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Group: runacc Message: 3104 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/18/2016
Subject: Re: CC34 Future Fashion Folio
Group: runacc Message: 3105 From: herself-the-elf@rogers.com Date: 6/18/2016
Subject: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
Group: runacc Message: 3106 From: herself-the-elf@rogers.com Date: 6/19/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
Group: runacc Message: 3107 From: dandyhank Date: 6/19/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
Group: runacc Message: 3108 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/27/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
Group: runacc Message: 3109 From: Marg Grady Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
Group: runacc Message: 3110 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
Group: runacc Message: 3111 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
Group: runacc Message: 3112 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
Group: runacc Message: 3113 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
Group: runacc Message: 3114 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
Group: runacc Message: 3115 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
Group: runacc Message: 3116 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
Group: runacc Message: 3117 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Example misconception
Group: runacc Message: 3118 From: Kevin Roche Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
Group: runacc Message: 3119 From: Vicky Young Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
Group: runacc Message: 3120 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
Group: runacc Message: 3121 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
Group: runacc Message: 3122 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
Group: runacc Message: 3123 From: ma0902432 Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
Group: runacc Message: 3124 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Example misconception
Group: runacc Message: 3125 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
Group: runacc Message: 3126 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Example misconception – the “Guidelines”
Group: runacc Message: 3127 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: “My First Costume-Con” (RE: [runacc] Some ideas for promoting CC)
Group: runacc Message: 3128 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/29/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
Group: runacc Message: 3129 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/29/2016
Subject: Re: Example misconception
Group: runacc Message: 3130 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/29/2016
Subject: Re: “My First Costume-Con” (RE: [runacc] Some ideas for promoting C
Group: runacc Message: 3131 From: Rick Kovalcik Date: 7/4/2016
Subject: costumecon 37 table at Worldcon
Group: runacc Message: 3132 From: Kevin Roche Date: 7/7/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
Group: runacc Message: 3133 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/7/2016
Subject: Taking back a Worldcon Award (was: Some ideas for promoting CC)
Group: runacc Message: 3134 From: Kevin Roche Date: 7/8/2016
Subject: Re: Taking back a Worldcon Award (was: Some ideas for promoting CC)
Group: runacc Message: 3135 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/8/2016
Subject: Re: Taking back a Worldcon Award (was: Some ideas for promoting CC)
Group: runacc Message: 3136 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 7/29/2016
Subject: Madison Info
Group: runacc Message: 3137 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 7/30/2016
Subject: Fwd: Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration for
Group: runacc Message: 3138 From: Kaijugal . Date: 7/31/2016
Subject: Re: Fwd: Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration
Group: runacc Message: 3139 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 7/31/2016
Subject: Re: Fwd: Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration
Group: runacc Message: 3140 From: Sharon Sbarsky Date: 7/31/2016
Subject: Re: Fwd: Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration
Group: runacc Message: 3141 From: Sharon Sbarsky Date: 7/31/2016
Subject: Re: costumecon 37 table at Worldcon
Group: runacc Message: 3142 From: Byron Connell Date: 7/31/2016
Subject: Re: Fwd: Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration
Group: runacc Message: 3143 From: Kaijugal . Date: 7/31/2016
Subject: Re: Fwd: Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration
Group: runacc Message: 3144 From: beckieboo817 Date: 8/22/2016
Subject: Costume Con 36
Group: runacc Message: 3145 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 9/13/2016
Subject: Costume-ConNections just got a massive overhaul!
Group: runacc Message: 3146 From: Byron Connell Date: 9/13/2016
Subject: Re: Costume-ConNections just got a massive overhaul!
Group: runacc Message: 3147 From: casamai Date: 11/27/2016
Subject: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 3148 From: casamai Date: 11/28/2016
Subject: Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 3149 From: Sharon Sbarsky Date: 11/28/2016
Subject: Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 3150 From: Byron Connell Date: 11/28/2016
Subject: Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 3151 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 11/29/2016
Subject: Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 3152 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 11/29/2016
Subject: Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 3153 From: ma0902432 Date: 11/29/2016
Subject: Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite

 


 

Group: runacc Message: 3104 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/18/2016
Subject: Re: CC34 Future Fashion Folio

 


I enjoy the folio both ways. My viewer allows for a 2 up page view so it works for me both ways.

The folio was nicely laid out Nora.

 

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 

 

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Group: runacc Message: 3105 From: herself-the-elf@rogers.com Date: 6/18/2016
Subject: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
I recently got back from AnimeNext where I was promoting CC35. I’ve
been doing CC promo at anime and comic-cons on and off for around 4
years now, and have recently been mulling over my experiences and
thoughts about what needs to be done to carry Costume-Con into the
future and keep it successful and relevant.

I feel
very strongly about Costume-Con and really love it. Because of this I’m
very concerned about how best to attract younger costumers, because most
of them have come up through the anime and comic-con circuit which is
in most cases completely separate from the older sci-fi and literary con
circuit. So many costumers who would have a blast at CC never even hear
about it.

Here are some of my thoughts about what’s
needed. I am willing to put my money where my mouth is and pitch in for a lot of
this, but it would be great to get some help ;D
#1 – Improving Web Presence

First
off, we urgently need a modern, accessible, centralized Costume-Con.com
page so that when people google ‘Costume-Con’ they find useful,
up-to-date information AND see something that will get them interested.
This is the most critical thing. The current page is both out-of-date in
terms of information, and makes the casual observer assume that the
event is either defunct or very disorganized. Cosplayers are extremely
web-savvy and are unlikely to take a chance on a con that has a weak web
presence. We need something in line with the websites for your standard
modern comic, media or anime con if we want the younger generation of
costumers to not dismiss us out of hand without even finding out that CC
has great stuff going on.

I would be happy to build and maintain a new costume-con.com page. I WANT to do it, I just need to be able to access the domain. If someone else is going to do it, that’s great, but it is extremely
important that it gets done ASAP. Many people I was talking to at
AnimeNext were very interested in attending CC37 in Salem and other
future CCs, but without a functional centralized way of finding CC (and
if they don’t know the CC# to search for it), we will continue to
struggle at attracting new attendees. It’s about more than just
promoting the current or upcoming CC; many people are now hearing about
the con for the first time and we need to think about the long game.

Ideally
the new page would have some good graphics, eye-catching photos, and clear, basic info about what CC is, how it works, why cosplayers should be
interested. What it does that is different from other cons.

#2 – Promotion at other cons

I think it would be really useful to have
eye-catching promo material that is non-year-specific, that can be
reused and passed on. It is critical to do outreach at anime and
comic-cons in the areas near upcoming CCs, not just to get them to
register for the upcoming one, but to spread awareness of CC and get
them talking to their local costuming communities, to spread interest
and excitement. I’m planning on getting at least one large-format banner
printed that could be used by many successive CCs for promotion at
anime and comic-cons, as well as some postcards that have a brief
explanation of CC’s concept and the dates/locations of the next few
upcoming CCs. So even if they can’t make the next one, they can start
planning for future CCs.

The important thing is grabbing people’s attention and then
explaining what CC can offer them. The spiel I’ve found which works the
best usually touches on:

– 4 days of nonstop costuming/cosplay!

any kind of costume is welcome, from media recreation to historical to
original design! This is especially useful to emphasize, as many anime
cons only allow or embrace Japanese-origin costumes. Many cosplayers
would like to branch out but don’t know there’s a venue that would
welcome this!
– 4 different competitions, including a fashion design competition
– dealer’s room full of costume supplies
– shopping tours
– all the panels and workshops are about learning cool new skills and techniques

– “It’s basically cosplayer heaven”

In addition, every CC committee (and anyone in the general area of an upcoming CC) should
be connecting with local cosplay groups on Facebook and in-person to do outreach.

Send someone to every anime and comic-con within driving distance, to
not just leave a pile of flyers somewhere, but sit at a table with an
eye-catching display and explain CC to people.
– Print out
promotional material that has lots of
nice colour photos and big text explaining the basic elements of CC and
what it can offer. For CC32 we went through a lot of double-sided colour
postcards – they can have basic info, are eye-catching, easy to read and memorable. Paper
registration forms aren’t really needed much anymore – most people at
anime & comic-cons will be registering online.
– See someone walk by with a fantastic costume? Flag them down, hand them a flyer/postcard, explain what Costume-Con is.
This is the kind of thing of which Dawn and I did a lot in the years leading up to CC32.

#3 – Retaining New Attendees
I
have heard time and again from younger people who have attended a CC
for the first time that they felt excluded and isolated – that the
atmosphere was very insular, that there was a clear assumption that
everyone should already know how everything worked, that info was hard
to find, that newcomers were mostly left to fend for themselves and felt left
out as a result. I know that many CC conrunners have done great
work to be more inclusive, but we need to keep working at that and do
more. It may seem tedious to CC veterans, but we need to start aiming
our promotional material and websites at people who have never attended a
CC (or Worldcon, or similar con) before, and make sure we always have
some programming tailored for both veterans and newcomers.
In Summary

There
are plenty of cosplayers who just want to dress up and have fun, who
have little interest in branching out or learning other techniques, and
that’s fine. CC is not the place for them. But there are still a LOT of
cosplayers attending anime and comic-cons who definitely are interested in
the kind of things that CC can offer, and they just have no idea there
is a venue for that. I talk to them at cons all the time and they are
excited about Costume-Con, and amazed that it has existed for so long
while they’ve never heard of it. Is every cosplayer who tries CC once
going to become a regular who throws themselves into it wholeheartedly?
Of course not, but we won’t get the die-hards without reaching out to
everyone.

If we want CC to not just survive but thrive, we need
to keep reaching out to them. It’s going to take work to bridge the gap
between our two communities. We can’t rest on our laurels and wait for
them to come to us; we have to go out and convince them. It is critical
to stop dismissing ‘those anime kids’, and instead embrace them as what
they are – the next generation of costumers and the people who will keep
Costume-Con vibrant for years to come.

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3106 From: herself-the-elf@rogers.com Date: 6/19/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
Sorry everybody, forgot to sign it!

— Maral Agnerian

 

Group: runacc Message: 3107 From: dandyhank Date: 6/19/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
Thanks for posting this! I told Karen I would write an article on How To Promote Your Costume-Con. I have been busy, but should have an outline done in a couple of days.

