And there was much rejoicing!!!!!

Kevin Roche wrote:

> Just a quick update for folks who’ve been wondering.
>
> Today we surmounted the final paperwork hurdle and successfully opened
> the CC26 bank account.
>
> So to the 51 people who sent in voting fees — they are now happily
> deposited.

‘k, it’s come up again.

I’m not going to rant about crazymakers who run fleeing everytime
“internet” is mentioned. I am going to say I like the idea of having
convention documents available electronically.

Various comments and suggestions have been floated.

I think printed copies of doc must be available, and should be the
default delivery method for pre-registered members. I think that it’s
worthwhile to have an “opt-out” registration option where a member
could request digital copies only, thus (in theory) cutting the
production budget.

I’m not so sure that advance materials need to be available in print
for at-con registrations. How many committees ended up with tons of
extra print materials at the end of the weekend? A limited number of
print copies and a greater volume of CDs of advance materials may be
more cost-effective.

That requires rules and waivers that specify electronic distribution.

A combined print/digital program book may also be a good cost-saving
option. The print program doesn’t have to be as large, and only
contains information vital to getting through the weekend (“welcome,”
schedule, rules, paid print ads, Con-Stitution if required to be in
print) and the included CD has everything else (all print material plus
bios, paid electronic ads, perhaps a retrospective from the previous
year’s convention, supplemental documents). WorldCon in Glasgow did
this to mixed effect; their choices of things to include in print were
a bit strange.

—
Andy Trembley, Bull-in-Drag
The Bovine Illuminati (It’s the Cows, Inc.)
http://www.bovil.com/
Moo!

Sandy sent a note to Nora for CC25’s Fashion Folio, but I thought I’d
repeat a few of her points here. (Actually they’re my points since
I’m the one who’s been bitching about it.)

First, many designers seem incapable of following directions. Our
rules need to emphasize in large, bold, and capital letters that all
designs must be submitted in BLACK and WHITE LINE ART! We received a
lot of designs that didn’t follow this rule. Some came in blue ink.
Some submitted only color versions. A few submitted black and whites;
but they were photocopies of the colored versions so, of course, were
totally unsuitable for reproduction.

We need, apparently, to emphasize that designs must be on plain
white paper. We received an envelope of designs all on lined paper.

We need to make a change in the rules regarding descriptions.
Normally we’ve always asked for the descriptions on the back of the
designs. However, especially with a lot of people using computers to
print their descriptions, we got a lot of bleed through when we were
scanning designs. (this last is not a case of not following
directions, of course, but a case of changing the directions. 0

I’m having to re-trace a lot of the designs that were selected. Since
the submittal rate was smaller than we would have liked we didn’t
feel we could disqualify anything because of these failures.

The couple of people who submitted designs on disk were great! We
could easily copy the files directly to my holding file. Most of the
folks who did this had a single file with descriptions. So long as it
is easy to correlate descriptions with designs, this works well.

We also may want to emphasize including titles and descriptions with
designs (and note that we also note to refrain from notes and little
arrows on the front of the designs.) We’re beginning to get entries
from fashion design students, which is great, but they have a
different set of conventions then we do and we need to guide them.

Anyone have any comments?

Pierre

“Those Who Fail To Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly —
Why They Are Simply Doomed.

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C.Y. 4971

Andromeda

I agree with all of your comments.

We had the same issues with submissions for the Folio last year.

I definitely think it is time to break the descriptions out onto a second
piece of paper. However, it should be one description per sheet, especially
for judging purposes–the drawing and description need to be together, and
having a stack of drawings and one sheet with all the descriptions doesn’t
work. (We ended up photocopying the multi-description sheet, cutting it
apart, and paper-clipping the individual descriptions to the drawings.)

Obviously, all the variances from the rules that you describe make things
harder for the director, the judges, and the Folio layout person.
Sometimes, you just roll with it and “tweak” things; sometimes, it becomes
an irritating amount of additional work. Unfortunately, the number of
submissions has been so low lately that doing disqualifications would
really hurt the competition.

Fran Evans thinks it might be helpful if we have a “sample” submission that
potential entrants can look at in addition to the written rules. (She
mentioned this to me last year.) Some people are more visually oriented and
will “get” the directions if they can see a demonstration.

I also have to comment, though, that every issue you mention has been an
issue for a long time…we’ve had to “tweak” artwork for the Folio since
Costume-Con 1 (re-drawing, re-shading, whiting out construction notes and
arrows, making up titles and descriptions for designs that have none,
etc.). So I think it’s an ongoing issue, not a recent one.

–Karen

At 04:48 PM 10/17/2005 -0500, you wrote:

>Sandy sent a note to Nora for CC25’s Fashion Folio, but I thought I’d
>repeat a few of her points here. (Actually they’re my points since
>I’m the one who’s been bitching about it.)
>
>First, many designers seem incapable of following directions. Our
>rules need to emphasize in large, bold, and capital letters that all
>designs must be submitted in BLACK and WHITE LINE ART! We received a
>lot of designs that didn’t follow this rule. Some came in blue ink.
>Some submitted only color versions. A few submitted black and whites;
>but they were photocopies of the colored versions so, of course, were
>totally unsuitable for reproduction.
>
>We need, apparently, to emphasize that designs must be on plain
>white paper. We received an envelope of designs all on lined paper.
>
>We need to make a change in the rules regarding descriptions.
>Normally we’ve always asked for the descriptions on the back of the
>designs. However, especially with a lot of people using computers to
>print their descriptions, we got a lot of bleed through when we were
>scanning designs. (this last is not a case of not following
>directions, of course, but a case of changing the directions. 0
>
>I’m having to re-trace a lot of the designs that were selected. Since
>the submittal rate was smaller than we would have liked we didn’t
>feel we could disqualify anything because of these failures.
>
>The couple of people who submitted designs on disk were great! We
>could easily copy the files directly to my holding file. Most of the
>folks who did this had a single file with descriptions. So long as it
>is easy to correlate descriptions with designs, this works well.
>
>We also may want to emphasize including titles and descriptions with
>designs (and note that we also note to refrain from notes and little
>arrows on the front of the designs.) We’re beginning to get entries
>from fashion design students, which is great, but they have a
>different set of conventions then we do and we need to guide them.
>
>Anyone have any comments?
>
>Pierre
>
>
>”Those Who Fail To Learn History
>Are Doomed to Repeat It;
>Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly —
>Why They Are Simply Doomed.
>
>Achemdro’hm
>”The Illusion of Historical Fact”
> — C.Y. 4971
>
>Andromeda
>
>
>
>
>
>View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

I think that’s an excellent idea!

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: Ricky & Karen Dick<mailto:castleb@pulsenet.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 12:27 AM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Fashion Folios

Fran Evans thinks it might be helpful if we have a “sample” submission that
potential entrants can look at in addition to the written rules. (She
mentioned this to me last year.) Some people are more visually oriented and
will “get” the directions if they can see a demonstration.

–Karen

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

We’re working on re-designing some elements of the CC25 website & I think
I’ll include that, soudns like a good idea to me.
Do you think the web “sample” is sufficient? We would also include
directions to that sample on our flyers, but I feel like putting them on the
flyer would take up too much space.

Nora

—– Original Message —–
From: “Byron Connell” <bpconnell@verizon.net>
>I think that’s an excellent idea!
> —– Original Message —–
> From: Ricky & Karen Dick<mailto:castleb@pulsenet.com>
> Fran Evans thinks it might be helpful if we have a “sample” submission
> that
> potential entrants can look at in addition to the written rules. (She
> mentioned this to me last year.) Some people are more visually oriented
> and
> will “get” the directions if they can see a demonstration.

At 09:47 PM 10/18/2005, you wrote:

I agree.

Pierre

>I think that’s an excellent idea!
>
>Byron
>
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: Ricky & Karen Dick<mailto:castleb@pulsenet.com>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 12:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [runacc] Fashion Folios
>
>
> Fran Evans thinks it might be helpful if we have a “sample”
> submission that
> potential entrants can look at in addition to the written rules. (She
> mentioned this to me last year.) Some people are more visually
> oriented and
> will “get” the directions if they can see a demonstration.
>
>
> –Karen

“Those Who Fail To Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly —
Why They Are Simply Doomed.

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C.Y. 4971

Andromeda

At 11:27 PM 10/17/2005, you wrote:

>I agree with all of your comments.
>
>We had the same issues with submissions for the Folio last year.
>
>I definitely think it is time to break the descriptions out onto a second
>piece of paper. However, it should be one description per sheet, especially
>for judging purposes–the drawing and description need to be together, and
>having a stack of drawings and one sheet with all the descriptions doesn’t
>work. (We ended up photocopying the multi-description sheet, cutting it
>apart, and paper-clipping the individual descriptions to the drawings.)
>
>Obviously, all the variances from the rules that you describe make things
>harder for the director, the judges, and the Folio layout person.
>Sometimes, you just roll with it and “tweak” things; sometimes, it becomes
>an irritating amount of additional work. Unfortunately, the number of
>submissions has been so low lately that doing disqualifications would
>really hurt the competition.
>
>Fran Evans thinks it might be helpful if we have a “sample” submission that
>potential entrants can look at in addition to the written rules. (She
>mentioned this to me last year.) Some people are more visually oriented and
>will “get” the directions if they can see a demonstration.
>
>I also have to comment, though, that every issue you mention has been an
>issue for a long time…we’ve had to “tweak” artwork for the Folio since
>Costume-Con 1 (re-drawing, re-shading, whiting out construction notes and
>arrows, making up titles and descriptions for designs that have none,
>etc.). So I think it’s an ongoing issue, not a recent one.

Oh, of course. But it certainly seemed much worse this year compared
to the other years we’ve been involved in the Folio creation (CC10
and CC21.) It could be I’m just mis-remembering, but …..

Pierre

>–Karen

“Those Who Fail To Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly —
Why They Are Simply Doomed.

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C.Y. 4971

Andromeda

On Oct 19, 2005, at 2:46 PM, Pierre & Sandy Pettinger wrote:

> Oh, of course. But it certainly seemed much worse this year compared
> to the other years we’ve been involved in the Folio creation (CC10
> and CC21.) It could be I’m just mis-remembering, but …..

I think this falls back to one big thing.

The CC archives on the web have no folio design entries. Yes, they have
show photos, but that’s very different. The only examples we have are
the plates up on Cat’s website, and while that’s great, it’s not our
website.

—
andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
San Jose, CA – ’72 R75/5 ’86 R100 (mine) – ’92 K75sa ’03 R1150R
(Kevin’s)
…remaining .sig trimmed for better message/.sig ratio

Hi!

Karen was working to get permission to publish retroactively from the
designers in the folios, but this is very tough work. A lot of the
designers aren’t reachable by any useful means, and some are ADAMANT
that their designs not be reproduced. Even at 72dpi, the images may
still be reproduced elsewhere. I get email all the time (especially
during Halloween) asking where this costume or that is available to
purchase.

While I’ve taken considerable liberty in publishing the photos of the
costumes, I can’t do that with the folios.

And then there’s the scanning/editing time.

