We can probably help you out with some stuff from the Archives if you can give us an idea of what you’d like.

Nora

— On Tue, 7/20/10, Bruno <bruno@soulmasque.com> wrote:

From: Bruno <bruno@soulmasque.com>
Subject: [runacc] what is CC?
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2010, 10:40 PM

My co-chair for CC31 looked at the website and the first thing she
asked was, “where are the pictures of costumes?”  She doesn’t know CC,
but she is a veteran con chair.  My response was that I don’t think
I’ve ever seen costume pictures on a CC website.

That got me to thinking . . . we want new blood, but if they’ve never
been, there’s nothing to really show them why.  We can send them to
the archives, or the connections website, but those are mostly just
masquerade photos.

So, I’m thinking of putting together group of pages for “What is CC?”
with pictures that answer the following statements.

CC is learning – pictures of programming
CC is socializing
CC is friendly competition
CC is costumes

I’m really going to have to search my old CC photos.  I don’t take
nearly as many as I used to.

Michael

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I think that is an *EXCELLENT* idea — would you mind if we linked to whatever gets created too? (CC30)

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Bruno <bruno@…> wrote:
>
> My co-chair for CC31 looked at the website and the first thing she
> asked was, “where are the pictures of costumes?” She doesn’t know CC,
> but she is a veteran con chair. My response was that I don’t think
> I’ve ever seen costume pictures on a CC website.
>
> That got me to thinking . . . we want new blood, but if they’ve never
> been, there’s nothing to really show them why. We can send them to
> the archives, or the connections website, but those are mostly just
> masquerade photos.
>
> So, I’m thinking of putting together group of pages for “What is CC?”
> with pictures that answer the following statements.
>
> CC is learning – pictures of programming
> CC is socializing
> CC is friendly competition
> CC is costumes
>
> I’m really going to have to search my old CC photos. I don’t take
> nearly as many as I used to.
>
>
> Michael
>

We had a “New to Costume-Con?” page on the cc26 website; it’s still up.
http://www.cc26.info/main.php?section=info&page=about

In particular, the short “Costume-con 101” article
http://www.cc26.info/news_item.php?article=CC-26%20101

Our website did have the ability to include photos, and we would
sometimes include them in articles, but we started it back when there
were still lots of people on dial-up, so the site was optimized to load
quickly as mostly text. That is still an important point to consider in
your website design, with more people using smartphones to visit the web.

We then had a separate photo galleries section.

I highly recommend the use of a content management system for your site;
cc26.info was roll-your-own (again, it predated the current crop of free
systems), but I’ve been really happy with the wordpress site I built for
yipezine.com . It includes media management tools, and it’s free.

Kevin

On 7/21/2010 6:34 AM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
>
> We can probably help you out with some stuff from the Archives if you
> can give us an idea of what you’d like.
>
> Nora
>
> ,___

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Kevin, can we edit & use the stuff from your old site?

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair” <chair@…> wrote:
>
> We had a “New to Costume-Con?” page on the cc26 website; it’s still up.
> http://www.cc26.info/main.php?section=info&page=about
>
> In particular, the short “Costume-con 101” article
> http://www.cc26.info/news_item.php?article=CC-26%20101
>
> Our website did have the ability to include photos, and we would
> sometimes include them in articles, but we started it back when there
> were still lots of people on dial-up, so the site was optimized to load
> quickly as mostly text. That is still an important point to consider in
> your website design, with more people using smartphones to visit the web.
>
> We then had a separate photo galleries section.
>
> I highly recommend the use of a content management system for your site;
> cc26.info was roll-your-own (again, it predated the current crop of free
> systems), but I’ve been really happy with the wordpress site I built for
> yipezine.com . It includes media management tools, and it’s free.
>
>
>
>
> Kevin
>
> On 7/21/2010 6:34 AM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
> >
> > We can probably help you out with some stuff from the Archives if you
> > can give us an idea of what you’d like.
> >
> > Nora
> >
> > ,___
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Absolutely! As a courtesy, just credit us (or, if we were quoting
someone else, be sure to credit them!).

That’s actually why I’ve left the site up. We hoped it would be a useful
resource.

(I do have to fix the link to our giant photo repository on Chaz Baden’s
server; somehow the subdomain got messed up).

Kevin

On 7/21/2010 10:04 AM, Margie wrote:
>
> Kevin, can we edit & use the stuff from your old site?
>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>,
> “Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair” <chair@…> wrote:
> >
> > We had a “New to Costume-Con?” page on the cc26 website; it’s still up.
> > http://www.cc26.info/main.php?section=info&page=about
> <http://www.cc26.info/main.php?section=info&page=about>
> >
> > In particular, the short “Costume-con 101” article
> > http://www.cc26.info/news_item.php?article=CC-26%20101
> >
>

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It seems to me that when there was a need for this, (which is most of the time), there was also some concern for photos that are approved for posting, by both the photographer, and the model (and the costume designer?).

So I hope folks are able to put something together, that can then be used, as needed.

Charles

—– Original Message —–
From: Margie
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 8:33 AM
Subject: [runacc] Re: what is CC?

