1810 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: Re: Saturday’s Elephant
Group: runacc Message: 1811 From: Bruno Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: Presentation audio [was Saturday’s Elephant]
Group: runacc Message: 1812 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: Re: Presentation audio [was Saturday’s Elephant]
Group: runacc Message: 1813 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: Re: Saturday’s Elephant
Group: runacc Message: 1814 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: Re: Saturday’s Elephant
Group: runacc Message: 1815 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: Re: Presentation audio [was Saturday’s Elephant]
Group: runacc Message: 1816 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: Re: Presentation audio [was Saturday’s Elephant]
Group: runacc Message: 1817 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: Re: Presentation audio [was Saturday’s Elephant]
Group: runacc Message: 1818 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: Re: Presentation audio [was Saturday’s Elephant]
Group: runacc Message: 1819 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: Re: Presentation audio [was Saturday’s Elephant]
Group: runacc Message: 1820 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: And now for something completely different… A modest proposal
Group: runacc Message: 1821 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: Re: Presentation audio [was Saturday’s Elephant]
Group: runacc Message: 1822 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: Re: Saturday’s Elephant
Group: runacc Message: 1823 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: CC27 audio (was Saturday’s elephant)
Group: runacc Message: 1824 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: Re: CC27 audio (was Saturday’s elephant)
Group: runacc Message: 1825 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: weird crap in the new world order.
Group: runacc Message: 1826 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Re: Presentation audio [was Saturday’s Elephant]
Group: runacc Message: 1827 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Re: weird crap in the new world order.
Group: runacc Message: 1828 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Re: CC27 audio (was Saturday’s elephant)
Group: runacc Message: 1829 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Re: CC27 audio (was Saturday’s elephant)
Group: runacc Message: 1830 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Re: weird crap in the new world order.
Group: runacc Message: 1831 From: von_drago Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Re: weird crap in the new world order.
Group: runacc Message: 1832 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Re: And now for something completely different… A modest proposal
Group: runacc Message: 1833 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Re: Presentation audio [was Saturday’s Elephant]
Group: runacc Message: 1834 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Re: CC27 audio (was Saturday’s elephant)
Group: runacc Message: 1835 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Re: weird crap in the new world order.
Group: runacc Message: 1836 From: Les Roth Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Re: CC27 audio (was Saturday’s elephant)
Group: runacc Message: 1837 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: weird crap in the new world order.
Group: runacc Message: 1838 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: weird crap in the new world order.
Group: runacc Message: 1839 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: weird crap in the new world order.
Group: runacc Message: 1840 From: Bruno Date: 6/22/2008
Subject: Re: weird crap in the new world order.
Group: runacc Message: 1841 From: tinathebookworm Date: 7/20/2008
Subject: Single pattern contest @ CC-27: pattern numbering
Group: runacc Message: 1842 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Costume-ConNections has moved!!!
Group: runacc Message: 1843 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 8/1/2008
Subject: Re: Costume-ConNections has moved!!!
Group: runacc Message: 1844 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 8/1/2008
Subject: Re: Costume-ConNections has moved!!!
Group: runacc Message: 1845 From: von_drago Date: 8/3/2008
Subject: CC25 Website
Group: runacc Message: 1846 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-con 26 Convention Ch Date: 8/3/2008
Subject: Re: CC25 Website
Group: runacc Message: 1847 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-con 26 Convention Ch Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Re: Costume-ConNections has moved!!!
Group: runacc Message: 1848 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Re: Costume-ConNections has moved!!!
Group: runacc Message: 1849 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Re: Costume-ConNections has moved!!!
Group: runacc Message: 1850 From: Byron Connell Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Next Year’s Worldcon Masquerade

 


 

Group: runacc Message: 1801 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Random observations, anecdotes and wrap up
Not sure if any of you have run into this one yet on other boards.
CC-26 has ( and I pray all CC’s have not) been given a nickname.
for it is no longer costume-con,
it’s now presentation-con

great.

thank you judges and thank you space girls ( tho not the girls fault)

anymore thought’s on changing that panel name to
masquerade judges?

I think it just needs to happen

you know, at some point, the service mark holder will be obliged to TELL committees what to call judges and what to tell them etc… just to protect the mark, by changing the constitution to reflect all these things we’ve been talking about.

especially if each year is like starting over, which seems to have happened this past year.

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Group: runacc Message: 1802 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: The Judging conversations on both RunaCC and ICG-D
Hi, all!

If you’re receiving this message, you’re still listed as a part of the
ICG Guidelines committee or you are on the RunaCC mailing list. I am
cross-posting this one message as an invitation for you to join the
Guidelines discussion if you desire, because the discussion is
important and your participation would be very much appreciated!

It’s pretty clear to me from the conversations over the last week that
we need to do what we should have done the last time this stuff came
up. As I recall, there were two major documents still to be written
and presented to the ICG BOD: The Costumer’s Bill of Rights and the
Masquerade Safety Guidelines.

I suspect the judging and competition issues being raised on the D
list come under the former heading. While I know both of these
documents need attention (especially in light of another costumer
heading off the wrong edge of the stage but also from my
own…ahem…history onstage), it sounds to me like we should be
constructing the judging/entrant document first.

If you are still on the list but you are not interested in being a
part of this conversation, you are certainly welcome to stay. Would
those on the list who plan to participate in this process please
“raise your hands” and let me and Andy know you’re still here and
interested in the process? If you’re not already on the Guidelines
list, I’ll send you an invite as soon as I know you need one.

I’d really like to strike while the iron is hot!

Thanks!

Betsy Marks Delaney
Co-Chair, the ICG Guidelines Committee

 

Group: runacc Message: 1803 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: Re: The Judging conversations on both RunaCC and ICG-D

Betsy —

Raising my hand. I am still on runacc and have been participating in the discussion on ICG-D. However, I am not on the Guidelines list and am not welcome on it because I expressed my belief that the ICG ought not to endorse guidelines.

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: Betsy Delaney<mailto:aramintamd@gmail.com>
To: icg-guidelines@yahoogroups.com<mailto:icg-guidelines@yahoogroups.com> ; runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 11:01 AM
Subject: [runacc] The Judging conversations on both RunaCC and ICG-D

Hi, all!

If you’re receiving this message, you’re still listed as a part of the
ICG Guidelines committee or you are on the RunaCC mailing list. I am
cross-posting this one message as an invitation for you to join the
Guidelines discussion if you desire, because the discussion is
important and your participation would be very much appreciated!

It’s pretty clear to me from the conversations over the last week that
we need to do what we should have done the last time this stuff came
up. As I recall, there were two major documents still to be written
and presented to the ICG BOD: The Costumer’s Bill of Rights and the
Masquerade Safety Guidelines.

I suspect the judging and competition issues being raised on the D
list come under the former heading. While I know both of these
documents need attention (especially in light of another costumer
heading off the wrong edge of the stage but also from my
own…ahem…history onstage), it sounds to me like we should be
constructing the judging/entrant document first.

If you are still on the list but you are not interested in being a
part of this conversation, you are certainly welcome to stay. Would
those on the list who plan to participate in this process please
“raise your hands” and let me and Andy know you’re still here and
interested in the process? If you’re not already on the Guidelines
list, I’ll send you an invite as soon as I know you need one.

I’d really like to strike while the iron is hot!

Thanks!

Betsy Marks Delaney
Co-Chair, the ICG Guidelines Committee

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Group: runacc Message: 1804 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: Re: The Judging conversations on both RunaCC and ICG-D

Byron,

If you feel that way, it’s your choice, but I don’t think either Andy
or I ever said you weren’t welcome on the Guidelines list.

It’s up to you, of course. I’d like to see if we can move some of this
discussion there, and form some sort of summary document that we can
submit for comment. I don’t expect we will be able to cover all bases,
but providing a structure of some form that helps define what
apparently needs to be outlined as appropriate judging behavior and
appropriate masquerade instruction seems to be a beneficial thing.
Like the pirates say – it’s a guideline, not a law.

Let me know!

Cheers,

-b

On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 8:52 PM, Byron Connell <bpconnell@verizon.net> wrote:
> Betsy —
>
> Raising my hand. I am still on runacc and have been participating in the
> discussion on ICG-D. However, I am not on the Guidelines list and am not
> welcome on it because I expressed my belief that the ICG ought not to
> endorse guidelines.
>
> Byron

 

Group: runacc Message: 1805 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: Re: The Judging conversations on both RunaCC and ICG-D

Betsy Delaney wrote:

> Byron,
>
> If you feel that way, it’s your choice, but I don’t think either Andy
> or I ever said you weren’t welcome on the Guidelines list.

Actually, I said that.

I feel that a member who supports abolishing the guidelines is at odds
with the mission of the committee.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1806 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: Re: The Judging conversations on both RunaCC and ICG-D

Ok, I remember now. And I think I tend to agree, Andy.

Byron, if you still feel this way, I will have to say that Andy is
right as he’s stated below.

If you feel differently now and can find some value in such a
document, you are certainly welcome to join and contribute. I won’t
object.

I’ve drafted up a VERY rough set of guidelines that can fall under the
heading of a Costumer’s Bill of Rights and Responsibilities, which I’m
going to toss in Andy’s direction first, then at the Guidelines list.

I’m in the process of getting my office ready to move, so I’m trying
to get us to a point where we can start the discussion so that I can
get work stuff done while still moving us forward, and as I said
anyone not already on the Guidelines list who wants to be a part of
the process is welcome to join.

Thanks!

Betsy

On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:52 PM, Andrew Trembley <attrembl@bovil.com> wrote:
> Betsy Delaney wrote:
>> Byron,
>>
>> If you feel that way, it’s your choice, but I don’t think either Andy
>> or I ever said you weren’t welcome on the Guidelines list.
>
> Actually, I said that.
>
> I feel that a member who supports abolishing the guidelines is at odds
> with the mission of the committee.
>
> andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1807 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: Re: The Judging conversations on both RunaCC and ICG-D

While I am in somewhat agreement with Byron, I think that I should
probably be in on this discussion if for no other reason than to see
that you don’t come up with anything too egregious 😀

Marty

Betsy Delaney wrote:

>
> Hi, all!
>
> If you’re receiving this message, you’re still listed as a part of the
> ICG Guidelines committee or you are on the RunaCC mailing list. I am
> cross-posting this one message as an invitation for you to join the
> Guidelines discussion if you desire, because the discussion is
> important and your participation would be very much appreciated!
>
> It’s pretty clear to me from the conversations over the last week that
> we need to do what we should have done the last time this stuff came
> up. As I recall, there were two major documents still to be written
> and presented to the ICG BOD: The Costumer’s Bill of Rights and the
> Masquerade Safety Guidelines.
>
> I suspect the judging and competition issues being raised on the D
> list come under the former heading. While I know both of these
> documents need attention (especially in light of another costumer
> heading off the wrong edge of the stage but also from my
> own…ahem…history onstage), it sounds to me like we should be
> constructing the judging/entrant document first.
>
> If you are still on the list but you are not interested in being a
> part of this conversation, you are certainly welcome to stay. Would
> those on the list who plan to participate in this process please
> “raise your hands” and let me and Andy know you’re still here and
> interested in the process? If you’re not already on the Guidelines
> list, I’ll send you an invite as soon as I know you need one.
>
> I’d really like to strike while the iron is hot!
>
> Thanks!
>
> Betsy Marks Delaney
> Co-Chair, the ICG Guidelines Committee
>
>
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Group: runacc Message: 1808 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-con 26 Convention Ch Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: Saturday’s Elephant
OK, I’ve been promising to tell you how things imploded at CC26 for the
F&SF masquerade, especially with regards to our AV tech.

At this point, it’s far enough behind me that I think I can simply lay
out the sequence of events to explain; I’ll try not to make lots of excuses.

This is going to be a long post.

First off — the masquerade database transfer glitch has to be one of my
most embarrassing moments ever as a programmer.

We’d been moving data back and forth from our other web databases
without difficulty for months.
We’ve successfully run a local MS-Access version of the masq. database
(running on a laptop) to organize masquerades for the last 3 years,
getting it ready for Costume-Con. It’s been successfully used for 50
entry/100+ person masquerades. Shelley Monson had taken the latest
version home and optimized it further. The web db was specifically
designed to match the PC version.

We then hit two major glitches onsite. The first was that the import
tools (which we’d been using successfully for other databases) refused
to recognize two of the fields from the web db properly. I did
eventually solve this problem on Saturday, and had started printing from
the new table when I had to go teach a stage workshop. That was one of
the only two items I was teaching at CC26, and one I’d specifically
requested. It also cost me an hour of time.

The second glitch was that Shelley’s laptop decided it didn’t want to
talk to any other machine we owned (or to any of our USB floppies, etc),
so I didn’t have the final optimized version of the script templates,
and had to try to recreate them on the fly. Hence the missing fields.

Not trying the db transfer earlier was a stupid, stupid mistake on my
part. I only explain in so much detail so you’ll understand that I
didn’t have reason to expect problems.

Second… a minor note about staffing in general.

Andy has mentioned the difficulty we had finding judges for the
Historical, this was a general problem.
The Bay Area now has 4 or 5 largish “classic” fan-run conventions
(Further Confusion, PantheaCon, Baycon, DundraCon and Silicon) plus
FanimeCon and others.
Baycon, unfortunately, has never figured out how to gracefully share
resources. They also have an insanely generous entitlement system for
their volunteers (free memberships, room allowances, staff feed) which
makes life difficult for visiting conventions that can’t afford those
entitlements. We were very careful not to poach any of their department
heads, but in October we learned their executive had essentially
forbidden any of their staff to work on Costume-Con.

We worked with Further Confusion and other local groups and seemed to
have covered things fairly well, but this was one of the reasons we were
short-staffed. We also had some volunteers change their mind at the last
minute (like the original consuite crew).

Third… what we had planned for our tech…

We knew we were going to be lean on tech staff, since we no longer have
anything like TechnoFandom in the BayArea.
When Demicon moved back to the first weekend of May, we lost the Iowa
crew, who had planned to help us run our tech. I started looking in
We also had to support two stages.
This is one of the reasons the lighting design for the main stage was so
simple; I also wanted the focus to be on the costumes rather than stage
technical effects. (Ironic, given the complaints about perfomance
trumping costuming at CC26).
The tech crew was one of the few places where we decided to comp
memberships in advance, by way of incentive. As we were coming into the
week before the convention, we had a tech crew of 10 people, plus Smash
(who was also our equipment provider) and DJ Jean. Jean had to work on
Saturday, but was scheduled to run the mix on Friday night and at the
Fashion Show on Sunday. All masquerade entry music was going to be
ripped onto a laptop to make it simple to control at the show. It was
going to be tight, but I’ve seen this same group handle shows like ours
just fine.

Fourth and final: how it all fell apart beginning on Wednesday.

On Wednesday, two things happened.
1) 6 of our tech crew volunteers decided they weren’t going to do it
after all. No particular reason, they just decided to flake on us
2) Smash’s management tried to rescind his vacation for the weekend. He
gave them Thursday, but to keep Friday through Monday he had to agree to
be on call all weekend.

Smash was our equipment supplier, so that delayed our tech move-in by 24
hours. When he got to his warehouse on Thursday night, he discovered the
$50k video switcher that was in the design for the runway stage had been
stolen. That meant he had to redesign the video system for that show on
the spot. That cost us more setup time.

Friday’s AV requirements were fairly simple, so it went well (we now
know, though, that the ballroom is too small for a band with a trap
set). Since DJ Jean was going to be running sound on Sunday, she left
her DJ box on the stage to be moved downstairs later. This proved to be
critical on Saturday.

One major source of our problems was that having the crew cut down to
less than half its size meant we had no one to rip the soundtracks to a
laptop and sort them out, so we were going to have to use the CDs as
provided. There were three CD decks in the AV booth; Jean had two in her
DJ box (that’s 5 total).

During the course of tech rehearsals, one after another of the
contestant CDs refused to play in the main booth decks. They eventually
realized they had two more in Jean’s equipment, and got them to work
there (remember, she was at work on Saturday). They also figured during
the show it would be wiser to have the person who owned that equipment
run it during the show itself. This is why “the sound person wasn’t
present during rehearsals”… she wasn’t supposed to be the sound
person. It also put sound and lights in two different parts of the room,
which (even if they hadn’t been late coming off the press) the scripts
weren’t designed for. It’s also why we ended up with a DJ on the corner
of the stage; it wasn’t part of the original design at all.

Now — a word about the CD problems. 7 of the 9 gross miscues involved
CDs with more than one track, when the rules specifically called for a
CD with a single track. Some of these were albums where the contestants
asked for track X of Y (or in one case, start at 0:55 of track X and
play until 1:47). Others were sets of multiple short tracks (10
six-second tracks, for instance), where they wanted all of them played.
This could have been handled if we had the manpower to rip the tracks
as we’d planned. One of the other miscues was due to the holographic
angel guy storming the tech booth because they’d played track 1 instead
of 14, and they missed cues while they were fending him off. We also
had one of Jean’s two decks jam. By the end of the night we were on the
last of those 5 decks.

Shelley and Eleanor had an extra 24 hours, so they used Ellie’s laptop
to rip the entry tracks and burned one single CD with one track per
entry; I could also warn them to burn it at low speed which dramatically
reduces the risk of misplay in an audio teck.

That’s pretty much it.

I can also tell you that folks in the audience who were not, like those
of us on this list, painfully aware of what was obviously not working
right, really enjoyed the show.

I’m going to hit “send” before I go back and try to second-guess myself
on this post.

Kevin

 

Group: runacc Message: 1809 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: Re: Saturday’s Elephant
Locking the barn door after the horse has been stolen:

I offer, for any Costume-Con tech crew finding itself in such need
again, my services as a roving sound editor.

I don’t travel without my laptop and have been working with sound
editing for decades now (starting with tape cassettes and patch
cords). Sound and video editing are now part of my current job
description.

I recognize that there are other people on list list who are also very
qualified, but I suspect they will also be busy doing other things
during their CCs, and so far as I know I am not committed to any of
the concoms for the foreseeable future. (If I’m wrong about this,
better tell me NOW!) Please consider this an offer of assistance and
not an encroachment of territory.

And, if your tech/sound crew winds up in a pinch again (which we will
all knock wood NOW not to happen), please ask someone to find me.
Seriously! It kills me to know I could have helped somewhere and that
I wasn’t asked.

I understand from Judy’s recent posting on the CC LJ community that
CC27 is asking for either .wav or .mp3 files for masquerade sound. I
am willing to make myself available to help any entry who can provide
me with a disk or tape in advance of or at the con. If asked, I will
also bring additional spare equipment as a safeguard.

Terribly sorry not to have known these details at-con. I was wandering
around Saturday looking for things to do.

Betsy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1810 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: Re: Saturday’s Elephant

Betsy –
Thank you for the offer, but CC-27 will have a dedicated tech with
equipment to handle the sound for anyone who does not come prepared,
including access to a “library” of possible masquerade music. Like you,
I too travel with a laptop with sound editing software and not have the
“masquerade music DVD” loaded on the machine in the form of mp3 files.
(The plan for CC-27 is to load everyone’s masquerade music/sounds into
an I-tunes library arranged in run order, and yes, we’ll have CD back-up
and a spare laptop at the sound desk just in case.) BTW, my sound
editing experience goes back to the late 50’s editing 1/4″ open reel
tapes with a razor blade, a yard stick, and “scotch” tape t o produce
segues. Like Betsy, if I’m not otherwise engaged I’m happy to offer the
same services when I’m at a con.

Marty

Betsy Delaney wrote:

>
> Locking the barn door after the horse has been stolen:
>
> I offer, for any Costume-Con tech crew finding itself in such need
> again, my services as a roving sound editor.
>
> I don’t travel without my laptop and have been working with sound
> editing for decades now (starting with tape cassettes and patch
> cords). Sound and video editing are now part of my current job
> description.
>
> I recognize that there are other people on list list who are also very
> qualified, but I suspect they will also be busy doing other things
> during their CCs, and so far as I know I am not committed to any of
> the concoms for the foreseeable future. (If I’m wrong about this,
> better tell me NOW!) Please consider this an offer of assistance and
> not an encroachment of territory.
>
> And, if your tech/sound crew winds up in a pinch again (which we will
> all knock wood NOW not to happen), please ask someone to find me.
> Seriously! It kills me to know I could have helped somewhere and that
> I wasn’t asked.
>
> I understand from Judy’s recent posting on the CC LJ community that
> CC27 is asking for either .wav or .mp3 files for masquerade sound. I
> am willing to make myself available to help any entry who can provide
> me with a disk or tape in advance of or at the con. If asked, I will
> also bring additional spare equipment as a safeguard.
>
> Terribly sorry not to have known these details at-con. I was wandering
> around Saturday looking for things to do.
>
> Betsy
>
>
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Group: runacc Message: 1811 From: Bruno Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: Presentation audio [was Saturday’s Elephant]
The subject of audio editing is something that comes up quite
frequently. People always have recommendations of things they used,
both freeware and licensed. The pros and cons of each, how
easy/difficult to use, what you can and cannot do. For my audio at
CC24, I used a trial version of something, I think it was an Adobe
product. I finally got what I wanted but I spent far too much time on
the learning curve for one minute of audio. Also, the audio file I
exported was recorded too quitely to be used and I had to get the MP3
version I had on my laptop at the con.

When I needed audio for a masquerade in April, I again started looking
for something use, as I’d never really found something I liked. Then
I thought, what about Windows Movie Maker. I’d used it recently for
the first time to make some photo slide shows with sound. I knew I
could use it to simply mix audio, trim clips, fade in, fade out, etc.
I just wasn’t sure about putting it into a .MOV file. To my surprise,
having only audio in the project, it kept it in an audio format
(either WMA or WAV, I don’t remember), and didn’t convert it into a
movie.

Anyone with Windows XP/Vista has Windows Movie Maker and has probably
never used it, as its for video and many/most people don’t do video, I
hadn’t for years. Despite being designed for simple movie editing, it
does everything for audio that probably 99% of masquerade entries
need. It’s very simple to use. It imports MP3, which is how most
people will have their music anyway. If they want a voice over, they
just need a microphone and they can record it in Windows Sound
Recorder as a WAV.

My point is that audio is a challenge for many costumers which then
becomes problems for tech. The tools are readily available, free and
simple to use. We really just need more education using the KISS
method.

Michael

 

Group: runacc Message: 1812 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: Re: Presentation audio [was Saturday’s Elephant]

Sounds like a panel/workshop to me.

Note my previous mention of availability…….

Cheers,

-b

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 1:12 PM, Bruno <bruno@soulmasque.com> wrote:

> My point is that audio is a challenge for many costumers which then
> becomes problems for tech. The tools are readily available, free and
> simple to use. We really just need more education using the KISS
> method.
>
> Michael

 

Group: runacc Message: 1813 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: Re: Saturday’s Elephant

In a message dated 6/19/2008 11:01:32 AM Central Daylight Time,
aramintamd@gmail.com writes:

> Locking the barn door after the horse has been stolen:
>
> I offer, for any Costume-Con tech crew finding itself in such need
> again, my services as a roving sound editor.
>
>
>
>
>

You fool! I thought I saw you at the last Volunteers 12-Step Meeting! ;P

Seriously, if you want to help out at CC28, I will get you in contact with
our Sound Jedi.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1814 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: Re: Saturday’s Elephant

Wouldn’t have offered if I didn’t know what I was getting into! 😎

Cheers,

-b

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 1:29 PM, <osierhenry@cs.com> wrote:
> In a message dated 6/19/2008 11:01:32 AM Central Daylight Time,
>
> aramintamd@gmail.com writes:
>> Locking the barn door after the horse has been stolen:
>>
>> I offer, for any Costume-Con tech crew finding itself in such need
>> again, my services as a roving sound editor.

 

Group: runacc Message: 1815 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: Re: Presentation audio [was Saturday’s Elephant]

In a message dated 6/19/2008 12:21:23 PM Central Daylight Time,
aramintamd@gmail.com writes:

> Sounds like a panel/workshop to me.
>
> Note my previous mention of availability…….
>
>
>
>
>

I forwarded that to my Programming Monkee.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1816 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: Re: Presentation audio [was Saturday’s Elephant]

I’ve actually suggested this as a potential program topic for both
Westercon and Worldcon this year.

It’s not only the “how do I assemble the audio” question, but “how do I
make the CD so it will actually work in almost any player” question.

Kevin

>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1817 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: Re: Presentation audio [was Saturday’s Elephant]

Yep! Agreed!!!

Can even give the basics (what you REALLY need to know about
Goldwave/Moviemaker/whatever to edit your sound) AND how to rip music
for editing.

Cheers,

-b

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair
<chair@cc26.org> wrote:

> I’ve actually suggested this as a potential program topic for both
> Westercon and Worldcon this year.
>
> It’s not only the “how do I assemble the audio” question, but “how do I
> make the CD so it will actually work in almost any player” question.
>
> Kevin

 

Group: runacc Message: 1818 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: Re: Presentation audio [was Saturday’s Elephant]

In a message dated 6/19/2008 1:26:27 PM Central Daylight Time,
aramintamd@gmail.com writes:

> Yep! Agreed!!!
>
> Can even give the basics (what you REALLY need to know about
> Goldwave/Moviemaker/whatever to edit your sound) AND how to rip music
> for editing.
>
> Cheers,
>
> -b
>
> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair
> <chair@cc26.org> wrote:
> >I’ve actually suggested this as a potential program topic for both
> >Westercon and Worldcon this year.
> >
> >It’s not only the “how do I assemble the audio” question, but “how do I
> >make the CD so it will actually work in almost any player” question.
> >
> >Kevin
>
>
>
>
>
>

Ok, Betsy, you can plan to be at that panel as CC28! Kevin, do you want in on
this?

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1819 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: Re: Presentation audio [was Saturday’s Elephant]

Which should be recorded and made available on the ICG Web site.

We should do that with a lot of the costuming/stagecraft type of panels/workshops.

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: Betsy Delaney<mailto:aramintamd@gmail.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Presentation audio [was Saturday’s Elephant]

Sounds like a panel/workshop to me.

Note my previous mention of availability…….

Cheers,

-b

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 1:12 PM, Bruno <bruno@soulmasque.com<mailto:bruno@soulmasque.com>> wrote:

> My point is that audio is a challenge for many costumers which then
> becomes problems for tech. The tools are readily available, free and
> simple to use. We really just need more education using the KISS
> method.
>
> Michael

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Group: runacc Message: 1820 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: And now for something completely different… A modest proposal
I know that one of the challenges in running Costume-Con is getting the
word out without going broke.

If we want to have a larger West Coast contingent attending more
easterly conventions (with, I’ll admit, an eye to getting them engaged
and interested in making the effort to bid for future CCs), we need to
keep getting info to them at other conventions and events out here.

Andy and I spent buckets of money travelling to promote CC26, but,
equally importantly, a good number of folk from the Midwest and Eastern
US very kindly helped by getting our literature out at lots of events we
couldn’t attend.

I’d like to return the favor.

If you send me stuff, I’ll put it out. We’ll be at Westercon, Worldcon,
Silicon and perhaps Yaoicon this year, plus some assorted BAERS, PEERS,
GBACG and SCA events. I’d like to keep the left coasters excited enough
that it doesn’t take another 14 years to get it back here.

I also think this is another way we can use this list effectively, to
help keep future Costume-Cons vital and fresh. If we can save some of
our personal travel money to go to the conventions we want to attend,
and help each others’ committees distribute info, it will be easier to
promote the conventions without digging quite so deeply into our
personal costuming budget. 🙂

Kevin

 

Group: runacc Message: 1821 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: Re: Presentation audio [was Saturday’s Elephant]

Henry –
I worked my way through college first at a commercial radio station and
then at a speech & hearing clinic. I did sound for a rock band and
studio engineered a jazz album. At one of the worldcons in the 1980’s I
did the sound for four of the six top winners. Can I play too?

^M^

osierhenry@cs.com wrote:

>
> In a message dated 6/19/2008 1:26:27 PM Central Daylight Time,
> aramintamd@gmail.com <mailto:aramintamd%40gmail.com> writes:
> > Yep! Agreed!!!
> >
> > Can even give the basics (what you REALLY need to know about
> > Goldwave/Moviemaker/whatever to edit your sound) AND how to rip music
> > for editing.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > -b
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair
> > <chair@cc26.org <mailto:chair%40cc26.org>> wrote:
> > >I’ve actually suggested this as a potential program topic for both
> > >Westercon and Worldcon this year.
> > >
> > >It’s not only the “how do I assemble the audio” question, but “how do I
> > >make the CD so it will actually work in almost any player” question.
> > >
> > >Kevin
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> Ok, Betsy, you can plan to be at that panel as CC28! Kevin, do you
> want in on
> this?
>
> Henry
>
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>
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Group: runacc Message: 1822 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: Re: Saturday’s Elephant
Wow. Talk about a series of unfortunate events. I understand the shiny guy
being upset, but that was completely inappropriate to complain while the
show was still going on, impacting another performer’s presentation.

And yes, after watching the video, the audience certainly was not aware of
the drama backstage, but I’m sure they were aware they seemed to be a slew
of awkward moments.

Thanks for the other side of the story.

Bruce

 

Group: runacc Message: 1823 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: CC27 audio (was Saturday’s elephant)

This is very smart. I was thinking, “Boy, there’s gotta be a way to more or
less prevent people coming to Tech with a CD and saying ‘Play this many
seconds of this track and…..'”. This would force people to make more
precisely mixed CDs. Good idea.

> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Betsy Delaney
> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 11:01 AM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [runacc] Saturday’s Elephant
>
>
> I understand from Judy’s recent posting on the CC LJ community that
> CC27 is asking for either .wav or .mp3 files for masquerade sound. I
> am willing to make myself available to help any entry who can provide
> me with a disk or tape in advance of or at the con. If asked, I will
> also bring additional spare equipment as a safeguard.
>
>
> Betsy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1824 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: Re: CC27 audio (was Saturday’s elephant)

I thought we were well past that with cassettes.

It needs to be in the rules and published pre-event, so that when they DO show up with stuff like that, you have the right to say no.
If you have the tech to fix it and deal with it for them, that’s great, awesome, and awfully nice, but why oh why are we going over what I at least thought was fixed 20 years ago.
just because the technology has changed, doesn’t mean the stoopidity of giving anyone your music in anyway that has any degree of possible screw up is allowable

Gravely MacCabre

—– Original Message —-
From: Bruce & Nora Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 11:08:43 PM
Subject: [runacc] CC27 audio (was Saturday’s elephant)

This is very smart. I was thinking, “Boy, there’s gotta be a way to more or
less prevent people coming to Tech with a CD and saying ‘Play this many
seconds of this track and…..'”. This would force people to make more
precisely mixed CDs. Good idea.

> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups. com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
> Betsy Delaney
> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 11:01 AM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups. com
> Subject: Re: [runacc] Saturday’s Elephant
>
>
> I understand from Judy’s recent posting on the CC LJ community that
> CC27 is asking for either .wav or .mp3 files for masquerade sound. I
> am willing to make myself available to help any entry who can provide
> me with a disk or tape in advance of or at the con. If asked, I will
> also bring additional spare equipment as a safeguard.
>
>
> Betsy

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Group: runacc Message: 1825 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: weird crap in the new world order.
the tech/sound question reminded me of this which will seem like an old man Andy Rooney rant, but I don’t care.

What the hell is up with showing me your documentation ON your lap top, or no lie, on your cell phone .

If I can’t hold it and take it to judges chambers with me, I reserve the right to ignore it.

I’m just sayin is all…….

Gravely MacCabre
http://www.castleblood.com
http://www.midnightmonsterhop.com
http://www.myspace.com/thecastleblood
http://www.myspace.com/midnightmonsterhop
clip samples at
http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood

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Group: runacc Message: 1826 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Re: Presentation audio [was Saturday’s Elephant]

Yeah – every time we need to do a complicated mix (not just copying x
minutes of y) I have to re-invent the wheel, because I can never
remember what I did the last time. It doesn’t help that the program
you used last time now doesn’t work because of some computer system
update or hiccup….

We usually get it OK, though. One time, the Archon sound guy (Yay,
Mike!!) saved us – we’d put together a mix of several things – sound
effects from one website, music downloaded from another, voice over,
etc. etc. I got it all pasted together relatively seamlessly, except
for the last bit. No matter what I tried, it wouldn’t copy on to the
end of the finished mix. So, we took the mostly finished mix and the
extra bit on separate CD’s, and Mike was able to mix it together for
the presentation. I still don’t know what was up with that….

So, yes, need a panel for this….

Sandy

At 01:25 PM 6/19/2008, you wrote:

>Yep! Agreed!!!
>
>Can even give the basics (what you REALLY need to know about
>Goldwave/Moviemaker/whatever to edit your sound) AND how to rip music
>for editing.
>
>Cheers,
>
>-b
>
>On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair
><<mailto:chair%40cc26.org>chair@cc26.org> wrote:
> > I’ve actually suggested this as a potential program topic for both
> > Westercon and Worldcon this year.
> >
> > It’s not only the “how do I assemble the audio” question, but “how do I
> > make the CD so it will actually work in almost any player” question.
> >
> > Kevin
>

“Those Who Fail To Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly —
Why They Are Simply Doomed.

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C.Y. 4971

Andromeda

 

Group: runacc Message: 1827 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Re: weird crap in the new world order.

I agree with you, but really? No way. Cell phone???

Geeze!

Do we need to tell people paper is best? Amazing! Used to be we just
had to say copies of book covers, not the whole book.

Welcome to the 21st Century…

-b

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 11:44 PM, Gravely MacCabre <gravelymac@yahoo.com> wrote:
> the tech/sound question reminded me of this which will seem like an old man
> Andy Rooney rant, but I don’t care.
>
> What the hell is up with showing me your documentation ON your lap top, or
> no lie, on your cell phone .
>
> If I can’t hold it and take it to judges chambers with me, I reserve the
> right to ignore it.
>
> I’m just sayin is all…….
>
> Gravely MacCabre
> http://www.castleblood.com
> http://www.midnightmonsterhop.com
> http://www.myspace.com/thecastleblood
> http://www.myspace.com/midnightmonsterhop
> clip samples at
> http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood

 

Group: runacc Message: 1828 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Re: CC27 audio (was Saturday’s elephant)

I agree with you. I haven’t handed in a recorded piece of music in
well over 15 years that wasn’t just cut down, but edited to end at :55
for insurance, with at least two extras just in case. There are plenty
of people who either can’t be bothered or are so technologically
challenged they don’t even know they should be asking for help.

The tools are a heck of a lot better than they were even 10 years ago,
though. I still remember the recording session for Agalla (CC11).
Being able to set up shop in a corner of the con with a laptop and a
CD is just too cool.

After doing the sound design for three shows, I’ve taken my editing
experience a step and a half further and I’m playing with Adobe
Premiere now. Doing well enough da boss is willing to trust me to edit
and produce pieces for distribution and advertising. I feel like a kid
in a candy shop.

-b

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 11:41 PM, Gravely MacCabre <gravelymac@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I thought we were well past that with cassettes.

 

Group: runacc Message: 1829 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Re: CC27 audio (was Saturday’s elephant)

Mainly because people only pay half of their attention to what is being
said, or don’t think something applies to them. Also, you’ll probably still
have some people new to the process, despite publishing the policy ahead of
time, or don’t have the skills, but at least you can point to the policy and
say, “Did you see this?”

Bruce

> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Gravely MacCabre
> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 10:42 PM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [runacc] CC27 audio (was Saturday’s elephant)
>

> why oh why are we going over what I at least thought was fixed 20
> years ago.
> just because the technology has changed, doesn’t mean the stoopidity of

giving

> anyone your music in anyway that has any degree of possible screw up is

allowable

>
> Gravely MacCabre
>
>
>
>
>
> —– Original Message —-
> From: Bruce & Nora Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 11:08:43 PM
> Subject: [runacc] CC27 audio (was Saturday’s elephant)
>
>
> This is very smart. I was thinking, “Boy, there’s gotta be a way to more

or

> less prevent people coming to Tech with a CD and saying ‘Play this many
> seconds of this track and…..'”. This would force people to make more
> precisely mixed CDs. Good idea.
>
> > —–Original Message—–
> > From: runacc@yahoogroups. com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf
> Of
> > Betsy Delaney
> > Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 11:01 AM
> > To: runacc@yahoogroups. com
> > Subject: Re: [runacc] Saturday’s Elephant
> >
> >
> > I understand from Judy’s recent posting on the CC LJ community that
> > CC27 is asking for either .wav or .mp3 files for masquerade sound. I
> > am willing to make myself available to help any entry who can provide
> > me with a disk or tape in advance of or at the con. If asked, I will
> > also bring additional spare equipment as a safeguard.
> >
> >
> > Betsy
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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>
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> Links
>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1830 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Re: weird crap in the new world order.

You gotta be kidding me? Is this showing up at the anime cons?

This is just plain laziness. Again, sounds like a rule needs to be stated
clearly ahead of time.

Bruce

> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Gravely MacCabre
> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 10:44 PM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [runacc] weird crap in the new world order.
>
> the tech/sound question reminded me of this which will seem like an old

man Andy

> Rooney rant, but I don’t care.
>
> What the hell is up with showing me your documentation ON your lap top, or

no lie,

> on your cell phone .
>
> If I can’t hold it and take it to judges chambers with me, I reserve the

right to ignore

> it.
>
> I’m just sayin is all…….
>
> Gravely MacCabre
> http://www.castleblood.com
> http://www.midnightmonsterhop.com
> http://www.myspace.com/thecastleblood
> http://www.myspace.com/midnightmonsterhop
> clip samples at
> http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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>
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Groups

> Links
>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1831 From: von_drago Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Re: weird crap in the new world order.

OMG that’s funny! Next time I’m doing my documentation in Power
Point!! (which I hate, btw)

Seriously though, I think you’re totally within your rights to refuse
it. What are they going to do if you ask for multiple copies for
multiple judges? Bring more cell phones?

Nora
— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Gravely MacCabre <gravelymac@…>
wrote:

> the tech/sound question reminded me of this which will seem like an

old man Andy Rooney rant, but I don’t care.

>
> What the hell is up with showing me your documentation ON your lap

top, or no lie, on your cell phone .

>
> If I can’t hold it and take it to judges chambers with me, I

reserve the right to ignore it.

>
> I’m just sayin is all…….
>
> Gravely MacCabre
> http://www.castleblood.com
> http://www.midnightmonsterhop.com
> http://www.myspace.com/thecastleblood
> http://www.myspace.com/midnightmonsterhop
> clip samples at
> http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1832 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Re: And now for something completely different… A modest proposal

In a message dated 6/19/2008 7:59:42 PM Central Daylight Time, chair@cc26.org
writes:

> If you send me stuff, I’ll put it out. We’ll be at Westercon, Worldcon,
> Silicon and perhaps Yaoicon this year, plus some assorted BAERS, PEERS,
> GBACG and SCA events. I’d like to keep the left coasters excited enough
> that it doesn’t take another 14 years to get it back here.

Kevin,
I can e-mail you files in PDF format. Let me know which e-mail address
you want them sent to.
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1833 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Re: Presentation audio [was Saturday’s Elephant]

In a message dated 6/19/2008 9:44:23 PM Central Daylight Time,
MartinGear@comcast.net writes:

> Henry –
> I worked my way through college first at a commercial radio station and
> then at a speech &hearing clinic. I did sound for a rock band and
> studio engineered a jazz album. At one of the worldcons in the 1980’s I
> did the sound for four of the six top winners. Can I play too?
>
>
>

Certainly, Marty!

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1834 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Re: CC27 audio (was Saturday’s elephant)

In a message dated 6/19/2008 10:09:16 PM Central Daylight Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> This is very smart. I was thinking, “Boy, there’s gotta be a way to more or
> less prevent people coming to Tech with a CD and saying ‘Play this many
> seconds of this track and…..'”. This would force people to make more
> precisely mixed CDs. Good idea.
>
> >—–Original Message—–
> >From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> >Betsy Delaney
> >Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 11:01 AM
> >To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [runacc] Saturday’s Elephant
> >
> >
> >I understand from Judy’s recent posting on the CC LJ community that
> >CC27 is asking for either .wav or .mp3 files for masquerade sound. I
> >am willing to make myself available to help any entry who can provide
> >me with a disk or tape in advance of or at the con. If asked, I will
> >also bring additional spare equipment as a safeguard.
>
>
>

I know that at Archon, in St. Louis, for those who have not heard of it,
Mike, the Sound Tech, converts all the audio he gets into a format his computer
likes. I believe that my Sound Jedi does the same thing. I am of the belief that
this is a growing trend at masquerades.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1835 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Re: weird crap in the new world order.

In a message dated 6/19/2008 10:44:23 PM Central Daylight Time,
gravelymac@yahoo.com writes:

> What the hell is up with showing me your documentation ON your lap top, or
> no lie, on your cell phone .

Cell phone?!? You’re kidding, right? Right?

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1836 From: Les Roth Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Re: CC27 audio (was Saturday’s elephant)

For CC24 & 25 we ripped everything to my laptop and ran sound from
iTunes. For CC23, we ripped all of the audio (except for a couple on
tape), then burned a CD for the sound tech to use.

Les

Live, never to be ashamed if everything you do is published around the
world. Even if what is published is not true. — Richard Bach

On Jun 20, 2008, at 9:57 AM, osierhenry@cs.com wrote:

> In a message dated 6/19/2008 10:09:16 PM Central Daylight Time,
> casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:
> > This is very smart. I was thinking, “Boy, there’s gotta be a way
> to more or
> > less prevent people coming to Tech with a CD and saying ‘Play this
> many
> > seconds of this track and…..'”. This would force people to make
> more
> > precisely mixed CDs. Good idea.
> >
> > >—–Original Message—–
> > >From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of
> > >Betsy Delaney
> > >Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 11:01 AM
> > >To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: Re: [runacc] Saturday’s Elephant
> > >
> > >
> > >I understand from Judy’s recent posting on the CC LJ community that
> > >CC27 is asking for either .wav or .mp3 files for masquerade
> sound. I
> > >am willing to make myself available to help any entry who can
> provide
> > >me with a disk or tape in advance of or at the con. If asked, I
> will
> > >also bring additional spare equipment as a safeguard.
> >
> >
> >
> I know that at Archon, in St. Louis, for those who have not heard of
> it,
> Mike, the Sound Tech, converts all the audio he gets into a format
> his computer
> likes. I believe that my Sound Jedi does the same thing. I am of the
> belief that
> this is a growing trend at masquerades.
>
> Henry
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 1837 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: weird crap in the new world order.

At 10:44 PM 6/19/2008, you wrote:

Okay! That’s new! I’m no luddite, but this is ridiculous. What is
wrong with paper?

Pierre

>the tech/sound question reminded me of this which will seem like an
>old man Andy Rooney rant, but I don’t care.
>
>What the hell is up with showing me your documentation ON your lap
>top, or no lie, on your cell phone .
>
>If I can’t hold it and take it to judges chambers with me, I reserve
>the right to ignore it.
>
>I’m just sayin is all…….
>
>Gravely MacCabre

“Those Who Fail To Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly —
Why They Are Simply Doomed.

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C.Y. 4971

Andromeda

 

Group: runacc Message: 1838 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: weird crap in the new world order.

Did they offer to transmit the documentation to the judges’ phones? 🙂

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger<mailto:costumrs@radiks.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] weird crap in the new world order.

At 10:44 PM 6/19/2008, you wrote:

Okay! That’s new! I’m no luddite, but this is ridiculous. What is
wrong with paper?

Pierre

>the tech/sound question reminded me of this which will seem like an
>old man Andy Rooney rant, but I don’t care.
>
>What the hell is up with showing me your documentation ON your lap
>top, or no lie, on your cell phone .
>
>If I can’t hold it and take it to judges chambers with me, I reserve
>the right to ignore it.
>
>I’m just sayin is all…….
>
>Gravely MacCabre

“Those Who Fail To Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly —
Why They Are Simply Doomed.

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C.Y. 4971

Andromeda

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Group: runacc Message: 1839 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: weird crap in the new world order.

> >the tech/sound question reminded me of this which will seem like an
> >old man Andy Rooney rant, but I don’t care.
> >
> >What the hell is up with showing me your documentation ON your lap
> >top, or no lie, on your cell phone .
> >
> >If I can’t hold it and take it to judges chambers with me, I reserve
> >the right to ignore it.
> >
> >I’m just sayin is all…….
> >
> >Gravely MacCabre

I think it’s a misunderstanding in how the judging works. In a lot of anime
cons I’ve been to, there is no need to take the documentation to the judges’
room because there is no judging photo. It’s enough to compare the
documentation to the costume in person.

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Group: runacc Message: 1840 From: Bruno Date: 6/22/2008
Subject: Re: weird crap in the new world order.

I guess if they can run registration by text message, why not documentation?

Michael

Quoting Byron Connell <bpconnell@verizon.net>:

> Did they offer to transmit the documentation to the judges’ phones? 🙂
>
> Byron
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1841 From: tinathebookworm Date: 7/20/2008
Subject: Single pattern contest @ CC-27: pattern numbering
Marty & Ricky: Please note:

For anyone planning to enter the single pattern contest @ CC-27, you
should be aware that Butterick has two different numbers for the man’s
duster coat. I discovered to my annoyance that I already had this
pattern, after buying it under the number listed for the contest. And,
of course, had already discarded the receipt! It has been sold as both
#3830, and as #P142. If anyone wants my second copy please let me
know. I can bring it with me to WorldCon, Pups meetings, Philcon or
Albacon, as necessary.

Tina Connell

 

Group: runacc Message: 1842 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Costume-ConNections has moved!!!
Hi, all!

Thanks to more help from Kevin Roche than I can enumerate here, we’ve
FINALLY moved Costume-ConNections (http://www.Costume-Con.org/) to its
new home. It may take you a day or so to see the change (just came up
for me), but you’ll see it shortly!

Because of Kevin’s hard work, the gallery has transfered intact, with
no errors we could find.

If you notice anything weird with the site now that it’s been moved
successfully, please let us know ASAP!

Send email to Karen Dick or me, please, not to the list.

We’ll be adding the two missing CCs (25 and 26) starting around Labor
Day. As always, if you notice information on a record that is
incorrect, let us know and we’ll fix the problem!

Enjoy!!!

Betsy (on behalf of the Costume-Con Archives)

 

Group: runacc Message: 1843 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 8/1/2008
Subject: Re: Costume-ConNections has moved!!!

I noticed you’re still double displaying the custom field info in two
columns. I take it you haven’t had a chance to fix that yet?

Bruce

> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Betsy Delaney
> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 9:30 AM
> To: ICG-D; runacc@yahoogroups.com; siliconweb@yahoogroups.com; cc26sv-
> chat@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [runacc] Costume-ConNections has moved!!!
>
> Hi, all!
>
> Thanks to more help from Kevin Roche than I can enumerate here, we’ve
> FINALLY moved Costume-ConNections (http://www.Costume-Con.org/) to its
> new home. It may take you a day or so to see the change (just came up
> for me), but you’ll see it shortly!
>
> Because of Kevin’s hard work, the gallery has transfered intact, with
> no errors we could find.
>
> If you notice anything weird with the site now that it’s been moved
> successfully, please let us know ASAP!
>
> Send email to Karen Dick or me, please, not to the list.
>
> We’ll be adding the two missing CCs (25 and 26) starting around Labor
> Day. As always, if you notice information on a record that is
> incorrect, let us know and we’ll fix the problem!
>
> Enjoy!!!
>
> Betsy (on behalf of the Costume-Con Archives)
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo!

Groups

> Links
>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1844 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 8/1/2008
Subject: Re: Costume-ConNections has moved!!!

Hi, Bruce!

Not a bit of it. Kevin and I barely got the site moved before the
hosting account locked up (I still haven’t broken the news to them),
and I’m on the road right now (in Louisville, CO, headed East on I-70
starting tomorrow morning)!

Karen and I still need to do the whole training thing so she knows how
to add and modify records, which we’re doing after Labor Day. With
luck, we can try to fix the problem, but I’m not cluefull enough to be
sure it will work.

I know it’s a pain, especially when rules are displayed…

Sorry!

Have you noticed anything else odd?

Thanks!

Betsy

On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 6:48 PM, Bruce & Nora Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> I noticed you’re still double displaying the custom field info in two
> columns. I take it you haven’t had a chance to fix that yet?
>
> Bruce
>
>> —–Original Message—–
>> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
>> Betsy Delaney
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 9:30 AM
>> To: ICG-D; runacc@yahoogroups.com; siliconweb@yahoogroups.com; cc26sv-
>> chat@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [runacc] Costume-ConNections has moved!!!
>>
>> Hi, all!
>>
>> Thanks to more help from Kevin Roche than I can enumerate here, we’ve
>> FINALLY moved Costume-ConNections (http://www.Costume-Con.org/) to its
>> new home. It may take you a day or so to see the change (just came up
>> for me), but you’ll see it shortly!
>>
>> Because of Kevin’s hard work, the gallery has transfered intact, with
>> no errors we could find.
>>
>> If you notice anything weird with the site now that it’s been moved
>> successfully, please let us know ASAP!
>>
>> Send email to Karen Dick or me, please, not to the list.
>>
>> We’ll be adding the two missing CCs (25 and 26) starting around Labor
>> Day. As always, if you notice information on a record that is
>> incorrect, let us know and we’ll fix the problem!
>>
>> Enjoy!!!
>>
>> Betsy (on behalf of the Costume-Con Archives)
>>
>> ————————————
>>
>> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo!
> Groups
>> Links
>>
>>
>>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1845 From: von_drago Date: 8/3/2008
Subject: CC25 Website
For those who have links to it (or are simply interested) – the
original CC25 website is going away.
As of August 15, 2008. <www.cc25.net> , will be no more. The site in
its entirety can still be viewed at:
<www.casamai.com/slcg/cc25/start.htm>

Currently it hasn’t been updated much from the working model from just
prior to the con but there will be some future updates & it will
probably be kept at this site in perpetuity just for historical &
entertainment purposes.

Nora

 

Group: runacc Message: 1846 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-con 26 Convention Ch Date: 8/3/2008
Subject: Re: CC25 Website

Hi Nora —

I’ll be sure to update the link on the cc26.info site.

Kevin

von_drago wrote:

>
> For those who have links to it (or are simply interested) – the
> original CC25 website is going away.
> As of August 15, 2008. <www.cc25.net> , will be no more. The site in
> its entirety can still be viewed at:
> <www.casamai.com/slcg/cc25/start.htm>
>
> Currently it hasn’t been updated much from the working model from just
> prior to the con but there will be some future updates & it will
> probably be kept at this site in perpetuity just for historical &
> entertainment purposes.
>
> Nora
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1847 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-con 26 Convention Ch Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Re: Costume-ConNections has moved!!!

Sidebar is fixed.

For reference for anyone else using Gallery 2, when you edit an album
you can choose which items are displayed in the sidebar. A number of
them had custom fields turned on.

I cleared the problem by going through the 30 convention-level albums,
making sure custom fields were turned off in that album and telling it
to propagate the setting through child albums using that same (“Matrix”)
theme.

Took about 15 minutes to work through them.

Kevin

Betsy Delaney wrote:

>
> Hi, Bruce!
>
> Not a bit of it. Kevin and I barely got the site moved before the
> hosting account locked up (I still haven’t broken the news to them),
> and I’m on the road right now (in Louisville, CO, headed East on I-70
> starting tomorrow morning)!
>
> Karen and I still need to do the whole training thing so she knows how
> to add and modify records, which we’re doing after Labor Day. With
> luck, we can try to fix the problem, but I’m not cluefull enough to be
> sure it will work.
>
> I know it’s a pain, especially when rules are displayed…
>
> Sorry!
>
> Have you noticed anything else odd?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Betsy
>
> On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 6:48 PM, Bruce & Nora Mai
> <casamai@sbcglobal.net <mailto:casamai%40sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
> > I noticed you’re still double displaying the custom field info in two
> > columns. I take it you haven’t had a chance to fix that yet?
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> >> –
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1848 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Re: Costume-ConNections has moved!!!

My hero!

😎

Thanks, Kevin!

On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 2:12 AM, Kevin Roche, Costume-con 26 Convention
Chair <chair@cc26.org> wrote:

> Sidebar is fixed.

 

Group: runacc Message: 1849 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Re: Costume-ConNections has moved!!!

Many thanks, Kevin.

The CC site definitely benefits from your expertise with Gallery 2.

–Karen

—– Original Message —–
From: Kevin Roche, Costume-con 26 Convention Chair
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 2:12 AM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Costume-ConNections has moved!!!

Sidebar is fixed.

For reference for anyone else using Gallery 2, when you edit an album
you can choose which items are displayed in the sidebar. A number of
them had custom fields turned on.

I cleared the problem by going through the 30 convention-level albums,
making sure custom fields were turned off in that album and telling it
to propagate the setting through child albums using that same (“Matrix”)
theme.

Took about 15 minutes to work through them.

Kevin

Betsy Delaney wrote:
>
> Hi, Bruce!
>
> Not a bit of it. Kevin and I barely got the site moved before the
> hosting account locked up (I still haven’t broken the news to them),
> and I’m on the road right now (in Louisville, CO, headed East on I-70
> starting tomorrow morning)!
>
> Karen and I still need to do the whole training thing so she knows how
> to add and modify records, which we’re doing after Labor Day. With
> luck, we can try to fix the problem, but I’m not cluefull enough to be
> sure it will work.
>
> I know it’s a pain, especially when rules are displayed…
>
> Sorry!
>
> Have you noticed anything else odd?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Betsy
>
> On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 6:48 PM, Bruce & Nora Mai
> <casamai@sbcglobal.net <mailto:casamai%40sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
> > I noticed you’re still double displaying the custom field info in two
> > columns. I take it you haven’t had a chance to fix that yet?
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> >> –
>

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG – http://www.avg.com
Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1590 – Release Date: 8/4/2008 8:09 AM

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Group: runacc Message: 1850 From: Byron Connell Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Next Year’s Worldcon Masquerade
Some of you may have heard a rumor that I will be running the masquerade at Anticipation, next year’s Worldcon in Montreal.

The rumor is correct.

Barb Schofield and Martin Miller have withdrawn as Anticipation’s masquerade directors. At Denvention, I was asked to take the job and agreed to do so.

Barb and Martin filled several staff positions. I hope that those persons will continue in those positions. Beyond that, I will need all the help I can get!

Byron

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Group: runacc Message: 1751 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Hospitality
Group: runacc Message: 1752 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: Re: Video in the room (was RE: [runacc] CC26 – Hospitality)
Group: runacc Message: 1753 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Hospitality
Group: runacc Message: 1754 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: Re: Video in the room (was RE: [runacc] CC26 – Hospitality)
Group: runacc Message: 1755 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: Re: Not Bruce
Group: runacc Message: 1756 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Hospitality
Group: runacc Message: 1757 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Hospitality
Group: runacc Message: 1758 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Costume-Con TV – Video
Group: runacc Message: 1759 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Hospitality
Group: runacc Message: 1760 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: CC26 – Official Photography
Group: runacc Message: 1761 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Costume-Con TV – Video
Group: runacc Message: 1762 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 6/12/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – The SF & F Masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 1763 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 6/12/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – The SF & F Masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 1764 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/12/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Hospitality
Group: runacc Message: 1765 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/12/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Official Photography
Group: runacc Message: 1766 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/12/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – The SF & F Masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 1767 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/12/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – The SF & F Masquerade – judges
Group: runacc Message: 1768 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/12/2008
Subject: CC26 – Future Fashion Show
Group: runacc Message: 1769 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/12/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Future Fashion Show
Group: runacc Message: 1770 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-con 26 Convention Ch Date: 6/12/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Future Fashion Show
Group: runacc Message: 1771 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/12/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – The SF & F Masquerade – judges
Group: runacc Message: 1772 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/12/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Future Fashion Show
Group: runacc Message: 1773 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: CC26 – the Historical Masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 1774 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – the Historical Masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 1775 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – the Historical Masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 1776 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – the Historical Masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 1777 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – F&S/F Masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 1778 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – F&S/F & Historical Masquerades
Group: runacc Message: 1779 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – F&S/F Masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 1780 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – the Historical Masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 1781 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Notes on recruiting judges and problems therein
Group: runacc Message: 1782 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Disaster Avoidance (was Re: CC26 – Hospitality
Group: runacc Message: 1783 From: tinathebookworm Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – the Historical Masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 1784 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – HIstorical judges intros
Group: runacc Message: 1785 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – The SF & F MC
Group: runacc Message: 1786 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: Disaster Avoidance (was Re: CC26
Group: runacc Message: 1787 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – The SF & F MC
Group: runacc Message: 1788 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – The SF & F MC
Group: runacc Message: 1789 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – the Historical Masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 1790 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – the Historical Masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 1791 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – The SF & F MC
Group: runacc Message: 1792 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: Disaster Avoidance (was Re: CC26 – Hospitality
Group: runacc Message: 1793 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: Notes on recruiting judges and problems therein
Group: runacc Message: 1794 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/14/2008
Subject: A word about ICG Awards
Group: runacc Message: 1795 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/14/2008
Subject: Re: A word about ICG Awards
Group: runacc Message: 1796 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/14/2008
Subject: Re: A word about ICG Awards
Group: runacc Message: 1797 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/14/2008
Subject: Raise your hands if you’re *NOT* on ICG-D!
Group: runacc Message: 1798 From: tinathebookworm Date: 6/14/2008
Subject: Re: Raise your hands if you’re *NOT* on ICG-D!
Group: runacc Message: 1799 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 6/15/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – F/SF MC
Group: runacc Message: 1800 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: CC26 – Random observations, anecdotes and wrap up

 


 

Group: runacc Message: 1751 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Hospitality

In a message dated 6/11/2008 1:19:42 AM Central Daylight Time,
aramintamd@gmail.com writes:

> Did I miss anything?

Um, make it clear to people who want to have a party in the ConSuite what is
included in the deal?

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1752 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: Re: Video in the room (was RE: [runacc] CC26 – Hospitality)

In a message dated 6/11/2008 11:54:28 AM Central Daylight Time,
aramintamd@gmail.com writes:

> Agreed. That’s why I like the dual or multi-room layout for con
> suites. Though, based on the way the CC27 layout looks, we may not
> have a problem, future CCs might take note.
>
>
>

So, three interconnected rooms, two of which are the size of your average
hotel room, and the third being similar to the CC26 ConSuite would be a good
layout?

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1753 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Hospitality

On Jun 11, 2008, at 2:57 PM, osierhenry@cs.com wrote:

> In a message dated 6/11/2008 1:19:42 AM Central Daylight Time,
> aramintamd@gmail.com writes:
>> Did I miss anything?
> Um, make it clear to people who want to have a party in the ConSuite
> what is
> included in the deal?

I’ve got to give credit to CC22 (was it Lanny?) with, in 5 years, the
most proactive ConSuite head regarding sponsored nights. CC22 was in
the suburban south, not really the hotbed of the sorts of ethnic
grocery stores and shops we stock our parties from. They contacted us
in advance, discussed the shopping list and picked up snacks
appropriate to our party. We only had to do a run up the street to
Kroger to get a few bottles of wine, and, of course, be there to
decorate, host and clean up. This is the example we all should aspire
to, if there are enough volunteers.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1754 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: Re: Video in the room (was RE: [runacc] CC26 – Hospitality)

Some of our panel rooms are 30 feet or so from the consuite/ atruium we’ll do late night masq videos there in other wise unused rooms at that time. but still close enough to come get a soda without missing much.

Gravely MacCabre
http://www.castleblood.com
http://www.midnightmonsterhop.com
http://www.myspace.com/thecastleblood
http://www.myspace.com/midnightmonsterhop
clip samples at
http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood

—– Original Message —-
From: “osierhenry@cs.com” <osierhenry@cs.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 6:24:04 PM
Subject: Re: Video in the room (was RE: [runacc] CC26 – Hospitality)

In a message dated 6/11/2008 11:54:28 AM Central Daylight Time,
aramintamd@gmail. com writes:

> Agreed. That’s why I like the dual or multi-room layout for con
> suites. Though, based on the way the CC27 layout looks, we may not
> have a problem, future CCs might take note.
>
>
>

So, three interconnected rooms, two of which are the size of your average
hotel room, and the third being similar to the CC26 ConSuite would be a good
layout?

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1755 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: Re: Not Bruce

Oh & it’s not “representing the SLCG” or “collected opinions of the SLCG”
either. The information came from many sources, not just SLCG members.

Nora

> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Andrew Trembley
> Sorry, I was using “Bruce & Nora” as shorthand for “representing the
> SLCG” here. I was under the impression that the report pieces were the
> collected opinions of the SLCG.

 

Group: runacc Message: 1756 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Hospitality

I told Bruce that the lack of food in the green room was my fault. It was not Carole Parker’s fault.

The concom insisted that I have a second. This is one of the major problems of having a department head on the wrong coast from the rest of the concom. There was no one on the committee except Carole that I trusted to fill that function. After I was told that someone on the concom told her that she was not truly my second, just a stand-in at committee meetings, I had to repair my authority and reassured her that I had indeed designated her as second.

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: Andrew Trembley<mailto:attrembl@bovil.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] CC26 – Hospitality

On Jun 10, 2008, at 5:52 PM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
> This came in for criticism for different reasons. Everyone is
> already well
> aware of the major gaffs with the food for the Green Room and CC27, so
> there’s no point to rehashing those events. The only things worth adding
> were that whoever was in the room at midnight on Saturday after the
> masquerade was rude, and slammed the sliding door in people’s faces.
> Someone should have re-opened the room.

Actually, there are things to rehash on those events.

On the Green Room food?

Byron gets thrown under the train for the Saturday green room food
issue, not the ConSuite. He was asked to not use Carole as his assistant
director in the green room, as she already had one pre-con and one
at-con job and helping out on other issues always took precedence over
those jobs with her. He took her anyway, and the botched Saturday food
delivery was one of the results. When the green-room food pickup by
Carole on Saturday night was “incomplete,” ConSuite assigned one of
their staffers to take over Green Room snack service for Sunday morning
and night.

On the midnight closure and CC27’s party?

Not scheduling a closure for the masquerades was our mistake. Sandra
didn’t know this was a common thing to do at CC, and none of us thought
to suggest it to her. It left the staff there alone. A scheduled closure
would have allowed later scheduled hours after re-opening.

I will point out, though, that our scheduled hours weren’t significantly
different from the last 5 CC’s. At the last 5 CCs we specifically
negotiated extended hours in the ConSuites on our sponsorship nights
after the masquerades. I believe 21 and 23 just let us take over the
room and close when we wished. 22’s ConSuite head agreed to stay open
late with us. 24 was Des Moines, they always run parties late. Rachael
Hillen volunteered to stay on late with us at 25.

We also didn’t have everybody who was supposed to be hosting our parties
volunteering on or in the same night’s masquerade. We always had at
least one person (often me) whose only responsibility on sponsor night
was to coordinate final decorations and refreshments and welcoming folks
after masquerade on-site with the ConSuite head. That was a mistake on
the part of Ricky, Marty and the CC27 committee.

> Given the size of the con, it’s perfectly understandable that the
> committee
> shouldn’t have felt an obligation to feed the entire con. Yet, the choice
> of snacks seemed .underwhelming. There were no regional or signature
> specialties – we would have thought there’d be more of an effort there,
> given the rich local cultural background.

The snack selection in the ConSuite was rather pedestrian.

Sandra lost nearly two shopping days earlier in the week because she had
to run home to San Diego (8 hours each way) for a job interview. Not
going to begrudge her that.

> The Con Suite was rather small.

The ConSuite was significantly larger than the ConSuite at CC25 and 22,
and similar in size to the ConSuite at CC23. It was smaller than the
ConSuite at CC21 or CC24 (which was huge). It was also the largest room
that was covered under our corkage waiver, and the only large room that
was covered by the corkage waiver on an unrestricted floor.

It did suffer from the large “boardroom” table that cannot be removed.
We requested that they bring in a sofa or two, but that didn’t happen.

andy

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Group: runacc Message: 1757 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Hospitality

Two points:

1. Most cons are understaffed. That’s as true for sf cons as it is for CCs; Philcon certainly is understaffed. For the old LASTcons, we once estimated that one half of the membership needed to volunteer at least a couple of hours for the con to run smoothly. It is unusually difficult to get members of a CC to volunteer at con both because so many are working on costumes and because the con’s semi sercon nature encourages attendance at a large number of program items.

2. I was very surprised that no groups other than CC 27 sponsored the con suite. This was the first CC in a long time that did not have the con suite sponsored morning, afternoon, and evening throughout the con. Instead, unlike most CCs, CC 26 had separate room parties. Other CCs may have had a few room parties; however, sponsored con suite parties were the principal party venue after official con functions ended. CC 27 clearly was able to learn how to sponsor the con suite. The Pups, who were the bid group at CC 26 and should have had the opportunity to sponsor the con suite on Sunday after the voting results were announced, were not able to do so.

Turning the con suite over to outside sponsoring groups also would have taken care of the problem of an understaffed hospitality department, to the benefit of the concom, the sponsors, and the members.

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: Betsy Delaney<mailto:aramintamd@gmail.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 2:19 AM
Subject: Re: [runacc] CC26 – Hospitality

All right, then.

So here are the constructive things I’ve heard so far from the con
suite discussion, which can really be applied throughout the process:

* Make sure you have enough staff to cover the all bases and that
they’re clear on expectations and standards (because we have them and
when they’re not met we notice and are unhappy).

* We need to specify to our con suite managers that the con suite must
be available after the masquerade for at least several hours afterward
(till 2am at least or even 3am if feasible). [I’d love to include a
provision for showing the masquerade event(s) du juor, but that’s my
own personal preference and I’m just a con attendee….]

* We need to take more time to educate volunteers coming in from
outside the community so that they know what to expect when they’re at
CC. [Costume-Con University? Send Your Volunteers to School!]

Did I miss anything?

I can say, fairly safely, that the vast majority of communication
errors and problems over the last 8 years or so, give or take a con,
have had to do with understaffing and a lack of communication between
departments. The communication thing is especially important if you’re
bringing in folks from the local non-Costume-Con conventions to assist
with your con. Watch out for that friendly volunteer who only knows
how FooCon works and insists on doing things that way. Every time it
happens, the complaints are loud and extensive.

I’m getting punchy and the girls will be up too early today. Carry on!

-b

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Group: runacc Message: 1758 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Costume-Con TV – Video

You’ll be happy to know that Archives has arranged to buy the entire
collection.

Bruce

> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Betsy Delaney
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:32 PM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [runacc] CC26 – Costume-Con TV
>
>
> For the record, panels have been recorded for posterity at least
> twice, at CC6 and again at CC8 (I think), by Breighton (Rusty) Dawe’s
> company. I never purchased the sets (too much out of pocket money for
> me to afford with the archives). If someone in the crowd owns a set of
> these, it might be good to help the archives out. Hint.
>
> Cheers,

o/terms/

 

Group: runacc Message: 1759 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Hospitality

Harking back to something earlier, I’d have to agree that it’s a bid/future
CC rep or two actually be in the suite the night it is to be sponsored. It
avoids some communication problems. We made it very clear to all our people
who volunteered to help host that they needed to be in the Suite, setting
up, before the Masq ended.

And I don’t know if it was specifically stated – yes, the Con Suite should
be closed during the masquerade shows.

Bruce

> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Byron Connell
> Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 7:47 PM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [runacc] CC26 – Hospitality
>
> Two points:
>
> 1. Most cons are understaffed. That’s as true for sf cons as it is for

CCs; Philcon

> certainly is understaffed. For the old LASTcons, we once estimated that

one half of

> the membership needed to volunteer at least a couple of hours for the con

to run

> smoothly. It is unusually difficult to get members of a CC to volunteer

at con both

> because so many are working on costumes and because the con’s semi sercon
> nature encourages attendance at a large number of program items.
>
> 2. I was very surprised that no groups other than CC 27 sponsored the con

suite.

> This was the first CC in a long time that did not have the con suite

sponsored

> morning, afternoon, and evening throughout the con. Instead, unlike most

CCs, CC

> 26 had separate room parties. Other CCs may have had a few room parties;
> however, sponsored con suite parties were the principal party venue after

official

> con functions ended. CC 27 clearly was able to learn how to sponsor the

con suite.

> The Pups, who were the bid group at CC 26 and should have had the

opportunity to

> sponsor the con suite on Sunday after the voting results were announced,

were not

> able to do so.
>
> Turning the con suite over to outside sponsoring groups also would have

taken care

> of the problem of an understaffed hospitality department, to the benefit

of the

> concom, the sponsors, and the members.
>
> Byron
>
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: Betsy Delaney<mailto:aramintamd@gmail.com>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 2:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [runacc] CC26 – Hospitality
>
>
> All right, then.
>
> So here are the constructive things I’ve heard so far from the con
> suite discussion, which can really be applied throughout the process:
>
> * Make sure you have enough staff to cover the all bases and that
> they’re clear on expectations and standards (because we have them and
> when they’re not met we notice and are unhappy).
>
> * We need to specify to our con suite managers that the con suite must
> be available after the masquerade for at least several hours afterward
> (till 2am at least or even 3am if feasible). [I’d love to include a
> provision for showing the masquerade event(s) du juor, but that’s my
> own personal preference and I’m just a con attendee….]
>
> * We need to take more time to educate volunteers coming in from
> outside the community so that they know what to expect when they’re at
> CC. [Costume-Con University? Send Your Volunteers to School!]
>
> Did I miss anything?
>
> I can say, fairly safely, that the vast majority of communication
> errors and problems over the last 8 years or so, give or take a con,
> have had to do with understaffing and a lack of communication between
> departments. The communication thing is especially important if you’re
> bringing in folks from the local non-Costume-Con conventions to assist
> with your con. Watch out for that friendly volunteer who only knows
> how FooCon works and insists on doing things that way. Every time it
> happens, the complaints are loud and extensive.
>
> I’m getting punchy and the girls will be up too early today. Carry on!
>
> -b
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo!

Groups

> Links
>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1760 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: CC26 – Official Photography
As near as we can tell, this was very successful. The stickers on costumer
badges (I’m guessing to help keep track of who had been snapped) seemed a
bit fussy to some, but if it works, that’s what’s important. Having a
combined official and fan photography area seemed to work – the official
photographer seemed to be able to get his job done without much
interference.

“Richard had a nice selection of pics of my masq entry for me to choose
from. They weren’t overpriced and were ready for my within an hour of my
ordering them. Kudos there.”

The only criticism was about the order forms for photos. They were
confusing and incomprehensible. When some of us tried to ask an assistant
about it, she had difficulty explaining it, and deferred to the official
photographer, who was busy doing his job. Individual photos seemed
expensive to others, but we assume there’ll be a deal on CD/DVDs(?). Some
people like to buy a folio of official photos, but there appeared to be no
plans for that, judging by the undecipherable forms. Obviously, if there’s
eventually going to be “20000+” images, a smaller collection needs to be
available – nobody needs 30 different angles of the same costume. The
online folio available from CC24 was very affordable ($.20 a photo?), and I
believe we had something like it for CC25.

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Group: runacc Message: 1761 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Costume-Con TV – Video

Oh, excellent!

That’s definitely a worthwhile investment on my ICG dues increase. 😎

Thanks!

Betsy

On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 10:51 PM, Bruce & Nora Mai
<casamai@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> You’ll be happy to know that Archives has arranged to buy the entire
> collection.
>
> Bruce
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1762 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 6/12/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – The SF & F Masquerade

Both Ricky and I have additional discussion on this topic to bring up (maybe over the weekend if we have time?), but I wanted to address one comment now.

This is being discussed on runacc and not on ICG-D because some of the information needs to be known by future concoms (so we can FIX it!), but should not be out there in general circulation.

If Bruce’s numbers below are not broken out by skill division, 40% of the overall entries got workmanship awards, and 32% of the overall entries got stage awards. Yes, the numbers seem low, especially for the stage awards, and especially for a Costume-Con. But not outrageously low (for example, if only 15% or 20% of the overall entries had received awards).

I am a firm believer in “Excellence Deserves Award.” That being said, once you start awarding high numbers of entries (over 60% of the masquerade), you might as well award the whole damn masquerade, because the ones who are left out are going to have VERY hurt feelings. This happened at the Chicago Worldcon in 1982 (the very hurt feelings), and it was a very bad situation that sparked off a lively discussion in Costumapa about what were reasonable percentages of awards to give, and I think the consensus was about 40% of the masquerade. (Remember, this was a Worldcon–the first CC hadn’t even happened yet.) And if you award the whole damn masquerade (as was done at one of the masquerades at CC11), the awards are no longer meaningful. (It’s just an “I’m OK, you’re OK, here we are all being mediocre together” lovefest.) So you have to draw the line somewhere.

I was one of the presentation judges at CC26. Yes, I knew there were going to have to be some difficult cuts so we didn’t award the whole damn masquerade (as discussed above). Unfortunately, my co-judges really took that to heart and only wanted to award 3 or 4 things in each skill division. I had to fight just to get a few Honorable Mentions to pop the numbers. I specifically revisited the Master Division, which comprised HALF the masquerade, and said, “This is the largest division. Are you SURE you don’t want to give out more awards? We don’t have to be stingy here.” Nope, they’d picked their handful of things, they were happy, they didn’t even want to look at the rest. End of discussion.

Given my druthers, I would have awarded 5 or 6 more entries in the Master Division, and 1 or 2 more entries in the Journeyman Division. And the overall percentages would have been much more in line with the “average” numbers for CC that Bruce cited below. But I was working with two co-judges who had never judged at a CC before (one of them had never even attended a CC before), were apparently unfamilar with our con culture (or at least our usual judging criteria), and voted as a bloc that I could not get past. I’m sure they meant well, but none of us were given any judging instructions by the Masquerade Director (not even “Excellence Deserves Award”), so they worked with what they knew.

So this is the part where I say:

(1) It is VERY important that the Masquerade Director give instructions to the judges, and some of the instructive items possibly should be:

a) Excellence deserves award.
b) This is a costume competition, not a talent show. Judge the costume first and the presentation second.
c) Forgive minor wobbles in a presentation. Most of the entrants are amateurs doing this as a hobby.
d) Unfortunate accidents (falling off the stage) should not count against a contestant.
e) I don’t care if you’ve seen that entry at 5 other local and regional conventions. This is an international convention and the entrant is allowed to compete up.
f) I don’t care if you’ve seen that concept/costume done better by somebody else somewhere else. You are judging what’s on the stage here tonight.

(2) I am all for training new judges, so we have a larger pool to draw from. HOWEVER, it’s probably a good idea to have only ONE newbie judge on a panel at one time. The voting bloc of two newbie judges (out of a panel of 3, so the experienced judge was a minority) at CC26 is most of what made the presentation awards so eccentric.

Discuss amongst yourselves.

–Karen

—– Original Message —–
From: Bruce & Nora Mai
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 11:55 AM
Subject: [runacc] CC26 – The SF & F Masquerade

Without boring you too much, the SF & F masquerades in the past 5 years
averaged anywhere from 50% to 66% of the entries receiving some sort of
awards in each Skill Division. This is how CC26 broke down, excluding Best
In Show:

10 Novices
13 Journeymen
24 Masters

Workmanship awards
Novices – 5 (50%)
Journeymen – 7 (53%)
Masters – 7 – (29%)

Presentation awards
Novices – 4 (40%)
Journeymen – 4 (30%)
Masters – 7 (29%)

Maybe I could see that the presentations for Journeymen might not have been
stellar, but what obviously stands out is the low percentage for Masters.
To me, something was amiss. Given the quality of the costumes I saw back
stage, the Costume-Con axiom “Excellence Deserves Recognition” was clearly
not well served – especially for the Master entries.

.

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Group: runacc Message: 1763 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 6/12/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – The SF & F Masquerade

I wish I had realized this was going on*. I’ve already mentioned to
Ricky and Karen offlist that I didn’t realize there was no judges
briefing; I’d left that to the MD to carry out and expected it would
happen at the judges’ dinner.

However — the published judging guidelines (which were part of the
published F&SF Rules for CC26) very specifically mention “Excellence
Deserves Award”
They’re still posted: the last section but one on this page:
http://www.cc26.info/main.php?section=events&page=fsf_masq

So that tells me that on top of there being no briefing, the new judges
Had Not Read The Rules!

That is something to add to our list of lessons to carry forward: as
part of the briefing, make sure the judges have read and are familiar
with the rules.

Kevin

*(for those of you who saw me backstage at CC26 on Saturday, I was there
to try and keep my database disaster from making things any worse, not
to try to take over for Jennifer)

Ricky & Karen Dick wrote:

>
>
> Given my druthers, I would have awarded 5 or 6 more entries in the
> Master Division, and 1 or 2 more entries in the Journeyman Division.
> And the overall percentages would have been much more in line with the
> “average” numbers for CC that Bruce cited below. But I was working
> with two co-judges who had never judged at a CC before (one of them
> had never even attended a CC before), were apparently unfamilar with
> our con culture (or at least our usual judging criteria), and voted as
> a bloc that I could not get past. I’m sure they meant well, but none
> of us were given any judging instructions by the Masquerade Director
> (not even “Excellence Deserves Award”), so they worked with what they
> knew.
>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1764 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/12/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Hospitality

In a message dated 6/11/2008 10:02:01 PM Central Daylight Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> Harking back to something earlier, I’d have to agree that it’s a bid/future
> CC rep or two actually be in the suite the night it is to be sponsored. It
> avoids some communication problems. We made it very clear to all our people
> who volunteered to help host that they needed to be in the Suite, setting
> up, before the Masq ended.
>
>
>
>
>

My money was tight, and so was available staff. So, I had Kringle delivered
as a contribution to the Suite.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1765 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/12/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Official Photography

From the perspective of the green rooms, official photography ran very smoothly and swiftly. In addition, Richard was able to accommodate my requests to move up entrants who were early in the running order, to assure that everyone was photographed before going on stage.

Good job!

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: Bruce & Nora Mai<mailto:casamai@sbcglobal.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 11:02 PM
Subject: [runacc] CC26 – Official Photography

As near as we can tell, this was very successful. The stickers on costumer
badges (I’m guessing to help keep track of who had been snapped) seemed a
bit fussy to some, but if it works, that’s what’s important. Having a
combined official and fan photography area seemed to work – the official
photographer seemed to be able to get his job done without much
interference.

“Richard had a nice selection of pics of my masq entry for me to choose
from. They weren’t overpriced and were ready for my within an hour of my
ordering them. Kudos there.”

The only criticism was about the order forms for photos. They were
confusing and incomprehensible. When some of us tried to ask an assistant
about it, she had difficulty explaining it, and deferred to the official
photographer, who was busy doing his job. Individual photos seemed
expensive to others, but we assume there’ll be a deal on CD/DVDs(?). Some
people like to buy a folio of official photos, but there appeared to be no
plans for that, judging by the undecipherable forms. Obviously, if there’s
eventually going to be “20000+” images, a smaller collection needs to be
available – nobody needs 30 different angles of the same costume. The
online folio available from CC24 was very affordable ($.20 a photo?), and I
believe we had something like it for CC25.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 1766 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/12/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – The SF & F Masquerade

workmanship judging at CC-26 was the single most unpleasant CC experience for me ever.

We all spent way too much time on judges instructions after the Ogden masq, to ensure many of the things Karen listed would come to pass.
Sadley the CC-26 Masq director was part of the group in Ogden that parcipitated the whole judging conversation.

those lessons were either not learned , or there was a gliche somewhere, because my workmanship judging partner came to the party with more bias that a Wright factory trim outlet.

If I hadn’t fought for them, there would have been AT LEAST 7 less awards given.
as it was, there were still,people that got screwed in the judging. Lisa Ashton especially.

as for the way judging was set up for us, well, that made it impossable for everyone to get a fair deal.
Aurora Celeste for sure got the short end because of the problems.

a simple answer would have been a set of pipe and drape out in the hall way, so a den or two, and the check in table could have been out there.
perhaps the hotel didn’t want this, but guess what, part of the problem we had was that like it or not, the big costumes went out there, so we had to go back and forth to judge them. the space got used either way, just very inefficientley.

The demands on Byron were unfair, and he and I even had a few cross moments, which has never happened. mostly because of space usage.

but the worst was actually figuring out the awards.
my partner was stingy, and had an intentional bias about many of the entrants there, whether it be that she had already seen the costume, or that she had seen other costumes like it, she could not tolerate the idea that, if it’s there we judge it as if it’s our very first time to ever see something like that.

She finally got sick of me, and just started recuseing herself when I would bring something up, so I started handing out all the honorable mentions to at least get people something.

but what a mess.
I strongly suggest she not be allowed anywhere near a CC judging panel again for quite a long time

rough night. I shall not be judging for a while, that’s for sure. I have too many friends still pissed at me, because for both Karen and I, well, we’re easy targets, the other 3 judges that night, go off into the darkness and no one knows where to find them.

Gravely MacCabre
http://www.castleblood.com
http://www.midnightmonsterhop.com
http://www.myspace.com/thecastleblood
http://www.myspace.com/midnightmonsterhop
clip samples at
http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood

—– Original Message —-
From: Ricky & Karen Dick <castleb@atlanticbb.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 2:14:36 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] CC26 – The SF & F Masquerade

Both Ricky and I have additional discussion on this topic to bring up (maybe over the weekend if we have time?), but I wanted to address one comment now.

This is being discussed on runacc and not on ICG-D because some of the information needs to be known by future concoms (so we can FIX it!), but should not be out there in general circulation.

If Bruce’s numbers below are not broken out by skill division, 40% of the overall entries got workmanship awards, and 32% of the overall entries got stage awards. Yes, the numbers seem low, especially for the stage awards, and especially for a Costume-Con. But not outrageously low (for example, if only 15% or 20% of the overall entries had received awards).

I am a firm believer in “Excellence Deserves Award.” That being said, once you start awarding high numbers of entries (over 60% of the masquerade), you might as well award the whole damn masquerade, because the ones who are left out are going to have VERY hurt feelings. This happened at the Chicago Worldcon in 1982 (the very hurt feelings), and it was a very bad situation that sparked off a lively discussion in Costumapa about what were reasonable percentages of awards to give, and I think the consensus was about 40% of the masquerade. (Remember, this was a Worldcon–the first CC hadn’t even happened yet.) And if you award the whole damn masquerade (as was done at one of the masquerades at CC11), the awards are no longer meaningful. (It’s just an “I’m OK, you’re OK, here we are all being mediocre together” lovefest.) So you have to draw the line somewhere.

I was one of the presentation judges at CC26. Yes, I knew there were going to have to be some difficult cuts so we didn’t award the whole damn masquerade (as discussed above). Unfortunately, my co-judges really took that to heart and only wanted to award 3 or 4 things in each skill division. I had to fight just to get a few Honorable Mentions to pop the numbers. I specifically revisited the Master Division, which comprised HALF the masquerade, and said, “This is the largest division. Are you SURE you don’t want to give out more awards? We don’t have to be stingy here.” Nope, they’d picked their handful of things, they were happy, they didn’t even want to look at the rest. End of discussion.

Given my druthers, I would have awarded 5 or 6 more entries in the Master Division, and 1 or 2 more entries in the Journeyman Division. And the overall percentages would have been much more in line with the “average” numbers for CC that Bruce cited below. But I was working with two co-judges who had never judged at a CC before (one of them had never even attended a CC before), were apparently unfamilar with our con culture (or at least our usual judging criteria), and voted as a bloc that I could not get past. I’m sure they meant well, but none of us were given any judging instructions by the Masquerade Director (not even “Excellence Deserves Award”), so they worked with what they knew.

So this is the part where I say:

(1) It is VERY important that the Masquerade Director give instructions to the judges, and some of the instructive items possibly should be:

a) Excellence deserves award.
b) This is a costume competition, not a talent show. Judge the costume first and the presentation second.
c) Forgive minor wobbles in a presentation. Most of the entrants are amateurs doing this as a hobby.
d) Unfortunate accidents (falling off the stage) should not count against a contestant.
e) I don’t care if you’ve seen that entry at 5 other local and regional conventions. This is an international convention and the entrant is allowed to compete up.
f) I don’t care if you’ve seen that concept/costume done better by somebody else somewhere else. You are judging what’s on the stage here tonight.

(2) I am all for training new judges, so we have a larger pool to draw from. HOWEVER, it’s probably a good idea to have only ONE newbie judge on a panel at one time. The voting bloc of two newbie judges (out of a panel of 3, so the experienced judge was a minority) at CC26 is most of what made the presentation awards so eccentric.

Discuss amongst yourselves.

–Karen

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From: Bruce & Nora Mai
To: runacc@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 11:55 AM
Subject: [runacc] CC26 – The SF & F Masquerade

Without boring you too much, the SF & F masquerades in the past 5 years
averaged anywhere from 50% to 66% of the entries receiving some sort of
awards in each Skill Division. This is how CC26 broke down, excluding Best
In Show:

10 Novices
13 Journeymen
24 Masters

Workmanship awards
Novices – 5 (50%)
Journeymen – 7 (53%)
Masters – 7 – (29%)

Presentation awards
Novices – 4 (40%)
Journeymen – 4 (30%)
Masters – 7 (29%)

Maybe I could see that the presentations for Journeymen might not have been
stellar, but what obviously stands out is the low percentage for Masters.
To me, something was amiss. Given the quality of the costumes I saw back
stage, the Costume-Con axiom “Excellence Deserves Recognition” was clearly
not well served – especially for the Master entries.

..

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Group: runacc Message: 1767 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/12/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – The SF & F Masquerade – judges

Wow. That’s – that’s really…..unconscionable. I’ll readily admit I’m
singularly unimpressed with Klingons – just as an example, but I’ll still be
impressed if it’s a good Klingon costume. I guess you didn’t really have
the time, but this should have been reported to the MD. If the MD (or
whoever chose the judges) didn’t know about this bias, they should have.
And never asked them.

Bruce

> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Gravely MacCabre
> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 7:11 PM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [runacc] CC26 – The SF & F Masquerade
>
>
> but the worst was actually figuring out the awards.
> my partner was stingy, and had an intentional bias about many of the

entrants there,

> whether it be that she had already seen the costume, or that she had seen

other

> costumes like it, she could not tolerate the idea that, if it’s there we

judge it as if it’s

> our very first time to ever see something like that.
>
> She finally got sick of me, and just started recuseing herself when I

would bring

> something up, so I started handing out all the honorable mentions to at

least get

> people something.
>
> but what a mess.
> I strongly suggest she not be allowed anywhere near a CC judging panel

again for

> quite a long time
>
> rough night. I shall not be judging for a while, that’s for sure. I have

too many

> friends still pissed at me, because for both Karen and I, well, we’re easy

targets, the

> other 3 judges that night, go off into the darkness and no one knows where

to find

> them.

 

Group: runacc Message: 1768 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/12/2008
Subject: CC26 – Future Fashion Show

This show did one of the best jobs of capturing a Fashion Show to date –
suspending the flash photography rule worked for this event. Seating was
good, allowing for relatively close up views of the costumers. There were
complaints that the 8:00 am rehearsal time was unnecessary, given how brief
the rehearsals actually were. Communications between some of the Fashion
Show staff seemed disjointed, with some staff not all on the same page when
giving participants their instructions. The projectors used to show
designs from the Folio worn by the participants worked well for the most
part.

There was one supposed complaint about the judging:

“I know a cosplay girl who actually won an award at the FFF but was

> treated horrably by the judges which is why she had requested to be
> exebition and not judged. Which was not done. Found this out from her
> mom who I spent a lot of time with the night before so she felt
> comfortable telling me.”

But this was disputed by someone else:

“.costume backgrounds was definitely NEVER commented on. A very prominent
cosplayer won one of the categories, and one of the judges is also a
cosplayer, and no one present seemed to care enough to comment during any of
the process. I also don’t remember anyone being treated horribly during
judging from where I was sitting.. There were also people who refused to be
judged, the line was voluntary, unless she was confused over which line she
was standing in and accidentally ended up at judging.
However, from inference, I believe this was more of a case of a combination
of parental expectations of a different kind of contest and lack of
communication with the FFF directors on many levels, not all of them the
fault of the con.”

Showing the fashions by category, and then immediately announcing their
awards worked very well. The judges were reported to be attentive and
friendly.

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Group: runacc Message: 1769 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/12/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Future Fashion Show

I believe a decision to enter out-of-competition would have had to have been made before judging, not after.

Byron

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From: Bruce & Nora Mai<mailto:casamai@sbcglobal.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 9:49 PM
Subject: [runacc] CC26 – Future Fashion Show

This show did one of the best jobs of capturing a Fashion Show to date –
suspending the flash photography rule worked for this event. Seating was
good, allowing for relatively close up views of the costumers. There were
complaints that the 8:00 am rehearsal time was unnecessary, given how brief
the rehearsals actually were. Communications between some of the Fashion
Show staff seemed disjointed, with some staff not all on the same page when
giving participants their instructions. The projectors used to show
designs from the Folio worn by the participants worked well for the most
part.

There was one supposed complaint about the judging:

“I know a cosplay girl who actually won an award at the FFF but was
> treated horrably by the judges which is why she had requested to be
> exebition and not judged. Which was not done. Found this out from her
> mom who I spent a lot of time with the night before so she felt
> comfortable telling me.”

But this was disputed by someone else:

“.costume backgrounds was definitely NEVER commented on. A very prominent
cosplayer won one of the categories, and one of the judges is also a
cosplayer, and no one present seemed to care enough to comment during any of
the process. I also don’t remember anyone being treated horribly during
judging from where I was sitting.. There were also people who refused to be
judged, the line was voluntary, unless she was confused over which line she
was standing in and accidentally ended up at judging.
However, from inference, I believe this was more of a case of a combination
of parental expectations of a different kind of contest and lack of
communication with the FFF directors on many levels, not all of them the
fault of the con.”

Showing the fashions by category, and then immediately announcing their
awards worked very well. The judges were reported to be attentive and
friendly.

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Group: runacc Message: 1770 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-con 26 Convention Ch Date: 6/12/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Future Fashion Show

I spoke to the mother in question; the problem was that the way the
announcements were made made it sound like judging was mandatory.

There was also an issue that the young lady’s paperwork was missing
release forms, and thus they ended up out of sorts to start with because
she was not admitted to the backstage until they were found and signed.
The mom felt the girl was being ostracized and punished by being made to
sit outside during that time.

It was entirely dramalicious… I know the mom in question, and a series
of her buttons got pushed in rapid succession by brusque communications
from the Directors.

Kevin

Byron Connell wrote:

>
> I believe a decision to enter out-of-competition would have had to
> have been made before judging, not after.
>
> Byron
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1771 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/12/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – The SF & F Masquerade – judges

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 9:38 PM, Bruce & Nora Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Wow. That’s – that’s really…..unconscionable. I’ll readily admit I’m
> singularly unimpressed with Klingons – just as an example, but I’ll still be
> impressed if it’s a good Klingon costume. I guess you didn’t really have
> the time, but this should have been reported to the MD. If the MD (or
> whoever chose the judges) didn’t know about this bias, they should have.
> And never asked them.
>
> Bruce
>
>> —–Original Message—–
>> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
>> Gravely MacCabre
>> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 7:11 PM
>> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [runacc] CC26 – The SF & F Masquerade
>>
>> rough night. I shall not be judging for a while, that’s for sure. I have
> too many
>> friends still pissed at me, because for both Karen and I, well, we’re easy
> targets, the
>> other 3 judges that night, go off into the darkness and no one knows where
> to find
>> them.

Sadly, it’s this same sort of experience that has put me off judging
for the future. I may reconsider if I think the other judges will be
fair, but after CC23, I’ve still got a sour taste in my mouth.

I can really feel both Karen and Ricky’s pain on this particular
subject. It’s hard enough to answer people when they ask why this or
that got an award, but it’s damn painful when you know you’d have
given something to someone and the other judges (because of personal
bias) refused to do it. There’s almost nothing you can say that will
make it any better for the individuals who you know got shafted
because of that bias.

As I said, I hope the future CC directors have been chosen very
carefully and are prepared to give appropriate instructions to their
judges (and are ready to enforce them, as needed).

Betsy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1772 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/12/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Future Fashion Show

Kevin Roche, Costume-con 26 Convention Chair wrote:

> There was also an issue that the young lady’s paperwork was missing
> release forms, and thus they ended up out of sorts to start with because
> she was not admitted to the backstage until they were found and signed.
> The mom felt the girl was being ostracized and punished by being made to
> sit outside during that time.

I was one of the people sitting up talking with her (the mom) until
oh-god-awful Sunday morning in the sewing room, and we talked then about
their not having checked in at the FFS desk to complete their paperwork
on Friday or on Saturday morning.

Regardless of whether the directors responded inappropriately or not,
this was also a question of the entrant and her mom not reading the
rules or understanding their responsibilities.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1773 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: CC26 – the Historical Masquerade
The show itself was well-paced, and the MC did an excellent job of
pronouncing difficult names. Once again, though, there seemed to be very
few awards for the body of works presented. Because there are always fewer
entries in the Historical, it’s a little harder to judge percentages, plus
the criteria for awards are different. Nonetheless..

Stats, based on the CC26 website:

28 entries, excluding non-competition or Young Fan. Excluding the BIS and a
Director’s Special Award (mentioned earlier):

Workmanship
2 out of 4 Novices
3 out of 8 Journeymen
2 out of 12 Masters

Presentation
1 out of 4 Novices
1 out of 8 Journeymen
3 out of 12 Masters

Were the standards that much higher? I’ll leave you to draw your own
conclusions.

Some people did not like the format of the judging. To be fair, everyone
has their preferences of a being judged in their rooms vs. presenting to a
panel, but here’s a story from one of our people:

“It seemed like the judges took more time to clarify if my entry counted to
be entered than they spent actually talking to me about it. They had shown
much knowledge about my documentation, though, so perhaps I just had good
info in there to balance.
However, having a table crammed with 8 people to talk to in judging (later
determined only 5 were judges) was incredibly unnerving, and there was no
spokesperson or ‘friendly face’, just people shooting businesslike questions
in a few minutes. I was also told in uncertain terms that my judging was to
be fast, and I got half the time of the people before me because they were
running behind and the clerk was rushing them.”

Also:

“The historical judges were unnecessarily intimidating. Doesn’t hurt to be
friendly. And I know they didn’t read my documentation (which was amazingly
short) cause one asked me why I chose the fabric I did which was clearly
spelled out on the second page”

This would seem to be yet another indication of problems with the selection
of the judges, as has been discussed here and on the D list. Sounds like
these people took themselves way too seriously.

It should also be pointed out that, once again, a special mention award was
overlooked being announced by the MD.

The next bits are just my personal observations:

I don’t know if you all heard about two Green Room incidents: one may be
needed to review for policy, the other was a just disturbing.

Returning from stage, one entry’s participants broke open some flasks to
celebrate. Maybe it’s me, but I found this inappropriate to have alcohol in
the Green Room. The people who were involved should have known better. I
can’t imagine it setting any precedents, but con committees don’t want to be
caught unawares.

I call the other incident “Who brought the loaded gun into the Green Room”?
A participant changed their child’s diaper in the Green Room on a chair used
by the rest of the costumers present. First of all – ew. It was bad enough
that no attempt was made to cover said seat, so this it wasn’t exactly
sanitary for use afterwards. What was worse was this was a male infant and
no precautions were taken in case there was an “accident”. This was just
irresponsible. Imagine what kind of catastrophe might have occurred had
something happened? Again, a one-time incident, but the Den folks should
get some blame for not catching this and offering an alternative.

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Group: runacc Message: 1774 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – the Historical Masquerade
These comments on the Hist. judges should be no surprise anytime the Orie Bradley Historical Mafia are in control of a masquerade judges panel

There was one east coast judge on the panel, and she too was treated as the poor stepchild who should just keep quiet as she obviously didn’t know anything.

although for openness I’ll confess that my ass is still smarting over the same treatment ( mean, snotty and don’t read documentation) that the same group gave me at CC-6
They know what they know, and we are all beneath them.

which in one way is fine as a judge, better to have smart ones than dumb ones as far as the topic goes ( which is why I’ve turned down judging historic in the past)but not when you have to judge something that takes interpersonal skills and actuall communication with the entrants
Ricky

Also:

“The historical judges were unnecessarily intimidating. Doesn’t hurt to be
friendly. And I know they didn’t read my documentation (which was amazingly
short) cause one asked me why I chose the fabric I did which was clearly
spelled out on the second page”

This would seem to be yet another indication of problems with the selection
of the judges, as has been discussed here and on the D list. Sounds like
these people took themselves way too seriously.

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Group: runacc Message: 1775 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – the Historical Masquerade
The show itself was well-paced, and the MC did an excellent job of
pronouncing difficult names.

Agreed, what a sly way of saying Jay was a good ballanced mc and obviously a breath of fresh air after the HORRIBLE awful crappiest job of mcing I’ve seen at a CC from the night before.

I don’t want the hist. topic to get highjacked here, and go back to sf, so I just wanted your comment as a segue.

Ricky

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Group: runacc Message: 1776 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – the Historical Masquerade

Yes, where on earth did the MC come from that did the F&S/F?!!

It was obvious he didn’t go over anyone’s names with them backstage because he mispronounced so many of them.

He did “joke” introductions of the judges (which we all played along with, thinking he would do the real ones later, and he NEVER did).

He read from his blog to kill time (and his blog was NOT that interesting).

When “made,” “worn,” and “constructed by” information was identical, he insisted on reading the same long string of names three times instead of saying “made, worn, and constructed by” and reading the names once.

I felt like I had gone back 30 years to the MCing of yore…and NOT in a good way.

–Karen

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From: Gravely MacCabre
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: [runacc] CC26 – the Historical Masquerade

The show itself was well-paced, and the MC did an excellent job of
pronouncing difficult names.

Agreed, what a sly way of saying Jay was a good ballanced mc and obviously a breath of fresh air after the HORRIBLE awful crappiest job of mcing I’ve seen at a CC from the night before.

I don’t want the hist. topic to get highjacked here, and go back to sf, so I just wanted your comment as a segue.

Ricky

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Group: runacc Message: 1777 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – F&S/F Masquerade
And speaking of the judges’ introductions…

The F&S/F judges were told that they could not walk across the stage when they were introduced because of the stage and pipe-and-drape setup. (i.e., it would be difficult to get to the judges’ table)

The F&S/F judges got “joke” (unintelligible made-up words) introductions by the MC, and never got real ones. (And this is not an ego-boo thing–the audience, contestants, and fellow judges need to know that judging is being done by qualified people.)

However…

Funny thing, on the next night (with the SAME stage setup), the Historical judges walked across the stage as they were introduced.

And the Historical judges each got a nice introduction about their costuming credentials and interests.

I feel like a second-class citizen right now.

–Karen

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Group: runacc Message: 1778 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – F&S/F & Historical Masquerades

There is one simple difference between Saturday and Sunday:: the
Historical MDs and the crew (the *same* crew) had the benefit of
learning from everything that went to crap on Saturday night, and an
extra day to change things.
That is one reason many (not all) things worked better at Historical.
Kevin

Ricky & Karen Dick wrote:

>
> And speaking of the judges’ introductions…
>
> The F&S/F judges were told that they could not walk across the stage
> when they were introduced because of the stage and pipe-and-drape
> setup. (i.e., it would be difficult to get to the judges’ table)
>
> The F&S/F judges got “joke” (unintelligible made-up words)
> introductions by the MC, and never got real ones. (And this is not an
> ego-boo thing–the audience, contestants, and fellow judges need to
> know that judging is being done by qualified people.)
>
> However…
>
> Funny thing, on the next night (with the SAME stage setup), the
> Historical judges walked across the stage as they were introduced.
>
> And the Historical judges each got a nice introduction about their
> costuming credentials and interests.
>
> I feel like a second-class citizen right now.
>
> –Karen
>
> [
>
> .
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1779 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – F&S/F Masquerade
The emcee of the SF/F masquerade was appallingly bad.

The folks back stage left were looking at each other like this guy was
from Mars. Literally.

Would this fall under the same category of “didn’t get instructions
prior to the masquerade?” I understand he was stalling because he
needed paperwork, but there are far better ways to entertain the
audience.

I’ve got experience at the microphone (especially after CCXV), but
I’ve never emceed before this year’s event and I was exceptionally
nervous about getting it “right.” Especially after the previous event,
I was terrified Sunday morning. Thank god tech got it right for the
Fashion Show.

What on earth?

-b

 

Group: runacc Message: 1780 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – the Historical Masquerade

Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> “And I know they didn’t read my documentation (which was amazingly
> short) cause one asked me why I chose the fabric I did which was clearly
> spelled out on the second page”

Mind you, I wasn’t judging, so I can’t speak to the specific incident,
but…

Asking a question that’s answered in the documentation doesn’t
necessarily mean that the judges didn’t read it. It could as easily
indicate they did.

Some judges are sneaky. This could be a fishing tactic to see how well
the entrant knows their material. I would discourage this sort of thing
myself.

An open-ended question may also indicate that the judges are looking for
a more thorough answer than merely what the doc provides, but they don’t
want to lead the entrant to a specific answer. I think that’s a valid
technique, as it can lead to answers the judges don’t expect.

Then again, there’s the likely possibility:

The judges did read the documentation, but all the entries makes for a
lot of material. Not every detail of every piece of documentation stuck
in their brain, or it stuck just enough to trigger a question.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1781 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Notes on recruiting judges and problems therein
One of our biggest pre-con difficulties (and one I think Byron will have
sympathy for after his experience last year) with all the competitions
this year was in recruiting judges.

While Ellie and Jennifer both used to be regular CC attendees, they both
fell out of the circuit years ago, and their much of their out-of-region
connections dried up. So that was part of the problem.

The other part of the problem was that most of their still-good
connections (who weren’t on staff) were all planning entries, and
weren’t available. They just didn’t get started recruiting early enough
to catch folks before they made entry plans.

That’s how we got multiple judges with limited or no Costume-Con
experience on the F&SF panels, and how Lisa (who we recruited for Ellie)
got dropped in on a judging panel where everyone else was practically
family.

So here’s what didn’t happen on our end that ya’ll need to consider:

If Marty is going to be at Denvention, he ought to talk with the CC27
show directors about what he can do to help recruit judges for them when
he’s there. Better yet, if your directors are going to be at Worldcon,
they can recruit themselves. I’ve talked with Jill and Dr. Karen about
their masquerade, and I think they’re off to a great start.

Henry: You need to have your show directors at CC27 talking with
possible judge candidates. If you’ve got anybody going to Anticipation
(Montreal Worldcon), ditto.

We didn’t have WorldCon as a recruiting point last year; Yokohama was
just too far away and too expensive for so many people. The folks who do
both WorldCon and CC often have a lull in plans at that point, it’s a
great time to get them. Recruiting at ConJose was one of the things that
helped me develop a geographically diverse panel of judges for CC21.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1782 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Disaster Avoidance (was Re: CC26 – Hospitality

On Jun 11, 2008, at 5:21 PM, Byron Connell wrote:

> I told Bruce that the lack of food in the green room was my fault.
> It was not Carole Parker’s fault.
>
> The concom insisted that I have a second. This is one of the major
> problems of having a department head on the wrong coast from the
> rest of the concom. There was no one on the committee except Carole
> that I trusted to fill that function. After I was told that someone
> on the concom told her that she was not truly my second, just a
> stand-in at committee meetings, I had to repair my authority and
> reassured her that I had indeed designated her as second.

This hits on the issue of disaster-planning that Ricky brought up.
Every department head having a second was a major disaster-planning
effort. This was partially to ensure that in a real disaster, there
would be someone who had all the info and could take over, and
partially to spread out the work at-con.

* There were departments in which things ran well enough that having
or not having a second did not make a difference to their success.
* There were departments in which having a second was an important
part of their success. Having a hotel second was a big part of hotel’s
success, not because the primary was a problem but because things
happened with the hotel itself that increased their work-load. Having
a good tech second helped us recover from some hits tech took in the
week before the convention.
* There were departments in which having a second helped, but
ultimately wasn’t enough. F&SF masquerade.
* There were departments in which not having a second caused their
performance to suffer. ConSuite and Programming were both impacted by
not having a second. Programming had an actual disaster, Hillary
Ayer’s 80-something Mom was hospitalized and nearly died earlier this
spring. It took programming offline for almost a month (work was being
done, but communication was very limited).

In addition to that, the committee had a rule to prevent people from
over-extending themselves: Only one job at a time. A committee member
could have one at-con job and one pre-con job (helping here and there
in someone else’s department was OK if you weren’t the lynchpin to
their success).

Jennifer and Henry came out of CC21 very crispy because they had too
many hats on at the same time. We’ve watched and worked on Westercons
where way too many people appeared in the staff list way too many
times, to their and the convention’s detriment.

Carole should not have accepted your request, and she knew that. She
already had one pre-con job (ethnic costume program, and she delivered
some really great presenters) and one at-con job (fabric and museum
tours, which were sloppy at best). She’s incapable, though, of saying
“no” when asked to help. She also wormed her way into a bunch of areas
where her help wasn’t requested, needed, and in some cases was
actually a problem (Hospitality and Communications are the big ones).
This impacted her performance on the job that she was first recruited
for and should have been her top priority.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1783 From: tinathebookworm Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – the Historical Masquerade

I’m glad to see that someone else found the F&S/F MC as tedious (and
un-funny) as I did; I would much prefer vampire jokes, or even sheep
jokes, to his pitiful blog. I can only assume that he’s a local who
is accustomed to venues such as comic cons, where callow “humor” may
be more “appreciated” by the attendees. My immediate reaction
was “where did they dig up this turkey?”

Did the MD choose the MC, or did the committee? If the MD did, I do
not think at all highly of her judgment. (The same, of course, is
also true if the MC was selected by the committee — sorry, Andy &
Kevin.)

Tina

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Ricky & Karen Dick” <castleb@…>
wrote:

>
> Yes, where on earth did the MC come from that did the F&S/F?!!
>
> It was obvious he didn’t go over anyone’s names with them backstage

because he mispronounced so many of them.

>
> He did “joke” introductions of the judges (which we all played

along with, thinking he would do the real ones later, and he NEVER
did).

>
> He read from his blog to kill time (and his blog was NOT that

interesting).

>
> When “made,” “worn,” and “constructed by” information was

identical, he insisted on reading the same long string of names
three times instead of saying “made, worn, and constructed by” and
reading the names once.

>
> I felt like I had gone back 30 years to the MCing of yore…and NOT

in a good way.

>
> –Karen
>
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: Gravely MacCabre
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 11:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [runacc] CC26 – the Historical Masquerade
>
>
>
>
> The show itself was well-paced, and the MC did an excellent job of
> pronouncing difficult names.
>
> Agreed, what a sly way of saying Jay was a good ballanced mc and

obviously a breath of fresh air after the HORRIBLE awful crappiest
job of mcing I’ve seen at a CC from the night before.

>
> I don’t want the hist. topic to get highjacked here, and go back

to sf, so I just wanted your comment as a segue.

>
> Ricky
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ——————————————————————–

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>
>
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Group: runacc Message: 1784 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – HIstorical judges intros

The thing I noticed was the first judge’s intros lasted almost as long as a
presentation. I timed it. I guess this happens when they’re allowed to
write their own intro.

Bruce

> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Ricky & Karen Dick
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 11:15 AM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [runacc] CC26 – F&S/F Masquerade
>
> And speaking of the judges’ introductions…
>
>
> And the Historical judges each got a nice introduction about their

costuming

> credentials and interests.
>
> I feel like a second-class citizen right now.
>
> –Karen

 

Group: runacc Message: 1785 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – The SF & F MC

To be fair – I thought I covered this – my understanding was that he did not
have the time to get the names right. Given that tech rehearsals ran late,
and (can this be confirmed?) the scripts were late being printed.

Watching the video the other day for the first time, he wasn’t the absolute
worst, but the joking did get distracting at times. He wasn’t doing himself
any service by constantly calling attention to the fact he was inexperienced
(at least for CC). I thought it interesting how his version of his MC turn
on his blog varies vastly from yours.

Again, I guess this can be chalked up to having someone who is not familiar
to the format.

> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Ricky & Karen Dick
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 10:45 AM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [runacc] CC26 – the Historical Masquerade
>
> Yes, where on earth did the MC come from that did the F&S/F?!!
>
> It was obvious he didn’t go over anyone’s names with them backstage

because he

> mispronounced so many of them.
>
> He did “joke” introductions of the judges (which we all played along with,

thinking he

> would do the real ones later, and he NEVER did).
>
> He read from his blog to kill time (and his blog was NOT that

interesting).

>
> When “made,” “worn,” and “constructed by” information was identical, he

insisted

> on reading the same long string of names three times instead of saying

“made,

> worn, and constructed by” and reading the names once.
>
> I felt like I had gone back 30 years to the MCing of yore…and NOT in a

good way.

>
> –Karen
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1786 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: Disaster Avoidance (was Re: CC26

This is a common problem – staff double-ups. At CC16, we wound up pretty
toasty from everyone doing more than one job. Fortunately, we’ve managed to
stay friends through all that. I’ve always been proud of the people in our
organization, because we started out as a group of friends, and we’re pretty
much a very cohesive group that works well together, so long as each person
is allowed a fair amount of leeway.

I think we did a much better job of having enough staff at CC25.

Bruce

> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Andrew T Trembley
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 6:28 PM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [runacc] Disaster Avoidance (was Re: CC26 – Hospitality
>
> On Jun 11, 2008, at 5:21 PM, Byron Connell wrote:
> > I told Bruce that the lack of food in the green room was my fault.
> > It was not Carole Parker’s fault.
> >
> > The concom insisted that I have a second. This is one of the major
> > problems of having a department head on the wrong coast from the
> > rest of the concom. There was no one on the committee except Carole
> > that I trusted to fill that function. After I was told that someone
> > on the concom told her that she was not truly my second, just a
> > stand-in at committee meetings, I had to repair my authority and
> > reassured her that I had indeed designated her as second.
>
> This hits on the issue of disaster-planning that Ricky brought up.
> Every department head having a second was a major disaster-planning
> effort. This was partially to ensure that in a real disaster, there
> would be someone who had all the info and could take over, and
> partially to spread out the work at-con.
>
> * There were departments in which things ran well enough that having
> or not having a second did not make a difference to their success.
> * There were departments in which having a second was an important
> part of their success. Having a hotel second was a big part of hotel’s
> success, not because the primary was a problem but because things
> happened with the hotel itself that increased their work-load. Having
> a good tech second helped us recover from some hits tech took in the
> week before the convention.
> * There were departments in which having a second helped, but
> ultimately wasn’t enough. F&SF masquerade.
> * There were departments in which not having a second caused their
> performance to suffer. ConSuite and Programming were both impacted by
> not having a second. Programming had an actual disaster, Hillary
> Ayer’s 80-something Mom was hospitalized and nearly died earlier this
> spring. It took programming offline for almost a month (work was being
> done, but communication was very limited).
>
> In addition to that, the committee had a rule to prevent people from
> over-extending themselves: Only one job at a time. A committee member
> could have one at-con job and one pre-con job (helping here and there
> in someone else’s department was OK if you weren’t the lynchpin to
> their success).
>
> Jennifer and Henry came out of CC21 very crispy because they had too
> many hats on at the same time. We’ve watched and worked on Westercons
> where way too many people appeared in the staff list way too many
> times, to their and the convention’s detriment.
>
> Carole should not have accepted your request, and she knew that. She
> already had one pre-con job (ethnic costume program, and she delivered
> some really great presenters) and one at-con job (fabric and museum
> tours, which were sloppy at best). She’s incapable, though, of saying
> “no” when asked to help. She also wormed her way into a bunch of areas
> where her help wasn’t requested, needed, and in some cases was
> actually a problem (Hospitality and Communications are the big ones).
> This impacted her performance on the job that she was first recruited
> for and should have been her top priority.
>
> andy
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo!

Groups

> Links
>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1787 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – The SF & F MC

monday night at the dead dog party Chris the mc came up to me and asked me to be sure to tell east coast conventions he’d be glad to come out and work their masquerades for them as mc.

I wish there was a camera, because I actually had nothing to say.

okay, maybe a few things, but there were innocent bystanders around 😉

Ricky

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—– Original Message —-
From: Bruce & Nora Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 7:34:04 PM
Subject: RE: [runacc] CC26 – The SF & F MC

To be fair – I thought I covered this – my understanding was that he did not
have the time to get the names right. Given that tech rehearsals ran late,
and (can this be confirmed?) the scripts were late being printed.

Watching the video the other day for the first time, he wasn’t the absolute
worst, but the joking did get distracting at times. He wasn’t doing himself
any service by constantly calling attention to the fact he was inexperienced
(at least for CC). I thought it interesting how his version of his MC turn
on his blog varies vastly from yours.

Again, I guess this can be chalked up to having someone who is not familiar
to the format.

> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups. com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
> Ricky & Karen Dick
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 10:45 AM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups. com
> Subject: Re: [runacc] CC26 – the Historical Masquerade
>
> Yes, where on earth did the MC come from that did the F&S/F?!!
>
> It was obvious he didn’t go over anyone’s names with them backstage

because he

> mispronounced so many of them.
>
> He did “joke” introductions of the judges (which we all played along with,

thinking he

> would do the real ones later, and he NEVER did).
>
> He read from his blog to kill time (and his blog was NOT that

interesting) .

>
> When “made,” “worn,” and “constructed by” information was identical, he

insisted

> on reading the same long string of names three times instead of saying

“made,

> worn, and constructed by” and reading the names once.
>
> I felt like I had gone back 30 years to the MCing of yore…and NOT in a

good way.

>
> –Karen
>

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Group: runacc Message: 1788 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – The SF & F MC

On Jun 13, 2008, at 4:34 PM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> Watching the video the other day for the first time, he wasn’t the
> absolute
> worst, but the joking did get distracting at times. He wasn’t doing
> himself
> any service by constantly calling attention to the fact he was
> inexperienced
> (at least for CC). I thought it interesting how his version of his
> MC turn
> on his blog varies vastly from yours.

Chris plays the fool. It’s his schtick, and it generally works for
him. He’s a regular MC at local SF conventions. He’s MC’d and
announced at area film festivals like Cinequest (it may not be
Sundance, but it’s a 10-day festival that takes over every screen
downtown).

And, in Bay Area fandom, he’s almost completely apolitical. The goofy
shield lets him get away with ignoring all the old long-standing fan
feuds that are still simmering away.

He’s not always that goofy, though. He’s also an Emerson grad, a
respected museum curator, and the person that the Computer History
Museum almost always hands over to the media when news organizations
come calling for historical perspective on the latest technology
announcement or anniversary.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1789 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – the Historical Masquerade

This is the first I have heard of either incident in the green room!

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: Bruce & Nora Mai<mailto:casamai@sbcglobal.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 7:29 AM
Subject: [runacc] CC26 – the Historical Masquerade

The show itself was well-paced, and the MC did an excellent job of
pronouncing difficult names. Once again, though, there seemed to be very
few awards for the body of works presented. Because there are always fewer
entries in the Historical, it’s a little harder to judge percentages, plus
the criteria for awards are different. Nonetheless..

Stats, based on the CC26 website:

28 entries, excluding non-competition or Young Fan. Excluding the BIS and a
Director’s Special Award (mentioned earlier):

Workmanship
2 out of 4 Novices
3 out of 8 Journeymen
2 out of 12 Masters

Presentation
1 out of 4 Novices
1 out of 8 Journeymen
3 out of 12 Masters

Were the standards that much higher? I’ll leave you to draw your own
conclusions.

Some people did not like the format of the judging. To be fair, everyone
has their preferences of a being judged in their rooms vs. presenting to a
panel, but here’s a story from one of our people:

“It seemed like the judges took more time to clarify if my entry counted to
be entered than they spent actually talking to me about it. They had shown
much knowledge about my documentation, though, so perhaps I just had good
info in there to balance.
However, having a table crammed with 8 people to talk to in judging (later
determined only 5 were judges) was incredibly unnerving, and there was no
spokesperson or ‘friendly face’, just people shooting businesslike questions
in a few minutes. I was also told in uncertain terms that my judging was to
be fast, and I got half the time of the people before me because they were
running behind and the clerk was rushing them.”

Also:

“The historical judges were unnecessarily intimidating. Doesn’t hurt to be
friendly. And I know they didn’t read my documentation (which was amazingly
short) cause one asked me why I chose the fabric I did which was clearly
spelled out on the second page”

This would seem to be yet another indication of problems with the selection
of the judges, as has been discussed here and on the D list. Sounds like
these people took themselves way too seriously.

It should also be pointed out that, once again, a special mention award was
overlooked being announced by the MD.

The next bits are just my personal observations:

I don’t know if you all heard about two Green Room incidents: one may be
needed to review for policy, the other was a just disturbing.

Returning from stage, one entry’s participants broke open some flasks to
celebrate. Maybe it’s me, but I found this inappropriate to have alcohol in
the Green Room. The people who were involved should have known better. I
can’t imagine it setting any precedents, but con committees don’t want to be
caught unawares.

I call the other incident “Who brought the loaded gun into the Green Room”?
A participant changed their child’s diaper in the Green Room on a chair used
by the rest of the costumers present. First of all – ew. It was bad enough
that no attempt was made to cover said seat, so this it wasn’t exactly
sanitary for use afterwards. What was worse was this was a male infant and
no precautions were taken in case there was an “accident”. This was just
irresponsible. Imagine what kind of catastrophe might have occurred had
something happened? Again, a one-time incident, but the Den folks should
get some blame for not catching this and offering an alternative.

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Group: runacc Message: 1790 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – the Historical Masquerade

Chris Garcia was officially our Toastmaster… a position which
translated to “MC Wrangler / Assistant / Emergency Holographic MC” when
we invited him. (Yes, I know that’s not strictly what most conventions
mean by toastmaster, but it was the closest term I could come up with
for the orgchart.)

In other words, he was there to help the MCs the directors chose (if
those MCs needed help) *or* was available as an MC if the MD wanted him.

Jennifer opted to have him be F&SF MC.

He’s fairly well known out here on the west coast (especially in the Bay
Area and in fanzine circles) and is not afraid to make an idiot of
himself if necessary. He and Tadao are good friends.

It was, however, his first time mc’ing a masquerade, and my screw-up
with the scripts meant he was desperately fishing for enough material
with which to stretch.

Kevin

tinathebookworm wrote:

>
> I’m glad to see that someone else found the F&S/F MC as tedious (and
> un-funny) as I did; I would much prefer vampire jokes, or even sheep
> jokes, to his pitiful blog. I can only assume that he’s a local who
> is accustomed to venues such as comic cons, where callow “humor” may
> be more “appreciated” by the attendees. My immediate reaction
> was “where did they dig up this turkey?”
>
> Did the MD choose the MC, or did the committee? If the MD did, I do
> not think at all highly of her judgment. (The same, of course, is
> also true if the MC was selected by the committee — sorry, Andy &
> Kevin.)
>
> Tina
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1791 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – The SF & F MC

Andy,
so are you saying he didn’t suck?
or are you saying that with all those credentials, you’re suprised he sucked.

and nope, not gonna pile on Kevin on this one with scripts being late.

Knowing what an MC will do with his/her ” free time” on stage, is one of the most important things to consider.

Jay Hartlove may not be the most exciting MC ( anybody else notice the older he gets, the more he sounds like Billy Crystal? not good or bad, just something I noticed) but he knows what is expected of him, and he shows respect for the costumers as well as trying to entertain the audience.

I really think Chris Garcia messed up a whole bunch of presentations. Not as many as tech did, but enough.

And no I can’t site examples, I haven’t watched it again, these are my original feelings from the front row, as I wished I could jump up there, drag him off and let Marty stand up and take over as if it was all planned.
you know, Marty gets up, pulls of his T-shirt and is already in full vampire underneath LOL

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—– Original Message —-
From: Andrew T Trembley <attrembl@bovil.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 7:57:40 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] CC26 – The SF & F MC

On Jun 13, 2008, at 4:34 PM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
> Watching the video the other day for the first time, he wasn’t the
> absolute
> worst, but the joking did get distracting at times. He wasn’t doing
> himself
> any service by constantly calling attention to the fact he was
> inexperienced
> (at least for CC). I thought it interesting how his version of his
> MC turn
> on his blog varies vastly from yours.

Chris plays the fool. It’s his schtick, and it generally works for
him. He’s a regular MC at local SF conventions. He’s MC’d and
announced at area film festivals like Cinequest (it may not be
Sundance, but it’s a 10-day festival that takes over every screen
downtown).

And, in Bay Area fandom, he’s almost completely apolitical. The goofy
shield lets him get away with ignoring all the old long-standing fan
feuds that are still simmering away.

He’s not always that goofy, though. He’s also an Emerson grad, a
respected museum curator, and the person that the Computer History
Museum almost always hands over to the media when news organizations
come calling for historical perspective on the latest technology
announcement or anniversary.

andy

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 1792 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: Disaster Avoidance (was Re: CC26 – Hospitality

If Carole had not accepted my request, I would have had to resign as green room manager.

Considering the low quality job I did, I wish I had done so.

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: Andrew T Trembley<mailto:attrembl@bovil.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 7:27 PM
Subject: [runacc] Disaster Avoidance (was Re: CC26 – Hospitality

On Jun 11, 2008, at 5:21 PM, Byron Connell wrote:
> I told Bruce that the lack of food in the green room was my fault.
> It was not Carole Parker’s fault.
>
> The concom insisted that I have a second. This is one of the major
> problems of having a department head on the wrong coast from the
> rest of the concom. There was no one on the committee except Carole
> that I trusted to fill that function. After I was told that someone
> on the concom told her that she was not truly my second, just a
> stand-in at committee meetings, I had to repair my authority and
> reassured her that I had indeed designated her as second.

This hits on the issue of disaster-planning that Ricky brought up.
Every department head having a second was a major disaster-planning
effort. This was partially to ensure that in a real disaster, there
would be someone who had all the info and could take over, and
partially to spread out the work at-con.

* There were departments in which things ran well enough that having
or not having a second did not make a difference to their success.
* There were departments in which having a second was an important
part of their success. Having a hotel second was a big part of hotel’s
success, not because the primary was a problem but because things
happened with the hotel itself that increased their work-load. Having
a good tech second helped us recover from some hits tech took in the
week before the convention.
* There were departments in which having a second helped, but
ultimately wasn’t enough. F&SF masquerade.
* There were departments in which not having a second caused their
performance to suffer. ConSuite and Programming were both impacted by
not having a second. Programming had an actual disaster, Hillary
Ayer’s 80-something Mom was hospitalized and nearly died earlier this
spring. It took programming offline for almost a month (work was being
done, but communication was very limited).

In addition to that, the committee had a rule to prevent people from
over-extending themselves: Only one job at a time. A committee member
could have one at-con job and one pre-con job (helping here and there
in someone else’s department was OK if you weren’t the lynchpin to
their success).

Jennifer and Henry came out of CC21 very crispy because they had too
many hats on at the same time. We’ve watched and worked on Westercons
where way too many people appeared in the staff list way too many
times, to their and the convention’s detriment.

Carole should not have accepted your request, and she knew that. She
already had one pre-con job (ethnic costume program, and she delivered
some really great presenters) and one at-con job (fabric and museum
tours, which were sloppy at best). She’s incapable, though, of saying
“no” when asked to help. She also wormed her way into a bunch of areas
where her help wasn’t requested, needed, and in some cases was
actually a problem (Hospitality and Communications are the big ones).
This impacted her performance on the job that she was first recruited
for and should have been her top priority.

andy

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 1793 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: Notes on recruiting judges and problems therein
Andy wrote:

If Marty is going to be at Denvention, he ought to talk with the CC27
show directors about what he can do to help recruit judges for them when
he’s there. Better yet, if your directors are going to be at Worldcon,
they can recruit themselves. I’ve talked with Jill and Dr. Karen about
their masquerade, and I think they’re off to a great start.

yeah, while not a bad idea of course, we’re all good there
Thanks

Ricky

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Group: runacc Message: 1794 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/14/2008
Subject: A word about ICG Awards
There is no actual connection between CC and the ICG other than the time set
aside for the annual meeting, as set down in the convention constitution.
That having been said, in both the SF & F and Historical masquerades, the
Lifetime Achievement and the Presidential awards were mixed in with the
regular Guild chapter awards. Since the people being recognized gave quite
a bit of their time to the community, the ICG awards should have been placed
better – probably just before the actual announcements of the masq awards,
for the maximum audience, in my opinion.

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Group: runacc Message: 1795 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/14/2008
Subject: Re: A word about ICG Awards

Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> Since the people being recognized gave quite
> a bit of their time to the community, the ICG awards should have been placed
> better – probably just before the actual announcements of the masq awards,
> for the maximum audience, in my opinion.

That’s something that the person giving the awards can ask for. I expect
the request would be honored.

I’m going to throw out a crazy idea, though.

If you want the maximum audience, request to give the award between the
last presentation and the half-time entertainment, as the judges are
leaving. This would only work, of course, if the recipient wasn’t also
judge.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1796 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/14/2008
Subject: Re: A word about ICG Awards

I didn’t ask for a specific time. I asked for general permission to present
the awards well in advance & spoke with each MD as early as possible when we
arrived to remind them of my request. I did tell them what I wanted to
present & why, but made a bad assumption – that they were familiar with the
CC culture & would be familiar with the “usual” placement of these awards.

That was my mistake but I think it points out the need for MDs to be
familiarized with the community by the committee if they are from outside.
Perhaps future committees & con chairs need to have a list of expected items
(awards, food, supplies, time schedules, judges, whatever) & go over them
with their MDs to be sure everything is covered.

I know Kevin stepped in when I made a similar request to the programming
person about the ICG meeting. I asked for a specific amount of time & room &
indicated when I would prefer it be held (Friday morning), she said she’d
see what she could do. Not a negative response but not a definite “yes”
either. Kevin responded almost immediately with his recommendations to her
about room size & required time.

Nora

> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Andrew Trembley
> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 12:21 AM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [runacc] A word about ICG Awards
>
> Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
> > Since the people being recognized gave quite
> > a bit of their time to the community, the ICG awards should have been

placed

> > better – probably just before the actual announcements of the masq

awards,

> > for the maximum audience, in my opinion.
>
> That’s something that the person giving the awards can ask for. I expect
> the request would be honored.
>
> I’m going to throw out a crazy idea, though.
>
> If you want the maximum audience, request to give the award between the
> last presentation and the half-time entertainment, as the judges are
> leaving. This would only work, of course, if the recipient wasn’t also
> judge.
>
> andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1797 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/14/2008
Subject: Raise your hands if you’re *NOT* on ICG-D!
For the few of you for whom this question applies, there is an intense
discussion about masquerade judging going on there. I don’t want to
force a copy or cc from that list to this if the overlap is
substantial (which I think it is), but I don’t want folks on this list
to miss that discussion either.

If you’re not subscribed to ICG-D, you can still read the messages by
going through Yahoo.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ICG-D/messages

(You don’t have to subscribe to read.)

Cheers,

Betsy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1798 From: tinathebookworm Date: 6/14/2008
Subject: Re: Raise your hands if you’re *NOT* on ICG-D!

I’m not, but Byron is, so I’ll ask him to direct any relevant comments
to me.

Tina

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Betsy Delaney” <aramintamd@…> wrote:
>
> For the few of you for whom this question applies, there is an intense
> discussion about masquerade judging going on there. I don’t want to
> force a copy or cc from that list to this if the overlap is
> substantial (which I think it is), but I don’t want folks on this list
> to miss that discussion either.
>
> If you’re not subscribed to ICG-D, you can still read the messages by
> going through Yahoo.
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ICG-D/messages
>
> (You don’t have to subscribe to read.)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Betsy
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1799 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 6/15/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – F/SF MC

At 07:05 PM 6/13/2008, you wrote:

I will give him this. We were upset when he did not read our
dedication. (we found out much later that it wasn’t on his sheet.).
One of our ninjas told him about it. When we came up for our
workmanship award, he made a prominent apology for the gaffe. We
couldn’t ask for more.

Pierre

>Chris Garcia was officially our Toastmaster… a position which
>translated to “MC Wrangler / Assistant / Emergency Holographic MC” when
>we invited him. (Yes, I know that’s not strictly what most conventions
>mean by toastmaster, but it was the closest term I could come up with
>for the orgchart.)
>
>In other words, he was there to help the MCs the directors chose (if
>those MCs needed help) *or* was available as an MC if the MD wanted him.
>
>Jennifer opted to have him be F&SF MC.
>
>He’s fairly well known out here on the west coast (especially in the Bay
>Area and in fanzine circles) and is not afraid to make an idiot of
>himself if necessary. He and Tadao are good friends.
>
>It was, however, his first time mc’ing a masquerade, and my screw-up
>with the scripts meant he was desperately fishing for enough material
>with which to stretch.
>
>Kevin
>
>tinathebookworm wrote:
> >
> > I’m glad to see that someone else found the F&S/F MC as tedious (and
> > un-funny) as I did; I would much prefer vampire jokes, or even sheep
> > jokes, to his pitiful blog. I can only assume that he’s a local who
> > is accustomed to venues such as comic cons, where callow “humor” may
> > be more “appreciated” by the attendees. My immediate reaction
> > was “where did they dig up this turkey?”
> >
> > Did the MD choose the MC, or did the committee? If the MD did, I do
> > not think at all highly of her judgment. (The same, of course, is
> > also true if the MC was selected by the committee — sorry, Andy &
> > Kevin.)
> >
> > Tina

“Those Who Fail To Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly —
Why They Are Simply Doomed.

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C.Y. 4971

Andromeda

 

Group: runacc Message: 1800 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: CC26 – Random observations, anecdotes and wrap up
More than once, we heard the words uttered, “At Baycon, we…”. We’ve run
into this at other CCs in the past, and the subject’s already been discussed
here, to some extent. While there are certain similarities among all
conventions, Costume-Con is different from a general SF. There are certain
“quirks” with the people, the events, and so on. Convention Chairs need to
make sure their non-costumer volunteers understand the differences. We hope
that the conversations on this list recently will ultimately lead to better
understanding.

It is unfortunate that it seems – at least to some of us who have attended
CC for years – that there appeared to be a certain insular attitude with the
folks out on the West Coast. Continuing a long-standing “tradition”, there
were a lot of people on that region who wanted those of us from the Midwest
and East Coast to come to the party (CC26) – which we did. Canada, too.
Yet, those same people freely admitted they had no interest in crossing the
Rocky Mountains to attend future CCs. Part of this, of course, is an
economic consideration but this seemed a little hypocritical.

Many of us observed a definite cultural difference between this and past
CCs. To give them the benefit of the doubt, maybe the historical costumers
were just shy like many of us, but it’s very easy to interpret that as
snobbishness. Some of them were friendly enough if they were approached
first, but there wasn’t a single report of reciprocal, self-initiated acts
of admiration.

We’re aware that the Committee worked very hard before the convention to
bring in people from the various communities, but there was no feeling of
welcoming to newbies once they were there. Maybe that’s just harder to do
when it’s a larger convention.

To be fair, I can’t necessarily say that this member’s comments were
representative of all newbies, but it bears heeding: “The attitudes of the
convention population were, for the most part, snobbish at best and
downright rude at worst. Most of the attendees were dressed in historical
costumes, which I expected, but I did not expect the attitude that I was
shown because I was dressed in anime cosplay for most of the weekend. It
felt as if I was a peasant at a party with royalty or perhaps that I was not
a ‘true costumer’ because I am primarily a cosplayer. I would just like to
add that it’s not an easy thing to recreate a costume from an anime source
and to do so accurately. Plus, those of us who do cosplay very often have to
draft our own patterns since there are very few actual patterns for
particular cosplays out there and we have to come up with solutions to
various situations that come up within a costume as well. None of this is
easy and there are some very elaborate and complex costumes within the
anime/gaming genre. Historical costumers have the advantage of actual
patterns to work from or having a book of patterns to draft from and while I
know most historic costumes are difficult to make I also know that there are
some anime related costumes that are just as complex and time consuming to
make.”

“I did have some ugly contact with some of the Costume Coll(e)ge people but
well… I was prewarned about them, thank you..”

“All the locals I met were generally snotty and lame.”

This indicates how different perceptions can be, but also that our community
and CC attendees still have work to do on making sure we make a good
impression. At CC25, we had several staff meetings that included
discussions on ways to get the new people to mix with the veterans. We were
very successful in this effort at CC16.

The accounts above didn’t just happen to the new folks, though, I’m afraid.
Pierre, Nora and I were standing near the Official Photography table in the
exhibit hallway, trying to figure out how we were supposed to fill out the
form to order photos for our personal collections and the Archives. A woman
from a group of nearby tables where some sort of panel/seminar/etc. was
going on came over and demanded that we keep our voices down. Now, maybe we
were a bit loud, but we were a bit taken aback by this chastisement to keep
our voices down in a public hallway where the noise level wasn’t exactly
quiet to begin with.

Now, there’s that whole adage about what you get out of something depends on
what you put into it: There’s a certain responsibility of the convention
attendee to make their own fun – the con committee just provides the
potential. We’ve read on journals (not the D list) that many new people had
a good time. However, we noted that these people also lived in the region
and knew many of the committee people or the ones hosting the room parties.
Personally, I had a lot of fun taking photos of all the great hall costumes
because I knew I was going to be adding content to the Gallery.

For those from outside the region who have only attended one or two prior
conventions, the experience was more disappointing. They had heard about
this convention for over a year – even before CC25, I might add – and had
been willing to give the con the benefit of the doubt that it would live up
to hype, despite their doubts.

“It seems odd that CC26 would have been touted as the greatest ever. My
impression was that the only aspect of CC in which they were attempting to
raise the bar was the use of computers (on-line masq reg, etc.) and the
addition of CCTV. In all other aspects, they seem to have been shooting for
an average con experience.”

“.It was good, though, to see everyone I missed all year and make a few new
friends. Thank goodness there were enough people willing to talk to me
about random stuff that kept it entertaining and informative, and keeps it
from being my worst con ever (where I knew no one, not from bad running).”

“I’m still not convinced it was worth the expense and travel.”

“The last time I spent this amount of money on a convention that was a total
bust was Otakon 2005. For those of you who don’t know Otakon is a one of the
five largest anime conventions in existence and is regularly touted as the
best anime convention in the states. I found it to be lackluster and boring
so if I am comparing CC26 to it then it’s pretty bad.”

“I agree with most of what has been said about CC26. It was not worth the
travel and expense – It’s kind of like seeing movies and/or tv shows hyped
too much, usually means it’s not going to be good.”

To be fair, I think the bad masquerade experience colored some of the above
perceptions, but future committees still need to be aware that expectations
will be higher. And like it or not, there’s the continual issue with the
ongoing perception that the ICG is more closely tied to Costume-Con than it
actually is. The less informed (or at least, those paying less attention)
will make at least some association of the ICG with Costume-Con, and there
is a danger that any bad experiences at CC will reflect on the ICG as well.
As many image problems as the organization has already, we don’t need this
on top of it. We had to remind some of our newer people that there was
little to no connection.

End of review.

I’ll be posting a less detailed version to the D list shortly.

Bruce

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Group: runacc Message: 1701 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-con 26 Convention Ch Date: 6/3/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Membership “packets”
Group: runacc Message: 1702 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/4/2008
Subject: CC26 – Exhibits
Group: runacc Message: 1703 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/5/2008
Subject: CC26 – Panel Programming
Group: runacc Message: 1704 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-con 26 Convention Ch Date: 6/5/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Panel Programming
Group: runacc Message: 1705 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/5/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Panel Programming
Group: runacc Message: 1706 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Panel Programming
Group: runacc Message: 1707 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Panel Programming
Group: runacc Message: 1708 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Panel Programming – Ricky and Kevin
Group: runacc Message: 1709 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: C26 – The Friday Night Social
Group: runacc Message: 1710 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: Panel Programming
Group: runacc Message: 1711 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Panel Programming
Group: runacc Message: 1712 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: Panel Programming
Group: runacc Message: 1713 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: Panel Programming
Group: runacc Message: 1714 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Panel Programming – Andy
Group: runacc Message: 1715 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Panel Programming – Betsy
Group: runacc Message: 1716 From: Tina Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Panel Programming (cut-off)
Group: runacc Message: 1717 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: Panel Programming
Group: runacc Message: 1718 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: Panel Programming
Group: runacc Message: 1719 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Panel Programming – Betsy
Group: runacc Message: 1720 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Panel Programming – Betsy
Group: runacc Message: 1721 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: CC survey?
Group: runacc Message: 1722 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Panel Programming – survey – Kevin
Group: runacc Message: 1723 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-con 26 Convention Ch Date: 6/7/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Panel Programming – survey – Kevin
Group: runacc Message: 1724 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: CC26 – The SF & F Masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 1725 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/10/2008
Subject: CC26 – Hospitality
Group: runacc Message: 1726 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/10/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Hospitality
Group: runacc Message: 1727 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/10/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Hospitality
Group: runacc Message: 1728 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/10/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Hospitality
Group: runacc Message: 1729 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/10/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Hospitality
Group: runacc Message: 1730 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/10/2008
Subject: CC26 – Costume-Con TV
Group: runacc Message: 1731 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/10/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Costume-Con TV
Group: runacc Message: 1732 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/10/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Hospitality
Group: runacc Message: 1733 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/10/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Hospitality
Group: runacc Message: 1734 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/10/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Hospitality
Group: runacc Message: 1735 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/10/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Hospitality
Group: runacc Message: 1736 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Hospitality
Group: runacc Message: 1737 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Hospitality
Group: runacc Message: 1738 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Hospitality
Group: runacc Message: 1739 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Hospitality
Group: runacc Message: 1740 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Hospitality
Group: runacc Message: 1741 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Costume-Con TV
Group: runacc Message: 1742 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Hospitality
Group: runacc Message: 1743 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Hospitality
Group: runacc Message: 1744 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Hospitality
Group: runacc Message: 1745 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: Not Bruce (was RE: [runacc] CC26 – Hospitality)
Group: runacc Message: 1746 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: Video in the room (was RE: [runacc] CC26 – Hospitality)
Group: runacc Message: 1747 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: Re: Video in the room (was RE: [runacc] CC26 – Hospitality)
Group: runacc Message: 1748 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: Re: Not Bruce (was RE: [runacc] CC26 – Hospitality)
Group: runacc Message: 1749 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: Re: Not Bruce (was RE: [runacc] CC26 – Hospitality)
Group: runacc Message: 1750 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: Re: Not Bruce (was RE: [runacc] CC26 – Hospitality)

 


 

Group: runacc Message: 1701 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-con 26 Convention Ch Date: 6/3/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Membership “packets”

Andy has already explained the tipping article.

As I had already dealt with one thread on cosplay.com about “Is Resident
Evil Cosplay allowed?” (with recreation airsoft weapons) we opted to
explain the weapons policy in some detail.
San Jose has much stricter laws regarding simulacrum firearms than some
municipalities. The article was a case of “better boring and safe than
bleeding and sorry.”

Kevin

Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

>
> The Program book: The book was adequate, but the most glaring item was the
> reprint of the PR article on tipping. A number of people found these
> suggestions unnecessary at least, and insulting at worst. And the weapons
> policy, while necessary to have, seemed excessively long, given it was a
> whole 2 pages worth.
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1702 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/4/2008
Subject: CC26 – Exhibits
Having a costume exhibit where the selection was based around a theme was a
notion that deserves further exploration. “In the Garden of Good and Evil”
had an interesting cross section of items, although it was somewhat
restricted by the size of the room.

Given how small the room for exhibits was, the director made good use of the
space available. The mixture of costumes appeared to be well balanced. One
thing that struck us as odd – not bad, just surprising – were some of the
costumes were for sale. As for the contest to vote for their favorite
costumes, the only problem was – and I hope I’ve got this right – there were
no numbers on the sheets that corresponded with the numbers on the
individual exhibits.

The Mad Scientist Fair props display was pretty cool. One note, one person
had inquired about having a prop in the show, but needed to use it in the SF
& F masquerade. The director(s) never got back to them about it.

Just as a point of interest, there was some disagreement over what was the
proper procedure when the Fair room closed part of the time on Sunday, due
to a family emergency. Some thought it perfectly understandable that the
people involved had left immediately, without notice to anyone – supposedly.
I was of the opinion that someone should have at least given a heads up as
they were out the door – surely there was time while waiting for transport
to arrive (unless they drove themselves). Had it been Nora who was sick in
the same circumstance, I noted that she would have been the one who would
have told ME to tell someone before we left the building, because she’s just
that way.

The upshot being, I’m surprised that either it took some time before the
people were discovered missing, or that there were not some volunteers put
into that room to keep it open.

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Group: runacc Message: 1703 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/5/2008
Subject: CC26 – Panel Programming
There was a lot of discussion on our own internal list about this topic, and
many were in a similar vein: they found it disappointing, to say the least.
Words like “boring”, “light”, and “nothing to write home about” were oft
repeated.

“The programming seemed to be sparse and fairly uninteresting.” , was a
typical comment.

That’s not to say the entire track was uniformly awful. There were some
standouts:

The “Things I wish I had known” panel was very interesting, as all horror
story panels are, which is what this one evolved into. They kept couching
the horror stories as things they wish they had known, so the topic wasn’t
abandoned. The “Costumers Tool Box” panel was also very informative. I
learned some things about pop rivets that I’ll have to make use of in future
costumes. The “EL wire” panel was also very informative. VERY GOOD panel.
Another good panel was the “Props on a Plane” panel.

“The Costumers Hardware Store” roundtable gets high marks for having a
handout.

Some were too general to be of much use. There are no reports that the
“Meet the Costumer” panels were successful or not; Were the audiences mostly
friends supporting their friends, or did others go to see them?
“Costume-Cons of the Future” was probably one of the worst attended, but
that’s just about always the case at most cons – it’s just not interesting
to people on a large scale.

The one panel we kept hearing about over and over again was the “Mechanical
Engineering” panel. The subject matter, covering popular things like wings
and other devices, was extremely well attended, but disappointed just about
everyone. The main problem was that, while the panelists obviously knew
their stuff, they got bogged down in the minutiae of mechanism names, rather
than actually tips on construction. They spent 15 minutes amiably arguing
over which wing mechanism would have worked more effectively for one
particular presentation. One audience member was overheard muttering under
their breath “Move on!”. And as it turned out, the panel wound up not
getting to other subjects. Word is that some projector equipment did not
function properly, which may’ve thrown them off their game. This might be a
good time to point out that relying on technology isn’t always a good idea –
handouts trump a gee-whiz powerpoint presentation.

Three things about panel programming led to a perception that there was not
enough to do. The first was the longer times for panels. Naturally,
scheduling longer times for panels is going to result in fewer panels
overall. The consensus was, it was better to have too much to want to see
(with some possible repeats of popular panels), rather than not enough.

Second, was the lunch break. Most, but not all, of our people seemed to
think a specified lunch hour was not that important to them.

Third was the long “interims” between the panels to allow passthrough
times.

Looking at the pocket program, the way it was printed emphasized the overall
appearance of fewer panels than normal.

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Group: runacc Message: 1704 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-con 26 Convention Ch Date: 6/5/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Panel Programming

The longer schedule slots and lunch break were a conscious decision on
my part based on our experiences at CC25 and Costume College, where
panels repeatedly ran over and into each other. At 25, in fact, all of
Andy’s panels but one started late because the preceding panel ran over,
as did my cross-dressing panel which needed time for setup and also had
to wait for the previous panel to clear out, which ran overtime. Perhaps
I erred too far in the other direction.

I can say I’ve heard about equal number of comments that folks wanted
even longer, more detailed items vs. more, shorter items. That would
suggest that we weren’t too far off with the length in concept, anyway.

Kevin

Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

>
>
> Three things about panel programming led to a perception that there
> was not
> enough to do. The first was the longer times for panels. Naturally,
> scheduling longer times for panels is going to result in fewer panels
> overall. The consensus was, it was better to have too much to want to see
> (with some possible repeats of popular panels), rather than not enough.
>
> Second, was the lunch break. Most, but not all, of our people seemed to
> think a specified lunch hour was not that important to them.
>
> Third was the long “interims” between the panels to allow passthrough
> times.
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1705 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/5/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Panel Programming

We’re going to try to see how to juggle different rooms doing different length type stuff.

some things just don’t get the attendance nor do they need a full hour, like the future CC’s panel Bruce mentioned.

but sitting in the fan table row all weekend across from a line of panel rooms, We were all quite surprised at how often there was nothing in them.( I realize they weren’t the only rooms.)
The retrospectives were a good draw from what I could tell, as they were across from us as well.
the 5 retrospectives done in Ogden were to at least 70% room capacity.

we will be doing 2 I believe at CC-27 stay tuned for who.

Gravely MacCabre
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—– Original Message —-
From: “Kevin Roche, Costume-con 26 Convention Chair” <chair@cc26.org>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 5, 2008 11:36:02 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] CC26 – Panel Programming

The longer schedule slots and lunch break were a conscious decision on
my part based on our experiences at CC25 and Costume College, where
panels repeatedly ran over and into each other. At 25, in fact, all of
Andy’s panels but one started late because the preceding panel ran over,
as did my cross-dressing panel which needed time for setup and also had
to wait for the previous panel to clear out, which ran overtime. Perhaps
I erred too far in the other direction.

I can say I’ve heard about equal number of comments that folks wanted
even longer, more detailed items vs. more, shorter items. That would
suggest that we weren’t too far off with the length in concept, anyway.

Kevin

Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

>
>
> Three things about panel programming led to a perception that there
> was not
> enough to do. The first was the longer times for panels. Naturally,
> scheduling longer times for panels is going to result in fewer panels
> overall. The consensus was, it was better to have too much to want to see
> (with some possible repeats of popular panels), rather than not enough.
>
> Second, was the lunch break. Most, but not all, of our people seemed to
> think a specified lunch hour was not that important to them.
>
> Third was the long “interims” between the panels to allow passthrough
> times.
>

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Group: runacc Message: 1706 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Panel Programming

Kevin Roche, Costume-con 26 Convention Chair wrote:

> At 25, in fact, all of
> Andy’s panels but one started late because the preceding panel ran over,
> as did my cross-dressing panel which needed time for setup and also had
> to wait for the previous panel to clear out, which ran overtime.

There was a distinct lack of respect for the schedule or the other
presenters on the part of some program participants at CC25. I had two
panels at CC25 that started on time. One was a first-thing Saturday
morning with nothing preceding it. The other was the Archives panel,
which we moved out into the concourse when it was clear the panel that
was in our room wasn’t going to clear out. My other panels that started
late we still wrapped up so the next panel could start on time, so we
ended up with maybe 40 minutes.

We first encountered the 90-minute slot, 75-minute panel schedule at
ConJose in 2002. I think this schedule was used for CC23, but I would
have to dig up a program book (or ask Dana MacDermott), and I don’t
remember complaints then.

Many Bay Area conventions have adopted this schedule. Why? Presenters
generally report they’re happier having the extra 25 minutes so they’re
not rushed. They finish, with questions, in 75-80 minutes, still
allowing time for the next panel to move in.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1707 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Panel Programming

These are some random thoughts on the subject of programs, not just
from this year. My opinions. You mileage may vary. Yadda yadda
yadda…

> There was a distinct lack of respect for the schedule or the other
> presenters on the part of some program participants at CC25.

I’ve heard this sort of comment before, and repeatedly.

I have a vague recollection that the last time the subject came up, it
was strongly suggested that the program people walk around to the
different rooms and give ten-minute and five-minute warnings to the
panelists, so they knew that time was running out. Be honest: Some of
us simply can’t tell time and don’t pay any attention to clocks, which
makes it doubly important to have someone on con staff who will.

I have a vague recollection (from some years ago) that such a “timer”
was working at one of the cons we attended. I “think” it was the year
Bruce Mai and I were part of a “horror story” panel (he was discussing
The Mask, so it was maybe a year or so after). I don’t recall
complaints about panelists running overtime at that point.

I’m curious – were there room monitors watching the panel rooms at the
last few CCs? I wasn’t on enough panels in the last couple of years to
tell and my memory’s a little…fuzzy…on the past few cons. It’s
been my experience that the only monitoring we’ve gotten recently has
been from the incoming panelist(s) who, at times, had to make it
fairly clear and obvious on arrival that the previous panel’s time was
almost up.

It also helps a LOT to have a moderator for every panel having more
than one participant. You can avoid having one person hog all the time
and keep the discussion on topic (assuming the drift isn’t a good
thing). The moderator should also serve as a timekeeper.

I don’t know if timekeepers were employed at either CC25 or CC26. I’d
strongly recommend them for CC27 and beyond.

It’s also hard to tell whether you’ve given someone too much time or
too little. Unless the presenter has an absolute grasp on the subject
(many don’t), and really understands how long it will take to convey
the information (takes a certain amount of skill and experience), you
can wind up either feeling rushed out or feeling like the panel’s gone
on too long. That’s the risk we take when we open programs up to
everyone and anyone who wants to talk.

I know myself that I do best when I can let the audience ask the
questions rather than presenting the material. I don’t do very well at
“teaching” so my favorite panels to run are the “show and tell” types.
(Which, by the way, I’d be happy to moderate for the foreseeable
future, since they always seem to be popular panels.)

And, for the record, the two panel types I thought were missing were
the Masquerade wrap-ups and the Costume-Con reviews at the end.

The folks on this list are very good at pointing out what we think
went right and wrong with these events, but I think you miss out on
valuable feedback if you don’t give the con attendees a chance to give
feedback right then. I suspect there might be some surprises
concerning what works and what doesn’t. We’ve got a lot of folks
coming in now who don’t have a long background with Costume-Cons, and
choosing not to ask them what they thought while at the con might send
them off to their separate lists to post the feedback. I’d think it
would be a lot better to hear from them at the con – that way you can
answer the questions they might have had for why this or that was
done. And it ought to be mandatory for the future CC folks who are at
the con to attend these panels so they can hear what’s being said
firsthand.

What happened to these sorts of panels?

-b

 

Group: runacc Message: 1708 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Panel Programming – Ricky and Kevin

Just as a personal note, I understand the whole tricky scheduling thing.
Pierre and I had to scramble when our original Programming person told us
they thought they couldn’t come. The idea of flexibility didn’t even occur
to us, although we did have a couple of longer panels included in our
lineup.

I remember the discussion of the panels running late at CC25. And there is
certainly good reason to make some panels longer – the trick will be
figuring out which ones are more likely to need the extra time. I think
your idea has merit, even if there will be the inevitable complaints of
people who miss part of another panel.

I’ll have to try to attend one of those retrospectives – the Archives may
eventually be able to help there.

> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Gravely MacCabre
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 10:54 PM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [runacc] CC26 – Panel Programming
>
> We’re going to try to see how to juggle different rooms doing different

length type

> stuff.
>
> some things just don’t get the attendance nor do they need a full hour,

like the future

> CC’s panel Bruce mentioned.
>
> but sitting in the fan table row all weekend across from a line of panel

rooms, We

> were all quite surprised at how often there was nothing in them.( I

realize they

> weren’t the only rooms.)
> The retrospectives were a good draw from what I could tell, as they were

across

> from us as well.
> the 5 retrospectives done in Ogden were to at least 70% room capacity.
>
> we will be doing 2 I believe at CC-27 stay tuned for who.
>
>
> Gravely MacCabre
> http://www.castleblood.com
> http://www.midnightmonsterhop.com
> http://www.myspace.com/thecastleblood
> http://www.myspace.com/midnightmonsterhop
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>
> —– Original Message —-
> From: “Kevin Roche, Costume-con 26 Convention Chair” <chair@cc26.org>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 5, 2008 11:36:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [runacc] CC26 – Panel Programming
>
>
> The longer schedule slots and lunch break were a conscious decision on
> my part based on our experiences at CC25 and Costume College, where
> panels repeatedly ran over and into each other. At 25, in fact, all of
> Andy’s panels but one started late because the preceding panel ran over,
> as did my cross-dressing panel which needed time for setup and also had
> to wait for the previous panel to clear out, which ran overtime. Perhaps
> I erred too far in the other direction.
>
> I can say I’ve heard about equal number of comments that folks wanted
> even longer, more detailed items vs. more, shorter items. That would
> suggest that we weren’t too far off with the length in concept, anyway.
>
> Kevin
>
> Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
> >
> >
> > Three things about panel programming led to a perception that there
> > was not
> > enough to do. The first was the longer times for panels. Naturally,
> > scheduling longer times for panels is going to result in fewer panels
> > overall. The consensus was, it was better to have too much to want to

see

> > (with some possible repeats of popular panels), rather than not enough.
> >
> > Second, was the lunch break. Most, but not all, of our people seemed to
> > think a specified lunch hour was not that important to them.
> >
> > Third was the long “interims” between the panels to allow passthrough
> > times.
> >

 

Group: runacc Message: 1709 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: C26 – The Friday Night Social
While one or two of us thought the theme was passé, it was obviously a
popular choice out there. Still, the Social disappointed a number of
people, but for differing reasons.

The various live acts got mixed reviews. Just like having a TV in the con
suite after a masquerade, the entertainment tended to suck the conversation
out of the room, thus driving those who would prefer to socialize, out into
the hall. The split seemed to be about 50/50 at times.

There was also a generational component to the split. One or two people got
so tired of the loud music that they went back to their rooms. Comments
included:

“….the general consensus from people we passed on the way there was ‘they
were leaving because the band was too loud’”.

“…I have noticed that bands or DJ’s seem to think that they are giving a
concert that need to be heard instead of being background for the function…”

We were a little surprised by the relative lack of refreshments, other than
the open bar and the ice cream “buffet” (which was a nice change,
nonetheless). A good percentage of people said it would have been better to
“use the money for the “entertainment” for more munchies, instead.”

There’s certainly an argument for the fact that the size of the convention
made providing much in the way of refreshments for that many people
impractical. Does anyone have any info on the other larger cons (CC8 & 12,
15) and what they may have served?

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Group: runacc Message: 1710 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: Panel Programming

In a message dated 6/5/2008 10:36:23 PM Central Daylight Time, chair@cc26.org
writes:

> The longer schedule slots and lunch break were a conscious decision on
> my part based on our experiences at CC25 and Costume College, where
> panels repeatedly ran over and into each other. At 25, in fact, all of
> Andy’s panels but one started late because the preceding panel ran over,
> as did my cross-dressing panel which needed time for setup and also had
> to wait for the previous panel to clear out, which ran overtime. Perhaps
> I erred too far in the other direction.
>
> I can say I’ve heard about equal number of comments that folks wanted
> even longer, more detailed items vs. more, shorter items. That would
> suggest that we weren’t too far off with the length in concept, anyway.
>
>

Do people think that scheduling panels for 50 minutes of an hour, with 10 in
between works? Or one hour panels with 15 minutes between, which would make
for a weird schedule, would work better?

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1711 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Panel Programming

On Jun 6, 2008, at 4:09 AM, Betsy Delaney wrote:

> I’m curious – were there room monitors watching the panel rooms at the
> last few CCs? I wasn’t on enough panels in the last couple of years to
> tell and my memory’s a little…fuzzy…on the past few cons. It’s
> been my experience that the only monitoring we’ve gotten recently has
> been from the incoming panelist(s) who, at times, had to make it
> fairly clear and obvious on arrival that the previous panel’s time was
> almost up.

I don’t remember a CC that had enough program ops staff to do this.
Windycon used to do this, but program ops there used to be run by one
of the great program wonks of our time, Ross Pavlac. Progops at
Windycon sent out runners at the beginning, half-way and wrap-up times
to take a census of each room to determine how well the presenters
held their audience, and to give the “5-minute warning.” This is
valuable when you’ve got the same (or nearly the same) team doing
programming to weed out the unpopular topics and bad presenters. It’s
less valuable when there’s a large turn-over in presenters and
attendees each year.

> It also helps a LOT to have a moderator for every panel having more
> than one participant. You can avoid having one person hog all the time
> and keep the discussion on topic (assuming the drift isn’t a good
> thing). The moderator should also serve as a timekeeper.

Even if I’m not mod, I keep my phone out and open on the table so I
can check the time.

> And, for the record, the two panel types I thought were missing were
> the Masquerade wrap-ups and the Costume-Con reviews at the end.

There was a single “shows” post-mortem on Monday, rather than separate
wrap-ups for each event. There was no general “Hiss and Purr” session
scheduled.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1712 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: Panel Programming
I suppose it’s possible that a single panel might need as much as 10
minutes for turnover, but that’s most likely going to be a workshop
where a lot of materials are laid out and clean-up’s necessary. For
most panels, especially the talking head or kibitzing variety (if
time’s managed well), a five-minute turnover should really be plenty,
but that has to assume that the panelists are being kept to the
schedule and not allowed to run over.

And while I’d love to say that everyone’s as conscientious as Andy
about paying attention to the time, there are some I’ve attended where
the folks on the panel just don’t know when to shut up. (No names, to
protect the guilty…)

I really wish I could remember which CC it was that had the time
monitoring. I’d like to say it was 18 but whatever it was, it was a
LOOOONG time ago.

I also seem to recall that the timekeeper was in charge of programs in
general. It is possible to reserve the program person or a volunteer
to do this, but that person pretty much has to abandon all hope of
seeing any panel all the way through if no help is available.

Sorry I can’t remember more.

Cheers,

Betsy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1713 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: Panel Programming

This year Balticon did 50 minute panels with 10 minutes to change. They
“enforced” this by assigning a moderator and giving him/her a wind up
timer from Ikea. I’m not sure how well this worked or not as I didn’t
attend any panels, but I’ll report back after the programming meeting in
a week or so. If it seems like a good idea, I can borrow the timers for
CC-27.