I’m working on catching up the site (photos only), but believe me,
watching Katie is a full-time job, unlike Erin was. She’s not content to
sit and play with toys. She’s very good mechanically and much stronger
than her sister was at this age. Translation? I get 15 minutes, tops, at
the computer per session before I’m interrupted and have to stop her
from doing something detrimental to herself or my stuff.

I don’t even have the time right now to shift the job to someone else.

I can take comfort in knowing that this will change in another year or
so, but until she goes off to preschool (Sept, 2007 unless I get her
into a full-time program, and that would mean I’ve gotten a day job),
I’m stuck.

Frustrated in Maryland
(aka Betsy)

Andrew T Trembley wrote:

> On Oct 19, 2005, at 2:46 PM, Pierre & Sandy Pettinger wrote:
>
>>Oh, of course. But it certainly seemed much worse this year compared
>>to the other years we’ve been involved in the Folio creation (CC10
>>and CC21.) It could be I’m just mis-remembering, but …..
>
>
> I think this falls back to one big thing.
>
> The CC archives on the web have no folio design entries. Yes, they have
> show photos, but that’s very different. The only examples we have are
> the plates up on Cat’s website, and while that’s great, it’s not our
> website.
>

—
—
Betsy Delaney
*************************************************************************
http://www.hawkeswood.com/ * http://www.OutOftheBlackBox.org/
http://www.BarkingMad.org/ * http://www.sickpups.org/
http://www.Costume-Con.org/ * http://www.SchoolWithoutWalls.org/
*************************************************************************

At 04:13 PM 10/20/2005, you wrote:

>Hi!
>
>Karen was working to get permission to publish retroactively from the
>designers in the folios, but this is very tough work. A lot of the
>designers aren’t reachable by any useful means, and some are ADAMANT
>that their designs not be reproduced. Even at 72dpi, the images may
>still be reproduced elsewhere. I get email all the time (especially
>during Halloween) asking where this costume or that is available to
>purchase.

Betsy,

I think I’ve mentioned this before. However, when and if you do get
around to it, you have our permission to use any of our design
drawings. If you need something officially signed, send it along when needed.

Pierre

>While I’ve taken considerable liberty in publishing the photos of the
>costumes, I can’t do that with the folios.
>
>And then there’s the scanning/editing time.
>
>I’m working on catching up the site (photos only), but believe me,
>watching Katie is a full-time job, unlike Erin was. She’s not content to
>sit and play with toys. She’s very good mechanically and much stronger
>than her sister was at this age. Translation? I get 15 minutes, tops, at
>the computer per session before I’m interrupted and have to stop her
>from doing something detrimental to herself or my stuff.
>
>I don’t even have the time right now to shift the job to someone else.
>
>I can take comfort in knowing that this will change in another year or
>so, but until she goes off to preschool (Sept, 2007 unless I get her
>into a full-time program, and that would mean I’ve gotten a day job),
>I’m stuck.
>
>Frustrated in Maryland
>(aka Betsy)
>
>Andrew T Trembley wrote:
> > On Oct 19, 2005, at 2:46 PM, Pierre & Sandy Pettinger wrote:
> >
> >>Oh, of course. But it certainly seemed much worse this year compared
> >>to the other years we’ve been involved in the Folio creation (CC10
> >>and CC21.) It could be I’m just mis-remembering, but …..
> >
> >
> > I think this falls back to one big thing.
> >
> > The CC archives on the web have no folio design entries. Yes, they have
> > show photos, but that’s very different. The only examples we have are
> > the plates up on Cat’s website, and while that’s great, it’s not our
> > website.
> >
>Betsy Delaney

“Those Who Fail To Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly —
Why They Are Simply Doomed.

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C.Y. 4971

Andromeda

Yep! I think I knew that. I got a short list from Karen a while ago,
when she was working actively on the project last, but it’s buried
somewhere in my email. I’m right there with you. (I was prolific for a
solid five years before I burned out on the line art.)

Thanks!

Betsy

Pierre & Sandy Pettinger wrote:

> Betsy,
>
> I think I’ve mentioned this before. However, when and if you do get
> around to it, you have our permission to use any of our design
> drawings. If you need something officially signed, send it along when needed.
>
> Pierre

—
—
Betsy Delaney
*************************************************************************
http://www.hawkeswood.com/ * http://www.OutOftheBlackBox.org/
http://www.BarkingMad.org/ * http://www.sickpups.org/
http://www.Costume-Con.org/ * http://www.SchoolWithoutWalls.org/
*************************************************************************

Big favor…

CC26 is looking for past CC financial records to help us flesh out our
budget planning process. I know Betsy has the CC15 budget posted on
costume-con.org, but that’s a decade ago so the numbers are only going
to remotely apply.

Any of you willing to email me copies of records so we can make sure
that our forecasts are sane?

—
andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
San Jose, CA – ’72 R75/5 ’86 R100 (mine) – ’92 K75sa ’03 R1150R
(Kevin’s)
“It’s not pink, it’s peach-colored. Pink is tacky.”
–Manfred Pfirsich Marie Rommel

2nd most important safety device on my bike: the one beneath my right
hand
Most important safety device on my bike: the one inside my helmet

We don’t have a whole lot, and what we do have would be not much different
than Betsy’s

Bruce

—– Original Message —–
From: “Andrew T Trembley” <attrembl@bovil.com>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: “Lisa Deutsch Harrigan” <lisa@harrigan.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 5:45 PM
Subject: [runacc] Budget files/spreadsheets

> Big favor…
>
> CC26 is looking for past CC financial records to help us flesh out our
> budget planning process. I know Betsy has the CC15 budget posted on
> costume-con.org, but that’s a decade ago so the numbers are only going
> to remotely apply.
>
> Any of you willing to email me copies of records so we can make sure
> that our forecasts are sane?
>
> —
> andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
> San Jose, CA – ’72 R75/5 ’86 R100 (mine) – ’92 K75sa ’03 R1150R
> (Kevin’s)
> “It’s not pink, it’s peach-colored. Pink is tacky.”
> –Manfred Pfirsich Marie Rommel
>
> 2nd most important safety device on my bike: the one beneath my right
> hand
> Most important safety device on my bike: the one inside my helmet
>
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Nora and I were having another one of our “costume wonk” discussions
yesterday morning, and we came up with what we thought was a neat idea.

There’s been much discussion on the CC25 list about free memberships, and
Pierre and I need to hash out where are the best venues for doing so.
(That’s another discussion for another time.)

What I want to speak to specifically is a subject brought up more than once
on the D list, among other places, by mostly younger folks. To wit: We’re
all trying to reach out to the younger set to bring them to our playground,
but they find it prohibitively expensive to attend, in comparison to the
relative low cost of an anime con. This is going to continue to be a
barrier in the future. We, as organizers, have professed a need to bring in
more attendees and broaden the con’s appeal.

One of the ways this has been done in the past is to give away free
memberships to the BIS or “Most Promising Novice” winners at regionals. (Has
it been done at Worldcons? I don’t know).

Some CCs have had reduced rates for students, which I think is a good idea.
We’re going to do this at CC25.

But here’s our concept: What about a grant to a particular person who
otherwise could not attend because of economic reasons? This would amount
to not only the price of a membership, but a room — possibly traveling
expenses (gas money, essentially) and maybe something for food. We see
this as a pretty low-cost, philanthropic win-win situation. Unfortunately,
it’s probably too late for us to do, but something maybe the future CC heads
might want to think about.

Obviously, this is all predicated on whether Karen would approve of this.

Here are some questions, with some possible answers, but obviously not the
only ones.

1. How is a worthy recipient determined?
Possibly an application process.

2. Are there any parameters, like age, economic status?.
I’m thinking that the only factor that would probably rule someone
immediately is whether they’d been to a CC before. If someone has an
interest in costuming, no matter what their age, they should be eligible,
otherwise. Economic status is entirely different thing. Not sure how to
handle that. That’s why it may be easier to pick a young person, rather
than someone our own age.

3. Who determines who is worthy?
There would have to be a committee. That committee could either be
appointed by Karen or made up of future committee people.

3. How much money are we actually talking here?
As I thought about this, the cost could be relatively low, depending on the
cooperation of the various concoms. Memberships are essentially “free”.
Frequently, hotels give a certain number of free room nights to the
committee as part of their contract — that might be another cost cut. So
the real cost would be the gas money and any other money for food. Perhaps
a good way to handle this even better would be that the recipient must come
from the region where that year’s CC would be.

And here’s a good reason why: publicity. By promoting the grant at the
local schools, historical recreation groups, SCA events, etc., it would
generate a buzz in those communities. It could also be promoted in various
publications, websites, and so on. Promoting the fact that the grant has a
value somewhere in the three-figure range, this might get some local press
coverage, too.

My guess is that a grant would be made possible by willing concoms with
money left over after all other expenses have been taken care of. We know
that there has been an informal tradition of giving “seed money” to future
concoms – why not set aside a small amount to make this possible? It
wouldn’t be declared as an annual thing, so there’s no pressure on the
committees. If there’s not enough money, a grant would not be announced.

There are some other details about the recipient selection process I have
partially thought out, but I can’t quite get them down in words without
making things overly complicated. Right now, we’d just like to hear what
you folks think.

Bruce

OK, so you generate a lot of buzz, and everyone gets excited about going
– to the next CC, which will be hundreds of miles away. They won’t come
to ours until the first person (with the “grant”) reports back that it
was cool.

I’m not saying I don’t like the grant idea, per se; it simply doesn’t
work well with a floating convention. For a convention that stays put
in a city from year to year, yeah, it makes a lot of sense.

