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Group: runacc Message: 2351 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 9/18/2011
Subject: Re: A different kind of CC promotion idea
Group: runacc Message: 2352 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 9/18/2011
Subject: Re: A different kind of CC promotion idea
Group: runacc Message: 2353 From: Martin Gear Date: 9/18/2011
Subject: Re: A different kind of CC promotion idea
Group: runacc Message: 2354 From: Kaijugal . Date: 9/18/2011
Subject: Re: A different kind of CC promotion idea
Group: runacc Message: 2355 From: Martin Gear Date: 9/18/2011
Subject: Re: A different kind of CC promotion idea
Group: runacc Message: 2356 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 9/20/2011
Subject: Programming
Group: runacc Message: 2358 From: cgalway@xmission.com Date: 10/12/2011
Subject: Re: (unknown)
Group: runacc Message: 2359 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 10/13/2011
Subject: Re: Digest Number 625
Group: runacc Message: 2360 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 10/13/2011
Subject: Re: Digest Number 625
Group: runacc Message: 2361 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 11/1/2011
Subject: Problems we don’t think we have…
Group: runacc Message: 2362 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 11/1/2011
Subject: Re: Problems we don’t think we have…
Group: runacc Message: 2363 From: Byron Connell Date: 11/1/2011
Subject: Re: Problems we don’t think we have…
Group: runacc Message: 2364 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 11/1/2011
Subject: Re: Problems we don’t think we have…
Group: runacc Message: 2365 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 11/22/2011
Subject: Uh Oh
Group: runacc Message: 2366 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 11/22/2011
Subject: Never mind
Group: runacc Message: 2367 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 12/27/2011
Subject: CC Runway sign-up opens in ONE WEEK!
Group: runacc Message: 2368 From: Elaine Mami Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: updates, please
Group: runacc Message: 2369 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 2/3/2012
Subject: Re: Digest Number 630
Group: runacc Message: 2370 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 2/3/2012
Subject: Re: Digest Number 630
Group: runacc Message: 2371 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair Date: 2/4/2012
Subject: Re: Digest Number 630
Group: runacc Message: 2372 From: Kevin Roche Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Re: updates, please
Group: runacc Message: 2373 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 2/7/2012
Subject: Re: updates, please
Group: runacc Message: 2374 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: Re: updates, please
Group: runacc Message: 2375 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: Re: updates, please
Group: runacc Message: 2376 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 2/19/2012
Subject: CC promo video on line
Group: runacc Message: 2377 From: Michael Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: CC ConCom responsibilities
Group: runacc Message: 2378 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: CC ConCom responsibilities
Group: runacc Message: 2379 From: Martin Gear Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: CC ConCom responsibilities
Group: runacc Message: 2380 From: Kevin Roche Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: CC ConCom responsibilities
Group: runacc Message: 2381 From: Margie Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: CC ConCom responsibilities
Group: runacc Message: 2382 From: Byron Connell Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: CC ConCom responsibilities
Group: runacc Message: 2383 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: CC ConCom responsibilities
Group: runacc Message: 2384 From: Byron Connell Date: 3/28/2012
Subject: Re: CC ConCom responsibilities
Group: runacc Message: 2385 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Re: CC ConCom responsibilities
Group: runacc Message: 2386 From: Kaijugal . Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: CC ConCom responsibilities
Group: runacc Message: 2387 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: CC ConCom responsibilities
Group: runacc Message: 2388 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 5/29/2012
Subject: Fwd: [ICG-D] CON Runners’ Guide: Working with Masquerade Photographe
Group: runacc Message: 2389 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/31/2012
Subject: SLCG CC30 Review on the way
Group: runacc Message: 2390 From: Bruce Date: 6/4/2012
Subject: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Opening Remarks
Group: runacc Message: 2391 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/5/2012
Subject: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Hotel and Registration
Group: runacc Message: 2392 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/5/2012
Subject: Re: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Hotel and Registration
Group: runacc Message: 2393 From: Bruce Date: 6/5/2012
Subject: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Program Book
Group: runacc Message: 2394 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/7/2012
Subject: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 2395 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/7/2012
Subject: Re: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 2396 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/8/2012
Subject: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Exhibits
Group: runacc Message: 2397 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/8/2012
Subject: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: The Ribbon Project
Group: runacc Message: 2398 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/8/2012
Subject: Costume-Con Review – Runacc: Panel Programming
Group: runacc Message: 2399 From: lisa58@juno.com Date: 6/8/2012
Subject: Re: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Exhibits
Group: runacc Message: 2400 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/8/2012
Subject: Re: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Exhibits
Group: runacc Message: 2401 From: Lisa Ashton Date: 6/8/2012
Subject: Re: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Exhibits

 


 

Group: runacc Message: 2351 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 9/18/2011
Subject: Re: A different kind of CC promotion idea
No reason why that can’t be done, either included in the thing I’m working
on or as a separate project.Bruce

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From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 2:09 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] A different kind of CC promotion idea

Or, (shameless plug) make CC promotion a special category in the Video
masquerade/Film Festival

Kevin

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Group: runacc Message: 2352 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 9/18/2011
Subject: Re: A different kind of CC promotion idea
This is a little different approach than what Carl’s done. Lots of fast
editing, etc.Bruce

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From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Elaine Mami
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 3:41 PM
To: Betsy D
Subject: RE: [runacc] A different kind of CC promotion idea

Bruce,

As I’m sure you’ve noticed, Carl always shot the entire stage. It’s really
the only way to get the whole “message” of a costume entry cross.

Elaine
Nil significat nisi oscillat!

4. The best way to see to get the kinds of shots needed, other than taking
people outside, might be to have a stage(d) approach instead. In other
words, shoot everything on stage. Not the most exciting background, but
some of that could be overcome by direction and camera angles. I’m sure
there are plenty of videos of, oh, say, fashion shows that could give cues
as to how to shoot. Maybe there are some anime con vids out there that do
that – I haven’t seen enough to really know, yet. I have an idea in my
head of one way to shoot a vid like this, but it would help to know what
people are bringing, ahead of time. But, it could also work through
creative improvisation, too. Kind of an interactive photo line, where each
entry briefly acknowledges the other as they enter or exit the stage.

Thoughts?

Bruce

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Group: runacc Message: 2353 From: Martin Gear Date: 9/18/2011
Subject: Re: A different kind of CC promotion idea

Bruce-
Re the “static staged shots”:
The official photographer at North American Disc World this year took
pictures in front of a “green screen” and then filled the background in
with an appropriate graphic. How difficult with that be to do with
video? Also I may have contact information for you for someone who does
original music for internet radio plays if the person that you are
talking with doesn’t work out.
Marty

On 9/17/2011 4:06 PM, Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:
>
> Aurora:
>
> I’ve had some identical ideas to those you’ve mentioned. I’m gearing up
> some of them now. My background from many, many years ago was in
> broadcasting. So this kind of work is up my alley. I’ll be doing a lot of
> productions in the next few years once I’ve got the majority of Archive
> material ripped out to usable clips, but I’m open to more ideas and
> willing
> to work with you on something. I’m already working on a informative promo
> for CC30, a special retrospective to be shown (hopefully) before the
> SF masq
> and a few other things for the future.
>
> If the music sources Dawn and Aurora have mentioned are any indicator,
> then
> there’s plenty of opportunity, although I wouldn’t even know where to
> start
> on that score. I got a note back from the guy who did the DC vid, and he
> acknowledged there’s not copyright protection. But, not surprisingly, when
> you’re a low-traffic poster, you’re under the radar pretty much, and I
> believe the first step is when a company complains to Youtube, they
> take you
> down. <Shrug>. With my Archive work so far, I’m relying on royalty-free
> music from a site that I donate money to. The guy also does commissions on
> a sliding scale. I don’t know if he can put out the kind of music in the
> anime vids or not, but I’m sure he’d give it a go.
>
> As to the wider discussion of promotion, here’s more grist for the mill in
> regards to music videos:
>
> 1. I think the audience target would be somewhat different, since our
> community is made up of all ages. First question would be: Are we (the
> community) “hip” enough, since this still would be targeted towards a
> young(ish) online “market”? We have a good number of younger
> costumers, and
> are attracting more, but there are a lot of us baby-boomers.
>
> 2. The approach would have to be somewhat different, because many costumes
> at CC are of original design. That would affect the music choice,
> certainly. And, the biggest appeal to those who consume the vids is
> identifying their favorite characters brought to life. So we would have to
> figure out how to “glamorize” (for lack of a better term) our
> costumers in a
> way so that they have their own appeal. I like how, in the vid I posted,
> there’s a little interaction between characters – the Harry Potter
> group is
> a prime example. Most times, production is more like video portraits,
> though. I would think our folks would need to do a little more shtick,
> rather than be static.
>
> 3. I just wrote that vid guy back, questioning how he corrals that many
> people for a shoot. Knowing how notoriously difficult it is to herd
> costumer “cats”, nailing people down could be extraordinarily difficult.
>
> 4. The best way to see to get the kinds of shots needed, other than taking
> people outside, might be to have a stage(d) approach instead. In other
> words, shoot everything on stage. Not the most exciting background, but
> some of that could be overcome by direction and camera angles. I’m sure
> there are plenty of videos of, oh, say, fashion shows that could give cues
> as to how to shoot. Maybe there are some anime con vids out there that do
> that – I haven’t seen enough to really know, yet. I have an idea in my
> head of one way to shoot a vid like this, but it would help to know what
> people are bringing, ahead of time. But, it could also work through
> creative improvisation, too. Kind of an interactive photo line, where each
> entry briefly acknowledges the other as they enter or exit the stage.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Bruce
>
> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>] On
> Behalf Of
> Aurora Celeste
> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 10:12 PM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [runacc] A different kind of CC promotion idea
>
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Nora & Bruce Mai
> <casamai@sbcglobal.net <mailto:casamai%40sbcglobal.net>>wrote:
>
> >
> I don’t think it would hurt. It may not work as well if it doesn’t have at
> least a few easily recognizable characters in it, though. That said, I
> love
> the two examples posted, although they both had some skin-tastic costumes
> they seemed to focus on costumes and faces and not T&A.
>
> I have seriously toyed with filming a series of informative shorts at a
> costume con one of these years to be kinda like a video Q&A for all the
> unique things about a Costume Con: This is the Historical Masquerade, This
> is the Future Fashion Show, etc. If I did that I’d also really try to do a
> short retrospective on some CC history, ICG History, and
> memories/recollections of costumers past for retrospectives. I think both
> would be really worthwhile.
>
> If I had a camera . . . and time 😛
>
> I don’t think copyrighted music would be as big of a problem, there are
> plenty of fandom-friendly bands we could hit up.
>
> te: 09/15/11
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2354 From: Kaijugal . Date: 9/18/2011
Subject: Re: A different kind of CC promotion idea

You can do it on a MAC computer with iMovie:

http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Greenscreen-on-a-Mac-using-iMovie

~Dawn

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: MartinGear@comcast.net
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 16:24:49 -0400
Subject: Re: [runacc] A different kind of CC promotion idea

Bruce-

Re the “static staged shots”:

The official photographer at North American Disc World this year took

pictures in front of a “green screen” and then filled the background in

with an appropriate graphic. How difficult with that be to do with

video? Also I may have contact information for you for someone who does

original music for internet radio plays if the person that you are

talking with doesn’t work out.

Marty

On 9/17/2011 4:06 PM, Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:

>

> Aurora:

>

> I’ve had some identical ideas to those you’ve mentioned. I’m gearing up

> some of them now. My background from many, many years ago was in

> broadcasting. So this kind of work is up my alley. I’ll be doing a lot of

> productions in the next few years once I’ve got the majority of Archive

> material ripped out to usable clips, but I’m open to more ideas and

> willing

> to work with you on something. I’m already working on a informative promo

> for CC30, a special retrospective to be shown (hopefully) before the

> SF masq

> and a few other things for the future.

>

> If the music sources Dawn and Aurora have mentioned are any indicator,

> then

> there’s plenty of opportunity, although I wouldn’t even know where to

> start

> on that score. I got a note back from the guy who did the DC vid, and he

> acknowledged there’s not copyright protection. But, not surprisingly, when

> you’re a low-traffic poster, you’re under the radar pretty much, and I

> believe the first step is when a company complains to Youtube, they

> take you

> down. <Shrug>. With my Archive work so far, I’m relying on royalty-free

> music from a site that I donate money to. The guy also does commissions on

> a sliding scale. I don’t know if he can put out the kind of music in the

> anime vids or not, but I’m sure he’d give it a go.

>

> As to the wider discussion of promotion, here’s more grist for the mill in

> regards to music videos:

>

> 1. I think the audience target would be somewhat different, since our

> community is made up of all ages. First question would be: Are we (the

> community) “hip” enough, since this still would be targeted towards a

> young(ish) online “market”? We have a good number of younger

> costumers, and

> are attracting more, but there are a lot of us baby-boomers.

>

> 2. The approach would have to be somewhat different, because many costumes

> at CC are of original design. That would affect the music choice,

> certainly. And, the biggest appeal to those who consume the vids is

> identifying their favorite characters brought to life. So we would have to

> figure out how to “glamorize” (for lack of a better term) our

> costumers in a

> way so that they have their own appeal. I like how, in the vid I posted,

> there’s a little interaction between characters – the Harry Potter

> group is

> a prime example. Most times, production is more like video portraits,

> though. I would think our folks would need to do a little more shtick,

> rather than be static.

>

> 3. I just wrote that vid guy back, questioning how he corrals that many

> people for a shoot. Knowing how notoriously difficult it is to herd

> costumer “cats”, nailing people down could be extraordinarily difficult.

>

> 4. The best way to see to get the kinds of shots needed, other than taking

> people outside, might be to have a stage(d) approach instead. In other

> words, shoot everything on stage. Not the most exciting background, but

> some of that could be overcome by direction and camera angles. I’m sure

> there are plenty of videos of, oh, say, fashion shows that could give cues

> as to how to shoot. Maybe there are some anime con vids out there that do

> that – I haven’t seen enough to really know, yet. I have an idea in my

> head of one way to shoot a vid like this, but it would help to know what

> people are bringing, ahead of time. But, it could also work through

> creative improvisation, too. Kind of an interactive photo line, where each

> entry briefly acknowledges the other as they enter or exit the stage.

>

> Thoughts?

>

> Bruce

>

> —–Original Message—–

> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>

> [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>] On

> Behalf Of

> Aurora Celeste

> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 10:12 PM

> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>

> Subject: Re: [runacc] A different kind of CC promotion idea

>

> On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Nora & Bruce Mai

> <casamai@sbcglobal.net <mailto:casamai%40sbcglobal.net>>wrote:

>

> >

> I don’t think it would hurt. It may not work as well if it doesn’t have at

> least a few easily recognizable characters in it, though. That said, I

> love

> the two examples posted, although they both had some skin-tastic costumes

> they seemed to focus on costumes and faces and not T&A.

>

> I have seriously toyed with filming a series of informative shorts at a

> costume con one of these years to be kinda like a video Q&A for all the

> unique things about a Costume Con: This is the Historical Masquerade, This

> is the Future Fashion Show, etc. If I did that I’d also really try to do a

> short retrospective on some CC history, ICG History, and

> memories/recollections of costumers past for retrospectives. I think both

> would be really worthwhile.

>

> If I had a camera . . . and time 😛

>

> I don’t think copyrighted music would be as big of a problem, there are

> plenty of fandom-friendly bands we could hit up.

>

> te: 09/15/11

>

>

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Group: runacc Message: 2355 From: Martin Gear Date: 9/18/2011
Subject: Re: A different kind of CC promotion idea
Dawn –
Who is this “Mac” of whom you speak?Marty
(Who knows about chroma key, but doesn’t speak either “Mac” or the “V”
word.)

 

Group: runacc Message: 2356 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 9/20/2011
Subject: Programming
Because I always love to start a good fight by speaking my mind I’ve
recently reposted an essay on my journal about what’s wrong with con
programming and how to fix it. Feel free to comment there or here, I’d love
feedback.http://auroraceleste.livejournal.com/301671.html

~Aurora

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Group: runacc Message: 2358 From: cgalway@xmission.com Date: 10/12/2011
Subject: Re: (unknown)

Quoting Dora Buck <dfaybuck@yahoo.com>:


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So,is this one of those virus-links (from Dora’s computer)?

Charles

 

Group: runacc Message: 2359 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 10/13/2011
Subject: Re: Digest Number 625

Please don’t click through any of the messages from Dora until you
hear from her that the virus is clear. I’m aiming to put her on
moderated status until the mess clears up, but if any others get
through, please delete them.

Thanks,

Betsy

On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 12:50 PM, <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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Group: runacc Message: 2360 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 10/13/2011
Subject: Re: Digest Number 625

Done. Please let me know when the dfaybuck@yahoo.com email address is
clear again and I’ll remove the moderation.

Thanks!

Betsy

On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Betsy Delaney <aramintamd@gmail.com> wrote:
> Please don’t click through any of the messages from Dora until you
> hear from her that the virus is clear. I’m aiming to put her on
> moderated status until the mess clears up, but if any others get
> through, please delete them.
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> Thanks,
>
> Betsy
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Group: runacc Message: 2361 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 11/1/2011
Subject: Problems we don’t think we have…
Take a moment to read this.
http://jaymgates.com/misc/wfc-2011-creeper/Now before you start responding with “but we’re family, we’re not like
that, we’re not AnyCon” consider this happened at World Fantasy Con, a
very niche convention that’s primarily attended by a small-ish
tight-knit community of genre lit professionals and serious literary
fans, with a collegial and genteel reputation. Like us, they don’t have
door badgers, security staff, huge committees. Like us, there’s a
significant attendee base that travels to the con almost every year and
has a strong investment in seeing it succeed.

We don’t have to fundamentally change our environment because of this.
But we do have to be ready to recognize warning signs, take reports and
work with hotel security if we encounter an attendee whose behavior
crosses the line.

Because this situation should have never played out the way it did for
as long as it did.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 2362 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 11/1/2011
Subject: Re: Problems we don’t think we have…

They could be closer than people think, last year the KCCG made a very uncomfortable decision to tell a person they were no longer welcome at group meetings because they insinuated them self into conversations where they weren’t welcome, wouldn’t take no for an answer, constantly tried to change costuming conversations to something ‘more interesting’ and leered at female members; all incidents added up to where the guild had more than a handful of people either avoiding memberships or avoiding events because they didn’t want to interact with this person. I regret that it took so many complaints for the leadership (and myself personally, not as leadership but as someone who knew all parties and the situation) to take action. This person has attended Costume Cons in the past and very well could again, and while I hope that some of the message transmitted will modify the behavior (and I have seen that to a small extent from the distance I’m at) it could have easily escalated instead.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 1, 2011, at 4:55 PM, Andrew Trembley <attrembl@bovil.com> wrote:

> Take a moment to read this.
> http://jaymgates.com/misc/wfc-2011-creeper/
>
> Now before you start responding with “but we’re family, we’re not like
> that, we’re not AnyCon” consider this happened at World Fantasy Con, a
> very niche convention that’s primarily attended by a small-ish
> tight-knit community of genre lit professionals and serious literary
> fans, with a collegial and genteel reputation. Like us, they don’t have
> door badgers, security staff, huge committees. Like us, there’s a
> significant attendee base that travels to the con almost every year and
> has a strong investment in seeing it succeed.
>
> We don’t have to fundamentally change our environment because of this.
> But we do have to be ready to recognize warning signs, take reports and
> work with hotel security if we encounter an attendee whose behavior
> crosses the line.
>
> Because this situation should have never played out the way it did for
> as long as it did.
>
> andy
>
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Group: runacc Message: 2363 From: Byron Connell Date: 11/1/2011
Subject: Re: Problems we don’t think we have…

There just has been a huge and confusing discussion of this on the Arisia staff discussion list.

Every Costume-Con ought to have an adopted and published set of regulations governing the conduct of its members. The ConStitution authorizes it to do so:

“1.5.3 Restriction of Memberships

“Each Costume-Con conference committee shall have the right to limit the activities of its attendees, either individually or in groups, insofar as such activities endanger, physically or legally, other persons or property. Such limitations may include, but are not limited to, closing down parties, ejecting persons from the Costume-Con conference, or turning offenders over to other authorities. No refund of membership need be given in such circumstances. Each member, in purchasing his/her membership, agrees to abide by this ConStitution.”

To be enforceable, the con needs to give reasonable notice of the regulations’ existence. It can do so by publishing the regulations on its Web site and in the program book. That does not mean that every member will have read the regulations; however, “ignorance of the law is no excuse” for violating it. A con might consider requiring members to accept “terms and conditions,” one of which is to abide by the con’s regulations, as part of the process of purchasing a membership. Albacon is considering doing so. The con needs to have procedures through which allegation that someone violated the regulations may be brought [e.g., to whom do you complain?], the procedure the con will use in response, and the penalties for violations.

Byron

On Nov 1, 2011, at 4:55 PM, Andrew Trembley wrote:

> Take a moment to read this.
> http://jaymgates.com/misc/wfc-2011-creeper/
>
> Now before you start responding with “but we’re family, we’re not like
> that, we’re not AnyCon” consider this happened at World Fantasy Con, a
> very niche convention that’s primarily attended by a small-ish
> tight-knit community of genre lit professionals and serious literary
> fans, with a collegial and genteel reputation. Like us, they don’t have
> door badgers, security staff, huge committees. Like us, there’s a
> significant attendee base that travels to the con almost every year and
> has a strong investment in seeing it succeed.
>
> We don’t have to fundamentally change our environment because of this.
> But we do have to be ready to recognize warning signs, take reports and
> work with hotel security if we encounter an attendee whose behavior
> crosses the line.
>
> Because this situation should have never played out the way it did for
> as long as it did.
>
> andy
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2364 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 11/1/2011
Subject: Re: Problems we don’t think we have…

We have a creeper here. During the formation of DCCS, we specifically
wrote rules for disciplinary actions, for when this person acted up
again. He is in his mid-late 20’s. He was home schooled and is pretty
much unsocialized. He used to follow girls around at conventions with a
video camera. A number of years ago he followed a con-com members
daughter into the bathroom. Fortunate for him, he fled the hotel before
her father found him. He seems to have toned down his creeping since
finding a girl to marry him. As far as I know he still lives in his
parents basement. He’s also publicly slandered DCCS, he removes our
fliers at conventions and replaces them with his own manifesto on the
evils of the DCCS.

Creepers are everywhere.

Michael

On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 17:18:32 -0400, Aurora Celeste wrote:
> They could be closer than people think, last year the KCCG made a
> very uncomfortable decision to tell a person they were no longer
> welcome at group meetings because they insinuated them self into
> conversations where they weren’t welcome, wouldn’t take no for an
> answer, constantly tried to change costuming conversations to
> something ‘more interesting’ and leered at female members; all
> incidents added up to where the guild had more than a handful of
> people either avoiding memberships or avoiding events because they
> didn’t want to interact with this person. I regret that it took so
> many complaints for the leadership (and myself personally, not as
> leadership but as someone who knew all parties and the situation) to
> take action. This person has attended Costume Cons in the past and
> very well could again, and while I hope that some of the message
> transmitted will modify the behavior (and I have seen that to a small
> extent from the distance I’m at) it could have easily escalated
> instead.

 

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Subject: Uh Oh

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Group: runacc Message: 2366 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 11/22/2011
Subject: Never mind

Temporary burp. (that was weird)

Bruce

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Group: runacc Message: 2367 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 12/27/2011
Subject: CC Runway sign-up opens in ONE WEEK!

With apologies for multi-posts, since this is going to many lists:

Costume-Con 30’s new competition, CC Runway, will open for sign-up in
ONE WEEK! We are looking for up to 10 entrants to show off their
design and construction skills in this homage to the popular TV
contest, “Project Runway”.

Information may be found at the CostumeCon 30 website, as follows:
http://costumecon30.com/pdf/CC_Runway.pdf
(alt-click to go to the link)

Please consider entering this new competition, and plan to attend
Costume-Con 30! Remember, membership rates go up on Jan.1!

See you there!

Pierre and Sandy Pettinger
CC Runway Directors

International Costumers’ Guild Archivist

http://www.costume.org/gallery2/main.php

“Those Who Fail to Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly –
Why They Are Simply Doomed.”

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C. Y. 4971

Andromeda

 

Group: runacc Message: 2368 From: Elaine Mami Date: 2/2/2012
Subject: updates, please

Betsy,

I’m hoping you own the costume-con.com & .org sites. I would like to have them updated to reflect CC 30 and the next 3 CCs – but mostly 30.

If not you, then who do I need to bug?

Thanks,

Elaine
Nil significat nisi oscillat!

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Group: runacc Message: 2369 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 2/3/2012
Subject: Re: Digest Number 630

Hi, Elaine and all!

Because I was concerned about my ability to continue attending CCs (proven,
sadly, to be correct) I stepped down as site admin around CC25 and gave
Karen the keys to her site. Costume-Con.com has always been Karen’s site.

I know there are still folks who have been helping keep the Gallery
Archives up to date, but I haven’t really touched the content of the site
in three or four years.

Sad to say, every year for the past three something has taken the place of
CC in my schedule. I can’t afford to bring my kids with me and Dan has
found a way, on purpose or by accident, to be deployed or gone for work
every year since CC26. This year is no exception.

I may be able to swing it to come out to Denver next year, but I can’t buy
my membership or plan in advance because Dan’s schedule *always* comes
first (which is why we’re separated) and because being there is part of the
process, it made much less sense for me to continue as web admin.

So long as CCs continue to be outside of driving distance and off holiday
weekends, I just won’t be making them. If I can’t get to Denver next year,
Toronto is doable because I can drive there.

Please drop Karen a line (in case she isn’t seeing this message).

Thanks!

Betsy

On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 5:36 AM, <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

> 1. updates, please
> Posted by: “Elaine Mami” ecmami@hotmail.com ecmami
> Date: Thu Feb 2, 2012 4:41 pm ((PST))
>
>
> Betsy,
>
> I’m hoping you own the costume-con.com & .org sites. I would like to
> have them updated to reflect CC 30 and the next 3 CCs – but mostly 30.
>
> If not you, then who do I need to bug?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Elaine
> Nil significat nisi oscillat!
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Messages in this topic (1)
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
>
> ————————————————————————
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
> ————————————————————————
>
>




Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

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Group: runacc Message: 2370 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 2/3/2012
Subject: Re: Digest Number 630

I’ve been updating the Galleries on the CC site but don’t touch the code for the rest of the site. As Betsy said – it is Karen’s now but she needs someone to help her with that.
Got any volunteers?

Nora

— On Fri, 2/3/12, Betsy Delaney <aramintamd@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Betsy Delaney <aramintamd@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [runacc] Digest Number 630
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, February 3, 2012, 6:39 AM

Hi, Elaine and all!

Because I was concerned about my ability to continue attending CCs (proven,
sadly, to be correct) I stepped down as site admin around CC25 and gave
Karen the keys to her site. Costume-Con.com has always been Karen’s site.

I know there are still folks who have been helping keep the Gallery
Archives up to date, but I haven’t really touched the content of the site
in three or four years.

Sad to say, every year for the past three something has taken the place of
CC in my schedule. I can’t afford to bring my kids with me and Dan has
found a way, on purpose or by accident, to be deployed or gone for work
every year since CC26. This year is no exception.

I may be able to swing it to come out to Denver next year, but I can’t buy
my membership or plan in advance because Dan’s schedule *always* comes
first (which is why we’re separated) and because being there is part of the
process, it made much less sense for me to continue as web admin.

So long as CCs continue to be outside of driving distance and off holiday
weekends, I just won’t be making them. If I can’t get to Denver next year,
Toronto is doable because I can drive there.

Please drop Karen a line (in case she isn’t seeing this message).

Thanks!

Betsy

On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 5:36 AM, <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

> 1. updates, please
>    Posted by: “Elaine Mami” ecmami@hotmail.com ecmami
>    Date: Thu Feb 2, 2012 4:41 pm ((PST))
>
>
> Betsy,
>
> I’m hoping you own the costume-con.com & .org sites.  I would like to
> have them updated to reflect CC 30 and the next 3 CCs – but mostly 30.
>
> If not you, then who do I need to bug?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Elaine
> Nil significat nisi oscillat!
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Messages in this topic (1)
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
>
> ————————————————————————
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
> ————————————————————————
>
>




Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

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Group: runacc Message: 2371 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair Date: 2/4/2012
Subject: Re: Digest Number 630
If we’re just talking about simple updates, not a full redesign, I can
certainly help with those.I’m looking to see if I still have the passwords.

Kevin

 

Group: runacc Message: 2372 From: Kevin Roche Date: 2/6/2012
Subject: Re: updates, please
I got the “keys to the car” from Karen and have (very quickly) updated
the Costume-Con.orghome page and what’s new page.Karen will have to take care of Costume-con.com . She should always be
the first go-to on questions about either site.

I have offered to assist her in the future as well.

Kevin

 

Group: runacc Message: 2373 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 2/7/2012
Subject: Re: updates, please

That’s great! I’m perfectly happy to keep loading the Galleries for the site but wasn’t sure if my skills were up to tweaking the rest of the site.

Nora

— On Mon, 2/6/12, Kevin Roche <chair@cc26.org> wrote:

From: Kevin Roche <chair@cc26.org>
Subject: Re: [runacc] updates, please
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 6, 2012, 5:52 PM

I got the “keys to the car” from Karen and have (very quickly) updated
the Costume-Con.orghome page and what’s new page.

Karen will have to take care of Costume-con.com . She should always be
the first go-to on questions about either site.

I have offered to assist her in the future as well.

Kevin

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Group: runacc Message: 2374 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: Re: updates, please

Yay!

Perhaps we can put the FAQ I wrote up there, too?

Bruce

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Kevin Roche
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:53 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] updates, please

I got the “keys to the car” from Karen and have (very quickly) updated
the Costume-Con.orghome page and what’s new page.

Karen will have to take care of Costume-con.com . She should always be
the first go-to on questions about either site.

I have offered to assist her in the future as well.

Kevin

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View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo! Groups
Links

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Group: runacc Message: 2375 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: Re: updates, please

Let me get through Gallifrey (next weekend) and Barbot (first weekend in
March) before I start considering any structural changes. I’m severely
time-impacted at the moment. These updates were simple to do.

Kevin

On 2/12/2012 7:54 PM, Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:
>
> Yay!
>
> Perhaps we can put the FAQ I wrote up there, too?
>
> Bruce
>
> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>] On
> Behalf Of
> Kevin Roche
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:53 PM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [runacc] updates, please
>
> I got the “keys to the car” from Karen and have (very quickly) updated
> the Costume-Con.orghome page and what’s new page.
>
> Karen will have to take care of Costume-con.com . She should always be
> the first go-to on questions about either site.
>
> I have offered to assist her in the future as well.
>
> Kevin
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo!
> Groups
> Links
>
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Group: runacc Message: 2376 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 2/19/2012
Subject: CC promo video on line
I think most of you have already known about it but since this is the “Run A
CC” list, where we’re supposed to discuss all things about the con,
including promotion, I’ve uploaded a promo for the con on the ICG Archives
channel. Hopefully, this’ll drive some interest to various cons. I’ve
intentions of changing it out and make it look even slicker, but for now,
we’re getting good feedback on it.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAtzfC75N6k

Bruce

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Group: runacc Message: 2377 From: Michael Date: 3/26/2012
Subject: CC ConCom responsibilities

Since I’m working with a lot of people who have never been to a CC, but do have a lot of fan conventions, I’m putting together a list of ConCom positions and their responsibilities, so everyone knows who is responsible for what. I think we have most everything fleshed out, but we have a couple of questions.

Does CC usually have a Stage Manager to manage the stage crew for all the shows, or does each Masquerade Director just coordinate with them and the Green Room?

Does CC usually run a volunteer department to coordinate the people who volunteer to help on site for various things?

Thanks.

Michael

 

Group: runacc Message: 2378 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: CC ConCom responsibilities
If they don’t, they should. I’d consider both of these roles to be very
important to the con. The more you can divide out the work of logistics for
these jobs, the better, and having a single coordinator whose
responsibility it is to manage these areas makes the chair’s job MUCH
easier and the MD’s as well.My $0.02.

Betsy



Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

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Group: runacc Message: 2379 From: Martin Gear Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: CC ConCom responsibilities

Michael –
Post CC-3, I have always had a Technical Director and a Stage
Manager/Show Caller for any masquerades that I have run. Sometimes these
individuals are the same, but frequently they are separate with the TD
being responsible for the overall Tech at the convention, and the Stage
Manager responsible for an individual competition.

Yes, a volunteer department or at least a volunteer coordinator is very
important.

Marty

On 3/26/2012 11:55 PM, Michael wrote:
>
> Since I’m working with a lot of people who have never been to a CC,
> but do have a lot of fan conventions, I’m putting together a list of
> ConCom positions and their responsibilities, so everyone knows who is
> responsible for what. I think we have most everything fleshed out, but
> we have a couple of questions.
>
> Does CC usually have a Stage Manager to manage the stage crew for all
> the shows, or does each Masquerade Director just coordinate with them
> and the Green Room?
>
> Does CC usually run a volunteer department to coordinate the people
> who volunteer to help on site for various things?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Michael
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2380 From: Kevin Roche Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: CC ConCom responsibilities
I believe we had both a stage manager and a front-of-house manager (to
oversee audience load-in, etc.) for CC26.And definitely YES for a volunteer director/manager/whatever you want to
call it. If nothing else, a dedicated email address specifically for
volunteers makes it much easier to track those offers of assistance.

Kevin

 

Group: runacc Message: 2381 From: Margie Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: CC ConCom responsibilities

That’s great, Michael. (I would have loved to have had that resource available for us too.) Maybe it is something that can go online to be useful for future CC’s? Possibly even in the Files section of this Yahoo group.

I know I plan to have a lot of documents available for future use.

