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Panel
programming took advantage of local and new panelists, and there were very few
dropouts.  Our new member, for whom this
was their first CC,  enjoyed many of the
panels, and how they were staggered a bit time-wise, rather than all of them
being directly opposite each other each hour.
They also like how it gave people an opportunity to take a break between
panels – eat, use the restroom, etc.  

It’s always
a good sign that there seemed enough to do.
There were 4 tracks of panel programming at the con, and this seemed to
be the right number for this-sized CC.
All panels we either participated in, or were an audience member of,  had good attendance.  It was suggested that perhaps some panels,
the most likely popular ones, should be repeated sometime during the
weekend.  That would give an opportunity
to catch one that might have conflicted with something else people had wanted
to see.   Another idea thrown out there
was to create a track just for repeats.
Maybe Friday panels on Saturday,
Saturday panels on Sunday?  This would
require polling panelists to see if they’d be willing to do the panel more than
once.   Speaking of popular panels, we
heard many people enjoyed the Tambour embroidery panel.

Note to
future Programming Directors:   Panels
that only tangentially relate to costuming can still be a good attendance draw,
like the “Thinking of Drinking” panel which was mainly about the history of
cocktails.     Another example: at CC16
we had a panel about cats and how they “help” their costuming owners.   So, in other words, try something with a lot
of crossover interest common to many people.
Other possible topics – favorite books for inspiration, processes/exercises
for unlocking creativity, and collectable vintage accessories.  

Encourage panelists
to have handouts or cards with websites of interest.  Another might be lists of Pinterest
boards.  At minimum, have the panelists
provide business cards with their contact info for questions.   You could even have them produced ahead of
time and Registration can put them into the swag bag.   When the attendee gets home and cleans it
out, there’s that panelist’s card, in case they lose it.   The only problem might be privacy concerns.  The other alternative might be to have a list
or resources from panels published and put in the swag bag. 

That’s ok, we’re accustom to it. XD

Being awesome in The Great White North anyway. Love, Canada. 💜

Dawn McKechnie – President – Fibre Fantasy Artists of CanadaVisit Anime North! – Canada’s Premiere Fan-Run Anime Conventionwww.animenorth.com

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com

Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2016 07:36:23 -0700

Subject: [runacc] Budgets

I have my people who are helping me to run CC36 requesting Actual Budgets for previous cons. The only one I have is for CC30 thanks to Elaine Mami and Marg Grady. But they say that’s too old (even though it’s only 4 years old). CC31 lost theirs on a hard drive crash. Same for CC32 and CC33 lost theirs with a Windows 10 install. My question is, can we have a central area where we put this stuff so that future cons have references? I mean, it would be nice to see the trends of various cons of membership buying, how much they charged for their dealer’s tables/booths, and just basic expenditures. I have 31’s numbers for when he sold what. I have his room night numbers (but again they say that’s too old). Oh and forget Toronto because that’s Canada. (their words, not mine)

I remember there was some talk of moving this off Yahoo and in to another format. What info I have gathered is on my Google Drive in folders and am willing to share but it would be nice to have more info. Because the more info you have, the better you can make your con and give your attendees a better experience.

So, if anyone has actual budgets for previous costume cons, please let me know.

The people that are requesting this kind of info have run Westercons, Worldcons, World Fantasy Cons so they’re different from a Costume Con but it is still the same kind of info which should make the con a better experience.

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When I was working on CC31, the only budget information I had to work
from was CC25 and CC15. The best budgeting information I received came
from my co-chair who runs another local convention.

Michael

On 2016-06-03 07:36, beckieboo817@yahoo.com [runacc] wrote:
> I have my people who are helping me to run CC36 requesting Actual
> Budgets for previous cons. The only one I have is for CC30 thanks to
> Elaine Mami and Marg Grady. But they say that’s too old (even though
> it’s only 4 years old). CC31 lost theirs on a hard drive crash. Same
> for CC32 and CC33 lost theirs with a Windows 10 install. My question
> is, can we have a central area where we put this stuff so that future
> cons have references? I mean, it would be nice to see the trends of
> various cons of membership buying, how much they charged for their
> dealer’s tables/booths, and just basic expenditures. I have 31’s
> numbers for when he sold what. I have his room night numbers (but
> again they say that’s too old). Oh and forget Toronto because that’s
> Canada. (their words, not mine)
>
> I remember there was some talk of moving this off Yahoo and in to
> another format. What info I have gathered is on my Google Drive in
> folders and am willing to share but it would be nice to have more
> info. Because the more info you have, the better you can make your con
> and give your attendees a better experience.
>
> So, if anyone has actual budgets for previous costume cons, please let
> me know.
>
> The people that are requesting this kind of info have run Westercons,
> Worldcons, World Fantasy Cons so they’re different from a Costume Con
> but it is still the same kind of info which should make the con a
> better experience.

