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Group: runacc Message: 3104 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/18/2016
Subject: Re: CC34 Future Fashion Folio
Group: runacc Message: 3105 From: herself-the-elf@rogers.com Date: 6/18/2016
Subject: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
Group: runacc Message: 3106 From: herself-the-elf@rogers.com Date: 6/19/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
Group: runacc Message: 3107 From: dandyhank Date: 6/19/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
Group: runacc Message: 3108 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/27/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
Group: runacc Message: 3109 From: Marg Grady Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
Group: runacc Message: 3110 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
Group: runacc Message: 3111 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
Group: runacc Message: 3112 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
Group: runacc Message: 3113 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
Group: runacc Message: 3114 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
Group: runacc Message: 3115 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
Group: runacc Message: 3116 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
Group: runacc Message: 3117 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Example misconception
Group: runacc Message: 3118 From: Kevin Roche Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
Group: runacc Message: 3119 From: Vicky Young Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
Group: runacc Message: 3120 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
Group: runacc Message: 3121 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
Group: runacc Message: 3122 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
Group: runacc Message: 3123 From: ma0902432 Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
Group: runacc Message: 3124 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Example misconception
Group: runacc Message: 3125 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
Group: runacc Message: 3126 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Example misconception – the “Guidelines”
Group: runacc Message: 3127 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: “My First Costume-Con” (RE: [runacc] Some ideas for promoting CC)
Group: runacc Message: 3128 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/29/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
Group: runacc Message: 3129 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/29/2016
Subject: Re: Example misconception
Group: runacc Message: 3130 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/29/2016
Subject: Re: “My First Costume-Con” (RE: [runacc] Some ideas for promoting C
Group: runacc Message: 3131 From: Rick Kovalcik Date: 7/4/2016
Subject: costumecon 37 table at Worldcon
Group: runacc Message: 3132 From: Kevin Roche Date: 7/7/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
Group: runacc Message: 3133 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/7/2016
Subject: Taking back a Worldcon Award (was: Some ideas for promoting CC)
Group: runacc Message: 3134 From: Kevin Roche Date: 7/8/2016
Subject: Re: Taking back a Worldcon Award (was: Some ideas for promoting CC)
Group: runacc Message: 3135 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/8/2016
Subject: Re: Taking back a Worldcon Award (was: Some ideas for promoting CC)
Group: runacc Message: 3136 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 7/29/2016
Subject: Madison Info
Group: runacc Message: 3137 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 7/30/2016
Subject: Fwd: Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration for
Group: runacc Message: 3138 From: Kaijugal . Date: 7/31/2016
Subject: Re: Fwd: Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration
Group: runacc Message: 3139 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 7/31/2016
Subject: Re: Fwd: Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration
Group: runacc Message: 3140 From: Sharon Sbarsky Date: 7/31/2016
Subject: Re: Fwd: Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration
Group: runacc Message: 3141 From: Sharon Sbarsky Date: 7/31/2016
Subject: Re: costumecon 37 table at Worldcon
Group: runacc Message: 3142 From: Byron Connell Date: 7/31/2016
Subject: Re: Fwd: Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration
Group: runacc Message: 3143 From: Kaijugal . Date: 7/31/2016
Subject: Re: Fwd: Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration
Group: runacc Message: 3144 From: beckieboo817 Date: 8/22/2016
Subject: Costume Con 36
Group: runacc Message: 3145 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 9/13/2016
Subject: Costume-ConNections just got a massive overhaul!
Group: runacc Message: 3146 From: Byron Connell Date: 9/13/2016
Subject: Re: Costume-ConNections just got a massive overhaul!
Group: runacc Message: 3147 From: casamai Date: 11/27/2016
Subject: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 3148 From: casamai Date: 11/28/2016
Subject: Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 3149 From: Sharon Sbarsky Date: 11/28/2016
Subject: Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 3150 From: Byron Connell Date: 11/28/2016
Subject: Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 3151 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 11/29/2016
Subject: Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 3152 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 11/29/2016
Subject: Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 3153 From: ma0902432 Date: 11/29/2016
Subject: Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite

 


 

Group: runacc Message: 3104 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/18/2016
Subject: Re: CC34 Future Fashion Folio

 


I enjoy the folio both ways. My viewer allows for a 2 up page view so it works for me both ways.

The folio was nicely laid out Nora.

 

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 

 

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Group: runacc Message: 3105 From: herself-the-elf@rogers.com Date: 6/18/2016
Subject: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
I recently got back from AnimeNext where I was promoting CC35. I’ve
been doing CC promo at anime and comic-cons on and off for around 4
years now, and have recently been mulling over my experiences and
thoughts about what needs to be done to carry Costume-Con into the
future and keep it successful and relevant.

I feel
very strongly about Costume-Con and really love it. Because of this I’m
very concerned about how best to attract younger costumers, because most
of them have come up through the anime and comic-con circuit which is
in most cases completely separate from the older sci-fi and literary con
circuit. So many costumers who would have a blast at CC never even hear
about it.

Here are some of my thoughts about what’s
needed. I am willing to put my money where my mouth is and pitch in for a lot of
this, but it would be great to get some help ;D
#1 – Improving Web Presence

First
off, we urgently need a modern, accessible, centralized Costume-Con.com
page so that when people google ‘Costume-Con’ they find useful,
up-to-date information AND see something that will get them interested.
This is the most critical thing. The current page is both out-of-date in
terms of information, and makes the casual observer assume that the
event is either defunct or very disorganized. Cosplayers are extremely
web-savvy and are unlikely to take a chance on a con that has a weak web
presence. We need something in line with the websites for your standard
modern comic, media or anime con if we want the younger generation of
costumers to not dismiss us out of hand without even finding out that CC
has great stuff going on.

I would be happy to build and maintain a new costume-con.com page. I WANT to do it, I just need to be able to access the domain. If someone else is going to do it, that’s great, but it is extremely
important that it gets done ASAP. Many people I was talking to at
AnimeNext were very interested in attending CC37 in Salem and other
future CCs, but without a functional centralized way of finding CC (and
if they don’t know the CC# to search for it), we will continue to
struggle at attracting new attendees. It’s about more than just
promoting the current or upcoming CC; many people are now hearing about
the con for the first time and we need to think about the long game.

Ideally
the new page would have some good graphics, eye-catching photos, and clear, basic info about what CC is, how it works, why cosplayers should be
interested. What it does that is different from other cons.

#2 – Promotion at other cons

I think it would be really useful to have
eye-catching promo material that is non-year-specific, that can be
reused and passed on. It is critical to do outreach at anime and
comic-cons in the areas near upcoming CCs, not just to get them to
register for the upcoming one, but to spread awareness of CC and get
them talking to their local costuming communities, to spread interest
and excitement. I’m planning on getting at least one large-format banner
printed that could be used by many successive CCs for promotion at
anime and comic-cons, as well as some postcards that have a brief
explanation of CC’s concept and the dates/locations of the next few
upcoming CCs. So even if they can’t make the next one, they can start
planning for future CCs.

The important thing is grabbing people’s attention and then
explaining what CC can offer them. The spiel I’ve found which works the
best usually touches on:

– 4 days of nonstop costuming/cosplay!

any kind of costume is welcome, from media recreation to historical to
original design! This is especially useful to emphasize, as many anime
cons only allow or embrace Japanese-origin costumes. Many cosplayers
would like to branch out but don’t know there’s a venue that would
welcome this!
– 4 different competitions, including a fashion design competition
– dealer’s room full of costume supplies
– shopping tours
– all the panels and workshops are about learning cool new skills and techniques

– “It’s basically cosplayer heaven”

In addition, every CC committee (and anyone in the general area of an upcoming CC) should
be connecting with local cosplay groups on Facebook and in-person to do outreach.

Send someone to every anime and comic-con within driving distance, to
not just leave a pile of flyers somewhere, but sit at a table with an
eye-catching display and explain CC to people.
– Print out
promotional material that has lots of
nice colour photos and big text explaining the basic elements of CC and
what it can offer. For CC32 we went through a lot of double-sided colour
postcards – they can have basic info, are eye-catching, easy to read and memorable. Paper
registration forms aren’t really needed much anymore – most people at
anime & comic-cons will be registering online.
– See someone walk by with a fantastic costume? Flag them down, hand them a flyer/postcard, explain what Costume-Con is.
This is the kind of thing of which Dawn and I did a lot in the years leading up to CC32.

#3 – Retaining New Attendees
I
have heard time and again from younger people who have attended a CC
for the first time that they felt excluded and isolated – that the
atmosphere was very insular, that there was a clear assumption that
everyone should already know how everything worked, that info was hard
to find, that newcomers were mostly left to fend for themselves and felt left
out as a result. I know that many CC conrunners have done great
work to be more inclusive, but we need to keep working at that and do
more. It may seem tedious to CC veterans, but we need to start aiming
our promotional material and websites at people who have never attended a
CC (or Worldcon, or similar con) before, and make sure we always have
some programming tailored for both veterans and newcomers.
In Summary

There
are plenty of cosplayers who just want to dress up and have fun, who
have little interest in branching out or learning other techniques, and
that’s fine. CC is not the place for them. But there are still a LOT of
cosplayers attending anime and comic-cons who definitely are interested in
the kind of things that CC can offer, and they just have no idea there
is a venue for that. I talk to them at cons all the time and they are
excited about Costume-Con, and amazed that it has existed for so long
while they’ve never heard of it. Is every cosplayer who tries CC once
going to become a regular who throws themselves into it wholeheartedly?
Of course not, but we won’t get the die-hards without reaching out to
everyone.

If we want CC to not just survive but thrive, we need
to keep reaching out to them. It’s going to take work to bridge the gap
between our two communities. We can’t rest on our laurels and wait for
them to come to us; we have to go out and convince them. It is critical
to stop dismissing ‘those anime kids’, and instead embrace them as what
they are – the next generation of costumers and the people who will keep
Costume-Con vibrant for years to come.

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3106 From: herself-the-elf@rogers.com Date: 6/19/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
Sorry everybody, forgot to sign it!

— Maral Agnerian

 

Group: runacc Message: 3107 From: dandyhank Date: 6/19/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
Thanks for posting this! I told Karen I would write an article on How To Promote Your Costume-Con. I have been busy, but should have an outline done in a couple of days.

Henry

 

Group: runacc Message: 3108 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/27/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

 

Comments below – they are only my opinions.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 10:40 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

I recently got back from AnimeNext where I was promoting CC35. I’ve been doing CC promo at anime and comic-cons on and off for around 4 years now, and have recently been mulling over my experiences and thoughts about what needs to be done to carry Costume-Con into the future and keep it successful and relevant.

I feel very strongly about Costume-Con and really love it. Because of this I’m very concerned about how best to attract younger costumers, because most of them have come up through the anime and comic-con circuit which is in most cases completely separate from the older sci-fi and literary con circuit. So many costumers who would have a blast at CC never even hear about it.

Here are some of my thoughts about what’s needed. I am willing to put my money where my mouth is and pitch in for a lot of this, but it would be great to get some help ;D

#1 – Improving Web Presence

First off, we urgently need a modern, accessible, centralized Costume-Con.com page so that when people google ‘Costume-Con’ they find useful, up-to-date information AND see something that will get them interested. This is the most critical thing. The current page is both out-of-date in terms of information, and makes the casual observer assume that the event is either defunct or very disorganized. Cosplayers are extremely web-savvy and are unlikely to take a chance on a con that has a weak web presence. We need something in line with the websites for your standard modern comic, media or anime con if we want the younger generation of costumers to not dismiss us out of hand without even finding out that CC has great stuff going on.

I would be happy to build and maintain a new costume-con.com page. I WANT to do it, I just need to be able to access the domain. If someone else is going to do it, that’s great, but it is extremely important that it gets done ASAP. Many people I was talking to at AnimeNext were very interested in attending CC37 in Salem and other future CCs, but without a functional centralized way of finding CC (and if they don’t know the CC# to search for it), we will continue to struggle at attracting new attendees. It’s about more than just promoting the current or upcoming CC; many people are now hearing about the con for the first time and we need to think about the long game.

Ideally the new page would have some good graphics, eye-catching photos, and clear, basic info about what CC is, how it works, why cosplayers should be interested. What it does that is different from other cons.

I absolutely agree.   The website has desperately been in need for updating for years.  The “countdown clock” has made me clench my teeth for a long time.  I say, if someone wants to take on the task of a makeover, LET THEM DO IT!   DON’T LET THEM GET AWAY!

#2 – Promotion at other cons

I think it would be really useful to have eye-catching promo material that is non-year-specific, that can be reused and passed on. It is critical to do outreach at anime and comic-cons in the areas near upcoming CCs, not just to get them to register for the upcoming one, but to spread awareness of CC and get them talking to their local costuming communities, to spread interest and excitement. I’m planning on getting at least one large-format banner printed that could be used by many successive CCs for promotion at anime and comic-cons, as well as some postcards that have a brief explanation of CC’s concept and the dates/locations of the next few upcoming CCs. So even if they can’t make the next one, they can start planning for future CCs.

The important thing is grabbing people’s attention and then explaining what CC can offer them. The spiel I’ve found which works the best usually touches on:

– 4 days of nonstop costuming/cosplay!

– any kind of costume is welcome, from media recreation to historical to original design! This is especially useful to emphasize, as many anime cons only allow or embrace Japanese-origin costumes. Many cosplayers would like to branch out but don’t know there’s a venue that would welcome this!

– 4 different competitions, including a fashion design competition

– dealer’s room full of costume supplies

– shopping tours

– all the panels and workshops are about learning cool new skills and techniques

– “It’s basically cosplayer heaven”

In addition, every CC committee (and anyone in the general area of an upcoming CC) should be connecting with local cosplay groups on Facebook and in-person to do outreach.
– Send someone to every anime and comic-con within driving distance, to not just leave a pile of flyers somewhere, but sit at a table with an eye-catching display and explain CC to people.
– Print out promotional material that has lots of nice colour photos and big text explaining the basic elements of CC and what it can offer. For CC32 we went through a lot of double-sided colour postcards – they can have basic info, are eye-catching, easy to read and memorable. Paper registration forms aren’t really needed much anymore – most people at anime & comic-cons will be registering online.
– See someone walk by with a fantastic costume? Flag them down, hand them a flyer/postcard, explain what Costume-Con is.
This is the kind of thing of which Dawn and I did a lot in the years leading up to CC32.

Much of this we’ve been saying for years, but I think the MACS/CC34 really put this into practice.   If you guys were doing it too, then good on ya.

 

#3 – Retaining New Attendees

I have heard time and again from younger people who have attended a CC for the first time that they felt excluded and isolated – that the atmosphere was very insular, that there was a clear assumption that everyone should already know how everything worked, that info was hard to find, that newcomers were mostly left to fend for themselves and felt left out as a result. I know that many CC conrunners have done great work to be more inclusive, but we need to keep working at that and do more. It may seem tedious to CC veterans, but we need to start aiming our promotional material and websites at people who have never attended a CC (or Worldcon, or similar con) before, and make sure we always have some programming tailored for both veterans and newcomers.

 

I mostly agree with this.   Knowledge about CC has always been relatively de-centralized.   The time is already here to recognize that there will be fewer and fewer committees made up of people from the earlier days of CC who know the ropes.   And in turn, without guidance, regulars can’t grump if traditions and formats aren’t maintained because more often than not many of the future committees will have attended few, if any, CCs before they run their own.

 

Nora and I have found that having a “My First Costume-Con” panel at the con is a critical first step to making people feel included.   Every person that attended that panel came away with a much better impression of the con.   But, of course, not everyone is going to attend it.     So, yes, there needs to be helpful information published both on line and in the program book.   I wrote an FAQ for CC25 that has been used by some of the following CCs that can be tweaked.

 

In Summary

There are plenty of cosplayers who just want to dress up and have fun, who have little interest in branching out or learning other techniques, and that’s fine. CC is not the place for them. But there are still a LOT of cosplayers attending anime and comic-cons who definitely are interested in the kind of things that CC can offer, and they just have no idea there is a venue for that. I talk to them at cons all the time and they are excited about Costume-Con, and amazed that it has existed for so long while they’ve never heard of it. Is every cosplayer who tries CC once going to become a regular who throws themselves into it wholeheartedly? Of course not, but we won’t get the die-hards without reaching out to everyone.

 

Over a decade ago, as we were watching the cosplay phenomenon grow by leaps and bounds, we said that if we could capture just 10% of that crowd, it could double the attendance at CCs.

If we want CC to not just survive but thrive, we need to keep reaching out to them. It’s going to take work to bridge the gap between our two communities. We can’t rest on our laurels and wait for them to come to us; we have to go out and convince them. It is critical to stop dismissing ‘those anime kids’, and instead embrace them as what they are – the next generation of costumers and the people who will keep Costume-Con vibrant for years to come.

This is where the most work needs to be done, trying to merge two different cultures and generations.   Unfortunately, it could be an uphill battle to combat perceptions of each community.   A major push needs to be made to educate and have a greater understanding between the established base of attendees and the new ones we’re trying to attract.

The regular attendees are probably largely unaware that, actually, many of the younger generation of costumers/cosplayers are intimidated by those of us long-time costumers.  I recall observing any number of times how excited newbies were to be recognized by their older peers, validating their work in a competitive venue.  But there’s still work to be done regarding the masquerade costuming community regarding competition.   I’m reminded of Yaya Han’s (incorrect) perception of the “strict ICG rules” mentioned in an episode of “Heroes of Cosplay”.   Scoff if you want, but it’s a perception held by many people who have not actually attended a CC.

Regarding “cliques”.    This works both ways.   I explained in the FAQ that many people may only get to see each other in person once a year, so they may not be as proactive about talking to newbies as they perhaps should be, if they want the con to grow.   You also have to keep in mind that many costumers, both young and old, are shy.  Shyness can be mistaken as aloofness.   It’s a common mistake made by shy or new people to hope they will be noticed and approached.    That’s not the way things generally work.  It’s just a fact of human nature, even at CC.   Are there things that can be done?  Absolutely.

A thought about promotion:  in any material, show that the hobby appeals to all ages.  Include old recreation photos from earlier decades.   Have people of all ages in recreations today.  But also show there’s a whole ‘nother world of creativity with original works not just by the older generation, but also the younger ones (there are fewer of them, but they’re out there).  Make sure works from other shows don’t get overlooked, like the FFS and Historical.   This year, we had a lot of newbies in some of those shows.   Good stuff.    People need to see that.

 

Bruce

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3109 From: Marg Grady Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
When I tried marketing to the younger folks here in the Phoenix cosplay community, an issue I ran into was “price point”… they couldn’t afford Costume-Con.

 

Group: runacc Message: 3110 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

That’s one of the reasons we had a $25 student ticket for CC32. People could show their high school ID and

purchase it.

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 09:03:27 -0700
Subject: [runacc] Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

 

When I tried marketing to the younger folks here in the Phoenix cosplay community, an issue I ran into was “price point”… they couldn’t afford Costume-Con.

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3111 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

Generally, I agree. However, I have made a few comments below.

 

Byron

 

 

On Jun 27, 2016, at 11:11 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Comments below – they are only my opinions.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 10:40 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)




I recently got back from AnimeNext where I was promoting CC35. I’ve been doing CC promo at anime and comic-cons on and off for around 4 years now, and have recently been mulling over my experiences and thoughts about what needs to be done to carry Costume-Con into the future and keep it successful and relevant.

I feel very strongly about Costume-Con and really love it. Because of this I’m very concerned about how best to attract younger costumers, because most of them have come up through the anime and comic-con circuit which is in most cases completely separate from the older sci-fi and literary con circuit. So many costumers who would have a blast at CC never even hear about it.

Here are some of my thoughts about what’s needed. I am willing to put my money where my mouth is and pitch in for a lot of this, but it would be great to get some help ;D

#1 – Improving Web Presence

First off, we urgently need a modern, accessible, centralized Costume-Con.com page so that when people google ‘Costume-Con’ they find useful, up-to-date information AND see something that will get them interested. This is the most critical thing. The current page is both out-of-date in terms of information, and makes the casual observer assume that the event is either defunct or very disorganized. Cosplayers are extremely web-savvy and are unlikely to take a chance on a con that has a weak web presence. We need something in line with the websites for your standard modern comic, media or anime con if we want the younger generation of costumers to not dismiss us out of hand without even finding out that CC has great stuff going on.

I would be happy to build and maintain a new costume-con.com page. I WANT to do it, I just need to be able to access the domain. If someone else is going to do it, that’s great, but it is extremely important that it gets done ASAP. Many people I was talking to at AnimeNext were very interested in attending CC37 in Salem and other future CCs, but without a functional centralized way of finding CC (and if they don’t know the CC# to search for it), we will continue to struggle at attracting new attendees. It’s about more than just promoting the current or upcoming CC; many people are now hearing about the con for the first time and we need to think about the long game.

Ideally the new page would have some good graphics, eye-catching photos, and clear, basic info about what CC is, how it works, why cosplayers should be interested. What it does that is different from other cons.

I absolutely agree.   The website has desperately been in need for updating for years.  The “countdown clock” has made me clench my teeth for a long time.  I say, if someone wants to take on the task of a makeover, LET THEM DO IT!   DON’T LET THEM GET AWAY!

#2 – Promotion at other cons

I think it would be really useful to have eye-catching promo material that is non-year-specific, that can be reused and passed on. It is critical to do outreach at anime and comic-cons in the areas near upcoming CCs, not just to get them to register for the upcoming one, but to spread awareness of CC and get them talking to their local costuming communities, to spread interest and excitement. I’m planning on getting at least one large-format banner printed that could be used by many successive CCs for promotion at anime and comic-cons, as well as some postcards that have a brief explanation of CC’s concept and the dates/locations of the next few upcoming CCs. So even if they can’t make the next one, they can start planning for future CCs. 

The important thing is grabbing people’s attention and then explaining what CC can offer them. The spiel I’ve found which works the best usually touches on:

– 4 days of nonstop costuming/cosplay!

– any kind of costume is welcome, from media recreation to historical to original design! This is especially useful to emphasize, as many anime cons only allow or embrace Japanese-origin costumes. Many cosplayers would like to branch out but don’t know there’s a venue that would welcome this!

– 4 different competitions, including a fashion design competition

– dealer’s room full of costume supplies

– shopping tours

– all the panels and workshops are about learning cool new skills and techniques

– “It’s basically cosplayer heaven”

In addition, every CC committee (and anyone in the general area of an upcoming CC) should be connecting with local cosplay groups on Facebook and in-person to do outreach. 
– Send someone to every anime and comic-con within driving distance, to not just leave a pile of flyers somewhere, but sit at a table with an eye-catching display and explain CC to people. 
– Print out promotional material that has lots of nice colour photos and big text explaining the basic elements of CC and what it can offer. For CC32 we went through a lot of double-sided colour postcards – they can have basic info, are eye-catching, easy to read and memorable. Paper registration forms aren’t really needed much anymore – most people at anime & comic-cons will be registering online. 
– See someone walk by with a fantastic costume? Flag them down, hand them a flyer/postcard, explain what Costume-Con is. 
This is the kind of thing of which Dawn and I did a lot in the years leading up to CC32.

Much of this we’ve been saying for years, but I think the MACS/CC34 really put this into practice.   If you guys were doing it too, then good on ya.

 

#3 – Retaining New Attendees

I have heard time and again from younger people who have attended a CC for the first time that they felt excluded and isolated – that the atmosphere was very insular, that there was a clear assumption that everyone should already know how everything worked, that info was hard to find, that newcomers were mostly left to fend for themselves and felt left out as a result. I know that many CC conrunners have done great work to be more inclusive, but we need to keep working at that and do more. It may seem tedious to CC veterans, but we need to start aiming our promotional material and websites at people who have never attended a CC (or Worldcon, or similar con) before, and make sure we always have some programming tailored for both veterans and newcomers.

 

I mostly agree with this.   Knowledge about CC has always been relatively de-centralized.   The time is already here to recognize that there will be fewer and fewer committees made up of people from the earlier days of CC who know the ropes.   And in turn, without guidance, regulars can’t grump if traditions and formats aren’t maintained because more often than not many of the future committees will have attended few, if any, CCs before they run their own.