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Michael” <bruno@…> wrote:
>
> Since I’m working with a lot of people who have never been to a CC, but do have a lot of fan conventions, I’m putting together a list of ConCom positions and their responsibilities, so everyone knows who is responsible for what. I think we have most everything fleshed out, but we have a couple of questions.
>
> Does CC usually have a Stage Manager to manage the stage crew for all the shows, or does each Masquerade Director just coordinate with them and the Green Room?
>
> Does CC usually run a volunteer department to coordinate the people who volunteer to help on site for various things?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> Michael
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2382 From: Byron Connell Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: CC ConCom responsibilities

I generally favor a single management for all shows, including the tech director, stage manager, green room manager, head ninja/backstage manager, and front-of-house manager. This relieves the show director from the added responsibility of filling those positions; the MD has enough to do in writing the rules, organizing the show, finding and briefing the judges, finding judges’ clerks, and so forth. It also assures that the con’s later shows are supported by a team that’s experienced in working with one another. Generally, however, the con needs to assign these managers show-by-show, since the same person may not be available for each and every show. (The SFF head nina may be an entrant in the Historical, for example.)

Often in my experience, the stage manager is designated by and reports to the tech director and calls the show. The head ninja is responsible for providing staff to support the entrants as they enter and leave the stage. When I run a green room I usually tell the den moms to turn their charges over to the ninjas and pick then up again after the ninjas get them off stage. Catchers often also report to the head ninja.

I agree with Betsey that it’s a good idea for a CC to have a coordinator of volunteers and a list of volunteer staff and gofers, as SF cons usually do. Roughly one out of two CC attending members need to provide some volunteer effort at some point during the con; otherwise the con may be in danger of collapse. Someone has to accept the offers to volunteer and assign the volunteers to essential jobs. I’t not going to happen on its own.

Byron

On Mar 26, 2012, at 11:55 PM, Michael wrote:

> Since I’m working with a lot of people who have never been to a CC, but do have a lot of fan conventions, I’m putting together a list of ConCom positions and their responsibilities, so everyone knows who is responsible for what. I think we have most everything fleshed out, but we have a couple of questions.
>
> Does CC usually have a Stage Manager to manage the stage crew for all the shows, or does each Masquerade Director just coordinate with them and the Green Room?
>
> Does CC usually run a volunteer department to coordinate the people who volunteer to help on site for various things?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Michael
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2383 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 3/27/2012
Subject: Re: CC ConCom responsibilities

Marg,

I agree that the more information that can be passed down to future
conventions will be to their benefit. We shouldn’t need to reinvent the
wheel every year.

Michael

On 27.03.2012 10:20, Margie wrote:
> That’s great, Michael. (I would have loved to have had that resource
> available for us too.) Maybe it is something that can go online to be
> useful for future CC’s? Possibly even in the Files section of this
> Yahoo group.
>
> I know I plan to have a lot of documents available for future use.
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2384 From: Byron Connell Date: 3/28/2012
Subject: Re: CC ConCom responsibilities

The SLUTs post critiques following every CC. I think they’re on runacc. They talk about both good and bad aspects of the con and probably would be very valuable for concoms to review.

Byron

On Mar 27, 2012, at 10:58 PM, bruno@soulmasque.com wrote:

> Marg,
>
> I agree that the more information that can be passed down to future
> conventions will be to their benefit. We shouldn’t need to reinvent the
> wheel every year.
>
> Michael
>
> On 27.03.2012 10:20, Margie wrote:
> > That’s great, Michael. (I would have loved to have had that resource
> > available for us too.) Maybe it is something that can go online to be
> > useful for future CC’s? Possibly even in the Files section of this
> > Yahoo group.
> >
> > I know I plan to have a lot of documents available for future use.
> >
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2385 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Re: CC ConCom responsibilities

I would have spoken up, earlier, but I got the impression by the Subject
line that what was wanted was the responsibilities, not so much about what
went wrong and right. Betsy archived our con-running experiences/stuff we
learned from CC16 on the Costume-Con.org site, along with other material.
Most of the info still applies.

And as Byron says, we do post most of the “Warts and All” review versions to
this and the SLCG list. We’d like to think our reviews have been helpful
over the years (although some mistakes seem to be continually repeated, even
after we pointed to the problems).

Bruce

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Byron Connell
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 7:02 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: CC ConCom responsibilities

The SLUTs post critiques following every CC. I think they’re on runacc.
They talk about both good and bad aspects of the con and probably would be
very valuable for concoms to review.

Byron

On Mar 27, 2012, at 10:58 PM, bruno@soulmasque.com wrote:

> Marg,
>
> I agree that the more information that can be passed down to future
> conventions will be to their benefit. We shouldn’t need to reinvent
> the wheel every year.
>
> Michael
>
> On 27.03.2012 10:20, Margie wrote:
> > That’s great, Michael. (I would have loved to have had that resource
> > available for us too.) Maybe it is something that can go online to
> > be useful for future CC’s? Possibly even in the Files section of
> > this Yahoo group.
> >
> > I know I plan to have a lot of documents available for future use.
> >
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2386 From: Kaijugal . Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: CC ConCom responsibilities

I think what is being asked for is a list of expectations. i.e. The Folio should open at X time before the convention date, and

is released X time before the convention date.

I’ve reviewed some of the previous posts regarding previous Costume Cons. That said, every opinion does not
always mesh. And different people have different needs and POV’s

There is no overarching document that outlines general expectations, and therefore you are always going to get
a select group of people who balk that, “That’s just NOT the way it’s done!!!111”, when people make executive decisions
on how to run their Costume-Con.

This is a problem I’ve already come up against. I’m running mine based on what I’ve seen and experienced mingled
with what I know works from my extensive con running experience, and taking into account some of the complaints
that have been made about previous conventions, but I’m still getting the “That’s just not how it’s done.” commentary.

I’m going to do my best in conjunction with my team to deliver a fun and well rounded convention, but I can’t
say that not having a set of guidelines / expectations beyond what basic events should exist would be the best
case scenario for anybody running a Costume-Con for a first time, especially when we have such a highly critical
community.

~Dawn McK

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: casamai@sbcglobal.net
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 21:59:55 -0500
Subject: RE: [runacc] Re: CC ConCom responsibilities

I would have spoken up, earlier, but I got the impression by the Subject

line that what was wanted was the responsibilities, not so much about what

went wrong and right. Betsy archived our con-running experiences/stuff we

learned from CC16 on the Costume-Con.org site, along with other material.

Most of the info still applies.

And as Byron says, we do post most of the “Warts and All” review versions to

this and the SLCG list. We’d like to think our reviews have been helpful

over the years (although some mistakes seem to be continually repeated, even

after we pointed to the problems).

Bruce

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Byron Connell

Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 7:02 PM

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: CC ConCom responsibilities

The SLUTs post critiques following every CC. I think they’re on runacc.

They talk about both good and bad aspects of the con and probably would be

very valuable for concoms to review.

Byron

On Mar 27, 2012, at 10:58 PM, bruno@soulmasque.com wrote:

> Marg,

>

> I agree that the more information that can be passed down to future

> conventions will be to their benefit. We shouldn’t need to reinvent

> the wheel every year.

>

> Michael

>

> On 27.03.2012 10:20, Margie wrote:

> > That’s great, Michael. (I would have loved to have had that resource

> > available for us too.) Maybe it is something that can go online to

> > be useful for future CC’s? Possibly even in the Files section of

> > this Yahoo group.

> >

> > I know I plan to have a lot of documents available for future use.

> >

>

>

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Group: runacc Message: 2387 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: CC ConCom responsibilities

You’re always going to get folks who don’t like change. But “that’s not the way its done” is different from “this is how we’ve done it in the past”. Sometimes things don’t need to be changed just for the sake of changing things, but it’s always okay to try out new things. If they don’t work – lesson learned.
The biggest problems seem to be people who don’t want any change (no matter if it would be an improvement or not) and people who insist on changing things just because.
“If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” does apply but so does “don’t make the same mistakes, make new ones”.

Nora

— On Tue, 4/3/12, Kaijugal . <kaijugal@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Kaijugal . <kaijugal@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [runacc] Re: CC ConCom responsibilities
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 3, 2012, 8:47 AM

I think what is being asked for is a list of expectations. i.e. The Folio should open at X time before the convention date, and

is released X time before the convention date.

I’ve reviewed some of the previous posts regarding previous Costume Cons. That said, every opinion does not
always mesh. And different people have different needs and POV’s

There is no overarching document that outlines general expectations, and therefore you are always going to get
a select group of people who balk that, “That’s just NOT the way it’s done!!!111”, when people make executive decisions
on how to run their Costume-Con.

This is a problem I’ve already come up against. I’m running mine based on what I’ve seen and experienced mingled
with what I know works from my extensive con running experience, and taking into account some of the complaints
that have been made about previous conventions, but I’m still getting the “That’s just not how it’s done.” commentary.

I’m going to do my best in conjunction with my team to deliver a fun and well rounded convention, but I can’t
say that not having a set of guidelines / expectations beyond what basic events should exist would be the best
case scenario for anybody running a Costume-Con for a first time, especially when we have such a highly critical
community.

~Dawn McK

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: casamai@sbcglobal.net
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 21:59:55 -0500
Subject: RE: [runacc] Re: CC ConCom responsibilities

I would have spoken up, earlier, but I got the impression by the Subject

line that what was wanted was the responsibilities, not so much about what

went wrong and right.   Betsy archived our con-running experiences/stuff we

learned from CC16 on the Costume-Con.org site, along with other material.

Most of the info still applies.

And as Byron says, we do post most of the “Warts and All” review versions to

this and the SLCG list.   We’d like to think our reviews have been helpful

over the years (although some mistakes seem to be continually repeated, even

after we pointed to the problems).

Bruce

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From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of

Byron Connell

Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 7:02 PM

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: CC ConCom responsibilities

The SLUTs post critiques following every CC.  I think they’re on runacc.

They talk about both good and bad aspects of the con and probably would be

very valuable for concoms to review.

Byron

On Mar 27, 2012, at 10:58 PM, bruno@soulmasque.com wrote:

> Marg,

>

> I agree that the more information that can be passed down to future

> conventions will be to their benefit. We shouldn’t need to reinvent

> the wheel every year.

>

> Michael

>

> On 27.03.2012 10:20, Margie wrote:

> > That’s great, Michael. (I would have loved to have had that resource

> > available for us too.) Maybe it is something that can go online to

> > be useful for future CC’s? Possibly even in the Files section of

> > this Yahoo group.

> >

> > I know I plan to have a lot of documents available for future use.

> >

>

>

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Group: runacc Message: 2388 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 5/29/2012
Subject: Fwd: [ICG-D] CON Runners’ Guide: Working with Masquerade Photographe

Hey!

I’m forwarding Richard Man’s post on ICG-D so the folks on this list will
have a copy.

Cheers,

Betsy



Betsy Marks Delaney
www.hawkeswood.com
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From: “Richard Man” <richard@imagecraft.com>
Date: May 28, 2012 11:15 PM
Subject: [ICG-D] CON Runners’ Guide: Working with Masquerade Photographers
To: “ICG-D@yahoogroups.com” <icg-d@yahoogroups.com>, <
siliconweb@yahoogroups.com>, <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>

(posted here: http://www.richardmanphoto.com/blog/?p=3707)

Aurora Celeste organized a whole day event at Costume Con
30<http://costumecon30.com/>for (potential) conrunners and I did a
segment on photography. I thought it
may be useful to organize what I spoke about and post it here.

The most important thing to remember is that the photographs are the most
lasting historical documents of a convention masquerade. Years from now,
people would want to see the costumes (and costumers), perhaps from the
excellent ICG Archive Gallery <http://www.costume.org/gallery2/main.php>.
Therefore, to state the obvious point, the most important customers for the
photographer then is the costumers, not the masquerade directors, not the
convention chair, but the costumers. The job of the conrunners then, is to
make sure that the photographer has the resource to put the costumes and
costumers in the best light (*ahem, sorry*).

The closest convention staff that the photographer works with is the Green
Room manager. If you are a conrunner, make sure that your Green Room
manager knows that they need to handle the photographer, in addition to
managing the costumers. If you are a photographer, make sure that the Green
Room manager knows all your needs.

Here is a list to think about:

– Is there sufficient space for the photographer? I personally need at
least ~20 feet by 20 feet. Make sure there is space for traffic flow.
– Make sure there is at least one power outlet, and if needed, provide
extension cord and outlets, gaffe tape, safety pins, paper and pens. I
personally carry all those things myself so all I need is a power outlet,
but other photographers may not have them.
– Give the photographer the run list. Generally I try to photograph more
or less in the run list order, but I do not hold to it strictly. Sometimes
it’s impractical anyway as the costumers may not be ready.
– The Green Room manager should have a volunteer to manage the costumer
queue and make sure that they also have the run list and that all
costumers
have been photographed. Have the volunteer check off the list as the
entries are photographed. The important thing is this: let the
photographer
photographs and someone else does whatever else is needed.
– Likewise, do not have the official photographer to do judges photos.
– And if you have someone who wants space to do judges photos (rather
than, for example, simple photos taken “anywhere” in the Green Room), then
make sure there is a separate space from the official photo space.
– I like to photograph the winners afterward with their award ribbons or
certificates. Ask your photographer about it.

For the photographers, the most important thing is *do not upload bad
photos. *If someone happens not to look their best at one shot because of
lighting or whatever reasons, just don’t upload the photo. Share with the
person privately if you must (i.e. only photo of a particular costume or
costuming details). Second, try to process and upload all photos within 2-3
weeks.

Good luck and have fun.

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Group: runacc Message: 2389 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/31/2012
Subject: SLCG CC30 Review on the way
Buckle up. We’ve got the rough draft out there. I should hopefully be
posting it by sometime next week.Bruce

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Group: runacc Message: 2390 From: Bruce Date: 6/4/2012
Subject: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Opening Remarks

Hi, folks.

The review was approached a little differently this time, due to SLCG
members all arrived in Phoenix separately this time, rather than in big
groups like we often do. So, there wasn’t the excited yammering on
the way back home like there normally is. We haven’t even met in
person to discuss the con yet – it was all on our list. So, it may
take me some time to distill some comments down.

Let’s get started.

A number of SLCG members were part of the CC30 committee – Nora,
myself, Byron, the Pettingers, Aurora & Henry. Thus, they can share
whatever comments they previously had on our list as they see fit. I
will break out into my own personal narrative more often this time,
because the roots of the review started while Nora and I were still on
vacation after the con. You know how it is – ya gotta talk about
SOMEthing.

Before the con

I’ll give credit to the local CC30 committee members’
recognition of problems at previous Costume-Cons and wanted to make sure
they avoided them. They weren’t always successful, but it was
obvious they were trying. You can take some of the following criticisms
with a grain of salt, but future committees should take heed and make
different mistakes – not the same ones.

Early on, there was a decision made that, rather than using the more
familiar Yahoo group for committee communication, they wanted to use
Googlegroups. Ostensibly, it was because some of the committee wanted
to use the Googledocs function. Some of us (committee members) were
reluctant to have to keep track of yet another account. It was also
difficult to navigate around on on line. Ironically, that function
stopped working or was unaccessable sometime after everyone was on
board.

Now, theoretically, it was mentioned at the ICG annual meeting, that
there is a potential that Yahoo may eventually be going out of business
and/or selling off some of their properties, including Yahoogroups.
While there’s no immediate concern yet, the Technical advisory
committee is keeping an eye on the situation, and will inform the
chapters who use Yahoo Groups, and come up with alternatives if
they’re needed. Something for future CC committees to keep in
mind, though.

Credit goes to the Chairperson Elaine Mami & the rest of the local
committee for making careful note of the importance of communications.
However, having been on the CC30 committee list, communications seemed
disjointed at times. Questions about logistics from the show heads
seemed to be asked more than twice – I suppose it was easier than
going back through old emails.

Contrast this with when other committee members might have had a
question – they were told “it’s on the website”, rather
than just answering their question again. Not sure if this was to
streamline inquiries, or what. Another thing that seemed contradictory
to keeping the lines of communication open was that the Vice Chair would
sometimes take a query from a committee staff member off-list for a one
on one discussion. We realize this was probably to weed out a lot of
unnecessary chatter, but by doing so, it denied the rest of the
committee the opportunity to either add an observation or find out
something that might obliquely affect their own position.

There’s always the possibility of personality conflicts within a
committee, especially when you are pulling in people from outside a
Guild chapter to help fill out positions. However, there were a few
times when some of those conflicts spilled over on the committee
discussion list. That made things uncomfortable, at times. I’ll
not go into detail – most everyone on this list was also part of the
CC30 committee. I will just state that whether complaints about someone
are justified or not, it’s inappropriate to use a committee list to
air grievances against them, rather than addressing them face to face..

On a different note, we do want to say that all the other first-time
committee members from the Phoenix area seemed friendly and performed
their jobs well. Other notes: the webmaster did a pretty good job
updating the website any time there was anything new to report.

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Group: runacc Message: 2391 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/5/2012
Subject: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Hotel and Registration
The hotel staff was friendly and efficient. While “pricey” (given that it
was in a “downtown” location), it was possibly the best located that we’ve
seen for restaurant alternatives. You could walk right out the door and
find a restaurant within just a few hundred feet – an Irish pub was across
the alley.The facility seemed a good fit for the con (we understand it’s used quite a
bit for local cons). The free valet parking was nice -having to tip the
attendant was a small price to pay for that “luxury”. Many people liked
the courtyard with the fruit-bearing orange trees and lots of tables to sit
outside at. Of course, using those tables was dependent on the time of day,
since it could get pretty hot in the sun.

The “O” shape of the hotel with the elevators on two sides made for
“interesting” navigation. There was more than one person who got turned
around, looking for a particular room, depending on which set of elevators
were used. Not a criticism, per se – just an observation. What was more
odd was the fact that all the function space, located around the courtyard,
was accessed by having to go outside from the elevators, then crossing the
courtyard – there was no inner hallway entrances to the rooms. This
arrangement contributed to a sense that there wasn’t much traffic during the
convention (more on that later).

The outdoor pool and 2 hot tubs(!) were much appreciated after years of not
having them at CC.

Arrival

Credit goes to the committee again for having registration organized on
Thursday – they were set up in the hotel lobby that day, ready to take
people(!). Later, they moved that table to outside the main ballroom for
the rest of the weekend. Some people had a little difficulty finding
Registration after that, and having no signage to point the way for new
arrivals (as far as I know) didn’t help. I know that the hotel was rather
restrictive about the ability to put up signs, but perhaps free-standing
sandwich boards or kiosks (like we had at CC25) would have helped. If
there’s one thing we have continually heard complaints about over the past
few years, it’s a lack of sufficient signage. Future CC committee Chairs,
please make a note to have your committees give some careful thought to this
detail.

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Group: runacc Message: 2392 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/5/2012
Subject: Re: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Hotel and Registration

In a message dated 6/5/2012 8:59:26 AM Central Daylight Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> The hotel staff was friendly and efficient. While “pricey” (given that it
> was in a “downtown” location), it was possibly the best located that we’ve
> seen for restaurant alternatives. You could walk right out the door and
> find a restaurant within just a few hundred feet – an Irish pub was across
> the alley.
>
>
>

I agree with this! The only hotel staff member that was consistently not
very friendly was the Bartender. And he was not the best one I have ever dealt
with.

The location to other restaurants was nice. I particularly liked Paisan’s
Pizza around the corner. I went there many days.

Henry W. Osier

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Group: runacc Message: 2393 From: Bruce Date: 6/5/2012
Subject: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Program Book
It looked very nice, with a very fancy photo. The committeed should be
commended for pulling in a number of advertisers. Content-wise, people
thought the descriptions for the panel programming was thorough.Since not everyone would have read the CC FAQ that was on the website, I
think it would have been a good idea to also publish it in the program
book. (Of course, I’ve been told a lot of people don’t read their
program book until after the con, too. <shrug> ). In at least one
specific instance, someone didn’t find out about the Con Suite until
Sunday. It’s one of those things that the vets just assume everyone
knows about, but it’s more comprehensive than the usual hospitality
suite at general SF cons. Plus, those don’t usually have parties
featuring so much food.

A few didn’t like the vertical format of the trifold pocket program.
Apparently, that’s the way some of the cons print their programs in that
area. The most confusing part of the pub was the scheduled lunch hour
was left off. There probably should have been some space that said
“12:00 – 1:00 – LUNCH”. I liked that they showed who was
sponsoring what at what time in the Con Suite – sort of like an
additional programming track. Having the map on the reverse side was
good, but, apparently some people had trouble reading it.

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Group: runacc Message: 2394 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/7/2012
Subject: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Con Suite
One of the best in 20 years we’ve been attending. Rebecca Rowan worked
tirelessly to keep it stocked withsnacks, protein foods, fruit, tea, coffee and so on. Having both Pepsi &
Coke products was appreciated. The con was very successful in getting
sponsorships by not just standing CC committees, but local conventions and
other local costuming groups, including the SLCG, of course. Having Guild
chapters sponsor things should be an annual pursuit by committees. Almost
every sponsored meal had real food, plus the couple of tea and cookie times
in the suite. This saved folks a lot of money.

Speaking to the SLUTS in attendance, we’re pretty much thinking we should
continue to sponsor Con Suite meals.

Nora thought supplying the con with herbal teas was a good idea for future
CC suites. More people our age are trying to stay healthy and many people
availed themselves of the good variety. Something to keep in mind.

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Group: runacc Message: 2395 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/7/2012
Subject: Re: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Con Suite

The physical space — a long and skinny room — was not ideal. Rebecca made excellent used of it, however. My only personal complaint was that, on Sunday morning, as I desperately sought coffee before opening the green room to the FFS entrants who were to begin arriving at 9:00, all four coffee pots were perking at the same time so none was available.

Ah, well.

Byron

On Jun 7, 2012, at 8:26 AM, Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:

> One of the best in 20 years we’ve been attending. Rebecca Rowan worked
> tirelessly to keep it stocked with
>
> snacks, protein foods, fruit, tea, coffee and so on. Having both Pepsi &
> Coke products was appreciated. The con was very successful in getting
> sponsorships by not just standing CC committees, but local conventions and
> other local costuming groups, including the SLCG, of course. Having Guild
> chapters sponsor things should be an annual pursuit by committees. Almost
> every sponsored meal had real food, plus the couple of tea and cookie times
> in the suite. This saved folks a lot of money.
>
> Speaking to the SLUTS in attendance, we’re pretty much thinking we should
> continue to sponsor Con Suite meals.
>
> Nora thought supplying the con with herbal teas was a good idea for future
> CC suites. More people our age are trying to stay healthy and many people
> availed themselves of the good variety. Something to keep in mind.
>
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>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2396 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/8/2012
Subject: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Exhibits
Seemed..okay given that Henry had to scramble when he was asked to pick up
for Dora when she couldn’t come. It had a few more historical costumes than
FS & F/Fantasy, but you’re really at the mercy of who bothers to bring
stuff. Henry can address this more. The number of quilts was probably
pretty good, given that they’re not costumes. That had around a dozen, as
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Group: runacc Message: 2397 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/8/2012
Subject: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: The Ribbon Project
Carrying on an idea we started at CC16, Nora’s efforts to get people to
identify themselves either as first-timers or as CC veterans was very
successful. We handed out quite a few ribbons outright, but we also had
many people come up to us and ask for them.The “Costume-Con Cognoscenti” idea’s success was harder to define. Nora,
Karen, Kevin, Pierre, Sandy and I (I think that’s all of us) wore them at
various times during the con. Few people asked first-timer questions, but
those that did were appreciative.

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Group: runacc Message: 2398 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/8/2012
Subject: Costume-Con Review – Runacc: Panel Programming

LONG POST

Programming-wise, we thought the subjects covered were interesting, and
there were about the right number of tracks. Most of the panels that we saw
were well-attended.

Here are some notes about our specific panel experiences:

Newsletter Editors Panel: Bust. Only one person came.

Presentation 201: Bust. I’ve yet to see a presentation panel very
well-attended. Either people think it’s too late for tips or don’t think
they need the help. They either need to be presented in a different way or
just dropped.

How to Build a Guild Chapter: Only 4 – 6 people showed up for this, and
only one person was there to get info. However, there was some interesting
side conversations about how to recruit new people into existing chapters
from the Minnesota Guild.

My First Costume-Con: Successful. Not as many people at this one, compared
to, say, CC28, but still worthwhile to continue. We may want to focus the
subject matter a little more in the future. Having a lot of panelists is not
necessarily always a good idea – we tended to get off on a tangent. A good
moderator is key.

The Future Fashion Folio 29-year retrospective was moderately successful.
Everyone there liked the idea of trying to get the permission of as many
designers as we can reach to republish some of the old designs from the
past. And I like the idea of possibly doing a “second chance” Folio show to
see if we can get more of the ones on stage that were never made up. Does
that mean I’ve volunteered? Also, we’ve gotten a couple of contacts out of
it for more material for the Archives. Bonus.

The Monday Costume-Con operations seminar track, which ran just about all
day, was surprisingly and moderately, successful. Panels ran 30 minutes
each, and covered topics such as running masquerades, setting the rules,
paperwork, choosing judges, judges etiquette documentation, etc. No new
people, but those who were on future committees found the discussions of
interest. So, this track seemed to work.

The Archives Road Show was better attended than last year. We’re thinking,
maybe, we should also request an hour sometime earlier in the weekend to
show some more “targeted” productions to pique more people’s interest in
convention costuming history.

From what we’ve heard, the workshops were well attended, but some were
limited in scope: “Steampunk Goggles”, “Intro to Hat Blocking”, “Steampunk
Garters”, etc. However, you have to realize that anything really involved
is going to take up more than an hour’s time to explore. One person said
they liked the Kanzashi workshop.

The panels in 75 minute blocks, with a 15 minute “transition” to allow
people to get to their next panel was a good idea in theory, because it
never seems like an hour is enough, especially when there are a lot of
questions. However, many panelists took the block to mean they actually had
90 minutes, and thus, kept the following panels from being able to set up –
which was a problem if you had equipment to prepare. You know how it is
with people not getting the heck out of a room immediately after an
especially interesting panel or where there are lots of props to pack up.

Panelists were given 5 or 10 minute warnings during the first day or so of
the weekend, but as it wore on, this was less and less observed. There
needs to be adequate people deputized to keep up on this. At least two
panels on I was in on Sunday were delayed because people were still
dawdling, thus setup for the next one was delayed.

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Group: runacc Message: 2399 From: lisa58@juno.com Date: 6/8/2012
Subject: Re: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Exhibits

My two cents on Exhibits:

Exhibits was the first CC job I ever had,for CC 15. I was supposed to
besomeone else’s “assistant”, but it ended up I ran it myself. For the
most part, you really ARE at the mercy of who can bring things; however,
if you decide on a “theme” and start early enough, you can contact
specific people who have costumes that you want to include with that
“Theme” and target getting those costumes. That year I got a lot of
folks to ship me stuff (even from the UK), plus I was thrilled to have
lots of tables from the htoel, as well as having my husband build me T
stands and table stands to display headpieces. I will say, it was a fair
amount amount of work, especially the tearing down, repacking and
shipping out what was needed, but I was happy with our Exhibit. Becasue
the Exhibits that year ended up in a very public, accfessible space that
was right when you got off theelevators at the top floor of the hotel, it
was really hard to avoid, so we had a lot of traffic. We also required a
guard at night, though, but we had a a terrific volunteer who slept there
on a folding cot every night.

I’ve often felt that Exhibits gets marginalized a little bit. I’d liket
o see, at least on Sat. and Sunday of hte con, a morning docented tour
through it, with a “more experienced” costumer maybe pointing out details
that wouldn’t otherwise be noticed. I’d also like to see an area where
historical or other masq. documentation could be perhaps exhibited, even
looked at more closely.

And, Bruce and Nora, I will DEFINITELY take you up on your suggestion to
have an Archives viewing earlier in the con for CC33.

Yorus in costuming,Lisa A

On Fri, 8 Jun 2012 07:05:05 -0500 “Nora & Bruce Mai”
<casamai@sbcglobal.net> writes:

> Seemed..okay given that Henry had to scramble when he was asked to
> pick up
> for Dora when she couldn’t come. It had a few more historical
> costumes than
> FS & F/Fantasy, but you’re really at the mercy of who bothers to
> bring
> stuff. Henry can address this more. The number of quilts was
> probably
> pretty good, given that they’re not costumes. That had around a
> dozen, as
> well. And the Doll contest had a good turnout. Space for all these
> was
> adequate.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2400 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/8/2012
Subject: Re: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Exhibits

Yes! I believe we’ve talked about docented tours in the past. Kinda
forgot about that suggestion. I think that would require more prep ahead of
time, to be sure of what you’d be getting. Then, you have to give your
docent (and you’ll probably need more than one) lead time to learn the stuff
– or at least have notes to read from. This almost requires having a vet or
at least someone who has costumed for many years.

Bruce

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From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
lisa58@juno.com
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 8:24 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Exhibits

My two cents on Exhibits:

I’ve often felt that Exhibits gets marginalized a little bit. I’d liket o
see, at least on Sat. and Sunday of hte con, a morning docented tour through
it, with a “more experienced” costumer maybe pointing out details that
wouldn’t otherwise be noticed. I’d also like to see an area where
historical or other masq. documentation could be perhaps exhibited, even
looked at more closely.

Yorus in costuming,Lisa A

On Fri, 8 Jun 2012 07:05:05 -0500 “Nora & Bruce Mai”
<casamai@sbcglobal.net> writes:

> Seemed..okay given that Henry had to scramble when he was asked to
> pick up for Dora when she couldn’t come. It had a few more historical
> costumes than FS & F/Fantasy, but you’re really at the mercy of who
> bothers to bring stuff. Henry can address this more. The number of
> quilts was probably pretty good, given that they’re not costumes.
> That had around a dozen, as well. And the Doll contest had a good
> turnout. Space for all these was adequate.

 

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Group: runacc Message: 2401 From: Lisa Ashton Date: 6/8/2012
Subject: Re: Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Exhibits

I’ll be happy to work with whoever is coordinating exhibits at CC33 ( or at the other upcoming cons). I think it would be really fun to have a discussion of the exhibits as a docent–I do that sort of thing at My county fiar every summer in the Home Arts Bldg. It’s also great, to have the costumer offering the costume for exhibit to write a few sentences that can be used as part of the signage when the exhibits are up.
Yours in cosutming, Lisa a

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From: “Nora & Bruce Mai” <casamai@sbcglobal.net>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [runacc] Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Exhibits
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 20:04:17 -0500

Yes! I believe we’ve talked about docented tours in the past. Kinda
forgot about that suggestion. I think that would require more prep ahead of
time, to be sure of what you’d be getting. Then, you have to give your
docent (and you’ll probably need more than one) lead time to learn the stuff
– or at least have notes to read from. This almost requires having a vet or
at least someone who has costumed for many years.

Bruce

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From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
lisa58@juno.com
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 8:24 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Costume-Con 30 Review – Runacc: Exhibits

My two cents on Exhibits:

I’ve often felt that Exhibits gets marginalized a little bit. I’d liket o
see, at least on Sat. and Sunday of hte con, a morning docented tour through
it, with a “more experienced” costumer maybe pointing out details that
wouldn’t otherwise be noticed. I’d also like to see an area where
historical or other masq. documentation could be perhaps exhibited, even
looked at more closely.

Yorus in costuming,Lisa A

On Fri, 8 Jun 2012 07:05:05 -0500 “Nora & Bruce Mai”
<casamai@sbcglobal.net> writes:

> Seemed..okay given that Henry had to scramble when he was asked to
> pick up for Dora when she couldn’t come. It had a few more historical
> costumes than FS & F/Fantasy, but you’re really at the mercy of who
> bothers to bring stuff. Henry can address this more. The number of
> quilts was probably pretty good, given that they’re not costumes.
> That had around a dozen, as well. And the Doll contest had a good
> turnout. Space for all these was adequate.