Marty

Betsy Delaney wrote:

>
> I suppose it’s possible that a single panel might need as much as 10
> minutes for turnover, but that’s most likely going to be a workshop
> where a lot of materials are laid out and clean-up’s necessary. For
> most panels, especially the talking head or kibitzing variety (if
> time’s managed well), a five-minute turnover should really be plenty,
> but that has to assume that the panelists are being kept to the
> schedule and not allowed to run over.
>
> And while I’d love to say that everyone’s as conscientious as Andy
> about paying attention to the time, there are some I’ve attended where
> the folks on the panel just don’t know when to shut up. (No names, to
> protect the guilty…)
>
> I really wish I could remember which CC it was that had the time
> monitoring. I’d like to say it was 18 but whatever it was, it was a
> LOOOONG time ago.
>
> I also seem to recall that the timekeeper was in charge of programs in
> general. It is possible to reserve the program person or a volunteer
> to do this, but that person pretty much has to abandon all hope of
> seeing any panel all the way through if no help is available.
>
> Sorry I can’t remember more.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Betsy
>
>
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>
>
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Group: runacc Message: 1714 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Panel Programming – Andy

> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Andrew Trembley
> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 1:32 AM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [runacc] CC26 – Panel Programming
>
> Kevin Roche, Costume-con 26 Convention Chair wrote:
> > At 25, in fact, all of
> > Andy’s panels but one started late because the preceding panel ran over,
> > as did my cross-dressing panel which needed time for setup and also had
> > to wait for the previous panel to clear out, which ran overtime.
>
> There was a distinct lack of respect for the schedule or the other
> presenters on the part of some program participants at CC25. I had two
> panels at CC25 that started on time. One was a first-thing Saturday
> morning with nothing preceding it. The other was the Archives panel,
> which we moved out into the concourse when it was clear the panel that
> was in our room wasn’t going to clear out. My other panels that started
> late we still wrapped up so the next panel could start on time, so we
> ended up with maybe 40 minutes.

I wish I’d known this was a chronic problem. I could’ve probably done
something about it. However, I also know sometimes people will ignore you,
too. Oh well. <shrug>

Bruce

 

Group: runacc Message: 1715 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Panel Programming – Betsy

> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Betsy Delaney

>
> I’m curious – were there room monitors watching the panel rooms at the
> last few CCs? I wasn’t on enough panels in the last couple of years to
> tell and my memory’s a little…fuzzy…on the past few cons. It’s
> been my experience that the only monitoring we’ve gotten recently has
> been from the incoming panelist(s) who, at times, had to make it
> fairly clear and obvious on arrival that the previous panel’s time was
> almost up.

Not that I was ever aware of.

>
> It also helps a LOT to have a moderator for every panel having more
> than one participant. You can avoid having one person hog all the time
> and keep the discussion on topic (assuming the drift isn’t a good
> thing). The moderator should also serve as a timekeeper.
>
> I don’t know if timekeepers were employed at either CC25 or CC26. I’d
> strongly recommend them for CC27 and beyond.

I think, in the past, people usually rely on people being considerate of
others. Evidently, some of our folks have forgotten this. Sounds like this
needs to be (re)introduce, although if the idea CC27 is floating around
works, maybe there’ll be fewer incidents.

>
>
>
> And, for the record, the two panel types I thought were missing were
> the Masquerade wrap-ups and the Costume-Con reviews at the end.
>
> The folks on this list are very good at pointing out what we think
> went right and wrong with these events, but I think you miss out on
> valuable feedback if you don’t give the con attendees a chance to give
> feedback right then. I suspect there might be some surprises
> concerning what works and what doesn’t. We’ve got a lot of folks
> coming in now who don’t have a long background with Costume-Cons, and
> choosing not to ask them what they thought while at the con might send
> them off to their separate lists to post the feedback. I’d think it
> would be a lot better to hear from them at the con – that way you can
> answer the questions they might have had for why this or that was
> done. And it ought to be mandatory for the future CC folks who are at
> the con to attend these panels so they can hear what’s being said
> firsthand.

I’m of two minds on this – I see pros and cons.

Con:
Depending on the personalities of the organizers involved, some people might
get defensive about some of the criticism. (I suspect that’s the main
reason why we don’t have them at Archon.)

Feedback sessions can often be interpreted to be bitch sessions.

Unless the people who will be running things next year are there, not much
is accomplished.

Pro:

It can serve as another way to communicate with the people who were affected
by certain decisions. If you don’t have some channel for doing so, people
start making up their own stories, posting their (possibly) inaccurate
perspectives on their LJs, etc. And once that happens, the facts often get
lost.

Constructive criticism is a useful tool to improve things for next time.

It also can re-enforce reasons why some things are done the way they are to
people who, as you said, don’t know better.

Nora had an interesting idea of some sort of feedback process like a “How
are we doing” card in the Program Book. Something to think about, even if
you know the percentage returned probably wouldn’t be that high.

Bruce

 

Group: runacc Message: 1716 From: Tina Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Panel Programming (cut-off)

I can’t recall which con it was (a CC or a local) but I do remember attending a con several years ago which purchased a number of large-print-faced clocks, and put one on each program table, so that the program participants KNEW when their time was running out. If one were outfitting only a few rooms and could get a good buy at someplace like Costco or WalMart, that might work. Visual, but not intrusive.

Tina

—– Original Message —–
From: Andrew T Trembley<mailto:attrembl@bovil.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] CC26 – Panel Programming

On Jun 6, 2008, at 4:09 AM, Betsy Delaney wrote:
> I’m curious – were there room monitors watching the panel rooms at the
> last few CCs? I wasn’t on enough panels in the last couple of years to
> tell and my memory’s a little…fuzzy…on the past few cons. It’s
> been my experience that the only monitoring we’ve gotten recently has
> been from the incoming panelist(s) who, at times, had to make it
> fairly clear and obvious on arrival that the previous panel’s time was
> almost up.

I don’t remember a CC that had enough program ops staff to do this.
Windycon used to do this, but program ops there used to be run by one
of the great program wonks of our time, Ross Pavlac. Progops at
Windycon sent out runners at the beginning, half-way and wrap-up times
to take a census of each room to determine how well the presenters
held their audience, and to give the “5-minute warning.” This is
valuable when you’ve got the same (or nearly the same) team doing
programming to weed out the unpopular topics and bad presenters. It’s
less valuable when there’s a large turn-over in presenters and
attendees each year.

> It also helps a LOT to have a moderator for every panel having more
> than one participant. You can avoid having one person hog all the time
> and keep the discussion on topic (assuming the drift isn’t a good
> thing). The moderator should also serve as a timekeeper.

Even if I’m not mod, I keep my phone out and open on the table so I
can check the time.

> And, for the record, the two panel types I thought were missing were
> the Masquerade wrap-ups and the Costume-Con reviews at the end.

There was a single “shows” post-mortem on Monday, rather than separate
wrap-ups for each event. There was no general “Hiss and Purr” session
scheduled.

andy

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Group: runacc Message: 1717 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: Panel Programming

As a former faculty member, I’m used to 50-minute hours, as would be most audience members who ever took a college course. However, there are good reasons why a program item might be scheduled for a 75-minute hour-and-a-half or a 100-minute two hours. It will depend on the topic and the nature of the item.

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: osierhenry@cs.com<mailto:osierhenry@cs.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Panel Programming

In a message dated 6/5/2008 10:36:23 PM Central Daylight Time, chair@cc26.org<mailto:chair@cc26.org>
writes:
> The longer schedule slots and lunch break were a conscious decision on
> my part based on our experiences at CC25 and Costume College, where
> panels repeatedly ran over and into each other. At 25, in fact, all of
> Andy’s panels but one started late because the preceding panel ran over,
> as did my cross-dressing panel which needed time for setup and also had
> to wait for the previous panel to clear out, which ran overtime. Perhaps
> I erred too far in the other direction.
>
> I can say I’ve heard about equal number of comments that folks wanted
> even longer, more detailed items vs. more, shorter items. That would
> suggest that we weren’t too far off with the length in concept, anyway.
>
>

Do people think that scheduling panels for 50 minutes of an hour, with 10 in
between works? Or one hour panels with 15 minutes between, which would make
for a weird schedule, would work better?

Henry

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 1718 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: Panel Programming

SF cons frequently do this — in my experience at Albacons, Archons, Arisias, Lunacons, and Philcons. at least. I’m not sure that it has been standard operating procedure at CCs, however.

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: Martin Gear<mailto:MartinGear@comcast.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Panel Programming

This year Balticon did 50 minute panels with 10 minutes to change. They
“enforced” this by assigning a moderator and giving him/her a wind up
timer from Ikea. I’m not sure how well this worked or not as I didn’t
attend any panels, but I’ll report back after the programming meeting in
a week or so. If it seems like a good idea, I can borrow the timers for
CC-27.

Marty

Betsy Delaney wrote:
>
> I suppose it’s possible that a single panel might need as much as 10
> minutes for turnover, but that’s most likely going to be a workshop
> where a lot of materials are laid out and clean-up’s necessary. For
> most panels, especially the talking head or kibitzing variety (if
> time’s managed well), a five-minute turnover should really be plenty,
> but that has to assume that the panelists are being kept to the
> schedule and not allowed to run over.
>
> And while I’d love to say that everyone’s as conscientious as Andy
> about paying attention to the time, there are some I’ve attended where
> the folks on the panel just don’t know when to shut up. (No names, to
> protect the guilty…)
>
> I really wish I could remember which CC it was that had the time
> monitoring. I’d like to say it was 18 but whatever it was, it was a
> LOOOONG time ago.
>
> I also seem to recall that the timekeeper was in charge of programs in
> general. It is possible to reserve the program person or a volunteer
> to do this, but that person pretty much has to abandon all hope of
> seeing any panel all the way through if no help is available.
>
> Sorry I can’t remember more.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Betsy
>
>
> ———————————————————-
>
>
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> Checked by AVG.
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Group: runacc Message: 1719 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Panel Programming – Betsy

Sometimes the debrief can be invaluable. The Lunacon 2007 masquerade had problems with sight lines, space for the green room and official photography, and moving entrants to and from the stage because, while we were back at our favorite hotel we were using a different ballroom for the first time. None of the masquerade crew were happy. At the masquerade debrief, we identified a far better use of the ballroom space. Since the MD, tech director, and green room manager were the same for 2008 as for 2007, we were able to implement our decision almost without change and it worked great.

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: Bruce & Nora Mai<mailto:casamai@sbcglobal.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 7:11 PM
Subject: RE: [runacc] CC26 – Panel Programming – Betsy

> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com> [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of
> Betsy Delaney

>
> I’m curious – were there room monitors watching the panel rooms at the
> last few CCs? I wasn’t on enough panels in the last couple of years to
> tell and my memory’s a little…fuzzy…on the past few cons. It’s
> been my experience that the only monitoring we’ve gotten recently has
> been from the incoming panelist(s) who, at times, had to make it
> fairly clear and obvious on arrival that the previous panel’s time was
> almost up.

Not that I was ever aware of.
>
> It also helps a LOT to have a moderator for every panel having more
> than one participant. You can avoid having one person hog all the time
> and keep the discussion on topic (assuming the drift isn’t a good
> thing). The moderator should also serve as a timekeeper.
>
> I don’t know if timekeepers were employed at either CC25 or CC26. I’d
> strongly recommend them for CC27 and beyond.

I think, in the past, people usually rely on people being considerate of
others. Evidently, some of our folks have forgotten this. Sounds like this
needs to be (re)introduce, although if the idea CC27 is floating around
works, maybe there’ll be fewer incidents.
>
>
>
> And, for the record, the two panel types I thought were missing were
> the Masquerade wrap-ups and the Costume-Con reviews at the end.
>
> The folks on this list are very good at pointing out what we think
> went right and wrong with these events, but I think you miss out on
> valuable feedback if you don’t give the con attendees a chance to give
> feedback right then. I suspect there might be some surprises
> concerning what works and what doesn’t. We’ve got a lot of folks
> coming in now who don’t have a long background with Costume-Cons, and
> choosing not to ask them what they thought while at the con might send
> them off to their separate lists to post the feedback. I’d think it
> would be a lot better to hear from them at the con – that way you can
> answer the questions they might have had for why this or that was
> done. And it ought to be mandatory for the future CC folks who are at
> the con to attend these panels so they can hear what’s being said
> firsthand.

I’m of two minds on this – I see pros and cons.

Con:
Depending on the personalities of the organizers involved, some people might
get defensive about some of the criticism. (I suspect that’s the main
reason why we don’t have them at Archon.)

Feedback sessions can often be interpreted to be bitch sessions.

Unless the people who will be running things next year are there, not much
is accomplished.

Pro:

It can serve as another way to communicate with the people who were affected
by certain decisions. If you don’t have some channel for doing so, people
start making up their own stories, posting their (possibly) inaccurate
perspectives on their LJs, etc. And once that happens, the facts often get
lost.

Constructive criticism is a useful tool to improve things for next time.

It also can re-enforce reasons why some things are done the way they are to
people who, as you said, don’t know better.

Nora had an interesting idea of some sort of feedback process like a “How
are we doing” card in the Program Book. Something to think about, even if
you know the percentage returned probably wouldn’t be that high.

Bruce

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Group: runacc Message: 1720 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Panel Programming – Betsy

Because we did not have a feedback session at CC26, Trystan is working
on a feedback survey we can send out (or have folks do online), to pass
the suggestions forward to future CCs.

Which reminds me, I need to find out where she is on that project!

Kevin

Byron Connell wrote:

>
> Sometimes the debrief can be invaluable. The Lunacon 2007 masquerade
> had problems with sight lines, space for the green room and official
> photography, and moving entrants to and from the stage because, while
> we were back at our favorite hotel we were using a different ballroom
> for the first time. None of the masquerade crew were happy. At the
> masquerade debrief, we identified a far better use of the ballroom
> space. Since the MD, tech director, and green room manager were the
> same for 2008 as for 2007, we were able to implement our decision
> almost without change and it worked great.
>
> Byron
>
> –
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1721 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: CC survey?

Excellent! I think that could become a future CC standard – maybe even
included in the packet.
I look forward to seeing the results.

Nora

> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair
> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 8:19 PM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [runacc] CC26 – Panel Programming – Betsy
>
> Because we did not have a feedback session at CC26, Trystan is working
> on a feedback survey we can send out (or have folks do online), to pass
> the suggestions forward to future CCs.
>
> Which reminds me, I need to find out where she is on that project!
>
> Kevin

 

Group: runacc Message: 1722 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Panel Programming – survey – Kevin

Good idea. Not that I think it’ll be a problem, but how do you plan to
filter out those who didn’t actually attend?

Bruce

> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair
> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 8:19 PM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [runacc] CC26 – Panel Programming – Betsy
>
> Because we did not have a feedback session at CC26, Trystan is working
> on a feedback survey we can send out (or have folks do online), to pass
> the suggestions forward to future CCs.
>
> Which reminds me, I need to find out where she is on that project!
>
> Kevin
>
> Byron Connell wrote:
> >
> > Sometimes the debrief can be invaluable. The Lunacon 2007 masquerade
> > had problems with sight lines, space for the green room and official
> > photography, and moving entrants to and from the stage because, while
> > we were back at our favorite hotel we were using a different ballroom
> > for the first time. None of the masquerade crew were happy. At the
> > masquerade debrief, we identified a far better use of the ballroom
> > space. Since the MD, tech director, and green room manager were the
> > same for 2008 as for 2007, we were able to implement our decision
> > almost without change and it worked great.
> >
> > Byron

 

Group: runacc Message: 1723 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-con 26 Convention Ch Date: 6/7/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Panel Programming – survey – Kevin

This is why Trystan (who has experience with these things) offered to do
it for us.

Kevin

Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

>
> Good idea. Not that I think it’ll be a problem, but how do you plan to
> filter out those who didn’t actually attend?
>
> Bruce
>
> > —–Original Message—–
> > From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>] On
> Behalf Of
> > Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair
> > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 8:19 PM
> > To: runacc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [runacc] CC26 – Panel Programming – Betsy
> >
> > Because we did not have a feedback session at CC26, Trystan is working
> > on a feedback survey we can send out (or have folks do online), to pass
> > the suggestions forward to future CCs.
> >
> > Which reminds me, I need to find out where she is on that project!
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> > Byron Connell wrote:
> > >
> > > Sometimes the debrief can be invaluable. The Lunacon 2007 masquerade
> > > had problems with sight lines, space for the green room and official
> > > photography, and moving entrants to and from the stage because, while
> > > we were back at our favorite hotel we were using a different ballroom
> > > for the first time. None of the masquerade crew were happy. At the
> > > masquerade debrief, we identified a far better use of the ballroom
> > > space. Since the MD, tech director, and green room manager were the
> > > same for 2008 as for 2007, we were able to implement our decision
> > > almost without change and it worked great.
> > >
> > > Byron
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1724 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: CC26 – The SF & F Masquerade
This is the event that received the harshest criticism for a number of
reasons.

“The SFF masq was run atrociously. It seemed only a modicum of organization
was thrown at it and very little of it stuck.”

That’s just one person’s opinion. To be fair, I don’t think everyone who
participated felt this strongly, but among a number of our folks who have
experience with other con masquerades, they had a lot to say.

The online masquerade system worked well, but a lot of our people didn’t
bother – a lot of people never do. Archon has had such a system for years,
and gets maybe 25% of their data that way. Having no onsite registration
form was a mistake. It required entrants to have to wait in line and then
dictate their info to the MD and their assistant.
(“I don’t particularly like broadcasting my entry to everyone in the hall!”)

“.you should always test you tech equipment before the actual event doubly
so of the tech crew is unfamiliar with the equipment and each other. That
was the first rule when I used to run tech in high school and college
productions and should have been the first thing that they did once the
equipment was in place. There is no way, at least to my knowledge, that a
piece of music just automatically loops itself back to the beginning without
someone touching a button or setting it up to be that way.”

I’m going to let one of our members give his overall experience, Let me
preface this by saying that the mandatory meeting for masquerade entries was
a very good idea. Archon has been doing this for years. However, that
being said, the time was not utilized well, at all. It wound up setting
back the first tech rehearsal 30 minutes and never caught up. I’ll insert a
couple of comments where necessary:

“The mandatory masq meeting ran way too long. No one who was asked to speak
seemed prepared to say anything even though they all had info we needed to
know. They just rambled on, and barfed up info as it occurred to them.

My tech was at 1:45 after the extensive 11:00 meeting. I arrived for my
tech rehearsal 15 minutes early, only to learn that they were running a half
hour behind and that the order we had signed up in was completely tossed out
the window.

The green room was not able to check anyone in at the scheduled opening
time, as no run order was available, so no den assignments could be made.
Additionally, the workmanship judges couldn’t begin judging. No run order
numbers. I can’t believe it’s that hard to put together a run order between
masq reg close and beginning of meeting.

Again, to be fair, some of this next part was based on hearsay, to an
extent. Any corrections would be appreciated.

I heard rumors of problems printing out the scripts from the database. This
is not a valid excuse. When masq registration closed the scripts should
have been immediately printed and available at tech rehearsals. This is the
only real chance the MC has to annotate pronunciations and the sound and
lighting crews have to also annotate the scripts so that they get things
correct. The scripts were reprinted just before the masquerade started.
WTF. What good was the tech rehearsal if the scripts were reprinted? All
we accomplished at tech was for the contestants to get a warm fuzzy feeling
about the stage configuration. I heard it was because the “Created by”
credit was omitted from the first printing. This is something that could
have been taken care of during tech. Anyone who cared about that credit
being read after their presentation could have told the MC and he could have
annotated his script. Being in Den 1, I was in line for much longer than I
would have liked, waiting while the MC stretched as the scripts were
reprinted and not yet available. I can walk around all day, but I can’t
stand still in one place for too long. It kills my feet.

As with a number of people, there were many technical problems:

I know they say the judges recognize this sort of thing and don’t hold it
against you, but do they really? ..To their credit, about half a dozen con
staff apologized to me personally, including the audio folks. The
explanation I got from them was that their CD player ate my CD. .It’s kind
of an old chestnut, but bears repeating. It’s a poor workman who blames his
tools. Mr. Roche is commended for attempting to deflect the blame upon
himself, but my problem was not his fault and blame needs to be properly
assessed. I heard from the ladies who went on before me (Devil’s Darning
Needle) that the audio folks somehow ate the center of their music, which
included the cue for two of the three of them to enter. Again, not Kevin’s
fault.

The other problem with audio was that the audio folks at tech weren’t the
same audio folks who worked the masquerade. Again WTF!! Yet another thing
that tech is supposed to accomplish that was not. The audio folks were
encountering the show for the first time as it was being performed. WT MF
SOB! Does it seem like I get a little agitated when I think back on it?

For another perspective on the lateness of tech rehearsals: I had the last
tech rehearsal, the 4:45 slot before the green room opened at 5:00.
Planning ahead, I dressed in my entry so that if time got short I could just
go to the green room and do my makeup. Good thing I was thinking. Not only
was my 15 minute time slot shared with 2 other entries, but I didn’t get
into tech until 6:30 almost 7

That’s enough of that. You get the idea. On another note, I’ll step in
here to say that the backstage ninjas/crew people did a creditable job for
all the shows.

Guild awards: The special costuming group awards are starting to get out of
hand. All the awards during the halftime must’ve taken at least 20 minutes.
This is one of the lesser reasons the SLCG elected to stop giving out the
Slattern. Maybe what needs to happen is for the MC to read the award,
rather than the groups themselves.

Presentation and Workmanship Awards: The perception was that, given the
quality of just about every costume on stage, the award totals were
noticeably low. Just for “fun”, I recently did some number crunching, based
on what I could glean from the Costume-Con website and other sources and
found some interesting statistics. Granted this is general numbers, but I
still think it’s accurate.

First of all, while CC26 had one of the largest masquerades in years, but
when it comes to the ratio of number of people on stage to total attendance,
CC15 may have had the largest percentage of participants: CC15 had an
attendance around 435, with 69 participants spread among 45 entries. That’s
almost 16% of the convention presenting their works.

CC26 had roughly 876 attendees, with 79 participants spread among 48
entries. That’s about 9% of the people at the con presenting.

Without boring you too much, the SF & F masquerades in the past 5 years
averaged anywhere from 50% to 66% of the entries receiving some sort of
awards in each Skill Division. This is how CC26 broke down, excluding Best
In Show:

10 Novices
13 Journeymen
24 Masters

Workmanship awards
Novices – 5 (50%)
Journeymen – 7 (53%)
Masters – 7 – (29%)

Presentation awards
Novices – 4 (40%)
Journeymen – 4 (30%)
Masters – 7 (29%)

Maybe I could see that the presentations for Journeymen might not have been
stellar, but what obviously stands out is the low percentage for Masters.
To me, something was amiss. Given the quality of the costumes I saw back
stage, the Costume-Con axiom “Excellence Deserves Recognition” was clearly
not well served – especially for the Master entries.

Along these lines we had a report of questionable comments by a judge, if
accurate. Already upset about the tech errors, this added insult to injury:
“Public apologies aside, there was no way to truly make up for the
humiliation that I felt at the time and then to later hear that they wanted
to give us an award but didn’t because we were ‘cosplayers’ just pissed me
off more”. To be fair, I can’t verify this claim.

Here’s a different tale of difficulties with judging: “I rushed into the
green room, put on my makeup, and was the last to see workmanship judging.
My costume was largely tear-away, so I had on the under outfit and had the
overdress next to me. I clarified with the clerk that they had my
documentation (had a spare on hand just in case) and showed them what I was
wearing. Turned around and grabbed my hat and there was only one judge of
the two left. Showed her my hat, thinking she’d explain to the other, then
turned around to pick up my dress. Gathering it took a minute, and when I
got it back there were no judges. I asked a den mom and the green room
manager if I would have a chance to *finish* my workmanship judging and I
was told that the judges only had 2 minutes per group, they were already
deliberating, and that if I wanted more time I should have arrived earlier.”
In other words, it was this person’s fault that the tech rehearsals had
delayed them, making them late to be judged?

I hesitated with this next part, because it may come across as sour grapes,
but future MDs and Con Chairs ought to be aware of it. Most people on this
list probably already know that an SF & F Workmanship award was overlooked
during the announcements, appearing later in the convention newsletter and
is now on the website. That was mine. While I was disappointed when I
thought I hadn’t won anything, it wouldn’t have been the first time that the
judges did not feel I was good enough. To the credit of the con chair, MD
and one of the Workmanship judges, they all apologized for the oversight
later that night or Sunday evening. A “placeholder” (my term) certificate
was printed up after the Historical and one with the signatures of the
judges was promised to come in the mail, later. (That has not appeared yet,
by the way.)

Imagine if this had occurred to a different costumer – someone less
experienced? We all know that while a ribbon or a certificate is nice, what
we really live for is the audience applause and recognition. Speaking as a
former con chair, I believe it would have been a good idea to have the
overlooked person’s award announced at the beginning of the next show and
have that person stand up.

Videos are treated as official records where other types are incomplete.
Essentially, these two awards will not exist unless you know where to look.
I urge everyone in the future to be aware of these occurrences so they don’t
happen again.

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Group: runacc Message: 1725 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/10/2008
Subject: CC26 – Hospitality
This came in for criticism for different reasons. Everyone is already well
aware of the major gaffs with the food for the Green Room and CC27, so
there’s no point to rehashing those events. The only things worth adding
were that whoever was in the room at midnight on Saturday after the
masquerade was rude, and slammed the sliding door in people’s faces.
Someone should have re-opened the room.

Given the size of the con, it’s perfectly understandable that the committee
shouldn’t have felt an obligation to feed the entire con. Yet, the choice
of snacks seemed .underwhelming. There were no regional or signature
specialties – we would have thought there’d be more of an effort there,
given the rich local cultural background.

The Con Suite was rather small. The saving grace was the terrace outside
the room where people could step out and socialize. This was nice, although
it got rather chilly into the evening hours. The Suite did not seem like
the central hub of social activity after the masquerades. It can only be
assumed it was because of the other parties splitting up the traffic –
possibly a good thing in some ways. The energy levels in the Suite appeared
to suffer, though.

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Group: runacc Message: 1726 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/10/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Hospitality

On Jun 10, 2008, at 5:52 PM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> This came in for criticism for different reasons. Everyone is
> already well
> aware of the major gaffs with the food for the Green Room and CC27, so
> there’s no point to rehashing those events. The only things worth adding
> were that whoever was in the room at midnight on Saturday after the
> masquerade was rude, and slammed the sliding door in people’s faces.
> Someone should have re-opened the room.

Actually, there are things to rehash on those events.

On the Green Room food?

Byron gets thrown under the train for the Saturday green room food
issue, not the ConSuite. He was asked to not use Carole as his assistant
director in the green room, as she already had one pre-con and one
at-con job and helping out on other issues always took precedence over
those jobs with her. He took her anyway, and the botched Saturday food
delivery was one of the results. When the green-room food pickup by
Carole on Saturday night was “incomplete,” ConSuite assigned one of
their staffers to take over Green Room snack service for Sunday morning
and night.

On the midnight closure and CC27’s party?

Not scheduling a closure for the masquerades was our mistake. Sandra
didn’t know this was a common thing to do at CC, and none of us thought
to suggest it to her. It left the staff there alone. A scheduled closure
would have allowed later scheduled hours after re-opening.

I will point out, though, that our scheduled hours weren’t significantly
different from the last 5 CC’s. At the last 5 CCs we specifically
negotiated extended hours in the ConSuites on our sponsorship nights
after the masquerades. I believe 21 and 23 just let us take over the
room and close when we wished. 22’s ConSuite head agreed to stay open
late with us. 24 was Des Moines, they always run parties late. Rachael
Hillen volunteered to stay on late with us at 25.

We also didn’t have everybody who was supposed to be hosting our parties
volunteering on or in the same night’s masquerade. We always had at
least one person (often me) whose only responsibility on sponsor night
was to coordinate final decorations and refreshments and welcoming folks
after masquerade on-site with the ConSuite head. That was a mistake on
the part of Ricky, Marty and the CC27 committee.

> Given the size of the con, it’s perfectly understandable that the
> committee
> shouldn’t have felt an obligation to feed the entire con. Yet, the choice
> of snacks seemed .underwhelming. There were no regional or signature
> specialties – we would have thought there’d be more of an effort there,
> given the rich local cultural background.

The snack selection in the ConSuite was rather pedestrian.

Sandra lost nearly two shopping days earlier in the week because she had
to run home to San Diego (8 hours each way) for a job interview. Not
going to begrudge her that.

> The Con Suite was rather small.

The ConSuite was significantly larger than the ConSuite at CC25 and 22,
and similar in size to the ConSuite at CC23. It was smaller than the
ConSuite at CC21 or CC24 (which was huge). It was also the largest room
that was covered under our corkage waiver, and the only large room that
was covered by the corkage waiver on an unrestricted floor.

It did suffer from the large “boardroom” table that cannot be removed.
We requested that they bring in a sofa or two, but that didn’t happen.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1727 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/10/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Hospitality
Andy Wrote:
We also didn’t have everybody who was supposed to be hosting our parties

volunteering on or in the same night’s masquerade. We always had at
least one person (often me) whose only responsibility on sponsor night
was to coordinate final decorations and refreshments and welcoming folks
after masquerade on-site with the ConSuite head. That was a mistake on
the part of Ricky, Marty and the CC27 committee.

************Bull shit!!!!!!!!!!! Andy, just plain bullshit

The masquerade was run so horribley ( yeah, no one has really responded to that topic yet. the big fart in the room that no one wants to talk about, don’t worry we’re getting there.) it ran way later than in the last few years.Marty was still there in plenty of time to get rolling. just as we had in years past. you were not there as far as I’ve been told.
the room was locked, and what difference would it have made, they gave away most of our stuff.you say that when YOU hosted a night at other cons, you negotiated to have them stay later.
You always seem to know so much about everything, and so much better than everyone else, then why didn’t you just automatically have these run late.on the good side to be fair, with the open terrace, I assume that’s why the room was small, so people would enjoy being outside in the evenings.

and also to be fair, we have been told that our sponsorship check is being returned.

Andy Wrote: Sandra lost nearly two shopping days earlier in the week because she had

to run home to San Diego (8 hours each way) for a job interview. Not
going to begrudge her that.

***************No, but as hosts of the best con suite parties i’ve ever been to ( yup, big kuddos there) how could your person not have a plan, or if her life went wacky, how did the conchair(s) not ever look at the schedule and see that YOU GUYS always wanted it open late, why wouldn’t everyone else.

AND the big thing was, Kevin throwing Sandra under the bus big time by making HER come face to face with that horrible bastard Ricky to apologise to me while he stood there and said it was all her fault and she just didn’t know any better.

And yes, for the record, if you heard it from somewhere, I did tell her that I totally understood how it could get messed up, it’s not like Kevin has been to many cons or anything.

Ricky

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Group: runacc Message: 1728 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/10/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Hospitality
Andy Wrote:
We also didn’t have everybody who was supposed to be hosting our parties

volunteering on or in the same night’s masquerade. We always had at
least one person (often me) whose only responsibility on sponsor night
was to coordinate final decorations and refreshments and welcoming folks
after masquerade on-site with the ConSuite head. That was a mistake on
the part of Ricky, Marty and the CC27 committee.

************Bull shit!!!!!!!!!!! Andy, just plain bullshit

The masquerade was run so horribley ( yeah, no one has really responded to that topic yet. the big fart in the room that no one wants to talk about, don’t worry we’re getting there.) it ran way later than in the last few years.Marty was still there in plenty of time to get rolling. just as we had in years past. you were not there as far as I’ve been told.
the room was locked, and what difference would it have made, they gave away most of our stuff.you say that when YOU hosted a night at other cons, you negotiated to have them stay later.
You always seem to know so much about everything, and so much better than everyone else, then why didn’t you just automatically have these run late.on the good side to be fair, with the open terrace, I assume that’s why the room was small, so people would enjoy being outside in the evenings.

and also to be fair, we have been told that our sponsorship check is being returned.

Andy Wrote: Sandra lost nearly two shopping days earlier in the week because she had

to run home to San Diego (8 hours each way) for a job interview. Not
going to begrudge her that.

***************No, but as hosts of the best con suite parties i’ve ever been to ( yup, big kuddos there) how could your person not have a plan, or if her life went wacky, how did the conchair(s) not ever look at the schedule and see that YOU GUYS always wanted it open late, why wouldn’t everyone else.

AND the big thing was, Kevin throwing Sandra under the bus big time by making HER come face to face with that horrible bastard Ricky to apologise to me while he stood there and said it was all her fault and she just didn’t know any better.

And yes, for the record, if you heard it from somewhere, I did tell her that I totally understood how it could get messed up, it’s not like Kevin has been to many cons or anything.

Ricky

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Group: runacc Message: 1729 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/10/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Hospitality

This is why it’s crucial to have people in the important positions to be
aware of the CC format. Even at CC25 we had to explain to Rachel Hillen’s
mother that it’s necessary to stay open late – and she should have known
better. Fortunately, as you say, Rachel was willing to stay around. Had it
been necessary, I would have stayed, myself.

I’ll come back to the point about knowing the format in a future post.

Bruce

> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Andrew Trembley
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 9:31 PM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [runacc] CC26 – Hospitality
>
> On Jun 10, 2008, at 5:52 PM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
> > This came in for criticism for different reasons. Everyone is
> > already well
> > aware of the major gaffs with the food for the Green Room and CC27, so
> > there’s no point to rehashing those events. The only things worth

adding

> > were that whoever was in the room at midnight on Saturday after the
> > masquerade was rude, and slammed the sliding door in people’s faces.
> > Someone should have re-opened the room.
>
>
> On the midnight closure and CC27’s party?
>
> Not scheduling a closure for the masquerades was our mistake. Sandra
> didn’t know this was a common thing to do at CC, and none of us thought
> to suggest it to her. It left the staff there alone. A scheduled closure
> would have allowed later scheduled hours after re-opening.
>
>
> andy

rms/

 

Group: runacc Message: 1730 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/10/2008
Subject: CC26 – Costume-Con TV
It was an interesting idea. For Nora, Karen H. and my part, we didn’t
bother watching much of any of it – we’d seen most of it, so you can’t use
us as a typical sample. I’d be interested to know what feedback there was
on it. I’ll let some of our folks give their impressions:

“.really like the idea of broadcasted panels. The room that could have used
such a thing is the sewing room. I know several people who used said room to
the detrament of their going to panels.”

“I can’t speak to CCTV as I never watched a second of it. Perhaps if there
had been some TVs placed throughout the con areas tuned to CCTV it might
have occurred to me to watch. That’d be a good suggestion for future CCs if
they want to continue CCTV. Oooo, you could supplement panels by recording
panels at cons and playing the good ones back on CCTV. You’d need to
publish a schedule of when things will be broadcast though.”

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Group: runacc Message: 1731 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/10/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Costume-Con TV
I thought all the costumey movies was fun to have on back in our room as background noise.

Costuming being the visual medium it is, I think any attempts at video for the con is fun.
I usually agree with Bruce that videos in the con suite are the kiss of death to actual socializing, so if the hotel lets folks use their system, well, what the heck, it certainley can’t hurt.

and Thanks to Kevin and Ken for including one of our shos in the run, and I enjoyed seeing some west coast horror hosts for the first time.

Gravely MacCabre
http://www.castleblood.com
http://www.midnightmonsterhop.com
http://www.myspace.com/thecastleblood
http://www.myspace.com/midnightmonsterhop
clip samples at
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—– Original Message —-
From: Bruce & Nora Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:20:41 PM
Subject: [runacc] CC26 – Costume-Con TV

It was an interesting idea. For Nora, Karen H. and my part, we didn’t
bother watching much of any of it – we’d seen most of it, so you can’t use
us as a typical sample. I’d be interested to know what feedback there was
on it. I’ll let some of our folks give their impressions:

“.really like the idea of broadcasted panels. The room that could have used
such a thing is the sewing room. I know several people who used said room to
the detrament of their going to panels.”

“I can’t speak to CCTV as I never watched a second of it. Perhaps if there
had been some TVs placed throughout the con areas tuned to CCTV it might
have occurred to me to watch. That’d be a good suggestion for future CCs if
they want to continue CCTV. Oooo, you could supplement panels by recording
panels at cons and playing the good ones back on CCTV. You’d need to
publish a schedule of when things will be broadcast though.”

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Group: runacc Message: 1732 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/10/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Hospitality

Gravely MacCabre wrote:

> The masquerade was run so horribley ( yeah, no one has really responded to that topic yet. the big fart in the room that no one wants to talk about, don’t worry we’re getting there.) it ran way later than in the last few years.Marty was still there in plenty of time to get rolling. just as we had in years past. you were not there as far as I’ve been told.

I was not at the hospitality suite. I was in ops, returning masquerade
supplies from the judging room and attempting to help the Historical
directors who were working on midnight paperwork printing when Marty
came by trying to find out why hospitality wasn’t open. Marty probably
didn’t notice me, though.

> Andy Wrote: Sandra lost nearly two shopping days earlier in the week because she had
> to run home to San Diego (8 hours each way) for a job interview. Not
> going to begrudge her that.
>
> ***************No, but as hosts of the best con suite parties i’ve ever been to ( yup, big kuddos there) how could your person not have a plan, or if her life went wacky, how did the conchair(s) not ever look at the schedule and see that YOU GUYS always wanted it open late, why wouldn’t everyone else.

See what you’re running to do in the last week before CC27 when you’re
chair and what your priorities are. If fancier snacks in the consuite
are your highest priority, then you’re very lucky.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1733 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/10/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Hospitality

didn’t say anything about fancy snacks.
not a darn thing, don’t try to change the subject. this is just about the administration and scheduling problems. which could/should have bee set weeks if not months earlier, so the crazy period before the con you speak of is totally irrelevant

Gravely MacCabre
http://www.castleblood.com
http://www.midnightmonsterhop.com
http://www.myspace.com/thecastleblood
http://www.myspace.com/midnightmonsterhop
clip samples at
http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood

—– Original Message —-
From: Andrew Trembley <attrembl@bovil.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:29:43 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] CC26 – Hospitality

Gravely MacCabre wrote:

> The masquerade was run so horribley ( yeah, no one has really responded to that topic yet. the big fart in the room that no one wants to talk about, don’t worry we’re getting there.) it ran way later than in the last few years.Marty was still there in plenty of time to get rolling. just as we had in years past. you were not there as far as I’ve been told.

I was not at the hospitality suite. I was in ops, returning masquerade
supplies from the judging room and attempting to help the Historical
directors who were working on midnight paperwork printing when Marty
came by trying to find out why hospitality wasn’t open. Marty probably
didn’t notice me, though.

> Andy Wrote: Sandra lost nearly two shopping days earlier in the week because she had
> to run home to San Diego (8 hours each way) for a job interview. Not
> going to begrudge her that.
>
> ************ ***No, but as hosts of the best con suite parties i’ve ever been to ( yup, big kuddos there) how could your person not have a plan, or if her life went wacky, how did the conchair(s) not ever look at the schedule and see that YOU GUYS always wanted it open late, why wouldn’t everyone else.

See what you’re running to do in the last week before CC27 when you’re
chair and what your priorities are. If fancier snacks in the consuite
are your highest priority, then you’re very lucky.

andy

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Group: runacc Message: 1734 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/10/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Hospitality
Andy Wrote:

I was not at the hospitality suite. I was in ops, returning masquerade
supplies from the judging room and attempting to help the Historical
directors who were working on midnight paperwork printing when Marty
came by trying to find out why hospitality wasn’t open. Marty probably
didn’t notice me, though.

***********You’re trying to change the subject again.
the statement was about if you were in the con suite.
simple answer, no.

don’t need to know how hard you and the next days historical folks were working. it has nothing to do with this topic, unless you mean it to be understood that you were understaffed, and since you had other duties
( totally legit ) you weren’t there.

And I’m not pleased with the last statement about Marty may have missed you in ops.
that sounds like you’re trying to fault him again for something, which again, has nothing to do with the topic.
Him not seeing you in ops working on the historic, doesn’t mean the way that the consuite ran was okay.

Ricky

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Group: runacc Message: 1735 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/10/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Hospitality

Gravely MacCabre wrote:

> didn’t say anything about fancy snacks.
> not a darn thing, don’t try to change the subject. this is just about the administration and scheduling problems. which could/should have bee set weeks if not months earlier, so the crazy period before the con you speak of is totally irrelevant

You’re kidding, right?

The original comment was that the ConSuite snacks weren’t exciting. That
was the question being addressed, and the question you stepped into the
middle of.

Sandra returned in time to make her scheduled big shopping run. Went off
without a hitch. She was also able to schedule her mid-weekend resupply
run. That’s the unexciting snacks. The time she lost was the time she
could have used shopping at places other than Costco, for the fancy snacks.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1736 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Hospitality

Gravely MacCabre wrote:

> And I’m not pleased with the last statement about Marty may have missed you in ops.
> that sounds like you’re trying to fault him again for something, which again, has nothing to do with the topic.
> Him not seeing you in ops working on the historic, doesn’t mean the way that the consuite ran was okay.

Let’s go for the simple.

I was already in Ops when Marty came in and lodged his complaint. He was
occupied with one thing, and talking with the folks running the ops
desk, not me. I was on the other side of the room working on other
things, but where I could listen to the complaint, because it doesn’t
take many brain cells to stack boxes back where they belong.

Not involving me at that point was not a mistake. I am not faulting
Marty for that. He was working with the right people.

You on the other hand, trying to tell me what I do and don’t know, I’ll
fault.

I will still fault both you and Marty for not having a person whose only
job on Saturday was working for CC27 on your party.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1737 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Hospitality
Andy Wrote: You’re kidding, right?

The original comment was that the ConSuite snacks weren’t exciting. That
was the question being addressed, and the question you stepped into the
middle of.
***no I’m not kidding.
so I should have started a different topic then?if you only want to talk about snacks, then why do it in a cut and paste of my message which did not.

Nope, nice try, you’re just trying to deflect.

Ricky

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Group: runacc Message: 1738 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Hospitality
Andy Wrote:
I will still fault both you and Marty for not having a person whose only
job on Saturday was working for CC27 on your party.

*****We’ve never had to at other cons, let alone one run by the party masters.

but if it helps you sleep better, that’s fine. It’s all our fault.
the folks here at least have gotten to read both sides

Ricky

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Group: runacc Message: 1739 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Hospitality

Gravely MacCabre wrote:

> but if it helps you sleep better, that’s fine. It’s all our fault.
> the folks here at least have gotten to read both sides

No, it’s not all your fault. But you do bear some responsibility.

You can pull the stake out of your heart now.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1740 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Hospitality
Andy Wrote: You can pull the stake out of your heart now.

****that only works in the movies 😉

Ricky
_

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Group: runacc Message: 1741 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Costume-Con TV

I got to see a tiny bit of the CCTV programming the first night I was
at the hotel, and not again during my stay. It was okay.

My experience with CCXV taught me that movies at con are not always
met with enthusiasm, even with a published schedule. We spent a chunk
of money to cover the licensing of older flicks that a vast majority
of con members never saw.

Also, regarding the comment about videos in the con suite – I missed
having that opportunity, actually. While I recognize that a large
chunk of the con got to see the masquerades, I didn’t see the SF at
all except from the wings, until I got home and had time to pop in the
DVD. Without a direct feed into the room, most of the participants
were in the same boat. I didn’t hear complaints or comments, but it
did seem odd to me that the video wasn’t shown after the masquerade.

For the record, panels have been recorded for posterity at least
twice, at CC6 and again at CC8 (I think), by Breighton (Rusty) Dawe’s
company. I never purchased the sets (too much out of pocket money for
me to afford with the archives). If someone in the crowd owns a set of
these, it might be good to help the archives out. Hint.

Cheers,

-b

On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 11:26 PM, Gravely MacCabre <gravelymac@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I thought all the costumey movies was fun to have on back in our room as
> background noise.
>
> Costuming being the visual medium it is, I think any attempts at video for
> the con is fun.
> I usually agree with Bruce that videos in the con suite are the kiss of
> death to actual socializing, so if the hotel lets folks use their system,
> well, what the heck, it certainley can’t hurt.
>
> and Thanks to Kevin and Ken for including one of our shos in the run, and I
> enjoyed seeing some west coast horror hosts for the first time.
>
> Gravely MacCabre
> http://www.castleblood.com
> http://www.midnightmonsterhop.com
> http://www.myspace.com/thecastleblood
> http://www.myspace.com/midnightmonsterhop
> clip samples at
> http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood
>
> —– Original Message —-
> From: Bruce & Nora Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:20:41 PM
> Subject: [runacc] CC26 – Costume-Con TV
>
> It was an interesting idea. For Nora, Karen H. and my part, we didn’t
> bother watching much of any of it – we’d seen most of it, so you can’t use
> us as a typical sample. I’d be interested to know what feedback there was
> on it. I’ll let some of our folks give their impressions:
>
> “.really like the idea of broadcasted panels. The room that could have used
> such a thing is the sewing room. I know several people who used said room to
> the detrament of their going to panels.”
>
> “I can’t speak to CCTV as I never watched a second of it. Perhaps if there
> had been some TVs placed throughout the con areas tuned to CCTV it might
> have occurred to me to watch. That’d be a good suggestion for future CCs if
> they want to continue CCTV. Oooo, you could supplement panels by recording
> panels at cons and playing the good ones back on CCTV. You’d need to
> publish a schedule of when things will be broadcast though.”
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1742 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Hospitality

Gravely MacCabre wrote:

>
> Andy Wrote: You’re kidding, right?
>
> The original comment was that the ConSuite snacks weren’t exciting. That
> was the question being addressed, and the question you stepped into the
> middle of.
> ***no I’m not kidding.
> so I should have started a different topic then?if you only want to talk about snacks, then why do it in a cut and paste of my message which did not.
>
> Nope, nice try, you’re just trying to deflect.

Let’s reconstruct this, then.

From my original response:

>> Given the size of the con, it’s perfectly understandable that the
>> committee
>> shouldn’t have felt an obligation to feed the entire con. Yet, the choice
>> of snacks seemed .underwhelming. There were no regional or signature
>> specialties – we would have thought there’d be more of an effort there,
>> given the rich local cultural background.
>
> The snack selection in the ConSuite was rather pedestrian.
>
> Sandra lost nearly two shopping days earlier in the week because she had
> to run home to San Diego (8 hours each way) for a job interview. Not
> going to begrudge her that.

So yes, I’m responding that the snacks weren’t exciting and one of the
reasons the snacks weren’t exciting.

Now your response.

>> Andy Wrote: Sandra lost nearly two shopping days earlier in the week because she had
>> to run home to San Diego (8 hours each way) for a job interview. Not
>> going to begrudge her that.
>
> ***************No, but as hosts of the best con suite parties i’ve ever been to ( yup, big kuddos there) how could your person not have a plan, or if her life went wacky, how did the conchair(s) not ever look at the schedule and see that YOU GUYS always wanted it open late, why wouldn’t everyone else.

If your response isn’t related to the question of snacks and shopping I
was answering, I think I already addressed that in my original comments
to Bruce & Nora.

Basic ConSuite hours was an oversight on our part. We should have closed
ConSuite during the shows, and reopened afterwards with a later
close-time on Saturday and Sunday. First thing I said about the closing
time when I responded earlier tonight.

However, with one glaring exception (who really needed it), we were
trying not to micromanage our volunteers.

One of those things was letting Sandra schedule hospitality based on the
what she thought she could achieve with the number of volunteers she
believed she could get. The hours she scheduled were not out-of-line
compared to previous CC’s.

As it is, she lost a few volunteers shortly before the con. The
remaining staff reworked their schedules around this as best as they
could. She also lost some of her planned shopping time, but that did not
impact her major shopping trips.

The ConSuite schedule was also updated for Sunday and Monday nights and
the ConSuite staff shuffled their own schedules again to allow for later
hours.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1743 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Hospitality

okey dokey.

Let’s reconstruct this, then.

From my original response:

>> Given the size of the con, it’s perfectly understandable that the
>> committee
>> shouldn’t have felt an obligation to feed the entire con. Yet, the choice
>> of snacks seemed .underwhelming. There were no regional or signature
>> specialties – we would have thought there’d be more of an effort there,
>> given the rich local cultural background.
>
> The snack selection in the ConSuite was rather pedestrian.
>
> Sandra lost nearly two shopping days earlier in the week because she had
> to run home to San Diego (8 hours each way) for a job interview. Not
> going to begrudge her that.

So yes, I’m responding that the snacks weren’t exciting and one of the
reasons the snacks weren’t exciting.

Now your response.

>> Andy Wrote: Sandra lost nearly two shopping days earlier in the week because she had
>> to run home to San Diego (8 hours each way) for a job interview. Not
>> going to begrudge her that.
>
> ************ ***No, but as hosts of the best con suite parties i’ve ever been to ( yup, big kuddos there) how could your person not have a plan, or if her life went wacky, how did the conchair(s) not ever look at the schedule and see that YOU GUYS always wanted it open late, why wouldn’t everyone else.

If your response isn’t related to the question of snacks and shopping I
was answering, I think I already addressed that in my original comments
to Bruce & Nora.

Basic ConSuite hours was an oversight on our part. We should have closed
ConSuite during the shows, and reopened afterwards with a later
close-time on Saturday and Sunday. First thing I said about the closing
time when I responded earlier tonight.

However, with one glaring exception (who really needed it), we were
trying not to micromanage our volunteers.

One of those things was letting Sandra schedule hospitality based on the
what she thought she could achieve with the number of volunteers she
believed she could get. The hours she scheduled were not out-of-line
compared to previous CC’s.

As it is, she lost a few volunteers shortly before the con. The
remaining staff reworked their schedules around this as best as they
could. She also lost some of her planned shopping time, but that did not
impact her major shopping trips.

The ConSuite schedule was also updated for Sunday and Monday nights and
the ConSuite staff shuffled their own schedules again to allow for later
hours.

andy

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Group: runacc Message: 1744 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Hospitality
All right, then.

So here are the constructive things I’ve heard so far from the con
suite discussion, which can really be applied throughout the process:

* Make sure you have enough staff to cover the all bases and that
they’re clear on expectations and standards (because we have them and
when they’re not met we notice and are unhappy).

* We need to specify to our con suite managers that the con suite must
be available after the masquerade for at least several hours afterward
(till 2am at least or even 3am if feasible). [I’d love to include a
provision for showing the masquerade event(s) du juor, but that’s my
own personal preference and I’m just a con attendee….]

* We need to take more time to educate volunteers coming in from
outside the community so that they know what to expect when they’re at
CC. [Costume-Con University? Send Your Volunteers to School!]

Did I miss anything?

I can say, fairly safely, that the vast majority of communication
errors and problems over the last 8 years or so, give or take a con,
have had to do with understaffing and a lack of communication between
departments. The communication thing is especially important if you’re
bringing in folks from the local non-Costume-Con conventions to assist
with your con. Watch out for that friendly volunteer who only knows
how FooCon works and insists on doing things that way. Every time it
happens, the complaints are loud and extensive.

I’m getting punchy and the girls will be up too early today. Carry on!

-b

 

Group: runacc Message: 1745 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: Not Bruce (was RE: [runacc] CC26 – Hospitality)

Please read the signature on postings, Andy.
These have all been posted by Bruce, not me. Not that I disagree with most
of what he says but be careful, we share an email addy for this list. Karen
& Ricky have in the past as well.
I wouldn’t presume that your opinions were Kevin’s simply because you’re a
couple.

Nora

> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Andrew Trembley
> If your response isn’t related to the question of snacks and shopping I
> was answering, I think I already addressed that in my original comments
> to Bruce & Nora.

 

Group: runacc Message: 1746 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: Video in the room (was RE: [runacc] CC26 – Hospitality)

Good summary.
Your point about the video though – I love seeing the video after too. As
you say, if you’re in it you don’t get to see anything.
But it does tend to suck the life out of the room. Not because of the video
itself but because of the people who insist on shushing everyone so they can
hear it. If people are allowed to be rowdy & talk (thus not quelling the
party atmosphere) it’s okay.
Some cons have tried separating the video to another room but if it’s too
far away it feels odd.

Nora

> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Betsy Delaney
>[I’d love to include a
> provision for showing the masquerade event(s) du juor, but that’s my
> own personal preference and I’m just a con attendee….]

 

Group: runacc Message: 1747 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: Re: Video in the room (was RE: [runacc] CC26 – Hospitality)

Agreed. That’s why I like the dual or multi-room layout for con
suites. Though, based on the way the CC27 layout looks, we may not
have a problem, future CCs might take note.

The biggest problem with setting up two rooms, by the way, is that
very often the video winds up in the bedroom and if the con suite
folks aren’t prepared to deal, they can get *very* grouchy when the
video party wants to last until 2 or later when they want to go to
sleep in beds covered with 20 costumers (or more) of varying states of
sobriety.

I know it’s not everyone who wants to participate in video-watching,
and it’s a lot easier to dodge in and out when the rooms are nearby if
you only want to see your presentation and a few others, but there
ought to be some sort of happy medium.

(Ooh. Did that make sense?)

Cheers,

-b

On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 7:43 AM, Bruce & Nora Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Good summary.
> Your point about the video though – I love seeing the video after too. As
> you say, if you’re in it you don’t get to see anything.
> But it does tend to suck the life out of the room. Not because of the video
> itself but because of the people who insist on shushing everyone so they can
> hear it. If people are allowed to be rowdy & talk (thus not quelling the
> party atmosphere) it’s okay.
> Some cons have tried separating the video to another room but if it’s too
> far away it feels odd.
>
> Nora
>
>> —–Original Message—–
>> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
>> Betsy Delaney
>>[I’d love to include a
>> provision for showing the masquerade event(s) du juor, but that’s my
>> own personal preference and I’m just a con attendee….]
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1748 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: Re: Not Bruce (was RE: [runacc] CC26 – Hospitality)

Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> Please read the signature on postings, Andy.
> These have all been posted by Bruce, not me. Not that I disagree with most
> of what he says but be careful, we share an email addy for this list. Karen
> & Ricky have in the past as well.

Sorry, I was using “Bruce & Nora” as shorthand for “representing the
SLCG” here. I was under the impression that the report pieces were the
collected opinions of the SLCG.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1749 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: Re: Not Bruce (was RE: [runacc] CC26 – Hospitality)

Yeah, some of it is but that still doesn’t guarantee the collective “we” – often doesn’t.
This is one of the few lists I’m on where I’m not signed up with my von_drago addy, maybe I should ask Betsy to invite me but I don’t really have much to say most times.

Nora

Andrew Trembley <attrembl@bovil.com> wrote:
Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> Please read the signature on postings, Andy.
> These have all been posted by Bruce, not me. Not that I disagree with most
> of what he says but be careful, we share an email addy for this list. Karen
> & Ricky have in the past as well.

Sorry, I was using “Bruce & Nora” as shorthand for “representing the
SLCG” here. I was under the impression that the report pieces were the
collected opinions of the SLCG.

andy

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Group: runacc Message: 1750 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: Re: Not Bruce (was RE: [runacc] CC26 – Hospitality)

I’m happy to do that, Nora! Just shoot me a message from that address
– I’ve got a splitting headache and I’m about to walk away from my
computer…

Cheers,

-b

On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Bruce & Nora Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> Yeah, some of it is but that still doesn’t guarantee the collective “we” – often doesn’t.
> This is one of the few lists I’m on where I’m not signed up with my von_drago addy, maybe I should ask Betsy to invite me but I don’t really have much to say most times.
>
> Nora

 

 

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Group: runacc Message: 1651 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 4/30/2008
Subject: Costume-Con 26 and Flickr: Spread the word!
Group: runacc Message: 1652 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/1/2008
Subject: E-communities and CC27
Group: runacc Message: 1653 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-con 26 Convention Ch Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: CC26 site is down temporarily
Group: runacc Message: 1654 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: CC26 Diaries
Group: runacc Message: 1655 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 Diaries
Group: runacc Message: 1656 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-con 26 Convention Ch Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: CC26.info is back on the air
Group: runacc Message: 1657 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 5/5/2008
Subject: Google Alerts
Group: runacc Message: 1658 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/5/2008
Subject: Video Masq question…
Group: runacc Message: 1659 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 5/6/2008
Subject: Historical masquerade entry list is now up on cc26.info
Group: runacc Message: 1660 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: Convention stats?
Group: runacc Message: 1661 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: Re: Convention stats?
Group: runacc Message: 1662 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: Re: Convention stats?
Group: runacc Message: 1663 From: Trudy Leonard Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Re: Convention stats?
Group: runacc Message: 1664 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Runacc version of the SLCG CC26 review is coming
Group: runacc Message: 1665 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/30/2008
Subject: CC26 – Prior to the con
Group: runacc Message: 1666 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 5/30/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Prior to the con
Group: runacc Message: 1667 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/31/2008
Subject: CC26 – Progress Reports
Group: runacc Message: 1668 From: Bruno Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Progress Reports
Group: runacc Message: 1669 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: CC26 – The Hotel
Group: runacc Message: 1670 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Prior to the con
Group: runacc Message: 1671 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – The Hotel
Group: runacc Message: 1672 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Prior to the con
Group: runacc Message: 1673 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – The Hotel
Group: runacc Message: 1674 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – The Hotel
Group: runacc Message: 1675 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – The Hotel
Group: runacc Message: 1676 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – The Hotel
Group: runacc Message: 1677 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – The Hotel
Group: runacc Message: 1678 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: CC-27’s Hotel
Group: runacc Message: 1679 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: CC-27’s Hotel
Group: runacc Message: 1680 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – The Hotel
Group: runacc Message: 1681 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: CC-27’s Hotel
Group: runacc Message: 1682 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Progress Reports – Bruno
Group: runacc Message: 1683 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: CC26 – The Offsite Activities
Group: runacc Message: 1684 From: Bruno Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – The Hotel
Group: runacc Message: 1685 From: Bruno Date: 6/2/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – The Hotel
Group: runacc Message: 1686 From: tinathebookworm Date: 6/2/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – The Hotel
Group: runacc Message: 1687 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/2/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – The Offsite Activities
Group: runacc Message: 1688 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/2/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Progress Reports
Group: runacc Message: 1689 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/2/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – The Hotel
Group: runacc Message: 1690 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 6/2/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – The Hotel — The menu/restaurant service
Group: runacc Message: 1691 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/3/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – The Hotel
Group: runacc Message: 1692 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/3/2008
Subject: CC26 – Registration
Group: runacc Message: 1693 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 6/3/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Registration
Group: runacc Message: 1694 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 6/3/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Registration
Group: runacc Message: 1695 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/3/2008
Subject: CC26 – Membership “packets”
Group: runacc Message: 1696 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/3/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Registration
Group: runacc Message: 1697 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 6/3/2008
Subject: The tipping article (was Re: [runacc] CC26 – Membership “packets”
Group: runacc Message: 1698 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/3/2008
Subject: CC26 – Dealers Room
Group: runacc Message: 1699 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-con 26 Convention Ch Date: 6/3/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Dealers Room
Group: runacc Message: 1700 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/3/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Dealers Room

 


 

Group: runacc Message: 1651 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 4/30/2008
Subject: Costume-Con 26 and Flickr: Spread the word!
The photo workflow office is back in Orange County, and is still
working like mad to process the over 20,000 pictures that volunteers
shot and turned in. It’s going to take a few days for these to get
uploaded.

But don’t wait! There’s hope!

If you’re a Flickr member, and you shot photos at Costume-Con 26,
please consider adding your convention sets to the Costume-Con 26
group photo pool. We’ve already got two members who have added their
sets, but we would love to see more.

<http://www.flickr.com/groups/cc26/>

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1652 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/1/2008
Subject: E-communities and CC27
There’s a lot of blog buzz coming back about CC26. A majority of posts
say “We had so much fun we’ve got to go back next year.”

You need to recruit a geek to get your online (LJ, email, etc…)
communities up and running, and catch these people into your
communities now and keep their interest up.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1653 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-con 26 Convention Ch Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: CC26 site is down temporarily
If you haven’t heard from other sources, cc26.info is inaccessible at
the moment.

Dreamhost (where we will be hosting our photos) gave us bad instructions
on how to set up the subdomain which broke our site. (All the files are
there, but the Internet DNS doesn’t know where we are).

We backed out the changes, but it is taking a very long time to reappear.

Kevin

 

Group: runacc Message: 1654 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: CC26 Diaries
CC26: The Lost Diaries is up at

<http://bovil.livejournal.com/tag/conventions>

So here’s the caveats:

This is what I saw directly. This is the “public” version. This is the
“I don’t throw anybody under the train no matter how much they might
deserve it” version. This is the “I don’t slag attendees who created
problems for themselves and others” version.

The not-for-public-consumption version will be posted here at a later
date. It will include complaints that were relayed to me. It will
include stupid committee-member tricks. It will include stupid member
tricks.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1655 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 Diaries

In a message dated 5/4/2008 1:14:39 PM Central Daylight Time,
attrembl@bovil.com writes:

> The not-for-public-consumption version will be posted here at a later
> date. It will include complaints that were relayed to me.

Can I start with “Who dresses you? Pul-eeze!” ;P

It will > include stupid committee-member tricks. It will include stupid

> member
> tricks.

Seriously, thanks for your help to me personally, especially Thursday!

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1656 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-con 26 Convention Ch Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: CC26.info is back on the air
PAIR support was able to fix the name server problem, and our site is
live again.

Now I can get started on posting those results. Tomorrow lunchtime at
the latest.

In addition, the special site for the Costume-Con 26 Media Repository
(pix.cc26.info) is properly linked in, so as Chaz and the rest of the
Photography department bring the images online you’ll be able to get to
them from our main website.

Formal announcement about that coming soon. I promised to get the
masquerade results posted for you all, we are still trying to unearth
the house, and I had to promise Andy that I would actually start getting
some sleep.

Kevin

 

Group: runacc Message: 1657 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 5/5/2008
Subject: Google Alerts
If you want to know what’s being said (at least in public) about
Costume-Con (and your Costume-Con) set up a google alert.
<http://www.google.com/alerts/manage>

You will need a google or gmail ID to create an alert.

I set up alerts for “Costume-Con” (it will match variants without the
hyphen too) and “CC26” (which, unfortunately also finds items with
catalog numbers that match CC26).

Once a day, I get an email with new items on the web that include those
terms, including new public blog entries, web forum entries and updates
to public email list archives. It doesn’t catch everything, but it finds
a lot.

I generally only read the blog entries that popped up, but in a few
cases “I’m looking for some information…” or most recently “I hope the
Warg was OK!” I responded with information the poster was explicitly
asking for.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1658 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/5/2008
Subject: Video Masq question…
Does anybody know if CC27 is going to run a video masquerade? What are
the deadlines?

I want to have an idea of when I can start promoting CC28’s VM without
stepping on anyone’s toes.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1659 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 5/6/2008
Subject: Historical masquerade entry list is now up on cc26.info
I’m working my way through the lists. 🙂

The complete list of Historical Masquerade entries at Costume-Con 26 is
now posted on both the events page and the Historical Masquerade page
(the same place the awards were posted yesterday).

In addition, one award left off the list inadvertently has been restored.

Kevin

 

Group: runacc Message: 1660 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: Convention stats?
I’ll ask it here, just in case?

Anybody know the attendance figures for CCs 21 – 23? Henry? Trudy? Dave?

Bruce

 

Group: runacc Message: 1661 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: Re: Convention stats?

Actually, I’d be interested in knowing the actual attendance and also
the total memberships (including supporting and no-shows) for each of
these cons. There’s generally a difference in the number.

Cheers,

-b

On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 7:16 AM, Bruce & Nora Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> I’ll ask it here, just in case?
>
> Anybody know the attendance figures for CCs 21 – 23? Henry? Trudy? Dave?
>
> Bruce

 

Group: runacc Message: 1662 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: Re: Convention stats?

In a message dated 5/19/2008 6:16:44 AM Central Daylight Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> I’ll ask it here, just in case?
>
> Anybody know the attendance figures for CCs 21 – 23? Henry? Trudy? Dave?
>
>
>
>
>

I responded to your request on the D list. Do you want to know it here, also?

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1663 From: Trudy Leonard Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Re: Convention stats?
Sorry – haven’t had time to read my mail. I believe that we ended up with about 250 in attendence. We had some folks who couldn’t come, but we were able to help them find buyers for their memberships.

Trudy

To: runacc@yahoogroups.comFrom: casamai@sbcglobal.netDate: Mon, 19 May 2008 06:16:07 -0500Subject: [runacc] Convention stats?

I’ll ask it here, just in case?Anybody know the attendance figures for CCs 21 – 23? Henry? Trudy? Dave?Bruce

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Group: runacc Message: 1664 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Runacc version of the SLCG CC26 review is coming
Finally got this done. This version has been tailored to the Runacc folks –
the D list will be differently organized, condensed a bit and will leave
out some things the casual reader won’t care about.

First of all, I will preface this by saying that this is not just my
opinion, but it reflects the opinions/observations from as many as a dozen
SLCG members who attended the con, plus a few random comments from other
people that were overheard. We tried to be as accurate as possible while
also expressing opinions. I should also mention that the age and
backgrounds of our folks were very diverse this time, yet there was a lot of
agreement on what went right and wrong. Because of the number of people who
contributed to the info for this report, this review is also the most
thorough we’ve done to date.

Every attempt has been made to report accurately, unless I specifically
mention something is a perception or my own personal opinion. I welcome any
corrections: they will be appended to the D list version. (BTW, it’s very
odd that there’s been none of the usual chatter about the con on the D list,
so hopefully, this’ll spark some conversation.)

Because of its extensiveness, I’ll break it down into sections, rather than
one letter. It’ll take some time – I’m still compiling quotes from some
people when I ran the rough draft past our members the first time.

Bruce

 

Group: runacc Message: 1665 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/30/2008
Subject: CC26 – Prior to the con
Generally speaking, almost all the contact people listed got good marks for
prompt responses to questions. There was one question posed to whoever was
in charge of the Mad Science Fair that went unanswered, which means they
missed an opportunity to have one more exhibit for their display. While the
online registration module seemed to work pretty well, the registration
requirement meant having to remember (and write down somewhere) another
account name and password. For the inattentive person (and let’s face it,
there are a lot of us out there), that probably meant having to have the
password reset. That having been said, one of our members posted,
“Registering for the SF&F masq on-line worked well enough for me. Of course,
I had purchased my membership a year ago and didn’t have a clue what my user
name or password were. A request to have that info sent to the e-mail
address they showed in their records had me up and going quickly. Points for
promptness there. I registered for the masq after the on-line deadline, but
they still managed to get my registration anyway. Nice flexibility on that
point.

One of our people had no success seeing the stage layout on the website. To
quote “The website for CC26 also purported to have a 3D representation of
the stage. I was never able to successfully open it. I didn’t have the
proper software on my computer and was at a loss when Windows asked me what
software to use. I tried several with no success. How do you block your masq
entry if you can’t even find out the stage dimensions?”

General communications: I know how annoying it can be when people keep
asking for the same information repeatedly, but there were also times on the
D list or where, rather than giving details of news, the committee response
was “Go to the website”. This was not the case for the Con Chair, however:
responses were generally very quick and accurate.

Site map navigation was not very comprehensive – the categories were too
general. It would have been more helpful to devote an actual page to each
event, rather than lumping them under “Events”. Site visitors are lazy. I
seem to recall that good website design rules state you should not have to
make the visitor have to click multiple links to find out what they want.
It took two jumps to get to a particular event..

There was no actual hotel info page. There probably should have been more
info like in the early PRs , rather just a link. If they want even more
detail, then they can follow the link.

The Yahoo Chat list was a good idea. It got questions answered in a timely
manner. It was good that the various department heads mostly kept good
communication on it. The list also proved useful for its members to arrange
a trip to the Winchester House on Thursday for those who couldn’t go on the
Monday tour.

Thumbs up for updating the site after the con so that people can see the
masquerade running lists and awards. Even we (CC25) didn’t do that.
(Perhaps we should, particularly in light of the Costume-Connections site
being behind on getting updated).

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Group: runacc Message: 1666 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 5/30/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Prior to the con

On May 30, 2008, at 4:12 PM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> One of our people had no success seeing the stage layout on the
> website. To
> quote “The website for CC26 also purported to have a 3D representation of
> the stage. I was never able to successfully open it. I didn’t have the
> proper software on my computer and was at a loss when Windows asked me
> what
> software to use. I tried several with no success. How do you block
> your masq
> entry if you can’t even find out the stage dimensions?”

Masquerade stage dimensions were published in plan (overhead) view in
PR3, mailed and posted on the website in mid-January. This ensured that
regardless of computer ownership and net access, everyone who was
pre-registered before our last mailing deadline before the con (I think
2 weeks out) received a copy of the stage dimensions.

3D renderings of the stage were published on February 11. The section of
the website that provided the 3D stage explains that the 3D models were
created using Google Sketchup and had a link to where to download Google
Sketchup. It’s still there, unchanged, if you would like to take a look
(just go to the F&SF or Historical masq pages and search for “February
11” because it’s buried under the results now).

Entrants who reported difficulties getting stage dimensions to the MDs
were either assisted with downloading and installing Sketchup or were
referred to the online copy of PR3.

> Site map navigation was not very comprehensive – the categories were too
> general. It would have been more helpful to devote an actual page to each
> event, rather than lumping them under “Events”. Site visitors are
> lazy. I
> seem to recall that good website design rules state you should not have to
> make the visitor have to click multiple links to find out what they want.
> It took two jumps to get to a particular event.

Site architecture and structure was based upon “Information Architecture
for the World Wide Web” by Morville and Rosenfeld ISBN 10:
0-596-52734-9. It’s a non-technical guide to organizing large sites with
lots of information, written by a pair of librarians.

The different menu sub-sections were extensive enough that providing all
section submenus on every page would have resulted in several pages of
scrolling. Two clicks is less cumbersome than heavy scrolling according
to the usability researchers I read.

The choice was made to not use dhtml, flash or other browser-specific
dynamic technologies that would have allowed float-over to a sub-click.
Ensuring that everything worked in the first place in every browser was
difficult enough. It’s also very difficult to develop a website that
uses these dynamic technologies that degrades well for browsers that
don’t support them.

The site map did provide a link to every page, but it demonstrates how
long the menus would have been.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1667 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/31/2008
Subject: CC26 – Progress Reports
Only 3 comments:

I have a personal pet peeve: the PDF files for the PRs were a major pain.
Not everyone can open them – not everyone has the latest version of the
reader. Everyone loves PDFs, but they’re a lot of trouble to look at.
Opening them was often hit or miss; every time we closed them we got a
Windows error that made the computer freeze and close the window. Hate
them. HATE THEM.

The article on tipping in PR #4 was unnecessary and vaguely insulting to
some. I know I don’t want to be “advised” as to how to tip. (As a side
note, I was rather surprised by the number of people who said they tipped
the maids.)

There should have been a map to the hotel printed in the last PR, rather
than rely on a map link.

Did I mention that I HATED the PR PDFs?

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Group: runacc Message: 1668 From: Bruno Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Progress Reports

You only need latest version of Acrobat Reader to view PDFs if the PDF
was optimized to use that version. It is possible to create a PDF
that can be viewed in older versions, but it creates a slightly larger
file.

If a number of people had trouble opening the PDFs, then I would
venture a guess that they were not created using Adobe Acrobat, but
some other software which can create PDFs. I have had difficulty in
the past with PDFs created by third party software. I have also seen
PDFs corrupted for no apparent reason, that could not be opened.

That being said, PDF is still a great way to transmit documents that a
wide variety of people need to view without being able to edit.
Acrobat Reader is easy to get and install.

What would you suggest as an alternative to PDFs?

Bruno

Quoting Bruce & Nora Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>:

> Only 3 comments:
>
> I have a personal pet peeve: the PDF files for the PRs were a major pain.
> Not everyone can open them – not everyone has the latest version of the
> reader. Everyone loves PDFs, but they’re a lot of trouble to look at.
> Opening them was often hit or miss; every time we closed them we got a
> Windows error that made the computer freeze and close the window. Hate
> them. HATE THEM.
>
> The article on tipping in PR #4 was unnecessary and vaguely insulting to
> some. I know I don’t want to be “advised” as to how to tip. (As a side
> note, I was rather surprised by the number of people who said they tipped
> the maids.)
>
> There should have been a map to the hotel printed in the last PR, rather
> than rely on a map link.
>
> Did I mention that I HATED the PR PDFs?

 

Group: runacc Message: 1669 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: CC26 – The Hotel
Hotel

This was probably the best con hotel I, personally, have been in. For me,
it seriously rocked. (On the other hand, apparently a number of people said
it was pretty standard – they’ve been to more hotels than Nora and I’ve
been, I guess.) It was located in a business park, which is what we’ve
been advocating for years.

Things we liked about the Doubletree: Loved the warm cookies they gave you
when you arrived, the staff was friendly and helpful and the meeting rooms
were very spacious. LOVED the outdoor pool and hot tub. San Jose makes a
pretty backdrop, and it felt like a real vacation with the California-style
music playing in the background. We also liked the “overland” outside route
on the second floor from the elevators to the other side of the hotel.

There were a few people who had some problems with either the rooms
themselves (plumbing, doors, etc.), but I don’t think one can entirely avoid
that happening. The real key is how quickly the staff resolves them.

Speaking of not being able to avoid them, the hotel restaurant(s) got mixed
reviews. A number of us liked the café’s open architecture, where people
could see and be seen. The quality of the food, however, seemed to vary
according to who you talked to and when they were eating there. For Nora
and me, our two or three experiences were okay – the food tasted pretty good
and the portions were pretty decent. Another person’s experience at the
hotel restaurants was “uniformly awful”. They said the steakhouse signature
plate was substandard. And more than one person commented on the limited
fare at the café, prompting one reviewer to remark, “Given the lack of
off-site eateries this lead to some very boring meals. Deja food. “Didn’t
I just eat this?”

Unfortunately, this is one of the major drawbacks to locating your hotel in
an office park. The best compromise seems to be to find a hotel near or in
a suburban area where there are restaurant alternatives. The main trick is
whether those alternatives are open on Sunday. We were lucky that we didn’t
get (m)any complaints for our rather secluded location at CC16.

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Group: runacc Message: 1670 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Prior to the con

I could never find the info I needed on the CC26 web site unless I went to the site map. But the info was always available once I found out its location.

And I am definitely one of the Luddites that could never remember my personal log-in information to get into the “members only” sections of the site.

–Karen

—– Original Message —–
From: Bruce & Nora Mai
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 7:12 PM
Subject: [runacc] CC26 – Prior to the con

Generally speaking, almost all the contact people listed got good marks for
prompt responses to questions. There was one question posed to whoever was
in charge of the Mad Science Fair that went unanswered, which means they
missed an opportunity to have one more exhibit for their display. While the
online registration module seemed to work pretty well, the registration
requirement meant having to remember (and write down somewhere) another
account name and password. For the inattentive person (and let’s face it,
there are a lot of us out there), that probably meant having to have the
password reset. That having been said, one of our members posted,
“Registering for the SF&F masq on-line worked well enough for me. Of course,
I had purchased my membership a year ago and didn’t have a clue what my user
name or password were. A request to have that info sent to the e-mail
address they showed in their records had me up and going quickly. Points for
promptness there. I registered for the masq after the on-line deadline, but
they still managed to get my registration anyway. Nice flexibility on that
point.

One of our people had no success seeing the stage layout on the website. To
quote “The website for CC26 also purported to have a 3D representation of
the stage. I was never able to successfully open it. I didn’t have the
proper software on my computer and was at a loss when Windows asked me what
software to use. I tried several with no success. How do you block your masq
entry if you can’t even find out the stage dimensions?”

General communications: I know how annoying it can be when people keep
asking for the same information repeatedly, but there were also times on the
D list or where, rather than giving details of news, the committee response
was “Go to the website”. This was not the case for the Con Chair, however:
responses were generally very quick and accurate.

Site map navigation was not very comprehensive – the categories were too
general. It would have been more helpful to devote an actual page to each
event, rather than lumping them under “Events”. Site visitors are lazy. I
seem to recall that good website design rules state you should not have to
make the visitor have to click multiple links to find out what they want.
It took two jumps to get to a particular event..

There was no actual hotel info page. There probably should have been more
info like in the early PRs , rather just a link. If they want even more
detail, then they can follow the link.

The Yahoo Chat list was a good idea. It got questions answered in a timely
manner. It was good that the various department heads mostly kept good
communication on it. The list also proved useful for its members to arrange
a trip to the Winchester House on Thursday for those who couldn’t go on the
Monday tour.

Thumbs up for updating the site after the con so that people can see the
masquerade running lists and awards. Even we (CC25) didn’t do that.
(Perhaps we should, particularly in light of the Costume-Connections site
being behind on getting updated).

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Group: runacc Message: 1671 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – The Hotel

We just visited next year’s hotel, and are very excited. They’ve done a HUGE remodel, and the space looks great! There are food and other amenities close by, too.

I am in the process of looking for a hotel for CC30 that is near the airport and food (and possibly near other amenities, like a fabric store or a Wal-Mart).

CC26’s Doubletree hotel is an old, familiar friend. Have been going to cons there since the first Baycon in 1982. I’ve always liked its layout, and the CC26 committee obviously made a good choice there.

Did any of the CC26 PR’s mention that there was going to be a charge for parking? Several local attendees complained that they were blindsided by the unexpected additional expense, especially if they were commuting to the con vs. staying at the hotel.

(Future con-runners–attendees want to know if there are additional expenses they neeed to budget for, like airport shuttles and parking.)

Re the CC25 hotel–it wasn’t *that* isolated. We ate a couple of times at the Steakn’n’Shake next door.

–Karen

—– Original Message —–
From: Bruce & Nora Mai
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 8:27 AM
Subject: [runacc] CC26 – The Hotel

Hotel

This was probably the best con hotel I, personally, have been in. For me,
it seriously rocked. (On the other hand, apparently a number of people said
it was pretty standard – they’ve been to more hotels than Nora and I’ve
been, I guess.) It was located in a business park, which is what we’ve
been advocating for years.

Things we liked about the Doubletree: Loved the warm cookies they gave you
when you arrived, the staff was friendly and helpful and the meeting rooms
were very spacious. LOVED the outdoor pool and hot tub. San Jose makes a
pretty backdrop, and it felt like a real vacation with the California-style
music playing in the background. We also liked the “overland” outside route
on the second floor from the elevators to the other side of the hotel.

There were a few people who had some problems with either the rooms
themselves (plumbing, doors, etc.), but I don’t think one can entirely avoid
that happening. The real key is how quickly the staff resolves them.

Speaking of not being able to avoid them, the hotel restaurant(s) got mixed
reviews. A number of us liked the café’s open architecture, where people
could see and be seen. The quality of the food, however, seemed to vary
according to who you talked to and when they were eating there. For Nora
and me, our two or three experiences were okay – the food tasted pretty good
and the portions were pretty decent. Another person’s experience at the
hotel restaurants was “uniformly awful”. They said the steakhouse signature
plate was substandard. And more than one person commented on the limited
fare at the café, prompting one reviewer to remark, “Given the lack of
off-site eateries this lead to some very boring meals. Deja food. “Didn’t
I just eat this?”

Unfortunately, this is one of the major drawbacks to locating your hotel in
an office park. The best compromise seems to be to find a hotel near or in
a suburban area where there are restaurant alternatives. The main trick is
whether those alternatives are open on Sunday. We were lucky that we didn’t
get (m)any complaints for our rather secluded location at CC16.

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Group: runacc Message: 1672 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Prior to the con

I have a fairley spiffy new machine, so I can do all the graphics and some TV editing for our show.
the pdf’s crashed my stuff as well.

While I’m not sure it was actually stated in print, the attitude given off in the years pre-con was that this would be the first fully functional perfect IT costume-con.

it was very far from that.

and the article on tipping was at first I thought, a joke, then I realized it was just rude.

Gravely MacCabre
http://www.castleblood.com
http://www.midnightmonsterhop.com
http://www.myspace.com/thecastleblood
http://www.myspace.com/midnightmonsterhop
clip samples at
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—– Original Message —-
From: Ricky & Karen Dick <castleb@atlanticbb.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 1, 2008 11:48:37 AM
Subject: Re: [runacc] CC26 – Prior to the con

I could never find the info I needed on the CC26 web site unless I went to the site map. But the info was always available once I found out its location.

And I am definitely one of the Luddites that could never remember my personal log-in information to get into the “members only” sections of the site.

–Karen

—– Original Message —–
From: Bruce & Nora Mai
To: runacc@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 7:12 PM
Subject: [runacc] CC26 – Prior to the con

Generally speaking, almost all the contact people listed got good marks for
prompt responses to questions. There was one question posed to whoever was
in charge of the Mad Science Fair that went unanswered, which means they
missed an opportunity to have one more exhibit for their display. While the
online registration module seemed to work pretty well, the registration
requirement meant having to remember (and write down somewhere) another
account name and password. For the inattentive person (and let’s face it,
there are a lot of us out there), that probably meant having to have the
password reset. That having been said, one of our members posted,
“Registering for the SF&F masq on-line worked well enough for me. Of course,
I had purchased my membership a year ago and didn’t have a clue what my user
name or password were. A request to have that info sent to the e-mail
address they showed in their records had me up and going quickly. Points for
promptness there. I registered for the masq after the on-line deadline, but
they still managed to get my registration anyway. Nice flexibility on that
point.

One of our people had no success seeing the stage layout on the website. To
quote “The website for CC26 also purported to have a 3D representation of
the stage. I was never able to successfully open it. I didn’t have the
proper software on my computer and was at a loss when Windows asked me what
software to use. I tried several with no success. How do you block your masq
entry if you can’t even find out the stage dimensions?”

General communications: I know how annoying it can be when people keep
asking for the same information repeatedly, but there were also times on the
D list or where, rather than giving details of news, the committee response
was “Go to the website”. This was not the case for the Con Chair, however:
responses were generally very quick and accurate.

Site map navigation was not very comprehensive – the categories were too
general. It would have been more helpful to devote an actual page to each
event, rather than lumping them under “Events”. Site visitors are lazy. I
seem to recall that good website design rules state you should not have to
make the visitor have to click multiple links to find out what they want.
It took two jumps to get to a particular event..

There was no actual hotel info page. There probably should have been more
info like in the early PRs , rather just a link. If they want even more
detail, then they can follow the link.

The Yahoo Chat list was a good idea. It got questions answered in a timely
manner. It was good that the various department heads mostly kept good
communication on it. The list also proved useful for its members to arrange
a trip to the Winchester House on Thursday for those who couldn’t go on the
Monday tour.

Thumbs up for updating the site after the con so that people can see the
masquerade running lists and awards. Even we (CC25) didn’t do that.
(Perhaps we should, particularly in light of the Costume-Connections site
being behind on getting updated).

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Group: runacc Message: 1673 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – The Hotel

If the con had actually been as full as 75Kworth of parties for 6 years would seem to warrant, then it would have pulled in 11-12 hundred folks and this hotel would have been a blessing.
as is it seemed too big and spread out.
but that is not really a problem, most of us could use a few extra steps in our count each day.

although I wonder if the main stage room would have held a con that big. so that’s an interesting question.
Hotels big enough to hold the worlds biggest CC( even tho it didn’t) but the ballrooms would have been too small.

weird to try and budget for when looking at hotels.

rooms were good, overall staff was good, and having the ups place in the hotel was great for us. They were waaaay more expensive than what I paid to have fed ex ship stuff out, but that’s life and certainley not the con coms fault. it was worth it in lack of hassle.

food. well overall I give it a C-. the food in the resturants was not the worst priced we’ve come across, but there were no easy alternatives for people. not even the quickie hotdog/hamburger/6 buck sandwich stands type things that we are used to at cons in the east if they are isolated business park things.

but the service for us was fairley horrible.
waited 2 hours for a burger sunday afternoon

Gravely MacCabre
http://www.castleblood.com
http://www.midnightmonsterhop.com
http://www.myspace.com/thecastleblood
http://www.myspace.com/midnightmonsterhop
clip samples at
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—– Original Message —-
From: Ricky & Karen Dick <castleb@atlanticbb.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 1, 2008 11:57:45 AM
Subject: Re: [runacc] CC26 – The Hotel

We just visited next year’s hotel, and are very excited. They’ve done a HUGE remodel, and the space looks great! There are food and other amenities close by, too.

I am in the process of looking for a hotel for CC30 that is near the airport and food (and possibly near other amenities, like a fabric store or a Wal-Mart).

CC26’s Doubletree hotel is an old, familiar friend. Have been going to cons there since the first Baycon in 1982. I’ve always liked its layout, and the CC26 committee obviously made a good choice there.

Did any of the CC26 PR’s mention that there was going to be a charge for parking? Several local attendees complained that they were blindsided by the unexpected additional expense, especially if they were commuting to the con vs. staying at the hotel.

(Future con-runners- -attendees want to know if there are additional expenses they neeed to budget for, like airport shuttles and parking.)

Re the CC25 hotel–it wasn’t *that* isolated. We ate a couple of times at the Steakn’n’Shake next door.

–Karen

—– Original Message —–
From: Bruce & Nora Mai
To: runacc@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 8:27 AM
Subject: [runacc] CC26 – The Hotel

Hotel

This was probably the best con hotel I, personally, have been in. For me,
it seriously rocked. (On the other hand, apparently a number of people said
it was pretty standard – they’ve been to more hotels than Nora and I’ve
been, I guess.) It was located in a business park, which is what we’ve
been advocating for years.

Things we liked about the Doubletree: Loved the warm cookies they gave you
when you arrived, the staff was friendly and helpful and the meeting rooms
were very spacious. LOVED the outdoor pool and hot tub. San Jose makes a
pretty backdrop, and it felt like a real vacation with the California-style
music playing in the background. We also liked the “overland” outside route
on the second floor from the elevators to the other side of the hotel.

There were a few people who had some problems with either the rooms
themselves (plumbing, doors, etc.), but I don’t think one can entirely avoid
that happening. The real key is how quickly the staff resolves them.

Speaking of not being able to avoid them, the hotel restaurant(s) got mixed
reviews. A number of us liked the café’s open architecture, where people
could see and be seen. The quality of the food, however, seemed to vary
according to who you talked to and when they were eating there. For Nora
and me, our two or three experiences were okay – the food tasted pretty good
and the portions were pretty decent. Another person’s experience at the
hotel restaurants was “uniformly awful”. They said the steakhouse signature
plate was substandard. And more than one person commented on the limited
fare at the café, prompting one reviewer to remark, “Given the lack of
off-site eateries this lead to some very boring meals. Deja food. “Didn’t
I just eat this?”

Unfortunately, this is one of the major drawbacks to locating your hotel in
an office park. The best compromise seems to be to find a hotel near or in
a suburban area where there are restaurant alternatives. The main trick is
whether those alternatives are open on Sunday. We were lucky that we didn’t
get (m)any complaints for our rather secluded location at CC16.

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Group: runacc Message: 1674 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – The Hotel
My feeling was that after one got the lay of the land, it was easy to
navigate from one end to the other quickly. I found the staff very friendly and
helpful. I thought the slightly larger rooms were nice, especially with windows
that open up.

The usual hotel restaurant was ok, especially after you got used to
“California Sticker Shock,” as I called it. The Sushi place was good.

It would have been nice to know more about the restaurants in the area
easily. I knew that there was a Domino’s in the area that delivered to your room
because I saw the guy coming off the elevator one day.

Re: CC16, that was my first CC, but not my first con. Driving for eats was
normal for me.

Henry Osier
Chief Spy
Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010
www.CC28.org
View the latest Intell: http://agent-milw.livejournal.com/
Questions?: http://community.livejournal.com/costume_con_28/

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Group: runacc Message: 1675 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – The Hotel

In a message dated 6/1/2008 10:58:26 AM Central Daylight Time,
castleb@atlanticbb.net writes:

> (Future con-runners–attendees want to know if there are additional
> expenses they neeed to budget for, like airport shuttles and parking.)
>

Yes, and yes.

> Re the CC25 hotel–it wasn’t *that* isolated. We ate a couple of times at
> the Steakn’n’Shake next door.

CC25 was last years. they said CC16, which was isolated. But that Chinese
place we went to for dinner one night was great!
Henry Osier
Chief Spy
Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010
www.CC28.org
View the latest Intell: http://agent-milw.livejournal.com/
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Group: runacc Message: 1676 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – The Hotel

The sushi place was good, but the one day we decided to eat there, ther servce was ABYSMALLY slow (as in an hour and a half to get our food), and I missed the Pettingers’ Retrospective as a result, which was one of only two things I really wanted to see at the con. 🙁

–Karen

—– Original Message —–
From: osierhenry@cs.com
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] CC26 – The Hotel

My feeling was that after one got the lay of the land, it was easy to
navigate from one end to the other quickly. I found the staff very friendly and
helpful. I thought the slightly larger rooms were nice, especially with windows
that open up.

The usual hotel restaurant was ok, especially after you got used to
“California Sticker Shock,” as I called it. The Sushi place was good.

It would have been nice to know more about the restaurants in the area
easily. I knew that there was a Domino’s in the area that delivered to your room
because I saw the guy coming off the elevator one day.

Re: CC16, that was my first CC, but not my first con. Driving for eats was
normal for me.

Henry Osier
Chief Spy
Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010
www.CC28.org
View the latest Intell: http://agent-milw.livejournal.com/
Questions?: http://community.livejournal.com/costume_con_28/

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Group: runacc Message: 1677 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – The Hotel

Re CC16 vs. CC25. Sorry. Must’ve misread it. We planned on going to CC16, and then had to bail at the last minute. CC16 became the first of a string of 5 CC’s in a row we missed. 🙁

–Karen

—– Original Message —–
From: osierhenry@cs.com
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] CC26 – The Hotel

In a message dated 6/1/2008 10:58:26 AM Central Daylight Time,
castleb@atlanticbb.net writes:
> (Future con-runners–attendees want to know if there are additional
> expenses they neeed to budget for, like airport shuttles and parking.)
>

Yes, and yes.

> Re the CC25 hotel–it wasn’t *that* isolated. We ate a couple of times at
> the Steakn’n’Shake next door.

CC25 was last years. they said CC16, which was isolated. But that Chinese
place we went to for dinner one night was great!
Henry Osier
Chief Spy
Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010
www.CC28.org
View the latest Intell: http://agent-milw.livejournal.com/
Questions?: http://community.livejournal.com/costume_con_28/

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Group: runacc Message: 1678 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: CC-27’s Hotel
Just to make sure everyone knows: Our hotel has FREE PARKING!. and FREE
Wireless Internet access in the sleeping rooms and the lobby. Also
there are at least a dozen restaurants (in all price categories) within
3 miles of the hotel, including a very good 24 hour diner slightly over
1/2 mile away. We’ll make sure to put this in the PR’s.

Marty

 

Group: runacc Message: 1679 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: CC-27’s Hotel

In a message dated 6/1/2008 4:41:44 PM Central Daylight Time,
MartinGear@comcast.net writes:

> Also
> there are at least a dozen restaurants (in all price categories) within
> 3 miles of the hotel, including a very good 24 hour diner slightly over
> 1/2 mile away.

Do any deliver?

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1680 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – The Hotel

The CC 25 hotel wasn’t isolated at all, especially if you had a car (as we did). There was good info on availability of food and shopping, too. The absence of a restaurant guide was a weakness for CC 26; while we had a car, we had no knowledge of what was available nearby. As one who strongly disliked both the steakhouse and the café, I certainly would have looked elsewhere for food if a guide had been provided.

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: Ricky & Karen Dick<mailto:castleb@atlanticbb.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: [runacc] CC26 – The Hotel

We just visited next year’s hotel, and are very excited. They’ve done a HUGE remodel, and the space looks great! There are food and other amenities close by, too.

I am in the process of looking for a hotel for CC30 that is near the airport and food (and possibly near other amenities, like a fabric store or a Wal-Mart).

CC26’s Doubletree hotel is an old, familiar friend. Have been going to cons there since the first Baycon in 1982. I’ve always liked its layout, and the CC26 committee obviously made a good choice there.

Did any of the CC26 PR’s mention that there was going to be a charge for parking? Several local attendees complained that they were blindsided by the unexpected additional expense, especially if they were commuting to the con vs. staying at the hotel.

(Future con-runners–attendees want to know if there are additional expenses they neeed to budget for, like airport shuttles and parking.)

Re the CC25 hotel–it wasn’t *that* isolated. We ate a couple of times at the Steakn’n’Shake next door.

–Karen

—– Original Message —–
From: Bruce & Nora Mai
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 8:27 AM
Subject: [runacc] CC26 – The Hotel

Hotel

This was probably the best con hotel I, personally, have been in. For me,
it seriously rocked. (On the other hand, apparently a number of people said
it was pretty standard – they’ve been to more hotels than Nora and I’ve
been, I guess.) It was located in a business park, which is what we’ve
been advocating for years.

Things we liked about the Doubletree: Loved the warm cookies they gave you
when you arrived, the staff was friendly and helpful and the meeting rooms
were very spacious. LOVED the outdoor pool and hot tub. San Jose makes a
pretty backdrop, and it felt like a real vacation with the California-style
music playing in the background. We also liked the “overland” outside route
on the second floor from the elevators to the other side of the hotel.

There were a few people who had some problems with either the rooms
themselves (plumbing, doors, etc.), but I don’t think one can entirely avoid
that happening. The real key is how quickly the staff resolves them.

Speaking of not being able to avoid them, the hotel restaurant(s) got mixed
reviews. A number of us liked the café’s open architecture, where people
could see and be seen. The quality of the food, however, seemed to vary
according to who you talked to and when they were eating there. For Nora
and me, our two or three experiences were okay – the food tasted pretty good
and the portions were pretty decent. Another person’s experience at the
hotel restaurants was “uniformly awful”. They said the steakhouse signature
plate was substandard. And more than one person commented on the limited
fare at the café, prompting one reviewer to remark, “Given the lack of
off-site eateries this lead to some very boring meals. Deja food. “Didn’t
I just eat this?”

Unfortunately, this is one of the major drawbacks to locating your hotel in
an office park. The best compromise seems to be to find a hotel near or in
a suburban area where there are restaurant alternatives. The main trick is
whether those alternatives are open on Sunday. We were lucky that we didn’t
get (m)any complaints for our rather secluded location at CC16.

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Group: runacc Message: 1681 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: CC-27’s Hotel

Yes, some do deliver, and we’ll have a restaurant guide as a part of our
packets.

Marty

osierhenry@cs.com wrote:

>
> In a message dated 6/1/2008 4:41:44 PM Central Daylight Time,
> MartinGear@comcast.net <mailto:MartinGear%40comcast.net> writes:
> > Also
> > there are at least a dozen restaurants (in all price categories) within
> > 3 miles of the hotel, including a very good 24 hour diner slightly over
> > 1/2 mile away.
> Do any deliver?
>
> Henry
>
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>
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Group: runacc Message: 1682 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Progress Reports – Bruno

Yeah, see – that’s the point. In my opinion, one can’t rely on people to
keep up with changes. Everyone has different levels of comfort
ability/competency with technology. As long as they get what they need out
of stuff, they don’t care what needs updating. It’s the old adage, “If it
ain’t broke, don’t fix it”.

Nora raised another good point after I read your letter to her – there are a
lot of people who surf at work and some of them may not have computers
equipped with the latest Adobe reader – or even at all. Also, we have two
computers – one is a Win98, and we can’t upgrade to a higher one.

I didn’t know I needed the update. Maybe we’d have figured it out, but I
don’t think our computer gave us a pop up that said, “Hey, you need to
update”. Anyone with less computer savvy, say, like my parents, would have
just shaken their heads and never have written to the webmaster, con chair,
etc. and asked for help. Granted, they’re a little older than most of our
community yet, but many of our folks know just enough computer stuff to get
by.

As for an alternative, I don’t have one. Paper is still the best way to go,
despite its expense. Unless the con wants to have “exclusive” content only
for the PRs, the same info is going to be available on their website, PDF or
not. Who cares if some people won’t get to see them online?

Bruce

> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Bruno
> Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 11:34 PM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [runacc] CC26 – Progress Reports
>
> You only need latest version of Acrobat Reader to view PDFs if the PDF
> was optimized to use that version. It is possible to create a PDF
> that can be viewed in older versions, but it creates a slightly larger
> file.
>
> If a number of people had trouble opening the PDFs, then I would
> venture a guess that they were not created using Adobe Acrobat, but
> some other software which can create PDFs. I have had difficulty in
> the past with PDFs created by third party software. I have also seen
> PDFs corrupted for no apparent reason, that could not be opened.
>
> That being said, PDF is still a great way to transmit documents that a
> wide variety of people need to view without being able to edit.
> Acrobat Reader is easy to get and install.
>
> What would you suggest as an alternative to PDFs?
>
> Bruno
>
>
> Quoting Bruce & Nora Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>:
>
> > Only 3 comments:
> >
> > I have a personal pet peeve: the PDF files for the PRs were a major

pain.

> > Not everyone can open them – not everyone has the latest version of the
> > reader. Everyone loves PDFs, but they’re a lot of trouble to look at.
> > Opening them was often hit or miss; every time we closed them we got a
> > Windows error that made the computer freeze and close the window. Hate
> > them. HATE THEM.
> >
> > The article on tipping in PR #4 was unnecessary and vaguely insulting to
> > some. I know I don’t want to be “advised” as to how to tip. (As a side
> > note, I was rather surprised by the number of people who said they

tipped

> > the maids.)
> >
> > There should have been a map to the hotel printed in the last PR, rather
> > than rely on a map link.
> >
> > Did I mention that I HATED the PR PDFs?
>
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo!

Groups

> Links
>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1683 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: CC26 – The Offsite Activities
The Offsite Activities

The selection of scheduled offsite activities was pretty good, although if
you wanted any information about that, finding them on the website was
impossible. I double-checked this again just recently – still can’t find
them in a casual search. It was more reliable in the Progress Reports (the
paper ones). However, if you weren’t on the CC26 chat list, you were pretty
much in the dark for any updates.

Reports are most trips were very successful and enjoyed by all, although
apparently there was supposedly a tech/junk shop trip scheduled for Monday
that did not happen because no transportation was arranged ahead of time.

 

Group: runacc Message: 1684 From: Bruno Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – The Hotel

That was my first CC as well 🙂

I carpooled with someone so I had no transportation of my own. I
don’t have a clue what I ate all weekend while confined to the hotel.

Bruno

Quoting osierhenry@cs.com:

>
> Re: CC16, that was my first CC, but not my first con. Driving for eats was
> normal for me.
>
> Henry Osier

 

Group: runacc Message: 1685 From: Bruno Date: 6/2/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – The Hotel

I thought there was one, but I don’t think I got it until after I’d
gone exploring. I’d just pick a direction and drive for a while
looking for food. The best direction at CC25 was I believe North past
the Steak & Shake.

Bruno

Quoting Byron Connell <bpconnell@verizon.net>:

> The CC 25 hotel wasn’t isolated at all, especially if you had a car
> (as we did). There was good info on availability of food and
> shopping, too. The absence of a restaurant guide was a weakness for
> CC 26; while we had a car, we had no knowledge of what was
> available nearby. As one who strongly disliked both the steakhouse
> and the café, I certainly would have looked elsewhere for food if a
> guide had been provided.
>
> Byron

 

Group: runacc Message: 1686 From: tinathebookworm Date: 6/2/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – The Hotel

We’ve had to accept that at a con, we usually are stuck with eating
at the hotel for most of our meals. For a weekend, that’s generally
do-able. For a 4, 5 or 6 day stay, it gets OLD really fast!

Food quality at the atrium restaurant was adequate. It was the
service which was dreadful. And the menu was very limited, especially
for people who had strong dislikes for, or allergies of, certain
foods. Deja food indeed!

The steak house I would give mixed reviews. On the day we arrived we
were dog-tired and really wanted protein, so we made the mistake of
eating there. My steak (which I ordered without any saucing) was
good, though not so VERY good as to justify the price they were
charging (I’ve had better supermarket steak). Byron’s steak might
have been good, except that their sauce chef clearly had no idea how
to create a proper sauce, which rendered the steak itself rather
unpalatable. What capped it for us were the onion “rings”, which were
chopped up into pieces, mostly with the breading falling off as a
result, and served sitting in a large pool of grease. Yuck!

The sushi bar was my personal treat (I love sashimi; Byron doesn’t).
I had no service problems, because I patronized it when it wasn’t
very busy. Service was prompt and the food was good and attractively
served.

As for restaurants in the neighborhood, I do vaguely recall some
mention of what was around as a chat topic, but since we didn’t print
that out and bring it with us, and did not have the time to explore,
it wasn’t any help. We only found the Trader Joe’s because I had gone
on line before leaving and printed out a map of its location.

At CC16, food opportunities were limited. We found a nice Italian
restaurant a moderate distance’s walk down the hill. But we also had
the dis-pleasure of discovering “St. Louis style” pizza – inferior
sauce on a cardboard (and perforated, so that it fell apart in one’s
hands!!) crust. Won’t ever do that again!

Tina

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Bruce & Nora Mai” <casamai@…> wrote:
>
> Hotel
>
> Speaking of not being able to avoid them, the hotel restaurant(s)
got mixed
> reviews. A number of us liked the café’s open architecture, where
people
> could see and be seen. The quality of the food, however, seemed to
vary
> according to who you talked to and when they were eating there.
For Nora
> and me, our two or three experiences were okay – the food tasted
pretty good
> and the portions were pretty decent. Another person’s experience
at the
> hotel restaurants was “uniformly awful”. They said the steakhouse
signature
> plate was substandard. And more than one person commented on the
limited
> fare at the café, prompting one reviewer to remark, “Given the lack
of
> off-site eateries this lead to some very boring meals. Deja
food. “Didn’t
> I just eat this?”
>
> Unfortunately, this is one of the major drawbacks to locating your
hotel in
> an office park. The best compromise seems to be to find a hotel
near or in
> a suburban area where there are restaurant alternatives. The main
trick is
> whether those alternatives are open on Sunday. We were lucky that
we didn’t
> get (m)any complaints for our rather secluded location at CC16.
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1687 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/2/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – The Offsite Activities

Confirmed. It appears all the folks planning on going on the trip
(including the leader) were riders in need of a driver. Coordination
on this particular trip was…lacking… I ate lunch and fiddled
around with my computer when it became clear the trip wasn’t
materializing.

Too bad, too, because I was way interested in checking out the tech
stuff myself. (The EL wire panel was great inspiration.)

Then again, I suppose if the trip had happened, we wouldn’t have had
so many last-minute entries in the Mousekerade…

-B

On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 11:36 PM, Bruce & Nora Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> The Offsite Activities

[snip]
>
> Reports are most trips were very successful and enjoyed by all, although
> apparently there was supposedly a tech/junk shop trip scheduled for Monday
> that did not happen because no transportation was arranged ahead of time.

 

Group: runacc Message: 1688 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/2/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Progress Reports

The following is my own personal opinion. Your mileage may vary…

Regarding PDFs and web sites in general:

I hate to say this but speaking as a former web professional, I still
tell clients who ask that PDFs should not be relied on as the sole
source of conveying information. I’ll agree that they’re a great
timesaver, and the ability to retain formatting across platform is a
boon, but the very first sentence below presents a possible major
problem to folks who aren’t tech savvy. It doesn’t matter how pretty
the formatting is if the end user can’t open the file.

I still encounter people who have no idea how to install software
(even as simple as Reader) on their computers, and there are still
computers in operation (as Bruce pointed out) running much older
versions of operating systems than most technicians would consider
appropriate.

I can also understand Andy’s take on the navigation issues, but there
ought to have been a better way to address the architecture so that
the navigation made sense to the average user. We’re really talking
about lowest common denominator here, in both cases. Until we’re
certain all of our users have enough of a technical clue, we need to
remember that if the information is buried too far down, it won’t be
found.

(Witness: A few weeks ago, Kevin mentioned that it was too bad the
Costume-Con history wasn’t on the web site anymore. It *is* there,
buried one layer down in a submenu and not on the main page. He just
needed to know that I put it there because I considered it to be a
part of the procedures. It’s also on the top of the main Costume-Con
gallery page.)

If you really want to be sure everyone can get to the data you’ve put
up online, find one of your tech-challenged friends and ask him/her to
navigate the site for different things. If you encounter frustration,
you know you’ve got a navigation problem.

And one more thing. More than once, when I couldn’t find something I
really REALLY wanted a search function. I’ve been totally spoiled by
Google – if I need info, I type it in, hit enter and viola! I can find
a link to the info I need.

The Costume-Con.org site is way out of date at this point, but as I
upload the files to the new server I’m attempting to correct some of
the worst problems. The search function on the site doesn’t work well,
but it does work…

See disclaimer above.

-b

On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 12:34 AM, Bruno <bruno@soulmasque.com> wrote:
> You only need latest version of Acrobat Reader to view PDFs if the PDF
> was optimized to use that version. It is possible to create a PDF
> that can be viewed in older versions, but it creates a slightly larger
> file.
[snip]

 

Group: runacc Message: 1689 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/2/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – The Hotel

In a message dated 6/1/2008 10:43:48 PM Central Daylight Time,
bruno@soulmasque.com writes:

> I carpooled with someone so I had no transportation of my own. I
> don’t have a clue what I ate all weekend while confined to the hotel.

That would have been Purina Kostumer Kibble! Now with more Organ Meats!

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1690 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 6/2/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – The Hotel — The menu/restaurant service
RRegarding the limited menu- running a limited menu for the weekend was
the trade-off to get them to extend the restaurant hours.
We did make a point of warning them about the mid-evening die-off
that would be followed by a post-event rush for food and they actually
*listened*. I can recall a few CCs where the restaurant manager decided
everyone had left and closed shop, so there was no food available after
a masquerade.

Regarding the service problems —
We became aware of the problem and did our best to push on it during
the weekend (to little avail, I’m afraid), but this was a major
complaint we lodged with the management in our post-con followup. The
most egregious instance appeared to be Sunday afternoon, when the
manager in charge of the sushi/sake bar in the lobby kept it open, as
specified in our contract, but didn’t schedule anyone to actually work
there other than the sushi chef. Major unhappiness, and we’re sorry it
happened. Sunday was also a day when Gurdeep, our Doubletree liaison,
was off site. The general manager was very unhappy when he heard the
service complaints.

Kevin
r

 

Group: runacc Message: 1691 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/3/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – The Hotel

Yeah, nobody said St. Louis was known for pizza. And even here, you either
love it or hate Imo’s, which is the most well-known producer of that type.

Bruce

> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> tinathebookworm
> Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 6:36 AM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [runacc] Re: CC26 – The Hotel
>
>
>But we also had
> the dis-pleasure of discovering “St. Louis style” pizza – inferior
> sauce on a cardboard (and perforated, so that it fell apart in one’s
> hands!!) crust. Won’t ever do that again!
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1692 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/3/2008
Subject: CC26 – Registration
Registration is an important contact point for first impressions.
Unfortunately, this was where some problems were encountered. “Thursday
night pre-registration badge pick up was ill prepared. The badges were not
even laminated and the laminating job was poorly done to boot. (You’re not
supposed to place the item you want to laminate up against the fold of the
card holder and if you do that by mistake then you supposed to flip the item
over and run it through again.) The entire top half of my badge was not
sealed and the staffer who was laminating also forgot to remind people that
the badge would be hot from going through the laminator.” A number of
people had wondered why the badges had not been laminated ahead of time.

There was one particular person at the Reg table who put people off for a
number of reasons. At times, they were rude and inconsistent with checking
identification. For instance, they requested ID from one person in a couple
or family, then didn’t require it from the other people in their group. The
same person shouted at one woman who had a well-behaved service dog,
demanding that the dog had to “be under control at all times”. Wow. The
dog had a grey muzzle – it’s not like it was bouncing around.

At least there wasn’t a traffic problem where Registration was located, nor
was the wait overly long, or this would have added insult to injury.

(Sidenote from Nora – the guy dressed as “The Matrix’s” Mr. Smith at the
table amused her.)

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Group: runacc Message: 1693 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 6/3/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Registration

We were part of the line that quickly developed Thursday night waiting for badge lamination. Fortunately, the concom realized it was going to be a problem (especially when the bulk of the attendees showed up to Registration the following day–we had visions of the whole lobby being clogged with lines of waiting people), and assigned somebody to laminate the rest of the badges overnight.

I assume the badges were not laminated ahead of time because the concom didn’t want to laminate badges for attendees that didn’t show up to the con, and then reversed the decision when it proved penny wise and pound foolish.

–Karen

—– Original Message —–
From: Bruce & Nora Mai
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 8:18 AM
Subject: [runacc] CC26 – Registration

Registration is an important contact point for first impressions.
Unfortunately, this was where some problems were encountered. “Thursday
night pre-registration badge pick up was ill prepared. The badges were not
even laminated and the laminating job was poorly done to boot. (You’re not
supposed to place the item you want to laminate up against the fold of the
card holder and if you do that by mistake then you supposed to flip the item
over and run it through again.) The entire top half of my badge was not
sealed and the staffer who was laminating also forgot to remind people that
the badge would be hot from going through the laminator.” A number of
people had wondered why the badges had not been laminated ahead of time.

There was one particular person at the Reg table who put people off for a
number of reasons. At times, they were rude and inconsistent with checking
identification. For instance, they requested ID from one person in a couple
or family, then didn’t require it from the other people in their group. The
same person shouted at one woman who had a well-behaved service dog,
demanding that the dog had to “be under control at all times”. Wow. The
dog had a grey muzzle – it’s not like it was bouncing around.

At least there wasn’t a traffic problem where Registration was located, nor
was the wait overly long, or this would have added insult to injury.

(Sidenote from Nora – the guy dressed as “The Matrix’s” Mr. Smith at the
table amused her.)

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Group: runacc Message: 1694 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 6/3/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Registration

Actually, it was both simpler and more complicated than that.

The printer for the pre-reg labels failed, so badge assembly was delayed.
In addition, part of the Thursday initial backup was due to the chief
lamination volunteer not spotting the box of additional carriers (the
cardboard you put the unlaminated parts in to run them through the
laminator). Once those were found they could take advantage of the
wide-bed laminators and do multiple badges at a time.

We *did* make a conscious decision to not pre-laminate youth or
kid-in-tow badges (because at-con guardian contact info had to be added
to the back of those); we also held off on many badges with fan names to
make sure we had them right before laminating. The plastic lamination
pouches were the critical (and most expensive) component of our badges;
I know from past experience that finding them on short notice in
quantity on a weekend can be next to impossible, so we were trying to
avoid having to laminate badges more than once. We were less worried
about the no-show factor, because those pouches were already figured
into our purchase.

(By way of example, one attendee simply wanted the letter “E” on her
badge. That was one we opted not to laminate until we confirmed she
didn’t want anything else.)

As to the problems with requesting ID and a staff member shouting, I’m
sorry to hear that and you have my apologies.
Our at-con reg staff was almost entirely composed of folks on loan from
BayCon (so they could test-run their new badging procedures and
processes on a smaller convention before having to handle BayCon
itself), and it sounds like they were definitely some glitches in their
workflow. It still doesn’t excuse rudeness.

Kevin

Ricky & Karen Dick wrote:

>
> We were part of the line that quickly developed Thursday night waiting
> for badge lamination. Fortunately, the concom realized it was going to
> be a problem (especially when the bulk of the attendees showed up to
> Registration the following day–we had visions of the whole lobby
> being clogged with lines of waiting people), and assigned somebody to
> laminate the rest of the badges overnight.
>
> I assume the badges were not laminated ahead of time because the
> concom didn’t want to laminate badges for attendees that didn’t show
> up to the con, and then reversed the decision when it proved penny
> wise and pound foolish.
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1695 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/3/2008
Subject: CC26 – Membership “packets”
The Program book: The book was adequate, but the most glaring item was the
reprint of the PR article on tipping. A number of people found these
suggestions unnecessary at least, and insulting at worst. And the weapons
policy, while necessary to have, seemed excessively long, given it was a
whole 2 pages worth.

The Pocket Program was adequate and readable, but emphasized an impression
of sparseness of programming (see the following Programming review).

Perhaps the most disappointing aspect was the lack of a convention packet
loaded up with “goodies”. Said one, “The “packet” that came with the badge
contained almost nothing. There was the con program, a pocket program, and
a post card. WTF. Where are all the goodies I have come to expect in a con
swag bag. With all the “staff” this con boasted, surely someone could have
hit up the local businesses for free shtuff. Being as we were in Silicon
Valley, you would think they could have hit up the on-line businesses for
discounts and freebies if we order things via internet. Nada, Zilch,
Bupkis.”

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Group: runacc Message: 1696 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/3/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Registration

In a message dated 6/3/2008 7:19:23 AM Central Daylight Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> (Sidenote from Nora – the guy dressed as “The Matrix’s” Mr. Smith at the
> table amused her.)

Note to self: Grow hair longer. Get contacts. I have been wanting to do that
for years! Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1697 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 6/3/2008
Subject: The tipping article (was Re: [runacc] CC26 – Membership “packets”

On Jun 3, 2008, at 5:29 PM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> The Program book: The book was adequate, but the most glaring item
> was the
> reprint of the PR article on tipping. A number of people found these
> suggestions unnecessary at least, and insulting at worst.

Feel free to be insulted. You could choose to look at the article with
fresh eyes, though.

This sort of article isn’t uncommon in program books and convention
newsletters across the country (remember, I haven’t always lived in
California), and is a regular in Worldcon program books and
newsletters. Why?

Not everybody has been going to conventions and staying in hotels for
over a decade. This is particularly an issue with traveling
conventions that draw from outside the normal local and regional
convention circuits. At one of the pre-convention GBACG salons we
talked with some folks who were coming, but had never in their lives
stayed in hotels. Not even a Motel 6. Some people just don’t know
these things.

There’s also the issue of international travelers. Tipping customs may
be standard across the US, but I would never travel outside the US
without reviewing local tipping standards. We knew we had attendees
from the UK (where a 10% gratuity is often included in your restaurant
bill) and Japan (where offering any sort of gratuity is an insult). I
believe all of them are well-traveled enough to think about these
things, but it’s still something to remember.

Please consider that this article may not have been written for you.
It was written for the folks for who never stayed in a hotel before.
It was written for the kids who started staying at convention hotels
as soon as one of their friends was old enough to make a reservation
and check in, who never learned about hotel tipping from their
parents. It was written for the folks who don’t understand the reality
of income tax for hospitality-industry employees.

Because, you know, we had attendees who fit in all those categories.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1698 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/3/2008
Subject: CC26 – Dealers Room
One of the biggest and diverse we’ve seen in a number of years. One of our
people stated a preference for not grouping all the same types of dealers
together. Personally, I could be persuaded either way on that one, but
cons usually don’t even have the luxury of organizing in that fashion.
Another questioned having ready-made costumes, but not everyone sews.
Ready-made costumes can really help one’s hall-costume repertoire, I think.
The room was good sized and the aisles were wide enough for traffic and
lighting was sufficient.

The only puzzling thing was there were people checking badges at the door.
It would seem that it would be beneficial to the dealers to be open to
anyone in the hotel who might want to discover the costuming supplies,
rather than keeping it only available to the convention attendees.

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Group: runacc Message: 1699 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-con 26 Convention Ch Date: 6/3/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Dealers Room

We checked badges for two reasons:

1) If the dealer’s room is not marked as badged we lose the right to
control access at all.

2) I didn’t want motivation for the local cosplayers (who are notorious
for wanting to spend no money except on shopping) to cruise in, hit the
dealer’s room, and never bother joining the convention at all. That
may sound cynical, but it is a very real situation. We did have the
dealer’s room open to the public on Monday.

Badging the dealer’s room is normal practice for Bay Area conventions,
by the way.

Kevin

Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

>
>
> The only puzzling thing was there were people checking badges at the door.
> It would seem that it would be beneficial to the dealers to be open to
> anyone in the hotel who might want to discover the costuming supplies,
> rather than keeping it only available to the convention attendees.
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1700 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/3/2008
Subject: Re: CC26 – Dealers Room
I too wondered about the many dealers of ready made costumes.
We chalked it up to life styles of the californian costume world.
many many people out there WEAR costumes all the time, to anime cons, regency dances, renfaires, etc… and it seems like a larger majority aren’t concerned with making it, as much as just having it, enjoying it, and enjoying their events
this would go along with the fact that as a percentage of attendees goes, californian CC’s ALWAYS have small masquerades in relation to the size of the con.

not good, not bad, don’t even have an opinion, just trying to analyze the data so future cons know what to plan for.

I’m also not surprised that it seemed like more than half of the ready to wear was for men.

Gravely MacCabre
http://www.castleblood.com
http://www.midnightmonsterhop.com
http://www.myspace.com/thecastleblood
http://www.myspace.com/midnightmonsterhop
clip samples at
http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood

—– Original Message —-
From: Bruce & Nora Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2008 11:31:46 PM
Subject: [runacc] CC26 – Dealers Room

One of the biggest and diverse we’ve seen in a number of years. One of our
people stated a preference for not grouping all the same types of dealers
together. Personally, I could be persuaded either way on that one, but
cons usually don’t even have the luxury of organizing in that fashion.
Another questioned having ready-made costumes, but not everyone sews.
Ready-made costumes can really help one’s hall-costume repertoire, I think.
The room was good sized and the aisles were wide enough for traffic and
lighting was sufficient.

The only puzzling thing was there were people checking badges at the door.
It would seem that it would be beneficial to the dealers to be open to
anyone in the hotel who might want to discover the costuming supplies,
rather than keeping it only available to the convention attendees.

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Subject: Re: What’s wrong with this webpage?
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Subject: A special CC event
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Group: runacc Message: 1612 From: Karen Heim Date: 8/29/2007
Subject: Re: A special CC event
Group: runacc Message: 1613 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 9/8/2007
Subject: Question about stuff in the dealers room
Group: runacc Message: 1614 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 9/8/2007
Subject: Re: Question about stuff in the dealers room
Group: runacc Message: 1615 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 9/9/2007
Subject: Re: Question about stuff in the dealers room
Group: runacc Message: 1616 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 10/31/2007
Subject: News from Costume-Con 26 in honor of a costumers’ holiday
Group: runacc Message: 1617 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 11/23/2007
Subject: Demographics & other CC25 observations
Group: runacc Message: 1618 From: tinathebookworm Date: 11/23/2007
Subject: Re: Demographics other CC’s
Group: runacc Message: 1619 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 11/24/2007
Subject: Re: Demographics other CC’s
Group: runacc Message: 1620 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 11/24/2007
Subject: Re: Demographics other CC’s
Group: runacc Message: 1621 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 11/27/2007
Subject: [Fwd: Important notice from Costume-Con 26 about our email addresses
Group: runacc Message: 1622 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: paging the sick pups…
Group: runacc Message: 1623 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Question about scheduling at past Costume-Cons…
Group: runacc Message: 1624 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: Question about scheduling at past Costume-Cons…
Group: runacc Message: 1625 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: Question about scheduling at past Costume-Cons…
Group: runacc Message: 1626 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Hey, Karen… in your next Con-Stitution update…
Group: runacc Message: 1627 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: Hey, Karen… in your next Con-Stitution update…
Group: runacc Message: 1628 From: Dave Doering Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: Question about scheduling at past Costume-Cons…
Group: runacc Message: 1629 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: Hey, Karen… in your next Con-Stitution update…
Group: runacc Message: 1630 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: Question about scheduling at past Costume-Cons…
Group: runacc Message: 1631 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: Question about scheduling at past Costume-Cons…
Group: runacc Message: 1632 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Costume magazine
Group: runacc Message: 1633 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: CC28 Update
Group: runacc Message: 1634 From: Byron Connell Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: CC28 Update
Group: runacc Message: 1635 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: CC28 Update
Group: runacc Message: 1636 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: CC28 Update
Group: runacc Message: 1637 From: Martin Gear Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: CC28 Update
Group: runacc Message: 1638 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Re: CC28 Update
Group: runacc Message: 1639 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Re: CC28 Update
Group: runacc Message: 1640 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Re: CC28 Update
Group: runacc Message: 1641 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Re: CC28 Update
Group: runacc Message: 1642 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: CC28 Update
Group: runacc Message: 1643 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: CC28 Update
Group: runacc Message: 1644 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 4/17/2008
Subject: Last-minute recruiting…
Group: runacc Message: 1645 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 4/17/2008
Subject: Re: Last-minute recruiting…
Group: runacc Message: 1646 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 4/17/2008
Subject: Re: Last-minute recruiting…
Group: runacc Message: 1647 From: Byron Connell Date: 4/17/2008
Subject: Re: Last-minute recruiting…
Group: runacc Message: 1648 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 4/17/2008
Subject: Re: Last-minute recruiting…
Group: runacc Message: 1649 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-con 26 Convention Ch Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: Re: Last-minute recruiting… house manager found
Group: runacc Message: 1650 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 4/30/2008
Subject: Re: Last-minute recruiting… house manager found

 


 

Group: runacc Message: 1601 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 8/1/2007
Subject: Re: What’s wrong with this webpage?

On Aug 1, 2007, at 7:01 AM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> Ummm… The CC26 logo lurking to the right?

We’re giving Jan a chance to follow it up with the webmaster friendly-
like (since she knows him), but if that doesn’t pan out by next week
their head office and their hosting company are getting DMCA take-
down notices.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1602 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 8/1/2007
Subject: Re: What’s wrong with this webpage?

In a message dated 8/1/2007 1:40:52 AM Central Daylight Time,
attrembl@bovil.com writes:

> http://www.dragoncon.net/costuming/
>
> Well, beside that it’s ugly…
>
> andy
>
>
>
>
>

They are using your Sewing Machine Logo?
Henry Osier
Chief Spy
Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010
www.CC28.org
View the latest Intell: http://agent-milw.livejournal.com/
Questions?: http://community.livejournal.com/costume_con_28/

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Group: runacc Message: 1603 From: Martin Gear Date: 8/1/2007
Subject: Re: What’s wrong with this webpage?

Given my experience with the “people in charge” at DragonCon, I’d start
to draft the DMCA notices.
YMMV –
Marty

Andrew T Trembley wrote:

>
> On Aug 1, 2007, at 7:01 AM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
> > Ummm… The CC26 logo lurking to the right?
>
> We’re giving Jan a chance to follow it up with the webmaster friendly-
> like (since she knows him), but if that doesn’t pan out by next week
> their head office and their hosting company are getting DMCA take-
> down notices.
>
> andy
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1604 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 8/1/2007
Subject: Re: What’s wrong with this webpage?

Didn’t even bother to attempt original art based on the design.

Charming.

-b

Andrew Trembley wrote:

> http://www.dragoncon.net/costuming/
>
> Well, beside that it’s ugly…
>
> andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1605 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 8/2/2007
Subject: Re: What’s wrong with this webpage?

I’m assuming it used to be where the broken pic link is now.

Michael

Quoting Betsy Delaney <bdelaney@hawkeswood.com>:

> Didn’t even bother to attempt original art based on the design.
>
> Charming.
>
> -b
>
> Andrew Trembley wrote:
>> http://www.dragoncon.net/costuming/
>>
>> Well, beside that it’s ugly…
>>
>> andy
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1606 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 8/2/2007
Subject: Re: What’s wrong with this webpage?

bruno@soulmasque.com wrote:

> I’m assuming it used to be where the broken pic link is now.
>

Yeah, that would have been it. The webmaster is using GoLive and there
are a ton of “(empty reference)” URLs because the target was never
linked; looks like he unlinked that image pretty quickly.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1607 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 8/2/2007
Subject: Re: What’s wrong with this webpage?

In a message dated 8/2/2007 2:05:38 AM Central Daylight Time,
attrembl@bovil.com writes:

> Yeah, that would have been it. The webmaster is using GoLive and there
> are a ton of “(empty reference)” URLs because the target was never
> linked; looks like he unlinked that image pretty quickly.

If they hadn’t, it may have been a job for
The Armed Costumers Guild!

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1608 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 8/28/2007
Subject: CC Merchandising
Hello!

How is or did merchandise, such as T-shirts and tote bags, working to bring
in extra cash for Costume Cons? I know that all the glasses that we made for
CC21 went.

Henry Osier
Chief Spy
Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010
www.CC28.org
View the latest Intell: http://agent-milw.livejournal.com/
Questions?: http://community.livejournal.com/costume_con_28/

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Group: runacc Message: 1609 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 8/28/2007
Subject: A special CC event
Hello, again!

What does everyone think about having a blood drive at CC?

Henry Osier
Chief Spy
Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010
www.CC28.org
View the latest Intell: http://agent-milw.livejournal.com/
Questions?: http://community.livejournal.com/costume_con_28/

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Group: runacc Message: 1610 From: tinathebookworm Date: 8/28/2007
Subject: Re: A special CC event

I am a regular blood donor at the drives at the hospital where I
work. As long as I can plan ahead so that donating blood @ the con
doesn’t conflict with that, I think it’s a great idea. (I was
willing to do so @ NASFIC, but it turned out that I had given too
recently, by about 2 weeks, and wasn’t eligible.)

Tina

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, osierhenry@… wrote:
>
> Hello, again!
>
> What does everyone think about having a blood drive at CC?
>
> Henry Osier
> Chief Spy
> Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010
> www.CC28.org

 

Group: runacc Message: 1611 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 8/28/2007
Subject: Re: A special CC event
The reason I ask is that I, too, am a regular donor. I finally hit the 24
pint mark just before CC25. And the company that I work for provides copiers and
fax machines to the Wisconsin Blood Center. http://www.bcw.edu They are very
happy to come to events and do blood drives. When Milwaukee had a regular SF
con, it used to always have a blood drive.

Henry Osier
Chief Spy
Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010
www.CC28.org
View the latest Intell: http://agent-milw.livejournal.com/
Questions?: http://community.livejournal.com/costume_con_28/

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Group: runacc Message: 1612 From: Karen Heim Date: 8/29/2007
Subject: Re: A special CC event

They’d only take my blood if I lied to them . . .

Their loss.

Karen

On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:55:29 EDT
osierhenry@cs.com wrote:

> The reason I ask is that I, too, am a regular donor. I
>finally hit the 24
> pint mark just before CC25. And the company that I work
>for provides copiers and
> fax machines to the Wisconsin Blood Center.
>http://www.bcw.edu They are very
> happy to come to events and do blood drives. When
>Milwaukee had a regular SF
> con, it used to always have a blood drive.
>
> Henry Osier
> Chief Spy
> Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010
> www.CC28.org
> View the latest Intell:
>http://agent-milw.livejournal.com/
> Questions?:
>http://community.livejournal.com/costume_con_28/
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1613 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 9/8/2007
Subject: Question about stuff in the dealers room
Hello!

Question: Do you think that a dealer with tanned deerskins, beads, sinew,
etc., would go over well at a costume-con?

Henry Osier
Chief Spy
Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010
www.CC28.org
View the latest Intell: http://agent-milw.livejournal.com/
Questions?: http://community.livejournal.com/costume_con_28/

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Group: runacc Message: 1614 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 9/8/2007
Subject: Re: Question about stuff in the dealers room

Dunno!

I know we’ve had such a dealer at one CC at least. U won’t swear to it,
but I recall it as CC11. I don’t know how well they did.

IMO, if you’re pushing the con to folks who do mountain man recreations,
old west re-enactors and the like, you’ll likely have interest.

Does that help?

Cheers,

Betsy

osierhenry@cs.com wrote:

> Hello!
>
> Question: Do you think that a dealer with tanned deerskins, beads, sinew,
> etc., would go over well at a costume-con?
>
> Henry Osier
> Chief Spy
> Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010
> www.CC28.org
> View the latest Intell: http://agent-milw.livejournal.com/
> Questions?: http://community.livejournal.com/costume_con_28/
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>



Betsy Delaney

 

Group: runacc Message: 1615 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 9/9/2007
Subject: Re: Question about stuff in the dealers room

In a message dated 9/8/2007 7:46:09 PM Central Daylight Time,
bdelaney@hawkeswood.com writes:

> I know we’ve had such a dealer at one CC at least. U won’t swear to it,
> but I recall it as CC11. I don’t know how well they did.
>
> IMO, if you’re pushing the con to folks who do mountain man recreations,
> old west re-enactors and the like, you’ll likely have interest.
>
> Does that help?

Yes, Betsy. It does. In my experience, I know that costumers have a need for
garment weight leather at times. I know a couple that deals those sorts of
things and am trying to gauge how interested costumers might be in them.

Thanks!

Henry

PS How’s Dan and the kids?

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Group: runacc Message: 1616 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 10/31/2007
Subject: News from Costume-Con 26 in honor of a costumers’ holiday
In celebration of one of our favorite costumed holidays, I’m happy to
announce as chair of Costume-Con 26 that weekend membership rates will
*NOT* increase tonight as originally planned.

Adult Weekend Memberships will remain at the current price of $85 for
the remainder of 2007, with a planned rate increase on January 1, 2008.

This means that you can purchase memberships for your friends as holiday
gifts! (*Which* holiday you choose to present them in celebration of we
leave as an exercise for the reader.)

We now return you to your regularly scheduled costuming…

Kevin

 

Group: runacc Message: 1617 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 11/23/2007
Subject: Demographics & other CC25 observations

Been meaning to send this info for awhile & since I’m cleaning up the
computer (deleting, removing, saving to external storage, etc.), here’s some
numbers & observations from CC25 as Treasurer, Promotional Materials
Coordinator & Membership Coordinator – Nora

Badgeholders: original print run 263
We have 33 left
Feedback: Mostly positive, some personal preferences for other types but
most liked the usefulness with all the pockets, etc.
Conclusion: Successful, despite some minor objections (very few) most people
liked them & plan to re-use.

Pins: original order 300
We have 67 left
Feedback: Very positive; looked good, shiny
Conclusion: Major plus; good idea we missed – could have been used alone
(w/o badge) as evening ID or on complicated costumes.

Branding: Use of flames & logo throughout – pubs, badges, pins, signage
Conclusion: Very successful – bright, identifiable; made for a unified look
throughout all our efforts.

Demographics:
265 Members
In advance – 233
PayPal – 59
At the Door – 32
In Attendance – 221
Used “alias” – 57
Year joined:
2004 – 30
2005 – 33
2006 – 92
2007 – 109
Voting Fees – 58
VF Only – 4
VF Converted – 54
Sat Only – 11
Sun Only – 1
Student – 11
Staff – 45
Dealers – 9
Transferred –
Supporting – 2
Free-Award – 14
Awardees that attended – 7
Free-Other – 4
Press – 2
Had to be mailed post-con – 30

Observations: Almost half registered in the last 3 months. Single days &
Students definitely worth doing even if they don’t pull in many people.
Almost 20% used “alias” option – may mean nothing but it was moderately
popular. Approximately 20% used PayPal.
Conclusions: Memberships habits have definitely shifted. PayPal very good.

Optional info:
Age: 244 responses
Over 21 – 224
18-21 – 8
13-18 – 10
0-12 – 1
Member of ICG Chapter: 214 responses
Yes – 28
No – 126
Wants to receive future CC mailings: 214 responses
Yes – 193
No – 21
Multiple pubs 2 or more members @ one address: 72 responses
Yes – 10
No – 72
Past CCs: 211 responses
All – 1
Many – 3
Some – 2
22 – 2
21 – 1
20 – 2
18 – 1
17 – 2
16 – 2
15 – 1
14 – 2

>12 – 1

11 – 2
10 – 6
9 – 7
8 – 2
7 – 1
6 – 7
5 – 9
4 – 13
3 – 6
2 – 19
1 – 42
0 – 77

Of those who responded:
Observations: Our demographic is over 21, not a member of the ICG &
interested in future CCs (probably dependant on location). Of multiple
members at one address, only 10% wanted individual publications, the rest
could share through the entire household. And approximately 1/3 were first
timers.

 

Group: runacc Message: 1618 From: tinathebookworm Date: 11/23/2007
Subject: Re: Demographics other CC’s
This is an offshoot triggered by the CC-25 info: in cleaning out paper
stuff recently, I came across a preliminary budget worksheet for CC-
18. That’s quite a while back, and I don’t have a final post-con
breakdown, but if this is something that anyone would find useful as a
planning tool (however outdated), I will save it and pass it on,
rather than discarding it. Archives?

Tina

 

Group: runacc Message: 1619 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 11/24/2007
Subject: Re: Demographics other CC’s

Archives would appreciate it, thanks.

Ricky and I are taking this over from Betsy, so contact us offlist as to where to send it.

–Karen

—– Original Message —–
From: tinathebookworm
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 11:32 PM
Subject: [runacc] Re: Demographics other CC’s

This is an offshoot triggered by the CC-25 info: in cleaning out paper
stuff recently, I came across a preliminary budget worksheet for CC-
18. That’s quite a while back, and I don’t have a final post-con
breakdown, but if this is something that anyone would find useful as a
planning tool (however outdated), I will save it and pass it on,
rather than discarding it. Archives?

Tina

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Group: runacc Message: 1620 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 11/24/2007
Subject: Re: Demographics other CC’s
Tina,
Do you have the ability to scan it and e-mail it to me?
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1621 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 11/27/2007
Subject: [Fwd: Important notice from Costume-Con 26 about our email addresses
I sent this note originally via our registration system; I am forwarding
it to several interested lists to help get the word out.

You may forward/repost it in its entirety to help get the word out.

Kevin

——– Original Message ——–
Subject: Important notice from Costume-Con 26 about our email addresses
Date: 27 Nov 2007 20:37:46 -0000
From: chair@cc26.org
To: chair@cc26.org

To all Costume-Con 26 online users:

This message is being broadcast to all users who have registered an email
address in the Costume-Con 26 database.

We recently discovered that a number of Internet Service Providers (ISPs)
have stopped delivering email to and from “.info” domains due to large
quantities of spam being sent from such domains. The ISPs doing so do not
send any bounce or error messages, they simply discard the messages.

When we selected cc26.info as our domain over 5 years ago, this was not a
problem. We only discovered it recently when we realized a large number of
Future Fashion Folio designers never received their acceptance notices, and
upon investigation learned that we had not received inquiries from them,
either.

Fortunately, we also own the cc26.org domain. Effective immediately, we
shall shift our email addresses to the .org domain. All the previous
addresses have been migrated (for instance, chair@cc26.info is now
chair@cc26.org), and the contact page on our website is being updated with
the new addresses.

Our website will remain at www.cc26.info; this problem *only* affects email
delivery. Email already in the pipeline to .info addresses will forward to
the new .org addresses (*if* it is delivered to our server).

I apologize for any confusion this may cause you, and hope you will bear
with us during any glitches caused by the transition.

Thank you for your patience, and your support of Costume-Con 26.

Kevin Roche
Chair, Costume-Con 26

 

Group: runacc Message: 1622 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: paging the sick pups…
I’ve been trying to email y’all and all the @sickpups.org addresses I
have keep bouncing.

Can you email me offlist?

Thanks!

Kevin

 

Group: runacc Message: 1623 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Question about scheduling at past Costume-Cons…
My memory is somewhat unreliable on this question, since I’m usually
involved in the fashion show somehow.

Is it traditional to have no other program items running during the
Sunday Fashion Show, or has that varied from year to year?

Thanks!

Kevin

 

Group: runacc Message: 1624 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: Question about scheduling at past Costume-Cons…

FFS has typically been treated as a “Big Tent” item (like the Historical and F&S/F) with no counterprogramming, although I think CC22 may have had some Historical track item against it…?

Do you feel a need to do counterprogramming because of time (to fit all program items in) or space (because the room for the FFS won’t hold all the members of the convention) considerations? Otherwise, I would strongly urge you not to counterprogram for the hour or so the FFS will take.

–Karen

—– Original Message —–
From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 7:57 PM
Subject: [runacc] Question about scheduling at past Costume-Cons…

My memory is somewhat unreliable on this question, since I’m usually
involved in the fashion show somehow.

Is it traditional to have no other program items running during the
Sunday Fashion Show, or has that varied from year to year?

Thanks!

Kevin

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Group: runacc Message: 1625 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: Question about scheduling at past Costume-Cons…

I’m mostly mediating a vehement discussion (it has not become an
argument) between my programming head (who is used to much larger
conventions where they often program against even the Masquerade) and my
FFS director.

Just wanted a sanity check.

Kevin

Ricky & Karen Dick wrote:

>
> FFS has typically been treated as a “Big Tent” item (like the
> Historical and F&S/F) with no counterprogramming, although I think
> CC22 may have had some Historical track item against it…?
>
> Do you feel a need to do counterprogramming because of time (to fit
> all program items in) or space (because the room for the FFS won’t
> hold all the members of the convention) considerations? Otherwise, I
> would strongly urge you not to counterprogram for the hour or so the
> FFS will take.
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1626 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Hey, Karen… in your next Con-Stitution update…
Could you put a clause in the “publications” section that excuses
committees from re-sending publications that are returned to sender?
We’ve had a fair number of pubs get returned because of address
problems.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1627 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: Hey, Karen… in your next Con-Stitution update…

And by “address problems” Andy means members who give us an invalid
mailing address, or who fail to update their address when they move.

Kevin

Andrew T Trembley wrote:

>
> Could you put a clause in the “publications” section that excuses
> committees from re-sending publications that are returned to sender?
> We’ve had a fair number of pubs get returned because of address
> problems.
>
> andy
>
>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1628 From: Dave Doering Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: Question about scheduling at past Costume-Cons…
At CC23, we too made the FFS a “Big Tent” particularly to further
highlight the value of the Folio and those who contribute to it.

There will always be those members who won’t attend the FFS. However,
by not counter-programming the con strongly shows its support for
those in the show.

Dave Doering
CC23:Utah

 

Group: runacc Message: 1629 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: Hey, Karen… in your next Con-Stitution update…

I think you can just set your own policy. We didn’t have much of a
problem with this, but we kept PRs if they didn’t make it to their
destinations. And we made one attempt to mail the Folios again, in case we
had something wrong. We emailed them. Otherwise, too bad, so sad – pick it
up at registration – if you show up.

Bruce

> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair
> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 3:50 PM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [runacc] Hey, Karen… in your next Con-Stitution update…
>
> And by “address problems” Andy means members who give us an invalid
> mailing address, or who fail to update their address when they move.
>
> Kevin
>
> Andrew T Trembley wrote:
> >
> > Could you put a clause in the “publications” section that excuses
> > committees from re-sending publications that are returned to sender?
> > We’ve had a fair number of pubs get returned because of address
> > problems.
> >
> > andy
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1630 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: Question about scheduling at past Costume-Cons…

I would agree with this. After all, it really only is typically 1 hour.

Bruce

> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Dave Doering
> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 4:32 PM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [runacc] Question about scheduling at past Costume-Cons…
>
> At CC23, we too made the FFS a “Big Tent” particularly to further
> highlight the value of the Folio and those who contribute to it.
>
> There will always be those members who won’t attend the FFS. However,
> by not counter-programming the con strongly shows its support for
> those in the show.
>
> Dave Doering
> CC23:Utah
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1631 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: Question about scheduling at past Costume-Cons…

At 06:57 PM 2/5/2008, you wrote:

>My memory is somewhat unreliable on this question, since I’m usually
>involved in the fashion show somehow.
>
>Is it traditional to have no other program items running during the
>Sunday Fashion Show, or has that varied from year to year?
>
>Thanks!
>
>Kevin

As I recall the three I was involved in chairing didn’t cross program
against the actual show. There was programming until just before showtime.

Pierre

“Those Who Fail To Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly —
Why They Are Simply Doomed.

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C.Y. 4971

Andromeda

 

Group: runacc Message: 1632 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Costume magazine
Saw this on the F-Costume list so ordered it. It’s a pretty nice little mag,
glossy but cosplay heavy – $12 bucks. Anybody else checked it out or know
anything about the gal who produces it? The premier copy is only 150 run but
hopefully that will expand if we get the word out.

http://www.costumemakermagazine.com/?q=node/6

Looks like she needs some ads though – might be a good place to advertise in
for future CCs. I’ve written her for info & will pass it along when
received.

Nora

 

Group: runacc Message: 1633 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: CC28 Update
Hello!

I just thought I’d share this with everyone here. Today, the hotel contract
for CC28 was signed.

Henry Osier
Chief Spy
Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010
www.CC28.org

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Group: runacc Message: 1634 From: Byron Connell Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: CC28 Update

Congratulations! Which hotel? If I knew, I’ve forgotten.

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: osierhenry@cs.com<mailto:osierhenry@cs.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 8:20 PM
Subject: [runacc] CC28 Update

Hello!

I just thought I’d share this with everyone here. Today, the hotel contract
for CC28 was signed.

Henry Osier
Chief Spy
Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010
www.CC28.org<http://www.cc28.org/>

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Group: runacc Message: 1635 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: CC28 Update

In a message dated 3/25/2008 7:26:05 PM Central Daylight Time,
bpconnell@verizon.net writes:

> Congratulations! Which hotel? If I knew, I’ve forgotten.
>
>
>
>
>

Its a Hilton in downtown Milwaukee. I know it as the Marc Plaza, but it
started it’s life as the Schroeder.
http://www.hilton.com/en/hi/hotels/index.jhtml?ctyhocn=MKEMHHF
It has a lovely old world look to it and is convenient to many museums and
restaurants.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1636 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: CC28 Update

Yay, Henry! Good job!

–Karen

—– Original Message —–
From: osierhenry@cs.com
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 8:20 PM
Subject: [runacc] CC28 Update

Hello!

I just thought I’d share this with everyone here. Today, the hotel contract
for CC28 was signed.

Henry Osier
Chief Spy
Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010
www.CC28.org

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Group: runacc Message: 1637 From: Martin Gear Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: CC28 Update

If it is the hotel that I am thinking of, I stayed there several years
ago on business and it was a lovely funky old hotel (in the best sense
of the phrase)
^M^

osierhenry@cs.com wrote:

>
> In a message dated 3/25/2008 7:26:05 PM Central Daylight Time,
> bpconnell@verizon.net <mailto:bpconnell%40verizon.net> writes:
> > Congratulations! Which hotel? If I knew, I’ve forgotten.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> Its a Hilton in downtown Milwaukee. I know it as the Marc Plaza, but it
> started it’s life as the Schroeder.
> http://www.hilton.com/en/hi/hotels/index.jhtml?ctyhocn=MKEMHHF
> <http://www.hilton.com/en/hi/hotels/index.jhtml?ctyhocn=MKEMHHF>
> It has a lovely old world look to it and is convenient to many museums
> and
> restaurants.
>
> Henry
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1638 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Re: CC28 Update

Gee, Henry, it looks like a larger version of the Hotel Fort Des
Moines, where CC24 was! But considering they’re about the same age,
I guess that’s not too surprising….

Sandy

At 07:43 PM 3/25/2008, you wrote:

>In a message dated 3/25/2008 7:26:05 PM Central Daylight Time,
><mailto:bpconnell%40verizon.net>bpconnell@verizon.net writes:
> > Congratulations! Which hotel? If I knew, I’ve forgotten.
>
>Its a Hilton in downtown Milwaukee. I know it as the Marc Plaza, but it
>started it’s life as the Schroeder.
><http://www.hilton.com/en/hi/hotels/index.jhtml?ctyhocn=MKEMHHF>http://www.hilton.com/en/hi/hotels/index.jhtml?ctyhocn=MKEMHHF
>It has a lovely old world look to it and is convenient to many museums and
>restaurants.
>
>Henry

“Those Who Fail To Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly —
Why They Are Simply Doomed.

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C.Y. 4971

Andromeda

 

Group: runacc Message: 1639 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Re: CC28 Update

I see that parking is $22 a night (ouch), what’s the room rate going to be?

Nora

> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> osierhenry@cs.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 7:44 PM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [runacc] CC28 Update
>
> In a message dated 3/25/2008 7:26:05 PM Central Daylight Time,
> bpconnell@verizon.net writes:
> > Congratulations! Which hotel? If I knew, I’ve forgotten.

> Its a Hilton in downtown Milwaukee. I know it as the Marc Plaza, but it
> started it’s life as the Schroeder.
> http://www.hilton.com/en/hi/hotels/index.jhtml?ctyhocn=MKEMHHF
> It has a lovely old world look to it and is convenient to many museums and
> restaurants.

 

Group: runacc Message: 1640 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Re: CC28 Update

In a message dated 3/25/2008 10:36:50 PM Central Daylight Time,
MartinGear@comcast.net writes:

> If it is the hotel that I am thinking of, I stayed there several years
> ago on business and it was a lovely funky old hotel (in the best sense
> of the phrase)
>
>
>

5th & Wisconsin, right across the street from the giant conference center
downtown. Three blocks from Milwaukee Public Museum, birth place of the Diorama!

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1641 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Re: CC28 Update

In a message dated 3/26/2008 6:17:59 AM Central Daylight Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> I see that parking is $22 a night (ouch), what’s the room rate going to be?
>
>
>
>
>

Survey says: You are in correct! Parking will be $12! (Its in the contract!)

I forget the room rate right now. Will get back to you.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1642 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: CC28 Update

Well, that’s what their website says; glad you could negotiate a lower rate
– an extra $100 or so would knock some people for a loop if they didn’t plan
for it (course you need to make sure everybody knows about it in your PRs,
wouldn’t want someone getting charged the wrong rate by the garage
attendants. Or is it being added directly to the bill?)
Another garage question – any idea on it’s limits? Size, quantity,
what-have-you. You know our propensity for renting a “church” van, and that
wouldn’t fit in the garage at Des Moines.

Nora

> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
>
> In a message dated 3/26/2008 6:17:59 AM Central Daylight Time,
> casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:
> > I see that parking is $22 a night (ouch), what’s the room rate going to

be?

> >
> >
> Survey says: You are in correct! Parking will be $12! (Its in the

contract!)

>
> I forget the room rate right now. Will get back to you.
>
> Henry

 

Group: runacc Message: 1643 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: CC28 Update

In a message dated 3/27/2008 6:19:29 AM Central Daylight Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> (course you need to make sure everybody knows about it in your PRs,
> wouldn’t want someone getting charged the wrong rate by the garage
> attendants. Or is it being added directly to the bill?)

Thanks for the idea!

> Another garage question – any idea on it’s limits? Size, quantity,
> what-have-you. You know our propensity for renting a “church” van, and that
> wouldn’t fit in the garage at Des Moines.

I have seen large SUV’s in it, but I will have to find out. I am planning on
having a big van for carting folks around to some shopping sites.

Andy, can you guess where?

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1644 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 4/17/2008
Subject: Last-minute recruiting…
CC26 still needs a house manager for the shows.

What does the house manager do?
1. Work with our hotel department to make sure that the house seating
is correct before each show
2. Ensures the judges’ desk is in position and has enough chairs
3. Manages wheelchair seating areas (if necessary)
4. Manages reserved seating areas (if there are any)
5. When the show director and the crews all agree that everything is
ready in the house, opens the house doors
6. Coordinates line management/entertainment folks (here’s hoping for
no big lines, there are nearly 600 seats in the house)

If you’re not competing and think you can do this, or if you know
someone who is not competing who you could recommend, please email chair@cc26.org

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1645 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 4/17/2008
Subject: Re: Last-minute recruiting…

In a message dated 4/17/2008 6:55:52 PM Central Daylight Time,
attrembl@bovil.com writes:

> What does the house manager do?
> 1. Work with our hotel department to make sure that the house seating
> is correct before each show

Combo effort with MD, IMHO.

> 2. Ensures the judges’ desk is in position and has enough chairs

Ditto.

> 3. Manages wheelchair seating areas (if necessary)
> 4. Manages reserved seating areas (if there are any)
> 5. When the show director and the crews all agree that everything is
> ready in the house, opens the house doors
>

Basically, all ditto

> 6. Coordinates line management/entertainment folks (here’s hoping for
> no big lines, there are nearly 600 seats in the house)

You might want to consider a separate person for this. Things can get busy
enough inside before the doors open.

I also would suggest that all Masq Staff know where the fire exits are, as
well as fire extinguishers, and what the medical emergency procedure is, both in
the house and around the stage.

Henry Osier
Chief Spy
Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010

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Group: runacc Message: 1646 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 4/17/2008
Subject: Re: Last-minute recruiting…

When Andy and I run a masquerade (that’s *2* MDs working together), we
still usually have a front-of house manager.

The difference is in key focus: the MDs are focussed on the contestants
and the show on the stage, the HM is focussed on the audience in the house.

Even with two MDs, we found one MD can wrangle backstage issues, one MD
can deal with on-stage and judging stuff, and the house manager deals
with the house.

This includes watching for security issues, etc (we almost had to bounce
an audience member at ALA 2007 for heckling. I heard it from my vantage
point and could flag the HM and MC to put a stop to it. Having one of
the MDs go wading into the audience would have been a rather
non-effective use of their talents.

Does that help make it make more sense?

Kevin

osierhenry@cs.com wrote:

>
> In a message dated 4/17/2008 6:55:52 PM Central Daylight Time,
> attrembl@bovil.com <mailto:attrembl%40bovil.com> writes:
> > What does the house manager do?
> > 1. Work with our hotel department to make sure that the house seating
> > is correct before each show
>
> Combo effort with MD, IMHO.
>
> > 2. Ensures the judges’ desk is in position and has enough chairs
>
> Ditto.
>
> > 3. Manages wheelchair seating areas (if necessary)
> > 4. Manages reserved seating areas (if there are any)
> > 5. When the show director and the crews all agree that everything is
> > ready in the house, opens the house doors
> >
> Basically, all ditto
>
> > 6. Coordinates line management/entertainment folks (here’s hoping for
> > no big lines, there are nearly 600 seats in the house)
>
> You might want to consider a separate person for this. Things can get
> busy
> enough inside before the doors open.
>
> I also would suggest that all Masq Staff know where the fire exits
> are, as
> well as fire extinguishers, and what the medical emergency procedure
> is, both in
> the house and around the stage.
>
> Henry Osier
> Chief Spy
> Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1647 From: Byron Connell Date: 4/17/2008
Subject: Re: Last-minute recruiting…

I’ve been a house manager. The house manager needs a staff of ushers to assist in orderly seating of the audience and, if appropriate, distributing masquerade programs.

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: osierhenry@cs.com<mailto:osierhenry@cs.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: chair@cc26.org<mailto:chair@cc26.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Last-minute recruiting…

In a message dated 4/17/2008 6:55:52 PM Central Daylight Time,
attrembl@bovil.com<mailto:attrembl@bovil.com> writes:
> What does the house manager do?
> 1. Work with our hotel department to make sure that the house seating
> is correct before each show

Combo effort with MD, IMHO.

> 2. Ensures the judges’ desk is in position and has enough chairs

Ditto.

> 3. Manages wheelchair seating areas (if necessary)
> 4. Manages reserved seating areas (if there are any)
> 5. When the show director and the crews all agree that everything is
> ready in the house, opens the house doors
>
Basically, all ditto

> 6. Coordinates line management/entertainment folks (here’s hoping for
> no big lines, there are nearly 600 seats in the house)

You might want to consider a separate person for this. Things can get busy
enough inside before the doors open.

I also would suggest that all Masq Staff know where the fire exits are, as
well as fire extinguishers, and what the medical emergency procedure is, both in
the house and around the stage.

Henry Osier
Chief Spy
Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Group: runacc Message: 1648 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 4/17/2008
Subject: Re: Last-minute recruiting…

The House Manager should be responsible for seating, navigation,
basically everything in front of the stage, up to and including
hallway crowd management prior to opening the doors.

House managers generally have ushering staff. Considering the number
of people that are expected for CC26, I wouldn’t feel comfortable with
anything less than 6-8 ushers for each of the events. You’ll need them
to help seat people, and if the entrants are walking through the house
instead of back stage again, to help navigate them to fan photo. And
to watch for those pesky flash cameras because some ditz will think
the rule doesn’t apply to him.

If the House Manager’s doing his/her job right, the MD should be free
to work backstage, dealing with entry/judging issues prior to starting
the show and during halftime as well.

I’ve done the job before, but I don’t know about doing it at CC26. If
things are desperate, I may be available for the Historical and/or the
SF/F but not the Fashion Show (which I think you know already)! 9-)

Just please give me plenty of warning if you decide to use me. I was
planning to pack stuff to watch the show that would be completely
inappropriate for managing the house.

Cheers,

Betsy

On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 8:10 PM, <osierhenry@cs.com> wrote:

> In a message dated 4/17/2008 6:55:52 PM Central Daylight Time,
> attrembl@bovil.com writes:
> > What does the house manager do?
> > 1. Work with our hotel department to make sure that the house seating
> > is correct before each show
>
> Combo effort with MD, IMHO.
>
>
> > 2. Ensures the judges’ desk is in position and has enough chairs
>
> Ditto.
>
>
> > 3. Manages wheelchair seating areas (if necessary)
> > 4. Manages reserved seating areas (if there are any)
> > 5. When the show director and the crews all agree that everything is
> > ready in the house, opens the house doors
> >
> Basically, all ditto
>
>
> > 6. Coordinates line management/entertainment folks (here’s hoping for
> > no big lines, there are nearly 600 seats in the house)
>
> You might want to consider a separate person for this. Things can get busy
> enough inside before the doors open.
>
> I also would suggest that all Masq Staff know where the fire exits are, as
> well as fire extinguishers, and what the medical emergency procedure is,
> both in
> the house and around the stage.
>
> Henry Osier
> Chief Spy
> Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1649 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-con 26 Convention Ch Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: Re: Last-minute recruiting… house manager found
Thanks to everyone who offered their services as House Manager for CC26!

Tadao Tomomatsu (sp?), who is quite familiar with the Doubletree and
with our usual gang of suspects working tech and crew has stepped
forward and volunteered.

He also has no other responsibilities at CC26 (he thought he’d get away
with being a tourist… ha!) which also simplifies things.

Thanks again for your support. See many of you in a couple days!

Kevin

 

Group: runacc Message: 1650 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 4/30/2008
Subject: Re: Last-minute recruiting… house manager found

In a message dated 4/21/2008 6:08:53 PM Central Daylight Time, chair@cc26.org
writes:

> Tadao Tomomatsu (sp?), who is quite familiar with the Doubletree and
> with our usual gang of suspects working tech and crew has stepped
> forward and volunteered.

Where did you find him? He was a super fun guy!

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1551 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/25/2007
Subject: CC25 Brain Dump: Hospitality
Group: runacc Message: 1552 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/25/2007
Subject: More Brain Dump – Friday stuff
Group: runacc Message: 1553 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/26/2007
Subject: Re: CC25 Brain Dump: Hospitality
Group: runacc Message: 1554 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/27/2007
Subject: Re: CC25 Brain Dump: Hospitality
Group: runacc Message: 1555 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/27/2007
Subject: Re: More Brain Dump – CC promotion
Group: runacc Message: 1556 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/27/2007
Subject: CC25 Brain Dump: Dealers rep report
Group: runacc Message: 1557 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/27/2007
Subject: More Brain Dump – Programming part I
Group: runacc Message: 1558 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/27/2007
Subject: Brain dump – Programming part II
Group: runacc Message: 1559 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 5/27/2007
Subject: Re: CC25 Brain Dump: Hospitality
Group: runacc Message: 1560 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/27/2007
Subject: Re: CC25 Brain Dump: Hospitality
Group: runacc Message: 1561 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 5/27/2007
Subject: Re: Brain dump – Programming part II
Group: runacc Message: 1562 From: Tina Date: 5/27/2007
Subject: Re: CC25 Brats
Group: runacc Message: 1563 From: Byron Connell Date: 5/27/2007
Subject: Re: Brain dump – Programming part II
Group: runacc Message: 1564 From: Byron Connell Date: 5/27/2007
Subject: Re: CC25 Brats
Group: runacc Message: 1565 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/27/2007
Subject: Re: Brain dump – Programming part II
Group: runacc Message: 1566 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 5/30/2007
Subject: Re: Brain dump – Programming part II
Group: runacc Message: 1567 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/1/2007
Subject: CC25 Commentary – themed hall awards
Group: runacc Message: 1568 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/1/2007
Subject: Re: CC25 Commentary – themed hall awards
Group: runacc Message: 1569 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/2/2007
Subject: Re: CC25 Commentary – themed hall awards
Group: runacc Message: 1570 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/2/2007
Subject: Re: CC25 Commentary – themed hall awards
Group: runacc Message: 1571 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/6/2007
Subject: More Brain Dump – ICG Promotion
Group: runacc Message: 1572 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/6/2007
Subject: Brain Dump – Green Room notes
Group: runacc Message: 1573 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/6/2007
Subject: Brain dump – masquerades
Group: runacc Message: 1574 From: bruno Date: 6/7/2007
Subject: Re: More Brain Dump – ICG Promotion
Group: runacc Message: 1575 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/7/2007
Subject: Re: More Brain Dump – ICG Promotion
Group: runacc Message: 1576 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/7/2007
Subject: Re: Brain Dump – Green Room notes
Group: runacc Message: 1577 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/7/2007
Subject: Re: Brain Dump – Green Room notes
Group: runacc Message: 1578 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/7/2007
Subject: Re: Brain dump – masquerades
Group: runacc Message: 1579 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/8/2007
Subject: Re: Brain dump – masquerades
Group: runacc Message: 1580 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/8/2007
Subject: Re: Brain dump – masquerades
Group: runacc Message: 1581 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/11/2007
Subject: Re: Brain Dump – Green Room notes
Group: runacc Message: 1582 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/11/2007
Subject: Re: Brain dump – Concom notes
Group: runacc Message: 1583 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 6/12/2007
Subject: More (general) Promotion…
Group: runacc Message: 1584 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/12/2007
Subject: Re: Brain dump – Concom notes
Group: runacc Message: 1585 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/12/2007
Subject: Re: More (general) Promotion…
Group: runacc Message: 1586 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/13/2007
Subject: Re: Brain dump – Concom notes
Group: runacc Message: 1587 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/16/2007
Subject: Archon NASFic newflash
Group: runacc Message: 1588 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-con 26 Convention C Date: 6/16/2007
Subject: Re: Archon NASFic newflash
Group: runacc Message: 1589 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/16/2007
Subject: Re: Archon NASFic newflash
Group: runacc Message: 1590 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/16/2007
Subject: Re: Archon NASFic newflash
Group: runacc Message: 1591 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/16/2007
Subject: Re: Archon NASFic newflash
Group: runacc Message: 1592 From: Marty Gear Date: 6/16/2007
Subject: Re: Archon NASFic newflash
Group: runacc Message: 1593 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/17/2007
Subject: Re: Archon NASFic newflash
Group: runacc Message: 1594 From: Charles Galway Date: 6/17/2007
Subject: Re: Archon NASFic newflash
Group: runacc Message: 1595 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/18/2007
Subject: Re: Archon NASFic newflash
Group: runacc Message: 1596 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/19/2007
Subject: Re: Archon NASFic newflash
Group: runacc Message: 1597 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 6/20/2007
Subject: Re: Archon NASFic newflash
Group: runacc Message: 1598 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 6/21/2007
Subject: Re: Archon NASFic newflash
Group: runacc Message: 1599 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 8/1/2007
Subject: What’s wrong with this webpage?
Group: runacc Message: 1600 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 8/1/2007
Subject: Re: What’s wrong with this webpage?