Karen

Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> Nora and I were having another one of our “costume wonk” discussions
> yesterday morning, and we came up with what we thought was a neat idea.
>
>
> What I want to speak to specifically is a subject brought up more than
> once
> on the D list, among other places, by mostly younger folks. To wit:
> We’re
> all trying to reach out to the younger set to bring them to our
> playground,
> but they find it prohibitively expensive to attend, in comparison to the
> relative low cost of an anime con. This is going to continue to be a
> barrier in the future. We, as organizers, have professed a need to
> bring in
> more attendees and broaden the con’s appeal.
>
> One of the ways this has been done in the past is to give away free
> memberships to the BIS or “Most Promising Novice” winners at
> regionals. (Has
> it been done at Worldcons? I don’t know).
>
> Some CCs have had reduced rates for students, which I think is a good
> idea.
> We’re going to do this at CC25.
>
> But here’s our concept: What about a grant to a particular person who
> otherwise could not attend because of economic reasons? This would
> amount
> to not only the price of a membership, but a room — possibly traveling
> expenses (gas money, essentially) and maybe something for food. We see
> this as a pretty low-cost, philanthropic win-win situation.
> Unfortunately,
> it’s probably too late for us to do, but something maybe the future CC
> heads
> might want to think about.
>
> Obviously, this is all predicated on whether Karen would approve of this.
>
> Here are some questions, with some possible answers, but obviously not
> the
> only ones.
>
> 1. How is a worthy recipient determined?
> Possibly an application process.
>
> 2. Are there any parameters, like age, economic status?.
> I’m thinking that the only factor that would probably rule someone
> immediately is whether they’d been to a CC before. If someone has an
> interest in costuming, no matter what their age, they should be eligible,
> otherwise. Economic status is entirely different thing. Not sure how to
> handle that. That’s why it may be easier to pick a young person, rather
> than someone our own age.
>
> 3. Who determines who is worthy?
> There would have to be a committee. That committee could either be
> appointed by Karen or made up of future committee people.
>
> 3. How much money are we actually talking here?
> As I thought about this, the cost could be relatively low, depending
> on the
> cooperation of the various concoms. Memberships are essentially “free”.
> Frequently, hotels give a certain number of free room nights to the
> committee as part of their contract — that might be another cost
> cut. So
> the real cost would be the gas money and any other money for food.
> Perhaps
> a good way to handle this even better would be that the recipient must
> come
> from the region where that year’s CC would be.
>
> And here’s a good reason why: publicity. By promoting the grant at the
> local schools, historical recreation groups, SCA events, etc., it would
> generate a buzz in those communities. It could also be promoted in
> various
> publications, websites, and so on. Promoting the fact that the grant
> has a
> value somewhere in the three-figure range, this might get some local
> press
> coverage, too.
>
> My guess is that a grant would be made possible by willing concoms with
> money left over after all other expenses have been taken care of. We
> know
> that there has been an informal tradition of giving “seed money” to
> future
> concoms – why not set aside a small amount to make this possible? It
> wouldn’t be declared as an annual thing, so there’s no pressure on the
> committees. If there’s not enough money, a grant would not be announced.
>
> There are some other details about the recipient selection process I have
> partially thought out, but I can’t quite get them down in words without
> making things overly complicated. Right now, we’d just like to hear what
> you folks think.
>

A review of the procedures used for TAFF and DUFF (the Trans-Atlantic Fan Fund and the Down Under Fan Fund) to bring an SF fan to North America every other year from Europe and Australia, and to send one to each location from North America in the interval, might provide leads on how such grants are made and to whom.

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: Bruce & Nora Mai<mailto:casamai@sbcglobal.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 3:38 PM
Subject: [runacc] A CC25 grant?

Nora and I were having another one of our “costume wonk” discussions
yesterday morning, and we came up with what we thought was a neat idea.

There’s been much discussion on the CC25 list about free memberships, and
Pierre and I need to hash out where are the best venues for doing so.
(That’s another discussion for another time.)

What I want to speak to specifically is a subject brought up more than once
on the D list, among other places, by mostly younger folks. To wit: We’re
all trying to reach out to the younger set to bring them to our playground,
but they find it prohibitively expensive to attend, in comparison to the
relative low cost of an anime con. This is going to continue to be a
barrier in the future. We, as organizers, have professed a need to bring in
more attendees and broaden the con’s appeal.

One of the ways this has been done in the past is to give away free
memberships to the BIS or “Most Promising Novice” winners at regionals. (Has
it been done at Worldcons? I don’t know).

Some CCs have had reduced rates for students, which I think is a good idea.
We’re going to do this at CC25.

But here’s our concept: What about a grant to a particular person who
otherwise could not attend because of economic reasons? This would amount
to not only the price of a membership, but a room — possibly traveling
expenses (gas money, essentially) and maybe something for food. We see
this as a pretty low-cost, philanthropic win-win situation. Unfortunately,
it’s probably too late for us to do, but something maybe the future CC heads
might want to think about.

Obviously, this is all predicated on whether Karen would approve of this.

Here are some questions, with some possible answers, but obviously not the
only ones.

1. How is a worthy recipient determined?
Possibly an application process.

2. Are there any parameters, like age, economic status?.
I’m thinking that the only factor that would probably rule someone
immediately is whether they’d been to a CC before. If someone has an
interest in costuming, no matter what their age, they should be eligible,
otherwise. Economic status is entirely different thing. Not sure how to
handle that. That’s why it may be easier to pick a young person, rather
than someone our own age.

3. Who determines who is worthy?
There would have to be a committee. That committee could either be
appointed by Karen or made up of future committee people.

3. How much money are we actually talking here?
As I thought about this, the cost could be relatively low, depending on the
cooperation of the various concoms. Memberships are essentially “free”.
Frequently, hotels give a certain number of free room nights to the
committee as part of their contract — that might be another cost cut. So
the real cost would be the gas money and any other money for food. Perhaps
a good way to handle this even better would be that the recipient must come
from the region where that year’s CC would be.

And here’s a good reason why: publicity. By promoting the grant at the
local schools, historical recreation groups, SCA events, etc., it would
generate a buzz in those communities. It could also be promoted in various
publications, websites, and so on. Promoting the fact that the grant has a
value somewhere in the three-figure range, this might get some local press
coverage, too.

My guess is that a grant would be made possible by willing concoms with
money left over after all other expenses have been taken care of. We know
that there has been an informal tradition of giving “seed money” to future
concoms – why not set aside a small amount to make this possible? It
wouldn’t be declared as an annual thing, so there’s no pressure on the
committees. If there’s not enough money, a grant would not be announced.

There are some other details about the recipient selection process I have
partially thought out, but I can’t quite get them down in words without
making things overly complicated. Right now, we’d just like to hear what
you folks think.

Bruce

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Byron Connell wrote:

> A review of the procedures used for TAFF and DUFF (the Trans-Atlantic Fan Fund and the Down Under Fan Fund) to bring an SF fan to North America every other year from Europe and Australia, and to send one to each location from North America in the interval, might provide leads on how such grants are made and to whom.

Chaz Boston-Baden ran for TAFF last year, but didn’t win.

TAFF and DUFF are popular-vote contests. They tend to be fanzine-fan
centered.

You have to pay to vote, and the voting fees go to the winner of the
vote to defray their WorldCon expenses.

The winner of TAFF (a European fan when WorldCon isn’t in Europe, a US
fan when WorldCon is in Europe) is required to write a convention report
(a one-shot fanzine is the generally accepted format). They’re also
responsible to promote and administer the next year’s TAFF vote.

So, not necessarily a great model for us.

(Some of us joke about creating MAFF, the Mid-Atlantic Fan Fund in which
we elect a fan to throw out of the plane while over the mid-Atlantic.)

andy

I like the idea. You might check with Darla to find out how Costume College
handles their scholarships. It seems as if it would be a similar thing.

Elaine

Nil significat nisi oscillat!

>
>Nora and I were having another one of our “costume wonk” discussions
>yesterday morning, and we came up with what we thought was a neat idea.
>
>There’s been much discussion on the CC25 list about free memberships, and
>Pierre and I need to hash out where are the best venues for doing so.
>(That’s another discussion for another time.)
>
>What I want to speak to specifically is a subject brought up more than once
>on the D list, among other places, by mostly younger folks. To wit: We’re
>all trying to reach out to the younger set to bring them to our playground,
>but they find it prohibitively expensive to attend, in comparison to the
>relative low cost of an anime con. This is going to continue to be a
>barrier in the future. We, as organizers, have professed a need to bring
>in
>more attendees and broaden the con’s appeal.
>
>One of the ways this has been done in the past is to give away free
>memberships to the BIS or “Most Promising Novice” winners at regionals.
>(Has
>it been done at Worldcons? I don’t know).
>
>Some CCs have had reduced rates for students, which I think is a good idea.
>We’re going to do this at CC25.
>
>But here’s our concept: What about a grant to a particular person who
>otherwise could not attend because of economic reasons? This would amount
>to not only the price of a membership, but a room — possibly traveling
>expenses (gas money, essentially) and maybe something for food. We see
>this as a pretty low-cost, philanthropic win-win situation. Unfortunately,
>it’s probably too late for us to do, but something maybe the future CC
>heads
>might want to think about.
>
>Obviously, this is all predicated on whether Karen would approve of this.
>
>Here are some questions, with some possible answers, but obviously not the
>only ones.
>
>1. How is a worthy recipient determined?
>Possibly an application process.
>
>2. Are there any parameters, like age, economic status?.
>I’m thinking that the only factor that would probably rule someone
>immediately is whether they’d been to a CC before. If someone has an
>interest in costuming, no matter what their age, they should be eligible,
>otherwise. Economic status is entirely different thing. Not sure how to
>handle that. That’s why it may be easier to pick a young person, rather
>than someone our own age.
>
>3. Who determines who is worthy?
>There would have to be a committee. That committee could either be
>appointed by Karen or made up of future committee people.
>
>3. How much money are we actually talking here?
>As I thought about this, the cost could be relatively low, depending on the
>cooperation of the various concoms. Memberships are essentially “free”.
>Frequently, hotels give a certain number of free room nights to the
>committee as part of their contract — that might be another cost cut. So
>the real cost would be the gas money and any other money for food. Perhaps
>a good way to handle this even better would be that the recipient must come
>from the region where that year’s CC would be.
>
>And here’s a good reason why: publicity. By promoting the grant at the
>local schools, historical recreation groups, SCA events, etc., it would
>generate a buzz in those communities. It could also be promoted in various
>publications, websites, and so on. Promoting the fact that the grant has a
>value somewhere in the three-figure range, this might get some local press
>coverage, too.
>
>My guess is that a grant would be made possible by willing concoms with
>money left over after all other expenses have been taken care of. We know
>that there has been an informal tradition of giving “seed money” to future
>concoms – why not set aside a small amount to make this possible? It
>wouldn’t be declared as an annual thing, so there’s no pressure on the
>committees. If there’s not enough money, a grant would not be announced.
>
>There are some other details about the recipient selection process I have
>partially thought out, but I can’t quite get them down in words without
>making things overly complicated. Right now, we’d just like to hear what
>you folks think.
>
>Bruce
>
>
>
>

I wondered about grants, both with CC-23, and CONduit.

For CONduit the policy shifts from year-to-year, chair-to-chair. One aspect that we have is that of “will-work-for-con”. So a few particular departments, and/or the Chair, have the authority (without going through all of the concom) to waive a significant part of membership (I don’t know if they have ever supplied rooms or transport). We do have a somewhat over-stocked con-suite, to help defray cost for some fans.

The CONduit method appears to work if: it’s not abused by departments/chairs, and if nobody complains too much about “unfair” treatment. We do not advertise this accomadation to the general public.

I was concerned about CC-23 for a variety of reasons. I thought it would be nice to have a DUFF-type (Overseas type) sponsorship, but we never mananged to set something up. We wondered about discount rate for local fans that worked the con — fans without a strong costume-fan connection (which we did impliment as some level), but willing to work, and did discount some memberships for that. Without going into details, I did help out a few fans with room-space, such as in noisy buffer space around the consuite — discount rate partially funded out of my pocket, and con comp rooms (by consuite). We had a few panalists that could barely afford to come, but in at least one case was able to ask for help, and I believe did get some.

I think we also had some of the “new award winning fan” type membership awardees attend.

In general, I belived that it was a good idea to help some fans in, but also found it difficult to create a good system.

Perhaps part of pass-along funds (not in any formal way?) be used for sponsoring — since it is “found” money?