 

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Group: runacc Message: 2301 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/29/2011
Subject: Re: Names on Photographs, etc
Group: runacc Message: 2302 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/29/2011
Subject: Re: Names on Photographs, etc
Group: runacc Message: 2303 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/30/2011
Subject: Re: Names on Photographs, etc
Group: runacc Message: 2304 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair Date: 6/30/2011
Subject: Re: Questions for former con chairs.
Group: runacc Message: 2305 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/30/2011
Subject: Re: Names on Photographs, etc
Group: runacc Message: 2306 From: Nora Date: 7/2/2011
Subject: CC30 Avenir Mode Folio
Group: runacc Message: 2307 From: Kaijugal . Date: 7/2/2011
Subject: Re: CC30 Avenir Mode Folio
Group: runacc Message: 2308 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 7/2/2011
Subject: Re: Names on Photographs, etc
Group: runacc Message: 2309 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: Where’s the Costume-Con.com site?
Group: runacc Message: 2310 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: The CC FAQ, PDQ, OK? LOL!
Group: runacc Message: 2311 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: FAQ pt. 2
Group: runacc Message: 2312 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: CC FAQ pt. 3
Group: runacc Message: 2313 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: FAQ pt 4
Group: runacc Message: 2314 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: CC FAQ pt. 5
Group: runacc Message: 2315 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: CC FAQ pt 6
Group: runacc Message: 2316 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: CC FAQ pt 7
Group: runacc Message: 2317 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: CC FAQ pt 7
Group: runacc Message: 2318 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: CC FAQ pt 8
Group: runacc Message: 2319 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: CC FAQ pt 9
Group: runacc Message: 2320 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: CC FAQ pt 10
Group: runacc Message: 2321 From: Byron Connell Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: Re: The CC FAQ, PDQ, OK? LOL!
Group: runacc Message: 2322 From: Byron Connell Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: Re: CC FAQ pt. 3
Group: runacc Message: 2323 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: CC FAQ pt 11
Group: runacc Message: 2324 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: CC FAQ pt 12
Group: runacc Message: 2325 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: CC FAQ pt 13
Group: runacc Message: 2326 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: CC FAQ pt 14 – the last
Group: runacc Message: 2327 From: Byron Connell Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: Re: FAQ pt 4
Group: runacc Message: 2328 From: Byron Connell Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: Re: CC FAQ pt. 5
Group: runacc Message: 2329 From: Byron Connell Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: Re: CC FAQ pt 7
Group: runacc Message: 2330 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: Re: CC FAQ pt 6
Group: runacc Message: 2331 From: Byron Connell Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: Re: CC FAQ pt 13
Group: runacc Message: 2332 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 7/29/2011
Subject: Must have been temporary
Group: runacc Message: 2333 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 7/29/2011
Subject: Re: CC FAQ’s
Group: runacc Message: 2334 From: Byron Connell Date: 7/29/2011
Subject: Re: Must have been temporary
Group: runacc Message: 2335 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/29/2011
Subject: Re: Must have been temporary
Group: runacc Message: 2336 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 7/30/2011
Subject: Temporary Costume-Con.com outage
Group: runacc Message: 2337 From: Tina Connell Date: 7/31/2011
Subject: Old FAQs
Group: runacc Message: 2338 From: Nora Date: 8/1/2011
Subject: CC30 Nächster Mode Folioblatt
Group: runacc Message: 2339 From: Nora Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: One week! One week! One week!
Group: runacc Message: 2340 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 8/31/2011
Subject: CC site countdown clock
Group: runacc Message: 2341 From: Elaine Mami Date: 8/31/2011
Subject: Re: CC site countdown clock
Group: runacc Message: 2342 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 9/15/2011
Subject: A different kind of CC promotion idea
Group: runacc Message: 2343 From: Martin Gear Date: 9/15/2011
Subject: Re: A different kind of CC promotion idea
Group: runacc Message: 2344 From: Kaijugal . Date: 9/15/2011
Subject: Re: A different kind of CC promotion idea
Group: runacc Message: 2345 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 9/15/2011
Subject: Re: A different kind of CC promotion idea
Group: runacc Message: 2346 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 9/16/2011
Subject: Re: A different kind of CC promotion idea
Group: runacc Message: 2347 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 9/17/2011
Subject: Re: A different kind of CC promotion idea
Group: runacc Message: 2348 From: Elaine Mami Date: 9/17/2011
Subject: Re: A different kind of CC promotion idea
Group: runacc Message: 2349 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair Date: 9/18/2011
Subject: Re: A different kind of CC promotion idea
Group: runacc Message: 2350 From: Elaine Mami Date: 9/18/2011
Subject: Re: A different kind of CC promotion idea

 


 

Group: runacc Message: 2301 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/29/2011
Subject: Re: Names on Photographs, etc

Aurora –
The only place that I know of that requires a legal name is on the
release portion of the entry form, and there is no reason for that to
ever be published or attached to a picture. Like Ricky, I only read
what is given to me to read on an entry form. Please reassure your
brother about this.
Marty

On 6/29/2011 12:19 AM, Aurora Celeste wrote:
>
> I’m trying to reassure my brother, so excuse the obvious. Next year I’m
> bringing my niece to costume con. She’s a costume diva and loves it when
> she gets new outfits, so we designed an entry for her. My mom will also be
> attending to help herd her. My brother is worried, though, about her
> online
> presence. He doesn’t really want her name attached to her face widely
> online before she’s graduated kindergarten (understandable, imo). I’ve
> told
> him to google all my pictures and see how they’re all labeled with “Aurora
> Celeste” and not my real name, but he’s worried that for some reason her
> legal name will need to be used because he signed a minor release form in
> that name. I told him the announcer’s form is a totally separate form and
> he shouldn’t be worried. Anyway, long story short, is there any
> possibility
> that I’m wrong and a reason her legal name would need to be used either by
> the announcer, on an entrant list, or in a gallery after the show?
> Also, is
> there any way to find out if there will be additional forms at the con
> that
> would need to be signed ahead of time like there was with Penny this year?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Aurora
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2302 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/29/2011
Subject: Re: Names on Photographs, etc

I always went by what was said onstage and connected last names in keyword
files. The keyword doesn’t show up, but a search will bring the person up.
Folks like Karen, with three different last names, or like Qeldas Pickett (I
think that’s her current name) are unfindable otherwise, if you want to see
all the photos. Heck, I’ve competed under Betsy Marks, Betsy Delaney, and
Betsy Marks Delaney. If we didn’t keyword these together, you’d only see a
third of what I’ve done at any given search (though the name Betsy is still
fairly rare in CC circles).

Aurora, I don’t think I posted your real name anywhere because you’ve never
used it anywhere, and I rather doubt either Karen or Nora have done so. You
could test and see what you get by Googling your name. Any search for Aurora
should bring up all your stuff – hence no cross-referencing needed. Not sure
if the same applies to your real name.

There wouldn’t be a Dragon and Dragonet or Animal X otherwise (though in her
faerie form she now goes by A~nima, which, AFAI, has never seen competition
stage). I know Animal’s real name and it may appear in early costume form if
she competed that way. In fact, I think she shows up under her real name in
the recent Resnick(?) gallery in the ICG Archives.

Never use her real name spoken onstage, and it should never show up.

Make sense?

-b

On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 8:30 AM, Bruce & Nora Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> **
>
>
> As far as the ICGallery is concerned:
> We frequently label photos with aliases (con names) on the Gallery. If
> known to us, we like to put the person’s real name in the keywords
> (non-visible) so folks who know them by that name can find them.
>
> Or vice-versa for some folks. We also put alternate names (maiden name,
> previous married names, etc.) for some folks as well.
>
> If someone were to specifically request to be “labelled” a certain way, we
> can absolutely accomodate that.
>
> Obviously I can’t speak for other websites.
>
> Nora
>
> — On Tue, 6/28/11, Aurora Celeste <auroraceleste@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Aurora Celeste <auroraceleste@gmail.com>
> Subject: [runacc] Names on Photographs, etc
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, June 28, 2011, 11:19 PM
>
>
> I’m trying to reassure my brother, so excuse the obvious. Next year I’m
> bringing my niece to costume con. She’s a costume diva and loves it when
> she gets new outfits, so we designed an entry for her. My mom will also be
> attending to help herd her. My brother is worried, though, about her
> online
> presence. He doesn’t really want her name attached to her face widely
> online before she’s graduated kindergarten (understandable, imo). I’ve
> told
> him to google all my pictures and see how they’re all labeled with “Aurora
> Celeste” and not my real name, but he’s worried that for some reason her
> legal name will need to be used because he signed a minor release form in
> that name. I told him the announcer’s form is a totally separate form and
> he shouldn’t be worried. Anyway, long story short, is there any
> possibility
> that I’m wrong and a reason her legal name would need to be used either by
> the announcer, on an entrant list, or in a gallery after the show? Also,
> is
> there any way to find out if there will be additional forms at the con that
> would need to be signed ahead of time like there was with Penny this year?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Aurora
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>




Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

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Group: runacc Message: 2303 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/30/2011
Subject: Re: Names on Photographs, etc

On 6/28/2011 9:19 PM, Aurora Celeste wrote:

> he’s worried that for some reason her
> legal name will need to be used because he signed a minor release form in
> that name.

Releases are held on file by the convention for liability purposes and
the photographer(s) for publication rights purposes. If nobody sues,
they never leave the file folders.

Photographers generally either don’t publish any notes with photos, it’s
more work than necessary. Convention, Costume-con and ICG archives
generally use the MC script or listen to a video to get published notes.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 2304 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair Date: 6/30/2011
Subject: Re: Questions for former con chairs.
We had a network storage failure; we’ve recovered the unit and I was
able to get to my contracts. I have not found the final move-in version;
I’m working off the version as signed.

CC26 took possession of all the rooms on Thursday at 8am (Convention
opened Friday). We had some dealers take advantage of this and move in
Thursday. We could also start our tech build on Thursday that way as
well. We started the installation of Sally’s big costume exhibit on
Thursday and completed it Friday morning, and we had most of the
signage, (banners) and the StarGate prop set up on Thursday as well.

We gave up a couple of the smaller function rooms on Sunday (11:59pm),
the ballrooms on Monday at 6pm and the final function rooms on Monday at
11:59pm, according to what I’ve found so far.

The con suite opened Thursday evening, and is where we held the dead dog
on Monday (which must mean we got to keep that one room longer).

There was no programming during the “big tent” events (Masquerades or
Future Fashion show); I asked Karen and she very specifically stated
that that was her preference.

We originally had plans for organizing possible tours both before and
after the convention. I believe that the way folk’s agendas fell out
that only the pre-convention tours actually gelled.

Hope that is of some help!
Kevin

 

Group: runacc Message: 2305 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/30/2011
Subject: Re: Names on Photographs, etc

We use running orders from the MDs as often as we can get them. Better chance of spelling something correctly then.

Nora

— On Wed, 6/29/11, Andrew Trembley <attrembl@bovil.com> wrote:

From: Andrew Trembley <attrembl@bovil.com>
Subject: Re: [runacc] Names on Photographs, etc
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 29, 2011, 11:40 PM

On 6/28/2011 9:19 PM, Aurora Celeste wrote:
> he’s worried that for some reason her
> legal name will need to be used because he signed a minor release form in
> that name.

Releases are held on file by the convention for liability purposes and
the photographer(s) for publication rights purposes. If nobody sues,
they never leave the file folders.

Photographers generally either don’t publish any notes with photos, it’s
more work than necessary. Convention, Costume-con and ICG archives
generally use the MC script or listen to a video to get published notes.

andy

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Group: runacc Message: 2306 From: Nora Date: 7/2/2011
Subject: CC30 Avenir Mode Folio
Bon matin, mes amis! Aujourd’hui est Juillet 1 et la date limite pour la Folio est Septembre 1, 2011.
Moins des deux mois pour finir le dessin.

What? You don’t speak French? Better learn because at this rate the Folio might be published that way. I have 63 entries so far & all but 2 are from Quebec.
Come on folks – rev up those pencils! What I’ve got is great but I want more!

Nora Mai
CC30 FFF Director

 

Group: runacc Message: 2307 From: Kaijugal . Date: 7/2/2011
Subject: Re: CC30 Avenir Mode Folio
LOL! French Fashion Folio is okay by me. XD
~Dawn

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: von_drago@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 11:40:44 +0000
Subject: [runacc] CC30 Avenir Mode Folio

Bon matin, mes amis! Aujourd’hui est Juillet 1 et la date limite pour la Folio est Septembre 1, 2011.

Moins des deux mois pour finir le dessin.

What? You don’t speak French? Better learn because at this rate the Folio might be published that way. I have 63 entries so far & all but 2 are from Quebec.

Come on folks � rev up those pencils! What I’ve got is great but I want more!

Nora Mai

CC30 FFF Director

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Group: runacc Message: 2308 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 7/2/2011
Subject: Re: Names on Photographs, etc

At 10:40 AM 6/30/2011, you wrote:

>
>
>We use running orders from the MDs as often as we can get them.
>Better chance of spelling something correctly then.
>
>Nora

Getting a running order is also preferable. We always honor
preferences for names. So long as she uses the alias on everything
except the release signature, that’s what we’ll see on lists or hear
on video and that’s what will appear online.

Pierre

>— On Wed, 6/29/11, Andrew Trembley
><<mailto:attrembl%40bovil.com>attrembl@bovil.com> wrote:
>
>From: Andrew Trembley <<mailto:attrembl%40bovil.com>attrembl@bovil.com>
>Subject: Re: [runacc] Names on Photographs, etc
>To: <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>runacc@yahoogroups.com
>Date: Wednesday, June 29, 2011, 11:40 PM
>
>On 6/28/2011 9:19 PM, Aurora Celeste wrote:
> > he’s worried that for some reason her
> > legal name will need to be used because he signed a minor release form in
> > that name.
>
>Releases are held on file by the convention for liability purposes and
>the photographer(s) for publication rights purposes. If nobody sues,
>they never leave the file folders.
>
>Photographers generally either don’t publish any notes with photos, it’s
>more work than necessary. Convention, Costume-con and ICG archives
>generally use the MC script or listen to a video to get published notes.
>
>andy
>
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Group: runacc Message: 2309 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: Where’s the Costume-Con.com site?
Uhhh, it’s not out there at the moment. Has the server gone down or something?

 

Group: runacc Message: 2310 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: The CC FAQ, PDQ, OK? LOL!
Okay, enough of that.

It’s been awhile, but I figured I’d better get this out there soon. I created the following FAQ on the Cosplay.com forum. The idea was not only to answer any questions they had over there, but also to catch any other questions that I hadn’t thought of when I started. My proposal is to post this on the CC.com site (which, as I’ve already posted seems to be missing at the moment).

Everything You Wanted to Know About Costume-Con but Didn’t Know Who to Ask

How many people attend Costume-Con?
It varies from year to year, depending on where it’s held, but the average membership is between 225 – 300. You can see the approximate attendances here http://www.costume-con.org/gallery2/main.php and click on one of the pictures for that year.

Is this a media convention?
No. But you will see various media costumes.

What kinds of costuming will I see at Costume-Con?

Everything from science fiction to historical to wearable art and everything in between. The costumes will be of original design, as well as recreations from film, TV, comics, books, etc. If you click that link above, you’ll get an idea of the range, although there are no shots of costumes worn in the halls.

Will I look out of place if I’m not wearing a costume all the time?

Not at all! People are not always in costume, because they like dressing comfortably, too. Everyone is welcome, whether they make costumes or not. We also have people who almost never wear costumes, but enjoy our art form – photographers, backstage crew and videographers, just to name a few.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2311 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: FAQ pt. 2
I don’t make costumes. Are purchased ones okay?

Certainly. People are always encouraged to wear costumes in the halls, but only a certain percentage of an outfit – usually an accessory (shoes, hat, purse, etc.) is allowed in the competitions.

Everyone looks like they’re so much better than me! Why should I bother?

Practically no one starts out as a “great” costumer – they have had to work at their craft for many years. And they are always interested in learning new techniques, even from a beginner.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2312 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: CC FAQ pt. 3
Is Costume-Con run by the International Costumers Guild?

No, although most times, members of an ICG chapter make up a Costume-Con committee. Actually, any costume-minded organization may bid to host a Costume-Con. The details are here: http://www.costume-con.org/constitution.shtml

What kinds of subjects are taught in the panels?

Every conference is different, but they might be about dyeing techniques, wing construction, hat making, corset construction, mask making, prop making, beadwork, or even a study of different glues, just to name a few. It all depends on who attends a particular CC and what knowledge they have that they are willing to share.

Are people paid to speak or given a free membership?

No. Everyone volunteers their time. One of the major purposes of this conference is to share knowledge.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2313 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: FAQ pt 4
Is there a list or schedule of panels I can look at, to see if I’d be interested?

As the current conference date approaches, check their site for a schedule. Also, some past CCs still have their sites up and have published their pocket programs.

Why is Costume-Con so expensive to attend?

Actually, the starting pre-registered membership rates for Costume-Cons are competitive with most large science-fiction and anime conventions these days, and continue to be, until you walk in the door. The advantage with a Costume-Con is its focus – it’s all about costuming, all the time.

Are there any special guest celebrities?

Not as such, although there are occasionally costume industry or ethnic costume speakers.

What is the Friday Night Social and what happens at it?

It’s basically a themed party. It’s the first chance for the conference membership to mix casually, catch up with friends they see only once a year, and meet new people. There may be a cash bar available, and there are usually light snacks. While dressing for the theme is encouraged, any kind of costume is welcome. Activities In the past have included dances, drawings for prizes, etc.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2314 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: CC FAQ pt. 5
What is the “Con Suite”?

Hosted by the conference committee, it’s in a hotel suite where members can sit and chat, maybe do a little sewing and have a snack. Hours of operation vary, and should be published in the conference program book, but it is generally open most of the weekend, except during the shows. After the masquerades, there are parties sponsored by future Costume-Con committees. At other times of the day, there may be breakfasts, brunches or other foods sponsored by other groups like Guild chapters or regional conventions that have their own masquerades. (By the way, it is not advised to rely on the Suite for all your food, but if you can’t leave the hotel because you’re getting ready for a competition or a panel, it’s a good place to seek something to tide you over.)

I’m shy, and I’m afraid no one will talk to me. What should I do?

Believe it or not, a sizeable number of costumers are just as shy as you are. Sadly, some people interpret that as coming across as “snobbish”. The best way to strike up a conversation with a costumer is ask to take their picture, or ask them how they made some part of their outfit. They’ll be more than happy to tell you, and flattered that you noticed them. Many long friendships have started that way.

What kinds of costumes are typically entered in the Fantasy & Science Fiction Masquerade?

This is your opportunity to let your creativity run wild! There have been monsters, mascots, vampires, demons, fairies, superheroes, cartoon characters and historical figures that have crossed the stage. The show is limited only by what your imagination can come up with. To see the past masquerade entries, go here: http://www.costume-con.org/gallery2/main.php. The International Costumers Gallery – https://costume.pixi.me/main.php?g2_itemId=116 – also has records of past CCs.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2315 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: CC FAQ pt 6
Can I wear my competition costume in the halls before I go on stage?
Wearing a competition costume before it is seen on stage is generally discouraged for a couple of reasons. First, you deprive the audience the delight of a collective “ooo!” and “ahh!” over your fabulous work when you take your turn. Second, you could prejudice the masquerade judges ahead of time if they happen to see you in the halls or checking out the wares in the Dealers Room earlier in the day.

I’ve heard that the masquerades have “Tech Rehearsals”. What are those?

This is a scheduled time during the day before the masquerade for meeting with the technical crew who run the masquerade lights and sound. You will find the sign up sheet at the Masquerade Director’s registration table. Generally speaking, you get about 5 – 8 minutes to show the crew how you will enter, explain any light or music crews you may have, and they make notes about the colors of your costume so that it is lit in the best way possible. Your actual stage movement should already have been planned out. You will probably get one or two opportunities to run through your presentation, and then you will be done.

What is the Skill Division system?

The easiest way to explain is it’s a system for protecting those who have little to no experience in costume presentation and workmanship from having to compete with those who have costumed for many years. For more explanation, have a look at the ICG Guidelines for Ensuring Fairness in Competitions: http://www.costume.org/documents/fai…6-05-2006.html

 

Group: runacc Message: 2316 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: CC FAQ pt 7
How do I know at what level I should enter at?

If the aforementioned document still leaves you unsure, contact the Masquerade Director, and they will be more than happy to help you.

I’ve heard something referred to as the “Green Room”. What’s that for?

Just like a theatrical Green Room, it is a staging area where the competing costumers meet to put on their outfits in preparation for their presentations. The Green Room is traditionally open 2 hours or more before the beginning of the masquerade. You are checked in by the Green Room Manager, who will assign you to a “den” of costumers where you can rest in chairs and put a small prop on a table.

Last minute preparations are normal, but everyone is encourage to be considerate of their fellow costumers by not actually constructing pieces that take up large amounts of room. Usually, light snacks are available for nervous nibblers, is as water. A good Green Room will also provide hand fans to keep people cool.

Once you have most, if not all of your costume put on, you will have an informal photo taken of you for the presentations judges who will be seated in front of the stage. This will serve as a mnemonic for them during deliberations. Typically, Workmanship judging takes place in some corner of the Green Room.

Once your costume is completely put on and ready to show, you will have an official Masquerade Photo taken. It is not only a record of your creation, but you will have the opportunity to purchase copies of the photo and any others of your fellow costumers.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2317 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: CC FAQ pt 7
I’ve seen mention of something called a “Den Mom”. What’s that?

Den moms and den dads are Green Room volunteers who are there to assist the competitors with their last minute preparations like putting on a head piece, zipping up dresses, etc. Often, these volunteers are costumers themselves, or experienced back stage helpers. Usually, one den mom or dad is assigned to 4 – 5 costumers or entries. A good den mom or dad will monitor their charges, checking to make sure they stay comfortable by bringing them water, or a snack or keep them cool with a hand fan. They may also lead the costumer to their backstage position before going before the audience. Without den moms and dads, there would be a lot of uncomfortable competitors!

Workmanship judging sounds intimidating. How does that work, and why should I bother?

Everyone is encouraged to submit to Workmanship judging. The judges are there to look for something which they believe should receive recognition of excellence – not to find what you did wrong. You can submit your whole costume, or just one specific item that you are proud of. If you had to buy a particular accessory that you couldn’t make yourself, you should make that known to the judge(s).

The judging usually takes place in the Green Room before the masquerade, but sometimes continues while the show is in progress. Contestants are allowed a few minutes to explain how they made their costumes, and the judges may ask specific questions about a particular piece. As a courtesy to their fellow costumers, entrants should be considerate of the judges’ time constraints so that everyone has a chance to submit their works.

Do I need to have documentation for my costume? What format should it be in?

If you are recreating a costume from a media source, you are strongly encouraged to bring some sort of documentation. Not only does it prove your accuracy, but if the judge is not familiar with the source, it may be the only way to judge its veracity.

Documentation can be as simple as a photo or photos that show the costume from various angles, or if it is an interpretation from a book, then a photocopy of that source. It is also strongly encouraged to present the documentation in printed form, so that a judge can refer to it later, if needed. Keep in mind, the judges will most likely have only a few minutes to read through your documentation while making their decisions. You can get more specifics from the individual Masquerade Director as to what is acceptable.

Are there any cash prizes?

Nope. Your only rewards are possibly a rosette ribbon and the applause and admiration of your peers.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2318 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: CC FAQ pt 8
I’ve heard some guild chapters give out their own awards. What’s that about?

Often times, before the official masquerade awards are announced, some ICG Guild chapters will present their own award to an entry. These include, but are not limited to:

The “Spazzy”, given by the New York/New Jersey Costumers Guild for the best presentation of sick and twisted humor.

The “Slattern”, presented by the St. Louis Costumers Guild, for the person or persons they feel had the most fun on stage.

The “Cement Overshoes”, presented by the Chicagoland Costumers Guild, to the person they would like most to take a long walk off a short pier, so that they can take the costumer’s stuff.

Basically, it’s a way to say, “Hey, we like what you did!”

 

Group: runacc Message: 2319 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: CC FAQ pt 9
What is the Future Fashion Folio?

It’s a fashion design competition which is judged and printed (hopefully) months before Costume-Con. Once the Folio is published, attendees of the convention can reserve one of the designs, make it and wear it in the Future Fashion Show.

How do you submit designs?

Think up a fashion design that might be worn in the future. It could be a uniform, a bridal dress, work clothes, sportswear, business wear, etc. Put it on paper and send it either by mail or email. For more tips and specifics, visit the Alley Cat Scratch website and the current CC website.

Do I have to be a member of the convention to participate in the Future Fashion Folio?

No. Anyone can enter. Those designers who are selected for the publication will receive an electronic copy of the Folio.

How are the designs judged?
It depends on the convention. Some CCs use a panel of judges, while others have used a group panel of Guild chapter members.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2320 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: CC FAQ pt 10
How can I enter when I can’t/don’t draw?

No problem! Go here: for some croquis (figure blank) that you can trace over with your fashion designs.

Will it be published online?

No.

Can I make up someone’s design, even though I can’t go to CC this year?
Ethically, you should seek permission from the designer.

Can I make up more than one design?

Yes, but ordinarily, you are only allowed to appear on stage in one design. You may, however, have someone model one of your others for you.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2321 From: Byron Connell Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: Re: The CC FAQ, PDQ, OK? LOL!

Good start!

Byron

On Jul 28, 2011, at 9:53 PM, Bruce wrote:

> Okay, enough of that.
>
> It’s been awhile, but I figured I’d better get this out there soon. I created the following FAQ on the Cosplay.com forum. The idea was not only to answer any questions they had over there, but also to catch any other questions that I hadn’t thought of when I started. My proposal is to post this on the CC.com site (which, as I’ve already posted seems to be missing at the moment).
>
> Everything You Wanted to Know About Costume-Con but Didn’t Know Who to Ask
>
> How many people attend Costume-Con?
> It varies from year to year, depending on where it’s held, but the average membership is between 225 � 300. You can see the approximate attendances here http://www.costume-con.org/gallery2/main.php and click on one of the pictures for that year.
>
> Is this a media convention?
> No. But you will see various media costumes.
>
> What kinds of costuming will I see at Costume-Con?
>
> Everything from science fiction to historical to wearable art and everything in between. The costumes will be of original design, as well as recreations from film, TV, comics, books, etc. If you click that link above, you’ll get an idea of the range, although there are no shots of costumes worn in the halls.
>
> Will I look out of place if I’m not wearing a costume all the time?
>
> Not at all! People are not always in costume, because they like dressing comfortably, too. Everyone is welcome, whether they make costumes or not. We also have people who almost never wear costumes, but enjoy our art form � photographers, backstage crew and videographers, just to name a few.
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2322 From: Byron Connell Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: Re: CC FAQ pt. 3

Under subjects, you might want to say something like “SF, fantasy, media, historical, and other types of costume.”

Byron

On Jul 28, 2011, at 9:56 PM, Bruce wrote:

> Is Costume-Con run by the International Costumers Guild?
>
> No, although most times, members of an ICG chapter make up a Costume-Con committee. Actually, any costume-minded organization may bid to host a Costume-Con. The details are here: http://www.costume-con.org/constitution.shtml
>
> What kinds of subjects are taught in the panels?
>
> Every conference is different, but they might be about dyeing techniques, wing construction, hat making, corset construction, mask making, prop making, beadwork, or even a study of different glues, just to name a few. It all depends on who attends a particular CC and what knowledge they have that they are willing to share.
>
> Are people paid to speak or given a free membership?
>
> No. Everyone volunteers their time. One of the major purposes of this conference is to share knowledge.
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2323 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: CC FAQ pt 11
What happens in the Future Fashion Show?

The format varies, but basically, it’s an informal fashion show. A picture of the design is projected on a screen while you walk on stage and a brief description is read from the Folio. It’s a much more relaxed event, with less emphasis on competition.

Are there awards?

Traditionally, there are two awards: one for the Best Recreation Made by the Designer, and Best Recreation by a Non-Designer.

What is the Single Pattern competition?

One or more (mostly) readily acquirable commercial patterns are selected to be made up. The competition is in the decoration, alteration and fabric selection for the pattern. Previous patterns used have been the Tibetan Panel Coat, vests, Drovers Coats, tuxedos and others.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2324 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: CC FAQ pt 12
Are there any other competitions?

Ordinarily, there is the Doll Costume contest. There have also been other competitions making and decorating hats, bras, and even – codpieces! It differs from one conference to the next.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2325 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: CC FAQ pt 13
What is the Historical Masquerade?

The Historical Masquerade showcases the history of clothing, which includes, but is not limited to, any one culture, period, or type of dress. It highlights creativity, scholarship, stage presentation, and workmanship skills in the context of historical clothing. There is some variance of what qualifies as “Historical Clothing”, but generally speaking, it is understood as something that would have been in fashion before the birth year of the entrant.

Each Costume-Con Historical Masquerade may be run slightly differently, but the usual entry categories are:
Theatrical Costume, Historical Dress and Historical Interpretation. Ethnic dress is another category that is not as restrictive, and can be either historical or modern day. There might be others.

Like the Science Fiction masquerade, entries are judged for Presentation and Workmanship. Since the Historical Masquerade traditionally takes place on Sunday evening, workmanship judging usually takes place during the day. Each convention is different in how it is handled – sometimes, the entrant comes in costume to a judging room and shows what they have done. At other conventions, the judges can come to the entrants hotel room, which many find more convenient and less stressful.

The third category for judging is Documentation. The format of the documentation doesn’t have to be term paper-dry – it is only limited by one’s creativity. The main purpose of documentation is to demonstrate the entrant’s knowledge of the outfit they will be presenting on stage. (This is also submitted prior to Workmanship judging).

For more information on judging, documentation creation, etc., contact the standing committee Historical Masquerade Director.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2326 From: Bruce Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: CC FAQ pt 14 – the last
Can my parents/friends/etc. come to see the shows?

Check with the conference committee – usually, there are accommodations for selling event tickets for the various masquerades.

I’ve heard there are no activities/panels scheduled opposite the shows. Why is that?
Everyone is either in one of the shows or watching them!

What kinds of things are sold in the Dealers Room?
It differs from year to year, but usually it is a mix of beading materials, costume accessories, costume-related books, hard to find patterns and jewelry.

This is supposed to be a 4 day conference. Why should I stay through Monday?

While programming is not all day, there are still things to do both at the conference and outside it. There are the panels, workshops and costume video presentations by the ICG Archives. Usually, there are opportunities for both guided and self-guided tours of the host city. Sometimes, conference members organize their own trips and activities. And at the end of the day, they all meet one more time in the Con Suite for the “Dead Dog Party”. It’s the last opportunity to relax and socialize before everyone makes their way home.

I’d like to volunteer. Who should I contact?

Check the website of the CC you want to help out with and contact the committee person in charge. They will gratefully accept any assistance in areas like Registration, stage ninjas, den moms, exhibits and other areas. Or, ask at Registration when you arrive.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2327 From: Byron Connell Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: Re: FAQ pt 4

Under cost, we are more expensive and should explain why. You might note that membership includes the cost of receiving the FFF, which is not found at SF or other types of cons. If there are there other things unique to a CC, they ought to be mentioned.

Byron

On Jul 28, 2011, at 9:58 PM, Bruce wrote:

> Is there a list or schedule of panels I can look at, to see if I’d be interested?
>
> As the current conference date approaches, check their site for a schedule. Also, some past CCs still have their sites up and have published their pocket programs.
>
>
> Why is Costume-Con so expensive to attend?
>
> Actually, the starting pre-registered membership rates for Costume-Cons are competitive with most large science-fiction and anime conventions these days, and continue to be, until you walk in the door. The advantage with a Costume-Con is its focus � it’s all about costuming, all the time.
>
> Are there any special guest celebrities?
>
> Not as such, although there are occasionally costume industry or ethnic costume speakers.
>
> What is the Friday Night Social and what happens at it?
>
> It’s basically a themed party. It’s the first chance for the conference membership to mix casually, catch up with friends they see only once a year, and meet new people. There may be a cash bar available, and there are usually light snacks. While dressing for the theme is encouraged, any kind of costume is welcome. Activities In the past have included dances, drawings for prizes, etc.
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2328 From: Byron Connell Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: Re: CC FAQ pt. 5

Maybe you should lead off the FAQ with the “I’m shy” item.

Byron

On Jul 28, 2011, at 10:04 PM, Bruce wrote:

> What is the “Con Suite”?
>
> Hosted by the conference committee, it’s in a hotel suite where members can sit and chat, maybe do a little sewing and have a snack. Hours of operation vary, and should be published in the conference program book, but it is generally open most of the weekend, except during the shows. After the masquerades, there are parties sponsored by future Costume-Con committees. At other times of the day, there may be breakfasts, brunches or other foods sponsored by other groups like Guild chapters or regional conventions that have their own masquerades. (By the way, it is not advised to rely on the Suite for all your food, but if you can’t leave the hotel because you’re getting ready for a competition or a panel, it’s a good place to seek something to tide you over.)
>
> I’m shy, and I’m afraid no one will talk to me. What should I do?
>
> Believe it or not, a sizeable number of costumers are just as shy as you are. Sadly, some people interpret that as coming across as “snobbish”. The best way to strike up a conversation with a costumer is ask to take their picture, or ask them how they made some part of their outfit. They’ll be more than happy to tell you, and flattered that you noticed them. Many long friendships have started that way.
>
> What kinds of costumes are typically entered in the Fantasy & Science Fiction Masquerade?
>
> This is your opportunity to let your creativity run wild! There have been monsters, mascots, vampires, demons, fairies, superheroes, cartoon characters and historical figures that have crossed the stage. The show is limited only by what your imagination can come up with. To see the past masquerade entries, go here: http://www.costume-con.org/gallery2/main.php. The International Costumers Gallery – https://costume.pixi.me/main.php?g2_itemId=116 – also has records of past CCs.
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2329 From: Byron Connell Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: Re: CC FAQ pt 7

You need to split the workmanship judging item into separate responses for SF masquerades and historical masquerades. Workmanship judging normally is not optional for a historical masquerade and usually occurs before the entrants come to the green room. Documentation also is mandatory. For a historical masquerade, you might want to note the difference between historical dress (from the skin out) and historical interpretation (“medieval velcro”).

Byron

On Jul 28, 2011, at 10:15 PM, Bruce wrote:

> I’ve seen mention of something called a “Den Mom”. What’s that?
>
> Den moms and den dads are Green Room volunteers who are there to assist the competitors with their last minute preparations like putting on a head piece, zipping up dresses, etc. Often, these volunteers are costumers themselves, or experienced back stage helpers. Usually, one den mom or dad is assigned to 4 � 5 costumers or entries. A good den mom or dad will monitor their charges, checking to make sure they stay comfortable by bringing them water, or a snack or keep them cool with a hand fan. They may also lead the costumer to their backstage position before going before the audience. Without den moms and dads, there would be a lot of uncomfortable competitors!
>
> Workmanship judging sounds intimidating. How does that work, and why should I bother?
>
> Everyone is encouraged to submit to Workmanship judging. The judges are there to look for something which they believe should receive recognition of excellence � not to find what you did wrong. You can submit your whole costume, or just one specific item that you are proud of. If you had to buy a particular accessory that you couldn’t make yourself, you should make that known to the judge(s).
>
> The judging usually takes place in the Green Room before the masquerade, but sometimes continues while the show is in progress. Contestants are allowed a few minutes to explain how they made their costumes, and the judges may ask specific questions about a particular piece. As a courtesy to their fellow costumers, entrants should be considerate of the judges’ time constraints so that everyone has a chance to submit their works.
>
> Do I need to have documentation for my costume? What format should it be in?
>
> If you are recreating a costume from a media source, you are strongly encouraged to bring some sort of documentation. Not only does it prove your accuracy, but if the judge is not familiar with the source, it may be the only way to judge its veracity.
>
> Documentation can be as simple as a photo or photos that show the costume from various angles, or if it is an interpretation from a book, then a photocopy of that source. It is also strongly encouraged to present the documentation in printed form, so that a judge can refer to it later, if needed. Keep in mind, the judges will most likely have only a few minutes to read through your documentation while making their decisions. You can get more specifics from the individual Masquerade Director as to what is acceptable.
>
> Are there any cash prizes?
>
> Nope. Your only rewards are possibly a rosette ribbon and the applause and admiration of your peers.
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2330 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: Re: CC FAQ pt 6

On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:07 PM, Bruce <casamai@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>
> I’ve heard that the masquerades have “Tech Rehearsals”. What are those?
>
> This is a scheduled time during the day before the masquerade for meeting
> with the technical crew who run the masquerade lights and sound. You will
> find the sign up sheet at the Masquerade Director’s registration table.
> Generally speaking, you get about 5 � 8 minutes to show the crew how you
> will enter, explain any light or music crews you may have, and they make
> notes about the colors of your costume so that it is lit in the best way
> possible. Your actual stage movement should already have been planned out.
> You will probably get one or two opportunities to run through your
> presentation, and then you will be done.
>
>
> There’s a bit of a technical problem with this question (explain any light

or music crews you may have?), and I’d mention that it is encouraged to
bring your costume so they can light it to your best advantage.