I think that is an *EXCELLENT* idea — would you mind if we linked to whatever gets created too? (CC30)

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Bruno <bruno@…> wrote:
>
> My co-chair for CC31 looked at the website and the first thing she
> asked was, “where are the pictures of costumes?” She doesn’t know CC,
> but she is a veteran con chair. My response was that I don’t think
> I’ve ever seen costume pictures on a CC website.
>
> That got me to thinking . . . we want new blood, but if they’ve never
> been, there’s nothing to really show them why. We can send them to
> the archives, or the connections website, but those are mostly just
> masquerade photos.
>
> So, I’m thinking of putting together group of pages for “What is CC?”
> with pictures that answer the following statements.
>
> CC is learning – pictures of programming
> CC is socializing
> CC is friendly competition
> CC is costumes
>
> I’m really going to have to search my old CC photos. I don’t take
> nearly as many as I used to.
>
>
> Michael
>

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It seems to me that when we register for any MAsq. we do sign a waiver
that allows our photos to be taken. I would certainly be willing for my
Masq. photos to appear on the current CC site (since they are in the ICG
and other Guild archives anyway).

Yours in cosutmign, Lis aA

On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 13:01:09 -0600 “Charles Galway”
<cgalway@xmission.com> writes:

> It seems to me that when there was a need for this, (which is most of
> the time), there was also some concern for photos that are approved
> for posting, by both the photographer, and the model (and the
> costume designer?).
>
> So I hope folks are able to put something together, that can then be
> used, as needed.
>
> Charles
>

271.1.1/3009 – Release Date:

> 07/16/10 06:35:00
>
>

On Jul 21, 2010, at 12:01 PM, Charles Galway wrote:

> It seems to me that when there was a need for this, (which is most of the time), there was also some concern for photos that are approved for posting, by both the photographer, and the model (and the costume designer?).

In general, model releases are the photographer’s concern, not the customer’s concern. Official photos from recent CCs have photo releases (assuming the show directors made it part of the reg forms). Photos from older CCs where the official photographer is a professional likely also have releases.

If you don’t already have permission from the photographer, you need to contact the photographer and get permission.

andy

So you did. Can I steal that?

I did look at some content management systems. I’m hoping I’ll get a
much better webmaster. There’s one in our local con runners group.
Hoping I can snag him after his event in September.

Michael

Quoting “Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair” <chair@cc26.org>:

> We had a “New to Costume-Con?” page on the cc26 website; it’s still up.
> http://www.cc26.info/main.php?section=info&page=about
>
> In particular, the short “Costume-con 101” article
> http://www.cc26.info/news_item.php?article=CC-26%20101
>
> Our website did have the ability to include photos, and we would
> sometimes include them in articles, but we started it back when there
> were still lots of people on dial-up, so the site was optimized to load
> quickly as mostly text. That is still an important point to consider in
> your website design, with more people using smartphones to visit the web.
>
> We then had a separate photo galleries section.
>
> I highly recommend the use of a content management system for your site;
> cc26.info was roll-your-own (again, it predated the current crop of free
> systems), but I’ve been really happy with the wordpress site I built for
> yipezine.com . It includes media management tools, and it’s free.
>
>
>
>
> Kevin
>
> On 7/21/2010 6:34 AM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
>>
>> We can probably help you out with some stuff from the Archives if you
>> can give us an idea of what you’d like.
>>
>> Nora
>>
>> ,___
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

No problem, it’s for the benefit of CC.

Michael

Quoting Margie <marg1066@gmail.com>:

> I think that is an *EXCELLENT* idea — would you mind if we linked
> to whatever gets created too? (CC30)
>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Bruno <bruno@…> wrote:
>>
>> My co-chair for CC31 looked at the website and the first thing she
>> asked was, “where are the pictures of costumes?” She doesn’t know CC,
>> but she is a veteran con chair. My response was that I don’t think
>> I’ve ever seen costume pictures on a CC website.
>>
>> That got me to thinking . . . we want new blood, but if they’ve never
>> been, there’s nothing to really show them why. We can send them to
>> the archives, or the connections website, but those are mostly just
>> masquerade photos.
>>
>> So, I’m thinking of putting together group of pages for “What is CC?”
>> with pictures that answer the following statements.
>>
>> CC is learning – pictures of programming
>> CC is socializing
>> CC is friendly competition
>> CC is costumes
>>
>> I’m really going to have to search my old CC photos. I don’t take
>> nearly as many as I used to.
>>
>>
>> Michael
>>
>
>
>

Besides Chaz’s pictures in his main gallery, starting here:
http://www.boston-baden.com/hazel/Pix/2008/pix6173.htm

There are thousands of pictures on the server at
http://www.boston-baden.com/cc26

Unfortunately, I can’t find the indexing file for it all at this point.

Kevin

On 7/20/2010 8:40 PM, Bruno wrote:
>
> My co-chair for CC31 looked at the website and the first thing she
> asked was, “where are the pictures of costumes?” She doesn’t know CC,
> but she is a veteran con chair. My response was that I don’t think
> I’ve ever seen costume pictures on a CC website.
>
> That got me to thinking . . . we want new blood, but if they’ve never
> been, there’s nothing to really show them why. We can send them to
> the archives, or the connections website, but those are mostly just
> masquerade photos.
>
> So, I’m thinking of putting together group of pages for “What is CC?”
> with pictures that answer the following statements.
>
> CC is learning – pictures of programming
> CC is socializing
> CC is friendly competition
> CC is costumes
>

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Hey, Mike:

You’re welcome to use any of the photos I shot while at CC26. There
weren’t tons, but still a decent number, many in the halls.