A
continuing  complaint from year to year
is the way the catered food service is handled.   The food goes out, people use it as their
dinner, and by the time the Single Pattern Contest entrants are off the stage,
the food is mostly gone (especially by after the Photo Run – more on that
later).   This is hardly fair to them and
should be taken into account in the future.
Contractually, food could not be served in the Green Room, but SOMEthing
should have been done for them.    One suggestion was to put only half of the food
out before the show, then put the remaining lot out after the show.  There were a few leftovers after the show,
but then the hotel staff took them away shortly thereafter.

Stepping out
as the SP Director for a moment, I (Bruce) was satisfied with how things went (in
comparison to my running the FFS back at CC30), having the 4^th
largest number of contestants in the history of the show .   There were a lot of first timers, I was
happy to see.   The Fairy pattern was very popular, making up
the vast majority of entries.   We had a
couple people take the Single Concept Challenge, but for whatever reasons, a
few others wound up being entered in the Folio and the FFS instead. 

 I underestimated both the number of
participants and the quality of the entries.
I regret not asking for more award ribbons.  My judges did a great job, although there are
things I could have done better.   

From judge
Dave Kanoy:

“Please provide the judges with
adequate materials to judge.  We didn’t have pens and only had a few index
cards on which to make notes.  I had a mechanical pencil and we scrambled
for pens.  Andrea’s kept running out of ink.  The other two judges
made notes for multiple entries on single index cards, so they were happy with
one or two each.  I really need a separate item (index card, form, piece
of paper) for each entrant.  Pulling double duty as judge and
photographer, I was having to keep track of titles, names, entry numbers and
photo numbers.  I should have handed my phone to Andrea’s sister, who was
acting as our clerk.  She could have taken photos as well as I could.”

My fault.   I should have arranged for a
“poloroid” of the entrants, given how many there were.   I was glad Dave took the initiative do to it
with a camera/phone he had.   

Kevin Roche (another of my judges) suggested that some future CC  SPS during the Social could be handled like a
fashion show where the exhibitors walk among the tables (it was caberet-style
seating at CC34).    This seems
problematic, because it relies on the entrants to make sure everyone at their
tables sees their costume.   But if
someone wants to make a “new mistake”, well, have at it.

Suggestions
for future SP Directors:   Maybe a “slush
fund” of floater ribbons needs to be on hand in case the judges want to expand
past a set number of awards.  I’m hoping
that the idea of the Single Concept Challenge will be used again – there’s a
lot of potential for all sorts of concepts.

Comments
from others:

“There
is something to be said (at least from a con’s perspective) to limiting the
info on ribbons to the name of the con and the word, “award.” That minimizes
the con’s problem of running out of ribbons for the specific event, with the
award certificate identifying the nature of the award and the event in which ii
was won. That can work very well for a con that takes place every year at the
same time and place……. It isn’t as effective for a con that moves, as a CC or a
Worldcon does.”

“I’ve often wondered why the single
pattern contest doesn’t use the skill division system.” 

I was handling the show like the FFS – perhaps this
needs to be reviewed and considered.

 Again, from Dave:

“ I don’t feel like we did an
adequate job of judging.  Because we had so few prizes to give out, once
we decided on a Best in Show and the other awards that were prescribed for us,
that left us with a lot of entries that I felt deserved an award.  Because
we had nothing to give, we stepped out of the box a little and gave essentially
a judges choice award to three more entries (each of us chose one entry), which
we called an honorable mention or special mention.  There were still more
that might have won something if we actually had to make some hard
choices.  These people get an award and these don’t.

Actual judges photos printed out
would serve us a lot better than pictures on my phone.  When
discussing  awards, it’s nice to be able to lay the photos out in front of
all of us.  As it was, I could dig through my pictures to pull up
individual entries as we needed to see them, but I could only do that for
entries we were actually talking about.  I have no way to display them all
in a viewable size where a judge could glance at one, recall something and put
that costume into the conversation.

