I believe that it is, but it is too late right now for me to discuss my
reasoning. Remind me this weekend.
Marty

Bruno wrote:

>
> This is just a topic for discussion . . .
>
> CC used to follow the WorldCon voting schedule of site selection three
> years in advance. After the 2004 WorldCon, it switched to a two year
> site selection schedule. Is it really necessary to have CC site
> selection three years in advance?
>
> Michael
>
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Bruno wrote:

> This is just a topic for discussion . . .
>
> CC used to follow the WorldCon voting schedule of site selection three
> years in advance. After the 2004 WorldCon, it switched to a two year
> site selection schedule. Is it really necessary to have CC site
> selection three years in advance?
>
> Michael

Yes.

Fashion folio (with a start-date 18 months before the con) puts
different time pressures on CC than Worldcon has.

andy

In a message dated 11/5/2009 10:06:33 PM Central Standard Time,
bruno@soulmasque.com writes:

> Is it really necessary to have CC site
> selection three years in advance?

It does give more time for the CC to get things together. And raise money.
Admittedly, there has not been a competing bid situation for years, but when
it happens again, the lead time will be appreciated.

Henry

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Apropos of some of the discussion on the BOD list:

Should it have been my responsibility, as a judge, to disqualify an entry in
the SF & F if I saw the costume in the halls? Or was it the responsibility
of the MD to disallow them; in which case if they okayed it, then it was
permissible to judge it as part of the competition?

It’s a moot question, but this could become more of a point of contention as
we see more cosplayers coming CC.

Bruce

JMO, but it is the responsibility of the MD. It’s your responsibility to
inform the MD of the situation, but let them rule on it. Judges should be
free from having to make rules decisions like that on top of judging quality
and excellence. There’s also the possibility that the entrant was caught up
in the rehersal quandry: I don’t want my costume to be seen before the
competition, but I really want to practice in it and there’s no place to
change but my hotel room and then wear it down and hope for the best.

~Aurora

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:37 PM, Nora & Bruce Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> Apropos of some of the discussion on the BOD list:
>
> Should it have been my responsibility, as a judge, to disqualify an entry
> in
> the SF & F if I saw the costume in the halls? Or was it the responsibility
> of the MD to disallow them; in which case if they okayed it, then it was
> permissible to judge it as part of the competition?
>
> It’s a moot question, but this could become more of a point of contention
> as
> we see more cosplayers coming CC.
>
> Bruce
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

My understanding is it’s generally discouraged, might be in the
guildelines, but some MD’s allow it. Particularly if the masque is
small.

Michael.

Quoting Nora & Bruce Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>:

> Apropos of some of the discussion on the BOD list:
>
> Should it have been my responsibility, as a judge, to disqualify an entry in
> the SF & F if I saw the costume in the halls? Or was it the responsibility
> of the MD to disallow them; in which case if they okayed it, then it was
> permissible to judge it as part of the competition?
>
> It’s a moot question, but this could become more of a point of contention as
> we see more cosplayers coming CC.
>
> Bruce
>
>

I think it is the MD’s problem

if it comes across the stage, I judge it. I am a judge at that point, not an admin.

that happened to me at Arisia last year, all these little cosplay chickies came up to me to bitch about someone who alledgedly bought her stuff, or some other thing.’

sorry, some one told me to judge it, and I did

I think the same thing for the hall costume thing. heck some east coast cosn are so small these days, we all beg hall costumes to enter.

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________________________________
From: Nora & Bruce Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 11:37:40 PM
Subject: [runacc] Judge’s responsibility

Apropos of some of the discussion on the BOD list:

Should it have been my responsibility, as a judge, to disqualify an entry in
the SF & F if I saw the costume in the halls? Or was it the responsibility
of the MD to disallow them; in which case if they okayed it, then it was
permissible to judge it as part of the competition?

It’s a moot question, but this could become more of a point of contention as
we see more cosplayers coming CC.

Bruce

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Gravely MacCabre wrote:

> that happened to me at Arisia last year, all these little cosplay chickies came up to me to bitch about someone who alledgedly bought her stuff, or some other thing.’

Yeah, those complaints need to be taken to the MD, not the judges. If
it’s a rules violation, it’s the MD’s responsibility.

If there is evidence supporting the claim (and it is a rules violation
and not just something somebody doesn’t like), then the MD decide how to
act on the complaint.

andy

First thing to do is *check the rules*!

Not all conventions bar hall costumes from the masquerade; there is no
mention of doing so in the ICG guidelines.

It became a practice (a “convention” 😉 at Costume-Cons and Worldcons
designed to avoid overwhelming the competition with too many entries.

As many folks have stated, if there is a question of disqualification,
ask the MD.
Disqualification should be the MD’s call (whatever the reason).

Kevin

Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:

>
>
> Apropos of some of the discussion on the BOD list:
>
> Should it have been my responsibility, as a judge, to disqualify an
> entry in
> the SF & F if I saw the costume in the halls? Or was it the responsibility
> of the MD to disallow them; in which case if they okayed it, then it was
> permissible to judge it as part of the competition?
>
> It’s a moot question, but this could become more of a point of
> contention as
> we see more cosplayers coming CC.
>
> Bruce
>
>
>

In a message dated 11/10/2009 10:38:36 PM Central Standard Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> Should it have been my responsibility, as a judge, to disqualify an entry
> in
> the SF &F if I saw the costume in the halls? Or was it the responsibility
> of the MD to disallow them; in which case if they okayed it, then it was
> permissible to judge it as part of the competition?

That is a good question. I think it is the call of the MD, unless they have
a rule that says one way or the other.

Henry

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This turns on whether there is a “no hall costumes” rule for the masquerade. Certainly, if the masquerade does not bar hall costumes, neither a judge nor the MD could act to bar one. The rule was introduced to cut down the number of entries. That no longer seems essential and the Fairness Guidelines do not recommend such a rule. I dropped it from Philcon’s masquerade rules and did not include one at Anticipation

Having said that, at a masquerade I am directing, a judge would not have the authority to disqualify an entry. Only the MD has that power and the judge should bring the concern to the MD for a decision.

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: Nora & Bruce Mai<mailto:casamai@sbcglobal.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:37 PM
Subject: [runacc] Judge’s responsibility

Apropos of some of the discussion on the BOD list:

Should it have been my responsibility, as a judge, to disqualify an entry in
the SF & F if I saw the costume in the halls? Or was it the responsibility
of the MD to disallow them; in which case if they okayed it, then it was
permissible to judge it as part of the competition?

It’s a moot question, but this could become more of a point of contention as
we see more cosplayers coming CC.

Bruce

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

It is never your responsibility to enforce what you believe to be the
rules. It is the Masquerade Director’s responsibility. If you believe
that something is in violation, you can bring it to the MD’s attention
(which is why the MD should be sitting in on the judging) but your job
is to judge costumes, not people.
Marty

Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:

>
> Apropos of some of the discussion on the BOD list:
>
> Should it have been my responsibility, as a judge, to disqualify an
> entry in
> the SF & F if I saw the costume in the halls? Or was it the responsibility
> of the MD to disallow them; in which case if they okayed it, then it was
> permissible to judge it as part of the competition?
>
> It’s a moot question, but this could become more of a point of
> contention as
> we see more cosplayers coming CC.
>
> Bruce
>
>
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>
>
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>
>

With these responses, then the conclusion I have reached is that I should
have mentioned it to the MD and let her decide. Oh well. Noted. Not like
I’ll be judging another East Coast masq any time soon, but good to know
going forward.

Thanks, everyone.

Bruce

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Martin Gear
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:19 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Judge’s responsibility

It is never your responsibility to enforce what you believe to be the
rules. It is the Masquerade Director’s responsibility. If you believe
that something is in violation, you can bring it to the MD’s attention
(which is why the MD should be sitting in on the judging) but your job
is to judge costumes, not people.
Marty

Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:

>
> Apropos of some of the discussion on the BOD list:
>
> Should it have been my responsibility, as a judge, to disqualify an
> entry in
> the SF & F if I saw the costume in the halls? Or was it the responsibility
> of the MD to disallow them; in which case if they okayed it, then it was
> permissible to judge it as part of the competition?
>
> It’s a moot question, but this could become more of a point of
> contention as
> we see more cosplayers coming CC.
>
> Bruce
>
>
> ————————————————————————
>
>
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Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:

> With these responses, then the conclusion I have reached is that I should
> have mentioned it to the MD and let her decide. Oh well. Noted. Not like
> I’ll be judging another East Coast masq any time soon, but good to know
> going forward.

The big question still stands. Did you read and understand the rules?
Only then would you know if it’s even something to approach the MD with…

andy

At 10:37 PM 11/10/2009, you wrote:

>Apropos of some of the discussion on the BOD list:
>
>Should it have been my responsibility, as a judge, to disqualify an entry in
>the SF & F if I saw the costume in the halls? Or was it the responsibility
>of the MD to disallow them; in which case if they okayed it, then it was
>permissible to judge it as part of the competition?
>
>It’s a moot question, but this could become more of a point of contention as
>we see more cosplayers coming CC.
>
>Bruce

I do not believe it is a judge’s responsibility to disqualify an
entrant. That should be solely a MD’s job. However, I think it is
appropriate to notify the MD of any potential problem and let them
make any decisions.

Pierre

“Those Who Fail to Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly –
Why They Are Simply Doomed.”

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C. Y. 4971

Andromeda

holey crap, did we all just mostly agree on something??? I think that was fortold in one of the last Mayan predictions. LOL

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________________________________
From: Nora & Bruce Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 8:38:14 PM
Subject: RE: [runacc] Judge’s responsibility

With these responses, then the conclusion I have reached is that I should
have mentioned it to the MD and let her decide. Oh well. Noted. Not like
I’ll be judging another East Coast masq any time soon, but good to know
going forward.

Thanks, everyone.

Bruce

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups. com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
Martin Gear
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:19 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Judge’s responsibility

It is never your responsibility to enforce what you believe to be the
rules. It is the Masquerade Director’s responsibility. If you believe
that something is in violation, you can bring it to the MD’s attention
(which is why the MD should be sitting in on the judging) but your job
is to judge costumes, not people.
Marty

Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:

>
> Apropos of some of the discussion on the BOD list:
>
> Should it have been my responsibility, as a judge, to disqualify an
> entry in
> the SF & F if I saw the costume in the halls? Or was it the responsibility
> of the MD to disallow them; in which case if they okayed it, then it was
> permissible to judge it as part of the competition?
>
> It’s a moot question, but this could become more of a point of
> contention as
> we see more cosplayers coming CC.
>
> Bruce
>
>
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>
>
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Hey, it’s not the end of the world yet! We still have two years to go!

😎

-b

Gravely MacCabre wrote:

>
>
> holey crap, did we all just mostly agree on something??? I think that
> was fortold in one of the last Mayan predictions. LOL

—
—
Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

In a message dated 11/11/2009 10:29:40 PM Central Standard Time,
costumrs@radiks.net writes:

> I do not believe it is a judge’s responsibility to disqualify an
> entrant. That should be solely a MD’s job. However, I think it is
> appropriate to notify the MD of any potential problem and let them
> make any decisions.