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Group: runacc Message: 2331 From: Byron Connell Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: Re: CC FAQ pt 13

Theatrical costume was unique to CC 29. Ethnic dress is the usual alternative to either historical dress or historical interpretation.

I suggest you say that judging is based on (1) workmanship, (2) documentation, and (3) stage presentation and that awards may be given in each category, as well as for the entry as a whole.

This could be another place to mention the difference between “from the skin out” and medieval velcro.”

Byron

On Jul 28, 2011, at 10:28 PM, Bruce wrote:

> What is the Historical Masquerade?
>
> The Historical Masquerade showcases the history of clothing, which includes, but is not limited to, any one culture, period, or type of dress. It highlights creativity, scholarship, stage presentation, and workmanship skills in the context of historical clothing. There is some variance of what qualifies as “Historical Clothing”, but generally speaking, it is understood as something that would have been in fashion before the birth year of the entrant.
>
> Each Costume-Con Historical Masquerade may be run slightly differently, but the usual entry categories are:
> Theatrical Costume, Historical Dress and Historical Interpretation. Ethnic dress is another category that is not as restrictive, and can be either historical or modern day. There might be others.
>
> Like the Science Fiction masquerade, entries are judged for Presentation and Workmanship. Since the Historical Masquerade traditionally takes place on Sunday evening, workmanship judging usually takes place during the day. Each convention is different in how it is handled � sometimes, the entrant comes in costume to a judging room and shows what they have done. At other conventions, the judges can come to the entrants hotel room, which many find more convenient and less stressful.
>
> The third category for judging is Documentation. The format of the documentation doesn’t have to be term paper-dry � it is only limited by one’s creativity. The main purpose of documentation is to demonstrate the entrant’s knowledge of the outfit they will be presenting on stage. (This is also submitted prior to Workmanship judging).
>
> For more information on judging, documentation creation, etc., contact the standing committee Historical Masquerade Director.
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2332 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 7/29/2011
Subject: Must have been temporary
Costume-Con.com came right up when I looked just now. The whole internet has
been weird lately.

YMMV.

-b




Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

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Group: runacc Message: 2333 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 7/29/2011
Subject: Re: CC FAQ’s
Some of these will come in handy for masquerades at other conventions!

Thanks for the list!

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2334 From: Byron Connell Date: 7/29/2011
Subject: Re: Must have been temporary

What must have been temporary?

Byron

On Jul 29, 2011, at 8:18 AM, Betsy Delaney wrote:

> Costume-Con.com came right up when I looked just now. The whole internet has
> been weird lately.
>
> YMMV.
>
> -b
>
> —
> —
> —
> Betsy Marks Delaney
>
> http://www.hawkeswood.com/
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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Group: runacc Message: 2335 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/29/2011
Subject: Re: Must have been temporary
Sure enough. Now, the countdown thing needs to be reset and pointed to
CC30.

Bruce

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Betsy Delaney
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 7:19 AM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: [runacc] Must have been temporary

Costume-Con.com came right up when I looked just now. The whole internet has
been weird lately.

YMMV.

-b




Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

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Group: runacc Message: 2336 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 7/30/2011
Subject: Temporary Costume-Con.com outage
Hi, Byron!

At the very top of the FAQ messages (which all, thankfully, came in one easy
to read digest), Bruce reported a web site outage. When I checked, the site
was back again. It happens from time to time. If it’s down for more than a
couple of hours, I report it to the hosting company. Otherwise, I just check
back in a couple of hours. Since I used to be on the receiving end of calls
like those, I tend to give the hosts a lot more slack than I used to.

YMMV.

Good job, by the way, Bruce!

I have some edit suggestions, but I’ve got three really big things that have
to be dealt with in the next couple of weeks. When you’ve gotten enough
feedback to adjust or add, would you resend the file, maybe in one piece?
I’d be happy to review and comment.

Thanks!

Betsy




Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

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Group: runacc Message: 2337 From: Tina Connell Date: 7/31/2011
Subject: Old FAQs
Way back at CC 18, I created a FAQ sheet for newbies. Of course, back then
we didn’t have all the new anime, etc. groups to welcome to our fold that we
do now, and the tech requirements have changed somewhat, but the overall
seems to hold up pretty well.

Tina

*Frequently Asked Questions: A brief primer for the new (and not-so-new)
costumer*
*

I’m new to this. I feel really nervous about…
*** *

… appearing in costume on stage.
*

A: We all had to start sometime. Yes, it can be scary going up on stage the
first few times. Probably, every person you see up there felt that way at
first (some of them who have been doing costumes for years *still* feel that
way), but try to remember that you’re among friends at this convention.
*

… talking to these strangers in costume, talking to experienced costumers
who may look down on me as a newbie, etc.
*

A: Costume fans are one of the friendliest groups of people around. Most of
them love to talk to other people about costuming and costumes, especially
their own costumes. On the other hand, don’t decide that someone is
terminally stuck-up if they don’t want to talk to you just then: they may be
on a serious sleep deficit, need caffeine or food desperately, be jet-lagged
and not feeling very functional, or they may just be really, seriously,
nervous about their presentation a bit later in the con and have a major set
of butterflies distracting them. Just as you sometimes don’t feel like
talking to people, you may also be catching the other person at a bad time.
*

… competing against more experienced costumers.
*

A: This is why the *Division system*** was created. What is the Division
system, you may ask? It is a means of separating the new or inexperienced
costumers from the more experienced costumers, *for purposes of judging*.
The judges (and audience) will recognize that a Novice costumer is likely to
have less experience, and (in some cases) less well honed skills than a
Journeyman, Craftsman, or Master costumer. Novices are judged in relation to
other Novices, Journeymen in relation to Journeymen, and so forth. A Novice
costume is *not* an inferior costume — on a number of occasions, Novice
costumes have won Best In Show, over costumes made and presented by
experienced Masters.
*

What do all of these things regarding the Masquerades/Competitions mean?
**

What is the tech (technical) rehearsal and why do I have to go to it?:
*

A: The *tech rehearsal*** is *very important* to you. At many larger
conventions, and *definitely* at WorldCon or Costume-Con, it is required for
all entrants. It ensures that you actually see the stage you will be
appearing on. Hopefully, you will also

A*walk*@ the stage, as well. If you have a “feel” for the space you will
have available, your presentation will look better, and you are less likely
to fall off the front, back or side of the stage — this is also a safety
factor.

The *”tech” crew*** *really* want to make you look good on stage.
Unfortunately, this is harder if they have no idea what you have in mind. By
going to the tech rehearsal, you will have a chance to explain to them what
you want to do in terms of sound (if you brought a sound effects tape),
lighting, and any other special effects they may have available. They may
even make suggestions that could make your costume or presentation look
better.

The *MC (Master of Ceremonies***/Narrator), who will be announcing your
costume, will also be there. You will have a chance to talk to him or her
about your presentation. If your costume introduction text has any exotic
words in it, you should plan to spell them out phonetically for the MC. Any
text you want read should be CLEARLY printed or typed.

Above all, no matter how much you want to surprise the audience and your
fellow costumers, *never*, *ever***, surprise the *masquerade director***.
He or she will not divulge anything about your planned presentation, but the
director needs to know about anything that may be unusual or potentially
unsafe. This includes things like flash powder, smoke bombs, fog machines,
stuff you plan to throw around on the stage, etc., as well as any unusual
props (accessories) or weapons, or unusual moves (such as leaping off the
stage). *Note*: throwing objects out at the judges and audience is a no-no!
*

What is the Green Room?
*

A: The Green Room is the backstage area where the contestants gather as they
prepare to go on stage. Check-in time usually is at least two hours before
the expected curtain time. The costumers can finish getting into their
costumes (if they haven

=t already done so in their rooms), test their props one last time, and
maybe put on or touch up their makeup. Contestants should *not*** bring
friends or family members (especially children) backstage, unless they are
also going to be on stage B the Green Room is chaotic enough as it is
without non-contestants milling about! Contestants are grouped in “dens,”
with a Den Mom or Den Dad, who helps the costumers in his or her group. This
may include helping you get into your costume, trying to calm jittery
nerves, fetching water/snacks for you if your costume is bulky or awkward to
get around in, and generally doing his/her best to make sure you are ready
to go on stage and look great! The *Green Room Manager*** is the overall
backstage person who keeps the chaos from getting out of hand. He or she
keeps track of which costumes have checked in (or not checked in yet), and
makes sure that the “dens” go up on stage in the proper sequence.

Also customary in the Green Room (at least at larger conventions) is a
Repair Table. It offers basic equipment to effect repairs to a costume which
has developed problems. It is not there for the purpose of
building/assembling/creating your costume — *it is only for repairs*.
Typically, the repair table offers needles, threads of various colors,
safety pins, bobby pins, hot glue guns, small hand tools such as pliers,
adhesives, tapes, string and wire, etc., and may also include a makeup
mirror and some basic makeup repair materials (again, this is for repairs or
touch-ups, not to create a full makeup job). For

(Over

)

health/sanitary reasons, you should plan to bring your own special colors of
lipstick and eye makeup. Sometimes the repair table person will have some
experience with stage makeup, but you cannot rely upon this for sure. Please
note: the equipment and supplies on the repair table are usually the *personal
property* of the person at the repair table, who has kindly donated the use
of them to the con; you should make every effort to return tools, etc. when
you are finished using them.
*

Stage
**

Aninjas@
**

*

will help you get on and off of the stage safely. If you hear someone out
there in the dark say *ASTOP!@*, or feel a slap on your leg or ankle as you
are about to leave the stage, you should *stop***. It probably means that
you aren=t lined up for the stairs and were about to fall off the stage,
because the lights were in your eyes. When you walk the stage during tech
rehearsal, check to see about how many steps you can take forward (or
backward) safely.
*

What is Workmanship Judging? Do I have to be judged for Workmanship?
*

A: The *workmanship judge* does exactly that. He or she gets “up close and
personal,” looking at the special details, such as applique, beadwork,
leather or metalwork, special design and construction of interest, and the
many other facets that comprise *superior*** workmanship on a costume. You
do not have to present yourself to the workmanship judge. However, if there
is some aspect of your costume that you feel exhibits special workmanship or
ingenuity on your part, this is your opportunity to have it recognized. You
do not need to have your entire costume judged for workmanship — you may
elect to have just a tiny facet of your costume judged — a beaded bodice, a
lovingly-hand-hammered breastplate, the cleverly designed mechanism you
invented to make your wings open and close, or the gloves or shoes you made
from scratch. If your costume is held together with spit and baling wire,
don’t even consider it! If there are bits of detail you are really proud of,
you definitely should give workmanship judging serious consideration.
*

What should I do about a sound track?
*

A: Hopefully, you already gave this some thought before you arrived at the
con. The perfect bit of music can help to “make” a so-so costume, just as a
poor choice of music can be jarring and may detract from an otherwise great
presentation. Preferably, your sound should be on tape, not CD, for ease of
cueing. It should not be recorded in “stereo” (right side different from
left side), as the sound system available may not be able to play both

Atracks@ — you might end up with a vital bit of your sound un-played. It
should be *clearly labeled* with your name and your costume’s title. It
should also be labeled “right side” and “wrong side”, so the tech knows
which side of the tape has your sound on — there=s nothing worse than going
out on stage expecting music or voice-over, only to find that your tape got
put in upside down because of poor labeling. (The easiest way to avoid this
is to record your sound on both sides of the tape.) The tape you hand in to
the masquerade director should be already cued-up (on the Aright@ side) to
the point at which you want it to start. It is best to start with a clean
tape, rather than taping over an old one (which could lead to embarrassing
bits of inappropriate sound-track). Put on it just what you need for your
presentation, rather than an entire song/piece of music, to also ensure that
what you *want* will be played. If your tape is properly labeled, it should
be easy to get it back to you after the masquerade. If you didn’t bring a
tape with you, sometimes “tech” can help you out — frequently, they have a
variety of suitable sound bits that they can play, if you work with them
(see “Tech Rehearsal,” above).
*

What’s all this about “Presentation”?
*

A: How you look and move on stage helps you show your costume to the
audience and judges, and helps to convey the costume

=s mood or story. Yes, you can just walk on stage, and then walk off the
other side, but this won=t show off the work you put into your costume (see
also, Tech Rehearsal – walking the stage). Your movements on stage should be
planned to let the judges and audience see the back of the costume as well
as the front, and show off any special decoration or details. At the very
least, plan to move in a circle on stage, to show the back and sides of your
costume as well as the front. Stay in character: if you’re a warrior, stomp;
if you’re a princess, be regal; if you=re a cat, slink and prowl. Your
movements will set the tone of your costume. Think of it as Amethod
acting.@One more thing — remember that the judges are sitting with
their eyes at
about the level of your ankles or knees B don=t forget to hem your costume
and wear appropriate footgear.
*

Why is there a time limit on stage?
*

A: It may not seem like it, but when you

=re up there on stage, a minute is a LOOONNNGGG time! Unless you have a
sizable group, it only takes half or three-quarters of a minute to do a
little Astage business@ and go off. The longer you stay on stage, the better
a Astory@ you should have your costume and presentation tell; if you bore
the audience/judges, you lose them. Dances or martial arts displays that go
on *forever* are booorrring! One of the sayings in costume fandom is Ashort
is good; funny is better; short and funny is best.@ While that isn=t always
the case (there are plenty of serious costumes), it does express the general
idea.
*

I just saw someone walk up to another costumer and say
**

AI hate you!!@ That doesn=t sound very friendly to me!
*

A: It may seem strange, but that phrase is one of the ultimate accolades in
costume fandom, along with

AYou=re *despicable*!!@ What it really means is AYou=ve got a killer costume
that I can=t possibly win against, and I should be jealous, but it=s SO
great that I love it!@ Costumers enjoy and respect a great costume and great
workmanship, even when it=s not their own B that=s what this is all about!

NOW, most important of all, go out and have FUN!!! Oh, and *don*

*=t forget to eat something and get some sleep!!*

**

*(Pasting this in seems to have introduced a couple of strange line breaks
that weren’t originally there — Tina)*
**
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Group: runacc Message: 2338 From: Nora Date: 8/1/2011
Subject: CC30 Nächster Mode Folioblatt
CC30 Nächster Mode Folioblatt
Guten abend, meine lieben Freunde! Heute ist 1. August und der termin für die Folio verbleiben 1. September 2011. Weniger als einen monat links bekommen die skizzen in!

For those of you who don’t speak German (like me, as you can tell) there’s only one month remaining to get those Folio sketches in – the deadline is September 1, 2011.

I’ve got just over 100 submissions so far – Yeah! But we all know I’m greedy, so more, more more!

Click on the link: http://costumecon30.com/folio.php for all the rules, regs & helpful hints!

Nora Mai
CC30 FFF Director

 

Group: runacc Message: 2339 From: Nora Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: One week! One week! One week!
OMG – the deadline for the Costume-Con 30 Future Fashion Folio is September 1, 2011.
And that’s only one week away. Thank the ghods you can email your submissions, right?

It’s not too late – click on the link: http://costumecon30.com/folio.php for all the rules, regs & helpful hints!

Nora Mai
CC30 FFF Director

 

Group: runacc Message: 2340 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 8/31/2011
Subject: CC site countdown clock
Ummm, is there some way, or someone that has access to that countdown clock?
First of all, it still says CC29, and second, it’s counting UP. Kinda
silly, really.

Bruce

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Group: runacc Message: 2341 From: Elaine Mami Date: 8/31/2011
Subject: Re: CC site countdown clock
That site is a mystery to me, too.Dora or Sandy, how did you folks get those sites corrected?

Elaine Nil significat nisi oscillat!

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: casamai@sbcglobal.net
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 06:13:28 -0500
Subject: [runacc] CC site countdown clock

Ummm, is there some way, or someone that has access to that countdown clock?

First of all, it still says CC29, and second, it’s counting UP. Kinda

silly, really.

Bruce

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Group: runacc Message: 2342 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 9/15/2011
Subject: A different kind of CC promotion idea
I think Maral posted this on FB a little while back:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3Q3ShwHrJw Really good stuff and
professional-looking. I’m wondering if we could find someone to give us the
same treatment? I could probably do it, if I had the equipment, but it
would take me a while to gear up, come up with an idea, etc. Not to
mention, this guy uses copyrighted music that has a disclaimer with each
one, but I have been leery about that for obvious reasons.

Would it work with our crowd?

Bruce

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Group: runacc Message: 2343 From: Martin Gear Date: 9/15/2011
Subject: Re: A different kind of CC promotion idea

Regarding the disclaimer –
He doesn’t have a legal leg to stand on, and given ASCAP’s current
policies I wouldn’t want to be in a position to be sued by them.
Marty

On 9/15/2011 9:45 PM, Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:
>
> I think Maral posted this on FB a little while back:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3Q3ShwHrJw Really good stuff and
> professional-looking. I’m wondering if we could find someone to give
> us the
> same treatment? I could probably do it, if I had the equipment, but it
> would take me a while to gear up, come up with an idea, etc. Not to
> mention, this guy uses copyrighted music that has a disclaimer with each
> one, but I have been leery about that for obvious reasons.
>
> Would it work with our crowd?
>
> Bruce
>
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>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2344 From: Kaijugal . Date: 9/15/2011
Subject: Re: A different kind of CC promotion idea
There are numerous, undiscovered, independent, artists who lend their work to these type of projects.

Ackson Lee, a local video maker here, has many great videos with these types of artists.
Example from Otakuthon in Montreal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xoEuvQrZtc

It could be an option.
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: casamai@sbcglobal.net
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 20:45:11 -0500
Subject: [runacc] A different kind of CC promotion idea

I think Maral posted this on FB a little while back:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3Q3ShwHrJw Really good stuff and

professional-looking. I’m wondering if we could find someone to give us the

same treatment? I could probably do it, if I had the equipment, but it

would take me a while to gear up, come up with an idea, etc. Not to

mention, this guy uses copyrighted music that has a disclaimer with each

one, but I have been leery about that for obvious reasons.

Would it work with our crowd?

Bruce

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Group: runacc Message: 2345 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 9/15/2011
Subject: Re: A different kind of CC promotion idea

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Nora & Bruce Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> I think Maral posted this on FB a little while back:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3Q3ShwHrJw Really good stuff and
> professional-looking. I’m wondering if we could find someone to give us
> the
> same treatment? I could probably do it, if I had the equipment, but it
> would take me a while to gear up, come up with an idea, etc. Not to
> mention, this guy uses copyrighted music that has a disclaimer with each
> one, but I have been leery about that for obvious reasons.
>
>
> Would it work with our crowd?
>
>
> Bruce
>
>

I don’t think it would hurt. It may not work as well if it doesn’t have at
least a few easily recognizable characters in it, though. That said, I love
the two examples posted, although they both had some skin-tastic costumes
they seemed to focus on costumes and faces and not T&A.

I have seriously toyed with filming a series of informative shorts at a
costume con one of these years to be kinda like a video Q&A for all the
unique things about a Costume Con: This is the Historical Masquerade, This
is the Future Fashion Show, etc. If I did that I’d also really try to do a
short retrospective on some CC history, ICG History, and
memories/recollections of costumers past for retrospectives. I think both
would be really worthwhile.

If I had a camera . . . and time 😛

I don’t think copyrighted music would be as big of a problem, there are
plenty of fandom-friendly bands we could hit up.

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Group: runacc Message: 2346 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 9/16/2011
Subject: Re: A different kind of CC promotion idea
The London 2014 WorldCon bid has done a commercial

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0P2I2R70-o

Michael

 

Group: runacc Message: 2347 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 9/17/2011
Subject: Re: A different kind of CC promotion idea

Aurora:

I’ve had some identical ideas to those you’ve mentioned. I’m gearing up
some of them now. My background from many, many years ago was in
broadcasting. So this kind of work is up my alley. I’ll be doing a lot of
productions in the next few years once I’ve got the majority of Archive
material ripped out to usable clips, but I’m open to more ideas and willing
to work with you on something. I’m already working on a informative promo
for CC30, a special retrospective to be shown (hopefully) before the SF masq
and a few other things for the future.

If the music sources Dawn and Aurora have mentioned are any indicator, then
there’s plenty of opportunity, although I wouldn’t even know where to start
on that score. I got a note back from the guy who did the DC vid, and he
acknowledged there’s not copyright protection. But, not surprisingly, when
you’re a low-traffic poster, you’re under the radar pretty much, and I
believe the first step is when a company complains to Youtube, they take you
down. <Shrug>. With my Archive work so far, I’m relying on royalty-free
music from a site that I donate money to. The guy also does commissions on
a sliding scale. I don’t know if he can put out the kind of music in the
anime vids or not, but I’m sure he’d give it a go.

As to the wider discussion of promotion, here’s more grist for the mill in
regards to music videos:

1. I think the audience target would be somewhat different, since our
community is made up of all ages. First question would be: Are we (the
community) “hip” enough, since this still would be targeted towards a
young(ish) online “market”? We have a good number of younger costumers, and
are attracting more, but there are a lot of us baby-boomers.

2. The approach would have to be somewhat different, because many costumes
at CC are of original design. That would affect the music choice,
certainly. And, the biggest appeal to those who consume the vids is
identifying their favorite characters brought to life. So we would have to
figure out how to “glamorize” (for lack of a better term) our costumers in a
way so that they have their own appeal. I like how, in the vid I posted,
there’s a little interaction between characters – the Harry Potter group is
a prime example. Most times, production is more like video portraits,
though. I would think our folks would need to do a little more shtick,
rather than be static.

3. I just wrote that vid guy back, questioning how he corrals that many
people for a shoot. Knowing how notoriously difficult it is to herd
costumer “cats”, nailing people down could be extraordinarily difficult.

4. The best way to see to get the kinds of shots needed, other than taking
people outside, might be to have a stage(d) approach instead. In other
words, shoot everything on stage. Not the most exciting background, but
some of that could be overcome by direction and camera angles. I’m sure
there are plenty of videos of, oh, say, fashion shows that could give cues
as to how to shoot. Maybe there are some anime con vids out there that do
that – I haven’t seen enough to really know, yet. I have an idea in my
head of one way to shoot a vid like this, but it would help to know what
people are bringing, ahead of time. But, it could also work through
creative improvisation, too. Kind of an interactive photo line, where each
entry briefly acknowledges the other as they enter or exit the stage.

Thoughts?

Bruce

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From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Aurora Celeste
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 10:12 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] A different kind of CC promotion idea

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Nora & Bruce Mai
<casamai@sbcglobal.net>wrote:

>

I don’t think it would hurt. It may not work as well if it doesn’t have at
least a few easily recognizable characters in it, though. That said, I love
the two examples posted, although they both had some skin-tastic costumes
they seemed to focus on costumes and faces and not T&A.

I have seriously toyed with filming a series of informative shorts at a
costume con one of these years to be kinda like a video Q&A for all the
unique things about a Costume Con: This is the Historical Masquerade, This
is the Future Fashion Show, etc. If I did that I’d also really try to do a
short retrospective on some CC history, ICG History, and
memories/recollections of costumers past for retrospectives. I think both
would be really worthwhile.

If I had a camera . . . and time 😛

I don’t think copyrighted music would be as big of a problem, there are
plenty of fandom-friendly bands we could hit up.

te: 09/15/11

 

Group: runacc Message: 2348 From: Elaine Mami Date: 9/17/2011
Subject: Re: A different kind of CC promotion idea
Bruce,

As I’m sure you’ve noticed, Carl always shot the entire stage. It’s really the only way to get the whole “message” of a costume entry cross.

Elaine
Nil significat nisi oscillat!

4. The best way to see to get the kinds of shots needed, other than taking
people outside, might be to have a stage(d) approach instead. In other
words, shoot everything on stage. Not the most exciting background, but
some of that could be overcome by direction and camera angles. I’m sure
there are plenty of videos of, oh, say, fashion shows that could give cues
as to how to shoot. Maybe there are some anime con vids out there that do
that – I haven’t seen enough to really know, yet. I have an idea in my
head of one way to shoot a vid like this, but it would help to know what
people are bringing, ahead of time. But, it could also work through
creative improvisation, too. Kind of an interactive photo line, where each
entry briefly acknowledges the other as they enter or exit the stage.

Thoughts?

Bruce

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Group: runacc Message: 2349 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair Date: 9/18/2011
Subject: Re: A different kind of CC promotion idea
Or, (shameless plug) make CC promotion a special category in the Video
masquerade/Film Festival

Kevin

 

Group: runacc Message: 2350 From: Elaine Mami Date: 9/18/2011
Subject: Re: A different kind of CC promotion idea
In that case, you get to tie the bell on the cat!!

Elaine
Nil significat nisi oscillat!

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: chair@cc26.org
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 00:09:04 -0700
Subject: Re: [runacc] A different kind of CC promotion idea

Or, (shameless plug) make CC promotion a special category in the Video
masquerade/Film Festival

Kevin

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Group: runacc Message: 2251 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion
Group: runacc Message: 2252 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion
Group: runacc Message: 2253 From: Margie Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
Group: runacc Message: 2254 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
Group: runacc Message: 2255 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
Group: runacc Message: 2256 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
Group: runacc Message: 2257 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: The Pups Fish Fry video! (was Post CC info for committees)
Group: runacc Message: 2258 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Re: The Pups Fish Fry video! (was Post CC info for committees)
Group: runacc Message: 2259 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion
Group: runacc Message: 2260 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
Group: runacc Message: 2261 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
Group: runacc Message: 2262 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
Group: runacc Message: 2263 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion
Group: runacc Message: 2264 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
Group: runacc Message: 2265 From: Nora Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
Group: runacc Message: 2266 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion
Group: runacc Message: 2267 From: Margie Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
Group: runacc Message: 2268 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
Group: runacc Message: 2269 From: Kevin Roche Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion
Group: runacc Message: 2270 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
Group: runacc Message: 2271 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
Group: runacc Message: 2272 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
Group: runacc Message: 2273 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
Group: runacc Message: 2274 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Another idea while our brains are working
Group: runacc Message: 2275 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Another idea while our brains are working
Group: runacc Message: 2276 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Another idea while our brains are working
Group: runacc Message: 2277 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
Group: runacc Message: 2278 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Another idea while our brains are working
Group: runacc Message: 2279 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Another idea while our brains are working
Group: runacc Message: 2280 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Another idea while our brains are working
Group: runacc Message: 2281 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Another idea while our brains are working
Group: runacc Message: 2282 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion
Group: runacc Message: 2283 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Another idea while our brains are working
Group: runacc Message: 2284 From: Elaine Sims Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
Group: runacc Message: 2285 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
Group: runacc Message: 2286 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: Re: Another idea while our brains are working
Group: runacc Message: 2287 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: lower the memberships? & newcomers!
Group: runacc Message: 2288 From: Nora Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: Re: Another idea while our brains are working
Group: runacc Message: 2289 From: Kevin Roche Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: Re: Another idea while our brains are working
Group: runacc Message: 2290 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: Re: Another idea while our brains are working
Group: runacc Message: 2291 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: Re: Another idea while our brains are working
Group: runacc Message: 2292 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 6/9/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion
Group: runacc Message: 2293 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/22/2011
Subject: Questions for former con chairs.
Group: runacc Message: 2294 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/22/2011
Subject: Re: Questions for former con chairs.
Group: runacc Message: 2295 From: Nora Date: 6/22/2011
Subject: Re: Questions for former con chairs.
Group: runacc Message: 2296 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 6/23/2011
Subject: Re: Questions for former con chairs.
Group: runacc Message: 2297 From: Margie Date: 6/24/2011
Subject: Re: Questions for former con chairs.
Group: runacc Message: 2298 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 6/29/2011
Subject: Names on Photographs, etc
Group: runacc Message: 2299 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/29/2011
Subject: Re: Names on Photographs, etc
Group: runacc Message: 2300 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/29/2011
Subject: Re: Names on Photographs, etc

 


 

Group: runacc Message: 2251 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion

Not ringing any bells, for me.
Marty

On 6/6/2011 8:00 AM, Betsy Delaney wrote:
>
> I have a totally vague recollection that Marty might have a copy if you
> don’t, Pierre. Trouble is, I don’t recall whether I saw the
> presentation and
> visualized it or saw it for real. Such a LONG time ago!
>
> -b
>
> On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Pierre & Sandy Pettinger <
> costumrs@radiks.net <mailto:costumrs%40radiks.net>> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > At 01:31 PM 6/4/2011, you wrote:
> >
> > I haven’t noticed it in the videos Carl has brought me, but I haven’t
> > been through everything yet. We should probably try to find it.
> >
> > Pierre
> >
> > —
> —
> —
> Betsy Marks Delaney
>
> http://www.hawkeswood.com/
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2252 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion

Ok, so let’s see if I remember this right: Something to do with shovels and
flashlights, or am I remembering this wrong? Was it a CC presentation or
TackyCon? (…which requires a separate explanation all on its own.)

B

On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Martin Gear <MartinGear@comcast.net> wrote:

>
>
> Not ringing any bells, for me.
> Marty
>
>
> On 6/6/2011 8:00 AM, Betsy Delaney wrote:
> >
> > I have a totally vague recollection that Marty might have a copy if you
> > don’t, Pierre. Trouble is, I don’t recall whether I saw the
> > presentation and
> > visualized it or saw it for real. Such a LONG time ago!
> >
> > -b
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Pierre & Sandy Pettinger <
> > costumrs@radiks.net <mailto:costumrs%40radiks.net>> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > At 01:31 PM 6/4/2011, you wrote:
> > >
> > > I haven’t noticed it in the videos Carl has brought me, but I haven’t
> > > been through everything yet. We should probably try to find it.
> > >
> > > Pierre
> > >
> > > —
> > —
> > —
> > Betsy Marks Delaney
> >
> > http://www.hawkeswood.com/
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>




Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 2253 From: Margie Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)

And around here (location of CC30), I think “Friendly Native Guide” would be interpreted more as “I live in this town, can I help you find something?”

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, osierhenry@… wrote:
>
> In a message dated 6/4/2011 5:41:07 PM Central Daylight Time,
> von_drago@… writes:
> > 2. Welcome Wagon – this one isn’t as finalized yet but basically it would
> > consist of a team of Native Guides who would guide newbies around the con,
> > explain things to them, look for lost souls, introduce the new folks to
> > the vets, etc.
> >
>
> I like this idea!
>
> > Haven’t got all the details together yet but the concept is to provide
> > new people with some folks who can help them find where they need to be,
> > explain jokes &references they don’t get, introduce them to folks with similar
> > interests… just help them wherever they can.
> > Kind of like a wandering den mom – a “Con Mom”.
>
> Good idea. Question: In this area, Con Mom is the person that is on staff
> that makes sure other staffers are alright, as in have eaten, slept, gone to
> the bathroom, etc. So, might another name be better, such as Friendly Native
> Guide? Just a question and an idea.
>
> Henry
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2254 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)

Not sold on any “title” yet – looking for suggestions since we want it to be useful & clear.

Henry – “Con Mom” like Den Mom was my thought, any other term that might imply that?
Marge (Or is ti Margie, which do you prefer?) – “Native Guide” does seem a little more like a geographic local when I’m trying to imply familiarity with the con not neccessarily the area. Although it’d be great if at least one of these folks was local so we could help with shopping, sight-seeing & eating suggestions as well. What else infers – “I know what I’m doing at this con”?

Nora

— On Mon, 6/6/11, Margie <marg1066@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Margie <marg1066@gmail.com>
Subject: [runacc] Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, June 6, 2011, 10:08 AM

And around here (location of CC30), I think “Friendly Native Guide” would be interpreted more as “I live in this town, can I help you find something?”