Cheers,

Betsy

On 7/22/2010 1:56 AM, Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair wrote:
>
>
>
> Besides Chaz’s pictures in his main gallery, starting here:
> http://www.boston-baden.com/hazel/Pix/2008/pix6173.htm
>
> There are thousands of pictures on the server at
> http://www.boston-baden.com/cc26
>
> Unfortunately, I can’t find the indexing file for it all at this point.
>
> Kevin
>
> On 7/20/2010 8:40 PM, Bruno wrote:
> >
> > My co-chair for CC31 looked at the website and the first thing she
> > asked was, “where are the pictures of costumes?” She doesn’t know CC,
> > but she is a veteran con chair. My response was that I don’t think
> > I’ve ever seen costume pictures on a CC website.
> >
> > That got me to thinking . . . we want new blood, but if they’ve never
> > been, there’s nothing to really show them why. We can send them to
> > the archives, or the connections website, but those are mostly just
> > masquerade photos.
> >
> > So, I’m thinking of putting together group of pages for “What is CC?”
> > with pictures that answer the following statements.
> >
> > CC is learning – pictures of programming
> > CC is socializing
> > CC is friendly competition
> > CC is costumes
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

—
—
Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

Hello everyone,

The kids are gone and the Progress Report #1 has been emailed out.  If you have
not received your PR, please contact me (dfaybuck@yahoo.com) and provide your
address to me.

And, I am sorry that I missed your name since you are working very hard along
with me on this endeavor (nightmare) of a costume con.

Please inform the other groups that you belong to that the PR is out and about
and if they would like one to contact me at the above email address.

Thank you to everyone who contributed to this PR.

Dora

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In the CC29 rules it generally states that there will be no hard copy version of the Folio (CC30 rules will be similar).

But what about folks who sign up at the door? If we have nothing to give them I fear it will fail to stir interest in new designers.

I don’t have any ideas yet but I thought a discussion here would be a good way to come up with a solution.

Nora (running CC30 FFF)

As stated in the CC29 rules there will be no hard copy version of the Folio (the CC30 rules will be very similar).

So what about people who sign up at the door? Not having something for them might stop some growth in acquiring new designers.

I don’t have a solid idea yet, just thought we could discuss it here & come up with a good solution.

Nora (doing the CC30 FFF)

I think that the biggest draw to new designers is not the printed folio, but
the *show* itself. Doing a good job of showing the original designs at the
show (whether through a projection screen or through printing out the
designs used in the show for the program) should interest new designers more
than the book would. However, I think it should also be made clear that
at-con registrations are submitting an email address where the folio will be
emailed as soon as con staff can do it (if they’re on the ball, and reg is
at a slow point, a provided laptop could mean it can be done *at*
registration the day they register), preferably with an explanation email so
that new con members and old can both go home and browse through it.

~Aurora

On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Nora <von_drago@yahoo.com> wrote:

> In the CC29 rules it generally states that there will be no hard copy
> version of the Folio (CC30 rules will be similar).
>
> But what about folks who sign up at the door? If we have nothing to give
> them I fear it will fail to stir interest in new designers.
>
> I don’t have any ideas yet but I thought a discussion here would be a good
> way to come up with a solution.
>
> Nora (running CC30 FFF)
>
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo!
> Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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since at the door memberships are usually substabtially higher, perhaps they can
recieve the hard copy, or disk copy or whatever.
and then there could be hard, or disk copies for a small upcharge for sale to
anyone else that wants one.

not a perfect solution.

I think the web bloging and treating it like an event to advertise plus the
possable adition of a few more cash prizes, might be the hook for new people
that arent cc, or even fannish folks

Ricky

________________________________
From: Aurora Celeste <auroraceleste@gmail.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, October 10, 2010 12:45:03 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] The future of the Future Fashion Folio

I think that the biggest draw to new designers is not the printed folio, but
the *show* itself. Doing a good job of showing the original designs at the
show (whether through a projection screen or through printing out the
designs used in the show for the program) should interest new designers more
than the book would. However, I think it should also be made clear that
at-con registrations are submitting an email address where the folio will be
emailed as soon as con staff can do it (if they’re on the ball, and reg is
at a slow point, a provided laptop could mean it can be done *at*
registration the day they register), preferably with an explanation email so
that new con members and old can both go home and browse through it.

~Aurora

On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Nora <von_drago@yahoo.com> wrote:

> In the CC29 rules it generally states that there will be no hard copy
> version of the Folio (CC30 rules will be similar).
>
> But what about folks who sign up at the door? If we have nothing to give
> them I fear it will fail to stir interest in new designers.
>
> I don’t have any ideas yet but I thought a discussion here would be a good
> way to come up with a solution.
>
> Nora (running CC30 FFF)
>
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo!
> Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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Extra disks on hand might work, they’re not expensive. But hard copies are.

And would it be worth printing up a limited run of hard copies for those who “collect” them for a small fee?

Nora

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Gravely MacCabre <gravelymac@…> wrote:
> since at the door memberships are usually substabtially higher, perhaps they can
> recieve the hard copy, or disk copy or whatever.
> and then there could be hard, or disk copies for a small upcharge for sale to
> anyone else that wants one.
>
> not a perfect solution.
>
> I think the web bloging and treating it like an event to advertise plus the
> possable adition of a few more cash prizes, might be the hook for new people
> that arent cc, or even fannish folks
> Â
> Ricky

I disagree; I think many new designers are hooked by seeing the Folio outside of a CC. I’ve shown mine to many folks in the past and they’ve gotten very excited.