Should also point out some things
that went well.  There seemed to be plenty of space, at least for
us.  Can’t speak for the entrants.  I know I’ve always griped about
the tiny size of CC green rooms, but this one seemed plenty big enough for this
contest at least.” 

Mostly
cribbing from Karen’s comments here:  She
would have liked to have had more entries.
Six people
did not properly notify her they would not be in the show.   There is a need to stress that contestants
should let the Director know well ahead of time if they will not get their
designs made.   For example, one of the
designers who reserved one of their own exclusively backed out, but didn’t
inform Karen.    Someone else could have
done it.   And a maker who did not want
to repeat a design lost their opportunity because the two people who were going
to do the same one backed out.

As usual,
there seemed to be fewer people in the audience for the Folio show.  Do people sleep in on Sunday morning?   There’s not much that can be done to
encourage more people to come to the show, despite no programming opposite
it.  Overall, though, Karen was pleased
with what she had and it ran smoothly.

Note to FFS
directors about run orders:  Put
an experienced person at the beginning and end and then sprinkle the other experienced
people among the first-timers.

We have mixed
feelings about starting the masq an hour earlier than usual – while it makes it
harder to get food and get down to the GR on time, it was sort of nice getting
out of the show earlier so we could go to the con suite and relax.  Since the show started at 7:00 pm, the  Green Room opened at 5:00.   We
suspect that this will probably not set a precedent.

In
comparison to past CCs, this was a sizeable masquerade.   There
were 43 entries: 2 Young Fans,  13
Novices, 8 Journeymen and 20 Masters.
Quality was good overall – few, if any
clunkers.   There were a few tech
audio glitches, but nothing heinous.
Steve Swope, as MC, got better and confident as the evening wore
on.   From the point of view of the
casual observer, the masq went reasonably smoothly.

We don’t
know all the details, but there was supposedly some problems  getting a Presentation/Front Stage judge for
the masq.   And there was quite a bit of discussion over
the system used for judging   We’ll
return to this subject later, as the outcome of the award distribution was cause
for controversy.   And what is a CC
without some controversy?

The Historical
masq went well.   It was a good mix of
periods.   And Master heavy again.  

Workmanship
Judging ran slow – according to some people, they judges took too long with some
entrants, and some entrants took too long talking to the judges – the usual
complaints.   As a result, scheduled
times slowly started getting pushed back further and further until they were
running an hour behind.   Kudos, though,
to the door manager who allowed some people to go ahead of others (with those
parties’ permission) when they were due for a panel.    It was not evident that the MD was in and
out of the room, checking on the judges, checking on the schedule, etc.  This could have kept people better corralled.   Judging wrapped up so late (probably due to
the 17 member entry that went last) that the masquerade was delayed by 20
minutes.  It seemed like no one knew
where they went (they ran up to their room to change – not sure if they got to eat
or not).

Good job by
the first time MC, Vicky.    Our new first-timer
member appreciated the announcement of what time period the entrant was
portraying, and not just the title.   There
appeared to have beeen plenty of awards, plenty of recognition given, so no
complaints about judging in this show.

Award
announcements were…… odd for both the SF and Historical.   We’re not sure if it was due to the
inexperience of the MD (who made the award announcements, not the MC)  but she announced the entrants names but not
the title of their presentation, nor the Skill Division they were in.  We weren’t the only ones who noticed this
discrepancy – others in the audience asked about this seeming oversight as
well.    In the SF masq, the titles were announced but
not the costumer.    Both ways make it more difficult to associate
a face with a presentation.  It’s
important to have a historical record of who did what.    People are used to the awards being announced
by class.   This is one of the CC traditions
that should be maintained, in our opinion.

The
first  observation was about the Workmanship
judges. They took longer with the first several contestants, as much as 10-15
minutes, then flipped open a hand fan to discuss and make decisions behind for
the next 10 minutes.   After that, they’d
type on the tablets they were provided for entering their scores.   As the show got closer they were clearly feeling
pressure, allowing less and less time for following contestants, until they
were asking no questions at all.  Judging
continued during the show, not finishing until sometime shortly after the
masquerade. There were at least 3 entries needing to be interviewed.