 


 

Group: runacc Message: 1551 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/25/2007
Subject: CC25 Brain Dump: Hospitality
Hospitality notes:

Henry, bless his heart, sponsored the Suite luncheon, which was nice, but he overbought the brats by a huge margin. Not sure where he got an estimated figure of 275 attendees, but he bought one for every person he thought would be there. First of all, we thought we’d be lucky to have 235 actual on-site members over the entire weekend. But we only had maybe 1/3 of that number on Friday. I would recommend on any given night with real food, 50% of the estimated total for one day is still probably too many, but that’s just me. My philosophy is that it’s better to run out, rather than be stuck with a lot of wasted food.

Our Hostess, Genie Hillen, had these notes:

She was more careful not to overbuy on supplies – at CC16, we had a lot of soda leftover, among other things. Fortunately, she was able to take some of it back to where she bought it, that time.

People appreciated having bottled water in the Suite, even though the hotel had water stations set up in the Concourse. Having real protein instead of just sugar and salty snacks was a hit (toasted ravioli). We served them a lot over the weekend, and we apparently still had too many.

Large plastic glasses for drinks were unnecessary – everyone just drank from their cans.

Although we’re certainly not advocating feeding the entire con, there’s something to be said with providing at least some breakfast-y kinds of things for staffers to run in and eat. It saved a lot of time not having to go somewhere outside the hotel.

We wound up donating a bunch of leftover food to a local convention’s Hospitality Suite a couple of weeks after CC. Good thing, too – they apparently didn’t have much. It probably bought the Guild some good PR, and they acknowledged the donation during their opening ceremonies.

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Group: runacc Message: 1552 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/25/2007
Subject: More Brain Dump – Friday stuff
ICG meeting

Once again, having the ICG meeting on Friday is much better than on Monday. We heartily recommend that future concoms continue to schedule it on that day.

=================

Friday Night Social Notes:

There was some disagreement, but an interesting observation was made by someone on the D list about the abundance of tables and chairs in the ballroom. Having so many of them may’ve contributed to newbie “wallflowers”: not knowing anyone, they sort of sat in one place didn’t mix as much. People who are sitting down may seem less approachable.

Perhaps a few less tables and/or chairs might have been a good idea. At least that way, more people would have had to share a table.

Everybody always has this thing about having to have chocolate, but it was cheesecake people made for first. “Buy about 20 – 30 more desserts than you think you need”.

It goes without saying that music adds to the atmosphere of the FNS. I tried to appeal to the different generations of costumers present. A dance can work if the music is right, without much “dead air” in between. The music I mixed seemed to work, but since it was just playing off a CD, there were 2-3 seconds of nothing between cuts.

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Group: runacc Message: 1553 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/26/2007
Subject: Re: CC25 Brain Dump: Hospitality

In a message dated 5/25/2007 10:48:35 PM Central Daylight Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> Henry, bless his heart, sponsored the Suite luncheon, which was nice, but
> he overbought the brats by a huge margin. Not sure where he got an estimated
> figure of 275 attendees,

Actually, I figured 250. With one brat per person, that would have worked out
perfect.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1554 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/27/2007
Subject: Re: CC25 Brain Dump: Hospitality

It would have been easier on your pocket book if you’d checked with us for what our current count was before the con – I don’t think we’d even broken 200 when you were about to make your buy.

As for one brat per attendee – unless yoou’d plannned to server those all weekend, (not something you mentioned), not all 200+ attendees were going to be there on Friday. They never are.

Bruce

Bruce

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From: osierhenry@cs.com
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] CC25 Brain Dump: Hospitality

In a message dated 5/25/2007 10:48:35 PM Central Daylight Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:
> Henry, bless his heart, sponsored the Suite luncheon, which was nice, but
> he overbought the brats by a huge margin. Not sure where he got an estimated
> figure of 275 attendees,
Actually, I figured 250. With one brat per person, that would have worked out
perfect.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1555 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/27/2007
Subject: Re: More Brain Dump – CC promotion
Promotion

We had a number of giveaways as tools for con promotion: Wooden coins with the con logo and the website – redeemable for a prize at the con was the first idea. The hand fans and hall awards for other conventions were some others. I even produced a promotional VCD to hand out to interested parties. How effective any of them actually were at bringing in people, I can’t say. I think they were pretty cool, and they certainly made impressions as far as good will is concerned, but given how small the con was, I have my doubts about any actual impact they made. Oh, and we did have flyers distributed at other cons.

(Note: The VCD featured a music video of past CC performances, plus some clips of some representative presentations, followed by contact info about CC25. I would be happy to produce a more generic VCD that concoms can copy and give to anyone who might be interested. They play on most DVD players, but they were intended to be viewed on a computer.)

Giving away free memberships at cons with a hotbed of costuming activity is, on the whole, a good promotional tool. We found it helped by bringing in more room nights, because some winners had to bring their family along. So, I don’t know that giving away large numbers of memberships is necessarily advantageous – other than maybe pumping up your on-site numbers. You also should keep in mind that if you’re giving away memberships, you’re supposedly giving them Progress Reports, Program Books, goodie bag schwag, etc. And if your freebies don’t show up for the con, you’re on the hook for the postage to mail all that stuff to them – unless you choose not to, but that would seem sort of poopy.

Our best promotional tool would undoubtedly be the CC25 website. I don’t think anyone can argue that it was the most thorough website to date. Nora tried to anticipate every question people might ask and had a page for just about every topic – and created new ones within a week or so if necessary. She provided a site map so that people could find info by topic. Of coure, there were still people too lazy to actually look for some things and asked anyway. They were then directed to that page. And then there were some who people asked for answers not pertaining to the con that could be found by spending less than 2 minutes doing a Google search. Seriously.

Obviously, the D list is still the prime venue for getting news out there. I would say, though, that, despite putting your info on your website and the D list and everywhere else, expect people to still ask questions because somehow, they managed not to pay attention. Some people are so clueless that they practically need a verbal mallet between the eyes.

I’m very proud of the fact that we had at least a tentative schedule of panels posted well in advance of the con. This not only gave an idea to people of what to expect, but built anticipation of the event. Buzz is good. If you can get that info out there, it might bring in initially casual browsers. So get your programmer to work with your website person, if you can.

Nora actively sought out content from Staff, sometimes providing it herself (or having me write it) when certain people couldn’t seem to provide anything on a timely basis. A few staff didn’t seem to understand that it is good to come up with something new and/or different from the Progress Reports and vice versa, even if you’re just re-writing the same info.

As we’ve acknowledged on the list, we need to reach out to the anime community and get them interested in coming to the con. A number of us did just that, by joining one of the biggest cosplay sites, www.cosplay.com. I think it’s worth it for some representative of each con (and bids, for that matter), to be on the forums, to communicate with these people. I can’t say for certain that it benefited us to any great degree – traffic on the CC25 forum topics was fairly light. But that could just be in our case. I would think CC26 might actually have a bigger audience, since they’re bound to have more cosplayers in their market, anyway. The same is potentially true for the East Coast cons. With those people being younger, and probably fewer sources, this slice of the CC demographic will be even less likely to travel beyond their own region. Of course, I say this while recognizing that we had the potential of bringing down people from the Chicago/Anime Central area, but that didn’t happen. So, your mileage may vary.

We made a good first impression on all our visiting cosplayers, and several of them are fairly influential in their own circles. They’d already been spreading the word about the ICG, and now they’ll spread the word on CC. If we (the costuming community) want to be able to tap into this large market, future concoms need to make sure they have someone on staff who’s willing to do the legwork to communicate via the cosplay forums. >This is vital.< And CC26, if it manages to bring in more cosplayers than we did, will be ground zero for making the best impression on the most cosplayers in the near future. Everyone will need to be as “in your face” friendly as possible. That’s what we did, and it paid off.

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Group: runacc Message: 1556 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/27/2007
Subject: CC25 Brain Dump: Dealers rep report
Do not wait for inquiries to come to you – seek dealers out. Keep in touch with prospects if you’ve done this before. By repeatedly contacting potential dealers who were interested (but not yet buying tables) and iff-ish (interested, but non-committal), she finally got commitments from most of the ones she wanted. And she got a firm “No” for others, so she could stop pursuing them. Ramona said, “Even though it’s tempting to blow off dealer prospects who don’t say ‘Yes” or ‘No’ right away, keep following up with them. They’re more inclined to sign with someone who takes the time to communicate with them than someone who doesn’t.”

Be prepared for not having many dealers signing up until maybe 6 months or less before the con. And expect a number of literally last minute inquiries.

We were hurt some when Janet could not come, and Poison Press had to back out, but the dealers room seemed to be of interest, if a bit small. We would have liked to have had more variety, but the quality of a dealers room is always at the mercy of the economy and who’s willing to come.

Have at least one “”to die for” dealer. Apparently the trim guy, who happens to be local for us, was a hit.

Ramona said, “Ensure that dealers get food and drink regularly, if available” (I don’t think that means the con should feed them, though).

Having coffee setups for the dealers was apparently appreciated.

The dealers liked the fact that the room opened and closed on time. Apparently, this is rare, much to our surprise.

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Group: runacc Message: 1557 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/27/2007
Subject: More Brain Dump – Programming part I
A lot of notes here. Take away from it what you will.

Overall, our attendees seemed pleased with what we offered, considering that Pierre and I had to scramble when our original Programming person had to back out due to projected finances at the time (however, that person came to the con, after all).

Either I’m getting jaded or I’ve just not been as interested in a significant percentage of panels that have been scheduled in the last decade or so of CCs. Granted, some of the problem probably came from cons having to use whatever people are willing to volunteer to do. If my experience is the norm, then don’t rely on volunteering – go out and find the people, come up with your own ideas. And – get started a lot sooner than Pierre and I were able to do.

So, since I had the opportunity, we tried to schedule topics I know that I’d want to see, suggestions off the D list, and mixed in the old standards that folks always shows up for (wings, armor, embroidery, etc), as well as panels volunteered. In an attempt to draw the anime costumers again (like at CC24), we set aside an entire track dedicated to that group that would also have crossover appeal to others. This was a pretty successful endeavor – all of our panels of this type were very well attended, and not just by the anime crowd. However, I do have a few notes I want to pass on to the list that folks should be aware of.

The most important recommendation I have is to make sure you have someone in the cosplay community, or knows it well enough, to set up or make panels those people would like. I know this won’t be a problem for CC26, but I don’t know about the others. Neither Pierre nor I had the contacts necessary, so we enlisted Aurora Celeste to program our anime track. What she did get for us was very good – however, we had a few issues, and I don’t know if this is representative or not – you be the judge.

First – possibly not her fault – the speaker list for those various panels kept changing. She probably got a lot of interest in coming to the con, but we noticed that many of the names she submitted for panelists either never registered or waited until they arrived at the con. This was frustrating for us from a scheduling standpoint. More concerning to was that she suddenly disappeared off the radar closer to the con and did not answer emails. This left Pierre and me at loose ends, not knowing how much anime programming we were going to have. Not sure what happened there and I didn’t question her about it at the con. Not having a full track turned out to be a boon, though, as we were tight on space for some panels that had to be scheduled according to some speaker availability. So, our satisfaction with Ms. Celeste is a mixed bag. Should you enlist her help, keep this in mind.

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Group: runacc Message: 1558 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/27/2007
Subject: Brain dump – Programming part II
I should note first that it was not an effort just by Pierre and me – Nora and Sherril and Sandy were big helps in getting most of the schedule conflicts resolved by working with a spreadsheet. Having a team do Programming made the work a lot easier.

Panels that worked:

Sheila Lenkman’s garment construction panels were practically SRO, and people would have liked to have seen even more. Marvin Moehle’s panels on Folk costume were found to be very interesting to a small sub-set of costumers.

Many people in Robin Netherton’s panels on Saturday said they loved the info they got from them. Robin had proposed a financial deal to us that made it affordable for her to come to the con and speak, based on her projected draw for her lectures and how it might benefit CC25. To her credit she got out there and promote the convention in her circles. I will tell you, though, that Robin did not draw as many people as she believed she would. So, I cannot in good faith say she was entirely worth the deal we made for her services. Nora will give you the numbers soon.

Other panels that worked very well: Embroidery, Wings (duh), the anime-related panels, Pierre’s judging panel.

The after-masquerade Show and Tell panels were hits as well. We stole this directly from Sheila at Archon. The main thing there is that they have to be tightly moderated so people don’t drone on and on about their costumes.

If anyone’s interested, I can probably find out what panels were only moderately successful.

Panels that didn’t work for whatever reason: “Meet Our Free Membership Winners”, the NASFic info panel, the “Costuming as Performance Art” panel, and the Archives panel. I think these were just too specific and didn’t have enough appeal to a wide audience.

Our cancellations were few, and pretty much before the con even started, so we could adjust accrodingly.

Since one of the main points of the convention is to share knowledge, I tried to follow up on suggestions that more handouts should be available. Pierre can probably speak more on this, as to how successful we were in this endeavor – he was collecting any printed matter panelists were giving out. We had a few inquiries (and one demand) about printing up those handouts. Maybe it’s just me, but I didn’t think the con should have to pay for them. Maybe I’m being cheap – I dunno.

We had a few requests for a digital projector and a laptop in order for panelists to do their presentation. I thought this was ridiculous to expect a con to pay these rentals – printed matter would work just as well. As it happened, Pierre happened to have a digital projector, and I think Aurora or a friend came up with a laptop. But I expect future concoms will get similar requests for accomodation. We also got a request to provide dye buckets and tarps for the fabric dying workshop, by the way.

To avoid unrealistic expectations of what a con will provide, perhaps the Programming Staff needs to set a policy up front, so they don’t get surprised after panels have been scheduled.

One thing we’ve heard from younger con-goers is that they’d like to see more demos and workshops. They’re not as interested in “talking head” lectures – that’s why they also want handouts. I can see their point – you can forget a lot, but if you have handouts, or can actually see a technique, it’s going to stay in memory. Looking back, past cons are usually heavy on lectures, mainly because demos and workshops can be time and convenience problems.

Taking a note from the anime cons, we experimented with encouraging free-form “meetups” of special interest groups. The few we had were reasonably successful, but heavily dependent on the interest. We just had a white board where people could write messages to organize a meet-up and let them sort it out themselves.

I took it as a compliment that we had too many good panels for people to see them all. That having been said, though, I think reprising some very popular panels during the weekend might be worth exploring, if you can talk the panelists into it. This would allow attendees to catch what they missed, and you have one less idea you may have to come up with for a panel.

I, for one, am not in favor of lunch breaks, necessarily, except maybe on Sunday.

There was some discussion on the D list about keeping people on time with their panels. My assumption has been that most people have been considerate, but if this is changing somehow, then maybe the Programmer does need to give each panel a 5 minute warning to wrap up. I don’t think that making panels 45 minutes long is the answer, nor weird time lengths like an hour and 15 minutes. Maybe the key is just to make sure there is a strong moderator for each panel, but you can’t always rely on that. Just my opinion.

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Group: runacc Message: 1559 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 5/27/2007
Subject: Re: CC25 Brain Dump: Hospitality

And, may I add, not everyone likes brats…

A safer bet might have been half that number at least, with a promise to
run out to the store if needed for more.

I know I never got one. Neither (to my knowledge) did Dan or the girls.

Sorry!

Betsy

Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> It would have been easier on your pocket book if you’d checked with us for what our current count was before the con – I don’t think we’d even broken 200 when you were about to make your buy.
>
> As for one brat per attendee – unless yoou’d plannned to server those all weekend, (not something you mentioned), not all 200+ attendees were going to be there on Friday. They never are.
>
> Bruce
>
>
> Bruce
> —– Original Message —–
> From: osierhenry@cs.com
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 8:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [runacc] CC25 Brain Dump: Hospitality
>
>
> In a message dated 5/25/2007 10:48:35 PM Central Daylight Time,
> casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:
> > Henry, bless his heart, sponsored the Suite luncheon, which was nice, but
> > he overbought the brats by a huge margin. Not sure where he got an estimated
> > figure of 275 attendees,
> Actually, I figured 250. With one brat per person, that would have worked out
> perfect.
>
> Henry
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
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Betsy Delaney

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Group: runacc Message: 1560 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/27/2007
Subject: Re: CC25 Brain Dump: Hospitality

In a message dated 5/27/2007 4:18:57 PM Central Daylight Time,
bdelaney@hawkeswood.com writes:

> And, may I add, not everyone likes brats…
>

Bratwurst are VERY Milwaukee, though. Thanks to our large German population.

> A safer bet might have been half that number at least, with a promise to
> run out to the store if needed for more.
>

Those were not your run of the mill average grocery store brats. Those were
made by a small butcher shop here in town, were precooked and nitrate free.
They cost me a dollar each, by the way.

> I know I never got one. Neither (to my knowledge) did Dan or the girls.
>

I’m sorry to here that! Are you coming in for Archon/NASFIC by chance?

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1561 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 5/27/2007
Subject: Re: Brain dump – Programming part II

[The following is my own personal opinion, subject to change with good,
reasoned conversation. Your mileage may vary. Taxes, tags and licensing
extra. Et cetera and so forth…]

I’m taking most of the points in this message as presented, but the one
below, I think, may deserve a little more exploration.

First, I’ve always been told I was responsible for making my own
handouts. That sort of information should be included in the invitation
from the con to the program participant. Invitations should be in
writing (email or snail), so that everything is spelled out clearly.

It makes sense to me that the program head should be responsible for
identifying panels, populating the panels, ensuring those participants
are notified and confirmed, collecting bios, and then making sure the
panels are going on as expected during the con. It’s a very intense job,
especially with coordinating all the schedules, materials needed, and
last minute issues.

Unfortunately, there are panelists who don’t pay attention to time, even
under the best of circumstances. I think it’s a good idea to have a
timekeeper who’s available to give the high sign that wrap up is
necessary because time’s almost up.

I think that no matter how good the moderator is (if, indeed, he/she has
a watch at all), when a panel gets going and intense, it’s very hard to
remember to check the time all the time. I’m easily distracted and I
sometimes wander all over the map in conversation. I’m not the only one.

What I noted in re the only panel I was on: not one of us on the panel
knew who the moderator was. As a result, it was hard for us to know
precisely what our topic meant or how we should approach it. One of us
ran off into technical specs so detailed she made the group as a whole
glaze over. Without a moderator, we had no way of getting back on
whatever track we thought we might be on.

As a panelist, I like to have a clear understanding of what I’m
presenting. Cool titles may make the panel sound interesting to the
listener, but if the giver isn’t sure what’s supposed to happen, chaos
might ensue, which may not give anyone either a clear understanding of
the topic or any sense of confidence in the information being shared.

I know (now) that there were issues with the programming. Not having a
continuity between each con com sometimes serves to keep the possible
pitfalls from being passed on. I’m glad this list exists for the purpose
of dumping data post-con, so that others might learn and take heed if
necessary.

And one more thing, not related to the above: I think Show and Tell
panels ought to be mandatory. I *ALWAYS* learn stuff I didn’t know about
when I attend them, and you never know what will show up.

Post masquerade wrap-ups also ought to be mandatory, and they should
include the tech crew as well as the MD and judges.

Cheers,

Betsy

Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> There was some discussion on the D list about keeping people on time with their panels. My assumption has been that most people have been considerate, but if this is changing somehow, then maybe the Programmer does need to give each panel a 5 minute warning to wrap up. I don’t think that making panels 45 minutes long is the answer, nor weird time lengths like an hour and 15 minutes. Maybe the key is just to make sure there is a strong moderator for each panel, but you can’t always rely on that. Just my opinion.



Betsy Delaney

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Group: runacc Message: 1562 From: Tina Date: 5/27/2007
Subject: Re: CC25 Brats

Unfortunately, Henry, brats are not to everyone’s taste (not to mention the heartburn afterwards!). I had one, and I can vouch for the heartburn.

Tina

—– Original Message —–
From: osierhenry@cs.com<mailto:osierhenry@cs.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] CC25 Brain Dump: Hospitality

In a message dated 5/25/2007 10:48:35 PM Central Daylight Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net<mailto:casamai@sbcglobal.net> writes:
> Henry, bless his heart, sponsored the Suite luncheon, which was nice, but
> he overbought the brats by a huge margin. Not sure where he got an estimated
> figure of 275 attendees,
Actually, I figured 250. With one brat per person, that would have worked out
perfect.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1563 From: Byron Connell Date: 5/27/2007
Subject: Re: Brain dump – Programming part II

Giving the panel a five-minute warning is a good thing, not a bad thing. When I have been a panel moderator, I have greatly appreciated a five-minute working, both because I may have lost track of the time and because I could use it to cut off further questions or discussion.

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: Bruce & Nora Mai<mailto:casamai@sbcglobal.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 12:56 PM
Subject: [runacc] Brain dump – Programming part II

I should note first that it was not an effort just by Pierre and me – Nora and Sherril and Sandy were big helps in getting most of the schedule conflicts resolved by working with a spreadsheet. Having a team do Programming made the work a lot easier.

Panels that worked:

Sheila Lenkman’s garment construction panels were practically SRO, and people would have liked to have seen even more. Marvin Moehle’s panels on Folk costume were found to be very interesting to a small sub-set of costumers.

Many people in Robin Netherton’s panels on Saturday said they loved the info they got from them. Robin had proposed a financial deal to us that made it affordable for her to come to the con and speak, based on her projected draw for her lectures and how it might benefit CC25. To her credit she got out there and promote the convention in her circles. I will tell you, though, that Robin did not draw as many people as she believed she would. So, I cannot in good faith say she was entirely worth the deal we made for her services. Nora will give you the numbers soon.

Other panels that worked very well: Embroidery, Wings (duh), the anime-related panels, Pierre’s judging panel.

The after-masquerade Show and Tell panels were hits as well. We stole this directly from Sheila at Archon. The main thing there is that they have to be tightly moderated so people don’t drone on and on about their costumes.

If anyone’s interested, I can probably find out what panels were only moderately successful.

Panels that didn’t work for whatever reason: “Meet Our Free Membership Winners”, the NASFic info panel, the “Costuming as Performance Art” panel, and the Archives panel. I think these were just too specific and didn’t have enough appeal to a wide audience.

Our cancellations were few, and pretty much before the con even started, so we could adjust accrodingly.

Since one of the main points of the convention is to share knowledge, I tried to follow up on suggestions that more handouts should be available. Pierre can probably speak more on this, as to how successful we were in this endeavor – he was collecting any printed matter panelists were giving out. We had a few inquiries (and one demand) about printing up those handouts. Maybe it’s just me, but I didn’t think the con should have to pay for them. Maybe I’m being cheap – I dunno.

We had a few requests for a digital projector and a laptop in order for panelists to do their presentation. I thought this was ridiculous to expect a con to pay these rentals – printed matter would work just as well. As it happened, Pierre happened to have a digital projector, and I think Aurora or a friend came up with a laptop. But I expect future concoms will get similar requests for accomodation. We also got a request to provide dye buckets and tarps for the fabric dying workshop, by the way.

To avoid unrealistic expectations of what a con will provide, perhaps the Programming Staff needs to set a policy up front, so they don’t get surprised after panels have been scheduled.

One thing we’ve heard from younger con-goers is that they’d like to see more demos and workshops. They’re not as interested in “talking head” lectures – that’s why they also want handouts. I can see their point – you can forget a lot, but if you have handouts, or can actually see a technique, it’s going to stay in memory. Looking back, past cons are usually heavy on lectures, mainly because demos and workshops can be time and convenience problems.

Taking a note from the anime cons, we experimented with encouraging free-form “meetups” of special interest groups. The few we had were reasonably successful, but heavily dependent on the interest. We just had a white board where people could write messages to organize a meet-up and let them sort it out themselves.

I took it as a compliment that we had too many good panels for people to see them all. That having been said, though, I think reprising some very popular panels during the weekend might be worth exploring, if you can talk the panelists into it. This would allow attendees to catch what they missed, and you have one less idea you may have to come up with for a panel.

I, for one, am not in favor of lunch breaks, necessarily, except maybe on Sunday.

There was some discussion on the D list about keeping people on time with their panels. My assumption has been that most people have been considerate, but if this is changing somehow, then maybe the Programmer does need to give each panel a 5 minute warning to wrap up. I don’t think that making panels 45 minutes long is the answer, nor weird time lengths like an hour and 15 minutes. Maybe the key is just to make sure there is a strong moderator for each panel, but you can’t always rely on that. Just my opinion.

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Group: runacc Message: 1564 From: Byron Connell Date: 5/27/2007
Subject: Re: CC25 Brats

On the other d/i/g/e/s/t/i/v/e track, I had two and enjoyed them both! However, I liked the ravs best of all!

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: Tina<mailto:connell-t1@verizon.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] CC25 Brats

Unfortunately, Henry, brats are not to everyone’s taste (not to mention the heartburn afterwards!). I had one, and I can vouch for the heartburn.

Tina

—– Original Message —–
From: osierhenry@cs.com<mailto:osierhenry@cs.com><mailto:osierhenry@cs.com<mailto:osierhenry@cs.com>>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com><mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>>
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] CC25 Brain Dump: Hospitality

In a message dated 5/25/2007 10:48:35 PM Central Daylight Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net<mailto:casamai%40sbcglobal.net><mailto:casamai@sbcglobal.net<mailto:casamai%40sbcglobal.net>> writes:
> Henry, bless his heart, sponsored the Suite luncheon, which was nice, but
> he overbought the brats by a huge margin. Not sure where he got an estimated
> figure of 275 attendees,
Actually, I figured 250. With one brat per person, that would have worked out
perfect.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1565 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/27/2007
Subject: Re: Brain dump – Programming part II

I’ll agree, Pierre and I probably didn’t give much thought to the whole moderator issue. We’re used to a more free-form panel, but maybe that doesn’t work so well in a CC environment.

Re: your comments on handouts – I thought Pierre was asking panelists to bring them along, since he was the point-man on contacts. HOpefully, he can confirm this was done. I also left descriptions of said what we wanted from panels up to him as well. I’ll let him comment on that.

Another good thing about the show ‘n’ tells is that they’re an opportunity for feedback in a relaxed atmosphere. Having one’s peers gushing over something they liked is sometimes more satisfying than the audience reaction.

Bruce

—– Original Message —–
From: Betsy Delaney
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Brain dump – Programming part II

[The following is my own personal opinion, subject to change with good,
reasoned conversation. Your mileage may vary. Taxes, tags and licensing
extra. Et cetera and so forth…]

I’m taking most of the points in this message as presented, but the one
below, I think, may deserve a little more exploration.

First, I’ve always been told I was responsible for making my own
handouts. That sort of information should be included in the invitation
from the con to the program participant. Invitations should be in
writing (email or snail), so that everything is spelled out clearly.

It makes sense to me that the program head should be responsible for
identifying panels, populating the panels, ensuring those participants
are notified and confirmed, collecting bios, and then making sure the
panels are going on as expected during the con. It’s a very intense job,
especially with coordinating all the schedules, materials needed, and
last minute issues.

Unfortunately, there are panelists who don’t pay attention to time, even
under the best of circumstances. I think it’s a good idea to have a
timekeeper who’s available to give the high sign that wrap up is
necessary because time’s almost up.

I think that no matter how good the moderator is (if, indeed, he/she has
a watch at all), when a panel gets going and intense, it’s very hard to
remember to check the time all the time. I’m easily distracted and I
sometimes wander all over the map in conversation. I’m not the only one.

What I noted in re the only panel I was on: not one of us on the panel
knew who the moderator was. As a result, it was hard for us to know
precisely what our topic meant or how we should approach it. One of us
ran off into technical specs so detailed she made the group as a whole
glaze over. Without a moderator, we had no way of getting back on
whatever track we thought we might be on.

As a panelist, I like to have a clear understanding of what I’m
presenting. Cool titles may make the panel sound interesting to the
listener, but if the giver isn’t sure what’s supposed to happen, chaos
might ensue, which may not give anyone either a clear understanding of
the topic or any sense of confidence in the information being shared.

I know (now) that there were issues with the programming. Not having a
continuity between each con com sometimes serves to keep the possible
pitfalls from being passed on. I’m glad this list exists for the purpose
of dumping data post-con, so that others might learn and take heed if
necessary.

And one more thing, not related to the above: I think Show and Tell
panels ought to be mandatory. I *ALWAYS* learn stuff I didn’t know about
when I attend them, and you never know what will show up.

Post masquerade wrap-ups also ought to be mandatory, and they should
include the tech crew as well as the MD and judges.

Cheers,

Betsy

Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> There was some discussion on the D list about keeping people on time with their panels. My assumption has been that most people have been considerate, but if this is changing somehow, then maybe the Programmer does need to give each panel a 5 minute warning to wrap up. I don’t think that making panels 45 minutes long is the answer, nor weird time lengths like an hour and 15 minutes. Maybe the key is just to make sure there is a strong moderator for each panel, but you can’t always rely on that. Just my opinion.



Betsy Delaney

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Group: runacc Message: 1566 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 5/30/2007
Subject: Re: Brain dump – Programming part II

At 10:40 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote:

>I’ll agree, Pierre and I probably didn’t give much thought to the
>whole moderator issue. We’re used to a more free-form panel, but
>maybe that doesn’t work so well in a CC environment.
>
>Re: your comments on handouts – I thought Pierre was asking
>panelists to bring them along, since he was the point-man on
>contacts. HOpefully, he can confirm this was done. I also left
>descriptions of said what we wanted from panels up to him as well.
>I’ll let him comment on that.

I did, though I didn’t explicitly say each panelist was responsible
for making their own handouts. I think I got most of the ones
available, though I haven’t had time to sort through them.

Pierre

>Another good thing about the show ‘n’ tells is that they’re an
>opportunity for feedback in a relaxed atmosphere. Having one’s peers
>gushing over something they liked is sometimes more satisfying than
>the audience reaction.
>
>Bruce
>
>—– Original Message —–
>From: Betsy Delaney
>To: <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>runacc@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:01 PM
>Subject: Re: [runacc] Brain dump – Programming part II
>
>[The following is my own personal opinion, subject to change with good,
>reasoned conversation. Your mileage may vary. Taxes, tags and licensing
>extra. Et cetera and so forth…]
>
>I’m taking most of the points in this message as presented, but the one
>below, I think, may deserve a little more exploration.
>
>First, I’ve always been told I was responsible for making my own
>handouts. That sort of information should be included in the invitation
>from the con to the program participant. Invitations should be in
>writing (email or snail), so that everything is spelled out clearly.
>
>It makes sense to me that the program head should be responsible for
>identifying panels, populating the panels, ensuring those participants
>are notified and confirmed, collecting bios, and then making sure the
>panels are going on as expected during the con. It’s a very intense job,
>especially with coordinating all the schedules, materials needed, and
>last minute issues.
>
>Unfortunately, there are panelists who don’t pay attention to time, even
>under the best of circumstances. I think it’s a good idea to have a
>timekeeper who’s available to give the high sign that wrap up is
>necessary because time’s almost up.
>
>I think that no matter how good the moderator is (if, indeed, he/she has
>a watch at all), when a panel gets going and intense, it’s very hard to
>remember to check the time all the time. I’m easily distracted and I
>sometimes wander all over the map in conversation. I’m not the only one.
>
>What I noted in re the only panel I was on: not one of us on the panel
>knew who the moderator was. As a result, it was hard for us to know
>precisely what our topic meant or how we should approach it. One of us
>ran off into technical specs so detailed she made the group as a whole
>glaze over. Without a moderator, we had no way of getting back on
>whatever track we thought we might be on.
>
>As a panelist, I like to have a clear understanding of what I’m
>presenting. Cool titles may make the panel sound interesting to the
>listener, but if the giver isn’t sure what’s supposed to happen, chaos
>might ensue, which may not give anyone either a clear understanding of
>the topic or any sense of confidence in the information being shared.
>
>I know (now) that there were issues with the programming. Not having a
>continuity between each con com sometimes serves to keep the possible
>pitfalls from being passed on. I’m glad this list exists for the purpose
>of dumping data post-con, so that others might learn and take heed if
>necessary.
>
>And one more thing, not related to the above: I think Show and Tell
>panels ought to be mandatory. I *ALWAYS* learn stuff I didn’t know about
>when I attend them, and you never know what will show up.
>
>Post masquerade wrap-ups also ought to be mandatory, and they should
>include the tech crew as well as the MD and judges.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Betsy
>
>Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
>
> > There was some discussion on the D list about keeping people on
> time with their panels. My assumption has been that most people
> have been considerate, but if this is changing somehow, then maybe
> the Programmer does need to give each panel a 5 minute warning to
> wrap up. I don’t think that making panels 45 minutes long is the
> answer, nor weird time lengths like an hour and 15 minutes. Maybe
> the key is just to make sure there is a strong moderator for each
> panel, but you can’t always rely on that. Just my opinion.
>
>–
>–
>Betsy Delaney

“Those Who Fail To Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly —
Why They Are Simply Doomed.

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C.Y. 4971

Andromeda

 

Group: runacc Message: 1567 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/1/2007
Subject: CC25 Commentary – themed hall awards
We wanted a lot of Hall Costumes at CC 25 & we got them!
In addition to the general awards throughout the weekend we promoted
two special themed hall award competitions which apparently got
peoples’ attention. All special costumes were also eligible for the
general awards which I think surprised people.
I sponsored the Saturday Pirate Hall Costume contest and we had dozens
of pirates of every kind! It was very successful.
The Sunday “Orange” competition was sponsored by Larry & Ramona and
was also very well received. Honestly I wasn’t sure how people would
react to that one but there were a number of participants; it was
pretty amusing.

Conclusion: I think people enjoyed having a theme to aim at. I’m sure
it made for more hall costumes than we might have had.

Nora

 

Group: runacc Message: 1568 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/1/2007
Subject: Re: CC25 Commentary – themed hall awards

Heck – my pirate hall costume was the *only* costume I presented that
weekend that was anywhere near finished, besides Katie’s SF/F entry.

Erin found an orange top at Once Upon a Child that fit her – she decided
not to wear her orange dress as a result!

I did get a group shot of about a dozen orange hall costume entries, but
I haven’t had the time to upload any of the photos I took. If I get a
bit of time in the next several weeks, I’ll get them up and send a pointer.

Cheers,

Betsy

Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> I sponsored the Saturday Pirate Hall Costume contest and we had dozens
> of pirates of every kind! It was very successful.

> The Sunday “Orange” competition was sponsored by Larry & Ramona and
> was also very well received. Honestly I wasn’t sure how people would
> react to that one but there were a number of participants; it was
> pretty amusing.

> Nora



Betsy Delaney

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Group: runacc Message: 1569 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/2/2007
Subject: Re: CC25 Commentary – themed hall awards

Or maybe load them to the new galleries for the ICG? They’re getting close to ready & it’d be great to have something besides our stuff when it goes live.

Nora

—– Original Message —–
From: Betsy Delaney
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] CC25 Commentary – themed hall awards

Heck – my pirate hall costume was the *only* costume I presented that
weekend that was anywhere near finished, besides Katie’s SF/F entry.

Erin found an orange top at Once Upon a Child that fit her – she decided
not to wear her orange dress as a result!

I did get a group shot of about a dozen orange hall costume entries, but
I haven’t had the time to upload any of the photos I took. If I get a
bit of time in the next several weeks, I’ll get them up and send a pointer.

Cheers,

Betsy

Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> I sponsored the Saturday Pirate Hall Costume contest and we had dozens
> of pirates of every kind! It was very successful.

> The Sunday “Orange” competition was sponsored by Larry & Ramona and
> was also very well received. Honestly I wasn’t sure how people would
> react to that one but there were a number of participants; it was
> pretty amusing.

> Nora



Betsy Delaney

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Group: runacc Message: 1570 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/2/2007
Subject: Re: CC25 Commentary – themed hall awards

Entirely possible. It’s a good thought!

I mentioned to Karen that she might consider making a “fan” space for CC
photos, but it was in passing without any real details.

I mean to finish the last of the work this weekend. If I’m really lucky,
I’ll get it all done this afternoon. After that? Dunno.

Cheers,

Betsy

Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> Or maybe load them to the new galleries for the ICG? They’re getting close to ready & it’d be great to have something besides our stuff when it goes live.
>
> Nora



Betsy Delaney

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Group: runacc Message: 1571 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/6/2007
Subject: More Brain Dump – ICG Promotion
Promotion – ICG

I think the Guild could benefit from a strong promotion presence at CC. I’m not sure what form that should take – having a traveling road show of the Archives might be one idea. On a local level, at CC16, our “Jeff Table”, which was the SLCG merchandise, welcome wagon and other function table, worked quite well – this time, it was not successful. No memberships were sold, nor was there very much merchandise sold. Either things have changed, or we failed in getting people’s attention.

In any case, the problem always is you have to have people willing to do the work.

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Group: runacc Message: 1572 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/6/2007
Subject: Brain Dump – Green Room notes
Surprisingly, people seemed to like the fact that we had three separate green rooms. Our GR chief had thought it was a bad idea, until we gave her the feedback. Two different perspectives: from a logistics standpoint, it might have made it harder for her, but contestants loved it.

She chose not to have any protein among the backstage snacks, on her own assertions that she would not want “greasy foods” near her costumes. While I understand her thinking, I don’t agree with that decision, as we had some people wanting something other than sugar (I can’t remember, but I think we were light on vegetable matter, due to the hotel catering costs).

No one seemed to mind that there was not backstage feed.

Having the photographer in his own room, rather than sharing with one of the Green Rooms, worked very well.

The notes below came directly from our head of the Green Room in her own words.

More than a year before the convention, when no one else would
volunteer for the job, I decided that I could probably handle it, and
used CC24 and Archon to work backstage and observe Green room details.
From this and my own use of them, I observed that every other green
room arrangement uses a single large space, with a single controllable
entrance, and a single logical spot for a repair table and makeup
station. Snack and water set-ups, strong coat racks, and full length
mirrors are important, especially at a CC. I conferred with Sheila about
Archon’s methods and borrowed some equipment.

Most of these preparations were completely wasted. Our hotel layout
required us to use three small rooms, each with 2 doors, for green
rooms, and a fourth for photography. Access through narrow hallways was
difficult for people in large costumes or on scooters. Each room already
had a large coat rack and a sink and counter- this was a plus. It was
necessary to plan for three snack set-ups, three mirrors and three times
the signage. When we needed only 2 of the rooms, I placed the third
mirror by the entrance to backstage, to give contestants one last look
at themselves- I saw several people take advantage of this.

Since they could only be in one room, the extensive makeup and repair
kits were very little used. Multiple rooms required more time than
allotted to set up, and contestants arrived too early. They had to be
lined up in order, and could not be allowed to settle in the wrong room,
so the full preparation of the multiple rooms simply never happened. As
it turns out, 2 volunteers at 4 would have been more useful than 10
volunteers at 6.

The most important technical item needed by a green room person is an
accurate running list of entries, their titles, and the number of people
in the entry. This is critical. If you are going to use a den system,
you must be able to divide people into roughly equal dens in their
running order ASAP in the day. NOTE: If you have to use multiple rooms
for your green room **DO NOT USE DENS** Divide your entrants into equal
groups between your rooms, and assign helpers to each room. I ended up
doing this for the Fashion show and Historical. Much simpler- just be
sure everyone knows their order number.Oddly enough, many comments were
made that our contestants seemed to LIKE the small green rooms- said
they were more “intimate”. Go Figure.

Our biggest problem in the green room area was information flow. The
opening time for the area was not in the programs, and was not told to
contestants when they registered, so they arrived too early, and through
the wrong doors, making it hard to find people and check them in. I
would ideally have liked to have had an Archon-style all contestant
meeting to make announcements and give a tour of the layout. I could at
that time have checked the names on my running lists. Lacking that, a
FAQ sheet and map, with complete instructions that our many newcomers
seriously needed, would have been extremely useful– to them and us.

I spent large amounts of time on Saturday tracking down a complete
running list to assist our preparation of the awards. The list I was
given had blanks for 4 entries, missing or incomplete casts, and large
numbers of misspelled words. I believe this was due to allowing the
contestants to make entries into a laptop, and accepting their entries
as accurate. A newcomer does not necessarily know what is important to
record, or what organizers need- they must be told. The information
should be entered for them, and then checked for spelling.

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Group: runacc Message: 1573 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/6/2007
Subject: Brain dump – masquerades
Both went smoothly, from what our Masq Directors report. Our tech folks suggest that more time be scheduled for masquerade rehearsals – at least for the SF & F. Having only 10 minutes per entry was not quite enough time when there is only a 4-hour block scheduled. That’s only 6 rehearsals per hour, presuming no problems or time-hogs. Scheduling 15 minutes for each entry is better. Also, factor in breaks for the crew during the this block and before the shows.

Concoms: it’s a nice gesture to feed the crew on Saturday – they might not have time to get out to dinner. Some tasty pizzas make them very happy and remembered.

Question: Who’s responsible for where the Workmanship judges are set up? This was apparently a detail that fell between the cracks between the SF & F director and the Green Room co-ordinator, and led to a bit of initial consternation.

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Group: runacc Message: 1574 From: bruno Date: 6/7/2007
Subject: Re: More Brain Dump – ICG Promotion

Back when I used to promote the local guild at local cons, I used to put out two different flyers. One with the local chapter info and artwork and another with general ICG info and the Glitiziana logo. I’d put out the same of each flyer and count how many were left. The Glitziana flyers always disappeared faster than the local guild flyers.

Michael

> ——-Original Message——-
> From: Bruce & Nora Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: [runacc] More Brain Dump – ICG Promotion
> Sent: 06 Jun ’07 17:57
>
> Promotion – ICG
>
> I think the Guild could benefit from a strong promotion presence at CC.
> I’m not sure what form that should take – having a traveling road show of
> the Archives might be one idea. On a local level, at CC16, our “Jeff
> Table”, which was the SLCG merchandise, welcome wagon and other function
> table, worked quite well – this time, it was not successful. No
> memberships were sold, nor was there very much merchandise sold. Either
> things have changed, or we failed in getting people’s attention.
>
> In any case, the problem always is you have to have people willing to do
> the work.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1575 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/7/2007
Subject: Re: More Brain Dump – ICG Promotion

bruno wrote:

> Back when I used to promote the local guild at local cons, I used to put out two different flyers. One with the local chapter info and artwork and another with general ICG info and the Glitiziana logo. I’d put out the same of each flyer and count how many were left. The Glitziana flyers always disappeared faster than the local guild flyers.
>

Karen Heim and I were talking a little (but not enough, probably) about
tri-folds. Our CC26 tri-folds have a nearly-blank panel with Acrobat
form fields on it so we can print coupon codes without redoing the whole
tri-fold. My suggestion was to do an ICG tri-fold with “fill in the
blank” spaces for chapter name, address, website, and a few lines of
description.

No reason we couldn’t do the same thing with chapter fliers or use the
blank space in other ways…

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1576 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/7/2007
Subject: Re: Brain Dump – Green Room notes

I appreciate Cathy’s comments, concerns, and frustration.

There are relatively non-greasy sources of protein that can generally be regarded as safe for consumption in the green room, just as there are very messy veggies and sources of sugar to eschew.

“If you have to use multiple green rooms, do not use dens.” In effect, each room is a den. It would need a den mom and one or more mother’s helpers to assist.

In my experience, giving the official photographer a dedicated space outside the green room has many advantages. It is my preference.

I agree that entrants should not enter their own information in the data base. for the Historical, I used paper forms (based on CC 24) and a staff member entered the information into the data base.

Information flow: As a masquerade director, I had no idea that the green room manager wanted an opportunity for an all-entrants meeting. I would have been happy to require one of the Historical’s entrants (in addition to tech rehearsal and pre-judging). Once committed to participating, entrants pretty much have to be where the MD wants them at the time the MD wants them there.

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: Bruce & Nora Mai<mailto:casamai@sbcglobal.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 9:00 PM
Subject: [runacc] Brain Dump – Green Room notes

Surprisingly, people seemed to like the fact that we had three separate green rooms. Our GR chief had thought it was a bad idea, until we gave her the feedback. Two different perspectives: from a logistics standpoint, it might have made it harder for her, but contestants loved it.

She chose not to have any protein among the backstage snacks, on her own assertions that she would not want “greasy foods” near her costumes. While I understand her thinking, I don’t agree with that decision, as we had some people wanting something other than sugar (I can’t remember, but I think we were light on vegetable matter, due to the hotel catering costs).

No one seemed to mind that there was not backstage feed.

Having the photographer in his own room, rather than sharing with one of the Green Rooms, worked very well.

The notes below came directly from our head of the Green Room in her own words.

More than a year before the convention, when no one else would
volunteer for the job, I decided that I could probably handle it, and
used CC24 and Archon to work backstage and observe Green room details.
From this and my own use of them, I observed that every other green
room arrangement uses a single large space, with a single controllable
entrance, and a single logical spot for a repair table and makeup
station. Snack and water set-ups, strong coat racks, and full length
mirrors are important, especially at a CC. I conferred with Sheila about
Archon’s methods and borrowed some equipment.

Most of these preparations were completely wasted. Our hotel layout
required us to use three small rooms, each with 2 doors, for green
rooms, and a fourth for photography. Access through narrow hallways was
difficult for people in large costumes or on scooters. Each room already
had a large coat rack and a sink and counter- this was a plus. It was
necessary to plan for three snack set-ups, three mirrors and three times
the signage. When we needed only 2 of the rooms, I placed the third
mirror by the entrance to backstage, to give contestants one last look
at themselves- I saw several people take advantage of this.

Since they could only be in one room, the extensive makeup and repair
kits were very little used. Multiple rooms required more time than
allotted to set up, and contestants arrived too early. They had to be
lined up in order, and could not be allowed to settle in the wrong room,
so the full preparation of the multiple rooms simply never happened. As
it turns out, 2 volunteers at 4 would have been more useful than 10
volunteers at 6.

The most important technical item needed by a green room person is an
accurate running list of entries, their titles, and the number of people
in the entry. This is critical. If you are going to use a den system,
you must be able to divide people into roughly equal dens in their
running order ASAP in the day. NOTE: If you have to use multiple rooms
for your green room **DO NOT USE DENS** Divide your entrants into equal
groups between your rooms, and assign helpers to each room. I ended up
doing this for the Fashion show and Historical. Much simpler- just be
sure everyone knows their order number.Oddly enough, many comments were
made that our contestants seemed to LIKE the small green rooms- said
they were more “intimate”. Go Figure.

Our biggest problem in the green room area was information flow. The
opening time for the area was not in the programs, and was not told to
contestants when they registered, so they arrived too early, and through
the wrong doors, making it hard to find people and check them in. I
would ideally have liked to have had an Archon-style all contestant
meeting to make announcements and give a tour of the layout. I could at
that time have checked the names on my running lists. Lacking that, a
FAQ sheet and map, with complete instructions that our many newcomers
seriously needed, would have been extremely useful– to them and us.

I spent large amounts of time on Saturday tracking down a complete
running list to assist our preparation of the awards. The list I was
given had blanks for 4 entries, missing or incomplete casts, and large
numbers of misspelled words. I believe this was due to allowing the
contestants to make entries into a laptop, and accepting their entries
as accurate. A newcomer does not necessarily know what is important to
record, or what organizers need- they must be told. The information
should be entered for them, and then checked for spelling.

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Group: runacc Message: 1577 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/7/2007
Subject: Re: Brain Dump – Green Room notes

I heartily agree with Byron’s comments. I entered the information into the
computer myself,, except in 2 instances – one of those was my daughter, who
can’t spell to save her life (much like her father). She covered for me so
I could take a much needed potty break.

The running order was ready as quickly as I could manage it, and tech
required multiple copies first, to do the rehearsals. I apologize for the
inconvenience.

Since the repair table, etc were in a separate room, an announcement to the
contestants should be enough to let them know their location. On the other
hand, perhaps CC entrants are more prepared to handle their own repairs than
SF con entrants. Just a thought.

Elaine

Nil significat nisi oscillat!

>I appreciate Cathy’s comments, concerns, and frustration.
>
>There are relatively non-greasy sources of protein that can generally be
>regarded as safe for consumption in the green room, just as there are very
>messy veggies and sources of sugar to eschew.
>
>”If you have to use multiple green rooms, do not use dens.” In effect,
>each room is a den. It would need a den mom and one or more mother’s
>helpers to assist.
>
>In my experience, giving the official photographer a dedicated space
>outside the green room has many advantages. It is my preference.
>
>I agree that entrants should not enter their own information in the data
>base. for the Historical, I used paper forms (based on CC 24) and a staff
>member entered the information into the data base.
>
>Information flow: As a masquerade director, I had no idea that the green
>room manager wanted an opportunity for an all-entrants meeting. I would
>have been happy to require one of the Historical’s entrants (in addition to
>tech rehearsal and pre-judging). Once committed to participating, entrants
>pretty much have to be where the MD wants them at the time the MD wants
>them there.
>
>Byron
>

>
> Surprisingly, people seemed to like the fact that we had three separate
>green rooms. Our GR chief had thought it was a bad idea, until we gave her
>the feedback. Two different perspectives: from a logistics standpoint, it
>might have made it harder for her, but contestants loved it.
>
> She chose not to have any protein among the backstage snacks, on her own
>assertions that she would not want “greasy foods” near her costumes. While
>I understand her thinking, I don’t agree with that decision, as we had some
>people wanting something other than sugar (I can’t remember, but I think we
>were light on vegetable matter, due to the hotel catering costs).
>
> No one seemed to mind that there was not backstage feed.
>
> Having the photographer in his own room, rather than sharing with one of
>the Green Rooms, worked very well.
>
> The notes below came directly from our head of the Green Room in her own
>words.
>
> More than a year before the convention, when no one else would
> volunteer for the job, I decided that I could probably handle it, and
> used CC24 and Archon to work backstage and observe Green room details.
> From this and my own use of them, I observed that every other green
> room arrangement uses a single large space, with a single controllable
> entrance, and a single logical spot for a repair table and makeup
> station. Snack and water set-ups, strong coat racks, and full length
> mirrors are important, especially at a CC. I conferred with Sheila about
> Archon’s methods and borrowed some equipment.
>
> Most of these preparations were completely wasted. Our hotel layout
> required us to use three small rooms, each with 2 doors, for green
> rooms, and a fourth for photography. Access through narrow hallways was
> difficult for people in large costumes or on scooters. Each room already
> had a large coat rack and a sink and counter- this was a plus. It was
> necessary to plan for three snack set-ups, three mirrors and three times
> the signage. When we needed only 2 of the rooms, I placed the third
> mirror by the entrance to backstage, to give contestants one last look
> at themselves- I saw several people take advantage of this.
>
> Since they could only be in one room, the extensive makeup and repair
> kits were very little used. Multiple rooms required more time than
> allotted to set up, and contestants arrived too early. They had to be
> lined up in order, and could not be allowed to settle in the wrong room,
> so the full preparation of the multiple rooms simply never happened. As
> it turns out, 2 volunteers at 4 would have been more useful than 10
> volunteers at 6.
>
> The most important technical item needed by a green room person is an
> accurate running list of entries, their titles, and the number of people
> in the entry. This is critical. If you are going to use a den system,
> you must be able to divide people into roughly equal dens in their
> running order ASAP in the day. NOTE: If you have to use multiple rooms
> for your green room **DO NOT USE DENS** Divide your entrants into equal
> groups between your rooms, and assign helpers to each room. I ended up
> doing this for the Fashion show and Historical. Much simpler- just be
> sure everyone knows their order number.Oddly enough, many comments were
> made that our contestants seemed to LIKE the small green rooms- said
> they were more “intimate”. Go Figure.
>
> Our biggest problem in the green room area was information flow. The
> opening time for the area was not in the programs, and was not told to
> contestants when they registered, so they arrived too early, and through
> the wrong doors, making it hard to find people and check them in. I
> would ideally have liked to have had an Archon-style all contestant
> meeting to make announcements and give a tour of the layout. I could at
> that time have checked the names on my running lists. Lacking that, a
> FAQ sheet and map, with complete instructions that our many newcomers
> seriously needed, would have been extremely useful– to them and us.
>
> I spent large amounts of time on Saturday tracking down a complete
> running list to assist our preparation of the awards. The list I was
> given had blanks for 4 entries, missing or incomplete casts, and large
> numbers of misspelled words. I believe this was due to allowing the
> contestants to make entries into a laptop, and accepting their entries
> as accurate. A newcomer does not necessarily know what is important to
> record, or what organizers need- they must be told. The information
> should be entered for them, and then checked for spelling.
>

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Group: runacc Message: 1578 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/7/2007
Subject: Re: Brain dump – masquerades

I support the use of 15-minute blocks for tech rehearsals. That’s what I used for the Historical at both 24 and 25. We never ran late. In fact, we ran early both times. At 25, at one point we were 30 minutes ahead of schedule and had to wait for entrants to arrive at their appointed times. Does this suggest that the blocks should be 12 1/2 minutes long?! (I don’t think so.)

Food. At Philcon, the cost of food for the tech crew is included in the masquerade budget.

The Historical doesn’t have separate workmanship judging. However, at CC’s, Worldcons, and regional masquerades, as a green room manager I have assumed that workmanship judging would be either in or immediately adjacent to the green room, since it has to be proximate to where the entrants are located before they go on stage. My preference would be to have the workmanship judge(s) and clerk at a station adjacent to the green room rather than in it. Either way, workmanship judging needs very good lighting as well as a place to take notes.

Byron

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From: Bruce & Nora Mai<mailto:casamai@sbcglobal.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 9:03 PM
Subject: [runacc] Brain dump – masquerades

Both went smoothly, from what our Masq Directors report. Our tech folks suggest that more time be scheduled for masquerade rehearsals – at least for the SF & F. Having only 10 minutes per entry was not quite enough time when there is only a 4-hour block scheduled. That’s only 6 rehearsals per hour, presuming no problems or time-hogs. Scheduling 15 minutes for each entry is better. Also, factor in breaks for the crew during the this block and before the shows.

Concoms: it’s a nice gesture to feed the crew on Saturday – they might not have time to get out to dinner. Some tasty pizzas make them very happy and remembered.

Question: Who’s responsible for where the Workmanship judges are set up? This was apparently a detail that fell between the cracks between the SF & F director and the Green Room co-ordinator, and led to a bit of initial consternation.

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Group: runacc Message: 1579 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/8/2007
Subject: Re: Brain dump – masquerades

15 minute rehearsal slots would be ideal! However, with a four hour
schedule, we would have to limit the show to 16 entries. OTHH, we could use
all of Saturday for rehearsals, cutting off registration on Friday night.
Since we had very few people register on Sat., that does not seem like much
of a problem. And we did have a break for showers and food before the show.
I insist upon this.

Lunacon sends out for Pizza or Chinese for the tech crew for dinner before
the show.

I favor a spot out of the green room but nearby for workmanship judging, but
that often depends on the available space. At this past Lunacon, the concom
put the green room in a very unfavorable location, and we had to scramble
for a nook to have workmanship judging in. The location of the nook was
determined by myself and the green room director, Byron, who had an enormous
challenge with the whole space. He had a green room, hall and stairs!! My
point is, we have to make the best of what we are given.

Elaine

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> Both went smoothly, from what our Masq Directors report. Our tech folks
>suggest that more time be scheduled for masquerade rehearsals – at least
>for the SF & F. Having only 10 minutes per entry was not quite enough time
>when there is only a 4-hour block scheduled. That’s only 6 rehearsals per
>hour, presuming no problems or time-hogs. Scheduling 15 minutes for each
>entry is better. Also, factor in breaks for the crew during the this block
>and before the shows.
>
> Concoms: it’s a nice gesture to feed the crew on Saturday – they might
>not have time to get out to dinner. Some tasty pizzas make them very happy
>and remembered.
>
> Question: Who’s responsible for where the Workmanship judges are set up?
>This was apparently a detail that fell between the cracks between the SF &
>F director and the Green Room co-ordinator, and led to a bit of initial
>consternation.

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Group: runacc Message: 1580 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/8/2007
Subject: Re: Brain dump – masquerades

Elaine Mami wrote:

> 15 minute rehearsal slots would be ideal! However, with a four hour
> schedule, we would have to limit the show to 16 entries. OTHH, we could use
> all of Saturday for rehearsals, cutting off registration on Friday night.
> Since we had very few people register on Sat., that does not seem like much
> of a problem. And we did have a break for showers and food before the show.
> I insist upon this.
>
> Lunacon sends out for Pizza or Chinese for the tech crew for dinner before
> the show.
>
> I favor a spot out of the green room but nearby for workmanship judging, but
> that often depends on the available space. At this past Lunacon, the concom
> put the green room in a very unfavorable location, and we had to scramble
> for a nook to have workmanship judging in. The location of the nook was
> determined by myself and the green room director, Byron, who had an enormous
> challenge with the whole space. He had a green room, hall and stairs!! My
> point is, we have to make the best of what we are given.
>
> Elaine
>
> Nil significat nisi oscillat!
>
>
>
>
>> Both went smoothly, from what our Masq Directors report. Our tech folks
>> suggest that more time be scheduled for masquerade rehearsals – at least
>> for the SF & F. Having only 10 minutes per entry was not quite enough time
>> when there is only a 4-hour block scheduled. That’s only 6 rehearsals per
>> hour, presuming no problems or time-hogs. Scheduling 15 minutes for each
>> entry is better. Also, factor in breaks for the crew during the this block
>> and before the shows.
>>

In Chicago we did 5 10 minute slots per hour, with a 10 minute “catch
up” empty slot at the end of each hour. Had the stage been ready on
time, we would have had plenty of rehearsal slots; as it was the crew
did a great job of running rehearsals quickly to make up for lost time.

We repeated that schedule at Anime Los Angeles for “early judging/photo”
sessions (i.e. get your workmanship judging in the afternoon instead of
in the green room, and with the size of the show, having a third of the
folks take an afternoon slot made everything work beautifully). The
schedule never slid more than 10 minutes, and at the beginning of each
hour it was back on schedule.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1581 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/11/2007
Subject: Re: Brain Dump – Green Room notes

We’re all pretty much used to the Archon model for doing things here. I suspect Cathy made leaps of assumption that she ought to know better about, given she’s been going to these as long as we have.

As I htink I implied, I didn’t necessarily agree with her on some of her choices of green room foods for the grease factor. Potato chips certainly qualify as greasy!

Bruce

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From: Byron Connell
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Brain Dump – Green Room notes

I appreciate Cathy’s comments, concerns, and frustration.

There are relatively non-greasy sources of protein that can generally be regarded as safe for consumption in the green room, just as there are very messy veggies and sources of sugar to eschew.

“If you have to use multiple green rooms, do not use dens.” In effect, each room is a den. It would need a den mom and one or more mother’s helpers to assist.

In my experience, giving the official photographer a dedicated space outside the green room has many advantages. It is my preference.

I agree that entrants should not enter their own information in the data base. for the Historical, I used paper forms (based on CC 24) and a staff member entered the information into the data base.

Information flow: As a masquerade director, I had no idea that the green room manager wanted an opportunity for an all-entrants meeting. I would have been happy to require one of the Historical’s entrants (in addition to tech rehearsal and pre-judging). Once committed to participating, entrants pretty much have to be where the MD wants them at the time the MD wants them there.

Byron

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From: Bruce & Nora Mai<mailto:casamai@sbcglobal.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 9:00 PM
Subject: [runacc] Brain Dump – Green Room notes

Surprisingly, people seemed to like the fact that we had three separate green rooms. Our GR chief had thought it was a bad idea, until we gave her the feedback. Two different perspectives: from a logistics standpoint, it might have made it harder for her, but contestants loved it.

She chose not to have any protein among the backstage snacks, on her own assertions that she would not want “greasy foods” near her costumes. While I understand her thinking, I don’t agree with that decision, as we had some people wanting something other than sugar (I can’t remember, but I think we were light on vegetable matter, due to the hotel catering costs).

No one seemed to mind that there was not backstage feed.

Having the photographer in his own room, rather than sharing with one of the Green Rooms, worked very well.

The notes below came directly from our head of the Green Room in her own words.

More than a year before the convention, when no one else would
volunteer for the job, I decided that I could probably handle it, and
used CC24 and Archon to work backstage and observe Green room details.
From this and my own use of them, I observed that every other green
room arrangement uses a single large space, with a single controllable
entrance, and a single logical spot for a repair table and makeup
station. Snack and water set-ups, strong coat racks, and full length
mirrors are important, especially at a CC. I conferred with Sheila about
Archon’s methods and borrowed some equipment.

Most of these preparations were completely wasted. Our hotel layout
required us to use three small rooms, each with 2 doors, for green
rooms, and a fourth for photography. Access through narrow hallways was
difficult for people in large costumes or on scooters. Each room already
had a large coat rack and a sink and counter- this was a plus. It was
necessary to plan for three snack set-ups, three mirrors and three times
the signage. When we needed only 2 of the rooms, I placed the third
mirror by the entrance to backstage, to give contestants one last look
at themselves- I saw several people take advantage of this.

Since they could only be in one room, the extensive makeup and repair
kits were very little used. Multiple rooms required more time than
allotted to set up, and contestants arrived too early. They had to be
lined up in order, and could not be allowed to settle in the wrong room,
so the full preparation of the multiple rooms simply never happened. As
it turns out, 2 volunteers at 4 would have been more useful than 10
volunteers at 6.

The most important technical item needed by a green room person is an
accurate running list of entries, their titles, and the number of people
in the entry. This is critical. If you are going to use a den system,
you must be able to divide people into roughly equal dens in their
running order ASAP in the day. NOTE: If you have to use multiple rooms
for your green room **DO NOT USE DENS** Divide your entrants into equal
groups between your rooms, and assign helpers to each room. I ended up
doing this for the Fashion show and Historical. Much simpler- just be
sure everyone knows their order number.Oddly enough, many comments were
made that our contestants seemed to LIKE the small green rooms- said
they were more “intimate”. Go Figure.

Our biggest problem in the green room area was information flow. The
opening time for the area was not in the programs, and was not told to
contestants when they registered, so they arrived too early, and through
the wrong doors, making it hard to find people and check them in. I
would ideally have liked to have had an Archon-style all contestant
meeting to make announcements and give a tour of the layout. I could at
that time have checked the names on my running lists. Lacking that, a
FAQ sheet and map, with complete instructions that our many newcomers
seriously needed, would have been extremely useful– to them and us.

I spent large amounts of time on Saturday tracking down a complete
running list to assist our preparation of the awards. The list I was
given had blanks for 4 entries, missing or incomplete casts, and large
numbers of misspelled words. I believe this was due to allowing the
contestants to make entries into a laptop, and accepting their entries
as accurate. A newcomer does not necessarily know what is important to
record, or what organizers need- they must be told. The information
should be entered for them, and then checked for spelling.

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Group: runacc Message: 1582 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/11/2007
Subject: Re: Brain dump – Concom notes
Concom notes

Dana Hinterleitner and DJ Mestel’s work on con signage was a quantum leap beyond anything we’ve seen a conventions. They definitely raised the bar to a height that will be hard to match. Other cons, including our regional (and this year’s NASFic) were taking notes and photos. Maybe if I think of it, I’ll post them somewhere so those who were unable to attend can see them – they’re really top notch.

In addition to the banners, there was the very cool kiosk (with a big, movable “Today” sign on top) with panel programming printed in nice big type, which our attendees really liked. The only complaints about signage was that it wasn’t always clear what room had what programming, even though there was a schedule posted outside each function room. It could be the room names were somewhat covered by the posted schedules.

We really lucked out here: Dana is a graphic artist by profession, and DJ had some nifty tools to produce the banners that hung from the concourse skylights. They got a lot of their materials and access to tools for free, keeping expenditures down in the low $300 range. If we hadn’t had these two folks, the signage would have cost probably three times that much. But, let’s be honest – we wouldn’t have paid that much, in any case.

Dana was in Ops at her computer quite a bit of the time Friday, making last minute signage updates, and additional ones we hadn’t thought of. Never having worked as a con staffer before, she was a real trouper.

We had fairly few staff issues. Most of the SLCG have been friends for a long time, so we know each other fairly well. There was still a bit of a problem with one person who apparently didn’t think through a lot of logistics for the Shoe competition. She couldn’t tell me how many awards she might need, she didn’t stick around to make sure the display was put away at night, etc. She was depending on someone else (me, mostly, I guess), to take care of these details. She didn’t ask about them. I realize I should have followed up on this, but it bugged the heck out of me that I should have to. Because she’s a friend, though, I didn’t think I could come down too hard on her.

She doesn’t have email access. The fact that she doesn’t answer her phone in a timely manner when a message was left didn’t help, either. I recommend that it should be required that all con staffers have some sort of email access, these days.

As Co-chair, I accepted that I wouldn’t be able to enjoy much of the con as I would have liked. Obviously, one should be available to answer questions.

Pierre and I both wound up filling in where there were details overlooked – helping in the green room, getting food for the tech crew when they didn’t have time to do it themselves, making sure the staff had everything they needed, etc. I spent a lot of time walking around – no time for relaxing.

Kudos have to be given to Kerry Gilley. I can’t remember if he had originally volunteered to be Fan Photographer ( which looking back now, we didn’t need), but he stepped up when our original Official Photographer had to back out. He was very polite, he actively sought out people in the halls to get their pictures, and was very conciencious. He’s apparently been trying to get more important photography positions at cons, and this was his first big break. As a result, he has produced the largest folio of photos for a CC to date: 1300 pictures.

A lot of us are used to having to wait weeks or several months to get official con photos. The Web is making it a lot easier, faster – and even more importantly cheaper — to get them now, with services like Flickr and others. While his 5 CD package is a really good deal, we urged him to investigate these services as an alternative delivery system, which should make get him more work. Almost everyone was pleaed with the photos. Granted, maybe some of the shots were off center slighlty, but they coudl be corrected with a little cropping. This was his first major gig. He’ll learn. We would recommend him as a con photographer, so long as he learns a bit more about Windows Vista in the meantime. He ahd some problems with it as he was storing and accessing the photos that the shot because he’d just bought the laptop he was using.

While Carl was our official videographer, people appreciated having Sue and Eric there selling the DVDs on site the next day, and at reasonable prices. The precedent was set at CC24 for a quicker turn around for both photos and DVDs, and people will begin expect this to be the norm at future CCs soon, I suspect.

Nora served as both our Treasurer and Membership Co-ordinator. We recommend strongly that this combination of responsibilities be assigned to the same person in future. It made for tight records keeping before and at the con. She can cite a number of anecdotes where her memory of who was pre-registered came in handy.

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Group: runacc Message: 1583 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 6/12/2007
Subject: More (general) Promotion…
I’m going to start posting a “picture-a-day” from the CC archives on
<http://community.livejournal.com/costume_con/>. I’ve set up a little
spreadsheet that helps me randomly select a picture from F&SF,
Historical, Future Fashion and, if they exist, Doll and Single
Pattern competition.

Each picture-a-day will include:
•a link to the visual archives page
•the entry information
•any awards won
•the photographer’s information (if available)

No, I haven’t included the other competitions, it took about 45
minutes to build the spreadsheet with just the three required and two
relatively regular competitions.

No, there may not be a picture every day, at least on days that I
don’t have internet access or am swamped. If you want to help with
the posting, though, talk to me.

Yes, if you would like to post the “picture-a-day” on other Ccostume-
Con related online services (like, say, the Costume-Con mySpace) I
can put you on a mailing list to get the information in advance.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1584 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/12/2007
Subject: Re: Brain dump – Concom notes

1. Dana’s signs were awesome!

2. The con chair is there to work, not to have fun. (So there!)

3. Kerry did an excellent job as official photographer. He deserves greater recognition and employment.

Byron

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From: Bruce & Nora Mai<mailto:casamai@sbcglobal.net>
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Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 11:09 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Brain dump – Concom notes

Concom notes

Dana Hinterleitner and DJ Mestel’s work on con signage was a quantum leap beyond anything we’ve seen a conventions. They definitely raised the bar to a height that will be hard to match. Other cons, including our regional (and this year’s NASFic) were taking notes and photos. Maybe if I think of it, I’ll post them somewhere so those who were unable to attend can see them – they’re really top notch.

In addition to the banners, there was the very cool kiosk (with a big, movable “Today” sign on top) with panel programming printed in nice big type, which our attendees really liked. The only complaints about signage was that it wasn’t always clear what room had what programming, even though there was a schedule posted outside each function room. It could be the room names were somewhat covered by the posted schedules.

We really lucked out here: Dana is a graphic artist by profession, and DJ had some nifty tools to produce the banners that hung from the concourse skylights. They got a lot of their materials and access to tools for free, keeping expenditures down in the low $300 range. If we hadn’t had these two folks, the signage would have cost probably three times that much. But, let’s be honest – we wouldn’t have paid that much, in any case.

Dana was in Ops at her computer quite a bit of the time Friday, making last minute signage updates, and additional ones we hadn’t thought of. Never having worked as a con staffer before, she was a real trouper.

We had fairly few staff issues. Most of the SLCG have been friends for a long time, so we know each other fairly well. There was still a bit of a problem with one person who apparently didn’t think through a lot of logistics for the Shoe competition. She couldn’t tell me how many awards she might need, she didn’t stick around to make sure the display was put away at night, etc. She was depending on someone else (me, mostly, I guess), to take care of these details. She didn’t ask about them. I realize I should have followed up on this, but it bugged the heck out of me that I should have to. Because she’s a friend, though, I didn’t think I could come down too hard on her.

She doesn’t have email access. The fact that she doesn’t answer her phone in a timely manner when a message was left didn’t help, either. I recommend that it should be required that all con staffers have some sort of email access, these days.

As Co-chair, I accepted that I wouldn’t be able to enjoy much of the con as I would have liked. Obviously, one should be available to answer questions.

Pierre and I both wound up filling in where there were details overlooked – helping in the green room, getting food for the tech crew when they didn’t have time to do it themselves, making sure the staff had everything they needed, etc. I spent a lot of time walking around – no time for relaxing.

Kudos have to be given to Kerry Gilley. I can’t remember if he had originally volunteered to be Fan Photographer ( which looking back now, we didn’t need), but he stepped up when our original Official Photographer had to back out. He was very polite, he actively sought out people in the halls to get their pictures, and was very conciencious. He’s apparently been trying to get more important photography positions at cons, and this was his first big break. As a result, he has produced the largest folio of photos for a CC to date: 1300 pictures.

A lot of us are used to having to wait weeks or several months to get official con photos. The Web is making it a lot easier, faster – and even more importantly cheaper — to get them now, with services like Flickr and others. While his 5 CD package is a really good deal, we urged him to investigate these services as an alternative delivery system, which should make get him more work. Almost everyone was pleaed with the photos. Granted, maybe some of the shots were off center slighlty, but they coudl be corrected with a little cropping. This was his first major gig. He’ll learn. We would recommend him as a con photographer, so long as he learns a bit more about Windows Vista in the meantime. He ahd some problems with it as he was storing and accessing the photos that the shot because he’d just bought the laptop he was using.

While Carl was our official videographer, people appreciated having Sue and Eric there selling the DVDs on site the next day, and at reasonable prices. The precedent was set at CC24 for a quicker turn around for both photos and DVDs, and people will begin expect this to be the norm at future CCs soon, I suspect.

Nora served as both our Treasurer and Membership Co-ordinator. We recommend strongly that this combination of responsibilities be assigned to the same person in future. It made for tight records keeping before and at the con. She can cite a number of anecdotes where her memory of who was pre-registered came in handy.

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Group: runacc Message: 1585 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/12/2007
Subject: Re: More (general) Promotion…

Noticed it – very cool!

Thanks!

Betsy

Andrew T Trembley wrote:

> I’m going to start posting a “picture-a-day” from the CC archives on
> <http://community.livejournal.com/costume_con/>. I’ve set up a little
> spreadsheet that helps me randomly select a picture from F&SF,
> Historical, Future Fashion and, if they exist, Doll and Single
> Pattern competition.
>
> Each picture-a-day will include:
> •a link to the visual archives page
> •the entry information
> •any awards won
> •the photographer’s information (if available)
>
> No, I haven’t included the other competitions, it took about 45
> minutes to build the spreadsheet with just the three required and two
> relatively regular competitions.
>
> No, there may not be a picture every day, at least on days that I
> don’t have internet access or am swamped. If you want to help with
> the posting, though, talk to me.
>
> Yes, if you would like to post the “picture-a-day” on other Ccostume-
> Con related online services (like, say, the Costume-Con mySpace) I
> can put you on a mailing list to get the information in advance.
>
> andy
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>



Betsy Delaney

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Group: runacc Message: 1586 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/13/2007
Subject: Re: Brain dump – Concom notes

In a message dated 6/12/2007 6:51:35 PM Central Daylight Time,
bpconnell@verizon.net writes:

> 1. Dana’s signs were awesome!
>

Ditto!

> 2. The con chair is there to work, not to have fun. (So there!)

Double ditto!

>
> 3. Kerry did an excellent job as official photographer. He deserves greater
> recognition and employment.
>
>

Hmmm. I have been giving him serious consideration.

Henry Osier
Chief Spy
Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010
www.CC28.org
View the latest Intell: http://agent-milw.livejournal.com/
Questions?: http://community.livejournal.com/costume_con_28/

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Group: runacc Message: 1587 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/16/2007
Subject: Archon NASFic newflash
Even though the subject is about Archon, this could easily filter down to CC.

Just got off the phone with Sheila, and apparently AASCAP is going after cons other than Dragon Con. Now, maybe it’s only because Archon is hosting NASFic, but maybe not. The fees being charged aren’t awful – apparently around $200, but if the bastards are going after the masquerades, it may be only a matter of time before CCs appear on their radar. One hopes that if they’re going to do this, they charge according to the size of the con. So you may want to start figuring in some allowance.

Bruce

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Group: runacc Message: 1588 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-con 26 Convention C Date: 6/16/2007
Subject: Re: Archon NASFic newflash

We already have a line item in our budget for an AASCAP performance
license (which is what is required for our type of use).

And, I’m somewhat proud to say, it’s been there since day one, long
before the Dragon Con fiasco happened.

Kevin

Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

>
> Even though the subject is about Archon, this could easily filter down
> to CC.
>
> Just got off the phone with Sheila, and apparently AASCAP is going
> after cons other than Dragon Con. Now, maybe it’s only because Archon
> is hosting NASFic, but maybe not. The fees being charged aren’t awful
> – apparently around $200, but if the bastards are going after the
> masquerades, it may be only a matter of time before CCs appear on
> their radar. One hopes that if they’re going to do this, they charge
> according to the size of the con. So you may want to start figuring in
> some allowance.
>
> Bruce
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1589 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/16/2007
Subject: Re: Archon NASFic newflash

Kevin Roche, Costume-con 26 Convention Chair wrote:

> We already have a line item in our budget for an AASCAP performance
> license (which is what is required for our type of use).
>
> And, I’m somewhat proud to say, it’s been there since day one, long
> before the Dragon Con fiasco happened.
>

We learned this from the L.A.con folks; Craig Miller works in the biz
and the LA conventions (and all Worldcons) have had licenses for years.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1590 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/16/2007
Subject: Re: Archon NASFic newflash

Kevin Roche, Costume-con 26 Convention Chair wrote:

> We already have a line item in our budget for an AASCAP performance
> license (which is what is required for our type of use).
>
> And, I’m somewhat proud to say, it’s been there since day one, long
> before the Dragon Con fiasco happened.
>

We learned this from the L.A.con folks; Craig Miller works in the biz
and the LA conventions (and all Worldcons) have had licenses for years.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1591 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/16/2007
Subject: Re: Archon NASFic newflash

I was under the impression that concoms were paying licensing fees. I understand that Lunacon and Arisia do, and I believe that the Worldcon normally does. With the Worldcon out of the country, that may be why ASCAP has focused on Tuckercon (formerly Archon). A one-time use license is not expensive and a CC concom ought to budget for it.

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: Bruce & Nora Mai<mailto:casamai@sbcglobal.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 4:39 PM
Subject: [runacc] Archon NASFic newflash

Even though the subject is about Archon, this could easily filter down to CC.

Just got off the phone with Sheila, and apparently AASCAP is going after cons other than Dragon Con. Now, maybe it’s only because Archon is hosting NASFic, but maybe not. The fees being charged aren’t awful – apparently around $200, but if the bastards are going after the masquerades, it may be only a matter of time before CCs appear on their radar. One hopes that if they’re going to do this, they charge according to the size of the con. So you may want to start figuring in some allowance.

Bruce

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Group: runacc Message: 1592 From: Marty Gear Date: 6/16/2007
Subject: Re: Archon NASFic newflash

Balticon has been getting the license for some time too, and while
CostumeCons are probably small enough to stay under the radar (what
AASCP could collect wouldn’t pay for a lawyer’s fee to write a demand
letter – damages are based upon the size of the audience) given AASCAP’s
current attitude CC-27 will get a license just to avoid the annoyance.

Marty

Byron Connell wrote:

>
> I was under the impression that concoms were paying licensing fees. I
> understand that Lunacon and Arisia do, and I believe that the Worldcon
> normally does. With the Worldcon out of the country, that may be why
> ASCAP has focused on Tuckercon (formerly Archon). A one-time use
> license is not expensive and a CC concom ought to budget for it.
>
> Byron
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: Bruce & Nora Mai<mailto:casamai@sbcglobal.net
> <mailto:casamai%40sbcglobal.net>>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>>
> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 4:39 PM
> Subject: [runacc] Archon NASFic newflash
>
> Even though the subject is about Archon, this could easily filter down
> to CC.
>
> Just got off the phone with Sheila, and apparently AASCAP is going
> after cons other than Dragon Con. Now, maybe it’s only because Archon
> is hosting NASFic, but maybe not. The fees being charged aren’t awful
> – apparently around $200, but if the bastards are going after the
> masquerades, it may be only a matter of time before CCs appear on
> their radar. One hopes that if they’re going to do this, they charge
> according to the size of the con. So you may want to start figuring in
> some allowance.
>
> Bruce
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1593 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/17/2007
Subject: Re: Archon NASFic newflash

I guess that doesn’t surprise me that California would have that in place long before now. Nonetheless, future CCs this side of the Rockies will need to be aware….

Bruce

—– Original Message —–
From: Kevin Roche, Costume-con 26 Convention Chair
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Archon NASFic newflash

We already have a line item in our budget for an AASCAP performance
license (which is what is required for our type of use).

And, I’m somewhat proud to say, it’s been there since day one, long
before the Dragon Con fiasco happened.

Kevin

Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
>
> Even though the subject is about Archon, this could easily filter down
> to CC.
>
> Just got off the phone with Sheila, and apparently AASCAP is going
> after cons other than Dragon Con. Now, maybe it’s only because Archon
> is hosting NASFic, but maybe not. The fees being charged aren’t awful
> – apparently around $200, but if the bastards are going after the
> masquerades, it may be only a matter of time before CCs appear on
> their radar. One hopes that if they’re going to do this, they charge
> according to the size of the con. So you may want to start figuring in
> some allowance.
>
> Bruce
>

View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
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Group: runacc Message: 1594 From: Charles Galway Date: 6/17/2007
Subject: Re: Archon NASFic newflash
CC-23 (Utah) had considered getting a license, but I think it just didn’t
get done (lost in the noise).

One concern I had, was the additional factor of video sales of the CC
masquerade, since I thought that may be as much, or more of a concern to the
ASCAP folks.

Charles Galway

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Group: runacc Message: 1595 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/18/2007
Subject: Re: Archon NASFic newflash

Then it sounds like it’s definitely a case of they zeroed in on NASFic.

Bruce

—– Original Message —–
From: Byron Connell
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Archon NASFic newflash

I was under the impression that concoms were paying licensing fees. I understand that Lunacon and Arisia do, and I believe that the Worldcon normally does. With the Worldcon out of the country, that may be why ASCAP has focused on Tuckercon (formerly Archon). A one-time use license is not expensive and a CC concom ought to budget for it.

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: Bruce & Nora Mai<mailto:casamai@sbcglobal.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 4:39 PM
Subject: [runacc] Archon NASFic newflash

Even though the subject is about Archon, this could easily filter down to CC.

Just got off the phone with Sheila, and apparently AASCAP is going after cons other than Dragon Con. Now, maybe it’s only because Archon is hosting NASFic, but maybe not. The fees being charged aren’t awful – apparently around $200, but if the bastards are going after the masquerades, it may be only a matter of time before CCs appear on their radar. One hopes that if they’re going to do this, they charge according to the size of the con. So you may want to start figuring in some allowance.

Bruce

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Group: runacc Message: 1596 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/19/2007
Subject: Re: Archon NASFic newflash

From what I have been able to learn, there are a couple of factors. If
each music selection is less than 60 seconds, then it is “fair use” and
no license is needed. (That’s one way to get presentations to speed up
😛 ). If the number of DVDs produced is less than 500 then AASCAP
probably won’t do anything more than write a cease & desist letter from
their in-house counsel as the damages than they could collect (the
profit on the number of DVDs sold) is insufficient for them to pursue
further. Also, the “Performance license” fee is based upon the
anticipated number of people in the audience and since that is typically
less than 500 at a Costume Con it would be minimal if you had to buy one
after the fact. More than anything else it would be an annoyance factor
for most regional cons. Dragon Con with 20K people is a different
animal and WorldCons with 5 or 6K might be enough to get their
attention. These are the idiots who have threatened teenagers and
grandmothers for downloading copyrighted music because they really
haven’t caught up to today’s technology and who don’t realize that the
reduced sales of CD’s is because they are charging too much for “poc”
CD’s that contain only one or two worthwhile numbers in 90% of the cases.

It is up to the com-com to decide how much lack of annoyance is worth
and what their potential exposure is, but please don’t lose any sleep
over this silliness.

Marty

Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

>
> Then it sounds like it’s definitely a case of they zeroed in on NASFic.
>
> Bruce
>
> –
>
> ___

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Group: runacc Message: 1597 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 6/20/2007
Subject: Re: Archon NASFic newflash

At 01:47 PM 6/19/2007, you wrote:

> From what I have been able to learn, there are a couple of factors. If
>each music selection is less than 60 seconds, then it is “fair use” and
>no license is needed. (That’s one way to get presentations to speed up
>:-P ). If the number of DVDs produced is less than 500 then AASCAP
>probably won’t do anything more than write a cease & desist letter from
>their in-house counsel as the damages than they could collect (the
>profit on the number of DVDs sold) is insufficient for them to pursue
>further. Also, the “Performance license” fee is based upon the
>anticipated number of people in the audience and since that is typically
>less than 500 at a Costume Con it would be minimal if you had to buy one
>after the fact. More than anything else it would be an annoyance factor
>for most regional cons. Dragon Con with 20K people is a different
>animal and WorldCons with 5 or 6K might be enough to get their
>attention. These are the idiots who have threatened teenagers and
>grandmothers for downloading copyrighted music because they really
>haven’t caught up to today’s technology and who don’t realize that the
>reduced sales of CD’s is because they are charging too much for “poc”
>CD’s that contain only one or two worthwhile numbers in 90% of the cases.

I know. They’re hitting the University of Nebraska hard on this. I
think they’ve threatened about 50 kids. So far they’ve all settled.

Pierre

>It is up to the com-com to decide how much lack of annoyance is worth
>and what their potential exposure is, but please don’t lose any sleep
>over this silliness.
>
>Marty
>
>Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
> >
> > Then it sounds like it’s definitely a case of they zeroed in on NASFic.
> >
> > Bruce

“Those Who Fail To Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly —
Why They Are Simply Doomed.

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C.Y. 4971

Andromeda

 

Group: runacc Message: 1598 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 6/21/2007
Subject: Re: Archon NASFic newflash

Don’t confuse the ASCAP licensing situation with the RIAA bootleg
copying lawsuits.

They are actually different beasties.

Frankly, DragonCon was being just plain stupid, with a 20,000+
conference with a huge online presence, to ignore the fact that they
needed licenses for their performances.

Kevin

Pierre & Sandy Pettinger wrote:

>
> s.
>
> I know. They’re hitting the University of Nebraska hard on this. I
> think they’ve threatened about 50 kids. So far they’ve all settled.
>
> Pierre
>
> >
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1599 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 8/1/2007
Subject: What’s wrong with this webpage?
http://www.dragoncon.net/costuming/

Well, beside that it’s ugly…

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1600 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 8/1/2007
Subject: Re: What’s wrong with this webpage?

Ummm… The CC26 logo lurking to the right?

Nora

> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Andrew Trembley
> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 1:26 AM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [runacc] What’s wrong with this webpage?
>
> http://www.dragoncon.net/costuming/
>
> Well, beside that it’s ugly…
>
> andy
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

 

 

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Group: runacc Message: 1501 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 4/5/2007
Subject: the CC25 database
Group: runacc Message: 1502 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 4/6/2007
Subject: Re: the CC25 database
Group: runacc Message: 1503 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 4/6/2007
Subject: Re: the CC25 database
Group: runacc Message: 1504 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 4/7/2007
Subject: Re: the CC25 database
Group: runacc Message: 1505 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 4/7/2007
Subject: Re: the CC25 database
Group: runacc Message: 1506 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 4/8/2007
Subject: Re: the CC25 database
Group: runacc Message: 1507 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 4/8/2007
Subject: Re: the CC25 database
Group: runacc Message: 1508 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 4/10/2007
Subject: Re: CC classes suggestion
Group: runacc Message: 1509 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 4/10/2007
Subject: Re: CC classes suggestion
Group: runacc Message: 1510 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 4/13/2007
Subject: Future CCs Mailing list
Group: runacc Message: 1511 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 4/18/2007
Subject: Fun with online membership databases…
Group: runacc Message: 1512 From: bruno Date: 4/18/2007
Subject: Re: Fun with online membership databases…
Group: runacc Message: 1513 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 4/18/2007
Subject: Re: Fun with online membership databases…
Group: runacc Message: 1514 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 4/18/2007
Subject: Re: Fun with online membership databases…
Group: runacc Message: 1515 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 4/18/2007
Subject: Re: Fun with online membership databases…
Group: runacc Message: 1516 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 4/18/2007
Subject: Re: Fun with online membership databases…
Group: runacc Message: 1517 From: Karen Heim Date: 4/18/2007
Subject: Re: Fun with online membership databases…
Group: runacc Message: 1518 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 4/18/2007
Subject: Re: Fun with online membership databases…
Group: runacc Message: 1519 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 4/18/2007
Subject: Re: Fun with online membership databases…
Group: runacc Message: 1520 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 4/18/2007
Subject: Re: Fun with online membership databases…
Group: runacc Message: 1521 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 4/18/2007
Subject: Re: Fun with online membership databases…
Group: runacc Message: 1522 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 4/19/2007
Subject: Re: Fun with online membership databases…
Group: runacc Message: 1523 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 4/20/2007
Subject: Re: Fun with online membership databases…
Group: runacc Message: 1524 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 4/20/2007
Subject: Re: Future CCs Mailing list
Group: runacc Message: 1525 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 4/20/2007
Subject: Re: Future CCs Mailing list
Group: runacc Message: 1526 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 4/20/2007
Subject: Re: Future CCs Mailing list
Group: runacc Message: 1527 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 4/20/2007
Subject: Re: Future CCs Mailing list
Group: runacc Message: 1528 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 4/21/2007
Subject: Almost done…Really!
Group: runacc Message: 1529 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 4/22/2007
Subject: Re: Future CCs Mailing list
Group: runacc Message: 1530 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 4/22/2007
Subject: Re: Future CCs Mailing list
Group: runacc Message: 1531 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 4/25/2007
Subject: Legal question
Group: runacc Message: 1532 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 4/26/2007
Subject: Re: Legal question
Group: runacc Message: 1533 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 4/26/2007
Subject: Re: Legal question
Group: runacc Message: 1534 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 4/26/2007
Subject: Re: Legal question
Group: runacc Message: 1535 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 4/26/2007
Subject: Re: Legal question
Group: runacc Message: 1536 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 4/26/2007
Subject: Re: Legal question
Group: runacc Message: 1537 From: David Doering Date: 4/26/2007
Subject: Re: Legal question
Group: runacc Message: 1538 From: bruno Date: 4/26/2007
Subject: Re: Legal question
Group: runacc Message: 1539 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 4/26/2007
Subject: Re: Legal question
Group: runacc Message: 1540 From: Byron Connell Date: 4/26/2007
Subject: Re: Legal question
Group: runacc Message: 1541 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 4/26/2007
Subject: Re: Legal question
Group: runacc Message: 1542 From: Charles Galway Date: 4/27/2007
Subject: Re: Legal question
Group: runacc Message: 1543 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 4/27/2007
Subject: what are people saying about CC25?
Group: runacc Message: 1544 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 4/29/2007
Subject: Re: Legal question
Group: runacc Message: 1545 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 4/29/2007
Subject: Re: Legal question
Group: runacc Message: 1546 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 5/5/2007
Subject: Invitations sent to the CC26 mailing lists… thanks to CC25!
Group: runacc Message: 1547 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/5/2007
Subject: Re: Invitations sent to the CC26 mailing lists… thanks to CC25!
Group: runacc Message: 1548 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/11/2007
Subject: Fwd: “Piecework” article
Group: runacc Message: 1549 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/13/2007
Subject: Re: Fwd: “Piecework” article
Group: runacc Message: 1550 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/22/2007
Subject: CC25 Post -mortem

 


 

Group: runacc Message: 1501 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 4/5/2007
Subject: the CC25 database
Once the Membership database is updated from the con I’ll format a list of persons who wanted to receive info about future CCs. Any requests as to how everybody would like that & what info they’d find useful from our database?

Nora

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Group: runacc Message: 1502 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 4/6/2007
Subject: Re: the CC25 database

In a message dated 4/5/2007 9:23:05 PM Central Daylight Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> Any requests as to how everybody would like that &what info they’d find
> useful from our database?

Nora,
What format do you have in at this point?
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1503 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 4/6/2007
Subject: Re: the CC25 database

I also was going to ask what format was being used.

–Karen

—– Original Message —–
From: osierhenry@cs.com
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] the CC25 database

In a message dated 4/5/2007 9:23:05 PM Central Daylight Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:
> Any requests as to how everybody would like that &what info they’d find
> useful from our database?
Nora,
What format do you have in at this point?
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1504 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 4/7/2007
Subject: Re: the CC25 database

Access & Excel

Nora

—– Original Message —–
From: osierhenry@cs.com
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] the CC25 database

In a message dated 4/5/2007 9:23:05 PM Central Daylight Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:
> Any requests as to how everybody would like that &what info they’d find
> useful from our database?
Nora,
What format do you have in at this point?
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1505 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 4/7/2007
Subject: Re: the CC25 database

In a message dated 4/7/2007 2:45:14 PM Central Daylight Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> Access &Excel
>
>
>
>
>

Excel, please!
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1506 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 4/8/2007
Subject: Re: the CC25 database

Primo. I can read both.

–Karen

—– Original Message —–
From: Bruce & Nora Mai
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] the CC25 database

Access & Excel

Nora
—– Original Message —–
From: osierhenry@cs.com
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] the CC25 database

In a message dated 4/5/2007 9:23:05 PM Central Daylight Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:
> Any requests as to how everybody would like that &what info they’d find
> useful from our database?
Nora,
What format do you have in at this point?
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1507 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 4/8/2007
Subject: Re: the CC25 database

As can I.

Kevin

Ricky & Karen Dick wrote:

>
> Primo. I can read both.
>
> –Karen
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: Bruce & Nora Mai
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 3:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [runacc] the CC25 database
>
> Access & Excel
>
> Nora
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1508 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 4/10/2007
Subject: Re: CC classes suggestion

(shifting over to RunaCC)

On Apr 10, 2007, at 5:51 PM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
> The theory is, as you’ve eloquently pointed out, we’re all adults
> here and should be responsible about how long a panel has. At the
> very least, moderators should be cognizant of dwindling time.

Frankly, I saw a few adults who should have known better not paying
attention to how long their panels ran, or that they were supposed to
be on a panel in 5 minutes.

Were there moderators? I got nothing telling me who the moderator for
any of my panels were. Granted, they were 2, 3 and 4 people. They
didn’t need much moderation, but I wouldn’t have minded handing the
clock off to someone else.

> I hate to sound like the old fart here, but we’ve not usually had
> time problems at CCs before. Granted, Kevin had a point when there
> was set up time needed for panels like his, and perhaps a
> programming person does need to look in on things. But for the
> most part, panels ran smoothly without many disruptions.

Two of my three panels were impacted by other panels running late and
not being out of the room when we were supposed to start. The one
that didn’t was the first panel of the day for that room. One (which
you were on) moved to the concourse, because there was no way the
panel that was running where we were supposed to be was going to
finish so we could move in.

It’s a matter of perception.

If you tell people, “Panels are an hour” some panelists will take it
as a license to fill the whole hour, without consideration for clean-
up time or the next panel coming in (I’m thinking of a table full of
dolls and doll clothes that had to be bagged and hauled away). If you
tell people “Panels are 50 minutes, with a 10 minute break” you’ve
established a clear instruction of where turnover-time happens, and
that burning the next panel’s time for your clean-up is unacceptable.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1509 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 4/10/2007
Subject: Re: CC classes suggestion

Valid criticisms.

Bruce

—– Original Message —–
From: Andrew T Trembley
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 8:16 PM
Subject: [runacc] Re: CC classes suggestion

(shifting over to RunaCC)

On Apr 10, 2007, at 5:51 PM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
> The theory is, as you’ve eloquently pointed out, we’re all adults
> here and should be responsible about how long a panel has. At the
> very least, moderators should be cognizant of dwindling time.

Frankly, I saw a few adults who should have known better not paying
attention to how long their panels ran, or that they were supposed to
be on a panel in 5 minutes.

Were there moderators? I got nothing telling me who the moderator for
any of my panels were. Granted, they were 2, 3 and 4 people. They
didn’t need much moderation, but I wouldn’t have minded handing the
clock off to someone else.

> I hate to sound like the old fart here, but we’ve not usually had
> time problems at CCs before. Granted, Kevin had a point when there
> was set up time needed for panels like his, and perhaps a
> programming person does need to look in on things. But for the
> most part, panels ran smoothly without many disruptions.

Two of my three panels were impacted by other panels running late and
not being out of the room when we were supposed to start. The one
that didn’t was the first panel of the day for that room. One (which
you were on) moved to the concourse, because there was no way the
panel that was running where we were supposed to be was going to
finish so we could move in.

It’s a matter of perception.

If you tell people, “Panels are an hour” some panelists will take it
as a license to fill the whole hour, without consideration for clean-
up time or the next panel coming in (I’m thinking of a table full of
dolls and doll clothes that had to be bagged and hauled away). If you
tell people “Panels are 50 minutes, with a 10 minute break” you’ve
established a clear instruction of where turnover-time happens, and
that burning the next panel’s time for your clean-up is unacceptable.

andy

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Group: runacc Message: 1510 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 4/13/2007
Subject: Future CCs Mailing list
I’m not completely finished crunching the numbers but I’ve managed to
finalize a stripped out Excel sheet of CC25 members who wanted to
receive future CC mailings. Figured you guys would want this soon so
you could hit ’em up while they’re still excited.

There are 191 records that include name, address, city, state, zip,
country, phone & email. So you can mail merge them easily for a
mailing. Bound to be some people who are already on your mailing lists
but we had a good number of first timers so could be good for you.

I have also left in their age – there are some under 21, your call if
you want to mail them or not.

It’s uploaded to the file section here in Yahoo. If you’d like me to
email it to you personally let me know.

Nora

 

Group: runacc Message: 1511 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 4/18/2007
Subject: Fun with online membership databases…
I promised my committee that I’d write these functions after I got home
from CC25…

You can now view the (dynamically generated) membership directory for
Costume-Con 26 at
<https://www.cc26.info/interactive/view_member_directory.php>

and the geographical distribution of our membership at
<https://www.cc26.info/interactive/view_member_geography.php>

Kevin

(who wanted to paint the latter numbers on a US map but decided it was
way more work than the result was worth, and besides, not everyone’s
coming from the US… and I hold out hope for a few trans-Atlantic members)

 

Group: runacc Message: 1512 From: bruno Date: 4/18/2007
Subject: Re: Fun with online membership databases…

If I follow the links from the msg, I get two different 404 errors. If I navigate through from the homepage, they work.

Also, the Geography page lists 238 members, but the Membership page only lists about 156(ish).

Michael

> ——-Original Message——-
> From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair <chair@cc26.info>
> Subject: [runacc] Fun with online membership databases…
> Sent: 17 Apr ’07 23:01
>
> I promised my committee that I’d write these functions after I got home
> from CC25…
>
> You can now view the (dynamically generated) membership directory for
> Costume-Con 26 at
> <[LINK: https://www.cc26.info/interactive/view_member_directory.php%5d
> https://www.cc26.info/interactive/view_member_directory.php>
>
> and the geographical distribution of our membership at
> <[LINK: https://www.cc26.info/interactive/view_member_geography.php%5d
> https://www.cc26.info/interactive/view_member_geography.php>
>
> Kevin
>
> (who wanted to paint the latter numbers on a US map but decided it was
> way more work than the result was worth, and besides, not everyone’s
> coming from the US… and I hold out hope for a few trans-Atlantic
> members)
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1513 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 4/18/2007
Subject: Re: Fun with online membership databases…

And I noticed that I’m not listed although I know I have a
membership. So that explains at least one difference in the counts.

Nora

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “bruno” <bruno@…> wrote:
>
> If I follow the links from the msg, I get two different 404
errors. If I navigate through from the homepage, they work.
>
> Also, the Geography page lists 238 members, but the Membership
page only lists about 156(ish).
>
>
> Michael
>
>
> > ——-Original Message——-
> > From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair <chair@…>
> > Subject: [runacc] Fun with online membership databases…
> > Sent: 17 Apr ’07 23:01
> >
> > I promised my committee that I’d write these functions after I
got home
> > from CC25…
> >
> > You can now view the (dynamically generated) membership
directory for
> > Costume-Con 26 at
> > <[LINK:
https://www.cc26.info/interactive/view_member_directory.php%5d
> > https://www.cc26.info/interactive/view_member_directory.php>
> >
> > and the geographical distribution of our membership at
> > <[LINK:
https://www.cc26.info/interactive/view_member_geography.php%5d
> > https://www.cc26.info/interactive/view_member_geography.php>
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> > (who wanted to paint the latter numbers on a US map but decided
it was
> > way more work than the result was worth, and besides, not
everyone’s
> > coming from the US… and I hold out hope for a few trans-
Atlantic
> > members)
> >
> >
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1514 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 4/18/2007
Subject: Re: Fun with online membership databases…

On Apr 18, 2007, at 11:38 AM, bruno wrote:

> If I follow the links from the msg, I get two different 404
> errors. If I navigate through from the homepage, they work.
>
> Also, the Geography page lists 238 members, but the Membership page
> only lists about 156(ish).

Membership page only lists people who set “show my name in the member
directory.” People who registered before we had that blank in the
system aren’t shown; we chose to assume “no” rather than assume “yes.”

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1515 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 4/18/2007
Subject: Re: Fun with online membership databases…

Hmm… the links work in my email client. I have no idea why you got the
404s… unless you happened to try while I was doing a debug refresh.

The difference in numbers is (mostly) because 78 members have chosen to
not display their names in the directory. I have a few members who, for
some reason, don’t show up in spite of having opted-in to listing until
I re-save their profiles. No changes, just open and re-save.
Mysteeeeerious…

Kevin

bruno wrote:

>
> If I follow the links from the msg, I get two different 404 errors. If
> I navigate through from the homepage, they work.
>
> Also, the Geography page lists 238 members, but the Membership page
> only lists about 156(ish).
>
> Michael
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1516 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 4/18/2007
Subject: Re: Fun with online membership databases…

Ahh! That explains it. Okay, cool. I registered at CC24 so I guess
that was “before”.
Any blanks in our optional questions were assumed to be ‘No’ as well.

Nora
— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Andrew T Trembley <attrembl@…>
wrote:

>
>
> On Apr 18, 2007, at 11:38 AM, bruno wrote:
>
> > If I follow the links from the msg, I get two different 404
> > errors. If I navigate through from the homepage, they work.
> >
> > Also, the Geography page lists 238 members, but the Membership

page

> > only lists about 156(ish).
>
> Membership page only lists people who set “show my name in the

member

> directory.” People who registered before we had that blank in the
> system aren’t shown; we chose to assume “no” rather than

assume “yes.”

>
> andy
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1517 From: Karen Heim Date: 4/18/2007
Subject: Re: Fun with online membership databases…

I think I registered right after you, though, and I show
up. Odd.

Karen

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:55:01 -0000
“Bruce & Nora Mai” <casamai@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Ahh! That explains it. Okay, cool. I registered at CC24
>so I guess
> that was “before”.
> Any blanks in our optional questions were assumed to be
>’No’ as well.
>
> Nora
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Andrew T Trembley
><attrembl@…>
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Apr 18, 2007, at 11:38 AM, bruno wrote:
>>
>> > If I follow the links from the msg, I get two
>>different 404
>> > errors. If I navigate through from the homepage, they
>>work.
>> >
>> > Also, the Geography page lists 238 members, but the
>>Membership
> page
>> > only lists about 156(ish).
>>
>> Membership page only lists people who set “show my name
>>in the
> member
>> directory.” People who registered before we had that
>>blank in the
>> system aren’t shown; we chose to assume “no” rather than
> assume “yes.”
>>
>> andy
>>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1518 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 4/18/2007
Subject: Re: Fun with online membership databases…

Well, I’m on there now. Kevin must have made some adjustments (as he said in his other email).

Nora

Karen Heim <axejudge@accessus.net> wrote:
I think I registered right after you, though, and I show
up. Odd.

Karen

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:55:01 -0000
“Bruce & Nora Mai” wrote:

> Ahh! That explains it. Okay, cool. I registered at CC24
>so I guess
> that was “before”.
> Any blanks in our optional questions were assumed to be
>’No’ as well.
>
> Nora
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Andrew T Trembley
>
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Apr 18, 2007, at 11:38 AM, bruno wrote:
>>
>> > If I follow the links from the msg, I get two
>>different 404
>> > errors. If I navigate through from the homepage, they
>>work.
>> >
>> > Also, the Geography page lists 238 members, but the
>>Membership
> page
>> > only lists about 156(ish).
>>
>> Membership page only lists people who set “show my name
>>in the
> member
>> directory.” People who registered before we had that
>>blank in the
>> system aren’t shown; we chose to assume “no” rather than
> assume “yes.”
>>
>> andy
>>
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 1519 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 4/18/2007
Subject: Re: Fun with online membership databases…
Yo! Grand Master K! I seem to be having the same problem as Nora. Probably
for the same reason.

Henry Osier
Chief Spy
Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010
www.CC28.org
For the newest Intell: http://agent-milw.livejournal.com/

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Group: runacc Message: 1520 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 4/18/2007
Subject: Re: Fun with online membership databases…

Yes, yours was one where I did the magic “open and re-save profile” trick.

I’ve modified the syntax of the query in the directory script slightly,
and now I have 161 members listed in the directory, which is what a raw
database query tells me should be showing (238 members less 76 who opted
out and 1 Youth membership without a badge name).

So I think the glitch is now dead. If someone else tells me they aren’t
showing I’ll go back and look again.

Kevin

Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

>
> Well, I’m on there now. Kevin must have made some adjustments (as he
> said in his other email).
>
> Nora
>
> Karen Heim <axejudge@accessus.net <mailto:axejudge%40accessus.net>> wrote:
> I think I registered right after you, though, and I show
> up. Odd.
>
> Karen
>
> _,_._,___

 

Group: runacc Message: 1521 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 4/18/2007
Subject: Re: Fun with online membership databases…

OK, the back door query shows you as NOT having opted in to listing.
I’ve also ascertained that the glitch appeared to be that when I opened
the form it was always showing “yes” and then saving the profile
properly with that as the new value. You now show up.

Fortunately, all the profiles I opened recently were because people
wanted their names listed 😉
(and the script to load the form is now fixed).

Kevin

osierhenry@cs.com wrote:

>
> Yo! Grand Master K! I seem to be having the same problem as Nora.
> Probably
> for the same reason.
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1522 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 4/19/2007
Subject: Re: Fun with online membership databases…

At 02:36 PM 4/18/2007, you wrote:

Sandy and I certainly have no problem being listed but aren’t there.
Please feel free to add us.

Pierre

>On Apr 18, 2007, at 11:38 AM, bruno wrote:
>
> > If I follow the links from the msg, I get two different 404
> > errors. If I navigate through from the homepage, they work.
> >
> > Also, the Geography page lists 238 members, but the Membership page
> > only lists about 156(ish).
>
>Membership page only lists people who set “show my name in the member
>directory.” People who registered before we had that blank in the
>system aren’t shown; we chose to assume “no” rather than assume “yes.”
>
>andy

“Those Who Fail To Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly —
Why They Are Simply Doomed.

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C.Y. 4971

Andromeda

 

Group: runacc Message: 1523 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 4/20/2007
Subject: Re: Fun with online membership databases…

I can do it via the admin interface, but in theory you should be able to
log in and do it yourself.

Care to try and see if the process makes sense?

Kevin

Pierre & Sandy Pettinger wrote:

>
> At 02:36 PM 4/18/2007, you wrote:
>
> Sandy and I certainly have no problem being listed but aren’t there.
> Please feel free to add us.
>
> Pierre
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1524 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 4/20/2007
Subject: Re: Future CCs Mailing list
Has anybody even looked at this? The original intent was to create an ongoing database of people who wanted to hear about future CCs & could be mailed to.
If no one’s going to use it or keep it up – what a waste of time.

Nora

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Group: runacc Message: 1525 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 4/20/2007
Subject: Re: Future CCs Mailing list

Nora, we definitely NEED this kind of continuity from one con to the next. (We need it with the FFF mailing list of known designers, too!) I haven’t looked at it yet, but I intend to. Little things like life and work keep interfering.

–Karen

—– Original Message —–
From: Bruce & Nora Mai
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Future CCs Mailing list

Has anybody even looked at this? The original intent was to create an ongoing database of people who wanted to hear about future CCs & could be mailed to.
If no one’s going to use it or keep it up – what a waste of time.

Nora

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Group: runacc Message: 1526 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 4/20/2007
Subject: Re: Future CCs Mailing list

—– Original Message —–
From: Bruce & Nora Mai
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Future CCs Mailing list

Has anybody even looked at this? The original intent was to create an ongoing database of people who wanted to hear about future CCs & could be mailed to.
If no one’s going to use it or keep it up – what a waste of time.

Nora

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Group: runacc Message: 1527 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 4/20/2007
Subject: Re: Future CCs Mailing list

Hi Nora —

We haven’t used it yet, but are going to.
Right now we are in the middle of wrapping up our PR2 and getting ready
for online hotel reservations to open.
When that announcement goes out (our PRs appear on the website as well)
I know we’ll be using it.

Thanks for the noodge. I’ve downloaded a copy so besides using it for a
special announcement/invitation I can use it to send invites to our
online announcement list.

Kevin

Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

>
> Has anybody even looked at this? The original intent was to create an
> ongoing database of people who wanted to hear about future CCs & could
> be mailed to.
> If no one’s going to use it or keep it up – what a waste of time.
>
> Nora
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1528 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 4/21/2007
Subject: Almost done…Really!
Costume-ConNections news (www.Costume-Con.org):

I am pleased to report that thanks to Carl’s collection of DVDs and
Pierre’s willingness to loan same to me until I could get them to a
computer that could read them, all CCs up to CC24 can be said to have an
image for every costume that crossed a stage in competition with the
exception of CC19, and that will be remedied shortly!

In the coming few weeks, subject to my availability, the whims of my
children and the ease of transition, the whole site will be moving to a
new web server. If you notice any weird things going on, it’s possible
you’ve caught the site in transition, so please be patient. When the
site move has been completed, I’ll let folks know!

(And then imagine Kermit doing his happy dance…)

Also: If you wanted to submit your web site for listing on the Links
page, NOW would be a good time to do it. My next task, while I’m waiting
for the CC19 DVD, is to clean out the links of all cobwebs and clear the
What’s New pages.

Any adjustments to the information listed on the site would be very much
appreciated!

Thanks,

Betsy


Betsy Delaney

*************************************************************************
See my resume at: http://www.hawkeswood.com/betsywork.shtml
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Group: runacc Message: 1529 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 4/22/2007
Subject: Re: Future CCs Mailing list

Sorry to sound whiny but no one even commented when I posted that it was there.
I’ll also have some interesting demographic stats once I get the registration stuff is completely processed.

Nora

“Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair” <chair@cc26.info> wrote:
Hi Nora —

We haven’t used it yet, but are going to.
Right now we are in the middle of wrapping up our PR2 and getting ready
for online hotel reservations to open.
When that announcement goes out (our PRs appear on the website as well)
I know we’ll be using it.

Thanks for the noodge. I’ve downloaded a copy so besides using it for a
special announcement/invitation I can use it to send invites to our
online announcement list.

Kevin

Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

>
> Has anybody even looked at this? The original intent was to create an
> ongoing database of people who wanted to hear about future CCs & could
> be mailed to.
> If no one’s going to use it or keep it up – what a waste of time.
>
> Nora
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 1530 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 4/22/2007
Subject: Re: Future CCs Mailing list

In a message dated 4/22/2007 4:17:53 PM Central Daylight Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> Sorry to sound whiny but no one even commented when I posted that it was
> there.
> I’ll also have some interesting demographic stats once I get the
> registration stuff is completely processed.
>
> Nora
>
>
>
>
>

Nora,
Sorry, but I haven’t looked at it either. Been busy with other stuff.
But will look at it soon. Promise!
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1531 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 4/25/2007
Subject: Legal question
Not going into details yet, but what are the legalities of having a no refund or partial refund policy and someone still demands a full refund?

We have a situation where we have this person who will remain unnamed for the moment (but I’m pretty sure we’ll give you a warning about them when this is resolved one way or another) where they are pretty much refusing to accept the polcy. We pretty much have them dead to rights here, but they are currently demanding a 50% refund on their membership and 100% of the person they never provided any registration info on. Oh – either that, or forward the money to the next con for membership.

They say now that since they can’t get satisfaction, they will seek legal council. I don’t think they have any legal standing. They won’t provide documentation of emails they claim we never answered, won’t accept our documentation from Paypal that quite clearly shows that they used an email address that they claim they never use. They’re basicaly trying to bully us into giving them their money. They claim they’ve never heard of a con not refunding money (which is clearly a lie. If they weren’t such an ass, I’d be inclined to just give them their money, but there’s no guarantee they won’t try this stunt again.

Any thoughts?

Bruce

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Group: runacc Message: 1532 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 4/26/2007
Subject: Re: Legal question

Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> Not going into details yet, but what are the legalities of having a no refund or partial refund policy and someone still demands a full refund?
>

There may be variances from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, but bascially,
if there’s a published policy, the policy stands.

You could always go with the preemptive strike of contacting PayPal
filing a complaint with them.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1533 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 4/26/2007
Subject: Re: Legal question

Oh, and they will spend more $$$ getting legal counsel than the two memberships are worth, so that’s just an empty threat.

–Karen

—– Original Message —–
From: Bruce & Nora Mai
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 11:43 PM
Subject: [runacc] Legal question

Not going into details yet, but what are the legalities of having a no refund or partial refund policy and someone still demands a full refund?

We have a situation where we have this person who will remain unnamed for the moment (but I’m pretty sure we’ll give you a warning about them when this is resolved one way or another) where they are pretty much refusing to accept the polcy. We pretty much have them dead to rights here, but they are currently demanding a 50% refund on their membership and 100% of the person they never provided any registration info on. Oh – either that, or forward the money to the next con for membership.

They say now that since they can’t get satisfaction, they will seek legal council. I don’t think they have any legal standing. They won’t provide documentation of emails they claim we never answered, won’t accept our documentation from Paypal that quite clearly shows that they used an email address that they claim they never use. They’re basicaly trying to bully us into giving them their money. They claim they’ve never heard of a con not refunding money (which is clearly a lie. If they weren’t such an ass, I’d be inclined to just give them their money, but there’s no guarantee they won’t try this stunt again.

Any thoughts?

Bruce

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Group: runacc Message: 1534 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 4/26/2007
Subject: Re: Legal question

Most cons will not refund memberships once it’s 30 days out from the con. Most will allow transfers until the con. After that, it’s tough luck. Then, after the con, any no-shows get mailed their registration packets with their badges, con publications, etc. so they have something to show for their membership $$.

Do not let this person bully you. You had a published policy re refunds.

–Karen

—– Original Message —–
From: Bruce & Nora Mai
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 11:43 PM
Subject: [runacc] Legal question

Not going into details yet, but what are the legalities of having a no refund or partial refund policy and someone still demands a full refund?

We have a situation where we have this person who will remain unnamed for the moment (but I’m pretty sure we’ll give you a warning about them when this is resolved one way or another) where they are pretty much refusing to accept the polcy. We pretty much have them dead to rights here, but they are currently demanding a 50% refund on their membership and 100% of the person they never provided any registration info on. Oh – either that, or forward the money to the next con for membership.

They say now that since they can’t get satisfaction, they will seek legal council. I don’t think they have any legal standing. They won’t provide documentation of emails they claim we never answered, won’t accept our documentation from Paypal that quite clearly shows that they used an email address that they claim they never use. They’re basicaly trying to bully us into giving them their money. They claim they’ve never heard of a con not refunding money (which is clearly a lie. If they weren’t such an ass, I’d be inclined to just give them their money, but there’s no guarantee they won’t try this stunt again.

Any thoughts?

Bruce

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Group: runacc Message: 1535 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 4/26/2007
Subject: Re: Legal question

What Andy said. *Especially* if you allowed membership transfers.

And thanks for the reminder to get our refund policy posted.

Kevin

Andrew Trembley wrote:

>
> Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
> > Not going into details yet, but what are the legalities of having a
> no refund or partial refund policy and someone still demands a full
> refund?
> >
>
> There may be variances from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, but bascially,
> if there’s a published policy, the policy stands.
>
> You could always go with the preemptive strike of contacting PayPal
> filing a complaint with them.
>
> andy
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1536 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 4/26/2007
Subject: Re: Legal question

I think I’m with Andy here. Preemptive strikes help do two things: Deal
with bullies and tip the company off to potential problems with their users.

Unless they can provide proof of payment for the one that “doesn’t
exist” it’s a non-issue. No record of payment means no payment received,
hence no refund. For the other? It’s your call, but there’s only so much
you can do with a published policy. If they were being nice and
apologetic about the problem, I might think twice. Bullies? Not worth
the time. Karen’s right. Hauling out the lawyer card is an empty threat
and your published policy will cost them money in the end. (Which you
could point out to them if you felt so inclined.)

Sorry it was ugly…

-b

Andrew Trembley wrote:

> Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
>> Not going into details yet, but what are the legalities of having a no refund or partial refund policy and someone still demands a full refund?
>>
>
> There may be variances from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, but bascially,
> if there’s a published policy, the policy stands.
>
> You could always go with the preemptive strike of contacting PayPal
> filing a complaint with them.
>
> andy



Betsy Delaney

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Group: runacc Message: 1537 From: David Doering Date: 4/26/2007
Subject: Re: Legal question
Bruce:

I concur with Karen–in addition to SF cons, in my 20+ years of
attending professional conferences and seminars I have routinely seen
the policy that after a certain date there were no refunds. I
understood that if I purchased the membership and then did not ask
for a refund in the allotted time, I was the one out on the price of
admission.

So long as there is a stated policy on refunds, this serves as part
of the “contract” between the buyer and the con that the member accepts.

On a side note, sometimes the fear of attorney fees will be no
obstacle to some people because to them this is a grudge match and
they’re going to prove they are right. But I can’t see any attorney
accepting such a case for the amount charged and the overall size of
the event (ie: no deep pockets).

Yours,

Dave Doering

 

Group: runacc Message: 1538 From: bruno Date: 4/26/2007
Subject: Re: Legal question

If they do decide to pursue legal action, it’s definitely a small claims court case (<$5000). Maybe you could suggest they try the People’s Court or Judge Judy.

Michael

> ——-Original Message——-
> From: David Doering <dave@techvoice.com>

>
> On a side note, sometimes the fear of attorney fees will be no
> obstacle to some people because to them this is a grudge match and
> they’re going to prove they are right. But I can’t see any attorney
> accepting such a case for the amount charged and the overall size of
> the event (ie: no deep pockets).

 

Group: runacc Message: 1539 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 4/26/2007
Subject: Re: Legal question
Ages ago, in the days before I knew CC existed, I was involved with a con
that only lived two years in Milwaukee. We had a dealer claim that some of his
merchandise had been stolen. Oddly enough, no other dealer was missing anything,
the complaining dealer knew EXACTLY what was missing and what they were
worth.

We dealt with him by having a friend who had been a lawyer write him a letter
that was very thick and solid with legalese stating, basically, Prove it!

The dealer backed down and went away.

So, you might want to consider having a lawyer friend write the person a
letter making policy really clear.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1540 From: Byron Connell Date: 4/26/2007
Subject: Re: Legal question

There are a couple of different questions here. One is legal. What is Missouri’s law on giving notice of the terms of a contract? Was the policy published on the Web site and in documents such as membership applications and progress reports? I’m not an attorney; however, that may be sufficient notice. If the complainant did not read the notice (or claims not to have read it), that’s not the con’s fault. Under those circumstances, if the complainant takes the con to court, he or she could lose. In that case, the con can ask the court to make the losing party pay all costs of the trial.

A different question is what kind of bad publicity could result from the con’s decision. On the one hand, a decision to hang tough could result in the complainant bad-mouthing the con — and potentially other or all cons. That would be undesirable. On the other hand, a decision to refund the money could lead to similar demands by other attendees as well as potentially making it more difficult for other cons to enforce no-refund policies, which could be a problem for concoms that are strapped for funds.

This may be a case of d____d if you do and d____d if you don’t.

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: Bruce & Nora Mai<mailto:casamai@sbcglobal.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 11:43 PM
Subject: [runacc] Legal question

Not going into details yet, but what are the legalities of having a no refund or partial refund policy and someone still demands a full refund?

We have a situation where we have this person who will remain unnamed for the moment (but I’m pretty sure we’ll give you a warning about them when this is resolved one way or another) where they are pretty much refusing to accept the polcy. We pretty much have them dead to rights here, but they are currently demanding a 50% refund on their membership and 100% of the person they never provided any registration info on. Oh – either that, or forward the money to the next con for membership.

They say now that since they can’t get satisfaction, they will seek legal council. I don’t think they have any legal standing. They won’t provide documentation of emails they claim we never answered, won’t accept our documentation from Paypal that quite clearly shows that they used an email address that they claim they never use. They’re basicaly trying to bully us into giving them their money. They claim they’ve never heard of a con not refunding money (which is clearly a lie. If they weren’t such an ass, I’d be inclined to just give them their money, but there’s no guarantee they won’t try this stunt again.

Any thoughts?

Bruce

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Group: runacc Message: 1541 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 4/26/2007
Subject: Re: Legal question

At 10:43 PM 4/25/2007, you wrote:

>Not going into details yet, but what are the legalities of having a
>no refund or partial refund policy and someone still demands a full refund?
>
>We have a situation where we have this person who will remain
>unnamed for the moment (but I’m pretty sure we’ll give you a warning
>about them when this is resolved one way or another) where they are
>pretty much refusing to accept the polcy. We pretty much have them
>dead to rights here, but they are currently demanding a 50% refund
>on their membership and 100% of the person they never provided any
>registration info on. Oh – either that, or forward the money to the
>next con for membership.
>
>They say now that since they can’t get satisfaction, they will seek
>legal council. I don’t think they have any legal standing. They
>won’t provide documentation of emails they claim we never answered,
>won’t accept our documentation from Paypal that quite clearly shows
>that they used an email address that they claim they never
>use. They’re basicaly trying to bully us into giving them their
>money. They claim they’ve never heard of a con not refunding money
>(which is clearly a lie. If they weren’t such an ass, I’d be
>inclined to just give them their money, but there’s no guarantee
>they won’t try this stunt again.
>
>Any thoughts?
>
>Bruce

I don’t believe any convention is required to refund any membership.
If you buy a ticket to a theatrical production (say to Broadway) and
can’t attend I don’t believe you will get a refund. If you buy
something in a store they are not under any legal obligation to
refund your money regardless of the situation. Most will, but they
don’t have to.

I believe most conventions do not refund memberships.

Pierre

“Those Who Fail To Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly —
Why They Are Simply Doomed.

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C.Y. 4971

Andromeda

 

Group: runacc Message: 1542 From: Charles Galway Date: 4/27/2007
Subject: Re: Legal question
I may not see that answer in the same way, since I know a dealer that was at
a convention, and had something stolen, and knew exactly what the item was
worth, and may have been the only dealer that was missing something there.

I think the convention may have given her some compensation.

We had a belly dance show here, and only one vendor reported large losses
(silver jewelry). The show director virtually accused her of lying, and
there was very nearly a lawsuit resultant in the process. I also knew this
vendor (they were regulars at CONduit), and know they did not lie about this
theft. It was quite a nasty arguement, and I felt like it was not handled
very well.

There is something about the original question that reminds me a lot about a
situation described in a recent Haunted House publication. (HauntWorld #15).
Unfortunately, I can’t quite figure out how it helps you specific case…

(The article is called “The psychology of your customers….”) The
situation was where a character-actor accidently bumped into a young lady,
who then comments/complains about being/feeling sexually harassed. (no,
this issue is not about sexual-harrassment, keep reading) The
character-actor follows the written guidelines of the house, and steps
aside, saying “enjoy the rest of the show”. The actor reports the incident,
(thinking it would now be ok). Nope — 6 parents (of the three girls) show
up. Now here’s the psychology commentary…The author points out that that
these folks essentially have a chip on their shoulders, and that his house
just happens to be a convient target. Essentially these folks come from a
social-economic stratum that is fairly “POWERLESS”, hence they over-react to
any percieved wrong.

(He explained a reasonable response (it was an accident, his actor had no
complaint in five years, etc). — All that didn’t matter.) So his approach
was, rather the fight them, or present a more powerful opposition (my lawyer
is bigger than your lawyer), was to let them percieve some empowerment
(without actually giving up very much — they wanted the actors’s name, etc,
which they didn’t get). So he called in his head of security, asked if
the girls had been given a refund, insisted that one be given, and sort of
chewed out security for not having done so already (more just an “act”).
Then gave them the info they might need to write a letter of complaint.
(which they’d probably never write, but it did help them feel more
empowered…)

Yes, he did “buy-off” these annoying folks. But for him, it was cheaper, in
the long run.
———————————–

So it was my impression that you might be dealing with someone of this
annoying nature, and simply either “huffing”, or ignoring them would
increase their sense of injury (“powerlessness”).

But I still can’t quite suggest a good alternative.

Charles Galway

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
osierhenry@cs.com
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 5:11 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Legal question

Ages ago, in the days before I knew CC existed, I was involved with a con
that only lived two years in Milwaukee. We had a dealer claim that some of
his
merchandise had been stolen. Oddly enough, no other dealer was missing
anything,
the complaining dealer knew EXACTLY what was missing and what they were
worth.

We dealt with him by having a friend who had been a lawyer write him a
letter
that was very thick and solid with legalese stating, basically, Prove it!

The dealer backed down and went away.

So, you might want to consider having a lawyer friend write the person a
letter making policy really clear.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1543 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 4/27/2007
Subject: what are people saying about CC25?
Technorati may be craptacular, but it does provide blog search. I
just wish it did a better job of keeping up with things; I’ve had bad
history with them claiming a blog hasn’t been updated in dozens if
not hundreds of days even though it has.

anyway:
http://technorati.com/search/costume-con?language=en&authority=n
http://technorati.com/search/cc25?language=en&authority=n
http://technorati.com/search/cc26?language=en&authority=n

There’s also Google Blog Search, but it’s even less comprehensive.
http://blogsearch.google.com/blogsearch?hl=en&q=costume-
con&btnG=Search+Blogs
http://blogsearch.google.com/blogsearch?hl=en&q=cc25&btnG=Search+Blogs
http://blogsearch.google.com/blogsearch?hl=en&q=cc26&btnG=Search+Blogs

and if you’ve got a google account, you can set up an email alert
when new index entries appear…
http://www.google.com/alerts?t=8&hl=en&q=costume-con

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1544 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 4/29/2007
Subject: Re: Legal question

Yeah, I think it’s something that didn’t even cross our minds, last time. This is part of a trend we’ve noticed. Pierre’s gonna have a word with him, and if he still persists, we may follow some of the notions posted here.

We were not really concerned about legal actions, and everyone’s posts here pretty much reaffirm our position.

By the way, we’ve mostly accumulated our notes, so the big Brain Dump will begin soon.

Bruce

—– Original Message —–
From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 12:20 AM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Legal question

What Andy said. *Especially* if you allowed membership transfers.

And thanks for the reminder to get our refund policy posted.

Kevin

Andrew Trembley wrote:
>
> Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
> > Not going into details yet, but what are the legalities of having a
> no refund or partial refund policy and someone still demands a full
> refund?
> >
>
> There may be variances from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, but bascially,
> if there’s a published policy, the policy stands.
>
> You could always go with the preemptive strike of contacting PayPal
> filing a complaint with them.
>
> andy
>

View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
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Group: runacc Message: 1545 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 4/29/2007
Subject: Re: Legal question

Heh. Like that one. 🙂

Bruce

—– Original Message —–
From: bruno
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Legal question

If they do decide to pursue legal action, it’s definitely a small claims court case (<$5000). Maybe you could suggest they try the People’s Court or Judge Judy.

Michael

> ——-Original Message——-
> From: David Doering <dave@techvoice.com>

>
> On a side note, sometimes the fear of attorney fees will be no
> obstacle to some people because to them this is a grudge match and
> they’re going to prove they are right. But I can’t see any attorney
> accepting such a case for the amount charged and the overall size of
> the event (ie: no deep pockets).

View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
Yahoo! Groups Links

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Group: runacc Message: 1546 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 5/5/2007
Subject: Invitations sent to the CC26 mailing lists… thanks to CC25!
Nora —

Thanks for building the spreadsheet; today I used it to send invitations
to our CC26 announcements list.

I also took the time to run through our registration survey results and
send a new round of invitations out to the both the announcements and
chat lists.

Kevin

 

Group: runacc Message: 1547 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/5/2007
Subject: Re: Invitations sent to the CC26 mailing lists… thanks to CC25!

And we received the invitation toady. cool.

Nora

—– Original Message —–
From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Cc: CC26_Marcom@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 5:15 PM
Subject: [runacc] Invitations sent to the CC26 mailing lists… thanks to CC25!

Nora —

Thanks for building the spreadsheet; today I used it to send invitations
to our CC26 announcements list.

I also took the time to run through our registration survey results and
send a new round of invitations out to the both the announcements and
chat lists.

Kevin

View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
Yahoo! Groups Links

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Group: runacc Message: 1548 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/11/2007
Subject: Fwd: “Piecework” article

Note from a friend of mine…

Begin forwarded message:

> From: “Sarah Shefferly” <skshefferly@gmail.com>
> Date: May 11, 2007 5:30:45 AM PDT
> To: attrembl@bovil.com
> Subject: “Piecework” article
>
> Hey Andy!
>
> There’s a great article in the May/June issue of “Piecework” about
> costuming/persona creating organizations such as the SCA and
> Costumecon. It even has a list of places on the internet for people
> to get more information. Costumecon is on this list, so you may get
> some interested folks checking you out. Thought you’d like to know.
>
> The author of the article is Pamela Toler. Maybe you know her. She
> seems at least to have done her research, if not to have actually
> spent some time with people who do costuming.
>
> Sarah

 

Group: runacc Message: 1549 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/13/2007
Subject: Re: Fwd: “Piecework” article

Nice little article. I haven’t picked up Piecework in a few years (although I’ve always liked it) but made sure to get this one.

Nora

—– Original Message —–
From: Andrew T Trembley
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 2:49 PM
Subject: [runacc] Fwd: “Piecework” article

Note from a friend of mine…

Begin forwarded message:

> From: “Sarah Shefferly” <skshefferly@gmail.com>
> Date: May 11, 2007 5:30:45 AM PDT
> To: attrembl@bovil.com
> Subject: “Piecework” article
>
> Hey Andy!
>
> There’s a great article in the May/June issue of “Piecework” about
> costuming/persona creating organizations such as the SCA and
> Costumecon. It even has a list of places on the internet for people
> to get more information. Costumecon is on this list, so you may get
> some interested folks checking you out. Thought you’d like to know.
>
> The author of the article is Pamela Toler. Maybe you know her. She
> seems at least to have done her research, if not to have actually
> spent some time with people who do costuming.
>
> Sarah

View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
Yahoo! Groups Links

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Group: runacc Message: 1550 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/22/2007
Subject: CC25 Post -mortem
After a bit of a break (and Nora and I both fighting colds), I’m gonna try to get started on the promised “Brain Dump” I’ve mentioned in the past, adding a few quotes from the Staff. Of course, many of you were on the staff, so some of this won’t be news. But this’ll be for the edification of people who may not have known some of what went on beyond their own departments, and anybody who might read through the list archives at some later date.

Most of you on the list here have worked more than one CC, so much of this will be very familiar. Other stuff, I think you’ll find interesting just from an informational standpoint.

So – Hotel stuff: First of all, most of you already know that checking in to the Hotel on a Wednesday is a good idea for staffers – I recommend taking advantage of the hotel hot tub or pool. You might not get another chance until after the con – if then.

We were very pleased with our hotel venue – we still think booking in the suburbs is a better choice than in the city. Our location was great because it had a lot of businesses nearby for just about everything a convention member might need – food, tools, toys, books, fabric, etc. Granted, not every host city is going to have all these places so close by, but the chances are better in the suburbs than downtown. We really lucked out with the concourse layout that we had, putting all the function space in one place. Some of our staff rooms were located directly behind the function rooms, which made finding staff and getting to Ops much easier. Once again, we have to thank Marty for the great contract model he sent us. Not everything applied to our situation, but it certainly showed the hotel staff we were coming in knowing what we wanted. We struck out a few passages, but I’d say we used 80 – 85% verbatim. Overall, we found the hotel and its staff very co-operative and helpful. We had less than a handful of complaints, and those were dealt with in a timely fashion.

Bruce

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Group: runacc Message: 1462 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 11/27/2006
Subject: Re: Field Report: KWCS
Group: runacc Message: 1463 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 11/27/2006
Subject: Re: Field Report: KWCS
Group: runacc Message: 1464 From: Kevin Roche Date: 11/29/2006
Subject: Thanks to CC24
Group: runacc Message: 1465 From: Kevin Roche Date: 11/30/2006
Subject: [Fwd: Costume-Con 26 PR 1]
Group: runacc Message: 1466 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 12/3/2006
Subject: Reports are trickling back…
Group: runacc Message: 1467 From: Byron Connell Date: 12/3/2006
Subject: Re: Reports are trickling back…
Group: runacc Message: 1468 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 12/3/2006
Subject: Re: Reports are trickling back…
Group: runacc Message: 1469 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 12/4/2006
Subject: Next Years Knowne World Costume Symposium location
Group: runacc Message: 1470 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 12/5/2006
Subject: Locus Online convention listings…
Group: runacc Message: 1471 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: Registration / photo release idea
Group: runacc Message: 1472 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: Re: Registration / photo release idea
Group: runacc Message: 1473 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 12/25/2006
Subject: Re: Registration / photo release idea
Group: runacc Message: 1474 From: Byron Connell Date: 12/31/2006
Subject: Costume-Con Web Site
Group: runacc Message: 1475 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 1/15/2007
Subject: A request on behalf of my dealers room head
Group: runacc Message: 1476 From: Byron Connell Date: 1/18/2007
Subject: Costume Photos in SF Con Art Shows
Group: runacc Message: 1477 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 1/21/2007
Subject: All Hail Wendy Wildermoth and Pierre Pettinger!
Group: runacc Message: 1478 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 1/27/2007
Subject: releases examples
Group: runacc Message: 1479 From: runacc@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/27/2007
Subject: New file uploaded to runacc
Group: runacc Message: 1480 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 1/27/2007
Subject: Photo, video & liability release
Group: runacc Message: 1481 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 1/27/2007
Subject: Re: releases examples
Group: runacc Message: 1482 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 1/31/2007
Subject: Please forgive the shotgun-blast…
Group: runacc Message: 1483 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 2/1/2007
Subject: Another disqualification…
Group: runacc Message: 1484 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 2/1/2007
Subject: Re: Another disqualification…
Group: runacc Message: 1485 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 2/1/2007
Subject: Refunds
Group: runacc Message: 1486 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 2/1/2007
Subject: Re: Refunds
Group: runacc Message: 1487 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 2/1/2007
Subject: Re: Refunds
Group: runacc Message: 1488 From: Les Roth Date: 2/2/2007
Subject: Re: Refunds
Group: runacc Message: 1489 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 2/2/2007
Subject: Re: Refunds
Group: runacc Message: 1490 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 2/4/2007
Subject: CC25 Refund Policy
Group: runacc Message: 1491 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 2/5/2007
Subject: Re: Photo, video & liability release
Group: runacc Message: 1492 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 2/5/2007
Subject: Re: Photo, video & liability release
Group: runacc Message: 1493 From: Martin Gear Date: 2/6/2007
Subject: Re: Photo, video & liability release
Group: runacc Message: 1494 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 2/6/2007
Subject: call for readers…
Group: runacc Message: 1495 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 2/6/2007
Subject: Re: Photo, video & liability release
Group: runacc Message: 1496 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 2/6/2007
Subject: Re: call for readers…
Group: runacc Message: 1497 From: Elaine Mami Date: 2/10/2007
Subject: Re: call for readers…
Group: runacc Message: 1498 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 3/16/2007
Subject: Costume-ConNections web site updated…
Group: runacc Message: 1499 From: Byron Connell Date: 3/24/2007
Subject: Off to Costume-Con 25
Group: runacc Message: 1500 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 4/3/2007
Subject: Back from CC25

 


 

Group: runacc Message: 1451 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 10/11/2006
Subject: Building a mailing list
Just a note to all you future con committees:

We’re happy to report that just about everyone is indicating on their
membership forms that they would like to be notified about future CCs. At
some point after CC25, we will be giving relevant groups a copy of our
database for use to build up mailing lists.

Bruce

 

Group: runacc Message: 1452 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Tables at CC25
Please let us know ASAP who and how many people will need tables to shill
for whaterver purpose – cons, bids, etc.

Bruce

 

Group: runacc Message: 1453 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 11/8/2006
Subject: CC14 images are now online!
Thanks to Judy Mitchell and to Karen and Ricky for providing the DVD of
the masquerade, the images from CC14 are FINALLY up on the
Costume-ConNections web site.

You will find them here:

http://costume-con.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=2916

Sad to say, the vast majority of images on the site are from the video,
which means the quality leaves a LOT to be desired. There are
approximately two dozen images from the Single Pattern competition,
which came to me courtesy of Margaret Richardson (they are Ken Warren’s
photos and are credited that way).

I have been hoping for the complete set of official photos, but although
I know several people who have either partial or full sets of the
photos, I’ve never received them. I know Pierre is investigating his own
archives for anything he has, so there may be further updates as images
are received.

At this point, only CC20 and CC24 are unrepresented by photos. I have
black-and-white images of CC20 (and may have color video snaps of the
con) by the end of December.

If you notice any errors, please let me know! I’ll be working on the
site again in December, as I’m trying Real Hard to finish a SF novel
I’ve been working on since high school, using National Novel Writing
Month (NaNoWriMo) as an excuse. I’ve made major progress and am loathe
to stop before the deadline of November 30.

If you have photos you’re willing to loan for the purposes of scanning,
or you’re willing to scan photos and send them my way (300 dpi,
please!), let me know as soon as possible, and please also let me know
who took the photos.

Thanks!

Enjoy,

Betsy Delaney
Costume-Con Archivist



Betsy Delaney

*************************************************************************
See my resume at: http://www.hawkeswood.com/betsywork.shtml
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Group: runacc Message: 1454 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 11/8/2006
Subject: Fwd: KWCS
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Group: runacc Message: 1455 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 11/10/2006
Subject: Re: Tables at CC25

In a message dated 11/6/2006 10:33:43 PM Central Standard Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> Please let us know ASAP who and how many people will need tables to shill
> for whaterver purpose – cons, bids, etc.
>
>
>

Bruce,
I will need a combo table space for voting, my bid, and in case anyone
has questions about the FFS.
Henry of the Three Hats

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Group: runacc Message: 1456 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 11/10/2006
Subject: Re: Tables at CC25

Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> Please let us know ASAP who and how many people will need tables to shill
> for whaterver purpose – cons, bids, etc.

Put CC26 down for a table, please.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1457 From: Kevin Roche Date: 11/10/2006
Subject: Re: Tables at CC25

Or the CC26 Video Masquerade 😉

(ducking and running for cover)

K

osierhenry@cs.com wrote:

> Bruce,
> I will need a combo table space for voting, my bid, and in case anyone
> has questions about the FFS.
> Henry of the Three Hats
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1458 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 11/10/2006
Subject: Re: Tables at CC25

In a message dated 11/10/2006 12:33:56 PM Central Standard Time,
kevin@twistedimage.com writes:

> Or the CC26 Video Masquerade 😉
>
> (ducking and running for cover)
>
> K
>
> osierhenry@cs.com wrote:
> >Bruce,
> >I will need a combo table space for voting, my bid, and in case anyone
> >has questions about the FFS.
> >Henry of the Three Hats
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>

Four, four wonderful hats! (Insert thunder here!)
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1459 From: Tina Date: 11/11/2006
Subject: Re: Tables at CC25

Are you thinking of changing your name to Bartholomew Cubbins? (Always thought that would be a great stage presentation, if there were any practical way to pull it off.)

Tina

—– Original Message —–
From: osierhenry@cs.com<mailto:osierhenry@cs.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Tables at CC25

Four, four wonderful hats! (Insert thunder here!)
Henry

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SPONSORED LINKS
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Group: runacc Message: 1460 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 11/11/2006
Subject: Re: Tables at CC25

Already done?

http://costume-con.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=3835

Though I suppose it could be again (and again and again…).

Cheers,

Betsy

Tina wrote:

> Are you thinking of changing your name to Bartholomew Cubbins? (Always thought that would be a great stage presentation, if there were any practical way to pull it off.)
>
> Tina
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: osierhenry@cs.com<mailto:osierhenry@cs.com>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 4:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [runacc] Tables at CC25
>
> Four, four wonderful hats! (Insert thunder here!)
> Henry
>
>
> Visit Your Group <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/runacc;_ylc=X3oDMTJlNDFrcHB2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzk2NzQ3MTgEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3MzAwMzM3BHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc3RpbWUDMTE2MzE5NTQ2MQ–>
> SPONSORED LINKS
> a.. Costuming<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads;_ylc=X3oDMTJjbjBmdGJvBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9wAzEEZ3JwSWQDOTY3NDcxOARncnBzcElkAzE3MDczMDAzMzcEc2VjA3NsbW9kBHN0aW1lAzExNjMxOTU0NjY-?t=ms&k=Costuming&w1=Costuming&c=1&s=15&g=2&.sig=kbB8Oq1UUp8sVXkhjv8sDA>
> Yahoo! TV
> Staying in tonight?<http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12higp0mt/M=493064.8985665.9759897.8674578/D=groups/S=1707300337:NC/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1163202662/A=3848445/R=0/SIG=10t28jksf/*http://tv.yahoo.com/lineup/>
>
> Check listings to
>
> see what is on.
>
> Market Online
> Drive<http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12i8ekooc/M=493064.9337501.10154278.8674578/D=groups/S=1707300337:NC/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1163202662/A=4025347/R=0/SIG=12jnci1fd/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44092/*http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/srch/index.php> traffic to
>
> your web site with
>
> Sponsored Search.
>
> Yahoo! Photos
> Create your own<http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12hv5ki1m/M=493064.8985655.9760766.8674578/D=groups/S=1707300337:NC/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1163202662/A=3848635/R=0/SIG=10p8tommg/*http://photos.yahoo.com>
>
> Photo Gifts
> .
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>



Betsy Delaney

*************************************************************************
See my resume at: http://www.hawkeswood.com/betsywork.shtml
*************************************************************************

 

Group: runacc Message: 1461 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 11/26/2006
Subject: Field Report: KWCS
Hello!

Yesterday, I went to the Knowne World Costuming Symposium in Madison, WI.
Knowne World Costuming Symposium 2006 There were folks there who still fondly
remember CC21. Apparently, CC25 overlaps with some SCA events. I did encounter
one person from Californ-eye-aye and was excited to hear about CC26!

I also saw many excellent costumes!

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1462 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 11/27/2006
Subject: Re: Field Report: KWCS

On Nov 26, 2006, at 11:57 AM, osierhenry@cs.com wrote:

> Yesterday, I went to the Knowne World Costuming Symposium in
> Madison, WI.

Any word where it will be next year?


andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen
http://www.bovil.com/
“It’s not pink; it’s peach-colored. Pink is tacky.” –Manfred
Pfirsich Marie Rommel

 

Group: runacc Message: 1463 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 11/27/2006
Subject: Re: Field Report: KWCS

In a message dated 11/27/2006 1:13:17 PM Central Standard Time,
attrembl@bovil.com writes:

> On Nov 26, 2006, at 11:57 AM, osierhenry@cs.com wrote:
> >Yesterday, I went to the Knowne World Costuming Symposium in
> >Madison, WI.
>
> Any word where it will be next year?
>
>
>
>
>

Nope. I do have the e-mail address for the person who ran it this year. I’ll
see if she knows.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1464 From: Kevin Roche Date: 11/29/2006
Subject: Thanks to CC24
The envelope with your pass-along check arrived Thanksgiving weekend.

Thanks from everyone at Costume-Con 26!

Kevin

 

Group: runacc Message: 1465 From: Kevin Roche Date: 11/30/2006
Subject: [Fwd: Costume-Con 26 PR 1]
Just a heads-up that PR 1 for CC26 has been mailed!

——– Original Message ——–
Subject: Costume-Con 26
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:43:21 -0800
From: Denisen Hartlove <dhartlove@ix.netcom.com>
To: <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>, <siliconweb@yahoogroups.com>

Hi everyone!

Am sending this email while wearing my hat as the CC26 Progress Reports
Maven.

Progress Report One for Costume-Con 26 is going out today, chock-a-block
full of useful information! All members should be receiving theirs
shortly in the mail! (For privacy purposes, we are using members’ badge
names as the addressee names on the labels.) In addition, as one of the
many, many services Costume-Con 26 is happy to provide to the costuming
community at large, this PR includes a membership form, so that members
can assist those who haven’t yet registered to do so while membership
rates are still low.

Thank you, and we’ll look forward to seeing you all in San Jose in April
of 2008!

Denisen Hartlove
Maven, Nudge, Mom

 

Group: runacc Message: 1466 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 12/3/2006
Subject: Reports are trickling back…
…from this year’s SMOFcon, held in Kansas City
<http://www.midamericon.org/smofcon/index.htm>. Yeah, I should have
probably mentioned this earlier for those of you conveniently close to KC.

SMOFcon (in case you didn’t know) is the annual convention of
conrunners. It’s heavily Worldcon-oriented, but not exclusively (one of
the big events is “The SMOFcon Inquisition” where active Worldcon bids
are grilled on their plans). SFSFC, our local big fannish con non-profit
corporation who operated ConFrancisco and ConJose, sponsors a few $500
“scholarships” for Bay Area folks involved in local and regional
conventions to go.

The one ugly report that came back is that SMOFcon 2006 was rather
haphazardly put together. This doesn’t reflect well on MAC’s KC in 2009
Worldcon bid.

SMOFcon 2007 will be in Boston <http://www.mcfi.org/smofcon/>. I don’t
know if we’re going (Boston in December? not likely…) but for those of
you on the east coast, it might be something worth planning. Word is the
focus of programming is going to be on marketing your convention and
boosting attendance…

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1467 From: Byron Connell Date: 12/3/2006
Subject: Re: Reports are trickling back…

Andy —

Arisia is in January in the Boston area!

BTW, MCFI is the New England Worldcon-running group. It put on Noreascon IV. That suggests that the 2007 SMOFcon should be pretty well organized.

Byron
(who was at SMOFcon I, with Tina, IIRC)

—– Original Message —–
From: Andrew Trembley<mailto:attrembl@bovil.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 6:58 PM
Subject: [runacc] Reports are trickling back…

…from this year’s SMOFcon, held in Kansas City
<http://www.midamericon.org/smofcon/index.htm<http://www.midamericon.org/smofcon/index.htm>>. Yeah, I should have
probably mentioned this earlier for those of you conveniently close to KC.

SMOFcon (in case you didn’t know) is the annual convention of
conrunners. It’s heavily Worldcon-oriented, but not exclusively (one of
the big events is “The SMOFcon Inquisition” where active Worldcon bids
are grilled on their plans). SFSFC, our local big fannish con non-profit
corporation who operated ConFrancisco and ConJose, sponsors a few $500
“scholarships” for Bay Area folks involved in local and regional
conventions to go.

The one ugly report that came back is that SMOFcon 2006 was rather
haphazardly put together. This doesn’t reflect well on MAC’s KC in 2009
Worldcon bid.

SMOFcon 2007 will be in Boston <http://www.mcfi.org/smofcon/<http://www.mcfi.org/smofcon/>>. I don’t
know if we’re going (Boston in December? not likely…) but for those of
you on the east coast, it might be something worth planning. Word is the
focus of programming is going to be on marketing your convention and
boosting attendance…

andy

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Group: runacc Message: 1468 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 12/3/2006
Subject: Re: Reports are trickling back…

Byron Connell wrote:

> Andy —
>
> Arisia is in January in the Boston area!
>

I never said that was sane either. The storm last week, though, was a
definite reminder of why I don’t like traveling north-ish in anything
that people refer to as “winter.” A lot of people didn’t make it to
SMOFcon because of the flight cancellations, reschedules and delays.

> BTW, MCFI is the New England Worldcon-running group. It put on Noreascon IV. That suggests that the 2007 SMOFcon should be pretty well organized.
>

MCFI definitely has a track record of solid organization.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1469 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 12/4/2006
Subject: Next Years Knowne World Costume Symposium location
Hello!

I have found out that bidding for next year’s location is STILL in the air!
Apparently, they only decide about six months before the date of the next one.
So, if I hear anything, I will make sure to spread the word.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1470 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 12/5/2006
Subject: Locus Online convention listings…
<http://www.locusmag.com/Conventions.html>

Probably want to get your con dates sent in…

andy


Andy Trembley, Bull-in-Drag
The Bovine Illuminati (It’s the Cows, Inc.)
http://www.bovil.com/
Moo!

 

Group: runacc Message: 1471 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: Registration / photo release idea
I had an idea about affriming info & gathering photo releases at Registration & wanted to run it by people here to see if they think it would work. (And to see what points I may have missed.)

It goes like this:
1. Create a registration form (based on the existing form) for use at the convention itself. It would contain all the usual stuff but omit the rate scale, dealer info & whatever else is then irrelevant. Add a signature release paragraph that includes a statement verifying that all the information above is correct & allowing use of their photo or video image from the official sources to be used to promote CC25 & Costume-Con only.
2. Generate some of these forms from the registration database pre-filled with the info we have on pre-regged members. Thus we’d get verified info & releases from the pre-reg people.
3. Use these forms at registration for at-the-door members. Again – verified data & releases all at one time.

What does everyone think?

Nora

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Group: runacc Message: 1472 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 12/24/2006
Subject: Re: Registration / photo release idea

In a message dated 12/24/2006 9:19:11 AM Central Standard Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> I had an idea about affriming info &gathering photo releases at
> Registration &wanted to run it by people here to see if they think it would work. (And
> to see what points I may have missed.)
>
> What does everyone think?
>

Hmmm. Yea. Um, I’m going to have to kind of think about that. And my TPS
reports.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1473 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 12/25/2006
Subject: Re: Registration / photo release idea

I think it’s an excellent idea, and you should add a liability release
as well. I’m a prime example of why.

I wasn’t competing or judging at CCXV, or working tech, or any of the
other things I could have been doing at the con when I fell off the
stage and cracked my left rib.

Fortunately, I was the con chair.

Everyone who walks in the door for the con should be signing something
that says “I’m here at my own risk, and I’ll hold the con harmless if I
do something stupid.”

I think I’ve published our release form before. I don’t recall when. I
can *try* to discover it, if it’s in the folder on CCXV in my office and
not in the boxes Ricky picked up from me.

At a bare minimum, you should also consider running it by a lawyer, if
possible.

Or something.

Oh, and Merry Christmas by the way!

Betsy

osierhenry@cs.com wrote:

> In a message dated 12/24/2006 9:19:11 AM Central Standard Time,
> casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:
>
>>I had an idea about affriming info &gathering photo releases at
>>Registration &wanted to run it by people here to see if they think it would work. (And
>>to see what points I may have missed.)
>>
>>What does everyone think?
>>
>
>
>
> Hmmm. Yea. Um, I’m going to have to kind of think about that. And my TPS
> reports.
>
> Henry
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>



Betsy Delaney

*************************************************************************
See my resume at: http://www.hawkeswood.com/betsywork.shtml
*************************************************************************

 

Group: runacc Message: 1474 From: Byron Connell Date: 12/31/2006
Subject: Costume-Con Web Site
Over the last couple of days, I did some research using Costume-Con.org. It was an absolute joy to use!

Kudos to Betsy and her gnomes, and my thanks.

Byron

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Group: runacc Message: 1475 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 1/15/2007
Subject: A request on behalf of my dealers room head
Dave Clark (in charge of our dealers room) is trying to get a feeling
for what recent Costume-Cons have charged, how many dealers, etc as he
develops the design for the CC26 dealers room. While I may have a lot of
that, it’s all in ephemera, as most online information has, of course,
evaporated into the ether by now.

If any of you have that information to hand for your convention, could
you send it to him at dealers@cc26.info? It would be a tremendous help
to him.

Thanks!

Kevin
CC26 Chair

 

Group: runacc Message: 1476 From: Byron Connell Date: 1/18/2007
Subject: Costume Photos in SF Con Art Shows
Richard Man had half a dozen photos of costumes nicely presented in the art show at Arisia last week. This looks to be an effective way to boost costuming’s profile among SF con goers and runners. Are any more con art shows in the offing? I have some influence with Lunacon and Philcon, if needed.

Byron

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Group: runacc Message: 1477 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 1/21/2007
Subject: All Hail Wendy Wildermoth and Pierre Pettinger!
Costume-ConNections is proud to announce that CC20 images have been
posted for the first time thanks to Wendy Wildermoth of the Australian
Costumers’ Guild, who graciously provided the images from her collection.

And, with many thanks to Pierre Pettinger for scanning the photos from
his CC14 collection, most of the images have been updated!

There is still one CC20 image missing (SF01), but steps are being taken
now to find a copy of that image.

I’ve been in touch with the photographer for CC24, and those photos will
be up on display shortly.

With the scanning of photos and replacement of the video snaps for CC1,
video snaps for the few remaining images for which I have no photos, and
the summary of data from each of the CCs (the last of the projects), the
Costume-Con archives online will be complete!

As always, if you have any corrections to make, please let me know!

You’ll find the images here:

http://costume-con.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=2916

and here:

http://costume-con.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=2928

Enjoy!

Betsy



Betsy Delaney

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Group: runacc Message: 1478 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 1/27/2007
Subject: releases examples
I’ve uploaded some examples of Photo, video & liability releases to the files for this list. I’m hoping to use them for CC25 & want some of you to look them over for input.
Like? Not like?

Nora

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Group: runacc Message: 1479 From: runacc@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/27/2007
Subject: New file uploaded to runacc
Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the runacc
group.

File : /release examples.doc
Uploaded by : casamai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>
Description : Photo, Video & Liability release

You can access this file at the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/runacc/files/release%20examples.doc

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files

Regards,

casamai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1480 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 1/27/2007
Subject: Photo, video & liability release
I’ve uploaded some release example that we’re considering for CC25.
I’d like some feedback, though. Like? Don’t like?

Nora

 

Group: runacc Message: 1481 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 1/27/2007
Subject: Re: releases examples

Thanks, Nora!

I’ll have a look tomorrow. Waiting for my toes to finally thaw out from
today’s peace rally and this evening’s theatre workshop. I’ll have more
time on Monday, if you can wait that long…

Cheers,

Betsy

Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> I’ve uploaded some examples of Photo, video & liability releases to the files for this list. I’m hoping to use them for CC25 & want some of you to look them over for input.
> Like? Not like?
>
> Nora
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>



Betsy Delaney

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See my resume at: http://www.hawkeswood.com/betsywork.shtml
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Group: runacc Message: 1482 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 1/31/2007
Subject: Please forgive the shotgun-blast…
Equal enforcement of the masquerade rules is the cornerstone of fair
competition.

*Entry number 40, “The Idolm@ster”* has been disqualified from the Anime
Los Angeles 2007 masquerade competition for violating the rules, and
their award for “Best Choreography” has been revoked.

Rule #1 of the masquerade is “All contestants must be attending members
of Anime Los Angeles. If the maker and presenter are different people,
both must be attending members. Purchased and rented costumes may not be
entered.” One of the presenters in the entry was not a member of the
convention.

For details, see:
<http://community.livejournal.com/animelosangeles/46869.html>

Andy Trembley
Co-director
Anime Los Angeles 2007 Masquerade

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Group: runacc Message: 1483 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 2/1/2007
Subject: Another disqualification…
Equal enforcement of the masquerade rules is the cornerstone of fair
competition.

Entry number 20, “Stephane Kohlwey” has been disqualified from the
Anime Los Angeles 2007 masquerade competition for violating the
rules, and her Workmanship Award for “Excellence in Leather Bodice
Work” is hereby revoked.

Rule #1 of the masquerade is All contestants must be attending
members of Anime Los Angeles. If the maker and presenter are
different people, both must be attending members. Purchased and
rented costumes may not be entered.

The bodice and skirt combo that was the most prominent piece of
clothing in the entry was purchased from “Leg Avenue Costumes” and is
their “FAUX LEATHER UNDERWIRE LACE UP SIDE BUSTIEA LONG GOWN” (sic).
We have decided that adding streamers to the skirt and a line of trim
to the bottom of the bodice were not significant enough modifications
to comply with the rules.

For full details, please see

<http://community.livejournal.com/animelosangeles/48474.html>

Andy Trembley
Co-director
Anime Los Angeles 2007 Masquerade

 

Group: runacc Message: 1484 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 2/1/2007
Subject: Re: Another disqualification…
In the Chicago area, there is a young fellow who does Dr. Frankenfurter. He
has done it enough times, and the same folks seem to either be running the
masq’s or judging them, so that the next time he enters, he will, if all goes
well, be in the masq as a Not In Competition.

Henry Osier
Chief Spy
Costume-Con 28 Bid in Milwaukee in 2010
www.SpyBid.org

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Group: runacc Message: 1485 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 2/1/2007
Subject: Refunds
Got a question for the folks who have been through the CC ringer in the past.

We’ve just received two seperate requests for a refund on their memberships, due to financial obstacles. One involves 3 members at $255 + Poison Pen is having to back out ($215 – membership + tables). Ouch.

So – what kind of refund policy have you guys had in the past (if any)? Is there a cut off point at which there is no refund?

We didn’t run into this last time, so far as I know. Thoughts?

Bruce

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Group: runacc Message: 1486 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 2/1/2007
Subject: Re: Refunds

Well, we haven’t been through the wringer yet, but I’ve set up reg for
several other meetings and set our CC policy based on that experience:

We have a $25 cancellation fee (that will go up closer to the
convention, and finally there is no refund save for documented actual
emergencies, judged at the discretion of our officers).

We also point out that memberships are 100% transferrable for no fee and
encourage folks to see if someone else wants to buy their membership.

How’s that?

Kevin

Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

>
> Got a question for the folks who have been through the CC ringer in
> the past.
>
> We’ve just received two seperate requests for a refund on their
> memberships, due to financial obstacles. One involves 3 members at
> $255 + Poison Pen is having to back out ($215 – membership + tables).
> Ouch.
>
> So – what kind of refund policy have you guys had in the past (if
> any)? Is there a cut off point at which there is no refund?
>
> We didn’t run into this last time, so far as I know. Thoughts?
>
> Bruce
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1487 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 2/1/2007
Subject: Re: Refunds

On the one hand, I’m with Kevin on this one. The individual memberships
are transferrable. (I’m proof of that, thanks to Ron and Janice Dallas.)

On the other hand, the latter’s trickier, since dealer space isn’t as
easy to simply swap.

Do you have a dealer waiting list? If so, you could, in theory, arrange
to sell the tables to another dealer and refund the money to Poison
Press on receipt of the money from new dealer.

It’s too hazy now, 10 years down the road, but I’m almost certain we ran
into this exact problem at CCXV, and if I recall correctly, that’s
precisely how we handled it. No replacement, no refund.

If the dealer purchased additional memberships, they should, in theory,
be responsible for locating individuals who want to buy them.

I don’t recall that we set a cancellation policy, since the transfer
option was in place from the beginning.

That’s the policy I’d set, if it were my con.

Your mileage may vary…..

Cheers,

Betsy

Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair wrote:

> Well, we haven’t been through the wringer yet, but I’ve set up reg for
> several other meetings and set our CC policy based on that experience:
>
> We have a $25 cancellation fee (that will go up closer to the
> convention, and finally there is no refund save for documented actual
> emergencies, judged at the discretion of our officers).
>
> We also point out that memberships are 100% transferrable for no fee and
> encourage folks to see if someone else wants to buy their membership.
>
> How’s that?
>
> Kevin



Betsy Delaney

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Group: runacc Message: 1488 From: Les Roth Date: 2/2/2007
Subject: Re: Refunds

Bruce,

We had no requests at CC24 for a refund. Our policy at DemiCon has
been that financial shortfall is not enough of a reason to offer a
refund.