Charles Galway
CC-23 Utah, 2005

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Responses below:

—- Original Message —–
From: “Karen Heim” <axejudge@accessus.net>

> OK, so you generate a lot of buzz, and everyone gets excited about going
> – to the next CC, which will be hundreds of miles away. They won’t come
> to ours until the first person (with the “grant”) reports back that it
> was cool.
>
> I’m not saying I don’t like the grant idea, per se; it simply doesn’t
> work well with a floating convention. For a convention that stays put
> in a city from year to year, yeah, it makes a lot of sense.
>
> Karen

This is why it’s best for the grant to be done IN the region where the con
will be.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Charles” <cgalway@xmission.com>

>
> Perhaps part of pass-along funds (not in any formal way?) be used for
> sponsoring — since it is “found” money?
>
> Charles Galway
> CC-23 Utah, 2005
>
That’s what I said – “pass along money” where a tidy profit, after all is
paid for, to be forwarded to that host city.

Bruce

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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>
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On Oct 31, 2005, at 4:19 PM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> —– Original Message —–
> From: “Charles” <cgalway@xmission.com>
>> Perhaps part of pass-along funds (not in any formal way?) be used for
>> sponsoring — since it is “found” money?
>>
> That’s what I said – “pass along money” where a tidy profit, after all
> is
> paid for, to be forwarded to that host city.

Pass-along funds are there for the recipients to use as they see fit.
Sometimes they’re needed more for advance expenses, and having them
tied to funding a grant program would be harmful to the convention.

—
Andy Trembley, Bull-in-Drag
The Bovine Illuminati (It’s the Cows, Inc.)
http://www.bovil.com/
Moo!

That’s a good point — of not tying up pass along funds. In a sense, I think that part of the point is not to actually spend up the pass-along-fund, but to rather use it for early seed money, and then still be able to pass it along, after the con is over.

Charles

—– Original Message —–
From: Andrew T Trembley

Pass-along funds are there for the recipients to use as they see fit.
Sometimes they’re needed more for advance expenses, and having them
tied to funding a grant program would be harmful to the convention.

—
Andy Trembley, Bull-in-Drag
The Bovine Illuminati (It’s the Cows, Inc.)
http://www.bovil.com/
Moo!

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I believe I took this into account when I said:

> My guess is that a grant would be made possible by willing concoms with
> money left over after all other expenses have been taken care of. We know
> that there has been an informal tradition of giving “seed money” to future
> concoms – why not set aside a small amount to make this possible? It
> wouldn’t be declared as an annual thing, so there’s no pressure on the
> committees. If there’s not enough money, a grant would not be announced.

Emphasis on >willing< , and >no pressure ont the committees<

Bruce

—– Original Message —–
From: “Andrew T Trembley” <attrembl@bovil.com>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] A CC25 grant?

>
> On Oct 31, 2005, at 4:19 PM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
>> —– Original Message —–
>> From: “Charles” <cgalway@xmission.com>
>>> Perhaps part of pass-along funds (not in any formal way?) be used for
>>> sponsoring — since it is “found” money?
>>>
>> That’s what I said – “pass along money” where a tidy profit, after all
>> is
>> paid for, to be forwarded to that host city.
>
> Pass-along funds are there for the recipients to use as they see fit.
> Sometimes they’re needed more for advance expenses, and having them
> tied to funding a grant program would be harmful to the convention.
>
> —
> Andy Trembley, Bull-in-Drag
> The Bovine Illuminati (It’s the Cows, Inc.)
> http://www.bovil.com/
> Moo!
>
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>

I think a scholarship/grant is a good idea, provided it can be accomplished
without bankrupting the concom. Therefore, I think it needs to be optional
vs. mandatory, but a nice “extra” if a con can pull it off.

Re funding sources, has anybody considered approaching local sewing or
crafts-related businesses in their community to help “sponsor” a deserving
person to attend the con? Maybe offer ad space in the program book or on
the web site in exchange for $$ to go toward the grant…

–Karen

On Nov 4, 2005, at 12:00 PM, Ricky & Karen Dick wrote:

> I think a scholarship/grant is a good idea, provided it can be
> accomplished
> without bankrupting the concom. Therefore, I think it needs to be
> optional
> vs. mandatory, but a nice “extra” if a con can pull it off.
>
> Re funding sources, has anybody considered approaching local sewing or
> crafts-related businesses in their community to help “sponsor” a
> deserving
> person to attend the con? Maybe offer ad space in the program book or
> on
> the web site in exchange for $$ to go toward the grant…

How is this for a model?

CC24 (just for the sake of picking a number) has passed funds forward
and still has some cash. They, as a last act, use some of the remaining
funds to sponsor someone from their region to CC25 or CC26 (depending
on when their books settle). No obligations for a concom to do this,
but a good way for the con to give back to the local area and to an
upcoming convention.

—
andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen
http://www.bovil.com/
“It’s not pink; it’s peach-colored. Pink is tacky.” –Manfred Pfirsich
Marie Rommel

I’m OK with that.

Other models are possible.

–Karen

At 01:25 PM 11/4/2005 -0800, you wrote:

>On Nov 4, 2005, at 12:00 PM, Ricky & Karen Dick wrote:
>
> > I think a scholarship/grant is a good idea, provided it can be
> > accomplished
> > without bankrupting the concom. Therefore, I think it needs to be
> > optional
> > vs. mandatory, but a nice “extra” if a con can pull it off.
> >
> > Re funding sources, has anybody considered approaching local sewing or
> > crafts-related businesses in their community to help “sponsor” a
> > deserving
> > person to attend the con? Maybe offer ad space in the program book or
> > on
> > the web site in exchange for $$ to go toward the grant…
>
>How is this for a model?
>
>CC24 (just for the sake of picking a number) has passed funds forward
>and still has some cash. They, as a last act, use some of the remaining
>funds to sponsor someone from their region to CC25 or CC26 (depending
>on when their books settle). No obligations for a concom to do this,
>but a good way for the con to give back to the local area and to an
>upcoming convention.
>
>–
>
>andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen
>http://www.bovil.com/
>”It’s not pink; it’s peach-colored. Pink is tacky.” –Manfred Pfirsich
>Marie Rommel
>
>
>
>
>View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Well, the only problem might be whether or not transportation funds are
realistically affordable for the con to do. Otherwise, what are the chances
someone in Des Moines is going to come to CC26, for instance? (Flight
tickets vs. some sort of voucher for gas money to drive ro rent a car)

That’s why I would think it’s better for someone to be sponsored in the area
where that year’s con takes place.

Bruce

—– Original Message —–
From: “Andrew T Trembley” <attrembl@bovil.com>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] A CC25 grant?

>
> How is this for a model?
>
> CC24 (just for the sake of picking a number) has passed funds forward
> and still has some cash. They, as a last act, use some of the remaining
> funds to sponsor someone from their region to CC25 or CC26 (depending
> on when their books settle). No obligations for a concom to do this,
> but a good way for the con to give back to the local area and to an
> upcoming convention.
>
> —
> andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen
> http://www.bovil.com/
> “It’s not pink; it’s peach-colored. Pink is tacky.” –Manfred Pfirsich
> Marie Rommel
>
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Since Karen seems amenable, let’s flesh out the model a little further: Who
decides who gets the grant and how is that determined?

Bruce

Should it be a nomination process (people suggest deserving individuals),
or an application process (individuals apply to be considered for a grant)?

–Karen

At 12:48 PM 11/6/2005 -0600, you wrote:

>Since Karen seems amenable, let’s flesh out the model a little further: Who
>decides who gets the grant and how is that determined?
>
>Bruce
>
>
>
>
>
>View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

I think I like the nomination process slightly better.

Can’t say why…

-b

Ricky & Karen Dick wrote:

> Should it be a nomination process (people suggest deserving individuals),
> or an application process (individuals apply to be considered for a grant)?
>
> –Karen
>
> At 12:48 PM 11/6/2005 -0600, you wrote:
>
>>Since Karen seems amenable, let’s flesh out the model a little further: Who
>>decides who gets the grant and how is that determined?
>>
>>Bruce
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
>>Yahoo! Groups Links
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>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>
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I also favor the nomination process. I just don’t feel comfortable with the
“I am needy, and here’s proof of why I am deserving” part of the application
process.

Just my opinion.

Elaine

Nil significat nisi oscillat!

>I think I like the nomination process slightly better.
>
>Can’t say why…
>
>-b
>
>Ricky & Karen Dick wrote:
> > Should it be a nomination process (people suggest deserving
>individuals),
> > or an application process (individuals apply to be considered for a
>grant)?
> >
> > –Karen
> >
> > At 12:48 PM 11/6/2005 -0600, you wrote:
> >
> >>Since Karen seems amenable, let’s flesh out the model a little further:
>Who
> >>decides who gets the grant and how is that determined?
> >>
> >>Bruce
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> >>Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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>–
>Betsy Delaney
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Anybody else?

We seem to be leaning toward nomination vs. application…is this a true thing?

I’m leaning that direction because in an application process, you get very
talented shy folk who are not willing to blow their own horn, and less
talented but more aggressive folk who will inflate their costuming resume
and their impoverished status if given the opportunity.

If so, who gets to nominate? (The current committee? The committee donating
$$$? A nationwide cross-section of of current and former CC committee
people? A specially assigned scholarship commission? ???)

–Karen

At 08:54 AM 11/7/2005 -0500, you wrote:

>I also favor the nomination process. I just don’t feel comfortable with the
>”I am needy, and here’s proof of why I am deserving” part of the application
>process.
>
>Just my opinion.
>
>Elaine
>
>Nil significat nisi oscillat!
>
>
> >I think I like the nomination process slightly better.
> >
> >Can’t say why…
> >
> >-b
> >
> >Ricky & Karen Dick wrote:
> > > Should it be a nomination process (people suggest deserving
> >individuals),
> > > or an application process (individuals apply to be considered for a
> >grant)?
> > >
> > > –Karen
> > >
> > > At 12:48 PM 11/6/2005 -0600, you wrote:
> > >
> > >>Since Karen seems amenable, let’s flesh out the model a little further:
> >Who
> > >>decides who gets the grant and how is that determined?
> > >>
> > >>Bruce
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> > >>Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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In a message dated 11/7/2005 9:04:39 AM Central Standard Time,
castleb@pulsenet.com writes:

> e seem to be leaning toward nomination vs. application…is this a true
> thing?
>

I also lean towards Nomination.

> I’m leaning that direction because in an application process, you get very
> talented shy folk who are not willing to blow their own horn, and less
> talented but more aggressive folk who will inflate their costuming resume
> and their impoverished status if given the opportunity.
>

Without going into details, or naming names, I know exactly what you are
talking about.

I have encountered some folks in the Reenactor scene that are really good at
making the clothes of their time periods. I have told them about CostumeCon,
and some have heard about it. Some have not. I planned ahead for that
eventuality and have made a little handout with websites for the ICG, CC’s, etc. I have
a feeling that there are some folks I can get to go to a CC that would be
interested.

> If so, who gets to nominate? (The current committee? The committee donating
>
> $$$? A nationwide cross-section of of current and former CC committee
> people? A specially assigned scholarship commission? ???)

I think the nominations should be done by committee for that CC who live in
the area of that CC. It would keep the cost down, and attract more locals who
have never heard of it.