At Archon this year, I, as judge, noted a few masquerade entries that were
on stage that had been in the hallways most of the con. Sheila said that did
not count against them in her book because she wanted to encourage entries.
I am glad she was there and said so.

I also would like to add that I restrained myself from pulling out the
“Well, in my experience judging at a CC…” Which she was glad I did.

Henry

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In a message dated 11/11/2009 11:36:04 PM Central Standard Time,
gravelymac@yahoo.com writes:

> holey crap, did we all just mostly agree on something??? I think that was
> fortold in one of the last Mayan predictions. LOL
>
>
>

See! I said that CC30’s theme should be the Apocalypse!

Henry

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

No, it was Nostradamus!

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: Gravely MacCabre<mailto:gravelymac@yahoo.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Judge’s responsibility

holey crap, did we all just mostly agree on something??? I think that was fortold in one of the last Mayan predictions. LOL

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http://www.midnightmonsterhop.com<http://www.midnightmonsterhop.com/>
http://www.myspace.com/thecastleblood<http://www.myspace.com/thecastleblood>
http://www.myspace.com/midnightmonsterhop<http://www.myspace.com/midnightmonsterhop>
clip samples at
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________________________________
From: Nora & Bruce Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net<mailto:casamai%40sbcglobal.net>>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 8:38:14 PM
Subject: RE: [runacc] Judge’s responsibility

With these responses, then the conclusion I have reached is that I should
have mentioned it to the MD and let her decide. Oh well. Noted. Not like
I’ll be judging another East Coast masq any time soon, but good to know
going forward.

Thanks, everyone.

Bruce

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups. com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
Martin Gear
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:19 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Judge’s responsibility

It is never your responsibility to enforce what you believe to be the
rules. It is the Masquerade Director’s responsibility. If you believe
that something is in violation, you can bring it to the MD’s attention
(which is why the MD should be sitting in on the judging) but your job
is to judge costumes, not people.
Marty

Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:
>
> Apropos of some of the discussion on the BOD list:
>
> Should it have been my responsibility, as a judge, to disqualify an
> entry in
> the SF & F if I saw the costume in the halls? Or was it the responsibility
> of the MD to disallow them; in which case if they okayed it, then it was
> permissible to judge it as part of the competition?
>
> It’s a moot question, but this could become more of a point of
> contention as
> we see more cosplayers coming CC.
>
> Bruce
>
>
> ———— ——— ——— ——— ——— ——— –
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG – www.avg.com
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Dear Folks,
I’m singing in late to this discussion but I think I have a point of
information that you may not yet have considered. Oh wait there is Fearless
Leader but he’s been unable to attend Philcon a few times in recent years. And
technically rob is the MC not the MD. So I’ll proceed anyway.

Philcon has a masquerade but typically low entry numbers, usually 10 or
less.
Sometimes we have encouraged people with really good hall costumes to
actually walk across the stage as part of the masquerade.
Some never thought of entering the masquerade or didn’t recognize we had
one because the anime term is “cosplay”
If they say they didn’t actually make the costume from scratch but
bought various parts to complete the ensemble, they are told they can present
the costume without entering the competition.

Sincerely, Joni Brill Dashoff, Lunatyk Phyrnge aka Del Val.

In a message dated 11/10/2009 11:38:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

Apropos of some of the discussion on the BOD list:

Should it have been my responsibility, as a judge, to disqualify an entry
in
the SF & F if I saw the costume in the halls? Or was it the responsibility
of the MD to disallow them; in which case if they okayed it, then it was
permissible to judge it as part of the competition?

It’s a moot question, but this could become more of a point of contention
as
we see more cosplayers coming CC.

Bruce

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Welcome to 2010!

As a special incentive to come to Costume-Con 28, we are rolling back the
membership rate to $70! But only for a few days! This rate will only be valid
until the end of Monday, January 4th. You can find the form at
http://www.cc28.org/memberships.php. Just write the phrase “This never happened to the
other guy” on the form. You can make payment via PayPal to CC2010Milw@cs.com.
Feel free to forward this to your friends!

Henry W. Osier
Chairman, Costume-Con 28
May 7 to May 10, 2010 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin
www.CC28.org
Look for our fan page on Facebook!
And on Twitter: CostumeCon28
Got questions?
Join the CostumeCon Yahoo group!

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This is now extended to January 15th! Spread the word! Henry Osier

In a message dated 1/1/2010 12:58:16 PM Central Standard Time,
osierhenry@cs.com writes:

> Welcome to 2010!
>
> As a special incentive to come to Costume-Con 28, we are rolling back the
> membership rate to $70! But only for a few days! This rate will only be
> valid until the end of Monday, January 4th. You can find the form at
> http://www.cc28.org/memberships.php. Just write the phrase “This never happened to
> the other guy” on the form. You can make payment via PayPal to
> CC2010Milw@cs.com. Feel free to forward this to your friends!
>
> Henry W. Osier
> Chairman, Costume-Con 28
> May 7 to May 10, 2010 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin
> www.CC28.org
> Look for our fan page on Facebook!
> And on Twitter: CostumeCon28
> Got questions?
> Join the CostumeCon Yahoo group!
>
>
>

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Where: Denver, CO (venue TBD)

Dates: May 17-20, 2013

Committee:
Con Chair: Michael Bruno
Treasurer: Katherine Williams

I’ll try to have this info up on the CC web sites, soon. Feel free to cross-post to other lists.

Site selection will take place at Costume-Con 28. You need to be at least a supporting member of the con to vote. (Henry, if you need anything else for the ballots, let me know.)

–Karen

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Denver bids for CC31

http://www.cc31denver.com

Michael

Cool – and an excuse to visit the Denver Doll Emporium in person!

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: bruno@soulmasque.com
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:34:38 -0800
Subject: [runacc] It’s Official

Denver bids for CC31

http://www.cc31denver.com

Michael

_________________________________________________________________
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I think I’ve heard some of the girls into BJD mention it. I’ll put it
on my list of places of interest.

Michael

Quoting Trudy Leonard <georgialei@hotmail.com>:

>
> Cool – and an excuse to visit the Denver Doll Emporium in person!
>

The CC25 photos are now up on the Costume-Connections site.

http://www.costume-con.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=2938

So go on out & look for yourself!

Nora

Dear Friends and Costume-Con 30 members:

At the time I bid for Costume-Con 30, I made certain assumptions about the
state of my life and my ability to run the convention. Sadly, those
assumptions were not accurate, and over the last 9 months, my life has been
thrown into such disarray that I have no business chairing a convention, let
alone a “milestone year” convention such as Costume-Con 30.

For the good of the convention, and exercising my prerogative as the
Costume-Con Founder and Service Mark Holder, I have made the difficult
decision to hand over the running of Costume-Con 30 to different stewards.
Elaine Mami has agreed to chair the convention, with the backing of the
SouthWest Costumers Guild (SWCG) chapter of the ICG. The venue will move
from Pittburgh, PA to the Phoenix, AZ area. Theming may change, as the new
committee should have free rein to run their convention their way. This is
an experienced and competent committee, and I have no doubt that they will
run an excellent and fun-filled Costume-Con.

If you already have a membership for Costume Con 30, you need do nothing-it
will be honored. If you joined the convention between Costume-Con 27 and
this announcement and would like a refund, it will be cheerily given.

Hopefully, at 2+ years out from the con, disruption will be minimal. Thank
you for your patience during the transition.

–Karen Dick

Costume-Con Founder

Joyce,

Concerning our recent phone call, enclosed is a copy of our resgitration page and associated correspondence.

Our web site, sickpups.org, has been squatted by our webmaster, and we would like to get the domain name back from him. The site was designed by Betsy Delaney, who then moved on and transferred the position to Bill Frankenfield. He handled that site, as well as another, and did the job badly. We tried, without success, to get him to keep the site updated. Ultimately, we found someone else to be our webmaster, and asked him to turn the site over to us. He refused, emptied all of our information, and is using the site – with our name – to promote another organization.

We need your help to regain our site.

Thank you for your efforts,

Elaine Mami

Corresponding Secretary, NJ/NY Costumers’ Guild

A.K.A. The Sick Pups

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Sponsoring Registrar:007 Names, Inc (R8-LROR)
Status:TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:DOT-TDDY9C4K45DA
Registrant Name:Elaine Mami
Registrant Organization:NJ/NY Costumers’ Guild
Registrant Street1:85 W. McClellan Avenue
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Livingston
Registrant State/Province:NJ
Registrant Postal Code:07039-1247
Registrant Country:US
Registrant Phone:+1.3013070222
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:+1.4137517320
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email:raven@ravenefx.com
Admin ID:DOT-795RM82TT73D
Admin Name:Elaine Mami
Admin Organization:NJ/NY Costumers’ Guild
Admin Street1:85 W. McClellan Avenue
Admin Street2:
Admin Street3:
Admin City:Livingston
Admin State/Province:NJ
Admin Postal Code:07039-1247
Admin Country:US
Admin Phone:+1.3013070222
Admin Phone Ext.:
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Admin Email:raven@ravenefx.com
Tech ID:DOT-0C62N3NMS7BH
Tech Name:Elaine Mami
Tech Organization:NJ/NY Costumers’ Guild
Tech Street1:85 W. McClellan Avenue
Tech Street2:
Tech Street3:
Tech City:Livingston
Tech State/Province:NJ
Tech Postal Code:07039-1247
Tech Country:US
Tech Phone:+1.3013070222
Tech Phone Ext.:
Tech FAX:+1.4137517320
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Name Server:NS.DMSCONSULTING.INFO
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Name Server:
Name Server:
Name

Here’s the last message I got from him. I’d print the whole discussion
stream out to be used as evidence when contacting 007Names.

So sorry about this…

Betsy

——– Original Message ——–
Subject: Re: recent events; Pups
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 19:40:59 -0500
From: bill frankenfield <raven@ravenefx.com>
Organization: raven design /Ram fx studios
To: <bdelaney@hawkeswood.com>

thank you so much for your support and advise….