Now about
the overall judging system:  there were 3
Workmanship judges, but only 2 Presentation judges.   Rather than averaging the two sets
independently, all 5 judges’ scores
were averaged together.  So, the awards
were weighted by 3/5^th towards Workmanship.  In analysis, we understood what the intent of the MD was – to ensure that skits and “dance-offs” do not get precedence over the quality of the costume.   (Given the two Presentations judges, this was never really a danger – they knew better to be swayed by that.)   We just don’t agree with the methods used for award decisions. 

There is a
drawback  to this system when used at the
International level of competition.  Scoring
by judges can often be inconsistent – they may score higher at the beginning of
a masquerade, but give lower scores as the masquerade proceeds.  Or even vice versa.   The system is not as flexible to allow for
going back and reexamining their choices and perhaps make changes.  

The more
commonly used method is judges may make some score, but they also review their
notes and discuss the pros and cons of the individual entries.   They also have the “poloroids” of the
costumes to refresh their memories.
All of these factors are in the mix.
From there, they decide the Best In Show winner first, followed by the
Best In Classes,  and the “floaters”.

There were
21 “Judges Choice/Honorable Mentions” and 6 “Major Awards” (Best of Class, Workmanship,
Performance and Best in Show).  The
awards were announced with little distinction between Workmanship and
Presentation awards.  This eschewed the
usual tradition of  announcements by
class.   All this said, it seemed
everyone who received an award deserved one.

“Can’t say I am a fan of combining
Workmanship and Stage Presentation judging.  Often what makes a great
costume from workmanship standpoint can be completely lost when seen from a
stage distance.  Averaging those things together could drag a costume that
shows great from the stage down into the middle where it gets no award.  ……
Workmanship has always been an optional, though highly encouraged, part of the
masquerade.  So, if you didn’t go up for Workmanship judging, did you just
knock yourself out of any possibility of an award because the ( judges) scores
would be divided by 5 or was it a true average?  Didn’t like seeing the Workmanship
judges conspiring behind a fan after seeing each entry.  The judges should
be recording their own honest assessments of each costume and then reconciling
those opinions later.  During conspiration, the first judge to speak can
unfairly influence the other two judges.  Not a fan of numerical scoring
of entries, which is pretty much required if you’re going to average the
scores.  Costume quality can’t be empirically measured so that you can say
this one is one inch better than that one.  The other problem with
numerical scoring, is if you are considering subcategories of costume
quality.  Is fit equivalent to flow?  Is one greater than the other
and how much?  This argument could take place for any number of aspects of
costume construction.  If a costume is a media recreation, how do you rate
that vs an original design?  Another problem with numerical scoring is the
first person usually gets screwed.  They get an average rating regardless,
so the judges can leave themselves room for something better that might come
along.

All of this is the MD’s call and
while at the time I respect the position and the decision, that doesn’t mean I
have to agree with it.”

Side note:
this was the first time tablets were employed for judge scores, rather that the
tried and true pencil and paper pads.   There
was speculation over whether the tablet system would work better had there been
an even number of judges for both Workmanship and Presentation.

“The Exhibits area may have been
small, but the doll show was not; it had far more entries than many previous
years, and kept growing as the con progressed.

The layout was surprising and a
bit unorthodox, but worked very well, allowing easy visual access to all sides
of the dolls.  I was initially a little
worried about physical vulnerability, especially being immediately adjacent to
the dealer’s area, but everyone I saw was very respectful and careful around
the dolls.  For a Costume-Con, I could
see using this layout again. 

As often happens, the
registration process was less formal than that used for the masquerades.  In this case, the registration form was also
the doll’s label.  It worked surprisingly
well, though I’ll admit there were a few dolls for which I wished the entry
information had been filled out more completely…..

The judging was surprising to me……..
I pretty much agreed with their choices, though I might have given a few more
awards had I been judging.”

Official Photography

Two words
about Official Photography – “too expensive”.
At the prices they were charging, there was no way realistically  to purchase a whole set of photos of all the
events.  As a solution to that lost opportunity,
we are “crowdsourcing” photos from  all
our members who took pictures, sorting through them and distributing a CD to
each of them.

Note to
future Concoms:    Negotiate better deals
(this may’ve been the best they could do – we weren’t in on that part of the
planning )   At least the photographer
got a complete record of all the shows and made sure all the pictures were good
before letting the contestants leave the room.
Also, it was nice not to have the Official Photographer in the Green
Room. 

Tech

Rehearsals
ran quick and early for both shows.   Yay
for them!  