 

Nora and I have found that having a “My First Costume-Con” panel at the con is a critical first step to making people feel included.   Every person that attended that panel came away with a much better impression of the con.   But, of course, not everyone is going to attend it.     So, yes, there needs to be helpful information published both on line and in the program book.   I wrote an FAQ for CC25 that has been used by some of the following CCs that can be tweaked.

Can someone elucidate the helpful information that ought to be published? Just saying “helpful information” is about as useful as the high-level abstractions in a political candidate’s stump speech. Let’s have some specifics, please.

 

In Summary

There are plenty of cosplayers who just want to dress up and have fun, who have little interest in branching out or learning other techniques, and that’s fine. CC is not the place for them. But there are still a LOT of cosplayers attending anime and comic-cons who definitely are interested in the kind of things that CC can offer, and they just have no idea there is a venue for that. I talk to them at cons all the time and they are excited about Costume-Con, and amazed that it has existed for so long while they’ve never heard of it. Is every cosplayer who tries CC once going to become a regular who throws themselves into it wholeheartedly? Of course not, but we won’t get the die-hards without reaching out to everyone.

 

Over a decade ago, as we were watching the cosplay phenomenon grow by leaps and bounds, we said that if we could capture just 10% of that crowd, it could double the attendance at CCs.



If we want CC to not just survive but thrive, we need to keep reaching out to them. It’s going to take work to bridge the gap between our two communities. We can’t rest on our laurels and wait for them to come to us; we have to go out and convince them. It is critical to stop dismissing ‘those anime kids’, and instead embrace them as what they are – the next generation of costumers and the people who will keep Costume-Con vibrant for years to come. 

This is where the most work needs to be done, trying to merge two different cultures and generations.   Unfortunately, it could be an uphill battle to combat perceptions of each community.   A major push needs to be made to educate and have a greater understanding between the established base of attendees and the new ones we’re trying to attract.

The regular attendees are probably largely unaware that, actually, many of the younger generation of costumers/cosplayers are intimidated by those of us long-time costumers.  I recall observing any number of times how excited newbies were to be recognized by their older peers, validating their work in a competitive venue.  But there’s still work to be done regarding the masquerade costuming community regarding competition.   I’m reminded of Yaya Han’s (incorrect) perception of the “strict ICG rules” mentioned in an episode of “Heroes of Cosplay”.   Scoff if you want, but it’s a perception held by many people who have not actually attended a CC.

What is the nature of the mis-perception? If we don’t know what the incorrect beliefs are, there’s little we can do to counteract them. More specifics, please.

Regarding “cliques”.    This works both ways.   I explained in the FAQ that many people may only get to see each other in person once a year, so they may not be as proactive about talking to newbies as they perhaps should be, if they want the con to grow.   You also have to keep in mind that many costumers, both young and old, are shy.  Shyness can be mistaken as aloofness.   It’s a common mistake made by shy or new people to hope they will be noticed and approached.    That’s not the way things generally work.  It’s just a fact of human nature, even at CC.   Are there things that can be done?  Absolutely.

I’m not shy, but I’m not outgoing, either. I prefer to sit by myself. I don’t approach people I haven’t met; that’s not in my nature. Maybe we need to commission our outgoing types to take the lead in glad-handing newbies. If they don’t know that’s what they ought to do . . . .

A thought about promotion:  in any material, show that the hobby appeals to all ages.  Include old recreation photos from earlier decades.   Have people of all ages in recreations today.  But also show there’s a whole ‘nother world of creativity with original works not just by the older generation, but also the younger ones (there are fewer of them, but they’re out there).  Make sure works from other shows don’t get overlooked, like the FFS and Historical.   This year, we had a lot of newbies in some of those shows.   Good stuff.    People need to see that.

 

Bruce

 




 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3112 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

One-day memberships also could help. Albacon is an SF con, not a costume-con, but we’ve had a fair amount of success by offering a “Saturday only” $10 membership. It tends to bring in younger fans who can’t afford a full membership and have other events to  distract them on the weekend (studying, church, sports, and so forth). Remember, you’re in competition with every other event that weekend.

 

Byron

 

 

On Jun 28, 2016, at 12:56 PM, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

That’s one of the reasons we had a $25 student ticket for CC32. People could show their high school ID and

purchase it.


Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  




To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 09:03:27 -0700
Subject: [runacc] Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

 

When I tried marketing to the younger folks here in the Phoenix cosplay community, an issue I ran into was “price point”… they couldn’t afford Costume-Con.

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3113 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

Bruce Mai Wrote: “I’m reminded of Yaya Han’s (incorrect) perception of the “strict ICG rules” mentioned in an episode of “Heroes of Cosplay”.   Scoff if you want, but it’s a perception held by many people who have not actually attended a CC.”

Byron Wrote: “What is the nature of the mis-perception? If we don’t know what the incorrect beliefs are, there’s little we can do to counteract them. More specifics, please. ”

There are numerous odd perceptions, so odd in fact that I can’t recall all of them. When I have the time I’ll delve into the old Cosplay.com files and try to find some of the many threads that I,  Maral, Karisu, Danny, (Aurora?) and others have been involved in trying to set the record straight.

Much of the initial damage was done by a cosplayer known as Saeto. (who tried to be in Yaya’s sphere for some time at the beginning of Yaya’s initial climb to notoriety), and possibly imbued Yaya with some of these notions.

This person has done so much damage to all communities that she actually had an Encyclopedia Dramatica entry written about her.

There are a few others, who either misunderstood the guidelines, or “heard stories”, and thus pontificated and expounded on them with no actual personal experience.

Locally the Guidelines are more well known so this seems to be a less of an issue for us, but we still have to work with people who have never heard of them to make them understand the merits. 🙂 That’s just part of being  a good promotional team.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3114 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

I hope you can do so. I can’t address lies if I don’t know what lies are being told.

 

Beyond that, there seems to be a divide between old fogies like me and those who grew up with and still enjoy cosplay. Frankly, I don’t. I attended a cosplay convention once and was rather bored. Consequently, I’m not sure howe much I and costumers like me can contribute to refuting lies.
I do get the general perception that some people do not understand that costume-con isn’t an ICG activity. I get the impression that some people don’t realize that you can enter the master division by checking that box on an entry form; they seem to think the master division is restricted to entrants with certain numbers and types of awards. Maybe it is at the type of cons they attend, but they don’t even read the form. I get the impression that they’ve never read the Fairness Guidelines and that they believe the guidelines are binding on individual masquerade directors. (That’s why I argued, in the early 2000s, in favor of simply repealing the guidelines.) I get the impression that some people think that “we” (whoever “we” are) keep track of who won what at which event. Maybe this is because it’s what they would do if they were “in charge.”
I find all this very frustrating. For the past decade at least, we’ve been unable, it appears to me, to make any progress. If they don’t want to listen, they won’t do so, no matter how much we glitz up our stuff..
Byron

 

 

On Jun 28, 2016, at 3:17 PM, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Bruce Mai Wrote: “I’m reminded of Yaya Han’s (incorrect) perception of the “strict ICG rules” mentioned in an episode of “Heroes of Cosplay”.   Scoff if you want, but it’s a perception held by many people who have not actually attended a CC.”

Byron Wrote: “What is the nature of the mis-perception? If we don’t know what the incorrect beliefs are, there’s little we can do to counteract them. More specifics, please. “

There are numerous odd perceptions, so odd in fact that I can’t recall all of them. When I have the time I’ll delve into the old Cosplay.com files and try to find some of the many threads that I,  Maral, Karisu, Danny, (Aurora?) and others have been involved in trying to set the record straight. 

Much of the initial damage was done by a cosplayer known as Saeto. (who tried to be in Yaya’s sphere for some time at the beginning of Yaya’s initial climb to notoriety), and possibly imbued Yaya with some of these notions. 

This person has done so much damage to all communities that she actually had an Encyclopedia Dramatica entry written about her.

There are a few others, who either misunderstood the guidelines, or “heard stories”, and thus pontificated and expounded on them with no actual personal experience.

Locally the Guidelines are more well known so this seems to be a less of an issue for us, but we still have to work with people who have never heard of them to make them understand the merits. 🙂 That’s just part of being  a good promotional team.

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3115 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

I unintentionally omitted the Mai’s from  of people who commented on Cosplay.com.
They have also been heavily involved in many threads there, often specifically in relation to the ICG and the Guidelines.
(Sorry guys!)

Some of the threads I’m quickly skimming are from 2004 – 2005 and sorry Byron I can’t quote large chunks of the oddness
because it seems Saeto deleted her account and all her posts, and indeed some threads in their entirety. :/

A link to an example of a later/saner thread. http://www.cosplay.com/showthread.php?t=66267&highlight=guidelines

Side note to Byron: Erol, (read Cosplay.com’s personal devils advocate – haha 😀 ) asks on the first page :
“Does ICG keep track of a member’s number of awards, or is this on the honor system?”

 

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3116 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

Addendum: 

 
This thread is of a later date (2005) and contains far less misinformation than usual, (some due to deleted posts).
 
Ignore whenever someone uses the phrase, “most anime conventions”. This is almost exclusively means
“the few anime conventions in my area of personal experience”.
 

This is why I now always try to frame it as, “Anime Cons in my area.” or name the specific cons or geographic area I’m talking about.

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 18:23:44 -0400
Subject: RE: [runacc] Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

 

I unintentionally omitted the Mai’s from  of people who commented on Cosplay.com.
They have also been heavily involved in many threads there, often specifically in relation to the ICG and the Guidelines.
(Sorry guys!)

Some of the threads I’m quickly skimming are from 2004 – 2005 and sorry Byron I can’t quote large chunks of the oddness
because it seems Saeto deleted her account and all her posts, and indeed some threads in their entirety. :/

A link to an example of a later/saner thread. http://www.cosplay.com/showthread.php?t=66267&highlight=guidelines

Side note to Byron: Erol, (read Cosplay.com’s personal devils advocate – haha 😀 ) asks on the first page :
“Does ICG keep track of a member’s number of awards, or is this on the honor system?”

 

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3117 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Example misconception

 

Example misconception:

I actually dislike the ICG guidelines, because there’s only one WorldCon and one CostumeCon per year – very difficult to ever get out of competing in Novice class by those standards. And who can afford WorldCon anyway? ”

————

Addressed long ago in 2004, but an example of someone thinking they can only “rank up”* (not my words), if they attend Costume-Con or Worldcon.

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3118 From: Kevin Roche Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

I was active on Cosplay.com for a while when I directed the Anime LA masquerade. I tried to be a costuming resource as well as an “ambassador” from our generation and the ICG.

I freely admit I stopped trying so hard there after a particular incident. We had to disqualify and revoke two awards from the ALA contest after the fact for rules violations (one for lying about having a ALA membership, the other for submitting purchased costume for workmanship judging as her own work. Both easily verified.). I’d posted the awards oat cosplay.com, so I also posted notice of the revocations.
One of the revokees turned out to be a cosplay.com moderator. Another moderator deleted all my posts about the revocations. I discovered I had a limit to my patience with that sort of foolish online behavior.
On the other hand, I’ve had so many wonderful experiences in person with the younger generation of cosplayers. I taught a couple just last Sunday about using a cake knife and/or electric carving knife for shaping foam. They were working on what should be an amazing giant battle axe.
I think I’ll keep looking for the latter sort of interactions to connect with “the cosplay generation”.

 

On Tuesday, June 28, 2016, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Addendum: 

 
This thread is of a later date (2005) and contains far less misinformation than usual, (some due to deleted posts).
 
Ignore whenever someone uses the phrase, “most anime conventions”. This is almost exclusively means
“the few anime conventions in my area of personal experience”.
 

This is why I now always try to frame it as, “Anime Cons in my area.” or name the specific cons or geographic area I’m talking about.

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 18:23:44 -0400
Subject: RE: [runacc] Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

 

I unintentionally omitted the Mai’s from  of people who commented on Cosplay.com.
They have also been heavily involved in many threads there, often specifically in relation to the ICG and the Guidelines.
(Sorry guys!)

Some of the threads I’m quickly skimming are from 2004 – 2005 and sorry Byron I can’t quote large chunks of the oddness
because it seems Saeto deleted her account and all her posts, and indeed some threads in their entirety. :/

A link to an example of a later/saner thread. http://www.cosplay.com/showthread.php?t=66267&highlight=guidelines

Side note to Byron: Erol, (read Cosplay.com’s personal devils advocate – haha 😀 ) asks on the first page :
“Does ICG keep track of a member’s number of awards, or is this on the honor system?”

 

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3119 From: Vicky Young Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

For better or for worse, Cosplay.com seems to be a bit of a dying entity. I used to be active there several years ago, but it seems that only a handful of people remain over there. CC34 made an attempt to connect with cosplayers there, but we had significantly less success than previous CCs. We tried to figure out where they went, and our best guess was social media.
Vicky A. 
On Tuesday, June 28, 2016 6:24 PM, “Kevin Roche kevin@twistedimage.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I was active on Cosplay.com for a while when I directed the Anime LA masquerade. I tried to be a costuming resource as well as an “ambassador” from our generation and the ICG.
I freely admit I stopped trying so hard there after a particular incident. We had to disqualify and revoke two awards from the ALA contest after the fact for rules violations (one for lying about having a ALA membership, the other for submitting purchased costume for workmanship judging as her own work. Both easily verified.). I’d posted the awards oat cosplay.com, so I also posted notice of the revocations.
One of the revokees turned out to be a cosplay.com moderator. Another moderator deleted all my posts about the revocations. I discovered I had a limit to my patience with that sort of foolish online behavior.
On the other hand, I’ve had so many wonderful experiences in person with the younger generation of cosplayers. I taught a couple just last Sunday about using a cake knife and/or electric carving knife for shaping foam. They were working on what should be an amazing giant battle axe.
I think I’ll keep looking for the latter sort of interactions to connect with “the cosplay generation”.


On Tuesday, June 28, 2016, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 



Addendum: 

 
This thread is of a later date (2005) and contains far less misinformation than usual, (some due to deleted posts).
 
Ignore whenever someone uses the phrase, “most anime conventions”. This is almost exclusively means
“the few anime conventions in my area of personal experience”.
 

This is why I now always try to frame it as, “Anime Cons in my area.” or name the specific cons or geographic area I’m talking about.


Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  




To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 18:23:44 -0400
Subject: RE: [runacc] Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

 

I unintentionally omitted the Mai’s from  of people who commented on Cosplay.com. 
They have also been heavily involved in many threads there, often specifically in relation to the ICG and the Guidelines. 
(Sorry guys!)

Some of the threads I’m quickly skimming are from 2004 – 2005 and sorry Byron I can’t quote large chunks of the oddness
because it seems Saeto deleted her account and all her posts, and indeed some threads in their entirety. :/


A link to an example of a later/saner thread. http://www.cosplay.com/showthread.php?t=66267&highlight=guidelines

Side note to Byron: Erol, (read Cosplay.com’s personal devils advocate – haha 😀 ) asks on the first page :
“Does ICG keep track of a member’s number of awards, or is this on the honor system?”



Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3120 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

 

Okay, I’m going to post what I cut out in the original email, because I thought I was getting too far into the weeds.   But for the purposes of your question, Byron, I spoke to the generational and cultural  divides.   Glad I kept it.

 

 

On the one hand you have those who say “Don’t call us kids!”.   Heck, my parents still call Nora and me “the kids” and I’m going to be turning 60 shortly.  But I understand the complaint – the youthful exuberance of the younger generations raised on media tend to grate on the older people – who probably forget they were that way at that age.   There is also a perception of narcissism that is perpetuated by a relatively small subset of cosplayers who seek some sort of “celebrity”.   So the rest of the cosplay community gets tarred with the same brush, which is unfair.    The rest of the cosplayer community often roll their eyes at those people as much as everyone else.    And there’s a certain amount of jealousy involved with older costumers.   Truth be told, had the media outlets and the Internet been available in the ’80s, we’d have taken advantage of them, too.    I’ve spoken any number of times wistfully of the wish we’d had the kinds of photographers that produce some amazing professional images of cosplayers these days.

On the other hand, there needs to be better introductions to the costuming community that we participate in.  It’s been my observation that younger cosplayers costume/live very much in the “now”.  There’s very little interest in what has come before.     It’s all about what they’re going to be doing next.   I see all sorts of posts about “here’s what I’ll be wearing at X con” (see above about “celebrity”).   Only now are we starting to see a few attempts at gaining a sense of history.  Most of the online articles are earnest, but they frequently get some facts wrong.    And there’s definitely a resentment of some people calling everything in the past “cosplay”.    I blame the media for that, to some extent.   But if that’s all you know, and don’t know what came before, then what are you to conclude?  

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 3:01 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

I hope you can do so. I can’t address lies if I don’t know what lies are being told.

Beyond that, there seems to be a divide between old fogies like me and those who grew up with and still enjoy cosplay. Frankly, I don’t. I attended a cosplay convention once and was rather bored. Consequently, I’m not sure howe much I and costumers like me can contribute to refuting lies.

I do get the general perception that some people do not understand that costume-con isn’t an ICG activity. I get the impression that some people don’t realize that you can enter the master division by checking that box on an entry form; they seem to think the master division is restricted to entrants with certain numbers and types of awards. Maybe it is at the type of cons they attend, but they don’t even read the form. I get the impression that they’ve never read the Fairness Guidelines and that they believe the guidelines are binding on individual masquerade directors. (That’s why I argued, in the early 2000s, in favor of simply repealing the guidelines.) I get the impression that some people think that “we” (whoever “we” are) keep track of who won what at which event. Maybe this is because it’s what they would do if they were “in charge.”

I find all this very frustrating. For the past decade at least, we’ve been unable, it appears to me, to make any progress. If they don’t want to listen, they won’t do so, no matter how much we glitz up our stuff..

Byron

 

On Jun 28, 2016, at 3:17 PM, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Bruce Mai Wrote: “I’m reminded of Yaya Han’s (incorrect) perception of the “strict ICG rules” mentioned in an episode of “Heroes of Cosplay”.   Scoff if you want, but it’s a perception held by many people who have not actually attended a CC.”

Byron Wrote: “What is the nature of the mis-perception? If we don’t know what the incorrect beliefs are, there’s little we can do to counteract them. More specifics, please. ”

There are numerous odd perceptions, so odd in fact that I can’t recall all of them. When I have the time I’ll delve into the old Cosplay.com files and try to find some of the many threads that I,  Maral, Karisu, Danny, (Aurora?) and others have been involved in trying to set the record straight.

Much of the initial damage was done by a cosplayer known as Saeto. (who tried to be in Yaya’s sphere for some time at the beginning of Yaya’s initial climb to notoriety), and possibly imbued Yaya with some of these notions. 

This person has done so much damage to all communities that she actually had an Encyclopedia Dramatica entry written about her.

 

There are a few others, who either misunderstood the guidelines, or “heard stories”, and thus pontificated and expounded on them with no actual personal experience.

Locally the Guidelines are more well known so this seems to be a less of an issue for us, but we still have to work with people who have never heard of them to make them understand the merits. 🙂 That’s just part of being  a good promotional team.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3121 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

 

Wow.   Really?   We hadn’t heard about that last part.   Interesting.   Sorta takes pettiness to a new level

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 6:24 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

I was active on Cosplay.com for a while when I directed the Anime LA masquerade. I tried to be a costuming resource as well as an “ambassador” from our generation and the ICG.

I freely admit I stopped trying so hard there after a particular incident. We had to disqualify and revoke two awards from the ALA contest after the fact for rules violations (one for lying about having a ALA membership, the other for submitting purchased costume for workmanship judging as her own work. Both easily verified.). I’d posted the awards oat cosplay.com, so I also posted notice of the revocations.

One of the revokees turned out to be a cosplay.com moderator. Another moderator deleted all my posts about the revocations. I discovered I had a limit to my patience with that sort of foolish online behavior.

On Tuesday, June 28, 2016, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Addendum: 

This thread is of a later date (2005) and contains far less misinformation than usual, (some due to deleted posts).

Ignore whenever someone uses the phrase, “most anime conventions”. This is almost exclusively means
“the few anime conventions in my area of personal experience”.

This is why I now always try to frame it as, “Anime Cons in my area.” or name the specific cons or geographic area I’m talking about.

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North

Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3122 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

 

This was a good idea that clearly paid off.   The MACS were also pretty successful  in getting a lot of preregs, as I noted in the review.   Much fewer walk-ins than normal.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 11:57 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [runacc] Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

That’s one of the reasons we had a $25 student ticket for CC32. People could show their high school ID and

purchase it.

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North

Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 

 


 

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 09:03:27 -0700
Subject: [runacc] Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

When I tried marketing to the younger folks here in the Phoenix cosplay community, an issue I ran into was “price point”… they couldn’t afford Costume-Con.

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3123 From: ma0902432 Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

I like the ideas of offering one-day memberships (I think most
CC’s have been offering this), and Masquerade tickets for the shows (F
& SF, Historical, and the Fashion Show).
A student membership, for HS or college students is great
too.
Honestly I do believe that  the responsibility for
greeting people/being friendly, starting conversations should be a shared
one.  I actually well remember being a newcomer at CC9, and generally
people would talk to me.  Getting a hall costume award the second day was
the absolute zenith of the con for me, and I kind of felt accepted after
that.  By CC10 in Lincoln, I felt like I had a small but terrific group of
friends to hang with.  If “My First Costume Con” panels had existed, I
would have been ecstatic, I agree with offering this panel both Friday afternoon
and Sat. morning.  And that perhaps it should be different people each
time. 
I’d like to see the “Costumer Retrospectives” make a come back
because I think that is actually a good way to get to know people for the newer
attendees.   
How about at the Friday night party, have a sort of “Opening
Ceremony, and ask all the new attendees to stand so we can applaud them?
Also, perhaps there would be some mechanism for offering a
discounted membership to some percentage of people who seek us out and have
already costumed at a con?  Kind of a “we believe in you”
grant.
Lisa a

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3124 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Example misconception

I suspect this is because of an ongoing difference in the way other masquerades are handled. I thought we were concise and clear about the guidelines being flexible and also that they could be adapted for the needs of each masquerade. Further, that people don’t keep scorecards or kill sheets or any sort of certifying documentation, so yes, honor system.

I would hope that with 12 years gone since the complaint, things would have improved, but I could be wrong.

-b

 

 

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 6:35 PM, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Example misconception:

I actually dislike the ICG guidelines, because there’s only one WorldCon and one CostumeCon per year – very difficult to ever get out of competing in Novice class by those standards. And who can afford WorldCon anyway? ”

————

Addressed long ago in 2004, but an example of someone thinking they can only “rank up”* (not my words), if they attend Costume-Con or Worldcon.

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 

 

 

 


Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3125 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

 

Comments inserted

 

Nora

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 7:35 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

I like the ideas of offering one-day memberships (I think most CC’s have been offering this), and Masquerade tickets for the shows (F & SF, Historical, and the Fashion Show).

A student membership, for HS or college students is great too.

Honestly I do believe that  the responsibility for greeting people/being friendly, starting conversations should be a shared one.  I actually well remember being a newcomer at CC9, and generally people would talk to me.  Getting a hall costume award the second day was the absolute zenith of the con for me, and I kind of felt accepted after that.  By CC10 in Lincoln, I felt like I had a small but terrific group of friends to hang with.  If “My First Costume Con” panels had existed, I would have been ecstatic, I agree with offering this panel both Friday afternoon and Sat. morning.  And that perhaps it should be different people each time. 

We thoroughly enjoy doing these panels – it gives us a chance to pass on our own enthusiasm and share the joy we have in CC. It also allows us to meet a bunch of the newbies all at once so when we see them later we recognize them already. I think that if more veterans showed up at this panel it would increase the welcome factor.

It’s worth repeating as a panel even with different participants as long as the same material is covered each time. Guess there would have to be an outline, and maybe a handout for the first-timers.

I’d like to see the “Costumer Retrospectives” make a come back because I think that is actually a good way to get to know people for the newer attendees.   