Henry

 

Group: runacc Message: 3108 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/27/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

 

Comments below – they are only my opinions.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 10:40 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

I recently got back from AnimeNext where I was promoting CC35. I’ve been doing CC promo at anime and comic-cons on and off for around 4 years now, and have recently been mulling over my experiences and thoughts about what needs to be done to carry Costume-Con into the future and keep it successful and relevant.

I feel very strongly about Costume-Con and really love it. Because of this I’m very concerned about how best to attract younger costumers, because most of them have come up through the anime and comic-con circuit which is in most cases completely separate from the older sci-fi and literary con circuit. So many costumers who would have a blast at CC never even hear about it.

Here are some of my thoughts about what’s needed. I am willing to put my money where my mouth is and pitch in for a lot of this, but it would be great to get some help ;D

#1 – Improving Web Presence

First off, we urgently need a modern, accessible, centralized Costume-Con.com page so that when people google ‘Costume-Con’ they find useful, up-to-date information AND see something that will get them interested. This is the most critical thing. The current page is both out-of-date in terms of information, and makes the casual observer assume that the event is either defunct or very disorganized. Cosplayers are extremely web-savvy and are unlikely to take a chance on a con that has a weak web presence. We need something in line with the websites for your standard modern comic, media or anime con if we want the younger generation of costumers to not dismiss us out of hand without even finding out that CC has great stuff going on.

I would be happy to build and maintain a new costume-con.com page. I WANT to do it, I just need to be able to access the domain. If someone else is going to do it, that’s great, but it is extremely important that it gets done ASAP. Many people I was talking to at AnimeNext were very interested in attending CC37 in Salem and other future CCs, but without a functional centralized way of finding CC (and if they don’t know the CC# to search for it), we will continue to struggle at attracting new attendees. It’s about more than just promoting the current or upcoming CC; many people are now hearing about the con for the first time and we need to think about the long game.

Ideally the new page would have some good graphics, eye-catching photos, and clear, basic info about what CC is, how it works, why cosplayers should be interested. What it does that is different from other cons.

I absolutely agree.   The website has desperately been in need for updating for years.  The “countdown clock” has made me clench my teeth for a long time.  I say, if someone wants to take on the task of a makeover, LET THEM DO IT!   DON’T LET THEM GET AWAY!

#2 – Promotion at other cons

I think it would be really useful to have eye-catching promo material that is non-year-specific, that can be reused and passed on. It is critical to do outreach at anime and comic-cons in the areas near upcoming CCs, not just to get them to register for the upcoming one, but to spread awareness of CC and get them talking to their local costuming communities, to spread interest and excitement. I’m planning on getting at least one large-format banner printed that could be used by many successive CCs for promotion at anime and comic-cons, as well as some postcards that have a brief explanation of CC’s concept and the dates/locations of the next few upcoming CCs. So even if they can’t make the next one, they can start planning for future CCs.

The important thing is grabbing people’s attention and then explaining what CC can offer them. The spiel I’ve found which works the best usually touches on:

– 4 days of nonstop costuming/cosplay!

– any kind of costume is welcome, from media recreation to historical to original design! This is especially useful to emphasize, as many anime cons only allow or embrace Japanese-origin costumes. Many cosplayers would like to branch out but don’t know there’s a venue that would welcome this!

– 4 different competitions, including a fashion design competition

– dealer’s room full of costume supplies

– shopping tours

– all the panels and workshops are about learning cool new skills and techniques

– “It’s basically cosplayer heaven”

In addition, every CC committee (and anyone in the general area of an upcoming CC) should be connecting with local cosplay groups on Facebook and in-person to do outreach.
– Send someone to every anime and comic-con within driving distance, to not just leave a pile of flyers somewhere, but sit at a table with an eye-catching display and explain CC to people.
– Print out promotional material that has lots of nice colour photos and big text explaining the basic elements of CC and what it can offer. For CC32 we went through a lot of double-sided colour postcards – they can have basic info, are eye-catching, easy to read and memorable. Paper registration forms aren’t really needed much anymore – most people at anime & comic-cons will be registering online.
– See someone walk by with a fantastic costume? Flag them down, hand them a flyer/postcard, explain what Costume-Con is.
This is the kind of thing of which Dawn and I did a lot in the years leading up to CC32.

Much of this we’ve been saying for years, but I think the MACS/CC34 really put this into practice.   If you guys were doing it too, then good on ya.

 

#3 – Retaining New Attendees

I have heard time and again from younger people who have attended a CC for the first time that they felt excluded and isolated – that the atmosphere was very insular, that there was a clear assumption that everyone should already know how everything worked, that info was hard to find, that newcomers were mostly left to fend for themselves and felt left out as a result. I know that many CC conrunners have done great work to be more inclusive, but we need to keep working at that and do more. It may seem tedious to CC veterans, but we need to start aiming our promotional material and websites at people who have never attended a CC (or Worldcon, or similar con) before, and make sure we always have some programming tailored for both veterans and newcomers.

 

I mostly agree with this.   Knowledge about CC has always been relatively de-centralized.   The time is already here to recognize that there will be fewer and fewer committees made up of people from the earlier days of CC who know the ropes.   And in turn, without guidance, regulars can’t grump if traditions and formats aren’t maintained because more often than not many of the future committees will have attended few, if any, CCs before they run their own.

 

Nora and I have found that having a “My First Costume-Con” panel at the con is a critical first step to making people feel included.   Every person that attended that panel came away with a much better impression of the con.   But, of course, not everyone is going to attend it.     So, yes, there needs to be helpful information published both on line and in the program book.   I wrote an FAQ for CC25 that has been used by some of the following CCs that can be tweaked.

 

In Summary

There are plenty of cosplayers who just want to dress up and have fun, who have little interest in branching out or learning other techniques, and that’s fine. CC is not the place for them. But there are still a LOT of cosplayers attending anime and comic-cons who definitely are interested in the kind of things that CC can offer, and they just have no idea there is a venue for that. I talk to them at cons all the time and they are excited about Costume-Con, and amazed that it has existed for so long while they’ve never heard of it. Is every cosplayer who tries CC once going to become a regular who throws themselves into it wholeheartedly? Of course not, but we won’t get the die-hards without reaching out to everyone.

 

Over a decade ago, as we were watching the cosplay phenomenon grow by leaps and bounds, we said that if we could capture just 10% of that crowd, it could double the attendance at CCs.

If we want CC to not just survive but thrive, we need to keep reaching out to them. It’s going to take work to bridge the gap between our two communities. We can’t rest on our laurels and wait for them to come to us; we have to go out and convince them. It is critical to stop dismissing ‘those anime kids’, and instead embrace them as what they are – the next generation of costumers and the people who will keep Costume-Con vibrant for years to come.

This is where the most work needs to be done, trying to merge two different cultures and generations.   Unfortunately, it could be an uphill battle to combat perceptions of each community.   A major push needs to be made to educate and have a greater understanding between the established base of attendees and the new ones we’re trying to attract.

The regular attendees are probably largely unaware that, actually, many of the younger generation of costumers/cosplayers are intimidated by those of us long-time costumers.  I recall observing any number of times how excited newbies were to be recognized by their older peers, validating their work in a competitive venue.  But there’s still work to be done regarding the masquerade costuming community regarding competition.   I’m reminded of Yaya Han’s (incorrect) perception of the “strict ICG rules” mentioned in an episode of “Heroes of Cosplay”.   Scoff if you want, but it’s a perception held by many people who have not actually attended a CC.

Regarding “cliques”.    This works both ways.   I explained in the FAQ that many people may only get to see each other in person once a year, so they may not be as proactive about talking to newbies as they perhaps should be, if they want the con to grow.   You also have to keep in mind that many costumers, both young and old, are shy.  Shyness can be mistaken as aloofness.   It’s a common mistake made by shy or new people to hope they will be noticed and approached.    That’s not the way things generally work.  It’s just a fact of human nature, even at CC.   Are there things that can be done?  Absolutely.

A thought about promotion:  in any material, show that the hobby appeals to all ages.  Include old recreation photos from earlier decades.   Have people of all ages in recreations today.  But also show there’s a whole ‘nother world of creativity with original works not just by the older generation, but also the younger ones (there are fewer of them, but they’re out there).  Make sure works from other shows don’t get overlooked, like the FFS and Historical.   This year, we had a lot of newbies in some of those shows.   Good stuff.    People need to see that.

 

Bruce

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3109 From: Marg Grady Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)
When I tried marketing to the younger folks here in the Phoenix cosplay community, an issue I ran into was “price point”… they couldn’t afford Costume-Con.

 

Group: runacc Message: 3110 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

That’s one of the reasons we had a $25 student ticket for CC32. People could show their high school ID and

purchase it.

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 09:03:27 -0700
Subject: [runacc] Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

 

When I tried marketing to the younger folks here in the Phoenix cosplay community, an issue I ran into was “price point”… they couldn’t afford Costume-Con.

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3111 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

Generally, I agree. However, I have made a few comments below.

 

Byron

 

 

On Jun 27, 2016, at 11:11 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Comments below – they are only my opinions.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 10:40 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)




I recently got back from AnimeNext where I was promoting CC35. I’ve been doing CC promo at anime and comic-cons on and off for around 4 years now, and have recently been mulling over my experiences and thoughts about what needs to be done to carry Costume-Con into the future and keep it successful and relevant.

I feel very strongly about Costume-Con and really love it. Because of this I’m very concerned about how best to attract younger costumers, because most of them have come up through the anime and comic-con circuit which is in most cases completely separate from the older sci-fi and literary con circuit. So many costumers who would have a blast at CC never even hear about it.

Here are some of my thoughts about what’s needed. I am willing to put my money where my mouth is and pitch in for a lot of this, but it would be great to get some help ;D

#1 – Improving Web Presence

First off, we urgently need a modern, accessible, centralized Costume-Con.com page so that when people google ‘Costume-Con’ they find useful, up-to-date information AND see something that will get them interested. This is the most critical thing. The current page is both out-of-date in terms of information, and makes the casual observer assume that the event is either defunct or very disorganized. Cosplayers are extremely web-savvy and are unlikely to take a chance on a con that has a weak web presence. We need something in line with the websites for your standard modern comic, media or anime con if we want the younger generation of costumers to not dismiss us out of hand without even finding out that CC has great stuff going on.

I would be happy to build and maintain a new costume-con.com page. I WANT to do it, I just need to be able to access the domain. If someone else is going to do it, that’s great, but it is extremely important that it gets done ASAP. Many people I was talking to at AnimeNext were very interested in attending CC37 in Salem and other future CCs, but without a functional centralized way of finding CC (and if they don’t know the CC# to search for it), we will continue to struggle at attracting new attendees. It’s about more than just promoting the current or upcoming CC; many people are now hearing about the con for the first time and we need to think about the long game.