The PA
speakers were a bit tinny and anyone standing behind them couldn’t  understand what was being said due to the
acoustics.

Green
Room

Not very well catered – there were
very few sodas, only popcorn and pretzels for snacks.  

“I
saw this as a further indication that the hotel did not conside the con as a
major event. It did not treat us as if it was.   CCs need to specify in the contract how the hotel will
handle the food. For events of our size, if it’s not in the contract, it
doesn’t happen.”

Why were people not notified there was a
press person wandering about taking pictures?
There appeared to be a shortage of den moms.    One of the masq participants wound up
herding  others to official photo.   Was there much of a push for volunteers,
beyond the website?    An announcement of
need for den moms could have been made during the FNS.

Photo runs

Starting with the FNS, it was noticed that the photo runs were taking too long.  Archon puts three people on stage at a time,
starting from stage left to stage right, with each of them rotating one
position to the right after everyone in the audience has had their chance to
take their pictures.    Longtime attendee Steward Hartman has been the
unofficial wrangler for the photo runs, directing people to move and make sure
everyone has their photos.   This
position ought to be officially recognized.

Dealers
Room

A nice, spacious room, with a pretty
good-sized number of dealers with lots of different wares for sale.    One
of the more popular dealers was the folks selling the vintage Japanese haori,
kimono etc. by the pound.   Only
complaint?   No booksellers.

Exhibits:  Some interesting stuff, mostly local, at
least half of it MACS members’s works.   We like how some of the costume exhibits were
spread out throughout the edges of theDealers Room.

Dead Dog
party

It occurred Monday afternoon.   Future
ConComs: Those of us who make your Monday room nights need something to do,
otherwise, we’ll leave earlier.   Plan
for something for the evening – even if it’s a simple as “hey, let’s hang out
at the pool/bar/whatever”.     The Archives could be opened up to show people something, with advanced knowledge.

All  things considered in this review, we had very few beefs with the way the con was run.   All the cricitisms were fairly
nit-picky.     We gave the con a B+ to
A-.

Well done, MACS.

Just to clarify, in regards to:

I think my brain just does not work that way, to be able to peruse and
compare designs on a screen. I know, I know, I could print out the whole
thing…….but with the number of designs it’s not been practical with
my printer, which only holds about 30 sheets of paper at a time. IT’s
frustrating.

The First CC I attended (CC9 in Columbia) I registered at the door, had
never even HEARD of the FFF. I really think our promotion and outreach
has gotten better.

I’ve also run the Fashion Show (CC27 in Baltimore) and I commiserate with
the you on contestants dropping out at the last minute (i.e. the con has
already started). It’s hard to be in constant communication with
entrants, and keep having to revise the show.

I still think that having it Sunday mid-day is the best alternative. I
preferred when the SP contest was run at the same time as the Fashion
Show; I understand all the reasons why people like it on a separate day,
but I wonder if the numbers really have shown that it pushes more people
to enter the Fashion Show or not.

Lisa a

On 04 Jun 2016 17:35:20 -0700 “casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]”
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

Mostly cribbing from Karen�s comments here: She would have liked to have
had more entries. Six people did not properly notify her they would not
be in the show. There is a need to stress that contestants should let
the Director know well ahead of time if they will not get their designs
made. For example, one of the designers who reserved one of their own
exclusively backed out, but didn�t inform Karen. Someone else could
have done it. And a maker who did not want to repeat a design lost
their opportunity because the two people who were going to do the same
one backed out.

As usual, there seemed to be fewer people in the audience for the Folio
show. Do people sleep in on Sunday morning? There�s not much that can
be done to encourage more people to come to the show, despite no
programming opposite it. Overall, though, Karen was pleased with what
she had and it ran smoothly.

Note to FFS directors about run orders: Put an experienced person at the
beginning and end and then sprinkle the other experienced people among
the first-timers.

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As for electronic Folios versus hard-copy – it began as a matter of cost rather than trend. Printing & Mailing costs rose precipitously several years ago and the cost of the Folio became the biggest budget item for many CCs. Add in problems with delivering in a timely fashion (post production of a printed Folio is easily doubled by printing & mailing) and growing acceptance of electronic publications in the larger costuming community; you can see how electronic is the only feasible option going forward. As you say, you can always print it (many do). Given your printer limitations maybe it would be easier to load it on a flash drive and take it to your local Kinko’s (or whatever printshop is in your area).
The savings to the concom means they can provide more in other areas.