How about at the Friday night party, have a sort of “Opening Ceremony, and ask all the new attendees to stand so we can applaud them? 

This is always very nice usually lead by the MC. And I’ve seen it done at the F&SF as well.

Also, perhaps there would be some mechanism for offering a discounted membership to some percentage of people who seek us out and have already costumed at a con?  Kind of a “we believe in you” grant.

Lisa a

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3126 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Example misconception – the “Guidelines”

 

 

Oh, hell, people are still calling them “rules”.   Sloppy shorthand, but there you go.  I’ve heard longtimers make the same mistake, and they know the difference.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 9:35 PM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: Re: [runacc] Example misconception

I suspect this is because of an ongoing difference in the way other masquerades are handled. I thought we were concise and clear about the guidelines being flexible and also that they could be adapted for the needs of each masquerade. Further, that people don’t keep scorecards or kill sheets or any sort of certifying documentation, so yes, honor system.

I would hope that with 12 years gone since the complaint, things would have improved, but I could be wrong.

-b

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 6:35 PM, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Example misconception:

I actually dislike the ICG guidelines, because there’s only one WorldCon and one CostumeCon per year – very difficult to ever get out of competing in Novice class by those standards. And who can afford WorldCon anyway? ”

————

Addressed long ago in 2004, but an example of someone thinking they can only “rank up”* (not my words), if they attend Costume-Con or Worldcon.

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North

Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  


Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3127 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: “My First Costume-Con” (RE: [runacc] Some ideas for promoting CC)

 

 

It’s a good idea, although when it was done at CC32, fewer people showed up on Saturday because it was in competition with all the other panels going on.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 7:35 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

If “My First Costume Con” panels had existed, I would have been ecstatic, I agree with offering this panel both Friday afternoon and Sat. morning.  And that perhaps it should be different people each time. 

Lisa a

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3128 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/29/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

I remember both those incidents Kevin.

 
I was surprised by the person “Ghosting”. They should have known well better than that. >_>


I remember them bragging about it too on livejournal at one point. It was very awkward. >_>

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 19:26:37 -0500
Subject: RE: [runacc] Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

 

Wow.   Really?   We hadn’t heard about that last part.   Interesting.   Sorta takes pettiness to a new level

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 6:24 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

I was active on Cosplay.com for a while when I directed the Anime LA masquerade. I tried to be a costuming resource as well as an “ambassador” from our generation and the ICG.

I freely admit I stopped trying so hard there after a particular incident. We had to disqualify and revoke two awards from the ALA contest after the fact for rules violations (one for lying about having a ALA membership, the other for submitting purchased costume for workmanship judging as her own work. Both easily verified.). I’d posted the awards oat cosplay.com, so I also posted notice of the revocations.

One of the revokees turned out to be a cosplay.com moderator. Another moderator deleted all my posts about the revocations. I discovered I had a limit to my patience with that sort of foolish online behavior.

On Tuesday, June 28, 2016, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Addendum: 

This thread is of a later date (2005) and contains far less misinformation than usual, (some due to deleted posts).

Ignore whenever someone uses the phrase, “most anime conventions”. This is almost exclusively means
“the few anime conventions in my area of personal experience”.

This is why I now always try to frame it as, “Anime Cons in my area.” or name the specific cons or geographic area I’m talking about.

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North

Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3129 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/29/2016
Subject: Re: Example misconception

 

Since the originator of that particular complaint was a member of a more recent Costume-Con Comittee, 

I’d say things have improved.^_~ 
 
(Name withheld to protect the innocent).
 
Many of the weirder perceptions have been going by the wayside. I think due in large part by the constant outreach and education of ICG members and friends.

 

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 22:34:56 -0400
Subject: Re: [runacc] Example misconception

 

 

I suspect this is because of an ongoing difference in the way other masquerades are handled. I thought we were concise and clear about the guidelines being flexible and also that they could be adapted for the needs of each masquerade. Further, that people don’t keep scorecards or kill sheets or any sort of certifying documentation, so yes, honor system.

I would hope that with 12 years gone since the complaint, things would have improved, but I could be wrong.

-b

 

 

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 6:35 PM, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Example misconception:

I actually dislike the ICG guidelines, because there’s only one WorldCon and one CostumeCon per year – very difficult to ever get out of competing in Novice class by those standards. And who can afford WorldCon anyway? ”

————

Addressed long ago in 2004, but an example of someone thinking they can only “rank up”* (not my words), if they attend Costume-Con or Worldcon.

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 

 

 

 


Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3130 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/29/2016
Subject: Re: “My First Costume-Con” (RE: [runacc] Some ideas for promoting C

 

As long as the people who showed up on Saturday were not the same ones there on Friday, you reached some new newbies, so it was a success.

 

Byron

 

 

On Jun 28, 2016, at 11:03 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

It’s a good idea, although when it was done at CC32, fewer people showed up on Saturday because it was in competition with all the other panels going on.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 7:35 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)




If “My First Costume Con” panels had existed, I would have been ecstatic, I agree with offering this panel both Friday afternoon and Sat. morning.  And that perhaps it should be different people each time.  

Lisa a




 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3131 From: Rick Kovalcik Date: 7/4/2016
Subject: costumecon 37 table at Worldcon

FYI, Costume-Con 37 has asked for a fan table at MAC2 (Worldcon) this August.   If CC 35 and CC 36 are not planning for a presence there and would like to send us some flyers / other info, we would be happy to put them out at our table.   Please contact me off list, if you want to take us up on this offer.

-Rick Kovalcik
MCFI President

(MCFI is the 501c3 behind CC37)

+1-508-259-6819 (worldwide cell phone)

 

Group: runacc Message: 3132 From: Kevin Roche Date: 7/7/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

 

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 9:26 PM, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
I was surprised by the person “Ghosting”. They should have known well better than that. >_>

I remember them bragging about it too on livejournal at one point. It was very awkward. >_>

 

That was actually how we found out about it! If she hadn’t bragged on a public comment thread we would not have known.
The real tragedy was that the reason she didn’t register was because she busy in her room sewing while her friends were at the con.
I actually had a fast radio link to a reg clerk and we could have fixed it in about 5 minutes in the green room, but instead she chose to lie to Zelda when they checked in.

 

Group: runacc Message: 3133 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/7/2016
Subject: Taking back a Worldcon Award (was: Some ideas for promoting CC)

 

 

Hm.    Given how unusual an incident this was, we probably ought to have the entire account of this in the Archives.  Might be something for part of our Oral History project.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 5:07 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 9:26 PM, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I was surprised by the person “Ghosting”. They should have known well better than that. >_>


I remember them bragging about it too on livejournal at one point. It was very awkward. >_>

That was actually how we found out about it! If she hadn’t bragged on a public comment thread we would not have known.

The real tragedy was that the reason she didn’t register was because she busy in her room sewing while her friends were at the con.
I actually had a fast radio link to a reg clerk and we could have fixed it in about 5 minutes in the green room, but instead she chose to lie to Zelda when they checked in.


Posted by: Kevin Roche <kevin@twistedimage.com>


 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3134 From: Kevin Roche Date: 7/8/2016
Subject: Re: Taking back a Worldcon Award (was: Some ideas for promoting CC)
To clarify — this was Anime Los Angeles, not Worldcon. But still very unusual.

 

 

On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 8:20 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hm.    Given how unusual an incident this was, we probably ought to have the entire account of this in the Archives.  Might be something for part of our Oral History project.

 

Bruce

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3135 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/8/2016
Subject: Re: Taking back a Worldcon Award (was: Some ideas for promoting CC)

 

 

Ah, right.   Thanks for the correction, but still noteworthy.

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 11:09 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Taking back a Worldcon Award (was: Some ideas for promoting CC)

To clarify — this was Anime Los Angeles, not Worldcon. But still very unusual.

On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 8:20 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hm.    Given how unusual an incident this was, we probably ought to have the entire account of this in the Archives.  Might be something for part of our Oral History project.

 

Bruce

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3136 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 7/29/2016
Subject: Madison Info
Has Madison released any info about their membership numbers, budget, room pickup, etc?  It would be great if they could add this to the group or google docs and link it or something when it’s ready.  History has shown the longer the wait to get this to the next CC the more likely it is to be lost.

~Aurora

 

Group: runacc Message: 3137 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 7/30/2016
Subject: Fwd: Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration for

Guys?

If you are going to set up electronic payment options, please also provide alternative means for contact, so that if the form fails, there are other ways to get to you. This complaint came to me because I am still info@. I’m fixing that tonight.

Thanks! Betsy

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: “Carl Coling” <ccolingtmcc@hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 30, 2016 9:08 PM
Subject: Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration form for Costume Con
To: “info@Costume-Con.org” <info@costume-con.org>
Cc:

 

I tried once again to fill out my registration form, and then click the “pay now by paypal or credit card” button.  I got an error message, so I followed the directions to send info the webmaster, but that came back with a mailer-daemon (showing some code
indicating an issue, and that the to address wasn’t active or correct.

 

Will you folks PLEASE come up with some way to send in payments??????? It would be helpful!

 

Carl Coling

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3138 From: Kaijugal . Date: 7/31/2016
Subject: Re: Fwd: Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration

 

Which Costume-Con is the issue?

I’m guessing it’s not CC35 since both the email and snail mail address’ are up on the
registration page, however

just in case I’m asking since I’m sure most of the core CC35 staff is away and up to their necks in Con Bravo this weekend

and I’l be happy to help if it’s CC35.

~Dawn

 

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 


From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: July 30, 2016 10:22 PM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: [runacc] Fwd: Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration form for Costume Con

 

Guys?

If you are going to set up electronic payment options, please also provide alternative means for contact, so that if the form fails, there are other ways to get to you. This complaint came to me because I am still info@. I’m fixing that tonight.

Thanks! Betsy

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: “Carl Coling” <ccolingtmcc@hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 30, 2016 9:08 PM
Subject: Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration form for Costume Con
To: “info@Costume-Con.org” <info@costume-con.org>
Cc:

 

I tried once again to fill out my registration form, and then click the “pay now by paypal or credit card” button.  I got an error message, so I followed the directions to send info the webmaster, but that came back with a mailer-daemon (showing some code
indicating an issue, and that the to address wasn’t active or correct.

 

Will you folks PLEASE come up with some way to send in payments??????? It would be helpful!

 

Carl Coling

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3139 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 7/31/2016
Subject: Re: Fwd: Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration

This is particularly about 2018, but my comment applies to all of them. I strongly recommend asking someone from outside your concom to check your site for usability and test all the forms as well. And the chair should test as well.

Meanwhile, if the  system stripped the email address off the message I sent, let me know.

Betsy

 

 

On Jul 31, 2016 1:55 AM, “‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Which Costume-Con is the issue?

I’m guessing it’s not CC35 since both the email and snail mail address’ are up on the
registration page, however

just in case I’m asking since I’m sure most of the core CC35 staff is away and up to their necks in Con Bravo this weekend

and I’l be happy to help if it’s CC35.

~Dawn

 

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 


From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: July 30, 2016 10:22 PM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: [runacc] Fwd: Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration form for Costume Con

 

Guys?

If you are going to set up electronic payment options, please also provide alternative means for contact, so that if the form fails, there are other ways to get to you. This complaint came to me because I am still info@. I’m fixing that tonight.

Thanks! Betsy

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: “Carl Coling” <ccolingtmcc@hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 30, 2016 9:08 PM
Subject: Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration form for Costume Con
To: “info@Costume-Con.org” <info@costume-con.org>
Cc:

I tried once again to fill out my registration form, and then click the “pay now by paypal or credit card” button.  I got an error message, so I followed the directions to send info the webmaster, but that came back with a mailer-daemon (showing some code
indicating an issue, and that the to address wasn’t active or correct.

 

Will you folks PLEASE come up with some way to send in payments??????? It would be helpful!

 

Carl Coling

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3140 From: Sharon Sbarsky Date: 7/31/2016
Subject: Re: Fwd: Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration
Yahoo include the email of the person that asked the question and info@costume-con.org for the To: address, but neither the subject or message body included a reference to which Costume-Con.

Sharon

 

 

On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 7:06 AM, Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

This is particularly about 2018, but my comment applies to all of them. I strongly recommend asking someone from outside your concom to check your site for usability and test all the forms as well. And the chair should test as well.

Meanwhile, if the  system stripped the email address off the message I sent, let me know.

Betsy

 

On Jul 31, 2016 1:55 AM, “‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Which Costume-Con is the issue?

I’m guessing it’s not CC35 since both the email and snail mail address’ are up on the
registration page, however

just in case I’m asking since I’m sure most of the core CC35 staff is away and up to their necks in Con Bravo this weekend

and I’l be happy to help if it’s CC35.

~Dawn

 

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 


From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: July 30, 2016 10:22 PM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: [runacc] Fwd: Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration form for Costume Con

 

Guys?

If you are going to set up electronic payment options, please also provide alternative means for contact, so that if the form fails, there are other ways to get to you. This complaint came to me because I am still info@. I’m fixing that tonight.

Thanks! Betsy

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: “Carl Coling” <ccolingtmcc@hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 30, 2016 9:08 PM
Subject: Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration form for Costume Con
To: “info@Costume-Con.org” <info@costume-con.org>
Cc:

I tried once again to fill out my registration form, and then click the “pay now by paypal or credit card” button.  I got an error message, so I followed the directions to send info the webmaster, but that came back with a mailer-daemon (showing some code
indicating an issue, and that the to address wasn’t active or correct.

 

Will you folks PLEASE come up with some way to send in payments??????? It would be helpful!

 

Carl Coling

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3141 From: Sharon Sbarsky Date: 7/31/2016
Subject: Re: costumecon 37 table at Worldcon
Just a small reminder that we are willing to include CC35 & CC36 flyers on our table in Kansas City.

Please let us know.

Sharon

 

 

On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 1:54 PM, Rick Kovalcik kovalcik@alum.mit.edu [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

FYI, Costume-Con 37 has asked for a fan table at MAC2 (Worldcon) this August.   If CC 35 and CC 36 are not planning for a presence there and would like to send us some flyers / other info, we would be happy to put them out at our table.   Please contact me off list, if you want to take us up on this offer.

-Rick Kovalcik
MCFI President

(MCFI is the 501c3 behind CC37)

+1-508-259-6819 (worldwide cell phone)

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3142 From: Byron Connell Date: 7/31/2016
Subject: Re: Fwd: Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration

 

I hope the 36 and 37 concoms will check the websites to make sure that multiple forms of contact (i.e., snail mail, email, and so forth) are provided. If you’re accepting payment by other than electronic means, there needs to be an instruction on how to make out a check and where to send it.

 

Byron

 

 

On Jul 31, 2016, at 10:29 AM, Sharon Sbarsky sbarsky@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Yahoo include the email of the person that asked the question and info@costume-con.org for the To: address, but neither the subject or message body included a reference to which Costume-Con.

Sharon

 

On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 7:06 AM, Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

This is particularly about 2018, but my comment applies to all of them. I strongly recommend asking someone from outside your concom to check your site for usability and test all the forms as well. And the chair should test as well.

Meanwhile, if the  system stripped the email address off the message I sent, let me know.

Betsy 

 

On Jul 31, 2016 1:55 AM, “‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



Which Costume-Con is the issue?

I’m guessing it’s not CC35 since both the email and snail mail address’ are up on the registration page, however

just in case I’m asking since I’m sure most of the core CC35 staff is away and up to their necks in Con Bravo this weekend

and I’l be happy to help if it’s CC35.

~Dawn

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  




From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: July 30, 2016 10:22 PM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: [runacc] Fwd: Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration form for Costume Con

 

Guys?

If you are going to set up electronic payment options, please also provide alternative means for contact, so that if the form fails, there are other ways to get to you. This complaint came to me because I am still info@. I’m fixing that tonight.

Thanks! Betsy 

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: “Carl Coling” <ccolingtmcc@hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 30, 2016 9:08 PM
Subject: Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration form for Costume Con
To: “info@Costume-Con.org” <info@costume-con.org>
Cc: 

I tried once again to fill out my registration form, and then click the “pay now by paypal or credit card” button.  I got an error message, so I followed the directions to send info the webmaster, but that came back with a mailer-daemon (showing some code indicating an issue, and that the to address wasn’t active or correct.

Will you folks PLEASE come up with some way to send in payments??????? It would be helpful!

Carl Coling



 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3143 From: Kaijugal . Date: 7/31/2016
Subject: Re: Fwd: Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration
Ah. Ok I see.

We’re using Ticketbud which is an external service. I just tested it to be sure anyhow. 🙂

Thanks for looking out for us Betsy.

~Dawn [😊]

Dawn McKechnie – Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North

Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!

www.animenorth.com<http://www.animenorth.com/>

 

________________________________

From: Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com

Subject:Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration form for Costume Con

 

 

This is particularly about 2018, but my comment applies to all of them. I strongly recommend asking someone from outside your concom to check your site for usability and test all the forms as well. And the chair should test as well.

 

________________________________

 

 

 

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 3144 From: beckieboo817 Date: 8/22/2016
Subject: Costume Con 36

Just so everyone knows, we’ve been working on the pay submission page and other things on the website. If you have any ideas to help with the website set up (which we will be changing this week) let me know.

 

On another note, is there anyone who would be willing to run the doll exhibit/contest at Costume Con 36?

 

Thanks in advance for your assistance.

 

Group: runacc Message: 3145 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 9/13/2016
Subject: Costume-ConNections just got a massive overhaul!

www.costume-con.org has joined the 21st Century, with a major site redesign and migration to WordPress.

I haven’t touched the Gallery, other than to redirect folks to the main page instead of the Genesis page on the main album, but I’ve messed with darn near everything else.

If you notice anything’s gone missing, tell me about it ASAP. I still have local copies of everything, much of which hasn’t been touched since 2008.

If you were linked to anything with a .shtml extension, revise your site links NOW. There should theoretically be an error page/search function automatically available, but that’s theory only.

Out of curiosity: Is anyone using the old Word templates in the Procedures section? If not, I’m thinking they should go. Most everyone knows how to copy and paste these days, and maintaining two versions of the same document means more chance of error long-term.

Thanks!
Onward.

Betsy

Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

Group: runacc Message: 3146 From: Byron Connell Date: 9/13/2016
Subject: Re: Costume-ConNections just got a massive overhaul!

 

It looks excellent!  Thank you.

 

Byron
Ps. I’ve never used the Word templates.
B.

 

 

On Sep 13, 2016, at 12:54 PM, Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

www.costume-con.org has joined the 21st Century, with a major site redesign and migration to WordPress.

I haven’t touched the Gallery, other than to redirect folks to the main page instead of the Genesis page on the main album, but I’ve messed with darn near everything else.

If you notice anything’s gone missing, tell me about it ASAP. I still have local copies of everything, much of which hasn’t been touched since 2008.

If you were linked to anything with a .shtml extension, revise your site links NOW. There should theoretically be an error page/search function automatically available, but that’s theory only.

Out of curiosity: Is anyone using the old Word templates in the Procedures section? If not, I’m thinking they should go. Most everyone knows how to copy and paste these days, and maintaining two versions of the same document means more chance of error long-term.
Thanks!
Onward.

Betsy

 

Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3147 From: casamai Date: 11/27/2016
Subject: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite

 

 

 

So.  Now that I have time to put some thoughts
together again, I want to get back to a previous discussion about Costume-Con
traditions.

 

 

To set the
stage for discussion, it’s been observed that there are fewer people from the
con’s history who are willing to run a con anymore.   They’ve done their time, hence the “Never
Again Club” (a tradition in itself ).   Fortunatley, there are new groups who are
willing to host a CC, bringing new ideas with them. 

 

 

 

 

 

In the past,
CCs were hosted by committee members who had already attended one or more
cons.   But due to economic realities,
there are more committees where many have not attended ANY CCs before their
own.  Working a Costume-Con is not the
same experience as attending one.    This can lead to the mistaken assumption that
if one has worked or organized any other fan-run convention, the principles are
the same.   This is true only up to a
point.  Costume-Con was modeled on
general SF cons, but it has its own unique community and thus its own
culture.   That community has certain
expectations  that are not defined by the
CC Constitution.

 

 

It’s assumed
that the future committees want to help continue those traditions, but it’s
difficult to do so when they’ve not attended and there’s no documentation
existing to help them.  

 

 

So let’s
revisit the discussion identifying traditions, the pros and cons and answer any
questions that might crop up along the way.

 

 

 

 

 

The Con
Suite

 

 

Believe it
or not, the Con Suite is NOT mandated by the Constitution.  But it is a longstanding tradition to have a
place to relax and where upcoming committees can host parties after the
masquerades.  Also, it is NOT required
that the Con Suite to provide so much food that attendees don’t need to go
somewhere to find a meal.   That can get
very expensive, and it makes it difficult to predict how much to procure,
possibly leading to waste.   At a
minimum, all that needs to be provided are light snacks, a variety of beverages
and sufficient seating.   There is no
requirement that the Con Suite make special accommodations for dietary
needs.  It’s a courtesy, but not
mandatory.

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3148 From: casamai Date: 11/28/2016
Subject: Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite

I should also add that the Con Suite has traditionally NOT been open during the major vents.   This is both to encourage people to attend the shows but more importantly, to ensure that there is not a shortage of refreshments by the time the audience AND participants have left a masquerade.

 

I also neglected to mention that traditionally, the next year’s committee has hosted the Suite on Saturday night, while the committee 2 years hence have hosted on Sunday night.

 

One more recent development has been the committees seeking out other conventions or Guild chapters to host the Suite at other times.  This has been nice, but not necessary.   The SLCG has often been sponsoring  Sunday mornings in the Suite.

 

Bruce

 

Group: runacc Message: 3149 From: Sharon Sbarsky Date: 11/28/2016
Subject: Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite
So I have some questions:

Does NOT being open during the major events tradition mean the first run, or including the break for the judges and the awards?

And in either case, is the opening expected to be IMMEDIATELY or give the Con Suite staff and/or Sponsor staff a chance to setup? If immediate, that means the staff may need to miss the end of the show or awards…

In CC33, DC17 was sponsoring the Con Suite on Saturday night, but since Warren and I were both in the show, but NIC, we started setting up after we were on stage and were ready by the time the awards ended (and a bit before.)

I had heard the tradition was for the CC THREE years hence to sponsor Sunday night after the selection was announced during the Historical. In fact at CC34, Aurora and i started taking memberships during the Judges’ break and Photo Op outside the Ballroom (she had a young baby that might limit how long she could stay up.) I had assumed that there were some spots that made sense (like selling memberships for the just selected CC) but that each future CC, guild chapters, other cons or bids may choose which slot works best for them (giving priority to future CCs.)

We n(CC37) were also thinking of allocating some of the required F&B to have hotel snack tables (cookies, cheese & crackers, clean fruit, etc.) in the Ballroom foyer during the Judges’ break/Photo Op. That may help to keep people around and delay the need to rush to the Con Suite. Thoughts?

Sharon

 

 

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 1:19 PM, casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

I should also add that the Con Suite has traditionally NOT been open during the major vents.   This is both to encourage people to attend the shows but more importantly, to ensure that there is not a shortage of refreshments by the time the audience AND participants have left a masquerade.

 

I also neglected to mention that traditionally, the next year’s committee has hosted the Suite on Saturday night, while the committee 2 years hence have hosted on Sunday night.

 

One more recent development has been the committees seeking out other conventions or Guild chapters to host the Suite at other times.  This has been nice, but not necessary.   The SLCG has often been sponsoring  Sunday mornings in the Suite.

 

Bruce

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3150 From: Byron Connell Date: 11/28/2016
Subject: Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite

 

My comments are below.

 

Byron

 

 

On Nov 28, 2016, at 1:39 PM, Sharon Sbarsky sbarsky@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
So I have some questions:

Does NOT being open during the major events tradition mean the first run, or including the break for the judges and the awards?

I think it generally has meant that the con suite does not open until after the awards have been made. However, there probably have been exceptions.

And in either case, is the opening expected to be IMMEDIATELY or give the Con Suite staff and/or Sponsor staff a chance to setup? If immediate, that means the staff may need to miss the end of the show or awards..