Ideally the new page would have some good graphics, eye-catching photos, and clear, basic info about what CC is, how it works, why cosplayers should be interested. What it does that is different from other cons.

I absolutely agree.   The website has desperately been in need for updating for years.  The “countdown clock” has made me clench my teeth for a long time.  I say, if someone wants to take on the task of a makeover, LET THEM DO IT!   DON’T LET THEM GET AWAY!

#2 – Promotion at other cons

I think it would be really useful to have eye-catching promo material that is non-year-specific, that can be reused and passed on. It is critical to do outreach at anime and comic-cons in the areas near upcoming CCs, not just to get them to register for the upcoming one, but to spread awareness of CC and get them talking to their local costuming communities, to spread interest and excitement. I’m planning on getting at least one large-format banner printed that could be used by many successive CCs for promotion at anime and comic-cons, as well as some postcards that have a brief explanation of CC’s concept and the dates/locations of the next few upcoming CCs. So even if they can’t make the next one, they can start planning for future CCs. 

The important thing is grabbing people’s attention and then explaining what CC can offer them. The spiel I’ve found which works the best usually touches on:

– 4 days of nonstop costuming/cosplay!

– any kind of costume is welcome, from media recreation to historical to original design! This is especially useful to emphasize, as many anime cons only allow or embrace Japanese-origin costumes. Many cosplayers would like to branch out but don’t know there’s a venue that would welcome this!

– 4 different competitions, including a fashion design competition

– dealer’s room full of costume supplies

– shopping tours

– all the panels and workshops are about learning cool new skills and techniques

– “It’s basically cosplayer heaven”

In addition, every CC committee (and anyone in the general area of an upcoming CC) should be connecting with local cosplay groups on Facebook and in-person to do outreach. 
– Send someone to every anime and comic-con within driving distance, to not just leave a pile of flyers somewhere, but sit at a table with an eye-catching display and explain CC to people. 
– Print out promotional material that has lots of nice colour photos and big text explaining the basic elements of CC and what it can offer. For CC32 we went through a lot of double-sided colour postcards – they can have basic info, are eye-catching, easy to read and memorable. Paper registration forms aren’t really needed much anymore – most people at anime & comic-cons will be registering online. 
– See someone walk by with a fantastic costume? Flag them down, hand them a flyer/postcard, explain what Costume-Con is. 
This is the kind of thing of which Dawn and I did a lot in the years leading up to CC32.

Much of this we’ve been saying for years, but I think the MACS/CC34 really put this into practice.   If you guys were doing it too, then good on ya.

 

#3 – Retaining New Attendees

I have heard time and again from younger people who have attended a CC for the first time that they felt excluded and isolated – that the atmosphere was very insular, that there was a clear assumption that everyone should already know how everything worked, that info was hard to find, that newcomers were mostly left to fend for themselves and felt left out as a result. I know that many CC conrunners have done great work to be more inclusive, but we need to keep working at that and do more. It may seem tedious to CC veterans, but we need to start aiming our promotional material and websites at people who have never attended a CC (or Worldcon, or similar con) before, and make sure we always have some programming tailored for both veterans and newcomers.

 

I mostly agree with this.   Knowledge about CC has always been relatively de-centralized.   The time is already here to recognize that there will be fewer and fewer committees made up of people from the earlier days of CC who know the ropes.   And in turn, without guidance, regulars can’t grump if traditions and formats aren’t maintained because more often than not many of the future committees will have attended few, if any, CCs before they run their own.

 

Nora and I have found that having a “My First Costume-Con” panel at the con is a critical first step to making people feel included.   Every person that attended that panel came away with a much better impression of the con.   But, of course, not everyone is going to attend it.     So, yes, there needs to be helpful information published both on line and in the program book.   I wrote an FAQ for CC25 that has been used by some of the following CCs that can be tweaked.

Can someone elucidate the helpful information that ought to be published? Just saying “helpful information” is about as useful as the high-level abstractions in a political candidate’s stump speech. Let’s have some specifics, please.

 

In Summary

There are plenty of cosplayers who just want to dress up and have fun, who have little interest in branching out or learning other techniques, and that’s fine. CC is not the place for them. But there are still a LOT of cosplayers attending anime and comic-cons who definitely are interested in the kind of things that CC can offer, and they just have no idea there is a venue for that. I talk to them at cons all the time and they are excited about Costume-Con, and amazed that it has existed for so long while they’ve never heard of it. Is every cosplayer who tries CC once going to become a regular who throws themselves into it wholeheartedly? Of course not, but we won’t get the die-hards without reaching out to everyone.

 

Over a decade ago, as we were watching the cosplay phenomenon grow by leaps and bounds, we said that if we could capture just 10% of that crowd, it could double the attendance at CCs.



If we want CC to not just survive but thrive, we need to keep reaching out to them. It’s going to take work to bridge the gap between our two communities. We can’t rest on our laurels and wait for them to come to us; we have to go out and convince them. It is critical to stop dismissing ‘those anime kids’, and instead embrace them as what they are – the next generation of costumers and the people who will keep Costume-Con vibrant for years to come. 

This is where the most work needs to be done, trying to merge two different cultures and generations.   Unfortunately, it could be an uphill battle to combat perceptions of each community.   A major push needs to be made to educate and have a greater understanding between the established base of attendees and the new ones we’re trying to attract.

The regular attendees are probably largely unaware that, actually, many of the younger generation of costumers/cosplayers are intimidated by those of us long-time costumers.  I recall observing any number of times how excited newbies were to be recognized by their older peers, validating their work in a competitive venue.  But there’s still work to be done regarding the masquerade costuming community regarding competition.   I’m reminded of Yaya Han’s (incorrect) perception of the “strict ICG rules” mentioned in an episode of “Heroes of Cosplay”.   Scoff if you want, but it’s a perception held by many people who have not actually attended a CC.

What is the nature of the mis-perception? If we don’t know what the incorrect beliefs are, there’s little we can do to counteract them. More specifics, please.

Regarding “cliques”.    This works both ways.   I explained in the FAQ that many people may only get to see each other in person once a year, so they may not be as proactive about talking to newbies as they perhaps should be, if they want the con to grow.   You also have to keep in mind that many costumers, both young and old, are shy.  Shyness can be mistaken as aloofness.   It’s a common mistake made by shy or new people to hope they will be noticed and approached.    That’s not the way things generally work.  It’s just a fact of human nature, even at CC.   Are there things that can be done?  Absolutely.

I’m not shy, but I’m not outgoing, either. I prefer to sit by myself. I don’t approach people I haven’t met; that’s not in my nature. Maybe we need to commission our outgoing types to take the lead in glad-handing newbies. If they don’t know that’s what they ought to do . . . .

A thought about promotion:  in any material, show that the hobby appeals to all ages.  Include old recreation photos from earlier decades.   Have people of all ages in recreations today.  But also show there’s a whole ‘nother world of creativity with original works not just by the older generation, but also the younger ones (there are fewer of them, but they’re out there).  Make sure works from other shows don’t get overlooked, like the FFS and Historical.   This year, we had a lot of newbies in some of those shows.   Good stuff.    People need to see that.

 

Bruce

 




 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3112 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

One-day memberships also could help. Albacon is an SF con, not a costume-con, but we’ve had a fair amount of success by offering a “Saturday only” $10 membership. It tends to bring in younger fans who can’t afford a full membership and have other events to  distract them on the weekend (studying, church, sports, and so forth). Remember, you’re in competition with every other event that weekend.

 

Byron

 

 

On Jun 28, 2016, at 12:56 PM, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

That’s one of the reasons we had a $25 student ticket for CC32. People could show their high school ID and

purchase it.


Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  




To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 09:03:27 -0700
Subject: [runacc] Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

 

When I tried marketing to the younger folks here in the Phoenix cosplay community, an issue I ran into was “price point”… they couldn’t afford Costume-Con.

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3113 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

Bruce Mai Wrote: “I’m reminded of Yaya Han’s (incorrect) perception of the “strict ICG rules” mentioned in an episode of “Heroes of Cosplay”.   Scoff if you want, but it’s a perception held by many people who have not actually attended a CC.”

Byron Wrote: “What is the nature of the mis-perception? If we don’t know what the incorrect beliefs are, there’s little we can do to counteract them. More specifics, please. ”

There are numerous odd perceptions, so odd in fact that I can’t recall all of them. When I have the time I’ll delve into the old Cosplay.com files and try to find some of the many threads that I,  Maral, Karisu, Danny, (Aurora?) and others have been involved in trying to set the record straight.

Much of the initial damage was done by a cosplayer known as Saeto. (who tried to be in Yaya’s sphere for some time at the beginning of Yaya’s initial climb to notoriety), and possibly imbued Yaya with some of these notions.

This person has done so much damage to all communities that she actually had an Encyclopedia Dramatica entry written about her.

There are a few others, who either misunderstood the guidelines, or “heard stories”, and thus pontificated and expounded on them with no actual personal experience.

Locally the Guidelines are more well known so this seems to be a less of an issue for us, but we still have to work with people who have never heard of them to make them understand the merits. 🙂 That’s just part of being  a good promotional team.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3114 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

I hope you can do so. I can’t address lies if I don’t know what lies are being told.

 

Beyond that, there seems to be a divide between old fogies like me and those who grew up with and still enjoy cosplay. Frankly, I don’t. I attended a cosplay convention once and was rather bored. Consequently, I’m not sure howe much I and costumers like me can contribute to refuting lies.
I do get the general perception that some people do not understand that costume-con isn’t an ICG activity. I get the impression that some people don’t realize that you can enter the master division by checking that box on an entry form; they seem to think the master division is restricted to entrants with certain numbers and types of awards. Maybe it is at the type of cons they attend, but they don’t even read the form. I get the impression that they’ve never read the Fairness Guidelines and that they believe the guidelines are binding on individual masquerade directors. (That’s why I argued, in the early 2000s, in favor of simply repealing the guidelines.) I get the impression that some people think that “we” (whoever “we” are) keep track of who won what at which event. Maybe this is because it’s what they would do if they were “in charge.”
I find all this very frustrating. For the past decade at least, we’ve been unable, it appears to me, to make any progress. If they don’t want to listen, they won’t do so, no matter how much we glitz up our stuff..
Byron

 

 

On Jun 28, 2016, at 3:17 PM, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Bruce Mai Wrote: “I’m reminded of Yaya Han’s (incorrect) perception of the “strict ICG rules” mentioned in an episode of “Heroes of Cosplay”.   Scoff if you want, but it’s a perception held by many people who have not actually attended a CC.”