Henry

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I need a good hold-harmless release and model release for a competition
I’m running in January. Anybody willing to provide samples?

andy

In a message dated 12/3/2005 2:21:37 PM Central Standard Time,
attrembl@bovil.com writes:

> I need a good hold-harmless release and model release for a competition
> I’m running in January. Anybody willing to provide samples?

Best I have is CC21’s photo release.
Henry

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

We were just making an observation here: Each section says “contact the
director”, but there are no names? Who are they?

And there’s no stated convention weapons policy. Presumably, you’re
supposed to go to the website. Why?

Bruce

In a message dated 1/1/2006 8:06:06 PM Central Standard Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> And there’s no stated convention weapons policy. Presumably, you’re
> supposed to go to the website. Why?

I’d imagine that a CC’s weapon policy is in the hands of that particular CC.
Henry Osier

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

No, no. Why shoudl I have to go to the website to find it out if that’s
what you’re even supposed to do.

Bruce

—– Original Message —–
From: <osierhenry@cs.com>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] CC24 PR

> In a message dated 1/1/2006 8:06:06 PM Central Standard Time,
> casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:
>> And there’s no stated convention weapons policy. Presumably, you’re
>> supposed to go to the website. Why?
> I’d imagine that a CC’s weapon policy is in the hands of that particular
> CC.
> Henry Osier
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

I haven’t gotten the PR, but I moved, so it’s probably being forwarded.

But, let’s not dwell on why a prior CC may or may not have done something, let’s just learn and improve.

Michael

> ——-Original Message——-
> From: Bruce & Nora Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [runacc] CC24 PR – weapons policy
> Sent: 03 Jan ’06 23:41
>
> No, no. Why shoudl I have to go to the website to find it out if that’s
> what you’re even supposed to do.
>
> Bruce
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: <osierhenry@cs.com>
> To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 2:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [runacc] CC24 PR
>
>
> > In a message dated 1/1/2006 8:06:06 PM Central Standard Time,
> > casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:
> >> And there’s no stated convention weapons policy. Presumably, you’re
> >> supposed to go to the website. Why?
> > I’d imagine that a CC’s weapon policy is in the hands of that particular
> > CC.
> > Henry Osier
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

In a message dated 1/3/2006 5:41:27 PM Central Standard Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> No, no. Why shoudl I have to go to the website to find it out if that’s
> what you’re even supposed to do.

Ah! Gotcha! Now I understand the question.
Henry

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I agree with Bruce.

While every CC sets its own weapons policy based on hotel/local/state rules,
it should be clearly defined and published. It is true that not everyone
uses computers for all of their information. I would expect everything in
the PR to be repeated (and maybe expanded upon) on the web site. However, I
still want my information in hard copy. It’s easier to file, and much
easier to read in the *throne* room.

And for those times when the computers are down……………………..

Elaine

Nil significat nisi oscillat!

>From: “Bruce & Nora Mai” <casamai@sbcglobal.net>
>Reply-To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
>To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [runacc] CC24 PR – weapons policy
>Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 17:41:14 -0600
>
>No, no. Why shoudl I have to go to the website to find it out if that’s
>what you’re even supposed to do.
>
>Bruce
>
>—– Original Message —–
>From: <osierhenry@cs.com>
>To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 2:53 PM
>Subject: Re: [runacc] CC24 PR
>
>
> > In a message dated 1/1/2006 8:06:06 PM Central Standard Time,
> > casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:
> >> And there’s no stated convention weapons policy. Presumably, you’re
> >> supposed to go to the website. Why?
> > I’d imagine that a CC’s weapon policy is in the hands of that particular
> > CC.
> > Henry Osier
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Bruce & Nora Mai” <casamai@s…>
wrote:

>
> We were just making an observation here: Each section

says “contact the

> director”, but there are no names? Who are they?

The decision not to use names for the positions was a practical one.
We’ve had several staff changes so far not to mention email and snail
mail address changes for our staff. This sort of thing does happen
and can even happen at this late date. By using titles for the
contact information and the “whoever”@epicmovies.org as well as the
convention address we can maintain continuity through out all our
publications. This minimizes confusion as well as lost messages.

> And there’s no stated convention weapons policy. Presumably,

you’re

> supposed to go to the website. Why?

This PR contained the rules for the contests as published by the
MDs. The weapons policies mentioned are those of that particular
contest. It was not our intention to publish conference policy at
this time. Each MD has the prerogative with the approval of ConCom
to establish weapons guidelines appropriate to their venue. These
guidelines may be more or less stringent than the conference policy.
We will endeavor to make the conference weapon policy and indeed all
conference policies as close as possible to those of the contests.
However, we also recognize that there can be a different set of
standards for on stage verses wandering the halls.

There’s only so much information we can get out at one time. Space,
time and money dictate much of those choices. We felt it was
important to get out the contest rules at this time. Future
publications will contain further information.

Sallie Abba
Co-Chair CC-24

Sallie,

Thank you.

Elaine

Nil significat nisi oscillat!

>
>The decision not to use names for the positions was a practical one.
>We’ve had several staff changes so far not to mention email and snail
>mail address changes for our staff. This sort of thing does happen
>and can even happen at this late date. By using titles for the
>contact information and the “whoever”@epicmovies.org as well as the
>convention address we can maintain continuity through out all our
>publications. This minimizes confusion as well as lost messages.
>
>>
>This PR contained the rules for the contests as published by the
>MDs. The weapons policies mentioned are those of that particular
>contest. It was not our intention to publish conference policy at
>this time. Each MD has the prerogative with the approval of ConCom
>to establish weapons guidelines appropriate to their venue. These
>guidelines may be more or less stringent than the conference policy.
>We will endeavor to make the conference weapon policy and indeed all
>conference policies as close as possible to those of the contests.
>However, we also recognize that there can be a different set of
>standards for on stage verses wandering the halls.
>
>There’s only so much information we can get out at one time. Space,
>time and money dictate much of those choices. We felt it was
>important to get out the contest rules at this time. Future
>publications will contain further information.
>
>Sallie Abba
>Co-Chair CC-24
>
>
>
>
>

Well said, regarding the publication of rules.

I would like to point out, as archivist, that I do use the PRs to gather
some of my data. Choosing not to include individual names for each
committee position can sometimes pose a problem from the perspective of
history and may make it difficult for con members who want to contact a
committee member to do so, especially if there is no name to go with the
role. If there is a communication problem (which happens sometimes,
especially with email addresses), I could imagine a point where it might
be difficult to pinpoint the problem (technical or personal).

An example (not meant to point fingers): A very long time ago, I was
asked to judge one of the CC historical masquerades by one of the
then-masquerade directors. I had planned to fulfil that role all the way
up to the con itself, only to discover a few months out that the
original director had dropped out of the committee, had not informed the
other director, and that the remaining director had chosen other judges.
I could have competed at the con, and could have made myself available
to assist others, but because I didn’t know about the switch in
directors, I had no way to follow up.

Publishing this information (and then correcting or updating it if
necessary) is generally a good thing, and something you may wish to
consider doing for the next PR. Certainly, with the web site (a flexible
publication) there should be no reason not to include the names of the
committee members along with the roles. A simple “we’re sorry – we had
to change the responsible parties – they are now…” statement is easy
to add to the site, and helps to limit potential confusion.

Just my own personal two cents, adjusted for inflation. Your mileage may
vary…

-Betsy

srabba wrote:

> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Bruce & Nora Mai” <casamai@s…>
> wrote:
>
>>We were just making an observation here: Each section
>
> says “contact the
>
>>director”, but there are no names? Who are they?
>
>
> The decision not to use names for the positions was a practical one.
> We’ve had several staff changes so far not to mention email and snail
> mail address changes for our staff. This sort of thing does happen
> and can even happen at this late date. By using titles for the
> contact information and the “whoever”@epicmovies.org as well as the
> convention address we can maintain continuity through out all our
> publications. This minimizes confusion as well as lost messages.
>
>
>>And there’s no stated convention weapons policy. Presumably,
>
> you’re
>
>>supposed to go to the website. Why?
>
>
> This PR contained the rules for the contests as published by the
> MDs. The weapons policies mentioned are those of that particular
> contest. It was not our intention to publish conference policy at
> this time. Each MD has the prerogative with the approval of ConCom
> to establish weapons guidelines appropriate to their venue. These
> guidelines may be more or less stringent than the conference policy.
> We will endeavor to make the conference weapon policy and indeed all
> conference policies as close as possible to those of the contests.
> However, we also recognize that there can be a different set of
> standards for on stage verses wandering the halls.
>
> There’s only so much information we can get out at one time. Space,
> time and money dictate much of those choices. We felt it was
> important to get out the contest rules at this time. Future
> publications will contain further information.
>
> Sallie Abba
> Co-Chair CC-24
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

—
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Betsy Delaney
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http://www.BarkingMad.org/ * http://www.sickpups.org/
http://www.Costume-Con.org/ * http://www.SchoolWithoutWalls.org/
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—– Original Message —–
From: “srabba” <gsabba@att.net>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Bruce & Nora Mai” <casamai@s…> wrote:
>> We were just making an observation here: Each section says “contact the
>> director”, but there are no names? Who are they?
> The decision not to use names for the positions was a practical one.
> We’ve had several staff changes so far not to mention email and snail
> mail address changes for our staff. This sort of thing does happen
> and can even happen at this late date. By using titles for the
> contact information and the “whoever”@epicmovies.org as well as the
> convention address we can maintain continuity through out all our
> publications. This minimizes confusion as well as lost messages.

More to the point – why weren’t the email addys under each “contact x”
statement rather than all grouped at the back? I know it’s redundant but I
didn’t realize they were even in the PR until I reached the end.

>> And there’s no stated convention weapons policy. Presumably, you’re
>> supposed to go to the website. Why?
> This PR contained the rules for the contests as published by the
> MDs. The weapons policies mentioned are those of that particular
> contest.
Which say (in essence) “see the convention policy” which isn’t in the PR.
That’s what we’re asking about specifically.

Nora

It occured to me that, beyond the flyers, newbies often don’t have a
complete picture of what to expect at a CC. So I wrote up these 3
documents, which I’ve uploaded to the runacc group.
The intentinois to send them with the PR(s) to anyone who identifies
themselves as a “first-timer”.

If anyone has any additions they’d like to suggest, I would welcome them –
especially the “Do’s and Don’ts”

Bruce

Bruce,

Where are the documents? I can only find the costumeconnections site.

Elaine

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>From: “Bruce & Nora Mai” <casamai@sbcglobal.net>
>Reply-To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
>To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [runacc] Educatinal materials
>Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:57:34 -0600
>
>It occured to me that, beyond the flyers, newbies often don’t have a
>complete picture of what to expect at a CC. So I wrote up these 3
>documents, which I’ve uploaded to the runacc group.
>The intentinois to send them with the PR(s) to anyone who identifies
>themselves as a “first-timer”.
>
>If anyone has any additions they’d like to suggest, I would welcome them –
>especially the “Do’s and Don’ts”
>
>Bruce
>
>
>

Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> It occured to me that, beyond the flyers, newbies often don’t have a

complete picture of what to expect at a CC. So I wrote up these 3
documents, which I’ve uploaded to the runacc group.