Personally, I think that’s the decision of the individual CC concom. I expect that many fen would like to have access to the con suite as early as possible once the awards have been made. Therefore, the group sponsoring the suite probably needs some members to get set up for a prompt opening.

.

In CC33, DC17 was sponsoring the Con Suite on Saturday night, but since Warren and I were both in the show, but NIC, we started setting up after we were on stage and were ready by the time the awards ended (and a bit before.)

I had heard the tradition was for the CC THREE years hence to sponsor Sunday night after the selection was announced during the Historical. In fact at CC34, Aurora and i started taking memberships during the Judges’ break and Photo Op outside the Ballroom (she had a young baby that might limit how long she could stay up.) I had assumed that there were some spots that made sense (like selling memberships for the just selected CC) but that each future CC, guild chapters, other cons or bids may choose which slot works best for them (giving priority to future CCs.)

I agree that it’s three years. In my experience, it’s the newly seated CC that sponsors the suite after it’s announced at the Historical, where it has the opportunity to solicit memberships.

We n(CC37) were also thinking of allocating some of the required F&B to have hotel snack tables (cookies, cheese & crackers, clean fruit, etc.) in the Ballroom foyer during the Judges’ break/Photo Op. That may help to keep people around and delay the need to rush to the Con Suite. Thoughts?

I love it! The only improvement would be a cash bar.

 

Sharon

 

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 1:19 PM, casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

I should also add that the Con Suite has traditionally NOT been open during the major vents.   This is both to encourage people to attend the shows but more importantly, to ensure that there is not a shortage of refreshments by the time the audience AND participants have left a masquerade.

I also neglected to mention that traditionally, the next year’s committee has hosted the Suite on Saturday night, while the committee 2 years hence have hosted on Sunday night.

One more recent development has been the committees seeking out other conventions or Guild chapters to host the Suite at other times.  This has been nice, but not necessary.   The SLCG has often been sponsoring  Sunday mornings in the Suite.

I believe ICG chapters picked up the idea of sponsoring the con suite even when they were not promoting a CC fairly early in our history, Subsequently, some SF cons and clubs picked up the idea. I’m not sure whether CC concoms “suggested” it to them. I was surprised the first time Lunacon (an east-coast SF con) signed on; however, there was a lot of overlap at the time in terms of Pups also being members of the Lunarians (Lunacon’s sponsoring club).

Bruce

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3151 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 11/29/2016
Subject: Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite

 

 

I stand corrected.   You’re right about Sunday night.   I’d forgotten about that.

 

The decision of what time to be open is sort of up to the committee, I suppose.  I seem to recall in the past that a number of staffers have run up sometime during the awards to get ready.

 

Putting snacks in the ballroom foyer is an interesting idea.   Might draw away from the goings-on during deliberation, but it could be a good calculated risk.   I almost want to say this was done once before (CC21?), but I could be wrong.   Could be worth the calculated risk, though.  Of course, that would be an additional cost to the con you just have to factor in to expenses.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 12:40 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite

So I have some questions:

Does NOT being open during the major events tradition mean the first run, or including the break for the judges and the awards?

And in either case, is the opening expected to be IMMEDIATELY or give the Con Suite staff and/or Sponsor staff a chance to setup? If immediate, that means the staff may need to miss the end of the show or awards…

In CC33, DC17 was sponsoring the Con Suite on Saturday night, but since Warren and I were both in the show, but NIC, we started setting up after we were on stage and were ready by the time the awards ended (and a bit before.)

I had heard the tradition was for the CC THREE years hence to sponsor Sunday night after the selection was announced during the Historical. In fact at CC34, Aurora and i started taking memberships during the Judges’ break and Photo Op outside the Ballroom (she had a young baby that might limit how long she could stay up.) I had assumed that there were some spots that made sense (like selling memberships for the just selected CC) but that each future CC, guild chapters, other cons or bids may choose which slot works best for them (giving priority to future CCs.)

We n(CC37) were also thinking of allocating some of the required F&B to have hotel snack tables (cookies, cheese & crackers, clean fruit, etc.) in the Ballroom foyer during the Judges’ break/Photo Op. That may help to keep people around and delay the need to rush to the Con Suite. Thoughts?

Sharon

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 1:19 PM, casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I should also add that the Con Suite has traditionally NOT been open during the major vents.   This is both to encourage people to attend the shows but more importantly, to ensure that there is not a shortage of refreshments by the time the audience AND participants have left a masquerade.

I also neglected to mention that traditionally, the next year’s committee has hosted the Suite on Saturday night, while the committee 2 years hence have hosted on Sunday night.

One more recent development has been the committees seeking out other conventions or Guild chapters to host the Suite at other times.  This has been nice, but not necessary.   The SLCG has often been sponsoring  Sunday mornings in the Suite.

Bruce

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3152 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 11/29/2016
Subject: Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite

I seem to recall CC14 offered snacks during deliberations. I was one of the snack carriers, IIRC.

 

 

On Nov 29, 2016 8:02 AM, “‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I stand corrected.   You’re right about Sunday night.   I’d forgotten about that.

 

The decision of what time to be open is sort of up to the committee, I suppose.  I seem to recall in the past that a number of staffers have run up sometime during the awards to get ready.

 

Putting snacks in the ballroom foyer is an interesting idea.   Might draw away from the goings-on during deliberation, but it could be a good calculated risk.   I almost want to say this was done once before (CC21?), but I could be wrong.   Could be worth the calculated risk, though.  Of course, that would be an additional cost to the con you just have to factor in to expenses.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com ]
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 12:40 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite

 

So I have some questions:

Does NOT being open during the major events tradition mean the first run, or including the break for the judges and the awards?

And in either case, is the opening expected to be IMMEDIATELY or give the Con Suite staff and/or Sponsor staff a chance to setup? If immediate, that means the staff may need to miss the end of the show or awards…

In CC33, DC17 was sponsoring the Con Suite on Saturday night, but since Warren and I were both in the show, but NIC, we started setting up after we were on stage and were ready by the time the awards ended (and a bit before.)

I had heard the tradition was for the CC THREE years hence to sponsor Sunday night after the selection was announced during the Historical. In fact at CC34, Aurora and i started taking memberships during the Judges’ break and Photo Op outside the Ballroom (she had a young baby that might limit how long she could stay up.) I had assumed that there were some spots that made sense (like selling memberships for the just selected CC) but that each future CC, guild chapters, other cons or bids may choose which slot works best for them (giving priority to future CCs.)

We n(CC37) were also thinking of allocating some of the required F&B to have hotel snack tables (cookies, cheese & crackers, clean fruit, etc.) in the Ballroom foyer during the Judges’ break/Photo Op. That may help to keep people around and delay the need to rush to the Con Suite. Thoughts?

 

Sharon

 

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 1:19 PM, casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I should also add that the Con Suite has traditionally NOT been open during the major vents.   This is both to encourage people to attend the shows but more importantly, to ensure that there is not a shortage of refreshments by the time the audience AND participants have left a masquerade.

 

I also neglected to mention that traditionally, the next year’s committee has hosted the Suite on Saturday night, while the committee 2 years hence have hosted on Sunday night.

 

One more recent development has been the committees seeking out other conventions or Guild chapters to host the Suite at other times.  This has been nice, but not necessary.   The SLCG has often been sponsoring  Sunday mornings in the Suite.

 

Bruce

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3153 From: ma0902432 Date: 11/29/2016
Subject: Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite
Hi Nora, so glad you are running this “series” ofnotes.

Just wanted to pipe in that I like the *new* CC tradition of having
ribbons and “CC 101” panels for first time attendees. Wanted to suggest
something that’s been done at my PA conferences for a while now: at one
of the talks where pretty much the entire conference attends, they have
people stand up who are new to the profession, and we all applaud. Later
they wil have people stand up in increments, i.e. 5 years, 10 years, etc.
That’s also kind of cool, where you get to know who are the “elders” of
hte profession. In our case, perhaps we could have something at the
Friday night Social where attendees could stand or raise hands if it’s
their first CC. I love talking to new attendees and finding out how they
found us!

Lisa a

On 27 Nov 2016 17:56:17 -0800 “casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]”
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

So. Now that I have time to put some thoughts together again, I want to
get back to a previous discussion about Costume-Con traditions.

To set the stage for discussion, it�s been observed that there are fewer
people from the con�s history who are willing to run a con anymore.
They�ve done their time, hence the �Never Again Club� (a tradition in
itself ). Fortunatley, there are new groups who are willing to host a
CC, bringing new ideas with them.

In the past, CCs were hosted by committee members who had already
attended one or more cons. But due to economic realities, there are
more committees where many have not attended ANY CCs before their own.
Working a Costume-Con is not the same experience as attending one.
This can lead to the mistaken assumption that if one has worked or
organized any other fan-run convention, the principles are the same.
This is true only up to a point. Costume-Con was modeled on general SF
cons, but it has its own unique community and thus its own culture.
That community has certain expectations that are not defined by the CC
Constitution.
It�s assumed that the future committees want to help continue those
traditions, but it�s difficult to do so when they�ve not attended and
there�s no documentation existing to help them.
So let�s revisit the discussion identifying traditions, the pros and cons
and answer any questions that might crop up along the way.

The Con Suite
Believe it or not, the Con Suite is NOT mandated by the Constitution.
But it is a longstanding tradition to have a place to relax and where
upcoming committees can host parties after the masquerades. Also, it is
NOT required that the Con Suite to provide so much food that attendees
don�t need to go somewhere to find a meal. That can get very expensive,
and it makes it difficult to predict how much to procure, possibly
leading to waste. At a minimum, all that needs to be provided are light
snacks, a variety of beverages and sufficient seating. There is no
requirement that the Con Suite make special accommodations for dietary
needs. It�s a courtesy, but not mandatory.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

 

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Group: runacc Message: 3054 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/3/2016
Subject: Re: Budgets
Group: runacc Message: 3055 From: casamai Date: 6/3/2016
Subject: SLCG Costume-Con Reviw: Panel Programming
Group: runacc Message: 3056 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/3/2016
Subject: Re: Budgets
Group: runacc Message: 3057 From: spiritof_76 Date: 6/4/2016
Subject: Re: Budgets
Group: runacc Message: 3058 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/4/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con Review: The Hotel
Group: runacc Message: 3059 From: casamai Date: 6/4/2016
Subject: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Friday Night Social and Single Pattern
Group: runacc Message: 3060 From: casamai Date: 6/4/2016
Subject: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show
Group: runacc Message: 3061 From: casamai Date: 6/4/2016
Subject: SLCG CostumeCon 34 Review: Fantasy and Science Fiction Masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 3062 From: casamai Date: 6/4/2016
Subject: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Historical Masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 3063 From: casamai Date: 6/4/2016
Subject: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Judgeing for the F & SF
Group: runacc Message: 3064 From: casamai Date: 6/4/2016
Subject: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Doll Show
Group: runacc Message: 3065 From: casamai Date: 6/4/2016
Subject: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Random notes and wrap up
Group: runacc Message: 3066 From: Jamie Butler Date: 6/4/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Historical Masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 3067 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/5/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Historical Masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 3068 From: ma0902432 Date: 6/5/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show
Group: runacc Message: 3069 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/5/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show
Group: runacc Message: 3070 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/5/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show
Group: runacc Message: 3071 From: spiritof_76 Date: 6/5/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show
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Group: runacc Message: 3054 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/3/2016
Subject: Re: Budgets

 

Costume-cons aren’t an ICG function. However, we are two closely allied organizations, so could the ICG provide a repository on its web site for data from various costume-cons? You may want to raise that with Philip.

 

I’m not certain that data from CC30 are necessarily too old to be useable. They can be adjusted for inflation. Recognizing that general inflation rates are not necessarily exact for our events, they’re still better than nothing. The data can further be divided between fixed and variable expenditures (such as expenditures per member for badges or expenditures per masquerade entrant for food). That would allow present and future concoms to use the updated data to benchmark their own estimates.
Byron

 

 

On Jun 3, 2016, at 10:36 AM, beckieboo817@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I have my people who are helping me to run CC36 requesting Actual Budgets for previous cons. The only one I have is for CC30 thanks to Elaine Mami and Marg Grady. But they say that’s too old (even though it’s only 4 years old). CC31 lost theirs on a hard drive crash. Same for CC32 and CC33 lost theirs with a Windows 10 install. My question is, can we have a central area where we put this stuff so that future cons have references? I mean, it would be nice to see the trends of various cons of membership buying, how much they charged for their dealer’s tables/booths, and just basic expenditures. I have 31’s numbers for when he sold what. I have his room night numbers (but again they say that’s too old). Oh and forget Toronto because that’s Canada. (their words, not mine)

 

I remember there was some talk of moving this off Yahoo and in to another format. What info I have gathered is on my Google Drive in folders and am willing to share but it would be nice to have more info.  Because the more info you have, the better you can make your con and give your attendees a better experience.

So, if anyone has actual budgets for previous costume cons, please let me know.

The people that are requesting this kind of info have run Westercons, Worldcons, World Fantasy Cons so they’re different from a Costume Con but it is still the same kind of info which should make the con a better experience.

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3055 From: casamai Date: 6/3/2016
Subject: SLCG Costume-Con Reviw: Panel Programming

 

 

 

Panel
programming took advantage of local and new panelists, and there were very few
dropouts.  Our new member, for whom this
was their first CC,  enjoyed many of the
panels, and how they were staggered a bit time-wise, rather than all of them
being directly opposite each other each hour.
They also like how it gave people an opportunity to take a break between
panels – eat, use the restroom, etc.  

 

 

 

 

 

It’s always
a good sign that there seemed enough to do.
There were 4 tracks of panel programming at the con, and this seemed to
be the right number for this-sized CC.
All panels we either participated in, or were an audience member of,  had good attendance.  It was suggested that perhaps some panels,
the most likely popular ones, should be repeated sometime during the
weekend.  That would give an opportunity
to catch one that might have conflicted with something else people had wanted
to see.   Another idea thrown out there
was to create a track just for repeats.
Maybe Friday panels on Saturday,
Saturday panels on Sunday?  This would
require polling panelists to see if they’d be willing to do the panel more than
once.   Speaking of popular panels, we
heard many people enjoyed the Tambour embroidery panel.

 

 

 

 

 

Note to
future Programming Directors:   Panels
that only tangentially relate to costuming can still be a good attendance draw,
like the “Thinking of Drinking” panel which was mainly about the history of
cocktails.     Another example: at CC16
we had a panel about cats and how they “help” their costuming owners.   So, in other words, try something with a lot
of crossover interest common to many people.
Other possible topics – favorite books for inspiration, processes/exercises
for unlocking creativity, and collectable vintage accessories.  

 

 

Encourage panelists
to have handouts or cards with websites of interest.  Another might be lists of Pinterest
boards.  At minimum, have the panelists
provide business cards with their contact info for questions.   You could even have them produced ahead of
time and Registration can put them into the swag bag.   When the attendee gets home and cleans it
out, there’s that panelist’s card, in case they lose it.   The only problem might be privacy concerns.  The other alternative might be to have a list
or resources from panels published and put in the swag bag. 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3056 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/3/2016
Subject: Re: Budgets
beckieboo817@yahoo.com wrote: “Oh and forget Toronto because that’s Canada. (their words, not mine)”

That’s ok, we’re accustom to it. XD

Being awesome in The Great White North anyway. Love, Canada. 💜

 

Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of CanadaVisit Anime North! – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Conventionwww.animenorth.com

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com

Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2016 07:36:23 -0700

Subject: [runacc] Budgets

 

I have my people who are helping me to run CC36 requesting Actual Budgets for previous cons. The only one I have is for CC30 thanks to Elaine Mami and Marg Grady. But they say that’s too old (even though it’s only 4 years old). CC31 lost theirs on a hard drive crash. Same for CC32 and CC33 lost theirs with a Windows 10 install. My question is, can we have a central area where we put this stuff so that future cons have references? I mean, it would be nice to see the trends of various cons of membership buying, how much they charged for their dealer’s tables/booths, and just basic expenditures. I have 31’s numbers for when he sold what. I have his room night numbers (but again they say that’s too old). Oh and forget Toronto because that’s Canada. (their words, not mine)

 

I remember there was some talk of moving this off Yahoo and in to another format. What info I have gathered is on my Google Drive in folders and am willing to share but it would be nice to have more info. Because the more info you have, the better you can make your con and give your attendees a better experience.

 

So, if anyone has actual budgets for previous costume cons, please let me know.

 

The people that are requesting this kind of info have run Westercons, Worldcons, World Fantasy Cons so they’re different from a Costume Con but it is still the same kind of info which should make the con a better experience.

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Group: runacc Message: 3057 From: spiritof_76 Date: 6/4/2016
Subject: Re: Budgets

When I was working on CC31, the only budget information I had to work
from was CC25 and CC15. The best budgeting information I received came
from my co-chair who runs another local convention.

Michael

On 2016-06-03 07:36, beckieboo817@yahoo.com [runacc] wrote:
> I have my people who are helping me to run CC36 requesting Actual
> Budgets for previous cons. The only one I have is for CC30 thanks to
> Elaine Mami and Marg Grady. But they say that’s too old (even though
> it’s only 4 years old). CC31 lost theirs on a hard drive crash. Same
> for CC32 and CC33 lost theirs with a Windows 10 install. My question
> is, can we have a central area where we put this stuff so that future
> cons have references? I mean, it would be nice to see the trends of
> various cons of membership buying, how much they charged for their
> dealer’s tables/booths, and just basic expenditures. I have 31’s
> numbers for when he sold what. I have his room night numbers (but
> again they say that’s too old). Oh and forget Toronto because that’s
> Canada. (their words, not mine)
>
> I remember there was some talk of moving this off Yahoo and in to
> another format. What info I have gathered is on my Google Drive in
> folders and am willing to share but it would be nice to have more
> info. Because the more info you have, the better you can make your con
> and give your attendees a better experience.
>
> So, if anyone has actual budgets for previous costume cons, please let
> me know.
>
> The people that are requesting this kind of info have run Westercons,
> Worldcons, World Fantasy Cons so they’re different from a Costume Con
> but it is still the same kind of info which should make the con a
> better experience.

 

Group: runacc Message: 3058 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/4/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con Review: The Hotel

 

 

Wups.   Forgot to edit that out.

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2016 8:14 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [runacc] SLCG Costume-Con Review: The Hotel

I believe we mentioned, the note about no free WiFi on the rooms is inaccurate. It was available both our roommates and we had multiple devices signed into the free room wifi. There was a high speed option which was also available.

P&S

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From: “casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 06/01/2016 9:42 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] SLCG Costume-Con Review: The Hotel

The Madison Marriott West was familiar to a few of us – it’s the same one used for Teslacon.   It was sorta weird being there for CC – it wasn’t real cold outside.   The rooms were nice, and hotel food seemed to be a little better than we remembered.  One nice thing we noticed was there lots of electrical outlets, thanks to some of them being in the table lamps.   There was free wifi in the convention center that’s attached to the hotel, but you had to pay if you wanted it in your room (boo!).    Free parking – always appreciated.   The convention didn’t use all the function space, so having enough was not a problem.  There were a couple of complaints about Housekeeping, but overall, they were okay.  At least they were thorough about cleaning rooms.   It was odd that they didn’t have much in the way of towel racks in the bathroom.  The clothing racks were kind of low – possibly to make them handicapped accessible?  It would be great if hotels would have extra hooks on the walls of the room for more hanging space.  And there was a hot tub and pool, but the hot tub was a bit hot, and the pool was rather warm – but hey they had a hot tub.

 

Opinions about the rest of the hotel staff (mainly the front desk) were mixed.    Some of us had good experiences, but others did not.

“I would not return there as a guest. I tended to feel rushed in the dining room, although that was perhaps a result of overly eager staff trying to meet my needs. I wanted to tell them that, when I wanted something I’d ask for it,.and that I wouldn’t know whether I wanted anything more until I finished what I was eating. I found the front desk staff bureaucratic and procedurally rigid. One day, we had to call housekeeping after 4:30 to ask if our room would be serviced. When the housekeeper showed up, she claimed we had a do-not-disturb sign on our door, which we had removed by 9:45 that morning.”

“Similarly, the staff did not seem to treat the con as a big function for the hotel, and perhaps it wasn’t, compared with the University of Wisconsin and the Wisconsin Broadcasters Association. (We certainly did not fill the bar the same way the broadcasters did.)

 

By  contrast, one staffer offered to pick people up from the restaurant across the street with the shuttle, if it was raining.

Speaking of the restaurant across the street, It was very handy to have a really good restaurant that close – Sprecher’s has lots of good choices.  Every year, those of us who go up for Teslacon find  more and more choices popping up around the area..

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Group: runacc Message: 3059 From: casamai Date: 6/4/2016
Subject: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Friday Night Social and Single Pattern

 

 

 

A
continuing  complaint from year to year
is the way the catered food service is handled.   The food goes out, people use it as their
dinner, and by the time the Single Pattern Contest entrants are off the stage,
the food is mostly gone (especially by after the Photo Run – more on that
later).   This is hardly fair to them and
should be taken into account in the future.
Contractually, food could not be served in the Green Room, but SOMEthing
should have been done for them.    One suggestion was to put only half of the food
out before the show, then put the remaining lot out after the show.  There were a few leftovers after the show,
but then the hotel staff took them away shortly thereafter.

 

 

 

 

 

Stepping out
as the SP Director for a moment, I (Bruce) was satisfied with how things went (in
comparison to my running the FFS back at CC30), having the 4th
largest number of contestants in the history of the show .   There were a lot of first timers, I was
happy to see.   The Fairy pattern was very popular, making up
the vast majority of entries.   We had a
couple people take the Single Concept Challenge, but for whatever reasons, a
few others wound up being entered in the Folio and the FFS instead. 

 

 

 

 

 

 I underestimated both the number of
participants and the quality of the entries.
I regret not asking for more award ribbons.  My judges did a great job, although there are
things I could have done better.   

 

 

 

From judge
Dave Kanoy:

 

 

“Please provide the judges with
adequate materials to judge.  We didn’t have pens and only had a few index
cards on which to make notes.  I had a mechanical pencil and we scrambled
for pens.  Andrea’s kept running out of ink.  The other two judges
made notes for multiple entries on single index cards, so they were happy with
one or two each.  I really need a separate item (index card, form, piece
of paper) for each entrant.  Pulling double duty as judge and
photographer, I was having to keep track of titles, names, entry numbers and
photo numbers.  I should have handed my phone to Andrea’s sister, who was
acting as our clerk.  She could have taken photos as well as I could
.”

 

 

 

 

 

My fault.   I should have arranged for a
“poloroid” of the entrants, given how many there were.   I was glad Dave took the initiative do to it
with a camera/phone he had.   

 

 

 

 

 

Kevin Roche (another of my judges) suggested that some future CC  SPS during the Social could be handled like a
fashion show where the exhibitors walk among the tables (it was caberet-style
seating at CC34).    This seems
problematic, because it relies on the entrants to make sure everyone at their
tables sees their costume.   But if
someone wants to make a “new mistake”, well, have at it.

 

 

 

 

 

Suggestions
for future SP Directors:   Maybe a “slush
fund” of floater ribbons needs to be on hand in case the judges want to expand
past a set number of awards.  I’m hoping
that the idea of the Single Concept Challenge will be used again – there’s a
lot of potential for all sorts of concepts.

 

 

 

Comments
from others:

 

 

“There
is something to be said (at least from a con’s perspective) to limiting the
info on ribbons to the name of the con and the word, “award.” That minimizes
the con’s problem of running out of ribbons for the specific event, with the
award certificate identifying the nature of the award and the event in which ii
was won. That can work very well for a con that takes place every year at the
same time and place……. It isn’t as effective for a con that moves, as a CC or a
Worldcon does.”

 

 

 

 

 

“I’ve often wondered why the single
pattern contest doesn’t use the skill division system.” 

 

 

 

I was handling the show like the FFS – perhaps this
needs to be reviewed and considered.