Byron Wrote: “What is the nature of the mis-perception? If we don’t know what the incorrect beliefs are, there’s little we can do to counteract them. More specifics, please. “

There are numerous odd perceptions, so odd in fact that I can’t recall all of them. When I have the time I’ll delve into the old Cosplay.com files and try to find some of the many threads that I,  Maral, Karisu, Danny, (Aurora?) and others have been involved in trying to set the record straight. 

Much of the initial damage was done by a cosplayer known as Saeto. (who tried to be in Yaya’s sphere for some time at the beginning of Yaya’s initial climb to notoriety), and possibly imbued Yaya with some of these notions. 

This person has done so much damage to all communities that she actually had an Encyclopedia Dramatica entry written about her.

There are a few others, who either misunderstood the guidelines, or “heard stories”, and thus pontificated and expounded on them with no actual personal experience.

Locally the Guidelines are more well known so this seems to be a less of an issue for us, but we still have to work with people who have never heard of them to make them understand the merits. 🙂 That’s just part of being  a good promotional team.

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3115 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

I unintentionally omitted the Mai’s from  of people who commented on Cosplay.com.
They have also been heavily involved in many threads there, often specifically in relation to the ICG and the Guidelines.
(Sorry guys!)

Some of the threads I’m quickly skimming are from 2004 – 2005 and sorry Byron I can’t quote large chunks of the oddness
because it seems Saeto deleted her account and all her posts, and indeed some threads in their entirety. :/

A link to an example of a later/saner thread. http://www.cosplay.com/showthread.php?t=66267&highlight=guidelines

Side note to Byron: Erol, (read Cosplay.com’s personal devils advocate – haha 😀 ) asks on the first page :
“Does ICG keep track of a member’s number of awards, or is this on the honor system?”

 

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3116 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

Addendum: 

 
This thread is of a later date (2005) and contains far less misinformation than usual, (some due to deleted posts).
 
Ignore whenever someone uses the phrase, “most anime conventions”. This is almost exclusively means
“the few anime conventions in my area of personal experience”.
 

This is why I now always try to frame it as, “Anime Cons in my area.” or name the specific cons or geographic area I’m talking about.

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 18:23:44 -0400
Subject: RE: [runacc] Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

 

I unintentionally omitted the Mai’s from  of people who commented on Cosplay.com.
They have also been heavily involved in many threads there, often specifically in relation to the ICG and the Guidelines.
(Sorry guys!)

Some of the threads I’m quickly skimming are from 2004 – 2005 and sorry Byron I can’t quote large chunks of the oddness
because it seems Saeto deleted her account and all her posts, and indeed some threads in their entirety. :/

A link to an example of a later/saner thread. http://www.cosplay.com/showthread.php?t=66267&highlight=guidelines

Side note to Byron: Erol, (read Cosplay.com’s personal devils advocate – haha 😀 ) asks on the first page :
“Does ICG keep track of a member’s number of awards, or is this on the honor system?”

 

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3117 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Example misconception

 

Example misconception:

I actually dislike the ICG guidelines, because there’s only one WorldCon and one CostumeCon per year – very difficult to ever get out of competing in Novice class by those standards. And who can afford WorldCon anyway? ”

————

Addressed long ago in 2004, but an example of someone thinking they can only “rank up”* (not my words), if they attend Costume-Con or Worldcon.

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3118 From: Kevin Roche Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

I was active on Cosplay.com for a while when I directed the Anime LA masquerade. I tried to be a costuming resource as well as an “ambassador” from our generation and the ICG.

I freely admit I stopped trying so hard there after a particular incident. We had to disqualify and revoke two awards from the ALA contest after the fact for rules violations (one for lying about having a ALA membership, the other for submitting purchased costume for workmanship judging as her own work. Both easily verified.). I’d posted the awards oat cosplay.com, so I also posted notice of the revocations.
One of the revokees turned out to be a cosplay.com moderator. Another moderator deleted all my posts about the revocations. I discovered I had a limit to my patience with that sort of foolish online behavior.
On the other hand, I’ve had so many wonderful experiences in person with the younger generation of cosplayers. I taught a couple just last Sunday about using a cake knife and/or electric carving knife for shaping foam. They were working on what should be an amazing giant battle axe.
I think I’ll keep looking for the latter sort of interactions to connect with “the cosplay generation”.

 

On Tuesday, June 28, 2016, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Addendum: 

 
This thread is of a later date (2005) and contains far less misinformation than usual, (some due to deleted posts).
 
Ignore whenever someone uses the phrase, “most anime conventions”. This is almost exclusively means
“the few anime conventions in my area of personal experience”.
 

This is why I now always try to frame it as, “Anime Cons in my area.” or name the specific cons or geographic area I’m talking about.

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 18:23:44 -0400
Subject: RE: [runacc] Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

 

I unintentionally omitted the Mai’s from  of people who commented on Cosplay.com.
They have also been heavily involved in many threads there, often specifically in relation to the ICG and the Guidelines.
(Sorry guys!)

Some of the threads I’m quickly skimming are from 2004 – 2005 and sorry Byron I can’t quote large chunks of the oddness
because it seems Saeto deleted her account and all her posts, and indeed some threads in their entirety. :/

A link to an example of a later/saner thread. http://www.cosplay.com/showthread.php?t=66267&highlight=guidelines

Side note to Byron: Erol, (read Cosplay.com’s personal devils advocate – haha 😀 ) asks on the first page :
“Does ICG keep track of a member’s number of awards, or is this on the honor system?”

 

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3119 From: Vicky Young Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

For better or for worse, Cosplay.com seems to be a bit of a dying entity. I used to be active there several years ago, but it seems that only a handful of people remain over there. CC34 made an attempt to connect with cosplayers there, but we had significantly less success than previous CCs. We tried to figure out where they went, and our best guess was social media.
Vicky A. 
On Tuesday, June 28, 2016 6:24 PM, “Kevin Roche kevin@twistedimage.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I was active on Cosplay.com for a while when I directed the Anime LA masquerade. I tried to be a costuming resource as well as an “ambassador” from our generation and the ICG.
I freely admit I stopped trying so hard there after a particular incident. We had to disqualify and revoke two awards from the ALA contest after the fact for rules violations (one for lying about having a ALA membership, the other for submitting purchased costume for workmanship judging as her own work. Both easily verified.). I’d posted the awards oat cosplay.com, so I also posted notice of the revocations.
One of the revokees turned out to be a cosplay.com moderator. Another moderator deleted all my posts about the revocations. I discovered I had a limit to my patience with that sort of foolish online behavior.
On the other hand, I’ve had so many wonderful experiences in person with the younger generation of cosplayers. I taught a couple just last Sunday about using a cake knife and/or electric carving knife for shaping foam. They were working on what should be an amazing giant battle axe.
I think I’ll keep looking for the latter sort of interactions to connect with “the cosplay generation”.


On Tuesday, June 28, 2016, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 



Addendum: 

 
This thread is of a later date (2005) and contains far less misinformation than usual, (some due to deleted posts).
 
Ignore whenever someone uses the phrase, “most anime conventions”. This is almost exclusively means
“the few anime conventions in my area of personal experience”.
 

This is why I now always try to frame it as, “Anime Cons in my area.” or name the specific cons or geographic area I’m talking about.


Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  




To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 18:23:44 -0400
Subject: RE: [runacc] Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

 

I unintentionally omitted the Mai’s from  of people who commented on Cosplay.com. 
They have also been heavily involved in many threads there, often specifically in relation to the ICG and the Guidelines. 
(Sorry guys!)

Some of the threads I’m quickly skimming are from 2004 – 2005 and sorry Byron I can’t quote large chunks of the oddness
because it seems Saeto deleted her account and all her posts, and indeed some threads in their entirety. :/


A link to an example of a later/saner thread. http://www.cosplay.com/showthread.php?t=66267&highlight=guidelines

Side note to Byron: Erol, (read Cosplay.com’s personal devils advocate – haha 😀 ) asks on the first page :
“Does ICG keep track of a member’s number of awards, or is this on the honor system?”



Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3120 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

 

Okay, I’m going to post what I cut out in the original email, because I thought I was getting too far into the weeds.   But for the purposes of your question, Byron, I spoke to the generational and cultural  divides.   Glad I kept it.

 

 

On the one hand you have those who say “Don’t call us kids!”.   Heck, my parents still call Nora and me “the kids” and I’m going to be turning 60 shortly.  But I understand the complaint – the youthful exuberance of the younger generations raised on media tend to grate on the older people – who probably forget they were that way at that age.   There is also a perception of narcissism that is perpetuated by a relatively small subset of cosplayers who seek some sort of “celebrity”.   So the rest of the cosplay community gets tarred with the same brush, which is unfair.    The rest of the cosplayer community often roll their eyes at those people as much as everyone else.    And there’s a certain amount of jealousy involved with older costumers.   Truth be told, had the media outlets and the Internet been available in the ’80s, we’d have taken advantage of them, too.    I’ve spoken any number of times wistfully of the wish we’d had the kinds of photographers that produce some amazing professional images of cosplayers these days.

On the other hand, there needs to be better introductions to the costuming community that we participate in.  It’s been my observation that younger cosplayers costume/live very much in the “now”.  There’s very little interest in what has come before.     It’s all about what they’re going to be doing next.   I see all sorts of posts about “here’s what I’ll be wearing at X con” (see above about “celebrity”).   Only now are we starting to see a few attempts at gaining a sense of history.  Most of the online articles are earnest, but they frequently get some facts wrong.    And there’s definitely a resentment of some people calling everything in the past “cosplay”.    I blame the media for that, to some extent.   But if that’s all you know, and don’t know what came before, then what are you to conclude?  

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 3:01 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

I hope you can do so. I can’t address lies if I don’t know what lies are being told.

Beyond that, there seems to be a divide between old fogies like me and those who grew up with and still enjoy cosplay. Frankly, I don’t. I attended a cosplay convention once and was rather bored. Consequently, I’m not sure howe much I and costumers like me can contribute to refuting lies.