I am pretty much done with the ICG and will make that perfectly clear.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Betsy Delaney” <aramintamd@gmail.com>
To: “bill frankenfield” <raven@ravenefx.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: recent events; Pups

> Bill:
>
> 1. Cybersquatting is *illegal*.
> http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/property00/domain/legislation.html
>
> No matter how wronged you might be, what you are doing by using the
> SickPups’ name for your own organization is WRONG.
>
> 2. When I set up the SouthPaws, it was an offshoot of the Sick Pups and
> was NOT intended as a replacement. The subchapter died because there were
> not enough people interested in seeing it continue. I’ve since moved on to
> the SiliconWeb.
>
> 3. The use of the name ICG without the organization’s sanction is also not
> legal. Considering the nastiness on the ICG-D list and the fact that your
> name has now been publicly linked to the SickPups.org domain means you are
> virtually guaranteed not to receive recognition.
>
> 4. Regardless of any beefs I may have had with Carl or Dora in the past, I
> would never EVER consider any illegal action as justifiable by virtue of
> that relationship.
>
> 5. The SickPupsNOT site to which you refer below contains quite a bit of
> my own code and the original text design at the top of the page. As the
> originating designer, I object to the characterization that the site was
> all your own work. I have retained my original designs in my files and
> will gladly produce them, should that be necessary in a legal action.
>
> I think you should consider quite carefully what you have done and choose
> to register your own separate domain. The Pups can choose to take legal
> action against you. As you can see by the link I provided above, you
> should ask yourself if it’s worth it.
>
> Regards,
>
> Betsy Marks Delaney
>
> bill frankenfield wrote:
>> Betsy I am going to vent, a lot! I trust that you can make a sensible
>> dialogue out of the following. plaes note that NO ONE from the Pups has
>> contacted me about this, nor offered any olive branch and this has been
>> ongoing since at eh very latest Septmeber,l when I spent my entire
>> vacation working on the CC29 site!
>>
>> I will not surrender the domain, the pups abaondoned it. They registered
>> http://sickpupsnot.org and have copied all of my work. for the years that
>> I ran the site I never recieved a bit of data nor assistance.
>>
>> The leadership has gone amuck. there is no hijacking of the site as
>> referances to the pups still exist.
>>
>> As a compromise I will set up a referral page for those who find a need
>> to contact the pups.
>> If the ICG cannot see what is happening here there is nothing that I can
>> do to avoid the reprocussions, the pups are out of hand and have done me
>> great injustice. and harm, mostly from Dora and Carl nI have several
>> emails that are linked to that site and I cannot give them up. I set up
>> CC29.org at their request recieved no data nor information but still I
>> was expected to Put up a website… without working with me, they
>> registered and set up several new domain names
>> They claimed they couldnot get in touch with me, odd how everyone else
>> can and does..nie?
>> listen you have been there, they leadership is all about control and if
>> any group should be coming under fire it should be the Pups, not me.
>>
>> If the ICG will not accept and approve the new “chapter” we can run along
>> fine without them. I have been sabotaged, blasphemed and maligned.
>> I never did anything in opposition to the pups or the ICG and now find
>> myself a villian.
>> basically the pups “blackballed” me without even an attempt to resolve
>> this.
>>
>>
>> some samples of my work can be found at
>> http://Ravendesigngroup.com
>> http://myspace.com/raven_fx
>> —– Original Message —– From: “Betsy Delaney” <aramintamd@gmail.com>
>> To: “bill frankenfield” <raven@ravenefx.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 8:25 AM
>> Subject: Re: recent events; Pups
>>
>>
>>> Hi, Bill:
>>>
>>> It’s come to light on the ICG-D list that the organization below has
>>> hijacked the Sick Pups’ domain.
>>>
>>> May I humbly suggest that you will hurt your organization’s chances of
>>> becoming a separate ICG-recognized organization by the actions discussed
>>> on the list.
>>>
>>> I would strongly suggest setting up your own domain and moving your
>>> website there, and then turning over responsibility for the Sick Pups
>>> site to someone else (after restoring their site).
>>>
>>> Regardless of whatever beef I have had with the Pups (and Carl Mami in
>>> particular) in the past, I would never commit cybersquatting as a means
>>> for revenge or anything else.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Betsy
>>>
>>> bill frankenfield wrote:
>>>> Hello Betsy! well I finally got burned by the pups!
>>>> Same issues as you had, no info and then they make it your propblem
>>>> when nothing getw updated….
>>>> You can’t believe the BS over the CC29 page they went rigfht behind my
>>>> back and made me out the villian. Anyway I am starting a new group
>>>> orientated more towards younger net savy cosplayers, streampunkers and
>>>> anime.
>>>> IWe have decided upon the name Cosplay Con-federates. I would love to
>>>> have you on board.
>>>> I know that this soiunds a lot like the South Paws thing but I really
>>>> feel a seperate group more internet focused and more involved with
>>>> Anime and cosplay in general is needed and although the silicone web is
>>>> viable it is mostley west coasdt oriented, the new group will focus on
>>>> the east coast, with committment from people in the Midwest and south
>>>> Fla already in.
>>>> anyway if you would like to call I could use to talk to someone who
>>>> “has been there”.
>>>> 973 460 2222
>>>> on other fronts how goes things with you?
>>>> thanks bill / Raven
>>>> some samples of my work can be found at
>>>> http://ravenefx.com
>>>> http://myspace.com/raven_fx
>>

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Some of you know how this has been delayed but there’s good news:
The CC28 Future Fashion Folio is done!

That is – the layout is done but it will be a week or more until it is printed & mailed, then you must wait for the postal service to deliver it.

So I have a special offer for all CC28 members who would be happy to have an electronic copy NOW to avoid the wait; I can send you a zip file of the entire Folio.

Please respond to me at “von <underscore> drago <at> yahoo <dot> com”
• include an email at which you can receive a large file
• let me know if you are willing to wait until the convention to pick up your hardcopy or if you need it sent to you after they are printed & ready to be mailed

Thanks!
Nora

Betsy,

Please add a couple of my new concom for CC30.

Frances Burns frances.burns@honeywell.com

Jean Palmer bjeanpalmer@msn.com

Marg Grady marg1066@gmail.com

Thanks so much,

Elaine

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Any opinions on putting Dealers & Exhibits in the same room.

Thanks.

Michael

we did it at cc-5, and it kept a nice constant flow thru there that the dealers liked

Gravely MacCabre
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From: Michael <bruno@soulmasque.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, April 1, 2010 12:22:21 AM
Subject: [runacc] Dealers & Exhibits

Any opinions on putting Dealers & Exhibits in the same room.

Thanks.

Michael

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I don’t think I’ve seen it done at CC. But, it was like that for the
two WorldCons I’ve been to. I may have to deal with some really large
spaces and those are the two biggest spaces next to greenroom and main
events.

Michael

Quoting Gravely MacCabre <gravelymac@yahoo.com>:

> we did it at cc-5, and it kept a nice constant flow thru there that
> the dealers liked
>
> Gravely MacCabre

we did an inner ring/row for the displays, with two rows, back to back
and the dealers around the perimeter, which gave them all wall space that they liked.

Gravely MacCabre
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From: Bruno <bruno@soulmasque.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, April 1, 2010 1:12:54 AM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Dealers & Exhibits

I don’t think I’ve seen it done at CC. But, it was like that for the
two WorldCons I’ve been to. I may have to deal with some really large
spaces and those are the two biggest spaces next to greenroom and main
events.

Michael

Quoting Gravely MacCabre <gravelymac@yahoo. com>:

> we did it at cc-5, and it kept a nice constant flow thru there that
> the dealers liked
>
> Gravely MacCabre

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It seems I saw something like that at Hartford Connecticut (CC-18?). I thought it worked out well enough. I think they had things layed out in a rather informal style, which worked with the pillars they had to work around.

Charles (CC-23 Utah)

—– Original Message —–
From: Michael
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 10:22 PM
Subject: [runacc] Dealers & Exhibits

Any opinions on putting Dealers & Exhibits in the same room.

Thanks.

Michael

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I missed 18.

Michael

Quoting Charles Galway <cgalway@xmission.com>:

>
> It seems I saw something like that at Hartford Connecticut (CC-18?).
> I thought it worked out well enough. I think they had things layed
> out in a rather informal style, which worked with the pillars they
> had to work around.
>
> Charles (CC-23 Utah)

Michael,

We did it at CC-24. The room was large enough to the dealers at one end and the exhibits at the other.

Les Rotjh

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On Mar 31, 2010, at 11:22 PM, Michael wrote:

> Any opinions on putting Dealers & Exhibits in the same room.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Michael
>
>

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CC9 was also done that way.

Since I was running a dealer table at the time and was also Exhibit
coordinator, it was relatively easy to do both jobs. This included a
change-over from Saturday to Sunday. Friday/Saturday was fantasy themed
costumes and Snow Queens through the Ages. Sunday was historical
costumes and a Jenny Ketcham retrospective.

The doll display was also in the room with us, but I didn’t manage that.

Betsy

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http://www.hawkeswood.com/

CC 11 did that. It worked okay.
The only problem is traffice flow, if you’re trying to take pictures it can be an issue.

Nora

— On Wed, 3/31/10, Michael <bruno@soulmasque.com> wrote:

From: Michael <bruno@soulmasque.com>
Subject: [runacc] Dealers & Exhibits
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 11:22 PM

Any opinions on putting Dealers & Exhibits in the same room.

Thanks.

Michael

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If the room is large enough, it could work. I have seen it done. However, unless they are separated somehow, it could get crowded. When folks with cameras back up for a shot and bump into shoppers, traffic jams occur.

Elaine

Chaise, CC30

Any opinions on putting Dealers & Exhibits in the same room.

Thanks.

Michael

Re

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I really want you both to be part of the RunACC list, hosted by Betsy Delaney. There’s lots of good information there, and people with lots of experience to answer most of our questions.