 

 

 

 

 

 Again, from Dave:

 

 

 

 

 

“ I don’t feel like we did an
adequate job of judging.  Because we had so few prizes to give out, once
we decided on a Best in Show and the other awards that were prescribed for us,
that left us with a lot of entries that I felt deserved an award.  Because
we had nothing to give, we stepped out of the box a little and gave essentially
a judges choice award to three more entries (each of us chose one entry), which
we called an honorable mention or special mention.  There were still more
that might have won something if we actually had to make some hard
choices.  These people get an award and these don’t.

 

 

 

 

 

Actual judges photos printed out
would serve us a lot better than pictures on my phone.  When
discussing  awards, it’s nice to be able to lay the photos out in front of
all of us.  As it was, I could dig through my pictures to pull up
individual entries as we needed to see them, but I could only do that for
entries we were actually talking about.  I have no way to display them all
in a viewable size where a judge could glance at one, recall something and put
that costume into the conversation.

 

 

 

 

 

Should also point out some things
that went well.  There seemed to be plenty of space, at least for
us.  Can’t speak for the entrants.  I know I’ve always griped about
the tiny size of CC green rooms, but this one seemed plenty big enough for this
contest at least.” 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3060 From: casamai Date: 6/4/2016
Subject: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show

 

 

 

Mostly
cribbing from Karen’s comments here:  She
would have liked to have had more entries.
Six people
did not properly notify her they would not be in the show.   There is a need to stress that contestants
should let the Director know well ahead of time if they will not get their
designs made.   For example, one of the
designers who reserved one of their own exclusively backed out, but didn’t
inform Karen.    Someone else could have
done it.   And a maker who did not want
to repeat a design lost their opportunity because the two people who were going
to do the same one backed out.

 

 

 

 

 

As usual,
there seemed to be fewer people in the audience for the Folio show.  Do people sleep in on Sunday morning?   There’s not much that can be done to
encourage more people to come to the show, despite no programming opposite
it.  Overall, though, Karen was pleased
with what she had and it ran smoothly.

 

 

 

Note to FFS
directors about run orders:  Put
an experienced person at the beginning and end and then sprinkle the other experienced
people among the first-timers.

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3061 From: casamai Date: 6/4/2016
Subject: SLCG CostumeCon 34 Review: Fantasy and Science Fiction Masquerade

 

 

 

We have mixed
feelings about starting the masq an hour earlier than usual – while it makes it
harder to get food and get down to the GR on time, it was sort of nice getting
out of the show earlier so we could go to the con suite and relax.  Since the show started at 7:00 pm, the  Green Room opened at 5:00.   We
suspect that this will probably not set a precedent.

 

 

 

 

 

In
comparison to past CCs, this was a sizeable masquerade.   There
were 43 entries: 2 Young Fans,  13
Novices, 8 Journeymen and 20 Masters.
Quality was good overall – few, if any
clunkers.   There were a few tech
audio glitches, but nothing heinous.
Steve Swope, as MC, got better and confident as the evening wore
on.   From the point of view of the
casual observer, the masq went reasonably smoothly.

 

 

 

 

 

We don’t
know all the details, but there was supposedly some problems  getting a Presentation/Front Stage judge for
the masq.   And there was quite a bit of discussion over
the system used for judging   We’ll
return to this subject later, as the outcome of the award distribution was cause
for controversy.   And what is a CC
without some controversy?

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3062 From: casamai Date: 6/4/2016
Subject: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Historical Masquerade

 

 

 

The Historical
masq went well.   It was a good mix of
periods.   And Master heavy again.  

 

 

Workmanship
Judging ran slow – according to some people, they judges took too long with some
entrants, and some entrants took too long talking to the judges – the usual
complaints.   As a result, scheduled
times slowly started getting pushed back further and further until they were
running an hour behind.   Kudos, though,
to the door manager who allowed some people to go ahead of others (with those
parties’ permission) when they were due for a panel.    It was not evident that the MD was in and
out of the room, checking on the judges, checking on the schedule, etc.  This could have kept people better corralled.   Judging wrapped up so late (probably due to
the 17 member entry that went last) that the masquerade was delayed by 20
minutes.  It seemed like no one knew
where they went (they ran up to their room to change – not sure if they got to eat
or not).

Good job by
the first time MC, Vicky.    Our new first-timer
member appreciated the announcement of what time period the entrant was
portraying, and not just the title.   There
appeared to have beeen plenty of awards, plenty of recognition given, so no
complaints about judging in this show.

 

 

 

Award
announcements were…… odd for both the SF and Historical.   We’re not sure if it was due to the
inexperience of the MD (who made the award announcements, not the MC)  but she announced the entrants names but not
the title of their presentation, nor the Skill Division they were in.  We weren’t the only ones who noticed this
discrepancy – others in the audience asked about this seeming oversight as
well.    In the SF masq, the titles were announced but
not the costumer.    Both ways make it more difficult to associate
a face with a presentation.  It’s
important to have a historical record of who did what.    People are used to the awards being announced
by class.   This is one of the CC traditions
that should be maintained, in our opinion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3063 From: casamai Date: 6/4/2016
Subject: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Judgeing for the F & SF

 

 

 

The
first  observation was about the Workmanship
judges. They took longer with the first several contestants, as much as 10-15
minutes, then flipped open a hand fan to discuss and make decisions behind for
the next 10 minutes.   After that, they’d
type on the tablets they were provided for entering their scores.   As the show got closer they were clearly feeling
pressure, allowing less and less time for following contestants, until they
were asking no questions at all.  Judging
continued during the show, not finishing until sometime shortly after the
masquerade. There were at least 3 entries needing to be interviewed.

 

 

 

 

 

Now about
the overall judging system:  there were 3
Workmanship judges, but only 2 Presentation judges.   Rather than averaging the two sets
independently, all 5 judges’ scores
were averaged together.  So, the awards
were weighted by 3/5th towards Workmanship.  In analysis, we understood what the intent of the MD was – to ensure that skits and “dance-offs” do not get precedence over the quality of the costume.   (Given the two Presentations judges, this was never really a danger – they knew better to be swayed by that.)   We just don’t agree with the methods used for award decisions. 

 

 

 

 

 

There is a
drawback  to this system when used at the
International level of competition.  Scoring
by judges can often be inconsistent – they may score higher at the beginning of
a masquerade, but give lower scores as the masquerade proceeds.  Or even vice versa.   The system is not as flexible to allow for
going back and reexamining their choices and perhaps make changes.  

 

 

 

 

 

The more
commonly used method is judges may make some score, but they also review their
notes and discuss the pros and cons of the individual entries.   They also have the “poloroids” of the
costumes to refresh their memories.
All of these factors are in the mix.
From there, they decide the Best In Show winner first, followed by the
Best In Classes,  and the “floaters”.

 

 

 

 

 

There were
21 “Judges Choice/Honorable Mentions” and 6 “Major Awards” (Best of Class, Workmanship,
Performance and Best in Show).  The
awards were announced with little distinction between Workmanship and
Presentation awards.  This eschewed the
usual tradition of  announcements by
class.   All this said, it seemed
everyone who received an award deserved one.

 

 

“Can’t say I am a fan of combining
Workmanship and Stage Presentation judging.  Often what makes a great
costume from workmanship standpoint can be completely lost when seen from a
stage distance.  Averaging those things together could drag a costume that
shows great from the stage down into the middle where it gets no award.  ……
Workmanship has always been an optional, though highly encouraged, part of the
masquerade.  So, if you didn’t go up for Workmanship judging, did you just
knock yourself out of any possibility of an award because the ( judges) scores
would be divided by 5 or was it a true average?  Didn’t like seeing the Workmanship
judges conspiring behind a fan after seeing each entry.  The judges should
be recording their own honest assessments of each costume and then reconciling
those opinions later.  During conspiration, the first judge to speak can
unfairly influence the other two judges.  Not a fan of numerical scoring
of entries, which is pretty much required if you’re going to average the
scores.  Costume quality can’t be empirically measured so that you can say
this one is one inch better than that one.  The other problem with
numerical scoring, is if you are considering subcategories of costume
quality.  Is fit equivalent to flow?  Is one greater than the other
and how much?  This argument could take place for any number of aspects of
costume construction.  If a costume is a media recreation, how do you rate
that vs an original design?  Another problem with numerical scoring is the
first person usually gets screwed.  They get an average rating regardless,
so the judges can leave themselves room for something better that might come
along.

 

 

 

 

 

All of this is the MD’s call and
while at the time I respect the position and the decision, that doesn’t mean I
have to agree with it.”

 

 

 

 

 

Side note:
this was the first time tablets were employed for judge scores, rather that the
tried and true pencil and paper pads.   There
was speculation over whether the tablet system would work better had there been
an even number of judges for both Workmanship and Presentation.

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3064 From: casamai Date: 6/4/2016
Subject: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Doll Show

 

 

 

“The Exhibits area may have been
small, but the doll show was not; it had far more entries than many previous
years, and kept growing as the con progressed.

 

 

 

 

 

The layout was surprising and a
bit unorthodox, but worked very well, allowing easy visual access to all sides
of the dolls.  I was initially a little
worried about physical vulnerability, especially being immediately adjacent to
the dealer’s area, but everyone I saw was very respectful and careful around
the dolls.  For a Costume-Con, I could
see using this layout again. 

 

 

 

 

 

As often happens, the
registration process was less formal than that used for the masquerades.  In this case, the registration form was also
the doll’s label.  It worked surprisingly
well, though I’ll admit there were a few dolls for which I wished the entry
information had been filled out more completely…..

 

 

 

 

 

The judging was surprising to me……..
I pretty much agreed with their choices, though I might have given a few more
awards had I been judging.”

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3065 From: casamai Date: 6/4/2016
Subject: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Random notes and wrap up

 

 

 

Official Photography

 

 

Two words
about Official Photography – “too expensive”.
At the prices they were charging, there was no way realistically  to purchase a whole set of photos of all the
events.  As a solution to that lost opportunity,
we are “crowdsourcing” photos from  all
our members who took pictures, sorting through them and distributing a CD to
each of them.

 

 

  

 

 

Note to
future Concoms:    Negotiate better deals
(this may’ve been the best they could do – we weren’t in on that part of the
planning )   At least the photographer
got a complete record of all the shows and made sure all the pictures were good
before letting the contestants leave the room.
Also, it was nice not to have the Official Photographer in the Green
Room. 

 

 

 

 

 

Tech

Rehearsals
ran quick and early for both shows.   Yay
for them!  

 

 

The PA
speakers were a bit tinny and anyone standing behind them couldn’t  understand what was being said due to the
acoustics.

 

 

 

 

 

Green
Room

Not very well catered – there were
very few sodas, only popcorn and pretzels for snacks.  

 

“I
saw this as a further indication that the hotel did not conside the con as a
major event. It did not treat us as if it was.  
CCs need to specify in the contract how the hotel will
handle the food. For events of our size, if it’s not in the contract, it
doesn’t happen.”

 

 

Why were people not notified there was a
press person wandering about taking pictures?
There appeared to be a shortage of den moms.    One of the masq participants wound up
herding  others to official photo.   Was there much of a push for volunteers,
beyond the website?    An announcement of
need for den moms could have been made during the FNS.

 

 

 

 

 

Photo runs


Starting with the FNS, it was noticed that the photo runs were taking too long.  Archon puts three people on stage at a time,
starting from stage left to stage right, with each of them rotating one
position to the right after everyone in the audience has had their chance to
take their pictures.    Longtime attendee Steward Hartman has been the
unofficial wrangler for the photo runs, directing people to move and make sure
everyone has their photos.   This
position ought to be officially recognized.

 

 

 

 

 

Dealers
Room

A nice, spacious room, with a pretty
good-sized number of dealers with lots of different wares for sale.    One
of the more popular dealers was the folks selling the vintage Japanese haori,
kimono etc. by the pound.   Only
complaint?   No booksellers.

 

 

 

 

 

Exhibits:  Some interesting stuff, mostly local, at
least half of it MACS members’s works.   We like how some of the costume exhibits were
spread out throughout the edges of theDealers Room.

 

 

Dead Dog
party

It occurred Monday afternoon.   Future
ConComs: Those of us who make your Monday room nights need something to do,
otherwise, we’ll leave earlier.   Plan
for something for the evening – even if it’s a simple as “hey, let’s hang out
at the pool/bar/whatever”.     The Archives could be opened up to show people something, with advanced knowledge.

 

 

All  things considered in this review, we had very few beefs with the way the con was run.   All the cricitisms were fairly
nit-picky.     We gave the con a B+ to
A-.

 

Well done, MACS.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3066 From: Jamie Butler Date: 6/4/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Historical Masquerade

Just to clarify, in regards to:

It was not evident that the MD was in and out of the room, checking on the judges, checking on the schedule, etc.  This could have kept people better corralled.”
 
I was checking in on the judging throughout the entire process as Samantha (my door/judges clerk) was on a radio with me consistently. I was not running down there physically, but I was checking on the judges and schedule. When it was evident that judging was running a bit behind, we had some of the contestants come down to tech early when possible, since that was running ahead of schedule.
 
That being said, it is correct the judges ran behind, but that is my fault as I did not allow enough time adjustment for the larger over all number of contestants that entered this year.
 
Jamie Butler

CC34 Historical Masquerade Director

 

 

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 7:38 PM, casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

 

The Historical
masq went well.   It was a good mix of
periods.   And Master heavy again.  

 

 

Workmanship
Judging ran slow – according to some people, they judges took too long with some
entrants, and some entrants took too long talking to the judges – the usual
complaints.   As a result, scheduled
times slowly started getting pushed back further and further until they were
running an hour behind.   Kudos, though,
to the door manager who allowed some people to go ahead of others (with those
parties’ permission) when they were due for a panel.    It was not evident that the MD was in and
out of the room, checking on the judges, checking on the schedule, etc.  This could have kept people better corralled.   Judging wrapped up so late (probably due to
the 17 member entry that went last) that the masquerade was delayed by 20
minutes.  It seemed like no one knew
where they went (they ran up to their room to change – not sure if they got to eat
or not).   

Good job by
the first time MC, Vicky.    Our new first-timer
member appreciated the announcement of what time period the entrant was
portraying, and not just the title.   There
appeared to have beeen plenty of awards, plenty of recognition given, so no
complaints about judging in this show.

 

 

 

Award
announcements were…… odd for both the SF and Historical.   We’re not sure if it was due to the
inexperience of the MD (who made the award announcements, not the MC)  but she announced the entrants names but not
the title of their presentation, nor the Skill Division they were in.  We weren’t the only ones who noticed this
discrepancy – others in the audience asked about this seeming oversight as
well.    In the SF masq, the titles were announced but
not the costumer.    Both ways make it more difficult to associate
a face with a presentation.  It’s
important to have a historical record of who did what.    People are used to the awards being announced
by class.   This is one of the CC traditions
that should be maintained, in our opinion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3067 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/5/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Historical Masquerade

 

 

Fair cop and these things happen. It was noted that the rehearsals were ahead of schedule – I believe that was included in the general tech notes.

BTW – your Door Dragon was excellent!

 

Nora Mai

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2016 8:57 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com; runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Historical Masquerade

Just to clarify, in regards to:

It was not evident that the MD was in and out of the room, checking on the judges, checking on the schedule, etc.  This could have kept people better corralled.”

I was checking in on the judging throughout the entire process as Samantha (my door/judges clerk) was on a radio with me consistently. I was not running down there physically, but I was checking on the judges and schedule. When it was evident that judging was running a bit behind, we had some of the contestants come down to tech early when possible, since that was running ahead of schedule.

That being said, it is correct the judges ran behind, but that is my fault as I did not allow enough time adjustment for the larger over all number of contestants that entered this year.

Jamie Butler

CC34 Historical Masquerade Director

 

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 7:38 PM, casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]

The Historical masq went well.   It was a good mix of periods.   And Master heavy again.  

Workmanship Judging ran slow – according to some people, they judges took too long with some entrants, and some entrants took too long talking to the judges – the usual complaints.   As a result, scheduled times slowly started getting pushed back further and further until they were running an hour behind.   Kudos, though, to the door manager who allowed some people to go ahead of others (with those parties’ permission) when they were due for a panel.    It was not evident that the MD was in and out of the room, checking on the judges, checking on the schedule, etc.  This could have kept people better corralled.   Judging wrapped up so late (probably due to the 17 member entry that went last) that the masquerade was delayed by 20 minutes.  It seemed like no one knew where they went (they ran up to their room to change – not sure if they got to eat or not).   

Good job by the first time MC, Vicky.    Our new first-timer member appreciated the announcement of what time period the entrant was portraying, and not just the title.   There appeared to have beeen plenty of awards, plenty of recognition given, so no complaints about judging in this show.

Award announcements were…… odd for both the SF and Historical.   We’re not sure if it was due to the inexperience of the MD (who made the award announcements, not the MC)  but she announced the entrants names but not the title of their presentation, nor the Skill Division they were in.  We weren’t the only ones who noticed this discrepancy – others in the audience asked about this seeming oversight as well.    In the SF masq, the titles were announced but not the costumer.    Both ways make it more difficult to associate a face with a presentation.  It’s important to have a historical record of who did what.    People are used to the awards being announced by class.   This is one of the CC traditions that should be maintained, in our opinion.

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3068 From: ma0902432 Date: 6/5/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show
I know that many of you running and supervising the Folio and the Fashion
Show are about my age, maybe a bit younger, so here is my personal take
on it. Ever since the Folio began to be put out completely
electronically I have barely looked at it and have not made up any
designs. I remember back when getting very excited about doing them, and
one year, being crazy disappointed because the design I Wanted had
already been reserved.

I think my brain just does not work that way, to be able to peruse and
compare designs on a screen. I know, I know, I could print out the whole
thing…….but with the number of designs it’s not been practical with
my printer, which only holds about 30 sheets of paper at a time. IT’s
frustrating.

The First CC I attended (CC9 in Columbia) I registered at the door, had
never even HEARD of the FFF. I really think our promotion and outreach
has gotten better.

I’ve also run the Fashion Show (CC27 in Baltimore) and I commiserate with
the you on contestants dropping out at the last minute (i.e. the con has
already started). It’s hard to be in constant communication with
entrants, and keep having to revise the show.

I still think that having it Sunday mid-day is the best alternative. I
preferred when the SP contest was run at the same time as the Fashion
Show; I understand all the reasons why people like it on a separate day,
but I wonder if the numbers really have shown that it pushes more people
to enter the Fashion Show or not.

Lisa a

On 04 Jun 2016 17:35:20 -0700 “casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]”
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

Mostly cribbing from Karen�s comments here: She would have liked to have
had more entries. Six people did not properly notify her they would not
be in the show. There is a need to stress that contestants should let
the Director know well ahead of time if they will not get their designs
made. For example, one of the designers who reserved one of their own
exclusively backed out, but didn�t inform Karen. Someone else could
have done it. And a maker who did not want to repeat a design lost
their opportunity because the two people who were going to do the same
one backed out.

As usual, there seemed to be fewer people in the audience for the Folio
show. Do people sleep in on Sunday morning? There�s not much that can
be done to encourage more people to come to the show, despite no
programming opposite it. Overall, though, Karen was pleased with what
she had and it ran smoothly.

Note to FFS directors about run orders: Put an experienced person at the
beginning and end and then sprinkle the other experienced people among
the first-timers.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 3069 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/5/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show
To answer in reverse order:
The numbers definitely support keeping the FFS away from any other competition. Just look at CC33 when the Portieres contest was run at the same time – there were 21 entries for that and only three for the FFS.
The discrepancy is usually not quite that drastic (and may often depend on the quality of the Folio itself) but the Folio Show loses in any instance where the contestants have to choose between the Folio and any other event.

As for electronic Folios versus hard-copy – it began as a matter of cost rather than trend. Printing & Mailing costs rose precipitously several years ago and the cost of the Folio became the biggest budget item for many CCs. Add in problems with delivering in a timely fashion (post production of a printed Folio is easily doubled by printing & mailing) and growing acceptance of electronic publications in the larger costuming community; you can see how electronic is the only feasible option going forward. As you say, you can always print it (many do). Given your printer limitations maybe it would be easier to load it on a flash drive and take it to your local Kinko’s (or whatever printshop is in your area).
The savings to the concom means they can provide more in other areas.

As an aside – did the horizontal format make it easier to browse the recent Folio as opposed to the past vertical formats? I was hoping it would make it more use-able as an electronic format.

Nora M

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 11:15 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show

I know that many of you running and supervising the Folio and the Fashion Show are about my age, maybe a bit younger, so here is my personal take on it. Ever since the Folio began to be put out completely electronically I have barely looked at it and have not made up any designs. I remember back when getting very excited about doing them, and one year, being crazy disappointed because the design I Wanted had already been reserved.

I think my brain just does not work that way, to be able to peruse and compare designs on a screen. I know, I know, I could print out the whole thing…….but with the number of designs it’s not been practical with my printer, which only holds about 30 sheets of paper at a time. IT’s frustrating.

The First CC I attended (CC9 in Columbia) I registered at the door, had never even HEARD of the FFF. I really think our promotion and outreach has gotten better.

I’ve also run the Fashion Show (CC27 in Baltimore) and I commiserate with the you on contestants dropping out at the last minute (i.e. the con has already started). It’s hard to be in constant communication with entrants, and keep having to revise the show.

I still think that having it Sunday mid-day is the best alternative. I preferred when the SP contest was run at the same time as the Fashion Show; I understand all the reasons why people like it on a separate day, but I wonder if the numbers really have shown that it pushes more people to enter the Fashion Show or not.

Lisa a

On 04 Jun 2016 17:35:20 -0700 “casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]”
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

Mostly cribbing from Karen s comments here: She would have liked to have
had more entries. Six people did not properly notify her they would not
be in the show. There is a need to stress that contestants should let
the Director know well ahead of time if they will not get their designs
made. For example, one of the designers who reserved one of their own
exclusively backed out, but didn t inform Karen. Someone else could
have done it. And a maker who did not want to repeat a design lost
their opportunity because the two people who were going to do the same one backed out.

As usual, there seemed to be fewer people in the audience for the Folio
show. Do people sleep in on Sunday morning? There s not much that can
be done to encourage more people to come to the show, despite no programming opposite it. Overall, though, Karen was pleased with what she had and it ran smoothly.

Note to FFS directors about run orders: Put an experienced person at the beginning and end and then sprinkle the other experienced people among the first-timers.

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Group: runacc Message: 3070 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/5/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show

 

I understand Lisa’s concern. I also understand Nora’s response abut printing. Many small organizations that used to print and mail journals, newsletters, reports, and so forth now rely on electronic publishing and distribution and print and mail only when specifically requested. It was the cost to the ICG of printing and mailing the Costumer’s Quarterly that doomed that publication. We had year after year after year of budget deficits because we were not able to control those costs. So far as I can tell, the ICG can afford to continue to publish The International Costumer only because it is produced and delivered electronically, with only a trivial number of hard copies mailed to members.

 

I don’t have Lisa’s printer problem. I have a color laser printer. So I normally print the Folio when it comes in, as I do The International Costumer and other electronic journals I receive. I recognize that I’m letting an organization transfer to my shoulders what otherwise would be its cost of publication; however, I’d rather do that than do without.
The ICG does print and mail a small number of copies of The International Costumer to ICG members who need to receive a hard copy. Can CC’s do likewise with regard to the Folio? If the number is controlled and known in advance, it could be covered in the con’s budget.
Byron
On Jun 5, 2016, at 2:57 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

To answer in reverse order:
The numbers definitely support keeping the FFS away from any other competition. Just look at CC33 when the Portieres contest was run at the same time – there were 21 entries for that and only three for the FFS.
The discrepancy is usually not quite that drastic (and may often depend on the quality of the Folio itself) but the Folio Show loses in any instance where the contestants have to choose between the Folio and any other event. 