I do get the general perception that some people do not understand that costume-con isn’t an ICG activity. I get the impression that some people don’t realize that you can enter the master division by checking that box on an entry form; they seem to think the master division is restricted to entrants with certain numbers and types of awards. Maybe it is at the type of cons they attend, but they don’t even read the form. I get the impression that they’ve never read the Fairness Guidelines and that they believe the guidelines are binding on individual masquerade directors. (That’s why I argued, in the early 2000s, in favor of simply repealing the guidelines.) I get the impression that some people think that “we” (whoever “we” are) keep track of who won what at which event. Maybe this is because it’s what they would do if they were “in charge.”

I find all this very frustrating. For the past decade at least, we’ve been unable, it appears to me, to make any progress. If they don’t want to listen, they won’t do so, no matter how much we glitz up our stuff..

Byron

 

On Jun 28, 2016, at 3:17 PM, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Bruce Mai Wrote: “I’m reminded of Yaya Han’s (incorrect) perception of the “strict ICG rules” mentioned in an episode of “Heroes of Cosplay”.   Scoff if you want, but it’s a perception held by many people who have not actually attended a CC.”

Byron Wrote: “What is the nature of the mis-perception? If we don’t know what the incorrect beliefs are, there’s little we can do to counteract them. More specifics, please. ”

There are numerous odd perceptions, so odd in fact that I can’t recall all of them. When I have the time I’ll delve into the old Cosplay.com files and try to find some of the many threads that I,  Maral, Karisu, Danny, (Aurora?) and others have been involved in trying to set the record straight.

Much of the initial damage was done by a cosplayer known as Saeto. (who tried to be in Yaya’s sphere for some time at the beginning of Yaya’s initial climb to notoriety), and possibly imbued Yaya with some of these notions. 

This person has done so much damage to all communities that she actually had an Encyclopedia Dramatica entry written about her.

 

There are a few others, who either misunderstood the guidelines, or “heard stories”, and thus pontificated and expounded on them with no actual personal experience.

Locally the Guidelines are more well known so this seems to be a less of an issue for us, but we still have to work with people who have never heard of them to make them understand the merits. 🙂 That’s just part of being  a good promotional team.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3121 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

 

Wow.   Really?   We hadn’t heard about that last part.   Interesting.   Sorta takes pettiness to a new level

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 6:24 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

I was active on Cosplay.com for a while when I directed the Anime LA masquerade. I tried to be a costuming resource as well as an “ambassador” from our generation and the ICG.

I freely admit I stopped trying so hard there after a particular incident. We had to disqualify and revoke two awards from the ALA contest after the fact for rules violations (one for lying about having a ALA membership, the other for submitting purchased costume for workmanship judging as her own work. Both easily verified.). I’d posted the awards oat cosplay.com, so I also posted notice of the revocations.

One of the revokees turned out to be a cosplay.com moderator. Another moderator deleted all my posts about the revocations. I discovered I had a limit to my patience with that sort of foolish online behavior.

On Tuesday, June 28, 2016, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Addendum: 

This thread is of a later date (2005) and contains far less misinformation than usual, (some due to deleted posts).

Ignore whenever someone uses the phrase, “most anime conventions”. This is almost exclusively means
“the few anime conventions in my area of personal experience”.

This is why I now always try to frame it as, “Anime Cons in my area.” or name the specific cons or geographic area I’m talking about.

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North

Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3122 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

 

This was a good idea that clearly paid off.   The MACS were also pretty successful  in getting a lot of preregs, as I noted in the review.   Much fewer walk-ins than normal.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 11:57 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [runacc] Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

That’s one of the reasons we had a $25 student ticket for CC32. People could show their high school ID and

purchase it.

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North

Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 

 


 

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 09:03:27 -0700
Subject: [runacc] Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

When I tried marketing to the younger folks here in the Phoenix cosplay community, an issue I ran into was “price point”… they couldn’t afford Costume-Con.

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3123 From: ma0902432 Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

I like the ideas of offering one-day memberships (I think most
CC’s have been offering this), and Masquerade tickets for the shows (F
& SF, Historical, and the Fashion Show).
A student membership, for HS or college students is great
too.
Honestly I do believe that  the responsibility for
greeting people/being friendly, starting conversations should be a shared
one.  I actually well remember being a newcomer at CC9, and generally
people would talk to me.  Getting a hall costume award the second day was
the absolute zenith of the con for me, and I kind of felt accepted after
that.  By CC10 in Lincoln, I felt like I had a small but terrific group of
friends to hang with.  If “My First Costume Con” panels had existed, I
would have been ecstatic, I agree with offering this panel both Friday afternoon
and Sat. morning.  And that perhaps it should be different people each
time. 
I’d like to see the “Costumer Retrospectives” make a come back
because I think that is actually a good way to get to know people for the newer
attendees.   
How about at the Friday night party, have a sort of “Opening
Ceremony, and ask all the new attendees to stand so we can applaud them?
Also, perhaps there would be some mechanism for offering a
discounted membership to some percentage of people who seek us out and have
already costumed at a con?  Kind of a “we believe in you”
grant.
Lisa a

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3124 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Example misconception

I suspect this is because of an ongoing difference in the way other masquerades are handled. I thought we were concise and clear about the guidelines being flexible and also that they could be adapted for the needs of each masquerade. Further, that people don’t keep scorecards or kill sheets or any sort of certifying documentation, so yes, honor system.

I would hope that with 12 years gone since the complaint, things would have improved, but I could be wrong.

-b

 

 

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 6:35 PM, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Example misconception:

I actually dislike the ICG guidelines, because there’s only one WorldCon and one CostumeCon per year – very difficult to ever get out of competing in Novice class by those standards. And who can afford WorldCon anyway? ”

————

Addressed long ago in 2004, but an example of someone thinking they can only “rank up”* (not my words), if they attend Costume-Con or Worldcon.

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 

 

 

 


Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3125 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

 

Comments inserted

 

Nora

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 7:35 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

I like the ideas of offering one-day memberships (I think most CC’s have been offering this), and Masquerade tickets for the shows (F & SF, Historical, and the Fashion Show).

A student membership, for HS or college students is great too.

Honestly I do believe that  the responsibility for greeting people/being friendly, starting conversations should be a shared one.  I actually well remember being a newcomer at CC9, and generally people would talk to me.  Getting a hall costume award the second day was the absolute zenith of the con for me, and I kind of felt accepted after that.  By CC10 in Lincoln, I felt like I had a small but terrific group of friends to hang with.  If “My First Costume Con” panels had existed, I would have been ecstatic, I agree with offering this panel both Friday afternoon and Sat. morning.  And that perhaps it should be different people each time. 

We thoroughly enjoy doing these panels – it gives us a chance to pass on our own enthusiasm and share the joy we have in CC. It also allows us to meet a bunch of the newbies all at once so when we see them later we recognize them already. I think that if more veterans showed up at this panel it would increase the welcome factor.

It’s worth repeating as a panel even with different participants as long as the same material is covered each time. Guess there would have to be an outline, and maybe a handout for the first-timers.

I’d like to see the “Costumer Retrospectives” make a come back because I think that is actually a good way to get to know people for the newer attendees.   

How about at the Friday night party, have a sort of “Opening Ceremony, and ask all the new attendees to stand so we can applaud them? 

This is always very nice usually lead by the MC. And I’ve seen it done at the F&SF as well.

Also, perhaps there would be some mechanism for offering a discounted membership to some percentage of people who seek us out and have already costumed at a con?  Kind of a “we believe in you” grant.

Lisa a

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3126 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: Re: Example misconception – the “Guidelines”

 

 

Oh, hell, people are still calling them “rules”.   Sloppy shorthand, but there you go.  I’ve heard longtimers make the same mistake, and they know the difference.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 9:35 PM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: Re: [runacc] Example misconception

I suspect this is because of an ongoing difference in the way other masquerades are handled. I thought we were concise and clear about the guidelines being flexible and also that they could be adapted for the needs of each masquerade. Further, that people don’t keep scorecards or kill sheets or any sort of certifying documentation, so yes, honor system.

I would hope that with 12 years gone since the complaint, things would have improved, but I could be wrong.

-b

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 6:35 PM, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Example misconception:

I actually dislike the ICG guidelines, because there’s only one WorldCon and one CostumeCon per year – very difficult to ever get out of competing in Novice class by those standards. And who can afford WorldCon anyway? ”

————

Addressed long ago in 2004, but an example of someone thinking they can only “rank up”* (not my words), if they attend Costume-Con or Worldcon.

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North

Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  


Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3127 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/28/2016
Subject: “My First Costume-Con” (RE: [runacc] Some ideas for promoting CC)

 

 

It’s a good idea, although when it was done at CC32, fewer people showed up on Saturday because it was in competition with all the other panels going on.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 7:35 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

If “My First Costume Con” panels had existed, I would have been ecstatic, I agree with offering this panel both Friday afternoon and Sat. morning.  And that perhaps it should be different people each time. 

Lisa a

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3128 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/29/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

I remember both those incidents Kevin.

 
I was surprised by the person “Ghosting”. They should have known well better than that. >_>


I remember them bragging about it too on livejournal at one point. It was very awkward. >_>

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 19:26:37 -0500
Subject: RE: [runacc] Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

 

Wow.   Really?   We hadn’t heard about that last part.   Interesting.   Sorta takes pettiness to a new level

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 6:24 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

I was active on Cosplay.com for a while when I directed the Anime LA masquerade. I tried to be a costuming resource as well as an “ambassador” from our generation and the ICG.

I freely admit I stopped trying so hard there after a particular incident. We had to disqualify and revoke two awards from the ALA contest after the fact for rules violations (one for lying about having a ALA membership, the other for submitting purchased costume for workmanship judging as her own work. Both easily verified.). I’d posted the awards oat cosplay.com, so I also posted notice of the revocations.

One of the revokees turned out to be a cosplay.com moderator. Another moderator deleted all my posts about the revocations. I discovered I had a limit to my patience with that sort of foolish online behavior.

On Tuesday, June 28, 2016, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Addendum: 

This thread is of a later date (2005) and contains far less misinformation than usual, (some due to deleted posts).

Ignore whenever someone uses the phrase, “most anime conventions”. This is almost exclusively means
“the few anime conventions in my area of personal experience”.

This is why I now always try to frame it as, “Anime Cons in my area.” or name the specific cons or geographic area I’m talking about.

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North

Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3129 From: Kaijugal . Date: 6/29/2016
Subject: Re: Example misconception

 

Since the originator of that particular complaint was a member of a more recent Costume-Con Comittee, 

I’d say things have improved.^_~ 
 
(Name withheld to protect the innocent).
 