> The intentinois to send them with the PR(s) to anyone who identifies

themselves as a “first-timer”.

> If anyone has any additions they’d like to suggest, I would welcome them

–

> especially the “Do’s and Don’ts”
>

Here’s the one I did for CC26, it includes a “hotel resume” section too.

http://www.cc26.info/Posters/CC26.Packet.pdf

andy

How come this information isn’t on the actual website? I know you don’t have
concrete information yet but I think even the general dates you mention, etc
would be helpful on the site itself.

Nora

—– Original Message —–
From: “Andrew Trembley” <attrembl@bovil.com>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Educatinal materials

> Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
>> It occured to me that, beyond the flyers, newbies often don’t have a
> complete picture of what to expect at a CC. So I wrote up these 3
> documents, which I’ve uploaded to the runacc group.
>> The intentinois to send them with the PR(s) to anyone who identifies
> themselves as a “first-timer”.
>> If anyone has any additions they’d like to suggest, I would welcome them
> –
>> especially the “Do’s and Don’ts”
>>
>
> Here’s the one I did for CC26, it includes a “hotel resume” section too.
>
> http://www.cc26.info/Posters/CC26.Packet.pdf
>
> andy
>
>
>
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

In a message dated 6/20/2005 3:49:37 PM Central Daylight Time,
dave@techvoice.com writes:

> Third, because of the communications issues,etc.
>
> The same issue came up on Monday. In order to reach the 6PM deadline for
> teardown, several volunteers had to pitch in so she could be packed up
> ready to go.

Now that you mention those, I remember the same things with CC21.
Henry

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Just to clarify on this specific point, if I ever run another CC, I’d love to
have Janet bring the Alteryears truck. Of course, I’d also like to see Ricky &
Karen in the dealers’ room, too.

Henry

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Charles mentioned something that sparked another thought I have about the
Dealers’ Room at a CC. I like to see some of the better known big name dealers,
like Janet/Alteryears or Ricky & Karen/Caslte Blood, but I also like seeing
local unique dealers that have things that people usually do not see at a CC.

The big key, in my opinion, is finding the balance, both dealer-wise and
area-wise. Before CC21, I talked to a Cowboy dealer who said he could bring a
truck slightly bigger than Janet’s. His business has good stuff,
http://www.riverjunction.com/, by the way, but taking up that much space is not good towards
other dealers. I was e-mailing to some people about trying to time a Milwaukee
CC with the big Bead & Button show that happens here,
http://www.beadandbuttonshow.com/, but wisely advised that having a CC at the same time as them might
but a big hurt on the dealers I had at CC.

So, I think that its a careful balance between Fame and Uniqueness and Area
vs. Quantity.

Henry

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>Henry wrote:

“I also like seeing local unique dealers that have things that people
usually do not see at a CC.”

I agree. I think it is important to reach out to local vendors, first, as
you say, as a way of providing a different variety of goods. Another good
reason is as a way of leaving a legacy for having a CC in that area.
Everyone in Utah remembers the Olympics, in part because of the many
business and international contacts made. It would be good for local
businesses to remember how good the CC was. Finally, it serves as a boost
for any existing ICG chapter in the area–cross-promoting each other,
discounts, etc.

The challenge we found here in Ogden was in making the case financially to
the local vendors. Since they would have to keep both a storefront and the
dealer’s room table(s) staffed, it is harder for them than a Janet for
example, whose shop is the table(s) each weekend.

Also, a CC was an entirely unknown quantity to the vendors, having never
been to one nor seen the traffic/value of being at one.

Dave Doering

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

There are some other factors. I did call one local special effects make-up company, and they had been to CONduit, and not really sold anything. Although the market among costumers would have been better, it was still likely to be low — costumers tend to build their own stuff, rather than pay for custom work.

So, since many of the CC-23 attendees were from out-of-area, the sales needed to be at the event, or later mail-orders. The vendors did not expect the CC exposure to generate a lot of later local sales.

Charles

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I do not believe that does not include membership, presently.

Bruce

—– Original Message —–
From: “Ricky & Karen Dick” <castleb@pulsenet.com>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Dealers tables/membership question

> Does your $105 include one membership?
>
> –Karen
>
> At 05:07 PM 6/19/2005 -0500, you wrote:
> >We’re trying to make a decision on how much to charge for dealers table
for
> >CC25. Right now, we’re considering making tables $105 for a table (less
for
> >additional tables) and memberships about $65 for one and additional
> >memberships at a slightly reduced rate.
> >
> >We heard that CC24 has a rather low rate of $50 per table (no membership
> >included). Is this correct?
> >
> >We’d like opinions and stats on what the other committees have
charged/will
> >charge and whether our rates are too high, or about right.
> >
> >Bruce
> >
> >
> >
> >View the Document:
>
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ocedure/runacc/
> >
> >
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—– Original Message —–
From: “David Doering” <dave@techvoice.com>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Dealing with Janet Wilson-Anderson

>
> >Charles wrote about numbers of dealers and such.

>
> We would have liked to have known something of other CC dealers rooms,
> particularly number of dealers compared with attendance. It’s probably
> impossible to find out, but trying to get some feedback from dealers as to
> “was it worth it?” might be key here. Can a 250-person CC support six
> dealers, eight dealers, what? What can a 500-person con do?
>

Had you asked I could probably supplied you with that info. I imagine Betsy
could have too. I think we had around 8 – 10 dealers for our approximate
$220 on-site attendees. From what I heard, most barely covered their costs.
But what was significant, and satisfying, was ttey had such a good time at
CC16 that they didn’t mind too much. I think Kathy Evans’ first CC was ours
and apparently she’s been sold on them ever since.

Bruce

Not impossible to find – just time consuming right now. I have all the
programs from ALL the CCs with the exception (I think) of CC6. I can
reconstruct the dealer statistics by hand, though this should,
eventually, be an automatic process.

Anyone desiring stats like these should *ask me* for them.

Hint.

Betsy

Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> —– Original Message —–
> From: “David Doering” <dave@techvoice.com>
> To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 6:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [runacc] Dealing with Janet Wilson-Anderson
>
>
>
>>>Charles wrote about numbers of dealers and such.
>
>
>>We would have liked to have known something of other CC dealers rooms,
>>particularly number of dealers compared with attendance. It’s probably
>>impossible to find out, but trying to get some feedback from dealers as to
>>”was it worth it?” might be key here. Can a 250-person CC support six
>>dealers, eight dealers, what? What can a 500-person con do?
>>
>
>
>
> Had you asked I could probably supplied you with that info. I imagine Betsy
> could have too. I think we had around 8 – 10 dealers for our approximate
> $220 on-site attendees. From what I heard, most barely covered their costs.
> But what was significant, and satisfying, was ttey had such a good time at
> CC16 that they didn’t mind too much. I think Kathy Evans’ first CC was ours
> and apparently she’s been sold on them ever since.
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

At CC 10, we persuaded a local independent fabric shop/sewing machine
dealer to come in to our dealer’s room. I don’t remember what our table
charge was, but I think they paid $400 or $500 for 4 tables plus a
full-page ad in the program book. It turned out she was pleased – she sold
3 machines, plus other stuff. I think we persuaded her to bring basics
also – scissors, thread, needles, stuff like that – since we didn’t have
stores nearby it would provide a way to get emergency supplies. I realize
that would be unusual most times, but this seemed to work. One of the
machine purchasers was Lisa Ashton, and yes, she had her machine shipped to
her.

We also had Classic Trims, which turned out to be sort-of local
(Minneapolis or Chicago -based, I think) but they have since sold the
company and I’m not sure what happened after that. Of course, we didn’t
know about Calontir Trim at the time……

Sandy

“Those Who Fail To Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly —
Why They Are Simply Doomed.

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C.Y. 4971

Andromeda

Just a FYI, I have been chatting with Janet via e-mails since CC23 about
patterns and stuff. She tells me that she is in the process of hiring some staff
for her business.

Henry

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Is CC24 or CC25 planning to try a video masquerade? We’re planning one.
Henry is our VMD. (No, it’s Enrique who’s a WMD.)

If there’s a Video Masquerade at CC25, I’d like to know when
submissions close so (like folio) we can announce we’re accepting
submissions immediately after 25’s closure.

The freedom and flexibility that video masquerade allows (because, like
the folio, only passing entries are shown) may make this competition
appealing to cosplayers and others who want longer time limits, the
right to speak (on camera, rather than on stage), and fancier
theatrical support.

—
andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
San Jose, CA – ’72 R75/5 ’86 R100 (mine) – ’92 K75sa ’03 R1150R
(Kevin’s)
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At this time, we have no plans for a video masquerade. That doesn’t mean we
couldn’t have them – just no one has expressed any interest.

Bruce

—– Original Message —–
From: “Andrew T Trembley” <attrembl@bovil.com>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 8:46 PM
Subject: [runacc] Video Masquerade?

> Is CC24 or CC25 planning to try a video masquerade? We’re planning one.
> Henry is our VMD. (No, it’s Enrique who’s a WMD.)
>
> If there’s a Video Masquerade at CC25, I’d like to know when
> submissions close so (like folio) we can announce we’re accepting
> submissions immediately after 25’s closure.
>
> The freedom and flexibility that video masquerade allows (because, like
> the folio, only passing entries are shown) may make this competition
> appealing to cosplayers and others who want longer time limits, the
> right to speak (on camera, rather than on stage), and fancier
> theatrical support.
>
> —
> andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
> San Jose, CA – ’72 R75/5 ’86 R100 (mine) – ’92 K75sa ’03 R1150R
> (Kevin’s)
> …remaining .sig trimmed for better message/.sig ratio
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

Hi!!!

Take a little advice from the CC Chair who introduced the contest, and
advertise this AS SOON AS YOU CAN!!!

The more lead time folks have to produce their pieces, the more likely
you are to have more than a few entries.

Don’t wait. Really!

Betsy
(Wearing her CCXV hat for the first time in a LONG time!)

Andrew T Trembley wrote:

> Is CC24 or CC25 planning to try a video masquerade? We’re planning one.
> Henry is our VMD. (No, it’s Enrique who’s a WMD.)
>
> If there’s a Video Masquerade at CC25, I’d like to know when
> submissions close so (like folio) we can announce we’re accepting
> submissions immediately after 25’s closure.
>
> The freedom and flexibility that video masquerade allows (because, like
> the folio, only passing entries are shown) may make this competition
> appealing to cosplayers and others who want longer time limits, the
> right to speak (on camera, rather than on stage), and fancier
> theatrical support.
>

In a message dated 7/8/2005 7:45:46 AM Central Daylight Time,
bdelaney@hawkeswood.com writes:

> …advertise this AS SOON AS YOU CAN!!!

I agree with Betsy, totally! And not because I’m CC26’s VMD! As someone who
used to work in television, I love the concept!

And I intend to have rules that encourage just about anyone to enter,
including staff for CC26! As soon as I flush out an idea I have, I’m going to put
together an example entry.

Henry
who just keeps volunteering for CC’s

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We have ratified bylaws for the Unconventional Foundation. Hurrah!

And the ficititious business name and business license applications are
en route to the appropriate offices. Which means we *might* be able to
start selling supporting memberships in Glasgow.