As for electronic Folios versus hard-copy – it began as a matter of cost rather than trend. Printing & Mailing costs rose precipitously several years ago and the cost of the Folio became the biggest budget item for many CCs. Add in problems with delivering in a timely fashion (post production of a printed Folio is easily doubled by printing & mailing) and growing acceptance of electronic publications in the larger costuming community; you can see how electronic is the only feasible option going forward. As you say, you can always print it (many do). Given your printer limitations maybe it would be easier to load it on a flash drive and take it to your local Kinko’s (or whatever printshop is in your area).
The savings to the concom means they can provide more in other areas.

As an aside – did the horizontal format make it easier to browse the recent Folio as opposed to the past vertical formats? I was hoping it would make it more use-able as an electronic format.

Nora M

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 11:15 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show

I know that many of you running and supervising the Folio and the Fashion Show are about my age, maybe a bit younger, so here is my personal take on it. Ever since the Folio began to be put out completely electronically I have barely looked at it and have not made up any designs. I remember back when getting very excited about doing them, and one year, being crazy disappointed because the design I Wanted had already been reserved.  

I think my brain just does not work that way, to be able to peruse and compare designs on a screen. I know, I know, I could print out the whole thing…….but with the number of designs it’s not been practical with my printer, which only holds about 30 sheets of paper at a time. IT’s frustrating.  

The First CC I attended (CC9 in Columbia) I registered at the door, had never even HEARD of the FFF. I really think our promotion and outreach has gotten better. 

I’ve also run the Fashion Show (CC27 in Baltimore) and I commiserate with the you on contestants dropping out at the last minute (i.e. the con has already started). It’s hard to be in constant communication with entrants, and keep having to revise the show.  

I still think that having it Sunday mid-day is the best alternative. I preferred when the SP contest was run at the same time as the Fashion Show; I understand all the reasons why people like it on a separate day, but I wonder if the numbers really have shown that it pushes more people to enter the Fashion Show or not.

Lisa a 

On 04 Jun 2016 17:35:20 -0700 “casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]”
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

Mostly cribbing from Karen s comments here: She would have liked to have
had more entries. Six people did not properly notify her they would not
be in the show. There is a need to stress that contestants should let
the Director know well ahead of time if they will not get their designs
made. For example, one of the designers who reserved one of their own
exclusively backed out, but didn t inform Karen. Someone else could
have done it. And a maker who did not want to repeat a design lost
their opportunity because the two people who were going to do the same one backed out.

As usual, there seemed to be fewer people in the audience for the Folio
show. Do people sleep in on Sunday morning? There s not much that can
be done to encourage more people to come to the show, despite no programming opposite it. Overall, though, Karen was pleased with what she had and it ran smoothly.

Note to FFS directors about run orders: Put an experienced person at the beginning and end and then sprinkle the other experienced people among the first-timers.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Group: runacc Message: 3071 From: spiritof_76 Date: 6/5/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show

>
> The ICG does print and mail a small number of copies of The
> International Costumer to ICG members who need to receive a hard copy.
> Can CC’s do likewise with regard to the Folio? If the number is
> controlled and known in advance, it could be covered in the con’s
> budget.
>
> Byron

CC31 did mail hardcopy folios to a few who requested it. Probably under
a dozen. There were also some DVDs made for at the door registrations.

Michael

 

Group: runacc Message: 3072 From: ECM Date: 6/5/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show

 

Nora,
I would be happy to pay to have one sent to me.
Elaine


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 13:57:25 -0500
Subject: RE: [runacc] SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show

 

To answer in reverse order:
The numbers definitely support keeping the FFS away from any other competition. Just look at CC33 when the Portieres contest was run at the same time – there were 21 entries for that and only three for the FFS.
The discrepancy is usually not quite that drastic (and may often depend on the quality of the Folio itself) but the Folio Show loses in any instance where the contestants have to choose between the Folio and any other event.

As for electronic Folios versus hard-copy – it began as a matter of cost rather than trend. Printing & Mailing costs rose precipitously several years ago and the cost of the Folio became the biggest budget item for many CCs. Add in problems with delivering in a timely fashion (post production of a printed Folio is easily doubled by printing & mailing) and growing acceptance of electronic publications in the larger costuming community; you can see how electronic is the only feasible option going forward. As you say, you can always print it (many do). Given your printer limitations maybe it would be easier to load it on a flash drive and take it to your local Kinko’s (or whatever printshop is in your area).
The savings to the concom means they can provide more in other areas.

As an aside – did the horizontal format make it easier to browse the recent Folio as opposed to the past vertical formats? I was hoping it would make it more use-able as an electronic format.

Nora M

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 11:15 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show

I know that many of you running and supervising the Folio and the Fashion Show are about my age, maybe a bit younger, so here is my personal take on it. Ever since the Folio began to be put out completely electronically I have barely looked at it and have not made up any designs. I remember back when getting very excited about doing them, and one year, being crazy disappointed because the design I Wanted had already been reserved.

I think my brain just does not work that way, to be able to peruse and compare designs on a screen. I know, I know, I could print out the whole thing…….but with the number of designs it’s not been practical with my printer, which only holds about 30 sheets of paper at a time. IT’s frustrating.

The First CC I attended (CC9 in Columbia) I registered at the door, had never even HEARD of the FFF. I really think our promotion and outreach has gotten better.

I’ve also run the Fashion Show (CC27 in Baltimore) and I commiserate with the you on contestants dropping out at the last minute (i.e. the con has already started). It’s hard to be in constant communication with entrants, and keep having to revise the show.

I still think that having it Sunday mid-day is the best alternative. I preferred when the SP contest was run at the same time as the Fashion Show; I understand all the reasons why people like it on a separate day, but I wonder if the numbers really have shown that it pushes more people to enter the Fashion Show or not.

Lisa a

On 04 Jun 2016 17:35:20 -0700 “casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]”
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

Mostly cribbing from Karen s comments here: She would have liked to have
had more entries. Six people did not properly notify her they would not
be in the show. There is a need to stress that contestants should let
the Director know well ahead of time if they will not get their designs
made. For example, one of the designers who reserved one of their own
exclusively backed out, but didn t inform Karen. Someone else could
have done it. And a maker who did not want to repeat a design lost
their opportunity because the two people who were going to do the same one backed out.

As usual, there seemed to be fewer people in the audience for the Folio
show. Do people sleep in on Sunday morning? There s not much that can
be done to encourage more people to come to the show, despite no programming opposite it. Overall, though, Karen was pleased with what she had and it ran smoothly.

Note to FFS directors about run orders: Put an experienced person at the beginning and end and then sprinkle the other experienced people among the first-timers.

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Group: runacc Message: 3073 From: ECM Date: 6/5/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show

 

I have to agree with Lisa’s points.  I used to love making something from the FFF because I rarely have original design ideas.
Would it be reasonable to offer paper copies upon request?  I may well be one of the oldest in this group, and I love paper:  I can read it in the bathroom!  On breaks at work.  Anywhere!
And I also like the FFS & SP back-to-back.
My $.02
Elaine


 

 

I know that many of you running and supervising the Folio and the Fashion
Show are about my age, maybe a bit younger, so here is my personal take
on it. Ever since the Folio began to be put out completely
electronically I have barely looked at it and have not made up any
designs. I remember back when getting very excited about doing them, and
one year, being crazy disappointed because the design I Wanted had
already been reserved.

I think my brain just does not work that way, to be able to peruse and
compare designs on a screen. I know, I know, I could print out the whole
thing…….but with the number of designs it’s not been practical with
my printer, which only holds about 30 sheets of paper at a time. IT’s
frustrating.

The First CC I attended (CC9 in Columbia) I registered at the door, had
never even HEARD of the FFF. I really think our promotion and outreach
has gotten better.

I’ve also run the Fashion Show (CC27 in Baltimore) and I commiserate with
the you on contestants dropping out at the last minute (i.e. the con has
already started). It’s hard to be in constant communication with
entrants, and keep having to revise the show.

I still think that having it Sunday mid-day is the best alternative. I
preferred when the SP contest was run at the same time as the Fashion
Show; I understand all the reasons why people like it on a separate day,
but I wonder if the numbers really have shown that it pushes more people
to enter the Fashion Show or not.

Lisa a

On 04 Jun 2016 17:35:20 -0700 “casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]”
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

Mostly cribbing from Karen�s comments here: She would have liked to have
had more entries. Six people did not properly notify her they would not
be in the show. There is a need to stress that contestants should let
the Director know well ahead of time if they will not get their designs
made. For example, one of the designers who reserved one of their own
exclusively backed out, but didn�t inform Karen. Someone else could
have done it. And a maker who did not want to repeat a design lost
their opportunity because the two people who were going to do the same
one backed out.

As usual, there seemed to be fewer people in the audience for the Folio
show. Do people sleep in on Sunday morning? There�s not much that can
be done to encourage more people to come to the show, despite no
programming opposite it. Overall, though, Karen was pleased with what
she had and it ran smoothly.

Note to FFS directors about run orders: Put an experienced person at the
beginning and end and then sprinkle the other experienced people among
the first-timers.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3074 From: Trudy Leonard Date: 6/6/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show

 

I do find it slightly ironic that when we proposed making the FFF available as a digital download for CC 22, we were told that we couldn’t do it, and now it’s the norm. Times change.

Trudy

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—- Byron Connell byronpconnell@gmail.com [runacc] wrote —-

 

I understand Lisa’s concern. I also understand Nora’s response abut printing. Many small organizations that used to print and mail journals, newsletters, reports, and so forth now rely on electronic publishing and distribution and print and mail only when
specifically requested. It was the cost to the ICG of printing and mailing the Costumer’s Quarterly that doomed that publication. We had year after year after year of budget deficits because we were not able to control those costs. So far as I can tell, the
ICG can afford to continue to publish The International Costumer only because it is produced and delivered electronically, with only a trivial number of hard copies mailed to members.

I don’t have Lisa’s printer problem. I have a color laser printer. So I normally print the Folio when it comes in, as I do The International Costumer and other electronic journals I receive. I recognize that I’m letting an organization transfer
to my shoulders what otherwise would be its cost of publication; however, I’d rather do that than do without.
The ICG does print and mail a small number of copies of The International Costumer to ICG members who need to receive a hard copy. Can CC’s do likewise with regard to the Folio? If the number is controlled and known in advance, it could be covered
in the con’s budget.
Byron
On Jun 5, 2016, at 2:57 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’
casamai@sbcglobal.net
[runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

To answer in reverse order:
The numbers definitely support keeping the FFS away from any other competition. Just look at CC33 when the Portieres contest was run at the same time – there were 21 entries for that and only three for the FFS.
The discrepancy is usually not quite that drastic (and may often depend on the quality of the Folio itself) but the Folio Show loses in any instance where the contestants have to choose between the Folio and any other event. 

As for electronic Folios versus hard-copy – it began as a matter of cost rather than trend. Printing & Mailing costs rose precipitously several years ago and the cost of the Folio became the biggest budget item for many CCs. Add in problems with delivering
in a timely fashion (post production of a printed Folio is easily doubled by printing & mailing) and growing acceptance of electronic publications in the larger costuming community; you can see how electronic is the only feasible option going forward. As you
say, you can always print it (many do). Given your printer limitations maybe it would be easier to load it on a flash drive and take it to your local Kinko’s (or whatever printshop is in your area).
The savings to the concom means they can provide more in other areas.

As an aside – did the horizontal format make it easier to browse the recent Folio as opposed to the past vertical formats? I was hoping it would make it more use-able as an electronic format.

Nora M

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 11:15 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show

I know that many of you running and supervising the Folio and the Fashion Show are about my age, maybe a bit younger, so here is my personal take on it. Ever since the Folio began to be put out completely electronically I have barely looked at it and have not
made up any designs. I remember back when getting very excited about doing them, and one year, being crazy disappointed because the design I Wanted had already been reserved.  

I think my brain just does not work that way, to be able to peruse and compare designs on a screen. I know, I know, I could print out the whole thing…….but with the number of designs it’s not been practical with my printer, which only holds about 30 sheets
of paper at a time. IT’s frustrating.  

The First CC I attended (CC9 in Columbia) I registered at the door, had never even HEARD of the FFF. I really think our promotion and outreach has gotten better. 

I’ve also run the Fashion Show (CC27 in Baltimore) and I commiserate with the you on contestants dropping out at the last minute (i.e. the con has already started). It’s hard to be in constant communication with entrants, and keep having to revise the show.  

I still think that having it Sunday mid-day is the best alternative. I preferred when the SP contest was run at the same time as the Fashion Show; I understand all the reasons why people like it on a separate day, but I wonder if the numbers really have shown
that it pushes more people to enter the Fashion Show or not.

Lisa a 

On 04 Jun 2016 17:35:20 -0700 “casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]”
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

Mostly cribbing from Karen s comments here: She would have liked to have
had more entries. Six people did not properly notify her they would not
be in the show. There is a need to stress that contestants should let
the Director know well ahead of time if they will not get their designs
made. For example, one of the designers who reserved one of their own
exclusively backed out, but didn t inform Karen. Someone else could
have done it. And a maker who did not want to repeat a design lost
their opportunity because the two people who were going to do the same one backed out.

As usual, there seemed to be fewer people in the audience for the Folio
show. Do people sleep in on Sunday morning? There s not much that can
be done to encourage more people to come to the show, despite no programming opposite it. Overall, though, Karen was pleased with what she had and it ran smoothly.

Note to FFS directors about run orders: Put an experienced person at the beginning and end and then sprinkle the other experienced people among the first-timers.

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Group: runacc Message: 3075 From: ma0902432 Date: 6/6/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show
Honestly, I’d personally be happy to mail a check to pay for a print copy
of the Folio for Myself, because I like to keep them, along with photos
of the designs people made up, and getting the entrants to autograph my
copy!!! That’s what I used to do and I have some great memories that
way. It would also be cool to have one that for the Archives.

Lisa a

On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 18:56:29 -0400 “Byron Connell byronpconnell@gmail.com
[runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

I understand Lisa�s concern. I also understand Nora�s response abut
printing. Many small organizations that used to print and mail journals,
newsletters, reports, and so forth now rely on electronic publishing and
distribution and print and mail only when specifically requested. It was
the cost to the ICG of printing and mailing the Costumer�s Quarterly that
doomed that publication. We had year after year after year of budget
deficits because we were not able to control those costs. So far as I can
tell, the ICG can afford to continue to publish The International
Costumer only because it is produced and delivered electronically, with
only a trivial number of hard copies mailed to members.

I don�t have Lisa�s printer problem. I have a color laser printer. So I
normally print the Folio when it comes in, as I do The International
Costumer and other electronic journals I receive. I recognize that I�m
letting an organization transfer to my shoulders what otherwise would be
its cost of publication; however, I�d rather do that than do without.

The ICG does print and mail a small number of copies of The International
Costumer to ICG members who need to receive a hard copy. Can CC�s do
likewise with regard to the Folio? If the number is controlled and known
in advance, it could be covered in the con�s budget.

Byron

On Jun 5, 2016, at 2:57 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net
[runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

To answer in reverse order:
The numbers definitely support keeping the FFS away from any other
competition. Just look at CC33 when the Portieres contest was run at the
same time – there were 21 entries for that and only three for the FFS.
The discrepancy is usually not quite that drastic (and may often depend
on the quality of the Folio itself) but the Folio Show loses in any
instance where the contestants have to choose between the Folio and any
other event.

As for electronic Folios versus hard-copy – it began as a matter of cost
rather than trend. Printing & Mailing costs rose precipitously several
years ago and the cost of the Folio became the biggest budget item for
many CCs. Add in problems with delivering in a timely fashion (post
production of a printed Folio is easily doubled by printing & mailing)
and growing acceptance of electronic publications in the larger costuming
community; you can see how electronic is the only feasible option going
forward. As you say, you can always print it (many do). Given your
printer limitations maybe it would be easier to load it on a flash drive
and take it to your local Kinko’s (or whatever printshop is in your
area).
The savings to the concom means they can provide more in other areas.

As an aside – did the horizontal format make it easier to browse the
recent Folio as opposed to the past vertical formats? I was hoping it
would make it more use-able as an electronic format.

Nora M

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 11:15 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show

I know that many of you running and supervising the Folio and the Fashion
Show are about my age, maybe a bit younger, so here is my personal take
on it. Ever since the Folio began to be put out completely electronically
I have barely looked at it and have not made up any designs. I remember
back when getting very excited about doing them, and one year, being
crazy disappointed because the design I Wanted had already been reserved.

I think my brain just does not work that way, to be able to peruse and
compare designs on a screen. I know, I know, I could print out the whole
thing…….but with the number of designs it’s not been practical with
my printer, which only holds about 30 sheets of paper at a time. IT’s
frustrating.

The First CC I attended (CC9 in Columbia) I registered at the door, had
never even HEARD of the FFF. I really think our promotion and outreach
has gotten better.

I’ve also run the Fashion Show (CC27 in Baltimore) and I commiserate with
the you on contestants dropping out at the last minute (i.e. the con has
already started). It’s hard to be in constant communication with
entrants, and keep having to revise the show.

I still think that having it Sunday mid-day is the best alternative. I
preferred when the SP contest was run at the same time as the Fashion
Show; I understand all the reasons why people like it on a separate day,
but I wonder if the numbers really have shown that it pushes more people
to enter the Fashion Show or not.

Lisa a

On 04 Jun 2016 17:35:20 -0700 “casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]”
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

Mostly cribbing from Karen s comments here: She would have liked to have
had more entries. Six people did not properly notify her they would not
be in the show. There is a need to stress that contestants should let
the Director know well ahead of time if they will not get their designs
made. For example, one of the designers who reserved one of their own
exclusively backed out, but didn t inform Karen. Someone else could
have done it. And a maker who did not want to repeat a design lost
their opportunity because the two people who were going to do the same
one backed out.

As usual, there seemed to be fewer people in the audience for the Folio
show. Do people sleep in on Sunday morning? There s not much that can
be done to encourage more people to come to the show, despite no
programming opposite it. Overall, though, Karen was pleased with what she
had and it ran smoothly.

Note to FFS directors about run orders: Put an experienced person at the
beginning and end and then sprinkle the other experienced people among
the first-timers.

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Group: runacc Message: 3076 From: ma0902432 Date: 6/6/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show

 

Thanks Nora.
The cost info makes it more understandable.  And the
suggestion of putting it on a drive and printing it at a shop makes sense
too.  I wish I still had a job where I could do that!
It still seems to me, that Costume Con is not enough days for
everything we all want to pack into it!!
Lisa a
On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 13:57:25 -0500 “‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
writes:

> To answer in reverse order:
> The numbers definitely

support keeping the FFS away from any other

> competition. Just look at

CC33 when the Portieres contest was run at

> the same time – there were

21 entries for that and only three for

> the FFS.
> The discrepancy

is usually not quite that drastic (and may often

> depend on the quality

of the Folio itself) but the Folio Show loses

> in any instance where the

contestants have to choose between the

> Folio and any other event.

>
> As for electronic Folios versus hard-copy – it began as a

matter of

> cost rather than trend. Printing & Mailing costs rose

precipitously

> several years ago and the cost of the Folio became the

biggest

> budget item for many CCs. Add in problems with delivering in a

> timely fashion (post production of a printed Folio is easily doubled

> by printing & mailing) and growing acceptance of electronic

> publications in the larger costuming community; you can see how

> electronic is the only feasible option going forward. As you say,

> you can always print it (many do). Given your printer limitations

> maybe it would be easier to load it on a flash drive and take it to

> your local Kinko’s (or whatever printshop is in your area).
> The

savings to the concom means they can provide more in other

>

areas.

>
> As an aside – did the horizontal format make it easier

to browse the

> recent Folio as opposed to the past vertical formats? I

was hoping

> it would make it more use-able as an electronic

format.

>
> Nora M
>
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>

Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 11:15 AM

> To:

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> Subject:

Re: [runacc] SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion

> Show
>

> I know that many of you running and supervising the Folio and the

> Fashion Show are about my age, maybe a bit younger, so here is my

> personal take on it.  Ever since the Folio began to be put out

> completely electronically I have barely looked at it and have not

> made  up any designs. I remember back when getting very excited

> about doing them, and one year, being crazy disappointed because the

> design I Wanted had already been reserved.
>

>  I think my brain just does not work that way, to be able to

peruse

> and compare designs on a screen.  I know, I know, I could

print out

> the whole thing…….but with the number of designs it’s not

been

> practical with my printer, which only holds about 30 sheets of

paper

> at a time.  IT’s frustrating.
>
> The

First CC I attended (CC9 in Columbia) I registered at the door,

> had

never even HEARD of the FFF.  I really think our promotion and

>

outreach has gotten better.

>
> I’ve also run the Fashion Show

(CC27 in Baltimore) and I commiserate

> with the you on contestants

dropping out at the last minute (i.e.

> the con has already

started).  It’s hard to be in constant

> communication with

entrants, and keep having to revise the show.

>
> I still

think that having it Sunday mid-day is the best alternative.

> I

preferred when the SP contest was run at the same time as the

> Fashion

Show; I understand all the reasons why people like it on a

> separate

day, but I wonder if the numbers really have shown that it

> pushes more

people to enter the Fashion Show or not.

>
> Lisa a
>

> On 04 Jun 2016 17:35:20 -0700 “

href=”mailto:casamai@sbcglobal.net”>casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]”

>

<runacc@yahoogroups.com>
writes:

>
>
>
> Mostly cribbing from Karen s comments

here:  She would have liked to

> have
> had more

entries.   Six people did not properly notify her they

> would

not

> be in the show.   There is a need to stress that

contestants should

> let
> the Director know well ahead of time if

they will not get their

> designs
> made.   For example,

one of the designers who reserved one of their

> own
> exclusively

backed out, but didn t inform Karen.    Someone else

>

could

> have done it.   And a maker who did not want to repeat a

design

> lost
> their opportunity because the two people who were

going to do the

> same one backed out.
>
> As usual, there

seemed to be fewer people in the audience for the

> Folio
>

show.  Do people sleep in on Sunday morning?   There s not much
that

> can
> be done to encourage more people to come to the show,

despite no

> programming opposite it.  Overall, though, Karen was

pleased with

> what she had and it ran smoothly.
>
>

> Note to FFS directors about run orders:  Put an experienced person

> at the beginning and end and then sprinkle the other experienced

> people among the first-timers.
>
>
>
>

>
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Group: runacc Message: 3077 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/6/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show
There are print-on-demand services that would make it easy for people who want to buy a copy of the folio to do so online, and have it sent directly to them.

The problem is I don’t know many of them that would make it easy to restrict purchase of print folios to convention members only.

 

 

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 4:09 AM lisa58@juno.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

Thanks Nora.
The cost info makes it more understandable.  And the
suggestion of putting it on a drive and printing it at a shop makes sense
too.  I wish I still had a job where I could do that!
It still seems to me, that Costume Con is not enough days for
everything we all want to pack into it!!
Lisa a
On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 13:57:25 -0500 “‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
writes:
> To answer in reverse order:
> The numbers definitely
support keeping the FFS away from any other
> competition. Just look at
CC33 when the Portieres contest was run at
> the same time – there were
21 entries for that and only three for
> the FFS.
> The discrepancy
is usually not quite that drastic (and may often
> depend on the quality
of the Folio itself) but the Folio Show loses
> in any instance where the
contestants have to choose between the
> Folio and any other event.