Many of the weirder perceptions have been going by the wayside. I think due in large part by the constant outreach and education of ICG members and friends.

 

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 


To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 22:34:56 -0400
Subject: Re: [runacc] Example misconception

 

 

I suspect this is because of an ongoing difference in the way other masquerades are handled. I thought we were concise and clear about the guidelines being flexible and also that they could be adapted for the needs of each masquerade. Further, that people don’t keep scorecards or kill sheets or any sort of certifying documentation, so yes, honor system.

I would hope that with 12 years gone since the complaint, things would have improved, but I could be wrong.

-b

 

 

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 6:35 PM, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Example misconception:

I actually dislike the ICG guidelines, because there’s only one WorldCon and one CostumeCon per year – very difficult to ever get out of competing in Novice class by those standards. And who can afford WorldCon anyway? ”

————

Addressed long ago in 2004, but an example of someone thinking they can only “rank up”* (not my words), if they attend Costume-Con or Worldcon.

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 

 

 

 


Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3130 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/29/2016
Subject: Re: “My First Costume-Con” (RE: [runacc] Some ideas for promoting C

 

As long as the people who showed up on Saturday were not the same ones there on Friday, you reached some new newbies, so it was a success.

 

Byron

 

 

On Jun 28, 2016, at 11:03 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

It’s a good idea, although when it was done at CC32, fewer people showed up on Saturday because it was in competition with all the other panels going on.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 7:35 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)




If “My First Costume Con” panels had existed, I would have been ecstatic, I agree with offering this panel both Friday afternoon and Sat. morning.  And that perhaps it should be different people each time.  

Lisa a




 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3131 From: Rick Kovalcik Date: 7/4/2016
Subject: costumecon 37 table at Worldcon

FYI, Costume-Con 37 has asked for a fan table at MAC2 (Worldcon) this August.   If CC 35 and CC 36 are not planning for a presence there and would like to send us some flyers / other info, we would be happy to put them out at our table.   Please contact me off list, if you want to take us up on this offer.

-Rick Kovalcik
MCFI President

(MCFI is the 501c3 behind CC37)

+1-508-259-6819 (worldwide cell phone)

 

Group: runacc Message: 3132 From: Kevin Roche Date: 7/7/2016
Subject: Re: Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

 

 

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 9:26 PM, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
I was surprised by the person “Ghosting”. They should have known well better than that. >_>

I remember them bragging about it too on livejournal at one point. It was very awkward. >_>

 

That was actually how we found out about it! If she hadn’t bragged on a public comment thread we would not have known.
The real tragedy was that the reason she didn’t register was because she busy in her room sewing while her friends were at the con.
I actually had a fast radio link to a reg clerk and we could have fixed it in about 5 minutes in the green room, but instead she chose to lie to Zelda when they checked in.

 

Group: runacc Message: 3133 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/7/2016
Subject: Taking back a Worldcon Award (was: Some ideas for promoting CC)

 

 

Hm.    Given how unusual an incident this was, we probably ought to have the entire account of this in the Archives.  Might be something for part of our Oral History project.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 5:07 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Some ideas for promoting CC (long, sorry)

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 9:26 PM, ‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I was surprised by the person “Ghosting”. They should have known well better than that. >_>


I remember them bragging about it too on livejournal at one point. It was very awkward. >_>

That was actually how we found out about it! If she hadn’t bragged on a public comment thread we would not have known.

The real tragedy was that the reason she didn’t register was because she busy in her room sewing while her friends were at the con.
I actually had a fast radio link to a reg clerk and we could have fixed it in about 5 minutes in the green room, but instead she chose to lie to Zelda when they checked in.


Posted by: Kevin Roche <kevin@twistedimage.com>


 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3134 From: Kevin Roche Date: 7/8/2016
Subject: Re: Taking back a Worldcon Award (was: Some ideas for promoting CC)
To clarify — this was Anime Los Angeles, not Worldcon. But still very unusual.

 

 

On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 8:20 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hm.    Given how unusual an incident this was, we probably ought to have the entire account of this in the Archives.  Might be something for part of our Oral History project.

 

Bruce

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3135 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/8/2016
Subject: Re: Taking back a Worldcon Award (was: Some ideas for promoting CC)

 

 

Ah, right.   Thanks for the correction, but still noteworthy.

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 11:09 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Taking back a Worldcon Award (was: Some ideas for promoting CC)

To clarify — this was Anime Los Angeles, not Worldcon. But still very unusual.

On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 8:20 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hm.    Given how unusual an incident this was, we probably ought to have the entire account of this in the Archives.  Might be something for part of our Oral History project.

 

Bruce

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3136 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 7/29/2016
Subject: Madison Info
Has Madison released any info about their membership numbers, budget, room pickup, etc?  It would be great if they could add this to the group or google docs and link it or something when it’s ready.  History has shown the longer the wait to get this to the next CC the more likely it is to be lost.

~Aurora

 

Group: runacc Message: 3137 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 7/30/2016
Subject: Fwd: Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration for

Guys?

If you are going to set up electronic payment options, please also provide alternative means for contact, so that if the form fails, there are other ways to get to you. This complaint came to me because I am still info@. I’m fixing that tonight.

Thanks! Betsy

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: “Carl Coling” <ccolingtmcc@hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 30, 2016 9:08 PM
Subject: Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration form for Costume Con
To: “info@Costume-Con.org” <info@costume-con.org>
Cc:

 

I tried once again to fill out my registration form, and then click the “pay now by paypal or credit card” button.  I got an error message, so I followed the directions to send info the webmaster, but that came back with a mailer-daemon (showing some code
indicating an issue, and that the to address wasn’t active or correct.

 

Will you folks PLEASE come up with some way to send in payments??????? It would be helpful!

 

Carl Coling

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3138 From: Kaijugal . Date: 7/31/2016
Subject: Re: Fwd: Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration

 

Which Costume-Con is the issue?

I’m guessing it’s not CC35 since both the email and snail mail address’ are up on the
registration page, however

just in case I’m asking since I’m sure most of the core CC35 staff is away and up to their necks in Con Bravo this weekend

and I’l be happy to help if it’s CC35.

~Dawn

 

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 


From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: July 30, 2016 10:22 PM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: [runacc] Fwd: Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration form for Costume Con

 

Guys?

If you are going to set up electronic payment options, please also provide alternative means for contact, so that if the form fails, there are other ways to get to you. This complaint came to me because I am still info@. I’m fixing that tonight.

Thanks! Betsy

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: “Carl Coling” <ccolingtmcc@hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 30, 2016 9:08 PM
Subject: Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration form for Costume Con
To: “info@Costume-Con.org” <info@costume-con.org>
Cc:

 

I tried once again to fill out my registration form, and then click the “pay now by paypal or credit card” button.  I got an error message, so I followed the directions to send info the webmaster, but that came back with a mailer-daemon (showing some code
indicating an issue, and that the to address wasn’t active or correct.

 

Will you folks PLEASE come up with some way to send in payments??????? It would be helpful!

 

Carl Coling

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3139 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 7/31/2016
Subject: Re: Fwd: Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration

This is particularly about 2018, but my comment applies to all of them. I strongly recommend asking someone from outside your concom to check your site for usability and test all the forms as well. And the chair should test as well.

Meanwhile, if the  system stripped the email address off the message I sent, let me know.

Betsy

 

 

On Jul 31, 2016 1:55 AM, “‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Which Costume-Con is the issue?

I’m guessing it’s not CC35 since both the email and snail mail address’ are up on the
registration page, however

just in case I’m asking since I’m sure most of the core CC35 staff is away and up to their necks in Con Bravo this weekend

and I’l be happy to help if it’s CC35.

~Dawn

 

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 


From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: July 30, 2016 10:22 PM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: [runacc] Fwd: Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration form for Costume Con

 

Guys?

If you are going to set up electronic payment options, please also provide alternative means for contact, so that if the form fails, there are other ways to get to you. This complaint came to me because I am still info@. I’m fixing that tonight.

Thanks! Betsy

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: “Carl Coling” <ccolingtmcc@hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 30, 2016 9:08 PM
Subject: Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration form for Costume Con
To: “info@Costume-Con.org” <info@costume-con.org>
Cc:

I tried once again to fill out my registration form, and then click the “pay now by paypal or credit card” button.  I got an error message, so I followed the directions to send info the webmaster, but that came back with a mailer-daemon (showing some code
indicating an issue, and that the to address wasn’t active or correct.

 

Will you folks PLEASE come up with some way to send in payments??????? It would be helpful!

 

Carl Coling

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3140 From: Sharon Sbarsky Date: 7/31/2016
Subject: Re: Fwd: Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration
Yahoo include the email of the person that asked the question and info@costume-con.org for the To: address, but neither the subject or message body included a reference to which Costume-Con.

Sharon

 

 

On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 7:06 AM, Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

This is particularly about 2018, but my comment applies to all of them. I strongly recommend asking someone from outside your concom to check your site for usability and test all the forms as well. And the chair should test as well.

Meanwhile, if the  system stripped the email address off the message I sent, let me know.

Betsy

 

On Jul 31, 2016 1:55 AM, “‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Which Costume-Con is the issue?

I’m guessing it’s not CC35 since both the email and snail mail address’ are up on the
registration page, however

just in case I’m asking since I’m sure most of the core CC35 staff is away and up to their necks in Con Bravo this weekend

and I’l be happy to help if it’s CC35.

~Dawn

 

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  

 


From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: July 30, 2016 10:22 PM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: [runacc] Fwd: Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration form for Costume Con

 

Guys?

If you are going to set up electronic payment options, please also provide alternative means for contact, so that if the form fails, there are other ways to get to you. This complaint came to me because I am still info@. I’m fixing that tonight.

Thanks! Betsy

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: “Carl Coling” <ccolingtmcc@hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 30, 2016 9:08 PM
Subject: Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration form for Costume Con
To: “info@Costume-Con.org” <info@costume-con.org>
Cc:

I tried once again to fill out my registration form, and then click the “pay now by paypal or credit card” button.  I got an error message, so I followed the directions to send info the webmaster, but that came back with a mailer-daemon (showing some code
indicating an issue, and that the to address wasn’t active or correct.

 

Will you folks PLEASE come up with some way to send in payments??????? It would be helpful!