Elaine

Chaise, CC30

> Subject: RE: Wyndham Phoenix/Costume-Con
> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 08:40:00 -0700
> From: frances.burns@honeywell.com
> To: marg1066@gmail.com; ecmami@hotmail.com
>
> Speaking of budget, has Kim gotten back to you? Because it is time to look for a different Treasurer if she hasn’t.
>
> Frances Burns (PI PA&C)
>
> 602-436-0983
>
>
> —–Original Message—–
> From: Marg Grady [mailto:marg1066@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 8:39 PM
> To: Elaine Mami
> Cc: Burns, Frances (PI PA&C)
> Subject: Re: Wyndham Phoenix/Costume-Con
>
> Just so you have it, here’s a copy of my preliminary budget.
> Of course money can be re-allocated as we see fit.
> It is based off of the budget info I received from CC25 (which is, to my knowledge, the only actual budget info I’ve gotten).
>
> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Elaine Mami <ecmami@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > That has a familiar sound to it. I should have joined site selection
> > committees for Lunacon back in the day 🙁
> >
> > Elaine
> >
> >
> >
> >> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:09:30 -0700
> >> Subject: Re: Wyndham Phoenix/Costume-Con
> >> From: marg1066@gmail.com
> >> To: frances.burns@honeywell.com
> >> CC: ecmami@hotmail.com
> >>
> >> Well, my *very preliminary* working budget currently allocates $3000
> >> for all space.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Burns, Frances (PI PA&C)
> >> <frances.burns@honeywell.com> wrote:
> >> > Do you have any idea on what we can spend on function space?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > My very rough guess goes something like this 250x$50=$1250/2 =
> >> > $6250 to $10000 preferably on the lower side
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Frances Burns (PI PA&C)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > 602-436-0983
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > From: Elaine Mami [mailto:ecmami@hotmail.com]
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 9:18 AM
> >> > To: Marg; Burns, Frances (PI PA&C)
> >> > Subject: RE: Wyndham Phoenix/Costume-Con
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Looks like a decent beginning. The whole thing is about
> >> > negotiation. I am rotten at that!
> >> >
> >> > Keep up the effort! Thanks,
> >> >
> >> > Elaine
> >> > who has had way too much matzo already 🙁
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 08:51:43 -0700
> >> >> Subject: Re: FW: Wyndham Phoenix/Costume-Con
> >> >> From: marg1066@gmail.com
> >> >> To: frances.burns@honeywell.com
> >> >> CC: ecmami@hotmail.com
> >> >>
> >> >> It’ll be interesting to see how much the function space comes down
> >> >> with their sliding scale based on room nights… otherwise, ouch!
> >> >> Frances, could you find out what non-overnight parking costs? (I
> >> >> see that overnight is $23/day.)
> >> >>
> >> >> I’ve gone back to TMPalms to say, okay, lower the rates and adjust
> >> >> with charging for function space… we’ll see what she comes back
> >> >> with.
> >> >>
> >> >> As these proposals from the hotels firm up, we’ll need to be
> >> >> adding info to the spreadsheet (Google Doc) so that we have the
> >> >> ability to easily compare.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 7:16 AM, Burns, Frances (PI PA&C)
> >> >> <frances.burns@honeywell.com> wrote:
> >> >> > This is the proposal from the only down town hotel that would
> >> >> > give us one the others either were way out of the room range 190
> >> >> > to 235 or did not think they could fit us in because of the low
> >> >> > number of room nights.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > —–Original Message—–
> >> >> > From: francesb@sedona.net [mailto:francesb@sedona.net]
> >> >> > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 4:12 PM
> >> >> > To: Burns, Frances (PI PA&C)
> >> >> > Subject: FW: Wyndham Phoenix/Costume-Con
> >> >> >
> >> >> > —- Original Message —-
> >> >> > From: thoffman@phxhotel.com
> >> >> > To: Francesb@sedona.net
> >> >> > Subject: Wyndham Phoenix/Costume-Con
> >> >> > Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 13:17:48 -0700
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Hi Frances:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Thank you for the opportunity to bid on your 2012 convention. I
> >> >> > have attached a proposal for your review. As it relates to the
> >> >> > meeting space, it would be really helpful if I could get a day
> >> >> > to day breakdown with times as to which space you will need. I
> >> >> > would like to put together a sliding scale for meeting room
> >> >> > rental based on your guest room pick-up. If you can provide
> >> >> > this I can rework the rental numbers.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The Wyndham would be a great location for your group. We are
> >> >> > conveniently located in downtown Phoenix just 4 miles from the
> >> >> > airport ($10.00 shuttle,
> >> >> > $1.75 lightrail.) We are within walking distance of a variety
> >> >> > of restaurants, theaters, museums, sporting events and evening
> >> >> > entertainment.
> >> >> > If you would like more information on downtown Phoenix please
> >> >> > visit www.downtownphoenix.com <http://www.downtownphoenix.com/> .
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Frances, please let me know what further information you will
> >> >> > need at this time. I look forward to your response. Terri
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Terri Hoffman
> >> >> >
> >> >> > National Sales Manager
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Wyndham Phoenix
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 50 East Adams Street
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Phoenix, Arizona 85004
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Phone: (602) 333-5119
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Fax: (602) 333-5181
> >> >> >
> >> >> > E-mail: Thoffman@phxhotel.com
> >> >> >
> >> >> > www.wyndhamphx.com
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >
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Sorry. Didn’t mean to send that entire thread. I’m still on my first cuppa.

Elaine

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I joined the list a month or two ago, when you first suggested it.
However, there’s only been the one message (yesterday) that I’ve seen
so far.

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:48 AM, Elaine Mami <ecmami@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I really want you both to be part of the RunACC list, hosted by Betsy
> Delaney.  There’s lots of good information there, and people with lots of
> experience to answer most of our questions.
>
> Elaine
> Chaise, CC30
>

Michael –
We did that for both Costume Con 3 and Costume Con 9. If you have
sufficient room and put your dealers around the perimeter and the
exhibits in the center and leave sufficient room for wide aisles, it can
work quite well. You will still probably want to hav a couple of people
inside the exhibit area just to keep an eye on things.

Marty

Michael wrote:

>
> Any opinions on putting Dealers & Exhibits in the same room.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Michael
>
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Thanks for all the input. I was at CC24 and have no recollection of
the dealers room. The areas will be supervised.

Michael

In a message dated 4/1/2010 12:13:51 AM Central Daylight Time,
bruno@soulmasque.com writes:

> I don’t think I’ve seen it done at CC.
>
>
>

They did it at CC24 in Des Moines. Along with Fan Tables.

Henry

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At CC25 we collected a list of attendees who wanted to receive information
on Future CCs which we then passed on to the seated committees at the time
(CC26, CC27 & CC28).
I know I have a copy of it stored on a disk with other CC25 info but what
did those committees do with it?
Have they added any to it? Will it get forwarded to CC29, CC30, etc.?

Nora

I don’t know if they used on passed on that info at all, but I would love to have a copy, which we will definitely pass along.

Elaine

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To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: casamai@sbcglobal.net
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 17:31:25 -0500
Subject: [runacc] Info for future CCs

At CC25 we collected a list of attendees who wanted to receive information
on Future CCs which we then passed on to the seated committees at the time
(CC26, CC27 & CC28).
I know I have a copy of it stored on a disk with other CC25 info but what
did those committees do with it?
Have they added any to it? Will it get forwarded to CC29, CC30, etc.?

Nora

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My idea for the SPC judging was to have an area a bit off the Social Area
for the judging. But that is really up to Karen Heim, who is charge of that
event.

I am logging into Yahoo and am attempting to upload the CC28 Hotel Layouts.

Henry

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In a message dated 5/10/2009 9:36:31 AM Central Daylight Time,
connell-t1@verizon.net writes:

> We’ve attended quite a few Socials over the years, and quite frankly,
> there were several from which we fled within minutes because we were driven
> (forcibly) from the room by overly-amplified “music” (for which, read
> “noise”).
>
>

Tina and all,
Rest assured that at CC28 the music for the social will be at just
the right volume and not dimly lit.
Henry

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You can now make your reservations for CC28!
The phone number is (414) 271-7250.

Henry

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I’ve started releasing it to the SLCG list for review. Might start posting
it by the end of the weekend.

Bruce

(The following is mostly the rough draft I posted to the SLCG list. I fully
expect folks on the inside will have corrections to some of the perceptions
posted here, and I’ll update the document when I edit it down for the D list
and elsewhere.)

Time once again for the (sort of) annual Costume-Con review from your
favorite bunch of knuckleheads (and I don’t mean Klingons), the St. Louis
Ubiquitous Tailoring Society, with input from a few other friends. It
should be noted that this is essentially a “Midwestern” take on things since
that’s where almost all our folks are located. This review does not reflect
any one person’s opinion: rather, it was formed from opinions of over a
dozen people.

First, let’s preface this by saying that some of the problems encountered
last year were corrected. Overall, we had a pretty good time. So what
you’ll be reading is the “Warts and all” version, where we did a lot of
nitpicking. This version is more a report than a critique – quite a bit of
it falls under “Stuff happens”. You can pretty much pick out what seem to
be the chronic problems. Many of them can be avoided in the future, if CC
concoms choose to read this. Really, there are only 3 or so issues that
need to be addressed to make Costume-Con even more enjoyable for new folks
and veterans alike.

Let’s start with stuff before the con even started. Getting updates on the
convention proved frustrating. While the official website rarely had any
updates published until just shortly before the event, news and information
was being spread via several different venues – but the info was never the
same, nor complete, on any particular one. In fact, there appeared to be
more info disseminated on the Cosplay.com forum (in an attempt to bring more
cosplayers in) than the major forum for most CC attendees – the ICG-D list.

There was no PR sent out shortly before the convention with a map for
directions. Rumor has it that some staff believed that “nobody reads that
stuff”. Ummmm – we do! Some say that the directions could be found
online, but that ignored a significant percentage of people who view
computers as a necessary evil and otherwise do not use them. Con attendees
should not be expected to do that work themselves.

We have at least one report of a lack of follow through with mailing address
problems regarding the Future Fashion Folio – we don’t know if this was an
isolated incident or more widespread.

One of our biggest beefs before the con was the “organization” of off-site
tours and Monday programming – or lack thereof. Originally, Staff implied
there would be no Monday programming, and almost all tours would take place
before the convention. When people on the CC27 email list began questioning
these decisions, they were reassured that there would, indeed, be things to
do but that info was only announced shortly before the con.

As it transpired, there was only one or two organized tours on Monday, and
three panels at the con. There were also no general interest (read:
non-costuming) vacation-like activities planned so people could to get out
of the hotel. And while the Con Suite was open Monday, there was no real
“Dead Dog Party”. Some felt this was practically a “bait and switch” to
bump up room nights.

We understand that the staff did not have complete control over some of
this, due to some people not living up to their commitments before the
convention. However, the excuse that “we’re all volunteers here” did not
sit well. This is a “hot button issue” with us. A convention, while run by
volunteers, is a business venture, and therefore, there is still a certain
level of responsibility. Rather than making that excuse, all that needed
to be said was, “we’re sorry for what has happened, and will work to make
sure things work more smoothly in the future”. People will understand that.

Quoting Bruce & Nora Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>:

> (
> One of our biggest beefs before the con was the “organization” of off-site
> tours and Monday programming – or lack thereof. Originally, Staff implied
> there would be no Monday programming, and almost all tours would take place
> before the convention. When people on the CC27 email list began questioning
> these decisions, they were reassured that there would, indeed, be things to
> do but that info was only announced shortly before the con.
>
>

Speaking from my own experience (CC-23, Ogden Utah, 2003) — we did a
fair amount of research for local tours, did some information posting
of things we thought folks could get to on their own. But didn’t feel
there was a lot of interest for other Monday general interest tours.

But what I also recall, was it was one more activity to organize, we
were understaffed, and it was something that seemed secondary to the
the convention proper. (i.e., if something had to be dropped, that
was something that could be dropped).

What I’m trying to convey here, is the sense that we did do a fair
amount of thought and research, but it seemed to be a bit of
logistical challenge to put such tours together, and collecting the
interested parties (and folks might not know if they are interested
until Monday morning).

Just an opinion from here.

Charles Galway
co-chair CC-23

In a message dated 5/9/2009 11:50:20 PM Central Daylight Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> The social for CC22 worked well because the theme incorporated
> a peri-oid band and people mingled just as they would at a speakeasy.

Correction. I believe you are thinking of the jazz band at CC21.