We’ve rolled memberships forward for reasons of illness or
unavoidable schedule conflicts (weddings, graduations, or if we
changed our dates). However I realize that rolling memberships is not
an option for a CC.

Les

Live, never to be ashamed if everything you do is published around the
world. Even if what is published is not true. — Richard Bach

On Feb 1, 2007, at 7:53 PM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> Got a question for the folks who have been through the CC ringer in
> the past.
>
> We’ve just received two seperate requests for a refund on their
> memberships, due to financial obstacles. One involves 3 members at
> $255 + Poison Pen is having to back out ($215 – membership +
> tables). Ouch.
>
> So – what kind of refund policy have you guys had in the past (if
> any)? Is there a cut off point at which there is no refund?
>
> We didn’t run into this last time, so far as I know. Thoughts?
>
> Bruce
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 1489 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 2/2/2007
Subject: Re: Refunds

No refunds if it’s gonna hurt the con.

Memberships can be sold traded transfered whatever, and it’s cool if you help them by posting it, .

Same with the dealers tables .

but with the dealers tables, you’ve said it was a sell out.
IF you have a waiting list, and someone wants them, then give Poison Pen thier money back.

If not, then at the very least wait till after con, see how many thousands in profit you have ( LOL) and grant her a refund if you decide.

but if you’ve been turning people away for her table, and now she wants out, and you can’t resell it, then I don’t see how this close in, you can afford to refund.

Ricky

dealers room co-ordinator cc5 and cc9

—– Original Message —–
From: Bruce & Nora Mai
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 8:53 PM
Subject: [runacc] Refunds

Got a question for the folks who have been through the CC ringer in the past.

We’ve just received two seperate requests for a refund on their memberships, due to financial obstacles. One involves 3 members at $255 + Poison Pen is having to back out ($215 – membership + tables). Ouch.

So – what kind of refund policy have you guys had in the past (if any)? Is there a cut off point at which there is no refund?

We didn’t run into this last time, so far as I know. Thoughts?

Bruce

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Group: runacc Message: 1490 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 2/4/2007
Subject: CC25 Refund Policy
Below is our transfer & Refund policy as it appears on the website.

www.cc25.net/Policies.htm

“Membership Transfer & Refund Policy:
Transfers
All Memberships are 100% transferable. Members who are unable to
attend
for whatever reason are encouraged to find purchasers for their
memberships.
The original purchaser of the membership is responsible for the
transaction,
making sure that the Membership Coordinator for CC25 receives the new
member’s contact information & that the new member receives all
promotional
materials the original purchaser has already received from the
Convention.
Refunds
Most Conventions do not refund memberships.
However we will consider refunds on a case by case basis. If a refund
is
granted, 50% of your original fee will be retained by the Convention
to
cover costs incurred due to the Member’s cancellation.
No refunds will be granted after February 26, 2007 (30 days prior to
the convention).
Past this date only absolute documented emergencies will be
considered
eligible for a refund.”

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Group: runacc Message: 1491 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 2/5/2007
Subject: Re: Photo, video & liability release

On Jan 26, 2007, at 1:01 PM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> I’ve uploaded some release example that we’re considering for CC25.
> I’d like some feedback, though. Like? Don’t like?
>
> Nora

The release forms we used for ALA are up at:
< http://www.animelosangeles.org/anime-la/2007/masq.pdf>
(page 3 + 4)

Short and simple is better than long and wordy.

The liability release we used is based on boilerplate but I don’t
remember where I found it.

The photo release is based on boilerplate supplied by a lawyer to a
professional photographer’s forum. For photo releases, it’s important
that the release indicates that license is given in exchange for
something (even if that “something” is just the right to participate
in the masquerade). Damned if I understand why, but I’ve heard this
from several lawyers.

The last bit is to stifle drama.


andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/

Play Internet Argument-Losing Bingo!
<http://www.shortpacked.com/d/20060405.html>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1492 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 2/5/2007
Subject: Re: Photo, video & liability release

Jam it all together and it looks like the same length.

Bruce

—– Original Message —–
From: Andrew T Trembley
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Photo, video & liability release

On Jan 26, 2007, at 1:01 PM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
> I’ve uploaded some release example that we’re considering for CC25.
> I’d like some feedback, though. Like? Don’t like?
>
> Nora

The release forms we used for ALA are up at:
< http://www.animelosangeles.org/anime-la/2007/masq.pdf>
(page 3 + 4)

Short and simple is better than long and wordy.

The liability release we used is based on boilerplate but I don’t
remember where I found it.

The photo release is based on boilerplate supplied by a lawyer to a
professional photographer’s forum. For photo releases, it’s important
that the release indicates that license is given in exchange for
something (even if that “something” is just the right to participate
in the masquerade). Damned if I understand why, but I’ve heard this
from several lawyers.

The last bit is to stifle drama.


andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/

Play Internet Argument-Losing Bingo!
<http://www.shortpacked.com/d/20060405.html>

View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
Yahoo! Groups Links

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Group: runacc Message: 1493 From: Martin Gear Date: 2/6/2007
Subject: Re: Photo, video & liability release

Andrew T Trembley wrote:

>
> On Jan 26, 2007, at 1:01 PM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
> > I’ve uploaded some release example that we’re considering for CC25.
> > I’d like some feedback, though. Like? Don’t like?
> >
> > Nora
>
> The release forms we used for ALA are up at:
> < http://www.animelosangeles.org/anime-la/2007/masq.pdf
> <http://www.animelosangeles.org/anime-la/2007/masq.pdf>>
> (page 3 + 4)
>
> Short and simple is better than long and wordy.
>
> The liability release we used is based on boilerplate but I don’t
> remember where I found it.
>
> The photo release is based on boilerplate supplied by a lawyer to a
> professional photographer’s forum. For photo releases, it’s important
> that the release indicates that license is given in exchange for
> something (even if that “something” is just the right to participate
> in the masquerade). Damned if I understand why, but I’ve heard this
> from several lawyers.
>

> *I**t is called “consideration” and is a basic part of U.S. common and
> commercial law. No contract or license is valid without consideration
> being given in exchange for whatever. (And that’s from basic contract
> law courses taken 40+ years ago.)*
>

^M^

>
> MARTY –
>

> The last bit is to stifle drama.
>
> andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
> <http://www.bovil.com/>
>
> Play Internet Argument-Losing Bingo!
> <http://www.shortpacked.com/d/20060405.html
> <http://www.shortpacked.com/d/20060405.html>>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1494 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 2/6/2007
Subject: call for readers…
<http://bovil.livejournal.com/241271.html>

Anybody willing to look this over for me? Particularly folks who are
running CC masquerades?


andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
San Jose, CA – ’72 R75/5 ’86 R100 (mine) – ’92 K75sa ’03 R1150R
(Kevin’s)
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Group: runacc Message: 1495 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 2/6/2007
Subject: Re: Photo, video & liability release

At 07:56 PM 2/5/2007, you wrote:

>On Jan 26, 2007, at 1:01 PM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
> > I’ve uploaded some release example that we’re considering for CC25.
> > I’d like some feedback, though. Like? Don’t like?
> >
> > Nora
>
>The release forms we used for ALA are up at:
>< http://www.animelosangeles.org/anime-la/2007/masq.pdf>
>(page 3 + 4)
>
>Short and simple is better than long and wordy.
>
>The liability release we used is based on boilerplate but I don’t
>remember where I found it.
>
>The photo release is based on boilerplate supplied by a lawyer to a
>professional photographer’s forum. For photo releases, it’s important
>that the release indicates that license is given in exchange for
>something (even if that “something” is just the right to participate
>in the masquerade). Damned if I understand why, but I’ve heard this
>from several lawyers.

Not being a lawyer, I’ll hazard a guess. Its likely that, since the
signer is being asked to give up something (in this case the photo
rights) it becomes a contract. I believe to be valid, a contract
requires a quid pro quo, in this case the right to participate in the
masquerade.

Pierre

>The last bit is to stifle drama.
>
>–
>andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
>
>Play Internet Argument-Losing Bingo!
><http://www.shortpacked.com/d/20060405.html>
>
>
>
>View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

“Those Who Fail To Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly —
Why They Are Simply Doomed.

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C.Y. 4971

Andromeda

 

Group: runacc Message: 1496 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 2/6/2007
Subject: Re: call for readers…

Don’t forget video – at least a fixed camera for convention and ICG archives.

Pierre

At 07:40 PM 2/6/2007, you wrote:

><http://bovil.livejournal.com/241271.html>
>
>Anybody willing to look this over for me? Particularly folks who are
>running CC masquerades?
>
>–
>andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
>San Jose, CA – ’72 R75/5 ’86 R100 (mine) – ’92 K75sa ’03 R1150R
>(Kevin’s)
>…remaining .sig trimmed for better message/.sig ratio

“Those Who Fail To Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly —
Why They Are Simply Doomed.

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C.Y. 4971

Andromeda

 

Group: runacc Message: 1497 From: Elaine Mami Date: 2/10/2007
Subject: Re: call for readers…

Andy,

Sorry, but I can’t read it.

Elaine

Nil significat nisi oscillat!

>
><http://bovil.livejournal.com/241271.html>
>
>Anybody willing to look this over for me? Particularly folks who are
>running CC masquerades?
>
>–
>andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
>San Jose, CA – ’72 R75/5 ’86 R100 (mine) – ’92 K75sa ’03 R1150R
>(Kevin’s)
>…remaining .sig trimmed for better message/.sig ratio
>

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Group: runacc Message: 1498 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 3/16/2007
Subject: Costume-ConNections web site updated…
I just posted changes to the Costume-Con/nections/ web site. You may be
interested in reading the message on the home page.

http://costume-con.org/index.shtml

I’m going to curl up and go to sleep now.

Cheers,

Betsy


Betsy Delaney

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Yahoo! Groups Links



Betsy Delaney

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Group: runacc Message: 1499 From: Byron Connell Date: 3/24/2007
Subject: Off to Costume-Con 25
We leave for Costume-Con 25 tomorrow and will be out of E-mail touch until April 9, so I’m signing off for now.

If I don’t see you at the con, I’ll be back in a couple of weeks.

Byron

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Group: runacc Message: 1500 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 4/3/2007
Subject: Back from CC25
So we got back home somewhere around 11:30 today, after having one more look around the hotel before we checked out.

Overall, from feedback we’ve received, we did pretty good. Also, even without looking at the books yet, we did better than break even. Keep an eye on the D list over the next few days for posts regarding what went one. I think we’ll hold off on making a full post-con report until after our post-mortem meeting in about 3 weeks, which will include what we thought worked as well as what didn’t.

For now, we’re satisfied we did the best job we could and it seemed to pay off.

FYI, there’s been some good postings on Cosplay.com as well.

Bruce

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Group: runacc Message: 1401 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: Folio Publishing (Moving this over to RUNACC-was Re: [ICG-D]
Group: runacc Message: 1402 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/1/2006
Subject: Re: Folio Publishing
Group: runacc Message: 1403 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 5/1/2006
Subject: Re: Folio Publishing (Moving this over to RUNACC-was Re: [ICG-D] R
Group: runacc Message: 1404 From: bruno Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: Re: Folio Publishing (Moving this over to RUNACC-was Re: [ICG-D] Re
Group: runacc Message: 1405 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: Re: Folio Publishing (Moving this over to RUNACC-was Re: [ICG-D] Re
Group: runacc Message: 1406 From: Trudy Leonard Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: Re: Folio Publishing (Moving this over to RUNACC-was Re: [ICG-D] Re
Group: runacc Message: 1407 From: srabba Date: 5/10/2006
Subject: Last call for CC24 program book ads
Group: runacc Message: 1408 From: srabba Date: 5/10/2006
Subject: Where to send ads
Group: runacc Message: 1409 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/10/2006
Subject: Re: Where to send ads
Group: runacc Message: 1410 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/10/2006
Subject: Re: Where to send ads
Group: runacc Message: 1411 From: srabba Date: 6/1/2006
Subject: Lessons Learned CC-24
Group: runacc Message: 1412 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/1/2006
Subject: The SLCG “committee” review part I
Group: runacc Message: 1413 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/1/2006
Subject: The “Committee Review”, part II
Group: runacc Message: 1414 From: bruno Date: 6/1/2006
Subject: Re: The “Committee Review”, part II
Group: runacc Message: 1415 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 6/2/2006
Subject: Re: Lessons Learned CC-24
Group: runacc Message: 1416 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 6/3/2006
Subject: Re: Lessons Learned CC-24 – FFS
Group: runacc Message: 1417 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/4/2006
Subject: Re: Lessons Learned CC-24 – FFS
Group: runacc Message: 1418 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/4/2006
Subject: Re: Lessons Learned CC-24 – FFS
Group: runacc Message: 1419 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 6/4/2006
Subject: Re: Lessons Learned CC-24 – FFS
Group: runacc Message: 1420 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/4/2006
Subject: Re: Lessons Learned CC-24 – FFS
Group: runacc Message: 1421 From: Kevin Roche Date: 6/4/2006
Subject: Re: Lessons Learned CC-24 – FFS
Group: runacc Message: 1422 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/4/2006
Subject: Re: Lessons Learned CC-24 – FFS
Group: runacc Message: 1423 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/10/2006
Subject: Cell Phone policy
Group: runacc Message: 1424 From: bruno Date: 6/10/2006
Subject: Re: Cell Phone policy
Group: runacc Message: 1425 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Re: Cell Phone policy
Group: runacc Message: 1426 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Re: Cell Phone policy
Group: runacc Message: 1427 From: Tina Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Re: Cell Phone policy
Group: runacc Message: 1428 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/12/2006
Subject: Re: Cell Phone policy
Group: runacc Message: 1429 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/13/2006
Subject: Re: Cell Phone policy
Group: runacc Message: 1430 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/20/2006
Subject: CC21 FFF’s!
Group: runacc Message: 1431 From: John O’Halloran Date: 6/20/2006
Subject: Re: Cell Phone policy
Group: runacc Message: 1432 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 7/1/2006
Subject: Costume-Con Service Mark Update
Group: runacc Message: 1433 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 7/1/2006
Subject: Re: Costume-Con Service Mark Update
Group: runacc Message: 1434 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 7/1/2006
Subject: Re: Costume-Con Service Mark Update
Group: runacc Message: 1435 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 7/12/2006
Subject: Linkage…
Group: runacc Message: 1436 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 7/15/2006
Subject: Re: Linkage…
Group: runacc Message: 1437 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 7/15/2006
Subject: Re: Linkage…
Group: runacc Message: 1438 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 7/18/2006
Subject: Talking about CC memberships
Group: runacc Message: 1439 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 7/18/2006
Subject: Re: Talking about CC memberships
Group: runacc Message: 1440 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 8/13/2006
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Registration behavior questoni
Group: runacc Message: 1441 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 8/13/2006
Subject: Uniflyers
Group: runacc Message: 1442 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 8/13/2006
Subject: Re: Uniflyers
Group: runacc Message: 1443 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 8/13/2006
Subject: Re: Uniflyers
Group: runacc Message: 1444 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 8/13/2006
Subject: More registration behavior info
Group: runacc Message: 1445 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 8/14/2006
Subject: Re: More registration behavior info
Group: runacc Message: 1446 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 8/14/2006
Subject: Re: More registration behavior info
Group: runacc Message: 1447 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 9/7/2006
Subject: Costume-Con 25 FFF Results
Group: runacc Message: 1448 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 9/28/2006
Subject: A reminder to folks when selecting official photographers…
Group: runacc Message: 1449 From: Kevin Roche Date: 10/6/2006
Subject: Announcing Costume-Con 26 Hotel and Room Rates
Group: runacc Message: 1450 From: John O’Halloran Date: 10/7/2006
Subject: Re: Announcing Costume-Con 26 Hotel and Room Rates

 


 

Group: runacc Message: 1401 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: Folio Publishing (Moving this over to RUNACC-was Re: [ICG-D]

Hey, Pierre!

That might be unnecessary. I recall that Carl already scanned in quite a
few (in theory). Or, at least, I think so.

Do you have that part of the Archives yet?

Cheers,

Betsy

Pierre & Sandy Pettinger wrote:

> At 08:41 PM 4/29/2006, you wrote:
>
> I have a complete set of folios. I’ve been planning to scan them in.
> I’ll try to do that this summer and send you the files. Then you can
> print extras if some disappear.
>
> Pierre
>
>>In a message dated 4/29/2006 8:34:00 PM Central Standard Time,
>>bruno@soulmasque.com writes:
>>
>>>Just make sure you keep an eye on them or chain them to a table. I don’t
>>>have any folios prior to CC23 because I used to take them to fan
>>
>>tables, and
>>
>>>they were all stolen.
>>>
>>>Michael
>>
>>I think I have extras from CC21. I will find out tomorrow. Let me know if you
>>would like one.
>>Henry
>
>
> “Those Who Fail To Learn History
> Are Doomed to Repeat It;
> Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly —
> Why They Are Simply Doomed.
>
> Achemdro’hm
> “The Illusion of Historical Fact”
> — C.Y. 4971
>
> Andromeda
>
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



Betsy Delaney
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Group: runacc Message: 1402 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/1/2006
Subject: Re: Folio Publishing

On Apr 29, 2006, at 6:33 PM, bruno wrote:

> Just make sure you keep an eye on them or chain them to a table. I
> don’t have any folios prior to CC23 because I used to take them to fan
> tables, and they were all stolen.

I’m thinking that taking them to Kinkos, having them drilled for a
binder, and sticking them in binders, while a bit bulky would
discourage theft. The comb-bound editions would be particularly easy to
deal with; drill ’em and pull the comb and they would lay flat in
binders nicely.

If there are any boxes of spare copies of old folios floating around,
it might be a good idea to bring to Des Moines; I know a few of us
would like extra copies for promotional purposes.


andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen
http://www.irlm.org/ – mailto:webmaster@irlm.org
“Anybody who takes this seriously deserves to”
— Donna Barr

 

Group: runacc Message: 1403 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 5/1/2006
Subject: Re: Folio Publishing (Moving this over to RUNACC-was Re: [ICG-D] R

At 07:26 PM 4/30/2006, you wrote:

>Hey, Pierre!
>
>That might be unnecessary. I recall that Carl already scanned in quite a
>few (in theory). Or, at least, I think so.
>
>Do you have that part of the Archives yet?

Actually, I have very little of the archives yet. I believe Carl
plans to bring a lot of it to me at CC since they are driving and
we’re only 3 hours from there.

Pierre

>Cheers,
>
>Betsy
>

“Those Who Fail To Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly —
Why They Are Simply Doomed.

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C.Y. 4971

Andromeda

 

Group: runacc Message: 1404 From: bruno Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: Re: Folio Publishing (Moving this over to RUNACC-was Re: [ICG-D] Re

Thank you Henry and Trudy for the offers of Fashion Folios, although I never had those, I would like to get them. The ones I miss the most are the ones that I actually had designs published in.

If the offer still stands, I’d be happy to pick them up at CC and save on the postage.

Michael

> ——-Original Message——-
> From: osierhenry@cs.com

> Michael,
> I just located the extra FFF from CC21. I have plenty of extras. Send
> me your mailing address and I will get one out to you in the mail this week.
> As soon as I get a count on them, in a few days, I will make them
> available to archives, then anyone in this group.
> Henry

 

Group: runacc Message: 1405 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: Re: Folio Publishing (Moving this over to RUNACC-was Re: [ICG-D] Re

In a message dated 5/1/2006 11:19:42 PM Central Standard Time,
bruno@soulmasque.com writes:

> If the offer still stands, I’d be happy to pick them up at CC and save on
> the postage.

I’ll bring all the surplus ones I have for us in this group. Remember to use
our secret handshake when greeting each other!
Henry

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 1406 From: Trudy Leonard Date: 5/2/2006
Subject: Re: Folio Publishing (Moving this over to RUNACC-was Re: [ICG-D] Re

The four of us are road-tripping up, so I should be able to stick a box of
them in the van. You’re welcome to as many as you’d like and anyone else is
invited to take them as well.

Trudy

>From: “bruno” <bruno@soulmasque.com>
>Reply-To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
>To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [runacc] Folio Publishing (Moving this over to RUNACC-was Re:
>[ICG-D] Rep…
>Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 04:18:53 +0000
>
>Thank you Henry and Trudy for the offers of Fashion Folios, although I
>never had those, I would like to get them. The ones I miss the most are
>the ones that I actually had designs published in.
>
>If the offer still stands, I’d be happy to pick them up at CC and save on
>the postage.
>
>
>Michael
>
>
> > ——-Original Message——-
> > From: osierhenry@cs.com
>
> > Michael,
> > I just located the extra FFF from CC21. I have plenty of extras.
>Send
> > me your mailing address and I will get one out to you in the mail this
>week.
> > As soon as I get a count on them, in a few days, I will make
>them
> > available to archives, then anyone in this group.
> > Henry

 

Group: runacc Message: 1407 From: srabba Date: 5/10/2006
Subject: Last call for CC24 program book ads
Greetings,

This is the final opportunity to get an ad in CC-24’s program book.
We need the ads ASAP as in no later than Friday 5/12. At this time
we only have one ad from the costume community and that is for the
Milwaukee CC-28 bid. Here are the particulars.

Page size 8.5″ X 5″
Cost
$100 full page
$50 half page

Payment options
PayPal email finance@epicmovies.org

Check
Costume-Con 24
PO Box 7572
Des Moines, IA 50323-7572

Sallie

 

Group: runacc Message: 1408 From: srabba Date: 5/10/2006
Subject: Where to send ads
Hello again,

I forgot to mention where to send the ad to. At this point we need
electronic format, either word, .pdf or a standard graphic format such
as, .jpg, etc. Send to gsabba@worldnet.att.net.

Thanks,
Sallie

 

Group: runacc Message: 1409 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/10/2006
Subject: Re: Where to send ads

What’s the deadline?

Bruce

—– Original Message —–
From: “srabba” <gsabba@att.net>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 10:01 AM
Subject: [runacc] Where to send ads

> Hello again,
>
> I forgot to mention where to send the ad to. At this point we need
> electronic format, either word, .pdf or a standard graphic format such
> as, .jpg, etc. Send to gsabba@worldnet.att.net.
>
> Thanks,
> Sallie
>
>
>
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1410 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/10/2006
Subject: Re: Where to send ads

And in what format/size?

Nora

—– Original Message —–
From: “srabba” <gsabba@att.net>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 10:01 AM
Subject: [runacc] Where to send ads

> Hello again,
>
> I forgot to mention where to send the ad to. At this point we need
> electronic format, either word, .pdf or a standard graphic format such
> as, .jpg, etc. Send to gsabba@worldnet.att.net.
>
> Thanks,
> Sallie
>
>
>
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1411 From: srabba Date: 6/1/2006
Subject: Lessons Learned CC-24
Hello all,

Bruce Mai asked for “lessons learned” from the CC-24 staff and I’d
like to share some of my observations. He also requested the cross
post to runacc and CC-25. There’s only 55 days before we return to
the Hotel Fort Des Moines for the start of DemiCon, so there isn’t as
much time to process and analyze, as I’d like, so this may be a bit
rambled and disjointed, but I better get to this before DemiCon
demands take over my brain.

Please feel free to ask questions or for clarification on any of my
comments or any other CC-24 related topics. Other staff may have
different thoughts and observations that I hope they find time to
share with you too. We did some things well and some things we could
have done better I’ll try and point out both.

First lesson is – it is never too early – After our bid was
officially accepted we did contact some people and businesses.
Understandably they were unable to make a firm commitment 3+ years
out so we decided to hold off on further contacts until a little
later. However, in some cases, things went from too early to
suddenly being too late. If I were to do it again I would make all
the contacts I could think of as early as possible and keep a
spreadsheet of when to check back. I’d also do regular email updates
with these contacts (or postcards for those without email) probably
once a quarter or so. Nothing fancy just something to keep Costume-
Con on their radar screen so they didn’t forget and book something
else between the personal contacts.

We needed a program co-director who was better known in costuming
circles. I’m glad we had a local person chairing the program because
we could take advantage of local resources, but we were at a
disadvantage when contacting the costume community. For costume
clubs hosting a Costume-Con this probably would end up being one and
the same person. However, since our club is not a costuming
organization that wasn’t an option for us. Things turned out okay,
but it was a struggle at times for our program director when
contacting those in the costuming community. The problem was two
fold. One, knowing who to contact for various topics and two, the
comfort level of those contacted with someone they really didn’t know.

One thing that caught us by surprise was the issue of tag-a-longs.
By that I mean there were spouses, significant others, friends, etc.
that weren’t costumers, but wanted to “tag-a-long” at times during
the convention. These folks wanted some sort of special rate since
they wouldn’t technically be participating at the convention just
watching. We did not make special accommodations for tag-a-longs.
It was hard to turn away folks willing to give us money, but it
seemed unfair to those that had already purchased memberships to
create a new option so late in the process. Future CCs might want to
consider whether a tag-a-long rate is appropriate. We did not badge
the display lobby, and in fact we encouraged the curious to visit the
dealers and look at the display costumes. In some cases this
resulted in ticket sales.

While I’m talking about it here’s our rate structure for those that
might be curious.
$65 – 4/2003 – 12/2003
$75 – 1/2004 – 12/2004
$85 – 1/2005 – 12/2005
$95 Full weekend $40 for kids 5 – 12 (starting 1/1/2006)
$40 – one-day memberships for Friday, Saturday and Sunday. One-days
included the evening show or event. ($20 children 5 – 12)
$25 – Monday only membership. This was more a formality for
insurance purposes. I don’t believe we sold any.
$10 – Masquerade tickets $5 children 5 –12. Entry into show only did
not include access to ConSuite. We didn’t plan on selling tickets to
the FFS, but had requests and ended up selling 6 at $5 each.
$250 Family membership (2 adults, 2 or more children) this rate was
for immediate families only and not for extended, or faux families.
$125 Dealer package included one table and one membership.
$75 per additional dealer tables

We did not promote our family membership mostly to avoid any issues
these types of packages tend to invite. We had a local family with
three kids ask if there was a family rate. Our intention was that a
nuclear family (as in parents and children) would not have to pay
more than $250 to attend CC-24. Perhaps we should have been braver
and promoted this option more.

We did not have a policy for badge loaning. It was only briefly a
concern at CC-24 and goes along with the tag-a-long problem. Future
committees might want to think about what they want to do about the
issue.

I am glad we decided to sell show tickets for the masquerades. This
was a help with tag-a-longs and we also sold some to the general
public. I don’t have an exact count of the show tickets sold, but do
believe it was over $100. Worth the effort at least.

We should have used a presenter’s form for our panelists, one that
listed equipment needed, etc. A form would have standardized
requests and reminded panelist to let us know what they needed in a
timely matter. We managed to cover most everything, but a
presenter’s form might have saved us a minor bump or two.

There were a couple of double booking issues with the schedule.
Partly because of a last minute shuffle of panels and partly because
we didn’t complete some communication loops. Confirmation emails
were to go out to panelist, but not everyone confirmed their
schedules. We should have been more thorough in double-checking
after every shift in the schedule. Also, I don’t think we made note
of things like who the MC for the shows were and who the judges and
judges’ liaisons were. Not sure if that was a contributing factor in
double booking or not, but it was certainly something we needed to
know and keep track of better.

It worked out well for us to have 15 minutes between panels. This
gave panelists time to set up and tear down. It also gave
participants time to make a bathroom stop or visit the ConSuite. It
did mean we burned some potential programming time, but I think the
trade off was worth it. I’d be curious to hear other opinions.

Collecting announcements for the shows and events at registration
worked well. To my knowledge there were no requested announcements
or awards that were over looked. In most cases the MCs also provided
opportunity for announcements to come from the floor just in case
we’d forgotten or missed something also a good plan.

We stumbled into an opportunity to do a service project rather late
into things. We decided to go ahead and offer the project to the
attendees anyway. We were able to complete 46 trauma dolls used to
aid hospitals and EMS personnel when interacting with children.
Participants also cut, sewed and turned several more in preparation
for other organizations to work on. The trauma doll organizers were
thrilled. There were some attendees who took patterns and contact
information to start similar programs in their local area. It was
nice to have a chance to do for others and make a difference in the
community at large. I just wish we’d found out about the program
sooner so we could have included information in the program book and
on the schedule. This is also the sort of activity that generates
good publicity too.

Budget concerns directed some of our choices. For instance we
elected to print the schedule and hotel map in the program book
rather than as a separate publication. Also along the same line we
chose not to publish bios of the panelists thus saving several pages
in the program book. Money was only part of the decision for just
listing names of panelists. There was also the logistics of
collecting all the necessary information. It became apparent that we
weren’t going to be able to gather information on all the
participants in time for publication; another point for it is never
too early.

We also didn’t print a food guide. Fortunately we have a local paper
that publishes a free dining/activity guide including a map.

We were very conservative on the number of program books we ordered.
We did print a one-page schedule that we used for one-day memberships
on Saturday especially so we wouldn’t run out of the books too soon.
We did get more at-the-door memberships than we had expected.

One of our best assets was the Hotel Fort Des Moines; we are
fortunate to have an established and an on going relationship with a
very classy facility. We also had the luxury of space to burn. This
allowed us to offer a workroom, discussion room and a video room
without compromising program potential. We were also able to provide
a rehearsal space that matched the stage size for participants to
practice their presentations. Not every Costume-Con will have these
options because of space limitations in available (and affordable)
facilities. However, I’m glad we were able to offer them and I know
they were all used at various times during the weekend.

Video room – Because we had the extra space we decided to set up a
video room for the weekend. We had a number of epic movies to show
and the plan was to view the masquerade videos after the shows here
too. Unfortunately there was some miscommunication and we were only
able to run the SF show once on Saturday and didn’t get a chance to
run the Historical or FFS. The video room could also be an option
for tag-a-longs and possibly children’s programming too. Again not
every facility will have the extra space to provide an on going video
room, but if the space is available I think it can be a useful
service.

Judges Chambers – The hotel layout allowed us to provide a room for
judges for the weekend. Judges for all the shows were able to use the
room for deliberation, storage and pre-judging for the Historical
Masquerade. We set up a computer and printer to generate
certificates on demand. This arrangement worked very well especially
after we oriented our judges’ tech so he knew what content to include
on the certificates.

Having computers and printers on site was extremely useful. We
printed the programs for the masquerades as needed and we were able
to provide entry forms and release forms on demand. Once all the
participant data was entered into our database we could generate
specific forms for the MC, judges, tech crew, green room and any
other reports necessary. This saved us the expense and time of
running out for copies. It also allowed us to make corrections and
additions right up to the last minute. We did have a last minute
addition to the Historical masquerade and I’m glad we were able to
accommodate the entry and include the entry information on the
program.

I’d just like to thank the MDs for being flexible and understanding
with first time Costumers who were unfamiliar with the usual
procedures.

We used a digital camera and photo printer to take judges’ photos in
the green room. Finding film for a Polaroid camera is increasingly
difficult not to mention expensive. The digital camera arrangement
seemed to work well. The photos are larger and clearer too as a
bonus.

On line masquerade registration – Les developed a system that allowed
attendees to enter the masquerades on line. All the forms and
releases were there as well as space to request lighting and other
technical assistance. They could return and edit their entries and
even up load their music. Masquerade Directors could view all the
entries in their show, but participants could only view their own
information. We did have some entries use the system and it seemed
to work fine. I think there is a lot of potential for this system
especially if we could get more people to use it. It would certainly
make planning for necessary tech time easier if we knew in advance
how many potential entries to expect.

I personally really enjoyed the runway layout for the FFS and I also
appreciated showing the sketches of the designs in the show as well
as some of the winning designs that weren’t represented in the show.
I thought these arrangements really allowed the audience to get a
good look at the designs and to get an appreciation for the folio
process in general. The layout provided nearly three times the front
row space as the masquerade stage layout. However, this is just the
perspective of someone who was watching the show and I’ve no idea how
this layout worked for the participants of the show. I do know that
there wasn’t sufficient time for the participants to get a full
rehearsal on the stage. I don’t know why that was, but even so
things seemed to go just wonderfully.

Because of the gambling laws in Iowa we couldn’t hold a raffle as
some Costume-Cons in the past have had. We put together a creative
fundraiser selling stars for the Walk-of-Fame. I don’t have final
figures yet, but we did sell one Studio Mogul package and 4 or 5
other stars as well as several “star tails” which came with
individual tickets. Most people declined to take their star tail and
just took the tickets.

Tech Crew Seal of Approval Award came about as recognition for the
entry that makes the most of their time with the tech crew. Our tech
crew has done tech at several venues. We’ve also competed in various
masquerades. One thing we’ve come to realize is there is some times
an incorrect perception that some participants have of the purpose of
Tech Rehearsal. This is actually a rehearsal for the tech crew not
for the entry. Entries should show up with their music ready to go,
with a stage movement presentation, and with any props and/or large
or awkward costume pieces such as masks, hats, shoes etc. It is also
very helpful for the lighting crew if some part of the costume is
present so the optimum lighting can be determined. We thought a tech
award would help raise awareness of the need for participants to be
prepared and make the most of their tech time. As it happened this
year nearly every entry was mostly prepared. I still think the award
is a good way to raise awareness about what makes for a good tech
check and consequently a good presentation.

Suggestions for future shows, please schedule tech checks to end by
5:00 pm or 5:30 pm at the latest. This is important for several
reasons. First and foremost it gives everyone time for dinner, the
tech crew, contestants, MDs, etc. It also allows time to fix any
glitches that might become evident during the checks. If for some
reason tech checks have to run past 5:30 then plan to have food
brought into you tech, stage and masquerade crew.

Masquerade directors please, please, please do the math. We’ve had
the unenviable task of starting tech checks over 2 hours behind
schedule because there were 30 plus entries each promised a ten-
minute slot between 1 and 4. That’s nearly twice the number of
entries for the time allotted. You want to talk about stress. Yikes!

The scheduling of tech checks also illustrates how important it is
for entries to pre-register rather than waiting until at the Con to
do so. It is much easier to collapse extra time than it is to try
and find extra time.

If at all possible arrange rehearsal space for entries to practice
their presentations. Sometimes there isn’t an opportunity for an
entry to practice their presentation prior to arriving at the
convention. This is particularly true for a Costume-Con where
members of an entry may be from all over the country. However, it
still isn’t fair to the other entries in a show to allow one or two
to monopolize the tech crew’s time for their own rehearsal. CC-24
made sure to have space set aside for participants to practice their
presentations. This helps the tech checks proceed efficiently and to
stay on time.

There were lots of other things we would have liked to do, but budget
constraints dictated otherwise. I won’t go into all the money
optional things since this has already been a much longer discourse
than I’d imagined when I started. I hope future committees are able
to glean a few useful things. I know we certainly took advantage of
these forums to minimize the number of wheels we had to reinvent.

Running CC-24 was a privilege and a pleasure. I’m looking forward to
CC-25 and beyond.

Sallie

 

Group: runacc Message: 1412 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/1/2006
Subject: The SLCG “committee” review part I
Good info on the Sallie’s e-mail. Some of it answers questions we had. But otherwise, here’s what we made a note of on the way home – the “wart’s and all” version. We will post this in several other places, albeit in altered form. You guys the unfiltered version. 🙂

Hotel

a.. We liked it, except for their inconsistent AC issues, particularly in the function space area -usually freezing.
b.. Elevators were relatively fast, despite one apparently not in service – at least they had a freight elevator for our attendees needing wheelchair access
c.. The Staff was very friendly, attentive and quick with towel requests for our room
d.. Interestingly, every room in the hotel seemed to have a different layout. The extra closets in the suite we had was a very nice surprise.
e.. While a nice hotel, we’ve never been in favor of downtown hotels because many retail businesses are not open – especially over a Memorial Day weekend.
f.. Very nice facilities, including treadmills, a lap pool, hot tub and a sauna(!)

Registration

a.. This appeared to be well-organized and quick. We appreciated the fact that they had pre-reg packets ready to pick up on Thursday evening.

Doll Show competition

a.. According to those who entered this event, it was very disorganized.
b.. There were no signs identifying what the dolls entries were
c.. The judges were trying to do their job right there in the dealers’ room while the public was walking by, which was distracting.
d.. There was no way for the entrants to give any explanation to the judges about what they did

Costume Exhibits

a.. While costumes from the local area were represented, there did not appear to be any attempts made to recruit from any other region. This is not necessarily bad, but the fact that there were so few pieces, we found Exhibits lacking.

Dealers Room

a.. This was the biggest disappointment – the number of dealers were very few and lacked depth – if you were not interested in jewelry or hats, you were out of luck.

Friday Night Social

a.. Everybody seemed to have a good time, and almost everyone made an attempt to wear a theme-appropriate costume.
b.. Some didn’t like the announced entrance through the curtains, but if you were clueless, you could avoid it by going through a different set of doors.
c.. If the intention was for the music background to add to the Film theme, it didn’t succeed very well. As far as we know most of the selections were not from soundtracks. Also, the selections didn’t build momentum in the party, going from one danceable, then grinding to a halt with some orchestral piece immediately after.
d.. The social featured a pretty nice spread for hors d’ oeuvres, but we would have liked to see some sort of protein beyond the fruits, vegetables and sweets (which were pretty tasty, nonetheless). We understand that there’s the implication of providing a meal that the con staff might want to avoid, but some thinly sliced meats would have been nice, along with something for those who like salty snacks – crackers and pretzels would have been enough.
e.. We were surprised by the presence of the cash bar. This was not a negative, but we did hear complaints of the price of the drinks.

Programming

a.. Possibly due to anticipated low attendance, panel programming seemed limited in scope because of panelist availability.
b.. At least for our part, there were issues with overscheduling of panelists. We realize that the staff were trying to accommodate our schedule, but there were conflicts where our appearances overlapped.
c.. Maybe other attendees liked the format, but we were not fans of the 1 ¼ hour panels.
d.. We were not fans of the lunch break on Saturday, either, but the panelists themselves definitely needed breaks to eat.
e.. That being said, the panels we observed were mostly well attended. There was only one cancellation and one where there was no audience for the panelist.
f.. The roundtable discussions continued to show that they work as a different format from the usual “talking head” panels. We had some great discussions with people we didn’t know and by the end, we knew them better. Good personal stories.
g.. Informative panels included Turkish Ottoman, the Makeup and Hair panel, and Asian-themed clothing.
h.. On a separate note, having the annual meeting of the ICG on Friday morning, before most of the programming began, was a good idea – it allowed more people the opportunity to attend and enjoy the rest of the con.
i.. One thing that irked a few people was a panel that appeared to just be an opportunity for the panelist to promote the products they sold through their business. This probably would have not been an issue if the description of the panel had been up front about it.
j.. Having blown up versions of the con schedule posted on the walls of thehotel was a good thing. We thought having it published in the back of the program book was inconvenient if you didn’t want to carry the program book around.

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Group: runacc Message: 1413 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/1/2006
Subject: The “Committee Review”, part II
SF & F Masquerade

a.. This show had an unusually large number of entries in proportion to the number of convention attendees (more than CC16, among others, which had more people on site). And yet, the number of participants did not outnumber the audience.
b.. There were no unusually long pauses in the show, which was good.
c.. The MC, Pierre Pettinger, had a great inside gag costume, making his entrance as Moses carrying “tablets” with the 32 costuming commandments (do we know what those are?)
d.. We noted that there were one or two cases where a participant should maybe have been encouraged to “compete up” a level to have made it more fair to the rest of the entrants.
e.. As far as flow was concerned, though, there seemed to be too many presentations that ran way over the recommended 60 second time limit. Lip-synching was popular for this year, for some reason. And these were not just Novices doing this.
f.. While there’s no reason they can’t present an award, did anyone else notice the irony of a free membership to the Greater Bay Area Costumers Guild – which is no longer a chapter of the ICG?
g.. Speaking of awards, while we didn’t award a Slattern this time, we would have been otherwise guilty of this one – there’s starting to get to be too many silly awards from Guild chapters. Rather than waiting until just before the actual masquerade awards are announced, these need to be done sooner during the judging break.
h.. The biggest transgression – no fan photo run! This is ordinarily a very good way to keep the audience occupied while waiting for the judges to return.
i.. Making things worse, the entrants were encouraged to stay in the Green Room during the judging break. Fortunately, because the break was so long, they eventually trickled out and most were photographed.
j.. We also heard that not enough tech rehearsal time was set aside for the entrants, which caused scheduling problems.
k.. It was nice to have a program of the entries, even if the titles were not on it.

Future Fashion Show

a.. The FFS appeared to be disorganized, with not enough time set aside on Sunday morning to properly rehearse and be judged for the two awards given out.
b.. We liked the fashion runway.
c.. The largish number of entries on stage proved the belief that having a Single Pattern contest does have a subtracting effect on the Fashion Show.
d.. We’re thinking some sort of “tipsheet” or brief orientation before the show would be useful for the models, telling them how and where to walk, stop for photos, and so on.
e.. As has been learned elsewhere, having pre-printed plaques for the statue-style awards does not allow any flexibility for titles in case a winner doesn’t fit a category.
f.. People liked the printed certificates (having them generated pretty quickly after each show didn’t hurt, either).
g.. With a little prodding, there was a photo run for this show.

Historical

a.. Pre-judging ran on time. A very good thing.
b.. While there were only 11 show entries, there wasn’t a bad one in the bunch.
c.. We’re not fans of halftime entertainment. That’s all we’ll say.
d.. Again, no photo run.

Green Room notes

a.. Very nice and spacious
b.. Dedicated bathrooms were appreciated
c.. If the repair table was supposed to be manned, it did not appear to be so during the SF & F masq, and there were many technical-intensive costumes that might have needed assistance.
d.. The standing wire frame cages for hanging costumes on was a great idea and a space saver
e.. Good idea to move the judge’s mnemonic photos to digital
f.. The official photo area was well done, with clear instructions from the photographer and a nice, wide backdrop.
g.. Whether good or bad, there were few snacks in the Green Room to satisfy nervous stomachs.

Con Suite

a.. Kudos to the person in charge of this – it was always well-stocked with snacks and a wide variety of drinks.
b.. We really appreciated the various breakfast items, including the farm-fresh scrambled eggs and pancakes on Sunday morning. The rest of the time, though, the choices of salty items and lack of protein (other than cheese sometimes) was disappointing.
c.. Even if we proved our point about having more meat at the parties, the SLCG has to take the hit for not providing enough St. Louis Toasted Raviolis during the CC25/CC27 shared party. Those disappeared so quickly that many people didn’t’ get a chance to try them. We’ll be sure to double or triple the amount for the CC25 con suite.
d.. Seating in the Con Suite could have been better. People seemed to congregate more in the central section that was right in front of the elevators. We realize they had to work with what they had, though.
e.. We want to single out the runner for the Con Suite supplies was especially good.
f.. Interestingly, running the masquerade videos in a different room did not detract from the parties. In fact, it proved our contention that having the TV in the con suite sucks the conversation right out of the room. As a result, we had some lively discussions with many people all evening. Very refreshing.
g.. Not sure whether it was good or bad, but all sorts of different foods appeared in the con suite at different times of the day all weekend, which either made it annoying that you missed something or was pleasantly surprised.

Final comments

The committee is to be commended for putting on a good CC, overall. The con did not appear to be understaffed. They were efficient, friendly, and very attentive. If there was a problem, they jumped on it and resolved it quickly. Not surprisingly, the tech crew for the 3 shows reflected this.

We had a pretty good time. This bodes well for next year.

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Group: runacc Message: 1414 From: bruno Date: 6/1/2006
Subject: Re: The “Committee Review”, part II
Additional notes:

Official photo for the SF&F did not begin until about 7:00pm for the SF&F, due to the photographer having to go find some additional equipment.

Sadly, the popcorn machine in the Con Suite when unused for much of the weekend. With the movie theme of the con, I had expected to see more popcorn.

Michael

 

Group: runacc Message: 1415 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 6/2/2006
Subject: Re: Lessons Learned CC-24
I have comments re: the fashion show, but will post them tomorrow
(today) or this weekend – too late to type it all up now.

Sandy

“Those Who Fail To Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly —
Why They Are Simply Doomed.

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C.Y. 4971

Andromeda

 

Group: runacc Message: 1416 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 6/3/2006
Subject: Re: Lessons Learned CC-24 – FFS

My comments as FFS director:

First, I apologize for the timing issues. I under-estimated the time
it would take for all entries to walk thru the runway
routine. Fortunately, most of the participants had done this before,
and pretty much knew what to do.

Second, I have learned my lesson – if I’m running a big show (we had
17 designs make it on stage), I can’t be one of them. Especially
wearing shoes I can’t walk in, and an unwieldy hat. The one time
before I ran the FFS, Pierre was more fully available to help, and I
did not participate (mainly because the outfit wasn’t done). This
will not happen if I get the chance to run one again.

Third, disorganization – again tied to being in the show – I was
trying to think so much about getting dressed and such, that I didn’t
fully plot out the steps in the process, and try to anticipate hangups.

Therefore: things I would do differently:
1. Try to have a walk-thru earlier in the weekend, even if it’s in
the rehearsal space (if there is one). If a rehearsal space isn’t
available, then try to walk thru as soon as the stage is
available. Tech is not needed at this point, so possibly the crew
could still be setting lights and sound while we walk thru with just
the MC. I really couldn’t ask people to be present any earlier
Sunday, and if we have the show later, it starts to cause problems
with Historical judging. Better communication beforehand could have
foresaw some of these problems, but again I was scrambling to finish sewing.

2. Do not do my own entry for the show. It takes too much prep time
away from what I need to be doing.

3. There was always planned to be a second run down the stage. I
had not thought to make it a photo run until it had already
started. I should have had the second run go with the first person
going out, then when they moved down the runway, have the second
person come out. That way the photo run would go faster, while still
giving everyone a chance to get photos.

4. I loved the runway setup. I was mistaken however, in thinking
that the entries would walk down the runway and off the end, exiting
thru the audience. I should have looked at that further, and made
sure of the traffic pattern before starting.

5. I needed to better edit the script. What looks like a short bit
of description on paper takes a lot longer to read out loud. The
ones that were slides only, should have just been the title,
designer, and award. I did do a lot of cutting backstage just before
the show, but some of it was still too long.

6. I was really happy the slides worked. We used to do slides for
the FFS, but they were film slides, and became a real PITA to do and
show. I knew this crew could handle a PowerPoint projection, so I
planned for it. This lets everyone see how the 2-D design translated
to the 3-D garment. I hope future shows can continue this.

7. MUCHO MUCHO thanks to the tech crew and especially to Les, who
patiently uploaded all the music for the show from the CD’s I
brought. I had tried to copy just the bits I wanted and burn my own
CD’s, but none of my music software was wanting to work for me just
before we left.

Despite the various difficulties, I still think we had a killer
show. The garments that were made up were fabulous, and I thank
everyone who participated, and bore with me thru the confusion.

Sandy Pettinger
FFS Director

At 02:28 PM 6/1/2006, you wrote:

>I personally really enjoyed the runway layout for the FFS and I also
>appreciated showing the sketches of the designs in the show as well
>as some of the winning designs that weren’t represented in the show.
>I thought these arrangements really allowed the audience to get a
>good look at the designs and to get an appreciation for the folio
>process in general. The layout provided nearly three times the front
>row space as the masquerade stage layout. However, this is just the
>perspective of someone who was watching the show and I’ve no idea how
>this layout worked for the participants of the show. I do know that
>there wasn’t sufficient time for the participants to get a full
>rehearsal on the stage. I don’t know why that was, but even so
>things seemed to go just wonderfully.
>
>Running CC-24 was a privilege and a pleasure. I’m looking forward to
>CC-25 and beyond.
>
>Sallie

“Those Who Fail To Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly —
Why They Are Simply Doomed.

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C.Y. 4971

Andromeda

 

Group: runacc Message: 1417 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/4/2006
Subject: Re: Lessons Learned CC-24 – FFS

Pierre & Sandy Pettinger wrote:

> 3. There was always planned to be a second run down the stage. I
> had not thought to make it a photo run until it had already
> started. I should have had the second run go with the first person
> going out, then when they moved down the runway, have the second
> person come out. That way the photo run would go faster, while still
> giving everyone a chance to get photos.
>

A wider runway allowing models to pass each other more easily would have
facilitated this. It’s common to have 3-4 models doing the return-pass
sequence simultaneously; since there were 3 good stopping points you
could easily have had 3 models on the runway at a time during the
reprise if the runway allowed.

A good pace is to have the model hit a stopping point (top, mid, or end
of runway), do a 4-count facing one side, turn to face the other side
for a 4 count, and then step off to the next point.

> 4. I loved the runway setup. I was mistaken however, in thinking
> that the entries would walk down the runway and off the end, exiting
> thru the audience. I should have looked at that further, and made
> sure of the traffic pattern before starting.
>

In a classic fashion show, the model always goes to the end of the
runway and then back. I will note to our show director to watch Elsa
Klench videos over and over again in the weeks leading up to the con.
There are few fashion show commentators as solid as she is.

> 5. I needed to better edit the script. What looks like a short bit
> of description on paper takes a lot longer to read out loud. The
> ones that were slides only, should have just been the title,
> designer, and award. I did do a lot of cutting backstage just before
> the show, but some of it was still too long.
>

The full descriptions should be in a program booklet; read narrative is
often “highlights.” Yeah, it’s extra printing costs, but it’s worth it.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1418 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/4/2006
Subject: Re: Lessons Learned CC-24 – FFS

Good notes, and all stuff that is easy to change. Thanks. Sandy. Since
Henry is also on this list, I guess there’s no necessity to re-post it to
the CC25 list – not to mention, the majority of us are on the same list! 🙂

Bruce

—– Original Message —–
From: “Pierre & Sandy Pettinger” <costumrs@radiks.net>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>; <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>;
<cc25committee@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 10:31 PM
Subject: [runacc] Re: Lessons Learned CC-24 – FFS

> My comments as FFS director:
>
> First, I apologize for the timing issues. I under-estimated the time
> it would take for all entries to walk thru the runway
> routine. Fortunately, most of the participants had done this before,
> and pretty much knew what to do.
>
> Second, I have learned my lesson – if I’m running a big show (we had
> 17 designs make it on stage), I can’t be one of them. Especially
> wearing shoes I can’t walk in, and an unwieldy hat. The one time
> before I ran the FFS, Pierre was more fully available to help, and I
> did not participate (mainly because the outfit wasn’t done). This
> will not happen if I get the chance to run one again.
>
> Third, disorganization – again tied to being in the show – I was
> trying to think so much about getting dressed and such, that I didn’t
> fully plot out the steps in the process, and try to anticipate hangups.
>
> Therefore: things I would do differently:
> 1. Try to have a walk-thru earlier in the weekend, even if it’s in
> the rehearsal space (if there is one). If a rehearsal space isn’t
> available, then try to walk thru as soon as the stage is
> available. Tech is not needed at this point, so possibly the crew
> could still be setting lights and sound while we walk thru with just
> the MC. I really couldn’t ask people to be present any earlier
> Sunday, and if we have the show later, it starts to cause problems
> with Historical judging. Better communication beforehand could have
> foresaw some of these problems, but again I was scrambling to finish
> sewing.
>
> 2. Do not do my own entry for the show. It takes too much prep time
> away from what I need to be doing.
>
> 3. There was always planned to be a second run down the stage. I
> had not thought to make it a photo run until it had already
> started. I should have had the second run go with the first person
> going out, then when they moved down the runway, have the second
> person come out. That way the photo run would go faster, while still
> giving everyone a chance to get photos.
>
> 4. I loved the runway setup. I was mistaken however, in thinking
> that the entries would walk down the runway and off the end, exiting
> thru the audience. I should have looked at that further, and made
> sure of the traffic pattern before starting.
>
> 5. I needed to better edit the script. What looks like a short bit
> of description on paper takes a lot longer to read out loud. The
> ones that were slides only, should have just been the title,
> designer, and award. I did do a lot of cutting backstage just before
> the show, but some of it was still too long.
>
> 6. I was really happy the slides worked. We used to do slides for
> the FFS, but they were film slides, and became a real PITA to do and
> show. I knew this crew could handle a PowerPoint projection, so I
> planned for it. This lets everyone see how the 2-D design translated
> to the 3-D garment. I hope future shows can continue this.
>
> 7. MUCHO MUCHO thanks to the tech crew and especially to Les, who
> patiently uploaded all the music for the show from the CD’s I
> brought. I had tried to copy just the bits I wanted and burn my own
> CD’s, but none of my music software was wanting to work for me just
> before we left.
>
> Despite the various difficulties, I still think we had a killer
> show. The garments that were made up were fabulous, and I thank
> everyone who participated, and bore with me thru the confusion.
>
> Sandy Pettinger
> FFS Director
>
> At 02:28 PM 6/1/2006, you wrote:
>>I personally really enjoyed the runway layout for the FFS and I also
>>appreciated showing the sketches of the designs in the show as well
>>as some of the winning designs that weren’t represented in the show.
>>I thought these arrangements really allowed the audience to get a
>>good look at the designs and to get an appreciation for the folio
>>process in general. The layout provided nearly three times the front
>>row space as the masquerade stage layout. However, this is just the
>>perspective of someone who was watching the show and I’ve no idea how
>>this layout worked for the participants of the show. I do know that
>>there wasn’t sufficient time for the participants to get a full
>>rehearsal on the stage. I don’t know why that was, but even so
>>things seemed to go just wonderfully.
>>
>>Running CC-24 was a privilege and a pleasure. I’m looking forward to
>>CC-25 and beyond.
>>
>>Sallie
>
> “Those Who Fail To Learn History
> Are Doomed to Repeat It;
> Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly —
> Why They Are Simply Doomed.
>
> Achemdro’hm
> “The Illusion of Historical Fact”
> — C.Y. 4971
>
> Andromeda
>
>
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1419 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 6/4/2006
Subject: Re: Lessons Learned CC-24 – FFS
Full descriptions WERE printed.
In the folio.
there’s no need to have extra expense by printing them again.
I saw plenty of people bring their folios to the show, as I always have seen in other years.
Ricky

The full descriptions should be in a program booklet; read narrative is
often “highlights.” Yeah, it’s extra printing costs, but it’s worth it.

andy

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Group: runacc Message: 1420 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/4/2006
Subject: Re: Lessons Learned CC-24 – FFS

In a message dated 6/4/2006 8:25:48 AM Central Standard Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> Since
> Henry is also on this list, I guess there’s no necessity to re-post it to
> the CC25 list – not to mention, the majority of us are on the same list! 🙂

I’m on this list? Since when? ;P

Actually, I have been reading all the comments and saving the e-mails for
future review!

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1421 From: Kevin Roche Date: 6/4/2006
Subject: Re: Lessons Learned CC-24 – FFS

I’d suggest having something like my Stage Movement panel early in the
weekend with a *very strong suggestion* that FFS models attend, and make
sure the workshop facilitator knows you want a little catwalk practice
as part of the panel.

That workshop is actually easier to do with more bodies, because the
embarassment factor at standing up and being goofy goes down
dramatically when there is a roomful of other beginners doing it with you.

Pierre & Sandy Pettinger wrote:

>1. Try to have a walk-thru earlier in the weekend, even if it’s in
>the rehearsal space (if there is one). If a rehearsal space isn’t
>available, then try to walk thru as soon as the stage is
>available. Tech is not needed at this point, so possibly the crew
>could still be setting lights and sound while we walk thru with just
>the MC. I really couldn’t ask people to be present any earlier
>Sunday, and if we have the show later, it starts to cause problems
>with Historical judging. Better communication beforehand could have
>foresaw some of these problems, but again I was scrambling to finish sewing.
>
>

As the hypoglycemic and hypothermic model at CC24, I’d suggest having
the awards announced between the narrated runway walk and the photo
walk. It would have made the morning much healthier for me!

>3. There was always planned to be a second run down the stage. I
>had not thought to make it a photo run until it had already
>started. I should have had the second run go with the first person
>going out, then when they moved down the runway, have the second
>person come out. That way the photo run would go faster, while still
>giving everyone a chance to get photos.
>
>
>
>

Kevin

 

Group: runacc Message: 1422 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/4/2006
Subject: Re: Lessons Learned CC-24 – FFS

Make a note, Fiona…..

Bruce

—– Original Message —–
From: “Kevin Roche” <kevin@twistedimage.com>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: Lessons Learned CC-24 – FFS

I’d suggest having something like my Stage Movement panel early in the
weekend with a *very strong suggestion* that FFS models attend, and make
sure the workshop facilitator knows you want a little catwalk practice
as part of the panel.

That workshop is actually easier to do with more bodies, because the
embarassment factor at standing up and being goofy goes down
dramatically when there is a roomful of other beginners doing it with you.

Pierre & Sandy Pettinger wrote:

>1. Try to have a walk-thru earlier in the weekend, even if it’s in
>the rehearsal space (if there is one). If a rehearsal space isn’t
>available, then try to walk thru as soon as the stage is
>available. Tech is not needed at this point, so possibly the crew
>could still be setting lights and sound while we walk thru with just
>the MC. I really couldn’t ask people to be present any earlier
>Sunday, and if we have the show later, it starts to cause problems
>with Historical judging. Better communication beforehand could have
>foresaw some of these problems, but again I was scrambling to finish
>sewing.
>
>
As the hypoglycemic and hypothermic model at CC24, I’d suggest having
the awards announced between the narrated runway walk and the photo
walk. It would have made the morning much healthier for me!

>3. There was always planned to be a second run down the stage. I
>had not thought to make it a photo run until it had already
>started. I should have had the second run go with the first person
>going out, then when they moved down the runway, have the second
>person come out. That way the photo run would go faster, while still
>giving everyone a chance to get photos.
>
>
>
>
Kevin

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Group: runacc Message: 1423 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/10/2006
Subject: Cell Phone policy
I think this was done at CC24, but I think from now on forward, we need to
add a “put your cell phone on vibrate and leave the room” announcement along
with no flash phtography during the masquerade.

Also, people need to leave a panel room if they get a call, rather than take
it in the back.

Bruce

 

Group: runacc Message: 1424 From: bruno Date: 6/10/2006
Subject: Re: Cell Phone policy

A policy will not do any good, unless there are consequences for violating it. People who do not silence their phones or take calls in meetings will exhibit the same behavior no matter where they are. They’re probably also the same people who will carry on a separate conversation during a panel.

Announcing it before the Masquerades start and before every panel will help to remind people to turn their phones off, but will not completely stop the behaviour.

Michael

> ——-Original Message——-
> From: Bruce & Nora Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: [runacc] Cell Phone policy
> Sent: 10 Jun ’06 20:42
>
> I think this was done at CC24, but I think from now on forward, we need to
>
> add a “put your cell phone on vibrate and leave the room” announcement
> along
> with no flash phtography during the masquerade.
>
> Also, people need to leave a panel room if they get a call, rather than
> take
> it in the back.
>
> Bruce
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1425 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Re: Cell Phone policy

FWIIW –
When people ignored the “No Flash Photography” request at Balticon, the
following year we had a plant in the audience who fired a flash at me
right after I made the request, and two very large security people ran
over, grabbed him, grabbed his camera, pulled out the film (it was that
long ago) stamped the camera into pieces and dragged the miscreant out
of the hall. We never had the flash problem at a Balticon again, and
I’m sure that there are still some people who didn’t know that the guy
was a plant. I suspect that you could do the same thing with a cell
phone abuser.

Marty

bruno wrote:

>
> A policy will not do any good, unless there are consequences for
> violating it. People who do not silence their phones or take calls in
> meetings will exhibit the same behavior no matter where they are.
> They’re probably also the same people who will carry on a separate
> conversation during a panel.
>
> Announcing it before the Masquerades start and before every panel will
> help to remind people to turn their phones off, but will not
> completely stop the behaviour.
>
> Michael
>
> > ——-Original Message——-
> > From: Bruce & Nora Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net
> <mailto:casamai%40sbcglobal.net>>
> > Subject: [runacc] Cell Phone policy
> > Sent: 10 Jun ’06 20:42
> >
> > I think this was done at CC24, but I think from now on forward, we
> need to
> >
> > add a “put your cell phone on vibrate and leave the room” announcement
> > along
> > with no flash phtography during the masquerade.
> >
> > Also, people need to leave a panel room if they get a call, rather than
> > take
> > it in the back.
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> >
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1426 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Re: Cell Phone policy

In a message dated 6/11/2006 2:38:40 AM Central Standard Time,
MartinGear@comcast.net writes:

> FWIIW –
> When people ignored the “No Flash Photography” request at Balticon, the
> following year we had a plant in the audience who fired a flash at me
> right after I made the request, and two very large security people ran
> over, grabbed him, grabbed his camera, pulled out the film (it was that
> long ago) stamped the camera into pieces and dragged the miscreant out
> of the hall. We never had the flash problem at a Balticon again, and
> I’m sure that there are still some people who didn’t know that the guy
> was a plant. I suspect that you could do the same thing with a cell
> phone abuser.
>

I’ll volunteer to be the rube on that gag!
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1427 From: Tina Date: 6/11/2006
Subject: Re: Cell Phone policy
It wouldn’t work, Henry. You don’t look stupid enough.

Tina
___

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Group: runacc Message: 1428 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/12/2006
Subject: Re: Cell Phone policy

An interesting idea. I agree, there have to be consequences. We may need to revive that little play for CC25, then. OUr security guy would probably get a kick out of that.

Cell phones are considered more “vital” than cameras, but it’s worth a shot.

Bruce

—– Original Message —–
From: Martin Gear
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 1:33 AM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Cell Phone policy

FWIIW –
When people ignored the “No Flash Photography” request at Balticon, the
following year we had a plant in the audience who fired a flash at me
right after I made the request, and two very large security people ran
over, grabbed him, grabbed his camera, pulled out the film (it was that
long ago) stamped the camera into pieces and dragged the miscreant out
of the hall. We never had the flash problem at a Balticon again, and
I’m sure that there are still some people who didn’t know that the guy
was a plant. I suspect that you could do the same thing with a cell
phone abuser.

Marty

bruno wrote:
>
> A policy will not do any good, unless there are consequences for
> violating it. People who do not silence their phones or take calls in
> meetings will exhibit the same behavior no matter where they are.
> They’re probably also the same people who will carry on a separate
> conversation during a panel.
>
> Announcing it before the Masquerades start and before every panel will
> help to remind people to turn their phones off, but will not
> completely stop the behaviour.
>
> Michael
>
> > ——-Original Message——-
> > From: Bruce & Nora Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net
> <mailto:casamai%40sbcglobal.net>>
> > Subject: [runacc] Cell Phone policy
> > Sent: 10 Jun ’06 20:42
> >
> > I think this was done at CC24, but I think from now on forward, we
> need to
> >
> > add a “put your cell phone on vibrate and leave the room” announcement
> > along
> > with no flash phtography during the masquerade.
> >
> > Also, people need to leave a panel room if they get a call, rather than
> > take
> > it in the back.
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> >
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 1429 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/13/2006
Subject: Re: Cell Phone policy

Consequences? I can guarantee consequences considering my personal feelings about idiots with cell-phones. Just give me permission.

Nora

—– Original Message —–
From: bruno
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com

A policy will not do any good, unless there are consequences for violating it. People who do not silence their phones or take calls in meetings will exhibit the same behavior no matter where they are. They’re probably also the same people who will carry on a separate conversation during a panel.

Announcing it before the Masquerades start and before every panel will help to remind people to turn their phones off, but will not completely stop the behaviour.

Michael

> ——-Original Message——-
> From: Bruce & Nora Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: [runacc] Cell Phone policy
> Sent: 10 Jun ’06 20:42
>
> I think this was done at CC24, but I think from now on forward, we need to
>
> add a “put your cell phone on vibrate and leave the room” announcement
> along
> with no flash phtography during the masquerade.
>
> Also, people need to leave a panel room if they get a call, rather than
> take
> it in the back.
>
> Bruce
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 1430 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/20/2006
Subject: CC21 FFF’s!
Hello!

I just looked in the box of stuff from CC21. I still have 23 Future Fashion
Folios. Would anyone like one? I believe the archives have copies.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1431 From: John O’Halloran Date: 6/20/2006
Subject: Re: Cell Phone policy

At Conalulu (Hawaii Westercon), I had John Hertz read a list of don’t.

I deliberately made it very long to be funny.

John got past the important ones (no flash, pagers & cell phones off)
and read a few of the more esoteric/silly ones. He stopped reading
aloud and mimed looking at very long list.

He then looked up at the audience and said “Be nice to each other.”

No flashes, no beeping. 😉

on the flip side.

1995, Intersection, they STOPPED the show when the first flash went off.
Then threatened to stop the show again and keep it stopped till the
offender left or was removed the hall.

JohnO

Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

>
>
> I think this was done at CC24, but I think from now on forward, we need to
> add a “put your cell phone on vibrate and leave the room” announcement
> along
> with no flash phtography during the masquerade.
>
> Also, people need to leave a panel room if they get a call, rather than
> take
> it in the back.
>
> Bruce
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1432 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 7/1/2006
Subject: Costume-Con Service Mark Update
As all of you know, my co-Service Mark Holder for Costume-Con, Kelly Turner, died last year.

Kelly’s estate has assigned me his portion of the Costume-Con Service Mark, and this transfer was officially recorded with the USPTO in April 2006 and is now searchable in their database.

Official information:

Recordation date: 4/17/06
Reel/frame: 003328 / 0020
Brief: Assignment of an undivided part of assignor’s interest
Assignor: Tague, Rosetta E., executrix for Turner, Kelly F.
Assignee: Dick, Karen L.

So, effective immediately, I am the ONLY name that should be on any statements regarding the CC Service Mark, and you should update your web sites, flyers, and other publications accordingly (i.e., no more references to “Kelly Turner” or “estate of Kelly Turner”).

Betsy, please update the ConStitution.

I am going to go fix the front page of the Costume-Con.com web site right after I post this.

I’m sorry that this unfortunate situation is creating more work for everyone. Please bear with me during this time of transition.

–Karen

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Group: runacc Message: 1433 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 7/1/2006
Subject: Re: Costume-Con Service Mark Update

CC25 site done, as requested.

Nora

—– Original Message —–
From: “Ricky & Karen Dick” <castleb@atlanticbb.net>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 12:00 PM
Subject: [runacc] Costume-Con Service Mark Update

> As all of you know, my co-Service Mark Holder for Costume-Con, Kelly
> Turner, died last year.
>
> Kelly’s estate has assigned me his portion of the Costume-Con Service
> Mark, and this transfer was officially recorded with the USPTO in April
> 2006 and is now searchable in their database.
>
> Official information:
>
> Recordation date: 4/17/06
> Reel/frame: 003328 / 0020
> Brief: Assignment of an undivided part of assignor’s interest
> Assignor: Tague, Rosetta E., executrix for Turner, Kelly F.
> Assignee: Dick, Karen L.
>
> So, effective immediately, I am the ONLY name that should be on any
> statements regarding the CC Service Mark, and you should update your web
> sites, flyers, and other publications accordingly (i.e., no more
> references to “Kelly Turner” or “estate of Kelly Turner”).
>
> Betsy, please update the ConStitution.
>
> I am going to go fix the front page of the Costume-Con.com web site right
> after I post this.
>
> I’m sorry that this unfortunate situation is creating more work for
> everyone. Please bear with me during this time of transition.
>
> –Karen
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1434 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 7/1/2006
Subject: Re: Costume-Con Service Mark Update
Karen,
I will have my website updated as soon as possible.
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1435 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 7/12/2006
Subject: Linkage…
So a convention bid that will remain nameless (but just won their
site selection) was raising some suspicions with me. I read a bunch
of fanzines and checked out a bunch of club websites in their
hometown to see what the general feel for the bid in the area was,
and found nothing.

“Finding nothing” is the point.

I noticed that none of the club websites had links to the bid. I also
realized that there aren’t that many links for our CC26 website
outside of the other CC websites.

So I started thinking “Link Exchange.”

We’ve got to get our link engine up and running (it’s not yet, and it
will be a few weeks), but I’ve already been working on link button
and banner designs. I’ve gone with the industry-standard sizes of
468×60 and 120×60 (not that I’m planning to plug these into
commercial link exchange networks).

<http://bovil.livejournal.com/177121.html>

I’m going to suggest that y’all come up with link graphics in these
standard sizes (including Costume-Con.org and Costume-Con.com) to
make it easier for us to bank links together on our sites, and also
to give link images out to other clubs, costume groups and costume
website folks.

We’ve got a ton of costume groups and clubs in California who may be
interested in cross-linking. I’m sure you’ve got some in your
backyard too.


andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
San Jose, CA – ’72 R75/5 ’86 R100 (mine) – ’92 K75sa ’03 R1150R
(Kevin’s)
“It’s not pink, it’s peach-colored. Pink is tacky.”
–Manfred Pfirsich Marie Rommel

read the FAQ… Ridicule: http://www.idiots-r-us.org/
read the FAQ… IBMWR: http://www.ibmwr.org/faq-files/
read the FAQ… AirList: http://www.airheads.org/faq.html
read the FAQ… Hoaxes & Urban Legends: http://urbanlegends.about.com/


andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
San Jose, CA – ’72 R75/5 ’86 R100 (mine) – ’92 K75sa ’03 R1150R
(Kevin’s)
…remaining .sig trimmed for better message/.sig ratio

 

Group: runacc Message: 1436 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 7/15/2006
Subject: Re: Linkage…

We’ve got links to both CC26 & 27 on the CC25 site. And we’ve got links to
some older sites that are still in existance.
And we’d be happy to link to any current bids that have a web presence.

Nora

—– Original Message —–
From: “Andrew T Trembley” <attrembl@bovil.com>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 6:03 PM
Subject: [runacc] Linkage…

> So a convention bid that will remain nameless (but just won their
> site selection) was raising some suspicions with me. I read a bunch
> of fanzines and checked out a bunch of club websites in their
> hometown to see what the general feel for the bid in the area was,
> and found nothing.
>
> “Finding nothing” is the point.
>
> I noticed that none of the club websites had links to the bid. I also
> realized that there aren’t that many links for our CC26 website
> outside of the other CC websites.
>
> So I started thinking “Link Exchange.”
>
> We’ve got to get our link engine up and running (it’s not yet, and it
> will be a few weeks), but I’ve already been working on link button
> and banner designs. I’ve gone with the industry-standard sizes of
> 468×60 and 120×60 (not that I’m planning to plug these into
> commercial link exchange networks).
>
> <http://bovil.livejournal.com/177121.html>
>
> I’m going to suggest that y’all come up with link graphics in these
> standard sizes (including Costume-Con.org and Costume-Con.com) to
> make it easier for us to bank links together on our sites, and also
> to give link images out to other clubs, costume groups and costume
> website folks.
>
> We’ve got a ton of costume groups and clubs in California who may be
> interested in cross-linking. I’m sure you’ve got some in your
> backyard too.
>
> —
> andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
> San Jose, CA – ’72 R75/5 ’86 R100 (mine) – ’92 K75sa ’03 R1150R
> (Kevin’s)
> “It’s not pink, it’s peach-colored. Pink is tacky.”
> –Manfred Pfirsich Marie Rommel
>
> read the FAQ… Ridicule: http://www.idiots-r-us.org/
> read the FAQ… IBMWR: http://www.ibmwr.org/faq-files/
> read the FAQ… AirList: http://www.airheads.org/faq.html
> read the FAQ… Hoaxes & Urban Legends: http://urbanlegends.about.com/
>
> —
> andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
> San Jose, CA – ’72 R75/5 ’86 R100 (mine) – ’92 K75sa ’03 R1150R
> (Kevin’s)
> …remaining .sig trimmed for better message/.sig ratio
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1437 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 7/15/2006
Subject: Re: Linkage…
I have my person working on links on my bid site.
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1438 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 7/18/2006
Subject: Talking about CC memberships
Please forgive me if this has been covered on the ICG board.
I’ve seen all the talk about memberships being given away.
Here’s my thoughts.
They come from the years of doing events that have tickets/memberships

Give away a bunch!

The pr from the giveaways at other cons is great.

One thing to remember tho, make all gift memberships NON TRANSFERABLE. you want to reward the person who won it.
NOT create a secondery market on the ICG list for re-sales like happens so often on worldcon memberships.
people on the list or elsewhere who would buy these second hand, WANT to come to the con and will pay to do it, and you the committee need thier money.

If your gift memberships don’t get used, who cares, you got the pr out of them anyway.

Always be willing to give memberships to people who you are sure , 100% sure wouldn’t be coming.
I don’t mean every broke starving fan who would like another con hallway to sleep in for a weekend.

I mean , business’s in your area, teachers, ect…

also, use memberships for barter.

trade out a membership for cubes of soda for the con sweet, or stationery supplies , or whatever.
sponsoring out a CC is the way to make up for the less than 500 people we’ve been seeing of late.

That’s how we’ll be doing CC-27 for sure.
If you have comittee people signed on for this type of stuff, please have them contact me, and I’ll be glad to send them some info on how this all can work.

We have written a book on doing this for haunts, and I lecture on it around the country quite a lot.

many of the things can be adapted to cons.
Just as the reverse can happen.
a haunt trade show we did in columbus Ohio last week, used Marty’s CC contract disk to get a better deal from thier hotel.

Ricky

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Group: runacc Message: 1439 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 7/18/2006
Subject: Re: Talking about CC memberships

I think we will have given away some dozen or more by CC25. We also have a
page for pics of the winners: www.cc25.net/memberhsip_winners.htm.

Bruce

—– Original Message —–
From: “Ricky & Karen Dick” <castleb@atlanticbb.net>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 12:15 PM
Subject: [runacc] Talking about CC memberships

> Please forgive me if this has been covered on the ICG board.
> I’ve seen all the talk about memberships being given away.
> Here’s my thoughts.
> They come from the years of doing events that have tickets/memberships
>
> Give away a bunch!
>
> The pr from the giveaways at other cons is great.
>
> One thing to remember tho, make all gift memberships NON TRANSFERABLE. you
> want to reward the person who won it.
> NOT create a secondery market on the ICG list for re-sales like happens so
> often on worldcon memberships.
> people on the list or elsewhere who would buy these second hand, WANT to
> come to the con and will pay to do it, and you the committee need thier
> money.
>
> If your gift memberships don’t get used, who cares, you got the pr out of
> them anyway.
>
> Always be willing to give memberships to people who you are sure , 100%
> sure wouldn’t be coming.
> I don’t mean every broke starving fan who would like another con hallway
> to sleep in for a weekend.
>
> I mean , business’s in your area, teachers, ect…
>
> also, use memberships for barter.
>
> trade out a membership for cubes of soda for the con sweet, or stationery
> supplies , or whatever.
> sponsoring out a CC is the way to make up for the less than 500 people
> we’ve been seeing of late.
>
> That’s how we’ll be doing CC-27 for sure.
> If you have comittee people signed on for this type of stuff, please have
> them contact me, and I’ll be glad to send them some info on how this all
> can work.
>
> We have written a book on doing this for haunts, and I lecture on it
> around the country quite a lot.
>
> many of the things can be adapted to cons.
> Just as the reverse can happen.
> a haunt trade show we did in columbus Ohio last week, used Marty’s CC
> contract disk to get a better deal from thier hotel.
>
> Ricky
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1440 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 8/13/2006
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Registration behavior questoni

Richard wrote:

> Wow! Definitely YMMV. Anime Expo has ~33,000 this years, and I think again
> at most half are pre-reg’!

It doesn’t cap. Anime Los Angeles may sell out in advance this year;
they’ve capped at 1600 members and people know it. A membership cap
drives sales. It does for capped anime conventions, and it does for
Costume College. Not something that applies to Costume-con at its
current size, really.

Having talked to the Fanime (5000+ person anime convention in SJ, for
those of you who don’t know) people at Bay Area ConStruction this year,
I got a lot of useful information about their marketing and sales
strategies.

Fanime does set monthly pre-registration sales goals, usually focused
around conventions at which they promote. It’s very important in their
budgeting process, and ensures they have the needed cash flow to operate
the convention.

Fanime does nearly no paper pre-registration. They have advertising
fliers, and send people to their website for online registration with
online payment. If you want to sell to anime-congoers, you must have
online registration and payment.

Fanime makes no effort to actually sell memberships at other
conventions. Their at-convention marketing efforts are purely aimed at
building recognition of their convention and building goodwill towards
their convention. They don’t print registration forms on the backs of
their fliers or put registration forms at their fan table or on the
freebie table. Their rationale is that people go to other anime
conventions to spend their money in the dealers room and on food and
drink, and that they don’t want to have to decide between instant
gratification (buying stuff and eating) and delayed gratification
(spending con budget money on a preregistration).

So how do they make their reg goals? They instead provide advertising
fliers with an online coupon code that’s good for up to a month after
the convention. Prospective members will buy a membership once they get
home (fresh budget, no dealers room), and the coupon-code encourages
them to do it soon. This has been very successful for Fanime.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1441 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 8/13/2006
Subject: Uniflyers
Is anyone still printing them, since we’re supposedly cross-promotinng so
that our numbers will eventually grow?

Also, does CC28 have flyers going to DC?

Bruce

 

Group: runacc Message: 1442 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 8/13/2006
Subject: Re: Uniflyers

Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> Is anyone still printing them, since we’re supposedly cross-promotinng so
> that our numbers will eventually grow?

Mine are on hold at the moment; we’re close to signing the hotel
contract, so I don’t want to flood the circuit with “Hotel TBA” fliers
and I definitely don’t want to flood the circuit with “Hotel X” and (for
some reason) on the chance the agreement falls through before signing.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1443 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 8/13/2006
Subject: Re: Uniflyers
Do people think it would help if we posted our individual flyers in the Files
section of Yahoo for this group?

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1444 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 8/13/2006
Subject: More registration behavior info
If Dave is still on this list, I’d be curious to know how many walkin
registrations he got for CC23, and what percentage that represented.

BTB, I received an offlist e-mail from Scott Corwin – Sheila Lenkman’s
husband – who is becoming more involved with the administration of Archon.
Accroding to him, he is also starting to see a slow down of pre-regs over
where they were this time last year (the con is on the first weekend of
October). They were also down last year, but they made up for it in
walk-ins. The NASFIC for next year – also here in St. Louis – is
experiencing a similar trend. Given how prices will be much higher at the
door for that event, I wonder if they’ll have a similar number of walk-ins.

Word is that perhaps attendance may not be much greater than a normal
healthy Archon – maybe 2500? That’s pretty small for a NASFIC, is it not?

I believe that after CC25, there will be much to discuss about the current
business model we’ve been following for years. I think CC26 will be fine –
being in California and Kevin and Andy’s constant promotion will no doubt
make the con successful. But I wonder what will happen in the future?

Bruce

Bruce

 

Group: runacc Message: 1445 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 8/14/2006
Subject: Re: More registration behavior info

Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> BTB, I received an offlist e-mail from Scott Corwin – Sheila Lenkman’s
> husband – who is becoming more involved with the administration of Archon.
> Accroding to him, he is also starting to see a slow down of pre-regs over
> where they were this time last year (the con is on the first weekend of
> October). They were also down last year, but they made up for it in
> walk-ins. The NASFIC for next year – also here in St. Louis – is
> experiencing a similar trend. Given how prices will be much higher at the
> door for that event, I wonder if they’ll have a similar number of walk-ins.
>
> Word is that perhaps attendance may not be much greater than a normal
> healthy Archon – maybe 2500? That’s pretty small for a NASFIC, is it not?
>

NASFiC is a strange beast, kind of the ugly stepchild of WorldCon. It’s
got a draw, but not that great of a draw. The traveling convention core
constituents will go, but that’s only a fraction of the Worldcon core
constituency. A significant number of people who say “I can’t go to
Yokahama” will also say “St. Louis isn’t Worldcon” and not go there
either. NASFiC also won’t get the “Oh, wow! WorldCon is nearby” reaction
from fans who aren’t regular attendees of the local and regional
conventions. If Scott is talking about an estimated 400-600 person bump
in Archon/NASFiC attendance next year, that’s a healthy guess based on
my knowledge of the different groups of Worldcon attendees.

If Archon gets 2500 people, it’s going to be much larger than last
NASFiC in Seattle. I could get you hard numbers there if you would like.
I was at the Anaheim NASFiC, and unfortunately I don’t have a really
good feel for how big it was; we flew in Friday after work and flew home
Sunday afternoon (I had just moved, new job, no vacation yet). It was
kind of a blitz.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1446 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 8/14/2006
Subject: Re: More registration behavior info

Yes, that might be helpful. Thanks for the info – I think that gives a
better, if disappointing, view of what to expect. Normally, Archon averages
around 2200 or more, and has been growing, but I suspect that the higher
cost of a NASFIC will keep a good number of younger people away who normally
can afford the $40 – $45 or so for a regular Archon.

Bruce

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From: “Andrew Trembley” <attrembl@bovil.com>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] More registration behavior info

> Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
>> BTB, I received an offlist e-mail from Scott Corwin – Sheila Lenkman’s
>> husband – who is becoming more involved with the administration of
>> Archon.
>> Accroding to him, he is also starting to see a slow down of pre-regs over
>> where they were this time last year (the con is on the first weekend of
>> October). They were also down last year, but they made up for it in
>> walk-ins. The NASFIC for next year – also here in St. Louis – is
>> experiencing a similar trend. Given how prices will be much higher at
>> the
>> door for that event, I wonder if they’ll have a similar number of
>> walk-ins.
>>
>> Word is that perhaps attendance may not be much greater than a normal
>> healthy Archon – maybe 2500? That’s pretty small for a NASFIC, is it
>> not?
>>
>
> NASFiC is a strange beast, kind of the ugly stepchild of WorldCon. It’s
> got a draw, but not that great of a draw. The traveling convention core
> constituents will go, but that’s only a fraction of the Worldcon core
> constituency. A significant number of people who say “I can’t go to
> Yokahama” will also say “St. Louis isn’t Worldcon” and not go there
> either. NASFiC also won’t get the “Oh, wow! WorldCon is nearby” reaction
> from fans who aren’t regular attendees of the local and regional
> conventions. If Scott is talking about an estimated 400-600 person bump
> in Archon/NASFiC attendance next year, that’s a healthy guess based on
> my knowledge of the different groups of Worldcon attendees.
>
> If Archon gets 2500 people, it’s going to be much larger than last
> NASFiC in Seattle. I could get you hard numbers there if you would like.
> I was at the Anaheim NASFiC, and unfortunately I don’t have a really
> good feel for how big it was; we flew in Friday after work and flew home
> Sunday afternoon (I had just moved, new job, no vacation yet). It was
> kind of a blitz.
>
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Group: runacc Message: 1447 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 9/7/2006
Subject: Costume-Con 25 FFF Results
Judging was last weekend so we thought we’d post a few numbers here.

The Folio will have a total of 100 designs from 30 designers.
17 of those designers are NEW!!!!!

6 designers are from outside the United States.
11 designers submitted their designs via email.

More details to follow as we crunch more numbers,

Nora, Karen & Steve

 

Group: runacc Message: 1448 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 9/28/2006
Subject: A reminder to folks when selecting official photographers…
Hi, all!

This is a reminder, since I’m deep in the archives right now. Artsy
photography is all well and good, but when an official photographer
selects the up-close image rather than the complete costume, that’s a
problem for the archives.

CC8 and CC21 in particular suffered from artsy portrait photos at the
cost of a complete image. And worse, the images needed to be extracted
from the completely unhelpful “scrapbook” format selected by the
official photog for display of CC21’s images. (Extraction, by the way,
that I couldn’t do myself – if Judy Mitchell’s husband hadn’t done the
work for her, I’d still be scanning the images I purchased instead of
using the electronic version.)

You need to be sure that the official photog understands that a
selection of the images being taken will be published on the CC site, so
there are no questions or misunderstandings about how the images will be
used.

And on a separate note, regarding the doll contest: I’ve gone to extra
lengths to be sure I had complete info on doll entries since I’ve been
maintaining the site. This task was hampered at CC21 by a contest
director who did not include the names of the dolls in competition on
display. I never got a complete list, and have had to guess which doll
went with which photo. I’m two titles/descriptions short for the photos
I took while I was there. (I have the same problem, in fact, with CC16,
which is why I make the list and take photos of the doll and title at
the same time.)

If you do have an official photographer record the dolls and exhibits,
please express to the photographer the importance not just of the entry
or exhibit but also the NAME of the object!

Yours for less frustration in documenting events!

Betsy



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Group: runacc Message: 1449 From: Kevin Roche Date: 10/6/2006
Subject: Announcing Costume-Con 26 Hotel and Room Rates
I’m pleased to announce that today I signed the hotel contract for
Costume-Con 26 with the DoubleTree Hotel San Jose, well-known site of
many Bay Area conventions!

Our room rates will be $92 for a standard room, 1-4 people.

Note: Reservations cannot be made in our room block before April 24, 2007

Further details will be posted as we have them!

Kevin Roche
Convention Chair, Costume-Con 26
<www.cc26.info>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1450 From: John O’Halloran Date: 10/7/2006
Subject: Re: Announcing Costume-Con 26 Hotel and Room Rates

Coolness!

And you looked quite snappy in your business suit this evening.

JohnO

Kevin Roche wrote:

> I’m pleased to announce that today I signed the hotel contract for
> Costume-Con 26 with the DoubleTree Hotel San Jose, well-known site of
> many Bay Area conventions!
>
> Our room rates will be $92 for a standard room, 1-4 people.
>
> Note: Reservations cannot be made in our room block before April 24, 2007
>
> Further details will be posted as we have them!

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Group: runacc Message: 1351 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: drinking at CCs
Group: runacc Message: 1352 From: bruno Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 297
Group: runacc Message: 1353 From: bruno Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: drinking at CCs
Group: runacc Message: 1354 From: Stephanie Carrigg Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 297
Group: runacc Message: 1355 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 297
Group: runacc Message: 1356 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 297
Group: runacc Message: 1357 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: drinking at CCs
Group: runacc Message: 1358 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: drinking at CCs
Group: runacc Message: 1359 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 3/29/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 297
Group: runacc Message: 1360 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 3/29/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 297
Group: runacc Message: 1361 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 3/30/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 297
Group: runacc Message: 1362 From: Kevin Roche Date: 3/30/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 297
Group: runacc Message: 1363 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 3/30/2006
Subject: Blue laws
Group: runacc Message: 1364 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 3/30/2006
Subject: Re: Blue laws
Group: runacc Message: 1365 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 3/30/2006
Subject: Re: Blue laws
Group: runacc Message: 1366 From: Kevin Roche Date: 3/30/2006
Subject: Re: Blue laws
Group: runacc Message: 1367 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 3/30/2006
Subject: Re: Blue laws
Group: runacc Message: 1368 From: Kevin Roche Date: 3/30/2006
Subject: Re: Blue laws
Group: runacc Message: 1369 From: Stephanie Carrigg Date: 3/30/2006
Subject: Re: Blue laws
Group: runacc Message: 1370 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 3/30/2006
Subject: Re: Costume-Con 26 is in business!
Group: runacc Message: 1371 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: PROGRESS! CC12 and CC23 photos and status of the Costume-Con site c
Group: runacc Message: 1372 From: bada.boom@comcast.net Date: 4/6/2006
Subject: Guess Who’s now going to CC!!
Group: runacc Message: 1373 From: Tina Date: 4/6/2006
Subject: Re: Guess Who’s now going to CC!!
Group: runacc Message: 1374 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 4/6/2006
Subject: Re: Guess Who’s now going to CC!!
Group: runacc Message: 1375 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 4/6/2006
Subject: Re: Guess Who’s now going to CC!!
Group: runacc Message: 1376 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 4/6/2006
Subject: Fashion folio costs…
Group: runacc Message: 1377 From: Stephanie Carrigg Date: 4/6/2006
Subject: Re: Guess Who’s now going to CC!!
Group: runacc Message: 1378 From: Byron Connell Date: 4/6/2006
Subject: Re: Guess Who’s now going to CC!!
Group: runacc Message: 1379 From: Stephanie Carrigg Date: 4/6/2006
Subject: Re: Guess Who’s now going to CC!!
Group: runacc Message: 1380 From: Stephanie Carrigg Date: 4/6/2006
Subject: Re: Guess Who’s now going to CC!!
Group: runacc Message: 1381 From: Byron Connell Date: 4/6/2006
Subject: Re: Guess Who’s now going to CC!!
Group: runacc Message: 1382 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 4/7/2006
Subject: Re: Fashion folio costs…
Group: runacc Message: 1383 From: Trudy Leonard Date: 4/7/2006
Subject: Re: Fashion folio costs…
Group: runacc Message: 1384 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 4/7/2006
Subject: Re: Guess Who’s now going to CC!!
Group: runacc Message: 1385 From: Elaine Mami Date: 4/8/2006
Subject: Re: Guess Who’s now going to CC!!
Group: runacc Message: 1386 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 4/9/2006
Subject: FYI – upcoming dates
Group: runacc Message: 1387 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 4/12/2006
Subject: Re: [cc25committee] [cc26sv-staff] [CostumeCon24] Costume-Con on My
Group: runacc Message: 1388 From: Stephanie Carrigg Date: 4/12/2006
Subject: Re: [cc25committee] [cc26sv-staff] [CostumeCon24] Costume-Con on My
Group: runacc Message: 1389 From: Kevin Roche Date: 4/15/2006
Subject: Costume-Con 26 enters merchandising madness…
Group: runacc Message: 1390 From: Trudy Leonard Date: 4/20/2006
Subject: Re: Guess Who’s now going to CC!!
Group: runacc Message: 1391 From: bada.boom@comcast.net Date: 4/20/2006
Subject: Re: Guess Who’s now going to CC!!
Group: runacc Message: 1392 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 4/20/2006
Subject: CC24 “meeting”
Group: runacc Message: 1393 From: Trudy Leonard Date: 4/20/2006
Subject: Re: Guess Who’s now going to CC!!
Group: runacc Message: 1394 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 4/20/2006
Subject: Re: CC24 “meeting”
Group: runacc Message: 1395 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 4/29/2006
Subject: Folio Publishing (Moving this over to RUNACC-was Re: [ICG-D] Repro
Group: runacc Message: 1396 From: bruno Date: 4/29/2006
Subject: Re: Folio Publishing (Moving this over to RUNACC-was Re: [ICG-D] R
Group: runacc Message: 1397 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 4/29/2006
Subject: Re: Folio Publishing (Moving this over to RUNACC-was Re: [ICG-D] R
Group: runacc Message: 1398 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: Folio Publishing (Moving this over to RUNACC-was Re: [ICG-D] R
Group: runacc Message: 1399 From: Trudy Leonard Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: Folio Publishing (Moving this over to RUNACC-was Re: [ICG-D] Re
Group: runacc Message: 1400 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: Folio Publishing (Moving this over to RUNACC-was Re: [ICG-D] Re

 


 

Group: runacc Message: 1351 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: drinking at CCs

http://www.moderndrunkardmagazine.com/
This year’s convention in Las Vegas in June.

Nora

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From: “Ricky & Karen Dick” <castleb@atlanticbb.net>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] drinking at CCs

>I guess if we were actually smart, while we still don’t want a real
>meeting, I think a friday morning drink athon instead of the ICG meeting
>would work well.
>
> WHAT!?!, you’re all thinkin it, I’m just sayin it LOL
>
> Ricky
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: Bruce & Nora Mai
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 7:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [runacc] drinking at CCs
>
>
> And if anyone needs any recipesfro anything odd, let me know. I find
> cocktail books irresistible – the pictures are so colorful.
> May I also refer you all to Modern Drunkard magazine – it’s a lifestyle.
>
> Nora
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Group: runacc Message: 1352 From: bruno Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 297

I have several vintage travel bars similar to this <http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-PORTABLE-PUB-TRAVEL-BAR-TRAVELING-BAR-SET-KEY_W0QQitemZ6266490396QQcategoryZ13906QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem>

How about if people each brought something local to share.

Michael

> ——-Original Message——-
> From: osierhenry@cs.com
> Subject: Re: [runacc] Digest Number 297
> Sent: 29 Mar ’06 00:05
>
> In a message dated 3/28/2006 1:19:12 PM Central Standard Time,
> ecmami@hotmail.com writes:
> > Something red, perhaps, with little pickled onions in them.
> I have a plethora of cocktail onions! I’ll bring them!
> Henry
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Group: runacc Message: 1353 From: bruno Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: drinking at CCs

Either 2004 or 2005 was in Denver, Didn’t know about it until I saw it on TV months later. But, I”m not really a drunkard either.

Michael

> ——-Original Message——-
> From: Bruce & Nora Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [runacc] drinking at CCs
> Sent: 29 Mar ’06 01:08
>
> http://www.moderndrunkardmagazine.com/
> This year’s convention in Las Vegas in June.

 

Group: runacc Message: 1354 From: Stephanie Carrigg Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 297

Damn that sounds like the gauntlet being thrown..

Ricky I know a great liquor store in Salem if you want me to send you
some local brew.

Stephie

On Mar 28, 2006, at 8:05 PM, Andrew T Trembley wrote:

> On Mar 28, 2006, at 5:01 PM, Ricky & Karen Dick wrote:
> > There’s gotta be some local DesMoines Bilge water Beer we can find.
>
> There’s a microbrewery right next to the Hotel Fort Des Moines.
> Bilgewater it ain’t.
>
> I’m not sure you’re butch enough to drink the Wasabi Vodka, though.
>
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Group: runacc Message: 1355 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 297

Bet you can find some Genessee Cream Ale, and that’ll do in a pinch. Or
Utica Club, if that’s still available.

Iowa’s close enough to Western NY, right?

Ewwww…

-b

Ricky & Karen Dick wrote:

> AAACCKK , c’mon guys, don’t gay up alchoholism would ya 😉
> (Please don’t be offended, it’s a real phrase right? I mean, I think I heard it at the republican convention once LOL)
>
> There’s gotta be some local DesMoines Bilge water Beer we can find.
>
> Ricky



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Group: runacc Message: 1356 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 297

LOL,
Wasabi Vodka?
Nope you win.

Ricky

—– Original Message —–
From: Andrew T Trembley
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Digest Number 297

On Mar 28, 2006, at 5:01 PM, Ricky & Karen Dick wrote:
> There’s gotta be some local DesMoines Bilge water Beer we can find.

There’s a microbrewery right next to the Hotel Fort Des Moines.
Bilgewater it ain’t.

I’m not sure you’re butch enough to drink the Wasabi Vodka, though.


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Group: runacc Message: 1357 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: drinking at CCs
Since Marty can’t make it ( something about some east coast con) We still have a bottle of his vampire wine we’ll bring in his honor.

Ricky

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Group: runacc Message: 1358 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: drinking at CCs

I have Vampyre Vodka (which is red) & Blavod (which is Black Vodka), makes
some scary looking cocktails.

Nora

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From: “Ricky & Karen Dick” <castleb@atlanticbb.net>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] drinking at CCs

> Since Marty can’t make it ( something about some east coast con) We still
> have a bottle of his vampire wine we’ll bring in his honor.
>
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Group: runacc Message: 1359 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 3/29/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 297

On Mar 28, 2006, at 11:55 AM, bruno wrote:

> I was surprised at how much drinking there was at CC23. There seemed
> to be much more going on, than at previous CC’s (19, 17, 16). So I
> didn’t come prepared. I’ll be prepared for CC24 🙂

I think it’s CC getting back to it’s SF-con roots.


Andy Trembley, Bull-in-Drag
The Bovine Illuminati (It’s the Cows, Inc.)
http://www.bovil.com/
Moo!

 

Group: runacc Message: 1360 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 3/29/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 297

In a message dated 3/29/2006 4:28:44 PM Central Standard Time,
attrembl@bovil.com writes:

> I think it’s CC getting back to it’s SF-con roots.

I’ll drink to that!
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1361 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 3/30/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 297
Michael,
I have a nice leather one I got from eBay. My landlord found me an
empty violin case portable bar.
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1362 From: Kevin Roche Date: 3/30/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 297

CC16 was suffering from local blue laws and CC17 from an over-reserved
hotel restaurant, as I recall.

You missed the lot of us sharing a case of wine in the back of the
ballroom 😉

(For those of you who don’t know, CC16 is where Andy and I met, and we
proceeded to consume — with assistance — all the wine he’d packed for
multiple conventions).

bruno wrote:

>I was surprised at how much drinking there was at CC23. There seemed to be much more going on, than at previous CC’s (19, 17, 16). So I didn’t come prepared. I’ll be prepared for CC24 🙂
>
>
>Michael
>
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>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1363 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 3/30/2006
Subject: Blue laws

What blue laws are you refering to, Kevin? We don’t have those anymore &
didn’t at the time of CC16 either.
Although we did have them when I was a child – many years ago.

Nora

—– Original Message —–
From: “Kevin Roche” <kevin@twistedimage.com>
> CC16 was suffering from local blue laws and CC17 from an over-reserved
> hotel restaurant, as I recall.

 

Group: runacc Message: 1364 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 3/30/2006
Subject: Re: Blue laws

On Mar 30, 2006, at 3:52 PM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> What blue laws are you refering to, Kevin? We don’t have those anymore
> &
> didn’t at the time of CC16 either.

The bar was closed on Sunday.


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Group: runacc Message: 1365 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 3/30/2006
Subject: Re: Blue laws

Ah! That was actually the hotel’s call, not the law.

Nora

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From: “Andrew T Trembley” <attrembl@bovil.com>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Blue laws

> On Mar 30, 2006, at 3:52 PM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
>> What blue laws are you refering to, Kevin? We don’t have those anymore
>> &
>> didn’t at the time of CC16 either.
>
> The bar was closed on Sunday.
>
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Group: runacc Message: 1366 From: Kevin Roche Date: 3/30/2006
Subject: Re: Blue laws

Really? We were led to believe that they couldn’t have the bar open, but
that they could serve drinks with meals in the restaurant due to some
odd elements in local liquor laws.

Kevin

Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

>Ah! That was actually the hotel’s call, not the law.
>
>Nora
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Group: runacc Message: 1367 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 3/30/2006
Subject: Re: Blue laws

That’s odd, there’s bars right across the highway from that hotel which are
open Sundays, several of them at the plaza & for just a mile or so around.
I think they just didn’t want to be, but I suppose there might be some weird
clause cause they’re acutally in an industrial court which maybe isn’t zoned
for regular liquor sales. The plaza is definitely zoned for entertainment
industries. They have several bars, restaurants & a comedy club.

Nora

—– Original Message —–
From: “Kevin Roche” <kevin@twistedimage.com>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Blue laws

> Really? We were led to believe that they couldn’t have the bar open, but
> that they could serve drinks with meals in the restaurant due to some
> odd elements in local liquor laws.
>
> Kevin
>
> Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
>
>>Ah! That was actually the hotel’s call, not the law.
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Group: runacc Message: 1368 From: Kevin Roche Date: 3/30/2006
Subject: Re: Blue laws

maybe we were just too weird for their business-bar staff 😉

Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

>That’s odd, there’s bars right across the highway from that hotel which are
>open Sundays, several of them at the plaza & for just a mile or so around.
>I think they just didn’t want to be, but I suppose there might be some weird
>clause cause they’re acutally in an industrial court which maybe isn’t zoned
>for regular liquor sales. The plaza is definitely zoned for entertainment
>industries. They have several bars, restaurants & a comedy club.
>
>Nora
>
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Group: runacc Message: 1369 From: Stephanie Carrigg Date: 3/30/2006
Subject: Re: Blue laws

In Massachusetts, blue laws referred to liquor stores or packies could
not be open on Sunday.
Thank the Martini Gods that this is no more.
Nothing was worse than having to drive to NH in order to get beer on a
Sunday.

Stephy

On Mar 30, 2006, at 7:15 PM, Andrew T Trembley wrote:

> On Mar 30, 2006, at 3:52 PM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
> > What blue laws are you refering to, Kevin? We don’t have those
> anymore
> > &
> > didn’t at the time of CC16 either.
>
> The bar was closed on Sunday.
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Group: runacc Message: 1370 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 3/30/2006
Subject: Re: Costume-Con 26 is in business!

And there was much rejoicing?

Thanks!

Betsy

Kevin Roche wrote:

> Just a quick update for folks who’ve been wondering.
>
> Today we surmounted the final paperwork hurdle and successfully opened
> the CC26 bank account.
>
> So to the 51 people who sent in voting fees — they are now happily
> deposited.
>
> Kevin



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Group: runacc Message: 1371 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 4/1/2006
Subject: PROGRESS! CC12 and CC23 photos and status of the Costume-Con site c
Hi, all!

I *just* uploaded all 97 costume photos from the SF, Historical and
Fashion Show/Single Pattern events at Costume-Con 23.

I still have the dolls to work on, and the statistics to include, but if
you want to see our work in progress, go visit:

http://costume-con.org/gallery2/

You’ll also find that CC12’s photos are now online, with the exception
of the Historical masquerade, because I don’t have those pictures in my
possession.

I will be doing the CC23 dolls next.

Then, unfortunately, I’m reduced to scanning again, at which point I’ll
add the photos for CC22 and CC21, and update the images for CC1.

Please note that this is a work in progress. We are still moving the
content from the static pages in the original photo galleries into the
new system. If you poke into a gallery that has no labels yet, you’ll
know we’re still working on it.

Thanks to *everyone* so far who’s contributed to this project! When
we’re all done, Kevin will provide me with the names of our assorted
volunteers, and you’ll be added to our About Us recognition pages as
contributors. (I need to add to that page already, because it’s horribly
out of date.)

More soon!

Betsy



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Group: runacc Message: 1372 From: bada.boom@comcast.net Date: 4/6/2006
Subject: Guess Who’s now going to CC!!
Yup.
little old me..
Got an offer that I could not refuse.
So I’m looking for airfare now. Any advice on what’s the best way to get to Des Moines?

Excited that I’ll get to see everyone and enjoy the conference.

See you all in a few months..
Stephanie

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Group: runacc Message: 1373 From: Tina Date: 4/6/2006
Subject: Re: Guess Who’s now going to CC!!

We can’t help you with that. We’re driving, via the Stratford Shakespeare Festival, so we haven’t priced plane fares.

Tina

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To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 8:44 AM
Subject: [runacc] Guess Who’s now going to CC!!

Yup.
little old me..
Got an offer that I could not refuse.
So I’m looking for airfare now. Any advice on what’s the best way to get to Des Moines?

Excited that I’ll get to see everyone and enjoy the conference.

See you all in a few months..
Stephanie

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Group: runacc Message: 1374 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 4/6/2006
Subject: Re: Guess Who’s now going to CC!!

Yeah!!!! We’re driving from St Louis so I’m no help, but looking forward to
seeing you.

Nora

—– Original Message —–
From: <bada.boom@comcast.net>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 7:44 AM
Subject: [runacc] Guess Who’s now going to CC!!

> Yup.
> little old me..
> Got an offer that I could not refuse.
> So I’m looking for airfare now. Any advice on what’s the best way to get
> to Des Moines?
>
> Excited that I’ll get to see everyone and enjoy the conference.
>
> See you all in a few months..
> Stephanie
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Group: runacc Message: 1375 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 4/6/2006
Subject: Re: Guess Who’s now going to CC!!

In a message dated 4/6/2006 8:24:10 AM Central Standard Time,
bada.boom@comcast.net writes:

> Any advice on what’s the best way to get to Des Moines?

Airship: Too Slow
Camel Caravan: Too Bumpy
Horse, Mule, or Burro: Can Be Smelly
Flying Saucer: It’s the 21st Century! Where are they?

Depends where you are coming from.
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1376 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 4/6/2006
Subject: Fashion folio costs…
Question for previous committees:

What was your folio expense?
How many folios did you order?
Per copy cost?
How many folios did you have left over?
How many pages, and what sort of binding?

collecting this for our folio director


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Group: runacc Message: 1377 From: Stephanie Carrigg Date: 4/6/2006
Subject: Re: Guess Who’s now going to CC!!

I found $259.00 roundtrip on American.
Has anyone tried Priceline?
Tempting but not sure I want to risk not knowing my flight times.

Stephanie

On Apr 6, 2006, at 6:47 PM, Tina wrote:

> We can’t help you with that.  We’re driving, via the Stratford
> Shakespeare Festival, so we haven’t priced plane fares.
>
> Tina
>   —– Original Message —–
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>   To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
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>   Subject: [runacc] Guess Who’s now going to CC!!
>
>
>   Yup.
>   little old me..
>   Got an offer that I could not refuse.
>   So I’m looking for airfare now.  Any advice on what’s the best way
> to get to Des Moines?
>
>   Excited that I’ll get to see everyone and enjoy the conference.
>
>   See you all in a few months..
>   Stephanie
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Group: runacc Message: 1378 From: Byron Connell Date: 4/6/2006
Subject: Re: Guess Who’s now going to CC!!

Great! Look forward to seeing you there. Entering the Historical?

Byron

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Subject: [runacc] Guess Who’s now going to CC!!

Yup.
little old me..
Got an offer that I could not refuse.
So I’m looking for airfare now. Any advice on what’s the best way to get to Des Moines?

Excited that I’ll get to see everyone and enjoy the conference.

See you all in a few months..
Stephanie

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Group: runacc Message: 1379 From: Stephanie Carrigg Date: 4/6/2006
Subject: Re: Guess Who’s now going to CC!!

Very Excited to see you and everyone else!!

Got to figure out how to bring the booze on the plane.
Or maybe just buy in Des Moines.

Happy Happy,
Stephie

On Apr 6, 2006, at 6:54 PM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> Yeah!!!! We’re driving from St Louis so I’m no help, but looking
> forward to
> seeing you.
>
> Nora
> —– Original Message —–
> From: <bada.boom@comcast.net>
> To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 7:44 AM
> Subject: [runacc] Guess Who’s now going to CC!!
>
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> > little old me..
> > Got an offer that I could not refuse.
> > So I’m looking for airfare now.  Any advice on what’s the best way
> to get
> > to Des Moines?
> >
> > Excited that I’ll get to see everyone and enjoy the conference.
> >
> > See you all in a few months..
> > Stephanie
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Group: runacc Message: 1380 From: Stephanie Carrigg Date: 4/6/2006
Subject: Re: Guess Who’s now going to CC!!

I wish..
This was completely last minute for me.
So no competitions lined up for me.
*sigh*
This is my first time at a CC with NOTHING to be competed.
I may collapse from shock.

Stephie

On Apr 6, 2006, at 8:09 PM, Byron Connell wrote:

> Great!  Look forward to seeing you there.  Entering the Historical?
>
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>
>
>   Yup.
>   little old me..
>   Got an offer that I could not refuse.
>   So I’m looking for airfare now.  Any advice on what’s the best way
> to get to Des Moines?
>
>   Excited that I’ll get to see everyone and enjoy the conference.
>
>   See you all in a few months..
>   Stephanie
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Group: runacc Message: 1381 From: Byron Connell Date: 4/6/2006
Subject: Re: Guess Who’s now going to CC!!

Enrique’s taxi?

Byron

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To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Guess Who’s now going to CC!!

In a message dated 4/6/2006 8:24:10 AM Central Standard Time,
bada.boom@comcast.net<mailto:bada.boom@comcast.net> writes:
> Any advice on what’s the best way to get to Des Moines?
Airship: Too Slow
Camel Caravan: Too Bumpy
Horse, Mule, or Burro: Can Be Smelly
Flying Saucer: It’s the 21st Century! Where are they?

Depends where you are coming from.
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1382 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 4/7/2006
Subject: Re: Fashion folio costs…

If I recall for CC23…

I estimated $2/book for printing/binding 300 books.
The $2 estimate was just about dead on, but we didn’t end up printing 300 copies. Somewhere between 150 and 200 total, including a FREE copy to all participating designers, even if they were not members of the con.

We were printing on a laser printer on an “as-needed” basis, so no leftover copies. Leftover paper and plastic GBC binding spirals were minimal.

Folios were 70 pages (35 pages printed back to back on 20 pound stock), 64 pound card stock front and back covers, 3/8″ GBC comb bindings (borrowed a friend’s comb binder at work to do the binding).

Postage was $1.98 per Folio via First Class or $1.58 via Media Mail. Most went First Class, except to committee members and designers who weren’t attending the con. There were a handful of Folios that went to foreign countries that cost about $3.00 each to mail.

I think the total cost for each book was something like $4.18, including printing, binding, and postage.
YMMV, especially with a larger/heavier book.

–Karen

—– Original Message —–
From: Andrew T Trembley
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 7:50 PM
Subject: [runacc] Fashion folio costs…

Question for previous committees:

What was your folio expense?
How many folios did you order?
Per copy cost?
How many folios did you have left over?
How many pages, and what sort of binding?

collecting this for our folio director


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Group: runacc Message: 1383 From: Trudy Leonard Date: 4/7/2006
Subject: Re: Fashion folio costs…

Steve and Karen – could you guys comment on your part of the CC22 folio
expenses? I can give a rough estimate of how many were left.

Trudy

>From: Andrew T Trembley <attrembl@bovil.com>
>Reply-To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
>To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [runacc] Fashion folio costs…
>Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 16:50:53 -0700
>
>Question for previous committees:
>
>What was your folio expense?
>How many folios did you order?
>Per copy cost?
>How many folios did you have left over?
>How many pages, and what sort of binding?
>
>collecting this for our folio director
>
>–
>andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
>
>Play Internet Argument-Losing Bingo!
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Group: runacc Message: 1384 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 4/7/2006
Subject: Re: Guess Who’s now going to CC!!

In a message dated 4/6/2006 8:18:24 PM Central Standard Time,
bpconnell@verizon.net writes:

> Enrique’s taxi?

I hope you liked your lunch, cuz you might see it again!
Enrique O’Sure

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Group: runacc Message: 1385 From: Elaine Mami Date: 4/8/2006
Subject: Re: Guess Who’s now going to CC!!

We’ve priced plane fares, so we’re driving!

Elaine

Nil significat nisi oscillat!

>We can’t help you with that. We’re driving, via the Stratford Shakespeare
>Festival, so we haven’t priced plane fares.
>
>Tina
>
>
> Yup.
> little old me..
> Got an offer that I could not refuse.
> So I’m looking for airfare now. Any advice on what’s the best way to
>get to Des Moines?
>
> Excited that I’ll get to see everyone and enjoy the conference.
>
> See you all in a few months..
> Stephanie
>
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Group: runacc Message: 1386 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 4/9/2006
Subject: FYI – upcoming dates
It’s one week until Easter.
Less than 7 weeks until CC24.
Just over 18 weeks to the CC25 Future Fashion Folio Deadline!

Submit early, submit often!

This has been a public service announcement.

Nora

 

Group: runacc Message: 1387 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 4/12/2006
Subject: Re: [cc25committee] [cc26sv-staff] [CostumeCon24] Costume-Con on My
Costume-Con now has a MySpace account for promotional purposes. The address
is:

http://www.myspace.com/costumecon

I’m still in the process of putting it up, as Ricky and I have also been
mounting MySpace sites for Castle Blood and Franz Joseph Designs (my dad’s
STAR TREK biz) over the last week.

I hope to get some pics up on the MySpace site that will be a nice blend of
anime, media, historical, and original costumes, so people will be
interested enough to check CC out further.

There are also links to .org and .com from MySpace. The object is to drive
interested parties to the two CC sites, and from there to each of the
individual CC’s.

If any of you have MySpace accounts, please “friend” the costumecon MySpace
account.

We’re hoping this turns out to be a good way to network and get people
interested in CC who may not have come across it before. Sure seems to be
working for Castle Blood!

Thanks!

–Karen

 

Group: runacc Message: 1388 From: Stephanie Carrigg Date: 4/12/2006
Subject: Re: [cc25committee] [cc26sv-staff] [CostumeCon24] Costume-Con on My

Added CC to my MY Space page.

Steph

On Apr 12, 2006, at 10:37 AM, Ricky & Karen Dick wrote:

> Costume-Con now has a MySpace account for promotional purposes. The
> address
> is:
>
> http://www.myspace.com/costumecon
>
> I’m still in the process of putting it up, as Ricky and I have also
> been
> mounting MySpace sites for Castle Blood and Franz Joseph Designs (my
> dad’s
> STAR TREK biz) over the last week.
>
> I hope to get some pics up on the MySpace site that will be a nice
> blend of
> anime, media, historical, and original costumes, so people will be
> interested enough to check CC out further.
>
> There are also links to .org and .com from MySpace. The object is to
> drive
> interested parties to the two CC sites, and from there to each of the
> individual CC’s.
>
> If any of you have MySpace accounts, please “friend” the costumecon
> MySpace
> account.
>
> We’re hoping this turns out to be a good way to network and get people
> interested in CC who may not have come across it before. Sure seems
> to be
> working for Castle Blood!
>
> Thanks!
>
> –Karen
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Group: runacc Message: 1389 From: Kevin Roche Date: 4/15/2006
Subject: Costume-Con 26 enters merchandising madness…
That’s right…

Someone asked me when Costume-Con 26 T-shirts would be available (we
have a pretty vocal and visible group of supporters)…

And I discovered we had everything necessary to open our own CafePress shop.

Visit <http://www.cafepress.com/costumecon26> to see the early-bird
items we’ve put together so far.

Kevin

 

Group: runacc Message: 1390 From: Trudy Leonard Date: 4/20/2006
Subject: Re: Guess Who’s now going to CC!!

Stephanie –

Did you ever find a good fare to Des Moines? I got an email from
Travelocity this morning with a drop in fares (but, of course, that was from
Atlanta). Might be worth checking out though, if you are still looking.

Trudy

>From: bada.boom@comcast.net
>Reply-To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
>To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [runacc] Guess Who’s now going to CC!!
>Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 12:44:06 +0000
>
>Yup.
>little old me..
>Got an offer that I could not refuse.
>So I’m looking for airfare now. Any advice on what’s the best way to get
>to Des Moines?
>
>Excited that I’ll get to see everyone and enjoy the conference.
>
>See you all in a few months..
>Stephanie
>
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>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1391 From: bada.boom@comcast.net Date: 4/20/2006
Subject: Re: Guess Who’s now going to CC!!

Hi Trudy!
I’ll check.
I’ve got to book the tickets this week, so hopefully this will be so for Boston too!

Thanks for the heads up!
Stephanie

————– Original message ————–
From: “Trudy Leonard” <georgialei@hotmail.com>
Stephanie –

Did you ever find a good fare to Des Moines? I got an email from
Travelocity this morning with a drop in fares (but, of course, that was from
Atlanta). Might be worth checking out though, if you are still looking.

Trudy

>From: bada.boom@comcast.net
>Reply-To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
>To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [runacc] Guess Who’s now going to CC!!
>Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 12:44:06 +0000
>
>Yup.
>little old me..
>Got an offer that I could not refuse.
>So I’m looking for airfare now. Any advice on what’s the best way to get
>to Des Moines?
>
>Excited that I’ll get to see everyone and enjoy the conference.
>
>See you all in a few months..
>Stephanie
>
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>

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Group: runacc Message: 1392 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 4/20/2006
Subject: CC24 “meeting”
I seem to recall the general tone of a “meeting” of all of us who are going
to be at CC24. Any thoughts about where and when?
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1393 From: Trudy Leonard Date: 4/20/2006
Subject: Re: Guess Who’s now going to CC!!

You’re welcome. Glad you’re gonna be there!

Trudy

>From: bada.boom@comcast.net
>Reply-To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
>To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [runacc] Guess Who’s now going to CC!!
>Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 13:16:29 +0000
>
>Hi Trudy!
>I’ll check.
>I’ve got to book the tickets this week, so hopefully this will be so for
>Boston too!
>
>Thanks for the heads up!
>Stephanie
>
>————– Original message ————–
>From: “Trudy Leonard” <georgialei@hotmail.com>
>Stephanie –
>
>Did you ever find a good fare to Des Moines? I got an email from
>Travelocity this morning with a drop in fares (but, of course, that was
>from
>Atlanta). Might be worth checking out though, if you are still looking.
>
>Trudy
>
>
> >From: bada.boom@comcast.net
> >Reply-To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> >To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [runacc] Guess Who’s now going to CC!!
> >Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 12:44:06 +0000
> >
> >Yup.
> >little old me..
> >Got an offer that I could not refuse.
> >So I’m looking for airfare now. Any advice on what’s the best way to get
> >to Des Moines?
> >
> >Excited that I’ll get to see everyone and enjoy the conference.
> >
> >See you all in a few months..
> >Stephanie
> >
> >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
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>
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Group: runacc Message: 1394 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 4/20/2006
Subject: Re: CC24 “meeting”

I think I heard something about a bar, the pool, or some combination of
the two, but I could be wrong… 9-)

-B

osierhenry@cs.com wrote:

> I seem to recall the general tone of a “meeting” of all of us who are going
> to be at CC24. Any thoughts about where and when?
> Henry



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Group: runacc Message: 1395 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 4/29/2006
Subject: Folio Publishing (Moving this over to RUNACC-was Re: [ICG-D] Repro

Ricky & Karen Dick wrote:

> Now, to be just as blunt to the designers, I don’t like, as a con chair, to be held hostage like that BUT until we have 50 people sending in designs each year, we can’t loose these folks who enter all the time, enter a large amount, and enter many of the best work.
>

I’m waiting to see what Dawn “Kaijugal” enters for St. Louis next year,
but she (if she does enter, nudge, nudge) illustrates the other side of
the coin. Having seen a folio now, she’s very excited about entering.

The folio has the same marketing problem as many Costume-Con committees
do (not promoting well outside the core constituency) but for different
reasons. Because the folios aren’t widely available to new potential
entrants, we don’t generate interest, excitement and new entrants.
They’re widely available to the core constituency, but that doesn’t grow
the competition.

Come spring 2007, our committee is going to have to start sitting fan
tables (I hate sitting fan tables). One of the things that *will* happen
is there will be a stash of folios through the years (we’ve got a
reasonable collection) at the table for people to look at.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1396 From: bruno Date: 4/29/2006
Subject: Re: Folio Publishing (Moving this over to RUNACC-was Re: [ICG-D] R

Just make sure you keep an eye on them or chain them to a table. I don’t have any folios prior to CC23 because I used to take them to fan tables, and they were all stolen.

Michael

>
> Come spring 2007, our committee is going to have to start sitting fan
> tables (I hate sitting fan tables). One of the things that *will* happen
> is there will be a stash of folios through the years (we’ve got a
> reasonable collection) at the table for people to look at.
>
> andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1397 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 4/29/2006
Subject: Re: Folio Publishing (Moving this over to RUNACC-was Re: [ICG-D] R

In a message dated 4/29/2006 8:34:00 PM Central Standard Time,
bruno@soulmasque.com writes:

> Just make sure you keep an eye on them or chain them to a table. I don’t
> have any folios prior to CC23 because I used to take them to fan tables, and
> they were all stolen.
>
> Michael

I think I have extras from CC21. I will find out tomorrow. Let me know if you
would like one.
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1398 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: Folio Publishing (Moving this over to RUNACC-was Re: [ICG-D] R

At 08:41 PM 4/29/2006, you wrote:

I have a complete set of folios. I’ve been planning to scan them in.
I’ll try to do that this summer and send you the files. Then you can
print extras if some disappear.

Pierre

>In a message dated 4/29/2006 8:34:00 PM Central Standard Time,
>bruno@soulmasque.com writes:
> > Just make sure you keep an eye on them or chain them to a table. I don’t
> > have any folios prior to CC23 because I used to take them to fan
> tables, and
> > they were all stolen.
> >
> > Michael
>I think I have extras from CC21. I will find out tomorrow. Let me know if you
>would like one.
>Henry

“Those Who Fail To Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly —
Why They Are Simply Doomed.

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C.Y. 4971

Andromeda

 

Group: runacc Message: 1399 From: Trudy Leonard Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: Folio Publishing (Moving this over to RUNACC-was Re: [ICG-D] Re

Michael –

I still have quite a few from CC22 if you would like me to send you any.
Just give me an address.

Trudy

>From: “bruno” <bruno@soulmasque.com>
>Reply-To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
>To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [runacc] Folio Publishing (Moving this over to RUNACC-was Re:
>[ICG-D] Reproducing the Archives
>Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 01:33:51 +0000
>
>Just make sure you keep an eye on them or chain them to a table. I don’t
>have any folios prior to CC23 because I used to take them to fan tables,
>and they were all stolen.
>
>Michael
>
>
> >
> > Come spring 2007, our committee is going to have to start sitting fan
> > tables (I hate sitting fan tables). One of the things that *will*
>happen
> > is there will be a stash of folios through the years (we’ve got a
> > reasonable collection) at the table for people to look at.
> >
> > andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1400 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 4/30/2006
Subject: Re: Folio Publishing (Moving this over to RUNACC-was Re: [ICG-D] Re

In a message dated 4/30/2006 3:58:03 PM Central Standard Time,
georgialei@hotmail.com writes:

> >From: “bruno” <bruno@soulmasque.com>
> >Reply-To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> >To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [runacc] Folio Publishing (Moving this over to RUNACC-was Re:
>
> >[ICG-D] Reproducing the Archives
> >Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 01:33:51 +0000
> >
> >Just make sure you keep an eye on them or chain them to a table. I don’t
> >have any folios prior to CC23 because I used to take them to fan tables,
> >and they were all stolen.
> >
> >Michael
> >

Michael,
I just located the extra FFF from CC21. I have plenty of extras. Send
me your mailing address and I will get one out to you in the mail this week.
As soon as I get a count on them, in a few days, I will make them
available to archives, then anyone in this group.
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1301 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: Educatinal materials – Elaine
Group: runacc Message: 1302 From: Elaine Mami Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: Educatinal materials – Elaine
Group: runacc Message: 1303 From: Elaine Mami Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: 3 files
Group: runacc Message: 1304 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Re: 3 files
Group: runacc Message: 1305 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: PayPal…
Group: runacc Message: 1306 From: dave@techvoice.com Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: PayPal…
Group: runacc Message: 1307 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: PayPal…
Group: runacc Message: 1308 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: Re: PayPal…
Group: runacc Message: 1309 From: Les Roth Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: PayPal…
Group: runacc Message: 1310 From: David Doering Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: PayPal…
Group: runacc Message: 1311 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Stay on Target, Stay on Target
Group: runacc Message: 1312 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: Re: Stay on Target, Stay on Target
Group: runacc Message: 1313 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: Re: Stay on Target, Stay on Target
Group: runacc Message: 1314 From: Kevin Roche Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re: Stay on Target, Stay on Target
Group: runacc Message: 1315 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 295
Group: runacc Message: 1316 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 295
Group: runacc Message: 1317 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re: Stay on Target, Stay on Target
Group: runacc Message: 1318 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 295
Group: runacc Message: 1319 From: Stephanie Carrigg Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re: Stay on Target, Stay on Target
Group: runacc Message: 1320 From: Stephanie Carrigg Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 295
Group: runacc Message: 1321 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Drinking meetings
Group: runacc Message: 1322 From: Tina Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 295
Group: runacc Message: 1323 From: Elaine Mami Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: Re: Drinking meetings
Group: runacc Message: 1324 From: martingear Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: Re: Drinking meetings
Group: runacc Message: 1325 From: Kevin Roche Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: Re: Drinking meetings
Group: runacc Message: 1326 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: Re: Drinking meetings
Group: runacc Message: 1327 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: Re: Drinking meetings
Group: runacc Message: 1328 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: Way OT – nowhere near the target (Re: [runacc] Drinking meetings)
Group: runacc Message: 1329 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: Re: Way OT – nowhere near the target (Re: [runacc] Drinking meeting
Group: runacc Message: 1330 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: Drinking meetings
Group: runacc Message: 1331 From: Kevin Roche Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: Drinking meetings
Group: runacc Message: 1332 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Bringing us back from the bar for a moment…
Group: runacc Message: 1333 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 297
Group: runacc Message: 1334 From: Karen Heim Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 297
Group: runacc Message: 1335 From: bada.boom@comcast.net Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 297
Group: runacc Message: 1336 From: Trudy Leonard Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: Bringing us back from the bar for a moment…
Group: runacc Message: 1337 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: Bringing us back from the bar for a moment…
Group: runacc Message: 1338 From: Elaine Mami Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 297
Group: runacc Message: 1339 From: bruno Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 297
Group: runacc Message: 1340 From: Elaine Mami Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: drinking at CCs
Group: runacc Message: 1341 From: bruno Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 297
Group: runacc Message: 1342 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 297
Group: runacc Message: 1343 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: Drinking meetings
Group: runacc Message: 1344 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 297
Group: runacc Message: 1345 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 297
Group: runacc Message: 1346 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: drinking at CCs
Group: runacc Message: 1347 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: drinking at CCs
Group: runacc Message: 1348 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 297
Group: runacc Message: 1349 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 297
Group: runacc Message: 1350 From: Tina Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: drinking at CCs

 


 

Group: runacc Message: 1301 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: Educatinal materials – Elaine

You need to log into Yahoo groups for runacc, then go to the left side and
click on the link to files. Let us know if you’re still having trouble.

Bruce

—– Original Message —–
From: “Elaine Mami” <ecmami@hotmail.com>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 9:05 AM
Subject: RE: [runacc] Educatinal materials

> Bruce,
>
> Where are the documents? I can only find the costumeconnections site.
>
> Elaine
>
> Nil significat nisi oscillat!
>
>
>
>
>
>>From: “Bruce & Nora Mai” <casamai@sbcglobal.net>
>>Reply-To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
>>To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
>>Subject: [runacc] Educatinal materials
>>Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:57:34 -0600
>>
>>It occured to me that, beyond the flyers, newbies often don’t have a
>>complete picture of what to expect at a CC. So I wrote up these 3
>>documents, which I’ve uploaded to the runacc group.
>>The intentinois to send them with the PR(s) to anyone who identifies
>>themselves as a “first-timer”.
>>
>>If anyone has any additions they’d like to suggest, I would welcome them –
>>especially the “Do’s and Don’ts”
>>
>>Bruce
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1302 From: Elaine Mami Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: Educatinal materials – Elaine

Duh! I was using the link in the message. Thanks,

Elaine

Nil significat nisi oscillat!

>You need to log into Yahoo groups for runacc, then go to the left side and
>click on the link to files. Let us know if you’re still having trouble.
>
>Bruce

 

Group: runacc Message: 1303 From: Elaine Mami Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: 3 files
I do like the 3 info. files, although the main one is really rather long.
On the Dos and Donts page, please add: DO drink plenty of water, because
hotels are notoriously dehydrating.

Elaine

 

Group: runacc Message: 1304 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 1/21/2006
Subject: Re: 3 files

Elaine Mami wrote:

> I do like the 3 info. files, although the main one is really rather long.
> On the Dos and Donts page, please add: DO drink plenty of water, because
> hotels are notoriously dehydrating.
>

Burt’s Bees (or other lip balm).

Keep something in your pocket. Apply regularly. If you don’t, and wait
’til your lips are dry, you’ll be too late.

(written from a hotel, 2 days in.)

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1305 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: PayPal…
So all this PayPal discussion over on ICG-D (yeah, OK, it wasn’t
much…)

It’s best to just factor in the transaction cost for PayPal or other
credit processing into the base membership rate. Then you don’t have to
worry about it being “cost effective,” It’s already budgeted for, and
is available through the whole process.

That said, a cynical approach is to not open PayPal services until the
last rate-hike. The last pre-reg rate should have enough buffer in it
to cover the processing costs. It also gets (and this is the cynical
part) folks who won’t do anything but PayPal or cash in-person waiting
until the rates are highest to register.


andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
San Jose, CA – ’72 R75/5 ’86 R100 (mine) – ’92 K75sa ’03 R1150R
(Kevin’s)
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Group: runacc Message: 1306 From: dave@techvoice.com Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: PayPal…
As I may have mentioned before, our experience at CC23 was that between
1/3 and 1/2 of our memberships came via PayPal. The first one sold that
way within 24 hours of my opening up that option on the webpage.

When we reviewed the fee structure, we opted to just incorporate it into
the membership rate, rather than as a separate item. This given that if we
had accepted just checks, we would have had to budget for returned check
fees for at least a few such items.

Overall, I would not do another con without setting up a PayPal (or credit
card/merchant account) right from the start.

Dave Doering
Co-Chair
CC23: Utah

 

Group: runacc Message: 1307 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: PayPal…

Good points, as usual, Andy.

I’m guessing we may wind up doing that. I’m wondering if Dave’s experience
may be unique, though, given the attending numbers. At this point, we’ve
already set our rates, so factoring Paypal at this point is not something
I’m keen on doing.

Bruce

—– Original Message —–
From: “Andrew T Trembley” <attrembl@bovil.com>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 6:19 PM
Subject: [runacc] PayPal…

> That said, a cynical approach is to not open PayPal services until the
> last rate-hike. The last pre-reg rate should have enough buffer in it
> to cover the processing costs. It also gets (and this is the cynical
> part) folks who won’t do anything but PayPal or cash in-person waiting
> until the rates are highest to register.
>
> —
> andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
> San Jose, CA – ’72 R75/5 ’86 R100 (mine) – ’92 K75sa ’03 R1150R
> (Kevin’s)
> …remaining .sig trimmed for better message/.sig ratio
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1308 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: Re: PayPal…

On Feb 13, 2006, at 8:26 PM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> Good points, as usual, Andy.
>
> I’m guessing we may wind up doing that. I’m wondering if Dave’s
> experience
> may be unique, though, given the attending numbers. At this point,
> we’ve
> already set our rates, so factoring Paypal at this point is not
> something
> I’m keen on doing.

The only thing missing from Dave’s note is when CC23 implemented
PayPal. That would give us a bit more context to evaluate his numbers.
I don’t think, though, that his experience is anything unique.


andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
San Jose, CA – ’72 R75/5 ’86 R100 (mine) – ’92 K75sa ’03 R1150R
(Kevin’s)
“It’s not pink, it’s peach-colored. Pink is tacky.”
–Manfred Pfirsich Marie Rommel

2nd most important safety device on my bike: the one beneath my right
hand
Most important safety device on my bike: the one inside my helmet

 

Group: runacc Message: 1309 From: Les Roth Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: PayPal…

CC24 has had online registration up since October, and have had
approximately 20 memberships come via PayPal. We’ve decided to eat
the PayPal cost ourselves rather than raising our rates.

One request, please do not do what Capricon did this year. They
charged an additional $2 to register online (for a $40 membership)
but never notified the user of this. The only notice of a surcharge,
was when you’re dumped into PayPal and the fee is listed at $42,
instead of $40, with no indication of why the price wasn’t what they
quoted on their web page. Very poor form, in my opinion. If you’re
going to charge a surcharge, please have the decency to let folks
know upfront.

Les

Live, never to be ashamed if everything you do is published around the
world. Even if what is published is not true. — Richard Bach

On Feb 14, 2006, at 3:45 PM, Andrew T Trembley wrote:

> On Feb 13, 2006, at 8:26 PM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
>> Good points, as usual, Andy.
>>
>> I’m guessing we may wind up doing that. I’m wondering if Dave’s
>> experience
>> may be unique, though, given the attending numbers. At this point,
>> we’ve
>> already set our rates, so factoring Paypal at this point is not
>> something
>> I’m keen on doing.
>
> The only thing missing from Dave’s note is when CC23 implemented
> PayPal. That would give us a bit more context to evaluate his numbers.
> I don’t think, though, that his experience is anything unique.
>
> —
> andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
> San Jose, CA – ’72 R75/5 ’86 R100 (mine) – ’92 K75sa ’03 R1150R
> (Kevin’s)
> “It’s not pink, it’s peach-colored. Pink is tacky.”
> –Manfred Pfirsich Marie Rommel
>
> 2nd most important safety device on my bike: the one beneath my right
> hand
> Most important safety device on my bike: the one inside my helmet
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 1310 From: David Doering Date: 2/17/2006
Subject: Re: PayPal…

Les wrote:

>”If you’re going to charge a surcharge, please have the decency to let folks
>know upfront.”

Whether its a hotel or the con, putting unexpected fees on is a sure
way to create big problems. This is even more surprising since you
have to write the webpage that calls PayPal up anyway, you should be
able to immediately add that verbiage.

Dave Doering
CC23: Utah

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Group: runacc Message: 1311 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 3/24/2006
Subject: Stay on Target, Stay on Target
To all our friends on the Runacc list,
we’re sorry to be sending this right now, as we’re sure the last thing you
need is more email about costuming.

But we wanted to be sure we are all on the same page re Costume-Con.

We know many of you are quite ‘active’ in the goings on over on the ICG-D
list right now.
We hold in our hearts that you are all acting on good faith and doing what
your conscience tells you is right.

You will notice we are staying completely out of the turmoil.

Our first and only concern, past making costumes, is the smooth running of
and upholding the continuity of Costime-Con.

We hope everyone realizes that whatever is going on with the ICG and
whatever our opinions of it are, we here must be sure that no harm comes to
the reputation of CC, and especially that no harm comes to the three active
seated conventions. We must work to let people know that at CC they are free
to enjoy costumes as they wish, in a fun atmosphere, with club politics only
affecting them if they choose to let it.

Strong statements on the ICG list polarize people’s opinions, and we need to
support each other so that there are no negative feelings associated with
any CC because of that.

Now we come to the latest weapon people use to beat each other up with:
Anime costumes. CC obviously will welcome Anime costumes with open arms. To
that end, Bruce Mai, Kevin Roche, and Ricky all have joined cosplay.com and
been active both in talking about CC, and even better, have been helpful in
answering questions on the topics that these folks have questions about,
like makeup, armour, green rooms, and more.

And now we, with a great deal of help from ‘friendlies’ in the cosplay
community, have arranged that CC will have its own subforum on cosplay.com,
right there with Comic Con, Dragon Con and all the tons of anime cons.
The Powers That Be have realized that we are trying to be inclusive and that
their members would benefit from a CC forum. How cool is that?

We all have talked in the past about ways to have a full time CC promotion
effort and this is a GREAT one.

So, in spite of whatever differences of opinion are taking place on the
ICG-D, let’s try not to kill each other over there, and let’s make sure that
no matter what else happens, that the next 3 CC’s go as well as we hope they
will.

Karen and Ricky

 

Group: runacc Message: 1312 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: Re: Stay on Target, Stay on Target

AMEN Brother and Sister!!!

Cheers,

Betsy

Ricky & Karen Dick wrote:

> To all our friends on the Runacc list,
> we’re sorry to be sending this right now, as we’re sure the last thing you
> need is more email about costuming.
>
> But we wanted to be sure we are all on the same page re Costume-Con.



Betsy Delaney
*************************************************************************
http://www.hawkeswood.com/ * http://www.OutOftheBlackBox.org/
http://www.BarkingMad.org/ * http://www.sickpups.org/
http://www.Costume-Con.org/ * http://www.SchoolWithoutWalls.org/
*************************************************************************

 

Group: runacc Message: 1313 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 3/25/2006
Subject: Re: Stay on Target, Stay on Target

At 10:36 PM 3/24/2006, you wrote:

>Now we come to the latest weapon people use to beat each other up with:
>Anime costumes. CC obviously will welcome Anime costumes with open arms. To
>that end, Bruce Mai, Kevin Roche, and Ricky all have joined cosplay.com and
>been active both in talking about CC, and even better, have been helpful in
>answering questions on the topics that these folks have questions about,
>like makeup, armour, green rooms, and more.

Send me the sign up info for cosplay.com and I’ll help with this.

Pierre

>And now we, with a great deal of help from ‘friendlies’ in the cosplay
>community, have arranged that CC will have its own subforum on cosplay.com,
>right there with Comic Con, Dragon Con and all the tons of anime cons.
>The Powers That Be have realized that we are trying to be inclusive and that
>their members would benefit from a CC forum. How cool is that?
>
>We all have talked in the past about ways to have a full time CC promotion
>effort and this is a GREAT one.
>
>So, in spite of whatever differences of opinion are taking place on the
>ICG-D, let’s try not to kill each other over there, and let’s make sure that
>no matter what else happens, that the next 3 CC’s go as well as we hope they
>will.
>
>Karen and Ricky

“Those Who Fail To Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly —
Why They Are Simply Doomed.

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C.Y. 4971

Andromeda

 

Group: runacc Message: 1314 From: Kevin Roche Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re: Stay on Target, Stay on Target

Navigate to cosplay.com

Click on Forums in the masthead
Click on Register in the forums masthead

Follow through the procedure to creat your account.

Easy 🙂

Kevin

>Send me the sign up info for cosplay.com and I’ll help with this.
>
>Pierre
>
>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1315 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 295

Thanks Pierre,
your calm approach will be well served over there and thanks Kevin for
getting him the info.

The CC forum isn’t up yet as the administrator is at a con this weekend.
They still do call them cons don’t they?
I mean I’m still takig in the part where we aren’t supposed to say costuming
anymore LOL
( just a joke, please leave the ICG stuff off of here)
hopefully it will be up this week.
With all the effort Kevin has been making on the archives it really has
pushed us to work on the year round angles of CC and we hope to have other
stuff to share with you by CC.
We don’t want another runacc meeting or anything. some of you will be in no
mood for more meetings I bet.
but we will keep you up to date on what’s happening and what we need help
with.
Anything we’re ready to chat with you at cc about will be in position to
send to this list as well, so anyone not attending will always be kept up to
speed.

but we do have some fun things we’d like to do and will need the envolvement
of others to make it happen.

Ricky

—– Original Message —–
From: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 4:49 AM
Subject: [runacc] Digest Number 295

> There are 3 messages in this issue.
>
> Topics in this digest:
>
> 1. Re: Stay on Target, Stay on Target
> From: Betsy Delaney <bdelaney@hawkeswood.com>
> 2. Re: Stay on Target, Stay on Target
> From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger <costumrs@radiks.net>
> 3. Re: Stay on Target, Stay on Target
> From: Kevin Roche <kevin@twistedimage.com>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 09:20:13 -0500
> From: Betsy Delaney <bdelaney@hawkeswood.com>
> Subject: Re: Stay on Target, Stay on Target
>
> AMEN Brother and Sister!!!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Betsy
>
> Ricky & Karen Dick wrote:
> > To all our friends on the Runacc list,
> > we’re sorry to be sending this right now, as we’re sure the last thing
you
> > need is more email about costuming.
> >
> > But we wanted to be sure we are all on the same page re Costume-Con.
>
>
> —
> —
> Betsy Delaney
> *************************************************************************
> http://www.hawkeswood.com/ * http://www.OutOftheBlackBox.org/
> http://www.BarkingMad.org/ * http://www.sickpups.org/
> http://www.Costume-Con.org/ * http://www.SchoolWithoutWalls.org/
> *************************************************************************
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 09:39:31 -0600
> From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger <costumrs@radiks.net>
> Subject: Re: Stay on Target, Stay on Target
>
> At 10:36 PM 3/24/2006, you wrote:
>
> >Now we come to the latest weapon people use to beat each other up with:
> >Anime costumes. CC obviously will welcome Anime costumes with open arms.
To
> >that end, Bruce Mai, Kevin Roche, and Ricky all have joined cosplay.com
and
> >been active both in talking about CC, and even better, have been helpful
in
> >answering questions on the topics that these folks have questions about,
> >like makeup, armour, green rooms, and more.
>
> Send me the sign up info for cosplay.com and I’ll help with this.
>
> Pierre
>
> >And now we, with a great deal of help from ‘friendlies’ in the cosplay
> >community, have arranged that CC will have its own subforum on
cosplay.com,
> >right there with Comic Con, Dragon Con and all the tons of anime cons.
> >The Powers That Be have realized that we are trying to be inclusive and
that
> >their members would benefit from a CC forum. How cool is that?
> >
> >We all have talked in the past about ways to have a full time CC
promotion
> >effort and this is a GREAT one.
> >
> >So, in spite of whatever differences of opinion are taking place on the
> >ICG-D, let’s try not to kill each other over there, and let’s make sure
that
> >no matter what else happens, that the next 3 CC’s go as well as we hope
they
> >will.
> >
> >Karen and Ricky
>
> “Those Who Fail To Learn History
> Are Doomed to Repeat It;
> Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly —
> Why They Are Simply Doomed.
>
> Achemdro’hm
> “The Illusion of Historical Fact”
> — C.Y. 4971
>
> Andromeda
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 23:22:45 -0800
> From: Kevin Roche <kevin@twistedimage.com>
> Subject: Re: Stay on Target, Stay on Target
>
> Navigate to cosplay.com
>
> Click on Forums in the masthead
> Click on Register in the forums masthead
>
> Follow through the procedure to creat your account.
>
> Easy 🙂
>
> Kevin
>
> >Send me the sign up info for cosplay.com and I’ll help with this.
> >
> >Pierre
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> ————————————————————————
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
> ————————————————————————
>
>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1316 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 295

Inserted comments – Nora

—– Original Message —–
From: “Ricky & Karen Dick” <castleb@atlanticbb.net>
> The CC forum isn’t up yet as the administrator is at a con this weekend.
> They still do call them cons don’t they?
> I mean I’m still takig in the part where we aren’t supposed to say
> costuming
> anymore LOL
“differently-wardrobed”? Is that PC enough, as well as totally unclear.

> We don’t want another runacc meeting or anything. some of you will be in
> no
> mood for more meetings I bet.
Meetings are fine as long as they’re in the bar or the pool.

> but we do have some fun things we’d like to do and will need the
> envolvement
> of others to make it happen.
Fun things? Are we still allowed to do fun things? Wow, that would be so
cool!

 

Group: runacc Message: 1317 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re: Stay on Target, Stay on Target

In a message dated 3/24/2006 10:35:57 PM Central Standard Time,
castleb@atlanticbb.net writes:

> You will notice we are staying completely out of the turmoil.

Ricky, Karen, and everyone else,
This is all “F”ing nuts, in my opinion.
I do agree that we in this group do not let it interfere with CC’s. I
wouldn’t be bidding for another one if I thought CC’s were “F”ing nuts.

Henry Osier
Chief Spy
CostumeCon 28 Bid in Milwaukee in 2010
e-mail CC2010Milw@cs.com for more information
or visit http://www.geocities.com/dandyhank/CC28Milwaukee2010.html

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Group: runacc Message: 1318 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 295

In a message dated 3/26/2006 1:15:25 PM Central Standard Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> Meetings are fine as long as they’re in the bar or the pool.
>

I’ll drink to that motion!

> Fun things? Are we still allowed to do fun things? Wow, that would be so
> cool!

Nora, TAG! You’re it! 🙂
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1319 From: Stephanie Carrigg Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re: Stay on Target, Stay on Target

If more pro-CC folks are needed on Cosplay.com just say the word and
I’ll be there to support in any way I can.

Stephanie

On Mar 24, 2006, at 11:36 PM, Ricky & Karen Dick wrote:

> To all our friends on the Runacc list,
> we’re sorry to be sending this right now, as we’re sure the last
> thing you
> need is more email about costuming.
>
> But we wanted to be sure we are all on the same page re Costume-Con.
>
> We know many of you are quite ‘active’ in the goings on over on the
> ICG-D
> list right now.
> We hold in our hearts that you are all acting on good faith and doing
> what
> your conscience tells you is right.
>
> You will notice we are staying completely out of the turmoil.
>
> Our first and only concern, past making costumes, is the smooth
> running of
> and upholding the continuity of Costime-Con.
>
> We hope everyone realizes that whatever is going on with the ICG and
> whatever our opinions of it are, we here must be sure that no harm
> comes to
> the reputation of CC, and especially that no harm comes to the three
> active
> seated conventions. We must work to let people know that at CC they
> are free
> to enjoy costumes as they wish, in a fun atmosphere, with club
> politics only
> affecting them if they choose to let it.
>
> Strong statements on the ICG list polarize people’s opinions, and we
> need to
> support each other so that there are no negative feelings associated
> with
> any CC because of that.
>
> Now we come to the latest weapon people use to beat each other up
> with:
> Anime costumes. CC obviously will welcome Anime costumes with open
> arms. To
> that end, Bruce Mai, Kevin Roche, and Ricky all have joined
> cosplay.com and
> been active both in talking about CC, and even better, have been
> helpful in
> answering questions on the topics that these folks have questions
> about,
> like makeup, armour, green rooms, and more.
>
> And now we, with  a great deal of help from ‘friendlies’ in the
> cosplay
> community, have arranged that CC will have its own subforum on
> cosplay.com,
> right there with Comic Con, Dragon Con and all the tons of anime cons.
> The Powers That Be have realized that we are trying to be inclusive
> and that
> their members would benefit from a CC forum. How cool is that?
>
> We all have talked in the past about ways to have a full time CC
> promotion
> effort and this is a GREAT one.
>
> So, in spite of whatever differences of opinion are taking place on
> the
> ICG-D, let’s try not to kill each other over there, and let’s make
> sure that
> no matter what else happens, that the next 3 CC’s go as well as we
> hope they
> will.
>
> Karen and Ricky
>
>
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
>
>
> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
>
> ▪  Visit your group “runacc” on the web.
>
> ▪  To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>  runacc-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
> ▪  Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> Service.
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 1320 From: Stephanie Carrigg Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 295

From Nora,

> > We don’t want another runacc meeting or anything. some of you will
> be in
> > no
> > mood for more meetings I bet.
> Meetings are fine as long as they’re in the bar or the pool.

As long as there are LARGE, filled to the rim drinks that contain
copious amounts of booze at said meeting at said bar or pool.

🙂
Stephanie

On Mar 26, 2006, at 2:15 PM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> Inserted comments – Nora
> —– Original Message —–
> From: “Ricky & Karen Dick” <castleb@atlanticbb.net>
> > The CC forum isn’t up yet as the administrator is at a con this
> weekend.
> > They still do call them cons don’t they?
> > I mean I’m still takig in the part where we aren’t supposed to say
> > costuming
> > anymore LOL
> “differently-wardrobed”? Is that PC enough, as well as totally
> unclear.
>
> > We don’t want another runacc meeting or anything. some of you will
> be in
> > no
> > mood for more meetings I bet.
> Meetings are fine as long as they’re in the bar or the pool.
>
>
> > but we do have some fun things we’d like to do and will need the
> > envolvement
> > of others to make it happen.
> Fun things? Are we still allowed to do fun things? Wow, that would be
> so
> cool!
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
>
>
> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
>
> ▪  Visit your group “runacc” on the web.
>
> ▪  To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>  runacc-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
> ▪  Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> Service.
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 1321 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 3/26/2006
Subject: Drinking meetings

How about a bar by/at/in the pool? Best of all worlds.

Nora

—– Original Message —–
From: “Stephanie Carrigg” <bada.boom@comcast.net>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Digest Number 295

From Nora,
> > We don’t want another runacc meeting or anything. some of you will
> be in
> > no
> > mood for more meetings I bet.
> Meetings are fine as long as they’re in the bar or the pool.

As long as there are LARGE, filled to the rim drinks that contain
copious amounts of booze at said meeting at said bar or pool.

🙂
Stephanie

On Mar 26, 2006, at 2:15 PM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> Inserted comments – Nora
> —– Original Message —–
> From: “Ricky & Karen Dick” <castleb@atlanticbb.net>
> > The CC forum isn’t up yet as the administrator is at a con this
> weekend.
> > They still do call them cons don’t they?
> > I mean I’m still takig in the part where we aren’t supposed to say
> > costuming
> > anymore LOL
> “differently-wardrobed”? Is that PC enough, as well as totally
> unclear.
>
> > We don’t want another runacc meeting or anything. some of you will
> be in
> > no
> > mood for more meetings I bet.
> Meetings are fine as long as they’re in the bar or the pool.
>
>
> > but we do have some fun things we’d like to do and will need the
> > envolvement
> > of others to make it happen.
> Fun things? Are we still allowed to do fun things? Wow, that would be
> so
> cool!
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
>
>
> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
>
> ▪ Visit your group “runacc” on the web.
>
> ▪ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> runacc-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
> ▪ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> Service.
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 1322 From: Tina Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 295

I’ll go with that — make mine a mai tai or a daiquiri (a real one, not one of those stupid strawberry or banana things!).

Byron won’t be responding to anything until at least Thursday evening — he’s away at a college on Long Island, working with a Middle States Accreditation team visit.

Since I’m not on ICG-D, I only have a slight inkling of what’s been going on, but I gather that some poops have been trying to impose their (narrow-minded) visualization of the Cosmic All on everybody else. I’m definitely on the side of “fun” — if it wasn’t fun, I wouldn’t be doing it.

Tina

—– Original Message —–
From: Stephanie Carrigg<mailto:bada.boom@comcast.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Digest Number 295

From Nora,
> > We don’t want another runacc meeting or anything. some of you will
> be in
> > no
> > mood for more meetings I bet.
> Meetings are fine as long as they’re in the bar or the pool.

As long as there are LARGE, filled to the rim drinks that contain
copious amounts of booze at said meeting at said bar or pool.

🙂
Stephanie

On Mar 26, 2006, at 2:15 PM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> Inserted comments – Nora
> —– Original Message —–
> From: “Ricky & Karen Dick” <castleb@atlanticbb.net<mailto:castleb@atlanticbb.net>>
> > The CC forum isn’t up yet as the administrator is at a con this
> weekend.
> > They still do call them cons don’t they?
> > I mean I’m still takig in the part where we aren’t supposed to say
> > costuming
> > anymore LOL
> “differently-wardrobed”? Is that PC enough, as well as totally
> unclear.
>
> > We don’t want another runacc meeting or anything. some of you will
> be in
> > no
> > mood for more meetings I bet.
> Meetings are fine as long as they’re in the bar or the pool.
>
>
> > but we do have some fun things we’d like to do and will need the
> > envolvement
> > of others to make it happen.
> Fun things? Are we still allowed to do fun things? Wow, that would be
> so
> cool!
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/<http://www.costume-con.org/procedure/runacc/>
>
>
> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
>
> ▪ Visit your group “runacc” on the web.
>
> ▪ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> runacc-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com>
>
> ▪ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> Service.
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 1323 From: Elaine Mami Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: Re: Drinking meetings

I am SOOOO going to be at that meeting!

Elaine

Nil significat nisi oscillat!

>
>How about a bar by/at/in the pool? Best of all worlds.
>
>Nora

>
> From Nora,
> > > We don’t want another runacc meeting or anything. some of you will
> > be in
> > > no
> > > mood for more meetings I bet.
> > Meetings are fine as long as they’re in the bar or the pool.
>
>
>As long as there are LARGE, filled to the rim drinks that contain
>copious amounts of booze at said meeting at said bar or pool.
>
>:-)
>Stephanie
>
>On Mar 26, 2006, at 2:15 PM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1324 From: martingear Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: Re: Drinking meetings

If the pool is a hot tub, it works even better as the alcohol gets
absorbed quicker. (It sort of helps to have a sober lifeguard on duty tho.)
^M^

Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

>How about a bar by/at/in the pool? Best of all worlds.
>
>Nor
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1325 From: Kevin Roche Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: Re: Drinking meetings

If you can get me access to the bar supplies, don’t forget I throw a
mean cocktail shaker.

Vespers at vespers, anyone?

Or perhaps a shaker of Expanding Cosmos? (Although the ingredients for
those may be difficult to get at CC24… we can’t ship spirits in our
trunks 🙁 )

Is CC24 going to have a bar in the consuite?

Kevin

martingear wrote:

>If the pool is a hot tub, it works even better as the alcohol gets
>absorbed quicker. (It sort of helps to have a sober lifeguard on duty tho.)
>^M^
>
>
>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1326 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: Re: Drinking meetings

In a message dated 3/26/2006 10:58:40 PM Central Standard Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> How about a bar by/at/in the pool?

Oh, Schweet!
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1327 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: Re: Drinking meetings

In a message dated 3/27/2006 11:56:47 AM Central Standard Time,
kevin@twistedimage.com writes:

> If you can get me access to the bar supplies, don’t forget I throw a
> mean cocktail shaker.
>
> Vespers at vespers, anyone?
>
> Or perhaps a shaker of Expanding Cosmos? (Although the ingredients for
> those may be difficult to get at CC24… we can’t ship spirits in our
> trunks 🙁 )
>
> Is CC24 going to have a bar in the consuite?

Kevin, you silly person! These days, I bring such supplies with me! Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1328 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: Way OT – nowhere near the target (Re: [runacc] Drinking meetings)

I beg Karen & Ricky’s forgiveness.

Since their very nice letter about staying on target, there’s been an awful
lot of narfing about drinking- mostly my fault.

I’m sorry, it’s just nice to be able to let off steam & act silly given
what’s been going on….
…elsewhere.

I promise to stop talking about drinking. Unless it specifically relates to
a CC running topic.

Nora

—– Original Message —–
From: <osierhenry@cs.com>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Drinking meetings

> In a message dated 3/27/2006 11:56:47 AM Central Standard Time,
> kevin@twistedimage.com writes:
>> If you can get me access to the bar supplies, don’t forget I throw a
>> mean cocktail shaker.
>>
>> Vespers at vespers, anyone?
>>
>> Or perhaps a shaker of Expanding Cosmos? (Although the ingredients for
>> those may be difficult to get at CC24… we can’t ship spirits in our
>> trunks 🙁 )
>>
>> Is CC24 going to have a bar in the consuite?
> Kevin, you silly person! These days, I bring such supplies with me! Henry
>
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Group: runacc Message: 1329 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 3/27/2006
Subject: Re: Way OT – nowhere near the target (Re: [runacc] Drinking meeting

In a message dated 3/27/2006 6:10:30 PM Central Standard Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> I promise to stop talking about drinking. Unless it specifically relates to
>
> a CC running topic.

Um, how about this: I will be using Martinis to promote my bid, and the con
if I win.
Henry Osier
Chief Spy
CostumeCon 28 Bid in Milwaukee in 2010
e-mail CC2010Milw@cs.com for more information
or visit http://www.geocities.com/dandyhank/CC28Milwaukee2010.html

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Group: runacc Message: 1330 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: Drinking meetings

Kevin,

Yes – same as Demicon.

Sandy
At 11:55 AM 3/27/2006, you wrote:

>Or perhaps a shaker of Expanding Cosmos? (Although the ingredients for
>those may be difficult to get at CC24… we can’t ship spirits in our
>trunks 🙁 )
>Is CC24 going to have a bar in the consuite?
>Kevin

“Those Who Fail To Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly —
Why They Are Simply Doomed.

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C.Y. 4971

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Group: runacc Message: 1331 From: Kevin Roche Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: Drinking meetings

W00t!

Anybody up for a CC-runners meeting/Return of Martini Wars combo?
(I even promise to do some non-gin-based recipes this time)
Kevin

Pierre & Sandy Pettinger wrote:

>Kevin,
>
>Yes – same as Demicon.
>
>Sandy
>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1332 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Bringing us back from the bar for a moment…
Hi!

I know this sounds too good to be true, but I’m working on the photos
for the archives again.

Kevin’s inspired me.

So, I have discovered a problem with what I presently have in my hands.
Namely: I’m missing all of the historical photos from CC12. Does anyone
have a set I can borrow and scan, or a set that’s already electronic?

I’m going to do the ones I can, and move on to the next set I’ve got
electronically.

I also seem to be missing CC22’s electronic version of photos (and I
would have sworn up one side and down another that I received a disk or
a set of photos or both), but in trying to compile all the disks I still
had to go through, CC22 wasn’t there.

Anything I can do to avoid scanning I’ll do. I have to scan CC1 (the
images I have on the site are not photos but video snaps and they’re
dreadful).

If you can help with either of these gaps in my collection, I’d very
much appreciate it. I’ve got other ways to get the images if I can’t
deal with actual photos, but the video snaps are much lower quality in
many cases (even on a DVD, the image is reduced by the abilities of the
camera, and many white or shiny costumes are complete washouts as a result).

I’m working my way through CC12 because it’s sitting on my computer
taking up space. I have CC21 and 23 on disk, so there’s no worries there.

And I have a black and white “memory book” from CC20, which I’m going to
use for the purposes of grabbing temporary images, since video snaps
take a LOT more time. (And my DVD-ROM doesn’t like the Archive DVDs – I
can’t see the menu, and can’t start the video as a result, so I’ll have
to rig something else to get the images, or use a different computer or
DVD player.)

AHH – Katie just dumped water all over herself. And folks wonder why
this job is taking so long!!!

-b


Betsy Delaney
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Group: runacc Message: 1333 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 297
Nora and all,
Trust me, I would MUCH rather talk about drinking.

especially when the choice is drinking with you folks, or dealing with stuff
on another list.

I find it sad/funny/reassuring?
that so many people on this list have a very good relationship with the
bottle LOL.
I wonder if it was so, BEFORE we all got this involved with the hobby;-)

Ricky

 

Group: runacc Message: 1334 From: Karen Heim Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 297

On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 12:48:41 -0500
“Ricky & Karen Dick” <castleb@atlanticbb.net> wrote:

> Nora and all,
> Trust me, I would MUCH rather talk about drinking.

I would rather *be* drinking, not talking about it.

>
> especially when the choice is drinking with you folks,
>or dealing with stuff
> on another list.

. . . which drives you to drink. But, in comparison with
other conventions I attend, CC has very little drinking
going on.

>
> I find it sad/funny/reassuring?
> that so many people on this list have a very good
>relationship with the
> bottle LOL.
> I wonder if it was so, BEFORE we all got this involved
>with the hobby;-)
>

I certainly did.

A few years ago here we had a series of parties that
featured a particular type of alcohol, and had a
historical theme appropriate to the alcohol (such as the
Bay of Pigs crisis for the rum party, and Khruschev
visiting the US for the vodka party). Everyone dressed
appropriately for the period, the food went with the theme
– it was a fun time.

See, there’s the catch – costuming drives us to drink, and
drinking inspires us to costume! It’s a vicious circle.

Karen

 

Group: runacc Message: 1335 From: bada.boom@comcast.net Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 297
Nothing like having costumes that match your drinks!

Ricky I think we need a Castle Blood punch..
I’m sure I can come up with something..

Stephie

————– Original message ————–
From: “Ricky & Karen Dick” <castleb@atlanticbb.net>
Nora and all,
Trust me, I would MUCH rather talk about drinking.

especially when the choice is drinking with you folks, or dealing with stuff
on another list.