Kevin

Glad to hear it.

Speaking of paperwork, have the site selection checks from Utah been banked
yet? Just curious.

Tina

—– Original Message —–
From: “Kevin Roche” <kevin@twistedimage.com>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>; <cc26sv-staff@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 9:28 AM
Subject: [runacc] CC26 paperwork update

> We have ratified bylaws for the Unconventional Foundation. Hurrah!
>
> And the ficititious business name and business license applications are
> en route to the appropriate offices. Which means we *might* be able to
> start selling supporting memberships in Glasgow.
>
> Kevin
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

Can the next couple of CCs please let me know ASAP what issues may arise
in fundraising for the Costume-Con Archives. I just received two very
large boxes full of donations from Kelly Turner, which I plan to bring
to at least Des Moines for the purpose of raffling or auctioning or some
other method of disposal to raise funds.

I want to be sure I understand the rules, and I have a fuzzy
recollection of talking with Sally about issues concerning raffles in Iowa.

Please let me know what’s up!

Thanks,

Betsy

No, they have not. Bit of bureaucracy bit me on the bum:
1) have to have the fictitious business name to bank checks made out to CC26
2) had to ratify UCF bylaws to apply for FBN and business license
3) #2 delayed by wedding and Westercon aka life
4) bank now informs me we can’t open the account until 30 days after FBN
and license are issued. (OUCH! what bit me?)

My bank officer is checking to see if she can bend the rules on #4 so I
can make the deposit sooner.
Color me embarassed, but I needed the time to get the wedding and W’Con
out of the way.

Kevin

Tina Connell wrote:

>Glad to hear it.
>
>Speaking of paperwork, have the site selection checks from Utah been banked
>yet? Just curious.
>
>Tina
>
>
>
>

Well “life” (and silly banking regulations) explains it. I did wonder,
since I knew that ours hadn’t been cleared yet. Regarding bending rules,
you might want to ask your bank how many months after the check date they
will honor a check. If for some reason they won’t within the time frame you
are being forced to work with, we will be glad to issue a replacement for
ours.

Tina

—– Original Message —–
From: “Kevin Roche” <kevin@twistedimage.com>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] CC26 paperwork update

> No, they have not. Bit of bureaucracy bit me on the bum:
> 1) have to have the fictitious business name to bank checks made out to
> CC26
> 2) had to ratify UCF bylaws to apply for FBN and business license
> 3) #2 delayed by wedding and Westercon aka life
> 4) bank now informs me we can’t open the account until 30 days after FBN
> and license are issued. (OUCH! what bit me?)
>
> My bank officer is checking to see if she can bend the rules on #4 so I
> can make the deposit sooner.
> Color me embarassed, but I needed the time to get the wedding and W’Con
> out of the way.
>
> Kevin

Andy and I will be hosting a League of Evil Geniuses reception in a
medium-sized function room Friday night at Interaction.

Any seated Costume-Cons or CC bids are certainly welcome to have
promotional material there.

Kevin

Kevin,
When are you leaving for there?
Henry

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we leave the morning of August 1 (a week from Monday)

osierhenry@cs.com wrote:

>Kevin,
> When are you leaving for there?
> Henry
>
>
>

Kevin,
I’ll try hard to get something to you before you go!
Henry

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we’re staying at the Hilton. You can always send it there care of us.
And that frees up weight in our luggage 😉

osierhenry@cs.com wrote:

>Kevin,
> I’ll try hard to get something to you before you go!
> Henry
>
>

In a message dated 7/22/2005 5:29:52 PM Central Daylight Time,
kevin@twistedimage.com writes:

> we’re staying at the Hilton. You can always send it there care of us.
> And that frees up weight in our luggage 😉

Will do that instead! Address is on the worldcon website, yes?
Henry

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*Be sure to mark it to me… guest arriving Aug 2, 2005!

Hilton Glasgow*
1 William Street, City Centre,
Glasgow, Strathclyde,
Scotland, G3 8HT
*Telephone:* +44 (0)141 204 5555
*Fax:* +44 (0)141 204 5004

Kevin

osierhenry@cs.com wrote:

>In a message dated 7/22/2005 5:29:52 PM Central Daylight Time,
>kevin@twistedimage.com writes:
>
>
>>we’re staying at the Hilton. You can always send it there care of us.
>>And that frees up weight in our luggage 😉
>>
>>
>Will do that instead! Address is on the worldcon website, yes?
>Henry
>
>
>
>

You got it, Kevin!
Henry

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We now have our San Jose business license and the ficticious business
name on file!

(complicated by the fact that another non-profit I helped incorporate is
STILL using my home as their address. I haven’t been on that board for a
year and a half. argh. They’ve been informed in no uncertain terms that
that they must file amendments asap, and the City of SJ graciously
allowed us to get the business license in the meantime.)

So, we won’t have the bank account before Interaction, but we are ready
to roll as soon as the CEO and CFO get back from Scotland. And we can
start the non-profit status applications for the IRS and CA Franchise
Tax board. Hurrah!

Kevin
only 3 days until departure!

PS oh, and in return for my organizing the half-time at Interaction,
they gave CC26 a free ad in the slide-show they are running at all the
major venue events. I included a bump for CC24 and CC25 in the ad.
PPS Karen, the service mark statement is in the fine print on that
slide, too (in the correct order this time)

oops. Can you spell “fictitious”. I knew you could. Sentiments still
apply 🙂

Kevin Roche wrote:

>We now have our San Jose business license and the ficticious business
>name on file!
>

You can’t have more than one business at an address in San Jose? That must put a bit of a crimp into office building rental!

See yo in Glasgow,

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: Kevin Roche<mailto:kevin@twistedimage.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com> ; cc26sv-staff@yahoogroups.com<mailto:cc26sv-staff@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 2:05 AM
Subject: [runacc] Wahoo! Legality is a good thing.

We now have our San Jose business license and the ficticious business
name on file!

(complicated by the fact that another non-profit I helped incorporate is
STILL using my home as their address. I haven’t been on that board for a
year and a half. argh. They’ve been informed in no uncertain terms that
that they must file amendments asap, and the City of SJ graciously
allowed us to get the business license in the meantime.)

So, we won’t have the bank account before Interaction, but we are ready
to roll as soon as the CEO and CFO get back from Scotland. And we can
start the non-profit status applications for the IRS and CA Franchise
Tax board. Hurrah!

Kevin
only 3 days until departure!

PS oh, and in return for my organizing the half-time at Interaction,
they gave CC26 a free ad in the slide-show they are running at all the
major venue events. I included a bump for CC24 and CC25 in the ad.
PPS Karen, the service mark statement is in the fine print on that
slide, too (in the correct order this time)

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I believe the difficulty is that this is a *home* address and one is a
501(c)7 and the other is planning to apply for 501(c)3 status?

They did give us the license.

Kevin

Byron Connell wrote:

>You can’t have more than one business at an address in San Jose? That must put a bit of a crimp into office building rental!
>
>See yo in Glasgow,
>
>Byron
>
>
>
>

On Jul 31, 2005, at 6:02 PM, Kevin Roche wrote:

> Byron Connell wrote:
>> You can’t have more than one business at an address in San Jose?
>> That must put a bit of a crimp into office building rental!
> I believe the difficulty is that this is a *home* address and one is a
> 501(c)7 and the other is planning to apply for 501(c)3 status?
>
> They did give us the license.

The address is a key field in their database.

For business space rentals, the physical address usually includes a
“suite number” or other sort of building information that makes the
address unique. They generally expect, if there are multiple names of
businesses operating at the precisely same address that it’s multiple
names for the same business.

They created a “suite number” for me when I registered the license.

—
andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
San Jose, CA – ’72 R75/5 ’86 R100 (mine) – ’92 K75sa ’03 R1150R
(Kevin’s)
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We have a box full of leftover Future Fashio Folios from CC22. What
can we do with them? Are we allowed to give them away? Toss them? Any
thoughts would be welcome. Thanks –

TL

Your con paid for them, so you’re allowed to distribute them (or toss them)
as you will.

–Karen

At 03:42 PM 8/20/2005 +0000, you wrote:

>We have a box full of leftover Future Fashio Folios from CC22. What
>can we do with them? Are we allowed to give them away? Toss them? Any
>thoughts would be welcome. Thanks –
>
>TL
>
>
>
>
>
>View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Quick question:

Under whose budget does any Green Room snacks fall under?

Bruce

Bruce:

You asked: “Under whose budget does any Green Room snacks fall under?”

For CC23, we put Green Room under the Masquerades Budget.

Dave Doering

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On Sep 12, 2005, at 5:55 PM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> Quick question:
>
> Under whose budget does any Green Room snacks fall under?

Depends on how your org chart sorts out.

I believe our plan is to have a “show infrastructure” division that has
stage crew, green room crew, house crew, tech crew and all those common
functions grouped together. Therefore, in our budget, it would be in
the show infrastructure allocation.

—
andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
San Jose, CA – ’72 R75/5 ’86 R100 (mine) – ’92 K75sa ’03 R1150R
(Kevin’s)
“It’s not pink, it’s peach-colored. Pink is tacky.”
–Manfred Pfirsich Marie Rommel

2nd most important safety device on my bike: the one beneath my right
hand
Most important safety device on my bike: the one inside my helmet

At 23, the Green Room food was under each masquerade’s budget. Most of the time, however, green room food is budgeted centrally, I believe. When I’ve run green rooms, I have preferred to negotiate with the concom rather than separately with each MD.

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: Bruce & Nora Mai<mailto:casamai@sbcglobal.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 8:55 PM
Subject: [runacc] Green Room goodies

Quick question:

Under whose budget does any Green Room snacks fall under?

Bruce

View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/<http://www.costume-con.org/procedure/runacc/>

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Hey, folks…

I don’t remember if there are any people on this list who aren’t on
ICG-D or who don’t have access to this information, but I thought it
would be a good idea to forward this information here.

On a personal note, Kelly’s birthday and mine are the same. He was two
years older than I am. Frell.

I will be adjusting Costume-Con.org to list his obituary and Bobby’s
(since I failed to deal with that when I should have), but please note
that we have adjusted the Service Mark statement in the ConStitution and
on the site, effective immediately.

Would those of you who are dealing with CC web sites please make the
appropriate changes at your earliest convenience? If there are any other
changes to make, we’ll let you know.

If you have any questions, please let me know.

Thanks,

Betsy

——– Original Message ——–
Subject: RE: [ICG-D] RIP Kelly Turner 1961-2005
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 13:47:10 -0400
From: Ricky & Karen Dick <castleb@pulsenet.com>
Reply-To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com
To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com

Kelly Turner, November 6, 1961-September 18, 2005

Kelly Turner passed away today after a brief and completely unexpected
illness. He was rushed to Irvine Medical Center on September 5th with an
extremely high temperature, extremely low blood pressure, and possible
organ damage. He remained in Intensive Care for several days while doctors
attempted to stabilize him and figure out what had happened. Despite their
best efforts, including dialysis to take the load off his organs, he fell
into a persistent vegetative state on September 13th, with no brain
activity. He had a Living Will and left explicit instructions that
extraordinary measures should not be taken to preserve his life, so life
support was withdrawn yesterday afternoon, in the presence of his family,
in accordance with his wishes. He passed peacefully in his sleep this
morning in the arms of his life partner.