Henry

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As far as a venue for Costume-Con is concerned, the Crowne Plaza was a
pretty good choice. It would have really rocked if there were balconies off
the rooms, or at least allowed for the windows to open. As it was, in our
particular case, our room was on the second floor, close to the front of the
hotel, so we could always see what was going on the floor. Fortunately, the
windows were pretty well insulated so that crowd noise was minimal.
Another thing we really liked was the abundance of big, cushy overstuffed
chairs with nearby tables in the common area, allowing people to hang out,
socialize and watch costumers walk by all weekend in a comfortable
environment. The stage in the atrium area worked pretty well.

Oddly, lower floors may have had “blackout” (opaque) curtains while the
upper floors may not have had them. Other odd things: an over abundance of
pillows on the bed, housekeeping staff not providing enough toilet paper in
a timely fashion, some people reported not getting enough towels and the
lack of towel racks in at least some guest rooms. (On that last bit, the
funny thing was, you were supposed to hang your towel on the rack if you
didn’t want them to be replaced .)

Opinions on the hotel restaurant and bar were all over the map. The most
consistent complaint was about the lack of service. We heard that they had
to fire one of staff, but it doesn’t excuse the fact that there didn’t seem
to be any attempt to bring in extra help to fill in the gap. To the
manager’s credit, he wrote off more than one meal because of this, but still
must take responsibility for no resolution to the problems. Kudos to the
hotel for the concession stand in the coat room. It was welcome, less
expensive alternative to the restaurant, although their hours didn’t always
coincide with the convention.

The second most frequent complaint about the restaurant was the food
quality. Some people said that it was substandard, but others had no
problem. This might have been a factor of repetition – the more times
someone chose to eat in, the more often they apparently encountered problems
with the quality of the meal (and service).

We also got a few complaints about the bar. There were one of two comments
about at least one of the bartenders being a bit surly and that they ran out
of some ingredients for specialty drinks.

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D’oh. I’m always getting my number mixed up.

Bruce

> —–Original Message—–
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> osierhenry@cs.com
> Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 7:35 PM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [runacc] single pattern during the Social
>
> In a message dated 5/9/2009 11:50:20 PM Central Daylight Time,
> casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:
> > The social for CC22 worked well because the theme incorporated
> > a peri-oid band and people mingled just as they would at a speakeasy.
> Correction. I believe you are thinking of the jazz band at CC21.
>
> Henry
>
>
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>
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Registration – usually the first point of contact and first impressions –
gets passing marks. All but one person appeared competent, friendly,
efficient and helpful. They accommodated transfers of membership with no
issue. The default badge identification printed was the first name only?
That made it harder to figure out if you wanted to know who someone was. It
was up to you to either request a change or to write in your last name or
“nickname”/online ID. We thought this would have been taken care of if one
had registered online. Having laptops near Registration for signing up for
the masquerades and other purposes worked well. We were puzzled with the
way the badges, themselves, were attached – the small safety pin inserted
through the clip made it almost impossible to use and difficult to remove.
Those of us with CC25 badge holders just shoved them in the window.

Maybe it’s a sign of the economic times, or maybe it’s just something no one
is giving any thought to, but this was the second year in a row where there
was no “goodie” bag – just the scant program, and pocket program. Is it
that difficult to hit up some fabric stores and other costumer-friendly
businesses for coupons and free swag?

The Dealers Room – We wondered why the two smaller ones were not combined,
because they shared what appeared to be a folding wall. Maybe we’re
wrong, but there seemed to be a perception that there was always more
traffic in the largest room, which would appear to mean the dealers in the
other two rooms did not get as much.

Hospitality – The room was small, but since it was directly off the Atrium,
it worked well. It was always well-stocked with light snacks, although it
would have been nice to have some form of inexpensive protein. We did spot
pizza and pizza rolls one night, but nothing the rest of the weekend. The
Suite had some interesting sponsors . Thank goodness it was open at least
part of the time on Monday night.

Other stuff that bugged various people:

The Dealers Room(s) closed on Sunday night(?).

Exhibits were uninspiring. Any exhibits that appeared later in the weekend
were not noted. Even though the doll contest display was small, it was not
well arranged.

It took a while for any kind of con flyer table to appear. It wasn’t until
“Filthy Pierre” set up his very nice flyer organizers that there was a spot
for these publications, but even then, they were stuck away in a corner of
the main hallway where most of the function space was.

The Photo Op backdrop for taking pictures of hall costumes, wasn’t very
well placed. Traffic was constantly walking directly into their shots.
Why couldn’t this have been set out in the atrium?

The theory is there were one or two parties going on during the weekend –
they were announced on some forums and lists, but we didn’t see any sort of
sign about it at the con on the “Tower of Knowledge” or anywhere else.
Maybe we missed it. In any case, if it was open to everyone, it didn’t end
up that way.

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(This probably should have been with Registration)

Some panels were left off the pocket program schedule. The only way one
might find out about them was to consult the Tower. The reason for this
oversight was supposedly a computer crash, but we heard this had happened
some time before the convention, yet no one made the effort to revise it and
make new copies.

The Program Book was scant and apparently not spell-checked, but it was the
only place to get a full list of the panels missing from the pocket
program.

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From a scheduling standpoint, what panels are in what rooms is somewhat at
the mercy of decisions by others, but we noticed that panel rooms at CC27
were not well utilized at times. Workshops that were only open to, maybe,
a dozen people were held in huge rooms, while very well attended panels
where no workspaces were required were sometimes crammed into small rooms.
Also, the Ridgelys were under-utilized, in our opinion.

Note to future programming and masquerade directors: if you’re going to tape
off an area for masquerade contestants to rehearse their presentations, it
shouldn’t be laid out it in a room that’s constantly used all day for
panels.

While both CC26 & 27 borrowed the concept of the programming kiosk from
CC25, neither executed them very well. The “Tower of Knowledge” amounted to
a three-sided, free-standing pressboard kiosk with magnified Word documents
of the schedules for each day stapled or taped to it. While the schedules
were very legible, the organization left something to be desired. We found
it counter-intuitive to search for a panel by the room, rather than checking
a grid and finding the time it was supposed to take place.

The panels themselves were pretty standard, with exception of the special
workshops. Because of their limited seating nature, it’s hard to gauge
popularity, but most of them were full. On the whole, the panels seemed
to satisfy a majority of people, but more than one person observed that the
titles of some panels were vague and their purposes misconstrued. Given
that one had to consult the “Tower of Knowledge”, some panels were skipped.
A specific example: “Lighting Props and Costumes”. Only after reading the
Program would it be understood that it was a panel on EL wire, not a
stagecraft.

It’s taken for granted that “meetups” are very informal affairs, but there
was hardly any information about the few that managed to come off. The
website had very little detail – presumably, people were expected to post a
sign on the Tower.

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The offsite High Tea activity was apparently popular and well attended
because it appealed to certain historical costumers (and the meetup
organizer), who were frequently seen in groups over the weekend . This
appeared to be the only meetup that got any organizational attention –
there didn’t appear to be any effort on the part of the person in charge of
meetups to help other people connect with each other..

The Single Pattern Contest/Show had a very strong showing, with as many as
30 contestants. The McCall’s “Misses Renaissance Dress” pattern entries
outnumbered the Drovers Coats by a factor of 2 – 1. Separating the show
from the Future Fashion Show was a very good idea, but we think it should be
incorporated into the Friday Night Social in way. The “Green Room” was
entirely too small, many people wound up standing in the hall. The
informal nature of the show worked well, but the room for it was a little
too small. Having contestants show up 2 hours in advance of the show was
completely unnecessary. Since there was no rehearsal, 1 hour would have
been plenty.

Most of the glaring errors with the show organization concerned
communication and the appearance of being less important than the other
shows. Rather than being the only event of the evening, followed by the
Friday Night Social, they were held concurrently. As near as we can tell,
no formal announcement was made during the Social that the SP was about to
start, word that the judges had finished deliberating was carried to
audience and contestants by word of mouth, and no formal acknowledgement was
made of the winners afterwards.

Word is that there was a technical problem that did not allow video to be
shot of this event. Unfortunately, there was no official photography of the
event, which gave the appearance to some that the show was of lesser
importance. Fortunately, Eric Cannon shot footage, and there are fans,
including a SLUT or two, who did shoot some stills.

The “Vamps, Villains, and Vixens” theme didn’t appear to have much appeal,
if you go by what people wore to the Social. The Social itself wasn’t
outstanding, but it wasn’t awful, either. There was someone with a
microphone over on one side of the atrium making up games and handing out
silly awards to participate in, but the majority of people were more
interested in talking to fellow costumers.

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I have to break ranks with my fellow SLUTs’ statement that “we think it should be incorporated in the Friday Night Social.” In my opinion, scheduling the Single Pattern Contest on Friday was a good idea, and I would encourage other concoms to consider doing so, However, in my opinion the contest must be separated from the Friday Night Social if it is to be a success. In fact, the problem at CC 27 is that the contest was not separated sufficiently from the Social. The Friday Night Social is an opportunity for costumers to schmooze; attempts to interrupt it with a stage event will prove unsuccessful. In keeping the Single Pattern Contest on Friday, if a concom wants the Contest to be well attended, it should make it clear that the Social begins after the contest, NOT against it.

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: Bruce & Nora Mai<mailto:casamai@sbcglobal.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 3:23 PM
Subject: [runacc] CC27 Review – Friday

The offsite High Tea activity was apparently popular and well attended
because it appealed to certain historical costumers (and the meetup
organizer), who were frequently seen in groups over the weekend . This
appeared to be the only meetup that got any organizational attention –
there didn’t appear to be any effort on the part of the person in charge of
meetups to help other people connect with each other..

The Single Pattern Contest/Show had a very strong showing, with as many as
30 contestants. The McCall’s “Misses Renaissance Dress” pattern entries
outnumbered the Drovers Coats by a factor of 2 – 1. Separating the show
from the Future Fashion Show was a very good idea, but we think it should be
incorporated into the Friday Night Social in way. The “Green Room” was
entirely too small, many people wound up standing in the hall. The
informal nature of the show worked well, but the room for it was a little
too small. Having contestants show up 2 hours in advance of the show was
completely unnecessary. Since there was no rehearsal, 1 hour would have
been plenty.

Most of the glaring errors with the show organization concerned
communication and the appearance of being less important than the other
shows. Rather than being the only event of the evening, followed by the
Friday Night Social, they were held concurrently. As near as we can tell,
no formal announcement was made during the Social that the SP was about to
start, word that the judges had finished deliberating was carried to
audience and contestants by word of mouth, and no formal acknowledgement was
made of the winners afterwards.

Word is that there was a technical problem that did not allow video to be
shot of this event. Unfortunately, there was no official photography of the
event, which gave the appearance to some that the show was of lesser
importance. Fortunately, Eric Cannon shot footage, and there are fans,
including a SLUT or two, who did shoot some stills.