I find it sad/funny/reassuring?
that so many people on this list have a very good relationship with the
bottle LOL.
I wonder if it was so, BEFORE we all got this involved with the hobby;-)

Ricky

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Group: runacc Message: 1336 From: Trudy Leonard Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: Bringing us back from the bar for a moment…

Betsy –

I have an inquiry in with Vickie as to whether or not we ever donated a set
of prints to the Archives or not, and, if not, could we do so now. She is
checking to see if they still are able to send you a set if it turns out
that we did not do so at the time of the Con. I have the original prints
and could probably scan those for you.

Trudy

>From: Betsy Delaney <bdelaney@hawkeswood.com>
>Reply-To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
>To: Run a Costume-Con Mailing List <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [runacc] Bringing us back from the bar for a moment…
>Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:22:32 -0500
>
>Hi!
>
>I know this sounds too good to be true, but I’m working on the photos
>for the archives again.
>
>Kevin’s inspired me.
>
>So, I have discovered a problem with what I presently have in my hands.
>Namely: I’m missing all of the historical photos from CC12. Does anyone
>have a set I can borrow and scan, or a set that’s already electronic?
>
>I’m going to do the ones I can, and move on to the next set I’ve got
>electronically.
>
>I also seem to be missing CC22’s electronic version of photos (and I
>would have sworn up one side and down another that I received a disk or
>a set of photos or both), but in trying to compile all the disks I still
>had to go through, CC22 wasn’t there.
>
>Anything I can do to avoid scanning I’ll do. I have to scan CC1 (the
>images I have on the site are not photos but video snaps and they’re
>dreadful).
>
>If you can help with either of these gaps in my collection, I’d very
>much appreciate it. I’ve got other ways to get the images if I can’t
>deal with actual photos, but the video snaps are much lower quality in
>many cases (even on a DVD, the image is reduced by the abilities of the
>camera, and many white or shiny costumes are complete washouts as a
>result).
>
>I’m working my way through CC12 because it’s sitting on my computer
>taking up space. I have CC21 and 23 on disk, so there’s no worries there.
>
>And I have a black and white “memory book” from CC20, which I’m going to
>use for the purposes of grabbing temporary images, since video snaps
>take a LOT more time. (And my DVD-ROM doesn’t like the Archive DVDs – I
>can’t see the menu, and can’t start the video as a result, so I’ll have
>to rig something else to get the images, or use a different computer or
>DVD player.)
>
>AHH – Katie just dumped water all over herself. And folks wonder why
>this job is taking so long!!!
>
>-b
>–
>–
>Betsy Delaney
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Group: runacc Message: 1337 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: Bringing us back from the bar for a moment…

Update:

I found the photos from CC22. I still think there might have been a disk
involved, but if I have to scan the photos I can. It’s going to wait
until I have the electronic ones done first, though.

Thanks!

Betsy

Betsy Delaney wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I know this sounds too good to be true, but I’m working on the photos
> for the archives again.
>
> Kevin’s inspired me.
>
> So, I have discovered a problem with what I presently have in my hands.
> Namely: I’m missing all of the historical photos from CC12. Does anyone
> have a set I can borrow and scan, or a set that’s already electronic?
>
> I’m going to do the ones I can, and move on to the next set I’ve got
> electronically.
>
> I also seem to be missing CC22’s electronic version of photos (and I
> would have sworn up one side and down another that I received a disk or
> a set of photos or both), but in trying to compile all the disks I still
> had to go through, CC22 wasn’t there.
>
> Anything I can do to avoid scanning I’ll do. I have to scan CC1 (the
> images I have on the site are not photos but video snaps and they’re
> dreadful).
>
> If you can help with either of these gaps in my collection, I’d very
> much appreciate it. I’ve got other ways to get the images if I can’t
> deal with actual photos, but the video snaps are much lower quality in
> many cases (even on a DVD, the image is reduced by the abilities of the
> camera, and many white or shiny costumes are complete washouts as a result).
>
> I’m working my way through CC12 because it’s sitting on my computer
> taking up space. I have CC21 and 23 on disk, so there’s no worries there.
>
> And I have a black and white “memory book” from CC20, which I’m going to
> use for the purposes of grabbing temporary images, since video snaps
> take a LOT more time. (And my DVD-ROM doesn’t like the Archive DVDs – I
> can’t see the menu, and can’t start the video as a result, so I’ll have
> to rig something else to get the images, or use a different computer or
> DVD player.)
>
> AHH – Katie just dumped water all over herself. And folks wonder why
> this job is taking so long!!!
>
> -b



Betsy Delaney
*************************************************************************
http://www.hawkeswood.com/ * http://www.OutOftheBlackBox.org/
http://www.BarkingMad.org/ * http://www.sickpups.org/
http://www.Costume-Con.org/ * http://www.SchoolWithoutWalls.org/
*************************************************************************

 

Group: runacc Message: 1338 From: Elaine Mami Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 297

Something red, perhaps, with little pickled onions in them. <<slurp>>
(Sorry, Boss)

Elaine

Nil significat nisi oscillat!

>
>Nothing like having costumes that match your drinks!
>
>Ricky I think we need a Castle Blood punch..
>I’m sure I can come up with something..
>
>Stephie

 

Group: runacc Message: 1339 From: bruno Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 297

I was surprised at how much drinking there was at CC23. There seemed to be much more going on, than at previous CC’s (19, 17, 16). So I didn’t come prepared. I’ll be prepared for CC24 🙂

Michael

> ——-Original Message——-
> From: Karen Heim <axejudge@accessus.net>

> > especially when the choice is drinking with you folks,
> >or dealing with stuff
> > on another list.
>
> . . . which drives you to drink.  But, in comparison with
> other conventions I attend, CC has very little drinking
> going on.
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1340 From: Elaine Mami Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: drinking at CCs

To keep this related to costuming – drinking IN the pool or hot tub greatly
reduces the chance of ruining your costume with those nasty alcohol stains.

YMMV,

Elaine

Nil significat nisi oscillat!

>I was surprised at how much drinking there was at CC23. There seemed to be
>much more going on, than at previous CC’s (19, 17, 16). So I didn’t come
>prepared. I’ll be prepared for CC24 🙂
>
>
>Michael
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1341 From: bruno Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 297

I’d suggest a Blood Shot. In a shot glass, pour 2/3 Chambord, 1/3 Vampire Vodka. Makes a nice dark red drink. The Chambord takes the edge of the vodka. Warning, it does stain.

http://vampire.com/vampyre/index.html

Michael

> ——-Original Message——-
> From: bada.boom@comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [runacc] Digest Number 297
> Sent: 28 Mar ’06 18:07
>
> Nothing like having costumes that match your drinks!
>
> Ricky I think we need a Castle Blood punch..
> I’m sure I can come up with something..
>
> Stephie
>
>
> ————– Original message ————–
> From: “Ricky & Karen Dick” <castleb@atlanticbb.net>
> Nora and all,
> Trust me, I would MUCH rather talk about drinking.
>
> especially when the choice is drinking with you folks, or dealing with stuff
> on another list.
>
> I find it sad/funny/reassuring?
> that so many people on this list have a very good relationship with the
> bottle LOL.
> I wonder if it was so, BEFORE we all got this involved with the hobby;-)
>
> Ricky
>
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Group: runacc Message: 1342 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 297

On Mar 28, 2006, at 10:01 AM, Karen Heim wrote:

> On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 12:48:41 -0500
> “Ricky & Karen Dick” <castleb@atlanticbb.net> wrote:
>> Nora and all,
>> Trust me, I would MUCH rather talk about drinking.
>
> I would rather *be* drinking, not talking about it.

I think we’re going to use shipping to conserve weight in our Des
Moines luggage and make space for a few bottles and each do a carry-on
4-box of bottles.

Definitely in the mix is
Wasabi Vodka (it’s very green, and it will blow the back of your head
off)
“Qi” Lapsang Souchong Tea LIqueur (good if there’s a Tibetan Panel Coat
reunion)
“Junipero” gin for Henry


andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen
http://www.bovil.com/
“It’s not pink; it’s peach-colored. Pink is tacky.” –Manfred Pfirsich
Marie Rommel

 

Group: runacc Message: 1343 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: Drinking meetings

In a message dated 3/28/2006 12:30:05 AM Central Standard Time,
kevin@twistedimage.com writes:

>
> Anybody up for a CC-runners meeting/Return of Martini Wars combo?

I mix a mean martini! Kevin, let me know what you will need. I’m driving in!
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1344 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 297

In a message dated 3/28/2006 2:28:40 PM Central Standard Time,
attrembl@bovil.com writes:

> I think we’re going to use shipping to conserve weight in our Des
> Moines luggage and make space for a few bottles and each do a carry-on
> 4-box of bottles.

Andy,
I’ll bring that good California vermouth, and get a bottle of Lillet.
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1345 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 297

In a message dated 3/28/2006 1:19:12 PM Central Standard Time,
ecmami@hotmail.com writes:

> Something red, perhaps, with little pickled onions in them.

I have a plethora of cocktail onions! I’ll bring them!
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1346 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: drinking at CCs
And if anyone needs any recipesfro anything odd, let me know. I find
cocktail books irresistible – the pictures are so colorful.
May I also refer you all to Modern Drunkard magazine – it’s a lifestyle.

Nora

 

Group: runacc Message: 1347 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: drinking at CCs

I guess if we were actually smart, while we still don’t want a real meeting, I think a friday morning drink athon instead of the ICG meeting would work well.

WHAT!?!, you’re all thinkin it, I’m just sayin it LOL

Ricky

—– Original Message —–
From: Bruce & Nora Mai
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] drinking at CCs

And if anyone needs any recipesfro anything odd, let me know. I find
cocktail books irresistible – the pictures are so colorful.
May I also refer you all to Modern Drunkard magazine – it’s a lifestyle.

Nora

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Group: runacc Message: 1348 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 297
AAACCKK , c’mon guys, don’t gay up alchoholism would ya 😉
(Please don’t be offended, it’s a real phrase right? I mean, I think I heard it at the republican convention once LOL)

There’s gotta be some local DesMoines Bilge water Beer we can find.

Ricky

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Group: runacc Message: 1349 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: Digest Number 297

On Mar 28, 2006, at 5:01 PM, Ricky & Karen Dick wrote:

> There’s gotta be some local DesMoines Bilge water Beer we can find.

There’s a microbrewery right next to the Hotel Fort Des Moines.
Bilgewater it ain’t.

I’m not sure you’re butch enough to drink the Wasabi Vodka, though.


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Group: runacc Message: 1350 From: Tina Date: 3/28/2006
Subject: Re: drinking at CCs

This is certainly proving to be a popular (and entertaining, in both senses of the word) topic. May I introduce a drink that we invented many years ago, when we used to really party: the Rhonda. It was named for a friend of ours, an attractive redhead. Take equal parts of rum, vodka and blue curacao; 1/2 oz. of each equals the standard jigger, but we used to mix them a bit stronger than that and mixed them by the pitcherful. Place in a tall glass (or pitcher, if mixing in quantity), add some ice, and then top up with lemonade. Tastes absolutely harmless, but they’re sneaky if one goes by the taste and laps up a couple in quick succession. (Reminds me of my mother’s story about how one of my uncles got her blitzed on grasshoppers when she was 16.) Rhondas used to be very popular back when we used to throw house parties. They also look really neat in a wineglass. I used to drink them at cons before the East Coast cons went dry and, when asked what I was drinking, would say “I’m drinking sapphire wine.” Sometimes people would get it.

The Chambord & vodka sounds good, but I have a bottle of Cherry Kijafa downstairs calling to me, and I think I’m going to go down now and see how well that works in a cocktail. For a red drink, there’s also the bottled pomegranate juice (Pom) that is out in the supermarkets. It looks like we could have a lot of fun developing a Castle Blood cocktail with red stuff. Or green stuff. Whatever. Lichees might work if the onions didn’t taste right. Start thinking of good names for it/them.

Tina

—– Original Message —–
From: Bruce & Nora Mai<mailto:casamai@sbcglobal.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] drinking at CCs

And if anyone needs any recipes fro anything odd, let me know. I find
cocktail books irresistible – the pictures are so colorful.
May I also refer you all to Modern Drunkard magazine – it’s a lifestyle.

Nora

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Group: runacc Message: 1251 From: John O’Halloran Date: 10/5/2005
Subject: Re: Costume-Con 26 is in business!
Group: runacc Message: 1252 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 10/12/2005
Subject: that whole electronic folio thing again…
Group: runacc Message: 1253 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 10/17/2005
Subject: Fashion Folios
Group: runacc Message: 1254 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 10/18/2005
Subject: Re: Fashion Folios
Group: runacc Message: 1255 From: Byron Connell Date: 10/18/2005
Subject: Re: Fashion Folios
Group: runacc Message: 1256 From: Bruce Mai Date: 10/19/2005
Subject: Re: Fashion Folios
Group: runacc Message: 1257 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 10/19/2005
Subject: Re: Fashion Folios
Group: runacc Message: 1258 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 10/20/2005
Subject: Re: Fashion Folios
Group: runacc Message: 1259 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 10/20/2005
Subject: Re: Fashion Folios
Group: runacc Message: 1260 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 10/20/2005
Subject: Re: Fashion Folios
Group: runacc Message: 1261 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 10/21/2005
Subject: Re: Fashion Folios
Group: runacc Message: 1262 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 10/21/2005
Subject: Re: Fashion Folios
Group: runacc Message: 1263 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 10/26/2005
Subject: Budget files/spreadsheets
Group: runacc Message: 1264 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 10/27/2005
Subject: Re: Budget files/spreadsheets
Group: runacc Message: 1265 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 10/30/2005
Subject: A CC25 grant?
Group: runacc Message: 1266 From: Karen Heim Date: 10/30/2005
Subject: Re: A CC25 grant?
Group: runacc Message: 1267 From: Byron Connell Date: 10/30/2005
Subject: Re: A CC25 grant?
Group: runacc Message: 1268 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 10/30/2005
Subject: Re: A CC25 grant?
Group: runacc Message: 1269 From: Elaine Mami Date: 10/30/2005
Subject: Re: A CC25 grant?
Group: runacc Message: 1270 From: Charles Date: 10/30/2005
Subject: Re: A CC25 grant?
Group: runacc Message: 1271 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 10/31/2005
Subject: Re: A CC25 grant?
Group: runacc Message: 1272 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 10/31/2005
Subject: Re: A CC25 grant?
Group: runacc Message: 1273 From: Charles Date: 11/1/2005
Subject: Re: A CC25 grant?
Group: runacc Message: 1274 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 11/1/2005
Subject: Re: A CC25 grant?
Group: runacc Message: 1275 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 11/4/2005
Subject: Re: A CC25 grant?
Group: runacc Message: 1276 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 11/4/2005
Subject: Re: A CC25 grant?
Group: runacc Message: 1277 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 11/4/2005
Subject: Re: A CC25 grant?
Group: runacc Message: 1278 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 11/6/2005
Subject: Re: A CC25 grant?
Group: runacc Message: 1279 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 11/6/2005
Subject: Re: A CC25 grant? – Who decides?
Group: runacc Message: 1280 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 11/6/2005
Subject: Re: A CC25 grant? – Who decides?
Group: runacc Message: 1281 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 11/6/2005
Subject: Re: A CC25 grant? – Who decides?
Group: runacc Message: 1282 From: Elaine Mami Date: 11/7/2005
Subject: Re: A CC25 grant? – Who decides?
Group: runacc Message: 1283 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 11/7/2005
Subject: Re: A CC25 grant? – Who decides?
Group: runacc Message: 1284 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 11/7/2005
Subject: Re: A CC25 grant? – Who decides?
Group: runacc Message: 1285 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 12/3/2005
Subject: Releases…
Group: runacc Message: 1286 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 12/3/2005
Subject: Re: Releases…
Group: runacc Message: 1287 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 1/1/2006
Subject: CC24 PR
Group: runacc Message: 1288 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 1/2/2006
Subject: Re: CC24 PR
Group: runacc Message: 1289 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 1/3/2006
Subject: Re: CC24 PR – weapons policy
Group: runacc Message: 1290 From: bruno Date: 1/3/2006
Subject: Re: CC24 PR – weapons policy
Group: runacc Message: 1291 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 1/3/2006
Subject: Re: CC24 PR – weapons policy
Group: runacc Message: 1292 From: Elaine Mami Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: Re: CC24 PR – weapons policy
Group: runacc Message: 1293 From: srabba Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: Re: CC24 PR
Group: runacc Message: 1294 From: Elaine Mami Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: Re: CC24 PR
Group: runacc Message: 1295 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: Re: CC24 PR
Group: runacc Message: 1296 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: Re: CC24 PR
Group: runacc Message: 1297 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 1/14/2006
Subject: Educatinal materials
Group: runacc Message: 1298 From: Elaine Mami Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: Educatinal materials
Group: runacc Message: 1299 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: Educatinal materials
Group: runacc Message: 1300 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: Educatinal materials

 


 

Group: runacc Message: 1251 From: John O’Halloran Date: 10/5/2005
Subject: Re: Costume-Con 26 is in business!

And there was much rejoicing!!!!!

Kevin Roche wrote:

> Just a quick update for folks who’ve been wondering.
>
> Today we surmounted the final paperwork hurdle and successfully opened
> the CC26 bank account.
>
> So to the 51 people who sent in voting fees — they are now happily
> deposited.

 

Group: runacc Message: 1252 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 10/12/2005
Subject: that whole electronic folio thing again…
‘k, it’s come up again.

I’m not going to rant about crazymakers who run fleeing everytime
“internet” is mentioned. I am going to say I like the idea of having
convention documents available electronically.

Various comments and suggestions have been floated.

I think printed copies of doc must be available, and should be the
default delivery method for pre-registered members. I think that it’s
worthwhile to have an “opt-out” registration option where a member
could request digital copies only, thus (in theory) cutting the
production budget.

I’m not so sure that advance materials need to be available in print
for at-con registrations. How many committees ended up with tons of
extra print materials at the end of the weekend? A limited number of
print copies and a greater volume of CDs of advance materials may be
more cost-effective.

That requires rules and waivers that specify electronic distribution.

A combined print/digital program book may also be a good cost-saving
option. The print program doesn’t have to be as large, and only
contains information vital to getting through the weekend (“welcome,”
schedule, rules, paid print ads, Con-Stitution if required to be in
print) and the included CD has everything else (all print material plus
bios, paid electronic ads, perhaps a retrospective from the previous
year’s convention, supplemental documents). WorldCon in Glasgow did
this to mixed effect; their choices of things to include in print were
a bit strange.


Andy Trembley, Bull-in-Drag
The Bovine Illuminati (It’s the Cows, Inc.)
http://www.bovil.com/
Moo!

 

Group: runacc Message: 1253 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 10/17/2005
Subject: Fashion Folios
Sandy sent a note to Nora for CC25’s Fashion Folio, but I thought I’d
repeat a few of her points here. (Actually they’re my points since
I’m the one who’s been bitching about it.)

First, many designers seem incapable of following directions. Our
rules need to emphasize in large, bold, and capital letters that all
designs must be submitted in BLACK and WHITE LINE ART! We received a
lot of designs that didn’t follow this rule. Some came in blue ink.
Some submitted only color versions. A few submitted black and whites;
but they were photocopies of the colored versions so, of course, were
totally unsuitable for reproduction.

We need, apparently, to emphasize that designs must be on plain
white paper. We received an envelope of designs all on lined paper.

We need to make a change in the rules regarding descriptions.
Normally we’ve always asked for the descriptions on the back of the
designs. However, especially with a lot of people using computers to
print their descriptions, we got a lot of bleed through when we were
scanning designs. (this last is not a case of not following
directions, of course, but a case of changing the directions. 0

I’m having to re-trace a lot of the designs that were selected. Since
the submittal rate was smaller than we would have liked we didn’t
feel we could disqualify anything because of these failures.

The couple of people who submitted designs on disk were great! We
could easily copy the files directly to my holding file. Most of the
folks who did this had a single file with descriptions. So long as it
is easy to correlate descriptions with designs, this works well.

We also may want to emphasize including titles and descriptions with
designs (and note that we also note to refrain from notes and little
arrows on the front of the designs.) We’re beginning to get entries
from fashion design students, which is great, but they have a
different set of conventions then we do and we need to guide them.

Anyone have any comments?

Pierre

“Those Who Fail To Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly —
Why They Are Simply Doomed.

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C.Y. 4971

Andromeda

 

Group: runacc Message: 1254 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 10/18/2005
Subject: Re: Fashion Folios

I agree with all of your comments.

We had the same issues with submissions for the Folio last year.

I definitely think it is time to break the descriptions out onto a second
piece of paper. However, it should be one description per sheet, especially
for judging purposes–the drawing and description need to be together, and
having a stack of drawings and one sheet with all the descriptions doesn’t
work. (We ended up photocopying the multi-description sheet, cutting it
apart, and paper-clipping the individual descriptions to the drawings.)

Obviously, all the variances from the rules that you describe make things
harder for the director, the judges, and the Folio layout person.
Sometimes, you just roll with it and “tweak” things; sometimes, it becomes
an irritating amount of additional work. Unfortunately, the number of
submissions has been so low lately that doing disqualifications would
really hurt the competition.

Fran Evans thinks it might be helpful if we have a “sample” submission that
potential entrants can look at in addition to the written rules. (She
mentioned this to me last year.) Some people are more visually oriented and
will “get” the directions if they can see a demonstration.

I also have to comment, though, that every issue you mention has been an
issue for a long time…we’ve had to “tweak” artwork for the Folio since
Costume-Con 1 (re-drawing, re-shading, whiting out construction notes and
arrows, making up titles and descriptions for designs that have none,
etc.). So I think it’s an ongoing issue, not a recent one.

–Karen

At 04:48 PM 10/17/2005 -0500, you wrote:

>Sandy sent a note to Nora for CC25’s Fashion Folio, but I thought I’d
>repeat a few of her points here. (Actually they’re my points since
>I’m the one who’s been bitching about it.)
>
>First, many designers seem incapable of following directions. Our
>rules need to emphasize in large, bold, and capital letters that all
>designs must be submitted in BLACK and WHITE LINE ART! We received a
>lot of designs that didn’t follow this rule. Some came in blue ink.
>Some submitted only color versions. A few submitted black and whites;
>but they were photocopies of the colored versions so, of course, were
>totally unsuitable for reproduction.
>
>We need, apparently, to emphasize that designs must be on plain
>white paper. We received an envelope of designs all on lined paper.
>
>We need to make a change in the rules regarding descriptions.
>Normally we’ve always asked for the descriptions on the back of the
>designs. However, especially with a lot of people using computers to
>print their descriptions, we got a lot of bleed through when we were
>scanning designs. (this last is not a case of not following
>directions, of course, but a case of changing the directions. 0
>
>I’m having to re-trace a lot of the designs that were selected. Since
>the submittal rate was smaller than we would have liked we didn’t
>feel we could disqualify anything because of these failures.
>
>The couple of people who submitted designs on disk were great! We
>could easily copy the files directly to my holding file. Most of the
>folks who did this had a single file with descriptions. So long as it
>is easy to correlate descriptions with designs, this works well.
>
>We also may want to emphasize including titles and descriptions with
>designs (and note that we also note to refrain from notes and little
>arrows on the front of the designs.) We’re beginning to get entries
>from fashion design students, which is great, but they have a
>different set of conventions then we do and we need to guide them.
>
>Anyone have any comments?
>
>Pierre
>
>
>”Those Who Fail To Learn History
>Are Doomed to Repeat It;
>Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly —
>Why They Are Simply Doomed.
>
>Achemdro’hm
>”The Illusion of Historical Fact”
> — C.Y. 4971
>
>Andromeda
>
>
>
>
>
>View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1255 From: Byron Connell Date: 10/18/2005
Subject: Re: Fashion Folios

I think that’s an excellent idea!

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: Ricky & Karen Dick<mailto:castleb@pulsenet.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 12:27 AM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Fashion Folios

Fran Evans thinks it might be helpful if we have a “sample” submission that
potential entrants can look at in addition to the written rules. (She
mentioned this to me last year.) Some people are more visually oriented and
will “get” the directions if they can see a demonstration.

–Karen

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 1256 From: Bruce Mai Date: 10/19/2005
Subject: Re: Fashion Folios

We’re working on re-designing some elements of the CC25 website & I think
I’ll include that, soudns like a good idea to me.
Do you think the web “sample” is sufficient? We would also include
directions to that sample on our flyers, but I feel like putting them on the
flyer would take up too much space.

Nora

—– Original Message —–
From: “Byron Connell” <bpconnell@verizon.net>
>I think that’s an excellent idea!
> —– Original Message —–
> From: Ricky & Karen Dick<mailto:castleb@pulsenet.com>
> Fran Evans thinks it might be helpful if we have a “sample” submission
> that
> potential entrants can look at in addition to the written rules. (She
> mentioned this to me last year.) Some people are more visually oriented
> and
> will “get” the directions if they can see a demonstration.

 

Group: runacc Message: 1257 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 10/19/2005
Subject: Re: Fashion Folios

At 09:47 PM 10/18/2005, you wrote:

I agree.

Pierre

>I think that’s an excellent idea!
>
>Byron
>
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: Ricky & Karen Dick<mailto:castleb@pulsenet.com>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 12:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [runacc] Fashion Folios
>
>
> Fran Evans thinks it might be helpful if we have a “sample”
> submission that
> potential entrants can look at in addition to the written rules. (She
> mentioned this to me last year.) Some people are more visually
> oriented and
> will “get” the directions if they can see a demonstration.
>
>
> –Karen

“Those Who Fail To Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly —
Why They Are Simply Doomed.

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C.Y. 4971

Andromeda

 

Group: runacc Message: 1258 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 10/20/2005
Subject: Re: Fashion Folios

At 11:27 PM 10/17/2005, you wrote:

>I agree with all of your comments.
>
>We had the same issues with submissions for the Folio last year.
>
>I definitely think it is time to break the descriptions out onto a second
>piece of paper. However, it should be one description per sheet, especially
>for judging purposes–the drawing and description need to be together, and
>having a stack of drawings and one sheet with all the descriptions doesn’t
>work. (We ended up photocopying the multi-description sheet, cutting it
>apart, and paper-clipping the individual descriptions to the drawings.)
>
>Obviously, all the variances from the rules that you describe make things
>harder for the director, the judges, and the Folio layout person.
>Sometimes, you just roll with it and “tweak” things; sometimes, it becomes
>an irritating amount of additional work. Unfortunately, the number of
>submissions has been so low lately that doing disqualifications would
>really hurt the competition.
>
>Fran Evans thinks it might be helpful if we have a “sample” submission that
>potential entrants can look at in addition to the written rules. (She
>mentioned this to me last year.) Some people are more visually oriented and
>will “get” the directions if they can see a demonstration.
>
>I also have to comment, though, that every issue you mention has been an
>issue for a long time…we’ve had to “tweak” artwork for the Folio since
>Costume-Con 1 (re-drawing, re-shading, whiting out construction notes and
>arrows, making up titles and descriptions for designs that have none,
>etc.). So I think it’s an ongoing issue, not a recent one.

Oh, of course. But it certainly seemed much worse this year compared
to the other years we’ve been involved in the Folio creation (CC10
and CC21.) It could be I’m just mis-remembering, but …..

Pierre

>–Karen

“Those Who Fail To Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly —
Why They Are Simply Doomed.

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C.Y. 4971

Andromeda

 

Group: runacc Message: 1259 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 10/20/2005
Subject: Re: Fashion Folios

On Oct 19, 2005, at 2:46 PM, Pierre & Sandy Pettinger wrote:

> Oh, of course. But it certainly seemed much worse this year compared
> to the other years we’ve been involved in the Folio creation (CC10
> and CC21.) It could be I’m just mis-remembering, but …..

I think this falls back to one big thing.

The CC archives on the web have no folio design entries. Yes, they have
show photos, but that’s very different. The only examples we have are
the plates up on Cat’s website, and while that’s great, it’s not our
website.


andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
San Jose, CA – ’72 R75/5 ’86 R100 (mine) – ’92 K75sa ’03 R1150R
(Kevin’s)
…remaining .sig trimmed for better message/.sig ratio

 

Group: runacc Message: 1260 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 10/20/2005
Subject: Re: Fashion Folios

Hi!

Karen was working to get permission to publish retroactively from the
designers in the folios, but this is very tough work. A lot of the
designers aren’t reachable by any useful means, and some are ADAMANT
that their designs not be reproduced. Even at 72dpi, the images may
still be reproduced elsewhere. I get email all the time (especially
during Halloween) asking where this costume or that is available to
purchase.

While I’ve taken considerable liberty in publishing the photos of the
costumes, I can’t do that with the folios.

And then there’s the scanning/editing time.

I’m working on catching up the site (photos only), but believe me,
watching Katie is a full-time job, unlike Erin was. She’s not content to
sit and play with toys. She’s very good mechanically and much stronger
than her sister was at this age. Translation? I get 15 minutes, tops, at
the computer per session before I’m interrupted and have to stop her
from doing something detrimental to herself or my stuff.

I don’t even have the time right now to shift the job to someone else.

I can take comfort in knowing that this will change in another year or
so, but until she goes off to preschool (Sept, 2007 unless I get her
into a full-time program, and that would mean I’ve gotten a day job),
I’m stuck.

Frustrated in Maryland
(aka Betsy)

Andrew T Trembley wrote:

> On Oct 19, 2005, at 2:46 PM, Pierre & Sandy Pettinger wrote:
>
>>Oh, of course. But it certainly seemed much worse this year compared
>>to the other years we’ve been involved in the Folio creation (CC10
>>and CC21.) It could be I’m just mis-remembering, but …..
>
>
> I think this falls back to one big thing.
>
> The CC archives on the web have no folio design entries. Yes, they have
> show photos, but that’s very different. The only examples we have are
> the plates up on Cat’s website, and while that’s great, it’s not our
> website.
>



Betsy Delaney
*************************************************************************
http://www.hawkeswood.com/ * http://www.OutOftheBlackBox.org/
http://www.BarkingMad.org/ * http://www.sickpups.org/
http://www.Costume-Con.org/ * http://www.SchoolWithoutWalls.org/
*************************************************************************

 

Group: runacc Message: 1261 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 10/21/2005
Subject: Re: Fashion Folios

At 04:13 PM 10/20/2005, you wrote:

>Hi!
>
>Karen was working to get permission to publish retroactively from the
>designers in the folios, but this is very tough work. A lot of the
>designers aren’t reachable by any useful means, and some are ADAMANT
>that their designs not be reproduced. Even at 72dpi, the images may
>still be reproduced elsewhere. I get email all the time (especially
>during Halloween) asking where this costume or that is available to
>purchase.

Betsy,

I think I’ve mentioned this before. However, when and if you do get
around to it, you have our permission to use any of our design
drawings. If you need something officially signed, send it along when needed.

Pierre

>While I’ve taken considerable liberty in publishing the photos of the
>costumes, I can’t do that with the folios.
>
>And then there’s the scanning/editing time.
>
>I’m working on catching up the site (photos only), but believe me,
>watching Katie is a full-time job, unlike Erin was. She’s not content to
>sit and play with toys. She’s very good mechanically and much stronger
>than her sister was at this age. Translation? I get 15 minutes, tops, at
>the computer per session before I’m interrupted and have to stop her
>from doing something detrimental to herself or my stuff.
>
>I don’t even have the time right now to shift the job to someone else.
>
>I can take comfort in knowing that this will change in another year or
>so, but until she goes off to preschool (Sept, 2007 unless I get her
>into a full-time program, and that would mean I’ve gotten a day job),
>I’m stuck.
>
>Frustrated in Maryland
>(aka Betsy)
>
>Andrew T Trembley wrote:
> > On Oct 19, 2005, at 2:46 PM, Pierre & Sandy Pettinger wrote:
> >
> >>Oh, of course. But it certainly seemed much worse this year compared
> >>to the other years we’ve been involved in the Folio creation (CC10
> >>and CC21.) It could be I’m just mis-remembering, but …..
> >
> >
> > I think this falls back to one big thing.
> >
> > The CC archives on the web have no folio design entries. Yes, they have
> > show photos, but that’s very different. The only examples we have are
> > the plates up on Cat’s website, and while that’s great, it’s not our
> > website.
> >
>Betsy Delaney

“Those Who Fail To Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly —
Why They Are Simply Doomed.

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C.Y. 4971

Andromeda

 

Group: runacc Message: 1262 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 10/21/2005
Subject: Re: Fashion Folios

Yep! I think I knew that. I got a short list from Karen a while ago,
when she was working actively on the project last, but it’s buried
somewhere in my email. I’m right there with you. (I was prolific for a
solid five years before I burned out on the line art.)

Thanks!

Betsy

Pierre & Sandy Pettinger wrote:

> Betsy,
>
> I think I’ve mentioned this before. However, when and if you do get
> around to it, you have our permission to use any of our design
> drawings. If you need something officially signed, send it along when needed.
>
> Pierre



Betsy Delaney
*************************************************************************
http://www.hawkeswood.com/ * http://www.OutOftheBlackBox.org/
http://www.BarkingMad.org/ * http://www.sickpups.org/
http://www.Costume-Con.org/ * http://www.SchoolWithoutWalls.org/
*************************************************************************

 

Group: runacc Message: 1263 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 10/26/2005
Subject: Budget files/spreadsheets
Big favor…

CC26 is looking for past CC financial records to help us flesh out our
budget planning process. I know Betsy has the CC15 budget posted on
costume-con.org, but that’s a decade ago so the numbers are only going
to remotely apply.

Any of you willing to email me copies of records so we can make sure
that our forecasts are sane?


andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
San Jose, CA – ’72 R75/5 ’86 R100 (mine) – ’92 K75sa ’03 R1150R
(Kevin’s)
“It’s not pink, it’s peach-colored. Pink is tacky.”
–Manfred Pfirsich Marie Rommel

2nd most important safety device on my bike: the one beneath my right
hand
Most important safety device on my bike: the one inside my helmet

 

Group: runacc Message: 1264 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 10/27/2005
Subject: Re: Budget files/spreadsheets

We don’t have a whole lot, and what we do have would be not much different
than Betsy’s

Bruce

—– Original Message —–
From: “Andrew T Trembley” <attrembl@bovil.com>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: “Lisa Deutsch Harrigan” <lisa@harrigan.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 5:45 PM
Subject: [runacc] Budget files/spreadsheets

> Big favor…
>
> CC26 is looking for past CC financial records to help us flesh out our
> budget planning process. I know Betsy has the CC15 budget posted on
> costume-con.org, but that’s a decade ago so the numbers are only going
> to remotely apply.
>
> Any of you willing to email me copies of records so we can make sure
> that our forecasts are sane?
>
> —
> andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
> San Jose, CA – ’72 R75/5 ’86 R100 (mine) – ’92 K75sa ’03 R1150R
> (Kevin’s)
> “It’s not pink, it’s peach-colored. Pink is tacky.”
> –Manfred Pfirsich Marie Rommel
>
> 2nd most important safety device on my bike: the one beneath my right
> hand
> Most important safety device on my bike: the one inside my helmet
>
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1265 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 10/30/2005
Subject: A CC25 grant?
Nora and I were having another one of our “costume wonk” discussions
yesterday morning, and we came up with what we thought was a neat idea.

There’s been much discussion on the CC25 list about free memberships, and
Pierre and I need to hash out where are the best venues for doing so.
(That’s another discussion for another time.)

What I want to speak to specifically is a subject brought up more than once
on the D list, among other places, by mostly younger folks. To wit: We’re
all trying to reach out to the younger set to bring them to our playground,
but they find it prohibitively expensive to attend, in comparison to the
relative low cost of an anime con. This is going to continue to be a
barrier in the future. We, as organizers, have professed a need to bring in
more attendees and broaden the con’s appeal.

One of the ways this has been done in the past is to give away free
memberships to the BIS or “Most Promising Novice” winners at regionals. (Has
it been done at Worldcons? I don’t know).

Some CCs have had reduced rates for students, which I think is a good idea.
We’re going to do this at CC25.

But here’s our concept: What about a grant to a particular person who
otherwise could not attend because of economic reasons? This would amount
to not only the price of a membership, but a room — possibly traveling
expenses (gas money, essentially) and maybe something for food. We see
this as a pretty low-cost, philanthropic win-win situation. Unfortunately,
it’s probably too late for us to do, but something maybe the future CC heads
might want to think about.

Obviously, this is all predicated on whether Karen would approve of this.

Here are some questions, with some possible answers, but obviously not the
only ones.

1. How is a worthy recipient determined?
Possibly an application process.

2. Are there any parameters, like age, economic status?.
I’m thinking that the only factor that would probably rule someone
immediately is whether they’d been to a CC before. If someone has an
interest in costuming, no matter what their age, they should be eligible,
otherwise. Economic status is entirely different thing. Not sure how to
handle that. That’s why it may be easier to pick a young person, rather
than someone our own age.

3. Who determines who is worthy?
There would have to be a committee. That committee could either be
appointed by Karen or made up of future committee people.

3. How much money are we actually talking here?
As I thought about this, the cost could be relatively low, depending on the
cooperation of the various concoms. Memberships are essentially “free”.
Frequently, hotels give a certain number of free room nights to the
committee as part of their contract — that might be another cost cut. So
the real cost would be the gas money and any other money for food. Perhaps
a good way to handle this even better would be that the recipient must come
from the region where that year’s CC would be.

And here’s a good reason why: publicity. By promoting the grant at the
local schools, historical recreation groups, SCA events, etc., it would
generate a buzz in those communities. It could also be promoted in various
publications, websites, and so on. Promoting the fact that the grant has a
value somewhere in the three-figure range, this might get some local press
coverage, too.

My guess is that a grant would be made possible by willing concoms with
money left over after all other expenses have been taken care of. We know
that there has been an informal tradition of giving “seed money” to future
concoms – why not set aside a small amount to make this possible? It
wouldn’t be declared as an annual thing, so there’s no pressure on the
committees. If there’s not enough money, a grant would not be announced.

There are some other details about the recipient selection process I have
partially thought out, but I can’t quite get them down in words without
making things overly complicated. Right now, we’d just like to hear what
you folks think.

Bruce

 

Group: runacc Message: 1266 From: Karen Heim Date: 10/30/2005
Subject: Re: A CC25 grant?

OK, so you generate a lot of buzz, and everyone gets excited about going
– to the next CC, which will be hundreds of miles away. They won’t come
to ours until the first person (with the “grant”) reports back that it
was cool.

I’m not saying I don’t like the grant idea, per se; it simply doesn’t
work well with a floating convention. For a convention that stays put
in a city from year to year, yeah, it makes a lot of sense.

Karen

Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> Nora and I were having another one of our “costume wonk” discussions
> yesterday morning, and we came up with what we thought was a neat idea.
>
>
> What I want to speak to specifically is a subject brought up more than
> once
> on the D list, among other places, by mostly younger folks. To wit:
> We’re
> all trying to reach out to the younger set to bring them to our
> playground,
> but they find it prohibitively expensive to attend, in comparison to the
> relative low cost of an anime con. This is going to continue to be a
> barrier in the future. We, as organizers, have professed a need to
> bring in
> more attendees and broaden the con’s appeal.
>
> One of the ways this has been done in the past is to give away free
> memberships to the BIS or “Most Promising Novice” winners at
> regionals. (Has
> it been done at Worldcons? I don’t know).
>
> Some CCs have had reduced rates for students, which I think is a good
> idea.
> We’re going to do this at CC25.
>
> But here’s our concept: What about a grant to a particular person who
> otherwise could not attend because of economic reasons? This would
> amount
> to not only the price of a membership, but a room — possibly traveling
> expenses (gas money, essentially) and maybe something for food. We see
> this as a pretty low-cost, philanthropic win-win situation.
> Unfortunately,
> it’s probably too late for us to do, but something maybe the future CC
> heads
> might want to think about.
>
> Obviously, this is all predicated on whether Karen would approve of this.
>
> Here are some questions, with some possible answers, but obviously not
> the
> only ones.
>
> 1. How is a worthy recipient determined?
> Possibly an application process.
>
> 2. Are there any parameters, like age, economic status?.
> I’m thinking that the only factor that would probably rule someone
> immediately is whether they’d been to a CC before. If someone has an
> interest in costuming, no matter what their age, they should be eligible,
> otherwise. Economic status is entirely different thing. Not sure how to
> handle that. That’s why it may be easier to pick a young person, rather
> than someone our own age.
>
> 3. Who determines who is worthy?
> There would have to be a committee. That committee could either be
> appointed by Karen or made up of future committee people.
>
> 3. How much money are we actually talking here?
> As I thought about this, the cost could be relatively low, depending
> on the
> cooperation of the various concoms. Memberships are essentially “free”.
> Frequently, hotels give a certain number of free room nights to the
> committee as part of their contract — that might be another cost
> cut. So
> the real cost would be the gas money and any other money for food.
> Perhaps
> a good way to handle this even better would be that the recipient must
> come
> from the region where that year’s CC would be.
>
> And here’s a good reason why: publicity. By promoting the grant at the
> local schools, historical recreation groups, SCA events, etc., it would
> generate a buzz in those communities. It could also be promoted in
> various
> publications, websites, and so on. Promoting the fact that the grant
> has a
> value somewhere in the three-figure range, this might get some local
> press
> coverage, too.
>
> My guess is that a grant would be made possible by willing concoms with
> money left over after all other expenses have been taken care of. We
> know
> that there has been an informal tradition of giving “seed money” to
> future
> concoms – why not set aside a small amount to make this possible? It
> wouldn’t be declared as an annual thing, so there’s no pressure on the
> committees. If there’s not enough money, a grant would not be announced.
>
> There are some other details about the recipient selection process I have
> partially thought out, but I can’t quite get them down in words without
> making things overly complicated. Right now, we’d just like to hear what
> you folks think.
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1267 From: Byron Connell Date: 10/30/2005
Subject: Re: A CC25 grant?

A review of the procedures used for TAFF and DUFF (the Trans-Atlantic Fan Fund and the Down Under Fan Fund) to bring an SF fan to North America every other year from Europe and Australia, and to send one to each location from North America in the interval, might provide leads on how such grants are made and to whom.

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: Bruce & Nora Mai<mailto:casamai@sbcglobal.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 3:38 PM
Subject: [runacc] A CC25 grant?

Nora and I were having another one of our “costume wonk” discussions
yesterday morning, and we came up with what we thought was a neat idea.

There’s been much discussion on the CC25 list about free memberships, and
Pierre and I need to hash out where are the best venues for doing so.
(That’s another discussion for another time.)

What I want to speak to specifically is a subject brought up more than once
on the D list, among other places, by mostly younger folks. To wit: We’re
all trying to reach out to the younger set to bring them to our playground,
but they find it prohibitively expensive to attend, in comparison to the
relative low cost of an anime con. This is going to continue to be a
barrier in the future. We, as organizers, have professed a need to bring in
more attendees and broaden the con’s appeal.

One of the ways this has been done in the past is to give away free
memberships to the BIS or “Most Promising Novice” winners at regionals. (Has
it been done at Worldcons? I don’t know).

Some CCs have had reduced rates for students, which I think is a good idea.
We’re going to do this at CC25.

But here’s our concept: What about a grant to a particular person who
otherwise could not attend because of economic reasons? This would amount
to not only the price of a membership, but a room — possibly traveling
expenses (gas money, essentially) and maybe something for food. We see
this as a pretty low-cost, philanthropic win-win situation. Unfortunately,
it’s probably too late for us to do, but something maybe the future CC heads
might want to think about.

Obviously, this is all predicated on whether Karen would approve of this.

Here are some questions, with some possible answers, but obviously not the
only ones.

1. How is a worthy recipient determined?
Possibly an application process.

2. Are there any parameters, like age, economic status?.
I’m thinking that the only factor that would probably rule someone
immediately is whether they’d been to a CC before. If someone has an
interest in costuming, no matter what their age, they should be eligible,
otherwise. Economic status is entirely different thing. Not sure how to
handle that. That’s why it may be easier to pick a young person, rather
than someone our own age.

3. Who determines who is worthy?
There would have to be a committee. That committee could either be
appointed by Karen or made up of future committee people.

3. How much money are we actually talking here?
As I thought about this, the cost could be relatively low, depending on the
cooperation of the various concoms. Memberships are essentially “free”.
Frequently, hotels give a certain number of free room nights to the
committee as part of their contract — that might be another cost cut. So
the real cost would be the gas money and any other money for food. Perhaps
a good way to handle this even better would be that the recipient must come
from the region where that year’s CC would be.

And here’s a good reason why: publicity. By promoting the grant at the
local schools, historical recreation groups, SCA events, etc., it would
generate a buzz in those communities. It could also be promoted in various
publications, websites, and so on. Promoting the fact that the grant has a
value somewhere in the three-figure range, this might get some local press
coverage, too.

My guess is that a grant would be made possible by willing concoms with
money left over after all other expenses have been taken care of. We know
that there has been an informal tradition of giving “seed money” to future
concoms – why not set aside a small amount to make this possible? It
wouldn’t be declared as an annual thing, so there’s no pressure on the
committees. If there’s not enough money, a grant would not be announced.

There are some other details about the recipient selection process I have
partially thought out, but I can’t quite get them down in words without
making things overly complicated. Right now, we’d just like to hear what
you folks think.

Bruce

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Group: runacc Message: 1268 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 10/30/2005
Subject: Re: A CC25 grant?

Byron Connell wrote:

> A review of the procedures used for TAFF and DUFF (the Trans-Atlantic Fan Fund and the Down Under Fan Fund) to bring an SF fan to North America every other year from Europe and Australia, and to send one to each location from North America in the interval, might provide leads on how such grants are made and to whom.

Chaz Boston-Baden ran for TAFF last year, but didn’t win.

TAFF and DUFF are popular-vote contests. They tend to be fanzine-fan
centered.

You have to pay to vote, and the voting fees go to the winner of the
vote to defray their WorldCon expenses.

The winner of TAFF (a European fan when WorldCon isn’t in Europe, a US
fan when WorldCon is in Europe) is required to write a convention report
(a one-shot fanzine is the generally accepted format). They’re also
responsible to promote and administer the next year’s TAFF vote.

So, not necessarily a great model for us.

(Some of us joke about creating MAFF, the Mid-Atlantic Fan Fund in which
we elect a fan to throw out of the plane while over the mid-Atlantic.)

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1269 From: Elaine Mami Date: 10/30/2005
Subject: Re: A CC25 grant?

I like the idea. You might check with Darla to find out how Costume College
handles their scholarships. It seems as if it would be a similar thing.

Elaine

Nil significat nisi oscillat!

>
>Nora and I were having another one of our “costume wonk” discussions
>yesterday morning, and we came up with what we thought was a neat idea.
>
>There’s been much discussion on the CC25 list about free memberships, and
>Pierre and I need to hash out where are the best venues for doing so.
>(That’s another discussion for another time.)
>
>What I want to speak to specifically is a subject brought up more than once
>on the D list, among other places, by mostly younger folks. To wit: We’re
>all trying to reach out to the younger set to bring them to our playground,
>but they find it prohibitively expensive to attend, in comparison to the
>relative low cost of an anime con. This is going to continue to be a
>barrier in the future. We, as organizers, have professed a need to bring
>in
>more attendees and broaden the con’s appeal.
>
>One of the ways this has been done in the past is to give away free
>memberships to the BIS or “Most Promising Novice” winners at regionals.
>(Has
>it been done at Worldcons? I don’t know).
>
>Some CCs have had reduced rates for students, which I think is a good idea.
>We’re going to do this at CC25.
>
>But here’s our concept: What about a grant to a particular person who
>otherwise could not attend because of economic reasons? This would amount
>to not only the price of a membership, but a room — possibly traveling
>expenses (gas money, essentially) and maybe something for food. We see
>this as a pretty low-cost, philanthropic win-win situation. Unfortunately,
>it’s probably too late for us to do, but something maybe the future CC
>heads
>might want to think about.
>
>Obviously, this is all predicated on whether Karen would approve of this.
>
>Here are some questions, with some possible answers, but obviously not the
>only ones.
>
>1. How is a worthy recipient determined?
>Possibly an application process.
>
>2. Are there any parameters, like age, economic status?.
>I’m thinking that the only factor that would probably rule someone
>immediately is whether they’d been to a CC before. If someone has an
>interest in costuming, no matter what their age, they should be eligible,
>otherwise. Economic status is entirely different thing. Not sure how to
>handle that. That’s why it may be easier to pick a young person, rather
>than someone our own age.
>
>3. Who determines who is worthy?
>There would have to be a committee. That committee could either be
>appointed by Karen or made up of future committee people.
>
>3. How much money are we actually talking here?
>As I thought about this, the cost could be relatively low, depending on the
>cooperation of the various concoms. Memberships are essentially “free”.
>Frequently, hotels give a certain number of free room nights to the
>committee as part of their contract — that might be another cost cut. So
>the real cost would be the gas money and any other money for food. Perhaps
>a good way to handle this even better would be that the recipient must come
>from the region where that year’s CC would be.
>
>And here’s a good reason why: publicity. By promoting the grant at the
>local schools, historical recreation groups, SCA events, etc., it would
>generate a buzz in those communities. It could also be promoted in various
>publications, websites, and so on. Promoting the fact that the grant has a
>value somewhere in the three-figure range, this might get some local press
>coverage, too.
>
>My guess is that a grant would be made possible by willing concoms with
>money left over after all other expenses have been taken care of. We know
>that there has been an informal tradition of giving “seed money” to future
>concoms – why not set aside a small amount to make this possible? It
>wouldn’t be declared as an annual thing, so there’s no pressure on the
>committees. If there’s not enough money, a grant would not be announced.
>
>There are some other details about the recipient selection process I have
>partially thought out, but I can’t quite get them down in words without
>making things overly complicated. Right now, we’d just like to hear what
>you folks think.
>
>Bruce
>
>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1270 From: Charles Date: 10/30/2005
Subject: Re: A CC25 grant?
I wondered about grants, both with CC-23, and CONduit.

For CONduit the policy shifts from year-to-year, chair-to-chair. One aspect that we have is that of “will-work-for-con”. So a few particular departments, and/or the Chair, have the authority (without going through all of the concom) to waive a significant part of membership (I don’t know if they have ever supplied rooms or transport). We do have a somewhat over-stocked con-suite, to help defray cost for some fans.

The CONduit method appears to work if: it’s not abused by departments/chairs, and if nobody complains too much about “unfair” treatment. We do not advertise this accomadation to the general public.

I was concerned about CC-23 for a variety of reasons. I thought it would be nice to have a DUFF-type (Overseas type) sponsorship, but we never mananged to set something up. We wondered about discount rate for local fans that worked the con — fans without a strong costume-fan connection (which we did impliment as some level), but willing to work, and did discount some memberships for that. Without going into details, I did help out a few fans with room-space, such as in noisy buffer space around the consuite — discount rate partially funded out of my pocket, and con comp rooms (by consuite). We had a few panalists that could barely afford to come, but in at least one case was able to ask for help, and I believe did get some.

I think we also had some of the “new award winning fan” type membership awardees attend.

In general, I belived that it was a good idea to help some fans in, but also found it difficult to create a good system.

Perhaps part of pass-along funds (not in any formal way?) be used for sponsoring — since it is “found” money?

Charles Galway
CC-23 Utah, 2005

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Group: runacc Message: 1271 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 10/31/2005
Subject: Re: A CC25 grant?

Responses below:

—- Original Message —–
From: “Karen Heim” <axejudge@accessus.net>

> OK, so you generate a lot of buzz, and everyone gets excited about going
> – to the next CC, which will be hundreds of miles away. They won’t come
> to ours until the first person (with the “grant”) reports back that it
> was cool.
>
> I’m not saying I don’t like the grant idea, per se; it simply doesn’t
> work well with a floating convention. For a convention that stays put
> in a city from year to year, yeah, it makes a lot of sense.
>
> Karen

This is why it’s best for the grant to be done IN the region where the con
will be.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Charles” <cgalway@xmission.com>

>
> Perhaps part of pass-along funds (not in any formal way?) be used for
> sponsoring — since it is “found” money?
>
> Charles Galway
> CC-23 Utah, 2005
>
That’s what I said – “pass along money” where a tidy profit, after all is
paid for, to be forwarded to that host city.

Bruce

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
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>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1272 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 10/31/2005
Subject: Re: A CC25 grant?

On Oct 31, 2005, at 4:19 PM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> —– Original Message —–
> From: “Charles” <cgalway@xmission.com>
>> Perhaps part of pass-along funds (not in any formal way?) be used for
>> sponsoring — since it is “found” money?
>>
> That’s what I said – “pass along money” where a tidy profit, after all
> is
> paid for, to be forwarded to that host city.

Pass-along funds are there for the recipients to use as they see fit.
Sometimes they’re needed more for advance expenses, and having them
tied to funding a grant program would be harmful to the convention.


Andy Trembley, Bull-in-Drag
The Bovine Illuminati (It’s the Cows, Inc.)
http://www.bovil.com/
Moo!

 

Group: runacc Message: 1273 From: Charles Date: 11/1/2005
Subject: Re: A CC25 grant?

That’s a good point — of not tying up pass along funds. In a sense, I think that part of the point is not to actually spend up the pass-along-fund, but to rather use it for early seed money, and then still be able to pass it along, after the con is over.

Charles

—– Original Message —–
From: Andrew T Trembley

Pass-along funds are there for the recipients to use as they see fit.
Sometimes they’re needed more for advance expenses, and having them
tied to funding a grant program would be harmful to the convention.


Andy Trembley, Bull-in-Drag
The Bovine Illuminati (It’s the Cows, Inc.)
http://www.bovil.com/
Moo!

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Group: runacc Message: 1274 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 11/1/2005
Subject: Re: A CC25 grant?

I believe I took this into account when I said:

> My guess is that a grant would be made possible by willing concoms with
> money left over after all other expenses have been taken care of. We know
> that there has been an informal tradition of giving “seed money” to future
> concoms – why not set aside a small amount to make this possible? It
> wouldn’t be declared as an annual thing, so there’s no pressure on the
> committees. If there’s not enough money, a grant would not be announced.

Emphasis on >willing< , and >no pressure ont the committees<

Bruce

—– Original Message —–
From: “Andrew T Trembley” <attrembl@bovil.com>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] A CC25 grant?

>
> On Oct 31, 2005, at 4:19 PM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
>> —– Original Message —–
>> From: “Charles” <cgalway@xmission.com>
>>> Perhaps part of pass-along funds (not in any formal way?) be used for
>>> sponsoring — since it is “found” money?
>>>
>> That’s what I said – “pass along money” where a tidy profit, after all
>> is
>> paid for, to be forwarded to that host city.
>
> Pass-along funds are there for the recipients to use as they see fit.
> Sometimes they’re needed more for advance expenses, and having them
> tied to funding a grant program would be harmful to the convention.
>
> —
> Andy Trembley, Bull-in-Drag
> The Bovine Illuminati (It’s the Cows, Inc.)
> http://www.bovil.com/
> Moo!
>
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
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Group: runacc Message: 1275 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 11/4/2005
Subject: Re: A CC25 grant?
I think a scholarship/grant is a good idea, provided it can be accomplished
without bankrupting the concom. Therefore, I think it needs to be optional
vs. mandatory, but a nice “extra” if a con can pull it off.

Re funding sources, has anybody considered approaching local sewing or
crafts-related businesses in their community to help “sponsor” a deserving
person to attend the con? Maybe offer ad space in the program book or on
the web site in exchange for $$ to go toward the grant…

–Karen

 

Group: runacc Message: 1276 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 11/4/2005
Subject: Re: A CC25 grant?

On Nov 4, 2005, at 12:00 PM, Ricky & Karen Dick wrote:

> I think a scholarship/grant is a good idea, provided it can be
> accomplished
> without bankrupting the concom. Therefore, I think it needs to be
> optional
> vs. mandatory, but a nice “extra” if a con can pull it off.
>
> Re funding sources, has anybody considered approaching local sewing or
> crafts-related businesses in their community to help “sponsor” a
> deserving
> person to attend the con? Maybe offer ad space in the program book or
> on
> the web site in exchange for $$ to go toward the grant…

How is this for a model?

CC24 (just for the sake of picking a number) has passed funds forward
and still has some cash. They, as a last act, use some of the remaining
funds to sponsor someone from their region to CC25 or CC26 (depending
on when their books settle). No obligations for a concom to do this,
but a good way for the con to give back to the local area and to an
upcoming convention.


andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen
http://www.bovil.com/
“It’s not pink; it’s peach-colored. Pink is tacky.” –Manfred Pfirsich
Marie Rommel

 

Group: runacc Message: 1277 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 11/4/2005
Subject: Re: A CC25 grant?

I’m OK with that.

Other models are possible.

–Karen

At 01:25 PM 11/4/2005 -0800, you wrote:

>On Nov 4, 2005, at 12:00 PM, Ricky & Karen Dick wrote:
>
> > I think a scholarship/grant is a good idea, provided it can be
> > accomplished
> > without bankrupting the concom. Therefore, I think it needs to be
> > optional
> > vs. mandatory, but a nice “extra” if a con can pull it off.
> >
> > Re funding sources, has anybody considered approaching local sewing or
> > crafts-related businesses in their community to help “sponsor” a
> > deserving
> > person to attend the con? Maybe offer ad space in the program book or
> > on
> > the web site in exchange for $$ to go toward the grant…
>
>How is this for a model?
>
>CC24 (just for the sake of picking a number) has passed funds forward
>and still has some cash. They, as a last act, use some of the remaining
>funds to sponsor someone from their region to CC25 or CC26 (depending
>on when their books settle). No obligations for a concom to do this,
>but a good way for the con to give back to the local area and to an
>upcoming convention.
>
>–
>
>andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen
>http://www.bovil.com/
>”It’s not pink; it’s peach-colored. Pink is tacky.” –Manfred Pfirsich
>Marie Rommel
>
>
>
>
>View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1278 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 11/6/2005
Subject: Re: A CC25 grant?

Well, the only problem might be whether or not transportation funds are
realistically affordable for the con to do. Otherwise, what are the chances
someone in Des Moines is going to come to CC26, for instance? (Flight
tickets vs. some sort of voucher for gas money to drive ro rent a car)

That’s why I would think it’s better for someone to be sponsored in the area
where that year’s con takes place.

Bruce

—– Original Message —–
From: “Andrew T Trembley” <attrembl@bovil.com>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] A CC25 grant?

>
> How is this for a model?
>
> CC24 (just for the sake of picking a number) has passed funds forward
> and still has some cash. They, as a last act, use some of the remaining
> funds to sponsor someone from their region to CC25 or CC26 (depending
> on when their books settle). No obligations for a concom to do this,
> but a good way for the con to give back to the local area and to an
> upcoming convention.
>
> —
> andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen
> http://www.bovil.com/
> “It’s not pink; it’s peach-colored. Pink is tacky.” –Manfred Pfirsich
> Marie Rommel
>
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1279 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 11/6/2005
Subject: Re: A CC25 grant? – Who decides?
Since Karen seems amenable, let’s flesh out the model a little further: Who
decides who gets the grant and how is that determined?

Bruce

 

Group: runacc Message: 1280 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 11/6/2005
Subject: Re: A CC25 grant? – Who decides?

Should it be a nomination process (people suggest deserving individuals),
or an application process (individuals apply to be considered for a grant)?

–Karen

At 12:48 PM 11/6/2005 -0600, you wrote:

>Since Karen seems amenable, let’s flesh out the model a little further: Who
>decides who gets the grant and how is that determined?
>
>Bruce
>
>
>
>
>
>View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1281 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 11/6/2005
Subject: Re: A CC25 grant? – Who decides?

I think I like the nomination process slightly better.

Can’t say why…

-b

Ricky & Karen Dick wrote:

> Should it be a nomination process (people suggest deserving individuals),
> or an application process (individuals apply to be considered for a grant)?
>
> –Karen
>
> At 12:48 PM 11/6/2005 -0600, you wrote:
>
>>Since Karen seems amenable, let’s flesh out the model a little further: Who
>>decides who gets the grant and how is that determined?
>>
>>Bruce
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
>>Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



Betsy Delaney
*************************************************************************
http://www.hawkeswood.com/ * http://www.OutOftheBlackBox.org/
http://www.BarkingMad.org/ * http://www.sickpups.org/
http://www.Costume-Con.org/ * http://www.SchoolWithoutWalls.org/
*************************************************************************

 

Group: runacc Message: 1282 From: Elaine Mami Date: 11/7/2005
Subject: Re: A CC25 grant? – Who decides?

I also favor the nomination process. I just don’t feel comfortable with the
“I am needy, and here’s proof of why I am deserving” part of the application
process.

Just my opinion.

Elaine

Nil significat nisi oscillat!

>I think I like the nomination process slightly better.
>
>Can’t say why…
>
>-b
>
>Ricky & Karen Dick wrote:
> > Should it be a nomination process (people suggest deserving
>individuals),
> > or an application process (individuals apply to be considered for a
>grant)?
> >
> > –Karen
> >
> > At 12:48 PM 11/6/2005 -0600, you wrote:
> >
> >>Since Karen seems amenable, let’s flesh out the model a little further:
>Who
> >>decides who gets the grant and how is that determined?
> >>
> >>Bruce
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> >>Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>–
>–
>Betsy Delaney
>*************************************************************************
> http://www.hawkeswood.com/ * http://www.OutOftheBlackBox.org/
> http://www.BarkingMad.org/ * http://www.sickpups.org/
> http://www.Costume-Con.org/ * http://www.SchoolWithoutWalls.org/
>*************************************************************************

 

Group: runacc Message: 1283 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 11/7/2005
Subject: Re: A CC25 grant? – Who decides?

Anybody else?

We seem to be leaning toward nomination vs. application…is this a true thing?

I’m leaning that direction because in an application process, you get very
talented shy folk who are not willing to blow their own horn, and less
talented but more aggressive folk who will inflate their costuming resume
and their impoverished status if given the opportunity.

If so, who gets to nominate? (The current committee? The committee donating
$$$? A nationwide cross-section of of current and former CC committee
people? A specially assigned scholarship commission? ???)

–Karen

At 08:54 AM 11/7/2005 -0500, you wrote:

>I also favor the nomination process. I just don’t feel comfortable with the
>”I am needy, and here’s proof of why I am deserving” part of the application
>process.
>
>Just my opinion.
>
>Elaine
>
>Nil significat nisi oscillat!
>
>
> >I think I like the nomination process slightly better.
> >
> >Can’t say why…
> >
> >-b
> >
> >Ricky & Karen Dick wrote:
> > > Should it be a nomination process (people suggest deserving
> >individuals),
> > > or an application process (individuals apply to be considered for a
> >grant)?
> > >
> > > –Karen
> > >
> > > At 12:48 PM 11/6/2005 -0600, you wrote:
> > >
> > >>Since Karen seems amenable, let’s flesh out the model a little further:
> >Who
> > >>decides who gets the grant and how is that determined?
> > >>
> > >>Bruce
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> > >>Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >–
> >–
> >Betsy Delaney
> >*************************************************************************
> > http://www.hawkeswood.com/ * http://www.OutOftheBlackBox.org/
> > http://www.BarkingMad.org/ * http://www.sickpups.org/
> > http://www.Costume-Con.org/ * http://www.SchoolWithoutWalls.org/
> >*************************************************************************
>
>
>
>
>
>View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1284 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 11/7/2005
Subject: Re: A CC25 grant? – Who decides?

In a message dated 11/7/2005 9:04:39 AM Central Standard Time,
castleb@pulsenet.com writes:

> e seem to be leaning toward nomination vs. application…is this a true
> thing?
>

I also lean towards Nomination.

> I’m leaning that direction because in an application process, you get very
> talented shy folk who are not willing to blow their own horn, and less
> talented but more aggressive folk who will inflate their costuming resume
> and their impoverished status if given the opportunity.
>

Without going into details, or naming names, I know exactly what you are
talking about.

I have encountered some folks in the Reenactor scene that are really good at
making the clothes of their time periods. I have told them about CostumeCon,
and some have heard about it. Some have not. I planned ahead for that
eventuality and have made a little handout with websites for the ICG, CC’s, etc. I have
a feeling that there are some folks I can get to go to a CC that would be
interested.

> If so, who gets to nominate? (The current committee? The committee donating
>
> $$$? A nationwide cross-section of of current and former CC committee
> people? A specially assigned scholarship commission? ???)

I think the nominations should be done by committee for that CC who live in
the area of that CC. It would keep the cost down, and attract more locals who
have never heard of it.

Henry

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 1285 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 12/3/2005
Subject: Releases…
I need a good hold-harmless release and model release for a competition
I’m running in January. Anybody willing to provide samples?

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1286 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 12/3/2005
Subject: Re: Releases…

In a message dated 12/3/2005 2:21:37 PM Central Standard Time,
attrembl@bovil.com writes:

> I need a good hold-harmless release and model release for a competition
> I’m running in January. Anybody willing to provide samples?

Best I have is CC21’s photo release.
Henry

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 1287 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 1/1/2006
Subject: CC24 PR
We were just making an observation here: Each section says “contact the
director”, but there are no names? Who are they?

And there’s no stated convention weapons policy. Presumably, you’re
supposed to go to the website. Why?

Bruce

 

Group: runacc Message: 1288 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 1/2/2006
Subject: Re: CC24 PR

In a message dated 1/1/2006 8:06:06 PM Central Standard Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> And there’s no stated convention weapons policy. Presumably, you’re
> supposed to go to the website. Why?

I’d imagine that a CC’s weapon policy is in the hands of that particular CC.
Henry Osier

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 1289 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 1/3/2006
Subject: Re: CC24 PR – weapons policy

No, no. Why shoudl I have to go to the website to find it out if that’s
what you’re even supposed to do.

Bruce

—– Original Message —–
From: <osierhenry@cs.com>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] CC24 PR

> In a message dated 1/1/2006 8:06:06 PM Central Standard Time,
> casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:
>> And there’s no stated convention weapons policy. Presumably, you’re
>> supposed to go to the website. Why?
> I’d imagine that a CC’s weapon policy is in the hands of that particular
> CC.
> Henry Osier
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1290 From: bruno Date: 1/3/2006
Subject: Re: CC24 PR – weapons policy

I haven’t gotten the PR, but I moved, so it’s probably being forwarded.

But, let’s not dwell on why a prior CC may or may not have done something, let’s just learn and improve.

Michael

> ——-Original Message——-
> From: Bruce & Nora Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [runacc] CC24 PR – weapons policy
> Sent: 03 Jan ’06 23:41
>
> No, no. Why shoudl I have to go to the website to find it out if that’s
> what you’re even supposed to do.
>
> Bruce
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: <osierhenry@cs.com>
> To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 2:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [runacc] CC24 PR
>
>
> > In a message dated 1/1/2006 8:06:06 PM Central Standard Time,
> > casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:
> >> And there’s no stated convention weapons policy. Presumably, you’re
> >> supposed to go to the website. Why?
> > I’d imagine that a CC’s weapon policy is in the hands of that particular
> > CC.
> > Henry Osier
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1291 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 1/3/2006
Subject: Re: CC24 PR – weapons policy

In a message dated 1/3/2006 5:41:27 PM Central Standard Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> No, no. Why shoudl I have to go to the website to find it out if that’s
> what you’re even supposed to do.

Ah! Gotcha! Now I understand the question.
Henry

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 1292 From: Elaine Mami Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: Re: CC24 PR – weapons policy

I agree with Bruce.

While every CC sets its own weapons policy based on hotel/local/state rules,
it should be clearly defined and published. It is true that not everyone
uses computers for all of their information. I would expect everything in
the PR to be repeated (and maybe expanded upon) on the web site. However, I
still want my information in hard copy. It’s easier to file, and much
easier to read in the *throne* room.

And for those times when the computers are down……………………..

Elaine

Nil significat nisi oscillat!

>From: “Bruce & Nora Mai” <casamai@sbcglobal.net>
>Reply-To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
>To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [runacc] CC24 PR – weapons policy
>Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 17:41:14 -0600
>
>No, no. Why shoudl I have to go to the website to find it out if that’s
>what you’re even supposed to do.
>
>Bruce
>
>—– Original Message —–
>From: <osierhenry@cs.com>
>To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 2:53 PM
>Subject: Re: [runacc] CC24 PR
>
>
> > In a message dated 1/1/2006 8:06:06 PM Central Standard Time,
> > casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:
> >> And there’s no stated convention weapons policy. Presumably, you’re
> >> supposed to go to the website. Why?
> > I’d imagine that a CC’s weapon policy is in the hands of that particular
> > CC.
> > Henry Osier
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1293 From: srabba Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: Re: CC24 PR

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Bruce & Nora Mai” <casamai@s…>
wrote:

>
> We were just making an observation here: Each section

says “contact the

> director”, but there are no names? Who are they?

The decision not to use names for the positions was a practical one.
We’ve had several staff changes so far not to mention email and snail
mail address changes for our staff. This sort of thing does happen
and can even happen at this late date. By using titles for the
contact information and the “whoever”@epicmovies.org as well as the
convention address we can maintain continuity through out all our
publications. This minimizes confusion as well as lost messages.

> And there’s no stated convention weapons policy. Presumably,

you’re

> supposed to go to the website. Why?

This PR contained the rules for the contests as published by the
MDs. The weapons policies mentioned are those of that particular
contest. It was not our intention to publish conference policy at
this time. Each MD has the prerogative with the approval of ConCom
to establish weapons guidelines appropriate to their venue. These
guidelines may be more or less stringent than the conference policy.
We will endeavor to make the conference weapon policy and indeed all
conference policies as close as possible to those of the contests.
However, we also recognize that there can be a different set of
standards for on stage verses wandering the halls.

There’s only so much information we can get out at one time. Space,
time and money dictate much of those choices. We felt it was
important to get out the contest rules at this time. Future
publications will contain further information.

Sallie Abba
Co-Chair CC-24

 

Group: runacc Message: 1294 From: Elaine Mami Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: Re: CC24 PR

Sallie,

Thank you.

Elaine

Nil significat nisi oscillat!

>
>The decision not to use names for the positions was a practical one.
>We’ve had several staff changes so far not to mention email and snail
>mail address changes for our staff. This sort of thing does happen
>and can even happen at this late date. By using titles for the
>contact information and the “whoever”@epicmovies.org as well as the
>convention address we can maintain continuity through out all our
>publications. This minimizes confusion as well as lost messages.
>
>>
>This PR contained the rules for the contests as published by the
>MDs. The weapons policies mentioned are those of that particular
>contest. It was not our intention to publish conference policy at
>this time. Each MD has the prerogative with the approval of ConCom
>to establish weapons guidelines appropriate to their venue. These
>guidelines may be more or less stringent than the conference policy.
>We will endeavor to make the conference weapon policy and indeed all
>conference policies as close as possible to those of the contests.
>However, we also recognize that there can be a different set of
>standards for on stage verses wandering the halls.
>
>There’s only so much information we can get out at one time. Space,
>time and money dictate much of those choices. We felt it was
>important to get out the contest rules at this time. Future
>publications will contain further information.
>
>Sallie Abba
>Co-Chair CC-24
>
>
>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1295 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: Re: CC24 PR

Well said, regarding the publication of rules.

I would like to point out, as archivist, that I do use the PRs to gather
some of my data. Choosing not to include individual names for each
committee position can sometimes pose a problem from the perspective of
history and may make it difficult for con members who want to contact a
committee member to do so, especially if there is no name to go with the
role. If there is a communication problem (which happens sometimes,
especially with email addresses), I could imagine a point where it might
be difficult to pinpoint the problem (technical or personal).

An example (not meant to point fingers): A very long time ago, I was
asked to judge one of the CC historical masquerades by one of the
then-masquerade directors. I had planned to fulfil that role all the way
up to the con itself, only to discover a few months out that the
original director had dropped out of the committee, had not informed the
other director, and that the remaining director had chosen other judges.
I could have competed at the con, and could have made myself available
to assist others, but because I didn’t know about the switch in
directors, I had no way to follow up.

Publishing this information (and then correcting or updating it if
necessary) is generally a good thing, and something you may wish to
consider doing for the next PR. Certainly, with the web site (a flexible
publication) there should be no reason not to include the names of the
committee members along with the roles. A simple “we’re sorry – we had
to change the responsible parties – they are now…” statement is easy
to add to the site, and helps to limit potential confusion.

Just my own personal two cents, adjusted for inflation. Your mileage may
vary…

-Betsy

srabba wrote:

> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Bruce & Nora Mai” <casamai@s…>
> wrote:
>
>>We were just making an observation here: Each section
>
> says “contact the
>
>>director”, but there are no names? Who are they?
>
>
> The decision not to use names for the positions was a practical one.
> We’ve had several staff changes so far not to mention email and snail
> mail address changes for our staff. This sort of thing does happen
> and can even happen at this late date. By using titles for the
> contact information and the “whoever”@epicmovies.org as well as the
> convention address we can maintain continuity through out all our
> publications. This minimizes confusion as well as lost messages.
>
>
>>And there’s no stated convention weapons policy. Presumably,
>
> you’re
>
>>supposed to go to the website. Why?
>
>
> This PR contained the rules for the contests as published by the
> MDs. The weapons policies mentioned are those of that particular
> contest. It was not our intention to publish conference policy at
> this time. Each MD has the prerogative with the approval of ConCom
> to establish weapons guidelines appropriate to their venue. These
> guidelines may be more or less stringent than the conference policy.
> We will endeavor to make the conference weapon policy and indeed all
> conference policies as close as possible to those of the contests.
> However, we also recognize that there can be a different set of
> standards for on stage verses wandering the halls.
>
> There’s only so much information we can get out at one time. Space,
> time and money dictate much of those choices. We felt it was
> important to get out the contest rules at this time. Future
> publications will contain further information.
>
> Sallie Abba
> Co-Chair CC-24
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



Betsy Delaney
*************************************************************************
http://www.hawkeswood.com/ * http://www.OutOftheBlackBox.org/
http://www.BarkingMad.org/ * http://www.sickpups.org/
http://www.Costume-Con.org/ * http://www.SchoolWithoutWalls.org/
*************************************************************************

 

Group: runacc Message: 1296 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 1/4/2006
Subject: Re: CC24 PR

—– Original Message —–
From: “srabba” <gsabba@att.net>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Bruce & Nora Mai” <casamai@s…> wrote:
>> We were just making an observation here: Each section says “contact the
>> director”, but there are no names? Who are they?
> The decision not to use names for the positions was a practical one.
> We’ve had several staff changes so far not to mention email and snail
> mail address changes for our staff. This sort of thing does happen
> and can even happen at this late date. By using titles for the
> contact information and the “whoever”@epicmovies.org as well as the
> convention address we can maintain continuity through out all our
> publications. This minimizes confusion as well as lost messages.

More to the point – why weren’t the email addys under each “contact x”
statement rather than all grouped at the back? I know it’s redundant but I
didn’t realize they were even in the PR until I reached the end.

>> And there’s no stated convention weapons policy. Presumably, you’re
>> supposed to go to the website. Why?
> This PR contained the rules for the contests as published by the
> MDs. The weapons policies mentioned are those of that particular
> contest.
Which say (in essence) “see the convention policy” which isn’t in the PR.
That’s what we’re asking about specifically.

Nora

 

Group: runacc Message: 1297 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 1/14/2006
Subject: Educatinal materials
It occured to me that, beyond the flyers, newbies often don’t have a
complete picture of what to expect at a CC. So I wrote up these 3
documents, which I’ve uploaded to the runacc group.
The intentinois to send them with the PR(s) to anyone who identifies
themselves as a “first-timer”.

If anyone has any additions they’d like to suggest, I would welcome them –
especially the “Do’s and Don’ts”

Bruce

 

Group: runacc Message: 1298 From: Elaine Mami Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: Educatinal materials

Bruce,

Where are the documents? I can only find the costumeconnections site.

Elaine

Nil significat nisi oscillat!

>From: “Bruce & Nora Mai” <casamai@sbcglobal.net>
>Reply-To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
>To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [runacc] Educatinal materials
>Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:57:34 -0600
>
>It occured to me that, beyond the flyers, newbies often don’t have a
>complete picture of what to expect at a CC. So I wrote up these 3
>documents, which I’ve uploaded to the runacc group.
>The intentinois to send them with the PR(s) to anyone who identifies
>themselves as a “first-timer”.
>
>If anyone has any additions they’d like to suggest, I would welcome them –
>especially the “Do’s and Don’ts”
>
>Bruce
>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1299 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: Educatinal materials

Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> It occured to me that, beyond the flyers, newbies often don’t have a

complete picture of what to expect at a CC. So I wrote up these 3
documents, which I’ve uploaded to the runacc group.

> The intentinois to send them with the PR(s) to anyone who identifies

themselves as a “first-timer”.

> If anyone has any additions they’d like to suggest, I would welcome them

> especially the “Do’s and Don’ts”
>

Here’s the one I did for CC26, it includes a “hotel resume” section too.

http://www.cc26.info/Posters/CC26.Packet.pdf

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1300 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 1/20/2006
Subject: Re: Educatinal materials

How come this information isn’t on the actual website? I know you don’t have
concrete information yet but I think even the general dates you mention, etc
would be helpful on the site itself.

Nora

—– Original Message —–
From: “Andrew Trembley” <attrembl@bovil.com>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Educatinal materials

> Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
>> It occured to me that, beyond the flyers, newbies often don’t have a
> complete picture of what to expect at a CC. So I wrote up these 3
> documents, which I’ve uploaded to the runacc group.
>> The intentinois to send them with the PR(s) to anyone who identifies
> themselves as a “first-timer”.
>> If anyone has any additions they’d like to suggest, I would welcome them
> –
>> especially the “Do’s and Don’ts”
>>
>
> Here’s the one I did for CC26, it includes a “hotel resume” section too.
>
> http://www.cc26.info/Posters/CC26.Packet.pdf
>
> andy
>
>
>
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

 

 

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Subject: Re: Dealing with Janet Wilson-Anderson
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Subject: Re: Dealing with Janet Wilson-Anderson
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Subject: Dealers’ Rooms: Locals vs. Out Of The Area Vendors
Group: runacc Message: 1204 From: David Doering Date: 6/21/2005
Subject: Re: Dealers’ Rooms: Locals vs. Out Of The Area Vendors
Group: runacc Message: 1205 From: Charles Date: 6/21/2005
Subject: Re: Dealers’ Rooms: Locals vs. Out Of The Area Vendors
Group: runacc Message: 1206 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/21/2005
Subject: Re: Dealers tables/membership question
Group: runacc Message: 1207 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/21/2005
Subject: Dealing with other dealers
Group: runacc Message: 1208 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/21/2005
Subject: Re: Dealing with other dealers
Group: runacc Message: 1209 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 6/22/2005
Subject: Re: Dealers’ Rooms: Locals vs. Out Of The Area Vendors
Group: runacc Message: 1210 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/25/2005
Subject: Re: Dealing with Janet Wilson-Anderson
Group: runacc Message: 1211 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/25/2005
Subject: Re: Dealing with Janet Wilson-Anderson
Group: runacc Message: 1212 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 7/7/2005
Subject: Video Masquerade?
Group: runacc Message: 1213 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 7/7/2005
Subject: Re: Video Masquerade?
Group: runacc Message: 1214 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 7/8/2005
Subject: Re: Video Masquerade?
Group: runacc Message: 1215 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 7/8/2005
Subject: Re: Video Masquerade?
Group: runacc Message: 1216 From: Kevin Roche Date: 7/12/2005
Subject: CC26 paperwork update
Group: runacc Message: 1217 From: Tina Connell Date: 7/12/2005
Subject: Re: CC26 paperwork update
Group: runacc Message: 1218 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 7/12/2005
Subject: I asked this question before…
Group: runacc Message: 1219 From: Kevin Roche Date: 7/12/2005
Subject: Re: CC26 paperwork update
Group: runacc Message: 1220 From: Tina Connell Date: 7/13/2005
Subject: Re: CC26 paperwork update
Group: runacc Message: 1221 From: Kevin Roche Date: 7/21/2005
Subject: Promotion opportunity at Interaction
Group: runacc Message: 1222 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 7/21/2005
Subject: Re: Promotion opportunity at Interaction
Group: runacc Message: 1223 From: Kevin Roche Date: 7/22/2005
Subject: Re: Promotion opportunity at Interaction
Group: runacc Message: 1224 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 7/22/2005
Subject: Re: Promotion opportunity at Interaction
Group: runacc Message: 1225 From: Kevin Roche Date: 7/22/2005
Subject: Re: Promotion opportunity at Interaction
Group: runacc Message: 1226 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 7/22/2005
Subject: Re: Promotion opportunity at Interaction
Group: runacc Message: 1227 From: Kevin Roche Date: 7/22/2005
Subject: Re: Promotion opportunity at Interaction
Group: runacc Message: 1228 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 7/23/2005
Subject: Re: Promotion opportunity at Interaction
Group: runacc Message: 1229 From: Kevin Roche Date: 7/29/2005
Subject: Wahoo! Legality is a good thing.
Group: runacc Message: 1230 From: Kevin Roche Date: 7/29/2005
Subject: Re: Wahoo! Legality is a good thing.
Group: runacc Message: 1231 From: Byron Connell Date: 7/31/2005
Subject: Re: Wahoo! Legality is a good thing.
Group: runacc Message: 1232 From: Kevin Roche Date: 7/31/2005
Subject: Re: Wahoo! Legality is a good thing.
Group: runacc Message: 1233 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 8/15/2005
Subject: Re: Wahoo! Legality is a good thing.
Group: runacc Message: 1234 From: georgialei Date: 8/20/2005
Subject: leftovers
Group: runacc Message: 1235 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 8/20/2005
Subject: Re: leftovers
Group: runacc Message: 1236 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 9/12/2005
Subject: Green Room goodies
Group: runacc Message: 1237 From: David Doering Date: 9/12/2005
Subject: Re: Green Room goodies
Group: runacc Message: 1238 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 9/12/2005
Subject: Re: Green Room goodies
Group: runacc Message: 1239 From: Byron Connell Date: 9/13/2005
Subject: Re: Green Room goodies
Group: runacc Message: 1240 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 9/19/2005
Subject: [Fwd: RE: [ICG-D] RIP Kelly Turner 1961-2005]
Group: runacc Message: 1241 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 9/28/2005
Subject: Today’s odd thought
Group: runacc Message: 1242 From: John O’Halloran Date: 9/28/2005
Subject: Re: Today’s odd thought
Group: runacc Message: 1243 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 9/28/2005
Subject: Re: Today’s odd thought
Group: runacc Message: 1244 From: David Doering Date: 9/28/2005
Subject: Re: Today’s odd thought
Group: runacc Message: 1245 From: dave@techvoice.com Date: 9/29/2005
Subject: Re: Today’s odd thought
Group: runacc Message: 1246 From: John O’Halloran Date: 10/1/2005
Subject: Photos, Model Releases and Rights Restrictions
Group: runacc Message: 1247 From: Martin Gear Date: 10/1/2005
Subject: Re: Photos, Model Releases and Rights Restrictions
Group: runacc Message: 1248 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 10/2/2005
Subject: Re: Photos, Model Releases and Rights Restrictions
Group: runacc Message: 1249 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 10/2/2005
Subject: Re: Photos, Model Releases and Rights Restrictions
Group: runacc Message: 1250 From: Kevin Roche Date: 10/5/2005
Subject: Costume-Con 26 is in business!

 


 

Group: runacc Message: 1201 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/21/2005
Subject: Re: Dealing with Janet Wilson-Anderson

In a message dated 6/20/2005 3:49:37 PM Central Daylight Time,
dave@techvoice.com writes:

> Third, because of the communications issues,etc.
>
> The same issue came up on Monday. In order to reach the 6PM deadline for
> teardown, several volunteers had to pitch in so she could be packed up
> ready to go.

Now that you mention those, I remember the same things with CC21.
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1202 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/21/2005
Subject: Re: Dealing with Janet Wilson-Anderson
Just to clarify on this specific point, if I ever run another CC, I’d love to
have Janet bring the Alteryears truck. Of course, I’d also like to see Ricky &
Karen in the dealers’ room, too.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1203 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/21/2005
Subject: Dealers’ Rooms: Locals vs. Out Of The Area Vendors
Charles mentioned something that sparked another thought I have about the
Dealers’ Room at a CC. I like to see some of the better known big name dealers,
like Janet/Alteryears or Ricky & Karen/Caslte Blood, but I also like seeing
local unique dealers that have things that people usually do not see at a CC.

The big key, in my opinion, is finding the balance, both dealer-wise and
area-wise. Before CC21, I talked to a Cowboy dealer who said he could bring a
truck slightly bigger than Janet’s. His business has good stuff,
http://www.riverjunction.com/, by the way, but taking up that much space is not good towards
other dealers. I was e-mailing to some people about trying to time a Milwaukee
CC with the big Bead & Button show that happens here,
http://www.beadandbuttonshow.com/, but wisely advised that having a CC at the same time as them might
but a big hurt on the dealers I had at CC.

So, I think that its a careful balance between Fame and Uniqueness and Area
vs. Quantity.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1204 From: David Doering Date: 6/21/2005
Subject: Re: Dealers’ Rooms: Locals vs. Out Of The Area Vendors

>Henry wrote:

“I also like seeing local unique dealers that have things that people
usually do not see at a CC.”

I agree. I think it is important to reach out to local vendors, first, as
you say, as a way of providing a different variety of goods. Another good
reason is as a way of leaving a legacy for having a CC in that area.
Everyone in Utah remembers the Olympics, in part because of the many
business and international contacts made. It would be good for local
businesses to remember how good the CC was. Finally, it serves as a boost
for any existing ICG chapter in the area–cross-promoting each other,
discounts, etc.

The challenge we found here in Ogden was in making the case financially to
the local vendors. Since they would have to keep both a storefront and the
dealer’s room table(s) staffed, it is harder for them than a Janet for
example, whose shop is the table(s) each weekend.

Also, a CC was an entirely unknown quantity to the vendors, having never
been to one nor seen the traffic/value of being at one.

Dave Doering

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Group: runacc Message: 1205 From: Charles Date: 6/21/2005
Subject: Re: Dealers’ Rooms: Locals vs. Out Of The Area Vendors
There are some other factors. I did call one local special effects make-up company, and they had been to CONduit, and not really sold anything. Although the market among costumers would have been better, it was still likely to be low — costumers tend to build their own stuff, rather than pay for custom work.

So, since many of the CC-23 attendees were from out-of-area, the sales needed to be at the event, or later mail-orders. The vendors did not expect the CC exposure to generate a lot of later local sales.

Charles

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Group: runacc Message: 1206 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/21/2005
Subject: Re: Dealers tables/membership question

I do not believe that does not include membership, presently.

Bruce

—– Original Message —–
From: “Ricky & Karen Dick” <castleb@pulsenet.com>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Dealers tables/membership question

> Does your $105 include one membership?
>
> –Karen
>
> At 05:07 PM 6/19/2005 -0500, you wrote:
> >We’re trying to make a decision on how much to charge for dealers table
for
> >CC25. Right now, we’re considering making tables $105 for a table (less
for
> >additional tables) and memberships about $65 for one and additional
> >memberships at a slightly reduced rate.
> >
> >We heard that CC24 has a rather low rate of $50 per table (no membership
> >included). Is this correct?
> >
> >We’d like opinions and stats on what the other committees have
charged/will
> >charge and whether our rates are too high, or about right.
> >
> >Bruce
> >
> >
> >
> >View the Document:
>
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Group: runacc Message: 1207 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/21/2005
Subject: Dealing with other dealers

—– Original Message —–
From: “David Doering” <dave@techvoice.com>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Dealing with Janet Wilson-Anderson

>
> >Charles wrote about numbers of dealers and such.

>
> We would have liked to have known something of other CC dealers rooms,
> particularly number of dealers compared with attendance. It’s probably
> impossible to find out, but trying to get some feedback from dealers as to
> “was it worth it?” might be key here. Can a 250-person CC support six
> dealers, eight dealers, what? What can a 500-person con do?
>

Had you asked I could probably supplied you with that info. I imagine Betsy
could have too. I think we had around 8 – 10 dealers for our approximate
$220 on-site attendees. From what I heard, most barely covered their costs.
But what was significant, and satisfying, was ttey had such a good time at
CC16 that they didn’t mind too much. I think Kathy Evans’ first CC was ours
and apparently she’s been sold on them ever since.

Bruce

 

Group: runacc Message: 1208 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/21/2005
Subject: Re: Dealing with other dealers

Not impossible to find – just time consuming right now. I have all the
programs from ALL the CCs with the exception (I think) of CC6. I can
reconstruct the dealer statistics by hand, though this should,
eventually, be an automatic process.

Anyone desiring stats like these should *ask me* for them.

Hint.

Betsy

Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> —– Original Message —–
> From: “David Doering” <dave@techvoice.com>
> To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 6:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [runacc] Dealing with Janet Wilson-Anderson
>
>
>
>>>Charles wrote about numbers of dealers and such.
>
>
>>We would have liked to have known something of other CC dealers rooms,
>>particularly number of dealers compared with attendance. It’s probably
>>impossible to find out, but trying to get some feedback from dealers as to
>>”was it worth it?” might be key here. Can a 250-person CC support six
>>dealers, eight dealers, what? What can a 500-person con do?
>>
>
>
>
> Had you asked I could probably supplied you with that info. I imagine Betsy
> could have too. I think we had around 8 – 10 dealers for our approximate
> $220 on-site attendees. From what I heard, most barely covered their costs.
> But what was significant, and satisfying, was ttey had such a good time at
> CC16 that they didn’t mind too much. I think Kathy Evans’ first CC was ours
> and apparently she’s been sold on them ever since.
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1209 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 6/22/2005
Subject: Re: Dealers’ Rooms: Locals vs. Out Of The Area Vendors
At CC 10, we persuaded a local independent fabric shop/sewing machine
dealer to come in to our dealer’s room. I don’t remember what our table
charge was, but I think they paid $400 or $500 for 4 tables plus a
full-page ad in the program book. It turned out she was pleased – she sold
3 machines, plus other stuff. I think we persuaded her to bring basics
also – scissors, thread, needles, stuff like that – since we didn’t have
stores nearby it would provide a way to get emergency supplies. I realize
that would be unusual most times, but this seemed to work. One of the
machine purchasers was Lisa Ashton, and yes, she had her machine shipped to
her.

We also had Classic Trims, which turned out to be sort-of local
(Minneapolis or Chicago -based, I think) but they have since sold the
company and I’m not sure what happened after that. Of course, we didn’t
know about Calontir Trim at the time……

Sandy

“Those Who Fail To Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly —
Why They Are Simply Doomed.

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C.Y. 4971

Andromeda

 

Group: runacc Message: 1210 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/25/2005
Subject: Re: Dealing with Janet Wilson-Anderson
Group: runacc Message: 1211 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/25/2005
Subject: Re: Dealing with Janet Wilson-Anderson
Just a FYI, I have been chatting with Janet via e-mails since CC23 about
patterns and stuff. She tells me that she is in the process of hiring some staff
for her business.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1212 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 7/7/2005
Subject: Video Masquerade?
Is CC24 or CC25 planning to try a video masquerade? We’re planning one.
Henry is our VMD. (No, it’s Enrique who’s a WMD.)

If there’s a Video Masquerade at CC25, I’d like to know when
submissions close so (like folio) we can announce we’re accepting
submissions immediately after 25’s closure.

The freedom and flexibility that video masquerade allows (because, like
the folio, only passing entries are shown) may make this competition
appealing to cosplayers and others who want longer time limits, the
right to speak (on camera, rather than on stage), and fancier
theatrical support.


andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
San Jose, CA – ’72 R75/5 ’86 R100 (mine) – ’92 K75sa ’03 R1150R
(Kevin’s)
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Group: runacc Message: 1213 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 7/7/2005
Subject: Re: Video Masquerade?

At this time, we have no plans for a video masquerade. That doesn’t mean we
couldn’t have them – just no one has expressed any interest.

Bruce

—– Original Message —–
From: “Andrew T Trembley” <attrembl@bovil.com>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 8:46 PM
Subject: [runacc] Video Masquerade?

> Is CC24 or CC25 planning to try a video masquerade? We’re planning one.
> Henry is our VMD. (No, it’s Enrique who’s a WMD.)
>
> If there’s a Video Masquerade at CC25, I’d like to know when
> submissions close so (like folio) we can announce we’re accepting
> submissions immediately after 25’s closure.
>
> The freedom and flexibility that video masquerade allows (because, like
> the folio, only passing entries are shown) may make this competition
> appealing to cosplayers and others who want longer time limits, the
> right to speak (on camera, rather than on stage), and fancier
> theatrical support.
>
> —
> andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
> San Jose, CA – ’72 R75/5 ’86 R100 (mine) – ’92 K75sa ’03 R1150R
> (Kevin’s)
> …remaining .sig trimmed for better message/.sig ratio
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1214 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 7/8/2005
Subject: Re: Video Masquerade?

Hi!!!

Take a little advice from the CC Chair who introduced the contest, and
advertise this AS SOON AS YOU CAN!!!

The more lead time folks have to produce their pieces, the more likely
you are to have more than a few entries.

Don’t wait. Really!

Betsy
(Wearing her CCXV hat for the first time in a LONG time!)

Andrew T Trembley wrote:

> Is CC24 or CC25 planning to try a video masquerade? We’re planning one.
> Henry is our VMD. (No, it’s Enrique who’s a WMD.)
>
> If there’s a Video Masquerade at CC25, I’d like to know when
> submissions close so (like folio) we can announce we’re accepting
> submissions immediately after 25’s closure.
>
> The freedom and flexibility that video masquerade allows (because, like
> the folio, only passing entries are shown) may make this competition
> appealing to cosplayers and others who want longer time limits, the
> right to speak (on camera, rather than on stage), and fancier
> theatrical support.
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1215 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 7/8/2005
Subject: Re: Video Masquerade?

In a message dated 7/8/2005 7:45:46 AM Central Daylight Time,
bdelaney@hawkeswood.com writes:

> …advertise this AS SOON AS YOU CAN!!!

I agree with Betsy, totally! And not because I’m CC26’s VMD! As someone who
used to work in television, I love the concept!

And I intend to have rules that encourage just about anyone to enter,
including staff for CC26! As soon as I flush out an idea I have, I’m going to put
together an example entry.

Henry
who just keeps volunteering for CC’s

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Group: runacc Message: 1216 From: Kevin Roche Date: 7/12/2005
Subject: CC26 paperwork update
We have ratified bylaws for the Unconventional Foundation. Hurrah!

And the ficititious business name and business license applications are
en route to the appropriate offices. Which means we *might* be able to
start selling supporting memberships in Glasgow.

Kevin

 

Group: runacc Message: 1217 From: Tina Connell Date: 7/12/2005
Subject: Re: CC26 paperwork update

Glad to hear it.

Speaking of paperwork, have the site selection checks from Utah been banked
yet? Just curious.

Tina

—– Original Message —–
From: “Kevin Roche” <kevin@twistedimage.com>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>; <cc26sv-staff@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 9:28 AM
Subject: [runacc] CC26 paperwork update

> We have ratified bylaws for the Unconventional Foundation. Hurrah!
>
> And the ficititious business name and business license applications are
> en route to the appropriate offices. Which means we *might* be able to
> start selling supporting memberships in Glasgow.
>
> Kevin
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1218 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 7/12/2005
Subject: I asked this question before…
Can the next couple of CCs please let me know ASAP what issues may arise
in fundraising for the Costume-Con Archives. I just received two very
large boxes full of donations from Kelly Turner, which I plan to bring
to at least Des Moines for the purpose of raffling or auctioning or some
other method of disposal to raise funds.

I want to be sure I understand the rules, and I have a fuzzy
recollection of talking with Sally about issues concerning raffles in Iowa.

Please let me know what’s up!

Thanks,

Betsy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1219 From: Kevin Roche Date: 7/12/2005
Subject: Re: CC26 paperwork update

No, they have not. Bit of bureaucracy bit me on the bum:
1) have to have the fictitious business name to bank checks made out to CC26
2) had to ratify UCF bylaws to apply for FBN and business license
3) #2 delayed by wedding and Westercon aka life
4) bank now informs me we can’t open the account until 30 days after FBN
and license are issued. (OUCH! what bit me?)

My bank officer is checking to see if she can bend the rules on #4 so I
can make the deposit sooner.
Color me embarassed, but I needed the time to get the wedding and W’Con
out of the way.

Kevin

Tina Connell wrote:

>Glad to hear it.
>
>Speaking of paperwork, have the site selection checks from Utah been banked
>yet? Just curious.
>
>Tina
>
>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1220 From: Tina Connell Date: 7/13/2005
Subject: Re: CC26 paperwork update

Well “life” (and silly banking regulations) explains it. I did wonder,
since I knew that ours hadn’t been cleared yet. Regarding bending rules,
you might want to ask your bank how many months after the check date they
will honor a check. If for some reason they won’t within the time frame you
are being forced to work with, we will be glad to issue a replacement for
ours.

Tina

—– Original Message —–
From: “Kevin Roche” <kevin@twistedimage.com>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] CC26 paperwork update

> No, they have not. Bit of bureaucracy bit me on the bum:
> 1) have to have the fictitious business name to bank checks made out to
> CC26
> 2) had to ratify UCF bylaws to apply for FBN and business license
> 3) #2 delayed by wedding and Westercon aka life
> 4) bank now informs me we can’t open the account until 30 days after FBN
> and license are issued. (OUCH! what bit me?)
>
> My bank officer is checking to see if she can bend the rules on #4 so I
> can make the deposit sooner.
> Color me embarassed, but I needed the time to get the wedding and W’Con
> out of the way.
>
> Kevin

 

Group: runacc Message: 1221 From: Kevin Roche Date: 7/21/2005
Subject: Promotion opportunity at Interaction
Andy and I will be hosting a League of Evil Geniuses reception in a
medium-sized function room Friday night at Interaction.

Any seated Costume-Cons or CC bids are certainly welcome to have
promotional material there.

Kevin

 

Group: runacc Message: 1222 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 7/21/2005
Subject: Re: Promotion opportunity at Interaction
Kevin,
When are you leaving for there?
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1223 From: Kevin Roche Date: 7/22/2005
Subject: Re: Promotion opportunity at Interaction

we leave the morning of August 1 (a week from Monday)

osierhenry@cs.com wrote:

>Kevin,
> When are you leaving for there?
> Henry
>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1224 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 7/22/2005
Subject: Re: Promotion opportunity at Interaction
Kevin,
I’ll try hard to get something to you before you go!
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1225 From: Kevin Roche Date: 7/22/2005
Subject: Re: Promotion opportunity at Interaction

we’re staying at the Hilton. You can always send it there care of us.
And that frees up weight in our luggage 😉

osierhenry@cs.com wrote:

>Kevin,
> I’ll try hard to get something to you before you go!
> Henry
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1226 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 7/22/2005
Subject: Re: Promotion opportunity at Interaction

In a message dated 7/22/2005 5:29:52 PM Central Daylight Time,
kevin@twistedimage.com writes:

> we’re staying at the Hilton. You can always send it there care of us.
> And that frees up weight in our luggage 😉

Will do that instead! Address is on the worldcon website, yes?
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1227 From: Kevin Roche Date: 7/22/2005
Subject: Re: Promotion opportunity at Interaction

*Be sure to mark it to me… guest arriving Aug 2, 2005!

Hilton Glasgow*
1 William Street, City Centre,
Glasgow, Strathclyde,
Scotland, G3 8HT
*Telephone:* +44 (0)141 204 5555
*Fax:* +44 (0)141 204 5004

Kevin

osierhenry@cs.com wrote:

>In a message dated 7/22/2005 5:29:52 PM Central Daylight Time,
>kevin@twistedimage.com writes:
>
>
>>we’re staying at the Hilton. You can always send it there care of us.
>>And that frees up weight in our luggage 😉
>>
>>
>Will do that instead! Address is on the worldcon website, yes?
>Henry
>
>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1228 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 7/23/2005
Subject: Re: Promotion opportunity at Interaction
You got it, Kevin!
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1229 From: Kevin Roche Date: 7/29/2005
Subject: Wahoo! Legality is a good thing.
We now have our San Jose business license and the ficticious business
name on file!

(complicated by the fact that another non-profit I helped incorporate is
STILL using my home as their address. I haven’t been on that board for a
year and a half. argh. They’ve been informed in no uncertain terms that
that they must file amendments asap, and the City of SJ graciously
allowed us to get the business license in the meantime.)

So, we won’t have the bank account before Interaction, but we are ready
to roll as soon as the CEO and CFO get back from Scotland. And we can
start the non-profit status applications for the IRS and CA Franchise
Tax board. Hurrah!

Kevin
only 3 days until departure!

PS oh, and in return for my organizing the half-time at Interaction,
they gave CC26 a free ad in the slide-show they are running at all the
major venue events. I included a bump for CC24 and CC25 in the ad.
PPS Karen, the service mark statement is in the fine print on that
slide, too (in the correct order this time)

 

Group: runacc Message: 1230 From: Kevin Roche Date: 7/29/2005
Subject: Re: Wahoo! Legality is a good thing.

oops. Can you spell “fictitious”. I knew you could. Sentiments still
apply 🙂

Kevin Roche wrote:

>We now have our San Jose business license and the ficticious business
>name on file!
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1231 From: Byron Connell Date: 7/31/2005
Subject: Re: Wahoo! Legality is a good thing.

You can’t have more than one business at an address in San Jose? That must put a bit of a crimp into office building rental!

See yo in Glasgow,

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: Kevin Roche<mailto:kevin@twistedimage.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com> ; cc26sv-staff@yahoogroups.com<mailto:cc26sv-staff@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 2:05 AM
Subject: [runacc] Wahoo! Legality is a good thing.

We now have our San Jose business license and the ficticious business
name on file!

(complicated by the fact that another non-profit I helped incorporate is
STILL using my home as their address. I haven’t been on that board for a
year and a half. argh. They’ve been informed in no uncertain terms that
that they must file amendments asap, and the City of SJ graciously
allowed us to get the business license in the meantime.)

So, we won’t have the bank account before Interaction, but we are ready
to roll as soon as the CEO and CFO get back from Scotland. And we can
start the non-profit status applications for the IRS and CA Franchise
Tax board. Hurrah!

Kevin
only 3 days until departure!

PS oh, and in return for my organizing the half-time at Interaction,
they gave CC26 a free ad in the slide-show they are running at all the
major venue events. I included a bump for CC24 and CC25 in the ad.
PPS Karen, the service mark statement is in the fine print on that
slide, too (in the correct order this time)

View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/<http://www.costume-con.org/procedure/runacc/>

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Group: runacc Message: 1232 From: Kevin Roche Date: 7/31/2005
Subject: Re: Wahoo! Legality is a good thing.

I believe the difficulty is that this is a *home* address and one is a
501(c)7 and the other is planning to apply for 501(c)3 status?

They did give us the license.

Kevin

Byron Connell wrote:

>You can’t have more than one business at an address in San Jose? That must put a bit of a crimp into office building rental!
>
>See yo in Glasgow,
>
>Byron
>
>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1233 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 8/15/2005
Subject: Re: Wahoo! Legality is a good thing.

On Jul 31, 2005, at 6:02 PM, Kevin Roche wrote:

> Byron Connell wrote:
>> You can’t have more than one business at an address in San Jose?
>> That must put a bit of a crimp into office building rental!
> I believe the difficulty is that this is a *home* address and one is a
> 501(c)7 and the other is planning to apply for 501(c)3 status?
>
> They did give us the license.

The address is a key field in their database.

For business space rentals, the physical address usually includes a
“suite number” or other sort of building information that makes the
address unique. They generally expect, if there are multiple names of
businesses operating at the precisely same address that it’s multiple
names for the same business.

They created a “suite number” for me when I registered the license.


andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
San Jose, CA – ’72 R75/5 ’86 R100 (mine) – ’92 K75sa ’03 R1150R
(Kevin’s)
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Group: runacc Message: 1234 From: georgialei Date: 8/20/2005
Subject: leftovers
We have a box full of leftover Future Fashio Folios from CC22. What
can we do with them? Are we allowed to give them away? Toss them? Any
thoughts would be welcome. Thanks –

TL

 

Group: runacc Message: 1235 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 8/20/2005
Subject: Re: leftovers

Your con paid for them, so you’re allowed to distribute them (or toss them)
as you will.

–Karen

At 03:42 PM 8/20/2005 +0000, you wrote:

>We have a box full of leftover Future Fashio Folios from CC22. What
>can we do with them? Are we allowed to give them away? Toss them? Any
>thoughts would be welcome. Thanks –
>
>TL
>
>
>
>
>
>View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1236 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 9/12/2005
Subject: Green Room goodies
Quick question:

Under whose budget does any Green Room snacks fall under?

Bruce

 

Group: runacc Message: 1237 From: David Doering Date: 9/12/2005
Subject: Re: Green Room goodies
Bruce:

You asked: “Under whose budget does any Green Room snacks fall under?”

For CC23, we put Green Room under the Masquerades Budget.

Dave Doering

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Group: runacc Message: 1238 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 9/12/2005
Subject: Re: Green Room goodies

On Sep 12, 2005, at 5:55 PM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> Quick question:
>
> Under whose budget does any Green Room snacks fall under?

Depends on how your org chart sorts out.

I believe our plan is to have a “show infrastructure” division that has
stage crew, green room crew, house crew, tech crew and all those common
functions grouped together. Therefore, in our budget, it would be in
the show infrastructure allocation.


andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
San Jose, CA – ’72 R75/5 ’86 R100 (mine) – ’92 K75sa ’03 R1150R
(Kevin’s)
“It’s not pink, it’s peach-colored. Pink is tacky.”
–Manfred Pfirsich Marie Rommel

2nd most important safety device on my bike: the one beneath my right
hand
Most important safety device on my bike: the one inside my helmet

 

Group: runacc Message: 1239 From: Byron Connell Date: 9/13/2005
Subject: Re: Green Room goodies

At 23, the Green Room food was under each masquerade’s budget. Most of the time, however, green room food is budgeted centrally, I believe. When I’ve run green rooms, I have preferred to negotiate with the concom rather than separately with each MD.

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: Bruce & Nora Mai<mailto:casamai@sbcglobal.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 8:55 PM
Subject: [runacc] Green Room goodies

Quick question:

Under whose budget does any Green Room snacks fall under?

Bruce

View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/<http://www.costume-con.org/procedure/runacc/>

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Group: runacc Message: 1240 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 9/19/2005
Subject: [Fwd: RE: [ICG-D] RIP Kelly Turner 1961-2005]
Hey, folks…

I don’t remember if there are any people on this list who aren’t on
ICG-D or who don’t have access to this information, but I thought it
would be a good idea to forward this information here.

On a personal note, Kelly’s birthday and mine are the same. He was two
years older than I am. Frell.

I will be adjusting Costume-Con.org to list his obituary and Bobby’s
(since I failed to deal with that when I should have), but please note
that we have adjusted the Service Mark statement in the ConStitution and
on the site, effective immediately.

Would those of you who are dealing with CC web sites please make the
appropriate changes at your earliest convenience? If there are any other
changes to make, we’ll let you know.

If you have any questions, please let me know.

Thanks,

Betsy

——– Original Message ——–
Subject: RE: [ICG-D] RIP Kelly Turner 1961-2005
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 13:47:10 -0400
From: Ricky & Karen Dick <castleb@pulsenet.com>
Reply-To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com
To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com

Kelly Turner, November 6, 1961-September 18, 2005

Kelly Turner passed away today after a brief and completely unexpected
illness. He was rushed to Irvine Medical Center on September 5th with an
extremely high temperature, extremely low blood pressure, and possible
organ damage. He remained in Intensive Care for several days while doctors
attempted to stabilize him and figure out what had happened. Despite their
best efforts, including dialysis to take the load off his organs, he fell
into a persistent vegetative state on September 13th, with no brain
activity. He had a Living Will and left explicit instructions that
extraordinary measures should not be taken to preserve his life, so life
support was withdrawn yesterday afternoon, in the presence of his family,
in accordance with his wishes. He passed peacefully in his sleep this
morning in the arms of his life partner.

Kelly is survived by his mother, Rosetta Turner, three older siblings, and
by his life partner, Tom Grossinger.

Cards and flowers may be sent to:

Mrs. Etta Turner
971 Bordon Road #153
San Marcos, CA 92069

Tom Grossinger
320 South 13th Street
San Jose, CA 95112

Plans for a memorial service are forthcoming, and will be announced here
when they are known.

Kelly was an active fan and costumer in the 70’s, 80’s, and early 90’s. He
was part of the crew that built the “V’Ger Flyby” sets for STAR TREK: THE
MOTION PICTURE in 1979. He worked on the committees of Costume-Con 1 and 2,
and chaired Costume-Con 6. He was Masquerade Director for the 1986
Westercon in San Diego. He was the managing editor of the first nine
editions of The Whole Costumer’s Catalogue. He also was the editor of
Costumer’s Quarterly for the ICG for several years. He competed in the
Master division, and his costume credits include THE EGYPTIAN GODS,
PYROGENESIS, TURN OF A FRIENDLY CARD, and NIGHT ON BALD MOUNTAIN. In real
life, Kelly worked in the video game industry. He started as a programmer
at the coin-op division of Atari in 1984 (his games included Super Sprint,
Vindicators, and Tetris). Over the last 20 years, he worked in virtually
every aspect of development and production at such companies as Atari, P.F.
Magic, Virgin Interactive, Rhythm & Hues, The 3DO Company, and Eidos. Most
recently, he was Executive Producer of external development at Eidos, Inc,
and sat on the Board of Governors of the Producer’s Guild of America’s New
Media Council.

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Betsy Delaney
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Group: runacc Message: 1241 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 9/28/2005
Subject: Today’s odd thought
I know that this idea has been tossed around a bit here and there. and
possibly here, but what is anyone’s thoughts about taking membership payments via
PayPal?

Henry Osier

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Group: runacc Message: 1242 From: John O’Halloran Date: 9/28/2005
Subject: Re: Today’s odd thought

Utah did it and I loved it.

I see lots of folks requesting to use paypal for many different
conventions and such.

JohnO

osierhenry@cs.com wrote:

> I know that this idea has been tossed around a bit here and there. and
> possibly here, but what is anyone’s thoughts about taking membership
> payments via
> PayPal?

 

Group: runacc Message: 1243 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 9/28/2005
Subject: Re: Today’s odd thought

On Sep 28, 2005, at 5:24 PM, osierhenry@cs.com wrote:

> I know that this idea has been tossed around a bit here and there. and
> possibly here, but what is anyone’s thoughts about taking membership
> payments via
> PayPal?

Set your rates to account for paypal fees, the people who want to will,
the people who don’t use paypal or hate paypal will send checks and you
get a few bucks bonus.

Oh, and have somebody carefully manage the paypal account and pull the
money out on a regular basis so if they decide to screw with you you’re
only out a small amount.


andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
San Jose, CA – ’72 R75/5 ’86 R100 (mine) – ’92 K75sa ’03 R1150R
(Kevin’s)
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Group: runacc Message: 1244 From: David Doering Date: 9/28/2005
Subject: Re: Today’s odd thought
osierhenry@cs.com wrote:

“…what is anyone’s thoughts about taking membership payments via PayPal?”

John wrote:

“Utah did it and I loved it.”

Speaking from our experience here in Utah then, I would say that it
almost is essential that either you use PayPal or another credit-card
accepting service. We had our first memberships come in on PayPal
within 24 hours of putting the service online. In the end, over 1/3
of our members used PayPal to sign up. (I guess many of us no longer
carry around checkbooks or will send cash in the mail.)

Also, it is dead simple to set up a PayPal account, so it shouldn’t
be a hassle.

Yes, it is true that they take 3% for their fees, but those could be
added in as a “convenience fee” without much objection. For CC23, we
simply included the fee as part of the membership.

Dave Doering
Chair
CC23: Utah

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Group: runacc Message: 1245 From: dave@techvoice.com Date: 9/29/2005
Subject: Re: Today’s odd thought

Andy wrote:

> Oh, and have somebody carefully manage the paypal account

Andy’s right. Unlike regular credit card/merchant accounts, PayPal is its
own unique program. So they can (and have) withdrawn money out of bank
accounts to refund people without consulting with the seller. They don’t
have a voice telephone, so negotiations have to go through their
electronic processes.

To protect our accounts, we created a specific PayPal Money Market account
at the bank to receive/make PayPal payments. We would then transfer funds
out anytime we had over $200.00 in it. Also, we would only put in
additional amounts as needed to make payments.

(For example, we used PayPal to rapidly handle expenses on the Future
Fashion Folio and keep on schedule.)

The other advantage of PayPal I didn’t mention is that there’s little
hassle in qualifying. Merchant accounts can be a problem setting up
locally because we have no track record and are only going to be putting
on the one event. Heavily promoted online credit card services can
sometimes be as bad as PayPal (not sending you the money, for example). At
least you can read about PayPal.

In the end, we never had a problem with PayPal, but it always could have
happened.

Dave Doering

 

Group: runacc Message: 1246 From: John O’Halloran Date: 10/1/2005
Subject: Photos, Model Releases and Rights Restrictions
This has been bouncing around some lists lately and has come to my
personal attention regarding my theater photography.

As part of general membership forms and masquerade/fff/event entry
forms, should a general model photo release to the CC be included
and/or rights restriction on other photographers be included?

Model Release to ease future CC promotion and archiving.

Rights Restriction, to keep others from profiting from an event we
provide, unless they share the profits with the CC.

Thoughts?

JohnO

 

Group: runacc Message: 1247 From: Martin Gear Date: 10/1/2005
Subject: Re: Photos, Model Releases and Rights Restrictions

John –
I have had a model release as a part of my masquerade registration forms
since the early 1980’s. I had not really thought of a Rights
Restriction” other than the stipulation/prohibition for the
photographers that forbid using the pictures for “Commercial Purposes”
which does not include the sale of their pictures. I’d be interested to
see what you come up with in the way of language for the rights restriction.

Marty

John O’Halloran wrote:

>This has been bouncing around some lists lately and has come to my
>personal attention regarding my theater photography.
>
>As part of general membership forms and masquerade/fff/event entry
>forms, should a general model photo release to the CC be included
>and/or rights restriction on other photographers be included?
>
>Model Release to ease future CC promotion and archiving.
>
>Rights Restriction, to keep others from profiting from an event we
>provide, unless they share the profits with the CC.
>
>Thoughts?
>
> JohnO
>
>
>
>
>View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1248 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 10/2/2005
Subject: Re: Photos, Model Releases and Rights Restrictions

In a message dated 10/1/2005 3:47:53 PM Central Daylight Time,
JohnO@TyeDye.Org writes:

> As part of general membership forms and masquerade/fff/event entry
> forms, should a general model photo release to the CC be included
> and/or rights restriction on other photographers be included?

At CC21, we had folks sign one when they got their membership. We figured
that this would cover people in the hall snapping photos, in case they put them
up on their own website.

Henry Osier
Co-Chair, CC21
who still keeps volunteering to work cons

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Group: runacc Message: 1249 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 10/2/2005
Subject: Re: Photos, Model Releases and Rights Restrictions

It would seem to me that we did some sort of blanket release form for
CCXV, but I could be misremembering.

I’m resurfacing after the close of the play. Got some cleaning up to do
(and a sick kid to deal with this week, in advance of her birthday
party), but I could see if resurrecting the paperwork might be possible
at some point.

Just let me know…

Thanks,

Betsy

osierhenry@cs.com wrote:

> In a message dated 10/1/2005 3:47:53 PM Central Daylight Time,
> JohnO@TyeDye.Org writes:
>
>>As part of general membership forms and masquerade/fff/event entry
>>forms, should a general model photo release to the CC be included
>>and/or rights restriction on other photographers be included?
>
> At CC21, we had folks sign one when they got their membership. We figured
> that this would cover people in the hall snapping photos, in case they put them
> up on their own website.
>
> Henry Osier
> Co-Chair, CC21
> who still keeps volunteering to work cons
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



Betsy Delaney
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http://www.hawkeswood.com/ * http://www.OutOftheBlackBox.org/
http://www.BarkingMad.org/ * http://www.sickpups.org/
http://www.Costume-Con.org/ * http://www.SchoolWithoutWalls.org/
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Group: runacc Message: 1250 From: Kevin Roche Date: 10/5/2005
Subject: Costume-Con 26 is in business!
Just a quick update for folks who’ve been wondering.

Today we surmounted the final paperwork hurdle and successfully opened
the CC26 bank account.

So to the 51 people who sent in voting fees — they are now happily
deposited.

Kevin

 

 

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Group: runacc Message: 1151 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/31/2005
Subject: Re: BaltiCon judges
Group: runacc Message: 1152 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 5/31/2005
Subject: Feeding judges
Group: runacc Message: 1153 From: David Doering Date: 5/31/2005
Subject: Re: BaltiCon judges
Group: runacc Message: 1154 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/31/2005
Subject: Re: BaltiCon judges
Group: runacc Message: 1155 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/31/2005
Subject: Re: Fw: CostumeCon Cosplayer report!
Group: runacc Message: 1156 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/31/2005
Subject: Re: Feeding judges
Group: runacc Message: 1157 From: John O’Halloran Date: 5/31/2005
Subject: Re: Fw: CostumeCon Cosplayer report!
Group: runacc Message: 1158 From: Katherine Date: 5/31/2005
Subject: Westercon
Group: runacc Message: 1159 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 6/2/2005
Subject: Re: Competing Down
Group: runacc Message: 1160 From: Kevin Roche Date: 6/2/2005
Subject: Re: Competing Down
Group: runacc Message: 1161 From: Charles Date: 6/2/2005
Subject: Re: Competing Down
Group: runacc Message: 1162 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 6/2/2005
Subject: Re: Competing Down
Group: runacc Message: 1163 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 6/2/2005
Subject: BayCon report posted…
Group: runacc Message: 1164 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 6/2/2005
Subject: Re: “Open” Division
Group: runacc Message: 1165 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/2/2005
Subject: Re: Competing Down
Group: runacc Message: 1166 From: martingear Date: 6/2/2005
Subject: Re: Competing Down
Group: runacc Message: 1167 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/2/2005
Subject: Re: Competing Down
Group: runacc Message: 1168 From: Kevin Roche Date: 6/2/2005
Subject: Re: Competing Down
Group: runacc Message: 1169 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 6/2/2005
Subject: Answers: Re: [runacc] Competing Down
Group: runacc Message: 1170 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/2/2005
Subject: Re: “Open” Division
Group: runacc Message: 1171 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/2/2005
Subject: Re: Competing Down
Group: runacc Message: 1172 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/2/2005
Subject: Re: Competing Down
Group: runacc Message: 1173 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 6/2/2005
Subject: Re: Answers: Re: [runacc] Competing Down
Group: runacc Message: 1174 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 6/2/2005
Subject: Re: Competing Down
Group: runacc Message: 1175 From: Tina Connell Date: 6/2/2005
Subject: Re: Competing Down
Group: runacc Message: 1176 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 6/3/2005
Subject: Re: Competing Down
Group: runacc Message: 1177 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 6/3/2005
Subject: Re: Competing Down
Group: runacc Message: 1178 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 6/3/2005
Subject: Re: Competing Down
Group: runacc Message: 1179 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 6/3/2005
Subject: Re: Competing Down
Group: runacc Message: 1180 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 6/3/2005
Subject: Re: Competing Down
Group: runacc Message: 1181 From: johalloran Date: 6/3/2005
Subject: Re: Fw: CostumeCon Cosplayer report!
Group: runacc Message: 1182 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/3/2005
Subject: Re: Fw: CostumeCon Cosplayer report!
Group: runacc Message: 1183 From: John O’Halloran Date: 6/3/2005
Subject: Re: Fw: CostumeCon Cosplayer report!
Group: runacc Message: 1184 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/3/2005
Subject: Re: Competing Down -varioius comments
Group: runacc Message: 1185 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/5/2005
Subject: Re: Competing Down -varioius comments
Group: runacc Message: 1186 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 6/6/2005
Subject: Re: Competing Down -varioius comments
Group: runacc Message: 1187 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/17/2005
Subject: A different perspective on Costume Contests
Group: runacc Message: 1188 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/19/2005
Subject: Dealers tables/membership question
Group: runacc Message: 1189 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/19/2005
Subject: Dealing with Janet Wilson-Anderson
Group: runacc Message: 1190 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 6/19/2005
Subject: Re: Dealers tables/membership question
Group: runacc Message: 1191 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 6/19/2005
Subject: Re: Dealing with Janet Wilson-Anderson
Group: runacc Message: 1192 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/20/2005
Subject: Re: Dealing with Janet Wilson-Anderson
Group: runacc Message: 1193 From: David Doering Date: 6/20/2005
Subject: Re: Dealing with Janet Wilson-Anderson
Group: runacc Message: 1194 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 6/20/2005
Subject: Re: Dealing with Janet Wilson-Anderson
Group: runacc Message: 1195 From: Tina Connell Date: 6/20/2005
Subject: Re: Dealing with Janet Wilson-Anderson
Group: runacc Message: 1196 From: Charles Date: 6/20/2005
Subject: Re: Dealing with Janet Wilson-Anderson
Group: runacc Message: 1197 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 6/20/2005
Subject: Re: Dealing with Janet Wilson-Anderson
Group: runacc Message: 1198 From: David Doering Date: 6/20/2005
Subject: Re: Dealing with Janet Wilson-Anderson
Group: runacc Message: 1199 From: Charles Date: 6/20/2005
Subject: Re: Dealing with Janet Wilson-Anderson
Group: runacc Message: 1200 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 6/21/2005
Subject: Re: Dealing with Janet Wilson-Anderson

 


 

Group: runacc Message: 1151 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/31/2005
Subject: Re: BaltiCon judges

In a message dated 5/31/2005 4:44:52 PM Central Daylight Time,
castleb@pulsenet.com writes:

> The MD chose to wait until the celebrity returned and then
> started the masquerade late. I’m not sure that was the proper course of
> action.

I have heard of that sort of thing happening, but have never experienced it.

A few years ago at WindyCon in Chicago, the Fan GoH’s were Masq judges. They
were husband and wife and that made for a major delay in the middle of the
masquerade.

Henry Osier
CostumeCon 28 in Milwaukee in 2010

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Group: runacc Message: 1152 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 5/31/2005
Subject: Feeding judges
This is a hazy memory (meaning I’d have to go and check my records and
my facts), but I am recalling that we budgeted dollars for feeding at
least the Historical judges dinner the day of the masquerade at CCXV. I
don’t think we extended the courtesy to the SF panel, mostly because
they weren’t judging all weekend.

I could be wrong. Your mileage may vary. Et cetera…

-b

 

Group: runacc Message: 1153 From: David Doering Date: 5/31/2005
Subject: Re: BaltiCon judges

>Our worst experiences here in Salt Lake have been three:

>1. The “no-show” GoH, where we quickly substituted a Guild member on the
>panel at show time

2. The GoH who remarked during the event “if I see another d***ed kid in a
Star Wars outfit…” right after the child’s performance. I am not sure if
it was something they had for dinner or just weary of seeing similar costumes.

In the latter case, there wasn’t anything to do but continue the show, then
provide reassurance to the entrant about the outburst.

3. The GoH who just _knew_ how judging should happen and pulled rank on
everyone to make the judging go their way.

All we could do here was to add their name to the informal “Never Ask
Again” List (anyone else out there have such a list? Might be interesting
to share notes.)

Often, the ConCom likes to include the GoH(s) as a way of enhancing
participation in the masquerade. (The thinking is, I believe that they are
the GoH and getting an award from them should mean much more than getting
one just from some local costumers.)

Dave Doering

 

Group: runacc Message: 1154 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/31/2005
Subject: Re: BaltiCon judges

On May 31, 2005, at 2:55 PM, David Doering wrote:

> All we could do here was to add their name to the informal “Never Ask
> Again” List (anyone else out there have such a list? Might be
> interesting
> to share notes.)

I think this is a quiet and private enough list that we could post
these sorts of comments here without incident.

Artists (since I tend to get ArtGOHs on panels with me)
Theresa Mather: Total joy to judge with
Jael: Total joy to judge with
Frank Wu: Good judge, not sure he was really having fun with it, but
good

Authors:
Karen Anderson: Good judge, but she hates doing it, so don’t ask her.


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Group: runacc Message: 1155 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/31/2005
Subject: Re: Fw: CostumeCon Cosplayer report!

On May 26, 2005, at 11:46 AM, Bruno wrote:

> I had one of the young anime costumers that came out from CO, write up
> some feedback on her impressions and experiences at CC. The first
> part is directed at other cosplayers, but does provide some insight on
> how this generation thinks and feels about costuming. I’m sure that
> there are some nuggets of wisdom here, which can be used to help
> bridge the gap between the CC and Cosplay generations.

Can someone get back to her that actually, most of us are fans? We’re
just not all anime fans, and those of us who are anime fans aren’t
exclusively anime fans.

Jack Krolak made a comment when we were riding the shuttle back to the
airport, and I think this somewhat supports it. Cosplayers expect to be
mobbed in the halls by adoring fans. They expect to be stopped for
photographs in the halls every 10 feet.


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Group: runacc Message: 1156 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/31/2005
Subject: Re: Feeding judges

On May 31, 2005, at 6:08 PM, Betsy Delaney wrote:

> This is a hazy memory (meaning I’d have to go and check my records and
> my facts), but I am recalling that we budgeted dollars for feeding at
> least the Historical judges dinner the day of the masquerade at CCXV. I
> don’t think we extended the courtesy to the SF panel, mostly because
> they weren’t judging all weekend.

Feed judges. Doesn’t matter what panel. Better to spend a few bucks
than find during the masquerade you’ve got hungry judges.

Judges’ Dinner (for both F&SF panels) is a good time to have a judges’
meeting with the MD and clerks to discuss the judging instructions and
rules.

For historical, the judges and clerks are going to be together most of
the weekend, so it should be possible to discuss instructions and rules
at some other time, but they’re going to be together all weekend, and
they need to make sure they’re not judging on low blood-sugar.


andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
San Jose, CA – ’72 R75/5 ’86 R100 (mine) – ’92 K75sa ’03 R1150R
(Kevin’s)
“It’s not pink, it’s peach-colored. Pink is tacky.”
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Group: runacc Message: 1157 From: John O’Halloran Date: 5/31/2005
Subject: Re: Fw: CostumeCon Cosplayer report!

A friend’s teen daughter noted that too, last night (Mon) at dinner.

2 pictures were taken of her at Baycon.

She was stopped before she even got in the doors of Fanime and continued
to be stopped for pictures for all the time they were there.

JohnO

http://www.baycon.org – SF Bay area mainstream con.
http://www.fanime.com – SF Bay area anime con.

Andrew T Trembley wrote:

> Jack Krolak made a comment when we were riding the shuttle back to the
> airport, and I think this somewhat supports it. Cosplayers expect to be
> mobbed in the halls by adoring fans. They expect to be stopped for
> photographs in the halls every 10 feet.
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1158 From: Katherine Date: 5/31/2005
Subject: Westercon

Andy, Kevin,

Please P.M. me at kathnbiz@telusplanet.net re: costume-related programming and promotion of CC at Westercon.
I apologise for using this forum, but I don’t have an e-mail address for either of you.

— Katherine Bonham

—– Original Message —–
From: Andrew T Trembley
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Feeding judges

On May 31, 2005, at 6:08 PM, Betsy Delaney wrote:
> This is a hazy memory (meaning I’d have to go and check my records and
> my facts), but I am recalling that we budgeted dollars for feeding at
> least the Historical judges dinner the day of the masquerade at CCXV. I
> don’t think we extended the courtesy to the SF panel, mostly because
> they weren’t judging all weekend.

Feed judges. Doesn’t matter what panel. Better to spend a few bucks
than find during the masquerade you’ve got hungry judges.

Judges’ Dinner (for both F&SF panels) is a good time to have a judges’
meeting with the MD and clerks to discuss the judging instructions and
rules.

For historical, the judges and clerks are going to be together most of
the weekend, so it should be possible to discuss instructions and rules
at some other time, but they’re going to be together all weekend, and
they need to make sure they’re not judging on low blood-sugar.


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San Jose, CA – ’72 R75/5 ’86 R100 (mine) – ’92 K75sa ’03 R1150R
(Kevin’s)
“It’s not pink, it’s peach-colored. Pink is tacky.”
–Manfred Pfirsich Marie Rommel

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Group: runacc Message: 1159 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 6/2/2005
Subject: Re: Competing Down
Last weekend, someone who won an award at Costume-Con (international level)
competed their costume again at Balticon (regional level).

This practice was dubbed “competing down” in the 1980’s, and is generally
considered Very Poor Form. (Up is always OK, sideways is OK if you don’t do
10 conventions in the same year and bore everyone, down is a no-no.)

In defense of the contestant, I’m not even sure they knew this, although
they are a long-time costumer and should know better.

Unfortunately, it has never really been spelled out anywhere that once you
win at WorldCon or Costume-Con, you really should enter “Not In
Competition” if you want to show off your costume to the home crowd. There
has been an “honor system,” and most folks who are aware of it have adhered
to it, but nothing is formally written down.

I have suggested to Marty Gear that there be language in future Balticon
masquerade rules that
“If you’ve won a prize with your costume at Costume-Con or WorldCon, you
may show your costume in the masquerade, but must enter Not In Competition.”

This verbiage could certainly be applied to other large regionals such as
Arisia, Lunacon, Baycon, and Westercon.

Conversely, to help reinforce the idea, it would help if WorldCon and
Costume-Con had verbiage somewhere that “After you’ve won an award in our
masquerade, you should enter your costume as Not In Competition if you want
to go home and show off your work in your local or regional convention.”

When Balticon was on Easter weekend, it typically fell BEFORE Costume-Con
and costumers could “run up the ladder” with an entry over a period of
several months (competing at Balticon – Costume-Con – WorldCon). Now that
Balticon is on Memorial Day weekend, the sequence is out of order in terms
of the scale of the convention.

There’s a similar problem on the West Coast, where Costume-Con is in the
wrong order with respect to both Baycon and Westercon. So you can do
Costume-Con – Worldcon or Baycon – Westercon – Worldcon.

Let’s see what we can do to get some consistent verbiage into Costume-Con
pubs / masquerade rules on this subject.

–Karen

 

Group: runacc Message: 1160 From: Kevin Roche Date: 6/2/2005
Subject: Re: Competing Down

I’ve always referred to it as “sandbagging”.

The exception to what you are suggesting (and I agree, it is Very Poor
Form) is if you won an award in one of the “protected”
divisions and re-entered it in a more open division.

At a small convention, even that would be VPF, but at Baycon, with 2400
attendees, someone who won a (non-Best-in-Division) Novice or self-made
Young Fan award at CC and chose to enter it at BayCon in the
Open/Advanced division (Baycon only has 2 adult divisions) might not be
sandbagging at all.

A few years ago we had a WORLDCON winner entered at Baycon. She didn’t
win an award, but we did give her one of the SF art books donated by the
dealer’s room as inspirational source material (I’ll note that we had a
LOT of prize donations for that particular masquerade, so giving her one
did not prevent us from giving award winners merchandise prizes as well).

Kevin

Ricky & Karen Dick wrote:

>Last weekend, someone who won an award at Costume-Con (international level)
>competed their costume again at Balticon (regional level).
>
>This practice was dubbed “competing down” in the 1980’s, and is generally
>considered Very Poor Form. (Up is always OK, sideways is OK if you don’t do
>10 conventions in the same year and bore everyone, down is a no-no.)
>
>In defense of the contestant, I’m not even sure they knew this, although
>they are a long-time costumer and should know better
>
>

<remainder elided for brevity>

>Let’s see what we can do to get some consistent verbiage into Costume-Con
>pubs / masquerade rules on this subject.
>
>–Karen
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1161 From: Charles Date: 6/2/2005
Subject: Re: Competing Down

I think we have an example of what Kevin is saying, at our recent CONduit.

One of the CC-23 (I’d have to look up the award details) took the same entry, and competed at “Masters” catagory (which I am also now forced to compete at — and I know she’s comparable to my level) — but she is not “Masters” at Costume-Con.

We had no problem with her competing with that costume (at that level) at CONduit. And she added to the show in the advanced divisions, since many of the rest of us were taking a break (or running the masquerade).

But we have had to help inform our locals, what level they need to compete in, both in CONduit, and in CC-23. I don’t think it is always immediately obvious to them.

Charles

—– Original Message —–
From: Kevin Roche
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Competing Down

I’ve always referred to it as “sandbagging”.

The exception to what you are suggesting (and I agree, it is Very Poor
Form) is if you won an award in one of the “protected”
divisions and re-entered it in a more open division.

At a small convention, even that would be VPF, but at Baycon, with 2400
attendees, someone who won a (non-Best-in-Division) Novice or self-made
Young Fan award at CC and chose to enter it at BayCon in the
Open/Advanced division (Baycon only has 2 adult divisions) might not be
sandbagging at all.

A few years ago we had a WORLDCON winner entered at Baycon. She didn’t
win an award, but we did give her one of the SF art books donated by the
dealer’s room as inspirational source material (I’ll note that we had a
LOT of prize donations for that particular masquerade, so giving her one
did not prevent us from giving award winners merchandise prizes as well).

Kevin

Ricky & Karen Dick wrote:

>Last weekend, someone who won an award at Costume-Con (international level)
>competed their costume again at Balticon (regional level).
>
>This practice was dubbed “competing down” in the 1980’s, and is generally
>considered Very Poor Form. (Up is always OK, sideways is OK if you don’t do
>10 conventions in the same year and bore everyone, down is a no-no.)
>
>In defense of the contestant, I’m not even sure they knew this, although
>they are a long-time costumer and should know better
>
>
<remainder elided for brevity>

>Let’s see what we can do to get some consistent verbiage into Costume-Con
>pubs / masquerade rules on this subject.
>
>–Karen
>

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Group: runacc Message: 1162 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 6/2/2005
Subject: Re: Competing Down

At 12:07 PM 6/2/2005 -0700, you wrote:

>The exception to what you are suggesting (and I agree, it is Very Poor
>Form) is if you won an award in one of the “protected”
>divisions and re-entered it in a more open division.

Balticon entrant entered in the same division as at CC-23, and it was NOT
Craftsman/Master/Open/Advanced.

–Karen

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Group: runacc Message: 1163 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 6/2/2005
Subject: BayCon report posted…
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Group: runacc Message: 1164 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 6/2/2005
Subject: Re: “Open” Division
Service Mark Holder says:

“Please don’t use a skill division scheme using ‘Open’ as the name of the
unprotected division at any convention called Costume-Con.”

I’ll write it into the ConStitution if I have to. Please don’t make me.

Beginning, Intermediate, and Advanced are fine names if we can’t live with
Novice, Journeyman, and Master anymore.

But “Open” is trying so hard not to be a politically and emotionally loaded
name that I feel it is too far in the other direction–it is meaningless
and even more confusing. “I got an award in the Open Division” requires a
lot of additional explanation to friends and relatives, when “I got an
award in the Master or Advanced Division” says a lot more in one sentence
about the difficulty of the competition and the skills required to get a
prize, even to people unfamiliar with our community, or people unfamiliar
with costuming within the S/F community.

–Karen

 

Group: runacc Message: 1165 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/2/2005
Subject: Re: Competing Down
Is this already addressed in the ICG guidelines? Is that enough, or is it
felt that it needs to be dictated to each MD at the International level by
the Con Chairs? Most of those International venues are usually run by Guild
people, who should know better. Just throwin’ that out there…

Bruce

 

Group: runacc Message: 1166 From: martingear Date: 6/2/2005
Subject: Re: Competing Down

Bruce –
I’m one of those people who “invented” the Division system and
contributed to the initial version of the ICG guidelines. For several
reasons I missed it at a masquerade that I have been running for 25
years and pretty much by the “ICG guidelines” since they were first
promulgated. I really think that it should be “carved in stone” so that
it isn’t accidentally missed.

Marty

Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

>Is this already addressed in the ICG guidelines? Is that enough, or is it
>felt that it needs to be dictated to each MD at the International level by
>the Con Chairs? Most of those International venues are usually run by Guild
>people, who should know better. Just throwin’ that out there…
>
>Bruce
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Group: runacc Message: 1167 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/2/2005
Subject: Re: Competing Down

The ICG Masquerade Guidelines do include the following: “11. A costume that has won a major award at the international level [defined as Worldcons and Costume-Cons] is no longer eligible to compete at any level.” This provision was included, I believe, out of a concern for fairness to entrants at regional and local masquerades; however, masquerade directors by and large seem not to have accepted/adopted this recommended policy. That suggests that it may not be in tune with the present day in running regional masquerades, which is where the problem occurs (rather than at the international level). Is Andy’s committee retaining a similar provision in the proposed re-write of the ICG Guidelines?

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: Ricky & Karen Dick<mailto:castleb@pulsenet.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Competing Down

Last weekend, someone who won an award at Costume-Con (international level)
competed their costume again at Balticon (regional level).

This practice was dubbed “competing down” in the 1980’s, and is generally
considered Very Poor Form. (Up is always OK, sideways is OK if you don’t do
10 conventions in the same year and bore everyone, down is a no-no.)

In defense of the contestant, I’m not even sure they knew this, although
they are a long-time costumer and should know better.

Unfortunately, it has never really been spelled out anywhere that once you
win at WorldCon or Costume-Con, you really should enter “Not In
Competition” if you want to show off your costume to the home crowd. There
has been an “honor system,” and most folks who are aware of it have adhered
to it, but nothing is formally written down.

I have suggested to Marty Gear that there be language in future Balticon
masquerade rules that
“If you’ve won a prize with your costume at Costume-Con or WorldCon, you
may show your costume in the masquerade, but must enter Not In Competition.”

This verbiage could certainly be applied to other large regionals such as
Arisia, Lunacon, Baycon, and Westercon.

Conversely, to help reinforce the idea, it would help if WorldCon and
Costume-Con had verbiage somewhere that “After you’ve won an award in our
masquerade, you should enter your costume as Not In Competition if you want
to go home and show off your work in your local or regional convention.”

When Balticon was on Easter weekend, it typically fell BEFORE Costume-Con
and costumers could “run up the ladder” with an entry over a period of
several months (competing at Balticon – Costume-Con – WorldCon). Now that
Balticon is on Memorial Day weekend, the sequence is out of order in terms
of the scale of the convention.

There’s a similar problem on the West Coast, where Costume-Con is in the
wrong order with respect to both Baycon and Westercon. So you can do
Costume-Con – Worldcon or Baycon – Westercon – Worldcon.

Let’s see what we can do to get some consistent verbiage into Costume-Con
pubs / masquerade rules on this subject.

–Karen

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Group: runacc Message: 1168 From: Kevin Roche Date: 6/2/2005
Subject: Re: Competing Down

(Andy may post this, too)

From our current working draft, in the section “General Competition
Guidelines”: (these are guidelines for the Masquerade Director)
——————————————————

Masquerade audiences (and directors and judges) rarely like to see the
same costume over and over again year after year. To prevent this from
happening, it’s not uncommon for masquerade directors to implement some
version of the “rerun rule.” It’s not just audience boredom, though,
that drives masquerade directors to do this; there are questions of
fairness associated with it.

It’s unsporting to enter a costume that has won a major award in a
larger masquerade with relatively stiff competition in the same division
at a smaller masquerade with less competition. This is often
disparagingly referred to as “sandbagging.”

As masquerade director, it’s your decision that will determine whether a
costume can be entered in your masquerade. We feel that there are
circumstances where costumes may be entered in multiple competitions:

* A costume that has not won an award in competition may be entered
in another masquerade.
* A costume that has won a major award may be entered again in a
competition of similar size at the discretion of the masquerade
director (usually if the audience, judges and slate of competitors
are significantly different).
* A costume that has won a major award in competition may be entered
again in a larger competition.

A costume that has won a competitive award (see Judging Guidelines) in
international competition should not be entered in competition at any
other masquerade.

Fairness concerns about repeat entries may be offset if the competitor
is willing to enter the costume in a more experienced skill division.

If you determine it would not be fair to enter a costume in competition
in any division, please consider allowing the entrant to present the
costume as an exhibition entry.

—————————————————————–

Byron Connell wrote:

>The ICG Masquerade Guidelines do include the following: “11. A costume that has won a major award at the international level [defined as Worldcons and Costume-Cons] is no longer eligible to compete at any level.” This provision was included, I believe, out of a concern for fairness to entrants at regional and local masquerades; however, masquerade directors by and large seem not to have accepted/adopted this recommended policy. That suggests that it may not be in tune with the present day in running regional masquerades, which is where the problem occurs (rather than at the international level). Is Andy’s committee retaining a similar provision in the proposed re-write of the ICG Guidelines?
>
>Byron
>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1169 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 6/2/2005
Subject: Answers: Re: [runacc] Competing Down
Answer 1: The guidelines revise does not rename divisions. Renaming
divisions won’t happen in this submission. It may never happen. Don’t
worry about it now.

Answer 2: The guidelines revise does still cover sandbagging, in a bit
more detail than the current version.

Here’s our difficulty, and it’s a general logistical issue, not a
Costume-Con or a ICG issue. Neither the ICG nor Costume-Con has
ownership over regional and local competitions.

Person competes at Costume-Con. Masquerade rules say no sandbagging.
Fine. Just about the only thing that would violate that rule would be
something that won a big award at WorldCon or a previous CC. Costume
entered wins “best novice.”

Person competes again at Balticon. Masquerade rules say nothing about
sandbagging. Entering in BaltiCon with the CC winner isn’t against the
rules, even though we believe it’s unethical. The CC rules don’t apply
at Balticon. The Balticon rules apply at Balticon.

I agree that the Balticon rules (and Westercon rules, and BayCon rules)
should include these clauses. But we’re back to the logistical issue.
In most conventions, the concom doesn’t care about much more than how
long the masquerade will take, how much space it needs and what the
tech budget is. Rules can shift greatly when a new MD comes in. Rules
do shift greatly in traveling cons, they even shift a bit each year at
CC as new MDs rewrite them. Most concoms don’t want to try to balance
between the MDs creative freedom and maintaining continuity even if
they knew what they were doing.

Many of us, particularly when asked to judge locally, do push the MDs
to add these clauses if we don’t see them. Afterwards, we point out to
the MD when we make a decision we’re not happy with because someone
does something questionable that’s not a rule violation. Or we just
make a decision on the ethics of the situation, and let the MD know
afterwards.


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Group: runacc Message: 1170 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/2/2005
Subject: Re: “Open” Division

I agree.

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: Ricky & Karen Dick<mailto:castleb@pulsenet.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] “Open” Division

Service Mark Holder says:

“Please don’t use a skill division scheme using ‘Open’ as the name of the
unprotected division at any convention called Costume-Con.”

I’ll write it into the ConStitution if I have to. Please don’t make me.

Beginning, Intermediate, and Advanced are fine names if we can’t live with
Novice, Journeyman, and Master anymore.

But “Open” is trying so hard not to be a politically and emotionally loaded
name that I feel it is too far in the other direction–it is meaningless
and even more confusing. “I got an award in the Open Division” requires a
lot of additional explanation to friends and relatives, when “I got an
award in the Master or Advanced Division” says a lot more in one sentence
about the difficulty of the competition and the skills required to get a
prize, even to people unfamiliar with our community, or people unfamiliar
with costuming within the S/F community.

–Karen

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Group: runacc Message: 1171 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/2/2005
Subject: Re: Competing Down

The problem isn’t at the international-level masquerades; it’s at the regional/local level masquerades. A Worldcon or CC Masquerade Director has no power to control what a winner at that masquerade may do at some later event. If there is a need to control sandbagging — and it does appear that there is such a need — it has to be done through the rules adopted by regional and local MDs. The ICG Guidelines do explicitly address this; however, regional and local MDs appear not to have adopted that recommended practice. How do we educate them on the need to do so?

Byron

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Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Competing Down

Is this already addressed in the ICG guidelines? Is that enough, or is it
felt that it needs to be dictated to each MD at the International level by
the Con Chairs? Most of those International venues are usually run by Guild
people, who should know better. Just throwin’ that out there…

Bruce

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Group: runacc Message: 1172 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/2/2005
Subject: Re: Competing Down

As Andy has pointed out, the revised Guidelines do discuss this topic.
And they are specifically designed so that MDs who are not at the
International level may also choose to use them.

I recommended this before and I will do so again: The current revision
(not submitted yet to the BOD for approval) is at

http://www.costume.org/guidelines-committee/draft2.html

Andy and I are working on the third/final draft, to be presented to the
ICG BOD very soon for approval. Once we present our draft to the BOD,
they will have to determine what to do with it. As a BOD member, it’s my
intention to move that the ICG adopt the revised document, replacing the
existing version.

So, if you have an opinion regarding what this document has to say, now
would be a Very Good Time to provide your input. Like, now!

Once the new document is out there, it will then be the ICG’s
responsibility to deal with getting the word out. The ICG Newsletter
will help, in that regard, but individual ICG members must also bear
some responsibility, since they are the ones who are involved in the
cons that may choose to employ the guidelines in managing masquerades.

As for the individual in question… Did Balticon’s masquerade rules
have a stipulation against competing costumes in this way? If not, then
the costumer in question may have employed questionable ethics but
violated no actual rules. It’s an important distinction. Sitting on the
Devil’s side of things for a moment: If the rules aren’t there, but
there’s an “unwritten” rule against something, how is one to know if one
has not been active in costuming for a while?

In this particular case (yes, I know who it was), I know she’s been out
of costuming for the better part of 10 years. And when she was active,
she wasn’t one of the folks I’d call Active (with a big A). She’s just
getting back in again. Do we casually mention the subject on ICG-D and
thus cause potential ickiness? Nah, I don’t think so. Can we assume that
everyone who competes knows the unwritten rules? Uh-uh. That’s what
masquerade rules are for.

So, as I said, it would be a Real Good Time to read what we’re proposing
so that people are clear on the concept. After we propose, the changes
may well replace what’s there now, and that could happen by the end of
this coming July.

Going back to finishing my last three big projects before catching up
the CC site…

Betsy

Byron Connell wrote:

> The problem isn’t at the international-level masquerades; it’s at the regional/local level masquerades. A Worldcon or CC Masquerade Director has no power to control what a winner at that masquerade may do at some later event. If there is a need to control sandbagging — and it does appear that there is such a need — it has to be done through the rules adopted by regional and local MDs. The ICG Guidelines do explicitly address this; however, regional and local MDs appear not to have adopted that recommended practice. How do we educate them on the need to do so?
>
> Byron
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> felt that it needs to be dictated to each MD at the International level by
> the Con Chairs? Most of those International venues are usually run by Guild
> people, who should know better. Just throwin’ that out there…
>
> Bruce
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Group: runacc Message: 1173 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 6/2/2005
Subject: Re: Answers: Re: [runacc] Competing Down

At 05:50 PM 6/2/2005 -0700, you wrote:

>I agree that the Balticon rules (and Westercon rules, and BayCon rules)
>should include these clauses. But we’re back to the logistical issue.
>In most conventions, the concom doesn’t care about much more than how
>long the masquerade will take, how much space it needs and what the
>tech budget is. Rules can shift greatly when a new MD comes in. Rules
>do shift greatly in traveling cons, they even shift a bit each year at
>CC as new MDs rewrite them. Most concoms don’t want to try to balance
>between the MDs creative freedom and maintaining continuity even if
>they knew what they were doing.

On the east coast, there is a very consistent “pool” of MDs, and I believe
it would not be hard to implement a written “no sandbagging” rule at a lot
of conventions. In fandom, if you do something three times, it tends to
become tradition, so each MD just has to make sure the “no sandbagging”
clause gets into the masquerade rules three years in a row.

I am blessed/cursed with my dad’s ability to see the “big picture,” often
in utopian terms, and that is why some of the issues discussed here have
broader implications than Costume-Con. I’m hoping that if I throw something
out there that’s worthy of consideration, some of you who are also present
or future masquerade MD’s at whatever con ( as well as being
committeepeople from Costume-Con) will look at it and say, “Hey, that’s a
good idea and I’ll try implementing it at THIS con.”

Fans being fans, and fancons being fancons, this will *never* be
standardized, and I know it, but I’ve always been concerned with the ethics
of masquerades and competitions and trying to make things as fair as
possible for the competitors. And this just seems like it should be a “gimme.”

–Karen

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Group: runacc Message: 1174 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 6/2/2005
Subject: Re: Competing Down

I agree that the international level competitions do not typically have
sandbagging problems.

However, they *create* masquerade winners that have the potential to become
sandbagging problems at local and regional cons.

In the spirit of cooperation, and as a favor to the “feeder system” of cons
that supply them their entrants, it would not hurt either WorldCon or
Costume-Con to publish a couple of lines in the Masquerade section of their
PRs about not sandbagging your local con after you’ve won at this one. I
know it’s talking about future actions and therefore not binding. But maybe
it’ll plant the seeds in people’s heads so it doesn’t come as a surprise
when they see a “no sandbagging” rule at their local or regional con back home.

I really want to do a “costuming ethics” panel at some future CC, but I
swear it would be ill-attended because it is not a “fun” topic. But it is
so badly needed…

–Karen

At 05:14 PM 6/2/2005 -0500, you wrote:

>Is this already addressed in the ICG guidelines? Is that enough, or is it
>felt that it needs to be dictated to each MD at the International level by
>the Con Chairs? Most of those International venues are usually run by Guild
>people, who should know better. Just throwin’ that out there…
>
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Group: runacc Message: 1175 From: Tina Connell Date: 6/2/2005
Subject: Re: Competing Down
I’ve just been reading on this topic, not contributing, so far. However…

(my 2 cents worth): when Sue DeG. was beating the bushes for costumes
several years ago for Lunacon, I agreed to display my Harlequin costume that
had won a novice (best recreation) award at CC8, as an “out of competition”
costume. At the time, there were some questions from some of the audience
because it didn’t get an award. It would be helpful, if a costume is
entered “out of competition,” if the MC or someone could make it clear that
there is a reason for doing so (i.e., it won a major award elsewhere).
We’ve also displayed Byron’s costume from the (Best in Show) Amber group at
Toronto Worldcon at our local con (Albacon) out of competition, because,
again, they really wanted stuff up on stage. In that instance, we made
sure that it was explained that it had won elsewhere, and was for display
purposes.

Frankly, I think that it would be good for the costuming and con-attending
community if more people could get a look at “international” winning
costumes, since a lot of fans don’t make it to WorldCon and/or CC. What
they need to know is that it is for their enjoyment, not for the ego-boo of
the costumer trying to win another award.

Tina

 

Group: runacc Message: 1176 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 6/3/2005
Subject: Re: Competing Down

Absolutely agree with everything you said.

–Karen

At 11:39 PM 6/2/2005 -0400, you wrote:

>IFrankly, I think that it would be good for the costuming and con-attending
>community if more people could get a look at “international” winning
>costumes, since a lot of fans don’t make it to WorldCon and/or CC. What
>they need to know is that it is for their enjoyment, not for the ego-boo of
>the costumer trying to win another award.

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Group: runacc Message: 1177 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 6/3/2005
Subject: Re: Competing Down

And then there was the Midwest costumer who entered Minicon (regional –
when it still had a masquerade) as a novice, and won, then brought it to
CC, entered in Journeyman, and won, then took it to Worldcon, entered it in
Master, and won. Novice to Master in 5 months. And I don’t think any of
them was sandbagging, in retrospect, given the other costumes entered and
the relative size. Yes, CC and WC are technically equal, but some are more
equal than others (small CC and large WC).

Just an observation.

Sandy

At 02:07 PM 6/2/2005, you wrote:

>The exception to what you are suggesting (and I agree, it is Very Poor
>Form) is if you won an award in one of the “protected”
>divisions and re-entered it in a more open division.
>
>At a small convention, even that would be VPF, but at Baycon, with 2400
>attendees, someone who won a (non-Best-in-Division) Novice or self-made
>Young Fan award at CC and chose to enter it at BayCon in the
>Open/Advanced division (Baycon only has 2 adult divisions) might not be
>sandbagging at all.
>Kevin

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Group: runacc Message: 1178 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 6/3/2005
Subject: Re: Competing Down

That wasn’t sandbagging, that was “competing upward,” which is how it’s
supposed to work.

Competing it the other direction would have been sandbagging.

–Karen

At 11:50 PM 6/2/2005 -0500, you wrote:

>And then there was the Midwest costumer who entered Minicon (regional –
>when it still had a masquerade) as a novice, and won, then brought it to
>CC, entered in Journeyman, and won, then took it to Worldcon, entered it in
>Master, and won.

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Group: runacc Message: 1179 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 6/3/2005
Subject: Re: Competing Down

Tina Connell wrote:

> Frankly, I think that it would be good for the costuming and con-attending
> community if more people could get a look at “international” winning
> costumes, since a lot of fans don’t make it to WorldCon and/or CC. What
> they need to know is that it is for their enjoyment, not for the ego-boo of
> the costumer trying to win another award.

I like it!

That’s the kind of thing that would encourage some people to present
exhibition. Show it, and say that it won at WorldCon, CC or whatever
other large venue it presented at.

It’s also the kind of thing that will help keep WorldCon and CC in
peoples’ minds.

The trick now is to seed regionals with exhibition pieces. Unfortunately
for us, our most prolific and coolest entrants somehow seem to put
together new entries for nearly every masquerade of regional level or
higher that they can get to.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1180 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 6/3/2005
Subject: Re: Competing Down

We’ve shown our Costume-Con pieces (Crimson King) Not In Competition at
Balticon.

The only reason we didn’t do it this year is that Cait wanted to compete a
solo for the first time on her own, plus we couldn’t get the two West-Coast
members of Ascension to the con.

This is a good way to get masquerade numbers up even if you don’t have
anything new to compete, and people love seeing the costumes in person. (We
did wear our Ascension uniforms in the halls, and got a lot of comments.)

–Karen

At 11:03 PM 6/2/2005 -0700, you wrote:

>Tina Connell wrote:
> > Frankly, I think that it would be good for the costuming and con-attending
> > community if more people could get a look at “international” winning
> > costumes, since a lot of fans don’t make it to WorldCon and/or CC. What
> > they need to know is that it is for their enjoyment, not for the
> ego-boo of
> > the costumer trying to win another award.
>
>I like it!
>
>That’s the kind of thing that would encourage some people to present
>exhibition. Show it, and say that it won at WorldCon, CC or whatever
>other large venue it presented at.
>
>It’s also the kind of thing that will help keep WorldCon and CC in
>peoples’ minds.
>
>The trick now is to seed regionals with exhibition pieces. Unfortunately
>for us, our most prolific and coolest entrants somehow seem to put
>together new entries for nearly every masquerade of regional level or
>higher that they can get to.
>
>andy
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Group: runacc Message: 1181 From: johalloran Date: 6/3/2005
Subject: Re: Fw: CostumeCon Cosplayer report!

Do you know, if this is this a “open letter” that can passed on to
other venues, possibly public ones?

Or do we need contact her to see about passing it on to other CC
committees, MDs, and/or Costume Panel coordinators?

JohnO

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Bruno” <bruno@s…> wrote:
> I had one of the young anime costumers that came out from CO, write
up some feedback on her impressions and experiences at CC. The first
part is directed at other cosplayers, but does provide some insight on
how this generation thinks and feels about costuming. I’m sure that
there are some nuggets of wisdom here, which can be used to help
bridge the gap between the CC and Cosplay generations.
>
>
> Michael
>
> —– Original Message —–
>
>
> I’m a cosplayer who survived her first CostumeCon! Or atleast
that’s how I felt when I cam back from CostumeCon 23. It was highly
educational but there were some things that were not very enjoyable.
As one of the younger generation into costuming but coming at it from
a cosplay sort of view, here are my thoughts about what cosplayers
should know about CostumeCon and what CostumeCon should know about
cosplayers.

{{{snip}}}

 

Group: runacc Message: 1182 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/3/2005
Subject: Re: Fw: CostumeCon Cosplayer report!

Hi, John!

As ICG Newsletter Editor and Costume-ConNections site manager, I already
contacted the author, and I have her permission to reproduce on both the
Costume-Con.org site (under CC23 – reviews), and in the next Newsletter
(this August).

Once I have the time to update the site – sometime next week the work
begins), I’ll be including her article. I think if you want to forward
the link, that’s okay. It’ll be public info at that point. But she took
pains to adjust some of her writing, so please don’t use the version
Mike sent.

Thanks!

Betsy

johalloran wrote:

> Do you know, if this is this a “open letter” that can passed on to
> other venues, possibly public ones?
>
> Or do we need contact her to see about passing it on to other CC
> committees, MDs, and/or Costume Panel coordinators?
>
> JohnO
>
>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Bruno” <bruno@s…> wrote:
>
>>I had one of the young anime costumers that came out from CO, write
>
> up some feedback on her impressions and experiences at CC. The first
> part is directed at other cosplayers, but does provide some insight on
> how this generation thinks and feels about costuming. I’m sure that
> there are some nuggets of wisdom here, which can be used to help
> bridge the gap between the CC and Cosplay generations.
>
>>
>>Michael
>>
>>—– Original Message —–
>>
>>
>> I’m a cosplayer who survived her first CostumeCon! Or atleast
>
> that’s how I felt when I cam back from CostumeCon 23. It was highly
> educational but there were some things that were not very enjoyable.
> As one of the younger generation into costuming but coming at it from
> a cosplay sort of view, here are my thoughts about what cosplayers
> should know about CostumeCon and what CostumeCon should know about
> cosplayers.
>
> {{{snip}}}
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Group: runacc Message: 1183 From: John O’Halloran Date: 6/3/2005
Subject: Re: Fw: CostumeCon Cosplayer report!

no problem.