The show itself is very limited, there is seldom a very high percentage of re-created designs so it doesn’t capture the full feel of the Folio. Having your design made up by someone is very exciting but getting into the Folio is the actual accomplishment.

But that’s not really the question. The Folio will be created & distributed to all pre-reg members electronically. At the door reg deserves their Folio somehow so is the answer to distribute them post-con or have disc copies avaialable (for everyone or a little cost) or what?
A limited run of hard copies for sale might be a thought but is it really worth it?

I don’t see any purpose in emailing them out during the con. I would presume one would be too busy at the con to download & look through it while there.

Nora

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Aurora Celeste <auroraceleste@…> wrote:
>
> I think that the biggest draw to new designers is not the printed folio, but
> the *show* itself. Doing a good job of showing the original designs at the
> show (whether through a projection screen or through printing out the
> designs used in the show for the program) should interest new designers more
> than the book would. However, I think it should also be made clear that
> at-con registrations are submitting an email address where the folio will be
> emailed as soon as con staff can do it (if they’re on the ball, and reg is
> at a slow point, a provided laptop could mean it can be done *at*
> registration the day they register), preferably with an explanation email so
> that new con members and old can both go home and browse through it.
>
> ~Aurora

A nuts and bolts question, not knowing where the budget items are going:

If you reduce the cost of the con by taking away one of the known perks,
does that cause grousing when folks discover they’re paying the same (or
more) for less? Does the grousing matter?

I ask because I recall grousing when the Whole Costumers’ Catalog
disappeared for good but the cost of the con increased. I know it was a
pain in the a$$ to maintain and I’m not saying it should come back,
because the web does it so much better now, but someone noticed then and
someone’s bound to notice now that part of the membership used to cover
those costs and will ask where the dollars are going instead.

For me, I really liked being able to look at the print thing, and I
agree it was nice to show the newbies, but the web allows for color
which is simply too expensive otherwise. How will the electronic version
be distributed? Printable PDF? Image album?

I’m totally out of the loop these days, likely to remain so for at least
the next couple of years at the rate my life is going, and I hate to be
a gadfly about something in which I’m not directly involved, but I gotta
ask why. Please forgive me and don’t yell. It’s been a hard couple of years.

Thanks,

Betsy

On 10/10/2010 5:21 PM, Nora wrote:
>
>
> Extra disks on hand might work, they’re not expensive. But hard copies are.
>
> And would it be worth printing up a limited run of hard copies for those
> who “collect” them for a small fee?
>
> Nora
>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>, Gravely
> MacCabre <gravelymac@…> wrote:
> > since at the door memberships are usually substabtially higher,
> perhaps they can
> > recieve the hard copy, or disk copy or whatever.
> > and then there could be hard, or disk copies for a small upcharge
> for sale to
> > anyone else that wants one.
> >
> > not a perfect solution.
> >
> > I think the web bloging and treating it like an event to
> advertise plus the
> > possable adition of a few more cash prizes, might be the hook for new
> people
> > that arent cc, or even fannish folks
> > Â
> > Ricky
>
>

—
—
Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

In a message dated 10/10/2010 5:31:30 PM Central Daylight Time,
aramintamd@gmail.com writes:

> A nuts and bolts question, not knowing where the budget items are going:

Just an FYI, one of the biggest expenditures of CC28 was the printing and
mailing of the folio.

Henry

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Alway is. That’s part of the reason I brought up this discussion.

Nora

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, osierhenry@… wrote:
> Just an FYI, one of the biggest expenditures of CC28 was the printing and
> mailing of the folio.
>
> Henry

Can you give us any hard numbers Henry? Like the folio cost X, the con
brought in Y, and the overall budget was Z?

On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Nora <von_drago@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Alway is. That’s part of the reason I brought up this discussion.
>
> Nora
>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, osierhenry@… wrote:
> > Just an FYI, one of the biggest expenditures of CC28 was the printing and
> > mailing of the folio.
> >
> > Henry
>
>
>
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo!
> Groups Links
>
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

What about providing the folio on a CD at registration?

Michael

> On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Nora <von_drago@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> In the CC29 rules it generally states that there will be no hard copy
>> version of the Folio (CC30 rules will be similar).
>>
>> But what about folks who sign up at the door? If we have nothing to give
>> them I fear it will fail to stir interest in new designers.
>>
>> I don’t have any ideas yet but I thought a discussion here would be a good
>> way to come up with a solution.
>>
>> Nora (running CC30 FFF)
>>
>>
>>
>> ————————————
>>
>> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo!
>> Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

Since we’re on the subject of the folio. I had a dream that the
Fashion Show was done as part of the Exhibits. The folio pages were
posted on the wall with the created designs on a mannequins next to
them. It gave people the opportunity to see the design and finished
garment side by side.

Would CC lose anything by making the Fashion Show a static display
instead of a stage show?

Michael

Oooo. Good question. I hadn’t thought about that. When I was thinking
“yeah, electronic mailings would save a TON of money”, there is the whole
“getting more for less thing.” The only way I could see you could sell the
idea is making the point that it’s getting more and more expensive to do a
small con like a CC, and it would help slow down those price hikes. But, I
could see a lot of people not liking CC pulling the same kind of idea that
candy bar makers and others are doing – keeping the same price, but making
the bar smaller.