 

Carl Coling

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3141 From: Sharon Sbarsky Date: 7/31/2016
Subject: Re: costumecon 37 table at Worldcon
Just a small reminder that we are willing to include CC35 & CC36 flyers on our table in Kansas City.

Please let us know.

Sharon

 

 

On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 1:54 PM, Rick Kovalcik kovalcik@alum.mit.edu [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

FYI, Costume-Con 37 has asked for a fan table at MAC2 (Worldcon) this August.   If CC 35 and CC 36 are not planning for a presence there and would like to send us some flyers / other info, we would be happy to put them out at our table.   Please contact me off list, if you want to take us up on this offer.

-Rick Kovalcik
MCFI President

(MCFI is the 501c3 behind CC37)

+1-508-259-6819 (worldwide cell phone)

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3142 From: Byron Connell Date: 7/31/2016
Subject: Re: Fwd: Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration

 

I hope the 36 and 37 concoms will check the websites to make sure that multiple forms of contact (i.e., snail mail, email, and so forth) are provided. If you’re accepting payment by other than electronic means, there needs to be an instruction on how to make out a check and where to send it.

 

Byron

 

 

On Jul 31, 2016, at 10:29 AM, Sharon Sbarsky sbarsky@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Yahoo include the email of the person that asked the question and info@costume-con.org for the To: address, but neither the subject or message body included a reference to which Costume-Con.

Sharon

 

On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 7:06 AM, Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

This is particularly about 2018, but my comment applies to all of them. I strongly recommend asking someone from outside your concom to check your site for usability and test all the forms as well. And the chair should test as well.

Meanwhile, if the  system stripped the email address off the message I sent, let me know.

Betsy 

 

On Jul 31, 2016 1:55 AM, “‘Kaijugal .’ kaijugal@hotmail.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



Which Costume-Con is the issue?

I’m guessing it’s not CC35 since both the email and snail mail address’ are up on the registration page, however

just in case I’m asking since I’m sure most of the core CC35 staff is away and up to their necks in Con Bravo this weekend

and I’l be happy to help if it’s CC35.

~Dawn

Dawn McKechnie –  Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North
Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!
www.animenorth.com  




From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: July 30, 2016 10:22 PM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: [runacc] Fwd: Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration form for Costume Con

 

Guys?

If you are going to set up electronic payment options, please also provide alternative means for contact, so that if the form fails, there are other ways to get to you. This complaint came to me because I am still info@. I’m fixing that tonight.

Thanks! Betsy 

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: “Carl Coling” <ccolingtmcc@hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 30, 2016 9:08 PM
Subject: Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration form for Costume Con
To: “info@Costume-Con.org” <info@costume-con.org>
Cc: 

I tried once again to fill out my registration form, and then click the “pay now by paypal or credit card” button.  I got an error message, so I followed the directions to send info the webmaster, but that came back with a mailer-daemon (showing some code indicating an issue, and that the to address wasn’t active or correct.

Will you folks PLEASE come up with some way to send in payments??????? It would be helpful!

Carl Coling



 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3143 From: Kaijugal . Date: 7/31/2016
Subject: Re: Fwd: Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration
Ah. Ok I see.

We’re using Ticketbud which is an external service. I just tested it to be sure anyhow. 🙂

Thanks for looking out for us Betsy.

~Dawn [😊]

Dawn McKechnie – Director – Cosplay Events – Anime North

Anime North – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Convention!

www.animenorth.com<http://www.animenorth.com/>

 

________________________________

From: Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com

Subject:Unable to pay for membership after filling out registration form for Costume Con

 

 

This is particularly about 2018, but my comment applies to all of them. I strongly recommend asking someone from outside your concom to check your site for usability and test all the forms as well. And the chair should test as well.

 

________________________________

 

 

 

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 3144 From: beckieboo817 Date: 8/22/2016
Subject: Costume Con 36

Just so everyone knows, we’ve been working on the pay submission page and other things on the website. If you have any ideas to help with the website set up (which we will be changing this week) let me know.

 

On another note, is there anyone who would be willing to run the doll exhibit/contest at Costume Con 36?

 

Thanks in advance for your assistance.

 

Group: runacc Message: 3145 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 9/13/2016
Subject: Costume-ConNections just got a massive overhaul!

www.costume-con.org has joined the 21st Century, with a major site redesign and migration to WordPress.

I haven’t touched the Gallery, other than to redirect folks to the main page instead of the Genesis page on the main album, but I’ve messed with darn near everything else.

If you notice anything’s gone missing, tell me about it ASAP. I still have local copies of everything, much of which hasn’t been touched since 2008.

If you were linked to anything with a .shtml extension, revise your site links NOW. There should theoretically be an error page/search function automatically available, but that’s theory only.

Out of curiosity: Is anyone using the old Word templates in the Procedures section? If not, I’m thinking they should go. Most everyone knows how to copy and paste these days, and maintaining two versions of the same document means more chance of error long-term.

Thanks!
Onward.

Betsy

Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

Group: runacc Message: 3146 From: Byron Connell Date: 9/13/2016
Subject: Re: Costume-ConNections just got a massive overhaul!

 

It looks excellent!  Thank you.

 

Byron
Ps. I’ve never used the Word templates.
B.

 

 

On Sep 13, 2016, at 12:54 PM, Betsy Marks Delaney aramintamd@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

www.costume-con.org has joined the 21st Century, with a major site redesign and migration to WordPress.

I haven’t touched the Gallery, other than to redirect folks to the main page instead of the Genesis page on the main album, but I’ve messed with darn near everything else.

If you notice anything’s gone missing, tell me about it ASAP. I still have local copies of everything, much of which hasn’t been touched since 2008.

If you were linked to anything with a .shtml extension, revise your site links NOW. There should theoretically be an error page/search function automatically available, but that’s theory only.

Out of curiosity: Is anyone using the old Word templates in the Procedures section? If not, I’m thinking they should go. Most everyone knows how to copy and paste these days, and maintaining two versions of the same document means more chance of error long-term.
Thanks!
Onward.

Betsy

 

Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3147 From: casamai Date: 11/27/2016
Subject: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite

 

 

 

So.  Now that I have time to put some thoughts
together again, I want to get back to a previous discussion about Costume-Con
traditions.

 

 

To set the
stage for discussion, it’s been observed that there are fewer people from the
con’s history who are willing to run a con anymore.   They’ve done their time, hence the “Never
Again Club” (a tradition in itself ).   Fortunatley, there are new groups who are
willing to host a CC, bringing new ideas with them. 

 

 

 

 

 

In the past,
CCs were hosted by committee members who had already attended one or more
cons.   But due to economic realities,
there are more committees where many have not attended ANY CCs before their
own.  Working a Costume-Con is not the
same experience as attending one.    This can lead to the mistaken assumption that
if one has worked or organized any other fan-run convention, the principles are
the same.   This is true only up to a
point.  Costume-Con was modeled on
general SF cons, but it has its own unique community and thus its own
culture.   That community has certain
expectations  that are not defined by the
CC Constitution.

 

 

It’s assumed
that the future committees want to help continue those traditions, but it’s
difficult to do so when they’ve not attended and there’s no documentation
existing to help them.  

 

 

So let’s
revisit the discussion identifying traditions, the pros and cons and answer any
questions that might crop up along the way.

 

 

 

 

 

The Con
Suite

 

 

Believe it
or not, the Con Suite is NOT mandated by the Constitution.  But it is a longstanding tradition to have a
place to relax and where upcoming committees can host parties after the
masquerades.  Also, it is NOT required
that the Con Suite to provide so much food that attendees don’t need to go
somewhere to find a meal.   That can get
very expensive, and it makes it difficult to predict how much to procure,
possibly leading to waste.   At a
minimum, all that needs to be provided are light snacks, a variety of beverages
and sufficient seating.   There is no
requirement that the Con Suite make special accommodations for dietary
needs.  It’s a courtesy, but not
mandatory.

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3148 From: casamai Date: 11/28/2016
Subject: Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite

I should also add that the Con Suite has traditionally NOT been open during the major vents.   This is both to encourage people to attend the shows but more importantly, to ensure that there is not a shortage of refreshments by the time the audience AND participants have left a masquerade.

 

I also neglected to mention that traditionally, the next year’s committee has hosted the Suite on Saturday night, while the committee 2 years hence have hosted on Sunday night.

 

One more recent development has been the committees seeking out other conventions or Guild chapters to host the Suite at other times.  This has been nice, but not necessary.   The SLCG has often been sponsoring  Sunday mornings in the Suite.

 

Bruce

 

Group: runacc Message: 3149 From: Sharon Sbarsky Date: 11/28/2016
Subject: Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite
So I have some questions:

Does NOT being open during the major events tradition mean the first run, or including the break for the judges and the awards?

And in either case, is the opening expected to be IMMEDIATELY or give the Con Suite staff and/or Sponsor staff a chance to setup? If immediate, that means the staff may need to miss the end of the show or awards…

In CC33, DC17 was sponsoring the Con Suite on Saturday night, but since Warren and I were both in the show, but NIC, we started setting up after we were on stage and were ready by the time the awards ended (and a bit before.)

I had heard the tradition was for the CC THREE years hence to sponsor Sunday night after the selection was announced during the Historical. In fact at CC34, Aurora and i started taking memberships during the Judges’ break and Photo Op outside the Ballroom (she had a young baby that might limit how long she could stay up.) I had assumed that there were some spots that made sense (like selling memberships for the just selected CC) but that each future CC, guild chapters, other cons or bids may choose which slot works best for them (giving priority to future CCs.)

We n(CC37) were also thinking of allocating some of the required F&B to have hotel snack tables (cookies, cheese & crackers, clean fruit, etc.) in the Ballroom foyer during the Judges’ break/Photo Op. That may help to keep people around and delay the need to rush to the Con Suite. Thoughts?

Sharon

 

 

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 1:19 PM, casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

I should also add that the Con Suite has traditionally NOT been open during the major vents.   This is both to encourage people to attend the shows but more importantly, to ensure that there is not a shortage of refreshments by the time the audience AND participants have left a masquerade.

 

I also neglected to mention that traditionally, the next year’s committee has hosted the Suite on Saturday night, while the committee 2 years hence have hosted on Sunday night.

 

One more recent development has been the committees seeking out other conventions or Guild chapters to host the Suite at other times.  This has been nice, but not necessary.   The SLCG has often been sponsoring  Sunday mornings in the Suite.

 

Bruce

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3150 From: Byron Connell Date: 11/28/2016
Subject: Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite

 

My comments are below.