JohnO

Betsy Delaney wrote:

> Hi, John!
>
> As ICG Newsletter Editor and Costume-ConNections site manager, I already
> contacted the author, and I have her permission to reproduce on both the
> Costume-Con.org site (under CC23 – reviews), and in the next Newsletter
> (this August).
>
> Once I have the time to update the site – sometime next week the work
> begins), I’ll be including her article. I think if you want to forward
> the link, that’s okay. It’ll be public info at that point. But she took
> pains to adjust some of her writing, so please don’t use the version
> Mike sent.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Betsy
>
> johalloran wrote:
>
> > Do you know, if this is this a “open letter” that can passed on to
> > other venues, possibly public ones?
> >
> > Or do we need contact her to see about passing it on to other CC
> > committees, MDs, and/or Costume Panel coordinators?
> >
> > JohnO
> >
> >
> > — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Bruno” <bruno@s…> wrote:
> >
> >>I had one of the young anime costumers that came out from CO, write
> >
> > up some feedback on her impressions and experiences at CC. The first
> > part is directed at other cosplayers, but does provide some insight on
> > how this generation thinks and feels about costuming. I’m sure that
> > there are some nuggets of wisdom here, which can be used to help
> > bridge the gap between the CC and Cosplay generations.
> >
> >>
> >>Michael
> >>
> >>—– Original Message —–
> >>
> >>
> >> I’m a cosplayer who survived her first CostumeCon! Or atleast
> >
> > that’s how I felt when I cam back from CostumeCon 23. It was highly
> > educational but there were some things that were not very enjoyable.
> > As one of the younger generation into costuming but coming at it from
> > a cosplay sort of view, here are my thoughts about what cosplayers
> > should know about CostumeCon and what CostumeCon should know about
> > cosplayers.
> >
> > {{{snip}}}
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Group: runacc Message: 1184 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/3/2005
Subject: Re: Competing Down -varioius comments

Re Byron:

> The problem isn’t at the international-level masquerades; it’s at the

regional/local >level masquerades. How do we educate them on the need to
do so?

That’s a very good question, because there’s always the danger of our
appearing to be “dictating” again, despite the fact that we actually have a
legitimate concern.
Karen’s “throwing it out there” is about the best approach we can hope for.
Of course, this provides that an MD will be receptive to input. Some are –
some aren’t, as we all know.

Re Karen: > I really want to do a “costuming ethics” panel at some future
CC, but I > swear it would be ill-attended because it is not a “fun” topic.
But it is

> so badly needed…

I’d go to it. I love that sort of crap. 🙂 These kinds of issues don’t
usually get discussed except in private bull sessions, and really should be.
The key to take some angle to the subject matter and at least make the title
sound interesting. Maybe people will stay anyway.

Re Tina and Andy’s comments: Archon has worked this out fairly well. They
refer to the entries as in the “Exhibition Class”. I can’t remember if they
specifically say they are not in competition (I don’t think so). But they
have mentioned that the costumes won X award(s) at a Worldcon. I don’t
think we’ve actually had anyone demo a CC entry, though.

As it’s been mentioned, we’re usually too busy working on the next project
to show something “old”. As Karen has stated, we’ve got all these ideas
that have to get out and have finite time and venues to get them out in
front of people.

Bruce

 

Group: runacc Message: 1185 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/5/2005
Subject: Re: Competing Down -varioius comments

In a message dated 6/3/2005 10:51:36 PM Central Daylight Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes: >

> Re Byron:
>
> >The problem isn’t at the international-level masquerades; it’s at the
> regional/local >level masquerades. How do we educate them on the need to
> do so?

Speaking for us here in the Metro Milwaukee/Chicago area that run masquerades
at smaller cons, we are doing the best we can about that. Which is why I do
volunteer to run or help with masquerades in the area.

We are also doing what we can to encourage people to compete at all! next
weekend at Duckon 14, I am “running” the Hall Costume Masquerade, basically Hall
Costumes. Last year, I turned the masquerade into a show, which everyone in
the audience enjoyed, due to lack of entries.

Henry Osier
CostumeCon 28 in Milwaukee in 2010

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Group: runacc Message: 1186 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 6/6/2005
Subject: Re: Competing Down -varioius comments

On Jun 3, 2005, at 8:52 PM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> re Tina and Andy’s comments: Archon has worked this out fairly well.
> They
> refer to the entries as in the “Exhibition Class”. I can’t remember
> if they
> specifically say they are not in competition (I don’t think so). But
> they
> have mentioned that the costumes won X award(s) at a Worldcon. I don’t
> think we’ve actually had anyone demo a CC entry, though.

It’s not like we haven’t had “exhibition” class forever, it’s just Tina
came up a way with making it desirable…


Andy Trembley, Bull-in-Drag
The Bovine Illuminati (It’s the Cows, Inc.)
http://www.bovil.com/
Moo!

 

Group: runacc Message: 1187 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/17/2005
Subject: A different perspective on Costume Contests
While looking for a certain dealer of Cowboy clothing, I found this site:
http://www.curtrich.com/costume.html. I know that the Cowboy crowd has their own
contests, but this is the first time I have found a web page devoted to it.

Henry Osier
CostumeCon 28 in Milwaukee in 2010
e-mail CC2010Milw@cs.com for more information

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Group: runacc Message: 1188 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/19/2005
Subject: Dealers tables/membership question
We’re trying to make a decision on how much to charge for dealers table for
CC25. Right now, we’re considering making tables $105 for a table (less for
additional tables) and memberships about $65 for one and additional
memberships at a slightly reduced rate.

We heard that CC24 has a rather low rate of $50 per table (no membership
included). Is this correct?

We’d like opinions and stats on what the other committees have charged/will
charge and whether our rates are too high, or about right.

Bruce

 

Group: runacc Message: 1189 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/19/2005
Subject: Dealing with Janet Wilson-Anderson
A seperate dealers room issue:

Janet has supposedly offered to bring her business to CC25 if we can give
her a seperate room. We’re trying to maintain a balance between Exhibits
and Dealers. As it is, we’re probably going to have to split up our
Exhibits into 2 rooms, because I believe it’s extremely important to give K
& R as much space to represent the Con’s history as we can.

I think our dealers rep has plans for something like 20 tables. I believe
we have a yet-to-be stated policy of a limit of 2 tables per dealer. Given
that people would really like to see her bring her shop, since she has some
of the best selection and variety, how does one address the issue of limited
availabilty? Pierre seems to recall she had 6 at CC23. It’s difficult to
give any kind of committments too far in advance, since we would like to get
as many dealers to come as possible. I’m not entirely certain we have a
room to spare for just one dealer, important as she is.

If we accomodated Janet with more tables, then there’s the issue of the
other dealers seeing a double-standard.

Your input is welcome.

Bruce

 

Group: runacc Message: 1190 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 6/19/2005
Subject: Re: Dealers tables/membership question

Does your $105 include one membership?

–Karen

At 05:07 PM 6/19/2005 -0500, you wrote:

>We’re trying to make a decision on how much to charge for dealers table for
>CC25. Right now, we’re considering making tables $105 for a table (less for
>additional tables) and memberships about $65 for one and additional
>memberships at a slightly reduced rate.
>
>We heard that CC24 has a rather low rate of $50 per table (no membership
>included). Is this correct?
>
>We’d like opinions and stats on what the other committees have charged/will
>charge and whether our rates are too high, or about right.
>
>Bruce
>
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Group: runacc Message: 1191 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 6/19/2005
Subject: Re: Dealing with Janet Wilson-Anderson

First and foremost, don’t be afraid to say “no” to Janet if the logistics
are not good for you. She’s a businessperson; she should understand. But if
you can accommodate her, she is always a popular draw as a dealer.

Is there a suite, breakout rooms not being used for panels, or something
similar in the hotel where Janet can put her dealer stuff, have her own
key, and set her own hours? Don’t be afraid to charge her a rate
commensurate with the amount of space she takes up. (Maybe you can parlay
this into extra favors from the hotel, as you’d be renting more space and
giving them more $$$.)

From Janet’s standpoint, it is expensive for her to drive her inventory
that far across country to a convention, so she wants to bring EVERYTHING
so she can make as many sales as possible to make up for her expenses.
(Been there, done that with our now defunct clown business and totally
understand where she’s coming from.)

She may have overlap in wares with some of your other dealers, and that may
cause issues. She can take up lots of space, so if you have to put
everybody in one dealer’s room, that may severely limit how many other
dealers you can have. And you already mentioned the problem with letting
her have more space/tables if other dealers are only allowed two.

If there’s some other logical place in the hotel where Exhibits can move
(that is secure and does not require breakdown every night), that may be an
option, too. We’ll just have to make sure there’s good signage, etc. so
people don’t overlook it.

Pierre–is Janet dealing at Des Moines? If so, how are you handling it?

Henry, how did you deal with Janet at Chicago? (I know there was talk of a
separate room, but security was an issue.)

Dave and Henry, how did the other dealers feel about Janet having so much
dealer space?

–Karen

At 05:20 PM 6/19/2005 -0500, you wrote:

>A seperate dealers room issue:
>
>Janet has supposedly offered to bring her business to CC25 if we can give
>her a seperate room. We’re trying to maintain a balance between Exhibits
>and Dealers. As it is, we’re probably going to have to split up our
>Exhibits into 2 rooms, because I believe it’s extremely important to give K
>& R as much space to represent the Con’s history as we can.
>
>I think our dealers rep has plans for something like 20 tables. I believe
>we have a yet-to-be stated policy of a limit of 2 tables per dealer. Given
>that people would really like to see her bring her shop, since she has some
>of the best selection and variety, how does one address the issue of limited
>availabilty? Pierre seems to recall she had 6 at CC23. It’s difficult to
>give any kind of committments too far in advance, since we would like to get
>as many dealers to come as possible. I’m not entirely certain we have a
>room to spare for just one dealer, important as she is.
>
>If we accomodated Janet with more tables, then there’s the issue of the
>other dealers seeing a double-standard.
>
>Your input is welcome.
>
>Bruce
>
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Group: runacc Message: 1192 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/20/2005
Subject: Re: Dealing with Janet Wilson-Anderson
Bruce, and all,
FYI, the deal we ended up cutting with Janet back at CC21 basically
almost paid for the room we set her up in. We took a bit of a bath on the cost,
but we thought the draw of Janet/Alteryears was worth it.
I didn’t hear anything negative from the other dealers about the
arrangement, but it is something to consider.
At CC23, Janet had about 1/4 to 1/3 of the Dealers Room, and filled it
to the brim with her stuff. I do remember Dave Doering shooting me e-mail
about the deal we gave her at 21. I told him the pro’s and con’s that I could
think of, which are basically the draw of Alteryears/Janet vs. more dealers. I
side towards the first. In addition, I think Janet brings a good vibe to the
con.
Henry Osier
PS And talking of dealers for your CC, Bruce, I’d love to see
Clearwater Hats again!

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Group: runacc Message: 1193 From: David Doering Date: 6/20/2005
Subject: Re: Dealing with Janet Wilson-Anderson

>In discussing Alteryears arrangements for CC23, I should note:

1. Because of the relatively small size of Atlanta’s dealers room, we opted
not to set a specific limit to the number of tables one dealer could have
as a way of encouraging more dealers to come. The thought being that if we
way over-sold, we always could use 1/3 of the ballroom as an alternate
dealer’s room. (giving us about two times the space we did have).

So if Janet was willing to pay for the space, we were willing to have her
take up more.

2. We offered one table with one full membership for $120, two tables/two
memberships for $200. Additional tables did not include additional
memberships. We were willing to offer a discounted membership to any dealer
who needed more, but no one asked for one, so that didn’t come up. We
probably would have gone for a $50 rate on those.

3. Rates were set at 1 for $120, 2 for $200, 3 for $270, and 4 for $330.

4. For Janet, we measured out the space and found that the south end of the
room was approximately six 8′ tables–about 1/4 of the room. (It was
convenient that the doors allowed for that end of the room to kind of be
its own space.) So we cut her a deal for $450.00 for this space. This may
seem low, but we did want her there, did want other dealers to know about
this draw (Janet is both a competitor and a draw for buyers), and since the
hotel rental fee was low (about $200/day for that space), we thought this
deal worth it.

To be honest, there were several challenges working with Janet.

First, she can be tough to get a hold of. It could be weeks or even several
months before she would answer e-mail. I finally got her cellphone number
after seeing her at Costume College, but even then, I might go a week or
two with just the answering service picking up.

Second, she appeared to suffer from cash-flow problems. So even though we
set a low fee for her, she still struggled to arrange for the money to pay
for that. It was only after I gave her a drop-dead date weeks after
everyone else and said that if I did not have the money in by the end of
that business day, I would sell the space to another dealer, that I finally
got a check from her.

The reason that this definitely concerned me was that it was a cascading
problem: if Janet couldn’t afford the $450, how would she be able to afford
new merchandise for the show? How would she afford travel expenses? What
about any contingencies, such as a flat tire on the road?

Fortunately, she came through with flying colors. But it was a concern.

Third, because of the communications issues, I had to resend at least three
times the dealer’s packet to Janet. There wasn’t an acknowledgement on
either of the first two times, and I actually had to talk on the cellphone
to her before confirming the third. By not hearing from her, I wasn’t sure
if she was declining our invitation, mulling it over, out of town, changed
address, etc.

Finally, she appeared understaffed for the quantity of goods she had–so
she wanted to start setup on Thursday PM to be ready by noon on Friday.
However, that would have cost more to rent. So we ended up having the hotel
open the room at 6AM so Janet could bring in her goods.

The same issue came up on Monday. In order to reach the 6PM deadline for
teardown, several volunteers had to pitch in so she could be packed up
ready to go. (The inside scoop is that the hotel’s staffer was going
off-duty at 7PM and needed to get the room vacuumed prior to his leaving.)
Fortunately, in the tradition of CC, there were plenty of us willing to
dive in to do the packing, for which I am grateful, so the job got done.

That said, I had no problems with Janet on site. There was no complaining
about size/arrangement of space. Nor did I hear any issues from other
dealers about size, etc. for Alteryears. Given that any dealer could have
purchased six tables worth of space if they wanted to, I think everyone
felt it fair if one did.

We did discuss with various dealers about using suites/function space for
one dealer’s exclusive use. The primary objection, if it is one, being that
these spaces were almost always off the beaten track–hence would get less
or even no traffic during the con compared to the dealers room. As happened
in Chicago, Alteryears made this arrangement work. However, for Ogden,
there wasn’t really a separate space close by to use for this option, so we
never really pursued it.

Dave Doering

>Bruce, and all,
> FYI, the deal we ended up cutting with Janet back at CC21 basically
>almost paid for the room we set her up in. We took a bit of a bath on the
>cost,
>but we thought the draw of Janet/Alteryears was worth it.
> I didn’t hear anything negative from the other dealers about the
>arrangement, but it is something to consider.
> At CC23, Janet had about 1/4 to 1/3 of the Dealers Room, and
> filled it
>to the brim with her stuff. I do remember Dave Doering shooting me e-mail
>about the deal we gave her at 21. I told him the pro’s and con’s that I could
>think of, which are basically the draw of Alteryears/Janet vs. more
>dealers. I
>side towards the first. In addition, I think Janet brings a good vibe to the
>con.
> Henry Osier
> PS And talking of dealers for your CC, Bruce, I’d love to see
>Clearwater Hats again!
>
>
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Group: runacc Message: 1194 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 6/20/2005
Subject: Re: Dealing with Janet Wilson-Anderson

Dave, this is GREAT information you provided, and I hope Bruce finds it
helpful. I certainly found it enlightening, although I’m not sure if this
will be a concern for CC-27 (Baltimore is probably too far for Janet to
drive her wares and still have it be cost-effective.)

I, too, have had problems (for *years*) with contacting Janet by email
(it’s like dropping notes into a black hole, never to be seen again), so
don’t feel bad. So this is definitely a concern for anyone trying to
contact her.

–Karen

At 02:48 PM 6/20/2005 -0600, you wrote:

> >In discussing Alteryears arrangements for CC23, I should note…

<snip>

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Group: runacc Message: 1195 From: Tina Connell Date: 6/20/2005
Subject: Re: Dealing with Janet Wilson-Anderson

What this discussion has been about has to a certain extent hinged on Janet
vs. other dealers and how they feel about her.

As a customer, I don’t think that there’s a lot of conflict. She carries a
good number of specialty items that most other dealers don’t offer. She
also has a primo selection of books and patterns, including some rather
esoteric ones. However, I bought my corset supplies from the corset dealer,
not her (Farthingales’ prices were better than Janet’s), and likewise
fabric, beads and trims from other dealers. For a newbie costumer, or for
someone who does not have any local access to exotica, she’s a treasure!
And she’s always willing to be helpful, make suggestions (even if they don’t
result in a sale), talk to newbies, and so forth, so she’s a resource, not
just a dealer.

As long as the rest of the room is fairly well balanced, I would not expect
there to be a conflict. Most of the established dealers already know her.
If a brand new dealer wanted in, you might want to explain the situation if
their stock-in-trade was likely to compete directly.

Tina

—– Original Message —–
From: <osierhenry@cs.com>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Dealing with Janet Wilson-Anderson

> Bruce, and all,
> FYI, the deal we ended up cutting with Janet back at CC21 basically
> almost paid for the room we set her up in. We took a bit of a bath on the
> cost,
> but we thought the draw of Janet/Alteryears was worth it.
> I didn’t hear anything negative from the other dealers about the
> arrangement, but it is something to consider.
> At CC23, Janet had about 1/4 to 1/3 of the Dealers Room, and filled
> it
> to the brim with her stuff. I do remember Dave Doering shooting me e-mail
> about the deal we gave her at 21. I told him the pro’s and con’s that I
> could
> think of, which are basically the draw of Alteryears/Janet vs. more
> dealers. I
> side towards the first. In addition, I think Janet brings a good vibe to
> the
> con.
> Henry Osier
> PS And talking of dealers for your CC, Bruce, I’d love to see
> Clearwater Hats again!

 

Group: runacc Message: 1196 From: Charles Date: 6/20/2005
Subject: Re: Dealing with Janet Wilson-Anderson
I realized when I saw Gaylene vending in Reno, that limiting vendor’s to two tables (which we might tend to do at CONduit), might not work for CC-23.

Many of our vendors were going to be driving in from out-of-area. What we wanted, was a good variety, but not so many vendors that none of them would make any money. In the case of both Gaylene (fabric from Oregon), and Janet Wilson-Anderson (CA), we knew they would both be loading up a truck, and it didn’t really make sense for them to bring in only half a truck load.

I know Kathy Evans (Seattle area) could have brought more stuff, but I think she had a pretty good idea of what the other vendors were going to bring, and she was used to custumizing her wares to each market.

We were reluctant to totally over-fill the room too early, since there may be some special opportunity pop up at the last minute.

When we actually had the room finalized, I was actually a bit surprised at how few vendors we really had, but I thought we had mananged to cover the important areas quite well. (Fabric, trim, beads, books, patterns, and other do-dads). The room was quite adequate for these vendors. When we did first set-up, some vendors wondered what Janet’s space was (how many tables / how much money) since it was the largest allocation, and they were re-assured that she had been charged extra.

I should point out that a number of the vendors wanted a “space/area” (and electrical outlets), and the simple fixed-fee-per-table-maximum-of-two (like we do at CONduit), simply would have not been a good policy. We needed to determine what their space area would be, not just a fixed table design. (and there was some last minute adjusting)

As it was, most of the vendors did adequately well, which was a concern given the fairly small numbers of attendees for the event.

Charles

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Group: runacc Message: 1197 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 6/20/2005
Subject: Re: Dealing with Janet Wilson-Anderson

At 04:56 PM 6/20/2005 -0600, you wrote:

>I should point out that a number of the vendors wanted a “space/area” (and
>electrical outlets), and the simple fixed-fee-per-table-maximum-of-two
>(like we do at CONduit), simply would have not been a good policy.

Re “space/area.” This is an interesting concept, and one used frequently at
trade shows. You don’t get “tables,” you get a 10×12 (or whatever
dimensions) space, and set up within that space according to your needs
(maybe tables, maybe not). Vendors request tables and chairs if they need
them; otherwise, the floorspace is blank when they arrive. I know when
Ricky and I are vending, we don’t want to “hide” behind a table and
typically want a space/area arrangement where we can set up a big “U” with
racks and maybe one table.

Whether you are selling tables or “spaces,” make sure you have room for
adequate aisles to keep your fire marshal happy. If you are selling
“spaces” vs. tables, you may need to go through the room and mark off the
“spaces” on the floor with a roll of masking or drafting tape so your
vendors don’t end up spilling into the aisles. (Again, this is what they do
at the trade shows, and you are politely asked to reconfigure your booth if
it is “over the line.”

–Karen

–Karen

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Group: runacc Message: 1198 From: David Doering Date: 6/20/2005
Subject: Re: Dealing with Janet Wilson-Anderson

>Charles wrote about numbers of dealers and such.

Yes, I forgot to mention that Charles and I discussed at length the need to
balance the expected number of attendees with the number of dealers. We
realized that a concerted marketing effort might bring 15-20 dealers in,
but would leave most with little profit for the weekend. We didn’t want
that or the bad PR it would bring to CC’s in general. (Hey, don’t do CC,
you can’t make money there.)

We would have liked to have known something of other CC dealers rooms,
particularly number of dealers compared with attendance. It’s probably
impossible to find out, but trying to get some feedback from dealers as to
“was it worth it?” might be key here. Can a 250-person CC support six
dealers, eight dealers, what? What can a 500-person con do?

Also, as Charles says, we had a lengthy discussion on space vs. tables
approach. Most CC dealers have their own racks/display arrangements, so a
typical con “table” layout isn’t the most useful. However, we opted to stay
with it because it is a universal (an 8′ table with two chairs and space
behind). If we had gone with a “you are renting 550 sq ft” it would be
harder to lay out.

Finally, it would have been impractical to try and figure out a price per
square foot and try to work all this out with each dealer _and_ fit it into
the actual room.

I really would prefer to do what they did at Costume College, with a
clearly laid out floor plan that takes into consideration the odd shape of
their room to make the most space available to dealers. (They even go so
far as to masking tape the floor of the room for setup!) However, since
College uses the same space year to year, it is easier to come up with
those arrangements vs. the one-off of CC23.

In fact, Kathy Evans was our unsung hero for the CC23 Dealer’s Room, as
discovered the table setup we found on Friday morning simply would not work
for the dealer’s room. Kathy stepped right in and made the floor
plan/tables work. (This by the way was not the hotel’s fault, but simply a
notion by one of our staffers to try and “improve” the traffic flow. Again,
this is a problem when you have an all-volunteer staff with varying skill
levels.)

The other aspect that Charles mentioned was electricity. We mapped out the
available outlets, and found the room was underserved with only about ten
to fifteen outlets. This raised a concern if everyone wanted to run
high-intensity lighting, for example. Fortunately, not everyone wanted
electricity. But as we have discussed before on hotel electricity for the
masquerade, we can put too much demand on a circuit–potentially blowing
the fuse, so to speak.

Also, if we had done an island approach (dealers on the outside of the room
and some in the middle), we would have had to run an extension cord or two
across the aisles. This presents a tripping hazard, requires taping down,
and thus is an added hassle. Again, we didn’t have this as a problem
because we had only one unlighted display table in the middle.

All in all, the room turned out well, with Farthingales saying that this
was their best convention ever.

Dave Doering

 

Group: runacc Message: 1199 From: Charles Date: 6/20/2005
Subject: Re: Dealing with Janet Wilson-Anderson

(Replying to Dave’s comments)

In terms of what to charge the vendors for space…

I’m sure we charged the vendors enough to cover the cost of the room rental. And we certainly didn’t want to drop the price below what a membership cost. We did set the price a bit low, in the sense that we knew that they would be coming from out-of-area, and didn’t expect huge sales.

My point is that if there is a local vendor, who is trying for promotion leading to follow-on sales after the con, then they would be more willing to take a loss at the event. But at CC-23, most of the expected sales would be occuring right there at the event, based on who we expected the vendors to be.
—————–
The vendor-room actually had a pretty good supply of electrical outlets, but there was still the concern of trailing cable-cords, and possibly (if everyone wanted lots of power) maxing out the circuits (I never did know exactly how many circuits we had). Keep in mind, the number of circuits is not the same as the number of plug outlets. I think typically, there are about 3 or 4 electrical double-outlet boxes per circuit, each circuit set for 20 amps. If we had 9 double outlet boxes in that dealers room, I’d expect about three 20-amp circuits. But I might still need to know which outlets were on which circuit. This type of detail becomes even more important if you are trying to run stage-lighting from out of the room outlets (a room plug-outlet is typically rated at 15 amps, maybe 20 amps). But don’t try to run 15 or 20 amps through a light-weight extension cord.

Charles

—– Original Message —–
From: David Doering
>Charles wrote about numbers of dealers and such.

Yes, I forgot to mention that Charles and I discussed at length the need to
balance the expected number of attendees with the number of dealers. We
realized that a concerted marketing effort might bring 15-20 dealers in,
but would leave most with little profit for the weekend. We didn’t want
that or the bad PR it would bring to CC’s in general. (Hey, don’t do CC,
you can’t make money there.)

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Group: runacc Message: 1200 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 6/21/2005
Subject: Re: Dealing with Janet Wilson-Anderson

At 06:05 PM 6/19/2005, you wrote:

>Pierre–is Janet dealing at Des Moines? If so, how are you handling it?

As of this moment I don’t believe she’s contacted us.

Pierre

>Henry, how did you deal with Janet at Chicago? (I know there was talk of a
>separate room, but security was an issue.)
>
>Dave and Henry, how did the other dealers feel about Janet having so much
>dealer space?
>
>–Karen
>
>At 05:20 PM 6/19/2005 -0500, you wrote:
> >A seperate dealers room issue:
> >
> >Janet has supposedly offered to bring her business to CC25 if we can give
> >her a seperate room. We’re trying to maintain a balance between Exhibits
> >and Dealers. As it is, we’re probably going to have to split up our
> >Exhibits into 2 rooms, because I believe it’s extremely important to give K
> >& R as much space to represent the Con’s history as we can.
> >
> >I think our dealers rep has plans for something like 20 tables. I believe
> >we have a yet-to-be stated policy of a limit of 2 tables per dealer. Given
> >that people would really like to see her bring her shop, since she has some
> >of the best selection and variety, how does one address the issue of limited
> >availabilty? Pierre seems to recall she had 6 at CC23. It’s difficult to
> >give any kind of committments too far in advance, since we would like to get
> >as many dealers to come as possible. I’m not entirely certain we have a
> >room to spare for just one dealer, important as she is.
> >
> >If we accomodated Janet with more tables, then there’s the issue of the
> >other dealers seeing a double-standard.
> >
> >Your input is welcome.
> >
> >Bruce

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Subject: Re: Tech rehearsals from a geek point of view
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Group: runacc Message: 1104 From: Charles Date: 5/19/2005
Subject: Re: Tech rehearsals
Group: runacc Message: 1105 From: Charles Date: 5/19/2005
Subject: Re: Job description, was: What does the MD do?
Group: runacc Message: 1106 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/19/2005
Subject: Re: Tech rehearsals
Group: runacc Message: 1107 From: Charles Date: 5/19/2005
Subject: Re: Function space budgeting, was:Tech rehearsals
Group: runacc Message: 1108 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/19/2005
Subject: Re: Function space budgeting
Group: runacc Message: 1109 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 5/19/2005
Subject: Re: Tech rehearsals
Group: runacc Message: 1110 From: Charles Date: 5/20/2005
Subject: Re: Tech rehearsals
Group: runacc Message: 1111 From: Byron Connell Date: 5/20/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging
Group: runacc Message: 1112 From: Byron Connell Date: 5/20/2005
Subject: Re: Tech rehearsals
Group: runacc Message: 1113 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/21/2005
Subject: Re: Awards For ?
Group: runacc Message: 1114 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/21/2005
Subject: Attendance
Group: runacc Message: 1115 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/21/2005
Subject: Re: Tech rehearsals
Group: runacc Message: 1116 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/23/2005
Subject: cool offer
Group: runacc Message: 1117 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/23/2005
Subject: Re: cool offer
Group: runacc Message: 1118 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/23/2005
Subject: folio idea
Group: runacc Message: 1119 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/23/2005
Subject: Re: folio idea
Group: runacc Message: 1120 From: David Doering Date: 5/23/2005
Subject: Re: cool offer
Group: runacc Message: 1121 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/23/2005
Subject: Re: cool offer
Group: runacc Message: 1122 From: David Doering Date: 5/23/2005
Subject: Re: cool offer
Group: runacc Message: 1123 From: Byron Connell Date: 5/23/2005
Subject: Re: folio idea
Group: runacc Message: 1124 From: Bruno Date: 5/23/2005
Subject: Re: folio idea
Group: runacc Message: 1125 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/23/2005
Subject: Re: folio idea
Group: runacc Message: 1126 From: Byron Connell Date: 5/23/2005
Subject: Re: cool offer
Group: runacc Message: 1127 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/23/2005
Subject: Re: cool offer
Group: runacc Message: 1128 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/25/2005
Subject: Fwd: [ICG-D] dollmaking at Costume Events
Group: runacc Message: 1129 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/25/2005
Subject: Re: Fwd: [ICG-D] dollmaking at Costume Events
Group: runacc Message: 1130 From: David Doering Date: 5/25/2005
Subject: Hotel Contract
Group: runacc Message: 1131 From: Charles Date: 5/26/2005
Subject: Re: Hotel Contract
Group: runacc Message: 1132 From: Bruno Date: 5/26/2005
Subject: Fw: CostumeCon Cosplayer report!
Group: runacc Message: 1133 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 5/26/2005
Subject: [Fwd: [ICG-D] help]
Group: runacc Message: 1134 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/26/2005
Subject: Re: Fw: CostumeCon Cosplayer report!
Group: runacc Message: 1135 From: David Doering Date: 5/26/2005
Subject: Re: Fw: CostumeCon Cosplayer report!
Group: runacc Message: 1136 From: Byron Connell Date: 5/26/2005
Subject: Re: [Fwd: [ICG-D] help]
Group: runacc Message: 1137 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 5/26/2005
Subject: Re: [Fwd: [ICG-D] help]
Group: runacc Message: 1138 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 5/26/2005
Subject: Re: Fw: CostumeCon Cosplayer report!
Group: runacc Message: 1139 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 5/26/2005
Subject: Re: Fwd: [ICG-D] dollmaking at Costume Events
Group: runacc Message: 1140 From: David Doering Date: 5/27/2005
Subject: Re: Fw: CostumeCon Cosplayer report!
Group: runacc Message: 1141 From: Tina Connell Date: 5/27/2005
Subject: Re: Fw: CostumeCon Cosplayer report!
Group: runacc Message: 1142 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 5/27/2005
Subject: Re: Fw: CostumeCon Cosplayer report!
Group: runacc Message: 1143 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/27/2005
Subject: Re: [Fwd: [ICG-D] help]
Group: runacc Message: 1144 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 5/28/2005
Subject: Re: [Fwd: [ICG-D] help]
Group: runacc Message: 1145 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 5/28/2005
Subject: Re: [Fwd: [ICG-D] help]
Group: runacc Message: 1146 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/31/2005
Subject: BaltiCon judges
Group: runacc Message: 1147 From: martingear Date: 5/31/2005
Subject: Re: BaltiCon judges
Group: runacc Message: 1148 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/31/2005
Subject: Re: Celebrity / GOH judges
Group: runacc Message: 1149 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/31/2005
Subject: Re: BaltiCon judges
Group: runacc Message: 1150 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/31/2005
Subject: Re: BaltiCon judges

 


 

Group: runacc Message: 1101 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/19/2005
Subject: Re: Tech rehearsals from a geek point of view

On May 19, 2005, at 6:07 PM, Betsy Delaney wrote:

> I also agree with Andy – Chicago had such a rehearsal space. I know
> because I helped tape out the stage outline.

I forgot about that… then again, I was too busy freaking out while
waiting for Marty and Jennifer to fix the actual stage problems with
the hotel and then trying to catch up on rehearsals once those
logistics had been solved.


andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
San Jose, CA – ’72 R75/5 ’86 R100 (mine) – ’92 K75sa ’03 R1150R
(Kevin’s)
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Group: runacc Message: 1102 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/19/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging

At 08:48 PM 5/19/2005 -0400, you wrote:

>As a result, I dislike arbitrary limits on the number of awards the judges
>may give, either overall or by division.

I am not singling you out, Byron, as I can find something good in just
about every costume I see, and I have to restrain myself from going
overboard on awards, especially when I’m doing Workmanship. But I would
like to use your statement as a jumping-off point for another masquerade-
and judging-related discussion.

At what point (percentage of the entrants receiving awards) should the
judges just give up and award EVERYBODY? I’m asking this because I have
seen several masquerades (including both Costume-Con and WorldCon) where,
out of a large field, only a small percentage of the entries did not
receive awards. Not unexpectedly, many of those entries had their
self-esteem and their feelings hurt. (“Gee, how bad is my entry if 85% of
the other entries got awards and I didn’t?!!”)

I think we all agree that losing sucks. But losing sucks less if you are
one of 70% that didn’t make it vs. one of 15% that didn’t make it. (The
competition was tough–you regroup and try harder next time.) Just as
winning is more meaningful if only 30% of the overall field got awards.
(The competition was tough, and you were one of the survivors.)

I am all for awarding excellence, and “I’m OK, you’re OK,” but let’s not go
overboard. If we award everybody, then we essentially award nobody.

–Karen

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Group: runacc Message: 1103 From: Charles Date: 5/19/2005
Subject: Re: Tech rehearsals from a geek point of view

There was another consideration about Theater-space, that is sort of tech-geek, and was not discussed a lot going in.

With a black back-curtain, there is a bit more tolerance of bleed light on the back curtain. But with a cyc, bleed-light on the cyc can cause unwanted cyc-lighting. So often, when using a cyc, the stage-lights are focused off of the back, and the back-most section is not useful, since there’s no lighting on the face towards the very back.

The net effect is, that even if a stage is stated to be a certain size, it may be necessary to state what the effective useful size is.

Charles

—– Original Message —–
From: Les Roth
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Tech rehearsals from a geek point of view

For CC-24 we already have a space set aside for rehearsal in the green
room.

Our usable stage size will be 30 feet wide and 13 feet deep. Detailed
floor plans will be on the website soon.

Les

Live, never to be ashamed if everything you do is published around the
world. Even if what is published is not true. — Richard Bach

On May 19, 2005, at 9:51 AM, Betsy Delaney wrote:

> That space should be made available as part of the planning process
> when
> the hotel spaces are assigned. It’s not clear to me that this kind of
> space was provided at CC23 (I didn’t compete and wasn’t paying
> attention), but if it isn’t already a part of the space allotments for
> 24 on up, you may wish to reconsider the room layout and find a way to
> include it. Both the tech crew and the contestants will thank you later
> for it.

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Group: runacc Message: 1104 From: Charles Date: 5/19/2005
Subject: Re: Tech rehearsals

Actually, the green-room at the theater was pretty busy Saturday morning, with another event, or cleaning it up. And Sunday, with the FFS & Single Pattern in the morning, and Historical run-throughs in the afternoon.

And I think Dave was slightly wrong about the ball-room being available on Friday, or Saturday, since after talking to the hotel, I had the impression that the space was rented most of the day — as I was making up the pocket program. I didn’t worry much about Sunday rehearsals, since I thought most of those would not be as large or complex.

However, many demos have been done in past local conventions, outside in a roped area of the parking lot, and I didn’t even think of that. I think that would not have been a problem for our venue.

—– Original Message —–
From: Andrew T Trembley
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Tech rehearsals from a geek point of view

On May 19, 2005, at 2:02 PM, Ricky & Karen Dick wrote:
>> The problem is a perception thing. And it can be cured by providing a
>> separate rehearsal space for the contestants, away from the main stage
>> space.
>>
>> That space should be made available as part of the planning process
>> when
>> the hotel spaces are assigned. It’s not clear to me that this kind of
>> space was provided at CC23
>
><snip>

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Group: runacc Message: 1105 From: Charles Date: 5/19/2005
Subject: Re: Job description, was: What does the MD do?

One of things I did very early on, was a large master check-list of what needed to be done for a Costume-Con. I didn’t just put down Masquerade: MD. I included such items as pro-photo, and fan photo. I broke up video into about 5 different pieces, even though I assumed it will almost all be covered by “one” person (Carl, do we have the ordering instructions?)

But Dave was correct when saying we realized in about January that the best thing was to coordinate ribbons with everyone, three (4) shows, & dolls, &? — even though my masquerade check-list very clearly has ribbons on the list.

Some of the things I did not want to forget, were items such as “Lifetime-achievement”, a birthday, and “passing the torch” If someone had told us in advance, about any new possible awards, I would have included that, as well.

I would group all this items into logical units: i.e. events, publications, operations, etc. I then tried to link a specific person to each task, so that each action could be covered. Then, towards the last few weeks, I would double check that list, and make sure were were getting all of it done, with Dave (and Keri) making their own versions off of my recommendations.

Charles

—– Original Message —–
From: Andrew T Trembley
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 5:26 PM
Subject: [runacc] What does the MD do? (was Re: Tech rehearsals from a geek point of view

On May 19, 2005, at 3:32 PM, David Doering wrote:
> This points out one of the challenges that even RUNACC can’t always
> address–answering the questions that no one has asked or thinks to
> ask.
> For example, the question of “who orders the ribbons?” didn’t occur to
> me
> until Mid-January–my initial impression being that this was an MD’s
> responsibility and not the chair’s.

This may be an unpopular position (having watched some MDs be very
territorial about things), but my opinion is that as much logistical
work as possible should be offloaded from the competition directors at
a Costume-Con.

There are a lot of shared services used by multiple competitions. Stage
crew, house crew, tech crew and green room are the most obvious, but
pubs/printing (as in certificates) is another that’s a slam-dunk, and
Dora showed that having a common records clerk could streamline some
processes. Having an events/entertainment/hospitality group
coordinating half-time shows for the directors would also be nice.

Oh, and ribbons? The con treasurer has the checkbook. It’s cheaper and
easier to do one large ribbon order rather than separate orders from
each competition director.
<snip>

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Group: runacc Message: 1106 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/19/2005
Subject: Re: Tech rehearsals
At CC-23, the program said that one of the panel rooms would be available
as rehearsal space after programming was done for the day, but we found
that room locked up tight in the evenings.
(And it would probably have been a pain to move the chairs out of the way
and then re-set them.)
We ended up practicing in the parking lot, and it was fine, aside from
dodging the occasional car. It would NOT have been fine if it had been raining.

Practice space may be crucial for some contestants who (a) have not been
able to practice in advance of the con, or (b) may not have been able to
practice with all members of their group in advance of the con. I do agree
that the tech rehearsal time is NOT the time to be creating a presentation
from scratch; an entry should already have a pretty good idea of what
he/she/they are doing.

–Karen

 

Group: runacc Message: 1107 From: Charles Date: 5/19/2005
Subject: Re: Function space budgeting, was:Tech rehearsals

That’s an interesting suggestion Byron, but when we started our bid, we recieved wildly differing estimations of attendance, and we had to ask for a counting of every single con, and their geographical location, and then come up with our own estimate. When many of the smaller conventions came up with numbers close to 200, we set our lower limit there. But for an upper limit, we wanted space for 350. And we mananged to find a space that could handle that range — but we would have needed an extra 50 pre-registrations in order to secure the additional ballroom space — pre-registrations required, before the space got sold out to other events. Recall, that we had a few minor (or not-so) events like a depression, 9-11, and possible air-line closures, between when we first bid in 2000, and won (actually awarded) in 2002, and finally held the event in 2005.

Neither Dave nor I could have absorbed an extra grand (out of our pockets) — even with the Chicago and Atlanta donations (thank you!)

For the record, I’d say that 200 attendees should be considered a minimum number to make an event like this economically viable, and it also seems to about what can be expected from the general pool of attendees. Larger metropolitan areas may get larger local attendee counts. Chicago and NorthEast seem to have a pretty good drawing area for attendees, within a days drive. Utah doesn’t really, although in theory Denver and CA are a days drive.

Charles

—– Original Message —–
From: Byron Connell
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Tech rehearsals from a geek point of view

This is why a con — as a function-heavy event — needs to plan on and budget for taking all the hotel’s function space for the duration of the con.

Byron

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Group: runacc Message: 1108 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/19/2005
Subject: Re: Function space budgeting

> This is why a con — as a function-heavy event — needs to plan on and
> budget for taking all the hotel’s function space for the duration of the con.
>
> Byron

It may not be possible for Cc to take over all the function space of a
hotel. Depends on the size of hotel, and depends on the attendance numbers
of the CC.

Yes, ideally, we don’t want to share function space with others. Depends if
the budget can bear it. We are a *VERY* space-intensive convention for the
number of attendees we draw, especially in recent years.

–Karen

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Group: runacc Message: 1109 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 5/19/2005
Subject: Re: Tech rehearsals

I imagine this would only work in an area where rain isn’t expected….

9-)

Betsy

Charles wrote:

> However, many demos have been done in past local conventions, outside in a roped area of the parking lot, and I didn’t even think of that. I think that would not have been a problem for our venue.

 

Group: runacc Message: 1110 From: Charles Date: 5/20/2005
Subject: Re: Tech rehearsals

This has been for the CONduit conventions, which very often is not raining during it’s typical season — Mother’s day to Memorial day.

Umm… and think I see your point — not every locale and season (and year) is that cooperative. My thoughts were only based on our local history.

And yes, I was very relieved when it stopped raining for CC-23.

Charles

—– Original Message —–
From: Betsy Delaney
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 12:19 AM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Tech rehearsals

I imagine this would only work in an area where rain isn’t expected….

9-)

Betsy

Charles wrote:

> However, many demos have been done in past local conventions, outside in a roped area of the parking lot, and I didn’t even think of that. I think that would not have been a problem for our venue.

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Group: runacc Message: 1111 From: Byron Connell Date: 5/20/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging

In fact, at Calgary, three of the four entrants in the Single Pattern Contest received awards. Tina was the fourth. Of course, it felt awkward.

In the FFS/Single Pattern contests there is a long-established pattern of making only a few specific awards. In SF&F and Historical masquerades, I think the matter comes down to the judges’ standards. If they’re sufficiently high, there will not be an undue level of awards. The panels I’ve been on have tended to follow this pattern:

First, identify the Best in Show candidates (two or three, usually, unless we’ve been wowed by one that is our pick).

Second, sort the remaining entries in each division into three categories:

1. Award worthy.
2. Undecided.
3. Definitely not award worthy.

We then discuss the award-worthy entries in each division in terms of which awards to make. After doing that, we look at the Undecided group. IIRC, the panels I’ve been on have not selected more than a very few of his group for an award — possibly an honorable mention rather than an award proper.

Across regionals, Worldcons, and CCs, my feeling — which I have not tested by reviewing data — is the the panels I’ve been on have made a smaller number of awards rather than a larger number. So, while your scenario of awards to 75 percent certainly is not impossible, in my experience it has tended not to happen if the judges are sufficiently rigorous in applying high standards for each division. (Of course, this assumes that there is overall agreement among the judges on what the standard for a division ought to be, which I generally have found to be the case.)

Byron

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From: Ricky & Karen Dick<mailto:castleb@pulsenet.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] More on Judging

At 08:48 PM 5/19/2005 -0400, you wrote:
>As a result, I dislike arbitrary limits on the number of awards the judges
>may give, either overall or by division.

I am not singling you out, Byron, as I can find something good in just
about every costume I see, and I have to restrain myself from going
overboard on awards, especially when I’m doing Workmanship. But I would
like to use your statement as a jumping-off point for another masquerade-
and judging-related discussion.

At what point (percentage of the entrants receiving awards) should the
judges just give up and award EVERYBODY? I’m asking this because I have
seen several masquerades (including both Costume-Con and WorldCon) where,
out of a large field, only a small percentage of the entries did not
receive awards. Not unexpectedly, many of those entries had their
self-esteem and their feelings hurt. (“Gee, how bad is my entry if 85% of
the other entries got awards and I didn’t?!!”)

I think we all agree that losing sucks. But losing sucks less if you are
one of 70% that didn’t make it vs. one of 15% that didn’t make it. (The
competition was tough–you regroup and try harder next time.) Just as
winning is more meaningful if only 30% of the overall field got awards.
(The competition was tough, and you were one of the survivors.)

I am all for awarding excellence, and “I’m OK, you’re OK,” but let’s not go
overboard. If we award everybody, then we essentially award nobody.

–Karen

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Group: runacc Message: 1112 From: Byron Connell Date: 5/20/2005
Subject: Re: Tech rehearsals

I agree that tech rehearsal is not a time to rehearse the presentation. At Torcon, we rehearsed daily until the masquerade. In one group I was in, many years ago, we used the hotel’s roof to rehearse!

Byron

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From: Ricky & Karen Dick<mailto:castleb@pulsenet.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 10:10 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Tech rehearsals

At CC-23, the program said that one of the panel rooms would be available
as rehearsal space after programming was done for the day, but we found
that room locked up tight in the evenings.
(And it would probably have been a pain to move the chairs out of the way
and then re-set them.)
We ended up practicing in the parking lot, and it was fine, aside from
dodging the occasional car. It would NOT have been fine if it had been raining.

Practice space may be crucial for some contestants who (a) have not been
able to practice in advance of the con, or (b) may not have been able to
practice with all members of their group in advance of the con. I do agree
that the tech rehearsal time is NOT the time to be creating a presentation
from scratch; an entry should already have a pretty good idea of what
he/she/they are doing.

–Karen

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Group: runacc Message: 1113 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/21/2005
Subject: Re: Awards For ?

In a message dated 5/19/2005 8:44:21 PM Central Daylight Time,
castleb@pulsenet.com writes:

> At what point (percentage of the entrants receiving awards) should the
> judges just give up and award EVERYBODY?

In my opinion, if you have only about ten to 15 entries, either try to really
limit yourself, like one each best in their division and one BIS, unless you
have too many divisions, or everybody gets something. I was exposed to the
thought “Make sure ALL the kids get something,” but, if there are many kids, 20+,
that could be hard. I think that when you get to about 20 non-kid entries,
that’s about when to hit the point where not everybody wins. Unless, all but two
got something. Then I’d say be creative and come up with some award title.
Henry Osier
CostumeCon 28 in Milwaukee in 2010

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Group: runacc Message: 1114 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/21/2005
Subject: Attendance

In a message dated 5/19/2005 9:15:53 PM Central Daylight Time,
cgalway@xmission.com writes:

> but when we started our bid, we recieved wildly differing estimations of
> attendance, and we had to ask for a counting of every single con, and their
> geographical location, and then come up with our own estimate.

I like to plan a convention on the thought of “Expect X, but plan for X+50%”
If you plan for more than show up, you won;t be scrambling at the last minute
for supplies.
Henry Osier
CostumeCon 28 in Milwaukee in 2010

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Group: runacc Message: 1115 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/21/2005
Subject: Re: Tech rehearsals

In a message dated 5/19/2005 11:01:25 PM Central Daylight Time,
cgalway@xmission.com writes:

> And yes, I was very relieved when it stopped raining for CC-23.

You weren’t the only one! I had many contestants asking me about shuttle
possiblities.
Henry Osier
CostumeCon 28 in Milwaukee in 2010

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Group: runacc Message: 1116 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/23/2005
Subject: cool offer
‘k, this is just a CC26 thing, but it should be exciting for Carl,
Betsy and others into archiving and our history on video.

Last week we did “Guest of Honor” interviews with the BayConTV people
for this weekend. Christine said that they would be more than willing
to run a TV station for us at CC26.

As soon as we’ve got other infrastructure issues taken care of, we’re
going to be confirming with them. What does that mean?

Well, it means not having to worry about whether there’s a VCR or DVD
player available, or if there’s enough room after the masquerade to run
the video. We’re talking all-day programmed closed-circuit broadcasts
over the hotel cable system. They’re willing to run masquerade videos,
perhaps replay retrospective slidehows and videos and also run the new
masquerade videos through the closed-circuit.


andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen
http://www.irlm.org/ – mailto:webmaster@irlm.org
“Anybody who takes this seriously deserves to”
— Donna Barr

 

Group: runacc Message: 1117 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/23/2005
Subject: Re: cool offer

At 12:30 PM 5/23/2005 -0700, you wrote:

>’k, this is just a CC26 thing, but it should be exciting for Carl,
>Betsy and others into archiving and our history on video.

At CC-6, we took over one of the cable channels in the hotel and ran “CCTV”
all weekend.
Don’t remember what all we ran, but a lot of costume epic films (and maybe
some masquerades)?

This is a really GREAT thing if you can pull it off, but like you said, it
may be a CC26 thing only. Not all hotels will let you monkey with their
cable TV systems.

–Karen

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Group: runacc Message: 1118 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/23/2005
Subject: folio idea
Isaac Mizrahi once said he thought the whole fashion industry was
created and driven by sleep-deprivation, and at least exhaustion is
working for me here. Damned if I know where this idea came from, but
I’m thinking it might be a way to drive folio entries.

Project:Folio

Entrants register for Project:Folio in advance. It’s judged earlier
than the regular folio entries.

5 design briefs are written up for the Project:Folio challenges
(following dates are just dates)
Design briefs are released on the web and emailed to entrants on August
1 (yes, if they’re not online they’ll have to get friends to download
or receive the briefs for them).
Each entrant must complete a design based on each brief in a week.
Entries must be mailed or emailed by midnight, August 7

Folio judges choose a winner for each challenge and an overall winner
for the competition.

It may actually make sense to run this June or May depending when the
preceeding CC is scheduled. Probably easier to get entrants if it’s
being pimped at CC.


Andy Trembley, Bull-in-Drag
The Bovine Illuminati (It’s the Cows, Inc.)
http://www.bovil.com/
Moo!

 

Group: runacc Message: 1119 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/23/2005
Subject: Re: folio idea

In a message dated 5/23/2005 2:55:29 PM Central Daylight Time,
attrembl@bovil.com writes:

> Damned if I know where this idea came from, but
> I’m thinking it might be a way to drive folio entries.
>
> Project:Folio

I like the idea. Different and daring!
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1120 From: David Doering Date: 5/23/2005
Subject: Re: cool offer
We also checked into cable access at the Ogden Marriott for broadcasting
the archives, etc. Unfortunately, the age of their system didn’t allow this
option for sending out our own programming. Sigh.

Dave Doering

 

Group: runacc Message: 1121 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/23/2005
Subject: Re: cool offer

Dave–

You can’t have everything. And trying to handle “CCTV” on top of an already
full convention schedule can overtax a committee. Andy is lucky to have
another local group where he can farm it out.

The CC-26 “CCTV” program was not without its flaws. Randy Neff had to run
up to the cable room on the top floor of the hotel and change VHS tapes
every two hours, 24 hours a day. Brings new meaning to “sleep deprivation.”

We ran films with subtitles (Kurasawas’s “Ran”), which was a HUGE mistake,
as the poor folks sewing and beading in their rooms and watching TV wanted
the films as background “white noise,” and trying to read subtitles was
distracting.

The schedule got out of whack (as it inevitably does), and there was no
“slop time” programmed in so we could try to “synch up” the schedule again.

Some of the east-coast mainstream S/F conventions (Arisia?) have been able
to run their film programs on the hotel cable system.

–Karen

At 03:01 PM 5/23/2005 -0600, you wrote:

>We also checked into cable access at the Ogden Marriott for broadcasting
>the archives, etc. Unfortunately, the age of their system didn’t allow this
>option for sending out our own programming. Sigh.
>
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Group: runacc Message: 1122 From: David Doering Date: 5/23/2005
Subject: Re: cool offer
We also toyed with doing live internet-casting of at least the masquerades
if not more of the con. I had all the equipment to do it, but the issue was
the need for a high-speed connection–which was available but extremely
pricey at the convention center/theater as well as the hotel.

I do realize that these are not essentials, like the color zine, but would
be really cool to have.

Dave D.

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Group: runacc Message: 1123 From: Byron Connell Date: 5/23/2005
Subject: Re: folio idea

Interesting. How much would you put in the brief?

Byron

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From: Andrew T Trembley<mailto:attrembl@bovil.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 3:53 PM
Subject: [runacc] folio idea

Isaac Mizrahi once said he thought the whole fashion industry was
created and driven by sleep-deprivation, and at least exhaustion is
working for me here. Damned if I know where this idea came from, but
I’m thinking it might be a way to drive folio entries.

Project:Folio

Entrants register for Project:Folio in advance. It’s judged earlier
than the regular folio entries.

5 design briefs are written up for the Project:Folio challenges
(following dates are just dates)
Design briefs are released on the web and emailed to entrants on August
1 (yes, if they’re not online they’ll have to get friends to download
or receive the briefs for them).
Each entrant must complete a design based on each brief in a week.
Entries must be mailed or emailed by midnight, August 7

Folio judges choose a winner for each challenge and an overall winner
for the competition.

It may actually make sense to run this June or May depending when the
preceeding CC is scheduled. Probably easier to get entrants if it’s
being pimped at CC.


Andy Trembley, Bull-in-Drag
The Bovine Illuminati (It’s the Cows, Inc.)
http://www.bovil.com/<http://www.bovil.com/>
Moo!

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Group: runacc Message: 1124 From: Bruno Date: 5/23/2005
Subject: Re: folio idea

An idea I had for boosting fashion show entries would be to have a “Featured
Designer” competition. Entrants would submit their sketches for a
collection, under the agreement that if they are selected as the featured
designer, they will show their collection of X number of pieces at the
fashion show. Non-winning collections will be thrown in with the folio.
The Featured Designer does not have their collection in the folio, to
inspire curiosity for people to attend the show.

Yes, it’s a lot of work for the Featured Designer, but it would boost the
show.

Bruno

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Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] folio idea

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> > Damned if I know where this idea came from, but
> > I’m thinking it might be a way to drive folio entries.
> >
> > Project:Folio
> I like the idea. Different and daring!
> Henry
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Group: runacc Message: 1125 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/23/2005
Subject: Re: folio idea

On May 23, 2005, at 5:28 PM, Byron Connell wrote:

> Interesting. How much would you put in the brief?

I was thinking of a cross between the Project:Runway briefs (relatively
short) and the design assignment briefs that Jenni posted. Probably no
more than a paragraph per brief, some much shorter.

For example, a really short brief:
Challenge #1 is to design a formal gown to wear to the royal coronation
of an aquatic principality.


andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
San Jose, CA – ’72 R75/5 ’86 R100 (mine) – ’92 K75sa ’03 R1150R
(Kevin’s)
“It’s not pink, it’s peach-colored. Pink is tacky.”
–Manfred Pfirsich Marie Rommel

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Group: runacc Message: 1126 From: Byron Connell Date: 5/23/2005
Subject: Re: cool offer

Cool is in the eye of the beholder. Internet-casting of CC 23 events would be for the purpose of connecting the con with those not attending rather than with the attendees. That could be valuable publicity for costume-cons in general or for the next cc’s down the line. Would the con’s model releases have covered making images available publicly on the Internet?

I’m not sure there’s a great deal of utility to showing major events like masquerades live over the hotel’s video system. We want to encourage cc members to attend those events and fill the audience, not sit in their rooms where the entrants don’t hear their reactions. At Worldcons and big regional sf cons, on the other hand, the auditorium may not be big enough for the potential attendance and a live video feed would be better than an overflow room.

Using the hotel video system to replay tapes of the masquerades makes more sense, especially for those of us who are so exhausted at the end of an event that all they want to do is crash. (That’s me! I almost never get to the immediately post-event screening. The last time I felt up to doing so, I was not able to even get into the room, let alone see the screen.)

Byron

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From: David Doering<mailto:dave@techvoice.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] cool offer

We also toyed with doing live internet-casting of at least the masquerades
if not more of the con. I had all the equipment to do it, but the issue was
the need for a high-speed connection–which was available but extremely
pricey at the convention center/theater as well as the hotel.

I do realize that these are not essentials, like the color zine, but would
be really cool to have.

Dave D.

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Group: runacc Message: 1127 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/23/2005
Subject: Re: cool offer

On May 23, 2005, at 6:10 PM, Byron Connell wrote:

> I’m not sure there’s a great deal of utility to showing major events
> like masquerades live over the hotel’s video system. We want to
> encourage cc members to attend those events and fill the audience, not
> sit in their rooms where the entrants don’t hear their reactions. At
> Worldcons and big regional sf cons, on the other hand, the auditorium
> may not be big enough for the potential attendance and a live video
> feed would be better than an overflow room.

You’ve got that right.

In addition to doing the interview, we also recorded some “bumps” which
reflect BCTV’s attitude about where they fit in the grand scheme of the
convention:

“BCTV! Don’t watch it!”
“BCTV! Surely you have something better to do!”
“BCTV! Help keep us in the Nielsen basement!”
“BCTV! Finish your sewing, and get back to the con!”

They do replays of a few major events (GoH presentations, masquerade
and such) and a few special programs but no simulcasts and mostly just
provide filler for when you’ve got to be in your room for a while.


Andy Trembley, Bull-in-Drag
The Bovine Illuminati (It’s the Cows, Inc.)
http://www.bovil.com/
Moo!

 

Group: runacc Message: 1128 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/25/2005
Subject: Fwd: [ICG-D] dollmaking at Costume Events

Most of you probably read this on ICG-D, but Kayta offered up a
fascinating format for a project-based workshop that, rather than
taking up a programming room for a large period of time, would be
distributed across the day or the weekend. I could see this applied to
any number of things besides dolls; for example a blackwork or smocking
panel where the end-result is a small sampler that can later be used
for reference.

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows <Kayta@FunStuft.com>
> Speaking both as a dollmaker who could give such a class as you
> mention,
> and as the person running the doll show/contest at CC26, I think your
> idea
> has merit. But I think it could not be run the way it is run at doll
> conventions because CostumeCon is a different animal.
>
> At a CC it would have to be a really simple doll, there’d have to be a
> kit,
> and the whole thing would have to fit into a regular panel/workshop
> slot. (You might have to call the doll a “Fashion Baby”, or whatever
> the
> name is for those historical dolls that pre-dated printed fashion
> magazines.) You’d just about have time to pass around a sample of the
> doll
> to be made, to get people started on their kits, and to answer a few
> questions. Then the panel would be over. The instructor would have to
> arrange to be available, like in the Con Suite, at specific times in
> the
> evenings, to answer further questions (entirely do-able). And the kit
> would have to be designed for maximum portability, like with the entire
> pattern already printed on a single piece of fabric. But at a CC it
> would
> be entirely possible to expect people to already have their own
> needles,
> thread, pins, and scissors.
>
> Stuffing such a doll, at a convention, would be the only real problem.
> I
> can’t see people wanting to drag around a pillow-sized bag of stuffing
> all
> day. But this too could be provided at the Con Suite in the evenings,
> as
> an optional part of the kit for people actually doing the sewing at the
> Con. And a no-cost stuffing tool can be made from a drinking straw.
>
> I like the idea, and think I’ll try it at CC26 (Committee willing and
> the
> creek don’t rise…).
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Group: runacc Message: 1129 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/25/2005
Subject: Re: Fwd: [ICG-D] dollmaking at Costume Events

At 11:45 AM 5/25/2005 -0700, you wrote:

>Most of you probably read this on ICG-D, but Kayta offered up a
>fascinating format for a project-based workshop that, rather than
>taking up a programming room for a large period of time, would be
>distributed across the day or the weekend. I could see this applied to
>any number of things besides dolls; for example a blackwork or smocking
>panel where the end-result is a small sampler that can later be used
>for reference.

It might work for beading or ribbonworking projects, too. Or cartridge
pleating. Anything that can be hand-sewn vs. machine sewn.

Sounds like an interesting concept.

As the competitions and Fashion Shows at Costume-Con have evolved (with
associated tech rehearsals, dress rehearsals, pre-judging, etc.), more and
more of the competitors’ time is eaten up with these items instead of
panels, and, sadly, trying to keep a large block of time open to attend a
workshop is virtually impossible for people intending to compete. We always
try to support the competitions, as they are the “backbone” of Costume-Con,
but we like to learn new things, too, so it can be a hard choice.

This doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t try to do workshops. But we should keep
a watchful eye on attendance to see if they are a “worth it” item.

The ribbonwork class I took from Candace Kling at CC-12 was very much
“worth it.”

–Karen

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Group: runacc Message: 1130 From: David Doering Date: 5/25/2005
Subject: Hotel Contract
I want to bring up the CC23 experience with various topics as part of the
pool of knowledge here on RunACC. First, the hotel contract.

I note that in this week’s Meeting News, the newspaper for professional
meeting planners, they highlight the growing trend towards “standardized
contracts” (like Marty Gear’s CC template). Major corporations such as IBM,
Bank of America, Pfizer, etc. now present hotels with their own contracts
(customized to their needs) rather than use the hotel’s.

This should mean that our presenting the CC template contract in the future
should not come as so great a surprise to hotel sales managers as it has in
the past. (Like what happened to Bruce Mai).

Second, I should mention that in our case, our sales manager wasn’t as well
versed in contracts as she might have been. This became clear after I
pointed out some absurd items (mentioned below) and she wasn’t even aware
of them.

So I took it that we have to be like partners with the hotel in working out
the agreement, rather than an “us vs. them” attitude. Because it could just
be that the sales manager really doesn’t understand the contract and needs
to review it.

We presented the CC template contract to the hotel and had a meeting with
them using the contract as talking points. In the end, we used various
parts of the template to modify their “standard contract” to match our
specific needs.

I had only a minor push-back by the sales manager in arranging this
meeting. She agreed that we should meet and make the contract work when I
explained to her the following:

“We both know the turnover in the hospitality industry. Everyone on staff
today may not be here a year from now. The hotel may have a new management
company as well. Also, Charles and I might not be in the picture (for
health reasons or otherwise). So doesn’t it make sense that the contract
stand on its own, to express what you and I agree to without you and I
having to explain what an item means, especially if you and I aren’t here
by then?”

With that, she agreed to sit down and modify her contract. As it was,
neither she nor her successor were on hand at the hotel for Costume-Con.
Instead, it was their replacement–so it was worthwhile to have things
settled ahead of time.

The absurd items I mentioned were quick to deal with. The “standard”
contract forbade us from showing their logo, linking to their site, or even
to show the hotel map to anyone without express written permission.
Finally, the “standard” contract required the con to make good on
“unsettled guest charges”.

No one at the hotel could explain why such provisions were in the contract,
since they clearly hurt our ability to hold meetings or otherwise made us
responsible for charges we shouldn’t be held accountable for.

So these provisions were crossed out or modified to correctly express our
usage needs.

On several items I ended up not fighting over. For example, the final
contract did not include the template’s provision on ice machines. I took a
survey of the existing machines, and, since it appeared that all the
machines were in good repair and clearly working, I decided that bringing
it pointedly to the attention of the hotel was enough.

The 24-hour hot tub privilege also wasn’t included because it was simpler
to agree to inform Hotel Security and the Night Manager about our using the
hot tub late nights than make a contract issue of it. As it was, no one
stayed in the hot tub later than 1 or 1:30AM, so it never became a problem.

We did include the “no corkage” provision for the consuite as well as
outside food and beverage for the dealers room. (In fact, the hotel ended
up doing us one better by sending a waiter into the room to take orders
from the dealers.)

We also agreed not to have any construction going on or elevator
maintenance scheduled. Unfortunately, they would not agree to have a
24-hour-available maintenance person, primarily because Ogden doesn’t have
a 24-hour service locally. We also figured that since the hotel only has
eight floors, and because we had put the consuite on the ground floor,
(eliminating much of the up/down work during party hours) we figured that
the provision for elevator failures was less of a priority.

I’ll follow up on room block and attrition next.

Dave Doering

 

Group: runacc Message: 1131 From: Charles Date: 5/26/2005
Subject: Re: Hotel Contract

CONduit ran into a similar provision in their recent standard hotel contract — where it sounded like it was not permitted to use the name of the hotel in things like publicity flyers.

The late-night hot-tub was a bit of a multi-faceted issue. Part of what made the late night tub possible, was the blocking of rooms surrounding the tub, plus the very late-night hours that the exercise room was normally open — hence access to the tub. In our very first discussion with the hotel they had said “no” on the late tub hours. But new manangement, plus the collections of conditions, allowed for extended hours.

When I have worked with hotel liason for CONduit (not recently), I try to understand what they are comfortable offering. I have the impression that the first sales-person I talk to hates to say “no”. But they might come back with extra fees, or wind up not being able to come through with everything. With something like late-night hot-tub, it helps to double-check, as time passes. In one case, the week-end manager (usually not the sales-manager) may let folks stay out later, if they don’t bother anyone.

I get uneasy if there is a reliance on just a “contract”. An example is if the hotel is sold, and new manangement doesn’t really want you there. The contract could still be binding, but they may still find a way to add costs, or make things uncomfortable. In the case of CC-23, they did want us there (the hotel was never sold), and we were able to make our expectations clear enough that neither side came out with painful surprises.

It did take us a number of iterations to get the contract written the way we wanted, and at one point they were pushing us to get it signed ASAP. But we think it was because one person was leaving, and the reason we were not rushing, is they had not been adquately cleaning up the spots that needed to be fixed. i.e. it was partly their own system slowing us down.

Someone at CC-23 pointed out that cons basically never take contracts as first written.

Charles

—– Original Message —–
From: David Doering
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 6:58 PM
Subject: [runacc] Hotel Contract

I want to bring up the CC23 experience with various topics as part of the
pool of knowledge here on RunACC. First, the hotel contract.

I note that in this week’s Meeting News, the newspaper for professional
meeting planners, they highlight the growing trend towards “standardized
contracts” (like Marty Gear’s CC template). Major corporations such as IBM,
Bank of America, Pfizer, etc. now present hotels with their own contracts
(customized to their needs) rather than use the hotel’s.

This should mean that our presenting the CC template contract in the future
should not come as so great a surprise to hotel sales managers as it has in
the past. (Like what happened to Bruce Mai).

Second, I should mention that in our case, our sales manager wasn’t as well
versed in contracts as she might have been. This became clear after I
pointed out some absurd items (mentioned below) and she wasn’t even aware
of them.

So I took it that we have to be like partners with the hotel in working out
the agreement, rather than an “us vs. them” attitude. Because it could just
be that the sales manager really doesn’t understand the contract and needs
to review it.

We presented the CC template contract to the hotel and had a meeting with
them using the contract as talking points. In the end, we used various
parts of the template to modify their “standard contract” to match our
specific needs.

I had only a minor push-back by the sales manager in arranging this
meeting. She agreed that we should meet and make the contract work when I
explained to her the following:

“We both know the turnover in the hospitality industry. Everyone on staff
today may not be here a year from now. The hotel may have a new management
company as well. Also, Charles and I might not be in the picture (for
health reasons or otherwise). So doesn’t it make sense that the contract
stand on its own, to express what you and I agree to without you and I
having to explain what an item means, especially if you and I aren’t here
by then?”

With that, she agreed to sit down and modify her contract. As it was,
neither she nor her successor were on hand at the hotel for Costume-Con.
Instead, it was their replacement–so it was worthwhile to have things
settled ahead of time.

The absurd items I mentioned were quick to deal with. The “standard”
contract forbade us from showing their logo, linking to their site, or even
to show the hotel map to anyone without express written permission.
Finally, the “standard” contract required the con to make good on
“unsettled guest charges”.

No one at the hotel could explain why such provisions were in the contract,
since they clearly hurt our ability to hold meetings or otherwise made us
responsible for charges we shouldn’t be held accountable for.

So these provisions were crossed out or modified to correctly express our
usage needs.

On several items I ended up not fighting over. For example, the final
contract did not include the template’s provision on ice machines. I took a
survey of the existing machines, and, since it appeared that all the
machines were in good repair and clearly working, I decided that bringing
it pointedly to the attention of the hotel was enough.

The 24-hour hot tub privilege also wasn’t included because it was simpler
to agree to inform Hotel Security and the Night Manager about our using the
hot tub late nights than make a contract issue of it. As it was, no one
stayed in the hot tub later than 1 or 1:30AM, so it never became a problem.

We did include the “no corkage” provision for the consuite as well as
outside food and beverage for the dealers room. (In fact, the hotel ended
up doing us one better by sending a waiter into the room to take orders
from the dealers.)

We also agreed not to have any construction going on or elevator
maintenance scheduled. Unfortunately, they would not agree to have a
24-hour-available maintenance person, primarily because Ogden doesn’t have
a 24-hour service locally. We also figured that since the hotel only has
eight floors, and because we had put the consuite on the ground floor,
(eliminating much of the up/down work during party hours) we figured that
the provision for elevator failures was less of a priority.

I’ll follow up on room block and attrition next.

Dave Doering

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Group: runacc Message: 1132 From: Bruno Date: 5/26/2005
Subject: Fw: CostumeCon Cosplayer report!

I had one of the young anime costumers that came out from CO, write up some feedback on her impressions and experiences at CC. The first part is directed at other cosplayers, but does provide some insight on how this generation thinks and feels about costuming. I’m sure that there are some nuggets of wisdom here, which can be used to help bridge the gap between the CC and Cosplay generations.

Michael

—– Original Message —–

I’m a cosplayer who survived her first CostumeCon! Or atleast that’s how I felt when I cam back from CostumeCon 23. It was highly educational but there were some things that were not very enjoyable. As one of the younger generation into costuming but coming at it from a cosplay sort of view, here are my thoughts about what cosplayers should know about CostumeCon and what CostumeCon should know about cosplayers.

I’ll start with what cosplayers should know about CostumeCon. First of all, this is not an anime convention where you can sit for hours watching anime. All day long there are panels on costuming, which are amazing, but are panels nonetheless. If you are not interested in learning about how to make a better costume, CostumeCon is probably not for you.

Secondly, it isn’t a fan-con, so there are going to be many more original costumes than you are used to. Why this may not seem important, take heed. Just because your Inu Yasha costume has absolutely perfect seams and your wig is JUST right does not mean you are going to beat the lady in the huge sparkly dress with working wings, or the giant mascot costume of the Charmin Bear that has a workable jaw. If you plan on competing, be ready to have your costume looked at as JUST a costume, not a character.

Thirdly, as I said before, this isn’t a fan con, so if you want to meet people, it is probably smarter to take the initiative and talk to people. I promise, the man with the sixteenth century military uniform will love to explain to you how he made his hat. You do have something in common with everyone at the con, and that is creativity. Everyone is happy to talk about their own creativity, so try not to be shy.

Next, when they have a panel that says, “Entering your first masquerade” that should translate to you: “Entering Your First Masquerade at a
Non-fan-con.” GO TO IT. Even if you are used to competing with elaborate skits, the nature of cosplay skits and costume presentations are pretty different. If nothing else, it will ease any anxieties you have about the different setting.

Why do CostumeCon people care about this? Well, if you want to focus on cosplayers, putting a little FAQ on the web sight for the con, or on a flyer you plan to pass out at an anime convention will be a very good idea. Which brings me to the stuff you really care about, how to get cosplayers to come to CostumeCon?

The major thing is to talk it up as early as possible. Since cosplay is a much younger crowd, they have to take finances into consideration to a much higher extent. Not only is registration cheaper the earlier you register for CostumeCon, but cosplayers tend to map out at the beginning of the year or earlier what conventions they are going to do. Randomly adding a convention even a year before hand, especially since the registration cost for CostumeCon are well over any anime con’s cost, is not going to garnish very good results. Outreach programs are the way to go, both online and at actual conventions. Seeing if you can stick a flyer in AnimeExpo and Otakon’s registration goody bags(AnimeExpo is in July, Otakon is in February) for the CostumeCon the following year would be a good idea and would reach tons of cosplayers.

However, once you start advertising early enough, you will have no problem appealing to cosplayers. Many cosplayers want to get better at what they do and don’t find very much satisfaction in panels at anime conventions, because they are normally catered to novices. Also, there are a few cosplayers already going to CostumeCon that know the cosplaying community. Utilize them to single out specific cosplayers who they know would like to come. There is a definite hierarchy in cosplay, along with massive online communication. If one key cosplayer goes to CostumeCon and loves it, a lot more will go simply because that one person recommended it.

The biggest problem CostumeCon is going to have is not getting cosplayers to come, but making them want to come back. The atmosphere of an anime con is so vastly different from CostumeCon that I felt secluded and very out of place as a cosplayer at CostumeCon. I know my friend who went to CostumeCon with me also felt the same way. I’ll try to explain the feeling and differences as much as I can, and how CostumeCon can make the transition a bit easier for young cosplayers.

The first thing that puts the cosplayer as unease is that CostumeCon and cosplayers have very different views of costuming. For cosplayers, you are recreating the character with as much accuracy as possible, while at CostumeCon, it is to create the best costume you can. Suddenly a cosplayer’s costume that was the biggest hit at their anime con is completely outclassed by almost everyone around them. That in itself is a very frightening feeling. A young cosplayer might feel even more hesitant because it comes off that the people of CostumeCon are a very tight knit group who know everyone else. Add to the fact that the vast majority are their elders by many years, young cosplayers feel very alone.

That feeling of insecurity is compounded by the attitudes of the costumers. At an anime convention, there is so much energy. If people don’t know who your costume is, they will come up and ask. Because not everyone at an anime convention cosplays, those that do cosplay, whether
their costume is the best at the con or not, will get atleast one or two compliments and questions about it.

At CostumeCon, unless the costume is particularly jaw dropping, no one asks anything about the costume. Neither my friend nor I were asked who our characters were when we were in our cosplay costumes, or commented on the costume. This gives off the impression that no one else at the convention is interested in either the costume or costumer.

If you really want to understand just how different a situation cosplayers are used to, go to your local anime convention for a Saturday. I can almost guarantee there is one near you; just this year alone seven new anime conventions were created in the US. Just type in your state and anime convention on google and see what pops up. www.fansview.com has a pretty good list of the convention dates and locations through out the year. A step even better is to volunteer at the anime convention as a craftsmanship judge for the masquerade. Most conventions are always hurting for qualified judges. Or, if you don’t want to actually go to a convention or you can’t find one near you, go download some of the cosplay masquerade tapes at www.cosplaymemories.com to also get a taste of what a cosplayers is used to.

This is not meant to sound accusatory of the people at CostumeCon. I completely understand that it’s hard to be interested in something that you know nothing about, but it does give off the wrong impression that cosplayers aren’t welcomed. This all leads to the main thing that CostumeCon can do to keep cosplayers coming back. It is both simple and yet I have no idea exactly how you would implement it.

CostumeCon needs to help cosplayers feel like they are welcomed there. To do that, it might take some educating among CostumeCon goers themselves. Not about anime or video games, but that cosplayers are coming into a very different situation than they are used to. That talking to them, making them atleast feel noticed and appreciated that they are new to the field and what they have done is a good start. I’m sure many of you have seen people who you know are new and have that look of slight fear in their eyes. Go talk to them! Tell them about your funny stories of the masquerade and ask them where their from. Especially ask them about their costume. Panels like “Meet the Novices” are all well and good, but at the end of the panel, very few people stay to actually talk with the novices, and even fewer say hello to them at another panel, or check to see how they are doing later in the con.

I am actually very optimistic about CostumeCon being a new place for cosplayers to go to learn from older and more experienced costumers. I enjoyed all of the panels that I attended at CC23. I was also lucky enough to meet Marty Gear and he kept talking with me and checking in with me throughout the convention. Even a smile across the hall was very nice. If more people had come talk to me, I think I would have had an even better time. I am planning on going to CC24, with a feeling that I have a much better understanding of what I am getting into, and determined to bring more cosplayers with me this time! You guys just be ready for us!

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Group: runacc Message: 1133 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 5/26/2005
Subject: [Fwd: [ICG-D] help]
Sadly, this would make two of us. The coordinator for the Single Pattern
Contest/Future Fashion Show has not provided me with a list of entries,
or of awards. I wasn’t in the audience – I was in the green room, and
with no video feed, there was no way to know who got what.

I’m going to have to get this information off of the video, assuming I
receive one…

As I requested before the con, the Costume-Con Archivist requires this
information for our records.

The same info is needed for the other competitions as well. To date, the
only one who has provided complete information (all entries and all
awards) is the Pettingers for the doll contest.

I know I have seen some of the information in the at-con newsletters,
but it isn’t complete (the SF participants are listed for the
non-awarded entries, but their entries are not).

I already have the photos in my hands. These lists are essential to the
building of the archives. If I have to get the info off the video, I can
NOT promise proper spelling of the names.

Masquerade directors: PLEASE get this information to me ASAP! And Con
Chairs: If the directors aren’t on this list, PLEASE pass this request
on to them ASAP!

I’m working on the site as soon as the newsletter goes out.

Thanks,

Betsy

——– Original Message ——–
Subject: [ICG-D] help
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 13:36:43 -0400
From: C. D. Mami <c.mami@verizon.net>
Reply-To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com
To: <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>

The Archives need help
We need to know the Name & proper spelling of the costume made and worn by
Dick & Julia Hyll in the single patern costest
Thanks
Carl

Yahoo! Groups Links

 

Group: runacc Message: 1134 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/26/2005
Subject: Re: Fw: CostumeCon Cosplayer report!

Excellent! What a great report. Thanks for getting this for us, Mike.
This person (name?) is someone I very much want to meet because they have
very clear and reasonable expectations. Please tell her/him how much we
appreciate the input.
May we (or will you) forward this to the CC25 list because we already have
some plans to attract the cosplayers and some fun ideas for greeting newbies
and making them comfortable.
And I’m especially glad to hear that they had a good enough time that
they’re planning on coming to CC24 (hopefully CC25 as well).

Nora

—– Original Message —–
From: “Bruno” <bruno@soulmasque.com>

> I had one of the young anime costumers that came out from CO, write up
some feedback on her impressions and experiences at CC. The first part is
directed at other cosplayers, but does provide some insight on how this
generation thinks and feels about costuming. I’m sure that there are some
nuggets of wisdom here, which can be used to help bridge the gap between the
CC and Cosplay generations.
>
>
> Michael
>
> —– Original Message —–
>
>
> I’m a cosplayer who survived her first CostumeCon! Or atleast that’s
how I felt when I cam back from CostumeCon 23. It was highly educational but
there were some things that were not very enjoyable. As one of the younger
generation into costuming but coming at it from a cosplay sort of view, here
are my thoughts about what cosplayers should know about CostumeCon and what
CostumeCon should know about cosplayers.
>
> I’ll start with what cosplayers should know about CostumeCon. First
of all, this is not an anime convention where you can sit for hours watching
anime. All day long there are panels on costuming, which are amazing, but
are panels nonetheless. If you are not interested in learning about how to
make a better costume, CostumeCon is probably not for you.
>
> Secondly, it isn’t a fan-con, so there are going to be many more
original costumes than you are used to. Why this may not seem important,
take heed. Just because your Inu Yasha costume has absolutely perfect seams
and your wig is JUST right does not mean you are going to beat the lady in
the huge sparkly dress with working wings, or the giant mascot costume of
the Charmin Bear that has a workable jaw. If you plan on competing, be ready
to have your costume looked at as JUST a costume, not a character.
>
> Thirdly, as I said before, this isn’t a fan con, so if you want to
meet people, it is probably smarter to take the initiative and talk to
people. I promise, the man with the sixteenth century military uniform will
love to explain to you how he made his hat. You do have something in common
with everyone at the con, and that is creativity. Everyone is happy to talk
about their own creativity, so try not to be shy.
>
> Next, when they have a panel that says, “Entering your first
masquerade” that should translate to you: “Entering Your First Masquerade at
a
> Non-fan-con.” GO TO IT. Even if you are used to competing with elaborate
skits, the nature of cosplay skits and costume presentations are pretty
different. If nothing else, it will ease any anxieties you have about the
different setting.
>
> Why do CostumeCon people care about this? Well, if you want to focus
on cosplayers, putting a little FAQ on the web sight for the con, or on a
flyer you plan to pass out at an anime convention will be a very good idea.
Which brings me to the stuff you really care about, how to get cosplayers to
come to CostumeCon?
>
> The major thing is to talk it up as early as possible. Since cosplay
is a much younger crowd, they have to take finances into consideration to a
much higher extent. Not only is registration cheaper the earlier you
register for CostumeCon, but cosplayers tend to map out at the beginning of
the year or earlier what conventions they are going to do. Randomly adding a
convention even a year before hand, especially since the registration cost
for CostumeCon are well over any anime con’s cost, is not going to garnish
very good results. Outreach programs are the way to go, both online and at
actual conventions. Seeing if you can stick a flyer in AnimeExpo and
Otakon’s registration goody bags(AnimeExpo is in July, Otakon is in
February) for the CostumeCon the following year would be a good idea and
would reach tons of cosplayers.
>
> However, once you start advertising early enough, you will have no
problem appealing to cosplayers. Many cosplayers want to get better at what
they do and don’t find very much satisfaction in panels at anime
conventions, because they are normally catered to novices. Also, there are a
few cosplayers already going to CostumeCon that know the cosplaying
community. Utilize them to single out specific cosplayers who they know
would like to come. There is a definite hierarchy in cosplay, along with
massive online communication. If one key cosplayer goes to CostumeCon and
loves it, a lot more will go simply because that one person recommended it.
>
> The biggest problem CostumeCon is going to have is not getting
cosplayers to come, but making them want to come back. The atmosphere of an
anime con is so vastly different from CostumeCon that I felt secluded and
very out of place as a cosplayer at CostumeCon. I know my friend who went to
CostumeCon with me also felt the same way. I’ll try to explain the feeling
and differences as much as I can, and how CostumeCon can make the transition
a bit easier for young cosplayers.
>
> The first thing that puts the cosplayer as unease is that CostumeCon
and cosplayers have very different views of costuming. For cosplayers, you
are recreating the character with as much accuracy as possible, while at
CostumeCon, it is to create the best costume you can. Suddenly a cosplayer’s
costume that was the biggest hit at their anime con is completely outclassed
by almost everyone around them. That in itself is a very frightening
feeling. A young cosplayer might feel even more hesitant because it comes
off that the people of CostumeCon are a very tight knit group who know
everyone else. Add to the fact that the vast majority are their elders by
many years, young cosplayers feel very alone.
>
> That feeling of insecurity is compounded by the attitudes of the
costumers. At an anime convention, there is so much energy. If people don’t
know who your costume is, they will come up and ask. Because not everyone at
an anime convention cosplays, those that do cosplay, whether
> their costume is the best at the con or not, will get atleast one or two
compliments and questions about it.
>
> At CostumeCon, unless the costume is particularly jaw dropping, no
one asks anything about the costume. Neither my friend nor I were asked who
our characters were when we were in our cosplay costumes, or commented on
the costume. This gives off the impression that no one else at the
convention is interested in either the costume or costumer.
>
> If you really want to understand just how different a situation
cosplayers are used to, go to your local anime convention for a Saturday. I
can almost guarantee there is one near you; just this year alone seven new
anime conventions were created in the US. Just type in your state and anime
convention on google and see what pops up. www.fansview.com has a pretty
good list of the convention dates and locations through out the year. A step
even better is to volunteer at the anime convention as a craftsmanship judge
for the masquerade. Most conventions are always hurting for qualified
judges. Or, if you don’t want to actually go to a convention or you can’t
find one near you, go download some of the cosplay masquerade tapes at
www.cosplaymemories.com to also get a taste of what a cosplayers is used to.
>
> This is not meant to sound accusatory of the people at CostumeCon. I
completely understand that it’s hard to be interested in something that you
know nothing about, but it does give off the wrong impression that
cosplayers aren’t welcomed. This all leads to the main thing that CostumeCon
can do to keep cosplayers coming back. It is both simple and yet I have no
idea exactly how you would implement it.
>
> CostumeCon needs to help cosplayers feel like they are welcomed
there. To do that, it might take some educating among CostumeCon goers
themselves. Not about anime or video games, but that cosplayers are coming
into a very different situation than they are used to. That talking to them,
making them atleast feel noticed and appreciated that they are new to the
field and what they have done is a good start. I’m sure many of you have
seen people who you know are new and have that look of slight fear in their
eyes. Go talk to them! Tell them about your funny stories of the masquerade
and ask them where their from. Especially ask them about their costume.
Panels like “Meet the Novices” are all well and good, but at the end of the
panel, very few people stay to actually talk with the novices, and even
fewer say hello to them at another panel, or check to see how they are doing
later in the con.
>
> I am actually very optimistic about CostumeCon being a new place for
cosplayers to go to learn from older and more experienced costumers. I
enjoyed all of the panels that I attended at CC23. I was also lucky enough
to meet Marty Gear and he kept talking with me and checking in with me
throughout the convention. Even a smile across the hall was very nice. If
more people had come talk to me, I think I would have had an even better
time. I am planning on going to CC24, with a feeling that I have a much
better understanding of what I am getting into, and determined to bring more
cosplayers with me this time! You guys just be ready for us!
>
> ———-
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Group: runacc Message: 1135 From: David Doering Date: 5/26/2005
Subject: Re: Fw: CostumeCon Cosplayer report!

Yes, this is an invaluable report and hopefully the start of a great bit of
improvement for us.

One comment from me where she states: “At CostumeCon, unless the costume is
particularly jaw dropping, no

>one asks anything about the costume.”

Sadly, this is all too true of fandom in general (but perhaps not Anime
cons). For years, the LASFS, the LA area’s big SF club, circulated a flyer
for their new members to say that these new members would be showered with
attention while they decided about joining. Once they did join, however,
the flyer said “you’ll be treated like a piece of the furniture”.

I have been to plenty of cons and club meetings where, if I didn’t make the
effort, no one said one word to me.

I am not sure why this is. Maybe it’s our shy natures that has driven us to
a hobby like costuming that excels at drawing attention. Yet when it comes
to saying hello, even a great costume isn’t enough to get us to move.

Personally, actually meeting people like Betsy, Pierre, Carl, Byron, et.
al. was intimidating as heck the first time. I knew them by great
reputation and I worried that a neo out of Utah wasn’t worth spending a
minute of time on, let alone pay attention to by these Ghods of Costuming.

So I can appreciate our new cosplayer’s feelings. And, curiously enough, it
was also Marty Gear’s kindness during ConFrancisco’s masquerade years ago
that wooed my wife and I to active costuming–like it may have for our
cosplayer. Thanks, Marty.

Dave Doering

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Group: runacc Message: 1136 From: Byron Connell Date: 5/26/2005
Subject: Re: [Fwd: [ICG-D] help]

Betsy —

I have the names of the entrants in the Single Pattern Contest and the FFS; however, the lists I was given do not include the entry titles. I also have the running orders for SF&F and Historical. I’ll re-key them and send them to you off line.

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: Betsy Delaney<mailto:bdelaney@hawkeswood.com>
To: Run a Costume-Con Mailing List<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: C. D. Mami<mailto:c.mami@verizon.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 6:28 PM
Subject: [runacc] [Fwd: [ICG-D] help]

Sadly, this would make two of us. The coordinator for the Single Pattern
Contest/Future Fashion Show has not provided me with a list of entries,
or of awards. I wasn’t in the audience – I was in the green room, and
with no video feed, there was no way to know who got what.

I’m going to have to get this information off of the video, assuming I
receive one…

As I requested before the con, the Costume-Con Archivist requires this
information for our records.

The same info is needed for the other competitions as well. To date, the
only one who has provided complete information (all entries and all
awards) is the Pettingers for the doll contest.

I know I have seen some of the information in the at-con newsletters,
but it isn’t complete (the SF participants are listed for the
non-awarded entries, but their entries are not).

I already have the photos in my hands. These lists are essential to the
building of the archives. If I have to get the info off the video, I can
NOT promise proper spelling of the names.

Masquerade directors: PLEASE get this information to me ASAP! And Con
Chairs: If the directors aren’t on this list, PLEASE pass this request
on to them ASAP!

I’m working on the site as soon as the newsletter goes out.

Thanks,

Betsy

——– Original Message ——–
Subject: [ICG-D] help
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 13:36:43 -0400
From: C. D. Mami <c.mami@verizon.net>
Reply-To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com
To: <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>

The Archives need help
We need to know the Name & proper spelling of the costume made and worn by
Dick & Julia Hyll in the single patern costest
Thanks
Carl

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Group: runacc Message: 1137 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 5/26/2005
Subject: Re: [Fwd: [ICG-D] help]

Excellent, Byron! Thank you!!!

Any portion of information on this subject will help. Between the paper
notes and the video, I can usually put all the pieces together. All I
have right now are the newsletters, and while they are good, they aren’t
perfect!

Trivia: The CC site is constructed in running order, not in division
order. When I started doing it, the lists were based on the lists Pierre
(and Sandy?) had compiled of the entries as they appeared on the video
records. That’s why some of the name and entry spellings aren’t accurate
– hearing isn’t necessarily knowing. I’ve made at least two dozen
corrections over time to different entries as people have noticed the
errors.

I can do (and have done) similar lists, but my hearing is going, and
sometimes the sound on these tapes is simply dreadful, even for someone
with perfectly good ears. So a written record is absolutely essential.

Furthermore, there will come a time (in the not so distant future, now)
when I will not be collecting this information. Karen and Ricky will
eventually be taking the tasks over. Getting the process established now
will help when the transition takes place.

Hope this helps!

Betsy

Byron Connell wrote:

> Betsy —
>
> I have the names of the entrants in the Single Pattern Contest and the FFS; however, the lists I was given do not include the entry titles. I also have the running orders for SF&F and Historical. I’ll re-key them and send them to you off line.
>
> Byron
>
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: Betsy Delaney<mailto:bdelaney@hawkeswood.com>
> To: Run a Costume-Con Mailing List<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
> Cc: C. D. Mami<mailto:c.mami@verizon.net>
> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 6:28 PM
> Subject: [runacc] [Fwd: [ICG-D] help]
>
>
> Sadly, this would make two of us. The coordinator for the Single Pattern
> Contest/Future Fashion Show has not provided me with a list of entries,
> or of awards. I wasn’t in the audience – I was in the green room, and
> with no video feed, there was no way to know who got what.
>
> I’m going to have to get this information off of the video, assuming I
> receive one…
>
> As I requested before the con, the Costume-Con Archivist requires this
> information for our records.
>
> The same info is needed for the other competitions as well. To date, the
> only one who has provided complete information (all entries and all
> awards) is the Pettingers for the doll contest.
>
> I know I have seen some of the information in the at-con newsletters,
> but it isn’t complete (the SF participants are listed for the
> non-awarded entries, but their entries are not).
>
> I already have the photos in my hands. These lists are essential to the
> building of the archives. If I have to get the info off the video, I can
> NOT promise proper spelling of the names.
>
> Masquerade directors: PLEASE get this information to me ASAP! And Con
> Chairs: If the directors aren’t on this list, PLEASE pass this request
> on to them ASAP!
>
> I’m working on the site as soon as the newsletter goes out.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Betsy
>
>
> ——– Original Message ——–
> Subject: [ICG-D] help
> Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 13:36:43 -0400
> From: C. D. Mami <c.mami@verizon.net>
> Reply-To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com
> To: <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
>
> The Archives need help
> We need to know the Name & proper spelling of the costume made and worn by
> Dick & Julia Hyll in the single patern costest
> Thanks
> Carl
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Group: runacc Message: 1138 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 5/26/2005
Subject: Re: Fw: CostumeCon Cosplayer report!

Wow, Dave! Am I really that intimidating? I had no idea!!!

Watch out – this is a rambling post, but there are salient points.

So, first, this article should be published somewhere. I’d be willing to
run it in the newsletter. It might also go well as a review on the
Archives site, though in both cases I’d like to attribute appropriately.
If the author was willing, I’d be happy to provide publication space in
both spaces.

Second, there are some very valid points, but I think it’s an endemic
problem. Some of it is shyness. Some of it is overload. The main things
I’ve found over time are that being a wallflower doesn’t necessarily get
you noticed, and that the only place where costumers aren’t approachable
in general is in the greenroom just prior to the masquerade. Outside of
those places, there are people everywhere who are happy to talk about stuff.

For me, I try to compliment whenever possible, especially if it’s
something I think is really well done, regardless of genre. And also
regardless of location. Found myself complimenting someone at the recent
Fairie fest down here (and whoops, but she’s a pro, and what do you mean
“costume”? Oh, just kidding….). I wasn’t in costume myself (having
determined that right now, it’s just too much trouble to get into stuff
and especially with weight gain, that everything I own makes me look
dumpy), so I looked the part of the admiring neo. I sometimes wonder if
wearing a badge that says “I know more than it looks like I do” would
help that attitude. Not sure.

Haven’t been to an Anime con yet. I generally don’t like the whole
genre, so I haven’t taken any pains to attend. But I do respect good
work and I do understand the character-is-all mindset that comes with
the territory. Even my stepson is deeply involved in the culture. So,
it’s hard to avoid it around here. I have been to other media cons,
though (and regardless of their opinion, a media con is a media con).

I’ve been thinking about putting a FAQ on the CC site for quite some
time now, so that people know what we’re on about, and how one becomes a
member. I’d be happy to start a list, or delegate that responsibility to
someone else on this list (which would work a heck of a lot better for
me right now), to that end.

-b

David Doering wrote:

> Yes, this is an invaluable report and hopefully the start of a great bit of
> improvement for us.
>
> One comment from me where she states: “At CostumeCon, unless the costume is
> particularly jaw dropping, no
>
>>one asks anything about the costume.”
>
>
> Sadly, this is all too true of fandom in general (but perhaps not Anime
> cons). For years, the LASFS, the LA area’s big SF club, circulated a flyer
> for their new members to say that these new members would be showered with
> attention while they decided about joining. Once they did join, however,
> the flyer said “you’ll be treated like a piece of the furniture”.
>
> I have been to plenty of cons and club meetings where, if I didn’t make the
> effort, no one said one word to me.
>
> I am not sure why this is. Maybe it’s our shy natures that has driven us to
> a hobby like costuming that excels at drawing attention. Yet when it comes
> to saying hello, even a great costume isn’t enough to get us to move.
>
> Personally, actually meeting people like Betsy, Pierre, Carl, Byron, et.
> al. was intimidating as heck the first time. I knew them by great
> reputation and I worried that a neo out of Utah wasn’t worth spending a
> minute of time on, let alone pay attention to by these Ghods of Costuming.
>
> So I can appreciate our new cosplayer’s feelings. And, curiously enough, it
> was also Marty Gear’s kindness during ConFrancisco’s masquerade years ago
> that wooed my wife and I to active costuming–like it may have for our
> cosplayer. Thanks, Marty.
>
> Dave Doering
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
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>
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Group: runacc Message: 1139 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 5/26/2005
Subject: Re: Fwd: [ICG-D] dollmaking at Costume Events

At 02:24 PM 5/25/2005, you wrote:

>At 11:45 AM 5/25/2005 -0700, you wrote:
> >Most of you probably read this on ICG-D, but Kayta offered up a
> >fascinating format for a project-based workshop that, rather than
> >taking up a programming room for a large period of time, would be
> >distributed across the day or the weekend. I could see this applied to
> >any number of things besides dolls; for example a blackwork or smocking
> >panel where the end-result is a small sampler that can later be used
> >for reference.
>
>It might work for beading or ribbonworking projects, too. Or cartridge
>pleating. Anything that can be hand-sewn vs. machine sewn.
>
>Sounds like an interesting concept.
>
>As the competitions and Fashion Shows at Costume-Con have evolved (with
>associated tech rehearsals, dress rehearsals, pre-judging, etc.), more and
>more of the competitors’ time is eaten up with these items instead of
>panels, and, sadly, trying to keep a large block of time open to attend a
>workshop is virtually impossible for people intending to compete. We always
>try to support the competitions, as they are the “backbone” of Costume-Con,
>but we like to learn new things, too, so it can be a hard choice.
>
>This doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t try to do workshops. But we should keep
>a watchful eye on attendance to see if they are a “worth it” item.
>
>The ribbonwork class I took from Candace Kling at CC-12 was very much
>”worth it.”

I definitely agree with that. I still have my sample board around here
somewhere.

PIerre

>–Karen

“Those Who Fail To Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly —
Why They Are Simply Doomed.

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C.Y. 4971

Andromeda

 

Group: runacc Message: 1140 From: David Doering Date: 5/27/2005
Subject: Re: Fw: CostumeCon Cosplayer report!
Betsy wrote: “Wow, Dave! Am I really that intimidating? I had no idea!!!”

Your natural effervescence helped me overcome that!

Also, I made the mistake one time of complementing a Star Fleet officer at
a con for a particularly fine costume. He glared at me and said: “This is
NOT a costume! This is a _uniform_.”

Fortunately, you can bet anyone willing to go to a CC is not going to be so
literal.

Dave D.

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Group: runacc Message: 1141 From: Tina Connell Date: 5/27/2005
Subject: Re: Fw: CostumeCon Cosplayer report!

Betsy, back at CC18, I saw a need for a little something along those lines
(we were expecting a bunch of people who hadn’t been to CC before, from
dance groups and such), and created the attached. Perhaps that might serve
as a starting point.

Tina

—– Original Message —–
From: “Betsy Delaney” <bdelaney@hawkeswood.com>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 12:49 AM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Fw: CostumeCon Cosplayer report!

> Wow, Dave! Am I really that intimidating? I had no idea!!!
>
> Watch out – this is a rambling post, but there are salient points.
>
> So, first, this article should be published somewhere. I’d be willing to
> run it in the newsletter. It might also go well as a review on the
> Archives site, though in both cases I’d like to attribute appropriately.
> If the author was willing, I’d be happy to provide publication space in
> both spaces.
>
> Second, there are some very valid points, but I think it’s an endemic
> problem. Some of it is shyness. Some of it is overload. The main things
> I’ve found over time are that being a wallflower doesn’t necessarily get
> you noticed, and that the only place where costumers aren’t approachable
> in general is in the greenroom just prior to the masquerade. Outside of
> those places, there are people everywhere who are happy to talk about
> stuff.
>
> For me, I try to compliment whenever possible, especially if it’s
> something I think is really well done, regardless of genre. And also
> regardless of location. Found myself complimenting someone at the recent
> Fairie fest down here (and whoops, but she’s a pro, and what do you mean
> “costume”? Oh, just kidding….). I wasn’t in costume myself (having
> determined that right now, it’s just too much trouble to get into stuff
> and especially with weight gain, that everything I own makes me look
> dumpy), so I looked the part of the admiring neo. I sometimes wonder if
> wearing a badge that says “I know more than it looks like I do” would
> help that attitude. Not sure.
>
> Haven’t been to an Anime con yet. I generally don’t like the whole
> genre, so I haven’t taken any pains to attend. But I do respect good
> work and I do understand the character-is-all mindset that comes with
> the territory. Even my stepson is deeply involved in the culture. So,
> it’s hard to avoid it around here. I have been to other media cons,
> though (and regardless of their opinion, a media con is a media con).
>
> I’ve been thinking about putting a FAQ on the CC site for quite some
> time now, so that people know what we’re on about, and how one becomes a
> member. I’d be happy to start a list, or delegate that responsibility to
> someone else on this list (which would work a heck of a lot better for
> me right now), to that end.
>
> -b
>
> David Doering wrote:
>
>> Yes, this is an invaluable report and hopefully the start of a great bit
>> of
>> improvement for us.
>>
>> One comment from me where she states: “At CostumeCon, unless the costume
>> is
>> particularly jaw dropping, no
>>
>>>one asks anything about the costume.”
>>
>>
>> Sadly, this is all too true of fandom in general (but perhaps not Anime
>> cons). For years, the LASFS, the LA area’s big SF club, circulated a
>> flyer
>> for their new members to say that these new members would be showered
>> with
>> attention while they decided about joining. Once they did join, however,
>> the flyer said “you’ll be treated like a piece of the furniture”.
>>
>> I have been to plenty of cons and club meetings where, if I didn’t make
>> the
>> effort, no one said one word to me.
>>
>> I am not sure why this is. Maybe it’s our shy natures that has driven us
>> to
>> a hobby like costuming that excels at drawing attention. Yet when it
>> comes
>> to saying hello, even a great costume isn’t enough to get us to move.
>>
>> Personally, actually meeting people like Betsy, Pierre, Carl, Byron, et.
>> al. was intimidating as heck the first time. I knew them by great
>> reputation and I worried that a neo out of Utah wasn’t worth spending a
>> minute of time on, let alone pay attention to by these Ghods of
>> Costuming.
>>
>> So I can appreciate our new cosplayer’s feelings. And, curiously enough,
>> it
>> was also Marty Gear’s kindness during ConFrancisco’s masquerade years ago
>> that wooed my wife and I to active costuming–like it may have for our
>> cosplayer. Thanks, Marty.
>>
>> Dave Doering
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 1142 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 5/27/2005
Subject: Re: Fw: CostumeCon Cosplayer report!

Hi, Tina!

Please send the attachment directly to me. I have attachments turned off
on the list (to protect the members from random virus attacks).

Thanks!

Betsy

Tina Connell wrote:

> Betsy, back at CC18, I saw a need for a little something along those lines
> (we were expecting a bunch of people who hadn’t been to CC before, from
> dance groups and such), and created the attached. Perhaps that might serve
> as a starting point.
>
> Tina

 

Group: runacc Message: 1143 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/27/2005
Subject: Re: [Fwd: [ICG-D] help]

In a message dated 5/26/2005 2:26:19 PM Central Daylight Time,
bdelaney@hawkeswood.com writes:

> Masquerade directors: PLEASE get this information to me ASAP!

Betsy,
I forwarded this off to Dora. She has the lists for the SF&F and the
Historical in her computer. Let me know if you need her e-mail address.
Henry Osier
CostumeCon 28 in Milwaukee in 2010

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Group: runacc Message: 1144 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 5/28/2005
Subject: Re: [Fwd: [ICG-D] help]

At 11:37 PM 5/26/2005, you wrote:

>Excellent, Byron! Thank you!!!
>
>Any portion of information on this subject will help. Between the paper
>notes and the video, I can usually put all the pieces together. All I
>have right now are the newsletters, and while they are good, they aren’t
>perfect!
>
>Trivia: The CC site is constructed in running order, not in division
>order. When I started doing it, the lists were based on the lists Pierre
>(and Sandy?) had compiled of the entries as they appeared on the video
>records. That’s why some of the name and entry spellings aren’t accurate
>- hearing isn’t necessarily knowing. I’ve made at least two dozen
>corrections over time to different entries as people have noticed the
>errors.

This is indeed very important and while I try to scarf up running lists and
any other data I can find at any masquerades. Sandy and I spent a lot of
time compiling the lists that we sent to Betsy many years ago, With
variable spellings, incorrect pronunciation, audio glitches and a host of
other problems, its amazing the information we compiled then was as
accurate as it was.

>I can do (and have done) similar lists, but my hearing is going, and
>sometimes the sound on these tapes is simply dreadful, even for someone
>with perfectly good ears. So a written record is absolutely essential.

As you say, even my hearing at 30 couldn’t catch everything correctly. At
48, it becomes harder.

Pierre

>Furthermore, there will come a time (in the not so distant future, now)
>when I will not be collecting this information. Karen and Ricky will
>eventually be taking the tasks over. Getting the process established now
>will help when the transition takes place.
>
>Hope this helps!
>
>Betsy

“Those Who Fail To Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly —
Why They Are Simply Doomed.

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C.Y. 4971

Andromeda

 

Group: runacc Message: 1145 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 5/28/2005
Subject: Re: [Fwd: [ICG-D] help]
And thank GOD for those lists, Pierre, or the whole CC site may not have
existed at all!

I only *just* got the last of the videos this year. The site has
existed, in one form or another, since 1997.

You deserve a huge Thank You just for doing all the pre-site footwork!

Credit where credit is due and all that…

Betsy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1146 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/31/2005
Subject: BaltiCon judges
Since we were talking about learning judges bias’s and helping each other
form balanced panels, here’s a quick list from Balticon 05 just past.

There are no value judgements here, and all 3 judges could easily be picked
again, as long as we keep these things in mind. These come from speaking to
judges and contestants this weekend

Amanda Allen– Long time costumer worldcon winner. Likes to give awards.
Has no problem with giving 100% of the Masq awards IF warranted. Fights
for the costume first, presentation second

Heidi Hooper– Convention Artist/ some time costumer– feels awards
should be limited understands both costume and presentation

Bob Eggleton– Art Guest of Honor- wants to party, wants a show, wants to
be in charge. Places presentation first and likes humorous entries above all

It seems with a proper MD all 3 can be useful if balanced properly and
firmly explained what is expected of them.

To that, Balticon used a their own draft of the Judges instructions that I
proposed a few weeks ago, and had no problems. While the judges made some
‘interesting choices’ that might seem contrary to the instructions, the MD
was in their with them, so it must be assumed that it was in the spirit of
debate that things came down the way they did.

There was not much grousing about awards at all ,other than an odd title
here and there. I’m not really clear on what percentage of entries got awards.

Ricky

 

Group: runacc Message: 1147 From: martingear Date: 5/31/2005
Subject: Re: BaltiCon judges

Once I get the award list back from Steve or someone I will be happy to
give you all the stats. For reasons that some of you are aware of, I
did not stay at the con on Sunday to pick up all of the paperwork.

Regarding Ricky’s comments about the judges, here is my $0.02. Amanda &
Heidi balanced each other pretty well. Both are fair but come at the
judging from different perspectives. Bob Eggleton is one of my favorite
people and a great artist, but I would use him only sparingly. He
spotted a couple of things that the other two missed, particularly in
the anime costumes. I was in with the judges, I did give them each my
first pass at Ricky’s instructions which I phrased as my “Notes to the
Judges.” When we get the award list posted, you will note that they did
not award a “Best in Class” in the master division. This was because
there were three costumes that were totally different and equally strong
and they just didn’t want to play “paper-sissors-rock” to name one of
them Best-in-Class. For a number of reasons, I didn’t want to force the
issue so I let it go. Over all, I was quite satisfied with the judging,
and I think that giving the judges my “Notes” in advance was a good idea.

Marty

Ricky & Karen Dick wrote:

>Since we were talking about learning judges bias’s and helping each other
>form balanced panels, here’s a quick list from Balticon 05 just past.
>
>There are no value judgments here, and all 3 judges could easily be picked
>again, as long as we keep these things in mind. These come from speaking to
>judges and contestants this weekend
>
>
>Amanda Allen– Long time costumer worldcon winner. Likes to give awards.
>Has no problem with giving 100% of the Masq awards IF warranted. Fights
>for the costume first, presentation second
>
>Heidi Hooper– Convention Artist/ some time costumer– feels awards
>should be limited understands both costume and presentation
>
>Bob Eggleton– Art Guest of Honor- wants to party, wants a show, wants to
>be in charge. Places presentation first and likes humorous entries above all
>
>
>
>
> It seems with a proper MD all 3 can be useful if balanced properly and
>firmly explained what is expected of them.
>
>To that, Balticon used a their own draft of the Judges instructions that I
>proposed a few weeks ago, and had no problems. While the judges made some
>’interesting choices’ that might seem contrary to the instructions, the MD
>was in their with them, so it must be assumed that it was in the spirit of
>debate that things came down the way they did.
>
>There was not much grousing about awards at all ,other than an odd title
>here and there. I’m not really clear on what percentage of entries got awards.
>
>Ricky
>
>
>
>
>
>View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
>Yahoo! Groups Links
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>
>
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Group: runacc Message: 1148 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/31/2005
Subject: Re: Celebrity / GOH judges

At 04:42 PM 5/31/2005 -0400, you wrote:

>Bob Eggleton is one of my favorite people and a great artist, but I would
>use him only sparingly.

Good artist-type masquerade judges usually have good/detailed costuming IN
THEIR ART.
(Examples: Michael Whelan, David Cherry.)

If you have an artist, author, or celebrity judge who is more eager to get
back to the hotel bar than the judging chamber, I suggest assigning them
the job of picking their favorite thing out of the masquerade (and giving
it “Judge’s Choice” or “Guest of Honor’s Choice” or whatever you want to
name it), and then letting the rest of the judging panel deal with
everything else. This works better if you started with a panel of 5 judges
vs. 3 judges.

If the artist, author, or celebrity judge is really into it and wants to go
through the whole process, then by all means go for it (with maybe some
gentle guidance from the head judge or MD if the celebrity is too far out
in left field).

–Karen

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Group: runacc Message: 1149 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/31/2005
Subject: Re: BaltiCon judges
Ricky,
Have you had any problems with GoH’s being Masq Judges, especially
with schedule conflicts?

Henry Osier
CostumeCon 28 in Milwaukee in 2010

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Group: runacc Message: 1150 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/31/2005
Subject: Re: BaltiCon judges

The worst experience we’ve had (not as an MD, but as Toastmaster and Head
Judge at a media con) was a celebrity judge who went out to dinner with
friends and did not come back at the appointed time to judge the
masquerade. The MD chose to wait until the celebrity returned and then
started the masquerade late. I’m not sure that was the proper course of action.

Some cons take the whole judging panel out to dinner before the masquerade
so they KNOW where they are. Smaller cons may not be able to afford this,
but it does work.

Possible scheduling conflicts should be worked out with the GOH judge and /
or Programming BEFORE the con. And maybe somebody should ask the GOH or
celebrity judge if they reallyreallyreally want to judge, or are just
saying “OK” to be polite.

–Karen

At 05:29 PM 5/31/2005 -0400, you wrote:

>Ricky,
> Have you had any problems with GoH’s being Masq Judges, especially
>with schedule conflicts?
>
> Henry Osier
> CostumeCon 28 in Milwaukee in 2010
>
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Group: runacc Message: 1051 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/18/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging
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Subject: Re: More on Judging — Charles
Group: runacc Message: 1053 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 5/18/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging
Group: runacc Message: 1054 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/18/2005
Subject: Spread out staff? Pro’s & Con’s
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Subject: Re: Spread out staff? Pro’s & Con’s
Group: runacc Message: 1058 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/18/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging — Charles
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Group: runacc Message: 1061 From: Byron Connell Date: 5/18/2005
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Group: runacc Message: 1064 From: Byron Connell Date: 5/18/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging — Charles
Group: runacc Message: 1065 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/18/2005
Subject: Re: Spread out staff? Pro’s & Con’s
Group: runacc Message: 1066 From: Byron Connell Date: 5/18/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging
Group: runacc Message: 1067 From: martingear Date: 5/18/2005
Subject: Re: Spread out staff? Pro’s & Con’s
Group: runacc Message: 1068 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 5/18/2005
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Group: runacc Message: 1070 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/18/2005
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Group: runacc Message: 1071 From: Les Roth Date: 5/18/2005
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Group: runacc Message: 1072 From: Byron Connell Date: 5/18/2005
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Group: runacc Message: 1073 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/18/2005
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Group: runacc Message: 1075 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/18/2005
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Group: runacc Message: 1078 From: David Doering Date: 5/18/2005
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Group: runacc Message: 1083 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 5/19/2005
Subject: Tech rehearsals from a geek point of view
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Subject: Re: More on Judging

 


 

Group: runacc Message: 1051 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/18/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging

Finally! Someone else weighs in!

—– Original Message —–
From: “Pierre & Sandy Pettinger” <costumrs@radiks.net>

> The balance of using masquerade history and ignoring any knowledge of past
> events is a difficult one. As many of you might imagine, given my
> propensity for collecting past masquerades, I find it is particularly
> difficult to ignore past work. Generally, I strive to so ignore the past
> and attempt to judge on what I see on stage.

That pretty much describes my position from the “amateur historian”
standpoint. Of course, I’ve judged so little that it’s a bit academic. The
one time I judged with Andy and Nora at a Duckcon a few years back, it was
interesting to observe how we each came to our decisions.

We’ll never match you guys for collection, but then, we pretty much only
collect the ones that interest us, rather than everything.

The only time I stray from
> that if I see a particularly egregious example of an entry that is
> sandbagging (wasn’t that BIS at Worldcon 1983? [picking a worldcon without
> a BIS for safety]) or if the quality of workmanship is so poor compared to
> what I know is an entry’s skill level.

That sounds like it was a particularly egregious incident. Defintely the
“bad old days”.

>

It is embarrassing, though,
> if a judge tells a contestant “that entry beat you because it was so
> original and all other factors were equal between you.” only to have the
> contestant answer back “but they did that same type of costume at
> Somethingorothercon ## variable number of years ago!”

Yikes. Never thought about that scenario. LIke you said, then, it’s a
good idea to have the history. Fortunately, I doubt that happens very
often(?).

Bruce

 

Group: runacc Message: 1052 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/18/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging — Charles

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From: “Charles” <cgalway@xmission.com>

So if every entry seemed to met a certain high level, they would all be
awarded recognition, and if they were all below expectation, none would.

Wow. That’s…..bizarre. Sor, sorta like a Pass/Fail exam.
>
> I read a similar comment a year or so ago, about Best in Show — something
like the judges may not feel compelled to award a BIS, if no single entry
stood out strongly over the rest.
>
> Certainly many masquerades do try to allow awarding a ribbon (but not a
major award win), to elements meriting recognition.

I’ve wondered about this seemingly East Coast phenomenon. Does it still
occur? I don’t know how I feel about that issue one way or another. I
suppose it depends on what your policy for what is considered “Best In
Show”.

Bruce

 

Group: runacc Message: 1053 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 5/18/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging

Interestingly enough, that is exactly what happened in this year’s
masquerade.

Funny how history repeats, isn’t it?

Of course, it was pointed out to me way after the end of the con, and as
anecdotal information, but still.

And, there is no way to guarantee that the judges will all know their
costume history to avoid such situations. All it means is, be careful
what you think you’re awarding… You could be wrong.

Betsy

>>if a judge tells a contestant “that entry beat you because it was so
>>original and all other factors were equal between you.” only to have the
>>contestant answer back “but they did that same type of costume at
>>Somethingorothercon ## variable number of years ago!”
>
>
> Yikes. Never thought about that scenario. LIke you said, then, it’s a
> good idea to have the history. Fortunately, I doubt that happens very
> often(?).
>
> Bruce

 

Group: runacc Message: 1054 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/18/2005
Subject: Spread out staff? Pro’s & Con’s
One of my staff from CC21 has the opinion that CC staff should not be spread
out and be local. However, it appears that CC23 and CC24 seem to be doing just
fine with a Yahoo group connection. I, personally, believe that a CC can be
run just fine via Yahoo group communications and e-mails to individuals.

I am interested in hearing pro’s and con’s, good and bad about using the
e-mail method, as opposed to keeping staff local and having face-to-face meetings.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1055 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 5/18/2005
Subject: Re: Spread out staff? Pro’s & Con’s

There are some jobs which can be held by people who are not local to the
con’s hotel, but the following positions should be held by someone local:

Chair(s)
Treasurer
Hotel Liaison
Logistics
Tech Director

Someone’s got to be available to deal with the space in person. The
above are the bare minimum (IMHO) who must be local. There’s just too
much that needs to be done in person prior to the con.

The bank account should be local to the site. Why? we deposited in
excess of $3,000 in cash, collected during the course of the weekend for
CCXV. You really don’t want to try carrying that kind of cash around for
long.

I’m sure there are other positions which could be listed above…

Note, though, that in a distributed committee, assigning the job of
meeting secretary is a Very Good Idea, and establishing a method by
which all committee members are kept in the know is also a real good
idea. Helps keep the random members of the concom from saying “I don’t
know, that’s not my department.”

Everyone doesn’t need to know how to do all the jobs, but everyone
should at least have a passing acquaintance with the issues dealt with
by the holders of those jobs. Less isolation and more sharing means more
support in the long run.

The above is my own personal $0.02, adjusted for inflation. YMMV.

Betsy

osierhenry@cs.com wrote:

> One of my staff from CC21 has the opinion that CC staff should not be spread
> out and be local. However, it appears that CC23 and CC24 seem to be doing just
> fine with a Yahoo group connection. I, personally, believe that a CC can be
> run just fine via Yahoo group communications and e-mails to individuals.
>
> I am interested in hearing pro’s and con’s, good and bad about using the
> e-mail method, as opposed to keeping staff local and having face-to-face meetings.
>
> Henry
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Group: runacc Message: 1056 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/18/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging quick reply

In a message dated 5/18/2005 12:56:15 AM Central Daylight Time,
costumrs@radiks.net writes:

> The balance of using masquerade history and ignoring any knowledge of past
> events is a difficult one.

In my opinion, judging is a combination of having just watched masquerades
and being in masquerades. I agree that past work in both area should not be
ignored. Its from them that we learn.

I also think that viewing other presentations, such as movies, ice skating
routines, beauty pageants, etc., can help expand ones judging skills. This
partly comes from my years of working in television, particularly working on a
gospel music program and having to work with some bad groups.

Agendas: BAD!

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1057 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/18/2005
Subject: Re: Spread out staff? Pro’s & Con’s
Betsy,
Totally agree on the Must Be Local Positions, and the bank account.
Thanks for the feedback!
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1058 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/18/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging — Charles

>
>
>I’ve wondered about this seemingly East Coast phenomenon. Does it still
>occur? I don’t know how I feel about that issue one way or another. I
>suppose it depends on what your policy for what is considered “Best In
>Show”.
>
>Bruce

That was even an occurance at Worldcons. and of course for the first 3 CC’s
(only one east coast).I don’t think that’s happened in many years now on
the east coast.

Ricky

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Group: runacc Message: 1059 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/18/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging — Charles

>
>
>
>I’ve wondered about this seemingly East Coast phenomenon. Does it still
>occur? I don’t know how I feel about that issue one way or another. I
>suppose it depends on what your policy for what is considered “Best In
>Show”.
>
>Bruce

Also, we all know that sometimes you’re tempted to just flip a coin to pick
as a judge, because two entries both have such merit.

IMHO it’s better to flip than to not have a best in show.

AnimalX and I tied at CC-6 for best in class master and no BIS was given.
When we later spoke, we both agreed we’d rather have the coin flip no
matter which one of us won, as there’s just something ‘uncomplete’ when a
BIS isn’t given.

Ricky

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Group: runacc Message: 1060 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/18/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging
Pierre,

thanks for your post

so here’s a mental mind teaser that occured from reading it.

Would it be possible to judge a masq. gather the opinion, that for whatever
reason they might have enter master division, no one entry was really up to
what we percieve as master level work
( with the ability , gratefully, to jump class this could happen), but it
would still be the most worthy entry for BIS?

different topic,

I think having at least some judges with lots of experience/knowledge, is
important not only from knowing what has been done in the past ( even if
you don’t hold folks up to that past standard) but also more importantly,
because they would have the general knowlegde of what ‘good’ is

Thats the main reason I didn’t want Caitlin judging. I honestly didn’t want
my 15 year old trying to give an award just because something struck her
fancy, without the overall mindset of all the other criterias we’ve been
discussing.

Her ideas would have been pure and honest, but uneducated.

Ricky

 

Group: runacc Message: 1061 From: Byron Connell Date: 5/18/2005
Subject: Re: Spread out staff? Pro’s & Con’s

IMHO, today, a committee can not afford to limit itself to local members, nor need it do so, given telecommunications. For example, the Noreascon 4 committee had over 200 members, scattered across the world. Our members in Europe, as well as those on the west coast of this continent, participated actively in planning and organizing a con in Boston, Massachusetts. Some of them even were able and willing to go to Boston for critical on site committee sessions.

There is no reason why a Costume-Con cannot do likewise. For CC 24 and 25, which are in Iowa and Missouri, respectively, I’m the historical masquerade director. I’m in upstate New York. Like a worldcon, a Costume-Con needs the best committee available, not just the best one available locally. The senior policy positions can and probably should be filled by local costumers. However, the specialist positions ought to be filled by those who can do the job, no matter where they’re located. That’s why CC 23 used Sally and company, from the Midwest, for tech in Ogden, Utah.

One concern that committees that are widespread geographically must deal with is the ability of key committee members to visit the venue physically. That’s why Darla went to Ogden to see the theater and report back to the rest of us. As an MD, I need to know what the facilities in Des Moines and St. Louis will be like. At this point, whether or not that means a quick trip to each location, I don’t know.

I probably have more to say on this; however, I’ll have to save it for later.

Byron

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From: osierhenry@cs.com<mailto:osierhenry@cs.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 7:14 PM
Subject: [runacc] Spread out staff? Pro’s & Con’s

One of my staff from CC21 has the opinion that CC staff should not be spread
out and be local. However, it appears that CC23 and CC24 seem to be doing just
fine with a Yahoo group connection. I, personally, believe that a CC can be
run just fine via Yahoo group communications and e-mails to individuals.

I am interested in hearing pro’s and con’s, good and bad about using the
e-mail method, as opposed to keeping staff local and having face-to-face meetings.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1062 From: Stephanie Carrigg Date: 5/18/2005
Subject: Re: Spread out staff? Pro’s & Con’s

Hi All,
I could not agree more with Byron’s comments below.

With the Internet, there is now the ability to create mailing lists and
websites to keep committee members in touch.
Video conferencing is tool that can be used at meetings where long
distance members can attend even from their own homes.

Byron, could someone who is trusted take a video of the facilities for
CC24 and 25 as a way for you to view what is available till you can
make it out to see them first hand. There could be a list of details
that you want them to capture on the tape.

Oh, and btw HI I’m here as the representative for the NE bid for CC28.

Looking forward to many more discussions with you,

Stephanie Carrigg

CC28 in 2010 in New England

On May 18, 2005, at 9:41 PM, Byron Connell wrote:

> IMHO, today, a committee can not afford to limit itself to local
> members, nor need it do so, given telecommunications.� For example,
> the Noreascon 4 committee had over 200 members, scattered across the
> world.� Our members in Europe, as well as those on the west coast of
> this continent, participated actively in planning and organizing a con
> in Boston, Massachusetts.� Some of them even were able and willing to
> go to Boston for critical on site committee sessions.
>
> There is no reason why a Costume-Con cannot do likewise.� For CC 24
> and 25, which are in Iowa and Missouri, respectively, I’m the
> historical masquerade director.� I’m in upstate New York.� Like a
> worldcon, a Costume-Con needs the best committee available, not just
> the best one available locally.� The senior policy positions can and
> probably should be filled by local costumers.� However, the specialist
> positions ought to be filled by those who can do the job, no matter
> where they’re located.� That’s why CC 23 used Sally and company, from
> the Midwest, for tech in Ogden, Utah.
>
> One concern that committees that are widespread geographically must
> deal with is the ability of key committee members to visit the venue
> physically.� That’s why Darla went to Ogden to see the theater and
> report back to the rest of us.� As an MD, I need to know what the
> facilities in Des Moines and St. Louis will be like.� At this point,
> whether or not that means a quick trip to each location, I don’t know.
>
> I probably have more to say on this; however, I’ll have to save it
> for later.
>
> Byron
>
>
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> � One of my staff from CC21 has the opinion that CC staff should not
> be spread
> � out and be local. However, it appears that CC23 and CC24 seem to be
> doing just
> � fine with a Yahoo group connection. I, personally, believe that a
> CC can be
> � run just fine via Yahoo group communications and e-mails to
> individuals.
>
> � I am interested in hearing pro’s and con’s, good and bad about
> using the
> � e-mail method, as opposed to keeping staff local and having
> face-to-face meetings.
>
> � Henry
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Group: runacc Message: 1063 From: Byron Connell Date: 5/18/2005
Subject: Re: Spread out staff? Pro’s & Con’s

I respectfully disagree about the position of Tech Director. That’s a position in which expertise, not local residence, is of paramount importance.

Byron

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From: osierhenry@cs.com<mailto:osierhenry@cs.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 8:26 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Spread out staff? Pro’s & Con’s

Betsy,
Totally agree on the Must Be Local Positions, and the bank account.
Thanks for the feedback!
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1064 From: Byron Connell Date: 5/18/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging — Charles

There’s a difference between deciding that no entry deserves Best in Show in terms of its overall quality and being unable to decide among several entries equally deserving of the award. BIS out to be withheld if no one deserves it. On the other hand, if there are several entries that could equally be awarded Best in Show, I also favor the coin flip.

Byron

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From: Ricky & Karen Dick<mailto:castleb@pulsenet.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] More on Judging — Charles
>
>I’ve wondered about this seemingly East Coast phenomenon. Does it still
>occur? I don’t know how I feel about that issue one way or another. I
>suppose it depends on what your policy for what is considered “Best In
>Show”.
>
>Bruce

Also, we all know that sometimes you’re tempted to just flip a coin to pick
as a judge, because two entries both have such merit.

IMHO it’s better to flip than to not have a best in show.

AnimalX and I tied at CC-6 for best in class master and no BIS was given.
When we later spoke, we both agreed we’d rather have the coin flip no
matter which one of us won, as there’s just something ‘uncomplete’ when a
BIS isn’t given.

Ricky

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Group: runacc Message: 1065 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/18/2005
Subject: Re: Spread out staff? Pro’s & Con’s

Yeah, I might agree.
I wouldn’t have years ago, but I learned different.
I saw the CC-21 crew grab one of my guys from our Crimson King group who’d
never been to any con before to rig lights, as he had a theater tech degree
and in some ways lights is lights, a stage is a stage.

That doesn’t mean no info till the last minute, but it’s possible.

Ricky

At 10:05 PM 5/18/2005 -0400, you wrote:

>I respectfully disagree about the position of Tech Director. That’s a
>position in which expertise, not local residence, is of paramount importance.
>
>Byron
>
>
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> From: osierhenry@cs.com<mailto:osierhenry@cs.com>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 8:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [runacc] Spread out staff? Pro’s & Con’s
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>
> Betsy,
> Totally agree on the Must Be Local Positions, and the bank account.
> Thanks for the feedback!
> Henry
>
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Group: runacc Message: 1066 From: Byron Connell Date: 5/18/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging

I wasn’t in on the initial portion of this discussion; however, why should I let that prevent me from joining it now?

I’ve judged at regional, worldcon, and costume-con masquerades. In my opinion, if the judges decide that none of the entries in the master division meet their standards for work in that division, they would be justified in giving no master division awards.

IMHO, the judges have to rely on their experience in deciding on awards. For that reason, I agree with you, Ricky, about using a 15 year old as a judge; he or she is unlikely to have the experience needed to make the necessary decisions. I fully recall my first experience as a judge. It was at a large regional; I had worked backstage for years; and I was in my 50’s. I’d been a judges’ clerk (once). However, I could enter in the novice division and everyone else on the panel was much more experienced at costume design and presentation than I was. I always will be grateful for having been given the opportunity and I made my opinions known; however, that does not mean that I was ready to be a decisive voice in that panel’s decisions.

I guess that I am saying that there ought to be a sensible limit in deciding the level of overall experience needed for participation in a judging panel.

Byron

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To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] More on Judging

Pierre,

thanks for your post

so here’s a mental mind teaser that occured from reading it.

Would it be possible to judge a masq. gather the opinion, that for whatever
reason they might have enter master division, no one entry was really up to
what we percieve as master level work
( with the ability , gratefully, to jump class this could happen), but it
would still be the most worthy entry for BIS?

different topic,

I think having at least some judges with lots of experience/knowledge, is
important not only from knowing what has been done in the past ( even if
you don’t hold folks up to that past standard) but also more importantly,
because they would have the general knowlegde of what ‘good’ is

Thats the main reason I didn’t want Caitlin judging. I honestly didn’t want
my 15 year old trying to give an award just because something struck her
fancy, without the overall mindset of all the other criterias we’ve been
discussing.

Her ideas would have been pure and honest, but uneducated.

Ricky

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Group: runacc Message: 1067 From: martingear Date: 5/18/2005
Subject: Re: Spread out staff? Pro’s & Con’s

I can’t over emphasize that the Tech Director must be local. The
likelihood of our ever getting a completely equipped theater to play in
again is very slim which means that lighting instruments, sound
equipment, pipe & drape and maybe even stage platforms will have to be
rented locally. The advantage of having a local to arrange this cannot
be overstated

Not only does the facilities/hotel liaison person have to be local but
he/she has to be someone with the available time to touch base with the
hotel at least monthly starting one year out and possibly more
frequently if the hotel changes ownership.

Marty –
Been There, Done That, Read the Book, Saw the Movie, Broke the Coffee
Mug, Copped the Poster, Dubbed the Bootleg (you get the idea) 😉

osierhenry@cs.com wrote:

>One of my staff from CC21 has the opinion that CC staff should not be spread
>out and be local. However, it appears that CC23 and CC24 seem to be doing just
>fine with a Yahoo group connection. I, personally, believe that a CC can be
>run just fine via Yahoo group communications and e-mails to individuals.
>
>I am interested in hearing pro’s and con’s, good and bad about using the
>e-mail method, as opposed to keeping staff local and having face-to-face meetings.
>
>Henry
>
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Group: runacc Message: 1068 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 5/18/2005
Subject: Re: Spread out staff? Pro’s & Con’s

Ah, but let me ‘splain.

Ok, I’ll concede that the director doesn’t have to be local, but having
a local tech director means said director can sit in during the process
of hotel contract negotiations.

Why is that important? Well, in theory, the tech director should be
reading the part of the contract specifically related to the power drops
for the performance space. Having the in-person negotiation power can
help avoid nasty surprises later on.

This part of the negotiation process should be stressed – a missed
statement in a hotel contract can cost your con big bucks. I know, from
personal experience.

Betsy

Ricky & Karen Dick wrote:

> Yeah, I might agree.
> I wouldn’t have years ago, but I learned different.
> I saw the CC-21 crew grab one of my guys from our Crimson King group who’d
> never been to any con before to rig lights, as he had a theater tech degree
> and in some ways lights is lights, a stage is a stage.
>
> That doesn’t mean no info till the last minute, but it’s possible.
>
> Ricky
>
>
>
> At 10:05 PM 5/18/2005 -0400, you wrote:
>
>>I respectfully disagree about the position of Tech Director. That’s a
>>position in which expertise, not local residence, is of paramount importance.
>>
>>Byron
>>
>>
>> —– Original Message —–
>> From: osierhenry@cs.com<mailto:osierhenry@cs.com>
>> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 8:26 PM
>> Subject: Re: [runacc] Spread out staff? Pro’s & Con’s
>>
>>
>> Betsy,
>> Totally agree on the Must Be Local Positions, and the bank account.
>> Thanks for the feedback!
>> Henry
>>
>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>>
>>View the Document:
>><http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/>http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
>>
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Group: runacc Message: 1069 From: Byron Connell Date: 5/18/2005
Subject: Re: Spread out staff? Pro’s & Con’s

That’s a start. However, ultimately it’s not a substitute for physical presence. Despite maps and photos of the theater in Ogden, and Darla’s report of her visit to the venue, I did not really have a feel for the facility until I got there and could walk from the back of the house through the audience to the stage, find my way on to stage, and examine the back stage facilities. I would like to be able to do so in advance for CC 24 and CC 25 even if I have video and/or photo displays and maps.

In 1991, this was sufficiently important to us as CC 10 SF&F MDs that Tina and I drove to Chicago for Chicon V from Albany, NY, via Lincoln, Nebraska, so we could review the facilities with Pierre and Sandy. (Check the route on a map, sometime; it defines a hairpin turn!)

Byron

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From: Stephanie Carrigg<mailto:bada.boom@comcast.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Spread out staff? Pro’s & Con’s

Hi All,
I could not agree more with Byron’s comments below.

Byron, could someone who is trusted take a video of the facilities for
CC24 and 25 as a way for you to view what is available till you can
make it out to see them first hand. There could be a list of details
that you want them to capture on the tape.

Oh, and btw HI I’m here as the representative for the NE bid for CC28.

Looking forward to many more discussions with you,

Stephanie Carrigg

CC28 in 2010 in New England

On May 18, 2005, at 9:41 PM, Byron Connell wrote:

> IMHO, today, a committee can not afford to limit itself to local
> members, nor need it do so, given telecommunications. For example,
> the Noreascon 4 committee had over 200 members, scattered across the
> world. Our members in Europe, as well as those on the west coast of
> this continent, participated actively in planning and organizing a con
> in Boston, Massachusetts. Some of them even were able and willing to
> go to Boston for critical on site committee sessions.
>
> There is no reason why a Costume-Con cannot do likewise. For CC 24
> and 25, which are in Iowa and Missouri, respectively, I’m the
> historical masquerade director. I’m in upstate New York. Like a
> worldcon, a Costume-Con needs the best committee available, not just
> the best one available locally. The senior policy positions can and
> probably should be filled by local costumers. However, the specialist
> positions ought to be filled by those who can do the job, no matter
> where they’re located. That’s why CC 23 used Sally and company, from
> the Midwest, for tech in Ogden, Utah.
>
> One concern that committees that are widespread geographically must
> deal with is the ability of key committee members to visit the venue
> physically. That’s why Darla went to Ogden to see the theater and
> report back to the rest of us. As an MD, I need to know what the
> facilities in Des Moines and St. Louis will be like. At this point,
> whether or not that means a quick trip to each location, I don’t know.
>
> I probably have more to say on this; however, I’ll have to save it
> for later.
>
> Byron
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>
> One of my staff from CC21 has the opinion that CC staff should not
> be spread
> out and be local. However, it appears that CC23 and CC24 seem to be
> doing just
> fine with a Yahoo group connection. I, personally, believe that a
> CC can be
> run just fine via Yahoo group communications and e-mails to
> individuals.
>
> I am interested in hearing pro’s and con’s, good and bad about
> using the
> e-mail method, as opposed to keeping staff local and having
> face-to-face meetings.
>
> Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1070 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/18/2005
Subject: Re: Spread out staff? Pro’s & Con’s

Marty,
Interesting,
Are we just spoiled with techno fandom that I think they can roll out of
bed and set up and call a good show LOL?
I guess I thought the hotel liason did the things you mentioned.
Which of course is why YOU are handling the Hotel and Ballroom stuff for
the CC-27 bid 😉

Ricky

At 10:40 PM 5/18/2005 -0400, you wrote:

>I can’t over emphasize that the Tech Director must be local. The
>likelihood of our ever getting a completely equipped theater to play in
>again is very slim which means that lighting instruments, sound
>equipment, pipe & drape and maybe even stage platforms will have to be
>rented locally. The advantage of having a local to arrange this cannot
>be overstated
>
>Not only does the facilities/hotel liaison person have to be local but
>he/she has to be someone with the available time to touch base with the
>hotel at least monthly starting one year out and possibly more
>frequently if the hotel changes ownership.
>
>Marty –

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Group: runacc Message: 1071 From: Les Roth Date: 5/18/2005
Subject: Re: Spread out staff? Pro’s & Con’s

Byron,

You’re welcome to come to DemiCon, July 29-31st. It’ll be in the same
hotel as CC-24. In fact, after this year, we’ll have held three
masquerades and six theatrical shows with the stage, lights, and sound
that we’ll have next Memorial Day.

Les

Live, never to be ashamed if everything you do is published around the
world. Even if what is published is not true. — Richard Bach

On May 18, 2005, at 9:47 PM, Byron Connell wrote:

> That’s a start. However, ultimately it’s not a substitute for
> physical presence. Despite maps and photos of the theater in Ogden,
> and Darla’s report of her visit to the venue, I did not really have a
> feel for the facility until I got there and could walk from the back
> of the house through the audience to the stage, find my way on to
> stage, and examine the back stage facilities. I would like to be able
> to do so in advance for CC 24 and CC 25 even if I have video and/or
> photo displays and maps.
>
> In 1991, this was sufficiently important to us as CC 10 SF&F MDs that
> Tina and I drove to Chicago for Chicon V from Albany, NY, via Lincoln,
> Nebraska, so we could review the facilities with Pierre and Sandy.
> (Check the route on a map, sometime; it defines a hairpin turn!)
>
> Byron
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1072 From: Byron Connell Date: 5/18/2005
Subject: Re: Spread out staff? Pro’s & Con’s

Les —

Thanks. I am obligated to be in Boston that weekend, however.

Byron

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Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 10:55 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Spread out staff? Pro’s & Con’s

Byron,

You’re welcome to come to DemiCon, July 29-31st. It’ll be in the same
hotel as CC-24. In fact, after this year, we’ll have held three
masquerades and six theatrical shows with the stage, lights, and sound
that we’ll have next Memorial Day.

Les

Live, never to be ashamed if everything you do is published around the
world. Even if what is published is not true. — Richard Bach

On May 18, 2005, at 9:47 PM, Byron Connell wrote:

> That’s a start. However, ultimately it’s not a substitute for
> physical presence. Despite maps and photos of the theater in Ogden,
> and Darla’s report of her visit to the venue, I did not really have a
> feel for the facility until I got there and could walk from the back
> of the house through the audience to the stage, find my way on to
> stage, and examine the back stage facilities. I would like to be able
> to do so in advance for CC 24 and CC 25 even if I have video and/or
> photo displays and maps.
>
> In 1991, this was sufficiently important to us as CC 10 SF&F MDs that
> Tina and I drove to Chicago for Chicon V from Albany, NY, via Lincoln,
> Nebraska, so we could review the facilities with Pierre and Sandy.
> (Check the route on a map, sometime; it defines a hairpin turn!)
>
> Byron

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Group: runacc Message: 1073 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/18/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging – the mindbender

I can’t see how that could happen, but if you have to have a BIS…

I see your point about Caitlin. Depending on the number of folks on your
panel, you definitely need experienced judges in the mix to see stuff the
less experienced would not…

Bruce

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>
> Would it be possible to judge a masq. gather the opinion, that for
whatever
> reason they might have enter master division, no one entry was really up
to
> what we percieve as master level work
> ( with the ability , gratefully, to jump class this could happen), but it
> would still be the most worthy entry for BIS?
>
> different topic,
>
>
> I think having at least some judges with lots of experience/knowledge, is
> important not only from knowing what has been done in the past ( even if
> you don’t hold folks up to that past standard) but also more importantly,
> because they would have the general knowlegde of what ‘good’ is
>
> Thats the main reason I didn’t want Caitlin judging. I honestly didn’t
want
> my 15 year old trying to give an award just because something struck her
> fancy, without the overall mindset of all the other criterias we’ve been
> discussing.
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> Her ideas would have been pure and honest, but uneducated.
>
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Group: runacc Message: 1074 From: martingear Date: 5/18/2005
Subject: Re: Spread out staff? Pro’s & Con’s

Yes, tf brings a lot of the equipment and has deliberately trained
different people in different jobs so that they can appear to work
miracles, but at every con pipe & drape, sandbags, dimmer packs and most
of the lighting instruments are rented locally. I remember with dread
the Lunacon when one of the boards (light I think) went out about two
hours before the show and Fuzz had to drive from Rye to somewhere on the
New Jersey Turnpike to meet someone from the rental house and make a
swap. To put it mildly, it wasn’t pretty. This is why I’ve already
recruited Larry.

^M^

Ricky & Karen Dick wrote:

>Marty,
>Interesting,
>Are we just spoiled with techno fandom that I think they can roll out of
>bed and set up and call a good show LOL?
>I guess I thought the hotel liason did the things you mentioned.
>Which of course is why YOU are handling the Hotel and Ballroom stuff for
>the CC-27 bid 😉
>
>Ricky
>
>At 10:40 PM 5/18/2005 -0400, you wrote:
>
>
>>I can’t over emphasize that the Tech Director must be local. The
>>likelihood of our ever getting a completely equipped theater to play in
>>again is very slim which means that lighting instruments, sound
>>equipment, pipe & drape and maybe even stage platforms will have to be
>>rented locally. The advantage of having a local to arrange this cannot
>>be overstated
>>
>>Not only does the facilities/hotel liaison person have to be local but
>>he/she has to be someone with the available time to touch base with the
>>hotel at least monthly starting one year out and possibly more
>>frequently if the hotel changes ownership.
>>
>>Marty –
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Group: runacc Message: 1075 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/18/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging — Charles

I think it gives the audience a bit more of a satisfactory end to the
proceedings, also.

Bruce

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>
> >
> >
> >
> >I’ve wondered about this seemingly East Coast phenomenon. Does it still
> >occur? I don’t know how I feel about that issue one way or another. I
> >suppose it depends on what your policy for what is considered “Best In
> >Show”.
> >
> >Bruce
>
>
> Also, we all know that sometimes you’re tempted to just flip a coin to
pick
> as a judge, because two entries both have such merit.
>
> IMHO it’s better to flip than to not have a best in show.
>
> AnimalX and I tied at CC-6 for best in class master and no BIS was given.
> When we later spoke, we both agreed we’d rather have the coin flip no
> matter which one of us won, as there’s just something ‘uncomplete’ when a
> BIS isn’t given.
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Group: runacc Message: 1076 From: David Doering Date: 5/18/2005
Subject: Re: Spread out staff? Pro’s & Con’s

>Ricky and Marty commented on the roles of Hotel Liaison and Tech Director.

My two cents from the Ogden experience is that both jobs _could_ be done by
the same local person if that person knew both legal contracts and
electrical contracting. 😉

The Hotel Liaison needs to know about attrition, average room nights, and
Food/Beverage service. The Tech Director needs to know about 220 Service
and the needs for setting up a safe, usable stage. These don’t often happen
to be skills of the same person–it wasn’t here in Utah.

As I understand it from Betsy’s experience, such electrical and stage needs
are extra cost items (often _very_ extra cost). Acting as Hotel Liaison
here, I would not have had a clue as to what to ask for or about.

The worst is to _assume_ that the hotel can provide enough power and has
the available equipment to set up a stage, sound, or lights–which is a key
reason why it has to be a local person check on these as Tech or Hotel Liaison.

Dave Doering

 

Group: runacc Message: 1077 From: Charles Date: 5/18/2005
Subject: Re: Spread out staff? Pro’s & Con’s (Tech)

The tech at CC-23 was an interesting example..

Since the theater could be described in much detail, well before-hand, we had a couple of things that were done.

First, since we knew we were understaffed for CC-23 locally, and the masquerades were so time-intensive, we were glad to be able to assign the job to out-of-area staff.

Then we gave the web-site of the theater description, and video taped the site.

And Darla came in, and looked it over.

There were some problems, and may partly be due to this being the first event we have done of this nature done here. There was a tendency to have each of the out-of-area people seemingly get quite nervous if they thought we were getting into their area. In general, the MD’s (although they each have there own personal interactive style), wanted full control of the show. But there were things that they had not always antipated, due to this particular venue. I was trying to help tech, and do Theater liason — plus I do have lighting experience. One simple option we had available was candy consessions — something that was easy to answer, but a new unfamiliar option. Then there was pro- and fan photography. More impact, and requires meeting the needs of the photographers (which was finally worked out with the photographers, by me, with I assume Byron and the MDs, as well). An important consideration was the cross-back, behind the stage curtain, and whether there was going to be a colored cyc (something that is not normally available — but might have been nice.) This seems to have been decided only after Henry and Tech arrived and looked over the site, but it may have been useful for costumers to know in advance (I still don’t really know if there was a need or desire for the cyc.
At one point, it was quite awkward, on Sat morning, it looked like Kevin’s Sunday half-time presentation could use a follow-spot, Tech believed one was not available (presumably since Henry had said that one would not be used), but since I was familiar with the site and staff, I believed that a follow-spot could be available. I felt I had done my homework, but I was essentially told I was not tech, and to go away. Henry was not on location at the time, and I felt like I had at least made my point-of-view known — So I had the rest of the convention to attend to, and by the time the masquerades were presented, it appeared that fan-tech and the competant theater crew had worked out good lighting. But only barely — It might not have turned out that way, given the communication mis-hap.
……
So, a long story, but it points out for me what was the most annoying part of running this con (if I ignore the ones that I may have self-induced — such as the program-book rush — but that’s a different story).

I just felt like the level of communication could have been more comfortable and respectable — I feel like if something stifles communication, it risks un-needed problems.

Charles

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At 10:05 PM 5/18/2005 -0400, you wrote:
>I respectfully disagree about the position of Tech Director. That’s a
>position in which expertise, not local residence, is of paramount importance.
>
>Byron
>
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> Betsy,
> Totally agree on the Must Be Local Positions, and the bank account.
> Thanks for the feedback!
> Henry
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Group: runacc Message: 1078 From: David Doering Date: 5/18/2005
Subject: Re: Spread out staff? Pro’s & Con’s
Pro reasons for spreading out the staff:

Involving various fannish groups/chapters encourages attendance from those
groups. Pulling just from local resources gives distant cities less reason
to come to a site.

Spreading the wealth allows for picking the very best staff. Two years ago,
many of us in Utah simply didn’t know about others. By setting the policy
to go look outside the community, we ended up with a much better event,
even though it was sometimes hard to do the asking (sorry about that Byron!)

Con for not spreading out the staff:

It is hard to hold someone accountable for their work or progress. Yes,
there’s phone calls and e-mail, but people can choose not to respond. You
don’t want to be a pain in the butt by constantly pinging the same people
to hear from them.

(This goes back to the earlier discussion about track records. As chair, I
can decide that I haven’t heard from someone because they _are_ doing their
job, or I can fear that they _aren’t_. Who wants to have a con chair
constantly calling and in effect, suggesting they simply aren’t doing their
job?)

Dave Doering

 

Group: runacc Message: 1079 From: Charles Date: 5/18/2005
Subject: Re: Spread out staff? Pro’s & Con’s

Just a comment on what Dave said. It is very important that someone on the con knows the electricity end, and can talk to someone like the engineer at the hotel. Otherwise, the general hotel staff seems to not know the difference between an amp, a volt, and a watt.

Charles

—– Original Message —–
From: David Doering
<snip>

The worst is to _assume_ that the hotel can provide enough power and has
the available equipment to set up a stage, sound, or lights–which is a key
reason why it has to be a local person check on these as Tech or Hotel Liaison.

Dave Doering

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Group: runacc Message: 1080 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/19/2005
Subject: Re: Spread out staff? Pro’s & Con’s

The more committee people you have “on the ground” locally (or within easy
driving distance so they can attend meetings or see the hotel if needs be),
the better.

When we did Costume-Cons in southern and northern California in the 80’s,
finding local committee people was not an issue. I suspect that finding
committee people on the I-95 corridor from DC to Boston isn’t a huge
problem, either. Away from both coasts, you don’t have the same
concentration of population, so you sometimes have to go outside your local
area for committee people.

Outside committee people are good for things that can be run by “remote
control,” like the Fashion Design Contest, the Doll Contest, Fashion Folio,
Publications, etc. Wherever possible, exhibits, dealers, and the the staged
events really need local people working on them (or people willing to visit
the facilities one or more times before the con to check parameters). It’s
hard to rely on information gotten through an intermediary or supplied by
the hotel. (That’s where CC-21’s stage size went so wrong.) Hotel
literature has been notorious for not mentioning the very things you need
to know the most–like where the electric sockets are in the Dealer’s Room,
Exhibit space, and ballrooms; the true dimensions of the tables you’re
getting for the dealers; how many of the stage risers are actually in
useable condition; and oh, by the way, there’s a bulkhead sticking out into
the room where you planned to squeak in that last dealer table.

Everyone dreads going to interminable meetings. Keep the local meetings as
short as possible. Deal with issues via email or Yahoogroup or phone. Don’t
force people to go to meetings as long as they keep you informed and are
progressing with their job assignments.

–Karen

At 07:14 PM 5/18/2005 -0400, you wrote:

>One of my staff from CC21 has the opinion that CC staff should not be spread
>out and be local. However, it appears that CC23 and CC24 seem to be doing
>just
>fine with a Yahoo group connection. I, personally, believe that a CC can be
>run just fine via Yahoo group communications and e-mails to individuals.
>
>I am interested in hearing pro’s and con’s, good and bad about using the
>e-mail method, as opposed to keeping staff local and having face-to-face
>meetings.
>
>Henry
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Group: runacc Message: 1081 From: Greg Abba Date: 5/19/2005
Subject: Re: Spread out staff? Pro’s & Con’s (Tech)
I’ll chime in on this one, being one of the out of town tech crew for CC-23. Communication was definitely a problem in many ways regarding tech for the CC-23 venue. The confusion regarding awards and announcements has already been addressed. Another example, we were told we would be responsible for running the light and sound equipment. I double, in fact triple checked on this because I just couldn’t believe that a real theater would let just any body touch their stuff. As it turns out I was right. Now this is a case where it worked out in our favor as I see it, but still an example of how wires were crossed.

Charles is correct in that there were many options the theater had to offer that went unused. However, this was not due to lack of knowledge on the part of the tech crew. First and foremost we honored the wishes of the MDs. The cyc is a prime example.

This was listed as available and it had been our intention to use this option. As Byron said it isn’t until you actually get into the facility that all the parameters become clear. The white cyc that we were planning to use was the last in the hanging order putting it less than two feet from the back wall. If we had used this there would have been no cross over available. There was a black cyc about 5′ from the wall. We also felt this was a fairly narrow cross over. The theater might have been able to relocate the drops if we’d realized the placement issue earlier. By Friday afternoon it was too late for that. The consensus of the MD and tech was that using the mid-stage traveler as back drop was the best solution at that point.

While there were all kinds of lighting options available one problem is that many contestants are not experienced enough to know what to ask for. Yes, we had a very experienced and knowledgeable theater crew, but there were also the time constraints to consider. It would be great if all entries had all the time they wanted to experiment with lighting and blocking. As it was we had 33 entries to fit into 24 time slots on Saturday so we couldn’t even give each group 10 minutes.

Much time was spent as things started up Saturday as the very competent (and the much too nice) theater crew tried to accommodate all the requests coming from every corner. Once a clear line of communication for requests was established we finally began making forward progress. However we were more than 2 1/2 hours behind by that point. A default lighting scheme helped keep things moving. Whenever a contestant asked for special lighting or other options efforts were made to accommodate them. We did manage to catch up some time and finished about 20 minutes behind schedule.

A good thing too because believe it or not this theater was a union house and at 5:30 all the theater people went to dinner no if, ands or buts. Running over was not an option. This was a piece of information we did not have until that very moment. This was certainly knowledge we all needed to make informed decisions. Fortunately this one didn’t snag us, but it could have if we hadn’t been able to make up time. I could just imagine the messages both here and on the D list if several of the entries didn’t get tech rehearsal because the crew was on mandatory break.

Chris, the theater director, was running the light board and he did a lot of very subtle effects on every entry to show them at their best. A feat that is more miraculous than it seems on the surface. Most contestants did not wear anything approaching the color of their entry let alone bring any of their costume to their tech rehearsal. So the lighting scheme for most was an educated guess. All in all Chris did an awesome job handling all the curve balls we threw him and managing some temperamental equipment.

The theater used a computer program to implement the lighting so changes on the fly were not always possible. At best they could skip an entry. Adding something was not an option once the program sequence was launched. This was an issue on Sunday when Elaine wanted to do a mid-stage entry in her MC costume. Unfortunately, we didn’t know she was going to do that.

Another example of surprise the audience not the crew even with something seemingly ordinary. As tech I learned to ask even the MCs what they want to do on an entrance. So it is all a learning process. That’s not to say we didn’t flub some cues because we did. It happens. The tech forms the MDs used were great for collecting information from the entries. However, they were not as practical to use for calling cues. An abbreviated version containing only the relevant information for each entry would be a better option. Again a learning opportunity for us all.

At any rate these are issues that will always exist on one level or another. Each venue has its pros and cons. Just because an option is available doesn’t mean it should be used. Case in point live flame on stage and the fly system both “available” at the CC-23 venue. Certainly a professional company with the proper permits and many weeks of rehearsal time could take advantage of these options, but wisely the powers that be choose not to use these options with such a mixed bag of experience levels who only had minutes of stage time.

The term tech rehearsal seems somewhat misleading to some. This is a time for the tech crew to get their stuff right. The contestants should show up on time, prepared with their music ready to play and their presentation ready to go. It is not a time for the entry to rehearse per se. But oops I’ve started another topic.

Whether in town or out of town good communication is the key to success. Expectations and responsibilities should be clearly outlined for each staff position and then those parameters should be respected by all. The kind of stuff we’re doing here is a good start. No one person no matter where they are from can match the knowledge and experience we are depositing in this hive brain.

Sallie

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Group: runacc Message: 1082 From: Charles Date: 5/19/2005
Subject: Re: Spread out staff? Pro’s & Con’s (Tech)

Let me try to take these one at a time…

I know when I talked to the theater a few years ago, I tried to determine at that time if we could use our own crew — for various reasons. One is that tech is part of this art-form, and we(tech) have so few chances to practice it. (and I was glad when Sallie et-al were able to come out, because they would be able to use whatever they gained here, in future productions) Also, I didn’t quite trust professionals to “understand” our art — maybe that’s based on those “professional” videographers that don’t know how to video-tape belly-dancers — the ones fresh out of video-art-school. (In CC-23, I thought the Pro-staff did very well).

In talking to the theater a few years ago, it sounded like they would not have any problems sitting with us, and letting us run lights, sound, and stage — which I’m sure we had the talent and training to do. Nothing I ever heard since then ever indicated that they would have a problem with that, although I don’t recall going into a lot of specific detail in the past few months. I do know that they wound up putting two staff on stage, plus the light and sound person — which I think duplicated what we(Sallie, et al) were supplying, and they did not make it clear to us that they were putting on such a large crew (by our point of view). I thought that I understood the contract to mean just a sound, and light person. (and I still think that’s what the “contract” meant). They never told us that they would be using four people. (a definite mis-communication — but not due to Sallie, or Henry)

I don’t quite know who-all Sallie checked with about getting permission for the fan-tech crew to run things, but that was the correct thing to do. Check, and double-check. And I should have done so myself, in the last few months leading to the event, but I did talk to them about whether we could bring in our own computer (for sound), and use it — I thought it was clear that it would be our fan-staff running it.
……………………
That Sallie (et al) was getting direction from the MD’s, is what I understood. But my impression is that Henry had not adequately prepared in understanding what using cyc (or follow-spots) entailed. I understood very well (a few months before the event) that the current cyc position would need to be moved forward (to create a cross-path) — either tipped forward with lead bricks at the bottom, or physically transferred forward. Pushing the bottom out would have been pretty easy, just do it, and then re-set the cyc-lighting (and stage lights). Bringing all the drops forward (one black to prevent air-drafting, one white cyc, one black scrim) would have required additional man power. (I did wonder what that would cost — “you can get anything you want — how much do you want to spend?”)

I talked to henry about a week before the con, but his brain was fried from packing, and I didn’t think he wanted to go over the cyc decisions at that time. It sounded to me like he wanted to come out to Utah early, check things out, and then decide. If we had simply warned the theater that we would have needed extra help on Fri. (or Sat morning), they would have made arrangements to be able to do the change-over. I think the narrow cross-back would have worked, as well, but I don’t think I could have known that before the event. I think it was on Friday that someone told me that the cyc-cross-back was just like what I saw — not very informative, since by Saturday, it had completely changed.

My impression was that Henry (and Darla) had decided against using follow spots, based on the general experiences of previous masquerades — that it tends to “flatten” the performance, is distractive to most entrees (a “softer” look is better), and if the spots are too low, tend to blind the contestants — as well as requiring additional tech skills and time. So in my notes to the theater, I told them to not expect to use follow-spots, except for “specials” (like half-time).

I was not really informed about the either of the half-times, or the Sat. “Bond” intro. And I thought I was part of the Theater-Tech liason. It was Kevin’s half-time where I thought the follow-spot would be most useful (and was eventually used).

So my impression is that Henry tended to go with whatever Darla had decided, without carefully thinking it through (but I admit I not have full discussion with Henry going into this).

But part of my concern about going into the event, is that I did ask (on-line on runacc) does anybody have input on the Theater? What do they want? I heard nothing, from anyone. I did inquire with Al (local — FFS & Single Pattern).
………………..
I’m not sure what all the theater experience is for other costumers, but when I look at the local entrees, most have enough theater back-ground to understand something about what lighting they want. If we have the opportunity to use technical equipment, and we are expecting to attract theater-type costumers (and I think we should), we should be able to help instruct costumers in understanding lighting — not just repeating that they “don’t understand”. Many of our master costumers have been on stage many times now, after-all.
……………..
I think Sallie is correct — that not all things are practical (such as flying, or flames), even if possible. They could only allow 10 minutes per entry stage time (including talking to the crew). That they even succeeded in going through the 33 entrees on Sat. is a testament to everyone’s (including costumers) professionalism.

But the “Bond” intro did involve more than 10 minutes of set-up and rehearsal — perhaps comparable (but cheaper) than flying.
……………….

I did not understand that the theater was union, and I thought someone told it was not. I can check this, but it could have been union staff, but not “union-house” (and I do not have experience in this department). I can see why fan-tech would have needed to know that pro-tech needed to leave at 5:30 for dinner, and I’m sorry that I/we did not check that. (we did have a tentative schedule written up years earlier, but it had not been reviewed. In my mind, if we needed to run over-time, that perhaps the house-manager could have remained, and by that time the fan-crew could have stayed over, by bringing in dinner (and Carl and I did bring lunch in Saturday). I admit, there’s too much assumption in that thinking.
………
There was at least one entry on Sat. (Succubus) and Sunday that did use the over-head spot. This is an option that I tried to explain to Sallie on Sat. as being available. But at that time she was still going by assumptions that the MD had said no spots. When they were used in the evening show, I thought they were very appropriate. It would have taken the MD’s just about half-an-hour to go through this with the Theater (Chris). And then they would have been better able to discuss this with fan-tech (fan-tech was the interface between Theater, and Fan). And as I said, Henry seemed to be absent during Saturday morning, when the final tech was being implemented.
………………….
And repeating myself, I was glad that the fan-tech group was able to come out here and practice their art, and hopefully will be able to use and spread what-ever they learned here.

Charles

—– Original Message —–
From: Greg Abba
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 2:12 AM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Spread out staff? Pro’s & Con’s (Tech)

I’ll chime in on this one, being one of the out of town tech crew for CC-23. Communication was definitely a problem in many ways regarding tech for the CC-23 venue. The confusion regarding awards and announcements has already been addressed. Another example, we were told we would be responsible for running the light and sound equipment. I double, in fact triple checked on this because I just couldn’t believe that a real theater would let just any body touch their stuff. As it turns out I was right. Now this is a case where it worked out in our favor as I see it, but still an example of how wires were crossed.

Charles is correct in that there were many options the theater had to offer that went unused. However, this was not due to lack of knowledge on the part of the tech crew. First and foremost we honored the wishes of the MDs. The cyc is a prime example.

This was listed as available and it had been our intention to use this option. As Byron said it isn’t until you actually get into the facility that all the parameters become clear. The white cyc that we were planning to use was the last in the hanging order putting it less than two feet from the back wall. If we had used this there would have been no cross over available. There was a black cyc about 5′ from the wall. We also felt this was a fairly narrow cross over. The theater might have been able to relocate the drops if we’d realized the placement issue earlier. By Friday afternoon it was too late for that. The consensus of the MD and tech was that using the mid-stage traveler as back drop was the best solution at that point.