Kelly is survived by his mother, Rosetta Turner, three older siblings, and
by his life partner, Tom Grossinger.

Cards and flowers may be sent to:

Mrs. Etta Turner
971 Bordon Road #153
San Marcos, CA 92069

Tom Grossinger
320 South 13th Street
San Jose, CA 95112

Plans for a memorial service are forthcoming, and will be announced here
when they are known.

Kelly was an active fan and costumer in the 70’s, 80’s, and early 90’s. He
was part of the crew that built the “V’Ger Flyby” sets for STAR TREK: THE
MOTION PICTURE in 1979. He worked on the committees of Costume-Con 1 and 2,
and chaired Costume-Con 6. He was Masquerade Director for the 1986
Westercon in San Diego. He was the managing editor of the first nine
editions of The Whole Costumer’s Catalogue. He also was the editor of
Costumer’s Quarterly for the ICG for several years. He competed in the
Master division, and his costume credits include THE EGYPTIAN GODS,
PYROGENESIS, TURN OF A FRIENDLY CARD, and NIGHT ON BALD MOUNTAIN. In real
life, Kelly worked in the video game industry. He started as a programmer
at the coin-op division of Atari in 1984 (his games included Super Sprint,
Vindicators, and Tetris). Over the last 20 years, he worked in virtually
every aspect of development and production at such companies as Atari, P.F.
Magic, Virgin Interactive, Rhythm & Hues, The 3DO Company, and Eidos. Most
recently, he was Executive Producer of external development at Eidos, Inc,
and sat on the Board of Governors of the Producer’s Guild of America’s New
Media Council.

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Yahoo! Groups Links

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I know that this idea has been tossed around a bit here and there. and
possibly here, but what is anyone’s thoughts about taking membership payments via
PayPal?

Henry Osier

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Utah did it and I loved it.

I see lots of folks requesting to use paypal for many different
conventions and such.

JohnO

osierhenry@cs.com wrote:

> I know that this idea has been tossed around a bit here and there. and
> possibly here, but what is anyone’s thoughts about taking membership
> payments via
> PayPal?

On Sep 28, 2005, at 5:24 PM, osierhenry@cs.com wrote:

> I know that this idea has been tossed around a bit here and there. and
> possibly here, but what is anyone’s thoughts about taking membership
> payments via
> PayPal?

Set your rates to account for paypal fees, the people who want to will,
the people who don’t use paypal or hate paypal will send checks and you
get a few bucks bonus.

Oh, and have somebody carefully manage the paypal account and pull the
money out on a regular basis so if they decide to screw with you you’re
only out a small amount.

—
andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
San Jose, CA – ’72 R75/5 ’86 R100 (mine) – ’92 K75sa ’03 R1150R
(Kevin’s)
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osierhenry@cs.com wrote:

“…what is anyone’s thoughts about taking membership payments via PayPal?”

John wrote:

“Utah did it and I loved it.”

Speaking from our experience here in Utah then, I would say that it
almost is essential that either you use PayPal or another credit-card
accepting service. We had our first memberships come in on PayPal
within 24 hours of putting the service online. In the end, over 1/3
of our members used PayPal to sign up. (I guess many of us no longer
carry around checkbooks or will send cash in the mail.)

Also, it is dead simple to set up a PayPal account, so it shouldn’t
be a hassle.

Yes, it is true that they take 3% for their fees, but those could be
added in as a “convenience fee” without much objection. For CC23, we
simply included the fee as part of the membership.

Dave Doering
Chair
CC23: Utah

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Andy wrote:

> Oh, and have somebody carefully manage the paypal account

Andy’s right. Unlike regular credit card/merchant accounts, PayPal is its
own unique program. So they can (and have) withdrawn money out of bank
accounts to refund people without consulting with the seller. They don’t
have a voice telephone, so negotiations have to go through their
electronic processes.

To protect our accounts, we created a specific PayPal Money Market account
at the bank to receive/make PayPal payments. We would then transfer funds
out anytime we had over $200.00 in it. Also, we would only put in
additional amounts as needed to make payments.

(For example, we used PayPal to rapidly handle expenses on the Future
Fashion Folio and keep on schedule.)

The other advantage of PayPal I didn’t mention is that there’s little
hassle in qualifying. Merchant accounts can be a problem setting up
locally because we have no track record and are only going to be putting
on the one event. Heavily promoted online credit card services can
sometimes be as bad as PayPal (not sending you the money, for example). At
least you can read about PayPal.

In the end, we never had a problem with PayPal, but it always could have
happened.

Dave Doering

This has been bouncing around some lists lately and has come to my
personal attention regarding my theater photography.

As part of general membership forms and masquerade/fff/event entry
forms, should a general model photo release to the CC be included
and/or rights restriction on other photographers be included?

Model Release to ease future CC promotion and archiving.

Rights Restriction, to keep others from profiting from an event we
provide, unless they share the profits with the CC.

Thoughts?

JohnO

John –
I have had a model release as a part of my masquerade registration forms
since the early 1980’s. I had not really thought of a Rights
Restriction” other than the stipulation/prohibition for the
photographers that forbid using the pictures for “Commercial Purposes”
which does not include the sale of their pictures. I’d be interested to
see what you come up with in the way of language for the rights restriction.

Marty

John O’Halloran wrote:

>This has been bouncing around some lists lately and has come to my
>personal attention regarding my theater photography.
>
>As part of general membership forms and masquerade/fff/event entry
>forms, should a general model photo release to the CC be included
>and/or rights restriction on other photographers be included?
>
>Model Release to ease future CC promotion and archiving.
>
>Rights Restriction, to keep others from profiting from an event we
>provide, unless they share the profits with the CC.
>
>Thoughts?
>
> JohnO
>
>
>
>
>View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

In a message dated 10/1/2005 3:47:53 PM Central Daylight Time,
JohnO@TyeDye.Org writes:

> As part of general membership forms and masquerade/fff/event entry
> forms, should a general model photo release to the CC be included
> and/or rights restriction on other photographers be included?

At CC21, we had folks sign one when they got their membership. We figured
that this would cover people in the hall snapping photos, in case they put them
up on their own website.

Henry Osier
Co-Chair, CC21
who still keeps volunteering to work cons

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It would seem to me that we did some sort of blanket release form for
CCXV, but I could be misremembering.

I’m resurfacing after the close of the play. Got some cleaning up to do
(and a sick kid to deal with this week, in advance of her birthday
party), but I could see if resurrecting the paperwork might be possible
at some point.

Just let me know…

Thanks,

Betsy

osierhenry@cs.com wrote:

> In a message dated 10/1/2005 3:47:53 PM Central Daylight Time,
> JohnO@TyeDye.Org writes:
>
>>As part of general membership forms and masquerade/fff/event entry
>>forms, should a general model photo release to the CC be included
>>and/or rights restriction on other photographers be included?
>
> At CC21, we had folks sign one when they got their membership. We figured
> that this would cover people in the hall snapping photos, in case they put them
> up on their own website.
>
> Henry Osier
> Co-Chair, CC21
> who still keeps volunteering to work cons
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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http://www.hawkeswood.com/ * http://www.OutOftheBlackBox.org/
http://www.BarkingMad.org/ * http://www.sickpups.org/
http://www.Costume-Con.org/ * http://www.SchoolWithoutWalls.org/
*************************************************************************

Just a quick update for folks who’ve been wondering.

Today we surmounted the final paperwork hurdle and successfully opened
the CC26 bank account.

So to the 51 people who sent in voting fees — they are now happily
deposited.

Kevin

In a message dated 5/31/2005 4:44:52 PM Central Daylight Time,
castleb@pulsenet.com writes:

> The MD chose to wait until the celebrity returned and then
> started the masquerade late. I’m not sure that was the proper course of
> action.

I have heard of that sort of thing happening, but have never experienced it.

A few years ago at WindyCon in Chicago, the Fan GoH’s were Masq judges. They
were husband and wife and that made for a major delay in the middle of the
masquerade.

Henry Osier
CostumeCon 28 in Milwaukee in 2010

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This is a hazy memory (meaning I’d have to go and check my records and
my facts), but I am recalling that we budgeted dollars for feeding at
least the Historical judges dinner the day of the masquerade at CCXV. I
don’t think we extended the courtesy to the SF panel, mostly because
they weren’t judging all weekend.

I could be wrong. Your mileage may vary. Et cetera…

-b

>Our worst experiences here in Salt Lake have been three:

>1. The “no-show” GoH, where we quickly substituted a Guild member on the
>panel at show time

2. The GoH who remarked during the event “if I see another d***ed kid in a
Star Wars outfit…” right after the child’s performance. I am not sure if
it was something they had for dinner or just weary of seeing similar costumes.

In the latter case, there wasn’t anything to do but continue the show, then
provide reassurance to the entrant about the outburst.

3. The GoH who just _knew_ how judging should happen and pulled rank on
everyone to make the judging go their way.

All we could do here was to add their name to the informal “Never Ask
Again” List (anyone else out there have such a list? Might be interesting
to share notes.)

Often, the ConCom likes to include the GoH(s) as a way of enhancing
participation in the masquerade. (The thinking is, I believe that they are
the GoH and getting an award from them should mean much more than getting
one just from some local costumers.)

Dave Doering

On May 31, 2005, at 2:55 PM, David Doering wrote:

> All we could do here was to add their name to the informal “Never Ask
> Again” List (anyone else out there have such a list? Might be
> interesting
> to share notes.)

I think this is a quiet and private enough list that we could post
these sorts of comments here without incident.

Artists (since I tend to get ArtGOHs on panels with me)
Theresa Mather: Total joy to judge with
Jael: Total joy to judge with
Frank Wu: Good judge, not sure he was really having fun with it, but
good

Authors:
Karen Anderson: Good judge, but she hates doing it, so don’t ask her.

—
andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen
http://www.bovil.com/
“It’s not pink; it’s peach-colored. Pink is tacky.” –Manfred Pfirsich
Marie Rommel

On May 26, 2005, at 11:46 AM, Bruno wrote:

> I had one of the young anime costumers that came out from CO, write up
> some feedback on her impressions and experiences at CC. The first
> part is directed at other cosplayers, but does provide some insight on
> how this generation thinks and feels about costuming. I’m sure that
> there are some nuggets of wisdom here, which can be used to help
> bridge the gap between the CC and Cosplay generations.

Can someone get back to her that actually, most of us are fans? We’re
just not all anime fans, and those of us who are anime fans aren’t
exclusively anime fans.

Jack Krolak made a comment when we were riding the shuttle back to the
airport, and I think this somewhat supports it. Cosplayers expect to be
mobbed in the halls by adoring fans. They expect to be stopped for
photographs in the halls every 10 feet.

—
andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
San Jose, CA – ’72 R75/5 ’86 R100 (mine) – ’92 K75sa ’03 R1150R
(Kevin’s)
“It’s not pink, it’s peach-colored. Pink is tacky.”
–Manfred Pfirsich Marie Rommel

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