>
> As for electronic Folios versus hard-copy – it began as a
matter of
> cost rather than trend. Printing & Mailing costs rose
precipitously
> several years ago and the cost of the Folio became the
biggest
> budget item for many CCs. Add in problems with delivering in a

> timely fashion (post production of a printed Folio is easily doubled

> by printing & mailing) and growing acceptance of electronic

> publications in the larger costuming community; you can see how

> electronic is the only feasible option going forward. As you say,

> you can always print it (many do). Given your printer limitations

> maybe it would be easier to load it on a flash drive and take it to

> your local Kinko’s (or whatever printshop is in your area).
> The
savings to the concom means they can provide more in other
>
areas.
>
> As an aside – did the horizontal format make it easier
to browse the
> recent Folio as opposed to the past vertical formats? I
was hoping
> it would make it more use-able as an electronic
format.
>
> Nora M
>
> —–Original
Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
>
Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 11:15 AM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:
Re: [runacc] SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion
> Show
>

> I know that many of you running and supervising the Folio and the

> Fashion Show are about my age, maybe a bit younger, so here is my

> personal take on it.  Ever since the Folio began to be put out

> completely electronically I have barely looked at it and have not

> made  up any designs. I remember back when getting very excited

> about doing them, and one year, being crazy disappointed because the

> design I Wanted had already been reserved.
>

>  I think my brain just does not work that way, to be able to
peruse
> and compare designs on a screen.  I know, I know, I could
print out
> the whole thing…….but with the number of designs it’s not
been
> practical with my printer, which only holds about 30 sheets of
paper
> at a time.  IT’s frustrating.
>
> The
First CC I attended (CC9 in Columbia) I registered at the door,
> had
never even HEARD of the FFF.  I really think our promotion and
>
outreach has gotten better.
>
> I’ve also run the Fashion Show
(CC27 in Baltimore) and I commiserate
> with the you on contestants
dropping out at the last minute (i.e.
> the con has already
started).  It’s hard to be in constant
> communication with
entrants, and keep having to revise the show.
>
> I still
think that having it Sunday mid-day is the best alternative.
> I
preferred when the SP contest was run at the same time as the
> Fashion
Show; I understand all the reasons why people like it on a
> separate
day, but I wonder if the numbers really have shown that it
> pushes more
people to enter the Fashion Show or not.
>
> Lisa a
>

> On 04 Jun 2016 17:35:20 -0700 “casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]”
>
<runacc@yahoogroups.com>
writes:
>
>
>
> Mostly cribbing from Karen s comments
here:  She would have liked to
> have
> had more
entries.   Six people did not properly notify her they
> would
not
> be in the show.   There is a need to stress that
contestants should
> let
> the Director know well ahead of time if
they will not get their
> designs
> made.   For example,
one of the designers who reserved one of their
> own
> exclusively
backed out, but didn t inform Karen.    Someone else
>
could
> have done it.   And a maker who did not want to repeat a
design
> lost
> their opportunity because the two people who were
going to do the
> same one backed out.
>
> As usual, there
seemed to be fewer people in the audience for the
> Folio
>
show.  Do people sleep in on Sunday morning?   There s not much
that
> can
> be done to encourage more people to come to the show,
despite no
> programming opposite it.  Overall, though, Karen was
pleased with
> what she had and it ran smoothly.
>
>

> Note to FFS directors about run orders:  Put an experienced person

> at the beginning and end and then sprinkle the other experienced

> people among the first-timers.
>
>
>
>

>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
>
> ————————————
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by: <lisa58@juno.com>
>
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>
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>
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>

>
>
>
>

>
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>
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>
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Group: runacc Message: 3078 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 6/7/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show

We had considered a print-membership price for CC37 and discarded the idea.  Perhaps we will revisit.  Are there other things people would like in print other than the folio?

~Aurora

 

On Monday, June 6, 2016, Andrew Trembley attrembl@bovil.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

There are print-on-demand services that would make it easy for people who want to buy a copy of the folio to do so online, and have it sent directly to them.

The problem is I don’t know many of them that would make it easy to restrict purchase of print folios to convention members only.

 

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 4:09 AM lisa58@juno.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

Thanks Nora.
The cost info makes it more understandable.  And the
suggestion of putting it on a drive and printing it at a shop makes sense
too.  I wish I still had a job where I could do that!
It still seems to me, that Costume Con is not enough days for
everything we all want to pack into it!!
Lisa a
On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 13:57:25 -0500 “‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
writes:
> To answer in reverse order:
> The numbers definitely
support keeping the FFS away from any other
> competition. Just look at
CC33 when the Portieres contest was run at
> the same time – there were
21 entries for that and only three for
> the FFS.
> The discrepancy
is usually not quite that drastic (and may often
> depend on the quality
of the Folio itself) but the Folio Show loses
> in any instance where the
contestants have to choose between the
> Folio and any other event.

>
> As for electronic Folios versus hard-copy – it began as a
matter of
> cost rather than trend. Printing & Mailing costs rose
precipitously
> several years ago and the cost of the Folio became the
biggest
> budget item for many CCs. Add in problems with delivering in a

> timely fashion (post production of a printed Folio is easily doubled

> by printing & mailing) and growing acceptance of electronic

> publications in the larger costuming community; you can see how

> electronic is the only feasible option going forward. As you say,

> you can always print it (many do). Given your printer limitations

> maybe it would be easier to load it on a flash drive and take it to

> your local Kinko’s (or whatever printshop is in your area).
> The
savings to the concom means they can provide more in other
>
areas.
>
> As an aside – did the horizontal format make it easier
to browse the
> recent Folio as opposed to the past vertical formats? I
was hoping
> it would make it more use-able as an electronic
format.
>
> Nora M
>
> —–Original
Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
>
Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 11:15 AM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:
Re: [runacc] SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion
> Show
>

> I know that many of you running and supervising the Folio and the

> Fashion Show are about my age, maybe a bit younger, so here is my

> personal take on it.  Ever since the Folio began to be put out

> completely electronically I have barely looked at it and have not

> made  up any designs. I remember back when getting very excited

> about doing them, and one year, being crazy disappointed because the

> design I Wanted had already been reserved.
>

>  I think my brain just does not work that way, to be able to
peruse
> and compare designs on a screen.  I know, I know, I could
print out
> the whole thing…….but with the number of designs it’s not
been
> practical with my printer, which only holds about 30 sheets of
paper
> at a time.  IT’s frustrating.
>
> The
First CC I attended (CC9 in Columbia) I registered at the door,
> had
never even HEARD of the FFF.  I really think our promotion and
>
outreach has gotten better.
>
> I’ve also run the Fashion Show
(CC27 in Baltimore) and I commiserate
> with the you on contestants
dropping out at the last minute (i.e.
> the con has already
started).  It’s hard to be in constant
> communication with
entrants, and keep having to revise the show.
>
> I still
think that having it Sunday mid-day is the best alternative.
> I
preferred when the SP contest was run at the same time as the
> Fashion
Show; I understand all the reasons why people like it on a
> separate
day, but I wonder if the numbers really have shown that it
> pushes more
people to enter the Fashion Show or not.
>
> Lisa a
>

> On 04 Jun 2016 17:35:20 -0700 “casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]”
>
<runacc@yahoogroups.com>
writes:
>
>
>
> Mostly cribbing from Karen s comments
here:  She would have liked to
> have
> had more
entries.   Six people did not properly notify her they
> would
not
> be in the show.   There is a need to stress that
contestants should
> let
> the Director know well ahead of time if
they will not get their
> designs
> made.   For example,
one of the designers who reserved one of their
> own
> exclusively
backed out, but didn t inform Karen.    Someone else
>
could
> have done it.   And a maker who did not want to repeat a
design
> lost
> their opportunity because the two people who were
going to do the
> same one backed out.
>
> As usual, there
seemed to be fewer people in the audience for the
> Folio
>
show.  Do people sleep in on Sunday morning?   There s not much
that
> can
> be done to encourage more people to come to the show,
despite no
> programming opposite it.  Overall, though, Karen was
pleased with
> what she had and it ran smoothly.
>
>

> Note to FFS directors about run orders:  Put an experienced person

> at the beginning and end and then sprinkle the other experienced

> people among the first-timers.
>
>
>
>

>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
>
> ————————————
> Posted
by: <lisa58@juno.com>
>
————————————
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
>
————————————
>
> Yahoo Groups Links
>

>
>
>
>

>
————————————
> Posted by: “Nora & Bruce Mai”
<casamai@sbcglobal.net>
>
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>
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>
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Group: runacc Message: 3079 From: Sharon Sbarsky Date: 6/7/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show
I’ve also been reading these threads with interest, and will probably go back into the archives for earlier CCs. 😉 I assume that all are available to share with our committee?

I’ve been thinking about the print/online FFF. As Aurora said, we were looking at a special print-membership price, but mostly decided against it because of complexity and impact on the budget. (balancing the income and expense of print publications.)

But I’ve been wondering about electronic FFF. is the problem people have with view the the FF online that it really isn’t optimized for a laptop, tablet, or phone? If each design was setup so that it is easily viewable (make larger, etc.) on someone’s phone or tablet would that be better? Perhaps also letting the member print which ever designs they want, and not the cost of the entire FFF.

Phone and tablet apps have been improving, and by 2019 we should be able to get something that is better than what we’ve had until now.

Sharon

 

 

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 12:34 PM, Aurora Celeste auroraceleste@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

We had considered a print-membership price for CC37 and discarded the idea.  Perhaps we will revisit.  Are there other things people would like in print other than the folio?

~Aurora

On Monday, June 6, 2016, Andrew Trembley attrembl@bovil.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

There are print-on-demand services that would make it easy for people who want to buy a copy of the folio to do so online, and have it sent directly to them.

The problem is I don’t know many of them that would make it easy to restrict purchase of print folios to convention members only.

 

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 4:09 AM lisa58@juno.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

Thanks Nora.
The cost info makes it more understandable.  And the
suggestion of putting it on a drive and printing it at a shop makes sense
too.  I wish I still had a job where I could do that!
It still seems to me, that Costume Con is not enough days for
everything we all want to pack into it!!
Lisa a
On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 13:57:25 -0500 “‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
writes:
> To answer in reverse order:
> The numbers definitely
support keeping the FFS away from any other
> competition. Just look at
CC33 when the Portieres contest was run at
> the same time – there were
21 entries for that and only three for
> the FFS.
> The discrepancy
is usually not quite that drastic (and may often
> depend on the quality
of the Folio itself) but the Folio Show loses
> in any instance where the
contestants have to choose between the
> Folio and any other event.

>
> As for electronic Folios versus hard-copy – it began as a
matter of
> cost rather than trend. Printing & Mailing costs rose
precipitously
> several years ago and the cost of the Folio became the
biggest
> budget item for many CCs. Add in problems with delivering in a

> timely fashion (post production of a printed Folio is easily doubled

> by printing & mailing) and growing acceptance of electronic

> publications in the larger costuming community; you can see how

> electronic is the only feasible option going forward. As you say,

> you can always print it (many do). Given your printer limitations

> maybe it would be easier to load it on a flash drive and take it to

> your local Kinko’s (or whatever printshop is in your area).
> The
savings to the concom means they can provide more in other
>
areas.
>
> As an aside – did the horizontal format make it easier
to browse the
> recent Folio as opposed to the past vertical formats? I
was hoping
> it would make it more use-able as an electronic
format.
>
> Nora M
>
> —–Original
Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
>
Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 11:15 AM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:
Re: [runacc] SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion
> Show
>

> I know that many of you running and supervising the Folio and the

> Fashion Show are about my age, maybe a bit younger, so here is my

> personal take on it.  Ever since the Folio began to be put out

> completely electronically I have barely looked at it and have not

> made  up any designs. I remember back when getting very excited

> about doing them, and one year, being crazy disappointed because the

> design I Wanted had already been reserved.
>

>  I think my brain just does not work that way, to be able to
peruse
> and compare designs on a screen.  I know, I know, I could
print out
> the whole thing…….but with the number of designs it’s not
been
> practical with my printer, which only holds about 30 sheets of
paper
> at a time.  IT’s frustrating.
>
> The
First CC I attended (CC9 in Columbia) I registered at the door,
> had
never even HEARD of the FFF.  I really think our promotion and
>
outreach has gotten better.
>
> I’ve also run the Fashion Show
(CC27 in Baltimore) and I commiserate
> with the you on contestants
dropping out at the last minute (i.e.
> the con has already
started).  It’s hard to be in constant
> communication with
entrants, and keep having to revise the show.
>
> I still
think that having it Sunday mid-day is the best alternative.
> I
preferred when the SP contest was run at the same time as the
> Fashion
Show; I understand all the reasons why people like it on a
> separate
day, but I wonder if the numbers really have shown that it
> pushes more
people to enter the Fashion Show or not.
>
> Lisa a
>

> On 04 Jun 2016 17:35:20 -0700 “casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]”
>
<runacc@yahoogroups.com>
writes:
>
>
>
> Mostly cribbing from Karen s comments
here:  She would have liked to
> have
> had more
entries.   Six people did not properly notify her they
> would
not
> be in the show.   There is a need to stress that
contestants should
> let
> the Director know well ahead of time if
they will not get their
> designs
> made.   For example,
one of the designers who reserved one of their
> own
> exclusively
backed out, but didn t inform Karen.    Someone else
>
could
> have done it.   And a maker who did not want to repeat a
design
> lost
> their opportunity because the two people who were
going to do the
> same one backed out.
>
> As usual, there
seemed to be fewer people in the audience for the
> Folio
>
show.  Do people sleep in on Sunday morning?   There s not much
that
> can
> be done to encourage more people to come to the show,
despite no
> programming opposite it.  Overall, though, Karen was
pleased with
> what she had and it ran smoothly.
>
>

> Note to FFS directors about run orders:  Put an experienced person

> at the beginning and end and then sprinkle the other experienced

> people among the first-timers.
>
>
>
>

>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
>
> ————————————
> Posted
by: <lisa58@juno.com>
>
————————————
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
>
————————————
>
> Yahoo Groups Links
>

>
>
>
>

>
————————————
> Posted by: “Nora & Bruce Mai”
<casamai@sbcglobal.net>
>
————————————
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
>
————————————
>
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>

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Group: runacc Message: 3080 From: ma0902432 Date: 6/7/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show

Hi Sharon,

Just to clarify, for me it’s not a matter of how useable to electronic
version is, I just prefer it in print and from now on am going to make
more of an effort to get it printed. It’s just a generational thing I
guess, I just prefer paper for a lot of things.

Lisa a

On Tue, 7 Jun 2016 13:36:02 -0400 “Sharon Sbarsky sbarsky@gmail.com
[runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

I’ve also been reading these threads with interest, and will probably go
back into the archives for earlier CCs. 😉 I assume that all are
available to share with our committee?

I’ve been thinking about the print/online FFF. As Aurora said, we were
looking at a special print-membership price, but mostly decided against
it because of complexity and impact on the budget. (balancing the income
and expense of print publications.)

But I’ve been wondering about electronic FFF. is the problem people have
with view the the FF online that it really isn’t optimized for a laptop,
tablet, or phone? If each design was setup so that it is easily viewable
(make larger, etc.) on someone’s phone or tablet would that be better?
Perhaps also letting the member print which ever designs they want, and
not the cost of the entire FFF.

Phone and tablet apps have been improving, and by 2019 we should be able
to get something that is better than what we’ve had until now.

Sharon

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 12:34 PM, Aurora Celeste auroraceleste@gmail.com
[runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

We had considered a print-membership price for CC37 and discarded the
idea. Perhaps we will revisit. Are there other things people would like
in print other than the folio?

~Aurora

On Monday, June 6, 2016, Andrew Trembley attrembl@bovil.com [runacc]
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

There are print-on-demand services that would make it easy for people who
want to buy a copy of the folio to do so online, and have it sent
directly to them.

The problem is I don’t know many of them that would make it easy to
restrict purchase of print folios to convention members only.

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 4:09 AM lisa58@juno.com [runacc]
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

?

Thanks Nora.

The cost info makes it more understandable. And the suggestion of
putting it on a drive and printing it at a shop makes sense too. I wish
I still had a job where I could do that!

It still seems to me, that Costume Con is not enough days for everything
we all want to pack into it!!

Lisa a

On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 13:57:25 -0500 “‘Nora & Bruce Mai’
casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

> To answer in reverse order:
> The numbers definitely support keeping the FFS away from any other
> competition. Just look at CC33 when the Portieres contest was run at
> the same time – there were 21 entries for that and only three for
> the FFS.
> The discrepancy is usually not quite that drastic (and may often
> depend on the quality of the Folio itself) but the Folio Show loses
> in any instance where the contestants have to choose between the
> Folio and any other event.
>
> As for electronic Folios versus hard-copy – it began as a matter of
> cost rather than trend. Printing & Mailing costs rose precipitously
> several years ago and the cost of the Folio became the biggest
> budget item for many CCs. Add in problems with delivering in a
> timely fashion (post production of a printed Folio is easily doubled
> by printing & mailing) and growing acceptance of electronic
> publications in the larger costuming community; you can see how
> electronic is the only feasible option going forward. As you say,
> you can always print it (many do). Given your printer limitations
> maybe it would be easier to load it on a flash drive and take it to
> your local Kinko’s (or whatever printshop is in your area).
> The savings to the concom means they can provide more in other
> areas.
>
> As an aside – did the horizontal format make it easier to browse the
> recent Folio as opposed to the past vertical formats? I was hoping
> it would make it more use-able as an electronic format.
>
> Nora M
>
> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
> Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 11:15 AM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [runacc] SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion
> Show
>
> I know that many of you running and supervising the Folio and the
> Fashion Show are about my age, maybe a bit younger, so here is my
> personal take on it. Ever since the Folio began to be put out
> completely electronically I have barely looked at it and have not
> made up any designs. I remember back when getting very excited
> about doing them, and one year, being crazy disappointed because the
> design I Wanted had already been reserved.
>
> I think my brain just does not work that way, to be able to peruse
> and compare designs on a screen. I know, I know, I could print out
> the whole thing…….but with the number of designs it’s not been
> practical with my printer, which only holds about 30 sheets of paper
> at a time. IT’s frustrating.
>
> The First CC I attended (CC9 in Columbia) I registered at the door,
> had never even HEARD of the FFF. I really think our promotion and
> outreach has gotten better.
>
> I’ve also run the Fashion Show (CC27 in Baltimore) and I commiserate
> with the you on contestants dropping out at the last minute (i.e.
> the con has already started). It’s hard to be in constant
> communication with entrants, and keep having to revise the show.
>
> I still think that having it Sunday mid-day is the best alternative.
> I preferred when the SP contest was run at the same time as the
> Fashion Show; I understand all the reasons why people like it on a
> separate day, but I wonder if the numbers really have shown that it
> pushes more people to enter the Fashion Show or not.
>
> Lisa a
>
> On 04 Jun 2016 17:35:20 -0700 “casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]”
> <runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:
>
>
>
> Mostly cribbing from Karen s comments here: She would have liked to
> have
> had more entries. Six people did not properly notify her they
> would not
> be in the show. There is a need to stress that contestants should
> let
> the Director know well ahead of time if they will not get their
> designs
> made. For example, one of the designers who reserved one of their
> own
> exclusively backed out, but didn t inform Karen. Someone else
> could
> have done it. And a maker who did not want to repeat a design
> lost
> their opportunity because the two people who were going to do the
> same one backed out.
>
> As usual, there seemed to be fewer people in the audience for the
> Folio
> show. Do people sleep in on Sunday morning? There s not much that
> can
> be done to encourage more people to come to the show, despite no
> programming opposite it. Overall, though, Karen was pleased with
> what she had and it ran smoothly.
>
>
> Note to FFS directors about run orders: Put an experienced person
> at the beginning and end and then sprinkle the other experienced
> people among the first-timers.
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ————————————
> Posted by: <lisa58@juno.com>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> ————————————
>
> Yahoo Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

> ————————————
> Posted by: “Nora & Bruce Mai” <casamai@sbcglobal.net>

> ————————————
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> ————————————
>
> Yahoo Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 3081 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/7/2016
Subject: Re: SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show

 

I also prefer paper. I recognize that’s beyond the budget of most CCs. However, I think a CC ought to be able to cost out the production and delivery of individual paper copies of the FFF — including the cost of paper, ink, staples, envelopes, labor, and postage — and charge that amount for copies to members who neither want to use an electronic version nor to print their own copies. If this service were limited to members requesting it at the time they joined the con (or requested it before s specified deadline), the con could reasonably estimate how much revenue and expenditure would be involved.

 

Byron

 

 

On Jun 7, 2016, at 5:10 PM, lisa58@juno.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Hi Sharon,

Just to clarify, for me it’s not a matter of how useable to electronic
version is, I just prefer it in print and from now on am going to make
more of an effort to get it printed. It’s just a generational thing I
guess, I just prefer paper for a lot of things.

Lisa a

On Tue, 7 Jun 2016 13:36:02 -0400 “Sharon Sbarsky sbarsky@gmail.com
[runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

I’ve also been reading these threads with interest, and will probably go
back into the archives for earlier CCs. 😉 I assume that all are
available to share with our committee?

I’ve been thinking about the print/online FFF. As Aurora said, we were
looking at a special print-membership price, but mostly decided against
it because of complexity and impact on the budget. (balancing the income
and expense of print publications.)

But I’ve been wondering about electronic FFF. is the problem people have
with view the the FF online that it really isn’t optimized for a laptop,
tablet, or phone? If each design was setup so that it is easily viewable
(make larger, etc.) on someone’s phone or tablet would that be better?
Perhaps also letting the member print which ever designs they want, and
not the cost of the entire FFF.

Phone and tablet apps have been improving, and by 2019 we should be able
to get something that is better than what we’ve had until now.

Sharon

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 12:34 PM, Aurora Celeste auroraceleste@gmail.com
[runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

We had considered a print-membership price for CC37 and discarded the
idea. Perhaps we will revisit. Are there other things people would like
in print other than the folio?

~Aurora

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3082 From: von_drago Date: 6/7/2016
Subject: CC34 Future Fashion Folio

I’m curious – what did people think of the horizontal format?

I hoped it would display better on a computer screen, any feedback?

 

Nora

 

Group: runacc Message: 3083 From: von_drago Date: 6/10/2016
Subject: Re: CC34 Future Fashion Folio

So no opinion?

 

Nora

 

Group: runacc Message: 3084 From: von_drago Date: 6/10/2016
Subject: Costume-Con “Traditions”

 

 

 

In light of recent discussions it seems like we might need
to codify some of the generally expected customs and activities that are not
specifically required in the CC ConStitution but have established themselves at
Costume-Con year after year. Not that they have to be included every year but
habitual attendees can be disappointed by things that Con-coms never knew
about. Plus it would be good to have the history of all these CC traditions.

 

 

 

 

 

Examples:

 

 

Exhibits

 

 

Dead Dog Party

 

 

Announcement Process

 

 

Guild Chapter Awards

 

 

Mousekerade

 

 

Half-time Videos

 

 

Photo Run

 

 

Doll Contest

 

 

Hospitality

 

 

 

 

 

So to aid both future Con-coms and attendees, and to
preserve this history for the Archives, we’d like to compile a list of the
non-official Costume-Con Traditions. Include everything you know – origin (year
& persons), impact, personal stories, and its demise (if applicable).

 

 

 

 

 

So what do you expect at a Costume-Con that is not outlined
in the ConStitution? Discuss.

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3085 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 6/10/2016
Subject: Re: [runacc] Costume-Con “Traditions”

Some of this is outlined in the work I did to translate the programs into the main pages for each CC. There are lists embedded where “first instance of X” are noted.

That includes things like Single Pattern, Single Item (bra, codpiece), doll contest, video masquerade, etc.
I haven’t looked closely at the work that was done after Dan forced me to step down, so I can’t say with certainty that the work was continued after I walked away.
That’s also why I put all the rules on the pages with the contest albums. That way, there’d be an easy to find way to look at the evolution of the rules from competition to competition.
I’ve been toying with the idea of moving the entire site to a blog structure, since it’s still database driven but has a much prettier form for laying out the data and can be keyworded (rules, participants, etc) a lot more elegantly than was available way back when Kevin and Andy helped set Gallery up for us.
It’s a TON of work, though, and until I finished my degree, wasn’t remotely possible.

Now that I’m done, I’m chewing on possibilities to propose to Karen for changing the structure.

I’ve also missed all the CCs since 27, and I wasn’t really there for that. What’s come since I stepped down (around 25)?
-b

 

 

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 8:40 PM, von_drago@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

In light of recent discussions it seems like we might need
to codify some of the generally expected customs and activities that are not
specifically required in the CC ConStitution but have established themselves at
Costume-Con year after year. Not that they have to be included every year but
habitual attendees can be disappointed by things that Con-coms never knew
about. Plus it would be good to have the history of all these CC traditions.