While there were all kinds of lighting options available one problem is that many contestants are not experienced enough to know what to ask for. Yes, we had a very experienced and knowledgeable theater crew, but there were also the time constraints to consider. It would be great if all entries had all the time they wanted to experiment with lighting and blocking. As it was we had 33 entries to fit into 24 time slots on Saturday so we couldn’t even give each group 10 minutes.

Much time was spent as things started up Saturday as the very competent (and the much too nice) theater crew tried to accommodate all the requests coming from every corner. Once a clear line of communication for requests was established we finally began making forward progress. However we were more than 2 1/2 hours behind by that point. A default lighting scheme helped keep things moving. Whenever a contestant asked for special lighting or other options efforts were made to accommodate them. We did manage to catch up some time and finished about 20 minutes behind schedule.

A good thing too because believe it or not this theater was a union house and at 5:30 all the theater people went to dinner no if, ands or buts. Running over was not an option. This was a piece of information we did not have until that very moment. This was certainly knowledge we all needed to make informed decisions. Fortunately this one didn’t snag us, but it could have if we hadn’t been able to make up time. I could just imagine the messages both here and on the D list if several of the entries didn’t get tech rehearsal because the crew was on mandatory break.

Chris, the theater director, was running the light board and he did a lot of very subtle effects on every entry to show them at their best. A feat that is more miraculous than it seems on the surface. Most contestants did not wear anything approaching the color of their entry let alone bring any of their costume to their tech rehearsal. So the lighting scheme for most was an educated guess. All in all Chris did an awesome job handling all the curve balls we threw him and managing some temperamental equipment.

The theater used a computer program to implement the lighting so changes on the fly were not always possible. At best they could skip an entry. Adding something was not an option once the program sequence was launched. This was an issue on Sunday when Elaine wanted to do a mid-stage entry in her MC costume. Unfortunately, we didn’t know she was going to do that.

Another example of surprise the audience not the crew even with something seemingly ordinary. As tech I learned to ask even the MCs what they want to do on an entrance. So it is all a learning process. That’s not to say we didn’t flub some cues because we did. It happens. The tech forms the MDs used were great for collecting information from the entries. However, they were not as practical to use for calling cues. An abbreviated version containing only the relevant information for each entry would be a better option. Again a learning opportunity for us all.

At any rate these are issues that will always exist on one level or another. Each venue has its pros and cons. Just because an option is available doesn’t mean it should be used. Case in point live flame on stage and the fly system both “available” at the CC-23 venue. Certainly a professional company with the proper permits and many weeks of rehearsal time could take advantage of these options, but wisely the powers that be choose not to use these options with such a mixed bag of experience levels who only had minutes of stage time.

The term tech rehearsal seems somewhat misleading to some. This is a time for the tech crew to get their stuff right. The contestants should show up on time, prepared with their music ready to play and their presentation ready to go. It is not a time for the entry to rehearse per se. But oops I’ve started another topic.

Whether in town or out of town good communication is the key to success. Expectations and responsibilities should be clearly outlined for each staff position and then those parameters should be respected by all. The kind of stuff we’re doing here is a good start. No one person no matter where they are from can match the knowledge and experience we are depositing in this hive brain.

Sallie

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Group: runacc Message: 1083 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 5/19/2005
Subject: Tech rehearsals from a geek point of view
Hi!

Being a tech theatre geek, I could have told people going in that the
cyc would be at the far back of the theatre by default. Because it has
to be anchored and tightened, they don’t want it fixed closer to the
front or the majority of the stage will be lost. As has already been
stated, you lose the crossover space. While it is possible for actors in
costume to use two feet of crossover space behind the cyc, it’s a slow,
painful process, unless you want to cause ripples across the fabric as
you go (even with the most taut of rigging, this still happens).

Tech rehearsals may be misnamed, but there’s not really a better way to
describe them. Generally speaking, they do follow a classical theatrical
tech rehearsal, because that’s when the tech crew gets to use the stage,
the lights, and the costumes all together before the actual run of a
play or recital (which is really more like what we’re doing).

The problem is a perception thing. And it can be cured by providing a
separate rehearsal space for the contestants, away from the main stage
space.

That space should be made available as part of the planning process when
the hotel spaces are assigned. It’s not clear to me that this kind of
space was provided at CC23 (I didn’t compete and wasn’t paying
attention), but if it isn’t already a part of the space allotments for
24 on up, you may wish to reconsider the room layout and find a way to
include it. Both the tech crew and the contestants will thank you later
for it.

Betsy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1084 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/19/2005
Subject: Re: Tech rehearsals from a geek point of view

>
>The problem is a perception thing. And it can be cured by providing a
>separate rehearsal space for the contestants, away from the main stage
>space.
>
>That space should be made available as part of the planning process when
>the hotel spaces are assigned. It’s not clear to me that this kind of
>space was provided at CC23

We brought a 50 ft tape measure with us, and ,marked out the stage as
stated in the pr’s in the side parking lot ( near where the panels were).

Felt a lot like being ten years old again and playing kick ball in the
street and the constant cry of CAR!!

as we would stop and start over.

Ricky

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Group: runacc Message: 1085 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/19/2005
Subject: Re: Tech rehearsals from a geek point of view

On May 19, 2005, at 2:02 PM, Ricky & Karen Dick wrote:

>> The problem is a perception thing. And it can be cured by providing a
>> separate rehearsal space for the contestants, away from the main stage
>> space.
>>
>> That space should be made available as part of the planning process
>> when
>> the hotel spaces are assigned. It’s not clear to me that this kind of
>> space was provided at CC23
>
>
> We brought a 50 ft tape measure with us, and ,marked out the stage as
> stated in the pr’s in the side parking lot ( near where the panels
> were).

If the green room isn’t being used for other purposes during the day,
it’s a great place to mark out a tape stage. That wouldn’t have been
possible at Atlanta (it was programming space during the day) but would
have been in Ogden or Chicago.


andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
San Jose, CA – ’72 R75/5 ’86 R100 (mine) – ’92 K75sa ’03 R1150R
(Kevin’s)
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Group: runacc Message: 1086 From: Les Roth Date: 5/19/2005
Subject: Re: Tech rehearsals from a geek point of view

For CC-24 we already have a space set aside for rehearsal in the green
room.

Our usable stage size will be 30 feet wide and 13 feet deep. Detailed
floor plans will be on the website soon.

Les

Live, never to be ashamed if everything you do is published around the
world. Even if what is published is not true. — Richard Bach

On May 19, 2005, at 9:51 AM, Betsy Delaney wrote:

> That space should be made available as part of the planning process
> when
> the hotel spaces are assigned. It’s not clear to me that this kind of
> space was provided at CC23 (I didn’t compete and wasn’t paying
> attention), but if it isn’t already a part of the space allotments for
> 24 on up, you may wish to reconsider the room layout and find a way to
> include it. Both the tech crew and the contestants will thank you later
> for it.

 

Group: runacc Message: 1087 From: Charles Date: 5/19/2005
Subject: Re: Tech rehearsals from a geek point of view

First, as the theater described to me, the ripple of air in a crossover space is usually diminished by using a heavy black drop behind (between the cyc and the person crossing) the cyc. But yes, by the time you put in the heavy curtain, the cyc, space for lighting the cyc (either in front or behind) and then maybe a black scrim in front, it will use up stage space. The stage was deep enough that only “Acension” would have had problems — and they would have been able to manage, if enough lead time had been given.

I thought that was one of the presentations rehearsing in the parking lot — well, at first I thought it was a LARP. I had wanted to use a large open ballroom — taped out with stage size — as a physical rehearsal area. When we found out that those had been rented, I tried to make the smaller (programming) rooms available, such as Friday morning, and Friday evening/night, as listed in pocket program. I would presume that those times were adequate for the groups interested. In addition, I did not arrange for the chairs to be moved to the side, nor did I communicate such availability to the masquerade directors. Which would have been a good idea, to make such space fully usable. In addition, we might have been able to have a sound system available. (I did try to set up the DVD player in Juniper with speakers for CD’s, but instead I wound up running the audio output to the TV, instead — I needed one more audio cable.)

The point was, I did expect people to want rehearsal space, but my first choice (the large ballroom) was not available as of a few months before the con — and we didn’t really have the budget to rent that extra space (although with an extra 10 or 20 people, we would have).

I would suggest making an interest in such space a request, and then either it may be planned for, or what space that could be made available could be checked with your schedule. The MD’s were concentrating on the Theater, and in Darla’s case, all the pre-judging required, as well.

Charles

—– Original Message —–
From: Betsy Delaney
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 8:51 AM
Subject: [runacc] Tech rehearsals from a geek point of view

Hi!

Being a tech theatre geek, I could have told people going in that the
cyc would be at the far back of the theatre by default. Because it has
to be anchored and tightened, they don’t want it fixed closer to the
front or the majority of the stage will be lost. As has already been
stated, you lose the crossover space. While it is possible for actors in
costume to use two feet of crossover space behind the cyc, it’s a slow,
painful process, unless you want to cause ripples across the fabric as
you go (even with the most taut of rigging, this still happens).

Tech rehearsals may be misnamed, but there’s not really a better way to
describe them. Generally speaking, they do follow a classical theatrical
tech rehearsal, because that’s when the tech crew gets to use the stage,
the lights, and the costumes all together before the actual run of a
play or recital (which is really more like what we’re doing).

The problem is a perception thing. And it can be cured by providing a
separate rehearsal space for the contestants, away from the main stage
space.

That space should be made available as part of the planning process when
the hotel spaces are assigned. It’s not clear to me that this kind of
space was provided at CC23 (I didn’t compete and wasn’t paying
attention), but if it isn’t already a part of the space allotments for
24 on up, you may wish to reconsider the room layout and find a way to
include it. Both the tech crew and the contestants will thank you later
for it.

Betsy

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Group: runacc Message: 1088 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 5/19/2005
Subject: Re: Tech rehearsals from a geek point of view

Which is exactly what I have just done, on this list.

Note: I believe strongly that, because the competitions are such an
integral part of the Costume-Con experience, and because the tech poses
so many challenges, this should not be an option but an accepted practice.

I also agree with Andy – Chicago had such a rehearsal space. I know
because I helped tape out the stage outline. The greenroom is a very
good space for this sort of thing, and it doesn’t need to be made
available at all times, either. If the space is used during programming,
just give contestants access to it after hours. The space does NOT have
to be dedicated to that use.

Betsy

Charles wrote:

> I would suggest making an interest in such space a request, and then either it may be planned for, or what space that could be made available could be checked with your schedule. The MD’s were concentrating on the Theater, and in Darla’s case, all the pre-judging required, as well.
>
> Charles

 

Group: runacc Message: 1089 From: Trudy Leonard Date: 5/19/2005
Subject: Re: Tech rehearsals from a geek point of view

>From: Andrew T Trembley <attrembl@bovil.com>

>
>If the green room isn’t being used for other purposes during the day,
>it’s a great place to mark out a tape stage. That wouldn’t have been
>possible at Atlanta (it was programming space during the day)

If I’d thought about it though, we could have marked out a rehearsal space
on the large open patio outside the corridor between the hotel and the
convention area or groups could have used the stage early in the morning or
late at night, since the hotel never seemed to lock up those spaces. I
think some groups were using the back of the ballroom to rehearse in.

Trudy

>–
>andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
>San Jose, CA – ’72 R75/5 ’86 R100 (mine) – ’92 K75sa ’03 R1150R
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>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1090 From: David Doering Date: 5/19/2005
Subject: Re: Tech rehearsals from a geek point of view
Charles is correct in pointing out that we could have scheduled the Ogden
Marriott ballroom for rehearsals on Friday and Saturday, so we should make
this a “highly desirable” part of future cons if not essential.

This points out one of the challenges that even RUNACC can’t always
address–answering the questions that no one has asked or thinks to ask.
For example, the question of “who orders the ribbons?” didn’t occur to me
until Mid-January–my initial impression being that this was an MD’s
responsibility and not the chair’s.

Fortunately, it was easy to remedy.

Dave Doering

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Group: runacc Message: 1091 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/19/2005
Subject: What does the MD do? (was Re: Tech rehearsals from a geek point of

On May 19, 2005, at 3:32 PM, David Doering wrote:

> This points out one of the challenges that even RUNACC can’t always
> address–answering the questions that no one has asked or thinks to
> ask.
> For example, the question of “who orders the ribbons?” didn’t occur to
> me
> until Mid-January–my initial impression being that this was an MD’s
> responsibility and not the chair’s.

This may be an unpopular position (having watched some MDs be very
territorial about things), but my opinion is that as much logistical
work as possible should be offloaded from the competition directors at
a Costume-Con.

There are a lot of shared services used by multiple competitions. Stage
crew, house crew, tech crew and green room are the most obvious, but
pubs/printing (as in certificates) is another that’s a slam-dunk, and
Dora showed that having a common records clerk could streamline some
processes. Having an events/entertainment/hospitality group
coordinating half-time shows for the directors would also be nice.

Oh, and ribbons? The con treasurer has the checkbook. It’s cheaper and
easier to do one large ribbon order rather than separate orders from
each competition director.

I’ve got to admit I was thrilled in Chicago to not have to worry about
half-time or MC selection for F&SF. Getting the CC24 gang to run the
stage was a stroke of luck (although I would have preferred if either I
or the concom had thought of them earlier). Bobby & Tina were great on
green room and repair table. I love my judges and clerks. I blew it on
printing (and learned my lesson).

So… coming full-circle on the “spread-out staff” question…

If I ever ran a masquerade from afar again, I would insist on a local
(or near-local) support chief who could sit in on the appropriate hotel
meetings (as suggested) and confirm for me (and the other directors)
stage dimensions and technical capabilities. I would push for a common
records clerk and printing capability so there was a consistent level
of service for all competitions and so there was some consistency in
the certificates. I would push for a common crew to handle logistics,
and delegate the whole half-time thing out as quickly as possible.

I would do everything I could so my time at con could be spent dealing
with entrants’ problems rather than the convention’s.


Andy Trembley, Bull-in-Drag
The Bovine Illuminati (It’s the Cows, Inc.)
http://www.bovil.com/
Moo!

 

Group: runacc Message: 1092 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/19/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging/Caitlin Dick

In a message dated 5/18/2005 8:26:38 PM Central Daylight Time,
castleb@pulsenet.com writes:

> Thats the main reason I didn’t want Caitlin judging. I honestly didn’t want
>
> my 15 year old trying to give an award just because something struck her
> fancy, without the overall mindset of all the other criterias we’ve been
> discussing.
>
> Her ideas would have been pure and honest, but uneducated.

I thought she has been to enough conventions to have seen a great number of
entries. Pure and honest, yes. But I don’t think uneducated. She hasn’t had the
experiences that you have had, Ricky, but she has had an education. And a
different one that others.

That’s why I wanted her as a judge.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1093 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/19/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging

In a message dated 5/18/2005 9:33:45 PM Central Daylight Time,
bpconnell@verizon.net writes:

> In my opinion, if the judges decide that none of the entries in the master
> division meet their standards for work in that division, they would be
> justified in giving no master division awards.

Couldn’t someone in the Master division get a best in division, but not a
best in show, in that case?

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1094 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/19/2005
Subject: Re: Spread out staff? Pro’s & Con’s

In a message dated 5/18/2005 9:56:22 PM Central Daylight Time,
les@trans-iowa.org writes:

> Byron,
>
> You’re welcome to come to DemiCon, July 29-31st. It’ll be in the same
> hotel as CC-24.

Byron, if you do, I’m looking for roommates!
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1095 From: Byron Connell Date: 5/19/2005
Subject: Re: Tech rehearsals from a geek point of view
Actually, in Ogden, the green room really would not have been available after Friday evening. Some SF&F entrants moved their props and costume parts (and themselves) into the green room during Saturday’s tech rehearsal. After the SF&F masquerade, the room set-up was retained, since the FFS call was for 10:00 a.m. on Sunday.

—- Original Message —–
From: Andrew T Trembley<mailto:attrembl@bovil.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Tech rehearsals from a geek point of view

If the green room isn’t being used for other purposes during the day,
it’s a great place to mark out a tape stage. That wouldn’t have been
possible at Atlanta (it was programming space during the day) but would
have been in Ogden or Chicago.


andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/<http://www.bovil.com/>
San Jose, CA – ’72 R75/5 ’86 R100 (mine) – ’92 K75sa ’03 R1150R
(Kevin’s)

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Group: runacc Message: 1096 From: Byron Connell Date: 5/19/2005
Subject: Re: Tech rehearsals from a geek point of view

This is why a con — as a function-heavy event — needs to plan on and budget for taking all the hotel’s function space for the duration of the con.

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: Charles<mailto:cgalway@xmission.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Tech rehearsals from a geek point of view

I had wanted to use a large open ballroom — taped out with stage size — as a physical rehearsal area. When we found out that those had been rented, I tried to make the smaller (programming) rooms available, such as Friday morning, and Friday evening/night, as listed in pocket program. I would presume that those times were adequate for the groups interested. In addition, I did not arrange for the chairs to be moved to the side, nor did I communicate such availability to the masquerade directors. Which would have been a good idea, to make such space fully usable. In addition, we might have been able to have a sound system available. (I did try to set up the DVD player in Juniper with speakers for CD’s, but instead I wound up running the audio output to the TV, instead — I needed one more audio cable.)

The point was, I did expect people to want rehearsal space, but my first choice (the large ballroom) was not available as of a few months before the con — and we didn’t really have the budget to rent that extra space (although with an extra 10 or 20 people, we would have).

I would suggest making an interest in such space a request, and then either it may be planned for, or what space that could be made available could be checked with your schedule. The MD’s were concentrating on the Theater, and in Darla’s case, all the pre-judging required, as well.

Charles

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Group: runacc Message: 1097 From: Byron Connell Date: 5/19/2005
Subject: Re: What does the MD do? (was Re: Tech rehearsals from a geek point

I agree with Andy. In my experience, it makes sense for there to be a common core of tech, stage, green room, front of house, and other support staff (although volunteers would vary) whose job in part would be to let the MDs concentrate on the art of the show by taking those responsibilities off their shoulders. That is the way most CCs have been run at least since cc 8. As an example, in the past, it has been the concom that has asked me to run green rooms, not the MDs.

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: Andrew T Trembley<mailto:attrembl@bovil.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 7:26 PM
Subject: [runacc] What does the MD do? (was Re: Tech rehearsals from a geek point of view

On May 19, 2005, at 3:32 PM, David Doering wrote:
> This points out one of the challenges that even RUNACC can’t always
> address–answering the questions that no one has asked or thinks to
> ask.
> For example, the question of “who orders the ribbons?” didn’t occur to
> me
> until Mid-January–my initial impression being that this was an MD’s
> responsibility and not the chair’s.

This may be an unpopular position (having watched some MDs be very
territorial about things), but my opinion is that as much logistical
work as possible should be offloaded from the competition directors at
a Costume-Con.

There are a lot of shared services used by multiple competitions. Stage
crew, house crew, tech crew and green room are the most obvious, but
pubs/printing (as in certificates) is another that’s a slam-dunk, and
Dora showed that having a common records clerk could streamline some
processes. Having an events/entertainment/hospitality group
coordinating half-time shows for the directors would also be nice.

Oh, and ribbons? The con treasurer has the checkbook. It’s cheaper and
easier to do one large ribbon order rather than separate orders from
each competition director.

I’ve got to admit I was thrilled in Chicago to not have to worry about
half-time or MC selection for F&SF. Getting the CC24 gang to run the
stage was a stroke of luck (although I would have preferred if either I
or the concom had thought of them earlier). Bobby & Tina were great on
green room and repair table. I love my judges and clerks. I blew it on
printing (and learned my lesson).

So… coming full-circle on the “spread-out staff” question…

If I ever ran a masquerade from afar again, I would insist on a local
(or near-local) support chief who could sit in on the appropriate hotel
meetings (as suggested) and confirm for me (and the other directors)
stage dimensions and technical capabilities. I would push for a common
records clerk and printing capability so there was a consistent level
of service for all competitions and so there was some consistency in
the certificates. I would push for a common crew to handle logistics,
and delegate the whole half-time thing out as quickly as possible.

I would do everything I could so my time at con could be spent dealing
with entrants’ problems rather than the convention’s.


Andy Trembley, Bull-in-Drag
The Bovine Illuminati (It’s the Cows, Inc.)
http://www.bovil.com/<http://www.bovil.com/>
Moo!

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Group: runacc Message: 1098 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/19/2005
Subject: Re: What does the MD do? (was Re: Tech rehearsals from a geek point

In a message dated 5/19/2005 7:39:31 PM Central Daylight Time,
bpconnell@verizon.net writes:

> As an example, in the past, it has been the concom that has asked me to run
> green rooms, not the MDs.

That’s because you are the best there is at running a Green Room!
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1099 From: Byron Connell Date: 5/19/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging

In my opinion, no. When I serve as a judge, I prefer judging rules that ask the judges to make their decisions by holding each entry up to their standard for the division over rules that pit the entrants against one another. You’ll notice that I normally refer to “entrants,” not “contestants.” I believe that everyone who deserves an award should receive one and that no one who does not deserve an award should receive one. As a result, I dislike arbitrary limits on the number of awards the judges may give, either overall or by division. By this philosophy, it is possible for every entry in a division to receive an award. It also is possible for no entry to do so, if the judges find that none of the entries met the standards they expected of contestants in that division.

I recognize that a lot of costumers disagree with my position.

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: osierhenry@cs.com<mailto:osierhenry@cs.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] More on Judging

In a message dated 5/18/2005 9:33:45 PM Central Daylight Time,
bpconnell@verizon.net<mailto:bpconnell@verizon.net> writes:
> In my opinion, if the judges decide that none of the entries in the master
> division meet their standards for work in that division, they would be
> justified in giving no master division awards.

Couldn’t someone in the Master division get a best in division, but not a
best in show, in that case?

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1100 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/19/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging

In a message dated 5/19/2005 7:50:08 PM Central Daylight Time,
bpconnell@verizon.net writes:

> I recognize that a lot of costumers disagree with my position.

Not this one. You explained yourself well!
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1001 From: grizzy1955 Date: 5/11/2005
Subject: Re: judging
Group: runacc Message: 1002 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 5/12/2005
Subject: Concerning this mailing list…
Group: runacc Message: 1003 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/12/2005
Subject: Re: judging
Group: runacc Message: 1004 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 5/12/2005
Subject: Re: judging
Group: runacc Message: 1005 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/12/2005
Subject: talking (was Re: [runacc] judging
Group: runacc Message: 1006 From: David Doering Date: 5/12/2005
Subject: Re: judging
Group: runacc Message: 1007 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/12/2005
Subject: Re: Lighting
Group: runacc Message: 1008 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/12/2005
Subject: Judging panel video
Group: runacc Message: 1009 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/12/2005
Subject: Re: Presentation: Serious, funny and entries
Group: runacc Message: 1010 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/12/2005
Subject: Re: Lighting
Group: runacc Message: 1011 From: grizzy1955 Date: 5/12/2005
Subject: Re: Lighting
Group: runacc Message: 1012 From: grizzy1955 Date: 5/13/2005
Subject: Re: Lighting
Group: runacc Message: 1013 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 5/13/2005
Subject: [Fwd: Re: Ribbons]
Group: runacc Message: 1014 From: Trudy Leonard Date: 5/14/2005
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Ribbons]
Group: runacc Message: 1015 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/15/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging
Group: runacc Message: 1016 From: Elaine Mami Date: 5/15/2005
Subject: computer problems
Group: runacc Message: 1017 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/15/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging – judge biases
Group: runacc Message: 1018 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/15/2005
Subject: More on Judging — biased judges answering questions from contesta
Group: runacc Message: 1019 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/15/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging – judge biases
Group: runacc Message: 1020 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/15/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging — biased judges answering questions from cont
Group: runacc Message: 1021 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/15/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging – judge biases
Group: runacc Message: 1022 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/15/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging – judge biases
Group: runacc Message: 1023 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/15/2005
Subject: “Why we costume”single-comment
Group: runacc Message: 1024 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/15/2005
Subject: Re: “Why we costume”single-comment
Group: runacc Message: 1025 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/15/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging — biased judges answering questions from con
Group: runacc Message: 1026 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/15/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging – comments from R & K
Group: runacc Message: 1027 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/16/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging – judge biases
Group: runacc Message: 1028 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/16/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging – comments from R & K
Group: runacc Message: 1029 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/16/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging — biased judges answering questions from cont
Group: runacc Message: 1030 From: Kevin Roche Date: 5/16/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging — biased judges answering questions from co
Group: runacc Message: 1031 From: Trudy Leonard Date: 5/16/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging – comments from R & K
Group: runacc Message: 1032 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/16/2005
Subject: judges comments
Group: runacc Message: 1033 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 5/16/2005
Subject: Judging and masquerades
Group: runacc Message: 1034 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/16/2005
Subject: Re: Judging and masquerades
Group: runacc Message: 1035 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/16/2005
Subject: Re: “Why we costume”single-comment
Group: runacc Message: 1036 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/16/2005
Subject: Re: Judging and masquerades
Group: runacc Message: 1037 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/16/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging – comments from R & K
Group: runacc Message: 1038 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/16/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging – comments from R & K
Group: runacc Message: 1039 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/16/2005
Subject: Re: Judging and masquerades
Group: runacc Message: 1040 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/16/2005
Subject: Nora objects
Group: runacc Message: 1041 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/16/2005
Subject: Re: Nora objects
Group: runacc Message: 1042 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/16/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging – comments from R & K
Group: runacc Message: 1043 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 5/16/2005
Subject: Re a comment from Bruce, not apropos of judging per se…
Group: runacc Message: 1044 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/16/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging – comments from R & K
Group: runacc Message: 1045 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/16/2005
Subject: Re: Re a comment from Bruce, not apropos of judging per se…
Group: runacc Message: 1046 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 5/16/2005
Subject: Re: Re a comment from Bruce, not apropos of judging per se…
Group: runacc Message: 1047 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/16/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging – comments from R & K
Group: runacc Message: 1048 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/17/2005
Subject: Re: Judging and masquerades
Group: runacc Message: 1049 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 5/18/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging
Group: runacc Message: 1050 From: Charles Date: 5/18/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging

 


 

Group: runacc Message: 1001 From: grizzy1955 Date: 5/11/2005
Subject: Re: judging

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, David Doering <dave@t…> wrote:

> Ricky wrote: “So at what point do we hold judges, and MD’s

accountable for

> things being askew, and judges having their own agendas.”
>
> As I recall, various cons rejected the ICG model masquerade rules

_because_

> they seemed to dictate policy and procedure. For CCs, we’re okay to

ask for

> accountability. But I am not sure how we can hold regular con judges

and MDs accountable

Dave, I guess what maybe what I mean is answerable, perhaps more than
accountable.
I don’t suggest we tar and feather someone because they may have made
unpopular choices, or list them in the newspaper alongside child
abusers. But the frank discussions of what went good and what seemed
hinky about any one masquerade should be allowable.
And if the judges choose to say nothing, or refuse to answer a
costumers questions, is it so wrong to have people know that?
In case we really ever have a big problem judge, isn’t it better that
future MD’s know that before asking them?

There’s always off list or private chatter about what guest writer was
on a panel and too drunk to tell what color a costume was. we all
compare notes.
This discussion would not be a good thing for the ICG list at all, but
it IS why this list is here. Many people here will be put into a
position of choosing judges in the next 5 years or so.

While the ICG can’t force things down the throats of any con, things
that happen at a CC do have a way of positively influencing other
conventions over time.

So, you’re right, there’s no need, reason or probably intent to OUT
judges in public, but this is a private list, and we mostly all know
each other pretty well. We should be able to chat about anything here
at least.

Word gets around about who did what. There are many old timers from
the 70’s and 80’s who would not be asked to judge should they show up
again. Most of us know the stories and thankfully it’s because of all
these lists that things as bad as some old cons were, have not
happened again. ( back when who’s sleeping with who, and who beat who
the last time out and such actually decided a few masquerades)

But it’s a long way from perfect.

Ricky

>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1002 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 5/12/2005
Subject: Concerning this mailing list…

grizzy1955 wrote:

[snip]

>
> So, you’re right, there’s no need, reason or probably intent to OUT
> judges in public, but this is a private list, and we mostly all know
> each other pretty well. We should be able to chat about anything here
> at least.

And this is precisely why this list should remain closely
moderated/managed. The D list contains not just individuals who’ve done
this stuff before, but also quite a number of non-ICG members who just
stumbled into it. Getting deeply into discussions about the politics and
procedures of managing a CC (or, for that matter, the ICG itself) would
just turn off some of those people who aren’t interested in the deep
inner workings of the committees or the organization.

On the other hand, if there are people who should be a part of this
ongoing discussion and who are not presently on this list, they should
be invited to participate. Is there anyone on this list from the CC28
New England bid, for example?

Now that the CC27/28 bids have gone public, and CC26! is real, the
members of this list should probably be adjusted as necessary.

Cheers,

Betsy
(Your friendly, neighborhood list moderator)

 

Group: runacc Message: 1003 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/12/2005
Subject: Re: judging

David Doering wrote:

> As I recall, various cons rejected the ICG model masquerade rules _because_
> they seemed to dictate policy and procedure. For CCs, we’re okay to ask for
> accountability. But I am not sure how we can hold regular con judges and
> MD’s accountable.

OK, official hat on.

The ICG doesn’t have “model masquerade rules.” I think there are model
rules in Janet & Cat’s Masquerade Handbook, but that’s not an ICG document.

The “ICG Masquerade Guidelnes” (as in the icky set that’s still in
effect) and the draft “ICG Guidelines for Fair Competition” (intended to
replace them) do specify policy, but are very thin on procedure. That’s
intentional. Procedure can vary a lot between venues.

Official hat off.

Remember the list we’re on: RunACC. We’re talking about how we can
improve CC both behind the scenes (as in efficiency and learning lessons
from each other) and as we face the membership to provide them a better
experience.

While everybody here should take what we learn back to their locals and
regionals to improve them too, we need to avoid getting too far beyond
our scope. in our basic discussions. We’re not the secret masters of
costuming here (well, we might be, but we’re not too secret and we’re
only masters of our own cons).

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1004 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 5/12/2005
Subject: Re: judging

Aw, c’mon! I’ve been SMOCing for years! Just ask Pierre! 9-)

I do agree, though, that we’re talking about Costume-Con competitons
here, and we should try to stick to that. After all, we’re working with
23 years of assorted history and information, and there’s a lot to be
learned from the ones that worked.

There’s also value in the anecdotal info from other venues, but unless
they work a whole lot like a CC does, the information might not be as
useful as it could otherwise be.

Sorry if I’m rambling. I’m logging off now, and it could be as late as
tomorrow evening before I’ll get a chance to log back in again. Tomorrow
is going to be pure HECK!

Cheers,

Betsy

Andrew T Trembley wrote:

> While everybody here should take what we learn back to their locals and
> regionals to improve them too, we need to avoid getting too far beyond
> our scope. in our basic discussions. We’re not the secret masters of
> costuming here (well, we might be, but we’re not too secret and we’re
> only masters of our own cons).
>
> andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1005 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/12/2005
Subject: talking (was Re: [runacc] judging

grizzy1955 wrote:

> And on a seperate topic, are judges decisions to be kept to
> themselves?
> I have always assumed that I would be held responsible for my
> decisions and have to speak about them when asked.

It is a judge’s responsibility to not volunteer critiques to contestants.

I think it’s within a judge’s discretion to decide whether or not to
offer a critique if asked by the contestant, but if given that critique
should be explained as the individual judge’s opinion, not that of the
whole panel.

Only if all judges are present and talking with the contestant should
the judges discuss things in terms of what the panel thought.

Now I basically agree with you that in most cases a judge should be
ready and willing to discuss an entry with the entrant. Any request,
though, should always (unless you know the person asking the question
and how they accept criticism) be prefixed with a “do you really,
really, really, really, really want my detailed opinion and critique?”
Some people don’t really want your honest opinion.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1006 From: David Doering Date: 5/12/2005
Subject: Re: judging
As a relative new-comer to running CCs, I too am learning here, so I don’t
want to sideline the talk of what the judging standards should be and how
to teach them.

However, what I was struggling with when I made my earlier comment was to
see if our goal is to create a private or a public standard to measure
judging by.

For example, while Ricky writes: “Most of us know the stories…” in
regards to knowing bad judges. These stories we share here amongst
ourselves so we know whom we shouldn’t ask again. On the other hand, Andy
writes “We’re not the secret masters of costuming here…” meaning (to me
at least) that we shouldn’t have a private understanding about how to
measure judges but should have some public guidelines to remedy potentially
bad calls.

Either way, how will future CC chairs (such as myself in the recent past)
be able to know who to ask/not ask as MD, or how to set those standards?

Dave Doering

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Group: runacc Message: 1007 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/12/2005
Subject: Re: Lighting

At 11:29 AM 5/10/2005 +0000, Charles Galway wrote:

>What needs to be the role of the lighting, for the masquerades? In a
>historical sense, that was not really an issue. (like pantomime), it has
>tended to be minimalist lighting conditions, with each contestant getting
>essentially the same lighting, but allowing for different announcing and
>timing.

Historically, anything costumers get beyond blackout and full stage
lighting is gravy.

Some of techno fandom have their own equipment and are happy to bring it,
set it up, and use it, but we cannot rely on a given sort of special
effects lighting (back lighting, gobos, gels, spotlights, etc.) being
present at any given con.

The 1984 WorldCon masquerade was in the Anaheim civic arena, with just
about any kind of lighting possible, but the costumers were not experienced
enough to know what to ask for (no, the blue costume shouldn’t get lit with
blue light), and the crew running the lighting wasn’t experienced enough to
deal with all the special effects.

I think the KISS principle applies here, especially at smaller cons like CC
that do not have a huge budget for specialty lighting.

–Karen

 

Group: runacc Message: 1008 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/12/2005
Subject: Judging panel video

One hopes it’s not just the same ones. And I think actually if this panel
continues at CCs (an excellent way to train future judges), there should be
more than one video, or it should be updated every few with all new entries.
Or, perhaps, one of CCs, one of Worldcons, and maybe one of regional
entries. Each has different challenges.

Bruce

—– Original Message —–
From: “Ricky & Karen Dick” <castleb@pulsenet.com>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Digest Number 224

> Bruce wrote,
>
> >I concur that an updated judging panel video is really needed. Something
> >for CC25, as a panel on masquerade evolution and the judging issues?
That’d
> >give folks plenty of time to put together the necessary clips. 🙂
>
>
> I think Carl is also trying to get first generation tapes onto dvd to do
> this, he certainley borrowed a bunch from us that some at least are the
> originals.
> also, we are working with him to get some sound editing so we can fix that
> which we can’t replace, even in some cases, finding the cd of the music,
> and just re-recording it fresh if there are no cuts.
>
> Ricky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1009 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/12/2005
Subject: Re: Presentation: Serious, funny and entries

That observation is born out here. Interestingly, there has been no decline
in numbers. In fact, it appears to be growing by about an entry or two each
year for the last 5 years, at least.

Bruce

—– Original Message —–
From: “Andrew T Trembley” <attrembl@bovil.com>

> Looking to regionals and west-coast locals, there’s quite a bit of
> serious work and even the funny presentations usually feature excellent
> costumes.

—– Original Message —–
From: “grizzy1955” <castleb@pulsenet.com>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 6:36 PM
Subject: [runacc] Re: Presentation vs Workmanship

> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Pierre & Sandy Pettinger
> <costumrs@r…> wrote:
> > I can say, without naming specific conventions, that I have seen
> terrific
> > presentation that have received no or small awards because the
> costume was
> > poor or suffered from some major design flaws.
>
> There is no shame in giving the lesser or middle-of-the-road costume
> with the terrific presentation a “Best Presentation,” “Most Humorous,”
> or “Best Concept” award. But does it deserve a Best In Show, Judge’s
> Choice, or Best In Class? Only if the quality of the individual
> costume(s) is higher than the other entries in the masquerade.
> Ultimately, it still should be about the costumes.
>
> Over the last decade, we have seen more and more “joke” presentations
> in the East Coast masquerades, and declining numbers in the
> masquerades overall. If judges consistently give the highest awards to
> the best schtick vs. the best costumes, there is *no* incentive for
> anyone to put the effort into high-quality, serious costumes, and I
> think our artform loses something important thereby.
>
> –Karen

 

Group: runacc Message: 1010 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/12/2005
Subject: Re: Lighting

On May 12, 2005, at 3:37 PM, Ricky & Karen Dick wrote:

> The 1984 WorldCon masquerade was in the Anaheim civic arena, with just
> about any kind of lighting possible, but the costumers were not
> experienced
> enough to know what to ask for (no, the blue costume shouldn’t get lit
> with
> blue light), and the crew running the lighting wasn’t experienced
> enough to
> deal with all the special effects.

This is a programming department issue. Plan for a panel on “how to
speak ‘tech'” and how to take advantage of fancy tech. Get costumers
with technical theater background to do a half-hour on advanced
lighting and sound, and how to use them when they’re available.

> I think the KISS principle applies here, especially at smaller cons
> like CC
> that do not have a huge budget for specialty lighting.

From the back-end perspective, a discussion of which “special” lighting
options are worth looking into and which aren’t may be valuable.

Nobody works without any gels anymore. Even the most basic lighting is
going to have some way to tune the color, and this is something that
should be worked out with the crew during tech rehearsal. Good reason
to bring costumes and props to tech rehearsal.

Normally, follow-spots are cheap (how many of you know somebody with an
old spot in their garage?). They’re not usually beneficial to a
presentation (though Des Moines, with its “Epic Movies” theme may draw
entries where one would be appropriate). They’re also usually a
disaster unless run by a very experienced (ideally professional) spot
operator.

Basic gobos (stencils) can be cheap and when used to cover the stage in
dappled light offer a real interesting alternative to a blackout
entrance, because they can be used to obscure detail. I’ve taken
advantage of that in the past. Beyond that, they’re a crapshoot; who
knows if the tech crew is going to have a gobo that specifically
supports your costume or presentation?

Blacklight is a bear; it’s tricky making sure there’s enough. This is
also why “bring your own blacklight” is a risky proposition.


andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
San Jose, CA – ’72 R75/5 ’86 R100 (mine) – ’92 K75sa ’03 R1150R
(Kevin’s)
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Group: runacc Message: 1011 From: grizzy1955 Date: 5/12/2005
Subject: Re: Lighting

The system seems to have eaten my lastest post. Sorry if this is a
duplicate.

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Andrew T Trembley <attrembl@b…> wrote:
> Plan for a panel on “how to
> speak ‘tech'” and how to take advantage of fancy tech. Get costumers
> with technical theater background to do a half-hour on advanced
> lighting and sound, and how to use them when they’re available.

Some conventions have handled this by having a tech person sit at the
Masquerade registration table, so the costumer can explain their
presentation, and the tech person can then translate it into the
appropriate tech language.

Also, many of the East-coast cons have tech rehearsals now, and the
techs may make lighting suggestions (that the costumer may not have
thought of) to enhance the presentation.

–Karen

 

Group: runacc Message: 1012 From: grizzy1955 Date: 5/13/2005
Subject: Re: Lighting

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Andrew T Trembley <attrembl@b…> wrote:

> Normally, follow-spots are cheap (how many of you know somebody with an
> old spot in their garage?). They’re not usually beneficial to a
> presentation (though Des Moines, with its “Epic Movies” theme may draw
> entries where one would be appropriate). They’re also usually a
> disaster unless run by a very experienced (ideally professional) spot
> operator.

Follow spots were really common at cons in the 70’s and early 80’s,
when there were a lot of solo entries, and said entries typically did
“model turns” and behaved in a predictable manner onstage.

I think as presentations acquired more people and got more complex, a
lot of conventions just gave up and turned the stage lights on full.
So most of us plan for general lighting and are grateful if we can get
anything else.

–Karen

 

Group: runacc Message: 1013 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 5/13/2005
Subject: [Fwd: Re: Ribbons]

This is an excellent tip, and should be posted here as well, because it
related to the current conversation about masquerades.

Cheers,

Betsy

——– Original Message ——–
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Ribbons
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 12:03:47 -0400
From: martingear
Organization: Martin Gear Consulting Ltd.
To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com

Regarding Ribbons –

A few tips to Masquerade Directors, particularly of Costume Cons.
Buy half again as many rosette ribbons as you think that you are going
to need.
Have the center streamer printed “Masquerade Winner”. (The certificates
can tell what the award was.)
For each Masquerade competition buy an additional dozen to 15 (or more)
center streamers imprinted with “Best-in-Class Masquerade Winner”, and
since large groups are popular another 10 to 20 center streamers
imprinted with “Best-in-Show Masquerade Winner”.
Buy one great big fancy “Best-in-Show” Rosette (if B-i-S is a group they
can fight over who gets to keep this one.)

In this way you don’t have to be omniscient and you can be pretty sure
that everyone who deserves a ribbon leaves the con with one. If you
have totally mis estimated the number of award ribbons then you either
tell your judges that they can only give X number of awards, or you
don’t give ribbons, only certificates, to the honorable mentions or
equivalent.

Center streamers are cheap ($0.45 each from Hodges Badge Company and the
charge for changing the printing is only $0.75). It is is very easy to
replace the center streamers on the spot particularly if the MD is in
with the judges (as he or she should be) and can do this when they
decide on B-i-C and B-i-S.

If you are MD for a regional, you can pick one color scheme to be used
from year to year, so that the extras won’t go to waste, and change the
center streamers for the left overs.

Charles wrote:

>We had a similar problem with getting all the ribbons to the (Phoenix) Journeyman presentation award — since one of the costumers (Cheryl Johnson) was not able to attend, but given that it was a presentation award, we felt like I (who had taken Cheryl’s place) should also be able to get a ribbon also. Perhaps I could have just recieved a certificate, since those are easy to print more of.
>
>This did present a bit of a challenge for Dora, in writing up the records, which I thought she wrote up very well, including me, and Cheryl.
>
>Charles
>—– Original Message —–
> From: Julie Zetterberg Sardo
>
> I think we were next-to-last announced, and got three ribbons. Greg
> and I can share ours, but one of the ‘makers’ wasn’t able to make the
> trip and if another ribbon could be found for her, that would be nice.
> We did manage to get a certificate for her, which is probably more
> important.
>
> –Julie ZS
>
>
>
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Yahoo! Groups Links

 

Group: runacc Message: 1014 From: Trudy Leonard Date: 5/14/2005
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Ribbons]

If anyone didn’t get a ribbon at CC22 who should have, please let me know.
We have lots left.
(still working on certificates, *^%#, it)

Trudy

>From: Betsy Delaney <bdelaney@hawkeswood.com>
>Reply-To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
>To: Run a Costume-Con Mailing List <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [runacc] [Fwd: Re: Ribbons]
>Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 14:46:43 -0700
>
>This is an excellent tip, and should be posted here as well, because it
>related to the current conversation about masquerades.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Betsy
>
>——– Original Message ——–
>Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Ribbons
>Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 12:03:47 -0400
>From: martingear
>Organization: Martin Gear Consulting Ltd.
>To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com
>
>Regarding Ribbons –
>
>A few tips to Masquerade Directors, particularly of Costume Cons.
>Buy half again as many rosette ribbons as you think that you are going
>to need.
>Have the center streamer printed “Masquerade Winner”. (The certificates
>can tell what the award was.)
>For each Masquerade competition buy an additional dozen to 15 (or more)
>center streamers imprinted with “Best-in-Class Masquerade Winner”, and
>since large groups are popular another 10 to 20 center streamers
>imprinted with “Best-in-Show Masquerade Winner”.
>Buy one great big fancy “Best-in-Show” Rosette (if B-i-S is a group they
>can fight over who gets to keep this one.)
>
>In this way you don’t have to be omniscient and you can be pretty sure
>that everyone who deserves a ribbon leaves the con with one. If you
>have totally mis estimated the number of award ribbons then you either
>tell your judges that they can only give X number of awards, or you
>don’t give ribbons, only certificates, to the honorable mentions or
>equivalent.
>
>Center streamers are cheap ($0.45 each from Hodges Badge Company and the
>charge for changing the printing is only $0.75). It is is very easy to
>replace the center streamers on the spot particularly if the MD is in
>with the judges (as he or she should be) and can do this when they
>decide on B-i-C and B-i-S.
>
>If you are MD for a regional, you can pick one color scheme to be used
>from year to year, so that the extras won’t go to waste, and change the
>center streamers for the left overs.
>
>Charles wrote:
>
> >We had a similar problem with getting all the ribbons to the (Phoenix)
>Journeyman presentation award — since one of the costumers (Cheryl
>Johnson) was not able to attend, but given that it was a presentation
>award, we felt like I (who had taken Cheryl’s place) should also be able to
>get a ribbon also. Perhaps I could have just recieved a certificate, since
>those are easy to print more of.
> >
> >This did present a bit of a challenge for Dora, in writing up the
>records, which I thought she wrote up very well, including me, and Cheryl.
> >
> >Charles
> >—– Original Message —–
> > From: Julie Zetterberg Sardo
> >
> > I think we were next-to-last announced, and got three ribbons. Greg
> > and I can share ours, but one of the ‘makers’ wasn’t able to make the
> > trip and if another ribbon could be found for her, that would be nice.
> > We did manage to get a certificate for her, which is probably more
> > important.
> >
> > –Julie ZS
> >
> >
> >
> >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
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Group: runacc Message: 1015 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/15/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Karen Heim <axejudge@a…> wrote:

> As Andy and Pierre said in their judging workshop, all judges have
> biases. What the MD has to do is pick judges whose biases balance each
> other, so there isn’t one agenda working, but rather a variety of
> viewpoints available.

Better yet, an MD needs to pick a panel of judges that have the most
minimal biases possible.

Let’s be clear on definitions here. A “bias” is “I like robots,” ” I hate
purple,” “I just don’t get furries,” or whatever. Good MD’s balance the
panel, as has been said by all, and a good judge needs to be aware of their
own biases and try to look past them.

However, the real problem here is the Agenda. An “agenda” is someone using
their position as a judge to change masquerades by the awards they give
out. When a judge says, “oh, him/her/them again” and purposely LOOKS for
something different to award, that is wrong, and proves that the judge is
basing their choices on the long history of the hobby and NOT on what is on
stage that particular night. And that judge should be outted and not asked
to judge again.

For Dave and those of you who may not be up on the “old stories,” we refer
you to WorldCon (ConStellation) in 1983, where, during deliberations, one
of the judges flat-out refused to give a major award to one entry (because
they had been winning “too much” lately), and also insured that another
deserving entry did not receive an award at all by giving it a “zero” as a
score. That person has never been permitted to judge again.

There was lots of discussion in the 80’s about not allowing active
costumers to judge because of this type of prejudicial judging.

A good judge should be willing to give Best In Show to their worst
competitive rival, or someone they dislike personally.

> Fresh blood is good…

As an untested commodity, fresh blood is a mixed blessing at best.
Sometimes, the fresh blood can be a competent judge; sometimes the fresh
blood can be a loose cannon.
One new judge on a panel can be a great way to train new judges, but we’re
back to the point of needing a strong and even-tempered MD to be back there
with them. That way we can increase the judging pool and make life easier
on everybody.

> If a number of judges are in a similar rut, then the masquerade results all
> seem to look the same, which can be discouraging to people who are
> trying to push the envelope – often that isn’t rewarded, so a certain
> sameness creeps in – and quite frankly, that makes for a boring masquerade.

And just what authority defines what is a rut and what is not? Change is a
natural process and should not be forced.

Pushing the envelope is always risky, and costumers who choose to do so
should understand there is the possibility of failure as well as success.
Judges should not be awarding something simply because it is “different”–a
costume has to meet other criteria as well. (We’re back to “scope of work
attempted,” quality of execution, etc. which we all agreed upon many posts
back.)

If a judge is bored by a masquerade, then maybe it’s time to step down and
leave the judging to others. We also must question why that judge is bored,
as judges are supposed to approach each masquerade as if they had never
seen any other masquerades, or prior work of any of the competitors.

> > I’ve seen judges asked in a public/dead dog forum to answer, and have
> > them say, no, but I would speak to the one costumer privately, and
> > thats a great way to handle it.

As frequent regional and national judges, we have answered questions both
in public forums (masquerade debriefing panels) and when asked privately.
However, we strive to point out all the good things about a costume first,
and will never trash someone who isn’t present.

A good judge is willing to explain their decisions. Having to deal with
upset contestants is part of the territory. “I don’t want to talk about it”
is not an adequate response. “I will be happy to discuss this with you
privately later,” is a polite way to demur if the location is too public.

> I was confronted by one person at the con suite, who was in a
> presentation, but I don’t believe was one of the costume-makers …

Couldn’t have been anyone from our group then, as everyone worked on the
costumes and therefore was entitled to discuss the group/presentation with
the judges.
We never spoke to you ( Karen Heim) ourselves, because after speaking at
length to the other two judges, we had all the information we needed.

–Karen and Ricky

 

Group: runacc Message: 1016 From: Elaine Mami Date: 5/15/2005
Subject: computer problems
Betsy,

I’m stuck with major computer problems, so I need to ask you to put me on
the “no e-mail” list until I can get it all fixed. Carl’s working on it,
and I’ll let you know when I’m up and running again.

Thanks,

Elaine

Nil significat nisi oscillat!

 

Group: runacc Message: 1017 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/15/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging – judge biases

Bruce here:

Very interesting discussion. What I find fascinating (for lack of a better
word) is that 2 years ago almost to the day, I raised some pointed questions
about judging issues on the D list. There were some people that got all
bent out of shape for my even asking them, to the point that they were
e-mailing Carl to question my motives for even bringing them up. Thaaaat’s
real open-minded. Still not sure whether it was because I was the one
asking the questions or if it was just the subject matter.

In any case, as inevitably happens on the D list, things quickly got
off-track either because people got bored or didn’t have any interest in the
subject matter. So I’m already a bit reticent about what I’d like to ask
here. But I’m hoping that, since this is a much smaller member list, we
can stay focused more easily on the issues.

While I agree that the purpose of this list is to discuss CC issues, I
believe the judging criteria are relevant on a global level. As Ricky has
said, these discussions tend to filter down into the rest of the community
and have positive effects, just like the CostumAPA did 2 decades ago.

Anyway, as it happened, the SLCG had one of our regular meetings last
night. It was brought up that maybe something we ought to do as a Guild
chapter is have a series of roundtable discussions about the kinds of issues
that get brought up by who are loosely considered the leaders of our
costuming community. So I made some notes. We pretty much agreed on a lot
of points, so while I’m presenting my thoughts below, they also represent
some of the “group think” as well. So, I have a series of questions.

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Karen Heim <axejudge@a…> wrote:
> As Andy and Pierre said in their judging workshop, all judges have
> biases. What the MD has to do is pick judges whose biases balance each
> other, so there isn’t one agenda working, but rather a variety of
> viewpoints available.

From: “Ricky & Karen Dick” <castleb@pulsenet.com>

“Better yet, an MD needs to pick a panel of judges that have the most
minimal biases possible.

Let’s be clear on definitions here. A “bias” is “I like robots,” ” I
hate
purple,” “I just don’t get furries,” or whatever. Good MD’s balance the
panel, as has been said by all, and a good judge needs to be aware of
their
own biases and try to look past them.”

However, the real problem here is the Agenda. An “agenda” is someone
using
their position as a judge to change masquerades by the awards they give
out. When a judge says, “oh, him/her/them again” and purposely LOOKS for
something different to award, that is wrong, and proves that the judge
is
basing their choices on the long history of the hobby and NOT on what is
on
stage that particular night. And that judge should be outted and not
asked
to judge again.”

How is a particular bias determined to be so detrimental that a judge
deserves to be “outed”, as you say? Wouldn’t this have to be based on a
pattern of choices by a particular judge, or can that determination be made
on one incident? Who would you say gets to make this call? And if a well
known judge has a well-known bias, then, should that judge even be asked to
serve? (More on this later)

It would seem that if there’s a judging problem, then based on what you’ve
said above, does this mean there needs to be guidelines for the MDs? That
would open a whole can of worms. Should MDs who make consistantly bad
choices for judges then be dunned? And then who administers the dunning?
Sound like a job for…..SMOC!!!(?)

From: “Karen Heim” <axejudge@accessus.net>
>> Fresh blood is good.

“Ricky & Karen Dick” <castleb@pulsenet.com>
>As an untested commodity, fresh blood is a mixed blessing at best.
>Sometimes, the fresh blood can be a competent judge; sometimes the fresh
>blood can be a loose cannon.
>One new judge on a panel can be a great way to train new judges, but we’re
>back to the point of needing a strong and even-tempered MD to be back
>there with them. That way we can increase the judging pool and make life
easier >on everybody.

So, if an MD chooses only someone who is “acceptable” or “safe”, how has
that really helped expand the judging pool? I would think a good MD would
be willing to take a chance on a >somewhat< unknown quantity.

>> From: “Karen Heim” <axejudge@accessus.net>
>>If a number of judges are in a similar rut, then the masquerade results
all
>>seem to look the same, which can be discouraging to people who are
>>trying to push the envelope – often that isn’t rewarded, so a certain
>>sameness creeps in – and quite frankly, that makes for a boring
masquerade.

>From: “Ricky & Karen Dick” <castleb@pulsenet.com>
>And just what authority defines what is a rut and what is not? Change is a
>natural process and should not be forced. Pushing the envelope is always
risky,
>and costumers who choose to do so should understand there is the
possibility of failure as well as >success.

Okay, let me ask a similar question. I’ve seen any number of costumers at
regional and International level who have a particular style or work with
one particular media (say, armor, for instance) and are very good at what
they do. Because of that level of excellence, they consistantly get
rewarded. Human nautre being what it is, they pretty much stick to their
particular craft because they not only are comfortable with it, but they
consistantly get rewarded for it. Why should they change? Now, let’s say
Costumer “S” decides to do something completely different in style or media,
does it well, but the major award still goes to another costumer who has not
changed – Costumer “M”. What message does this send to Costume “S”? Change
is not rewarded. Why should he experiment again?

I’m not saying reward something only because it’s different – it should
still be good. But, deep down, whether we admit it or not, we all want to
be acknowledged for our efforts, no matter how much we protest that we’re
“creating for ourselves”. And if someone sees that the same kinds of
costuming are rewarded and orginality is not, they’re going to follow the
model of what succeeds.

>From: “Ricky & Karen Dick” <castleb@pulsenet.com>
>If a judge is bored by a masquerade, then maybe it’s time to step down and
>leave the judging to others. We also must question why that judge is bored,
>as judges are supposed to approach each masquerade as if they had never
>seen any other masquerades, or prior work of any of the competitors.

Why?
I agree, a judge should not base their decision on an individual costumer’s
past presentations, but are you saying that a judge should have no knowledge
of masquerade history at all? Should they not use that knowledge in their
decision making? I can’t see how that’s possible.

So if I understand correctly, it’s up to the costumers to foment change.
But there doesn’t appear to be much motivation to do so. If the judges
don’t have the responsibiltity, then it would seem to be the MDs.
Masquerade Directors are just as fallible as anyone else. Who would they
look to?

Bruce

 

Group: runacc Message: 1018 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/15/2005
Subject: More on Judging — biased judges answering questions from contesta

Karen and Ricky have posed a number of questions/ issues. I’m trying to
break these up in the hopes that folks will observe the convention to stick
to one topic per e-mail so that we don’t get muddled.

I was tempted to weigh in on this subject in prior e-mail, but I wanted to
take more space with this to relate a story about supposed judge bias in
regards to answering questions. If I had, though, that e-mail would have
been even longer.

Without being too specific, a while back, I had a costume entry that
received no award. I accepted that this happens, given that the competition
was pretty stiff. Y’know how sometimes it doesn’t bother you if you don’t
get something, but then there are other times, you think you did something
cool and you don’t get squat – you’d like to know why. So I approached one
of the judges, who was a well-established and respected costumer, and asked
very specifcally and as non-confrontationally as I could, if there was
anything I could have done differently that might have affected their/the
panel’s decision. The answer was, no – they felt my entry really didn’t
belong in that masquerade.

Interestingly, I heard later on that this costumer had a long-standing bias
in regard to the type of presentation I’d done. Yet, they were on the
panel, because they supposedly represented the “mainstream” of costuming
experience. They were not new to this by any means.

Now, had I known about this clear and publicly stated bias ahead of time, I
would have had to make a choice – go into the masquerade knowing that the
odds were good that the presentation would get no award, or just not compete
that presentation.

So, the merits of my originality were never considered – it did not fit the
“acceptable” norm. So much for the costumer being to affect change.

Bruce

—– Original Message —–
From: “Ricky & Karen Dick” <castleb@pulsenet.com>

As frequent regional and national judges, we have answered questions both
in public forums (masquerade debriefing panels) and when asked privately.
However, we strive to point out all the good things about a costume first,
and will never trash someone who isn’t present.

A good judge is willing to explain their decisions. Having to deal with
upset contestants is part of the territory. “I don’t want to talk about it”
is not an adequate response. “I will be happy to discuss this with you
privately later,” is a polite way to demur if the location is too public.

–Karen and Ricky

 

Group: runacc Message: 1019 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/15/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging – judge biases

Bruce,
as always thought provoking questions.
so maybe I can answer for myself, or at least better explain my own position.

>How is a particular bias determined to be so detrimental that a judge
>deserves to be “outed”, as you say? Wouldn’t this have to be based on a
>pattern of choices by a particular judge, or can that determination be made
>on one incident? Who would you say gets to make this call? And if a well
>known judge has a well-known bias, then, should that judge even be asked to
>serve?

There are some folks who actually SAY in print, what they are looking for.
That would surely be one way to decide if that is an open or closed minded
person.Otherwise you are correct that a pattern needs to be established to
decide if a judge handles things unfairly.

And the stickier question is when is it okay for a judge to tell tales on
another one?

And BOTH these questions are moot if we have a good strong MD IN with the
judges as the leader of the descisions. not makeing them of course, but
there to supervise so folks may be less inclined to try to ram something
through, as the person in charge of the masq is right there.

In Many ways our concerns can all be addressed by a strong and thorough MD
which was not the case this year.

> (More on this later)
>
>It would seem that if there’s a judging problem, then based on what you’ve
>said above, does this mean there needs to be guidelines for the MDs? That
>would open a whole can of worms. Should MDs who make consistantly bad
>choices for judges then be dunned? And then who administers the dunning?

We listed 10 days or so ago a list of instructions to be read as a reminder
ofto the judges. no one on this list said they had a theoretical problem
with any individual topic on the list.

We all realize that there’s no 100% fix for this, just some safeguards that
might help.

Sound like a job for…..SMOC!!!(?)

this list is a kinder gentler way of trying just that. Most costumers
don’t even know it exists.

>So, if an MD chooses only someone who is “acceptable” or “safe”, how has
>that really helped expand the judging pool? I would think a good MD would
>be willing to take a chance on a >somewhat< unknown quantity.

Not at all Let the MD pick a new person everytime for all I care, just make
sure there’s supervision so that things run FAIRLY.
A new judge with new ideas and experiences to bring to the table is great,
but that can still be done while upholding the traditions that the
attendees expect from CC judges.

>Okay, let me ask a similar question. I’ve seen any number of costumers at
>regional and International level who have a particular style or work with
>one particular media (say, armor, for instance) and are very good at what
>they do. Because of that level of excellence, they consistantly get
>rewarded. Human nautre being what it is, they pretty much stick to their
>particular craft because they not only are comfortable with it, but they
>consistantly get rewarded for it. Why should they change? Now, let’s say
>Costumer “S” decides to do something completely different in style or media,
>does it well, but the major award still goes to another costumer who has not
>changed – Costumer “M”. What message does this send to Costume “S”? Change
>is not rewarded. Why should he experiment again?

Art is art, it is the wacky nature of our hobby that a mechanoid is judged
in the same class as a furry or a fairey.
The judge needs to be fair as far as ‘is it a WELL made fairey” or
whatever. I try to look at the amount of work involved and the perfection
of the finished product.
I value 100 hours of work the same whether it is beading or fiberglass.
whether I know the techinique itself or like it or not is irrelevant.

>I’m not saying reward something only because it’s different – it should
>still be good. But, deep down, whether we admit it or not, we all want to
>be acknowledged for our efforts, no matter how much we protest that we’re
>”creating for ourselves”. And if someone sees that the same kinds of
>costuming are rewarded and orginality is not, they’re going to follow the
>model of what succeeds.

If they are in it just for the win and want to sacrifice their artform,
then you may well be right.
But these things tend to flow back and forth as to what wins or not.
just like the discussion 2 years ago about big groups being unfair.
when it’s about 50/50 as far as BIS for costume con vs single/couple. in
the longer run it evens out.

> >From: “Ricky & Karen Dick” <castleb@pulsenet.com>
> >If a judge is bored by a masquerade, then maybe it’s time to step down and
> >leave the judging to others. We also must question why that judge is bored,
> >as judges are supposed to approach each masquerade as if they had never
> >seen any other masquerades, or prior work of any of the competitors.
>
>Why?
>I agree, a judge should not base their decision on an individual costumer’s
>past presentations, but are you saying that a judge should have no knowledge
>of masquerade history at all? Should they not use that knowledge in their
>decision making? I can’t see how that’s possible.

Perhaps poorly stated originally.
we need judges to look at things thru the eyes of experience or they may as
well pull all the judges from the audience at the last minute

but that knowledge is to know what’s good or not in a general sense and
maybe so there’s some knowledge about copying someone’s original works and
claiming it as thier own.

But the masq that night still needs to be competed against only what is on
stage that night.

If I only do blue costumes for the rest of my carreer, it is not up to the
judge to base my winning or not on the fact that they are tired of seeing
me in blue.

>So if I understand correctly, it’s up to the costumers to foment change.
>But there doesn’t appear to be much motivation to do so. If the judges
>don’t have the responsibiltity, then it would seem to be the MDs.
>Masquerade Directors are just as fallible as anyone else. Who would they
>look to?

everyone is fallible!, that’s why there needs to be open discussion of
these topics so that we can all learn from each other and as a communitee
get a grip on some basic parameters.

In closing, I think that this hobby is SO creative and SO out there
stylewise, that THAT is the very reason we need to be trying to give as
level a playing field as we can whenever possible

I look back on how it was 30 years ago, and marvel that we have actually
come this far.

Ricky

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Group: runacc Message: 1020 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/15/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging — biased judges answering questions from cont

Bruce, you wrote:

>Without being too specific, a while back, I had a costume entry that
>received no award. I accepted that this happens, given that the competition
>was pretty stiff. Y’know how sometimes it doesn’t bother you if you don’t
>get something, but then there are other times, you think you did something
>cool and you don’t get squat – you’d like to know why. So I approached one
>of the judges, who was a well-established and respected costumer, and asked
>very specifcally and as non-confrontationally as I could, if there was
>anything I could have done differently that might have affected their/the
>panel’s decision. The answer was, no – they felt my entry really didn’t
>belong in that masquerade.

Well that statement alone is pretty damn harsh. I like some or your work
better than other things you’ve done, but I have a hard time believeing
that you showed up wearing crap.
I mean we all fall on our faces once in a while, but this comment is pretty
out there.

I supposed it’s just one judges opinion and that there were at least 2
others to counteract that one, but as we’ve always seen one judge giving a
zero, pretty much takes you out of the awards.

damn russian judges

>Interestingly, I heard later on that this costumer had a long-standing bias
>in regard to the type of presentation I’d done. Yet, they were on the
>panel, because they supposedly represented the “mainstream” of costuming
>experience. They were not new to this by any means.
>
>Now, had I known about this clear and publicly stated bias ahead of time, I
>would have had to make a choice – go into the masquerade knowing that the
>odds were good that the presentation would get no award, or just not compete
>that presentation.
>
>So, the merits of my originality were never considered – it did not fit the
>”acceptable” norm. So much for the costumer being to affect change.

First off, change comes slowly.
and there are so many cases of major awards being given to things that push
the envelope, we all need to realize that at some point each of us has had
a costume go bad for the greater good.

I think of Holocaust, Beneath Alien Waves, The 2001 ballet, and the list
goes on for originality if not awarded best in show, at the very least
maling an impact in the hobby later if not right at the moment.

You’re right about making the choices tho.

There was a costume I competed against once that had a lot of techy stuff
on it. 2 of the three judges were known to love that kind of thing. My
costume was pretty close to the other one in quality I thought, but when in
the green room I saw stuff stick out and start to glow and spin, I knew I
was in for a long night.

BUT, As we’ve tried to teach Caitlin when she decided she wanted to be a
costumer and got us excited about being active again.
You can only strive to be one of the top 5-6 things that will live on in
memory after the convention is long over. Anything past that can only be a
crap shoot.

What did I think of that panel?
well if I was the MD, the two folks who were techy ( and are fine
upstanding people) might not have been BOTH asked to judge at the same time.
however, I have no way of knowing who else was availible and if the MD had
this knowledge that seemed to me to be obvious.

And sadley, what little I know about you Bruce, I would think you would
have been pleased with at least getting an most original award if that was
what you were trying to do even if they didn’t give you a best of. So
overall, you got hosed. and I say that assuming that the judge was probably
someone we all know and probably most of us call friend.

Ricky

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Group: runacc Message: 1021 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/15/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging – judge biases

At 12:42 PM 5/15/2005 -0500, you wrote:

>What I find fascinating (for lack of a better
>word) is that 2 years ago almost to the day, I raised some pointed questions
>about judging issues on the D list…

The D list is not the place to discuss political or technical issues, or
anything that requires deep thought. The D list is about “Ooooh, pretty!”
or “I need help with information about…” and the attention span there is
very short. The D list is also open to virtually everyone, including people
who don’t belong to the ICG, don’t go to Costume-Con, and don’t give a flip
about judging or contests or whatever, so it’s just not the right forum.

>How is a particular bias determined to be so detrimental that a judge
>deserves to be “outed”, as you say?

We didn’t say a judge should be outed on the basis of a bias. We said a
judge should be outed on the basis of an agenda. Please re-read the
definitions and the examples given in our previous email.

Also, if a judge has a bias, it should be applied uniformly, not
selectively, to the field being judged
(e.g., if the bias is “I hate group costumes,” then ALL group costumes must
be equally dinged, not just groups A, D, and F but not B, C, and E).

>Wouldn’t this have to be based on a pattern of choices by a particular
>judge, or can that determination be made on one incident?

If the judge says things during deliberation that makes it obvious there is
an agenda, it only takes ONE incident. (Again, I refer you to ConStellation
1983.)

>Who would you say gets to make this call?

A conscientious Masquerade Director.

>And if a well known judge has a well-known bias, then, should that judge
>even be asked to serve?

Yes, if

(1) It is a bias and not an agenda;

(2) There are no other judges on the same panel with the same bias.

>It would seem that if there’s a judging problem, then based on what you’ve
>said above, does this mean there needs to be guidelines for the MDs?

Yes, and we have already discussed them and reached a consensus here.

>Should MDs who make consistantly bad choices for judges then be dunned?

Yes. Hopefully, because we are discussing this here with future con chairs
and masquerade directors reading it, potential future problems will be
nipped in the bud.

>So, if an MD chooses only someone who is “acceptable” or “safe”, how has
>that really helped expand the judging pool? I would think a good MD would
>be willing to take a chance on a >somewhat< unknown quantity.

Only if there is only one new or “unknown commodity” on a given judging panel.

>Okay, let me ask a similar question. I’ve seen any number of costumers at
>regional and International level who have a particular style or work with
>one particular media (say, armor, for instance) and are very good at what
>they do. Because of that level of excellence, they consistantly get
>rewarded. Human nautre being what it is, they pretty much stick to their
>particular craft because they not only are comfortable with it, but they
>consistantly get rewarded for it. Why should they change?

Why should they have to change? Why should they be penalized for developing
and refining a distinctive style?

Costume designers for stage, movies, and TV, and real-world fashion
designers are known for having signature styles, so why should fandom be
any different?

If Bob Mackie decides to enter the Costume-Con masquerade, and his entry is
a beads, feathers, and glitz extravaganza like he’s made for Cher, and it’s
the best thing in that particular masquerade, should the judges penalize
him for having made similar items for Cher, Carol Burnett, Las Vegas shows,
etc. and give Best In Show to something else?

Costuming is not the Boy Scouts. Nobody gives out merit badges for doing 15
different styles of costume. Some costumers do one thing well. Some
costumers do a bunch of things well. Some costumers are “Jack of all trades
and master of none.” It is not the job of the judges or the costuming
community to force its members to try a bunch of different styles if that’s
not their area of interest. Neither are they obligated to give “extra
credit” points to the costumers who do.

>Now, let’s say Costumer “S” decides to do something completely different
>in style or media, does it well, but the major award still goes to another
>costumer who has not changed – Costumer “M”. What message does this send
>to Costume “S”? Change is not rewarded. Why should he experiment again?

In all probability, the judges decided the way they did because costumer
“M”‘s costume was still better in some way than costumer “S”‘s. Maybe
costumer “M”‘s costume was better made than costumer “S”‘s (aka “quality of
execution”), especially since costumer “S” is trying something new and may
or may not have mastered all the fine points of it. Maybe costumer “M”‘s
costume had more different techniques on it (aka “scope of work
attempted”), all done well, while costumer “S”‘s costume had fewer or only
one technique on it, albeit done well. There are a bunch of different
factors at work here.

Should the judges give costumer “S” a higher award than costumer “M” merely
because costumer “S” tried something different, irregardless of any other
factors? Absolutely not.

Further, are the judges even aware that costumer “S” is trying something
different? It is virtually impossible for every judge to be “up” on every
costumer’s work at every masquerade at every convention.

Now, conversely, if costumer “S” tries something different, and “scope of
work attempted” and “quality of execution” are higher than those of
costumer “M,” then, yes, costumer “S” should get the higher award.

>But, deep down, whether we admit it or not, we all want to
>be acknowledged for our efforts, no matter how much we protest that we’re
>”creating for ourselves”. And if someone sees that the same kinds of
>costuming are rewarded and orginality is not, they’re going to follow the
>model of what succeeds.

There are trends over time as to what kind of costuming is popular. Thing
are very different now than in the photographs of fannish costumes that I
see from the 40’s-60’s, and from when I first started in the 70’s. The
artform continues to develop, trends come and go, and the “lifers” in the
hobby adapt, or evolve, or decide they’d rather plant a garden than go to
Costume-Con that year. Many trends develop across years, or even decades.
Change is gradual. The judges are there to analyze what is there at any
given masquerade, but not to force change in any given direction.

Until we have omniscient judges that know every costume from every
convention from 1939 on, it is impossible to truly determine originality.
What seems to be “original” at one convention may have been done at another
convention in another geographic area the same year…or at the very same
convention 15 years ago.

>I agree, a judge should not base their decision on an individual
>costumer’s past presentations, but are you saying that a judge should have
>no knowledge of masquerade history at all? Should they not use that
>knowledge in their decision making? I can’t see how that’s possible.

Ricky addressed the masquerade history question in terms of using that
knowledge to know what overall comprises a good costume. However, the
moment the judges start basing decisions on “I liked their costume in 1998
better,” or “I liked the robots done at WorldCon in 1985 and DragonCon in
2001 better,” that judge is no longer judging the masquerade at hand, and
that is wrong. The judges should be judging what they are seeing on the
stage that night.

>So if I understand correctly, it’s up to the costumers to foment change.
>But there doesn’t appear to be much motivation to do so.

Some costumers will try new things just because they like to learn new
things, or had a vision in their head about a particular costume. That
doesn’t mean the audience will like it or understand it. That doesn’t mean
the judges should automatically reward it.

Motivation to make a costume is not always based purely on getting awards.
Some costumers are motivated to make a certain costume because they want to
have and wear that certain costume, and if they make it for the
competition, then they will have it from that point forward. Some costumers
are motivated to try a new technique because they want to learn a new
technique. Some costumers are motivated because they want to be on the
stage and perform and make the audience laugh, or go “ewww!” or whatever.
Some costumers are motivated by some combination of these factors.

Ask some of the “lifers” in this hobby why they are doing it, and the
answer is not necessarily “in order to win.” You’d be surprised at the
number of “because I *have* to” answers you might hear. People make
costumes to escape into a different persona. People make costumes just to
wear them in the halls and “freak the mundanes.” People make costumes when
there is no immediate place to wear them or compete them. That’s part of
what makes this hobby such a fascinating one.

–Karen

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Group: runacc Message: 1022 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/15/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging – judge biases

Karen Dick wrote:

> Motivation to make a costume is not always based purely on getting awards.

I like awards as much as the next guy, but awards are never my
motivation for making a costume (although that tends to get cloudy once
I hit the green room).

Usually my motivation for making the costume is kind of like the
motivation to climb Mount Everest. The idea is there. My motivation for
entering is to get an audience response (whether it’s screaming,
chanting or silence).

I’ll make substantial answers to Bruce’s questions later when I have
brain cells again.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1023 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/15/2005
Subject: “Why we costume”single-comment

I’d be surprised? No. That’s the answer I’d expect. If you think otherwise,
well…

And does anyone have an idea about when one stops being a newbie and becomes
an accepted or established member of the Community? Cause apparently 13 +
years is not enough.

Nora

—– Original Message —–
From: “Karen Dick” <castleb@pulsenet.com>
> Ask some of the “lifers” in this hobby why they are doing it, and the
> answer is not necessarily “in order to win.” You’d be surprised at the
> number of “because I *have* to” answers you might hear.

 

Group: runacc Message: 1024 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/15/2005
Subject: Re: “Why we costume”single-comment

you wrote:

>And does anyone have an idea about when one stops being a newbie and becomes
>an accepted or established member of the Community? Cause apparently 13 +
>years is not enough.
>
>Nora

Nora, Are you meaning that as you guys? While I can’t speak for others I
surely think you arean established old fart.

You’ve run a very successful CC. Karen and I pulled our bid that we had
wanted to put in for CC-25 because of the respect we have for you and the
Sluts, and to be blunt, if you weren’t worth listening to, you wouldn’t be
on this list.

I know that Castle Blood and Casa Mai, seem to disagree on things at least
as often as we agree, but we would certainley put you in the movers and
shakers category, not just accepted category, and not a newbie for at least
since CC16.

Ricky

>—– Original Message —–
>From: “Karen Dick” <castleb@pulsenet.com>
> > Ask some of the “lifers” in this hobby why they are doing it, and the
> > answer is not necessarily “in order to win.” You’d be surprised at the
> > number of “because I *have* to” answers you might hear.
>
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Group: runacc Message: 1025 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/15/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging — biased judges answering questions from con

Oh, I didn’t say it was crap. I didn’t think it was. But I was
disappointed with that person’s reasoning.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Ricky & Karen Dick” <castleb@pulsenet.com>

> Bruce, you wrote:
>>I approached one
> >of the judges, who was a well-established and respected costumer, and
asked
> >very specifcally and as non-confrontationally as I could, if there was
> >anything I could have done differently that might have affected their/the
> >panel’s decision. The answer was, no – they felt my entry really didn’t
> >belong in that masquerade.>
>
> Well that statement alone is pretty damn harsh. I like some or your work
> better than other things you’ve done, but I have a hard time believeing
> that you showed up wearing crap.

Oh, crap was not the issue. It was the subject matter itself.

> I mean we all fall on our faces once in a while, but this comment is
pretty
> out there.

Yeah. I was quite taken aback by it. But I just shrugged my shoulders and
filed it away as a lesson learned – albeit it a bizarro one.

> >So, the merits of my originality were never considered – it did not fit
the
> >”acceptable” norm. So much for the costumer being to affect change.
>
> First off, change comes slowly.
> and there are so many cases of major awards being given to things that
push
> the envelope, we all need to realize that at some point each of us has had
> a costume go bad for the greater good.

Well, I think my arguement is, the envelope isn’t necessarily being pushed
that hard. See my other comments in the other letter.

>
> I think of Holocaust, Beneath Alien Waves, The 2001 ballet, and the list
> goes on for originality if not awarded best in show, at the very least
> maling an impact in the hobby later if not right at the moment.

That raises a thought in my mind – when was the last time we had a truly
ground-breaking presentation like the ones you describe? I’m not
necessarily saying there haven’t been anyway, but nothing’s sure leaping to
mind.

Bruce

 

Group: runacc Message: 1026 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/15/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging – comments from R & K

—– Original Message —–
From: “Ricky & Karen Dick” <castleb@pulsenet.com>
>
> The D list is not the place to discuss political or technical issues, or
> anything that requires deep thought. The D list is about “Ooooh, pretty!”
> or “I need help with information about…” and the attention span there is
> very short. The D list is also open to virtually everyone, including
people
> who don’t belong to the ICG, don’t go to Costume-Con, and don’t give a
flip
> about judging or contests or whatever, so it’s just not the right forum.

Granted. My mistake. 🙂

>
> >How is a particular bias determined to be so detrimental that a judge
> >deserves to be “outed”, as you say?
>
> We didn’t say a judge should be outed on the basis of a bias. We said a
> judge should be outed on the basis of an agenda. Please re-read the
> definitions and the examples given in our previous email.

But are there biases that are >so< blatant that a judge might need to be
called on it? Is it only for agendas?

>
> Also, if a judge has a bias, it should be applied uniformly, not
> selectively, to the field being judged
> (e.g., if the bias is “I hate group costumes,” then ALL group costumes
must
> be equally dinged, not just groups A, D, and F but not B, C, and E).

Agreed.
>
> >Wouldn’t this have to be based on a pattern of choices by a particular
> >judge, or can that determination be made on one incident?
>
> If the judge says things during deliberation that makes it obvious there
is
> an agenda, it only takes ONE incident. (Again, I refer you to
ConStellation
> 1983.)

That’s a vendetta, not an agenda. Moving on….

> >So, if an MD chooses only someone who is “acceptable” or “safe”, how has
> >that really helped expand the judging pool? I would think a good MD
would
> >be willing to take a chance on a >somewhat< unknown quantity.
>
> Only if there is only one new or “unknown commodity” on a given judging
panel.

Only 1 new judge per panel? Then I wonder whether it should be strongly
encouraged that there should always be one new judge requred at each show,
otherwise the expansion of the judging pool will proceed at a snail’s pace.

>
> >Okay, let me ask a similar question. I’ve seen any number of costumers
at
> >regional and International level who have a particular style or work with
> >one particular media (say, armor, for instance) and are very good at what
> >they do. Because of that level of excellence, they consistantly get
> >rewarded. Human nautre being what it is, they pretty much stick to their
> >particular craft because they not only are comfortable with it, but they
> >consistantly get rewarded for it. Why should they change?
>
> Why should they have to change? Why should they be penalized for
developing
> and refining a distinctive style?

Shoudn’t they they have to? No, they should >want to? An artist should
stretch him/herself. I refer back to human nature, otherwise. An artist
takes risks and tries new things – an artisan may turn out new versions of
the thing they do best, but it’s still the same basic product.

>
> Costume designers for stage, movies, and TV, and real-world fashion
> designers are known for having signature styles, so why should fandom be
> any different?

Actually, I consider that their styies >do< change. They have to adapt to
whatever demands that their patron/employer demands. Otherwise, they won’t
continue to be able to demand the fees they ask.
>
>
> Costuming is not the Boy Scouts. Nobody gives out merit badges for doing
15
> different styles of costume. Some costumers do one thing well. Some
> costumers do a bunch of things well. Some costumers are “Jack of all
trades
> and master of none.” It is not the job of the judges or the costuming
> community to force its members to try a bunch of different styles if
that’s
> not their area of interest. Neither are they obligated to give “extra
> credit” points to the costumers who do.

I’ve never said that. The point is, if someone tries something new, they
ought to be acknowledged for it, even if it’s only an Honorable Mention (the
issue of HMs can be debated at another time).

In regards to whole Costumer M vs. Costumer S example: I’m not going to
requote all that. You disected my example far more than I intended for you
to – my bad. So let me see if I can clarify:

Both costumers bring to the stage something of equal value, workmanship,
etc. However, Costumer M does soemthing completely different – showing he
stretched his knowledge while costumer S produced another good example of
his usual work, is it wrong to give more weight to the person who took the
risk? Is it wrong for a judge to be more impressed by the person who did
something new?

> Now, conversely, if costumer “S” tries something different, and “scope of
> work attempted” and “quality of execution” are higher than those of
> costumer “M,” then, yes, costumer “S” should get the higher award.

…then it sounds like you may agree with me.

>
> There are trends over time as to what kind of costuming is popular. Thing
> are very different now than in the photographs of fannish costumes that I
> see from the 40’s-60’s, and from when I first started in the 70’s. The
> artform continues to develop, trends come and go, and the “lifers” in the
> hobby adapt, or evolve, or decide they’d rather plant a garden than go to
> Costume-Con that year. Many trends develop across years, or even decades.
> Change is gradual. The judges are there to analyze what is there at any
> given masquerade, but not to force change in any given direction.

I will admit that perhaps I and others in the the SLCG may be looking at
these trends with a perspective that is out of the norm. I am viewing what
has been happening with masquerades with the eye of an “amateur historian”.
We all have gotten together and watched just about any masq video we can get
our hands on. We analyze each presentation and ogle every photo from each
CC that we’ve attended plus that stuff on the CC website.

So maybe my point of view is skewed. But I believe (and I’m not just
speaking for us here in the Midwest, because we’ve had this discussion with
costumers from elsewhere), that stagnation has been setting in since about
the early 1990s.
>
> Until we have omniscient judges that know every costume from every
> convention from 1939 on, it is impossible to truly determine originality.
> What seems to be “original” at one convention may have been done at
another
> convention in another geographic area the same year…or at the very same
> convention 15 years ago.

I think that’s taking an extreme example, but I’m not going to argue about
it.
>
> >I agree, a judge should not base their decision on an individual
> >costumer’s past presentations, but are you saying that a judge should
have
> >no knowledge of masquerade history at all? Should they not use that
> >knowledge in their decision making? I can’t see how that’s possible.
>
> Ricky addressed the masquerade history question in terms of using that
> knowledge to know what overall comprises a good costume. However, the
> moment the judges start basing decisions on “I liked their costume in 1998
> better,” or “I liked the robots done at WorldCon in 1985 and DragonCon in
> 2001 better,” that judge is no longer judging the masquerade at hand, and
> that is wrong.

Please note: I did say “a judge should not base their decision on an
individual
costumer’s past presentations” (mispellings omitted). I said I thought a
judge should be aware of those trends.

>The judges should be judging what they are seeing on the
> stage that night.

Respectfully, I disagree. Referring to past discussion, if a judge hs
become bored by seeing the same kinds of costume presentations, then chances
are the audience (which at a CC is pretty darn knowledgeable and contain
many regulars) is probably going to be somewhat bored to. Polite applause,
but not wowed.

A relatively new, but knowledgable, judge can see that there is a sameness
to many an entry, then there’s no way they can judge what’s going on at that
masquerade that night, either.

> Motivation to make a costume is not always based purely on getting awards.
> Some costumers are motivated to make a certain costume because they want
to
> have and wear that certain costume, and if they make it for the
> competition, then they will have it from that point forward. Some
costumers
> are motivated to try a new technique because they want to learn a new
> technique. Some costumers are motivated because they want to be on the
> stage and perform and make the audience laugh, or go “ewww!” or whatever.
> Some costumers are motivated by some combination of these factors.
>
> Ask some of the “lifers” in this hobby why they are doing it, and the
> answer is not necessarily “in order to win.” You’d be surprised at the
> number of “because I *have* to” answers you might hear. People make
> costumes to escape into a different persona. People make costumes just to
> wear them in the halls and “freak the mundanes.” People make costumes when
> there is no immediate place to wear them or compete them. That’s part of
> what makes this hobby such a fascinating one.

Fine. If that costumer’s motivation is purely to get up on stage and
present their concept and “get it out of their head”. But then they can’t
turn around later and ask the judge why they were not acknowledged.

Bruce

 

Group: runacc Message: 1027 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/16/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging – judge biases

Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> How is a particular bias determined to be so detrimental that a judge
> deserves to be “outed”, as you say? Wouldn’t this have to be based on a
> pattern of choices by a particular judge, or can that determination be made
> on one incident? Who would you say gets to make this call? And if a well
> known judge has a well-known bias, then, should that judge even be asked to
> serve? (More on this later)

Most judges I know and have worked with know and acknowledge their
biases. Bruce and Dana MacDermott, for example (Dana, particularly)
readily admit that their tastes and interests run towards strongly
SF-themed costumes. Bruce does some historical, but Dana doesn’t.

That’s the kind of bias that I think is reasonable and can even be
valuable if it’s in tune with the goals of the competition.

It’s also out in the open. The judges themselves can deal with it,
whether internally or during deliberation.

> It would seem that if there’s a judging problem, then based on what you’ve
> said above, does this mean there needs to be guidelines for the MDs? That
> would open a whole can of worms. Should MDs who make consistantly bad
> choices for judges then be dunned? And then who administers the dunning?
> Sound like a job for…..SMOC!!!(?)

There are some guidelines for MDs in the form of the ICG guidelines.
Yeah, they don’t cover everything.

> So, if an MD chooses only someone who is “acceptable” or “safe”, how has
> that really helped expand the judging pool? I would think a good MD would
> be willing to take a chance on a >somewhat< unknown quantity.

Ultimately, judges learn by doing the job with other more experienced
judges.

It’s a risk picking somebody new, but if you use good judgement and
match them with experienced judges you trust that risk can be minimized.

I think the risk is worth it.

> Okay, let me ask a similar question. I’ve seen any number of costumers at
> regional and International level who have a particular style or work with
> one particular media (say, armor, for instance) and are very good at what
> they do. Because of that level of excellence, they consistantly get
> rewarded. Human nautre being what it is, they pretty much stick to their
> particular craft because they not only are comfortable with it, but they
> consistantly get rewarded for it. Why should they change? Now, let’s say
> Costumer “S” decides to do something completely different in style or media,
> does it well, but the major award still goes to another costumer who has not
> changed – Costumer “M”. What message does this send to Costume “S”? Change
> is not rewarded. Why should he experiment again?

This kind of comes back to “are we (entrants) in it for the awards?”

If the answer is yes, then you’ll stick with the tried-and-true.

If the answer is somewhat, then you’ll experiment.

Look at Jacqui Ward. She’s made a name for herself because of her superb
applique and quilting techniques, but her designs vary greatly. She’s
choosing to explore and experiment in one direction while making the
most of a pallette of techniques and methods that she’s excellent at.
You can do both at the same time.

> I’m not saying reward something only because it’s different – it should
> still be good. But, deep down, whether we admit it or not, we all want to
> be acknowledged for our efforts, no matter how much we protest that we’re
> “creating for ourselves”. And if someone sees that the same kinds of
> costuming are rewarded and orginality is not, they’re going to follow the
> model of what succeeds.

I love getting ribbons and certificates, but when that neurotic desire
to compete comes on I’m in it for the audience reaction.

> I agree, a judge should not base their decision on an individual costumer’s
> past presentations, but are you saying that a judge should have no knowledge
> of masquerade history at all? Should they not use that knowledge in their
> decision making? I can’t see how that’s possible.

I think you’re mostly right here. Most judging (Best in ? awards
excluded) are judged against an ambiguous and very personal standard
where the judge says “Does this show great merit, and is it up to the
standards I’m looking for in the division?” Every judge has some ideals,
some fabulous entries of the past, that inform their judgement on what
to look for.

> So if I understand correctly, it’s up to the costumers to foment change.
> But there doesn’t appear to be much motivation to do so. If the judges
> don’t have the responsibiltity, then it would seem to be the MDs.
> Masquerade Directors are just as fallible as anyone else. Who would they
> look to?

You’re discounting the greatest motivation of all: having folks come up
to you in the hall or the green room and say “Oh my god! You bastard! I
would have never thought of trying that! I wanted to do that
character/painting/costume for years! I loved that novel/series/movie!”
or best of all “I made something like that 20 years ago… didn’t look
that good, though…”

The BiS for “Trumps of Amber” was great, but what really made the
weekend for me was “Wait. Those are SPOONS!”

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1028 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/16/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging – comments from R & K

Bruce wrote:

>But are there biases that are >so< blatant that a judge might need to be
>called on it? Is it only for agendas?

Good question.
I can probably fill a list with all the styles and genres that I know of
and come up with a costumer/judge out there that would say they aren’t into
that style.

but most of them can seperate things out in their head and still look at
the quality of work involved so they can fairly judge it.
There are costumes I’ve seen and judged where I had to really put myself
into that persons logic to see what they were trying to do, because it just
didn’t strike me on it’s own.
I look at the work involved, I try hard to see what they were attempting
and see if I think they achieved it.
I try to look at what they are trying to show me, not some preconceived
notion of what I’d like to see. whether it’s that one costume or the whole
masquerade.

> > an agenda, it only takes ONE incident. (Again, I refer you to
>ConStellation
> > 1983.)
>
>That’s a vendetta, not an agenda. Moving on….

and they still are out there. we must all be vigilant

>Only 1 new judge per panel? Then I wonder whether it should be strongly
>encouraged that there should always be one new judge requred at each show,
>otherwise the expansion of the judging pool will proceed at a snail’s pace.

credentials at regionals should also be used to evaluate judges
experience, so with all the regionals and cc and wc, if only half have a
new judge, in a few years we’ll have dozens of new folks to choose from.

>Shoudn’t they they have to? No, they should >want to? An artist should
>stretch him/herself. I refer back to human nature, otherwise. An artist
>takes risks and tries new things – an artisan may turn out new versions of
>the thing they do best, but it’s still the same basic product.

This is YOUR definition of what an artist is. and it’s correct FOR YOU. You
cannot however impose that definition on anyone else. You cannot judge art
by what you’d LIKE to see. Or what you Hope to see.
Yes you can well be disappointed by the end result, that is certainley your
priviledge, and is understandable, but that can’t get in the way of seeing
the quality of the work being shown to you.

Again, look at what they are giving you, not what you wish they would give you.
(this is just for judging, and has nothing to do with what we all as folks
in the audience see or think)

>Actually, I consider that their styies >do< change. They have to adapt to
>whatever demands that their patron/employer demands. Otherwise, they won’t
>continue to be able to demand the fees they ask.

I find just the opposite to be true ( imagine that LOL) If I commission a
painting by Olivia I am expecting it to look like an Olivia painting when
it is delivered. Not a Don Maitz painting.

If I pay for a Mackie, it better not look like a Mizrahi

>I’ve never said that. The point is, if someone tries something new, they
>ought to be acknowledged for it, even if it’s only an Honorable Mention (the
>issue of HMs can be debated at another time).

Maybe and probably, , just not if it sucks loud and hard, and it’s only
saving grace is that no ones done it before. It’s just not a black and
white area.

>Both costumers bring to the stage something of equal value, workmanship,
>etc. However, Costumer M does soemthing completely different – showing he
>stretched his knowledge while costumer S produced another good example of
>his usual work, is it wrong to give more weight to the person who took the
>risk? Is it wrong for a judge to be more impressed by the person who did
>something new?

No, you are right, it is NOT wrong for them to be impressed and award it,
but you seem to be asking for absolutes here, that it will ALWAYS be
rewarded higher just for being different, and I don’t think thats possible,
or correct

It’s never wrong for a judge to be impressed with ANYTHING for ANY reason,
but to try to say that a judge MUST be impressed with pure originality and
reward it, well, that’s the part that’s wrong.

>So maybe my point of view is skewed. But I believe (and I’m not just
>speaking for us here in the Midwest, because we’ve had this discussion with
>costumers from elsewhere), that stagnation has been setting in since about
>the early 1990s.

And that may well be a valid opinion, but we’re back to setting agendas
again here if you want to engineer the natural trends and flow of an
artform at best, or even a hobby at the very least.
That’s an unnatural progression. The masquerade must grow and flow as it
will over time.

>I think that’s taking an extreme example, but I’m not going to argue about
>it.

It’s not really extreme, and it just happened. Do we start naming names and
posting pics?
or do we keep all this chat as theoretical and never spell out the costumes
we all assume we’re talking about?

>Please note: I did say “a judge should not base their decision on an
>individual
>costumer’s past presentations” (mispellings omitted). I said I thought a
>judge should be aware of those trends.

As part of a well educated judging base, it would be hard not to.

> >The judges should be judging what they are seeing on the
> > stage that night.
>
>Respectfully, I disagree. Referring to past discussion, if a judge hs
>become bored by seeing the same kinds of costume presentations, then chances
>are the audience (which at a CC is pretty darn knowledgeable and contain
>many regulars) is probably going to be somewhat bored to. Polite applause,
>but not wowed.

So are you willing to write up a statement to the contestants when you
judge that you will be looking for new and original things above all else,
and that they will infact be judged against history and not just the folks
in the green room that night?

Because now we’re back to having contestants decide to enter or not based
on the judges, and it would only seem fair that they have plenty of time to
decide what they would build let alone whether they will present it or not.
Seems like that should be listed early on, along with the stage size and
all. ( not that stage size being whats actually in the pr and at the con
matching seems important lately, but that’s another discussion)

If a judge is bored, they should not judge.

>A relatively new, but knowledgable, judge can see that there is a sameness
>to many an entry, then there’s no way they can judge what’s going on at that
>masquerade that night, either.

ya mean like lots of chicks in big dresses at the historical LOL!

>Fine. If that costumer’s motivation is purely to get up on stage and
>present their concept and “get it out of their head”. But then they can’t
>turn around later and ask the judge why they were not acknowledged.

Agreed.

Bruce, sometimes I wonder why you and I do this once a year. Do we really
change/fix anything?
Or do we both just love the debate so much we can’t resist, no matter what
the topic.
Whether I agree with you or not, I find it both challenging and
stimulating. I get the feeling that if we were both into cars we’d be on
that list debating over ford or chevy, just for the debate itself.

Ricky

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Group: runacc Message: 1029 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/16/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging — biased judges answering questions from cont

>Bruce wrote,
>
>Well, I think my arguement is, the envelope isn’t necessarily being pushed
>that hard. See my other comments in the other letter.

I won’t disagree or agree 100% but I can understand what you mean, I just
don’t think we can legislate it in that it needs to be pushed at all, a
lot, a little, whatever. each person does what they feel compelled to do.
and trying to push it one way or another is in conflict with the prime
directive
(not that that ever stopped anyone on TV)

>That raises a thought in my mind – when was the last time we had a truly
>ground-breaking presentation like the ones you describe? I’m not
>necessarily saying there haven’t been anyway, but nothing’s sure leaping to
>mind.

seemingly only in humour. I will admit honestly that the serious
presentations haven’t changed that much in the years we missed till when we
got active again.

but
A- it’s about the costume in the long run ,not presentation and
2- is it possible that whithin the laws and rules governing what we can and
can’t do legally, safely and within time constraints there’s not much more
we can do?

I have skills and techniques that I would kill to use in a masquerade, but
as they are set up now, there’s no way they will be used. And I’m not sure
they would actually enhance the costume, they would merely ‘be different’
and entertain the audience

Ricky

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Group: runacc Message: 1030 From: Kevin Roche Date: 5/16/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging — biased judges answering questions from co

>
> I have skills and techniques that I would kill to use in a masquerade, but
> as they are set up now, there’s no way they will be used. And I’m not sure
> they would actually enhance the costume, they would merely ‘be different’
> and entertain the audience
>
> Ricky
>

This was why, after discussion with Darla, “Le Jazz Hot” was staged as
part of the halftime entertainment rather than entered in the
masquerade. There was no way to really do that dress justice without the
performance, and the performance was well outside the boundaries of the
masquerade rules.

For me, doing the production properly for the audience was more
important than entering the contest, so I opted to be entertainment
rather than an entry.

Kevin

 

Group: runacc Message: 1031 From: Trudy Leonard Date: 5/16/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging – comments from R & K

I’m enjoying the discussion, but I think the basic question most of us have
is how to get some kind of feedback. It’s hardly polite to walk up to a
judge and say “why didn’t I receive an award”, but one is really tempted to
want to ask “what could I have done to improve or make this more
interesting”. Not everyone is going to approach it from that direction
though, and when there is a large masquerade, it would be very onerous for
the judges to have to comment to everyone who participate.

I guess, being in theater, I look on it as “notes” on improving a
performance. Pierre was kind enough once, several years after the fact, to
make a comment on a Worldcon costume that I had done which helped me see
something that I was doing that wasn’t working in a large venue. I really
appreciated it because I had decided to give up costuming outside the
theater. After our discussion, I changed my focus and am totally hooked
again.

I’m sure there are some biases in judging, and the year you pick to do the
Snow Queen may be the year that two out of three judges are going “if I ever
see another Snow Queen costume, I’m going to barf”. In which case, some
kind person should say “that was a lovely costume, but it’s something that
has been done a lot, so it would have to be amazingly incredible to win”, I
suppose. As they say, there’s no accounting for taste, but usually you can
look at a person’s body of work and see what their interests are. You could
then pick judges with a variety of outlooks and expertise, even if they
hadn’t judged before. Of course, this only applies if you get to select your
own judges and can pick other costumers. Of course, some authors, if they
tend to spend lots of words of loving description of what their characters
are wearing, would be good choices!

Anyway, it’s late and I’m babbling on, so “Goodnight” –

Trudy

>

 

Group: runacc Message: 1032 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/16/2005
Subject: judges comments

Nora here:
While not polite I know it’s done regularly. Your version is more inline
with the type of information a judges should be willing to give.
I also feel that judges shouldn’t neccessarily comment unless they’re asked;
there are times when a costumer doesn’t want a critique and immediately
after a masquerade with adrenaline still coursing through their system may
be one of them. Typically an unsolicited opinion is un-wanted. So that would
save judges a lot of time.
I’ve had a judge tell me (without being asked) that certain elements didn’t
jive with what I was trying to convey and therefore he had to lower my score
because I didn’t achieve what I set out to do. Since the judge never asked
what my intention was (and I hadn’t submitted any sort of story, it was an
area masq that doesn’t encourage that sort of thing) I was stunned, appalled
& even a little offended that he made such a random appraisal. And he was
completely wrong about my intentions.
So he didn’t “get” or see what I was trying to do – it happens, I can live
with that and I certainly understood that since I’d received no award for my
efforts (which isn’t why I costume anyway). but I never asked for his
rational, so I think he shouldn’t have insisted on sharing his insight.
A friend’s helpful hints about what they think may have gone wrong (if
they’re aware of what the intended result is) is another thing entirely, and
can be very helpful in developing something.

Nora

—– Original Message —–
From: “Trudy Leonard” <georgialei@hotmail.com>
> I’m enjoying the discussion, but I think the basic question most of us
have
> is how to get some kind of feedback. It’s hardly polite to walk up to a
> judge and say “why didn’t I receive an award”, but one is really tempted
to
> want to ask “what could I have done to improve or make this more
> interesting”. Not everyone is going to approach it from that direction
> though, and when there is a large masquerade, it would be very onerous for
> the judges to have to comment to everyone who participate.
>
> I guess, being in theater, I look on it as “notes” on improving a
> performance. Pierre was kind enough once, several years after the fact, to
> make a comment on a Worldcon costume that I had done which helped me see
> something that I was doing that wasn’t working in a large venue. I really
> appreciated it because I had decided to give up costuming outside the
> theater. After our discussion, I changed my focus and am totally hooked
> again.

 

Group: runacc Message: 1033 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 5/16/2005
Subject: Judging and masquerades
Hi, all!

As one of the CC23 SF/F judges, I’ve sat this conversation out, but I am
reading all the comments very carefully. (Just for information, since
there may come a time where I’m put in a position where I’ll be
responsible for dealing with the situations outlined. It could happen. I
suppose…someday…..)

I do have a general comment, though. A lot of questions can be answered
for contestants by providing a post-masquerade wrap panel the following
day. Waiting till the next day gives both the contestants and judges, as
well as the rest of the masquerade crew, a chance to recover. Sometimes
that won’t help (see Nolacon), but I do feel strongly that there’s a lot
to be gained by having these discussions at the con, while the event is
still fresh.

And I am noticing that both the masquerade critique (or whatever you
choose to call it) and the con critique panels have generally fallen by
the wayside. These panels aren’t necessarily intended as bitch sessions,
but can be very educational for the people who will be participating in
future events.

I advocate a return to including such panels after the main events and
at the conclusion of the con. IMHO (personally speaking), people in
charge of programming should be remembering to include them in the
blocks of programming by default.

I don’t want to get into details about the events we just witnessed. I
was (and am) willing to discuss with any entry that entry’s performance
and the reasoning behind what was awarded, but I do want to say in
general that I was not 100% happy with how things were awarded.

In a panel of three, there are times when compromises have to be made,
and when it comes down to a vote (which is how we did it because there
were no guidelines provided for rating and ranking), in some cases the
votes were two to one. No details will be provided on which cases these
were – that would be patently unfair to the contestants who are not part
of this conversation.

So far, this discussion has been polite and a lot of good information
has been exchanged. Please continue!

Betsy

 

Group: runacc Message: 1034 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/16/2005
Subject: Re: Judging and masquerades

Betsy, you wrote:

>Hi, all!
>
>
>
>And I am noticing that both the masquerade critique (or whatever you
>choose to call it) and the con critique panels have generally fallen by
>the wayside. These panels aren’t necessarily intended as bitch sessions,
>but can be very educational for the people who will be participating in
>future events.

LunaCon still does it, and this year watching the Pettingers and my Karen
handle some pretty sticky topics, and do so with a smile and a happy
outcome, surely has colored my views on how much of a positive this can
work out to.

The stickiest one was when a general fan was really upset that a costume
she thought was good didn’t place . Not a friend, not nothing, but this
person really didn’t let up for a while. But the judges didn’t crack. They
spoke of positive things throughout, and were happy to have private
conversations with any costumer that had questions.

> but I do want to say in
>general that I was not 100% happy with how things were awarded.
>
>In a panel of three, there are times when compromises have to be made,

And that’s okay. If we want a balanced panel with judges who DO have a clue
about all phases of the hobby, then as a judge I would think it rare that
all three could be 100% happy.

you give and take on some things and dig your feet in when you can.

I had a rare experience with the single pattern contest this year.
We ( Andrea Shewe and myself) were told we could give three awards

we sat seperatley in the theater, and did not previously discuss what we
should look for. and when we went to compare notes we had the exact same
three costumes on our list. Nice, Odd, Rare.

Ricky

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Group: runacc Message: 1035 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/16/2005
Subject: Re: “Why we costume”single-comment

In a message dated 5/15/2005 7:52:33 PM Central Daylight Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> And does anyone have an idea about when one stops being a newbie and
> becomes
> an accepted or established member of the Community? Cause apparently 13 +
> years is not enough.

I still feel new to the scene, myself, Nora. Even though I do feel accepted
in the crowd.

I do agree with Andy as to “Why I costume,” partly. I do love the audience
reaction, but I also just have ideas that I want to see acted out.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1036 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/16/2005
Subject: Re: Judging and masquerades
Hello!

I have been reading all this discussion with interest. Partly as someone who
runs masquerades, partly as someone bidding on another CC, and as the guy
whose was the SF&F MD at CC23. I have a number of comments, which I will now
offer, in no particular order.

Re: Feedback from Judges: I love this idea! I received a hint from Sheila
Lenkman, the MD at Archon in St. Louis, that the MD should try to help the
entrant improve their entry during rehearsals. I also believe that hearing from the
judges good and bad is beneficial. The day after is a great time to do this.

Re: My selection of judges: After convincing Dave Doering that I wanted to
run the SF&F, I sought judges that people usually did not think of as judges. I
also followed Andy’s lead from CC21 to find judges from different parts of the
world. I ended up a bit thin in the West Coast choices, but I stand by my
choices. I’m sorry that it was so not fun for you, Betsy, that you don’t want to
judge again. I think that your point of view is great. Don’t say never again.
I did tell them in e-mail the “Brian of Nazareth” advice, in a sense. I asked
them not to be swayed by an entry from “Bob Mackie” or “Edith Head” and to
judge them each on their own. I did try to get Caitlin Dick and one of the
McDermott’s, but found out that Caitlin was entering and the McDermott’s were
already working the con.

Re: Guidance from the ConChair to the MD: Not a bad idea, but I also believe
in picking staff that know what they are doing. I tried to do that with 21,
but ended up making sure “the children put their pants on.”

Re: Any criticism of the job I did at CC23: Bring it on. I have learned long
ago that negative criticism, can be hurtful, but if you can get past that and
listen, you learn. Last year at CC22, I had a conversation about CC21 with my
programming person, and I agreed with what she had to say about what I did.

Re: Judges with biases: That’s no good. I do remember receiving a question
from a judge about judging their own child. I suggested openly stating during
the judging process that the entrant was their child and they could not judge
them fairly. I also told them that if the judging came to a tie involving that
entry, either myself or my wonderful (and I can’t say that enough!) #2, Dora
Buck would get involved.

Re: Judges Vendettas: Very bad! That is not why to judge! If, during judging,
a bias or vendetta became evident, my judge’s clerks would have let me know,
even though I forgot to say anything about that.

That’s all I can think of right now.

Henry
PS And for your reminder:
CC16: First CC attended
CC19: Second attended
CC21: Ran it
CC22: Worked back stage
CC23: SF&F MD
CC24: Site Selection Commissioner
CC25: FFS Director
CC26: Currently Unassigned Trouble Shooter

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Group: runacc Message: 1037 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/16/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging – comments from R & K

Comments inserted.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Ricky & Karen Dick” <castleb@pulsenet.com>
> and they still are out there. we must all be vigilant

Wait — I think I hear the sound of helicopter blades. Ah, there they are –
and they’re black!

Seriously, though, I’ve not heard of anything that egregious in a long
time. Sure pettiness abounds, but I think with today’s communications, that
is probably mostly kept in check….

> credentials at regionals should also be used to evaluate judges
> experience, so with all the regionals and cc and wc, if only half have a
> new judge, in a few years we’ll have dozens of new folks to choose from.

Okay, I can buy that.

> I find just the opposite to be true ( imagine that LOL) If I commission a
> painting by Olivia I am expecting it to look like an Olivia painting when
> it is delivered. Not a Don Maitz painting.
>
> If I pay for a Mackie, it better not look like a Mizrahi

Ah, but there, you’re buying a particular expected style on a particular
medium they use all the time. You’re not necessariy saying, “Paint me
something different than what you normally do”. The proper scenario would
be, “Mr. Canvas Painter, I need you to do a mural on my vintage “74 panel
van”. NOW we’re havin’ some fun when they have to learn new techniques.

> >I’ve never said that. The point is, if someone tries something new,
theyought to be acknowledged for it, even if it’s only an Honorable Mention
(the issue of HMs can be debated at another time).
>
> Maybe and probably, , just not if it sucks loud and hard, and it’s only
> saving grace is that no ones done it before. It’s just not a black and
> white area.

Well, DUH. 🙂 C’mon, I never advocated that. They have to have shown
effort and some modicum of panache.

>
> No, you are right, it is NOT wrong for them to be impressed and award it,
> but you seem to be asking for absolutes here, that it will ALWAYS be
> rewarded higher just for being different, and I don’t think thats
possible,
> or correct

> It’s never wrong for a judge to be impressed with ANYTHING for ANY reason,
> but to try to say that a judge MUST be impressed with pure originality and
> reward it, well, that’s the part that’s wrong.

And I think that’s where we’ve been talking at cross purposes. The
issue is not about absolutes- of course this is a subjective issue. But the
perception is, and I’m not just speaking for all our Guild members (not just
“some people”), is that excellent but same is often given preference over
excellence and different.

> >stagnation has been setting in since
about the early 1990s.
>
> And that may well be a valid opinion, but we’re back to setting agendas
> again here if you want to engineer the natural trends and flow of an
> artform at best, or even a hobby at the very least.
> That’s an unnatural progression. The masquerade must grow and flow as it
> will over time.

Respectfully, again, I disagree. I am not advocating engineering – what I’m
advocating is for new perspectives within judging, which seem to be lacking
at times among some experienced judges called to serve.

> >I think that’s taking an extreme example, but I’m not going to argue
about it.
>
> It’s not really extreme, and it just happened. Do we start naming namesand
posting pics?
> or do we keep all this chat as theoretical and never spell out the
costumes
> we all assume we’re talking about?

Only if you deem it necessary. And of course once names are named they
can’t be taken back. I think we’re still talking about a philosophy here.

> So are you willing to write up a statement to the contestants when you
> judge that you will be looking for new and original things above all else,
> and that they will infact be judged against history and not just the folks
> in the green room that night?
>
> Because now we’re back to having contestants decide to enter or not based
> on the judges, and it would only seem fair that they have plenty of time
to decide what they would build let alone whether they will present it or
not. Seems like that should be listed early on, along with the stage size
and
> all. ( not that stage size being whats actually in the pr and at the con
> matching seems important lately, but that’s another discussion)

No, and I’ve never said people should be judged ONLY for originality. If
you can show me a quote where I said that, I’ll address it. What I meant
was, originality should be a FACTOR.

> Bruce, sometimes I wonder why you and I do this once a year. Do we really
> change/fix anything?
> Or do we both just love the debate so much we can’t resist, no matter what
> the topic.

I wish it changed things, that’s the point isn’t it? Yes, we love the debate
but hope that there will finally be positive results from “an open exchange
of ideas”.

> Whether I agree with you or not, I find it both challenging and
> stimulating. I get the feeling that if we were both into cars we’d be on
> that list debating over ford or chevy, just for the debate itself.

Toyota, actually.
PCs, 98SE & briefs. We’ve got those 4 topics cleared away anyway.

Bruce

 

Group: runacc Message: 1038 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/16/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging – comments from R & K

>Bruce wrote
>
>Ah, but there, you’re buying a particular expected style on a particular
>medium they use all the time. You’re not necessariy saying, “Paint me
>something different than what you normally do”. The proper scenario would
>be, “Mr. Canvas Painter, I need you to do a mural on my vintage “74 panel
>van”. NOW we’re havin’ some fun when they have to learn new techniques.

But if that works for you, and you think it ‘s fun, great. Stop trying to
impose it on everyone else.

>And I think that’s where we’ve been talking at cross purposes. The
>issue is not about absolutes- of course this is a subjective issue. But the
>perception is, and I’m not just speaking for all our Guild members (not just
>”some people”), is that excellent but same is often given preference over
>excellence and different.

cool, then it’s just perception.
Then how about some ideas to change people’s perception rather than trying
to get the artists to change what they find interesting and enjoyable to do.

>Respectfully, again, I disagree. I am not advocating engineering – what I’m
>advocating is for new perspectives within judging, which seem to be lacking
>at times among some experienced judges called to serve.

Got it, you don’t want to engineer the costumers, you just want to engineer
the judges so things like what you do will have a better chance?

>Only if you deem it necessary. And of course once names are named they
>can’t be taken back. I think we’re still talking about a philosophy here.
>
>
>No, and I’ve never said people should be judged ONLY for originality. If
>you can show me a quote where I said that, I’ll address it. What I meant
>was, originality should be a FACTOR.

Got it.
Will you say that it is just one of MANY factors judges should be considering?
or do you think it deserves more weight than other factors?

Cause I’m totally fine with the basic common knowledge that you and Nora
like to do experimental things and like to see experimental things as your
bias on that list I spoke of ( not that it actually exists) ( yet)
I don’t think you should both be on the same judging panel, but other than
that, I’d have no problem with you as a judge as part of a balanced panel
being supervised by an MD, just like any other long standing well respected
member of our communittee

> > Whether I agree with you or not, I find it both challenging and
> > stimulating. I get the feeling that if we were both into cars we’d be on
> > that list debating over ford or chevy, just for the debate itself.
>
>Toyota, actually.
>PCs, 98SE & briefs. We’ve got those 4 topics cleared away anyway.

Yeah that figures !! ( only kidding)

Well, look at it this way, the posts between us keep getting shorter as we
find ways to make the language work so we don’t need to go back and forth
on every single thing.

I do feel originality is important. but it’s just one more thing on my
mental check list I go thru when I’m looking at a costume.

Ricky

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Group: runacc Message: 1039 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/16/2005
Subject: Re: Judging and masquerades

Henry, you wrote:

>Re: My selection of judges: After convincing Dave Doering that I wanted to
>run the SF&F, I sought judges that people usually did not think of as
>judges. I
>also followed Andy’s lead from CC21 to find judges from different parts of
>the
>world. I ended up a bit thin in the West Coast choices, but I stand by my
>choices. I’m sorry that it was so not fun for you, Betsy, that you don’t
>want to
>judge again. I think that your point of view is great. Don’t say never again.
>I did tell them in e-mail the “Brian of Nazareth” advice, in a sense. I asked
>them not to be swayed by an entry from “Bob Mackie” or “Edith Head” and to
>judge them each on their own. I did try to get Caitlin Dick and one of the
>McDermott’s, but found out that Caitlin was entering and the McDermott’s were
>already working the con.

Caitlin was an interesting choice I guess just from a fresh view, but she
does not yet have all the sewing skills and experience to recognize
problems of construction, design, etc..
I did actually forward your request to her last year and she said she
didn’t know enough about enough different things to be sure everyone got a
fair deal from her. yet

The MacDermott’s fair and honest people, they’ve awarded me high, they’ve
awarded me low.
Open and honest in their reasons.
But it would have been three years in a row for them, and I’m with Bruce on
this one, we need to mix it up if possible

>Re: Any criticism of the job I did at CC23: Bring it on. I have learned long
>ago that negative criticism, can be hurtful, but if you can get past that and
>listen, you learn. Last year at CC22, I had a conversation about CC21 with my
>programming person, and I agreed with what she had to say about what I did.

well, my only first hand problem was that for the second time you were in
charge of the stage at a CC, you had right up until the day of the
masquerade, no real handle on what it would actually be.
The info in the prs was just wrong, for years.

To your credit, and it’s a big credit, when I found you in the lobby and
I’m sure I was breathing fire, you delegated me to people who could fix it.

otherwise I heard second hand grumbling from folks most of whom not on this
list, so it’s not right to be specific. But from what I’ve seen and heard
from CC21 and 23, you have a great knack for choosing your lieutenants and
they have made up for a sometimes lack of organization.

Like, you should have known what the deal was on the ribbons.
I realize it may have been out of your hands as to how many were ordered or
whatever, but you should have had a handle on it before it became an issue.

right now I would have trouble voting for you as a con chair until the next
time you run something smaller and we see how it goes. which of course you
will get the chance to do before the CC-28 voting is over I believe,
looking at your list below

This is all just because you asked. We like you as a person, we have won
major awards at masq’s you’ve been a part of, and we have had great times
in general at the cons you’ve worked on. If we’re all trying to learn, then
the above comments are about what still needs work

Ricky

>Henry
>PS And for your reminder:
>CC16: First CC attended
>CC19: Second attended
>CC21: Ran it
>CC22: Worked back stage
>CC23: SF&F MD
>CC24: Site Selection Commissioner
>CC25: FFS Director
>CC26: Currently Unassigned Trouble Shooter
>

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Group: runacc Message: 1040 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/16/2005
Subject: Nora objects

Nora speaking:

Common knowledge, huh? You and Nora, eh?
Is it also “common knowledge” that ‘we’, as a couple, costume together less
than the average couple in our community? And what else might be “common
knowledge” about either of us (and we are not a single unit, BTW) or others
on this list?

Ricky, I like you and respect your costuming & opinions. Please allow me
some of the same respect by not assuming that everything you “know” about
Bruce applies to me.

Thank you.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Ricky & Karen Dick” <castleb@pulsenet.com>
> Cause I’m totally fine with the basic common knowledge that you and Nora
> like to do experimental things and like to see experimental things as your
> bias on that list I spoke of ( not that it actually exists) ( yet)
> I don’t think you should both be on the same judging panel, but other than
> that, I’d have no problem with you as a judge as part of a balanced panel
> being supervised by an MD, just like any other long standing well
respected
> member of our communittee

 

Group: runacc Message: 1041 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/16/2005
Subject: Re: Nora objects

Nora, you’ve stated this many times.

Just because you don’t always costume WITH Bruce, doesn’t mean you also
don’t strive to do out of the ordinary things.Like he does

I didn’t say as a couple or anything else. I could have been just as easily
saying that Daren and Lance both like furries.

SO I’m sorry if it’s so horrible to be lumped in with your husband, but
separate, together, with other folks, whatever, you both seem to really
like doing something different.
and I’m also sorry if it seems you’re lumped together in that you have both
written about doing
‘ different’ things and both of you have been less than thrilled with the
judging results.

so even though they were separate entries, maybe years apart for all we
know, we’re still getting the same message from your household.You didn’t
feel your work was properly rewarded when you tried something out of the
ordinary.

So sorry of I offended.

Ricky

At 07:28 PM 5/16/2005 -0500, you wrote:

>Nora speaking:
>
>Common knowledge, huh? You and Nora, eh?
>Is it also “common knowledge” that ‘we’, as a couple, costume together less
>than the average couple in our community? And what else might be “common
>knowledge” about either of us (and we are not a single unit, BTW) or others
>on this list?
>
>Ricky, I like you and respect your costuming & opinions. Please allow me
>some of the same respect by not assuming that everything you “know” about
>Bruce applies to me.
>
>Thank you.
>
>—– Original Message —–
>From: “Ricky & Karen Dick” <castleb@pulsenet.com>
> > Cause I’m totally fine with the basic common knowledge that you and Nora
> > like to do experimental things and like to see experimental things as your
> > bias on that list I spoke of ( not that it actually exists) ( yet)
> > I don’t think you should both be on the same judging panel, but other than
> > that, I’d have no problem with you as a judge as part of a balanced panel
> > being supervised by an MD, just like any other long standing well
>respected
> > member of our communittee
>
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Group: runacc Message: 1042 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/16/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging – comments from R & K

—– Original Message —–
From: “Ricky & Karen Dick” <castleb@pulsenet.com>

> But if that works for you, and you think it ‘s fun, great. Stop trying to
> impose it on everyone else.

You didn’t address my example. Fine. You don’t want to cede my point. I
respect that. But I am NOT — repeat – NOT trying to impose my opinion on
other people. I’m really getting tired of saying that.

> cool, then it’s just perception.

> Then how about some ideas to change people’s perception rather than trying
> to get the artists to change what they find interesting and enjoyable to
do.

Ah. Now we’re getting somewhere. Sounds like a panel, or at least a good
roundtable discussion.

That said, though, if the the artists are starting to bore the audience
(it’s not just all about the costumer – you know that), then maybe they need
to be aware of it.

> you don’t want to engineer the costumers, you just want to engineer
> the judges so things like what you do will have a better chance?

NO. And since e-mail can never communicate tone of voice and body language,
I’m going to hope that that remark was not meant as an insult. I like to
think what we do is original, yes – but we still have to be judged on the
costume part. We’ve never lost sight of that. If that was your impression,
well, you’re wrong.

I will never be half (okay, well, maybe 3/4) you guys are. I know my
limitations. Nor will I ever be as successful as you guys are (experience
has to count for something). But that’s okay. I don’t have the time or the
amount of creative drive you guys do. That’s why you can have a business
that incorporates your costuming skills.

> Will you say that it is just one of MANY factors judges should be
considering?
> or do you think it deserves more weight than other factors?

Yes! I want it to be >A< factor equal to others, but not the overriding
one.
>
> Cause I’m totally fine with the basic common knowledge that you and Nora
> like to do experimental things and like to see experimental things as your
> bias on that list I spoke of ( not that it actually exists) ( yet)
> I don’t think you should both be on the same judging panel, but other than
> that, I’d have no problem with you as a judge as part of a balanced panel
> being supervised by an MD, just like any other long standing well
respected
> member of our communittee

Whoa. Let’s back up the bus. “Experimental” is not the
point. Originality is. Mostly not doing the same thing twice is our
signature. As Nora said (and you acknowledged), we mostly pursue our own
individual concepts (Nora’s probably paired up with Karen H more than with
me), and have completely different styles from each other. You, yourself,
said roughly the same thing at CC22 — something about two “talented
costumers with two distinctive styles under one roof”, is what I believe you
stated. By which I felt highly honored that you thought so. I wish Nora
had been around to hear that too, but I passed on the compliment later.

> Well, look at it this way, the posts between us keep getting shorter as we
> find ways to make the language work so we don’t need to go back and forth
> on every single thing.
>
> I do feel originality is important. but it’s just one more thing on my
> mental check list I go thru when I’m looking at a costume.

That’s as close to what we’ve been trying to get across as I can expect.

More than once, we’ve tried to get those we respect to listen to what is
being said in parts of our community. But the impression we get is “This is
the way we’ve always done it” and we should just stop stirring up trouble.

I’ve pretty much said all I’m going to, at this point. I’ve made some
suggestions about how to address these perceptions. I hope that they will
be considered by people who could work the ideas into panel programming for
judges.

Oh, and by the way, I did think of a relatively recent presentation that
shows new stuff can be done. The costumes and staging for “Saturday Night
at 8:00″(?). Brilliant. I thought the staging was one of the best things
I’d seen for a while, but I wasn’t all that impressed with the costuming
until I examined it again. While there was certainly not dazzling technical
stuff done, the makeup and the attention to detail was what impressed me.
THAT, I consider original.

Bruce

 

Group: runacc Message: 1043 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 5/16/2005
Subject: Re a comment from Bruce, not apropos of judging per se…

Hey!

Amanda’s not on this list, but next time you see her, Sharon Landrum, or
some of the other GCFCG members, be sure to let them know that. I’m sure
they’d be flattered by that comment!

I think it was just Saturdays at 8, but I could be wrong… Wasn’t there
to see it in person.

Dang.

Betsy

Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> Oh, and by the way, I did think of a relatively recent presentation that
> shows new stuff can be done. The costumes and staging for “Saturday Night
> at 8:00″(?). Brilliant. I thought the staging was one of the best things
> I’d seen for a while, but I wasn’t all that impressed with the costuming
> until I examined it again. While there was certainly not dazzling technical
> stuff done, the makeup and the attention to detail was what impressed me.
> THAT, I consider original.
>
> Bruce

 

Group: runacc Message: 1044 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/16/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging – comments from R & K

Bruce,

Okay,
so I make sure that this judges instructions list really addresses giving
originality its fair due,

not higher, not lower, but one of many equally important topics judges need
to concern themselves with , then we’re all cool?

because the three major east coast masquerades are ready to start using
them, well, now.

But I don’t want regional pissing matches and hard feelings happening, so I
want you to be happy as well.

>Ah. Now we’re getting somewhere. Sounds like a panel, or at least a good
>roundtable discussion.
>
>That said, though, if the the artists are starting to bore the audience
>(it’s not just all about the costumer – you know that), then maybe they need
>to be aware of it.

I’d do that panel with you. while I don’t think the costumes are
necessarily boring, I think many non funny presentations are.

> > you don’t want to engineer the costumers, you just want to engineer
> > the judges so things like what you do will have a better chance?
>- but we still have to be judged on the
>costume part. We’ve never lost sight of that. If that was your impression,
>well, you’re wrong.

yup, I need to be better on the little emoticons. sorry.

>I will never be half (okay, well, maybe 3/4) you guys are. I know my
>limitations. Nor will I ever be as successful as you guys are (experience
>has to count for something). But that’s okay. I don’t have the time or the
>amount of creative drive you guys do. That’s why you can have a business
>that incorporates your costuming skills.

No, I believe on any given day you and anyone you might be married to who
may well do a totally separate costume from you ( LOL) have all the skills
and abilities to beat us.

But your costuming self worth seems to be tied up in any one particular set
of, as Jaqui calls them, horse ribbons and wallpaper. And that you aren’t
getting the props from the national community you deserve. But it’s your
overall body of work that is the most interesting thing about you, and that
separately costuming spouse of yours.
While any one single con may or may not have gone the way you wanted,
anyone with a clue sees the scope of a career there and has to be impressed.

I mean, you’ve been around long enough to have best in shows, been con
chairs, be eligible for the ICG LAA, and while I have no clue if you’ve
ever been nominated, I know people speak of you in those terms.

> > Will you say that it is just one of MANY factors judges should be
>considering?
> > or do you think it deserves more weight than other factors?
>
>Yes! I want it to be >A< factor equal to others, but not the overriding
>one.

Done!

>Whoa. Let’s back up the bus. “Experimental” is not the
>point. Originality is. Mostly not doing the same thing twice is our
>signature. As Nora said (and you acknowledged), we mostly pursue our own
>individual concepts (Nora’s probably paired up with Karen H more than with
>me), and have completely different styles from each other.
> By which I felt highly honored that you thought so. I wish Nora
>had been around to hear that too, but I passed on the compliment later.

Okay, first, Nora already reamed me about lumping you, but it was
coincidental that you are married.

and experimental is a grey area on the side of original, and I value them
equally so no slight was intended. it was supposed to be a complement.

You, yourself,
said roughly the same thing at CC22 — something about two “talented
costumers with two distinctive styles under one roof”, is what I believe
you stated

and is the reason that BOTH OF YOU should be on the next interview type
tape. BECAUSE you’re married with almost separate costume careers.

>That’s as close to what we’ve been trying to get across as I can expect.
>
>More than once, we’ve tried to get those we respect to listen to what is
>being said in parts of our community. But the impression we get is “This is
>the way we’ve always done it” and we should just stop stirring up trouble.
>
>I’ve pretty much said all I’m going to, at this point. I’ve made some
>suggestions about how to address these perceptions. I hope that they will
>be considered by people who could work the ideas into panel programming for
>judges.

I feel strongly that they will be. I think after all this between the two
of us, everyone here has a grasp of the opinions.

>Oh, and by the way, I did think of a relatively recent presentation that
>shows new stuff can be done. The costumes and staging for “Saturday Night
>at 8:00″(?). Brilliant. I thought the staging was one of the best things
>I’d seen for a while, but I wasn’t all that impressed with the costuming
>until I examined it again. While there was certainly not dazzling technical
>stuff done, the makeup and the attention to detail was what impressed me.
>THAT, I consider original.

agreed, and proof that doing a costume RIGHT doesn’t have to mean
mortgaging the house to do it.and the whole was greater than the separate
parts.

Ricky

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Group: runacc Message: 1045 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/16/2005
Subject: Re: Re a comment from Bruce, not apropos of judging per se…

I think it was Fridays at 10.

Ricky

At 11:22 PM 5/16/2005 -0700, you wrote:

>Hey!
>
>Amanda’s not on this list, but next time you see her, Sharon Landrum, or
>some of the other GCFCG members, be sure to let them know that. I’m sure
>they’d be flattered by that comment!
>
>I think it was just Saturdays at 8, but I could be wrong… Wasn’t there
>to see it in person.
>
>Dang.
>
>Betsy
>
>Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
>
> > Oh, and by the way, I did think of a relatively recent presentation that
> > shows new stuff can be done. The costumes and staging for “Saturday Night
> > at 8:00″(?). Brilliant. I thought the staging was one of the best things
> > I’d seen for a while, but I wasn’t all that impressed with the costuming
> > until I examined it again. While there was certainly not dazzling
> technical
> > stuff done, the makeup and the attention to detail was what impressed me.
> > THAT, I consider original.
> >
> > Bruce
>
>
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Group: runacc Message: 1046 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 5/16/2005
Subject: Re: Re a comment from Bruce, not apropos of judging per se…

Shows what I know. Besides, I only ever remember seeing the show in
reruns, anyway, and then only when I couldn’t avoid it. (I’m familiar
with the material, but I happen to despise the subject. Wouldn’t stop me
from awarding high marks for the costumes, though!) 9-)

Cheers,

Betsy

Ricky & Karen Dick wrote:

> I think it was Fridays at 10.
>
> Ricky

 

Group: runacc Message: 1047 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/16/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging – comments from R & K

—– Original Message —–
From: “Ricky & Karen Dick” <castleb@pulsenet.com>

> Bruce,
>
> Okay,
> so I make sure that this judges instructions list really addresses
giving
> originality its fair due,
>
> not higher, not lower, but one of many equally important topics judges
need
> to concern themselves with , then we’re all cool?

Fine.
>
> because the three major east coast masquerades are ready to start using
> them, well, now.
>
> But I don’t want regional pissing matches and hard feelings happening, so
I
> want you to be happy as well.

Not a matter of being happy, but — whatever.
>
>
>

> I’d do that panel with you. while I don’t think the costumes are
> necessarily boring, I think many non funny presentations are.

You get no arguement from me.

>
> yup, I need to be better on the little emoticons. sorry.
>
>
> >I will never be half (okay, well, maybe 3/4) you guys are. I know my
> >limitations. Nor will I ever be as successful as you guys are
(experience
> >has to count for something). But that’s okay. I don’t have the time or
the
> >amount of creative drive you guys do. That’s why you can have a business
> >that incorporates your costuming skills.
>
>
> No, I believe on any given day you and anyone you might be married to who
> may well do a totally separate costume from you ( LOL) have all the skills
> and abilities to beat us.

That may take awhile for me. Nora is the one with more of the talent.

>
> But your costuming self worth seems to be tied up in any one particular
set
> of, as Jaqui calls them, horse ribbons and wallpaper. And that you aren’t
> getting the props from the national community you deserve. But it’s your
> overall body of work that is the most interesting thing about you, and
that
> separately costuming spouse of yours.
> While any one single con may or may not have gone the way you wanted,
> anyone with a clue sees the scope of a career there and has to be
impressed.

I know you mean well, but no, we’re not tied up in the whole horse ribbon
thing. Let’s just drop that. We’re not getting anywhere with this
discussion anymore. We must agree on general stuff, but there are specifics
that we must agree to disagree. And our opinions, are seperate as well,
and not meant to be considered as one, necessarily. Maybe we need to set up
our own e-mail account/aliases.
>
> I mean, you’ve been around long enough to have best in shows, been con
> chairs, be eligible for the ICG LAA, and while I have no clue if you’ve
> ever been nominated, I know people speak of you in those terms.

Thank you for the kind words, but talk to me about that in another 15 years.
And I would hope that we would be considered on individual contributions,
not as a couple. Nora has done more than I for the community and the ICG,
especially since she has served as VP for the Guild. I don’t think I”ll
ever aspire to an officer in the ICG. Too much aggravation.

> You, yourself,
> said roughly the same thing at CC22 — something about two “talented
> costumers with two distinctive styles under one roof”, is what I believe
> you stated
>
> and is the reason that BOTH OF YOU should be on the next interview type
> tape. BECAUSE you’re married with almost separate costume careers.

Right. We’ll see if THAT ever comes to fruition (I’ve volunteered to help
produce it).
.

>
>
> agreed, and proof that doing a costume RIGHT doesn’t have to mean
> mortgaging the house to do it.and the whole was greater than the separate
> parts.

Definitely.

Bruce

 

Group: runacc Message: 1048 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/17/2005
Subject: Re: Judging and masquerades

In a message dated 5/16/2005 7:28:24 PM Central Daylight Time,
castleb@pulsenet.com writes:

>
> well, my only first hand problem was that for the second time you were in
> charge of the stage at a CC, you had right up until the day of the
> masquerade, no real handle on what it would actually be.
> The info in the prs was just wrong, for years.
>
> To your credit, and it’s a big credit, when I found you in the lobby and
> I’m sure I was breathing fire, you delegated me to people who could fix it.
>

Yea, you were pretty perturbed, but not at that unreasonable point. I’m glad
that we could get the stage the way you wanted. I’m also glad that Sallie, Les
and Crew were in their room!

> otherwise I heard second hand grumbling from folks most of whom not on this
>
> list, so it’s not right to be specific. But from what I’ve seen and heard
> from CC21 and 23, you have a great knack for choosing your lieutenants and
> they have made up for a sometimes lack of organization.
>
> Like, you should have known what the deal was on the ribbons.
> I realize it may have been out of your hands as to how many were ordered or
> whatever, but you should have had a handle on it before it became an issue.
>
>

Again, no arguments from me on that one.

> right now I would have trouble voting for you as a con chair until the next
>
> time you run something smaller and we see how it goes. which of course you
> will get the chance to do before the CC-28 voting is over I believe,
> looking at your list below
>

I’ll admit that I didn’t do the best job I could for 23. It wasn’t do to not
wanting to do my best, just too much happening coming into it at the last
minute. I was lucky to have been gifted with Dora Buck as my #2. After finding out
about the theater, I realized that I wanted the best stage crew I knew. So, I
e-mailed Sallie and she got the rest of the bunch.

Re: 21: As I have described it to many people, it was my painful learning
experience. It was hard to be the bad guy at friends, especially coming out of a
job situation were I was in charge and had learned how to use an iron fist
when needed. I’m sure you are familiar with that situation. From 21, I have
learned and realized that everyone involved must realized that although the con is
a volunteer-run event, everyone must have a businesslike attitude about doing
their job. That includes me, if I win the bid. As chair, I’ll have to be just
and hard, but fair, as well as understanding at times. I’m going to have
deadlines, and a set plan/policy to deal with missed deadlines.

I’m not saying this to sway you, just let you know that I have thought about
running another CC alot in the last two years. I have been waiting to get 21
finally done before going after another. And I also figure that if I am going
to go after another CC, this is about the best chance I have. My name among the
CC crowd is just large enough and the vote is in my neighborhood.

> This is all just because you asked. We like you as a person, we have won
> major awards at masq’s you’ve been a part of, and we have had great times
> in general at the cons you’ve worked on. If we’re all trying to learn, then
> the above comments are about what still needs work
>

I like you, too! When I first really said Hello to all of you at 21, I didn’t
know who you were. I just dug your outfits! Now, I’d like to get to know you
better! When I took Daren to the collectable store in Ogden, he said that you
were into that kind of stuff. If only I had known!

And for the record, I’m not hurt by your comments. Without feedback, we don’t
learn. A former Significant Other like to say that I thought I knew
everything. I would correct her and say “No I don’t. I just know who to ask.” I am
still learning all the time, everyday. So thank you for the feedback.
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 1049 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 5/18/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging
My we’ve had a lot of traffic. Only looking at the list in the evening it
seems there’s such a flurry of responses it seems almost redundant to
answer any particular post.

The balance of using masquerade history and ignoring any knowledge of past
events is a difficult one. As many of you might imagine, given my
propensity for collecting past masquerades, I find it is particularly
difficult to ignore past work. Generally, I strive to so ignore the past
and attempt to judge on what I see on stage. The only time I stray from
that if I see a particularly egregious example of an entry that is
sandbagging (wasn’t that BIS at Worldcon 1983? [picking a worldcon without
a BIS for safety]) or if the quality of workmanship is so poor compared to
what I know is an entry’s skill level.

Why do I consider the latter? Because I see it as a disrespectful slur to
that masquerade; this contest isn’t worth my best efforts. Note that I
don’t consider a simpler costume such a slur. Such a choice may be due to
the scale of that masquerade, a last minute idea or even an attempt to help
fill in a sparse field.

Agendas are a problem we should all be aware of. In the example Ricky gave
I do consider that judge’s actions an agenda; not just an animus. An
animus, not properly controlled, might lend a judge to underrate an entry.
While regrettable, that is a natural reaction to negative feelings toward
an individual.

However, scoring that entry at 0 crosses the line from animus to agenda. “I
won’t let that ‘so and so’ win an award at any masquerade I judge.” The
same thing applies to “no fuzzies on my award list”, “no fantasy costumes”,
“no Star Wars” etc. If a judge displays this sort of attitude, then they
need to be outed, if only to future MD’s. It is simply unfair to
contestants to knowingly allow such a judge on a panel.

As regards the originality discussion; I agree that originality should be a
factor; but only a factor. It should be the tipping point if and only if
all other factors are equal in the eyes of the panel. This is where history
can come into play. “Didn’t that person do a very similar costume 10 years
ago?” That would affect the originality factor. It doesn’t, though, affect
the other factors when appraising the costume. It is embarrassing, though,
if a judge tells a contestant “that entry beat you because it was so
original and all other factors were equal between you.” only to have the
contestant answer back “but they did that same type of costume at
Somethingorothercon ## variable number of years ago!”

I hope that helps clarify some of my views on this topic.

Pierre

“Those Who Fail To Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly —
Why They Are Simply Doomed.

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C.Y. 4971

Andromeda

 

Group: runacc Message: 1050 From: Charles Date: 5/18/2005
Subject: Re: More on Judging

I”ve noticed a lot of the responses here have tended toward judging against what is only presented in that one specific show. While I think the comments have been quite clear and informative, I do think I read a differing opinion a couple of years back, from a different point of view — I think it was a Canadian convention. It sounded like they were intending to judge, based on what the judges believed to represent excellence for that class-level, based on the judges experience. So if every entry seemed to met a certain high level, they would all be awarded recognition, and if they were all below expectation, none would.

I read a similar comment a year or so ago, about Best in Show — something like the judges may not feel compelled to award a BIS, if no single entry stood out strongly over the rest.

Certainly many masquerades do try to allow awarding a ribbon (but not a major award win), to elements meriting recognition.

I thought Pierre’s comments were useful in explaining some of the (many) different aspects that go into judging.

(We are finishing up the ordering for CONduit ribbons here, and this discussion has added to my trying to help plan correctly)

Charles

—– Original Message —–
From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger
<snip>

The balance of using masquerade history and ignoring any knowledge of past
events is a difficult one.

<snip>
Pierre

“Those Who Fail To Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly —
Why They Are Simply Doomed.

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Group: runacc Message: 951 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 4/26/2005
Subject: Re: Reminder to masquerade/competition directors (especially CC23,
Group: runacc Message: 952 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/5/2005
Subject: Fwd: [cc26sv-staff] Comments for CC26 re luring Anime Cosplayers &
Group: runacc Message: 953 From: John O’Halloran Date: 5/5/2005
Subject: Re: Fwd: [cc26sv-staff] Comments for CC26 re luring AnimeCosplayers
Group: runacc Message: 954 From: Charles Date: 5/5/2005
Subject: Re: Fwd: [cc26sv-staff] Comments for CC26 re luring Anime Cosplayer
Group: runacc Message: 955 From: martingear Date: 5/5/2005
Subject: Re: Fwd: [cc26sv-staff] Comments for CC26 re luring AnimeCosplayers
Group: runacc Message: 956 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/5/2005
Subject: Re: Reminder to masquerade/competition directors (especially CC23,
Group: runacc Message: 957 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/7/2005
Subject: Re: Thoughts After CC23
Group: runacc Message: 958 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/7/2005
Subject: Re: [ICG-D} Need CC Membership Lists
Group: runacc Message: 959 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 5/7/2005
Subject: Re: Thoughts After CC23
Group: runacc Message: 960 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/7/2005
Subject: Re: Thoughts After CC23- Special Awards
Group: runacc Message: 961 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 5/8/2005
Subject: Re: Thoughts After CC23
Group: runacc Message: 962 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/8/2005
Subject: Re: Thoughts After CC23 — re-naming “Presentation” Awards
Group: runacc Message: 963 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/8/2005
Subject: Re: Thoughts After CC23- Special Awards
Group: runacc Message: 964 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/8/2005
Subject: Re: Thoughts After CC23
Group: runacc Message: 965 From: Kevin Roche Date: 5/8/2005
Subject: Re: Thoughts After CC23
Group: runacc Message: 966 From: Kevin Roche Date: 5/8/2005
Subject: Re: Thoughts After CC23- Special Awards
Group: runacc Message: 967 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/8/2005
Subject: Re: Thoughts After CC23
Group: runacc Message: 968 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/8/2005
Subject: Re: Thoughts After CC23- Special Awards
Group: runacc Message: 969 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/8/2005
Subject: Re: Thoughts After CC23
Group: runacc Message: 970 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/8/2005
Subject: Re: Thoughts After CC23
Group: runacc Message: 971 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/8/2005
Subject: Re: Thoughts After CC23
Group: runacc Message: 972 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/8/2005
Subject: Re: Thoughts After CC23
Group: runacc Message: 973 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 5/8/2005
Subject: Re: Thoughts After CC23- Special Awards
Group: runacc Message: 974 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 5/9/2005
Subject: Re: Thoughts After CC23
Group: runacc Message: 975 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/9/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 223
Group: runacc Message: 976 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/9/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 223
Group: runacc Message: 977 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/9/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 223
Group: runacc Message: 978 From: Charles Date: 5/9/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 223
Group: runacc Message: 979 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/9/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 223
Group: runacc Message: 980 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/9/2005
Subject: Re: Lighting Masquerade Entries
Group: runacc Message: 981 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/9/2005
Subject: Focus
Group: runacc Message: 982 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/9/2005
Subject: Presentation vs Workmanship
Group: runacc Message: 983 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 5/9/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 223
Group: runacc Message: 984 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/9/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 223
Group: runacc Message: 985 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/9/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 223
Group: runacc Message: 986 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/9/2005
Subject: Judging panel and presentation notes (was Re: [runacc] Digest Numbe
Group: runacc Message: 987 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/9/2005
Subject: Evolution of presentation length (Andy’s comments)
Group: runacc Message: 988 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/9/2005
Subject: Re: Judging panel and presentation notes (was Re: [runacc] Digest N
Group: runacc Message: 989 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 5/10/2005
Subject: Re: Thoughts After CC23
Group: runacc Message: 990 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/10/2005
Subject: Re: Focus
Group: runacc Message: 991 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 5/11/2005
Subject: Re: Presentation vs Workmanship
Group: runacc Message: 992 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/11/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 224
Group: runacc Message: 993 From: grizzy1955 Date: 5/11/2005
Subject: Re: Presentation vs Workmanship
Group: runacc Message: 994 From: Kevin Roche Date: 5/11/2005
Subject: Re: Presentation vs Workmanship
Group: runacc Message: 995 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/11/2005
Subject: Re: Presentation vs Workmanship
Group: runacc Message: 996 From: grizzy1955 Date: 5/11/2005
Subject: judging
Group: runacc Message: 997 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 5/11/2005
Subject: Re: judging
Group: runacc Message: 998 From: Karen Heim Date: 5/11/2005
Subject: Re: judging
Group: runacc Message: 999 From: David Doering Date: 5/11/2005
Subject: Re: judging
Group: runacc Message: 1000 From: Karen Heim Date: 5/11/2005
Subject: Re: judging

 


 

Group: runacc Message: 951 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 4/26/2005
Subject: Re: Reminder to masquerade/competition directors (especially CC23,

[Insert huge grin here]

Thanks, Pierre!

Betsy

Pierre & Sandy Pettinger wrote:

> At 08:45 PM 4/24/2005, you wrote:
>
>
>
>>I also photograph the exhibits and the doll contest, but if these were
>>professionally shot, it would be nicer. I may still take reference
>>photos, just in case, but you get the idea.
>
>
>
> Sandy and I are planning to completely photograph all dolls as they come in
> and you will get copies of these as well as copies of all the registration
> information.
>
> Pierre



Betsy R. Delaney

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Group: runacc Message: 952 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/5/2005
Subject: Fwd: [cc26sv-staff] Comments for CC26 re luring Anime Cosplayers &

From Chris Wilrich…

Begin forwarded message:

> Another thing that occurred to me was concerning the Doll Costuming
> Contest. If any of
> you noticed the 24″ “mini-me” that I carried around on a few occasions
> at CC23, he’s a
> Japanese resin ball-jointed doll, and I am a member of the Asian BJD
> community as well as
> the Anime community (there’s quite a bit of crossover). A lot of ABJD
> community people
> are superb doll costumers. (I could get you links to some absolutely
> breathtaking work!!)
>
> If we however want to lure the BJD costumer people to a Costume Con
> (and I think we
> possibly might want to! :p ), there’s going to have to be
> accommodations. As it is, I would
> NOT have entered Kasai (my boy) at CC23, given the facilities, even if
> I had brought him
> with an elaborate costume.
>
> These types of dolls are collectors items, are typically considered by
> their owners to be
> basically “their kids”, and they cost upwards of $450 – actually, many
> cost over $1000,
> and some secondary-market Limited dolls reach over $2500 within a year
> of original sale.
> For the arm and leg that my Limited Volks boy cost me, there is no WAY
> on EARTH
> I’d leave him in a display room if he were not safely locked in a
> glass case where he could
> be seen but NOT touched or – Gods-forbid – stolen. (It would take a
> hecka moola poured
> into a doll costume to make an outfit worth more than he is)

Many of you saw either Chris’ or Ann Catelli’s BJDs at the con, that
gives you an idea what she’s talking about.

I think the idea of display cases for the doll exhibits merits some
serious consideration. Yeah, costumes on display in the exhibit room
are also very valuable but they don’t have the same sort of resale
value and they’re not as small or usually as fragile.

If our doll costume competition attracts the attention of more BJD
collectors and costumers, it could translate into attending memberships
in a way that other dollmakers and costumers wouldn’t necessarily; most
of these folks wouldn’t consider shipping their dolls in for
competition.


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Group: runacc Message: 953 From: John O’Halloran Date: 5/5/2005
Subject: Re: Fwd: [cc26sv-staff] Comments for CC26 re luring AnimeCosplayers

Andrew T Trembley wrote:

> From Chris Wilrich…
>
> Begin forwarded message:
> > For the arm and leg that my Limited Volks boy cost me, there is no WAY
> > on EARTH
> > I’d leave him in a display room if he were not safely locked in a
> > glass case where he could
> > be seen but NOT touched or – Gods-forbid – stolen. (It would take a
> > hecka moola poured
> > into a doll costume to make an outfit worth more than he is)
>
> Many of you saw either Chris’ or Ann Catelli’s BJDs at the con, that
> gives you an idea what she’s talking about.

So that’s why she didn’t have her doll “in” the competition room.

> I think the idea of display cases for the doll exhibits merits some
> serious consideration. Yeah, costumes on display in the exhibit room
> are also very valuable but they don’t have the same sort of resale
> value and they’re not as small or usually as fragile.

Now that’s it brought up, I’m stunned in retrospect that there were not
cases or at least shields to keep folks from touching/taking the dolls.

As I remember folks reaching out to feel the fabric and hair.

> If our doll costume competition attracts the attention of more BJD
> collectors and costumers, it could translate into attending memberships
> in a way that other dollmakers and costumers wouldn’t necessarily; most
> of these folks wouldn’t consider shipping their dolls in for
> competition.

I think this is a add to the “find it” list for the actual con. Either
lockable cases, big enough for the larger dolls, or at least some sort
of shield that keeps grubby little hands (like mine) off the dolls.

JohnO

 

Group: runacc Message: 954 From: Charles Date: 5/5/2005
Subject: Re: Fwd: [cc26sv-staff] Comments for CC26 re luring Anime Cosplayer

It has been accepted practice around here to have locking cases for lead-miniature painting competitions. But they are in 25 mm figure size.

I have not thought a lot about the cost of housing dolls size figures. The CONduit art show does tend to have a person present in the room at all times that it is open. But in the case of CC-23, there was usually someone posted outside of the room.

The technology is now becoming available for video-recording surveilance, and eletrical alarming of the dolls. Tagging, like they do in clothing stores may be possible, but most of us don’t own that technology.

Charles

—– Original Message —–
From: Andrew T Trembley

From Chris Wilrich…

Begin forwarded message:
> Another thing that occurred to me was concerning the Doll Costuming
> Contest.
<snip>
there’s going to have to be
> accommodations. As it is, I would
> NOT have entered Kasai (my boy) at CC23, given the facilities, even if
> I had brought him
> with an elaborate costume.
<snip>

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Group: runacc Message: 955 From: martingear Date: 5/5/2005
Subject: Re: Fwd: [cc26sv-staff] Comments for CC26 re luring AnimeCosplayers

I know that the balticon Art Show has lockable cases that they use for
some of the 3-D Art. I’ll be talking with them about borrowing the
cases before CC-27. I suspect that maybe some of the larger regional
con Art Shows may have similar items.

Marty

John O’Halloran wrote:

>Andrew T Trembley wrote:
>
>
>> From Chris Wilrich…
>>
>>Begin forwarded message:
>> > For the arm and leg that my Limited Volks boy cost me, there is no WAY
>> > on EARTH
>> > I’d leave him in a display room if he were not safely locked in a
>> > glass case where he could
>> > be seen but NOT touched or – Gods-forbid – stolen. (It would take a
>> > hecka moola poured
>> > into a doll costume to make an outfit worth more than he is)
>>
>>Many of you saw either Chris’ or Ann Catelli’s BJDs at the con, that
>>gives you an idea what she’s talking about.
>>
>>
>
>So that’s why she didn’t have her doll “in” the competition room.
>
>
>
>>I think the idea of display cases for the doll exhibits merits some
>>serious consideration. Yeah, costumes on display in the exhibit room
>>are also very valuable but they don’t have the same sort of resale
>>value and they’re not as small or usually as fragile.
>>
>>
>
>Now that’s it brought up, I’m stunned in retrospect that there were not
>cases or at least shields to keep folks from touching/taking the dolls.
>
>As I remember folks reaching out to feel the fabric and hair.
>
>
>
>
>>If our doll costume competition attracts the attention of more BJD
>>collectors and costumers, it could translate into attending memberships
>>in a way that other dollmakers and costumers wouldn’t necessarily; most
>>of these folks wouldn’t consider shipping their dolls in for
>>competition.
>>
>>
>
>I think this is a add to the “find it” list for the actual con. Either
>lockable cases, big enough for the larger dolls, or at least some sort
>of shield that keeps grubby little hands (like mine) off the dolls.
>
> JohnO
>
>
>
>
>
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Group: runacc Message: 956 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/5/2005
Subject: Re: Reminder to masquerade/competition directors (especially CC23,
Betsy,
Dora was kind enough, if not crazy enough, to do the fiddly computer
stuff for Darla and myself in Utah. I’ll e-mail her and ask her to get the
stuff to you, if you don’t have her e-mail address. If you do, e-mail her and fill
her in. I’m sure she help you out with all the stuff you need.
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 957 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/7/2005
Subject: Re: Thoughts After CC23
(1) The Retrospectives were very interesting, and well-attended, and I hope
future Programming Directors continue them.

(2) What can be done to bring up the numbers on the Fashion Show? So many
of us feel it is an integral part of CC, yet very few designs actually get
made up. (Although the “Sunday Afternoon Event”–Fashion Show plus Single
Pattern–seems to consistently draw participation of 7-8% of the
convention’s attendees.)

(2a) Are the falling numbers because there are so many different
competitions that people have limited time and $$ and the Fashion Show is a
casualty when they participate in other things (Doll Contest, Iron
Costumer, etc.)? I enjoy seeing committees experiment with other types of
competitions and don’t want to discourage that, but I don’t want to see the
Fashion Show become extinct, either.

(2b) Are the falling numbers because there are now tech rehearsals
and pre-judging for the Historical, so folks who would do both events have
conflicts?

(2c) Are the falling numbers because the Folio needs to come out
‘way before the con? 2 months is definitely too little lead time; 4 months
may even be too little lead time. (We tried to do 5 months lead time on
this one and ran into layout problems that took an extra 30 days.)

(2d) Is there some other way to deal with Single Pattern? One
thought would be move it off Sunday and run it as part of the Social by
picking patterns that fit with the Social’s theme; Kevin’s thought is to
run Single Pattern as part of the Fashion Design Contest/Folio/Show and
have entrants draw up their intended modifications.

(3) After the glitch on Sunday night re the Founder’s Award (and, I
believe, the President’s Awards and Cement Overshoes Award as well), there
needs to be some centralized (and well publicized!) location where folks
wanting to make announcements / give awards can sign up.

(4) I would like the term “presentation awards” re-thought for the
masquerades, as it is misleading. The awards given for the stage
appearances are NOT for presentation alone–they should take into
consideration how the costume moves and appears under stage conditions,
scope of work attempted, quality of execution as visible from stage,
etc. A better term might be “stage awards” or “general awards,” although
“general awards” sounds a bit boring. Workmanship awards were always
intended as “extra credit” for doing things that might not be visible from
stage, but were never intended as the sole means of physically judging the
actual costume(s).

More as I think of it…just got home last night and am still a little fried.

–Karen

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Group: runacc Message: 958 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/7/2005
Subject: Re: [ICG-D} Need CC Membership Lists
I need complete (or as complete as possible) membership lists from all past
CC’s for an upcoming research project relating to CC.

I just need names, not necessarily addresses.

If you have info to contribute, please contact me off-list. I regret that
due to Life Stuff, my personal collection of old PR’s (and materials from
CC-1 and CC-6) is practically non-existent.

Thanks for your help!

–Karen

 

Group: runacc Message: 959 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 5/7/2005
Subject: Re: Thoughts After CC23

Too fried (and too late) to think clearly about this stuff tonight, and
this weekend will be busy, but two general thoughts come to my mind.
This is personal opinion here, and not of any official capacity
whatsoever. YMMV!

1. Fashion Show participation: More lead time is definitely a good
thing, but hard to coordinate if the deadline for receiving designs is
the end of the summer. I think there’s a conception out there that
putting the deadline too close to the current CC steals the thunder of
that con. Not sure if it’s true. And it’s been years since I submitted
designs for the folio. I’ve been too focused on the recordkeeping and
not enough on actually constructing costumes for at least the last few
years. Also, I looked through the folio once I received it, and
honestly, there were maybe two designs I wanted to try and construct,
and both were claimed by their designers.

I have only successfully constructed one garment for the Fashion Show.
Prior to that, I attempted to construct two costumes based on my designs
for CC5, which proved disastrous.

I know there were more people signed up to participate in the show, but
in the end something must have happened (and boy, have I been there!) to
keep them from making it to the actual stage.

2. If we’re going to contemplate new names for the types of awards, now
might be a really good time to come up with them, since Andy and I are
just a couple weeks away from submitting the rewritten Guidelines for
chapter review and ICG adoption. If you don’t know what I’m talking
about, go here:

http://www.costume.org/guidelines-committee/

The second draft got a bunch of comments from me that Andy needed to
review, and time ran out before the Annual Meeting (a mixed blessing, I
think). We still have time to make changes to the doc, and it would be a
really nice thing if we could manage to make changes before another
round of reviewing happens. Since Costume-Con figures heavily in the
descriptions of the process outlined in the Guidelines, it seems to me
to be a logical place for changes to be announced. Either that or
Costume-Con will need to develop its own set of specialized guidelines
for competition.

Note that I’m not suggesting what those changes might be, or how we
might go about the process of establishing a separate set of guidelines.

I haven’t got a brain at the moment. Still reinstalling necessary
software and restoring data on my computer, and I have billable work
expected to be done on Monday. After which, I’ll be posting all the data
from CC23 on the Costume-Con.org site.

Just plain ol’ Betsy (sans titles)
(Who is now going to bed, because tomorrow is going to be a very long day!)

Ricky & Karen Dick wrote:

> (4) I would like the term “presentation awards” re-thought for the
> masquerades, as it is misleading. The awards given for the stage
> appearances are NOT for presentation alone–they should take into
> consideration how the costume moves and appears under stage conditions,
> scope of work attempted, quality of execution as visible from stage,
> etc. A better term might be “stage awards” or “general awards,” although
> “general awards” sounds a bit boring. Workmanship awards were always
> intended as “extra credit” for doing things that might not be visible from
> stage, but were never intended as the sole means of physically judging the
> actual costume(s).
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> More as I think of it…just got home last night and am still a little fried.
>
> –Karen
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Group: runacc Message: 960 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/7/2005
Subject: Re: Thoughts After CC23- Special Awards
I was approached before my masq about some special awards from guilds and the
raffle. In my opinion, I think special awards that are not connected with the
masquerade should be presented before the awards for that masquerade. The
reason we stick around through half time is to find out who the winners are. This
is also why there is consideration about keeping half time interesting enough
to keep people around. So why eat the peas if we can have the chocolate cake
first?

I know I can’t make every masq director think the way I do about this, but I
can present my case.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 961 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 5/8/2005
Subject: Re: Thoughts After CC23

At 11:02 PM 5/6/2005, you wrote:

>(1) The Retrospectives were very interesting, and well-attended, and I hope
>future Programming Directors continue them.
>
>(2) What can be done to bring up the numbers on the Fashion Show? So many
>of us feel it is an integral part of CC, yet very few designs actually get
>made up. (Although the “Sunday Afternoon Event”–Fashion Show plus Single
>Pattern–seems to consistently draw participation of 7-8% of the
>convention’s attendees.)

I’ve mentioned in the past that I think that the Single Pattern steals from
the Fashion Show. That was why we didn’t have a Single Pattern for CC21 and
why we won’t have one for CC24. 21 had more Fashion Show entries than many
recent CCs with Single Patterns.

> (2a) Are the falling numbers because there are so many different
>competitions that people have limited time and $$ and the Fashion Show is a
>casualty when they participate in other things (Doll Contest, Iron
>Costumer, etc.)? I enjoy seeing committees experiment with other types of
>competitions and don’t want to discourage that, but I don’t want to see the
>Fashion Show become extinct, either.

Which is why we’re trying the Costumer’s Eye competition for 24.

> (2b) Are the falling numbers because there are now tech rehearsals
>and pre-judging for the Historical, so folks who would do both events have
>conflicts?
>
> (2c) Are the falling numbers because the Folio needs to come out
>’way before the con? 2 months is definitely too little lead time; 4 months
>may even be too little lead time. (We tried to do 5 months lead time on
>this one and ran into layout problems that took an extra 30 days.)

We definitely feel the folio needs to be out 5-6 months in advance, and
ours will be out by Thanksgiving (hopefully before) for a Memorial Day con.

> (2d) Is there some other way to deal with Single Pattern? One
>thought would be move it off Sunday and run it as part of the Social by
>picking patterns that fit with the Social’s theme; Kevin’s thought is to
>run Single Pattern as part of the Fashion Design Contest/Folio/Show and
>have entrants draw up their intended modifications.
>
>(3) After the glitch on Sunday night re the Founder’s Award (and, I
>believe, the President’s Awards and Cement Overshoes Award as well), there
>needs to be some centralized (and well publicized!) location where folks
>wanting to make announcements / give awards can sign up.

The next PR for 24 will have a direction that all special announcements and
awards must be cleared through me and Les Roth. (no we’re not censoring
anyone. Cleared in the sense of informed of.) We’ll probably also announce
that at the social as well. That way we can prepare a list and, hopefully,
not have any problems.