The “Vamps, Villains, and Vixens” theme didn’t appear to have much appeal,
if you go by what people wore to the Social. The Social itself wasn’t
outstanding, but it wasn’t awful, either. There was someone with a
microphone over on one side of the atrium making up games and handing out
silly awards to participate in, but the majority of people were more
interested in talking to fellow costumers.

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At 09:07 PM 5/24/2009, you wrote:

>I have to break ranks with my fellow SLUTs’ statement that “we think
>it should be incorporated in the Friday Night Social.” In my
>opinion, scheduling the Single Pattern Contest on Friday was a good
>idea, and I would encourage other concoms to consider doing so,
>However, in my opinion the contest must be separated from the Friday
>Night Social if it is to be a success. In fact, the problem at CC 27
>is that the contest was not separated sufficiently from the Social.
>The Friday Night Social is an opportunity for costumers to schmooze;
>attempts to interrupt it with a stage event will prove unsuccessful.
>In keeping the Single Pattern Contest on Friday, if a concom wants
>the Contest to be well attended, it should make it clear that the
>Social begins after the contest, NOT against it.
>
>Byron

We agree with Byron. We loved moving the Single Pattern to Friday
evening, but the Social should have officially begun after the SP concluded.

Pierre and Sandy

>—– Original Message —–
>From: Bruce & Nora Mai<mailto:casamai@sbcglobal.net>
>To:
><mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
>
>Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 3:23 PM
>Subject: [runacc] CC27 Review – Friday
>
>The offsite High Tea activity was apparently popular and well attended
>because it appealed to certain historical costumers (and the meetup
>organizer), who were frequently seen in groups over the weekend . This
>appeared to be the only meetup that got any organizational attention –
>there didn’t appear to be any effort on the part of the person in charge of
>meetups to help other people connect with each other..
>
>The Single Pattern Contest/Show had a very strong showing, with as many as
>30 contestants. The McCall’s “Misses Renaissance Dress” pattern entries
>outnumbered the Drovers Coats by a factor of 2 – 1. Separating the show
>from the Future Fashion Show was a very good idea, but we think it should be
>incorporated into the Friday Night Social in way. The “Green Room” was
>entirely too small, many people wound up standing in the hall. The
>informal nature of the show worked well, but the room for it was a little
>too small. Having contestants show up 2 hours in advance of the show was
>completely unnecessary. Since there was no rehearsal, 1 hour would have
>been plenty.
>
>Most of the glaring errors with the show organization concerned
>communication and the appearance of being less important than the other
>shows. Rather than being the only event of the evening, followed by the
>Friday Night Social, they were held concurrently. As near as we can tell,
>no formal announcement was made during the Social that the SP was about to
>start, word that the judges had finished deliberating was carried to
>audience and contestants by word of mouth, and no formal acknowledgement was
>made of the winners afterwards.
>
>Word is that there was a technical problem that did not allow video to be
>shot of this event. Unfortunately, there was no official photography of the
>event, which gave the appearance to some that the show was of lesser
>importance. Fortunately, Eric Cannon shot footage, and there are fans,
>including a SLUT or two, who did shoot some stills.
>
>The “Vamps, Villains, and Vixens” theme didn’t appear to have much appeal,
>if you go by what people wore to the Social. The Social itself wasn’t
>outstanding, but it wasn’t awful, either. There was someone with a
>microphone over on one side of the atrium making up games and handing out
>silly awards to participate in, but the majority of people were more
>interested in talking to fellow costumers.

“Those Who Fail to Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly –
Why They Are Simply Doomed.”

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C. Y. 4971

Andromeda

I should have revised that, after Byron first mentioned it, and forgot – I
didn’t mean to imply they should be concurrent – more that they should have
been in the same room, with the Social to follow the SP show.

Bruce

> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Pierre & Sandy Pettinger
> Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 8:38 AM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [runacc] CC27 Review – Friday
>
> At 09:07 PM 5/24/2009, you wrote:
>
> >I have to break ranks with my fellow SLUTs’ statement that “we think
> >it should be incorporated in the Friday Night Social.” In my
> >opinion, scheduling the Single Pattern Contest on Friday was a good
> >idea, and I would encourage other concoms to consider doing so,
> >However, in my opinion the contest must be separated from the Friday
> >Night Social if it is to be a success. In fact, the problem at CC 27
> >is that the contest was not separated sufficiently from the Social.
> >The Friday Night Social is an opportunity for costumers to schmooze;
> >attempts to interrupt it with a stage event will prove unsuccessful.
> >In keeping the Single Pattern Contest on Friday, if a concom wants
> >the Contest to be well attended, it should make it clear that the
> >Social begins after the contest, NOT against it.
> >
> >Byron
>
> We agree with Byron. We loved moving the Single Pattern to Friday
> evening, but the Social should have officially begun after the SP

concluded.

>
> Pierre and Sandy
>
> >—– Original Message —–
> >From: Bruce & Nora Mai<mailto:casamai@sbcglobal.net>
> >To:
> ><mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@
> yahoogroups.com>
> >
> >Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 3:23 PM
> >Subject: [runacc] CC27 Review – Friday
> >
> >The offsite High Tea activity was apparently popular and well attended
> >because it appealed to certain historical costumers (and the meetup
> >organizer), who were frequently seen in groups over the weekend . This
> >appeared to be the only meetup that got any organizational attention –
> >there didn’t appear to be any effort on the part of the person in charge

of

> >meetups to help other people connect with each other..
> >
> >The Single Pattern Contest/Show had a very strong showing, with as many

as

> >30 contestants. The McCall’s “Misses Renaissance Dress” pattern entries
> >outnumbered the Drovers Coats by a factor of 2 – 1. Separating the show
> >from the Future Fashion Show was a very good idea, but we think it should

be

> >incorporated into the Friday Night Social in way. The “Green Room” was
> >entirely too small, many people wound up standing in the hall. The
> >informal nature of the show worked well, but the room for it was a little
> >too small. Having contestants show up 2 hours in advance of the show was
> >completely unnecessary. Since there was no rehearsal, 1 hour would have
> >been plenty.
> >
> >Most of the glaring errors with the show organization concerned
> >communication and the appearance of being less important than the other
> >shows. Rather than being the only event of the evening, followed by the
> >Friday Night Social, they were held concurrently. As near as we can tell,
> >no formal announcement was made during the Social that the SP was about

to

> >start, word that the judges had finished deliberating was carried to
> >audience and contestants by word of mouth, and no formal acknowledgement

was

> >made of the winners afterwards.
> >
> >Word is that there was a technical problem that did not allow video to be
> >shot of this event. Unfortunately, there was no official photography of

the

> >event, which gave the appearance to some that the show was of lesser
> >importance. Fortunately, Eric Cannon shot footage, and there are fans,
> >including a SLUT or two, who did shoot some stills.
> >
> >The “Vamps, Villains, and Vixens” theme didn’t appear to have much

appeal,

> >if you go by what people wore to the Social. The Social itself wasn’t
> >outstanding, but it wasn’t awful, either. There was someone with a
> >microphone over on one side of the atrium making up games and handing out
> >silly awards to participate in, but the majority of people were more
> >interested in talking to fellow costumers.
>
> “Those Who Fail to Learn History
> Are Doomed to Repeat It;
> Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly –
> Why They Are Simply Doomed.”
>
> Achemdro’hm
> “The Illusion of Historical Fact”
> — C. Y. 4971
>
> Andromeda
>
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo!

Groups

> Links
>
>
>

One of the major beefs by many costumers was the original plan to have both
SF & F and Historical masq tech rehearsals on Saturday. People were
relieved when that went by the wayside when the SF & F rehearsals began
running late. It’s just as well, since pre-judging for the Historical was
also taking place on Saturday.
While the SF & F masquerade ran smoothly, there were a number of backstage
logistics glitches that could have been handled better. The SF & F MD came
in for criticism for giving leeway to people who showed up late for their
tech rehearsals. Those people should have been put at the back of the line
– it’s rude and inconsiderate to push fellow contestants back who arrive3d
at their appointed times.

Many of these problems could have been avoided by a mandatory meeting of the
contestants to lay out their responsibilities, but historically, CC hasn’t
had them very often – possibly for time reasons. (It still doesn’t mean
they’re not a good idea, especially when the masquerade was as large as it
was). A quick tour of the backstage area would have been a good idea to get
the entrants familiar with how they were to enter the stage (which was a bit
odd).

Other behind the scenes problems: The MD looked like a deer in the
headlights when asked about contestant “Polaroids” – it hadn’t even occurred
to them. Also, there was at least one instance that reference documentation
never got to the judges. The one item that did make it to the judges had
been hand-delivered by a den mom. For the presentation judges’ part (my
being one of them), we believed we made our deliberations relatively
quickly, given the number of contestants. Having the representative from
Simplicity Patterns participate as a judge was a good choice for adding a
different perspective than the usual.

There was a laundry list of complaints resulting from a lack of organization
in the Green Room:

The staff wasn’t prepared to check people in when it was supposed to open.

It was too small to accommodate all the entries – one group had to be put in
another room by themselves.

There were barely any tables to put props and costume pieces on, and seating
was theatre-style, which doesn’t work.

Children were running around unsupervised, forcing adults to watch out for
them.

>>” It also would have been nice if there was a separate children’s green

room. The three little girls ran rampant and it’s a miracle they didn’t
careen into someone’s prop/costume and ruin it. I had to stop short a
couple times when getting water so they didn’t cause me to spill it.”

These were relatively minor, compared to problems with the Workmanship
judges. The complaints ranged from lack of thoroughness, to rushing
entrants through, to outright rudeness and – at one point – not showing up
on time (or leaving early.)

>>”I know the Canadians were utterly devastated with the workmanship

judging, and convinced they wouldn’t get a thing because of how the
workmanship judges treated them. They said the judges were brusque and
described ‘rude’ without ever saying it. I was sad for them, and a little
upset they would think that this was how it was supposed to be. Thankfully
they were much happier with the Historical Workmanship.”<<

>> I hate to say it, but I’m really starting to get annoyed at only being

judged by 1/2 the workmanship judging team.”

>>” We only got looked at by one of the workmanship judges, but we were

first in line, so maybe got more time than some”.

One costumer had tried to talk about her corset, and began referencing her
documentation (which they didn’t look at), and was told, “We aren’t here to
judge your whole costume – just tell us what piece you want us to see.
Hurry up”. Excuse me?

Some of this is obviously a matter of perception – entrants sometimes spend
too long with the judges. This is where a good Judges Clerk could help
manage time better. Not all the costumers had problems, but there was a
notable percentage who spoke up about the time factor. If there was a
Workmanship Judge’s Clerk, then someone wasn’t doing their job. If there
wasn’t one, then it illustrated a necessity for one.

The masquerade show:

Thumbs down for:
No preparation to accommodate the disabled in the seating area.
Guild awards after the masq awards – they really should be announced no
later than when the judges return. Presenting them after all the major
awards is anti-climactic and the audience wants to leave.
The stage photo run – completely disorganized. Someone, like the stage
manager, or even a ninja, should have been in charge of calling contestants
on stage and directing them where to stand.