 

 

 

 

 

Examples:

 

 

Exhibits

 

 

Dead Dog Party

 

 

Announcement Process

 

 

Guild Chapter Awards

 

 

Mousekerade

 

 

Half-time Videos

 

 

Photo Run

 

 

Doll Contest

 

 

Hospitality

 

 

 

 

 

So to aid both future Con-coms and attendees, and to
preserve this history for the Archives, we’d like to compile a list of the
non-official Costume-Con Traditions. Include everything you know – origin (year
& persons), impact, personal stories, and its demise (if applicable).

 

 

 

 

 

So what do you expect at a Costume-Con that is not outlined
in the ConStitution? Discuss.

 

 

 

 

 


Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3086 From: Vicky Young Date: 6/10/2016
Subject: Re: CC34 Future Fashion Folio
Hi Nora,

Sorry, I’ve had limited Internet access for the past few days –

I personally liked the horizontal format.i find it easier to read, because vertical pages sometimes require scrolling, which makes it harder to imagine the whole thing.

Vicky



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To:

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Subject:

[runacc] Re: CC34 Future Fashion Folio

Sent:

Sat, Jun 11, 2016 12:33:33 AM

 

So no opinion?

 

Nora

 

Group: runacc Message: 3087 From: Byron P Connell Date: 6/11/2016
Subject: Re: CC34 Future Fashion Folio

 

No, no opinion. So long as I can print it easily, I don’t care which way the pages are oriented.

 

Byron

 

So no opinion?

Nora

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3088 From: Sharon Sbarsky Date: 6/11/2016
Subject: Re: [runacc] Costume-Con “Traditions”
yes, this! I would love to know what people consider “traditional” enough that there will be disappointments or complaints if they didn’t happen.
What is the Mousekerade? That either hasn’t been at any of the CCs I’ve attended, or was low enough on my radar/interest that I didn’t pay attention.

The others I’m pretty aware of, in at least one iteration.

I would also like to hear opinions on the “official video” availability and sales. Eric stated that it was a “rule” that the video *must* be available for sale *at* the CC for people to buy and go home with. But I also know that some video directors (like Syd) like to spend more time on creating the official video, including credits of crew and entrants, and make it available some time later. I couldn’t find any rule on this in the Constitution, but what is expected?

Sharon

 

 

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 8:40 PM, von_drago@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

In light of recent discussions it seems like we might need
to codify some of the generally expected customs and activities that are not
specifically required in the CC ConStitution but have established themselves at
Costume-Con year after year. Not that they have to be included every year but
habitual attendees can be disappointed by things that Con-coms never knew
about. Plus it would be good to have the history of all these CC traditions.

 

 

 

 

 

Examples:

 

 

Exhibits

 

 

Dead Dog Party

 

 

Announcement Process

 

 

Guild Chapter Awards

 

 

Mousekerade

 

 

Half-time Videos

 

 

Photo Run

 

 

Doll Contest

 

 

Hospitality

 

 

 

 

 

So to aid both future Con-coms and attendees, and to
preserve this history for the Archives, we’d like to compile a list of the
non-official Costume-Con Traditions. Include everything you know – origin (year
& persons), impact, personal stories, and its demise (if applicable).

 

 

 

 

 

So what do you expect at a Costume-Con that is not outlined
in the ConStitution? Discuss.

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3089 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 6/11/2016
Subject: Re: [runacc] Costume-Con “Traditions”

Mousekerade is silly fun at the Dead Dog.  People bring a stuffed animal and costume it with stuff they find at the convention, then have a silly-as-possible thing.  Bonus points if the judges have been drinking.  At CC27 we had lots of drinks and deliberated in a closet.  Literally.  Lots of fun.

On Saturday, June 11, 2016, Sharon Sbarsky sbarsky@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

yes, this! I would love to know what people consider “traditional” enough that there will be disappointments or complaints if they didn’t happen.
What is the Mousekerade? That either hasn’t been at any of the CCs I’ve attended, or was low enough on my radar/interest that I didn’t pay attention.

The others I’m pretty aware of, in at least one iteration.

I would also like to hear opinions on the “official video” availability and sales. Eric stated that it was a “rule” that the video *must* be available for sale *at* the CC for people to buy and go home with. But I also know that some video directors (like Syd) like to spend more time on creating the official video, including credits of crew and entrants, and make it available some time later. I couldn’t find any rule on this in the Constitution, but what is expected?

Sharon

 

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 8:40 PM, von_drago@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

In light of recent discussions it seems like we might need
to codify some of the generally expected customs and activities that are not
specifically required in the CC ConStitution but have established themselves at
Costume-Con year after year. Not that they have to be included every year but
habitual attendees can be disappointed by things that Con-coms never knew
about. Plus it would be good to have the history of all these CC traditions.

 

 

 

 

 

Examples:

 

 

Exhibits

 

 

Dead Dog Party

 

 

Announcement Process

 

 

Guild Chapter Awards

 

 

Mousekerade

 

 

Half-time Videos

 

 

Photo Run

 

 

Doll Contest

 

 

Hospitality

 

 

 

 

 

So to aid both future Con-coms and attendees, and to
preserve this history for the Archives, we’d like to compile a list of the
non-official Costume-Con Traditions. Include everything you know – origin (year
& persons), impact, personal stories, and its demise (if applicable).

 

 

 

 

 

So what do you expect at a Costume-Con that is not outlined
in the ConStitution? Discuss.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3090 From: von_drago Date: 6/11/2016
Subject: Re: [runacc] Costume-Con “Traditions”

Mousekerade Origin – CC16; one of the vendors had a rack of Folkmanis hand puppets including white mice. Some folks used stuffies they had brought with them. Drinking may have been involved 🙂

I know it was done at 25 & 27 – what other years had a Mousekerade?

 

Nora

 

Group: runacc Message: 3091 From: von_drago Date: 6/11/2016
Subject: Re: [runacc] Costume-Con “Traditions”

We definitely want things not on that list – those are just some examples and there are plenty more.

 

Nora

 

Group: runacc Message: 3092 From: Byron P Connell Date: 6/11/2016
Subject: Re: [runacc] Costume-Con “Traditions”

 

The absence of mousekerade would not cause me grief. However, if others want it, the dead dog probably is a good place for it.

 

Byron

 

Mousekerade is silly fun at the Dead Dog.  People bring a stuffed animal and costume it with stuff they find at the convention, then have a silly-as-possible thing.  Bonus points if the judges have been drinking.  At CC27 we had lots of drinks and deliberated in a closet.  Literally.  Lots of fun.

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3093 From: ma0902432 Date: 6/12/2016
Subject: Re: Costume-Con “Traditions”
Although one thing I know we all want to be careful of is MORE contests,
I really enjoyed the Quilt contest. I started it at CC27, in memory of
Bobby Gear, who was a grand quilter and taught me a lot about quilting.
It hasn’t been seen EVERY year since, but most, I know we had it last
year at CC33 in Charleston and it was memorable. Those of us who quilt
regularly, usually have one or two things enter once the County Fairs,
etc are done. And I know I’ve met a few folks who specifically made
their first quilt to enter at CC, plus it’s always interesting if the con
has a special category.

Lisa a

On 10 Jun 2016 17:40:43 -0700 “von_drago@yahoo.com [runacc]”
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

In light of recent discussions it seems like we might need to codify some
of the generally expected customs and activities that are not
specifically required in the CC ConStitution but have established
themselves at Costume-Con year after year. Not that they have to be
included every year but habitual attendees can be disappointed by things
that Con-coms never knew about. Plus it would be good to have the history
of all these CC traditions.

Examples:
Exhibits
Dead Dog Party
Announcement Process
Guild Chapter Awards
Mousekerade
Half-time Videos
Photo Run
Doll Contest
Hospitality

So to aid both future Con-coms and attendees, and to preserve this
history for the Archives, we�d like to compile a list of the non-official
Costume-Con Traditions. Include everything you know � origin (year &
persons), impact, personal stories, and its demise (if applicable).

So what do you expect at a Costume-Con that is not outlined in the
ConStitution? Discuss.

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Group: runacc Message: 3094 From: ma0902432 Date: 6/12/2016
Subject: Re: Re: [runacc] Costume-Con “Traditions”
Most attendees, esp that masquerade participants, think it’s AWESOME if
the videos are available to buy at the con itself. I love Syd, and I
understand wanting to spend more time editing it, but what seems to
happen most times is that it “gets lost” and folks who wanted a video
record of what they did never get it. It might be months later, or in
some cases over a year later, that the video gets produced, and a lot of
times, alerts or notices that it’s finally available don’t get directed
to the people who most want to know.

The Dead Dog Party Mon. evvening, while not set in stone, has been a nice
time at other CC’s in the past. USually it wasn’t much more than having
the con suite, or some larger space, available with seating (comfortable
chairs!) so that people can wander in and out, talk to people, and show
off the cool fabric they bought on Monday outings, and the rest of us can
“ooh” and “aaah” over it. HAving Archives video playing is nice–having
Masquerade video from the Con is nice. Even slide shows of costumes past
is nice. Food and drinks are nice. The Mouskerade was some people
dressing up some stuffed animals in costumes, I personally was never into
it, but people seemed to enjoy it. My feeling is that by Monday night,
I’ve had enough competition for the while. It should be relaxing. The
past con, and I think at least one or two recently, there didn’t seem to
be any real plan for Monday night.

Lisa a

On Sat, 11 Jun 2016 11:44:35 -0400 “Sharon Sbarsky sbarsky@gmail.com
[runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

yes, this! I would love to know what people consider “traditional” enough
that there will be disappointments or complaints if they didn’t happen.

What is the Mousekerade? That either hasn’t been at any of the CCs I’ve
attended, or was low enough on my radar/interest that I didn’t pay
attention.

The others I’m pretty aware of, in at least one iteration.

I would also like to hear opinions on the “official video” availability
and sales. Eric stated that it was a “rule” that the video *must* be
available for sale *at* the CC for people to buy and go home with. But I
also know that some video directors (like Syd) like to spend more time on
creating the official video, including credits of crew and entrants, and
make it available some time later. I couldn’t find any rule on this in
the Constitution, but what is expected?

Sharon

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 8:40 PM, von_drago@yahoo.com [runacc]
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

In light of recent discussions it seems like we might need to codify some
of the generally expected customs and activities that are not
specifically required in the CC ConStitution but have established
themselves at Costume-Con year after year. Not that they have to be
included every year but habitual attendees can be disappointed by things
that Con-coms never knew about. Plus it would be good to have the history
of all these CC traditions.

Examples:
Exhibits
Dead Dog Party
Announcement Process
Guild Chapter Awards
Mousekerade
Half-time Videos
Photo Run
Doll Contest
Hospitality

So to aid both future Con-coms and attendees, and to preserve this
history for the Archives, we�d like to compile a list of the non-official
Costume-Con Traditions. Include everything you know � origin (year &
persons), impact, personal stories, and its demise (if applicable).

So what do you expect at a Costume-Con that is not outlined in the
ConStitution? Discuss.

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Group: runacc Message: 3095 From: ma0902432 Date: 6/12/2016
Subject: Re: Re: [runacc] Costume-Con “Traditions”
Bobby Gear Memorial Quilt contest, great to have at least one themed
award

Ribbons and certificates

I recall a few years that had a Victorian pool party

Hall costumes, special themes are great, like a convention ‘motif’,
special contests for each day, if well-publicized, have been fun, group
hall costumes

An afternoon Tea could be great–there have been a few on Sunday
afternoons in the past, perhaps a Monday afternoon/evening Tea could work

Exhibits: I personally LOVE the chance to get see some fantastic older
costumes up close, exhibits are great when you can actually WALK AROUND
the whole costume, and get a closer look at props

Costumer Retrospectives: I don’t remember the exact con they started, it
had been done a couple times by CC27, when I was invited to give one. I
can’t say enough how much I love these. It gives you a real chance to
get inside a costumer’s head and understand better how they think while
costuming, what their creative process is. I’d like it to become a
tradition of 1 or 2 costumers at every CC, can be chosen by the Con Chair
and Committee.

The Archives giving the Half-time entertainment at least during the F&SF
Masquerade–may not be an official “tradition” yet, but it is always
entertaining, and gives us a better understanding and appreciation of our
art form

Lisa a

On 11 Jun 2016 13:58:24 -0700 “von_drago@yahoo.com [runacc]”
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

We definitely want things not on that list – those are just some examples
and there are plenty more.

Nora

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Group: runacc Message: 3096 From: spiritof_76 Date: 6/12/2016
Subject: Re: CC34 Future Fashion Folio

I didn’t see it. However, I can see how a landscape format would lend
itself to having a design on one side and the text on the other. It
would also display well on computer screens or when projected.

Michael

On 2016-06-10 21:05, Byron P Connell byronpconnell@gmail.com [runacc]
wrote:

> No, no opinion. So long as I can print it easily, I don’t care which
> way the pages are oriented.
>
> Byron
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 3097 From: ECM Date: 6/14/2016
Subject: Re: CC34 Future Fashion Folio

 

Still no better for me.
Elaine


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 17:33:33 -0700
Subject: [runacc] Re: CC34 Future Fashion Folio

 

So no opinion?

Nora

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3098 From: ECM Date: 6/14/2016
Subject: RE: [runacc] Costume-Con “Traditions”

 

IMHO, Hospitality is a given for any con.  Ours just happens to be more formal than most, and replaces all those individual room parties.
CC5 began the chapter awards, when Kevin got the first Spazzy for his Hall Costume.  Thus are traditions begun.
Everything else, I feel, belongs to the individual con-coms to include or not.
Elaine


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 11:44:35 -0400
Subject: Re: [runacc] Costume-Con “Traditions”

 

yes, this! I would love to know what people consider “traditional” enough that there will be disappointments or complaints if they didn’t happen.
What is the Mousekerade? That either hasn’t been at any of the CCs I’ve attended, or was low enough on my radar/interest that I didn’t pay attention.

The others I’m pretty aware of, in at least one iteration.

I would also like to hear opinions on the “official video” availability and sales. Eric stated that it was a “rule” that the video *must* be available for sale *at* the CC for people to buy and go home with. But I also know that some video directors (like Syd) like to spend more time on creating the official video, including credits of crew and entrants, and make it available some time later. I couldn’t find any rule on this in the Constitution, but what is expected?

Sharon

 

 

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 8:40 PM, von_drago@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

In light of recent discussions it seems like we might need
to codify some of the generally expected customs and activities that are not
specifically required in the CC ConStitution but have established themselves at
Costume-Con year after year. Not that they have to be included every year but
habitual attendees can be disappointed by things that Con-coms never knew
about. Plus it would be good to have the history of all these CC traditions.

 

Examples:

Exhibits

Dead Dog Party

Announcement Process

Guild Chapter Awards

Mousekerade

Half-time Videos

Photo Run

Doll Contest

Hospitality

 

So to aid both future Con-coms and attendees, and to
preserve this history for the Archives, we’d like to compile a list of the
non-official Costume-Con Traditions. Include everything you know – origin (year
& persons), impact, personal stories, and its demise (if applicable).

 

So what do you expect at a Costume-Con that is not outlined
in the ConStitution? Discuss.

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3099 From: ECM Date: 6/14/2016
Subject: RE: [runacc] Costume-Con “Traditions”

 

IMHO, Hospitality is a given for any con.  Ours just happens to be more formal than most, and replaces all those individual room parties.
CC5 began the chapter awards, when Kevin got the first Spazzy for his Hall Costume.  Thus are traditions begun.
Everything else, I feel, belongs to the individual con-coms to include or not.
Elaine


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 11:44:35 -0400
Subject: Re: [runacc] Costume-Con “Traditions”

 

yes, this! I would love to know what people consider “traditional” enough that there will be disappointments or complaints if they didn’t happen.
What is the Mousekerade? That either hasn’t been at any of the CCs I’ve attended, or was low enough on my radar/interest that I didn’t pay attention.

The others I’m pretty aware of, in at least one iteration.

I would also like to hear opinions on the “official video” availability and sales. Eric stated that it was a “rule” that the video *must* be available for sale *at* the CC for people to buy and go home with. But I also know that some video directors (like Syd) like to spend more time on creating the official video, including credits of crew and entrants, and make it available some time later. I couldn’t find any rule on this in the Constitution, but what is expected?

Sharon

 

 

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 8:40 PM, von_drago@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

In light of recent discussions it seems like we might need
to codify some of the generally expected customs and activities that are not
specifically required in the CC ConStitution but have established themselves at
Costume-Con year after year. Not that they have to be included every year but
habitual attendees can be disappointed by things that Con-coms never knew
about. Plus it would be good to have the history of all these CC traditions.

 

Examples:

Exhibits

Dead Dog Party

Announcement Process

Guild Chapter Awards

Mousekerade

Half-time Videos

Photo Run

Doll Contest

Hospitality

 

So to aid both future Con-coms and attendees, and to
preserve this history for the Archives, we’d like to compile a list of the
non-official Costume-Con Traditions. Include everything you know – origin (year
& persons), impact, personal stories, and its demise (if applicable).

 

So what do you expect at a Costume-Con that is not outlined
in the ConStitution? Discuss.

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3100 From: Trudy Leonard Date: 6/16/2016
Subject: Re: [runacc] Costume-Con “Traditions”

 

Maybe at 17? I remember judging one with Pierre and Sandy, not too long after the original.

 

Trudy

 


From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of von_drago@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 4:57 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Costume-Con “Traditions”

 

Mousekerade Origin – CC16; one of the vendors had a rack of Folkmanis hand puppets including white mice. Some folks used stuffies they had brought with them. Drinking may have been involved 🙂

I know it was done at 25 & 27 – what other years had a Mousekerade?

 

Nora

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3101 From: costumrs Date: 6/16/2016
Subject: Re: Costume-Con “Traditions”

 

This may have been said before, but I think one of the “must-haves” (so long as it doesn’t break the bank) is a dead dog party, at least something for people to do Monday afternoon/evening. I’ve really missed it the last two years.
My opinion only.
Sandy
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From: “Trudy Leonard georgialei@hotmail.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 6/16/16 12:37 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Costume-Con “Traditions”

 

Maybe at 17? I remember judging one with Pierre and Sandy, not too long after the original.

 

Trudy

 


From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of von_drago@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 4:57 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Costume-Con “Traditions”

 

Mousekerade Origin – CC16; one of the vendors had a rack of Folkmanis hand puppets including white mice. Some folks used stuffies they had brought with them. Drinking may have been involved 🙂

I know it was done at 25 & 27 – what other years had a Mousekerade?

 

Nora

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3102 From: Kevin Roche Date: 6/16/2016
Subject: Re: [runacc] Costume-Con “Traditions”

26 had a mousekerade

On Thursday, June 16, 2016, costumrs costumrs@radiks.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

This may have been said before, but I think one of the “must-haves” (so long as it doesn’t break the bank) is a dead dog party, at least something for people to do Monday afternoon/evening. I’ve really missed it the last two years.
My opinion only.
Sandy
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From: “Trudy Leonard georgialei@hotmail.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 6/16/16 12:37 AM (GMT-06:00)
Subject: Re: [runacc] Costume-Con “Traditions”

 

Maybe at 17? I remember judging one with Pierre and Sandy, not too long after the original.

 

Trudy

 


From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of von_drago@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 4:57 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Costume-Con “Traditions”

 

Mousekerade Origin – CC16; one of the vendors had a rack of Folkmanis hand puppets including white mice. Some folks used stuffies they had brought with them. Drinking may have been involved 🙂

I know it was done at 25 & 27 – what other years had a Mousekerade?

 

Nora

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3103 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/18/2016
Subject: Fwd: [SLCG-X] SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Green Room

 

I intended this to be part of the SLCG review of CC 34; however, it did not get done in time. I hope it is useful.

 

Byron Connell
CC 34 Green Room Manager

 

 

 

Begin forwarded message:

 

From: Byron Connell <byronpconnell@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [SLCG-X] SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Green Room
Date: June 3, 2016 at 7:22:55 PM EDT

 

First, kudos to the con for providing a space for the green room that was (1) large, (2) clear of obstructions (such as columns) and without alcoves, (3) convenient to the stage, (4) well lighted, (5) equipped with enough chairs and tables, and (6) not used for any other purpose during the con. The green room crew’s ability to have access to the room at any time made our jobs a lot easier. The live video feed made it simple for me to cue dens to line up and go to the stage. The accompanying sound was quite poor; however, I don’t need good sound in order to do this. Future concoms would do well to do likewise.

One of the standard problems at a CC is staffing the green room, because so many members enter multiple shows. In this case, between volunteers seeking me out . . . , my recruits, and members signing up at the staff office, there were enough staff for the SF&F and Historical masquerades, if not a generous number. That was less true for the FFF and not true at all for the SPC. In both shows, however, I was expecting less chaos and a simpler format since these ran as fashion shows, not masquerades. In particular, I did not have any staff for the SPG, nor did I expect to do so since it was on the first night of the con during the Friday Night Social. I was caught by surprise by the number of entrants in the SPC but simply arranged two dens of a dozen chairs each to accommodate them.
The location of the official photographer, just off the green room, was reasonably convenient and den moms were able to shoo their entrants into lines for photography fairly easily. The workmanship judges were at the far end of the room. Because lines for judging moved slowly, seating for those on line (who could sit down in their costumes) was used.
When I saw the green room for the first time, chairs were arranged theater style. I began to strike them into either den semicircles or stacks against the walls. However, it wasn’t until after the SF&F that the last of the theater style seating was moved (by hotel staff).
The snacks and drinks available in the green room were catered by the hotel. What we got was what the con could afford. I don’t know what the con’s budget for green room food was; however, for Chicon 7’s single masquerade green room, the food cost over $2,400. You get what you pay for and the con was not paying for dinner. The budget covered 4 green rooms. We specified the stuff we didn’t want (sticky, likely to smear on costumes, no peanuts, and so forth) and that we were looking for stuff to give entrants a quick energy boost. What we got was bowls of candy, popcorn, and similar finger foods, and canned beverages. Future concoms need to keep in mind the cost of catering by the venue and plan accordingly.
Tina reported that the repair table was quite busy at times, however, we were able to meet everybody’s needs. The mirrors provided by the con were used regularly. They also are a feature that future concoms should provide.
My big screw-up was in the SF&F, where I used what I mistakenly believed was the running order to set up the dens. The list appeared to be in running order, with alphabetic designators beginning with “a” and going through the alphabet. It was about an hour and a half after the room opened that I received the true running order and realized the magnitude of my mistake. It was necessary to hurriedly re-arrange the entrants and their dens, pull some early numbers from the judging line and move others to the front of the line. However, wew were able to do so without disrupting the start of the show.
Apparently, what I was given initially was the list of entries as they had been logged in at registration. What confused me was the alphabetic designators for each entry. I can only suggest in the strongest terms that future concoms using registration programs that assign such designators keep the designators private for the MD and registration staff and do not let them appear on any lists disseminated to other staff.
In comparison to the SF&F running order, I was given the Historical masquerade running order at about 9:30 Sunday morning, in the FFF green room. Many thanks to the MD for doing this. It allowed me to determine how many dens I needed and how many chairs to put in each den, and to reserve the final den for the 17-member entry. I even had time to prepare 3×5 cards for each entry as a check-in aid for me and the den moms.
Byron

 

On May 26, 2016, at 10:05 PM, Dave Kanoy davekanoy@sbcglobal.net [SLCG-X] <SLCG-X@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

As I recall, the dens weren’t arranged by entry number, but rather by the order they signed up for the masquerade.  This caused some chaotic movement in the green room and a bit of calling of entrants so they could line up.
Green room was well stocked with water and snacks.  The emergency repair table was called on once by the entry I was ninja-ing for and they had what we needed, so good on ’em.  There seemed to be plenty of room, until the drow queen started getting into her contraption.  Then things got big and crowded.
Later,
Dave Kanoy


On Wednesday, May 25, 2016 11:16 PM, “casamai@sbcglobal.net [SLCG-X]” <SLCG-X@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



 

Byron?   Take it away.   Anybody else have a comment about the Green Room?