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, osierhenry@… wrote:
>
> In a message dated 6/4/2011 5:41:07 PM Central Daylight Time,
> von_drago@… writes:
> > 2. Welcome Wagon – this one isn’t as finalized yet but basically it would
> > consist of a team of Native Guides who would guide newbies around the con,
> > explain things to them, look for lost souls, introduce the new folks to
> > the vets, etc.
> >
>
> I like this idea!
>
> > Haven’t got all the details together yet but the concept is to provide
> > new people with some folks who can help them find where they need to be,
> > explain jokes &references they don’t get, introduce them to folks with similar
> > interests… just help them wherever they can.
> > Kind of like a wandering den mom – a “Con Mom”.
>
> Good idea. Question: In this area, Con Mom is the person that is on staff
> that makes sure other staffers are alright, as in have eaten, slept, gone to
> the bathroom, etc. So, might another name be better, such as Friendly Native
> Guide? Just a question and an idea.
>
> Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2255 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)

Combine them – Con Guide

On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Bruce & Nora Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> Not sold on any “title” yet – looking for suggestions since we want it to
> be useful & clear.
>
> Henry – “Con Mom” like Den Mom was my thought, any other term that might
> imply that?
> Marge (Or is ti Margie, which do you prefer?) – “Native Guide” does seem a
> little more like a geographic local when I’m trying to imply familiarity
> with the con not neccessarily the area. Although it’d be great if at least
> one of these folks was local so we could help with shopping, sight-seeing &
> eating suggestions as well. What else infers – “I know what I’m doing at
> this con”?
>
> Nora
>
> — On Mon, 6/6/11, Margie <marg1066@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Margie <marg1066@gmail.com>
> Subject: [runacc] Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, June 6, 2011, 10:08 AM
>
>
> And around here (location of CC30), I think “Friendly Native Guide” would
> be interpreted more as “I live in this town, can I help you find something?”
>
>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, osierhenry@… wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 6/4/2011 5:41:07 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > von_drago@… writes:
> > > 2. Welcome Wagon – this one isn’t as finalized yet but basically it
> would
> > > consist of a team of Native Guides who would guide newbies around the
> con,
> > > explain things to them, look for lost souls, introduce the new folks to
> > > the vets, etc.
> > >
> >
> > I like this idea!
> >
> > > Haven’t got all the details together yet but the concept is to provide
> > > new people with some folks who can help them find where they need to
> be,
> > > explain jokes &references they don’t get, introduce them to folks with
> similar
> > > interests… just help them wherever they can.
> > > Kind of like a wandering den mom – a “Con Mom”.
> >
> > Good idea. Question: In this area, Con Mom is the person that is on staff
> > that makes sure other staffers are alright, as in have eaten, slept, gone
> to
> > the bathroom, etc. So, might another name be better, such as Friendly
> Native
> > Guide? Just a question and an idea.
> >
> > Henry
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo!
> Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2256 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)

Nah. Too logical ;P
Actually, that’s the best idea I’ve seen so far. Thanks, Aurora!

Elaine
CC 30 Comfy Chair

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: auroraceleste@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 11:17:11 -0400
Subject: Re: [runacc] Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)

Combine them – Con Guide

On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Bruce & Nora Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> Not sold on any “title” yet – looking for suggestions since we want it to
> be useful & clear.
>
> Henry – “Con Mom” like Den Mom was my thought, any other term that might
> imply that?
> Marge (Or is ti Margie, which do you prefer?) – “Native Guide” does seem a
> little more like a geographic local when I’m trying to imply familiarity
> with the con not neccessarily the area. Although it’d be great if at least
> one of these folks was local so we could help with shopping, sight-seeing &
> eating suggestions as well. What else infers – “I know what I’m doing at
> this con”?
>
> Nora
>
> — On Mon, 6/6/11, Margie <marg1066@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Margie <marg1066@gmail.com>
> Subject: [runacc] Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, June 6, 2011, 10:08 AM
>
>
> And around here (location of CC30), I think “Friendly Native Guide” would
> be interpreted more as “I live in this town, can I help you find something?”
>
>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, osierhenry@… wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 6/4/2011 5:41:07 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > von_drago@… writes:
> > > 2. Welcome Wagon – this one isn’t as finalized yet but basically it
> would
> > > consist of a team of Native Guides who would guide newbies around the
> con,
> > > explain things to them, look for lost souls, introduce the new folks to
> > > the vets, etc.
> > >
> >
> > I like this idea!
> >
> > > Haven’t got all the details together yet but the concept is to provide
> > > new people with some folks who can help them find where they need to
> be,
> > > explain jokes &references they don’t get, introduce them to folks with
> similar
> > > interests… just help them wherever they can.
> > > Kind of like a wandering den mom – a “Con Mom”.
> >
> > Good idea. Question: In this area, Con Mom is the person that is on staff
> > that makes sure other staffers are alright, as in have eaten, slept, gone
> to
> > the bathroom, etc. So, might another name be better, such as Friendly
> Native
> > Guide? Just a question and an idea.
> >
> > Henry
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo!
> Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 2257 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: The Pups Fish Fry video! (was Post CC info for committees)

Actually, Betsy, it was a “telethon,” called “The Fish Fry,” with D. Jeanette Holloman as the costume-deprived recipient of all of our attention, and more fish puns than anyone needs. I was the well known TV interviewer, Baba Wawa! We even had a news stream (Loooooong roll of paper on 2 rolling pins) running across the bottom of the scene throughout. Oh, and we announced a serious sequin recall, with a lot # about a bazillion digits long, to be seen on the back of each sequin!
and there was a song :/
Carl filmed it, and he must still have it. I’ll check.

Elaine
Nil significat nisi oscillat!

> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: aramintamd@gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 10:38:57 -0400
> Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion
>
> Ok, so let’s see if I remember this right: Something to do with shovels and
> flashlights, or am I remembering this wrong? Was it a CC presentation or
> TackyCon? (…which requires a separate explanation all on its own.)
>
> B
>
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Martin Gear <MartinGear@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Not ringing any bells, for me.
> > Marty
> >
> >
> > On 6/6/2011 8:00 AM, Betsy Delaney wrote:
> > >
> > > I have a totally vague recollection that Marty might have a copy if you
> > > don’t, Pierre. Trouble is, I don’t recall whether I saw the
> > > presentation and
> > > visualized it or saw it for real. Such a LONG time ago!
> > >
> > > -b
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Pierre & Sandy Pettinger <
> > > costumrs@radiks.net <mailto:costumrs%40radiks.net>> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 01:31 PM 6/4/2011, you wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I haven’t noticed it in the videos Carl has brought me, but I haven’t
> > > > been through everything yet. We should probably try to find it.
> > > >
> > > > Pierre
> > > >
> > > > —
> > > —
> > > —
> > > Betsy Marks Delaney
> > >
> > > http://www.hawkeswood.com/
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> —
> —
> —
> Betsy Marks Delaney
>
> http://www.hawkeswood.com/
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2258 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Re: The Pups Fish Fry video! (was Post CC info for committees)

Ok, I don’t remember this at all (not even hearing about it).

Thanks!

-b

On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Elaine Mami <ecmami@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>
> Actually, Betsy, it was a “telethon,” called “The Fish Fry,” with D.
> Jeanette Holloman as the costume-deprived recipient of all of our attention,
> and more fish puns than anyone needs. I was the well known TV interviewer,
> Baba Wawa! We even had a news stream (Loooooong roll of paper on 2 rolling
> pins) running across the bottom of the scene throughout. Oh, and we
> announced a serious sequin recall, with a lot # about a bazillion digits
> long, to be seen on the back of each sequin!
> and there was a song :/
> Carl filmed it, and he must still have it. I’ll check.
>
> Elaine
> Nil significat nisi oscillat!
>
> —


Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 2259 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion

The only flashlights that I remember were from TackyCon, and by this
time, TackyCon is probably best left to the memories of those of us who
were there.
Marty

On 6/6/2011 10:38 AM, Betsy Delaney wrote:
> Ok, so let’s see if I remember this right: Something to do with shovels and
> flashlights, or am I remembering this wrong? Was it a CC presentation or
> TackyCon? (…which requires a separate explanation all on its own.)
>
> B
>
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Martin Gear<MartinGear@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Not ringing any bells, for me.
>> Marty
>>
>>
>> On 6/6/2011 8:00 AM, Betsy Delaney wrote:
>>> I have a totally vague recollection that Marty might have a copy if you
>>> don’t, Pierre. Trouble is, I don’t recall whether I saw the
>>> presentation and
>>> visualized it or saw it for real. Such a LONG time ago!
>>>
>>> -b
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Pierre& Sandy Pettinger<
>>> costumrs@radiks.net<mailto:costumrs%40radiks.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> At 01:31 PM 6/4/2011, you wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I haven’t noticed it in the videos Carl has brought me, but I haven’t
>>>> been through everything yet. We should probably try to find it.
>>>>
>>>> Pierre
>>>>
>>>> —
>>> —
>>> —
>>> Betsy Marks Delaney
>>>
>>> http://www.hawkeswood.com/
>>>
>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>
>>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2260 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)

“CostumeCon Old Fart”???
Marty (who are one)

On 6/6/2011 11:14 AM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
>
> <snip> I’m trying to imply familiarity with the con not neccessarily
> the area. Although it’d be great if at least one of these folks was
> local so we could help with shopping, sight-seeing & eating
> suggestions as well. What else infers – “I know what I’m doing at this
> con”?
>
> Nora
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2261 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)

CostumeCon Know-It-All?

At any rate, we will have locals available to give all of that local info. There will be restaurant and shopping listings, along with their locations in relation to the con. That much we can promise.

What to call the Smart @$$ Old Pharts is another animal entirely.

Elaine
Whose brain is currently OTL

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: MartinGear@comcast.net
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 15:08:38 -0400
Subject: Re: [runacc] Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)

“CostumeCon Old Fart”???
Marty (who are one)

On 6/6/2011 11:14 AM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
>
> <snip> I’m trying to imply familiarity with the con not neccessarily
> the area. Although it’d be great if at least one of these folks was
> local so we could help with shopping, sight-seeing & eating
> suggestions as well. What else infers – “I know what I’m doing at this
> con”?
>
> Nora
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2262 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)

I know what I’m doing at this con!?! That’s a pretty high bar that would exclude me for most CCs.

Byron 🙂

On Jun 6, 2011, at 11:14 AM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> Not sold on any “title” yet – looking for suggestions since we want it to be useful & clear.
>
> Henry – “Con Mom” like Den Mom was my thought, any other term that might imply that?
> Marge (Or is ti Margie, which do you prefer?) – “Native Guide” does seem a little more like a geographic local when I’m trying to imply familiarity with the con not neccessarily the area. Although it’d be great if at least one of these folks was local so we could help with shopping, sight-seeing & eating suggestions as well. What else infers – “I know what I’m doing at this con”?
>
> Nora
>
> — On Mon, 6/6/11, Margie <marg1066@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Margie <marg1066@gmail.com>
> Subject: [runacc] Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, June 6, 2011, 10:08 AM
>
> And around here (location of CC30), I think “Friendly Native Guide” would be interpreted more as “I live in this town, can I help you find something?”
>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, osierhenry@… wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 6/4/2011 5:41:07 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > von_drago@… writes:
> > > 2. Welcome Wagon – this one isn’t as finalized yet but basically it would
> > > consist of a team of Native Guides who would guide newbies around the con,
> > > explain things to them, look for lost souls, introduce the new folks to
> > > the vets, etc.
> > >
> >
> > I like this idea!
> >
> > > Haven’t got all the details together yet but the concept is to provide
> > > new people with some folks who can help them find where they need to be,
> > > explain jokes &references they don’t get, introduce them to folks with similar
> > > interests… just help them wherever they can.
> > > Kind of like a wandering den mom – a “Con Mom”.
> >
> > Good idea. Question: In this area, Con Mom is the person that is on staff
> > that makes sure other staffers are alright, as in have eaten, slept, gone to
> > the bathroom, etc. So, might another name be better, such as Friendly Native
> > Guide? Just a question and an idea.
> >
> > Henry
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2263 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion

We have a copy of the VHS tape of TackyCon ’93.

Byron

On Jun 6, 2011, at 3:06 PM, Martin Gear wrote:

> The only flashlights that I remember were from TackyCon, and by this
> time, TackyCon is probably best left to the memories of those of us who
> were there.
> Marty
>
> On 6/6/2011 10:38 AM, Betsy Delaney wrote:
> > Ok, so let’s see if I remember this right: Something to do with shovels and
> > flashlights, or am I remembering this wrong? Was it a CC presentation or
> > TackyCon? (…which requires a separate explanation all on its own.)
> >
> > B
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Martin Gear<MartinGear@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Not ringing any bells, for me.
> >> Marty
> >>
> >>
> >> On 6/6/2011 8:00 AM, Betsy Delaney wrote:
> >>> I have a totally vague recollection that Marty might have a copy if you
> >>> don’t, Pierre. Trouble is, I don’t recall whether I saw the
> >>> presentation and
> >>> visualized it or saw it for real. Such a LONG time ago!
> >>>
> >>> -b
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Pierre& Sandy Pettinger<
> >>> costumrs@radiks.net<mailto:costumrs%40radiks.net>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> At 01:31 PM 6/4/2011, you wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I haven’t noticed it in the videos Carl has brought me, but I haven’t
> >>>> been through everything yet. We should probably try to find it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Pierre
> >>>>
> >>>> —
> >>> —
> >>> —
> >>> Betsy Marks Delaney
> >>>
> >>> http://www.hawkeswood.com/
> >>>
> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>>
> >>>
> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2264 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)

That one, I like!

Byron

On Jun 6, 2011, at 3:08 PM, Martin Gear wrote:

> “CostumeCon Old Fart”???
> Marty (who are one)
>
> On 6/6/2011 11:14 AM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
> >
> > <snip> I’m trying to imply familiarity with the con not neccessarily
> > the area. Although it’d be great if at least one of these folks was
> > local so we could help with shopping, sight-seeing & eating
> > suggestions as well. What else infers – “I know what I’m doing at this
> > con”?
> >
> > Nora
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2265 From: Nora Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)

lol – I’d have to agree! “I know what I’m doing” is kind of a scary statement usually reserved for right before one does something that destroys half the city’s power grid.

Nora

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Byron Connell <byronpconnell@…> wrote:
>
> I know what I’m doing at this con!?! That’s a pretty high bar that would exclude me for most CCs.
>
> Byron 🙂
>
>
> On Jun 6, 2011, at 11:14 AM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
>
> > Not sold on any “title” yet – looking for suggestions since we want it to be useful & clear.
> >
> > Henry – “Con Mom” like Den Mom was my thought, any other term that might imply that?
> > Marge (Or is ti Margie, which do you prefer?) – “Native Guide” does seem a little more like a geographic local when I’m trying to imply familiarity with the con not neccessarily the area. Although it’d be great if at least one of these folks was local so we could help with shopping, sight-seeing & eating suggestions as well. What else infers – “I know what I’m doing at this con”?
> >
> > Nora
> >
> > — On Mon, 6/6/11, Margie <marg1066@…> wrote:
> >
> > From: Margie <marg1066@…>
> > Subject: [runacc] Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
> > To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Monday, June 6, 2011, 10:08 AM
> >
> > And around here (location of CC30), I think “Friendly Native Guide” would be interpreted more as “I live in this town, can I help you find something?”
> >
> > — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, osierhenry@ wrote:
> > >
> > > In a message dated 6/4/2011 5:41:07 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > > von_drago@ writes:
> > > > 2. Welcome Wagon – this one isn’t as finalized yet but basically it would
> > > > consist of a team of Native Guides who would guide newbies around the con,
> > > > explain things to them, look for lost souls, introduce the new folks to
> > > > the vets, etc.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I like this idea!
> > >
> > > > Haven’t got all the details together yet but the concept is to provide
> > > > new people with some folks who can help them find where they need to be,
> > > > explain jokes &references they don’t get, introduce them to folks with similar
> > > > interests… just help them wherever they can.
> > > > Kind of like a wandering den mom – a “Con Mom”.
> > >
> > > Good idea. Question: In this area, Con Mom is the person that is on staff
> > > that makes sure other staffers are alright, as in have eaten, slept, gone to
> > > the bathroom, etc. So, might another name be better, such as Friendly Native
> > > Guide? Just a question and an idea.
> > >
> > > Henry
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2266 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion

Depends on the Tackycon. I seem to recall there is one in the Archives here
(you might have given it to us), that might be the one you’re referring to.
I’ve not watched it, nor do I believe it’s been digitized yet.

Bruce

“Our Hobby – Our History”

Assistant Archivist, Pat & Peggy Kennedy Memorial Library

IC Gallery Admin

https://costume.pixi.me/main.php

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Martin Gear
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 2:06 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for
newcomer inclusion

The only flashlights that I remember were from TackyCon, and by this
time, TackyCon is probably best left to the memories of those of us who
were there.
Marty

On 6/6/2011 10:38 AM, Betsy Delaney wrote:
> Ok, so let’s see if I remember this right: Something to do with shovels
and
> flashlights, or am I remembering this wrong? Was it a CC presentation or
> TackyCon? (…which requires a separate explanation all on its own.)
>
> B
>
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Martin Gear<MartinGear@comcast.net>
wrote:
>
>>
>> Not ringing any bells, for me.
>> Marty
>>
>>
>> On 6/6/2011 8:00 AM, Betsy Delaney wrote:
>>> I have a totally vague recollection that Marty might have a copy if you
>>> don’t, Pierre. Trouble is, I don’t recall whether I saw the
>>> presentation and
>>> visualized it or saw it for real. Such a LONG time ago!
>>>
>>> -b
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Pierre& Sandy Pettinger<
>>> costumrs@radiks.net<mailto:costumrs%40radiks.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> At 01:31 PM 6/4/2011, you wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I haven’t noticed it in the videos Carl has brought me, but I haven’t
>>>> been through everything yet. We should probably try to find it.
>>>>
>>>> Pierre
>>>>
>>>> —
>>> —
>>> —
>>> Betsy Marks Delaney
>>>
>>> http://www.hawkeswood.com/
>>>
>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>
>>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>>
>
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Group: runacc Message: 2267 From: Margie Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)

I like “Convention Guide” for ribbons.

As for my name — I love to try to clear this up, although it never holds for long.

My name is Margaret, but I also go by Margie & Marg. [NONE of these words has a “soft g” sound, like a J… all have the “hard g” sound.] Because Margie and Marg are unusual, and as such forgettable, if you can’t remember them, feel free to call me Margaret… cuz pretty much everyone knows how to say that.

I am never “Marge” — I hate that name, and saying it in front of me pretty much guarantees I will try to correct it. 🙂

All that said, good luck. 🙂

Btw, I was hopeful that once the “pronunciation” trail was blazed by Marg Helgenberger of CSI (and prior to that, China Beach), life as “Marg” would be easier. But while most people would recognize her face, they still don’t know her name. (drat)

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Bruce & Nora Mai <casamai@…> wrote:
>
> Marge (Or is ti Margie, which do you prefer?) – “Native Guide” does seem a little more like a geographic local when I’m trying to imply familiarity with the con not neccessarily the area. Although it’d be great if at least one of these folks was local so we could help with shopping, sight-seeing & eating suggestions as well. What else infers – “I know what I’m doing at this con”?
> �
> Nora
>
> — On Mon, 6/6/11, Margie <marg1066@…> wrote:
>
>
> From: Margie <marg1066@…>
> Subject: [runacc] Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, June 6, 2011, 10:08 AM
>
>
> And around here (location of CC30), I think “Friendly Native Guide” would be interpreted more as “I live in this town, can I help you find something?”
>
>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, osierhenry@ wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 6/4/2011 5:41:07 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > von_drago@ writes:
> > > 2. Welcome Wagon – this one isn’t as finalized yet but basically it would
> > > consist of a team of Native Guides who would guide newbies around the con,
> > > explain things to them, look for lost souls, introduce the new folks to
> > > the vets, etc.
> > >
> >
> > I like this idea!
> >
> > > Haven’t got all the details together yet but the concept is to provide
> > > new people with some folks who can help them find where they need to be,
> > > explain jokes &references they don’t get, introduce them to folks with similar
> > > interests… just help them wherever they can.
> > > Kind of like a wandering den mom – a “Con Mom”.
> >
> > Good idea. Question: In this area, Con Mom is the person that is on staff
> > that makes sure other staffers are alright, as in have eaten, slept, gone to
> > the bathroom, etc. So, might another name be better, such as Friendly Native
> > Guide? Just a question and an idea.
> >
> > Henry
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2268 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)

Best laugh ALL morning!

-b

On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 10:18 PM, Nora <von_drago@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
> lol – I’d have to agree! “I know what I’m doing” is kind of a scary
> statement usually reserved for right before one does something that destroys
> half the city’s power grid.
>
> Nora
>



Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

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Group: runacc Message: 2269 From: Kevin Roche Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion

There was also a Tackycon West, held at the rec center at Fran Evan’s
complex, as I recall. I came as the costumers’ superhero, SuperGlue. I
recall grossing out some annoying “V” fans by eating gummi worms with
quacamole.

I *don’t* know if there is video from its masquerade.

Kevin

On 6/7/2011 5:16 AM, Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:
>
> Depends on the Tackycon. I seem to recall there is one in the Archives
> here
> (you might have given it to us), that might be the one you’re
> referring to.
> I’ve not watched it, nor do I believe it’s been digitized yet.
>
> Bruce
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2270 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)

In a message dated 6/6/2011 10:14:28 AM Central Daylight Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> Not sold on any “title” yet – looking for suggestions since we want it to
> be useful &clear.
>
> “Native Guide” does seem a little more like a geographic local when I’m
> trying to imply familiarity with the con not neccessarily the area.
>
>
>

Ah! My brain says there is a name for that. I just can’t think of it. All I
can think of is the title the character Julie had on the Love Boat series.

I do think F.N.G.’s and Friendly Con Guides are both good ideas.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2271 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)

In a message dated 6/6/2011 6:45:14 PM Central Daylight Time,
byronpconnell@gmail.com writes:

> I know what I’m doing at this con!?! That’s a pretty high bar that would
> exclude me for most CCs.

Byron,
You would be a great person for noobs to go to for guidance!
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2272 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)

Cruise Director – and that is one of the examples I was using when I was tossing around ideas.
Not sure that title would work. Or her alternative “Activities Director”.

Nora

— On Tue, 6/7/11, osierhenry@cs.com <osierhenry@cs.com> wrote:

From: osierhenry@cs.com <osierhenry@cs.com>
Subject: Re: [runacc] Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 7, 2011, 3:40 PM

In a message dated 6/6/2011 10:14:28 AM Central Daylight Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:
> Not sold on any “title” yet – looking for suggestions since we want it to
> be useful &clear.
>
> “Native Guide” does seem a little more like a geographic local when I’m
> trying to imply familiarity with the con not neccessarily the area.
>
>
>
Ah! My brain says there is a name for that. I just can’t think of it. All I
can think of is the title the character Julie had on the Love Boat series.

I do think F.N.G.’s and Friendly Con Guides are both good ideas.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2273 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)

In a message dated 6/7/2011 8:50:32 AM Central Daylight Time,
marg1066@gmail.com writes:

> I like “Convention Guide” for ribbons.
>

That would work! And, if a quantity would be made, CC’s from next year
forward could keep using them. “If you need general assistance at the con, look
for someone with an orange ribbon that says Con Guide.” As an example.

> As for my name — I love to try to clear this up, although it never holds
> for long.
>
> My name is Margaret, but I also go by Margie &Marg.
>
>
>

That will cause a bit of confusion. Mind if we call you Bruce, just to make
it easy? ;p

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2274 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Another idea while our brains are working
Hello!
While at CC this year, I thought that it might be handy for those of
us who have run or worked a CC before to make a list of Good Advice things.
Like “Feed your Judges and Tech Crew.”
I would be glad to compile the list from everyone’s input.
Let me know what you think.
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2275 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Another idea while our brains are working
I would appreciate that! Although we have already been compiling something of the sort, I’m certain we will miss something.
#1 Make sure the chair is fed and watered! And gets a few minutes’ rest each day ;P

We are already planning on feeding tech, too, in the con suite.

Elaine
Nil significat nisi oscillat!

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: osierhenry@cs.com
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 17:13:42 -0400
Subject: [runacc] Another idea while our brains are working

Hello!
While at CC this year, I thought that it might be handy for those of
us who have run or worked a CC before to make a list of Good Advice things.
Like “Feed your Judges and Tech Crew.”
I would be glad to compile the list from everyone’s input.
Let me know what you think.
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2276 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Another idea while our brains are working
and make sure the mc is considered part of tech. Anime north is the only times I
as mc have ever gotten dinner/snacks or anything in the midst of all of it,
especially at cc, the mc works almost as long as tech, and waaay longer than the
judges
Gravely MacCabre
http://www.castleblood.com
http://facebook.com/gravelymaccabre
http://etsy.com/shops/gravelymaccabre

tv show clip samples at
http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood

________________________________
From: Elaine Mami <ecmami@hotmail.com>
To: Betsy D <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, June 7, 2011 5:20:48 PM
Subject: RE: [runacc] Another idea while our brains are working

I would appreciate that!  Although we have already been compiling something of
the sort, I’m certain we will miss something.
#1  Make sure the chair is fed and watered!  And gets a few minutes’ rest each
day ;P

We are already planning on feeding tech, too, in the con suite.

Elaine
Nil significat nisi oscillat!

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: osierhenry@cs.com
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 17:13:42 -0400
Subject: [runacc] Another idea while our brains are working

Hello!
While at CC this year, I thought that it might be handy for those of
us who have run or worked a CC before to make a list of Good Advice things.
Like “Feed your Judges and Tech Crew.”
I would be glad to compile the list from everyone’s input.
Let me know what you think.
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2277 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)

The idea has always been to use them again. If we get the idea solid then it can just continue from con to con with a little pamphlet of FAQs & newbie ribbons.
If it becomes a standarad thing then folks (even not newbies) will get the idea of what to look for.
Plus we can promote that to our newbies as they come in.

Nora

— On Tue, 6/7/11, osierhenry@cs.com <osierhenry@cs.com> wrote:

From: osierhenry@cs.com <osierhenry@cs.com>
Subject: Re: [runacc] Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 7, 2011, 4:09 PM

That would work! And, if a quantity would be made, CC’s from next year
forward could keep using them. “If you need general assistance at the con, look
for someone with an orange ribbon that says Con Guide.” As an example.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2278 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Another idea while our brains are working
Absolutely! As MC, I have often had to scramble to grab something to eat. Not good. The Judges, IMO, can feed themselves – they have time – but will need something like green room nibbles and water during deliberations.

Elaine
Nil significat nisi oscillat!

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: gravelymac@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 14:31:47 -0700
Subject: Re: [runacc] Another idea while our brains are working

and make sure the mc is considered part of tech. Anime north is the only times I
as mc have ever gotten dinner/snacks or anything in the midst of all of it,
especially at cc, the mc works almost as long as tech, and waaay longer than the
judges
Gravely MacCabre
http://www.castleblood.com
http://facebook.com/gravelymaccabre
http://etsy.com/shops/gravelymaccabre

tv show clip samples at
http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood

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From: Elaine Mami <ecmami@hotmail.com>
To: Betsy D <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, June 7, 2011 5:20:48 PM
Subject: RE: [runacc] Another idea while our brains are working

I would appreciate that! Although we have already been compiling something of
the sort, I’m certain we will miss something.
#1 Make sure the chair is fed and watered! And gets a few minutes’ rest each
day ;P

We are already planning on feeding tech, too, in the con suite.

Elaine
Nil significat nisi oscillat!

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: osierhenry@cs.com
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 17:13:42 -0400
Subject: [runacc] Another idea while our brains are working

Hello!
While at CC this year, I thought that it might be handy for those of
us who have run or worked a CC before to make a list of Good Advice things.
Like “Feed your Judges and Tech Crew.”
I would be glad to compile the list from everyone’s input.
Let me know what you think.
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2279 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Another idea while our brains are working
Absolutely! As MC, I have often had to scramble to grab something to eat. Not good. The Judges, IMO, can feed themselves – they have time – but will need something like green room nibbles and water during deliberations.

Elaine
Nil significat nisi oscillat!

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: gravelymac@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 14:31:47 -0700
Subject: Re: [runacc] Another idea while our brains are working

and make sure the mc is considered part of tech. Anime north is the only times I
as mc have ever gotten dinner/snacks or anything in the midst of all of it,
especially at cc, the mc works almost as long as tech, and waaay longer than the
judges
Gravely MacCabre
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From: Elaine Mami <ecmami@hotmail.com>
To: Betsy D <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, June 7, 2011 5:20:48 PM
Subject: RE: [runacc] Another idea while our brains are working

I would appreciate that! Although we have already been compiling something of
the sort, I’m certain we will miss something.
#1 Make sure the chair is fed and watered! And gets a few minutes’ rest each
day ;P

We are already planning on feeding tech, too, in the con suite.

Elaine
Nil significat nisi oscillat!

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: osierhenry@cs.com
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 17:13:42 -0400
Subject: [runacc] Another idea while our brains are working

Hello!
While at CC this year, I thought that it might be handy for those of
us who have run or worked a CC before to make a list of Good Advice things.
Like “Feed your Judges and Tech Crew.”
I would be glad to compile the list from everyone’s input.
Let me know what you think.
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2280 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Another idea while our brains are working

Sure. It’s a good idea.

Item #1: Check the stage for safety!

Byron

On Jun 7, 2011, at 5:13 PM, osierhenry@cs.com wrote:

> Hello!
> While at CC this year, I thought that it might be handy for those of
> us who have run or worked a CC before to make a list of Good Advice things.
> Like “Feed your Judges and Tech Crew.”
> I would be glad to compile the list from everyone’s input.
> Let me know what you think.
> Henry
>
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Group: runacc Message: 2281 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Another idea while our brains are working

No! You don’t want the judges to have food and water during their deliberations. You want them to be prompt.

On a more serious note, I use dinner before the show as a final opportunity to brief the judges.

Byron

On Jun 7, 2011, at 5:40 PM, Elaine Mami wrote:

>
> Absolutely! As MC, I have often had to scramble to grab something to eat. Not good. The Judges, IMO, can feed themselves – they have time – but will need something like green room nibbles and water during deliberations.
>
> Elaine
> Nil significat nisi oscillat!
>
>
>
>
>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: gravelymac@yahoo.com
> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 14:31:47 -0700
> Subject: Re: [runacc] Another idea while our brains are working
>
>
>
>
>
>
> and make sure the mc is considered part of tech. Anime north is the only times I
> as mc have ever gotten dinner/snacks or anything in the midst of all of it,
> especially at cc, the mc works almost as long as tech, and waaay longer than the
> judges
> Gravely MacCabre
> http://www.castleblood.com
> http://facebook.com/gravelymaccabre
> http://etsy.com/shops/gravelymaccabre
>
> tv show clip samples at
> http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood
>
> ________________________________
> From: Elaine Mami <ecmami@hotmail.com>
> To: Betsy D <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tue, June 7, 2011 5:20:48 PM
> Subject: RE: [runacc] Another idea while our brains are working
>
> I would appreciate that! Although we have already been compiling something of
> the sort, I’m certain we will miss something.
> #1 Make sure the chair is fed and watered! And gets a few minutes’ rest each
> day ;P
>
> We are already planning on feeding tech, too, in the con suite.
>
> Elaine
> Nil significat nisi oscillat!
>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: osierhenry@cs.com
> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 17:13:42 -0400
> Subject: [runacc] Another idea while our brains are working
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>
>
> Hello!
> While at CC this year, I thought that it might be handy for those of
> us who have run or worked a CC before to make a list of Good Advice things.
> Like “Feed your Judges and Tech Crew.”
> I would be glad to compile the list from everyone’s input.
> Let me know what you think.
> Henry
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Group: runacc Message: 2282 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion

In my records, I show that I digitized that, although, for some reason, I
don’t show that I made copies. Did I give you a disk?

Bruce

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Byron Connell
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 6:54 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for
newcomer inclusion

We have a copy of the VHS tape of TackyCon ’93.

Byron

On Jun 6, 2011, at 3:06 PM, Martin Gear wrote:

> The only flashlights that I remember were from TackyCon, and by this
> time, TackyCon is probably best left to the memories of those of us who
> were there.
> Marty
>
> On 6/6/2011 10:38 AM, Betsy Delaney wrote:
> > Ok, so let’s see if I remember this right: Something to do with shovels
and
> > flashlights, or am I remembering this wrong? Was it a CC presentation or
> > TackyCon? (…which requires a separate explanation all on its own.)
> >
> > B
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Martin Gear<MartinGear@comcast.net>
wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Not ringing any bells, for me.
> >> Marty
> >>
> >>
> >> On 6/6/2011 8:00 AM, Betsy Delaney wrote:
> >>> I have a totally vague recollection that Marty might have a copy if
you
> >>> don’t, Pierre. Trouble is, I don’t recall whether I saw the
> >>> presentation and
> >>> visualized it or saw it for real. Such a LONG time ago!
> >>>
> >>> -b
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Pierre& Sandy Pettinger<
> >>> costumrs@radiks.net<mailto:costumrs%40radiks.net>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> At 01:31 PM 6/4/2011, you wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I haven’t noticed it in the videos Carl has brought me, but I haven’t
> >>>> been through everything yet. We should probably try to find it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Pierre
> >>>>
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> >>> —
> >>> Betsy Marks Delaney
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> >>> http://www.hawkeswood.com/
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Group: runacc Message: 2283 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Re: Another idea while our brains are working
Having survived many Balticons thanks to someone thrusting a sandwich at me as I left the tech rehearsal to get into my own costume in time to MC I agree completely with Ricky’s comment.

Marty

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and make sure the mc is considered part of tech. Anime north is the only times I

as mc have ever gotten dinner/snacks or anything in the midst of all of it,

especially at cc, the mc works almost as long as tech, and waaay longer than the

judges

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From: Elaine Mami <ecmami@hotmail.com>

To: Betsy D <runacc@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Tue, June 7, 2011 5:20:48 PM

Subject: RE: [runacc] Another idea while our brains are working

 

I would appreciate that!� Although we have already been compiling something of

the sort, I’m certain we will miss something.

#1� Make sure the chair is fed and watered!� And gets a few minutes’ rest each

day ;P

We are already planning on feeding tech, too, in the con suite.

Elaine

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From: osierhenry@cs.com

Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 17:13:42 -0400

Subject: [runacc] Another idea while our brains are working

 

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Hello!

While at CC this year, I thought that it might be handy for those of

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Like “Feed your Judges and Tech Crew.”

I would be glad to compile the list from everyone’s input.