I have to agree, I think there is a significant number of people (maybe it’s
a generational thing) who prefer the hold tactile experience of holding a
publication and being able to flip back and forth. Clicking from page to
page just doesn’t have the same satisfaction.

Bruce

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Betsy Delaney
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 5:31 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio

A nuts and bolts question, not knowing where the budget items are going:

If you reduce the cost of the con by taking away one of the known perks,
does that cause grousing when folks discover they’re paying the same (or
more) for less? Does the grousing matter?

I ask because I recall grousing when the Whole Costumers’ Catalog
disappeared for good but the cost of the con increased. I know it was a
pain in the a$$ to maintain and I’m not saying it should come back,
because the web does it so much better now, but someone noticed then and
someone’s bound to notice now that part of the membership used to cover
those costs and will ask where the dollars are going instead.

For me, I really liked being able to look at the print thing, and I
agree it was nice to show the newbies, but the web allows for color
which is simply too expensive otherwise. How will the electronic version
be distributed? Printable PDF? Image album?

Betsy

On 10/10/2010 5:21 PM, Nora wrote:

Maybe I’m breaking into the older generation, but I printed my copy out as
soon as I got it last year. It’s one of those things that I wanted in
print, too. I find that I print out all my references for costuming, it’s
just easier to reference if it’s on paper.

On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Nora & Bruce Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> Oooo. Good question. I hadn’t thought about that. When I was thinking
> “yeah, electronic mailings would save a TON of money”, there is the whole
> “getting more for less thing.” The only way I could see you could sell the
> idea is making the point that it’s getting more and more expensive to do a
> small con like a CC, and it would help slow down those price hikes. But, I
> could see a lot of people not liking CC pulling the same kind of idea that
> candy bar makers and others are doing – keeping the same price, but making
> the bar smaller.
>
> I have to agree, I think there is a significant number of people (maybe
> it’s
> a generational thing) who prefer the hold tactile experience of holding a
> publication and being able to flip back and forth. Clicking from page to
> page just doesn’t have the same satisfaction.
>
> Bruce
>
> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Betsy Delaney
> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 5:31 PM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
>
> A nuts and bolts question, not knowing where the budget items are going:
>
> If you reduce the cost of the con by taking away one of the known perks,
> does that cause grousing when folks discover they’re paying the same (or
> more) for less? Does the grousing matter?
>
> I ask because I recall grousing when the Whole Costumers’ Catalog
> disappeared for good but the cost of the con increased. I know it was a
> pain in the a$$ to maintain and I’m not saying it should come back,
> because the web does it so much better now, but someone noticed then and
> someone’s bound to notice now that part of the membership used to cover
> those costs and will ask where the dollars are going instead.
>
> For me, I really liked being able to look at the print thing, and I
> agree it was nice to show the newbies, but the web allows for color
> which is simply too expensive otherwise. How will the electronic version
> be distributed? Printable PDF? Image album?
>
>
> Betsy
>
> On 10/10/2010 5:21 PM, Nora wrote:
>
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo!
> Groups Links
>
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I think making the Fashion Show a static display would be the end of
both the show and the Folio. Already, for many people, if they are
doing both the Fashion Show and one (or more) of the main stage
competitions, the Fashion Show garment is the one that will get cut
if there is a time or money crunch. Being able to actually wear it
is just about the only reason I do a Folio garment, as I’m a slow
sewer. Plus there are the ones who don’t like the competitive nature
of the F/SF or Historical, and see the Fashion Show as a “safe” stage
venue to display their work.

I know I wouldn’t bother to make a Fashion Show outfit if it was only
going to be on a mannequin.

My opinion only, Pierre’s may differ.
Sandy

At 09:52 PM 10/10/2010, you wrote:

>Since we’re on the subject of the folio. I had a dream that the
>Fashion Show was done as part of the Exhibits. The folio pages were
>posted on the wall with the created designs on a mannequins next to
>them. It gave people the opportunity to see the design and finished
>garment side by side.
>
>Would CC lose anything by making the Fashion Show a static display
>instead of a stage show?
>
>Michael

International Costumers’ Guild Archivist

http://www.costume.org/gallery2/main.php

“Those Who Fail to Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly –
Why They Are Simply Doomed.”

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C. Y. 4971

Andromeda

We like paper. We also printed out the PDF as soon as we got
it. Much easier to carry around and consider in depth what (if
anything) you want to make. Also, invaluable to take to the fabric
store when getting materials to create the item.

P & S

At 10:44 PM 10/10/2010, you wrote:

>Maybe I’m breaking into the older generation, but I printed my copy out as
>soon as I got it last year. It’s one of those things that I wanted in
>print, too. I find that I print out all my references for costuming, it’s
>just easier to reference if it’s on paper.
>
>On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Nora & Bruce Mai
><<mailto:casamai%40sbcglobal.net>casamai@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
>
> > Oooo. Good question. I hadn’t thought about that. When I was thinking
> > “yeah, electronic mailings would save a TON of money”, there is the whole
> > “getting more for less thing.” The only way I could see you could sell the
> > idea is making the point that it’s getting more and more expensive to do a
> > small con like a CC, and it would help slow down those price hikes. But, I
> > could see a lot of people not liking CC pulling the same kind of idea that
> > candy bar makers and others are doing – keeping the same price, but making
> > the bar smaller.
> >
> > I have to agree, I think there is a significant number of people (maybe
> > it’s
> > a generational thing) who prefer the hold tactile experience of holding a
> > publication and being able to flip back and forth. Clicking from page to
> > page just doesn’t have the same satisfaction.
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> > —–Original Message—–
> > From: <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>runacc@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> > Betsy Delaney
> > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 5:31 PM
> > To: <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>runacc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
> >
> > A nuts and bolts question, not knowing where the budget items are going:
> >
> > If you reduce the cost of the con by taking away one of the known perks,
> > does that cause grousing when folks discover they’re paying the same (or
> > more) for less? Does the grousing matter?
> >
> > I ask because I recall grousing when the Whole Costumers’ Catalog
> > disappeared for good but the cost of the con increased. I know it was a
> > pain in the a$$ to maintain and I’m not saying it should come back,
> > because the web does it so much better now, but someone noticed then and
> > someone’s bound to notice now that part of the membership used to cover
> > those costs and will ask where the dollars are going instead.
> >
> > For me, I really liked being able to look at the print thing, and I
> > agree it was nice to show the newbies, but the web allows for color
> > which is simply too expensive otherwise. How will the electronic version
> > be distributed? Printable PDF? Image album?
> >
> >
> > Betsy

International Costumers’ Guild Archivist

http://www.costume.org/gallery2/main.php

“Those Who Fail to Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly –
Why They Are Simply Doomed.”

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C. Y. 4971

Andromeda

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I think a static show could be a good *addition* to the runway show. Then
again, I think it would be neat to have space and dummies available for the
winners of any show to put their garments in the display the next day, or
the next year.

On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 12:25 AM, Pierre & Sandy Pettinger <
costumrs@radiks.net> wrote:

> I think making the Fashion Show a static display would be the end of
> both the show and the Folio. Already, for many people, if they are
> doing both the Fashion Show and one (or more) of the main stage
> competitions, the Fashion Show garment is the one that will get cut
> if there is a time or money crunch. Being able to actually wear it
> is just about the only reason I do a Folio garment, as I’m a slow
> sewer. Plus there are the ones who don’t like the competitive nature
> of the F/SF or Historical, and see the Fashion Show as a “safe” stage
> venue to display their work.
>
> I know I wouldn’t bother to make a Fashion Show outfit if it was only
> going to be on a mannequin.
>
> My opinion only, Pierre’s may differ.
> Sandy
>
> At 09:52 PM 10/10/2010, you wrote:
>
> >Since we’re on the subject of the folio. I had a dream that the
> >Fashion Show was done as part of the Exhibits. The folio pages were
> >posted on the wall with the created designs on a mannequins next to
> >them. It gave people the opportunity to see the design and finished
> >garment side by side.
> >
> >Would CC lose anything by making the Fashion Show a static display
> >instead of a stage show?
> >
> >Michael
>
> International Costumers’ Guild Archivist
>
> http://www.costume.org/gallery2/main.php
>
> “Those Who Fail to Learn History
> Are Doomed to Repeat It;
> Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly –
> Why They Are Simply Doomed.”
>
> Achemdro’hm
> “The Illusion of Historical Fact”
> — C. Y. 4971
>
> Andromeda
>
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo!
> Groups Links
>
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

May I just say that I LOVE this idea, Aurora?!?

It’s really unlikely I’ll go to the next two CCs, or that it will be a
last minute decision, because I simply can’t depend on Dan being
available or willing to take the girls for the weekend when I need him
to do it and I can’t afford a sitter.

That said, I want to encourage CC programing folks to include a “show
and tell” panel pro-forma during the weekend. You can get a lot of
mileage from being able to show stuff off right there at the con.

Obviously I can’t commit to being the one to moderate such a panel, but
it’s dirt easy to do. In fact, it would be awesome to have two: One for
the SF and one for the Fashion Show and Historical.

Just saying.

Betsy

On 10/11/2010 1:23 AM, Aurora Celeste wrote:
>
>
> I think a static show could be a good *addition* to the runway show. Then
> again, I think it would be neat to have space and dummies available for the
> winners of any show to put their garments in the display the next day, or
> the next year.

—
—
Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

Got it Betsy. You were heard.

Yours in costuming, Lisa A

On Mon, 11 Oct 2010 07:19:37 -0400 Betsy Delaney <aramintamd@gmail.com>
writes:

> May I just say that I LOVE this idea, Aurora?!?
>
> It’s really unlikely I’ll go to the next two CCs, or that it will be
> a
> last minute decision, because I simply can’t depend on Dan being
> available or willing to take the girls for the weekend when I need
> him
> to do it and I can’t afford a sitter.
>
> That said, I want to encourage CC programing folks to include a
> “show
> and tell” panel pro-forma during the weekend. You can get a lot of
> mileage from being able to show stuff off right there at the con.
>
> Obviously I can’t commit to being the one to moderate such a panel,
> but
> it’s dirt easy to do. In fact, it would be awesome to have two: One
> for
> the SF and one for the Fashion Show and Historical.
>
> Just saying.
>
> Betsy
>
> On 10/11/2010 1:23 AM, Aurora Celeste wrote:
> >
> >
> > I think a static show could be a good *addition* to the runway
> show. Then
> > again, I think it would be neat to have space and dummies
> available for the
> > winners of any show to put their garments in the display the next
> day, or
> > the next year.
>
>
> —
> —
> Betsy Marks Delaney
>
> http://www.hawkeswood.com/
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document:
> http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

In a message dated 10/10/2010 7:00:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
auroraceleste@gmail.com writes:

> Can you give us any hard numbers Henry? Like the folio cost X, the con
> brought in Y, and the overall budget was Z?
>
>
>
>

Folio cost is mostly stuck in my head. That was around $650. And then
slightly over another $100 for mailing.