Thumbs up for:
The projection screen to the side of the stage so that people could see
costumes on stage more easily
Video feed to the Green Room
The tech crew

A special thanks goes out from the ICG Archive Team to the concom and crew
granting a request to run the video tribute.

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Future Fashion Folio

Once again, entries were supposed to show up 2 hours prior to the show,
which, given there were only 15 entries, was probably excessive, even with a
quick walk-through on stage. For some reason, the judges were not ready
to go when the Green Room opened. Other than that, the show went smoothly
and was over about a 30 minutes.

The Historical Masquerade:

Problems with this show began on Saturday, when the pre-judging did not
allot enough time for each costumer to present their creations, especially
for groups.

More than one person reported inappropriate behavior by at least 2 judges
both at pre-judging and after the show. They were easily overheard making
statements, within earshot of both contestants and non-contestants alike,
indicating they had a bias toward historic dress vs. interpretation. One
judge was even overheard making a comment that implied that they were biased
against a particular group of costumers. One of the others made an aside
that a contestant’s costume piece was “not period” and “shouldn’t have been
competed anyway” was unknowingly made to someone who turned out to be that
contestant’s friend. The same judge, more than once, took the occasion to
tell the entrants to talk about their own accomplishments, taking up time
that should have been spent on asking questions. The judges came across as
overly judgmental and dismissive, often barely touching garments.

To sum up: this is the second year in a row where there were problems with
judge conduct. Future MDs need to do a better job of screening their
candidates, especially in the Historical masquerade.

Thumbs down:
MD didn’t push at least one costumer from “Historic Interpretation” into
“Historic Dress”.
No video playback in the Green Room
Confusion over the Simplicity Challenge judging
Another chaotic stage photo run. Needs to be wrangled by someone.

Thumbs up:
Breaking awards into Best Documentation, Workmanship & Presentation
Announcing those awards by division

The “after party” in the atrium was unusually low-key. There was also the
impression that some private party, somewhere, was bleeding off the “Big
Name Costumers”, because some of them seemed to disappear shortly after the
show was over.

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It was understandable that the hotel had another function to set up for
immediately that morning, but it was disappointing to see the atrium floor
cleared out – “So long” cushy chairs and table where you could at least hang
out and say goodbye to people leaving that day. The “Masquerade of
Champions” panel was entertaining to those who had yet to see it (no word on
the other panels). It was well attended, which means Monday is a good time
to schedule Archive presentations. People want to prolong that good feeling
as the con winds down, and watching masq videos fits the bill.

Once the few panels were over, and since the dealers rooms were already
closed, there was little to do until the evening. A few of us got together
and drove down to a shopping district and had a nice lunch. It was too bad
that at least half of the stores there were closed on Monday.

We were glad to see the con Suite was still open, so people could bring
snacks in to the Ridgely room. There wasn’t the usual “after convention”
buzz we have been a part of at previous CCs – thank goodness Andy Trembley
had photos of people’s costumes from the weekend that could be projected
onto a screen.

In closing, let me restate: most of the criticisms in the review are
nitpicks – overall, the convention was enjoyable. Did it live up to the
promises to fix things that went wrong at CC26? Not entirely, but the only
major thing was the Historical judges experiences that made things notably
unpleasant for some people. On the whole, we had a pretty good time.

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Hello!

Has any prior CC had people who just wanted to see either Masquerade? If so, how was it handled?

Henry

I think we were prepared to sell event tickets to the Masquerades (our
main stage ballroom was large enough) but I don’t know if we actually
sold any.

Kevin

H W Osier wrote:

>
>
> Hello!
>
> Has any prior CC had people who just wanted to see either Masquerade?
> If so, how was it handled?
>
> Henry
>

CC-27
A $10.00 donation (if they asked). In one case the parents of 2 of the
entries, in another, some hotel guests. We did the same for CC-9 and I
believe for CC-15.

Marty

H W Osier wrote:

>
>
> Hello!
>
> Has any prior CC had people who just wanted to see either Masquerade?
> If so, how was it handled?
>
> Henry
>
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You have to be careful about how you’re selling those spaces. In
Maryland, event tickets incur a tax and are taxable income. If you offer
a “suggested donation” request, it should cover. We didn’t budget on
this for CCXV, but we wound up getting something like $25 or so per
night for folks who just wanted in to see one of the shows. We used
stickers to indicate those who had paid, in lieu of badges.

I recall we asked for $5 per person.

We also offered a discounted membership to individuals who were
attending a competing SF con the same weekend as ours, so that they
could attend both without breaking the bank.

Since there are no publications involved, and the food impact at the
consuite was pretty much covered by this fee, we figured it was found
money and enough to justify.

Most of the time, you’re getting local family or friends who don’t have
an interest in the competitions otherwise. I also recall that these
“tickets” weren’t available until an hour before the event, so folks
couldn’t use them to do other stuff.

That’s what I recall…

-b

Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair wrote:

>
>
>
> I think we were prepared to sell event tickets to the Masquerades (our
> main stage ballroom was large enough) but I don’t know if we actually
> sold any.
>
> Kevin
>
> H W Osier wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hello!
> >
> > Has any prior CC had people who just wanted to see either Masquerade?
> > If so, how was it handled?
> >
> > Henry

—
—
Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

Henry,

That’s a common thing. Usually we have sold “Event Only” tickets, priced so we can encourage other hotel guests to come and see. Or for visiting locals.

Elaine

Nil significat nisi oscillat!

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: osierhenry@cs.com
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:02:00 +0000
Subject: [runacc] Masquerade Only Viewers

Hello!

Has any prior CC had people who just wanted to see either Masquerade? If so, how was it handled?

Henry

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I don’t know about CCs. However, Philcon has a nominal Saturday evening fee that lets people attend the masquerade and any post-masquerade events. Last year, at least one entrant got tickets for relatives. At my suggestion, Anticipation is contemplating a similar policy.

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: H W Osier<mailto:osierhenry@cs.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 4:02 PM
Subject: [runacc] Masquerade Only Viewers

Hello!

Has any prior CC had people who just wanted to see either Masquerade? If so, how was it handled?

Henry

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For CC10, we had event-only admissions for $5 – not sure if anyone
used them, but they were there. The idea was to make it cheaper than
a movie ticket. We also allowed hotel employees to attend the
masquerades for free if they showed their hotel employee id.

P & S

At 03:02 PM 6/4/2009, you wrote:

>Hello!
>
>Has any prior CC had people who just wanted to see either
>Masquerade? If so, how was it handled?
>
>Henry

“Those Who Fail to Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly –
Why They Are Simply Doomed.”

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C. Y. 4971

Andromeda

Charged ’em some nominal fee ($5-$10), and let them watch the masquerade and have access to the con suite.

Probably should be the equivalent price of buying a movie ticket.

–karen

—– Original Message —–
From: H W Osier
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 4:02 PM
Subject: [runacc] Masquerade Only Viewers

Hello!

Has any prior CC had people who just wanted to see either Masquerade? If so, how was it handled?

Henry

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For CC 25 we charged $5 to just see any shows.
Got 8 or so for SF&F & a few less for Historical (there’s notes here somewhere). Relatives & hotel guests who were curious.

Worth having a plan in place for when someone asked.

Nora

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Ricky & Karen Dick” <castleb@…> wrote:
>
> Charged ’em some nominal fee ($5-$10), and let them watch the masquerade and have access to the con suite.
>
> Probably should be the equivalent price of buying a movie ticket.
>
> –karen
>
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: H W Osier
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 4:02 PM
> Subject: [runacc] Masquerade Only Viewers
>
>
>
>
>
> Hello!
>
> Has any prior CC had people who just wanted to see either Masquerade? If so, how was it handled?
>
> Henry
>
>
>
>
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In a message dated 6/6/2009 6:33:52 AM Central Daylight Time,
von_drago@yahoo.com writes:

> Worth having a plan in place for when someone asked.

I know back at CC21, the issue came up and Marty suggested a 5 or 10
donation. I like the idea of having some plan in place.

Henry

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Can anyone here give me stats on Hall Costume Awards?

How many did you buy for your CC? Did you use them all? How many left over?

Thanks,

NOra

I bought a roll of them from Hodges. Used them as promotion at various
other cons for two years with a business card that hadd CC-27
information attached. Gave the remainder (about half a roll) to Deborah
and have no idea how many she gave out or how many she had left.

Marty

von_drago wrote:

>
>
> Can anyone here give me stats on Hall Costume Awards?
>
> How many did you buy for your CC? Did you use them all? How many left
> over?
>
> Thanks,
>
> NOra
>
>

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How many were on the roll to start with?

Nora

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Martin Gear <MartinGear@…> wrote:
> I bought a roll of them from Hodges. Used them as promotion at various
> other cons for two years with a business card that hadd CC-27
> information attached. Gave the remainder (about half a roll) to Deborah
> and have no idea how many she gave out or how many she had left.
>
> Marty
>
> von_drago wrote:
> >
> >
> > Can anyone here give me stats on Hall Costume Awards?
> >
> > How many did you buy for your CC? Did you use them all? How many left
> > over?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > NOra
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

A bunch! – The roll is 100 yards long x 1-5/8″ wide, and the “pull” is
approximately 6″ so you can estimate 600 ribbons. It cost ~$65 plus the
one time cost of the logo die.

Marty

von_drago wrote:

>
>
> How many were on the roll to start with?
>
> Nora
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Martin Gear <MartinGear@…> wrote:
> > I bought a roll of them from Hodges. Used them as promotion at various
> > other cons for two years with a business card that hadd CC-27
> > information attached. Gave the remainder (about half a roll) to Deborah
> > and have no idea how many she gave out or how many she had left.
> >
> > Marty
> >
> > von_drago wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Can anyone here give me stats on Hall Costume Awards?
> > >
> > > How many did you buy for your CC? Did you use them all? How many left
> > > over?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > NOra
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>

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We had our “pre-con” hall costume award ribbons which we handed out at
events wherever we travelled (including a number of Imperial Court
events, anywhere where dressing in theme was part of the genre).

I think Andy might have the stats on how many of those we gave out;
those were the 2.5 inch wide badge extender ribbons.

Jwhlyfer had a fairly (overly, to be frank) ambitious plan for the
at-con awards, with 3 tiers of awards and a few special Evil Genius
awards. When I get home tonight I can look up how many of which ribbons
we bought. We opted for streamers rather than badge extenders, and they
had their own distinctive color scheme. I’m pretty sure they gave out a
LOT of those ribbons; The special award winners are listed on the CC26
website at <http://www.cc26.info/main.php?section=events&page=othercontests>

As I said, I’ll look up the stats/costs when I get home tonight.