Let me know what you think.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2284 From: Elaine Sims Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
How about: (with a superhero costume/cape in mind) Answer (Wo)Man?
or (with a steampunk periscope hat) the Eye-Spy Guy

Sorry, that’s what I get for asking hubby for his input. 😉

And since Marg is busy, I’ll play interpreter & say it’s Marg with a
hard ‘g’, like Margaret. (From a correction in a FB post way back when I
didn’t know)

~Elaine S.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2285 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)

In a message dated 6/7/2011 10:07:33 PM Central Daylight Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> Cruise Director – and that is one of the examples I was using when I was
> tossing around ideas.
> Not sure that title would work. Or her alternative “Activities Director”.
>
>
>

That was it!

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2286 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: Re: Another idea while our brains are working

In a message dated 6/7/2011 7:29:20 PM Central Daylight Time,
byronpconnell@gmail.com writes:

> No! You don’t want the judges to have food and water during their
> deliberations. You want them to be prompt.
>
>
>

As a judge, I like to have some water during judging. And an opportunity to
run to the bathroom.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2287 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: lower the memberships? & newcomers!
Hi Bruce, Hi all,

Responding to the first question, personally I can’t forsee lowering the memberships,
perhaps instead give added value where possible. As an example I’d love to
lower the membership costs myself, but real estate here is so expensive the hotel
is going to cost big time. I am hoping to make the price justifiable in content.

I really was hoping I’d be able to attract someone to help with grant writing, and brining
in sponsors as well, but currently have nobody in that position so it may fall to me ultimately.

Furthermore as I pointed out, Cosutme-Con prices are in line with other specialty
conventions and conferences and I believe it’s uniqueness can easily justify the cost
if it is continually well run and full of quality content.

Regarding the second point. Some of the long-time con-goers are “elitist”, or at least demonstrate those attitudes.
The question is what are the rest of us going to do about it?

I believe you are correct that the initiatives we’re already talking about will be the beginning of solving some
of these problems.

Actively discussing and planning to start an outreach program to welcome in new members to costume-con
and following thru by having con ambassadors on site will be a big start.

I remember when we first attended costume-con for the first time, we had mostly positive experiences with people,
and a few very welcoming people, (such as yourself), who took the time to answer our questions and make sure we
were having a good time. I’ll admit that was a large factor in deciding to come back.

I’m hoping for CC-32 by getting a large number of younger costuming locals involved in the con-com and running events from the various other fandoms,
anime (cosplayers, lolitas, dollers, kimono enthusiasts), furry (fursuiters), sci-fi (steampunks, cyberpunks, media recreationists), gaming, (larpers, warhammer costumers),
scadians, etc, it will help make people who are new to costume con, feel more comfortable. I think seeing friendly faces from their local conventions will
make costume con seem less daunting. Of course this isn’t a fix for every costume con, but hopefully integrating new people from different arenas to act as friendly faces
will be helpful.

We already know it works, because Maral and I were able to convince a few people from Quebec to come at CC27, and then more from Ontario for CC28, and more again from both provinces for CC29. But it was again the friendly other people from CC who made the kids love it and want to come back. Admittedly rare bad attitudes and experiences with a few long time cc members with nasty attitudes have coloured this most recent CC experience for some, but the overwhelming welcome you all give is what will keep people coming back. 🙂

By the way, I’m using “Con Ambassadors” and “Friendly Faces” for the Toronto CC instead of native guide, (which will be for Torontonians who can give directons or will be leading tours), so if anybody wants to pinch either of these, feel free of course. 🙂

~Dawn

So – first question, kind of repeating what I said earlier in response to

Dawn: since the FFF will no longer be one of the major expenses the

committees have to worry about, will that allow them to somewhat lower

memberships? That may not be realistic. How do you promote the value of

CC, knowledge-wise, and single focus (all-costumes, all the time) to be

worth the cost?

Another perception that still seems to come up is that somehow the long-time

con-goers are “elitist”. This notion has also been a bane to the ICG over

the years. Some of this perception is the whole shyness thing of the vets,

where newcomers think no one wants to talk to them. Can we do anything

about that? Maybe the initiatives CC30 and 32 are working on might be the

answer.

Bruce

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Group: runacc Message: 2288 From: Nora Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: Re: Another idea while our brains are working

The judges can have as much water as they like but NO bathroom.
Speeds up the judging process.

Nora

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, osierhenry@… wrote:
>
> In a message dated 6/7/2011 7:29:20 PM Central Daylight Time,
> byronpconnell@… writes:
> > No! You don’t want the judges to have food and water during their
> > deliberations. You want them to be prompt.
> >
> >
> >
> As a judge, I like to have some water during judging. And an opportunity to
> run to the bathroom.
>
> Henry
>
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Group: runacc Message: 2289 From: Kevin Roche Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: Re: Another idea while our brains are working

Try that on me and I’ll just use a water glass as an emergency
receptacle. You Have Been Warned.

But seriously — if the judges have been chosen carefully and the clerk
empowered to be a vocal timekeeper, they should be able to keep
personalities out of it and come back in the allotted time.

Kevin

On 6/8/2011 4:35 PM, Nora wrote:
>
> The judges can have as much water as they like but NO bathroom.
> Speeds up the judging process.
>
> Nora
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2290 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: Re: Another idea while our brains are working

Cstumers with personalities? Shirley you jest!!

Elaine
Nil significat nisi oscillat!

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: chair@cc26.org
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 17:20:11 -0700
Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: Another idea while our brains are working

Try that on me and I’ll just use a water glass as an emergency
receptacle. You Have Been Warned.

But seriously — if the judges have been chosen carefully and the clerk
empowered to be a vocal timekeeper, they should be able to keep
personalities out of it and come back in the allotted time.

Kevin

On 6/8/2011 4:35 PM, Nora wrote:
>
> The judges can have as much water as they like but NO bathroom.
> Speeds up the judging process.
>
> Nora
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2291 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: Re: Another idea while our brains are working

All together now, “…and don’t call me Shirley!”

On 6/8/2011 8:28 PM, Elaine Mami wrote:
> Cstumers with personalities? Shirley you jest!!
>
> Elaine
> Nil significat nisi oscillat!
>
>
>
>
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> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: chair@cc26.org
> Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 17:20:11 -0700
> Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: Another idea while our brains are working
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>
>
> Try that on me and I’ll just use a water glass as an emergency
> receptacle. You Have Been Warned.
>
> But seriously — if the judges have been chosen carefully and the clerk
> empowered to be a vocal timekeeper, they should be able to keep
> personalities out of it and come back in the allotted time.
>
> Kevin
>
> On 6/8/2011 4:35 PM, Nora wrote:
>> The judges can have as much water as they like but NO bathroom.
>> Speeds up the judging process.
>>
>> Nora
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Group: runacc Message: 2292 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 6/9/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion

At 12:28 PM 6/7/2011, you wrote:

And a couple of Tackycon Mid-Wests as well.

Pierre

>
>
>There was also a Tackycon West, held at the rec center at Fran Evan’s
>complex, as I recall. I came as the costumers’ superhero, SuperGlue. I
>recall grossing out some annoying “V” fans by eating gummi worms with
>quacamole.
>
>I *don’t* know if there is video from its masquerade.
>
>Kevin
>
>On 6/7/2011 5:16 AM, Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:
> >
> > Depends on the Tackycon. I seem to recall there is one in the Archives
> > here
> > (you might have given it to us), that might be the one you’re
> > referring to.
> > I’ve not watched it, nor do I believe it’s been digitized yet.
> >
> > Bruce
> >
>
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Group: runacc Message: 2293 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/22/2011
Subject: Questions for former con chairs.
Hi All,

I’m working on the expectations outline for CC32 and I want to check against previous Costume Cons. If you could help by answering
a few questions, (and giving personal observations of what worked and what didn’t if you feel they’ll be helpful), I will be very appreciative.
I have ideas of how I would like things to run, but having what has gone before/what is expected at a Costume Con as a guideline will be very helpful.
I know what I’ve seen and experienced by my own observation but I’d like do draw on the experiences of others particularly those who
have done it before.
Thank you. Cheers! 🙂 ~Dawn

What day did you take possession of your function rooms at the hotel? What day/time did your dealers set up?What day/time did your dealers tare down?
What time did your exhibits rooms set up?
What day/time did you start taring down
How early did your consuite open?Programming during the masquerades, yes/no?Tours, better on one day? or on either end of the regular convention weekend?More to come

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Group: runacc Message: 2294 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/22/2011
Subject: Re: Questions for former con chairs.

Dawn –
Most of this applies to CC’s 3; 9; 15; and 27. (Yes, there is a reason
why we didn’t do 21. You can ask Ricky for the ugly details.)
1- What day did you take possession of your function rooms at the hotel?
What day/time did your dealers set up?What day/time did your dealers
tare down?

I moved into the Hotels Thursday before the convention. (Wednesday for
CC-27) Checked to make certain that the function rooms with the
exception of the “Main Tent” were set up and ready for us at o’dark
early on Friday. Main Tent was cleared for start of set up Friday
morning. For CC-27, the hotel actually cleared and set up all except
for 4 function rooms Wednesday night so we were able to bring in some
Tech equipment on Thursday and began setting up our “Main Tent” on
Thursday afternoon. One of the lockable function rooms with outside
access was turned over to us on Thursday so that we could load and store
equipment. The remaining function rooms were set up Thursday night.
Dealers started setting up 8 AM on Friday morning. Goal was to have the
Dealers Room open by 4 PM on Friday.
For CC-3 Dealers Room closed on Sunday, all dealers out by Noon on
Monday. For the others, Dealers Room closed some time on Monday, Dealers
out by midnight Monday.

2- What time did your exhibits rooms set up?
CC-3 and CC-9 Exhibits were in the center of the Dealers Room. Exhibits
started setting up 8 AM on Friday. CC-15 if I remember correctly,
Exhibits were in a function room on an upper floor and set up started on
Thursday night when we got the keys. CC-27 Exhibits were in the
Function room that we had gotten early for storage, so partial set up
started on Thursday (panels assembled and put in place) and continued on
Friday as exhibitors arrived and stored equipment removed.

3- What day/time did you start taring down?
Started Monday morning. CC-3 finished Monday by noon. CC’s 9, 15, and
27 completed tear down by Monday midnight for all room.

4- How early did your consuite open?Programming during the masquerades,
yes/no?Tours, better on one day? or on either end of the regular
convention weekend?
Consuites opened between 4 and 5 PM on Friday
No programming during the masquerades
Tours mostly planned before the conventions; CC-27 I believe had tours
both before and after. I’m not sure if any were planned for Fridays.

That should get you started.
Marty

On 6/22/2011 3:11 PM, Kaijugal . wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I’m working on the expectations outline for CC32 and I want to check
> against previous Costume Cons. If you could help by answering
> a few questions, (and giving personal observations of what worked and
> what didn’t if you feel they’ll be helpful), I will be very appreciative.
> I have ideas of how I would like things to run, but having what has
> gone before/what is expected at a Costume Con as a guideline will be
> very helpful.
> I know what I’ve seen and experienced by my own observation but I’d
> like do draw on the experiences of others particularly those who
> have done it before.
> Thank you. Cheers! 🙂 ~Dawn
>
> What day did you take possession of your function rooms at the hotel?
> What day/time did your dealers set up?What day/time did your dealers
> tare down?
> What time did your exhibits rooms set up?
> What day/time did you start taring down
> How early did your consuite open?Programming during the masquerades,
> yes/no?Tours, better on one day? or on either end of the regular
> convention weekend?More to come
>
>
>
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Group: runacc Message: 2295 From: Nora Date: 6/22/2011
Subject: Re: Questions for former con chairs.

CC16 & 25
Took possesion on Friday night for most function space, but some on Thursday night.
Dealers set up Friday morning both times, opened in the afternoon.
Dealer tear down on Monday afternoon for both, room was open until noon, maybe a little after.
Exhibits set up Thursday night at 16, Friday at 25 (I think). Took them down Monday afternoon.
Consuite opened on Thursday evening, closed during large events.
No programming during masqs.
Tours – mostly scheduled for Thursday, some on Friday. Some small stuff on Monday.

Nora

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Kaijugal .” <kaijugal@…> wrote:
> What day did you take possession of your function rooms at the hotel? What day/time did your dealers set up?What day/time did your dealers tare down?
> What time did your exhibits rooms set up?
> What day/time did you start taring down
> How early did your consuite open?Programming during the masquerades, yes/no?Tours, better on one day? or on either end of the regular convention weekend?More to come

 

Group: runacc Message: 2296 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 6/23/2011
Subject: Re: Questions for former con chairs.

At 02:11 PM 6/22/2011, you wrote:

Nora has already answered for CC 25. for CC10 and 24

>What day did you take possession of your function rooms at the
>hotel? What day/time did your dealers set up?What day/time did your
>dealers tare down?

Thursday for CC10. IRRC, we got CC24’s space on Wednesday evening.

>What time did your exhibits rooms set up?

For 10 and 24 on Friday morning. Due to arrival times of attendees
you always will have things drifting in throughout the day.

>What day/time did you start tearing down

Monday at about 10 or so

>How early did your consuite open?

Thursday evening.

>Programming during the masquerades, yes/no?

Absolutely nothing scheduled against the masquerades or the Future
Fashion Show/Single Pattern. The latter could be scheduled during the
Friday Night Social PROVIDED that it is in the same room as the
Social and announced as a feature of the Social.

>Tours, better on one day? or on either end of the regular convention weekend?

Either side (actually both sides) work well so long as you announce
well in advance.

Pierre

>More to come

International Costumers’ Guild Archivist

http://www.costume.org/gallery2/main.php

“Those Who Fail to Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly –
Why They Are Simply Doomed.”

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C. Y. 4971

Andromeda

 

Group: runacc Message: 2297 From: Margie Date: 6/24/2011
Subject: Re: Questions for former con chairs.

For CC30 — Our PLANS are to:

Get Exhibits/Dolls/Quilts/Puppets Room set up Thursday night if possible.

Get Dealers’ Room set up Thursday night if possible. We have the Dealers’ Room contracted until midnight Monday night, so my hope is to have it open through Monday afternoon, if that seems reasonable.

ConSuite gets the room on Wednesday, so should be ready to roll by noon or so on Thursday.

I believe we are not scheduling any Programming opposite any of the Big Events, and ConSuite will be closed then too. Our Friday Night Social will also host the CC Runway competition and the Single Pattern Show.

We’ll have Tours scheduled before and after the convention, and at least one small one on Friday as well.

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Pierre & Sandy Pettinger <costumrs@…> wrote:
>
> At 02:11 PM 6/22/2011, you wrote:
>
> Nora has already answered for CC 25. for CC10 and 24
>
> >What day did you take possession of your function rooms at the
> >hotel? What day/time did your dealers set up?What day/time did your
> >dealers tare down?
>
> Thursday for CC10. IRRC, we got CC24’s space on Wednesday evening.
>
> >What time did your exhibits rooms set up?
>
> For 10 and 24 on Friday morning. Due to arrival times of attendees
> you always will have things drifting in throughout the day.
>
> >What day/time did you start tearing down
>
> Monday at about 10 or so
>
> >How early did your consuite open?
>
> Thursday evening.
>
> >Programming during the masquerades, yes/no?
>
> Absolutely nothing scheduled against the masquerades or the Future
> Fashion Show/Single Pattern. The latter could be scheduled during the
> Friday Night Social PROVIDED that it is in the same room as the
> Social and announced as a feature of the Social.
>
> >Tours, better on one day? or on either end of the regular convention weekend?
>
> Either side (actually both sides) work well so long as you announce
> well in advance.
>
> Pierre
>
> >More to come
>
> International Costumers’ Guild Archivist
>
> http://www.costume.org/gallery2/main.php
>
> “Those Who Fail to Learn History
> Are Doomed to Repeat It;
> Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly –
> Why They Are Simply Doomed.”
>
> Achemdro’hm
> “The Illusion of Historical Fact”
> — C. Y. 4971
>
> Andromeda
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2298 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 6/29/2011
Subject: Names on Photographs, etc
I’m trying to reassure my brother, so excuse the obvious. Next year I’m
bringing my niece to costume con. She’s a costume diva and loves it when
she gets new outfits, so we designed an entry for her. My mom will also be
attending to help herd her. My brother is worried, though, about her online
presence. He doesn’t really want her name attached to her face widely
online before she’s graduated kindergarten (understandable, imo). I’ve told
him to google all my pictures and see how they’re all labeled with “Aurora
Celeste” and not my real name, but he’s worried that for some reason her
legal name will need to be used because he signed a minor release form in
that name. I told him the announcer’s form is a totally separate form and
he shouldn’t be worried. Anyway, long story short, is there any possibility
that I’m wrong and a reason her legal name would need to be used either by
the announcer, on an entrant list, or in a gallery after the show? Also, is
there any way to find out if there will be additional forms at the con that
would need to be signed ahead of time like there was with Penny this year?

Thanks,

Aurora

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Group: runacc Message: 2299 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/29/2011
Subject: Re: Names on Photographs, etc

not unless we force trixyloup wolf to start entering as Silvie Lauren

If its the SF/F, you can be assured I will only say what she wants said

Gravely MacCabre
http://www.castleblood.com
http://facebook.com/gravelymaccabre
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tv show clip samples at
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— On Wed, 6/29/11, Aurora Celeste <auroraceleste@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Aurora Celeste <auroraceleste@gmail.com>
Subject: [runacc] Names on Photographs, etc
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 29, 2011, 12:19 AM

I’m trying to reassure my brother, so excuse the obvious. Next year I’m
bringing my niece to costume con. She’s a costume diva and loves it when
she gets new outfits, so we designed an entry for her. My mom will also be
attending to help herd her. My brother is worried, though, about her online
presence. He doesn’t really want her name attached to her face widely
online before she’s graduated kindergarten (understandable, imo). I’ve told
him to google all my pictures and see how they’re all labeled with “Aurora
Celeste” and not my real name, but he’s worried that for some reason her
legal name will need to be used because he signed a minor release form in
that name. I told him the announcer’s form is a totally separate form and
he shouldn’t be worried. Anyway, long story short, is there any possibility
that I’m wrong and a reason her legal name would need to be used either by
the announcer, on an entrant list, or in a gallery after the show? Also, is
there any way to find out if there will be additional forms at the con that
would need to be signed ahead of time like there was with Penny this year?

Thanks,

Aurora

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Group: runacc Message: 2300 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/29/2011
Subject: Re: Names on Photographs, etc

As far as the ICGallery is concerned:
We frequently label photos with aliases (con names) on the Gallery. If known to us, we like to put the person’s real name in the keywords (non-visible) so folks who know them by that name can find them.

Or vice-versa for some folks. We also put alternate names (maiden name, previous married names, etc.) for some folks as well.

If someone were to specifically request to be “labelled” a certain way, we can absolutely accomodate that.

Obviously I can’t speak for other websites.

Nora

— On Tue, 6/28/11, Aurora Celeste <auroraceleste@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Aurora Celeste <auroraceleste@gmail.com>
Subject: [runacc] Names on Photographs, etc
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 28, 2011, 11:19 PM

I’m trying to reassure my brother, so excuse the obvious.  Next year I’m
bringing my niece to costume con.  She’s a costume diva and loves it when
she gets new outfits, so we designed an entry for her.  My mom will also be
attending to help herd her.  My brother is worried, though, about her online
presence.  He doesn’t really want her name attached to her face widely
online before she’s graduated kindergarten (understandable, imo).  I’ve told
him to google all my pictures and see how they’re all labeled with “Aurora
Celeste” and not my real name, but he’s worried that for some reason her
legal name will need to be used because he signed a minor release form in
that name.  I told him the announcer’s form is a totally separate form and
he shouldn’t be worried.  Anyway, long story short, is there any possibility
that I’m wrong and a reason her legal name would need to be used either by
the announcer, on an entrant list, or in a gallery after the show?  Also, is
there any way to find out if there will be additional forms at the con that
would need to be signed ahead of time like there was with Penny this year?

Thanks,

Aurora

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Group: runacc Message: 2201 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/8/2011
Subject: Re: What, silence on CC29?
Group: runacc Message: 2202 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/9/2011
Subject: Re: What, silence on CC29?
Group: runacc Message: 2203 From: Kaijugal . Date: 5/9/2011
Subject: Re: What, silence on CC29?
Group: runacc Message: 2204 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/10/2011
Subject: Re: What, silence on CC29?
Group: runacc Message: 2205 From: Elaine Mami Date: 5/10/2011
Subject: Re: What, silence on CC29?
Group: runacc Message: 2206 From: Dora Buck Date: 5/10/2011
Subject: Re: What, silence on CC29?
Group: runacc Message: 2207 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: SLCG CC29 Review/Report – Before the con
Group: runacc Message: 2208 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: The SLCG CC29 Review/Report – Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 2209 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: The SLCG Review/Report – Registration
Group: runacc Message: 2210 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: The SLCG CC29 Review/Report – The Hotel
Group: runacc Message: 2211 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: The SLCG CC29 Review/Report – Exhibits
Group: runacc Message: 2212 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: The SLCG CC29 Review/Report – On Site Pubs
Group: runacc Message: 2213 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: The SLCG CC29 Review/Report – Programming
Group: runacc Message: 2214 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: The SLCG CC29 Review/Report – Friday Night Social
Group: runacc Message: 2215 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/23/2011
Subject: The SLCG CC28 Review/Report continues – F & SF masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 2216 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/23/2011
Subject: The SLCG CC29 Review/Report continues – FFS & SP show
Group: runacc Message: 2217 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/23/2011
Subject: The SLCG CC29 Review/Report – Historical Masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 2218 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/23/2011
Subject: The SLCG CC29 Review/Report – Photography
Group: runacc Message: 2219 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/23/2011
Subject: The SLCG CC29 Review/Report – Final Thoughts
Group: runacc Message: 2220 From: Nora Date: 5/30/2011
Subject: Costume-Con 30 FFF update
Group: runacc Message: 2221 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: Post CC stuff: Notes for future committees
Group: runacc Message: 2222 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion
Group: runacc Message: 2223 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion
Group: runacc Message: 2224 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion
Group: runacc Message: 2225 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion
Group: runacc Message: 2226 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – Expense of Memberships
Group: runacc Message: 2227 From: Nora Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion
Group: runacc Message: 2228 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion
Group: runacc Message: 2229 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion
Group: runacc Message: 2230 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion
Group: runacc Message: 2231 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC stuff: Notes for future committees
Group: runacc Message: 2232 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: At-the-door reg (was Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions f
Group: runacc Message: 2233 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion
Group: runacc Message: 2234 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion
Group: runacc Message: 2235 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion
Group: runacc Message: 2236 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: LAA (was: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inc
Group: runacc Message: 2237 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – Expense of Memberships
Group: runacc Message: 2238 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion
Group: runacc Message: 2239 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: Misperceptions and questions
Group: runacc Message: 2240 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion
Group: runacc Message: 2241 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: Re: Misperceptions and questions
Group: runacc Message: 2242 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: Re: Misperceptions and questions
Group: runacc Message: 2243 From: Nora Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
Group: runacc Message: 2244 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: Re: LAA (was: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer
Group: runacc Message: 2245 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
Group: runacc Message: 2246 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
Group: runacc Message: 2247 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: Re: LAA (was: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer
Group: runacc Message: 2248 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/5/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
Group: runacc Message: 2249 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion
Group: runacc Message: 2250 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion

 


 

Group: runacc Message: 2201 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/8/2011
Subject: Re: What, silence on CC29?

On 5/8/2011 5:17 PM, Byron Connell wrote:

> Andy, may I have permission to cross-post your comments to the SLUTs? We’re working on our own critique and probably would benefit from some of your comments that differ from those expressed on that list. To the CC29 staff list, too.

Go ahead, both are OK with me.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 2202 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/9/2011
Subject: Re: What, silence on CC29?

Great, lots of folks aren’t on here.

As for not posting here yet – hadn’t got here yet & then didn’t know that
you had. Our Outlook has a problem with the runacc posts, keeps putting them
in the spam folder no matter what we try.

I have to keep checking it & hadn’t done so in a couple of days J

Stupid Outlook.

Nora

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Andrew T Trembley
Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 7:19 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Byron Connell
Subject: Re: [runacc] What, silence on CC29?

On 5/8/2011 5:17 PM, Byron Connell wrote:
> Andy, may I have permission to cross-post your comments to the SLUTs?
We’re working on our own critique and probably would benefit from some of
your comments that differ from those expressed on that list. To the CC29
staff list, too.

Go ahead, both are OK with me.

andy

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Group: runacc Message: 2203 From: Kaijugal . Date: 5/9/2011
Subject: Re: What, silence on CC29?
I’ve made a point of encouraging a couple of new friends to come every year, i.e. “The Montrealers”.
There were actually several new friends again this year, including other Canadians _not_ from Montreal. ;D LOL
I know most people can’t tell the difference. ;D
~Dawn

…but the lack of novice and journeyman entries shows up that we’re not
reaching enough new people.

This is a bad thing. I know a lot of people like the quiet, intimate,
“everyone here is my friend” kind of vibe when, well, it’s mostly the
same people we see every year, but we can’t depend on that. The
Montrealers have been a breath of fresh air, but we need more new
people. We need enough new people that some of them decide to make this
an annual thing and we keep developing a strong core group that’s
interested in working the cons too.

andy

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Group: runacc Message: 2204 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/10/2011
Subject: Re: What, silence on CC29?
Good review. We’re saying a lot of similar things on the SLUTS list. I’m
in the process of putting together our review right now, but it still has to
go through review, then get cleaned up before the RUNACC list.

I agree about needing to get more new people. I think we’re starting to see
more, but not nearly at as fast a rate as we need. Promotion is still
uneven, but the cost factor is also an issue, and I’m not sure how to solve
that.

Yay for our enthusiastic Canadians for bringing down so many new people!

Bruce

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Andrew T Trembley
Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 5:43 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] What, silence on CC29?

To start, there was a great deal of “excellent” in this con, and not
just because someone did a Bill & Ted entry.

Hotel:
We could have done without the school kids and the Governor, but kudos
to the committee for dealing with those issues.

Hotel lay-out was a bit weird, the function room layout made it feel
simultaneously spread-out, claustrophobic and ghettoized, but there was
nothing the convention could really do about it.

While there were good servers in the restaurant and the food was decent,
service was pretty bad. This is an endemic problem in Hilton properties
these days, and a common problem with hotel restaurant management that
just doesn’t believe we need to eat. It doesn’t really reflect on the
committee.

The “Sky Room” for Friday night was great.

The ballroom for masquerade wasn’t optimal, but it’s what they had. Size
was good, but the low ceilings were a handicap.

I’ll let people in the shows comment definitively on the location and
size of green room. The location and path looked OK to me.

The suite for consuite was a good layout and size except at the busiest
times.

Reg:
Quick and efficient when I picked up. There were a few times (like
before F&SF) that it should have been open to sell masquerade tickets (I
was there when two women showed up who were just coming in to help an
entrant and the reg desk couldn’t sell tickets).

Tech:
What can I say? The gang is excellent and dealt successfully with
fucked-up rental agencies. They made the best of the low ceilings in the
ballroom. Joel, Larry and the rest of technofandom are always a joy to
work with.

Consuite:
Mostly excellent, except for the Friday night early closure (which was
very visible). I’m going to say what Betsy said to us when she found out
that CDs weren’t ripped and data entry was slow because of staffing
issues: Ask for help, at the first sign of trouble. Ask past and future
chairs if there’s someone attending who might have the necessary skills
to fill in. I would have helped. We ran hospitality at World Fantasy
2009, partially to verify whether or not we had really learned from
issues at CC26 (we avoided those same issues).

The Phoenix and Canada parties were fabulous.

Dealers’ Room:
Small, but quality. Nice variety. Having everything in one secureable
room would have been better, but you match demands and space as you can.

Exhibits/Hats/Dolls:
A little slow to start, but beautiful and varied. Kudos to the
organizers for getting so many people to show, and to everyone who showed.

Program:
People went to panels. Nearly every panel I saw, walked by or was on had
an audience (sometimes light, but an audience). Workshops appeared to be
very popular and well-attended.

Friday night social:
It felt like a social. The amateur theatricals were decent. It was a lot
of fun.

F&SF Masquerade:
Except for Chrism’s fall, great. I’ve heard a few complaints about Judy
Mitchell’s abruptness as a workmanship judge (and not just from Carole,
she was just loudest and most public as usual) but I’ve been referring
those to the directors. I expect we’ll hear complaints about awards. The
distribution of entrants among divisions is a bit worrying. I’ll cover
that at the end.

Fashion Show/Single Pattern:
With a half-and-half distribution? How did that happen? We saw a strong
group of fashion show entries and a strong group of single pattern
entries. The show ran smoothly. Very good. It was a bit late in the
afternoon, though, and I’m wondering how much that impacted tech
rehearsal for historical.

Historical:
Mostly excellent. Also the same concern about distribution of entries
among the divisions. I heard complaints about rehearsal and pre-judging
delays, along with how long the judging interval was. Award delays were
made worse by the lack of half-time entertainment (after the photo run).
Kevin can address the view from the inside.

Dead Dog:
Eric and Sue re-running the masquerades was cool, and it was nice giving
folks who missed the video masq submissions a chance to see them.

Promotion:
I said that I was concerned about the distribution of entrants. We’re
talking a huge proportion of master entries in each competition. Now
it’s really cool that we have that many master entries, and it makes for
a real blockbuster of a show…

…but the lack of novice and journeyman entries shows up that we’re not
reaching enough new people.

This is a bad thing. I know a lot of people like the quiet, intimate,
“everyone here is my friend” kind of vibe when, well, it’s mostly the
same people we see every year, but we can’t depend on that. The
Montrealers have been a breath of fresh air, but we need more new
people. We need enough new people that some of them decide to make this
an annual thing and we keep developing a strong core group that’s
interested in working the cons too.

andy

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Group: runacc Message: 2205 From: Elaine Mami Date: 5/10/2011
Subject: Re: What, silence on CC29?
Sorry, Dawn, but y’all look alike to us!

Elaine
Nil significat nisi oscillat!

I’ve made a point of encouraging a couple of new friends to come every year, i.e. “The Montrealers”.
There were actually several new friends again this year, including other Canadians _not_ from Montreal. ;D LOL
I know most people can’t tell the difference. ;D
~Dawn

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Group: runacc Message: 2206 From: Dora Buck Date: 5/10/2011
Subject: Re: What, silence on CC29?
dawn, don’t believe her, we all look alike – we dress up and no one can tell us
apart or who we are!!!!
Dora Buck
who is now going to be sewing and competing instead of running it

________________________________
From: Elaine Mami <ecmami@hotmail.com>
To: Betsy D <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, May 10, 2011 6:27:05 PM
Subject: RE: [runacc] What, silence on CC29?

Sorry, Dawn, but y’all look alike to us!

Elaine
Nil significat nisi oscillat!

I’ve made a point of encouraging a couple of new friends to come every year,
i.e. “The Montrealers”.

There were actually several new friends again this year, including other
Canadians _not_ from Montreal. ;D LOL
I know most people can’t tell the difference. ;D
~Dawn

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Group: runacc Message: 2207 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: SLCG CC29 Review/Report – Before the con
Time once again for the Costume-Con review as seen through the eyes of
members of the SLUTS and their friends. This is more of a summarized
version of the “warts & all”
review that was posted on the SLCG’s Yahoo Group. There will be some
details, for the purposes of the folks on this list to be aware of, as
organizers. Some additional stuff may appear in the ICG newsletter. A
much condensed version has already appeared on the CC30 Google list.

Right off the bat, we want to say that any criticisms were mainly nitpicks –
we had a pretty good time at CC29. Many of the problems we will point out
are recurring mistakes committees either fail to anticipate, etc. There
were only minor annoyances and questions people spoke up about on the list.
The main thing that seemed to be a problem for this convention (and this
seems to be an ongoing CC problem) was lapses in communication at times.

BEFORE THE CON

There seemed to be a lack of co-ordination of publicity. There were
regular updates on Facebook, but there was practically no representation on
the Costume-Con Yahoo Group (which has some 60 – 70 members), or the D-List
(which boasts 300+ members) or the Cosplay.com forum, where many cosplayers
are finding out about CC. We recommend to future committees to make sure
there is someone able to monitor all these venues. It can make a valuable
first impression when there’s a friendly presence out there. They can also
provide useful early feedback to the committee or squash incorrect
impressions/rumors before they get out of hand. Finally, any information
needs to be posted on all these places – not just Facebook or just the CC
list, etc.

And while we understand it gets tedious to have to constantly answer the
same questions over and over, it’s just not a good policy to say “go to our
website” – where the questioner then has to click around to find the info.
People are lazy – they don’t want to have to work for it. Either post a
direct link or take the opportunity to not only answer the question but also
add any other info that might be pertinent. It would have been nice to
either have a second PR closer to the con. We don’t really have a problem
with it only being published on the web – hopefully there were some paper
ones handed out for promotional purposes, but we don’t know for sure.
Semi-related to before-the-con impressions – a few words about hotel
reservations. There seemed to be a constant problem with getting
reservations correct. To the con committee’s credit, every time they were
made aware of a problem, they were fairly quick about looking into it, but
we’re not sure why this happened multiple times. This is another contact
point that can set the tone for a convention-goer – especially the new ones.
Upon arrival, there was at least two instances where the reservation was
still incorrect, but turned out to be okay. Nonetheless, we suspect there
were more. Why this continued to be difficult, we’re not sure. We’ve
gotten later info that explained some of the reasons why the hotel kept
changing up the reservations, and hopefully, that won’t be a problem in the
future.

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Group: runacc Message: 2208 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: The SLCG CC29 Review/Report – Con Suite
Having run 2 CCs ourselves, we recognize that con committees often have
little choice on the size of the room used for the con suite, but we did get
complaints about the size. And being too warm.

General Con Suite observations: The convention-supplied snacks were a bit
sparse and unimaginative. However, we heard that some supplies were
either late getting put out or not put out at all. There needed to be
better monitoring on making sure there were plenty of cold drinks. Also,
there wasn’t as much variety as we would have liked to have seen. Given
the hotel alternative, though, we appreciated the modest breakfast supplies
(ie. sweet rolls, bagels, milk, orange juice, etc.). Not having to go out
and hunt for the morning meal was a big plus.