The next two numbers evade my mind. But, I will say this: We paid the hotel
bill, which was $11,400, with money left over. We should have the books
closed on CC28 by the end of the month. And, yes, there will be money passed
ahead. We just have to decided how much to everyone.

Henry

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In a message dated 10/10/2010 11:29:22 PM Central Daylight Time,
costumrs@radiks.net writes:

> I think making the Fashion Show a static display would be the end of
> both the show and the Folio.
>
>
>

Pierre,
I agree. I also had to read your comment twice. I thought you were
saying that the Folio could be printed and on display near registration for
all to view. But you didn’t.
It is an idea, though.
Henry

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Folio costs can be seriously reduced by not mailing them. As much as a third to a half of the cost is mailing.

So if it were produced electronically & sent out via email before the con & then a hard copy was included with the program book at registration onsite, there would still be a significant savings.

Just one idea (amongst many).

Nora

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, osierhenry@… wrote:
>
> In a message dated 10/10/2010 7:00:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
> auroraceleste@… writes:
> > Can you give us any hard numbers Henry? Like the folio cost X, the con
> > brought in Y, and the overall budget was Z?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> Folio cost is mostly stuck in my head. That was around $650. And then
> slightly over another $100 for mailing.
>
> The next two numbers evade my mind. But, I will say this: We paid the hotel
> bill, which was $11,400, with money left over. We should have the books
> closed on CC28 by the end of the month. And, yes, there will be money passed
> ahead. We just have to decided how much to everyone.
>
> Henry
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Another approach would be to produce them on CD not hard copy. CD’s in
bulk are about $0.15 these days and even with mailers & postage it would
probably cost less that $1.00 each to produce and mail them. Everyone
doesn’t have high speed broadband email and jpg’s of decent quality
aren’t small files.
Marty

On 10/11/2010 7:25 PM, Nora wrote:
>
> Folio costs can be seriously reduced by not mailing them. As much as a
> third to a half of the cost is mailing.
>
> So if it were produced electronically & sent out via email before the
> con & then a hard copy was included with the program book at
> registration onsite, there would still be a significant savings.
>
> Just one idea (amongst many).
>
> Nora
>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>,
> osierhenry@… wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 10/10/2010 7:00:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > auroraceleste@… writes:
> > > Can you give us any hard numbers Henry? Like the folio cost X, the con
> > > brought in Y, and the overall budget was Z?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > Folio cost is mostly stuck in my head. That was around $650. And then
> > slightly over another $100 for mailing.
> >
> > The next two numbers evade my mind. But, I will say this: We paid
> the hotel
> > bill, which was $11,400, with money left over. We should have the books
> > closed on CC28 by the end of the month. And, yes, there will be
> money passed
> > ahead. We just have to decided how much to everyone.
> >
> > Henry
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
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And take the time to master them to run a slide show,
and to print good copies of individual designs for the people
constructing them!

(Remember — digital packaging also means that you can include all the
color renderings that may have (been provided…

While I, too, liked the hardcopy when promoting CC26, it was the slide
shows (running in digital frames or old slate computers) that caught
peoples’ eye and brought them to our table. We also finally resorted to
drilling and loading our sample Folios into looseleaf binders to make it
harder for folks to run off with them.

Properly mastered, a digital media FFF could still be a valued physical
asset for members.

Kevin

On 10/11/2010 8:05 PM, Martin Gear wrote:
>
> Another approach would be to produce them on CD not hard copy. CD’s in
> bulk are about $0.15 these days and even with mailers & postage it would
> probably cost less that $1.00 each to produce and mail them. Everyone
> doesn’t have high speed broadband email and jpg’s of decent quality
> aren’t small files.
> Marty
>
> ,___

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I like the idea of having a downloadable version available, but also having a CD copy available.

Like many other people have stated, I enjoy having a hard copy. Perhaps print hard copies for pick up

at the convention, (saving the mailing expense). Perhaps give hard copies to people who were printed in the

folio or who produced designs from it. It might up the participation rate. (?)

~Dawn

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In a message dated 10/11/2010 10:05:08 PM Central Daylight Time,
MartinGear@comcast.net writes:

> Another approach would be to produce them on CD not hard copy.
>
>
>

I have always liked this idea. I remember when it was brought up here a few
years ago. I remember a strong “I like the paper version more” reply. But
costs and attitudes do change.

Just saying, not disagreeing.

Henry

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In a message dated 10/12/2010 10:57:57 AM Central Daylight Time,
kaijugal@hotmail.com writes:

> I like the idea of having a downloadable version available, but also
> having a CD copy available.

I am catching up on e-mail, so forgive me if the following has been brought
up.

There are some regular contributors who do not want their designs on the
internet in any fashion. Which is why Aurora and Nora took to e-mailing the
folio to individuals directly for CC28.

Henry

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At this point, I want CC 30 to have hard copy available for those who can’t get it electronically, as well as for at-the-door folks. We will decide closer to the con just how many to have prepared ahead.

Plus, I want to give the Archives a hard copy.

Elaine
Chair, CC 30

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: von_drago@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 16:16:24 +0000
Subject: [runacc] The future of the Future Fashion Folio

In the CC29 rules it generally states that there will be no hard copy version of the Folio (CC30 rules will be similar).