Kevin

von_drago wrote:

>
>
> Can anyone here give me stats on Hall Costume Awards?
>
> How many did you buy for your CC? Did you use them all? How many left
> over?
>
> Thanks,
>
> NOra
>
>
>
>

In a message dated 6/16/2009 9:20:16 AM Central Daylight Time,
von_drago@yahoo.com writes:

>
>
> Can anyone here give me stats on Hall Costume Awards?
>
> How many did you buy for your CC? Did you use them all? How many left
> over?
>
>
>
>
>

Speaking for CC21, not that many, which I was not happy ab out. I think
they were all used up.

Henry

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OK — as promised, what we bought for CC26 Hall Costume Ribbons:
(The setup fees are charged by Hodges when you buy less than 25 of a
custom design)

I would have to go check the boxes in my storage unit to see how many
are left.
______________________________________________________________
1 “Ultimate Evil Award for Hall Costuming” Rosette with Triple streamers
(black/maroon, lemon) and metallic copper printing
$2.70 + $10.00 setup fee = $12.70

6 “Evil Genius of the Day Hall Costume Award” Rosette with single black
streamer and copper printing
6@$2.30= $13.80 + $10.00 setup fee = $23.80

200 “Pure Evil Genius Hall Costume Award” black point-topped ribbons
with bronze print
200@$0.42=$84.00

Setup fee for the League of Evil Geniuses logo: $30
Setup fee for the LoEG rosettes center medals: $10

Total = $160.50

von_drago wrote:

>
>
> Can anyone here give me stats on Hall Costume Awards?
>
> How many did you buy for your CC? Did you use them all? How many left
> over?
>
> Thanks,
>
> NOra
>
> .
>
>

Apparently nobody can give me a number on how many Hall awards were actually given out over the course of the weekend for any CC?
Just the weekend, not before at other cons.

I don’t want to overbuy but also don’t want to come up short. I’m guessing at 200 – anybody agree with that?

Nora

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, osierhenry@… wrote:
>
> In a message dated 6/16/2009 9:20:16 AM Central Daylight Time,
> von_drago@… writes:
> >
> >
> > Can anyone here give me stats on Hall Costume Awards?
> >
> > How many did you buy for your CC? Did you use them all? How many left
> > over?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> Speaking for CC21, not that many, which I was not happy ab out. I think
> they were all used up.
>
> Henry
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I don’t know how aggressive Deborah was in passing out hall costume awards, but I think that 200 is about double what you’ll need.

M

Sent from my Verizon Wireless CrackBerry

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From: “von_drago” <von_drago@yahoo.com>

Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:55:49

To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>

Subject: [runacc] Re: Hall Awards

 

Apparently nobody can give me a number on how many Hall awards were actually given out over the course of the weekend for any CC?

Just the weekend, not before at other cons.

I don’t want to overbuy but also don’t want to come up short. I’m guessing at 200 – anybody agree with that?

Nora

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, osierhenry@… wrote:

>

> In a message dated 6/16/2009 9:20:16 AM Central Daylight Time,

> von_drago@… writes:

> >

> >

> > Can anyone here give me stats on Hall Costume Awards?

> >

> > How many did you buy for your CC? Did you use them all? How many left

> > over?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> Speaking for CC21, not that many, which I was not happy ab out. I think

> they were all used up.

>

> Henry

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

 

 

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I guess it all depends on what the message is for the weekend. If you
want to encourage folks to wear costumes, giving them a recognition that
they went to the trouble to get into something more than a t-shirt and
jeans seems to be a good thing.

If you think that recipients won’t appreciate receiving the ribbons, or
you think you might give more than one to the same person and that this
is a bad thing, don’t buy as many.

If you’ve got a 300 person con and you buy 200 ribbons, how many do you
think you’ll give to the same people? Is that a bad thing?

Any guesses as to how many will be in attendance at 28?

(Yeah, this is maybe not so helpful, but the whole thing’s a crapshoot
anyway, so I’d go with a best guess and not stress too much about it.)

Cheers,

Betsy

> —–Original Message—–
> From: “von_drago” <von_drago@yahoo.com <mailto:von_drago%40yahoo.com>>
>
> Apparently nobody can give me a number on how many Hall awards were
> actually given out over the course of the weekend for any CC?
> Just the weekend, not before at other cons.
>
> I don’t want to overbuy but also don’t want to come up short. I’m
> guessing at 200 – anybody agree with that?
>
> Nora

—
—
Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

Last year Denvention ordered 250 hall costume award ribbons, which is the number I’m ordering this year for Anticipation. These cons have about six times the membership of a CC (ca. 3,000 vs. 500). On the other hand, a much larger percentage of a CC’s members will be wearing hall costumes and will wear more than one over the course of the weekend, resulting in multiple awards to an individual. Unless someone has some actual numbers for CCs, on the whole, 200 sounds reasonable to me, I guess.

Byron

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From: von_drago<mailto:von_drago@yahoo.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 6:55 PM
Subject: [runacc] Re: Hall Awards

Apparently nobody can give me a number on how many Hall awards were actually given out over the course of the weekend for any CC?
Just the weekend, not before at other cons.

I don’t want to overbuy but also don’t want to come up short. I’m guessing at 200 – anybody agree with that?

Nora
— In runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>, osierhenry@… wrote:
>
> In a message dated 6/16/2009 9:20:16 AM Central Daylight Time,
> von_drago@… writes:
> >
> >
> > Can anyone here give me stats on Hall Costume Awards?
> >
> > How many did you buy for your CC? Did you use them all? How many left
> > over?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> Speaking for CC21, not that many, which I was not happy ab out. I think
> they were all used up.
>
> Henry
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Well, we bought 200, and we didn’t run out. I can count what’s left in
the box the next time I’m out at my storage unit.

I will probably be going over there before the end of this weekend.

Kevin

von_drago wrote:

>
>
> Apparently nobody can give me a number on how many Hall awards were
> actually given out over the course of the weekend for any CC?
> Just the weekend, not before at other cons.
>
> I don’t want to overbuy but also don’t want to come up short. I’m
> guessing at 200 – anybody agree with that?
>

I’m thinking of 100 standard & 2 – 50 count special categories.

Still sound reasonable?

Nora

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair” <chair@…> wrote:
>
> Well, we bought 200, and we didn’t run out. I can count what’s left in
> the box the next time I’m out at my storage unit.
>
> I will probably be going over there before the end of this weekend.
>
> Kevin
>
>
> von_drago wrote:
> >
> >
> > Apparently nobody can give me a number on how many Hall awards were
> > actually given out over the course of the weekend for any CC?
> > Just the weekend, not before at other cons.
> >
> > I don’t want to overbuy but also don’t want to come up short. I’m
> > guessing at 200 – anybody agree with that?
> >
>

Probably.

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: von_drago<mailto:von_drago@yahoo.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 10:46 PM
Subject: [runacc] Re: Hall Awards

I’m thinking of 100 standard & 2 – 50 count special categories.

Still sound reasonable?

Nora
— In runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>, “Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair” <chair@…> wrote:
>
> Well, we bought 200, and we didn’t run out. I can count what’s left in
> the box the next time I’m out at my storage unit.
>
> I will probably be going over there before the end of this weekend.
>
> Kevin
>
>
> von_drago wrote:
> >
> >
> > Apparently nobody can give me a number on how many Hall awards were
> > actually given out over the course of the weekend for any CC?
> > Just the weekend, not before at other cons.
> >
> > I don’t want to overbuy but also don’t want to come up short. I’m
> > guessing at 200 – anybody agree with that?
> >
>

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At the warehouse now…

We had 17 of the 200 ribbons left over.

Kevin

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 24, 2009, at 7:46 PM, “von_drago” <von_drago@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
> I’m thinking of 100 standard & 2 – 50 count special categories.
>
> Still sound reasonable?
>
> Nora
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair”
> <chair@…> wrote:
> >
> > Well, we bought 200, and we didn’t run out. I can count what’s
> left in
> > the box the next time I’m out at my storage unit.
> >
> > I will probably be going over there before the end of this weekend.
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> >
> > von_drago wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Apparently nobody can give me a number on how many Hall awards
> were
> > > actually given out over the course of the weekend for any CC?
> > > Just the weekend, not before at other cons.
> > >
> > > I don’t want to overbuy but also don’t want to come up short. I’m
> > > guessing at 200 – anybody agree with that?
> > >
> >
>
>

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Seeking a city/committee to run Costume-Con 31 (2013).

Bids must be submitted before November 9, 2009 (180 days out from Costume-Con 28). Voting will take place at Costume-Con 28, and is open to CC28 attending and supporting members.

For the boring procedural stuff on how to bid for a Costume-Con:

http://www.costume-con.org/constitution.shtml

–Karen Dick
Costume-Con Founder and “Mom”

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The Future Fashion Folio Rules are now posted on the website! Costumers!
Start your drawings!

Henry W. Osier
Chairman, Costume-Con 28
May 7 to May 10, 2010
www.CC28.org
Look for our fan page on Facebook!
And on Twitter: CostumeCon28
Got questions?
Join the CostumeCon Yahoo group!

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I think everyone on this list is also on ICG-D, but this message from
Cat caught my eye as something all the CC folks should know.

There is an ongoing discussion about what should be on a CC web site on
the list over there, and folks might want to take notes.

Back to lurking again…

-b

——– Original Message ——–
Subject: [ICG-D] Re: comment on the CC-28 web site
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 20:46:50 -0700
From: Cat Devereaux
Reply-To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com
To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com

<http://www.alleycatscratch.com/ffashion/>

As Nora mentioned, Fran and I set it up to explain it to folks outside
pure fandom. It’s kinda sat in a corner because LOTR jumped up and got
too successful. The advantage, it being small and in a corner, it’s
easy to update (vs blows up anything I try to think about publishing.)

So…. anyone who wants to contribute anything from other articles, to
examples, to whatever…. please do.

Con chairs, I work on keeping the information updated… and there is an
attached yahoo group that is announce only (like less then a dozen
messages a year) that has folks from all over the world including
teachers who do class projects and do send some in. I either just
relay the messages, or the folio director can join and I’ll give them
posting privaleges. The messages that get posted on that list always
assume that folks don’t know much about the event. Any questions that
come from the list, related to the contests get handed back to the folio
director.

Again… any and all help to make it more sense, is welcome.

-Cat-

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Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

Hello!

The membership rate is going up at the end of the month! You can find all the rate info and the form at http://www.cc28.org/memberships.php You can even pay via PayPal to CC2010Milw@cs.com

If everyone can spread the word, I would appreciate it.

Henry Osier
Chairman, Costume-Con 28

Looking for some CC statistics for the following years. I thought
these might be collecting somewhere, maybe not.

Total # room nights
# of room nights per night
Total #of attendees
# of attendees local vs. out of town
Total sq ft of conference space used

CC23, 24, 25, 26, 27

Sooner would be better than later. Thanks.

Michael

This is just a topic for discussion . . .

CC used to follow the WorldCon voting schedule of site selection three
years in advance. After the 2004 WorldCon, it switched to a two year
site selection schedule. Is it really necessary to have CC site
selection three years in advance?

Michael