>(4) I would like the term “presentation awards” re-thought for the
>masquerades, as it is misleading. The awards given for the stage
>appearances are NOT for presentation alone–they should take into
>consideration how the costume moves and appears under stage conditions,
>scope of work attempted, quality of execution as visible from stage,
>etc. A better term might be “stage awards” or “general awards,” although
>”general awards” sounds a bit boring. Workmanship awards were always
>intended as “extra credit” for doing things that might not be visible from
>stage, but were never intended as the sole means of physically judging the
>actual costume(s).

I can see this, but I don’t have a good word here. I suppose I have always
seen “presentation” to include all the above.

Pierre

>More as I think of it…just got home last night and am still a little fried.
>
>–Karen
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“Those Who Fail To Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly —
Why They Are Simply Doomed.

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C.Y. 4971

Andromeda

 

Group: runacc Message: 962 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/8/2005
Subject: Re: Thoughts After CC23 — re-naming “Presentation” Awards

I think this is opening a can of worms left alone. To sound a little un-PC
here, it’s like trying to use the language to change people’s perception –
like those trying to morph “handicapped” or “disabled” in
“differently-abled”, which brings a snort from a lot of people it doesn’t
really work.

If you want the perception changed, you need to educate people accordinglym,
not just change the title. Nora has said it’s a matter of semantics, and I
agree. The question becomes, then, how do you educate people? Well, you
probably have to start on the grass roots level. Breaking down the
distinctions between Workmanship and Presentations in the Guidelines might
be tedious, but necessary, reading. You would need to explain it to your
audiences, too — but that would only work at a CC. Most other regional
venues wouldn’t give a flip.

I thought the theory was, Workmanship awards were to counted as any other
win, if agreed upon by the MD and the contestant.

Sounds like a good topic for a roundtable discussion at Archon.

Bruce

>
> (4) I would like the term “presentation awards” re-thought for the
> masquerades, as it is misleading. The awards given for the stage
> appearances are NOT for presentation alone–they should take into
> consideration how the costume moves and appears under stage conditions,
> scope of work attempted, quality of execution as visible from stage,
> etc. A better term might be “stage awards” or “general awards,” although
> “general awards” sounds a bit boring. Workmanship awards were always
> intended as “extra credit” for doing things that might not be visible from
> stage, but were never intended as the sole means of physically judging the
> actual costume(s).
>
> More as I think of it…just got home last night and am still a little

fried.

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Group: runacc Message: 963 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/8/2005
Subject: Re: Thoughts After CC23- Special Awards

I thought it was always done this way(?) It would seem anti-climactic,
otherwise.

Bruce

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Subject: Re: [runacc] Thoughts After CC23- Special Awards

> I was approached before my masq about some special awards from guilds and
the
> raffle. In my opinion, I think special awards that are not connected with
the
> masquerade should be presented before the awards for that masquerade. The
> reason we stick around through half time is to find out who the winners
are. This
> is also why there is consideration about keeping half time interesting
enough
> to keep people around. So why eat the peas if we can have the chocolate
cake
> first?
>
> I know I can’t make every masq director think the way I do about this, but
I
> can present my case.
>
> Henry
>
>
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Group: runacc Message: 964 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/8/2005
Subject: Re: Thoughts After CC23

In a message dated 5/7/2005 11:12:57 PM Central Daylight Time,
costumrs@radiks.net writes:

>
> I’ve mentioned in the past that I think that the Single Pattern steals from
> the Fashion Show. That was why we didn’t have a Single Pattern for CC21 and
> why we won’t have one for CC24. 21 had more Fashion Show entries than many
> recent CCs with Single Patterns.

Pierre,
Do you think that there is some way to combine the two? Perhaps a
“featured pattern” in the folio? If I win my bid for CC28, I am planning, at this
point, to have the Single Pattern be based on a Trench Coat pattern, to fit in
with the Spy theme.
Henry
PS My friend and Char loved the Two Color Doll concept!

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Group: runacc Message: 965 From: Kevin Roche Date: 5/8/2005
Subject: Re: Thoughts After CC23

That is exactly what we will be doing for CC26.

There will be a Single Pattern DESIGN contest as part of the Folio.

The intent of the SPC was to encourage people who were afraid of pattern
drafting to create something for the show. It was not supposed to
supplant Future Fashion. I hope by rolling it back in we can get the
best of both… some Future Fashion designs that have a clear suggested
starting point for the drafting-phobic.

Kevin

>
> Pierre,
> Do you think that there is some way to combine the two? Perhaps a
> “featured pattern” in the folio? If I win my bid for CC28, I am planning, at this
> point, to have the Single Pattern be based on a Trench Coat pattern, to fit in
> with the Spy theme.
> Henry
> PS My friend and Char loved the Two Color Doll concept!

 

Group: runacc Message: 966 From: Kevin Roche Date: 5/8/2005
Subject: Re: Thoughts After CC23- Special Awards
I fear that part of the confusion about awards order on Sunday Night
(after the Historical) came about because of the unusual nature of my
half-time performance. I didn’t want to do the “reveal” of pulling off
my headdress until site selection was announced and there was last
minute juggling of the order going on back stage to accomodate me. And
because it was last minute juggling, some of it got screwed up.

Kevin

 

Group: runacc Message: 967 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/8/2005
Subject: Re: Thoughts After CC23

In a message dated 5/8/2005 1:55:31 PM Central Daylight Time,
kevin@twistedimage.com writes:

> That is exactly what we will be doing for CC26.
>
> There will be a Single Pattern DESIGN contest as part of the Folio.

Excellent! Mind if I copy your idea, if I win?
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 968 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/8/2005
Subject: Re: Thoughts After CC23- Special Awards

In a message dated 5/8/2005 2:01:02 PM Central Daylight Time,
kevin@twistedimage.com writes:

> I fear that part of the confusion about awards order on Sunday Night
> (after the Historical) came about because of the unusual nature of my
> half-time performance.

A) Ah! That explains why things happened like they did.
B) I didn’t think your performance was unusual. Next time, can I be one of
the boys in the chorus?
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 969 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/8/2005
Subject: Re: Thoughts After CC23

Ricky & Karen Dick wrote:

> (4) I would like the term “presentation awards” re-thought for the
> masquerades, as it is misleading. The awards given for the stage
> appearances are NOT for presentation alone–they should take into
> consideration how the costume moves and appears under stage conditions,
> scope of work attempted, quality of execution as visible from stage,
> etc. A better term might be “stage awards” or “general awards,” although
> “general awards” sounds a bit boring. Workmanship awards were always
> intended as “extra credit” for doing things that might not be visible from
> stage, but were never intended as the sole means of physically judging the
> actual costume(s).

I entirely agree that “presentation awards” and “workmanship awards” are
really bad names, and when describing them I generally boil it down to
“40′ away in a theatrical context” and “2′ away without theatrical
support.” Janet, Pierre and I talked about this a bit in the Judging
workshop panel. Both judge the costume, just from different perspectives.

I’d hesitate describing workmanship as “extra credit” as we have enough
people repeating the idea that workmanship awards aren’t important. If
technique and construction are important, workmanship awards are
important and need to be valued as much as presentation awards.

As to the renaming, it’s a minefield. When Kevin and I suggested
renaming the divisions to more accurately reflect their nature, we might
as well have suggested sending “master costumers” off to the
concentration camps. The nazi references were avoided, but barely.

One of the items I push as a standard in competion rules is including
judges’ instructions as part of the rules, and publishing them so
everybody can read them. Yeah, I know, who reads competition rules? A
few lines explaining what presentation and workmanship judges should
consider can help educate competitors and attendees as to what the
judges are looking at.

To some extent, this also falls under the symbiotic relationship between
the ICG and Costume-Con. Doesn’t mean that I’m against addressing it
here, though.

Betsy and I are going to get the final substantial changes from the last
review cycle implemented in the ICG guidelines draft and submitted. This
isn’t one of the changes that’s making it in right now. However…

Once the new guidelines are in and approved (assuming that happens), get
your chapter board member to introduce a motion renaming “presentation
awards” to something more accurate and “workmanship awards” to
“technical awards” (as suggested by Janet Anderson) or something else
more meaningful. Personally I like “up-close-and-personal awards” and
“out-in-the-audience awards” but that’s probably a bit too silly to be
acceptable. I think this is much less a minefield than division names,
and it might not blow up in your face.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 970 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/8/2005
Subject: Re: Thoughts After CC23

In a message dated 5/8/2005 6:31:58 PM Central Daylight Time,
attrembl@bovil.com writes:

> Once the new guidelines are in and approved (assuming that happens), get
> your chapter board member to introduce a motion renaming “presentation
> awards” to something more accurate and “workmanship awards” to
> “technical awards” (as suggested by Janet Anderson) or something else
> more meaningful.

Hmmm. Like the second new title. Can’t think of a new first one.
Henry
who runs masquerades at smaller area cons and can help affect changes like
this

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Group: runacc Message: 971 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/8/2005
Subject: Re: Thoughts After CC23

Frankly, I don’t thinkchanging the tielt will help – I feel it’s more of an
education issue.
But if you’re going to use “technical” for Workmanship, then logically the
Presentation awards become “artistic”.

Nora

> In a message dated 5/8/2005 6:31:58 PM Central Daylight Time,
> attrembl@bovil.com writes:
> > Once the new guidelines are in and approved (assuming that happens), get
> > your chapter board member to introduce a motion renaming “presentation
> > awards” to something more accurate and “workmanship awards” to
> > “technical awards” (as suggested by Janet Anderson) or something else
> > more meaningful.

 

Group: runacc Message: 972 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/8/2005
Subject: Re: Thoughts After CC23

Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> Frankly, I don’t thinkchanging the tielt will help – I feel it’s more of an
> education issue.
> But if you’re going to use “technical” for Workmanship, then logically the
> Presentation awards become “artistic”.

Like I said, I like “up-close-and-personal” and “out-in-the-audience.”

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 973 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 5/8/2005
Subject: Re: Thoughts After CC23- Special Awards

At 04:17 PM 5/7/2005, you wrote:

>I was approached before my masq about some special awards from guilds and the
>raffle. In my opinion, I think special awards that are not connected with the
>masquerade should be presented before the awards for that masquerade. The
>reason we stick around through half time is to find out who the winners
>are. This
>is also why there is consideration about keeping half time interesting enough
>to keep people around. So why eat the peas if we can have the chocolate cake
>first?
>
>I know I can’t make every masq director think the way I do about this, but I
>can present my case.

I agree Henry. I believe everything extra should go before the main
awards. The last thing announced should be Best in Show.

Pierre

>Henry

“Those Who Fail To Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly —
Why They Are Simply Doomed.

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C.Y. 4971

Andromeda

 

Group: runacc Message: 974 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 5/9/2005
Subject: Re: Thoughts After CC23

That’s pretty close to most accurate, though.

The Academy presents its awards in two divisions: Technical Awards and
all the rest, lumped under Academy Awards. I think they extracted the
Technical Awards from the main show to shorten the event overall.

I don’t think we want to go there, though. It takes most of the control
over what gets awarded out of the hands of the judges, if there isn’t a
specified category that applies to a given costume.

Just educating people in the changes to the Guidelines, assuming the
version Andy and I are working on is approved, will be hard enough.

My $0.02, adjusted for inflation…

-B

Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> Frankly, I don’t thinkchanging the tielt will help – I feel it’s more of an
> education issue.
> But if you’re going to use “technical” for Workmanship, then logically the
> Presentation awards become “artistic”.
>
> Nora

 

Group: runacc Message: 975 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/9/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 223
Hi Re: presentation judging.

originally the workmanship awards were for ‘the small fiddlebits that you
can only see up close’
that quote or many like it are from numerous MC’s over the past 20 years.
slowly the workmanship awards have proven to be more valued than before in
the costumers heads, and perhaps rightly so. The non CC audience still
mostly doesn’t care as they can’t see it, and barely care about any of the
awards as a whole.

As workmanship has gained, presentation had turned into, well presentation
in many cases.

You all seem to be agreeing that presentation/artistic/stage judgeing is
about the entire costume, NOT just the routine, so thats what needs to be
stressed.
TO THE JUDGES, not neccesarily in the guidelines.

in 15 years of judging, I’ve never had an MD give us a briefing on things like

Try your best to always give a best in show
don’t judge a style of costume against others you have seen in the past of
a similar style
don’t judge a specific costumer by what they’ve done in the past
only judge a costume against what is in this particular masquerade
The quality of best in class or best in show may vary from con to con, as
they are only the best on that one particular night.
A great joke is not automatically a great costume.
It’s a costume event, presentation routines are there to provide a better
forum to view the costume

It’s these types of things that judges need to be reminded of, AND held
accountable for.
Then, no name changes or other juggling is required.
The names will represent what is being handed out and thats what needs
tweaking.

I watched about 40% of Pierres judging teaching tape. after each segment
comments were solicited by the folks watching.
almost 90% of the time, the comments were directed at the routine and not
at the costume.
When our bloodrites from cc12 came up. more experienced costumers commented
on the interaction of design styles ,color choices, and such. Awesome and
interesting.( I could take the critique and offer answers as to why choices
were made, no problem)
the people TAKING the class commented on how we moved and why. (
erronious buzzer sound here)

Nobody likes the stage and the ‘performing’ part of the hobby more than me,
but if it came to it, I’d rather we all just walked on, took a model turn,
and walked off, if thats what it took to have a level field so the COSTUME
was judged.

So, we all want a good show for the audience, they pay the bills.
Most of you seem to want the costumes judged on stage ( as they are
designed to be seen) and close up judging off stage. how do we ensure that
the stage judges are looking at the whole piece and not just the schtick?

and, do you really care, or are you trying to make two seperate but equal
awards here.One for making something, and one for showmanship. On the east
coast and lately at CC’s thats what looks to be happening.

Ricky

 

Group: runacc Message: 976 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/9/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 223

At 11:06 AM 5/9/2005 +0000, Andrew Trembley wrote:

>I’d hesitate describing workmanship as “extra credit” as we have enough
>people repeating the idea that workmanship awards aren’t important. If
>technique and construction are important, workmanship awards are
>important and need to be valued as much as presentation awards.

But Workmanship awards ARE extra credit as long as Workmanship judging is
NOT mandatory. And Workmanship judging always has been optional in the
F&S/F at CC and at the masquerades at general conventions. Plus I’m not
sure Workmanship judging should be mandatory, as that will open the whole
Historical Masquerade can of worms for the F&S/F–lower numbers of entries
in the masquerade because of people being afraid to enter because of the
workmanship judging, judges needing more time to judge everything so the
necessity of scheduling other times during the con to do individual
workmanship judging, etc., etc.

As long as Workmanship judging is optional and the Workmanship awards are
not the last thing announced at a masquerade, they are automatically
assigned to second-class status. Our audiences have been trained by the big
awards shows on TV to think that the last award announced is the most
important (just as the Technical Awards get buried at the beginning or
middle of the Oscars and the Best Picture award gets handed out last).

–Karen

 

Group: runacc Message: 977 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/9/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 223

At 11:06 AM 5/9/2005 +0000, Pirre Pettinger wrote:

>I believe everything extra should go before the main
>awards. The last thing announced should be Best in Show.

I completely agree.

–Karen

 

Group: runacc Message: 978 From: Charles Date: 5/9/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 223

This discussion of what is being judged, relates to some others aspects of the Costume show, that was discussed during CC-23 preparation.

What needs to be the role of the lighting, for the masquerades? In a historical sense, that was not really an issue. (like pantomime), it has tended to be minimalist lighting conditions, with each contestant getting essentially the same lighting, but allowing for different announcing and timing.

In some dance competitions at the Peery’s Egyptian, they have tended to use similar lighting for each performance, in order to try to create an equal setting for each number. But this theater also had enough lighting that “specials” were possible, such as the top-lighting used to good effect in the “Succubus” or the back-curtain lighting used in ascension. I know the show directors planned on having a three-zone lighting option (left, center, right), as well as having warm, neutral and cool lighting colors.

My impression is that this costuming art form has slowly been drifting away from it’s ealy orgins, and now has a stong performance aspect. I don’t think it would make sense for it to be a simple runway format, based on what I have seen.

As a performance artist (more-so than costumer), my bias is towards creating the best performance I can, based on the limitations presented — in fact, I’m more interested in the audience response, than any awards. But I’m also aware that the event is judged, so that has created the need for uniform time-limits, etc.

There does seem to be a tendency for fans to push boundaries, adding props, animatronics, what-ever. Given our fannish origins, I don’t expect this to trend to stop.

I did get the impression that what can be done for a venue does need to be understood, and conveyed to the contestants, while they are still in the early part of their design phase.

Charles
CC-23

—– Original Message —–
From: Ricky & Karen Dick
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Digest Number 223

Hi Re: presentation judging.

originally the workmanship awards were for ‘the small fiddlebits that you
can only see up close’
that quote or many like it are from numerous MC’s over the past 20 years.
slowly the workmanship awards have proven to be more valued than before in
the costumers heads, and perhaps rightly so. The non CC audience still
mostly doesn’t care as they can’t see it, and barely care about any of the
awards as a whole.

As workmanship has gained, presentation had turned into, well presentation
in many cases.

You all seem to be agreeing that presentation/artistic/stage judgeing is
about the entire costume, NOT just the routine, so thats what needs to be
stressed.
TO THE JUDGES, not neccesarily in the guidelines.

in 15 years of judging, I’ve never had an MD give us a briefing on things like

Try your best to always give a best in show
don’t judge a style of costume against others you have seen in the past of
a similar style
don’t judge a specific costumer by what they’ve done in the past
only judge a costume against what is in this particular masquerade
The quality of best in class or best in show may vary from con to con, as
they are only the best on that one particular night.
A great joke is not automatically a great costume.
It’s a costume event, presentation routines are there to provide a better
forum to view the costume

It’s these types of things that judges need to be reminded of, AND held
accountable for.
Then, no name changes or other juggling is required.
The names will represent what is being handed out and thats what needs
tweaking.

I watched about 40% of Pierres judging teaching tape. after each segment
comments were solicited by the folks watching.
almost 90% of the time, the comments were directed at the routine and not
at the costume.
When our bloodrites from cc12 came up. more experienced costumers commented
on the interaction of design styles ,color choices, and such. Awesome and
interesting.( I could take the critique and offer answers as to why choices
were made, no problem)
the people TAKING the class commented on how we moved and why. (
erronious buzzer sound here)

Nobody likes the stage and the ‘performing’ part of the hobby more than me,
but if it came to it, I’d rather we all just walked on, took a model turn,
and walked off, if thats what it took to have a level field so the COSTUME
was judged.

So, we all want a good show for the audience, they pay the bills.
Most of you seem to want the costumes judged on stage ( as they are
designed to be seen) and close up judging off stage. how do we ensure that
the stage judges are looking at the whole piece and not just the schtick?

and, do you really care, or are you trying to make two seperate but equal
awards here.One for making something, and one for showmanship. On the east
coast and lately at CC’s thats what looks to be happening.

Ricky

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Group: runacc Message: 979 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/9/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 223

In a message dated 5/9/2005 9:53:12 AM Central Daylight Time,
castleb@pulsenet.com writes:

> in 15 years of judging, I’ve never had an MD give us a briefing on things
> like

The only briefing I gave my judges was Judge every entry on its own merits
and don’t be swayed by the name of the person wearing it.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 980 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/9/2005
Subject: Re: Lighting Masquerade Entries
In my opinion, I think that many costumers dream of “the ultimate stage
conditions” with all the lighting, sound, etc., effects that we can dream of
possible. But, having been in very few situations where even part of it could
happen, most of us have learned to deal with the simplest conditions, if not the
worst. I’m glad that the theater folks lent there ideas to all of us who got up
on their stage!

I personally applaud Ricky and Karen for being one of two entries that
thought about the possibility of the stage in Utah. Admittedly, there was some last
minute hotel room conferencing about it, but we pulled it off! Yippie for
everybody!

I agree that many costumers have been adapting to the situations of poor
stages and thinking “What can we bring on with us for great effects.”

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 981 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/9/2005
Subject: Focus
<ahem>

Might I suggest we stay on one topic (Pres vs. Work) before we de-railed by
the whole lighting issue (as interesting as it may be)? Let the first
discussion play out, otherwise, as usual, nothing will get resolved.

Bruce

 

Group: runacc Message: 982 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/9/2005
Subject: Presentation vs Workmanship
A “Presentation” award is not just for the presentation – it has to be the
whole package.

Sure, I could get up and dance across the stage but I’m not being judged on
my dancing. It’s on my concept, my movement, my music choice, AND what I’m
wearing. Does the costume fit the concept (or vice-versa)? Can I move in it
the way I should be able to? Does it fit? Does it stay together?

An entry with a good or funny schtick might win some type of presentation
award even though the costume wasn’t as good, but not BiC or BiS – that
requires the whole package.

And have you ever noticed how many BiS also win some sort of Workmanship?

Nora

 

Group: runacc Message: 983 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 5/9/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 223

Ricky Dick wrote:

> in 15 years of judging, I’ve never had an MD give us a briefing on
> things like

Here’s the briefing I did for CC21, which was included in the
masquerade rules packet (and I know you read those rules). It does not,
obviously, mention specifics on what judges should be considering for
presentation and workmanship respectively, but it should. This briefing
was discussed with the judges and clerks at dinner before the
masquerade.

Judges’ Instructions

“Excellence deserves award” is your watchword.

I ask that you be serious in granting awards. A serious award with a
funny name is fine. Please don’t grant an award if you don’t think the
entry has real merit. No “joke” awards.

You are encouraged to award “Best in Show” and “Best in Division” (for
each division) if you find such awards are appropriate. For all other
awards, please judge each entry on its own merit.

It’s up to you to decide whether an entry deserves a major or minor
award. Consider, though, that for novice and journeyman division, major
awards indicate you think the entrant deserves a nudge into a more
experienced division.

Please identify “minor” awards by using “Honorable Mention” in the
award name. Anything that doesn’t have “Honorable Mention” in the name
is a major award.

For each award granted, please identify the entry and the competitor
being granted the award. For example:
� you wish to give a child a presentation award for a costume made by
an adult. Name the child.
� you wish to give a workmanship award to the person who did all the
beading on a group entry. Name that person.

If you need help identifying the appropriate person to grant an award,
ask your clerk.

Competitors who have entered re-creation costumes are asked (but not
required) to provide as documentation a color photocopy or print of the
image the costume is based on. You may ignore any documentation beyond
that.

If you think a personal or business relationship with a competitor will
make it difficult to be objective in your judging, please talk to both
me and your fellow judges about the problem, and we’ll come up with
a�reasonable course of action.

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Group: runacc Message: 984 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/9/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 223

On May 9, 2005, at 9:09 AM, Ricky & Karen Dick wrote:

> At 11:06 AM 5/9/2005 +0000, Andrew Trembley wrote:
>> I’d hesitate describing workmanship as “extra credit” as we have
>> enough
>> people repeating the idea that workmanship awards aren’t important. If
>> technique and construction are important, workmanship awards are
>> important and need to be valued as much as presentation awards.
>
> But Workmanship awards ARE extra credit as long as Workmanship judging
> is
> NOT mandatory. And Workmanship judging always has been optional in the
> F&S/F at CC and at the masquerades at general conventions. Plus I’m not
> sure Workmanship judging should be mandatory, as that will open the
> whole
> Historical Masquerade can of worms for the F&S/F–lower numbers of
> entries
> in the masquerade because of people being afraid to enter because of
> the
> workmanship judging, judges needing more time to judge everything so
> the
> necessity of scheduling other times during the con to do individual
> workmanship judging, etc., etc.

Agreed. I just would prefer to avoid using the term “extra credit”
because I believe it would further dilute the perceived value of the
awards.

I have watched (and suffered through judging) the percentage of entries
that take workmanship judging grow a lot in the last few years. Last
year at Noreascon I could count the number of entries that didn’t take
workmanship judging on one hand (well, maybe two).


andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen
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“Anybody who takes this seriously deserves to”
— Donna Barr

 

Group: runacc Message: 985 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/9/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 223

On May 9, 2005, at 8:42 AM, Charles wrote:

> My impression is that this costuming art form has slowly been drifting
> away from it’s ealy orgins, and now has a stong performance aspect. I
> don’t think it would make sense for it to be a simple runway format,
> based on what I have seen.

Actually, what you’re describing is nearly opposite of what has been
happening. Between Pierre’s “Masquerade of Champions” tape and Carl’s
half-time videos, we watched presentation times shorten over the last
two decades from sometimes 5 minutes down to the 45-90 seconds we see
now.


andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
San Jose, CA – ’72 R75/5 ’86 R100 (mine) – ’92 K75sa ’03 R1150R
(Kevin’s)
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Group: runacc Message: 986 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/9/2005
Subject: Judging panel and presentation notes (was Re: [runacc] Digest Numbe

On May 9, 2005, at 7:53 AM, Ricky & Karen Dick wrote:

> I watched about 40% of Pierres judging teaching tape. after each
> segment
> comments were solicited by the folks watching.
> almost 90% of the time, the comments were directed at the routine and
> not
> at the costume.

Yeah, I saw that too. Note that I tried to steer the room towards
costume-related discussion where I could. Unfortunately, the quality of
that tape is pretty degraded and it was very difficult in many cases
(Bloodrites in particular) to make out details.

Some of it just boils down, though, to the basic nature of video. The
viewer’s focus is forced to the camera’s focus, and that’s following
the action of the presentation. About half-way through I realized that
was a serious problem. It’s much more difficult to consider the costume
or group of costumes in this situation.

The judging panel was an experiment, and I think a qualified success.
If we do this panel again (and I would like to) I want to provide the
attendees with more materials for the practical section, including a
checklist of criteria that they should consider when viewing each clip.
The attendees needed a bit more direction.

Since Pierre & Sandy’s is an ICG archives repository, Pierre will be in
a good position to make up a new and better tape when he gets Carl’s
DVDs.


andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen
http://www.bovil.com/
“It’s not pink; it’s peach-colored. Pink is tacky.” –Manfred Pfirsich
Marie Rommel

 

Group: runacc Message: 987 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/9/2005
Subject: Evolution of presentation length (Andy’s comments)

This is very definitely the case (thank goodness). It’s pretty much the
norm on our regional level, at least, anyway.

A lot of that can be attributed to MD indications long before the
masquerade, but also, now that the trend seems to be heavier with Journeymen
and Masters at many venues, they all know better. At the ones where the MDs
allow people to hang themselves, those novices seem to only make the mistake
of running over 1 minute once.

Bruce

—– Original Message —–
From: “Andrew T Trembley” <attrembl@bovil.com>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Digest Number 223

>
> On May 9, 2005, at 8:42 AM, Charles wrote:
> > My impression is that this costuming art form has slowly been drifting
> > away from it’s ealy orgins, and now has a stong performance aspect. I
> > don’t think it would make sense for it to be a simple runway format,
> > based on what I have seen.
>
> Actually, what you’re describing is nearly opposite of what has been
> happening. Between Pierre’s “Masquerade of Champions” tape and Carl’s
> half-time videos, we watched presentation times shorten over the last
> two decades from sometimes 5 minutes down to the 45-90 seconds we see
> now.
>
> —
> andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
> San Jose, CA – ’72 R75/5 ’86 R100 (mine) – ’92 K75sa ’03 R1150R
> (Kevin’s)
> …remaining .sig trimmed for better message/.sig ratio
>
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>

 

Group: runacc Message: 988 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 5/9/2005
Subject: Re: Judging panel and presentation notes (was Re: [runacc] Digest N

A very good point – one I hadn’t considered when Pierre did the panel here,
once. It would be harder to discern the quality of the costume along with
the movement, so there may be an inherent bias by the audience, since
choreography and concept are going to be the most detectable components on
the videos.

I concur that an updated judging panel video is really needed. Something
for CC25, as a panel on masquerade evolution and the judging issues? That’d
give folks plenty of time to put together the necessary clips. 🙂

Bruce

—– Original Message —–
From: “Andrew T Trembley” <attrembl@bovil.com>

> Some of it just boils down, though, to the basic nature of video. The
> viewer’s focus is forced to the camera’s focus, and that’s following
> the action of the presentation. About half-way through I realized that
> was a serious problem. It’s much more difficult to consider the costume
> or group of costumes in this situation.
>
> The judging panel was an experiment, and I think a qualified success.
> If we do this panel again (and I would like to) I want to provide the
> attendees with more materials for the practical section, including a
> checklist of criteria that they should consider when viewing each clip.
> The attendees needed a bit more direction.
>
> Since Pierre & Sandy’s is an ICG archives repository, Pierre will be in
> a good position to make up a new and better tape when he gets Carl’s
> DVDs.
>
> —
> andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen
> http://www.bovil.com/
> “It’s not pink; it’s peach-colored. Pink is tacky.” –Manfred Pfirsich
> Marie Rommel
>
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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Group: runacc Message: 989 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 5/10/2005
Subject: Re: Thoughts After CC23

At 01:55 PM 5/8/2005, you wrote:

>That is exactly what we will be doing for CC26.
>
>There will be a Single Pattern DESIGN contest as part of the Folio.
>
>The intent of the SPC was to encourage people who were afraid of pattern
>drafting to create something for the show. It was not supposed to
>supplant Future Fashion. I hope by rolling it back in we can get the
>best of both… some Future Fashion designs that have a clear suggested
>starting point for the drafting-phobic.
>
>Kevin

I will be very interested in seeing how this works. I’m certainly open to
keeping the concept of the Single Pattern. I think its a great concept. If
we can figure out how to avoid impacting the Future Fashion Show, then I’m
all for it.

Pierre

> >
> > Pierre,
> > Do you think that there is some way to combine the two? Perhaps a
> > “featured pattern” in the folio? If I win my bid for CC28, I am
> planning, at this
> > point, to have the Single Pattern be based on a Trench Coat pattern, to
> fit in
> > with the Spy theme.
> > Henry
> > PS My friend and Char loved the Two Color Doll concept!

“Those Who Fail To Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly —
Why They Are Simply Doomed.

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
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Andromeda

 

Group: runacc Message: 990 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 5/10/2005
Subject: Re: Focus

In a message dated 5/9/2005 5:13:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> Might I suggest we stay on one topic (Pres vs. Work) before we de-railed by
> the whole lighting issue (as interesting as it may be)?

Sorry, Bruce. Just commenting on the comment.
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 991 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 5/11/2005
Subject: Re: Presentation vs Workmanship
This discussion is getting very interesting.

I would like to make a few points.

First, when judging the stage presentation a judge should be appraising the
costume itself first and foremost. Granted in conversation we often compare
this entry to another with a similar theme from x years ago or comment that
y costumer did better work in that other masquerade. However, that’s not
what we should be judging.

Presentation of a costume is important. However, the intent of the
presentation should be the display of the costume. The lighting, music and
choreography choices should all be about showing us the costume. While the
presentation can improve the look of a costume, we shouldn’t be so
distracted from the costume itself.

I can say, without naming specific conventions, that I have seen terrific
presentation that have received no or small awards because the costume was
poor or suffered from some major design flaws.

I agree with Karen, though, that Workmanship will always seem a less
important award until and unless it becomes mandatory. (and I’m not
advocating that)

Pierre

“Those Who Fail To Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly —
Why They Are Simply Doomed.

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C.Y. 4971

Andromeda

 

Group: runacc Message: 992 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 5/11/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 224

Bruce wrote,

>I concur that an updated judging panel video is really needed. Something
>for CC25, as a panel on masquerade evolution and the judging issues? That’d
>give folks plenty of time to put together the necessary clips. 🙂

I think Carl is also trying to get first generation tapes onto dvd to do
this, he certainley borrowed a bunch from us that some at least are the
originals.
also, we are working with him to get some sound editing so we can fix that
which we can’t replace, even in some cases, finding the cd of the music,
and just re-recording it fresh if there are no cuts.

Ricky

 

Group: runacc Message: 993 From: grizzy1955 Date: 5/11/2005
Subject: Re: Presentation vs Workmanship

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Pierre & Sandy Pettinger
<costumrs@r…> wrote:

> I can say, without naming specific conventions, that I have seen

terrific

> presentation that have received no or small awards because the

costume was

> poor or suffered from some major design flaws.

There is no shame in giving the lesser or middle-of-the-road costume
with the terrific presentation a “Best Presentation,” “Most Humorous,”
or “Best Concept” award. But does it deserve a Best In Show, Judge’s
Choice, or Best In Class? Only if the quality of the individual
costume(s) is higher than the other entries in the masquerade.
Ultimately, it still should be about the costumes.

Over the last decade, we have seen more and more “joke” presentations
in the East Coast masquerades, and declining numbers in the
masquerades overall. If judges consistently give the highest awards to
the best schtick vs. the best costumes, there is *no* incentive for
anyone to put the effort into high-quality, serious costumes, and I
think our artform loses something important thereby.

–Karen

 

Group: runacc Message: 994 From: Kevin Roche Date: 5/11/2005
Subject: Re: Presentation vs Workmanship

Andy and I judge BayCon frequently, and we strive valiantly out here to
make sure the Best in Show really is BIS.

BayCon uses its own set of rules, allowing for longer presentations
(closer to anime cosplay, but informed by ICG guidelines. *Especially*
when guild members are on the judging panel, which is most of the time).

One group in particular *usually* does spectacular costumes enhanced by
very entertaining presentations. Their “One Ring Circus” (a LOTR/Moulin
Rouge crossover) was hysterically funny and showed off their fantastic
LOTR recreations to good effect. It was definitely BIS material.

Their Pirates of the Caribbean/Gilbert & Sullivan crossover was not
nearly as effective, and so that year the brass ring (sorry. couldn’t
resist) eluded them. Jack Sparrow, on the other hand (who invaded their
entry from his own, completely in character) had both the character and
costume nailed, and he did win major awards that year.

I suspect I’m simply agreeing vehemently with Karen here.

grizzy1955 wrote:

>
> Over the last decade, we have seen more and more “joke” presentations
> in the East Coast masquerades, and declining numbers in the
> masquerades overall. If judges consistently give the highest awards to
> the best schtick vs. the best costumes, there is *no* incentive for
> anyone to put the effort into high-quality, serious costumes, and I
> think our artform loses something important thereby.
>
> –Karen

 

Group: runacc Message: 995 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/11/2005
Subject: Re: Presentation vs Workmanship

On May 11, 2005, at 4:36 PM, grizzy1955 wrote:

> Over the last decade, we have seen more and more “joke” presentations
> in the East Coast masquerades, and declining numbers in the
> masquerades overall. If judges consistently give the highest awards to
> the best schtick vs. the best costumes, there is *no* incentive for
> anyone to put the effort into high-quality, serious costumes, and I
> think our artform loses something important thereby.

Some folks take the maxim “Short is good, funny is better, short and
funny is best” a little too far.

At internationals (and we’re really talking about CC here, but I’ve
seen the same thing at WorldCon) simple and/or dramatic presentations
tend to take “Best in” awards. Our champion of “funny” is Daren Bost,
and we all know he’s known for whiz-bang costumes in service of the
worst jokes.

Looking to regionals and west-coast locals, there’s quite a bit of
serious work and even the funny presentations usually feature excellent
costumes.

Even at our Anime conventions and furry conventions (where “masquerade”
entries tend to be performance focused) the winners tend to be the ones
with the coolest costumes; perhaps it’s just a regional judging
tradition that’s taken hold.


andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen
http://www.irlm.org/ – mailto:webmaster@irlm.org
“Anybody who takes this seriously deserves to”
— Donna Barr

 

Group: runacc Message: 996 From: grizzy1955 Date: 5/11/2005
Subject: judging

We seem to all be agreeing with each other, on what type of judging is
acceptable, and what things get judged where.

Pierre’s message below makes it pretty plain .

So at what point do we hold judges, and MD’s accountable for things
being askew, and judges having thier own aggendas.
In the mid eighties, panels at some east coast worldcons and regionals
got so out of whack that by the time I was starting to be asked to
judge, ( 1987 or so) the MD or assistant was ALWAYS in the room with
the judges, availible for questions about policy, but also obviously
to me to ‘monitor’ what went down in there. To make sure that there
were no shennanigans.
This also stops one aggresive judge from being a leader back there and
shouting down other opinions.
we all know it happens, but most of the folks reading this won’t let
it happen when they see it. but we all still like to compete and there
are plenty of times when there are judging panels that make you go,
huh?

A strong MD with the briefing list I wrote that no one here has taken
acception to would do a lot to make things run smoother.
The last time I judged, LunaCon 2003 the assistant MD was with us, and
ran the judging, things ran smooth , things ran clean.

So where does the buck stop.

I can see where the next four CC’s will have as much ‘guidance’ as is
felt neccesary in these fields as we all are right here on this list
now. Does that mean it will all stop?
Can the way we run the next few trickle around and effect change?

And on a seperate topic, are judges decisions to be kept to
themselves?
I have always assumed that I would be held responsible for my
decisions and have to speak about them when asked.

From what I can tell, that doesn’t seem to be a universal thought.
For me, if I was MD and asking someone to judge it would ONLY be with
the understanding that they
A- abide by the briefings I gave ( which no one here as said are
wrong)
and 2-That they be willing to explain thier choices, not in full
public, but at least in private should a costumers request that.

I’ve sen judges asked in a public/dead dog forum to answer, and have
them say, no, but I would speak to the one costumer privately, and
thats a great way to handle it.

Ricky

>
> I would like to make a few points.
>
> First, when judging the stage presentation a judge should be

appraising the

> costume itself first and foremost. Granted in conversation we often

compare

> this entry to another with a similar theme from x years ago or

comment that

> y costumer did better work in that other masquerade. However, that’s

not

> what we should be judging.
>
> Presentation of a costume is important. However, the intent of the
> presentation should be the display of the costume. The lighting,

music and

> choreography choices should all be about showing us the costume.

While the

> presentation can improve the look of a costume, we shouldn’t be so
> distracted from the costume itself.
>
> I can say, without naming specific conventions, that I have seen

terrific

> presentation that have received no or small awards because the

costume was

> poor or suffered from some major design flaws.
>
> I agree with Karen, though, that Workmanship will always seem a

less

> important award until and unless it becomes mandatory. (and I’m not
> advocating that)
>
> Pierre
>
>
>
> “Those Who Fail To Learn History
> Are Doomed to Repeat It;
> Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly —
> Why They Are Simply Doomed.
>
> Achemdro’hm
> “The Illusion of Historical Fact”
> — C.Y. 4971
>
> Andromeda

 

Group: runacc Message: 997 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 5/11/2005
Subject: Re: judging

Just so people know, I’m watching this conversation from a distance. I
think I made it fairly plain that I wasn’t happy with all the decisions
that were made at CC23 (as a judge), and I have come to the conclusion
that I would much rather be on the other side of the table as a result.

You’ll find me in the greenroom, onstage, or in the audience, but I’m no
longer interested in participating in the judging aspect of the events,
for reasons I’ll happily share privately if asked.

In this particular case, your mileage won’t vary. My measurements are
accurate.

Betsy

grizzy1955 wrote:

> We seem to all be agreeing with each other, on what type of judging is
> acceptable, and what things get judged where.

[snip]

 

Group: runacc Message: 998 From: Karen Heim Date: 5/11/2005
Subject: Re: judging

I’m sorry you feel that way. I hope I did not contribute to your
discomfort in any way.

As one of your fellow judges, I thought you did an excellent job. There
was some spirited discussion, but I came away very satisfied with the
choices we made. I think we did the best job we could do; it was an
excellent masquerade, as Costume Cons often are. I would gladly do it
again, should anyone wish to ask me sometime in the future.

Karen

Betsy Delaney wrote:

> Just so people know, I’m watching this conversation from a distance. I
> think I made it fairly plain that I wasn’t happy with all the decisions
> that were made at CC23 (as a judge), and I have come to the conclusion
> that I would much rather be on the other side of the table as a result.
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 999 From: David Doering Date: 5/11/2005
Subject: Re: judging
Ricky wrote: “So at what point do we hold judges, and MD’s accountable for
things being askew, and judges having their own agendas.”

As I recall, various cons rejected the ICG model masquerade rules _because_
they seemed to dictate policy and procedure. For CCs, we’re okay to ask for
accountability. But I am not sure how we can hold regular con judges and
MD’s accountable.

I know that with our local con, Conduit, we in the Guild do volunteer to
judge and try to “raise the bar”. However, we sometimes run afoul of the
concom which often asks Writer GoH’s or other guests to also serve as
judges. These guests can have their own notions about judging. This can
cause friction.

Dave Doering

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Group: runacc Message: 1000 From: Karen Heim Date: 5/11/2005
Subject: Re: judging

grizzy1955 wrote:

>
> So at what point do we hold judges, and MD’s accountable for things
> being askew, and judges having thier own aggendas.

As Andy and Pierre said in their judging workshop, all judges have
biases. What the MD has to do is pick judges whose biases balance each
other, so there isn’t one agenda working, but rather a variety of
viewpoints available. This does mean the MD may have to work a little
harder, and go outside the regular recognized pool of potential judges.
Fresh blood is good; no matter how much a particular judge may intend
to be completely open, I think we recognize that it’s easy to get into a
groove with your choices, and a groove over time can become a rut. If a
number of judges are in a similar rut, then the masquerade results all
seem to look the same, which can be discouraging to people who are
trying to push the envelope – often that isn’t rewarded, so a certain
sameness creeps in – and quite frankly, that makes for a boring masquerade.

>
> This also stops one aggresive judge from being a leader back there and
> shouting down other opinions.

This is why 3 judges are an *absolute* minimum for any respectable
judging panel.

>
> we all know it happens, but most of the folks reading this won’t let
> it happen when they see it. but we all still like to compete and there
> are plenty of times when there are judging panels that make you go,
> huh?

Or worse yet, go, “WHAT???” *incredulous facial expression* “You must
be kidding me!” *disgust and indignation*

>
> And on a seperate topic, are judges decisions to be kept to
> themselves?
> I have always assumed that I would be held responsible for my
> decisions and have to speak about them when asked.
>
> >From what I can tell, that doesn’t seem to be a universal thought.
> For me, if I was MD and asking someone to judge it would ONLY be with
> the understanding that they
> A- abide by the briefings I gave ( which no one here as said are
> wrong)
> and 2-That they be willing to explain thier choices, not in full
> public, but at least in private should a costumers request that.
>
> I’ve sen judges asked in a public/dead dog forum to answer, and have
> them say, no, but I would speak to the one costumer privately, and
> thats a great way to handle it.
>

I was confronted by one person at the con suite, who was in a
presentation, but I don’t believe was one of the costume-makers (memory
fails me here). I was taken aback by her approach, which was very
in-my-face, as though I “owed” her an explanation. Thanks go to Pierre,
to whom I was talking at the time, for throwing me a lifeline, which
seemed to take the wind out of her huffiness. She still wasn’t happy,
but she also realized she wasn’t going to get an answer, either – at
least not the answer she wanted, and certainly not in that situation
with that attitude. I waited to see if the costume-makers and
organizers of the presentation had any questions (since I figured she
would go complain to them), but they did not approach me. Maybe they
talked to one of the other judges – I don’t know.

Karen

 

 

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Group: runacc Message: 901 From: Charles Galway Date: 1/12/2005
Subject: Re: Question about supporting memberships and voting
Group: runacc Message: 902 From: Charles Galway Date: 1/12/2005
Subject: Re: Question about supporting memberships and voting
Group: runacc Message: 903 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 1/12/2005
Subject: Reminder of templates (including Site Selection Ballot) on Costume-
Group: runacc Message: 904 From: David Doering Date: 1/12/2005
Subject: CC23 Rate Hike This Week
Group: runacc Message: 905 From: henryosier@cs.com Date: 1/13/2005
Subject: Re: Question about supporting memberships and voting
Group: runacc Message: 906 From: Tina Connell Date: 1/13/2005
Subject: Re: Question about supporting memberships and voting
Group: runacc Message: 907 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 1/13/2005
Subject: Sample Ballot – WHOOPS!!! Please READ!
Group: runacc Message: 908 From: davedoering Date: 1/13/2005
Subject: Re: Sample Ballot
Group: runacc Message: 909 From: Trudy Leonard Date: 1/13/2005
Subject: Re: Sample Ballot
Group: runacc Message: 910 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 1/13/2005
Subject: Re: Sample Ballot
Group: runacc Message: 911 From: Katherine Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: Re: CC23 Rate Hike This Week
Group: runacc Message: 912 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: single pattern
Group: runacc Message: 913 From: Katherine Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: Re: single pattern
Group: runacc Message: 914 From: Byron Connell Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Choosing judges
Group: runacc Message: 915 From: Byron Connell Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Choosing judges
Group: runacc Message: 916 From: Byron Connell Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Choosing judges
Group: runacc Message: 917 From: Byron Connell Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Re: Judges — A Different Aspect
Group: runacc Message: 918 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Re: Judges — A Different Aspect
Group: runacc Message: 919 From: henryosier@cs.com Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Re: Judges — A Different Aspect
Group: runacc Message: 920 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 1/18/2005
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Choosing judges
Group: runacc Message: 921 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 1/19/2005
Subject: Whoops – updates have happened!
Group: runacc Message: 922 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 1/20/2005
Subject: [Fwd: [ICG-D] Re: CostumeCons]
Group: runacc Message: 923 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 1/28/2005
Subject: Note for CC24 website…
Group: runacc Message: 924 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: CC23 Promotional Disc
Group: runacc Message: 925 From: David Doering Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: Re: CC23 Promotional Disc
Group: runacc Message: 926 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 3/4/2005
Subject: Re: CC23 Promotional Disc
Group: runacc Message: 927 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 3/4/2005
Subject: Re: CC23 Promotional Disc
Group: runacc Message: 928 From: bruno Date: 3/4/2005
Subject: Re: CC23 Promotional Disc
Group: runacc Message: 929 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 3/5/2005
Subject: Re: CC23 Promotional Disc
Group: runacc Message: 930 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 3/5/2005
Subject: Re: CC23 Promotional Disc
Group: runacc Message: 931 From: Tina Connell Date: 3/5/2005
Subject: Re: CC23 Promotional Disc
Group: runacc Message: 932 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 3/5/2005
Subject: Re: CC23 Promotional Disc
Group: runacc Message: 933 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 3/5/2005
Subject: Re: CC23 Promotional Disc
Group: runacc Message: 934 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 3/5/2005
Subject: Re: Promotional Discs
Group: runacc Message: 935 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 3/6/2005
Subject: Re: CC23 Promotional Disc
Group: runacc Message: 936 From: Tina Connell Date: 3/7/2005
Subject: Re: CC23 Promotional Disc
Group: runacc Message: 937 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 3/7/2005
Subject: Re: CC23 Promotional Disc
Group: runacc Message: 938 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 3/7/2005
Subject: Re: CC23 Promotional Disc
Group: runacc Message: 939 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 3/8/2005
Subject: Re: CC23 Promotional Disc
Group: runacc Message: 940 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 3/13/2005
Subject: CC25 VCD
Group: runacc Message: 941 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 3/13/2005
Subject: Re: CC23 Promotional Disc
Group: runacc Message: 942 From: David Doering Date: 3/22/2005
Subject: Deadline Extended!
Group: runacc Message: 943 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 3/23/2005
Subject: Re: Deadline Extended!
Group: runacc Message: 944 From: Kevin Roche Date: 4/5/2005
Subject: Imperial Courts and Costume-Cons
Group: runacc Message: 945 From: davedoering Date: 4/14/2005
Subject: Last Call for Program Book Ad Space
Group: runacc Message: 946 From: davedoering Date: 4/14/2005
Subject: Con Suite Sponsorships
Group: runacc Message: 947 From: davedoering Date: 4/14/2005
Subject: Fan Table Reservations–Last Call
Group: runacc Message: 948 From: davedoering Date: 4/24/2005
Subject: Weather for CC23
Group: runacc Message: 949 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 4/24/2005
Subject: Reminder to masquerade/competition directors (especially CC23, but
Group: runacc Message: 950 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 4/26/2005
Subject: Re: Reminder to masquerade/competition directors (especially CC23,

 


 

Group: runacc Message: 901 From: Charles Galway Date: 1/12/2005
Subject: Re: Question about supporting memberships and voting

Kevin,

I’ve been working on the site-vote, and am working on the ballots now. I think we could get current ballot template out for the purpose of promotion, and collecting vote-fees.

Anyway, the web-site template suggests using different checks, and having the voting fee check made out to Costume-Con 26. Do you, (or any other bid-sites) have a problem with the checks being made out that way?

By the way, do let us know what you want/need/request, in regards to promotion at CC-23, i.e. a table in hallway/vendor’s room, Con-suite(yes, he do have your reservation), ads, programming slot, etc.

And also, CC-24, and CC-25, if you are reading this.

Charles
cgalway@xmission
CC-23 site-vote for CC-26

—– Original Message —–
From: Kevin Roche
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 4:05 PM
Subject: [runacc] Question about supporting memberships and voting

This is a question which I think has general application, but I’m going
to phrase it in terms of our (CC26 bid) situation.

We’ve been making CC23 membership forms available at all of our bid
parties. We’ve explained that you must have at least a supporting
membership in CC23 to be eligible to vote for our CC26 bid.

Now that ballots are imminent (Right… they are imminent, aren’t they?)
would it be allowed to provide a copy of the mail-in ballot with the
membership application, so that supporters who cannot attend CC23 could
send in paperwork for a supporting membership and their site selection
ballot at one go?

We would remind them to write 2 checks for the two different fees.

I think this is something other bid committees might want to do down the
road as well…

(Our next bid party is Jan 14, so if this is allowed, the ballots are
actually ready and we could get softcopy of the ballot we could start
this at that party)

Thanks

Kevin

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Group: runacc Message: 902 From: Charles Galway Date: 1/12/2005
Subject: Re: Question about supporting memberships and voting
Also, it looks like I should place the following bidder info onto the ballot:

Location, City, State, Country.
Contact adress, postal code
Facilities
Dates
Chair(s)

Thanks,
Charles
cgalway@xmission.com

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Group: runacc Message: 903 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 1/12/2005
Subject: Reminder of templates (including Site Selection Ballot) on Costume-

This seems like a good time to remind the members of various Costume-Con
committees of the following section on the Costume-Con Archives site:

http://www.costume-con.org/constitution.shtml

On the page you will find links to the templates for the site selection
ballot (which I strongly suggest following for creating the ballot), the
Costume-Con Constitution (which must be reproduced in the Program Book),
and other useful documents for committees still forming and already in
existence.

If you have specific questions about how a document is constructed, what
it contains, or if you think changes are appropriate, please post them here.

A lot of thought and effort has gone into creating the ballot template
specifically because of issues raised during its use since we started
the process.

If you aren’t able to open Word97 files, let me know and I’ll translate
it to an appropriate format (in so far as I am able to do so).

Thanks!!!

Betsy

Charles Galway wrote:

> Also, it looks like I should place the following bidder info onto the ballot:
>
> Location, City, State, Country.
> Contact adress, postal code
> Facilities
> Dates
> Chair(s)
>
> Thanks,
> Charles
> cgalway@xmission.com
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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>



Betsy R. Delaney

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Group: runacc Message: 904 From: David Doering Date: 1/12/2005
Subject: CC23 Rate Hike This Week
The cutoff for the current Costume-Con 23 membership rate is January 16th!!

So hurry and sign-up now at the low $90.00 rate, because on Monday the rate
will go right up.

We do accept credit cards online as well as good ol’ checks and money orders.

So check us out at www.cc23.org right now and SAVE!!

Yours,

The Gentle Con-Com at CC23

 

Group: runacc Message: 905 From: henryosier@cs.com Date: 1/13/2005
Subject: Re: Question about supporting memberships and voting
Also, if it is not too late, make sure there is complete info about the
voter, as in name, address, e-mail address, etc.
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 906 From: Tina Connell Date: 1/13/2005
Subject: Re: Question about supporting memberships and voting

And perhaps a space for Check/cash/amount received/date received. I still
remember having to push hard to get a receipt for site selection that was
scribbled on a piece of lined paper torn out of a notebook. “Your check
will be your receipt” is passé in these days when banks charge extra to let
you see any of your cancelled checks. The more info you have, the easier it
will be to sort out any displaced persons (hopefully, there will be none).

Tina

—– Original Message —–
From: <henryosier@cs.com>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Question about supporting memberships and voting

>
> Also, if it is not too late, make sure there is complete info about the
> voter, as in name, address, e-mail address, etc.
> Henry
>
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Group: runacc Message: 907 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 1/13/2005
Subject: Sample Ballot – WHOOPS!!! Please READ!

Hello.

This is your friendly neighborhood Archivist talking.

Would you all please go visit the link I posted earlier:

http://www.costume-con.org/constitution.shtml

Mea Culpa. You will now find the following:

The reformatted Site Selection Ballot (the one I redid at Atlanta but
failed to upload when I thought I had), in both PDF and Word versions.
If you’ve been to the page recently, you may need to clear your cache,
close the browser, and open it again to clear out the old version of the
Word document.

Please DO NOT use the version of the sample ballot that does not have a
receipt at the bottom of the voting page, and please note that the
ballot is intended to print on a single sheet of paper, back to front.

If you have any questions at all about the Site Selection Process, NOW
IS THE TIME TO ASK!

Yes, you need to have someone manage the process at the site. You are
collecting funds. I can tell you from personal experience that picking
someone who is not good with recording data will mean that someone may
have to make up the difference if a bid fee is not collected or recorded
properly.

Yes, the process needs to be handled by a human being, not by a simple
collection box. If you do use a collection box anyway, you still need to
have that box overseen by someone. At least once during the Site
Selection process, we collected in excess of $600 in voting fees.

Please review the sample and make all the comments you need here in this
forum. Any corrections should be made NO LATER THAN this coming
Wednesday, so that we don’t hold up the process any further for CC23.

Thanks!

Betsy

Tina Connell wrote:

> And perhaps a space for Check/cash/amount received/date received. I still
> remember having to push hard to get a receipt for site selection that was
> scribbled on a piece of lined paper torn out of a notebook. “Your check
> will be your receipt” is passé in these days when banks charge extra to let
> you see any of your cancelled checks. The more info you have, the easier it
> will be to sort out any displaced persons (hopefully, there will be none).
>
> Tina
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: <henryosier@cs.com>
> To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 3:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [runacc] Question about supporting memberships and voting
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>>Also, if it is not too late, make sure there is complete info about the
>>voter, as in name, address, e-mail address, etc.
>>Henry
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Group: runacc Message: 908 From: davedoering Date: 1/13/2005
Subject: Re: Sample Ballot
Question on the ballot template:

The template suggests that a Site Selection check be made out to the
Bid (in our case, CC26).

Wouldn’t it be easier to have the checks made out to the current con
(in our case, CC23)? That way the checks aren’t outstanding for 3-4
months and possibly more if the winning site doesn’t yet have a
checking account.

Or has experience shown otherwise?

Dave D.

 

Group: runacc Message: 909 From: Trudy Leonard Date: 1/13/2005
Subject: Re: Sample Ballot

Dave –

We ran into that problem when I didn’t read over the ballot carefully before
I sent it out. I would suggest that the check be made out to CC26. We had
the checks made out to CC22 and ended up having to deposit the checks and
send one to St. Louis, which meant that there was a delay in their getting
their funds.

Trudy

>From: “davedoering” <dave@techvoice.com>
>Reply-To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
>To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [runacc] Re: Sample Ballot
>Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 01:44:40 -0000
>
>
>Question on the ballot template:
>
>The template suggests that a Site Selection check be made out to the
>Bid (in our case, CC26).
>
>Wouldn’t it be easier to have the checks made out to the current con
>(in our case, CC23)? That way the checks aren’t outstanding for 3-4
>months and possibly more if the winning site doesn’t yet have a
>checking account.
>
>Or has experience shown otherwise?
>
>Dave D.
>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 910 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 1/13/2005
Subject: Re: Sample Ballot

Dave–

Having checks made out to Costume-Con 26

(1) Keeps Costume-Con 23 from having to declare the voting $$ as income,
when it is really CC26’s income.

(2) Keeps the voting funds separate from the con operating funds, so there
can be no question of whose $$ is whose (not an issue with most cons, but
the safeguard is there).

Westercon, Worldcon, etc. have been using this system for years to keep the
money straight, so there must be a good reason.

–Karen

> >From: “davedoering” <dave@techvoice.com>
> >Reply-To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> >To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [runacc] Re: Sample Ballot
> >Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 01:44:40 -0000
> >
> >
> >Question on the ballot template:
> >
> >The template suggests that a Site Selection check be made out to the
> >Bid (in our case, CC26).
> >
> >Wouldn’t it be easier to have the checks made out to the current con
> >(in our case, CC23)? That way the checks aren’t outstanding for 3-4
> >months and possibly more if the winning site doesn’t yet have a
> >checking account.
> >
> >Or has experience shown otherwise?
> >
> >Dave D.
> >
> >
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Group: runacc Message: 911 From: Katherine Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: Re: CC23 Rate Hike This Week

Dear David,

I tried to contact your committee through the CC23 e-mail address with no apparent success. I am considering buying a membership this weekend before the rates go up, but would like some information on the single pattern contest. A friend who is on the ICG list mentioned McCall’s 4940 and 4942, but neither of these patterns exists. Help please?

— Katherine Bonham (formerly Jepson)

—– Original Message —–
From: David Doering
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 6:21 PM
Subject: [runacc] CC23 Rate Hike This Week

The cutoff for the current Costume-Con 23 membership rate is January 16th!!

So hurry and sign-up now at the low $90.00 rate, because on Monday the rate
will go right up.

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Group: runacc Message: 912 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: single pattern

>. A friend who is on the ICG list mentioned McCall’s 4940 and 4942, but
>neither of these patterns exists. Help please?
>
>– Katherine Bonham (formerly Jepson)
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Most likely because they are Simplicity numbers, not McCalls.

Ricky

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Group: runacc Message: 913 From: Katherine Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: Re: single pattern

This helps immensely — Thank you!

— Katherine

—– Original Message —–
From: Ricky & Karen Dick
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 8:17 PM
Subject: [runacc] single pattern

>. A friend who is on the ICG list mentioned McCall’s 4940 and 4942, but
>neither of these patterns exists. Help please?
>
>– Katherine Bonham (formerly Jepson)
> —– Original Message —–

Most likely because they are Simplicity numbers, not McCalls.

Ricky

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Group: runacc Message: 914 From: Byron Connell Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Choosing judges

Maybe my example is not typical. As I said, it took 15 years before I was willing to direct another masquerade. However, here and now, I commit myself to follow the approach we used for CC10’s FS&F masquerade in deciding on judges for the cc24 and 25 historical masquerades.

I like the approach Bruce the Lesser suggested and may try approaching chapters for suggestions along that line.

Obviously, I can’t speak for any other MD, but I hope that the cc24 and 25 FS&F directors will look seriously at the range of potential judges instead of simply falling back on “the old guard.”

Byron (trying to make a difference)

—– Original Message —–
From: Bruce & Nora Mai<mailto:casamai@sbcglobal.net>
To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com<mailto:ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 7:14 AM
Subject: [ICG-D] Choosing judges

Then how does one become a judge? If a person is qualified & available but
outside of the standard judging pool, how can we get an MD to consider such
a person?
MDs are human and tend to choose from those they already know. Hopefully
they decide early enough that a person could consciously choose not to
participate in the masq if asked to judge. Your example (at least 2/3 new)
is not typical.
A new point of view is always good.

Nora

—– Original Message —–
From: “Byron Connell” <bpconnell@verizon.net>
> Should individuals volunteer to serve as judges? Certainly not in public
and probably not at all. (I know one MD who absolutely refused to consider
someone who put him- or herself forward to be a judge.)

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Group: runacc Message: 915 From: Byron Connell Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Choosing judges

That’s great suggestion. Dana, can we fit such a panel in at cc23?

If not maybe we can get it on the schedule at 24, 25, and/or 26.

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: Lisa A. Ashton<mailto:lisa58@juno.com>
To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com<mailto:ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 8:04 AM
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Choosing judges

This has always been a mystery to me. I remember the very first time I
was asked to be a judge, and I was so knocked out!–I thought, “Wow, I”ve
really made it now!”. Since then I”ve judged maybe a dozen times, was
actually asked to be a CC judge about 5 years ago, but I was absolutely
set on competing that time….

I’ve been to a few CC panels on Judging, but I think it would be great if
costume programming could include a discussion on it this year at CC.
Not the usual panel “What are the Judges looking for”, but discussion of
how to be a judge. This could be informative to a lot of people>

Anyway I hope this panel will show up this year>

yours in costuming< lisa a>
who is having a keyboard problem right now and doesn”t know what she did
wrong

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Group: runacc Message: 916 From: Byron Connell Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Choosing judges

Those sound like good criteria.

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: randwhit@aol.com<mailto:randwhit@aol.com>
To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com<mailto:ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Choosing judges

In a message dated 1/14/05 6:08:06 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
lisa58@juno.com<mailto:lisa58@juno.com> writes:

> This has always been a mystery to me. I remember the very first time I
> was asked to be a judge, and I was so knocked out!–I thought, “Wow, I”ve
> really made it now!”. Since then I”ve judged maybe a dozen times, was
> actually asked to be a CC judge about 5 years ago, but I was absolutely
> set on competing that time….

I can’t speak for anyone else since I’ve never directed or judged outside of
a few Arizona small local cons.

If I (as MD) ask you to be a masquerade judge, all of the following criteria
have been satisfied.

–You have a reputation for being knowledgable about costuming or some
special aspect of costuming relevent to the event.

–You have a reputation for being able to work well with other members of a
judging panel.

–You have a reputation for being able to make up your mind in a reasonable
amount of time without keeping the audience waiting.

–You are planning to be at the particular convention and are willing to
serve.

Reputation may consist of well-dispersed hearsay, my own impressions, or the
opinions of persons I trust.

I’m always glad to hear from potential judge volunteers. Please understand
that this volunteering adds your name to the “talent pool” but does not
automatically mean you will be invited to judge this particular masquerade. Sometimes
I have contacted people many months in advance, or have been asked by the
Convention Chair to include the con’s guests of honor. I’ll remember you next time.

There have been bite-my-tongue situations. I remember one time when a friend
volunteered her mother as a judge. The friend had no particular reputation for
costuming and I’d never met Mom, so I really knew nothing. Mom wasn’t
planning to be at the con, so hiring her for a judge would have cost the concom a
free badge.

Randall
Just rambling

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Group: runacc Message: 917 From: Byron Connell Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Re: Judges — A Different Aspect

I’d like to raise a different aspect of this discussion on selection of judges. Once a masquerade director has chosen the judges, he or she has two ways to go:

1. Keep the names secret.

2. Publish the names in advance for all to see.

IME, most MDs tend to keep the names of the judges secret until curtain time. The reason generally given for doing so is to prevent entrants from attempting to influence the judges in advance. On the other hand, I have seen many, many occasions when a costumer says, “Don’t tell me. I’m one of the judges.” This indicates that the judge is not concerned about keeping his or her role secret or about being influenced unduly. The problem of inadvertent exposure of a judge to an entry may be minimized if the composition of the panel is know in in advance.

On the other hand, it can be said that public announcement of the composition of the panel may lead to entrants skewing their entries to please particular judges’ interests, to refraining from entering, or to challenging the appropriateness of the composition of the panel.

What do you think?

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: henryosier@cs.com<mailto:henryosier@cs.com>
To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com<mailto:ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 6:32 PM
Subject: [ICG-D] Re: Judges

When I finally convinced Dave that I was serious abut running the SF&F at
CC23, I quickly lined up my judges. My two biggest criterias were finding people
that people didn’t think of as judges and people from different locations than
usual. I know that there is, supposedly, a big east coast versus west coast
thing, but I’m in the Midwest and I am new to the scene. If there is some
rivalry, it means nothing to me! Besides, we here in the Midwest, are starting to
make quite a name for ourselves! CC16: St. Louis, CC21, Chicago, CC24 Des
Moines, CC25 St. Louis again. We’re here! We drink beer! Get used to us!
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 918 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Re: Judges — A Different Aspect

Byron Connell wrote:

> On the other hand, it can be said that public announcement of the

composition of the panel may lead to entrants skewing their entries to
please particular judges’ interests, to refraining from entering, or to
challenging the appropriateness of the composition of the panel.

‘k

I prefer announcing judges in advance, but I totally get what you’re
saying here.

Of course, (back to my CC21 example) I knew in picking you and Dana it
would balance between Dana’s aversion to historical-based designs and
your interest in historical-based design.

I also knew nobody would have the foggiest idea what Letha’s tastes ran to.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 919 From: henryosier@cs.com Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Re: Judges — A Different Aspect

In a message dated 1/16/05 9:40:50 PM Central Standard Time,
bpconnell@verizon.net writes:

> 1. Keep the names secret.

That has been what I have been doing for CC23. Dora, my wonderful #2, and I
know who they are, they know who they are, but that’s it. When I compete, I
don’t really care who the judges are because it can distract from concentrating
on my performance. I feel the opposite when running a masq. Who the judges are
should not change someone’s planned presentation/performance.

Henry Osier

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Group: runacc Message: 920 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 1/18/2005
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Choosing judges

Some interesting thoughts here, and it apparently hasn’t lost its legs on
the D list yet. I’ll try not to repeat myself too much.

Nora, Karen H and I have talked about this subject many times.

Remarks on the thoughts here so far:

> I like the approach Bruce the Lesser suggested and may try approaching

chapters for suggestions along that line.

>
> Obviously, I can’t speak for any other MD, but I hope that the cc24 and 25

FS&F directors will look seriously at the range of potential judges instead
of simply falling back on “the old guard.”

>
> Byron (trying to make a difference)

As I said on the D, I’m not sure BTL’s/Bruno’s ideas are workable, but I’d
certainly be interested in seeing further discussion on a system for coming
up with a panel/database. I think a good question was raised, though, on
what determines the criteria of qualifications. Naturally, I can’t find the
damn e-mail now, but –what would determine one’s qualifications/reputation
as Byron outlined? While they’re good guidelines, who would decide?

(I think) Betsy said that one could figure out who’s been a judge at CC by
checking the site. Well, Nora and I (apparently having nothing better to
do), decided to run the numbers. Some results we expected, while others
proved to be unfounded.

The people who have been judges (either Workmanship, Presentation or both)
the most times over the history of CC were:

Peggy Kennedy 6
Diane Kovalcin 6
Victoria Ridenour 5
Rob Himmelsbach 4
Other people who have judged in some capacity 3 times:
Butterfield, Adrian
Connell, Byron
Gear, Martin
Martz, Carolyn Kayta
McDermott, Bruce
McDermott, Dana
Mercier/Gill, Patti

On the issue of publising judges names, I think it’s a better idea to do so.
I’ll grnat you, Randall’s correct, though — sometimes you have last minute
cancellations. But most people aren’t going to go to the trouble of
creating a costume just to suck up to a particular judge (unless maybe
they’re a celebrity). By keeping things secret, there is a (small) danger
of someone accidentally letting on to a judge about their costume, at which
point the judge would have to excuse themselves from listening anymore.

Bruce

 

Group: runacc Message: 921 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 1/19/2005
Subject: Whoops – updates have happened!
Hi!

I’ve just gone in and updated the Costume-ConNections site
(http://www.Costume-Con.org/) to include the bidding info for CC26. I
believe it was already announced, but I’ll do it again, just pro-forma.
Only one official bid was received after the deadline expired (with
authorization from the Service Mark Holders), and that bid is Kevin and
Andy’s.

The ballot for Site Selection will be arriving in a mailbox near you,
assuming you have at least a Supporting Membership in CC23.

On the Costume-ConNections site you will now find links to the bid’s Bid
Letter, Committee List and Constitution.

More information will be available on the site as I have it…

Cheers,

Betsy



Betsy R. Delaney

The Lame Duck Presidency starts now. 11/4/04

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Group: runacc Message: 922 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 1/20/2005
Subject: [Fwd: [ICG-D] Re: CostumeCons]

Hi, folks!

If a request like the one below appears on ICG-D more than twice, it’s a
ding to your credibility. Unless you’re sending out monthly PRs (and I’m
not suggesting you should), the web site is your best method for getting
info to your members in a timely way.

If this info is already on the CC23 web site, someone should send an
update to the ICG-D list. If not, it should get there Real Soon Now.

I’m also having trouble downloading the CC23 Folio PDF (and I’m not the
only one), so I’ll make this offer here, for anyone who’s interested. I
have a full copy of Adobe Acrobat. I’m not afraid to use it. If you have
a document in need of conversion, send it to me and I will convert it
for you.

Just please give me a couple of days’ lead time. Life is very crazy
around here right now, since I’m closing my web site design company.
I’ve got piles of stuff to go through, and I may not respond
immediately. If I’ve failed to get to something within what *you*
consider to be a reasonable amount of time, PLEASE contact me and I’ll
get right on it. I won’t be offended – just apologetic!

Thanks!!!

Betsy

——– Original Message ——–
Subject: [ICG-D] Re: CostumeCons
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:16:19 -0000
From: Julie Zetterberg Sardo <Nebula5@aol.com>
Reply-To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com
To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com

— In ICG-D@yahoogroups.com, Pierre & Sandy Pettinger
<costumrs@r…> wrote:

> At 07:59 PM 12/15/2004, you wrote:
> >2) Does anyone know if Utah has come up with a single pattern

decision yet?

>
>
> I spoke to Dave Doering last night. They have made a decision on a

Single

> Pattern and it will be on the website soon. They are
>
> The Lord of the Rings patterns: 4940, 4942
>
> As I understand it, these are one male and one female pattern.

I still don’t see anything on the website about this. Are there
rules to this event? I’ve never participated in the single pattern
contest at a CC, so don’t know how it is run, and what the
requirements are for entering. I would like to decide whether to
make an outfit from the folio or one of the patterns, and it’s hard
to decide which without some guidelines.

Pending further official clarification, can someone clue me in on how
it works?

–Julie ZS



Betsy R. Delaney

The Lame Duck Presidency starts now. 11/4/04

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Group: runacc Message: 923 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 1/28/2005
Subject: Note for CC24 website…
Please add a headline to the FFF page saying that you’re now accepting
entries. Can’t hurt.


andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen
http://www.irlm.org/ – mailto:webmaster@irlm.org
“Anybody who takes this seriously deserves to”
— Donna Barr

 

Group: runacc Message: 924 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: CC23 Promotional Disc
Hey Dave!
About this disc you sent in your promo packet – it doesn’t want to work –
anywhere.
In our DVD player (which is multi-format and plays just about everything) we
got a disk error.
In the DVD drive in our computer it didn’t read at all – not even as
present.
When I put it in the CD drive (just to see what it was) – it froze up the
whole computer.
Is it just this disc or are others having problems?

Nifty idea, BTW, where’d you come up with that?

Nora

 

Group: runacc Message: 925 From: David Doering Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: Re: CC23 Promotional Disc

>Nora Mai reports her Promo DVD doesn’t work.

Sorry about that. Of course, I tried to test each prior to shipping, but
couldn’t. So let me send you another that I have tested.

Of course, if anyone else has a similar problem, let me know!

Nora also asked: “Nifty idea, BTW, where’d you come up with that?”

Thank you. Partly the idea came about because our venue really required
more than a picture or floor plan to convey what contestants might want to
know about performing there. Second, curiously enough, the idea was sparked
by the local Convention and Visitors Bureau which had their own promo video
made for the Olympics. I thought, if they could do it, why not us?

Dave Doering

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Group: runacc Message: 926 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 3/4/2005
Subject: Re: CC23 Promotional Disc

Actually CC15 mailed out a video tour of their hotel (a nice period hotel
that had been refurbished) and CC25 gave out a promo packet with a VCD
slide-show tour of St Louis.
BTW – did anyone ever look at that? I spent a lot of time racing around town
doing guerilla photography to accumulate those slides; it’d be nice to know
that someone actually looked at them.

Nora

—– Original Message —–
From: “David Doering” <dave@techvoice.com>
> Nora also asked: “Nifty idea, BTW, where’d you come up with that?”
>
> Thank you. Partly the idea came about because our venue really required
> more than a picture or floor plan to convey what contestants might want to
> know about performing there. Second, curiously enough, the idea was
sparked
> by the local Convention and Visitors Bureau which had their own promo
video
> made for the Olympics. I thought, if they could do it, why not us?

 

Group: runacc Message: 927 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 3/4/2005
Subject: Re: CC23 Promotional Disc

In a message dated 3/4/2005 8:35:15 AM Central Standard Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> and CC25 gave out a promo packet with a VCD
> slide-show tour of St Louis.

You did? I didn’t get one. There’s a small crowd in Milwaukee that I am
trying to persuade to go to your next CC and it could help.
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 928 From: bruno Date: 3/4/2005
Subject: Re: CC23 Promotional Disc

First I’ve heard of the promo discs for CC23 or CC25. Who were they sent to?

Michael

——-Original Message——-

> From: osierhenry@cs.com
> Subject: Re: [runacc] CC23 Promotional Disc
> Sent: 04 Mar 2005 21:46:01
>
> In a message dated 3/4/2005 8:35:15 AM Central Standard Time,
> casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:
> > and CC25 gave out a promo packet with a VCD
> > slide-show tour of St Louis.
> You did? I didn’t get one. There’s a small crowd in Milwaukee that I am
> trying to persuade to go to your next CC and it could help.
> Henry

 

Group: runacc Message: 929 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 3/5/2005
Subject: Re: CC23 Promotional Disc

CC10 did a video also – a tour of the hotel, with me in my Mae West on the
curved oak staircase, another committee member in Klingon kit next to the
Gemini capsule (that used to sit on the college campus, is now at a museum
in Kansas), and Pierre as caveman petting one of the mastodon skeletons in
the Natural History museum.

Sandy

>Actually CC15 mailed out a video tour of their hotel (a nice period hotel
>that had been refurbished) and CC25 gave out a promo packet with a VCD
>slide-show tour of St Louis.
>
>
>Nora
>—– Original Message —–
>From: “David Doering” <dave@techvoice.com>
> > Nora also asked: “Nifty idea, BTW, where’d you come up with that?”
> >

“Those Who Fail To Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly —
Why They Are Simply Doomed.

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C.Y. 4971

Andromeda

 

Group: runacc Message: 930 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 3/5/2005
Subject: Re: CC23 Promotional Disc

Henry & Mike:
As soon as this weekend’s over I’ll burn a couple more and send them your
way.
ANyone else?

Nora

—– Original Message —–
From: “bruno” <bruno@soulmasque.com>

> First I’ve heard of the promo discs for CC23 or CC25. Who were they sent
to?
>
>
> Michael
>
> ——-Original Message——-
> > From: osierhenry@cs.com
> > Subject: Re: [runacc] CC23 Promotional Disc
> > Sent: 04 Mar 2005 21:46:01
> >
> > In a message dated 3/4/2005 8:35:15 AM Central Standard Time,
> > casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:
> > > and CC25 gave out a promo packet with a VCD
> > > slide-show tour of St Louis.
> > You did? I didn’t get one. There’s a small crowd in Milwaukee that I am
> > trying to persuade to go to your next CC and it could help.
> > Henry

 

Group: runacc Message: 931 From: Tina Connell Date: 3/5/2005
Subject: Re: CC23 Promotional Disc

Just as a matter of curiosity, does Carl have copies of these (CC-10 &
CC-15, as well as the current ones) for the Archives? It strikes me that
this is a very interesting piece of CC memorabilia which should be
preserved. The old videos could be copied to CD or DVD.

These videos are things I wouldn’t mind seeing at some point, just as a
matter of personal curiosity (I didn’t even know about the CC-10 & 15 ones,
but they sound interesting). Why not bring copies to Utah, and have a
screening at some point? I’m sure that others would be interested as well,
particularly anyone thinking about hosting a CC themselves.

Tina

—– Original Message —–
From: “Bruce & Nora Mai” <casamai@sbcglobal.net>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: [runacc] CC23 Promotional Disc

>
> Actually CC15 mailed out a video tour of their hotel (a nice period hotel
> that had been refurbished) and CC25 gave out a promo packet with a VCD
> slide-show tour of St Louis.
> BTW – did anyone ever look at that? I spent a lot of time racing around
> town
> doing guerilla photography to accumulate those slides; it’d be nice to
> know
> that someone actually looked at them.
>
> Nora
> —– Original Message —–
> From: “David Doering” <dave@techvoice.com>
>> Nora also asked: “Nifty idea, BTW, where’d you come up with that?”
>>
>> Thank you. Partly the idea came about because our venue really required
>> more than a picture or floor plan to convey what contestants might want
>> to
>> know about performing there. Second, curiously enough, the idea was
> sparked
>> by the local Convention and Visitors Bureau which had their own promo
> video
>> made for the Olympics. I thought, if they could do it, why not us?
>
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 932 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 3/5/2005
Subject: Re: CC23 Promotional Disc

As a matter of course, I have kept our archive copy of the CCXV pre-bid
promo tape. Heck, I think I still have all the parts that made the tape,
too, but not handy.

I should probably be acquiring copies of the remaining promos for the
Costume-Con Archives (which are separately maintained, I may remind
people) from the ICG Archives.

We’ll be flying, so if people want to send an official copy for the CC
Archives, they should probably go to my mailing address. I can’t even
begin to promise that I can compile these onto DVD, since I am in the
process of shutting down WebInvent permanently (at the end of this
month), but I can attempt to transfer what I already have. I’ve been
meaning to test my equipment anyway….

Betsy

Tina Connell wrote:

> Just as a matter of curiosity, does Carl have copies of these (CC-10 &
> CC-15, as well as the current ones) for the Archives? It strikes me that
> this is a very interesting piece of CC memorabilia which should be
> preserved. The old videos could be copied to CD or DVD.
>
> These videos are things I wouldn’t mind seeing at some point, just as a
> matter of personal curiosity (I didn’t even know about the CC-10 & 15 ones,
> but they sound interesting). Why not bring copies to Utah, and have a
> screening at some point? I’m sure that others would be interested as well,
> particularly anyone thinking about hosting a CC themselves.
>
> Tina
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: “Bruce & Nora Mai” <casamai@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 9:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [runacc] CC23 Promotional Disc
>
>
>
>>Actually CC15 mailed out a video tour of their hotel (a nice period hotel
>>that had been refurbished) and CC25 gave out a promo packet with a VCD
>>slide-show tour of St Louis.
>>BTW – did anyone ever look at that? I spent a lot of time racing around
>>town
>>doing guerilla photography to accumulate those slides; it’d be nice to
>>know
>>that someone actually looked at them.
>>
>>Nora
>>—– Original Message —–
>>From: “David Doering” <dave@techvoice.com>
>>
>>>Nora also asked: “Nifty idea, BTW, where’d you come up with that?”
>>>
>>>Thank you. Partly the idea came about because our venue really required
>>>more than a picture or floor plan to convey what contestants might want
>>>to
>>>know about performing there. Second, curiously enough, the idea was
>>
>>sparked
>>
>>>by the local Convention and Visitors Bureau which had their own promo
>>
>>video
>>
>>>made for the Olympics. I thought, if they could do it, why not us?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
>>Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



Betsy R. Delaney

The Lame Duck Presidency starts now. 11/4/04

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Group: runacc Message: 933 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 3/5/2005
Subject: Re: CC23 Promotional Disc

In a message dated 3/5/2005 7:38:55 AM Central Standard Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> As soon as this weekend’s over I’ll burn a couple more and send them your
> way.

Thank you very much, Nora!
Henry

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 934 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 3/5/2005
Subject: Re: Promotional Discs

We have a copy of the CC25 disc set aside (along with our other promotional
materials thus far) for both Carl & Karen Dick.

But anyone is welcome to a copy of our VCD slide show – it’s a tour of
significant landmarks in St. Louis, runs about 30 minutes.

Has anyone who received one looked at it yet? I’d love feedback.

Nora

—– Original Message —–
From: “Tina Connell” <connell-t1@verizon.net>
> Just as a matter of curiosity, does Carl have copies of these (CC-10 &
> CC-15, as well as the current ones) for the Archives? It strikes me that
> this is a very interesting piece of CC memorabilia which should be
> preserved. The old videos could be copied to CD or DVD.
>
> These videos are things I wouldn’t mind seeing at some point, just as a
> matter of personal curiosity (I didn’t even know about the CC-10 & 15
ones,
> but they sound interesting). Why not bring copies to Utah, and have a
> screening at some point? I’m sure that others would be interested as
well,
> particularly anyone thinking about hosting a CC themselves.
>
> Tina

 

Group: runacc Message: 935 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 3/6/2005
Subject: Re: CC23 Promotional Disc

At 07:52 AM 3/5/2005, you wrote:

>Just as a matter of curiosity, does Carl have copies of these (CC-10 &
>CC-15, as well as the current ones) for the Archives? It strikes me that
>this is a very interesting piece of CC memorabilia which should be
>preserved. The old videos could be copied to CD or DVD.
>
>These videos are things I wouldn’t mind seeing at some point, just as a
>matter of personal curiosity (I didn’t even know about the CC-10 & 15 ones,
>but they sound interesting). Why not bring copies to Utah, and have a
>screening at some point? I’m sure that others would be interested as well,
>particularly anyone thinking about hosting a CC themselves.

We’ll have to see if we can find a copy. We think we still have one around
somewhere.

Pierre

>Tina
>
>—– Original Message —–
>From: “Bruce & Nora Mai” <casamai@sbcglobal.net>
>To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 9:18 AM
>Subject: Re: [runacc] CC23 Promotional Disc
>
>
> >
> > Actually CC15 mailed out a video tour of their hotel (a nice period hotel
> > that had been refurbished) and CC25 gave out a promo packet with a VCD
> > slide-show tour of St Louis.
> > BTW – did anyone ever look at that? I spent a lot of time racing around
> > town
> > doing guerilla photography to accumulate those slides; it’d be nice to
> > know
> > that someone actually looked at them.
> >
> > Nora
> > —– Original Message —–
> > From: “David Doering” <dave@techvoice.com>
> >> Nora also asked: “Nifty idea, BTW, where’d you come up with that?”
> >>
> >> Thank you. Partly the idea came about because our venue really required
> >> more than a picture or floor plan to convey what contestants might want
> >> to
> >> know about performing there. Second, curiously enough, the idea was
> > sparked
> >> by the local Convention and Visitors Bureau which had their own promo
> > video
> >> made for the Olympics. I thought, if they could do it, why not us?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

“Those Who Fail To Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly —
Why They Are Simply Doomed.

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C.Y. 4971

Andromeda

 

Group: runacc Message: 936 From: Tina Connell Date: 3/7/2005
Subject: Re: CC23 Promotional Disc

You’re right, Betsy – I mis-spoke. I should have remembered that there are
two separate archives. The sentiment re: the value of archiving this
material still remains, however.

Tina

—– Original Message —–
From: “Betsy Delaney” <bdelaney@hawkeswood.com>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] CC23 Promotional Disc

>
> As a matter of course, I have kept our archive copy of the CCXV pre-bid
> promo tape. Heck, I think I still have all the parts that made the tape,
> too, but not handy.
>
> I should probably be acquiring copies of the remaining promos for the
> Costume-Con Archives (which are separately maintained, I may remind
> people) from the ICG Archives.
>
> We’ll be flying, so if people want to send an official copy for the CC
> Archives, they should probably go to my mailing address. I can’t even
> begin to promise that I can compile these onto DVD, since I am in the
> process of shutting down WebInvent permanently (at the end of this
> month), but I can attempt to transfer what I already have. I’ve been
> meaning to test my equipment anyway….
>
> Betsy
>
> Tina Connell wrote:
>> Just as a matter of curiosity, does Carl have copies of these (CC-10 &
>> CC-15, as well as the current ones) for the Archives? It strikes me that
>> this is a very interesting piece of CC memorabilia which should be
>> preserved. The old videos could be copied to CD or DVD.
>>
>> These videos are things I wouldn’t mind seeing at some point, just as a
>> matter of personal curiosity (I didn’t even know about the CC-10 & 15
>> ones,
>> but they sound interesting). Why not bring copies to Utah, and have a
>> screening at some point? I’m sure that others would be interested as
>> well,
>> particularly anyone thinking about hosting a CC themselves.
>>
>> Tina

 

Group: runacc Message: 937 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 3/7/2005
Subject: Re: CC23 Promotional Disc

Yeah, we’ve got a set for Betsy, too.
BTW, Betsy – do you want it all? PRs, flyers, all the paper stuff and
everything?
We’ve got a committee member in charge of gathering all the stuff for the
archivists – if you’d rather only have select items, let us know.

Nora

—– Original Message —–
From: “Tina Connell” <connell-t1@verizon.net>
> You’re right, Betsy – I mis-spoke. I should have remembered that there
are
> two separate archives. The sentiment re: the value of archiving this
> material still remains, however.
>
> Tina
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: “Betsy Delaney” <bdelaney@hawkeswood.com>
> To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 5:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [runacc] CC23 Promotional Disc
>
>
> >
> > As a matter of course, I have kept our archive copy of the CCXV pre-bid
> > promo tape. Heck, I think I still have all the parts that made the tape,
> > too, but not handy.
> >
> > I should probably be acquiring copies of the remaining promos for the
> > Costume-Con Archives (which are separately maintained, I may remind
> > people) from the ICG Archives.
> >
> > We’ll be flying, so if people want to send an official copy for the CC
> > Archives, they should probably go to my mailing address. I can’t even
> > begin to promise that I can compile these onto DVD, since I am in the
> > process of shutting down WebInvent permanently (at the end of this
> > month), but I can attempt to transfer what I already have. I’ve been
> > meaning to test my equipment anyway….
> >
> > Betsy

 

Group: runacc Message: 938 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 3/7/2005
Subject: Re: CC23 Promotional Disc

I’ll take everything people are willing to throw my way.

Really!

-b

Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> Yeah, we’ve got a set for Betsy, too.
> BTW, Betsy – do you want it all? PRs, flyers, all the paper stuff and
> everything?
> We’ve got a committee member in charge of gathering all the stuff for the
> archivists – if you’d rather only have select items, let us know.
>
> Nora
> —– Original Message —–
> From: “Tina Connell” <connell-t1@verizon.net>
>
>>You’re right, Betsy – I mis-spoke. I should have remembered that there
>
> are
>
>>two separate archives. The sentiment re: the value of archiving this
>>material still remains, however.
>>
>>Tina
>>
>>—– Original Message —–
>>From: “Betsy Delaney” <bdelaney@hawkeswood.com>
>>To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
>>Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 5:57 PM
>>Subject: Re: [runacc] CC23 Promotional Disc
>>
>>
>>
>>>As a matter of course, I have kept our archive copy of the CCXV pre-bid
>>>promo tape. Heck, I think I still have all the parts that made the tape,
>>>too, but not handy.
>>>
>>>I should probably be acquiring copies of the remaining promos for the
>>>Costume-Con Archives (which are separately maintained, I may remind
>>>people) from the ICG Archives.
>>>
>>>We’ll be flying, so if people want to send an official copy for the CC
>>>Archives, they should probably go to my mailing address. I can’t even
>>>begin to promise that I can compile these onto DVD, since I am in the
>>>process of shutting down WebInvent permanently (at the end of this
>>>month), but I can attempt to transfer what I already have. I’ve been
>>>meaning to test my equipment anyway….
>>>
>>>Betsy
>
>
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



Betsy R. Delaney

The Lame Duck Presidency starts now. 11/4/04

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http://www.Costume-Con.org/ * http://www.sickpups.org/
http://www.SchoolWithoutWalls.org/
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Group: runacc Message: 939 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 3/8/2005
Subject: Re: CC23 Promotional Disc

In a message dated 3/7/2005 9:43:39 PM Central Standard Time,
bdelaney@hawkeswood.com writes:

> I’ll take everything people are willing to throw my way.

Betsy,
I have surplus stuff from CC21, besides a bunch of stuff on CD-ROM
that I will be sending to you before CC23. Need anything that I might have?
Henry

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 940 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 3/13/2005
Subject: CC25 VCD
I know Henry & Mike inquired – does anyone else want a copy?
I’m going to try and burn them this week.

Nora

 

Group: runacc Message: 941 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 3/13/2005
Subject: Re: CC23 Promotional Disc

Received and works fine. We’ll show it at the nexy get together.

Nora

—– Original Message —–
From: “David Doering” <dave@techvoice.com>
> Sorry about that. Of course, I tried to test each prior to shipping, but
> couldn’t. So let me send you another that I have tested.

 

Group: runacc Message: 942 From: David Doering Date: 3/22/2005
Subject: Deadline Extended!
Various guild chapters and con-coms asked if we couldn’t extend our
membership rate deadline so that they could host their March meetings or
convention. So that’s what we’ve done!

We have extended our $95 Full Attending Membership rate until April 3,
2005, to allow for these groups to spread the word about Costume-Con 23 and
join us.

We look forward to hosting everyone!

Dave Doering
Costume-Con 23
www.cc23.org

 

Group: runacc Message: 943 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 3/23/2005
Subject: Re: Deadline Extended!

Hey, Dave!

You may want to post this info on the ICG-D list as well, so people see
it there.
Cheers!

Betsy

David Doering wrote:

> Various guild chapters and con-coms asked if we couldn’t extend our
> membership rate deadline so that they could host their March meetings or
> convention. So that’s what we’ve done!
>
> We have extended our $95 Full Attending Membership rate until April 3,
> 2005, to allow for these groups to spread the word about Costume-Con 23 and
> join us.
>
> We look forward to hosting everyone!
>
> Dave Doering
> Costume-Con 23
> www.cc23.org
>
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



Betsy R. Delaney

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http://www.Costume-Con.org/ * http://www.sickpups.org/
http://www.SchoolWithoutWalls.org/
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Group: runacc Message: 944 From: Kevin Roche Date: 4/5/2005
Subject: Imperial Courts and Costume-Cons
I spent some time this weekend contacting the Imperial Rainbow Court of
Northern Utah, aka the Ogden chapter of the Imperial Court System.

While the Monarchs will be out of town, they were really excited to hear
about CC and some of them will be showing up at CC23 on least one day.
They are also helping me find some cast members for an exhibition piece
I’ll be doing at the con.

However — they hadn’t heard about CC23 yet! (I know Dave and Charles
had buckets on their plates, so this isn’t really meant as a slam at
them). Andy and I have been promoting CC in general on all our Court
trips, but the word sometimes spreads more slowly that way, since CC
isn’t an Imperial function.

So, a word to the wise for Costume-Con committees — Check out your
local chapter of the Imperial Court now! Send someone to one or two of
their events. Walk as an in-town organization at their Coronation, if
possible…

There is a huge amount of costume and performance talent in the ICS that
LOVES the idea of something like Costume-Con. It should only take a
little effort on your part to get some of them involved.

Kevin
CC26 in Silicon Valley? bid committee
aka Absolute Emperor 34 of the IRLM

 

Group: runacc Message: 945 From: davedoering Date: 4/14/2005
Subject: Last Call for Program Book Ad Space
We are going to the press next week with the Program Book. Any and all
groups interested in ad space should contact us immediately.

This year’s version is 8 1/2″ x 11″, about 40 pages, with a color
cover. Rates are as follows:

Full Page: $125
Half Page: $75
Quarter Page: $40

We accept MS Word and TIFF formatted files.

Please forward this e-mail to any and all interested parties.

Thank you!

The Costume-Con 23 ConCom

 

Group: runacc Message: 946 From: davedoering Date: 4/14/2005
Subject: Con Suite Sponsorships
This is the last call for any and all groups interested in sponsoring a
night in the Costume-Con 23 Con Suite!

Saturday Night is reserved for the CC26–San Jose Bid.

Our rate is just $75, plus whatever food you want to offer.

Please forward this to any and all lists or committees.

Thanks,

The Costume-Con 23 ConCom

 

Group: runacc Message: 947 From: davedoering Date: 4/14/2005
Subject: Fan Table Reservations–Last Call
Fan Table Reservations–Last Call

This is the last call for reserving Fan Tables at Costume-Con 23. We
have a few remaining tables by registration, so please let us know
immediately if you want to reserve one.

Please feel free to forward this to clubs, groups, concoms, etc.

Yours,

The Costume-Con 23 ConCom

 

Group: runacc Message: 948 From: davedoering Date: 4/24/2005
Subject: Weather for CC23
Various weather reports are suggesting rain for Saturday or Sunday of
the con.

Although these reports are decreasing, we have still planned for this
possibility. We have taxi service on stand-by and have confirmed the
storage room at the theater so costumes, props, and accessories may be
stored there safely beginning on Friday morning. They can be held until
Monday if needed.

Also, we have a number of volunteers with vans to transport people
should the need arise.

Utah is a desert state, so showers don’t last long (less than ten-
twenty minutes). Sadly, those delightful all-day showers of back East–
complete with lightning and thunder–are unknown.

Dave Doering
Costume-Con 23

 

Group: runacc Message: 949 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 4/24/2005
Subject: Reminder to masquerade/competition directors (especially CC23, but
Hi, all!

This is a friendly reminder from your pal, Betsy, wearing the
Costume-Con Archivist hat for a moment.

This coming weekend I will need a whole bunch of data for the
Costume-ConNections web site, and for the Costume-Con Archives (which
are, and remain, entirely separate from the ICG Archives).

For example, I will need the complete list of participants for each
masquerade or show, what they wore and who designed each costume, as
well as a complete list of the awards they received (titles and types)
and any prizes given. I will also need the list of people who donated
the prizes given (so credit may go where it’s due), and photos/videos of
each event.

I will also need the exact count for the CC26 Site Selection process, to
record on the site.

I understand Greg Bradt is the official photographer for CC23. Last
time, he gave me a disk containing all the official photos he took at
the con. I also received a comp video from Carl Mami as official
videographer.

If CC23 would be so kind, please provide me with an archival copy of
each type of media for the Costume-Con Archives, so that information may
be added to the web site.

I also photograph the exhibits and the doll contest, but if these were
professionally shot, it would be nicer. I may still take reference
photos, just in case, but you get the idea.

Starting sometime soon (shortly after we return from the con), I will be
clearing the backlog of data to update the site, in preparation for
turning the complete Archives (videos, photos and other items in the
collection) over to the Dicks, and I would love to have everything in
order when that time comes.

Please help keep me from pestering you for the information – add the
info to your checklist for each event, so that it doesn’t come as a
complete surprise that I need the info at the height of the craziness.

I’ll have my computer with me, and it is even conceivable that before I
leave the con, the info could be online, even if the photos will have to
wait.

And finally, as in the last few years, I will be running a fundraiser at
the con, to help raise funds to cover the archive’s expenses. I’ve done
a selective raffle (tickets sold for types of media), in the last year
or so, and that’s probably what I’m going to do this time as well. We
have also held an auction (at CC22), for donated items.

I will likely manage the sales during halftime for each event, because I
don’t really want to be tied to a table during the con. I understand
that Karen and Ricky also have items to provide for raffle/auction.

Please let me know if there are any specific rules I need to be aware of
before I plan the fundraising activities. I’d hate to be on the bad end
of the law in the process.

If you have any questions about any of the above, please let me know
ASAP! I’m leaving Wednesday, fairly early, and arriving at the con
fairly late Thursday evening. You can reach me by cell anytime at
301.922.1865. (Not after 9pm EDT, please!) I’ll have it with me, and on,
during the whole weekend.

Please forward this message as necessary. THANKS!!!

See you soon!!!

Betsy


Betsy R. Delaney

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http://www.Costume-Con.org/ * http://www.sickpups.org/
http://www.SchoolWithoutWalls.org/
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Group: runacc Message: 950 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 4/26/2005
Subject: Re: Reminder to masquerade/competition directors (especially CC23,

At 08:45 PM 4/24/2005, you wrote:

>I also photograph the exhibits and the doll contest, but if these were
>professionally shot, it would be nicer. I may still take reference
>photos, just in case, but you get the idea.

Sandy and I are planning to completely photograph all dolls as they come in
and you will get copies of these as well as copies of all the registration
information.

Pierre

>Starting sometime soon (shortly after we return from the con), I will be
>clearing the backlog of data to update the site, in preparation for
>turning the complete Archives (videos, photos and other items in the
>collection) over to the Dicks, and I would love to have everything in
>order when that time comes.
>
>Please help keep me from pestering you for the information – add the
>info to your checklist for each event, so that it doesn’t come as a
>complete surprise that I need the info at the height of the craziness.
>
>I’ll have my computer with me, and it is even conceivable that before I
>leave the con, the info could be online, even if the photos will have to
>wait.
>
>And finally, as in the last few years, I will be running a fundraiser at
>the con, to help raise funds to cover the archive’s expenses. I’ve done
>a selective raffle (tickets sold for types of media), in the last year
>or so, and that’s probably what I’m going to do this time as well. We
>have also held an auction (at CC22), for donated items.
>
>I will likely manage the sales during halftime for each event, because I
>don’t really want to be tied to a table during the con. I understand
>that Karen and Ricky also have items to provide for raffle/auction.
>
>Please let me know if there are any specific rules I need to be aware of
>before I plan the fundraising activities. I’d hate to be on the bad end
>of the law in the process.
>
>If you have any questions about any of the above, please let me know
>ASAP! I’m leaving Wednesday, fairly early, and arriving at the con
>fairly late Thursday evening. You can reach me by cell anytime at
>301.922.1865. (Not after 9pm EDT, please!) I’ll have it with me, and on,
>during the whole weekend.
>
>Please forward this message as necessary. THANKS!!!
>
>See you soon!!!
>
>Betsy
>–
>–
>Betsy R. Delaney

“Those Who Fail To Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly —
Why They Are Simply Doomed.

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C.Y. 4971

Andromeda

 

 

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Group: runacc Message: 851 From: henryosier@cs.com Date: 10/7/2004
Subject: Re: Staff memberships
Group: runacc Message: 852 From: David Doering Date: 10/7/2004
Subject: Re: Staff memberships
Group: runacc Message: 853 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 10/7/2004
Subject: Re: Staff memberships
Group: runacc Message: 854 From: srabba Date: 10/8/2004
Subject: More on Staff Memberships
Group: runacc Message: 855 From: Kevin Roche Date: 10/8/2004
Subject: Re: More on Staff Memberships
Group: runacc Message: 856 From: Charles Galway Date: 10/8/2004
Subject: Re: More on Staff Memberships
Group: runacc Message: 857 From: David Doering Date: 10/8/2004
Subject: Re: More on Staff Memberships
Group: runacc Message: 858 From: Charles Galway Date: 10/9/2004
Subject: Re: More on Staff Memberships
Group: runacc Message: 859 From: Byron Connell Date: 10/10/2004
Subject: Re: More on Staff Memberships
Group: runacc Message: 860 From: Kevin Roche Date: 11/3/2004
Subject: A delicate subject, but a real one regarding travel to Costume-Cons
Group: runacc Message: 861 From: David Doering Date: 11/3/2004
Subject: Re: A delicate subject, but a real one regarding travel to Costume-
Group: runacc Message: 862 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 11/3/2004
Subject: Re: A delicate subject, but a real one regarding travel to Costume-
Group: runacc Message: 863 From: Charles Galway Date: 11/4/2004
Subject: Re: A delicate subject, but a real one regarding travel to Costume
Group: runacc Message: 864 From: David Doering Date: 11/4/2004
Subject: Re: A delicate subject, but a real one regarding travel to Costume-
Group: runacc Message: 865 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 11/4/2004
Subject: Re: A delicate subject, but a real one regarding travel to Costume-
Group: runacc Message: 866 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 11/4/2004
Subject: Re: A delicate subject, but a real one regarding travel to Costume
Group: runacc Message: 867 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 11/21/2004
Subject: Anime Con comes to St. Louis(!)
Group: runacc Message: 868 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 11/22/2004
Subject: Re: [cc26sv-staff] [runacc] CC26 BID PAPERWORK OVERDUE
Group: runacc Message: 869 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 11/22/2004
Subject: Re: [cc26sv-staff] [runacc] CC26 Paperwork Resolution In Progress
Group: runacc Message: 870 From: henryosier@cs.com Date: 11/22/2004
Subject: Re: [cc26sv-staff] [runacc] CC26 Paperwork Resolution In Progress
Group: runacc Message: 871 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 12/1/2004
Subject: A quick point of information for con coms
Group: runacc Message: 872 From: David Doering Date: 12/1/2004
Subject: Re: A quick point of information for con coms
Group: runacc Message: 873 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 12/1/2004
Subject: Re: A quick point of information for con coms
Group: runacc Message: 874 From: John O’Halloran Date: 12/1/2004
Subject: Re: A quick point of information for con coms
Group: runacc Message: 875 From: Kevin Roche Date: 12/1/2004
Subject: Re: A quick point of information for con coms
Group: runacc Message: 876 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 12/1/2004
Subject: Re: A quick point of information for con coms
Group: runacc Message: 877 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 12/2/2004
Subject: Re: A quick point of information for con coms
Group: runacc Message: 878 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 12/2/2004
Subject: Re: A quick point of information for con coms
Group: runacc Message: 879 From: martingear Date: 12/2/2004
Subject: Re: A quick point of information for con coms
Group: runacc Message: 880 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 12/2/2004
Subject: Re: A quick point of information for con coms
Group: runacc Message: 881 From: davedoering Date: 12/7/2004
Subject: Re: A quick point of information for con coms
Group: runacc Message: 882 From: Tina Connell Date: 12/7/2004
Subject: Re: A quick point of information for con coms
Group: runacc Message: 883 From: David Doering Date: 12/7/2004
Subject: Re: A quick point of information for con coms
Group: runacc Message: 884 From: Kevin Roche Date: 12/9/2004
Subject: For those of you who were concerned…
Group: runacc Message: 885 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 12/9/2004
Subject: Re: For those of you who were concerned…
Group: runacc Message: 886 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 12/9/2004
Subject: Marketing Contact info…
Group: runacc Message: 887 From: Tina Connell Date: 12/10/2004
Subject: Re: Marketing Contact info…
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Group: runacc Message: 889 From: Tina Connell Date: 12/11/2004
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Group: runacc Message: 890 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 12/11/2004
Subject: Re: Marketing Contact info…
Group: runacc Message: 891 From: Kevin Roche Date: 12/11/2004
Subject: Re: Marketing Contact info…
Group: runacc Message: 892 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: It’s official!
Group: runacc Message: 893 From: Kevin Roche Date: 12/15/2004
Subject: [Fwd: Re: [GBACGCostumers] Utah membership]
Group: runacc Message: 894 From: davedoering Date: 12/18/2004
Subject: [Fwd: Re: [GBACGCostumers] Utah membership]
Group: runacc Message: 895 From: Kevin Roche Date: 12/18/2004
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [GBACGCostumers] Utah membership]
Group: runacc Message: 896 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 12/18/2004
Subject: Advertising in the ICG Newsletter
Group: runacc Message: 897 From: Kevin Roche Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Question about supporting memberships and voting
Group: runacc Message: 898 From: Bruno Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Re: Anime Con comes to St. Louis(!)
Group: runacc Message: 899 From: Bruno Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Re: A quick point of information for con coms
Group: runacc Message: 900 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 1/9/2005
Subject: Re: [cc23] Fwd: [runacc] Question about supporting memberships

 


 

Group: runacc Message: 851 From: henryosier@cs.com Date: 10/7/2004
Subject: Re: Staff memberships
Sallie,
I did it at CC21. I locked in the staff price at the first pre-reg
price.
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 852 From: David Doering Date: 10/7/2004
Subject: Re: Staff memberships

>Byron raised a point that I wanted to amplify–that is, who qualifies for
>the staff rate?

>Right now, our policy is to consider each on a case by case basis. We
>don’t offer the staff rate to anyone who puts in time–that would include
>just about everybody at the con. We look at some number of hours either
>prior to or at the con–usually 10 or more hours that are needed for the job.

Dave Doering
CC23
www.cc23.org

 

Group: runacc Message: 853 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 10/7/2004
Subject: Re: Staff memberships

We considered anyone who was credited in the Program Book with a major
position to be staff. There were several individuals in the Tech crew
who were only at the con for tech, and who had no real interest in
either the publications or the con suite, who were comped in, but I
think this number was very small in comparison to the rest of the con
(under 10?).

We had over 400 bodies at CCXV total, including regular attendees,
staff, dealers and volunteers.

Hope this helps!

Betsy

David Doering wrote:

>
>>Byron raised a point that I wanted to amplify–that is, who qualifies for
>>the staff rate?
>
>
>>Right now, our policy is to consider each on a case by case basis. We
>>don’t offer the staff rate to anyone who puts in time–that would include
>>just about everybody at the con. We look at some number of hours either
>>prior to or at the con–usually 10 or more hours that are needed for the job.
>
>
> Dave Doering
> CC23
> www.cc23.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
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Group: runacc Message: 854 From: srabba Date: 10/8/2004
Subject: More on Staff Memberships
Thanks everyone for your in put on this topic. We are exploring
options for CC-24 and were curious about what previous CCs had done.

The tough part really is deciding who qualifies for staff
memberships. We have a number of people from our SF club who would
help do the grunt work but are not costumers and aren’t really
interested in the panels or shows. It seems harsh to charge them the
full membership when they will be working only.

We’ve kicked around the idea of having a staff membership that has no
privileges in other words no attending panels, shows or competing.
For liability reasons it is important that everyone attending or
working be “members.” This option would seem to solve that problem
while also allowing our non-costuming club members to help us out
without undue expense. That brings us back around to the tough part
of who qualifies for this type of membership? The object here being
to get extra help not give away the store.

More thoughts, comments, suggestions etc.?

Sallie

 

Group: runacc Message: 855 From: Kevin Roche Date: 10/8/2004
Subject: Re: More on Staff Memberships

One of the weekend events I helped found (FolsomFringe) must have
EVERYONE be members (sold in advance) because it is an adult event.
(This is because otherwise, believe it or not, the event falls afoul of
prostitution laws. Thank our Puritan forebears…)

The first couple years there was a sliding scale up to a comped (free)
membership depending on how many hours a volunteer worked, but two
things happened: 1) the paperwork was just too much of a hassle. 2) the
volunteers who were signed up for shifts on Sunday would attend the rest
of the weekend and then flake. So now the “volunteer membership” is
fixed at $25.

Problem #2 was only partially alleviated by making everybody pay (and
hence have an investment in the weekend). The problem was that this
group does not have the tradition of volunteer-run events that fandom
has. The low volunteer price makes breaking even worrisome coming into
the event every year, because so many volunteers are required.

I’ve been recommending for 3 years that they switch to a “pay the
cheapest membership rate and perhaps get a refund afterwards” model, but
because of the attitude of entitlement attitudes engendered by the
earlier system, it’s been a difficult sell.

I’d recommend that staff members/volunteers pay either the supporting
membership rate or the lowest attending rate, and include a budget item
for partial/complete refunds for if you come out in the black. If you
budget for reimbursement, you can plan for how you want to do it, but
you also know you’ll have enough cash for the overhead for all the
bodies on site during the weekend.

Kevin

srabba wrote:

>
> Thanks everyone for your in put on this topic. We are exploring
> options for CC-24 and were curious about what previous CCs had done.
>
> The tough part really is deciding who qualifies for staff
> memberships. We have a number of people from our SF club who would
> help do the grunt work but are not costumers and aren’t really
> interested in the panels or shows. It seems harsh to charge them the
> full membership when they will be working only.
>
> We’ve kicked around the idea of having a staff membership that has no
> privileges in other words no attending panels, shows or competing.
> For liability reasons it is important that everyone attending or
> working be “members.” This option would seem to solve that problem
> while also allowing our non-costuming club members to help us out
> without undue expense. That brings us back around to the tough part
> of who qualifies for this type of membership? The object here being
> to get extra help not give away the store.
>
> More thoughts, comments, suggestions etc.?
>
> Sallie

 

Group: runacc Message: 856 From: Charles Galway Date: 10/8/2004
Subject: Re: More on Staff Memberships

I know exactly what you mean. We have some very active fans here, and might have a small interest in costuming. For them, it is more important for them to be part of a local fan-style event, and I think they’d be willing to do some of the hospitality/registration/security, positions that I think an out-of-state costumer would be reluctant to do. In addition, some of these locals might be paying for a hotel room (and food), and they may be in a less than adequate income level.

As a fan, I see a important role in sharing this convention with local fans, and not just the handful of costumer fans, that are willing to pay the full rate, and attend the events.

Is there anything you can consider, such as offering a two-cons-for-one rate (local SF con + CC), additional tickets to the masquerade for their friends (in exchange for the additional work), T-shirt or donated items passed to volunteers, volunteer’s green-room, etc.

I think it may be possible to “freeze” concom rate, at a relatively low rate, if that would work.

In my opinion, since the convention is so much work, any additional persons brought in, and maybe poking into a few panels, is a benefit to what the con is — a meeting place for locals, and out-of-area “fans” to work on costuming — and any other fan/art topics that may occur peripherally.

I agree that you should consider the volunteers to have memberships, and not given non-member status. I may not be important to some, but psychologically, it gives them more “owneership” — more sense of belonging — which is an important part of there volunteer motivation. In fact, it may be worthwhile to somehow enhance that sense, since they may not be as active in actually attending panels (a party three weeks after the con?, a discount on a con video?, names in the program book?)

On the other hand, we are also aware that there are some of the concom that have paid full-rate (which we need for financial reasons), and are still doing a lot of work.

Charles
CC-23

—– Original Message —–
From: srabba
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 7:51 AM
Subject: [runacc] More on Staff Memberships

Thanks everyone for your in put on this topic. We are exploring
options for CC-24 and were curious about what previous CCs had done.

The tough part really is deciding who qualifies for staff
memberships. We have a number of people from our SF club who would
help do the grunt work but are not costumers and aren’t really
interested in the panels or shows. It seems harsh to charge them the
full membership when they will be working only.

We’ve kicked around the idea of having a staff membership that has no
privileges in other words no attending panels, shows or competing.
For liability reasons it is important that everyone attending or
working be “members.” This option would seem to solve that problem
while also allowing our non-costuming club members to help us out
without undue expense. That brings us back around to the tough part
of who qualifies for this type of membership? The object here being
to get extra help not give away the store.

More thoughts, comments, suggestions etc.?

Sallie

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Group: runacc Message: 857 From: David Doering Date: 10/8/2004
Subject: Re: More on Staff Memberships
Charles raises a good point about including local fans into the mix (rather
than make CC “exclusive”). Having flexibility in “staff” rates helps to
include some who will work hard but otherwise couldn’t afford (or have
enough interest to afford) to come.

I think the challenge is to have some flexibility in fees while not
alienating other members. Most won’t complain about a reduced or fixed rate
for various staff. The trouble comes with comp’ing or a rate so low as to
be a comp. Just as an example, how fair is it to charge the masquerade
directors full rate while letting, say, the tech crew in for free? Surely
the job of MD is as complex as any tech assignment–maybe even more so
because the MD job goes on for months prior to the con.

Charles raises another point about some positions that don’t require CC or
costume experience. Given our limited numbers (say, under 400) we don’t
have a lot of extras for staffing without cannibalizing from those who
would otherwise compete or present. Having local fans who are interested
in handling Dealer’s Room, Hospitality, security, or gofers do so can be a
big help towards staffing.

Dave Doering

 

Group: runacc Message: 858 From: Charles Galway Date: 10/9/2004
Subject: Re: More on Staff Memberships

Dave is right about that point. If the local costumers are so busy with running the event, they’ll miss the chance to participate in con-program. If there is a good way to get other locals involved, it frees up the costumers to compete, etc.

Charles
CC-23

—– Original Message —–
From: David Doering
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] More on Staff Memberships

Charles raises a good point about including local fans into the mix (rather
than make CC “exclusive”). Having flexibility in “staff” rates helps to
include some who will work hard but otherwise couldn’t afford (or have
enough interest to afford) to come.

I think the challenge is to have some flexibility in fees while not
alienating other members. Most won’t complain about a reduced or fixed rate
for various staff. The trouble comes with comp’ing or a rate so low as to
be a comp. Just as an example, how fair is it to charge the masquerade
directors full rate while letting, say, the tech crew in for free? Surely
the job of MD is as complex as any tech assignment–maybe even more so
because the MD job goes on for months prior to the con.

Charles raises another point about some positions that don’t require CC or
costume experience. Given our limited numbers (say, under 400) we don’t
have a lot of extras for staffing without cannibalizing from those who
would otherwise compete or present. Having local fans who are interested
in handling Dealer’s Room, Hospitality, security, or gofers do so can be a
big help towards staffing.

Dave Doering

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Group: runacc Message: 859 From: Byron Connell Date: 10/10/2004
Subject: Re: More on Staff Memberships

If the “membership” includes no privileges, it costs the con nothing, so you could use an unlimited number of them for non-costumers who are working on the con.

You also could add some basic privilege, like access to the con suite. That would result in a cost, leading to a need to budget for the expense.

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: srabba<mailto:gsabba@worldnet.att.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 9:51 AM
Subject: [runacc] More on Staff Memberships

Thanks everyone for your in put on this topic. We are exploring
options for CC-24 and were curious about what previous CCs had done.

The tough part really is deciding who qualifies for staff
memberships. We have a number of people from our SF club who would
help do the grunt work but are not costumers and aren’t really
interested in the panels or shows. It seems harsh to charge them the
full membership when they will be working only.

We’ve kicked around the idea of having a staff membership that has no
privileges in other words no attending panels, shows or competing.
For liability reasons it is important that everyone attending or
working be “members.” This option would seem to solve that problem
while also allowing our non-costuming club members to help us out
without undue expense. That brings us back around to the tough part
of who qualifies for this type of membership? The object here being
to get extra help not give away the store.

More thoughts, comments, suggestions etc.?

Sallie

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Group: runacc Message: 860 From: Kevin Roche Date: 11/3/2004
Subject: A delicate subject, but a real one regarding travel to Costume-Cons
Note: I am *not* attempting to start a political flamewar.

However the isssue is real: Utah just passed a constitutional amendment
declaring it illegal to recognize my CA domestic partnership with Andy.

Normally, that would put Utah on my “no-visit” list.

Except that CC23 is very important to me, independent of the fact that
the CC26 site selection is occurring at CC23.

What can/should CC committees do to encourage attendance by people who
fear they may be at risk by doing so? Can you publish more info about
the community in which your venue is located to assuage such fears?

Kevin

 

Group: runacc Message: 861 From: David Doering Date: 11/3/2004
Subject: Re: A delicate subject, but a real one regarding travel to Costume-
Kevin asked about the impact of Utah’s Marriage Amendment on CC23.

For fandom, this isn’t the first time that political issues have impacted
possible attendance at a con. Probably the most famous was when Harlan
Ellison was GoH at the Arizona WorldCon. Harlan was strongly in favor of
the Equal Rights Amendment at that time, and Arizona had recently voted
against it. Like Kevin, he considered boycotting the con. Rather than do
so, Harlan used a motor home and ate only food he brought with him from
California to avoid doing any business in the state.

I appreciate the difficulties this amendment may present you and Andy as
well as others. As you know, of the eleven states that passed marriage
initiatives, eight included restrictions on domestic partnerships–Utah
among these. As of right now, no one knows what legal impact this will have
in actual practice, such as for visitors like yourselves. I am hoping that
the Courts can sort this out, but unfortunately that will be long after
next April.

I do not fault anyone who decides by conviction or concern for legal
hassles to not attend a con including our Costume Con. Sometimes we have to
take a stand for what we believe in.

I think as a con-com, we can and should provide good information on why
attending CC23 is still a great idea, despite this new amendment.

First, the amendment was seen here locally as being pro-traditional-family
and not anti-gay. Most people do not have animosity towards gay
partnerships or gays in general. Our governor-elect, Jon Huntsman, has come
out in favor of giving domestic partners legal rights and is going to work
to put those into law once in office. (See
http://www.harktheherald.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=32825
as well as http://www.votehuntsman.com under Other/Families.) Consider too
that the vote was not unanimous–with over 1/3 of us voting against it. I
can’t say you won’t run into the occasional bigot, like in many towns, but
I have gone out in gay groups and most people are just curious, not
antagonistic.

Our host city, Ogden, is the most cosmopolitan of any city in Utah
including Salt Lake. As the home to three military bases in the past, as
well as the main railway hub, it has been a long-time melting pot. The
author of the “Gay and Lesbian Atlas” gives Ogden a 96 rating (with the
national average of 100) on the number of gay households (see
http://www.epodunk.com/cgi-bin/gayInfo.php?locIndex=25962 for details).

Our hotel, the Ogden Marriott, is hosting the Royal Court this month, as
well as an annual Bikers Convention (when Ogden becomes
“HOG-den”). Ogden’s oldest gay nightspot, the Brass Rail, is just two
blocks away. Right across the street from our Egyptian Theater is
Capricorns Lair, a retail store for the local gay and lesbian community.

Finally, I think it is also important for our members to come to Utah so we
can make friends and educate the community. Not just as domestic partners,
but as fans and costumers–just as Star Trek fans had to “go where no one
has gone before” to earn respect and appreciation.

Yours,

Dave Doering
CC23: Utah

 

Group: runacc Message: 862 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 11/3/2004
Subject: Re: A delicate subject, but a real one regarding travel to Costume-

On Nov 3, 2004, at 3:27 PM, David Doering wrote:

> I appreciate the difficulties this amendment may present you and Andy
> as
> well as others. As you know, of the eleven states that passed marriage
> initiatives, eight included restrictions on domestic partnerships–Utah
> among these. As of right now, no one knows what legal impact this will
> have
> in actual practice, such as for visitors like yourselves. I am hoping
> that
> the Courts can sort this out, but unfortunately that will be long after
> next April.

The major inconvenience is that now we have to, before CC23 (along with
everything else we have to do before CC23, like I need another
deadline) get the appropriate Durable Power of Attorney paperwork in
place. Good thing we have an excellent paralegal to prepare our
documents.


andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
San Jose, CA – ’72 R75/5 ’86 R100 (mine) – ’92 K75sa ’03 R1150R
(Kevin’s)
“It’s not pink, it’s peach-colored. Pink is tacky.”
–Manfred Pfirsich Marie Rommel

2nd most important safety device on my bike: the one beneath my right
hand
Most important safety device on my bike: the one inside my helmet

 

Group: runacc Message: 863 From: Charles Galway Date: 11/4/2004
Subject: Re: A delicate subject, but a real one regarding travel to Costume

I agree with what Dave has written here. I would encourage costumers to attend, regardless of Utah political voting. And that would be for any event elsewhere — We wouldn’t want to miss Ohio events….(?) It only tends to hurt the local fans, without really solving the political problems.

Terry Tempest Williams (a local Utah non-SF writer) was asked not to make partisan comments at a Florida college speaking engagement. She refused, so the Florida students invited her anyway, and she went anyway, without a speaking fee. But that probably didn’t make national news. My point is that we need to do what we can to facilitate communcication, not let someone else close it down.

Being a male belly-dancer, and many other reasons, I certainly can’t agree with this admendment.

We do appreciate all that come out to CC-23. Without an event like this, Utah becomes that much less connected with other fans and costumers. I know for myself, this event is more than just a chance to get dressed up with a bunch of friends. It is a wide-community art and social event. I think that it enlarges our local life, and the broader world.

Charles Galway
CC-23

—– Original Message —–
From: David Doering
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] A delicate subject, but a real one regarding travel to Costume-Cons

Kevin asked about the impact of Utah’s Marriage Amendment on CC23.

For fandom, this isn’t the first time that political issues have impacted
possible attendance at a con. Probably the most famous was when Harlan
Ellison was GoH at the Arizona WorldCon. Harlan was strongly in favor of
the Equal Rights Amendment at that time, and Arizona had recently voted
against it. Like Kevin, he considered boycotting the con. Rather than do
so, Harlan used a motor home and ate only food he brought with him from
California to avoid doing any business in the state.

I appreciate the difficulties this amendment may present you and Andy as
well as others. As you know, of the eleven states that passed marriage
initiatives, eight included restrictions on domestic partnerships–Utah
among these. As of right now, no one knows what legal impact this will have
in actual practice, such as for visitors like yourselves. I am hoping that
the Courts can sort this out, but unfortunately that will be long after
next April.

I do not fault anyone who decides by conviction or concern for legal
hassles to not attend a con including our Costume Con. Sometimes we have to
take a stand for what we believe in.

I think as a con-com, we can and should provide good information on why
attending CC23 is still a great idea, despite this new amendment.

First, the amendment was seen here locally as being pro-traditional-family
and not anti-gay. Most people do not have animosity towards gay
partnerships or gays in general. Our governor-elect, Jon Huntsman, has come
out in favor of giving domestic partners legal rights and is going to work
to put those into law once in office. (See
http://www.harktheherald.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=32825
as well as http://www.votehuntsman.com under Other/Families.) Consider too
that the vote was not unanimous–with over 1/3 of us voting against it. I
can’t say you won’t run into the occasional bigot, like in many towns, but
I have gone out in gay groups and most people are just curious, not
antagonistic.

Our host city, Ogden, is the most cosmopolitan of any city in Utah
including Salt Lake. As the home to three military bases in the past, as
well as the main railway hub, it has been a long-time melting pot. The
author of the “Gay and Lesbian Atlas” gives Ogden a 96 rating (with the
national average of 100) on the number of gay households (see
http://www.epodunk.com/cgi-bin/gayInfo.php?locIndex=25962 for details).

Our hotel, the Ogden Marriott, is hosting the Royal Court this month, as
well as an annual Bikers Convention (when Ogden becomes
“HOG-den”). Ogden’s oldest gay nightspot, the Brass Rail, is just two
blocks away. Right across the street from our Egyptian Theater is
Capricorns Lair, a retail store for the local gay and lesbian community.

Finally, I think it is also important for our members to come to Utah so we
can make friends and educate the community. Not just as domestic partners,
but as fans and costumers–just as Star Trek fans had to “go where no one
has gone before” to earn respect and appreciation.

Yours,

Dave Doering
CC23: Utah

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Group: runacc Message: 864 From: David Doering Date: 11/4/2004
Subject: Re: A delicate subject, but a real one regarding travel to Costume-

>Andy wrote: “I need…to get the appropriate Durable Power of Attorney
>paperwork in
>place.”

Even though I have a “traditional” marriage, I also have what’s called a
“springing power of attorney” in place in the event that both Keri and I
are temporarily incapacitated (such as from an accident). It’s good
protection.

When my mother went into a coma for a month after her stroke, she didn’t
have one in place. So we couldn’t sign checks, withdraw money, or do any
business like pay her bills.

I’ll put a couple of links discussing the “Power of Attorney” process on
the Coming to Utah page of the website to try and make this easier.

Dave Doering

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Group: runacc Message: 865 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 11/4/2004
Subject: Re: A delicate subject, but a real one regarding travel to Costume-

At 06:14 PM 11/3/2004, you wrote:

>On Nov 3, 2004, at 3:27 PM, David Doering wrote:
> > I appreciate the difficulties this amendment may present you and Andy
> > as
> > well as others. As you know, of the eleven states that passed marriage
> > initiatives, eight included restrictions on domestic partnerships–Utah
> > among these. As of right now, no one knows what legal impact this will
> > have
> > in actual practice, such as for visitors like yourselves. I am hoping
> > that
> > the Courts can sort this out, but unfortunately that will be long after
> > next April.
>
>The major inconvenience is that now we have to, before CC23 (along with
>everything else we have to do before CC23, like I need another
>deadline) get the appropriate Durable Power of Attorney paperwork in
>place. Good thing we have an excellent paralegal to prepare our
>documents.

That will probably be the best bet. Since you’re “only” visiting other
aspects shouldn’t be a problem. However, I would make sure that you are
covered for medical decisions as well in case of any accidents. While there
will be no surfeit of witnesses that you each intend the other to make
medical decisions, you want to make sure they are backed up.

Pierre

>–
>andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/

“Those Who Fail To Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly —
Why They Are Simply Doomed.

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C.Y. 4971

Andromeda

 

Group: runacc Message: 866 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 11/4/2004
Subject: Re: A delicate subject, but a real one regarding travel to Costume

Actually, I think this is good advice, regardless of your marital status
(same sex or otherwise), because there are plenty of places where even
marriage isn’t a clear definer of what partners want their survivors to
do. Check out the stuff going down in Florida right now if you have any
questions about what I’m referring to.

I’m still trying to convince my own dear husband that having a living
will with explicit instructions regarding his wishes is something I
consider absolutely necessary. He just doesn’t want to commit. He’s from
a Roman Catholic background, and doesn’t have the experience I do with
long term, debilitating illness (my mom).

So take this advice to heart – if you don’t already have your legal and
medical ducks in a row, get them there now while you can still make the
decisions. And be sure to distribute those instructions to the people
who will be handling your estate.

Cheers,

Betsy

Pierre & Sandy Pettinger wrote:

> That will probably be the best bet. Since you’re “only” visiting other
> aspects shouldn’t be a problem. However, I would make sure that you are
> covered for medical decisions as well in case of any accidents. While there
> will be no surfeit of witnesses that you each intend the other to make
> medical decisions, you want to make sure they are backed up.
>
> Pierre



Betsy R. Delaney

The Lame Duck Presidency starts now. 11/4/04

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Group: runacc Message: 867 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 11/21/2004
Subject: Anime Con comes to St. Louis(!)
We just got word that there’s going to be a new Anime convention started up
here in town — in March. AACK! We gotta scramble.

The name of the outfit is Kunicon. Apparently, they are starting a sort of
franchise in Miami, here and Atlanta. I’m trying to get ahold of them now
to get more info. Here is their link: http://stl.kunicon.com/. If anyone
has heard anything about who they are, please let us know.

We figure this is our chance to get in on the ground floor, so we’re hoping
to volunteer in some capacity. It seems likely, since they sound like they
have no people on the ground here in town. It could be a real chance to
draw some costumers into the community, and a prime opportunity to promote
CC in the Midwest!

Meanwhile, I think the Guild will probably try to have a crash course in
anime before the con, so those of our group who don’t have much background
in it can get up to speed.

We’re all pretty excited about the possibilities. My concerns mainly
revolve around how many people they can get to come on such relatively short
notice. they’d better start promoting like crazy in the region. They’re at
a disadvantage from the standpoint that they’ve missed Anime Iowa and Anime
Central.

Bruce

 

Group: runacc Message: 868 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 11/22/2004
Subject: Re: [cc26sv-staff] [runacc] CC26 BID PAPERWORK OVERDUE
The deadline for filing bid paperwork for Costume-Con 26 bids was stated on
the Costume-Connections web site as October 1, 2004.

On September 30, 2004, Andrew Trembley emailed me to ask for an extension
of the deadline. I was out of town on business with no Internet access at
the time, and received the message on October 2, 2004. I sent a return
message asking how long of an extension was needed. (Please note that I did
NOT agree to an extension.) I never received a response.

On October 30, 2004 (the 180-days-out-from-CC23 “official” bid filing
deadline per section 2.5 of the Costume-Con ConStitution), I sent Kevin
Roche and Andrew Trembley a “friendly reminder” email that I still needed
paperwork for their CC-26 bid. Again, no response.

I would not be posting to these forums if I had received any responses via
email.

It is now November 22, 2004, and past the 160-days-out-from-CC23 deadline
for notifying CC23 committee re approved bids for CC26 to put on the ballot
(per section 2.6 of the Costume-Con ConStitution). We are 54 days past
Andrew’s request for an extension, 53 days past the declared 2004 bid
deadline, and 24 days past the ConStitution-defined bid deadline. Exactly
how long am I expected to continue waiting for paperwork?!!

If I do not receive valid bid paperwork from the San Jose CC-26 bid by
December 15, 2004, I will declare that there are NO valid bids for CC-26,
and site selection for the 2008 convention will be decided per section 2.18
of the Costume-Con ConStitution.

Folks, I WANT THE SAN JOSE BID TO SUCCEED, and will even deal with a little
squiffiness on the bid paperwork re hotel and dates (CC-25 had to lock in
their dates and hotel at a later date, so there is a precedent). But I NEED
PAPERWORK. The current situation is not fair to the members of the San Jose
proto-CC26 committee (who may be working toward nothing), it is not fair to
the CC23 committee (who are supposed to be running the site selection), and
it is not fair to me (who wants to see the con continue past its 25th
anniversary).

–Karen

 

Group: runacc Message: 869 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 11/22/2004
Subject: Re: [cc26sv-staff] [runacc] CC26 Paperwork Resolution In Progress
I have chatted with Kevin Roche via email, and he has explained why the
CC-26 San Jose bid paperwork is so late, and we are both sure there will be
resolution by the December 15 deadline.

My thought / hope is that the CC-26 site selection ballot can go out with
the CC-23 Future Fashion Folio mailing, which would save the CC-23
committee some postage costs.

Sorry about the public meltdown. Nothing to see here. Move along.

–Karen

 

Group: runacc Message: 870 From: henryosier@cs.com Date: 11/22/2004
Subject: Re: [cc26sv-staff] [runacc] CC26 Paperwork Resolution In Progress

In a message dated 11/22/2004 2:53:31 PM Central Standard Time,
castleb@pulsenet.com writes:

> Sorry about the public meltdown. Nothing to see here. Move along.

But I know those guys! They look like Moe! ;p
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 871 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 12/1/2004
Subject: A quick point of information for con coms
Hi, folks!

One of my friends just forwarded me the CC23 dealer contract and asked
me to translate it from Word so that she could print it and fill it out.

Please note: Not everyone has Word. When you put forms or documents up
on the web, you should really make every effort to provide the content
in either html or pdf format, so that it can be printed without further
editing. Word processing programs are generally printer specific, so if
you don’t want to force the recipients to edit the content to fit their
printer specs, use a more universal format.

Assuming everyone has access to your particular choice of word
processing software/hardware is a potentially instant invitation to
losing interested people.

Just an FYI.

I’ve converted the doc to a PDF. If you want the version I just did,
just email me back and I’ll send it to you.

Thanks,

Betsy



Betsy R. Delaney

The Lame Duck Presidency starts now. 11/4/04

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Group: runacc Message: 872 From: David Doering Date: 12/1/2004
Subject: Re: A quick point of information for con coms

>Betsy wrote in favor of multiple file formats for any forms, sign up
>sheets, etc.

I fully concur. CC23 does in fact have the Dealer’s Reservation materials
in PDF form which is normally sent to the dealers who ask for the form. I
do not know why one particular dealer only received the Word format (done,
in fact, to help someone who had problems with PDF), for which I should
apologize to the affected party.

Meantime, I have now posted into the CC23 group Files area the PDF of the
Dealer’s Room Reservation Form, to help alleviate this.

Thanks for pointing this out, Betsy!

Yours,

Dave Doering
CC23

 

Group: runacc Message: 873 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 12/1/2004
Subject: Re: A quick point of information for con coms

How about .rtf? Everybody should be able to open & print that no matter
what.

Nora

—– Original Message —–
From: “David Doering” <dave@techvoice.com>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] A quick point of information for con coms

>
>
> >Betsy wrote in favor of multiple file formats for any forms, sign up
> >sheets, etc.
>
> I fully concur. CC23 does in fact have the Dealer’s Reservation materials
> in PDF form which is normally sent to the dealers who ask for the form. I
> do not know why one particular dealer only received the Word format (done,
> in fact, to help someone who had problems with PDF), for which I should
> apologize to the affected party.
>
> Meantime, I have now posted into the CC23 group Files area the PDF of the
> Dealer’s Room Reservation Form, to help alleviate this.
>
> Thanks for pointing this out, Betsy!
>
> Yours,
>
> Dave Doering
> CC23
>
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 874 From: John O’Halloran Date: 12/1/2004
Subject: Re: A quick point of information for con coms

RTF is not as portable as HTML for basic forms,
nor is it as good as maintaining format as PDF.

JohnO

Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> How about .rtf? Everybody should be able to open & print that no matter
> what.
>
> Nora
> —– Original Message —–
> From: “David Doering” <dave@techvoice.com>
> To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 2:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [runacc] A quick point of information for con coms
>
>
> >
> >
> > >Betsy wrote in favor of multiple file formats for any forms, sign up
> > >sheets, etc.
> >
> > I fully concur. CC23 does in fact have the Dealer’s Reservation materials
> > in PDF form which is normally sent to the dealers who ask for the form. I
> > do not know why one particular dealer only received the Word format
> (done,
> > in fact, to help someone who had problems with PDF), for which I should
> > apologize to the affected party.
> >
> > Meantime, I have now posted into the CC23 group Files area the PDF of the
> > Dealer’s Room Reservation Form, to help alleviate this.
> >
> > Thanks for pointing this out, Betsy!

 

Group: runacc Message: 875 From: Kevin Roche Date: 12/1/2004
Subject: Re: A quick point of information for con coms

yes, RTF is very dependent on the local environment. I think Word may
even have started out as RTF under the covers.

It is also possible now to make PDF forms Fill-out-able so that they can
do a couple of things: Feed data to a script just like HTML forms AND
let you fill them in BEFORE printing so everything prints nice and neat
(no filling in little boxes with your marker after printing!)

Kevin

John O’Halloran wrote:

> RTF is not as portable as HTML for basic forms,
> nor is it as good as maintaining format as PDF.
>
> JohnO
>
> Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
>
>
>>How about .rtf? Everybody should be able to open & print that no matter
>>what.
>>

 

Group: runacc Message: 876 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 12/1/2004
Subject: Re: A quick point of information for con coms
Html assumes certain things about the receiving computer as well. Granted
it’s usually viable but not completely universal.
As for PDFs:
1. You assume everyone has Adobe reader. That isn’t true either. Yes it’s
free and one can get it fairly easily, but not everyone is comfortable with
downloading a program.
2. And Adobe Writer isn’t a cheap program to obtain. If you have access to
it through work (or own it yourself for work or other reasons) and can
create those files – great. Most people do not.

In short – there is no universal format that everyone can open. The
solution? There isn’t one – we can only hope people will inquire if they
have a problem with a form and provide various available types for those who
have difficulties.

Nora

 

Group: runacc Message: 877 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 12/2/2004
Subject: Re: A quick point of information for con coms

Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> How about .rtf? Everybody should be able to open & print that no matter
> what.

RTF is an incredibly unreliable file format. You would be surprised at
the formatting elements that aren’t supported in RTF.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 878 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 12/2/2004
Subject: Re: A quick point of information for con coms

Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> 1. You assume everyone has Adobe reader. That isn’t true either. Yes it’s
> free and one can get it fairly easily, but not everyone is comfortable with
> downloading a program.

Most new computers are shipped with Adobe Reader. Almost all new Windows
computers have included Adobe Reader for the last 5 years. Macs have
included Adobe Reader at least since system 8.1 (probably 8 years).

Mac OS X doesn’t require Adobe reader to view PDFs.

Yes, I know lots of folks have older computers but it’s very rare that a
computer with internet software doesn’t have Reader.

> 2. And Adobe Writer isn’t a cheap program to obtain. If you have access to
> it through work (or own it yourself for work or other reasons) and can
> create those files – great. Most people do not.

You don’t need Adobe Acrobat to write PDF files. I think Marty, Kevin
and I have said this repeatedly.

Many other programs have the native ability to save PDF files. Word,
unfortunately, isn’t one of them.

There are actually a number of shareware and free PDF writers. None are
as complete and sophisticated as Adobe Acrobat, but they do work. Check
http://www.cnet.com or http://www.tucows.com

> In short – there is no universal format that everyone can open. The
> solution? There isn’t one – we can only hope people will inquire if they
> have a problem with a form and provide various available types for those who
> have difficulties.

In short, PDF is the most portable format available.

PDF the only format that displays and prints consistently in every
environment. Yeah, I know about Karen’s printer problem, Kevin has a
printer at work that does the same thing, but it turned out to be a
problem with a font in the document, not the document itself.

PDF is the only format that can be securely locked to prevent
modifications, an important feature in release forms, rules and other
“official” documents. Yeah, you can lock Word, but it’s easy to break.

PDF forms are an easy way to allow typed data into a form for printing.
Yes, Word can do forms, but it’s much more likely that the document
formatting won’t remain intact when the form is filled in.

The program to read PDF is free and most folks computers already have it.

While Acrobat isn’t cheap, there are cheap and free alternatives to
create PDF files.

OK, that wasn’t that short.

But in short, you’ve still got to be ready to send out paper forms via
the good old US Mail, because there are always going to be people who
have very limited or nonexistent computing resources, and print is the
only truly reliable format.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 879 From: martingear Date: 12/2/2004
Subject: Re: A quick point of information for con coms

Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

><snip>
>2. And Adobe Writer isn’t a cheap program to obtain. If you have access to
>it through work (or own it yourself for work or other reasons) and can
>create those files – great. Most people do not.
>

One doesn’t need Adobe Writer to write pdf’s. Current versions of
WordPerfect allow you to save documents in pdf format and there are
several inexpensive (~$20) third party programs that will do the same
for M$ Word.

>In short – there is no universal format that everyone can open. The
>solution? There isn’t one – we can only hope people will inquire if they
>have a problem with a form and provide various available types for those who
>have difficulties.
>
>Nora
>

This is true, but currently pdf is about as universal as we’re going to get.

Marty

 

Group: runacc Message: 880 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 12/2/2004
Subject: Re: A quick point of information for con coms

What’s been said before… Plus which, I am advocating several different
formats, not just one, and never word processing specific. Take it from
me – I dealt with odd formatting issues with CC18 when a flyer was
created using a very specific printer as the basis, that went all wonky
and weird the moment it moved to a different computer. So much for the
fancy formatting.

If it can’t be covered by generating the page in HTML and PDF, then it
should probably be stored as plain text, which eliminates all the icky
formatting details, but leaves you with tabs and spaces exclusively.

No elegant solution until everyone is using the same exact computer and
software and printer. I am just advocating for more than one format to
be provided. And allowing for hardcopy should always be an option, even
in a paperless society.

Yep, I’ve got a copy of Acrobat. I’ve also got WordPerfect, and that’s
what I use to generate the ICG Newsletter for print. Did I recommend to
my clients not to put content up exclusively as PDF? Yep. Still do. But
that doesn’t stop me from providing the content that way as well.

And for the record, if you have something in need of conversion, you can
send it to me, but if I don’t have the font you used, you’ll get what I
have on my computer. Just warn me first….

Cheers,

Betsy

martingear wrote:

> Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
>
>
>><snip>
>>2. And Adobe Writer isn’t a cheap program to obtain. If you have access to
>>it through work (or own it yourself for work or other reasons) and can
>>create those files – great. Most people do not.
>>
>
> One doesn’t need Adobe Writer to write pdf’s. Current versions of
> WordPerfect allow you to save documents in pdf format and there are
> several inexpensive (~$20) third party programs that will do the same
> for M$ Word.
>
>
>>In short – there is no universal format that everyone can open. The
>>solution? There isn’t one – we can only hope people will inquire if they
>>have a problem with a form and provide various available types for those who
>>have difficulties.
>>
>>Nora
>>
>
> This is true, but currently pdf is about as universal as we’re going to get.
>
> Marty
>
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



Betsy R. Delaney

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Group: runacc Message: 881 From: davedoering Date: 12/7/2004
Subject: Re: A quick point of information for con coms
We might want to consider a different approach to determine format(s)
based on the type of information you are posting.

For CC23, I use PDF for items that might have legal or other serious
consequences if ignored or improperly formatted. For example, the
masquerade entry forms need to be in the exact same format for all
entries. Directors and staff need to see the form the same way every
time to avoid missing things or suffering misunderstandings. The same
for the dealer’s room form.

If the form were in HTML, RTF, or other format the content might
adjust, change, or even hide some text when printed. This would make
it difficult if not impossible to work with.

Also, rules need to have a PDF format to be sure that everyone is on
the same page for the same reason. Word could be a good alternate,
but not HTML or RTF. Those can obscure the focus where emphasis is
needed. For example, safety rules need to stand out.

For other documents, the formatting is a critical bonus with PDF.
CC23’s Local Guide will be in PDF format to keep the handy size/shape
of the original. Printing from an HTML page would be ungainly as 8
1/2 x 11 pages. Setting it out in Word could possibly work, but again
raises the possibility of format changes.

I leave myself the option of using Word for some forms where there
would be extensive input required (and I don’t want to set up a PDF
processor online to handle this.) We haven’t had the need for that
yet but it is an option.

I use both PDF and Word for the flyers. That’s because there’s the
need to be compatible with local resources at the destination con.

I put informational items of general interest in HTML format online.
For example, the Ghosts of Ogden item (about, naturally, the many
ghost sitings locally) will be in HTML as it is an easy read. I don’t
anticipate many printing it out.

That’s just a few thoughts.

Dave Doering

 

Group: runacc Message: 882 From: Tina Connell Date: 12/7/2004
Subject: Re: A quick point of information for con coms

Off topic, but not off-context:

Was that ghost sitings, as in: where they are located (which would make them
easier to locate), or ghost sightings, as in: they’ve been seen?

Tina

—– Original Message —–
From: “davedoering” <dave@techvoice.com>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 6:10 PM
Subject: [runacc] Re: A quick point of information for con coms

>
> I put informational items of general interest in HTML format online.
> For example, the Ghosts of Ogden item (about, naturally, the many
> ghost sitings locally) will be in HTML as it is an easy read. I don’t
> anticipate many printing it out.
>
> That’s just a few thoughts.
>
> Dave Doering

 

Group: runacc Message: 883 From: David Doering Date: 12/7/2004
Subject: Re: A quick point of information for con coms
Tina wrote: “Was that ghost sitings, as in: where they are located (which
would make them easier to locate), or ghost sightings, as in: they’ve been
seen?”

Actually, now that you ask, it could be both. The nearby Ben Lomond Suites
Hotel has a haunted room (I believe 1101). Also, the Ogden Station has
reported sightings and is a site of ghosts. So we have two places we could
go for ghosts.

Okay, so I really meant to say “sightings”, but I think we would all hope
to have a supernatural experience at Costume-Con and knowing where a
sighting is likely is still good advice.

Dave Doering

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Group: runacc Message: 884 From: Kevin Roche Date: 12/9/2004
Subject: For those of you who were concerned…
I sent off our CC26 bid paperwork (well, electronic copy) last night.
I’m now waiting to hear if I missed anything critical.

Karen and/or Betsy, please let me know if you *didn’t* receive it! I
have copies on my laptop and can resend it, or post it to a server for
download if necessary.

Kevin

 

Group: runacc Message: 885 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 12/9/2004
Subject: Re: For those of you who were concerned…

Got my copy this morning, around 5am. Haven’t had time to review. I’m
sure Karen will let you know if there’s anything missing/amiss.

Thanks for letting me know!

Cheers,

Betsy

Kevin Roche wrote:

> I sent off our CC26 bid paperwork (well, electronic copy) last night.
> I’m now waiting to hear if I missed anything critical.
>
> Karen and/or Betsy, please let me know if you *didn’t* receive it! I
> have copies on my laptop and can resend it, or post it to a server for
> download if necessary.
>
> Kevin
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



Betsy R. Delaney

The Lame Duck Presidency starts now. 11/4/04

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Group: runacc Message: 886 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 12/9/2004
Subject: Marketing Contact info…
for St. Louis, this time.

K and I were at Las Vegas Coronation this past weekend, and got to meet
a bunch of folks from around the country, including the Vice-President
of the The Imperial Royal Sovereign Crystal Arch Barony of the St.
Louis Bi State Region <http://www.crystalarch.org/>. The Crystal Arch
Society was just elevated to Baronial status three weeks ago. Las Vegas
is their mother court, so there will be some significant western
attendance at their large events. Schedule to go to their first
Adornment (where the first Baron and Baroness will be crowned). A lot
of out-of-towners will show up since it’s the first time.

No, I don’t have dates. Drop a note to James Stevenson
<vicepresident@crystalarch.org> and mention that Kevin and Andy from
San Jose gave you his address, CC St. Louis yada yada yada.

On a different note (Ogden), We also met the new Empress and Emperor of
Ogden, Marquita and Steve. I don’t have their contact information, they
were just elected two weeks ago and haven’t got cards yet. They’ve got
Kevin’s card, and are going to be getting back to us.

They had no idea that there was going to be a Costume-Con in Ogden this
spring. Now this may be because it was their election night (and that
can be a bit hazy, I’ve been through this twice), but it could be
because y’all weren’t there and didn’t walk as an in-town organization
and litter the tables with fliers like I’ve been suggesting. If you
didn’t, you probably missed over 200 people who spend all their free
time dressing up, and you missed seeing how the Marriott deals with a
hotel full of strange people.


Andy Trembley, Bull-in-Drag
The Bovine Illuminati (It’s the Cows, Inc.)
http://www.bovil.com/
Moo!

 

Group: runacc Message: 887 From: Tina Connell Date: 12/10/2004
Subject: Re: Marketing Contact info…

And how does the Marriott deal with a hotel full of strange people? (Not
that we’re strange, of course.)

Tina

Andy said:

> They had no idea that there was going to be a Costume-Con in Ogden this
> spring. Now this may be because it was their election night (and that
> can be a bit hazy, I’ve been through this twice), but it could be
> because y’all weren’t there and didn’t walk as an in-town organization
> and litter the tables with fliers like I’ve been suggesting. If you
> didn’t, you probably missed over 200 people who spend all their free
> time dressing up, and you missed seeing how the Marriott deals with a
> hotel full of strange people.

 

Group: runacc Message: 888 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 12/10/2004
Subject: Re: Marketing Contact info…

On Dec 10, 2004, at 2:34 AM, Tina Connell wrote:

> And how does the Marriott deal with a hotel full of strange people?
> (Not
> that we’re strange, of course.)

I wasn’t there, I met the Ogden Monarchs in Las Vegas.

Frankly, though, how a hotel deals with a Coronation is not a bad gauge
of how it might deal with a CC. Ballroom staging and electricity needs
are similar to those for a CC, but for only 1 night. Hospitality brings
in more food and a lot more alcohol than a CC. And even out of face,
many drag queens are no more normal looking than many of us…


Andy Trembley, Bull-in-Drag
The Bovine Illuminati (It’s the Cows, Inc.)
http://www.bovil.com/
Moo!

 

Group: runacc Message: 889 From: Tina Connell Date: 12/11/2004
Subject: Re: Marketing Contact info…

I realize that you met them in LV; I just thought that they might have said
something. Would they have, do you think, if their experience had been
negative?

Tina

—– Original Message —–
From: “Andrew T Trembley” <attrembl@bovil.com>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Marketing Contact info…

>
> On Dec 10, 2004, at 2:34 AM, Tina Connell wrote:
>> And how does the Marriott deal with a hotel full of strange people?
>> (Not
>> that we’re strange, of course.)
>
> I wasn’t there, I met the Ogden Monarchs in Las Vegas.
>
> Frankly, though, how a hotel deals with a Coronation is not a bad gauge
> of how it might deal with a CC. Ballroom staging and electricity needs
> are similar to those for a CC, but for only 1 night. Hospitality brings
> in more food and a lot more alcohol than a CC. And even out of face,
> many drag queens are no more normal looking than many of us…
>
> —
> Andy Trembley, Bull-in-Drag
> The Bovine Illuminati (It’s the Cows, Inc.)
> http://www.bovil.com/
> Moo!
>
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 890 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 12/11/2004
Subject: Re: Marketing Contact info…

Tina Connell wrote:

> I realize that you met them in LV; I just thought that they might have said
> something. Would they have, do you think, if their experience had been
> negative?

We (as groups) sometimes have different expectations of what good
service and a good relationship with a hotel is.

Basically, though, I only got to talk with them for about 5 minutes, and
we didn’t have much time for specifics.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 891 From: Kevin Roche Date: 12/11/2004
Subject: Re: Marketing Contact info…

On the other hand, we did not get the “oh my god what a pain the hotel
was” moan which I have heard from a few new monarchs. 🙂

Kevin

Tina Connell wrote:

> I realize that you met them in LV; I just thought that they might have said
> something. Would they have, do you think, if their experience had been
> negative?
>
> Tina

 

Group: runacc Message: 892 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: It’s official!
(formatted version with links posted at
<http://www.livejournal.com/community/costume_con/>

Hooray, hooray, we slogged through the paperwork, turned it in (a bit
late, but with permission, all this Imperial stuff is a lot of work),
and just heard back from Karen Dick.

Our bid submission has been accepted, and “CC26? in Silicon Valley” will
be on the site selection ballot at CC23 in Ogden, Utah.

Leading up to the vote, we’ll have a presence at
FurtherConfusion (January 13-17, San Jose Doubletree)
San Francisco Coronation (February 19, Gift Center Pavilion)
San Jose Coronation (March 12, San Jose Hyatt Mediterranean Center)
Costume-Con 23 (April 29-May 2, Odgen Marriott & Peery Egyptian Theater)

We’ll be looking at getting more things firmed up after SJ Coronation
(when Kevin and my lives get a bit less crazy) so we can mount a strong
campaign (yeah, we’re unopposed, I know) at CC23.


andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen
http://www.irlm.org/ – mailto:webmaster@irlm.org
“Anybody who takes this seriously deserves to”
— Donna Barr

 

Group: runacc Message: 893 From: Kevin Roche Date: 12/15/2004
Subject: [Fwd: Re: [GBACGCostumers] Utah membership]

Hey, David et al… you might want to check on this.

Kevin

——– Original Message ——–
Subject: Re: [GBACGCostumers] Utah membership
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 19:20:46 -0700
From: Kathleen Mary Bernadette <kathleen@fan.com>
Reply-To: GBACGCostumers@yahoogroups.com
To: GBACGCostumers@yahoogroups.com

Hi Kevin, FYI, I’ve sent in my membership twice for Utah. Nary a
response, nor a membership. i’m not happy. Oh, and I got no response
for Austrailia either.

Kathleen

—– Original Message —–
From: “Kevin Roche”
To: GBACGCostumers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [GBACGCostumers] further confusion
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 13:27:35 -0800

>
>
> Even if you can’t go to Utah, buy a supporting membership to CC23 and
> you can vote by mail!
>
> (They need the support, and we get the voting fees as seed money if we
> win, so we’re encouraging people to not just treat this as a sure thing.
> Seed Money is a Goodness. We’ve been financing the bid mostly ourselves
> up until now)
>
> Further Confusion is a “Furry” (Anthropomorphic Animal) themed
> convention at the Doubletree in January. Andy had to drag me to our
> first one because I had only met scary “furry” fans at regular SF
> conventions.
>
> We had so much fun that that FurCon is now on our permanent “must go”
list.
> < http://www.furtherconfusion.org/fc2005/ >
>
> And we’ll be doing an League of Evil Geniuses Hall of Fame party there
> Friday night (that has been the theme for our bid parties).
>
> And, yes, I’m sure Andy will provide more details.
>
> Kevin
>
> Keeler, Jana wrote:
>
> > I’m sure Andy will provide more information…however.
> >
> > Andy and Kevin put in a bid to host the annual Costumer’s Convention
> > (classes/workshops, costume competitions and more) Costume Con 26
right here
> > in our back yard! The last time it was this close to us was Costume
Con 12.
> > Now CC26 will be in 2008 but that’s only about 3 years from now.
Their bid
> > was accepted and will be voted on by the attending membership of
Costume Con
> > 23 in Ogden this April. Since there is no other bid it’s pretty
safe to say
> > they will win the bid. You can read more about Costume Con’s
history at:
> > http://www.costume-con.org/genesis.shtml Here’s a link to the
> > CC26 site: http://cc26.info/
> >
> > Here’s the link to CC23 site: http://www.crossroadsutah.org/
> >
> >
>
>
>
> Visit our resource-packed website at www.gbacg.org
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 894 From: davedoering Date: 12/18/2004
Subject: [Fwd: Re: [GBACGCostumers] Utah membership]
Kevin:

I appreciate you forwarding this on to us. We are looking into this,
and have not found any e-mail or PayPal correspondence for Kathleen,
so I am contacting her directly to find out if this was a paper-based
membership.

Fortunately, my wife Keri retains all correspondence, including
envelopes, so if we have missed this, we will find it.

Please, everyone, don’t hesitate to forward to us any potentially
relevant issues for resolution, even if it might duplicate another
notice. You never know when you are the only person who is seeing the
issue and we don’t want any CC23 member feel unwelcome.

Yours,

Dave Doering
CC23
www.cc23.org

 

Group: runacc Message: 895 From: Kevin Roche Date: 12/18/2004
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [GBACGCostumers] Utah membership]

My pleasure… I built the registration system for a local conference,
including a payment gateway, and know sometimes things go astray.

And I *really* want CC23 to be a success. Call it enlightened
self-interest 🙂

Kevin

davedoering wrote:

>
> Kevin:
>
> I appreciate you forwarding this on to us. We are looking into this,
> and have not found any e-mail or PayPal correspondence for Kathleen,
> so I am contacting her directly to find out if this was a paper-based
> membership.
>
> Fortunately, my wife Keri retains all correspondence, including
> envelopes, so if we have missed this, we will find it.
>
> Please, everyone, don’t hesitate to forward to us any potentially
> relevant issues for resolution, even if it might duplicate another
> notice. You never know when you are the only person who is seeing the
> issue and we don’t want any CC23 member feel unwelcome.
>
> Yours,
>
> Dave Doering
> CC23
> www.cc23.org

 

Group: runacc Message: 896 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 12/18/2004
Subject: Advertising in the ICG Newsletter
Hi, folks!

I had several conversations over time regarding advertising for
Costume-Cons in the ICG Newsletter.

I’ve even heard that I should expect to see ads for CC23. What I have
not seen is the actual ads themselves.

Deadlines are posted on the ICG Yahoogroups calendar, and are announced
twice monthly as reminders.

I’m hosting our annual holiday party tonight. I’ve acquired three more
items that need incorporating into the current issue. And when I’m done,
it goes to the printer. The next issue is not due out until March. If
you’re planning to advertise, please get it to me ASAP!

HINT!!!

Thanks!!!

Betsy


Betsy R. Delaney

The Lame Duck Presidency starts now. 11/4/04

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Group: runacc Message: 897 From: Kevin Roche Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Question about supporting memberships and voting
This is a question which I think has general application, but I’m going
to phrase it in terms of our (CC26 bid) situation.

We’ve been making CC23 membership forms available at all of our bid
parties. We’ve explained that you must have at least a supporting
membership in CC23 to be eligible to vote for our CC26 bid.

Now that ballots are imminent (Right… they are imminent, aren’t they?)
would it be allowed to provide a copy of the mail-in ballot with the
membership application, so that supporters who cannot attend CC23 could
send in paperwork for a supporting membership and their site selection
ballot at one go?

We would remind them to write 2 checks for the two different fees.

I think this is something other bid committees might want to do down the
road as well…

(Our next bid party is Jan 14, so if this is allowed, the ballots are
actually ready and we could get softcopy of the ballot we could start
this at that party)

Thanks

Kevin

 

Group: runacc Message: 898 From: Bruno Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Re: Anime Con comes to St. Louis(!)

Bruce,

Somehow, I just found 31 unread messages in my Run a CC folder, so I’m
catching up.

Since your post, Kunicon has announced even more dates, including Denver in
June and a future date for Salt Lake City.

Regarding their advertising to get members, with the size and
interconnection of the anime and cosplay communities online. If a new con
gets mentioned one place, it will transfer all over.

However, there is currently a crosspost thread on the Denver Cosplay Society
forums about prior issues that people have had with Kunicon. Some people
here are refusing to go in June, while others are willing to give them a
try.

Michael

—– Original Message —–
From: “Bruce & Nora Mai” <casamai@sbcglobal.net>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 10:02 AM
Subject: [runacc] Anime Con comes to St. Louis(!)

>
> We just got word that there’s going to be a new Anime convention started
up
> here in town — in March. AACK! We gotta scramble.
>
> The name of the outfit is Kunicon. Apparently, they are starting a sort
of
> franchise in Miami, here and Atlanta. I’m trying to get ahold of them now
> to get more info. Here is their link: http://stl.kunicon.com/. If
anyone
> has heard anything about who they are, please let us know.
>
> We figure this is our chance to get in on the ground floor, so we’re
hoping
> to volunteer in some capacity. It seems likely, since they sound like
they
> have no people on the ground here in town. It could be a real chance to
> draw some costumers into the community, and a prime opportunity to promote
> CC in the Midwest!
>
> Meanwhile, I think the Guild will probably try to have a crash course in
> anime before the con, so those of our group who don’t have much background
> in it can get up to speed.
>
> We’re all pretty excited about the possibilities. My concerns mainly
> revolve around how many people they can get to come on such relatively
short
> notice. they’d better start promoting like crazy in the region. They’re
at
> a disadvantage from the standpoint that they’ve missed Anime Iowa and
Anime
> Central.
>
> Bruce


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Group: runacc Message: 899 From: Bruno Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Re: A quick point of information for con coms

I have made more fillable PDF forms at work than I care to remember. Some
with hundreds of fields. Can you say each letter in it’s own box? Stupid
FCC.

Michael

—– Original Message —–
From: “Kevin Roche” <kevin@twistedimage.com>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] A quick point of information for con coms

>
> yes, RTF is very dependent on the local environment. I think Word may
> even have started out as RTF under the covers.
>
> It is also possible now to make PDF forms Fill-out-able so that they can
> do a couple of things: Feed data to a script just like HTML forms AND
> let you fill them in BEFORE printing so everything prints nice and neat
> (no filling in little boxes with your marker after printing!)
>
> Kevin


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Group: runacc Message: 900 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Date: 1/9/2005
Subject: Re: [cc23] Fwd: [runacc] Question about supporting memberships

Dave & Charles, I believe there is boilerplate on the Costume-Con.org web
site that would enable you to put together a ballot very quickly.

Andy and Kevin are offering CC-23 quite a bit of publicity here (and maybe
some badly-needed memberships). It would behoove you to get a ballot
together for them by the deadline they stated.

–Karen

At 02:53 PM 1/9/2005 -0800, you wrote:

>Charles Galway wrote:
> > Thanks, that’s a good idea. We’ll see if we can get that to you…
> > Or we could do it via PR-II, due out soon.
> > We’ll let you know.
>
>’k, so dig back for the original message that I forwarded from Kevin.
>
>we need ballots and reg forms before Wednesday so we can put together
>packets for the 2000-person convention (that happens to be very
>costume-heavy) in hope of getting you supporting memberships and getting
>us votes.
>
>andy
>
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