But what about folks who sign up at the door? If we have nothing to give them I fear it will fail to stir interest in new designers.

I don’t have any ideas yet but I thought a discussion here would be a good way to come up with a solution.

Nora (running CC30 FFF)

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Great suggestion! Thanks, Aurora!

Elaine

I think that the biggest draw to new designers is not the printed folio, but
the *show* itself. Doing a good job of showing the original designs at the
show (whether through a projection screen or through printing out the
designs used in the show for the program) should interest new designers more
than the book would. However, I think it should also be made clear that
at-con registrations are submitting an email address where the folio will be
emailed as soon as con staff can do it (if they’re on the ball, and reg is
at a slow point, a provided laptop could mean it can be done *at*
registration the day they register), preferably with an explanation email so
that new con members and old can both go home and browse through it.

~Aurora

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Location: Totonto, Ontario, Canada

Dates: TBD (ideally the last weekend in April/first weekend in May 2014)

Venue: TBD (probably the The International Plaza hotel, but 2 other backup hotels are in reserve)

Committee:
Chair: Dawn McKechnie
Con Advisor: Barb Schofield
Treasurer: Maral Agnerian

Supporting organizations:
Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada, Anime North, Smofcan

Voting to take place at Costume-Con 29 in 2011 (you must have at least a supporting membership in CC29 to vote).

–Karen

Coming into this discussion late…(Sorry…most of my YahooGroups mail appears to be going to an email account I don’t have access to any more, and I don’t see a global way to fix it…)

I will reiterate what someone said: Several of the strongest designers are ADAMANT that they will NOT submit if their work is posted to the Internet (especially in downloadable form). They have had documentable design theft in the past, so I don’t blame them for having this attitude. They were even struggling with the idea of their designs being emailed, so future committees BE AWARE of this issue.

Releasing the Folio electronically is actually a PLUS, because you can have the designs in color, which is not possible in a printed Folio (too expensive).

I don’t see why there can’t be copies of the Folio on disk at the con to hand to at the door registratons…there is also nothing wrong with mailing copies to the at the door people after the con. This has been done in the past with hard copies of the Folio and copies of the Whole Costumer’s Catalogue, so there is a precedent. And discs are cheaper to burn and mail than a printed Folio. If people want the tactile feel of a printed folio, they will take the disc and print themselves a copy.

–Karen

I used to be on the side of “it’s all costume” but am having a re-think
because of this discussion.

I might suggest, after reading all the varied responses to the initial
discussion starter, that it *could* be prudent to create a more official
“for release” description of what we mean by the word “costume” as it
relates to the event called Costume-Con.

I’ll tell you why.

Way back, in the dark ages, when I ran CCXV, I tried very hard to pull
in the local historical impressionists (recreationists isn’t always
right anymore) and got a whole bunch of push back from them.

In the end we had a respectable population of folks who don’t do fantasy
costume and we had a decent historical masquerade, but that push back
has stuck with me since then.

Would we reach more people if there was a more universally acceptable
description of what the word “costume” means to us? Something simple and
clear, to the point, that addresses all aspects of clothing and its
various uses?

After all, even in the fantasy/sf worlds, most of what we think of as
“costume” would be considered “clothing” to the folks wearing it, with
the exception of folks in the entertainment biz.

Food for thought on a gloomy and cold morning. No, I’m not volunteering
to write it.

Cheers,

Betsy

On 12/4/2010 11:15 PM, Kaijugal . wrote:
> By definition it’s all costume. It’s hard to know every groups personal preferences.
> It’s nice to try an use the terms that certain groups prefer for their own form of dress,
> but as pointed out, even within groups there are individuals with differing preferences.

[snip]

—
—
Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

Been following along since the subject came up. Thought it prudent to
forward something that’s been bothering me a while.

If you’re not on the list, now might be a worthwhile time to go poke
into the public archives on the yahoogroups site and see what’s going on.

Just a thought.

Betsy

(ps: Checking in, because I haven’t in a while. If you’re receiving
these messages and you don’t want to be, please let us know or follow
the un-sub link below.)

—
—
Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

I believe there was a movement to collect names/addresses/email addresses to create a permanent CC mailing list. I know I have the option to join the list on my registration forms. Does that list exist yet? If so, who has it?

Thanks.

Michael

Michael.

We got the list from Dora, and have been adding to it. I’ll ask Marg (Oh, Marg!) to get you a copy. It may be in Kim’s records.

Elaine
Nil significat nisi oscillat!

I believe there was a movement to collect names/addresses/email addresses to create a permanent CC mailing list. I know I have the option to join the list on my registration forms. Does that list exist yet? If so, who has it?

Thanks.

Michael

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I still have to get the reg list from 28 done. Too much life in the way
since then.

Henry

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Yeah, we started this back at CC25. Good to know it’s still around and someone’s trying to keep it current.

Nora

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Mami <ecmami@…> wrote:
>
>
> Michael.
>
> We got the list from Dora, and have been adding to it. I’ll ask Marg (Oh, Marg!) to get you a copy. It may be in Kim’s records.
>
> Elaine
> Nil significat nisi oscillat!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I believe there was a movement to collect names/addresses/email addresses to create a permanent CC mailing list. I know I have the option to join the list on my registration forms. Does that list exist yet? If so, who has it?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Michael
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