 

Byron

 

 

On Nov 28, 2016, at 1:39 PM, Sharon Sbarsky sbarsky@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
So I have some questions:

Does NOT being open during the major events tradition mean the first run, or including the break for the judges and the awards?

I think it generally has meant that the con suite does not open until after the awards have been made. However, there probably have been exceptions.

And in either case, is the opening expected to be IMMEDIATELY or give the Con Suite staff and/or Sponsor staff a chance to setup? If immediate, that means the staff may need to miss the end of the show or awards..

Personally, I think that’s the decision of the individual CC concom. I expect that many fen would like to have access to the con suite as early as possible once the awards have been made. Therefore, the group sponsoring the suite probably needs some members to get set up for a prompt opening.

.

In CC33, DC17 was sponsoring the Con Suite on Saturday night, but since Warren and I were both in the show, but NIC, we started setting up after we were on stage and were ready by the time the awards ended (and a bit before.)

I had heard the tradition was for the CC THREE years hence to sponsor Sunday night after the selection was announced during the Historical. In fact at CC34, Aurora and i started taking memberships during the Judges’ break and Photo Op outside the Ballroom (she had a young baby that might limit how long she could stay up.) I had assumed that there were some spots that made sense (like selling memberships for the just selected CC) but that each future CC, guild chapters, other cons or bids may choose which slot works best for them (giving priority to future CCs.)

I agree that it’s three years. In my experience, it’s the newly seated CC that sponsors the suite after it’s announced at the Historical, where it has the opportunity to solicit memberships.

We n(CC37) were also thinking of allocating some of the required F&B to have hotel snack tables (cookies, cheese & crackers, clean fruit, etc.) in the Ballroom foyer during the Judges’ break/Photo Op. That may help to keep people around and delay the need to rush to the Con Suite. Thoughts?

I love it! The only improvement would be a cash bar.

 

Sharon

 

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 1:19 PM, casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

I should also add that the Con Suite has traditionally NOT been open during the major vents.   This is both to encourage people to attend the shows but more importantly, to ensure that there is not a shortage of refreshments by the time the audience AND participants have left a masquerade.

I also neglected to mention that traditionally, the next year’s committee has hosted the Suite on Saturday night, while the committee 2 years hence have hosted on Sunday night.

One more recent development has been the committees seeking out other conventions or Guild chapters to host the Suite at other times.  This has been nice, but not necessary.   The SLCG has often been sponsoring  Sunday mornings in the Suite.

I believe ICG chapters picked up the idea of sponsoring the con suite even when they were not promoting a CC fairly early in our history, Subsequently, some SF cons and clubs picked up the idea. I’m not sure whether CC concoms “suggested” it to them. I was surprised the first time Lunacon (an east-coast SF con) signed on; however, there was a lot of overlap at the time in terms of Pups also being members of the Lunarians (Lunacon’s sponsoring club).

Bruce

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3151 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 11/29/2016
Subject: Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite

 

 

I stand corrected.   You’re right about Sunday night.   I’d forgotten about that.

 

The decision of what time to be open is sort of up to the committee, I suppose.  I seem to recall in the past that a number of staffers have run up sometime during the awards to get ready.

 

Putting snacks in the ballroom foyer is an interesting idea.   Might draw away from the goings-on during deliberation, but it could be a good calculated risk.   I almost want to say this was done once before (CC21?), but I could be wrong.   Could be worth the calculated risk, though.  Of course, that would be an additional cost to the con you just have to factor in to expenses.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 12:40 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite

So I have some questions:

Does NOT being open during the major events tradition mean the first run, or including the break for the judges and the awards?

And in either case, is the opening expected to be IMMEDIATELY or give the Con Suite staff and/or Sponsor staff a chance to setup? If immediate, that means the staff may need to miss the end of the show or awards…

In CC33, DC17 was sponsoring the Con Suite on Saturday night, but since Warren and I were both in the show, but NIC, we started setting up after we were on stage and were ready by the time the awards ended (and a bit before.)

I had heard the tradition was for the CC THREE years hence to sponsor Sunday night after the selection was announced during the Historical. In fact at CC34, Aurora and i started taking memberships during the Judges’ break and Photo Op outside the Ballroom (she had a young baby that might limit how long she could stay up.) I had assumed that there were some spots that made sense (like selling memberships for the just selected CC) but that each future CC, guild chapters, other cons or bids may choose which slot works best for them (giving priority to future CCs.)

We n(CC37) were also thinking of allocating some of the required F&B to have hotel snack tables (cookies, cheese & crackers, clean fruit, etc.) in the Ballroom foyer during the Judges’ break/Photo Op. That may help to keep people around and delay the need to rush to the Con Suite. Thoughts?

Sharon

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 1:19 PM, casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I should also add that the Con Suite has traditionally NOT been open during the major vents.   This is both to encourage people to attend the shows but more importantly, to ensure that there is not a shortage of refreshments by the time the audience AND participants have left a masquerade.

I also neglected to mention that traditionally, the next year’s committee has hosted the Suite on Saturday night, while the committee 2 years hence have hosted on Sunday night.

One more recent development has been the committees seeking out other conventions or Guild chapters to host the Suite at other times.  This has been nice, but not necessary.   The SLCG has often been sponsoring  Sunday mornings in the Suite.

Bruce

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3152 From: Betsy Marks Delaney Date: 11/29/2016
Subject: Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite

I seem to recall CC14 offered snacks during deliberations. I was one of the snack carriers, IIRC.

 

 

On Nov 29, 2016 8:02 AM, “‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I stand corrected.   You’re right about Sunday night.   I’d forgotten about that.

 

The decision of what time to be open is sort of up to the committee, I suppose.  I seem to recall in the past that a number of staffers have run up sometime during the awards to get ready.

 

Putting snacks in the ballroom foyer is an interesting idea.   Might draw away from the goings-on during deliberation, but it could be a good calculated risk.   I almost want to say this was done once before (CC21?), but I could be wrong.   Could be worth the calculated risk, though.  Of course, that would be an additional cost to the con you just have to factor in to expenses.

 

Bruce

 

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com ]
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 12:40 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite

 

So I have some questions:

Does NOT being open during the major events tradition mean the first run, or including the break for the judges and the awards?

And in either case, is the opening expected to be IMMEDIATELY or give the Con Suite staff and/or Sponsor staff a chance to setup? If immediate, that means the staff may need to miss the end of the show or awards…

In CC33, DC17 was sponsoring the Con Suite on Saturday night, but since Warren and I were both in the show, but NIC, we started setting up after we were on stage and were ready by the time the awards ended (and a bit before.)

I had heard the tradition was for the CC THREE years hence to sponsor Sunday night after the selection was announced during the Historical. In fact at CC34, Aurora and i started taking memberships during the Judges’ break and Photo Op outside the Ballroom (she had a young baby that might limit how long she could stay up.) I had assumed that there were some spots that made sense (like selling memberships for the just selected CC) but that each future CC, guild chapters, other cons or bids may choose which slot works best for them (giving priority to future CCs.)

We n(CC37) were also thinking of allocating some of the required F&B to have hotel snack tables (cookies, cheese & crackers, clean fruit, etc.) in the Ballroom foyer during the Judges’ break/Photo Op. That may help to keep people around and delay the need to rush to the Con Suite. Thoughts?

 

Sharon

 

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 1:19 PM, casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I should also add that the Con Suite has traditionally NOT been open during the major vents.   This is both to encourage people to attend the shows but more importantly, to ensure that there is not a shortage of refreshments by the time the audience AND participants have left a masquerade.

 

I also neglected to mention that traditionally, the next year’s committee has hosted the Suite on Saturday night, while the committee 2 years hence have hosted on Sunday night.

 

One more recent development has been the committees seeking out other conventions or Guild chapters to host the Suite at other times.  This has been nice, but not necessary.   The SLCG has often been sponsoring  Sunday mornings in the Suite.

 

Bruce

 

 

 

 

 

Group: runacc Message: 3153 From: ma0902432 Date: 11/29/2016
Subject: Re: Traditions and Expectations: The Con Suite
Hi Nora, so glad you are running this “series” ofnotes.

Just wanted to pipe in that I like the *new* CC tradition of having
ribbons and “CC 101” panels for first time attendees. Wanted to suggest
something that’s been done at my PA conferences for a while now: at one
of the talks where pretty much the entire conference attends, they have
people stand up who are new to the profession, and we all applaud. Later
they wil have people stand up in increments, i.e. 5 years, 10 years, etc.
That’s also kind of cool, where you get to know who are the “elders” of
hte profession. In our case, perhaps we could have something at the
Friday night Social where attendees could stand or raise hands if it’s
their first CC. I love talking to new attendees and finding out how they
found us!

Lisa a

On 27 Nov 2016 17:56:17 -0800 “casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]”
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

So. Now that I have time to put some thoughts together again, I want to
get back to a previous discussion about Costume-Con traditions.

To set the stage for discussion, it�s been observed that there are fewer
people from the con�s history who are willing to run a con anymore.
They�ve done their time, hence the �Never Again Club� (a tradition in
itself ). Fortunatley, there are new groups who are willing to host a
CC, bringing new ideas with them.

In the past, CCs were hosted by committee members who had already
attended one or more cons. But due to economic realities, there are
more committees where many have not attended ANY CCs before their own.
Working a Costume-Con is not the same experience as attending one.
This can lead to the mistaken assumption that if one has worked or
organized any other fan-run convention, the principles are the same.
This is true only up to a point. Costume-Con was modeled on general SF
cons, but it has its own unique community and thus its own culture.
That community has certain expectations that are not defined by the CC
Constitution.
It�s assumed that the future committees want to help continue those
traditions, but it�s difficult to do so when they�ve not attended and
there�s no documentation existing to help them.
So let�s revisit the discussion identifying traditions, the pros and cons
and answer any questions that might crop up along the way.

The Con Suite
Believe it or not, the Con Suite is NOT mandated by the Constitution.
But it is a longstanding tradition to have a place to relax and where
upcoming committees can host parties after the masquerades. Also, it is
NOT required that the Con Suite to provide so much food that attendees
don�t need to go somewhere to find a meal. That can get very expensive,
and it makes it difficult to predict how much to procure, possibly
leading to waste. At a minimum, all that needs to be provided are light
snacks, a variety of beverages and sufficient seating. There is no
requirement that the Con Suite make special accommodations for dietary
needs. It�s a courtesy, but not mandatory.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

 

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