Sponsors: Speaking of breakfasts, having sponsored breakfasts – an excellent
idea. Really appreciated the boiled eggs from Poison Pen Press. We’re a
big fan of protein as an integral part of a con suite’s supplies. Also,
liked the fact that something as simple as the cheese cubes and pepperoni
slices in one of the parties gave you two of the necessary components for
pizza. The Canadians’ CC32 suite party, after the Historical masquerade,
rocked the house with fresh crepes, maple flavored liqueurs and cookies.

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Group: runacc Message: 2209 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: The SLCG Review/Report – Registration
The concom gets a thumbs up for being prepared and having pre-reg
memberships ready for pickup in the Con Suite on Thursday night. Also,
having them available at the Friday Night Social was a very good idea. In
the past, late arrivals have feared they can’t enter if they haven’t picked
up their packets yet.

We found it odd was that, if you wanted a lanyard for your membership badge,
you had to pay for it. Most times, these are included as part of your
membership. Would it have cost that much more for a relatively inexpensive
item?

A nice touch was including a little sewing kit with the packets. These were
apparently donated by Byron and Tina Connell, because the con was strapped
for cash for a while.

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Group: runacc Message: 2210 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: The SLCG CC29 Review/Report – The Hotel
It seemed to be about the right size for the convention. Meeting spaces
were adequate. One complaint heard often over the weekend was the lack of
consistency of temperature in the various rooms. Either the staff was not
hearing about this, or didn’t have access to the controls, or didn’t bother
to notify the hotel staff about problems. Another complaint was the seeming
stinginess of small tables.

The hotel rooms were fairly typical, size-wise, but the closet space was
woefully inadequate. Given that this seems often to be the case, if you
know this will be a problem, recommending guests bring along a portable rack
to hang costumes on isn’t the worst idea in the world. There appeared to be
hotel reservation problems on people’s arrival, but I believe that’s already
been covered, so we won’t go into details again.

Speaking of parking, that was another point of interest, regarding
communication by the con committee. There was a question before the
convention about whether there was a parking fee. At first, the concom
waffled about it, but eventually the answer was (and was posted on the
website – not sure about the timing) it was $10 per day. After the weekend
was over, though, we weren’t charged for parking, so that was a nice
surprise.

The restaurant, had a limited fare, but it was overpriced (at least, to a
Midwesterner’s point of view, but Byron concurred). There were no other
choices within walking distance, so if you didn’t have access to
transportation, you were stuck. A printed list of nearby restaurants was
somewhat helpful, but a map with them marked out would have been better, so
people had an idea of how far away they were. The hotel bar was located in
the restaurant, with only 6 stools, so that limited its usefulness. There
was also no common area where people could hang out and socialize. There
was supposedly a heated pool, but it was closed, and once again, no hot tub.
We haven’t particularly liked this trend in CC hotels over the past few
years!

The hotel staff was friendly and helpful. The housekeeping staff got high
marks for responding quickly with room supply requests. On the other hand,
English was the second language in the restaurant.

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Group: runacc Message: 2211 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: The SLCG CC29 Review/Report – Exhibits
First impressions: good sized rooms, but suffered from warm temperatures.
More importantly, there were serious problems with organization of this
room. First of all, there was no guidance as to where to put things to
exhibit. Also, there was an inadequate number of display mannequins, so
many items that were brought to show never got exhibited properly or rotated
out on the mannequins – they were put on a clothes rack with no
identification at all. Signage was incomplete, with scant information or
context. On top of all this, the rooms were unguarded. Fortunately,
Costume-Cons aren’t a real high security risk, but there were other guests
of the hotel (including a busload of teenagers) who could have wandered in
without much notice. There were tables manned by various people across the
hall from the exhibit rooms, but it wouldn’t have been impossible to make
off with something – like the doll competition entries.

This having been said, the quality of the items that did get displayed was
fairly good. The number of dolls shown was smallish, but all interesting,
and the hat competition was interesting, as well.

As part of the ongoing communication problems with the con, there was no
mention in publications or announcements of when exhibits could be picked up
on Monday morning. Upon asking about, the answer was it would be open
Sunday morning at 9:00 AM. That morning, no one had arrived to unlock the
doors after 35 minutes. Finally, one of the other con staff requested that
the hotel staff unlock the doors.

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Group: runacc Message: 2212 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: The SLCG CC29 Review/Report – On Site Pubs
The most serious communication lapses with the convention were in related to
programming.

1. While some of us didn’t have as big a problem with it, at least one
person we polled felt that the list of panels in the Program Book should
have had the scheduled times published. Most of us just referred to the
Pocket Program.
Besides, we’ve been told most people don’t read their Program Books until
after the convention. So take that with a grain of salt.

2. More importantly, nowhere in the publications was there any listing
of which people were in what panels. The only way speakers could learn
where they were to appear was either by an email from the Programming
Director before the con, or a list (by name, not panel title) posted on a
wall near Registration. And anyone who attended a panel had no idea who the
speakers were unless they introduced themselves.

3. There was no signage to speak of, to direct people to the function
spaces, meeting rooms or the Con Suite. There was no map of the hotel,
either. A kiosk (like at CC25 and 27) or some other sort of bulletin board
that

was more readable and posted changes would have eased things.

4. The Pocket Program was readable, but truncated, and at least one
title did not match the listings in the PB.

5. The Con Suite times should have been listed on the Pocket Program.

6. Other things that should have been published: Green Room opening
times, the masquerades, the Fashion Show, Dealers Room hours, who was
sponsoring the Con Suite at what times (and maybe a thank you for doing so).

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Group: runacc Message: 2213 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: The SLCG CC29 Review/Report – Programming
Most people felt the selection and breadth of panel subjects was pretty
good, and almost all of them were well attended. They also all ran on time.
We have a number of individual comments on some panels:

1. The people on the “Next Big Thing: Costume-Cons Yet to Come” panel
were not well prepared for questions. Only the Canadian bid seemed to have
ready answers.

2. Several panels could have used moderators. Either one speaker
dominated discussions, or they lacked focus. We would like to recommend
to the future committee Program Directors that they assign one person on the
panel to keep things on track.

3. Not all panel descriptions were accurate – having the speakers
themselves write the Program text (if you can get them to do it) would solve
this problem.

4. The PB listed the “Hats and Headpieces” panel was a “last minute
change in programming”. That’s probably why only one speaker showed up
because no plans were made to add any people who may have dropped off.

5. One of the speakers was not included in the pre-planning of the
knitting and crochet workshop. It wound up that most attendees were more
interested in crocheting, than knitting.

6. A number of people said that, while they were flattered to be asked
to be on panels, they felt over-scheduled.

7. Some felt there was not enough programming on Monday to justify
staying the extra day. This is an ongoing debate in a lot of circles. One
suggestion is perhaps to repeat some panels from earlier in the weekend, but
this is heavily dependent on speakers’ availability. It’s almost a chicken
or the egg conundrum: how to you get people to stay Monday if there’s no
programming, but how to you get speakers to stay over if everyone leaves?

8. There was little or no thought given to schedule changes. In one
particular incident, one of our folks found out that their Monday panel time
had changed by reading it in the convention daily newsletter that they
happened to come across in the Con Suite. If they had not known this, they
would have missed their panel.

A final note: in discussion on the CC30 list, and also on Cosplay.com, newer
people who spoke up seemed to be less impressed with the subject matter in
panels. They’re apparently looking for more advanced techniques to learn
and are less interested in panel discussions. The CC30 committee recognizes
that Programming is going to have to step up its game a bit to have more
appeal to the younger, newer people we’re starting to attract In more
numbers. (More on this later)

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Group: runacc Message: 2214 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: The SLCG CC29 Review/Report – Friday Night Social
The ballroom on the 12th floor was very nice, with a good view of Manhattan
in the distance. There was a traffic flow problem where people exited the
elevators, due to photographers and the “maitre d'” who was supposed to
announce arrivals and take “tips” (drawing tickets). The cash bar was
expensive ($4 for a soda or water? Seriously?).

Several people commented that they didn’t feel compelled to wear something
in line with the theme. Most people
wore something “formal-ish”, rather than dress as their favorite Broadway
character, etc. Mercifully, the music wasn’t so loud that you couldn’t
carry on a
conversation.

“Refreshments”: As one person put it, “Lamest – food – ever!” There was,
maybe, two smallish plates of vegetables. We presume this was because
having the

Hotel cater would have been expensive? Good thing Nora was surprised with a
big
birthday cake during the evening. (Again, thanks to the concom for
arranging this!)

The reasons for the “funny money” wasn’t well explained, but at least the
members’ names were on the back. The
drawings were fun, and there were some nice prizes (including stuff from the
future CCs), but it would have been better to spread them out, rather than
do them all at once, because once the drawings were over, people started
drifting back to their rooms.

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Group: runacc Message: 2215 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/23/2011
Subject: The SLCG CC28 Review/Report continues – F & SF masquerade
Tech rehearsals seemed to go well, with no problems with people running late
or hogging time. “Issues” started early with the Green Room, though. It
was too small for the number of entries, and too warm. Why no one
re-arranged the chairs from the way the hotel did them so they’d be useful
is a mystery,
There were also no tables to set props and costume bits on, or clothing
racks to hang them on. No mirrors. And even though the room was open at
6:00 pm, there must have been a miscommunication about when Green Room crew
were supposed to be there and be available to entrants.

. The Masquerade Directors arrived at 6:10.

. The Workmanship Judge and clerk arrived around 6:10.

. The Den Mothers arrived shortly before 6:30 – not good.

. The repair table person arrived around 6:45. No reports of
“wardrobe malfunctions”. Was the kit available before that? Also, not
good.

. The Official Photographer – was late (40 – 45 minutes – more on
him, later).

The Green Room Director came in for a lot of criticism. They were,
reportedly, also late, because they had left the Green Room to find a needy
costumer a portable CD player so they could practice their
presentation(???). They were not organized – the dens had not been divided
up, nor had the “den moms” been assigned nor given any direction. This may
have been one reason why the inexperienced Den Mom had no clue at all.

Meanwhile, entrants were filing in, starting at 6:00, but the GRD couldn’t
seem to properly check the people in, nor tell them what den they were in.
Was that because they didn’t have a running list?
This caused people to wander around, waiting for instructions. And, for
some reason, they never appeared to get out from behind the check in table
to observe how conditions were in other parts of the room. It was reported
that the Green Room Director had never worked a CC masquerade before, and
was unaware that judges reference photos were needed, thus forcing the MDs
to scramble to get a digital camera, and one of them wound up shooting those
pictures. Someone also mentioned that the food they were eating should not
have been in the GR, in case of an accident with someone’s costume.

We heard several complaints about the Workmanship judging. Among others,
the judge insisted on taking people in running order(??). The Judges Clerk
acted more like a judge than a clerk at times. Most complaints centered
around the Judge’s time management. They started out giving the early
entrants generous amounts of time to talk about their costumes, but because
they had arrived late (and the Green Room Director had not set aside a place
to work), they felt pressured to spend less and less time with following
entries. As a result, the Judge came across as abrupt, rude and dismissive
(even
though we know that was not their intent). Nonetheless, the phrase “felt
cheated” was overheard at least twice in complaints to the MDs during the
halftime.

This has been a problem with workmanship judges in the recent CCs. We have
a couple of suggestions on how this can be made easier for everyone
involved. First – make sure the Workmanship Judge(s) arrive on time and are
ready to go when the Green Room opens, not some time after. Second, allot a
fixed time segment for each entry (divide the number of entries into the
time the GR is open, plus a “slop factor”). Make sure the contestants know
this ahead of time – like publish on the website before the con (and before
they enter the Green Room) and have the Judges Clerk keep a stopwatch to
ensure both the judge(s) or the contestants do not run over time.

IMPORTANT POINT: It occurred to us that the Workmanship judging may be the
single most important point of contact that sets the mood for the entire con
for anyone who is competing during the weekend. If they believe they are
not being treated in a fair, respectful fashion, this will put them off, and
they will tell their friends. Whether their impressions are correct or not,
this is how bad opinions about CC are spread. So we urge committees to
choose their Workmanship judges carefully for people skills as well as an
eye for good workmanship – learn as much as you can about their style, be
aware of any biases, make sure they arrive on time and make sure costumers
gets their due!

There were other problems, logistically, with the Green Room, including no
fans (hand or battery) for keeping costumers cooled, but at least there was
water. Fortunately, there were adequate snacks for nervous nibblers,
including protein(!), provided by the Northeast Costumers Guild (yay!).
There weren’t enough den moms for the number of entries. One den mom out of
the available four had no experience before, and should not have been left
by themselves. Fortunately, their den was mostly self-sufficient.

Most everyone has heard about the problem with the stage by now, so we won’t
spend any time on that. Suffice to say, MDs are on notice to walk the stage
in the future.

As for the rest of the show, it went relatively smoothly with only a few
bumps in the road. The tech crew was top-notch. They were, on the whole,
friendly, helpful and efficient. The audience liked the projection screen
on the side, but the costumers wished there had been a backstage video feed.
It was good
to see the return of Gordon Rose as MC, for the F & SF and the Historical
shows – his last appearance was at CC15.

There was some interesting discussion surrounding the
number and status of the “Judges Choice” awards, but otherwise, it was
mostly felt Presentation judging was fair.

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Group: runacc Message: 2216 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/23/2011
Subject: The SLCG CC29 Review/Report continues – FFS & SP show
Given the 2:00 pm start time (which struck some as odd), there were
questions about why there was an 11:00 Green Room arrival time. For
less than 30 participants between both shows, it seemed unnecessarily
early. Also, two of the judges were roughly 15 minutes late at the time of
Green Room opening. No one was manning the repair table, although the kit
was there. The judges were apparently not given a room to deliberate the
awards, so they had to do so in the Green Room while the show participants
were out in the Ballroom rehearsing their turns on stage. When the
rehearsal was over, participants were kept out for a short while until the
judges were finished(??).

The official photographer was not in the Green Room – he had to be hunted
down, and when he was found, it seemed as though he was not informed that he
needed to record the event. Was he told? Once again, the stage was tricky
because the “thrust” platform projecting from the main stage was slightly
lower, which forced people to step down slightly. There were complaints
about the choice of music for the show, which seemed too formal and not very
fun.

Several people we spoke to, within and without our group, expressed that
they preferred to see these two shows split up. Otherwise, it forces some
people to choose one or another. Having the SP during the CC28 FNS seemed
to work out well.

There were a few complaints this year about the Single Pattern contest.
People acknowledged that finding patterns that are readily available in
advance, not too expensive, not too difficult to work with and yet lends
itself to a variety of modification — but this year’s choices were deemed
uninspiring. It is hoped that more effort will be made to either repeat
something from the past history of the convention or find a new garment to
use.

Entry-wise, the two shows’ participant numbers were still nothing like the
first decade of CC, but there were almost 30 people on stage, so perhaps
splitting up the shows in the future will help numbers increase.

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Group: runacc Message: 2217 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/23/2011
Subject: The SLCG CC29 Review/Report – Historical Masquerade
We have very little information on how the pre-judging went – but no
complaints, either. The Green Room was more suitable for the smaller
masquerade, and was more comfortable. The photographer was on time, and
there was a better set of den moms to attend to the costumers.

There were a few complaints about some of the crew/ninjas for this show.
Some of this were the result of there apparently being no propmaster. This
caused some miscommunication regarding prop pre-sets. A specific complaint
was about one crewmember’s refusal to display a flag in a particular manner.
Otherwise, the crew seemed to be enjoying themselves throughout all shows.
A question was raised about some presentations sound tracks sounding muddy,
but this could have been the fault of the costumer’s audio, rather than the
crew equipment.

This show was also very Master Class heavy, which led to the judges
combining the Novices and
Journeymen into one group of 6: this struck some people within and without
our group as “odd”. Perhaps it’s the nature of the beast, because of the
potential for awards in three different categories (documentation,
workmanship and presentation), and maybe because it WAS so Master heavy, but
it did strike some as the Historical is becoming a venue where “everyone
gets a cookie”. Whether this trend needs further examination so that
awards do not become meaningless in the light of the philosophy of
“excellence deserves recognition” is fodder for a separate discussion.

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Group: runacc Message: 2218 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/23/2011
Subject: The SLCG CC29 Review/Report – Photography
For the F & SF masquerade, not only did the Official Photographer arrive
late, he was slow off the mark getting set up. Before he arrived, people
were setting props and costume bits in the only clear area of the Green Room
– where the photo area was supposed to go. Once the photographer was set
up, they were observed spending noticeable time chatting with some of the
nearby costumers, rather than shooting pictures. Whether this was because
the Green Room Director was not making sure den moms were bringing their
charges to him in a timely fashion or not at all was not certain. As
previously mentioned, he did not seem aware that he was supposed to take
pictures of the FFS and Single Pattern, but since he failed to show up for
the Single Pattern Show at CC27, as well, at least one person questioned his
commitment to making sure all events were being properly recorded. No
problems were reported for the Historical Masquerade photography. As a
side note, everyone agreed having long-time CC fan photog Steward Hartmann
taking charge of co-ordinating the photo lines during the judging periods of
the shows was much appreciated.

Speaking of other photographers, a word about Penny Ladnier, of the Costume
Gallery website. While everyone liked the fact that she was at the
convention, snapping detailed pictures of every show entry, several people
questioned the freedom she was given back stage. In the already crowded
and hot F & SF Green Room, no one had been informed that she was going to be
there with her assistant, nor was her purpose completely understood by some
contestants. It would have made far more sense to allow her some place in a
hallway to set up and pull willing people over when they weren’t trying to
get ready in time to go on stage. By the way, in a possible lack of
communication on concom’s part again, the Green Room Director was unaware
that the Press (Ladnier) had been given access.

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Group: runacc Message: 2219 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/23/2011
Subject: The SLCG CC29 Review/Report – Final Thoughts
Panel tech support was excellent. They made sure scheduled equipment was in
the meeting rooms and functioning. And if there was something missing (like
someone forgot to bring their own equipment), the crew moved rapidly to
provide it, often getting stuff up and running in as little as 15 minutes!
Bravo!

No one had anything to say about the Dealers Room – it was what it was.
They did like the fact that Poison Pen was there. WeÂ’re probably getting
jaded, but these days, thereÂ’s hardly anything most of us long-timers are
interested in these days, beyond the books and maybe one or two patterns.
Nice hats.

Wrapping up, we generally had a good time at CC29. Sure it had its
problems, but no con’s perfect – just a few major hiccups. We give it a
good, solid B to B+.

Still to follow – a post-mortem discussion of what con committees need to
keep in mind for the future vis-à-vis an influx of new, uninitiated members,
membership costs, and a possible music copyright issue to be aware of.

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Group: runacc Message: 2220 From: Nora Date: 5/30/2011
Subject: Costume-Con 30 FFF update
Less than a year to Costume-Con 30 – and only 3 months until the deadline for the Future Fashion Folio!

Yes, that’s right – the deadline for the FFF is September 1, 2011, and it’s coming up fast!

What is the Future Fashion Folio (FFF)? It’s a design competition sponsored in conjunction with Costume-Con and you don’t actually have to be a member of CC30 to participate. Check here: http://costumecon30.com/folio.php
for more info, details & rules (gotta’ have some rules). I’m cross-posting this everywhere I can but feel free to forward this info to any groups you might be in that would be interested.

I’ve already received a few designs & some inquiries and look forward to many more. Our local group is actually having a “Sketch `n Kvetch” to encourage folks to enter – maybe yours could too?
Let’s get sketching!!!

Nora Mai
CC30 FFF Director

 

Group: runacc Message: 2221 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: Post CC stuff: Notes for future committees
Now that CC29 over, we’re left with the usual analysis of how to improve
the con-goer’s experience next time – especially in a new location for the
next three years. Reading the comments on the Cosplay.com forum, the major
observation that has come out of the discussion is that the future
committees (and veterans) need to concentrate on not just making new people
feel welcome – they need to build a sense of being a part of our community.

After 5-6 years of (sometimes) haphazard promotion, attempting to attract a
significant number of newcomers from the anime cons, they’re starting to
attend in noticeable numbers, and when they come – they feel like outsiders.
Most of that comes from misconceptions as a result of a lack of information.

Even though there are descriptions of the events on both the main CC site,
potential newbies want more specific explanations and a better understanding
of what they will experience. There is a sense of irony here, as I’ve
mentioned how there is sometimes a problem with individual staff operating
on the assumption that running a CC is the same as a general SF con. On
the flip side, concoms have operated on the assumption that anyone coming
from outside of a CC will easily adapt to the format. This is apparently
not the case, entirely.

The consensus is that the best first step is to update the Costume-Con.Com
site. There should be an FAQ that will answer people’s questions they might
have before making the decision to spend a fairly significant amount of
money on a convention they are unfamiliar with. I’m working to create that
FAQ, now, based on their first-time experiences.

The next step involves working to helping new people fit in as quickly as
possible. Some first-timers “get” CC immediately, without help. For
others, we need to help new people make connections with those who have been
going for years. By doing so, it will make them want to come back again
and again, even if it means having to travel from their home region.

There are already some good ideas in the works for CC30. One is to revive
the ribbons CC16 & 25 passed out for first-timers to identify themselves so
that veterans could talk to them. Another is a “meet and greet” in the Con
Suite. One thing we need to continue is to have the F & SF or FFS MC have
all the newcomers in the audience stand up, so that they can be applauded.
(Finally, the “Costume-Con Virgins” panel could be better focused by making
it more like the FAQ)

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Group: runacc Message: 2222 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion
Other things that bothered some people that we can work on:

In-jokes: While I’ve been around long enough to know about “Baptistown” and
other subjects from the past, I understand how new people might feel out of
the loop. Rather than eliminate them, we should make an effort to explain
them, and let them in on the joke. That not only makes them included, it
helps to preserve the history of Costume-Con.

The Lifetime Achievement Award – this is probably more the responsibility of
the sitting President of the ICG, but since the presentation is made at CC,
it bears mentioning here. This is the highest honor the ICG bestows, yet,
for the past 2 years, no real explanation was given about the details WHY
the recipients deserved the award. I know – I’ve watched the videos. If
the President does not feel comfortable ad-libbing the reason, then at the
very least, they should read aloud the nomination that was submitted to the
Board. The new people need to know what the Lifetime Achievement Award
recipients have done for the community that warrants their recognition.

Another way to bring more people into the community is for the parent
organization and the individual ICG chapters to get involved in more
outreach. There were a couple of good examples at CC29, like the sponsored
breakfast by the Pups as well as the Green Room snacks by North East. Were
there flyers for these chapters available? If there were, I missed them.
There should be more chapters, beyond the local regional ones, involved in
some sponsorship, which is why the SLCG will be providing the newbie ribbons
for the foreseeable future. We will entertain the idea of other
sponsorships in the future – perhaps a breakfast. Not only is this good PR,
but it’s another way of increasing the membership in the ICG, and
consequently, growing the costuming community.

Bruce

Another issue that merits some discussion is the cost to attend Costume-Con.
At least in the past, one of the things that have put off some new people
was the membership (fee). There has been a trend, maybe, the turn of the
century, that more people are waiting until shortly before the convention,
or even pay at the door to purchase their memberships. Anime cons have
typically been cheaper because they draw more attendees, and thus command
better deals with the hotels. However in more recent years, even
memberships at anime cons are slowly creeping up, as Dawn pointed out on the
forum.

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Group: runacc Message: 2223 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion

In a message dated 6/3/2011 5:24:34 AM Central Daylight Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> In-jokes: While I’ve been around long enough to know about “Baptistown”
> and
> other subjects from the past, I understand how new people might feel out
> of
> the loop. Rather than eliminate them, we should make an effort to explain
> them, and let them in on the joke. That not only makes them included, it
> helps to preserve the history of Costume-Con.
>

Personally, I have been wanting to start a new Baptistown style joke for us
newer folks. I just haven’t gotten the ball rolling yet.

> The Lifetime Achievement Award – this is probably more the responsibility
> of
> the sitting President of the ICG, but since the presentation is made at
> CC,
> it bears mentioning here. This is the highest honor the ICG bestows, yet,
> for the past 2 years, no real explanation was given about the details WHY
> the recipients deserved the award.

Here! Here! Well spoken, Bruce! Perhaps a video retrospective could be
prepared to help visualize the honor.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2224 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion

 

> In-jokes: While I’ve been around long enough to know about “Baptistown”
> and
> other subjects from the past, I understand how new people might feel out
> of
> the loop.

well, only one vote was cast for baptist town this year   😉 and the baptost
town stuff predates the guild and was originally a worldcon /costumeapa thing

> The Lifetime Achievement Award – this is probably more the responsibility
> of
> the sitting President of the ICG, but since the presentation is made at
> CC,
> it bears mentioning here. This is the highest honor the ICG bestows, yet,
> for the past 2 years, no real explanation was given about the details WHY
> the recipients deserved the award.

when I was asked to hand it out 2 years, i totally tried to give it some sense
of stature, and context.

including at least reading off the list of past winners, or having all attending
winners come up on stage to help hand it out/welcome the new person.
if it is our ‘hall of fame’ then the ceremony needs to reflect that. to reflect
that it matters and is important

if attending, perhaps if you dont choose an mc to do it, maybe the person that
nominated the winner could be asked to present it, as they obviously feel the
deepest connection ti that winner

Ricky

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Group: runacc Message: 2225 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion
In-jokes:

now that I go to anime cons a lot, there are millions of in jokes they all have
that I dont get, and when I seem puzzled, I am blown off as too old, or, its
there con, so its my problem to catch up, and get on track
so part of me  realizes that we need this positive outreach and need to be
inclusive, there is, in all honesty a part of me that thinks,

shut up and grow a pair, you’re spoiled and want it all handed to you before we
even know your name.

okay just venting on this list not in open forum.
all done now LOL
Ricky

While I’ve been around long enough to know about “Baptistown” and
other subjects from the past, I understand how new people might feel out of
the loop. Rather than eliminate them, we should make an effort to explain
them, and let them in on the joke. That not only makes them included, it
helps to preserve the history of Costume-Con.

The Lifetime Achievement Award – this is probably more the responsibility of
the sitting President of the ICG, but since the presentation is made at CC,
it bears mentioning here. This is the highest honor the ICG bestows, yet,
for the past 2 years, no real explanation was given about the details WHY
the recipients deserved the award. I know – I’ve watched the videos. If
the President does not feel comfortable ad-libbing the reason, then at the
very least, they should read aloud the nomination that was submitted to the
Board. The new people need to know what the Lifetime Achievement Award
recipients have done for the community that warrants their recognition.

Another way to bring more people into the community is for the parent
organization and the individual ICG chapters to get involved in more
outreach. There were a couple of good examples at CC29, like the sponsored
breakfast by the Pups as well as the Green Room snacks by North East. Were
there flyers for these chapters available? If there were, I missed them.
There should be more chapters, beyond the local regional ones, involved in
some sponsorship, which is why the SLCG will be providing the newbie ribbons
for the foreseeable future. We will entertain the idea of other
sponsorships in the future – perhaps a breakfast. Not only is this good PR,
but it’s another way of increasing the membership in the ICG, and
consequently, growing the costuming community.

Bruce

Another issue that merits some discussion is the cost to attend Costume-Con.
At least in the past, one of the things that have put off some new people
was the membership (fee). There has been a trend, maybe, the turn of the
century, that more people are waiting until shortly before the convention,
or even pay at the door to purchase their memberships. Anime cons have
typically been cheaper because they draw more attendees, and thus command
better deals with the hotels. However in more recent years, even
memberships at anime cons are slowly creeping up, as Dawn pointed out on the
forum.

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Group: runacc Message: 2226 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – Expense of Memberships
My response to the below issue that Bruce mentioned was this:

With good planning buying a Costume-Con
membership doesn’t have to be much/any more expensive than attending
one of top 10 Anime Cons or big sci-fi cons.

If you buy your CC32 membership right now, ($65), you’re paying less or
about the same as for any of the top 10 Anime Cons. (I’ve added Fanexpo
as #0 for comparison as it’s our big local DragconCon/Comicon type
behemoth and it’s relevant to any Canadians reading this…)

0.FANEXPO Canda 60,000+ ($75) USD

1.Anime Expo: 44,000 total ($75) USD

2.Otakon: 26,300 ($75) USD

3.New York Anime Festival 21,300 ($90) USD

4 Anime North: 16,800 ($55) CAD

5.Sakura-Con: 16,500 ($60)USD

6.A-Kon: 16,000 ($62) USD

7. Anime Central 15,400 estimated paid ($55) USD

8. FanimeCon: estimated 15,000 paid ($60) USD

9. Anime Weekend Atlanta: 11,700 ($45) USD

10 Anime Boston: 9,354 total ($55) USD

Bruce M wrote:

Another issue that merits some discussion is the cost to attend Costume-Con.

At least in the past, one of the things that have put off some new people

was the membership (fee). There has been a trend, maybe, the turn of the

century, that more people are waiting until shortly before the convention,

or even pay at the door to purchase their memberships. Anime cons have

typically been cheaper because they draw more attendees, and thus command

better deals with the hotels. However in more recent years, even

memberships at anime cons are slowly creeping up, as Dawn pointed out on the

forum.

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Group: runacc Message: 2227 From: Nora Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion

Curmudgeon! LOL!

I’m not partial to in-jokes cause they’re generally used to exclude people instead of include, which is of course not what we want.
But so long as they’re explained, as in “we think this is funny & think you will too, here’s what’s meant”, it doesn’t have to be a bad thing.

Nora

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Gravely MacCabre <gravelymac@…> wrote:
> In-jokes:
>
> now that I go to anime cons a lot, there are millions of in jokes they all have
> that I dont get, and when I seem puzzled, I am blown off as too old, or, its
> there con, so its my problem to catch up, and get on track
> so part of me  realizes that we need this positive outreach and need to be
> inclusive, there is, in all honesty a part of me that thinks,
>
> shut up and grow a pair, you’re spoiled and want it all handed to you before we
> even know your name.
>
> okay just venting on this list not in open forum.
> all done now LOL
> Ricky

 

Group: runacc Message: 2228 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion

Now if we only had a copy of toni’s original Baptistown bid flyer…………
Some things are only explained by show-&-tell.

Elaine
Nil significat nisi oscillat!

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: von_drago@yahoo.com
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 21:50:19 +0000
Subject: [runacc] Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion

Curmudgeon! LOL!

I’m not partial to in-jokes cause they’re generally used to exclude people instead of include, which is of course not what we want.
But so long as they’re explained, as in “we think this is funny & think you will too, here’s what’s meant”, it doesn’t have to be a bad thing.

Nora

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Gravely MacCabre <gravelymac@…> wrote:
> In-jokes:
>
> now that I go to anime cons a lot, there are millions of in jokes they all have
> that I dont get, and when I seem puzzled, I am blown off as too old, or, its
> there con, so its my problem to catch up, and get on track
> so part of me� realizes that we need this positive outreach and need to be
> inclusive, there is, in all honesty a part of me that thinks,
>
> shut up and grow a pair, you’re spoiled and want it all handed to you before we
> even know your name.
>
> okay just venting on this list not in open forum.
> all done now LOL
> Ricky

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Group: runacc Message: 2229 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion

Might be n00b of me, but can’t we just let Baptisttown die? It seems to me
like it was a turf-war full of bitterness and anger (perhaps I have gotten
the wrong impression from wrong explanations), and that’s not exactly
something we need to explain to new people, or even at all. Bitter jokes
should die gracefully.

~Aurora

On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 8:39 PM, Elaine Mami <ecmami@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Now if we only had a copy of toni’s original Baptistown bid
> flyer…………
> Some things are only explained by show-&-tell.
>
> Elaine
> Nil significat nisi oscillat!
>
>
>
>
>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: von_drago@yahoo.com
> Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 21:50:19 +0000
> Subject: [runacc] Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for
> newcomer inclusion
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Curmudgeon! LOL!
>
> I’m not partial to in-jokes cause they’re generally used to exclude people
> instead of include, which is of course not what we want.
> But so long as they’re explained, as in “we think this is funny & think you
> will too, here’s what’s meant”, it doesn’t have to be a bad thing.
>
> Nora
>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Gravely MacCabre <gravelymac@…> wrote:
> > In-jokes:
> >
> > now that I go to anime cons a lot, there are millions of in jokes they
> all have
> > that I dont get, and when I seem puzzled, I am blown off as too old, or,
> its
> > there con, so its my problem to catch up, and get on track
> > so part of me realizes that we need this positive outreach and need to
> be
> > inclusive, there is, in all honesty a part of me that thinks,
> >
> > shut up and grow a pair, you’re spoiled and want it all handed to you
> before we
> > even know your name.
> >
> > okay just venting on this list not in open forum.
> > all done now LOL
> > Ricky
>
>
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2230 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion

I fully agree about clueing new members in to our history and about the Lifetime Achievement Award. The history can be presented on con Web sites as well as in the Program Book. Part of our problem is that Costume-Con and the ICG are two separate yet related organizations, as Karen has pointed out. On the one hand, Baptistown, for example, is a Costume-Con tradition that really has nothing to do with the ICG. On the other hand, any attempt to present history on a CC Web site would be greatly enhanced by resources from the ICG archive.

There were Pups flyers available in half a dozen places at the con suite breakfast as well as on the freebies table and the Pups fan table throughout the con. Our table was manned almost all of the time and we ran masquerade videos to attract attention. The flyer was identical to the inside back cover of the program book. One thing that disappointed me at CC 29 was that we did not have more groups sponsoring events in the Con Suite. A lot of time was available for other groups to do so. Exposure is important to improving CC attendance and ICG chapter membership.

Byron

On Jun 3, 2011, at 6:24 AM, Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:

> Other things that bothered some people that we can work on:
>
> In-jokes: While I’ve been around long enough to know about “Baptistown” and
> other subjects from the past, I understand how new people might feel out of
> the loop. Rather than eliminate them, we should make an effort to explain
> them, and let them in on the joke. That not only makes them included, it
> helps to preserve the history of Costume-Con.
>
> The Lifetime Achievement Award – this is probably more the responsibility of
> the sitting President of the ICG, but since the presentation is made at CC,
> it bears mentioning here. This is the highest honor the ICG bestows, yet,
> for the past 2 years, no real explanation was given about the details WHY
> the recipients deserved the award. I know – I’ve watched the videos. If
> the President does not feel comfortable ad-libbing the reason, then at the
> very least, they should read aloud the nomination that was submitted to the
> Board. The new people need to know what the Lifetime Achievement Award
> recipients have done for the community that warrants their recognition.
>
> Another way to bring more people into the community is for the parent
> organization and the individual ICG chapters to get involved in more
> outreach. There were a couple of good examples at CC29, like the sponsored
> breakfast by the Pups as well as the Green Room snacks by North East. Were
> there flyers for these chapters available? If there were, I missed them.
> There should be more chapters, beyond the local regional ones, involved in
> some sponsorship, which is why the SLCG will be providing the newbie ribbons
> for the foreseeable future. We will entertain the idea of other
> sponsorships in the future – perhaps a breakfast. Not only is this good PR,
> but it’s another way of increasing the membership in the ICG, and
> consequently, growing the costuming community.
>
> Bruce
>
> Another issue that merits some discussion is the cost to attend Costume-Con.
> At least in the past, one of the things that have put off some new people
> was the membership (fee). There has been a trend, maybe, the turn of the
> century, that more people are waiting until shortly before the convention,
> or even pay at the door to purchase their memberships. Anime cons have
> typically been cheaper because they draw more attendees, and thus command
> better deals with the hotels. However in more recent years, even
> memberships at anime cons are slowly creeping up, as Dawn pointed out on the
> forum.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2231 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC stuff: Notes for future committees

I wish I had a better sense of what they were expecting and how it differed from what they experienced.

Byron

On Jun 3, 2011, at 6:15 AM, Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:

> Now that CC29 over, we’re left with the usual analysis of how to improve
> the con-goer’s experience next time – especially in a new location for the
> next three years. Reading the comments on the Cosplay.com forum, the major
> observation that has come out of the discussion is that the future
> committees (and veterans) need to concentrate on not just making new people
> feel welcome – they need to build a sense of being a part of our community.
>
> After 5-6 years of (sometimes) haphazard promotion, attempting to attract a
> significant number of newcomers from the anime cons, they’re starting to
> attend in noticeable numbers, and when they come – they feel like outsiders.
> Most of that comes from misconceptions as a result of a lack of information.
>
> Even though there are descriptions of the events on both the main CC site,
> potential newbies want more specific explanations and a better understanding
> of what they will experience. There is a sense of irony here, as I’ve
> mentioned how there is sometimes a problem with individual staff operating
> on the assumption that running a CC is the same as a general SF con. On
> the flip side, concoms have operated on the assumption that anyone coming
> from outside of a CC will easily adapt to the format. This is apparently
> not the case, entirely.
>
> The consensus is that the best first step is to update the Costume-Con.Com
> site. There should be an FAQ that will answer people’s questions they might
> have before making the decision to spend a fairly significant amount of
> money on a convention they are unfamiliar with. I’m working to create that
> FAQ, now, based on their first-time experiences.
>
> The next step involves working to helping new people fit in as quickly as
> possible. Some first-timers “get” CC immediately, without help. For
> others, we need to help new people make connections with those who have been
> going for years. By doing so, it will make them want to come back again
> and again, even if it means having to travel from their home region.
>
> There are already some good ideas in the works for CC30. One is to revive
> the ribbons CC16 & 25 passed out for first-timers to identify themselves so
> that veterans could talk to them. Another is a “meet and greet” in the Con
> Suite. One thing we need to continue is to have the F & SF or FFS MC have
> all the newcomers in the audience stand up, so that they can be applauded.
> (Finally, the “Costume-Con Virgins” panel could be better focused by making
> it more like the FAQ)
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2232 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: At-the-door reg (was Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions f

On Jun 3, 2011, at 3:24 AM, Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:

> Another issue that merits some discussion is the cost to attend Costume-Con.
> At least in the past, one of the things that have put off some new people
> was the membership (fee). There has been a trend, maybe, the turn of the
> century, that more people are waiting until shortly before the convention,
> or even pay at the door to purchase their memberships. Anime cons have
> typically been cheaper because they draw more attendees, and thus command
> better deals with the hotels. However in more recent years, even
> memberships at anime cons are slowly creeping up, as Dawn pointed out on the
> forum.

At-the-door registration patterns are interesting when looking at “new” convention fandoms.

In some cases, people have been trained to buy at the door because large volumes of pre-registered attendees and broken badge-pick-up processes make it quicker to buy at the door. I’ve seen this at some furry conventions and some (infamous) anime conventions. If you’re in the neighborhood of a convention with an awful registration process, it’s difficult to convince people who attend it you’re going to be different.

That said, we totally stole our local anime convention’s pre-reg incentive model for CC26. Of course, they have a reasonable pick-up process. The whole “here’s a code, it’s good for a month, it’s an extra $10 off the prereg rate” idea is something that Fanime has been doing for years.

The significant pre-reg discount may not be a great incentive, but an ***extra*** ***10*** ***dollars*** excites people. Go fig. Maybe Ron Popeil was right. But wait. There’s more!

It drives pre-registration for them (so don’t tell me the “anime kids” don’t preregister) and provides useful data about where spending money promoting provides the greatest returns (not so useful for our event with a new venue every year, but useful to them). They know what pre-reg numbers were like in prior years and aggressively work to make sure that each month’s preregistration goals are met to satisfy their desired growth rate.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 2233 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion

There was no bitterness or anger about it! It was just a hoax bid.

Byron

On Jun 3, 2011, at 8:55 PM, Aurora Celeste wrote:

> Might be n00b of me, but can’t we just let Baptisttown die? It seems to me
> like it was a turf-war full of bitterness and anger (perhaps I have gotten
> the wrong impression from wrong explanations), and that’s not exactly
> something we need to explain to new people, or even at all. Bitter jokes
> should die gracefully.
>
> ~Aurora
>
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 8:39 PM, Elaine Mami <ecmami@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Now if we only had a copy of toni’s original Baptistown bid
> > flyer…………
> > Some things are only explained by show-&-tell.
> >
> > Elaine
> > Nil significat nisi oscillat!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> > From: von_drago@yahoo.com
> > Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 21:50:19 +0000
> > Subject: [runacc] Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for
> > newcomer inclusion
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Curmudgeon! LOL!
> >
> > I’m not partial to in-jokes cause they’re generally used to exclude people
> > instead of include, which is of course not what we want.
> > But so long as they’re explained, as in “we think this is funny & think you
> > will too, here’s what’s meant”, it doesn’t have to be a bad thing.
> >
> > Nora
> >
> > — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Gravely MacCabre <gravelymac@…> wrote:
> > > In-jokes:
> > >
> > > now that I go to anime cons a lot, there are millions of in jokes they
> > all have
> > > that I dont get, and when I seem puzzled, I am blown off as too old, or,
> > its
> > > there con, so its my problem to catch up, and get on track
> > > so part of me� realizes that we need this positive outreach and need to
> > be
> > > inclusive, there is, in all honesty a part of me that thinks,
> > >
> > > shut up and grow a pair, you’re spoiled and want it all handed to you
> > before we
> > > even know your name.
> > >
> > > okay just venting on this list not in open forum.
> > > all done now LOL
> > > Ricky
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2234 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion

Aurora, nope, the original baptistown  stuff, was a successful silly attempt at
difusing a bad costume apa situation, by ghaving a mysterious ladoes league
basically tell people to play nice, or else.

that alas has been lost.
but in 1986 it was the sick pups at thgier finest
Gravely MacCabre
http://www.castleblood.com
http://facebook.com/gravelymaccabre
http://etsy.com/shops/gravelymaccabre

tv show clip samples at
http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood

________________________________
From: Aurora Celeste <auroraceleste@gmail.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 8:55:48 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer
inclusion

Might be n00b of me, but can’t we just let Baptisttown die? It seems to me
like it was a turf-war full of bitterness and anger (perhaps I have gotten
the wrong impression from wrong explanations), and that’s not exactly
something we need to explain to new people, or even at all. Bitter jokes
should die gracefully.

~Aurora

On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 8:39 PM, Elaine Mami <ecmami@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Now if we only had a copy of toni’s original Baptistown bid
> flyer…………
> Some things are only explained by show-&-tell.
>
> Elaine
> Nil significat nisi oscillat!
>
>
>
>
>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: von_drago@yahoo.com
> Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 21:50:19 +0000
> Subject: [runacc] Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for
> newcomer inclusion
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Curmudgeon! LOL!
>
> I’m not partial to in-jokes cause they’re generally used to exclude people
> instead of include, which is of course not what we want.
> But so long as they’re explained, as in “we think this is funny & think you
> will too, here’s what’s meant”, it doesn’t have to be a bad thing.
>
> Nora
>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Gravely MacCabre <gravelymac@…> wrote:
> > In-jokes:
> >
> > now that I go to anime cons a lot, there are millions of in jokes they
> all have
> > that I dont get, and when I seem puzzled, I am blown off as too old, or,
> its
> > there con, so its my problem to catch up, and get on track
> > so part of me realizes that we need this positive outreach and need to
> be
> > inclusive, there is, in all honesty a part of me that thinks,
> >
> > shut up and grow a pair, you’re spoiled and want it all handed to you
> before we
> > even know your name.
> >
> > okay just venting on this list not in open forum.
> > all done now LOL
> > Ricky
>
>
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2235 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion

We’ve discussed that, but there’s never any guarantee the person might be
someone who has a body of work that justifies it, plus we can’t count on
there always being a projection screen.

Bruce

> The Lifetime Achievement Award – this is probably more the responsibility
> of
> the sitting President of the ICG, but since the presentation is made at
> CC,
> it bears mentioning here. This is the highest honor the ICG bestows, yet,
> for the past 2 years, no real explanation was given about the details WHY
> the recipients deserved the award.

Here! Here! Well spoken, Bruce! Perhaps a video retrospective could be
prepared to help visualize the honor.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2236 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: LAA (was: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inc
Not the worst idea I the world. And, I believe it was Byron(?) who
suggested perhaps that ALL the LAA recipients stand up and be recognized at
some point.

Bruce

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Gravely MacCabre
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 11:44 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer
inclusion

when I was asked to hand it out 2 years, i totally tried to give it some
sense
of stature, and context.

including at least reading off the list of past winners, or having all
attending
winners come up on stage to help hand it out/welcome the new person.
if it is our ‘hall of fame’ then the ceremony needs to reflect that. to
reflect
that it matters and is important

if attending, perhaps if you dont choose an mc to do it, maybe the person
that
nominated the winner could be asked to present it, as they obviously feel
the
deepest connection ti that winner

Ricky

6/03/11

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Group: runacc Message: 2237 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – Expense of Memberships
Good info. Somehow, we need to work that in somewhere, as a comparison.
Although, admittedly, you probably do get more value from the anime cons
(depending on your involvement) because there’s a lot going on at them.
Maybe the anime costumers will come to understand how there is a different
value, but to the casual browser, I could see people being turned out.

I think where we can succeed is work very hard on the friendliness and
inclusion into the community thing.

Thank, Dawn.

Bruce

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Kaijugal .
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 1:01 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [runacc] Post CC info for committees – Expense of Memberships

My response to the below issue that Bruce mentioned was this:

With good planning buying a Costume-Con
membership doesn’t have to be much/any more expensive than attending
one of top 10 Anime Cons or big sci-fi cons.

If you buy your CC32 membership right now, ($65), you’re paying less or
about the same as for any of the top 10 Anime Cons. (I’ve added Fanexpo
as #0 for comparison as it’s our big local DragconCon/Comicon type
behemoth and it’s relevant to any Canadians reading this…)

0.FANEXPO Canda 60,000+ ($75) USD

1.Anime Expo: 44,000 total ($75) USD

2.Otakon: 26,300 ($75) USD

3.New York Anime Festival 21,300 ($90) USD

4 Anime North: 16,800 ($55) CAD

5.Sakura-Con: 16,500 ($60)USD

6.A-Kon: 16,000 ($62) USD

7. Anime Central 15,400 estimated paid ($55) USD

8. FanimeCon: estimated 15,000 paid ($60) USD

9. Anime Weekend Atlanta: 11,700 ($45) USD

10 Anime Boston: 9,354 total ($55) USD

Bruce M wrote:

Another issue that merits some discussion is the cost to attend Costume-Con.

At least in the past, one of the things that have put off some new people

was the membership (fee). There has been a trend, maybe, the turn of the

century, that more people are waiting until shortly before the convention,

or even pay at the door to purchase their memberships. Anime cons have

typically been cheaper because they draw more attendees, and thus command

better deals with the hotels. However in more recent years, even

memberships at anime cons are slowly creeping up, as Dawn pointed out on the

forum.

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Group: runacc Message: 2238 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion

Yeah, it was totally a gag. Even Nora and I came late to that gag, so itÂ’s
been around a looooong time.

Toni Lay, being one of the usual suspects/Baptisttown reps, totally got her
come-uppance when, one year, it was announced theyÂ’d actually won the bid.
Talk about deer in the headlights!

So, see, Aurora, youÂ’ve kinda illustrated the point of being out of the loop
on the in-joke – and apparently we didn’t know that this pre-dated CC.

Ricky makes a good point, though, supported by Nora – in-jokes are sort of
exclusionary, and everyone is guilty about that. Wish that had been brought
up on the Cosplay forum at the time.

Bruce

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Byron Connell
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 8:42 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for
newcomer inclusion

There was no bitterness or anger about it! It was just a hoax bid.

Byron

On Jun 3, 2011, at 8:55 PM, Aurora Celeste wrote:

> Might be n00b of me, but can’t we just let Baptisttown die? It seems to me
> like it was a turf-war full of bitterness and anger (perhaps I have gotten
> the wrong impression from wrong explanations), and that’s not exactly
> something we need to explain to new people, or even at all. Bitter jokes
> should die gracefully.
>
> ~Aurora
>
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 8:39 PM, Elaine Mami <ecmami@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Now if we only had a copy of toni’s original Baptistown bid
> > flyer…………
> > Some things are only explained by show-&-tell.
> >
> > Elaine
> > Nil significat nisi oscillat!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> > From: von_drago@yahoo.com
> > Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 21:50:19 +0000
> > Subject: [runacc] Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for
> > newcomer inclusion
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Curmudgeon! LOL!
> >
> > I’m not partial to in-jokes cause they’re generally used to exclude
people
> > instead of include, which is of course not what we want.
> > But so long as they’re explained, as in “we think this is funny & think
you
> > will too, here’s what’s meant”, it doesn’t have to be a bad thing.
> >
> > Nora
> >
> > — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Gravely MacCabre <gravelymac@…> wrote:
> > > In-jokes:
> > >
> > > now that I go to anime cons a lot, there are millions of in jokes they
> > all have
> > > that I dont get, and when I seem puzzled, I am blown off as too old,
or,
> > its
> > > there con, so its my problem to catch up, and get on track
> > > so part of me realizes that we need this positive outreach and need
to
> > be
> > > inclusive, there is, in all honesty a part of me that thinks,
> > >
> > > shut up and grow a pair, you’re spoiled and want it all handed to you
> > before we
> > > even know your name.
> > >
> > > okay just venting on this list not in open forum.
> > > all done now LOL
> > > Ricky
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2239 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: Misperceptions and questions
So – first question, kind of repeating what I said earlier in response to
Dawn: since the FFF will no longer be one of the major expenses the
committees have to worry about, will that allow them to somewhat lower
memberships? That may not be realistic. How do you promote the value of
CC, knowledge-wise, and single focus (all-costumes, all the time) to be
worth the cost?

Another perception that still seems to come up is that somehow the long-time
con-goers are “elitist”. This notion has also been a bane to the ICG over
the years. Some of this perception is the whole shyness thing of the vets,
where newcomers think no one wants to talk to them. Can we do anything
about that? Maybe the initiatives CC30 and 32 are working on might be the
answer.

Bruce

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Group: runacc Message: 2240 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion

Ricky, there’s two parts to the whole thing, remember?
The Baptistown bid flyer was a creation of Toni Lay’s, and was wonderfully insane and Un-PC.
The presentation by the Pups in the CC con-suite was the response to the APA idiocy, perpetrated by one person against pretty much all of the rest of costuming.
I don’t know if the flyer exists anymore, but I know the video of our superbly silly presentation has been preserved on video, because Carl has shown it at Pups’ meetings in the past! Whether Carl has it or it is in the Archives is something I don’t know.
The in jokes in that video are almost impossible to explain at this point, and it should only be shown now to people who were part of it for just that reason.
However, The Baptistown Bid should never die!!

Elaine
Who was there, and part of it all, proudly!!

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: gravelymac@yahoo.com
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 21:01:09 -0700
Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion

Aurora, nope, the original baptistown stuff, was a successful silly attempt at
difusing a bad costume apa situation, by ghaving a mysterious ladoes league
basically tell people to play nice, or else.

that alas has been lost.
but in 1986 it was the sick pups at thgier finest
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________________________________
From: Aurora Celeste <auroraceleste@gmail.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 8:55:48 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer
inclusion

Might be n00b of me, but can’t we just let Baptisttown die? It seems to me
like it was a turf-war full of bitterness and anger (perhaps I have gotten
the wrong impression from wrong explanations), and that’s not exactly
something we need to explain to new people, or even at all. Bitter jokes
should die gracefully.

~Aurora

On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 8:39 PM, Elaine Mami <ecmami@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Now if we only had a copy of toni’s original Baptistown bid
> flyer…………
> Some things are only explained by show-&-tell.
>
> Elaine
> Nil significat nisi oscillat!
>
>
>
>
>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: von_drago@yahoo.com
> Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 21:50:19 +0000
> Subject: [runacc] Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for
> newcomer inclusion
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Curmudgeon! LOL!
>
> I’m not partial to in-jokes cause they’re generally used to exclude people
> instead of include, which is of course not what we want.
> But so long as they’re explained, as in “we think this is funny & think you
> will too, here’s what’s meant”, it doesn’t have to be a bad thing.
>
> Nora
>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Gravely MacCabre <gravelymac@…> wrote:
> > In-jokes:
> >
> > now that I go to anime cons a lot, there are millions of in jokes they
> all have
> > that I dont get, and when I seem puzzled, I am blown off as too old, or,
> its
> > there con, so its my problem to catch up, and get on track
> > so part of me� realizes that we need this positive outreach and need to
> be
> > inclusive, there is, in all honesty a part of me that thinks,
> >
> > shut up and grow a pair, you’re spoiled and want it all handed to you
> before we
> > even know your name.
> >
> > okay just venting on this list not in open forum.
> > all done now LOL
> > Ricky
>
>
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2241 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: Re: Misperceptions and questions

On 6/3/2011 9:30 PM, Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:

> So – first question, kind of repeating what I said earlier in response to
> Dawn: since the FFF will no longer be one of the major expenses the
> committees have to worry about, will that allow them to somewhat lower
> memberships? That may not be realistic. How do you promote the value of
> CC, knowledge-wise, and single focus (all-costumes, all the time) to be
> worth the cost?

Let’s get analytical on the Folio expense.

The print folio is a big expense, early in the con’s cycle when pre-reg
may be only half (or less) of the final attending membership. Shaky
membership numbers can make quoting and getting a good price on a
wild-ass guess quantity is risky. Order too few and your per-copy cost
may be high, order too many and it’s wasted copies. This can be
mitigated by negotiating for a re-order. Mailing costs are, well,
mailing costs and they’re not as cheap as they used to be.

Primary digital distribution changes things a bit.

It reduces the early outlay. Per-copy cost for print folios and mailing
may be astronomical compared to bulk printing, but if you only have to
print and mail a half-dozen copies, it’s a tiny piece of the budget.

If a committee still wants to distribute print copies at con, quantities
are much firmer, making quoting, delivery and waste more manageable. So
even with print copies at-con, it should reduce the con’s expenses. How
much? I don’t know. Only way to learn is to do it.

Not delivering print copies at-con but rather delivering digital copies
on CD to people who register at the door is dirt cheap, and reduces
expenses more.

Now I haven’t seen a CC in years where the money that could be saved by
economizing on the folio couldn’t be turned back into other areas of the
convention. But that’s a budget exercise.

> Another perception that still seems to come up is that somehow the long-time
> con-goers are “elitist”. This notion has also been a bane to the ICG over
> the years. Some of this perception is the whole shyness thing of the vets,
> where newcomers think no one wants to talk to them. Can we do anything
> about that? Maybe the initiatives CC30 and 32 are working on might be the
> answer.

It’s hard to break into a group that only sees everyone once a year.

Several gen SF conventions out here have done “first con” badge ribbons
for people who have never been there before. It’s a cheap expense, it’s
something people like, and helps break the ice. Other fun things could
be having ambassadorial sashes for people who want to take an active
role in welcoming new people. And I like the “newbies” panel early in
the weekend, it was actually successful at both 28 and 29. If a con is
going to offer ribbons to new attendees, perhaps also handing out a card
that say “come to this panel” with the room and time might get more
people who should be there to go.

I missed what 30 and 32 are talking about doing. I’m interested.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 2242 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: Re: Misperceptions and questions

Andy, I will have Marg put you and Kevin on the CC 30 list. Be patient, since she is having a really busy few weeks, work-wise.

Elaine
CC 30 Comfy Chair

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: attrembl@bovil.com
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 14:06:15 -0700
Subject: Re: [runacc] Misperceptions and questions

On 6/3/2011 9:30 PM, Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:
> So – first question, kind of repeating what I said earlier in response to
> Dawn: since the FFF will no longer be one of the major expenses the
> committees have to worry about, will that allow them to somewhat lower
> memberships? That may not be realistic. How do you promote the value of
> CC, knowledge-wise, and single focus (all-costumes, all the time) to be
> worth the cost?

Let’s get analytical on the Folio expense.

The print folio is a big expense, early in the con’s cycle when pre-reg
may be only half (or less) of the final attending membership. Shaky
membership numbers can make quoting and getting a good price on a
wild-ass guess quantity is risky. Order too few and your per-copy cost
may be high, order too many and it’s wasted copies. This can be
mitigated by negotiating for a re-order. Mailing costs are, well,
mailing costs and they’re not as cheap as they used to be.

Primary digital distribution changes things a bit.

It reduces the early outlay. Per-copy cost for print folios and mailing
may be astronomical compared to bulk printing, but if you only have to
print and mail a half-dozen copies, it’s a tiny piece of the budget.

If a committee still wants to distribute print copies at con, quantities
are much firmer, making quoting, delivery and waste more manageable. So
even with print copies at-con, it should reduce the con’s expenses. How
much? I don’t know. Only way to learn is to do it.

Not delivering print copies at-con but rather delivering digital copies
on CD to people who register at the door is dirt cheap, and reduces
expenses more.

Now I haven’t seen a CC in years where the money that could be saved by
economizing on the folio couldn’t be turned back into other areas of the
convention. But that’s a budget exercise.

> Another perception that still seems to come up is that somehow the long-time
> con-goers are “elitist”. This notion has also been a bane to the ICG over
> the years. Some of this perception is the whole shyness thing of the vets,
> where newcomers think no one wants to talk to them. Can we do anything
> about that? Maybe the initiatives CC30 and 32 are working on might be the
> answer.

It’s hard to break into a group that only sees everyone once a year.

Several gen SF conventions out here have done “first con” badge ribbons
for people who have never been there before. It’s a cheap expense, it’s
something people like, and helps break the ice. Other fun things could
be having ambassadorial sashes for people who want to take an active
role in welcoming new people. And I like the “newbies” panel early in
the weekend, it was actually successful at both 28 and 29. If a con is
going to offer ribbons to new attendees, perhaps also handing out a card
that say “come to this panel” with the room and time might get more
people who should be there to go.

I missed what 30 and 32 are talking about doing. I’m interested.

andy

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Group: runacc Message: 2243 From: Nora Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)

Briefly a couple of ideas that are being hashed out (and will happen because they’re going to be independently funded so the con doesn’t have to worry about the expense):

1. “My First Costume-Con” ribbons – definitely going to happen.
Bruce & I made the offer to fund these for CC32 initially & then extended the offer to CC30 & CC31. All three cons were happy to accept so we’ve got a plan to order copious amounts & hand them out at every CC ongoing.
And the SLCG has agreed to sponsor this instead of us personally (although it was going to happen regardless) with the only recognition of same being a “ribbons sponsored by” line in the Program book.

And since the ribbons can be the same for every year we can get a good deal on them – white, horizontal ribbons with black lettering.

2. Welcome Wagon – this one isn’t as finalized yet but basically it would consist of a team of Native Guides who would guide newbies around the con, explain things to them, look for lost souls, introduce the new folks to the vets, etc.

Haven’t got all the details together yet but the concept is to provide new people with some folks who can help them find where they need to be, explain jokes & references they don’t get, introduce them to folks with similar interests… just help them wherever they can.
Kind of like a wandering den mom – a “Con Mom”.

Nora

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Trembley <attrembl@…> wrote:
> It’s hard to break into a group that only sees everyone once a year.
>
> Several gen SF conventions out here have done “first con” badge ribbons
> for people who have never been there before. It’s a cheap expense, it’s
> something people like, and helps break the ice. Other fun things could
> be having ambassadorial sashes for people who want to take an active
> role in welcoming new people. And I like the “newbies” panel early in
> the weekend, it was actually successful at both 28 and 29. If a con is
> going to offer ribbons to new attendees, perhaps also handing out a card
> that say “come to this panel” with the room and time might get more
> people who should be there to go.
>
> I missed what 30 and 32 are talking about doing. I’m interested.
>
> andy
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2244 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: Re: LAA (was: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer
re standing up/past winner intros

everyone coming on stage was my idea and we did it first in ogden with that
beautiful stage.

byron was of course a part of it, and if he suggested it previously, that
wouldnt surprise me at all, with his understanding of history and ceremony

so I coulda heard it somewhere else for sure
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From: Nora & Bruce Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, June 4, 2011 12:13:54 AM
Subject: [runacc] LAA (was: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for
newcomer inclusion)

Not the worst idea I the world. And, I believe it was Byron(?) who
suggested perhaps that ALL the LAA recipients stand up and be recognized at
some point.

Bruce

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Gravely MacCabre
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 11:44 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer
inclusion

when I was asked to hand it out 2 years, i totally tried to give it some
sense
of stature, and context.

including at least reading off the list of past winners, or having all
attending
winners come up on stage to help hand it out/welcome the new person.
if it is our ‘hall of fame’ then the ceremony needs to reflect that. to
reflect
that it matters and is important

if attending, perhaps if you dont choose an mc to do it, maybe the person
that
nominated the winner could be asked to present it, as they obviously feel
the
deepest connection ti that winner

Ricky

6/03/11

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Group: runacc Message: 2245 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
Actually, this one is also a definite for CC 30. The details are still being worked on, but look for some surprisingly obvious *suggestions* that This is A Person Who is Happy to Help You!

I really love these suggestions, and how my incredible team is rushing to embrace them! Thanks, all of you!!

Elaine

2. Welcome Wagon – this one isn’t as finalized yet but basically it would consist of a team of Native Guides who would guide newbies around the con, explain things to them, look for lost souls, introduce the new folks to the vets, etc.

Haven’t got all the details together yet but the concept is to provide new people with some folks who can help them find where they need to be, explain jokes & references they don’t get, introduce them to folks with similar interests… just help them wherever they can.
Kind of like a wandering den mom – a “Con Mom”.

Nora

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Group: runacc Message: 2246 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)
Yeah, that’s what I meant. Just that we haven’t got all the details ironed
out. If it work well at CC30 (pioneers!) then we can offer the service to
future cons.

I think it will be fun for the Guides as well as helpful for the newbies.

Nora

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Elaine Mami
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 5:53 PM
To: Betsy D
Subject: RE: [runacc] Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)

Actually, this one is also a definite for CC 30. The details are still
being worked on, but look for some surprisingly obvious *suggestions* that
This is A Person Who is Happy to Help You!

I really love these suggestions, and how my incredible team is rushing to
embrace them! Thanks, all of you!!

Elaine

2. Welcome Wagon – this one isn’t as finalized yet but basically it would
consist of a team of Native Guides who would guide newbies around the con,
explain things to them, look for lost souls, introduce the new folks to the
vets, etc.

Haven’t got all the details together yet but the concept is to provide new
people with some folks who can help them find where they need to be, explain
jokes & references they don’t get, introduce them to folks with similar
interests… just help them wherever they can.
Kind of like a wandering den mom – a “Con Mom”.

Nora

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Group: runacc Message: 2247 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: Re: LAA (was: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer

To my recollection, yours was the first time we did that. It was a very good idea.

Byron

On Jun 4, 2011, at 6:46 PM, Gravely MacCabre wrote:

> re standing up/past winner intros
>
> everyone coming on stage was my idea and we did it first in ogden with that
> beautiful stage.
>
> byron was of course a part of it, and if he suggested it previously, that
> wouldnt surprise me at all, with his understanding of history and ceremony
>
> so I coulda heard it somewhere else for sure
> Gravely MacCabre
> http://www.castleblood.com
> http://facebook.com/gravelymaccabre
> http://etsy.com/shops/gravelymaccabre
>
> tv show clip samples at
> http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood
>
> ________________________________
> From: Nora & Bruce Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sat, June 4, 2011 12:13:54 AM
> Subject: [runacc] LAA (was: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for
> newcomer inclusion)
>
>
> Not the worst idea I the world. And, I believe it was Byron(?) who
> suggested perhaps that ALL the LAA recipients stand up and be recognized at
> some point.
>
> Bruce
>
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Gravely MacCabre
> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 11:44 AM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [runacc] Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer
> inclusion
>
> when I was asked to hand it out 2 years, i totally tried to give it some
> sense
> of stature, and context.
>
> including at least reading off the list of past winners, or having all
> attending
> winners come up on stage to help hand it out/welcome the new person.
> if it is our ‘hall of fame’ then the ceremony needs to reflect that. to
> reflect
> that it matters and is important
>
> if attending, perhaps if you dont choose an mc to do it, maybe the person
> that
> nominated the winner could be asked to present it, as they obviously feel
> the
> deepest connection ti that winner
>
> Ricky
>
> 6/03/11
>
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Group: runacc Message: 2248 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/5/2011
Subject: Re: Newbie stuff (Re: Misperceptions and questions)

In a message dated 6/4/2011 5:41:07 PM Central Daylight Time,
von_drago@yahoo.com writes:

> 2. Welcome Wagon – this one isn’t as finalized yet but basically it would
> consist of a team of Native Guides who would guide newbies around the con,
> explain things to them, look for lost souls, introduce the new folks to
> the vets, etc.
>

I like this idea!

> Haven’t got all the details together yet but the concept is to provide
> new people with some folks who can help them find where they need to be,
> explain jokes &references they don’t get, introduce them to folks with similar
> interests… just help them wherever they can.
> Kind of like a wandering den mom – a “Con Mom”.

Good idea. Question: In this area, Con Mom is the person that is on staff
that makes sure other staffers are alright, as in have eaten, slept, gone to
the bathroom, etc. So, might another name be better, such as Friendly Native
Guide? Just a question and an idea.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2249 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion

At 01:31 PM 6/4/2011, you wrote:

I haven’t noticed it in the videos Carl has brought me, but I haven’t
been through everything yet. We should probably try to find it.

Pierre

>Ricky, there’s two parts to the whole thing, remember?
>The Baptistown bid flyer was a creation of Toni Lay’s, and was
>wonderfully insane and Un-PC.
>The presentation by the Pups in the CC con-suite was the response to
>the APA idiocy, perpetrated by one person against pretty much all of
>the rest of costuming.
>I don’t know if the flyer exists anymore, but I know the video of
>our superbly silly presentation has been preserved on video, because
>Carl has shown it at Pups’ meetings in the past! Whether Carl has
>it or it is in the Archives is something I don’t know.
>The in jokes in that video are almost impossible to explain at this
>point, and it should only be shown now to people who were part of it
>for just that reason.
>However, The Baptistown Bid should never die!!
>
>Elaine
>Who was there, and part of it all, proudly!!
>
>To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
>From: gravelymac@yahoo.com
>Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 21:01:09 -0700
>Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions
>for newcomer inclusion
>
>Aurora, nope, the original baptistown stuff, was a successful silly
>attempt at
>difusing a bad costume apa situation, by ghaving a mysterious ladoes league
>basically tell people to play nice, or else.
>
>that alas has been lost.
>but in 1986 it was the sick pups at thgier finest
> Gravely MacCabre
>From: Aurora Celeste <auroraceleste@gmail.com>
>To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 8:55:48 PM
>Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions
>for newcomer
>inclusion
>
>
>Might be n00b of me, but can’t we just let Baptisttown die? It seems to me
>like it was a turf-war full of bitterness and anger (perhaps I have gotten
>the wrong impression from wrong explanations), and that’s not exactly
>something we need to explain to new people, or even at all. Bitter jokes
>should die gracefully.
>
>~Aurora

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Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly –
Why They Are Simply Doomed.”

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Group: runacc Message: 2250 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/6/2011
Subject: Re: Post CC info for committees – suggestions for newcomer inclusion

I have a totally vague recollection that Marty might have a copy if you
don’t, Pierre. Trouble is, I don’t recall whether I saw the presentation and
visualized it or saw it for real. Such a LONG time ago!

-b

On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Pierre & Sandy Pettinger <
costumrs@radiks.net> wrote:

>
>
> At 01:31 PM 6/4/2011, you wrote:
>
> I haven’t noticed it in the videos Carl has brought me, but I haven’t
> been through everything yet. We should probably try to find it.
>
> Pierre
>
> —



Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

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