As an aside – did the horizontal format make it easier to browse the recent Folio as opposed to the past vertical formats? I was hoping it would make it more use-able as an electronic format.

Nora M

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To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show

I know that many of you running and supervising the Folio and the Fashion Show are about my age, maybe a bit younger, so here is my personal take on it. Ever since the Folio began to be put out completely electronically I have barely looked at it and have not made up any designs. I remember back when getting very excited about doing them, and one year, being crazy disappointed because the design I Wanted had already been reserved.

I think my brain just does not work that way, to be able to peruse and compare designs on a screen. I know, I know, I could print out the whole thing…….but with the number of designs it’s not been practical with my printer, which only holds about 30 sheets of paper at a time. IT’s frustrating.

The First CC I attended (CC9 in Columbia) I registered at the door, had never even HEARD of the FFF. I really think our promotion and outreach has gotten better.

I’ve also run the Fashion Show (CC27 in Baltimore) and I commiserate with the you on contestants dropping out at the last minute (i.e. the con has already started). It’s hard to be in constant communication with entrants, and keep having to revise the show.

I still think that having it Sunday mid-day is the best alternative. I preferred when the SP contest was run at the same time as the Fashion Show; I understand all the reasons why people like it on a separate day, but I wonder if the numbers really have shown that it pushes more people to enter the Fashion Show or not.

Lisa a

On 04 Jun 2016 17:35:20 -0700 “casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]”
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

Mostly cribbing from Karen s comments here: She would have liked to have
had more entries. Six people did not properly notify her they would not
be in the show. There is a need to stress that contestants should let
the Director know well ahead of time if they will not get their designs
made. For example, one of the designers who reserved one of their own
exclusively backed out, but didn t inform Karen. Someone else could
have done it. And a maker who did not want to repeat a design lost
their opportunity because the two people who were going to do the same one backed out.

As usual, there seemed to be fewer people in the audience for the Folio
show. Do people sleep in on Sunday morning? There s not much that can
be done to encourage more people to come to the show, despite no programming opposite it. Overall, though, Karen was pleased with what she had and it ran smoothly.

Note to FFS directors about run orders: Put an experienced person at the beginning and end and then sprinkle the other experienced people among the first-timers.

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>
> The ICG does print and mail a small number of copies of The
> International Costumer to ICG members who need to receive a hard copy.
> Can CC’s do likewise with regard to the Folio? If the number is
> controlled and known in advance, it could be covered in the con’s
> budget.
>
> Byron

CC31 did mail hardcopy folios to a few who requested it. Probably under
a dozen. There were also some DVDs made for at the door registrations.

Michael

Lisa a

On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 18:56:29 -0400 “Byron Connell byronpconnell@gmail.com
[runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

I understand Lisa�s concern. I also understand Nora�s response abut
printing. Many small organizations that used to print and mail journals,
newsletters, reports, and so forth now rely on electronic publishing and
distribution and print and mail only when specifically requested. It was
the cost to the ICG of printing and mailing the Costumer�s Quarterly that
doomed that publication. We had year after year after year of budget
deficits because we were not able to control those costs. So far as I can
tell, the ICG can afford to continue to publish The International
Costumer only because it is produced and delivered electronically, with
only a trivial number of hard copies mailed to members.

I don�t have Lisa�s printer problem. I have a color laser printer. So I
normally print the Folio when it comes in, as I do The International
Costumer and other electronic journals I receive. I recognize that I�m
letting an organization transfer to my shoulders what otherwise would be
its cost of publication; however, I�d rather do that than do without.

The ICG does print and mail a small number of copies of The International
Costumer to ICG members who need to receive a hard copy. Can CC�s do
likewise with regard to the Folio? If the number is controlled and known
in advance, it could be covered in the con�s budget.

Byron

On Jun 5, 2016, at 2:57 PM, ‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net
[runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

To answer in reverse order:
The numbers definitely support keeping the FFS away from any other
competition. Just look at CC33 when the Portieres contest was run at the
same time – there were 21 entries for that and only three for the FFS.
The discrepancy is usually not quite that drastic (and may often depend
on the quality of the Folio itself) but the Folio Show loses in any
instance where the contestants have to choose between the Folio and any
other event.

As for electronic Folios versus hard-copy – it began as a matter of cost
rather than trend. Printing & Mailing costs rose precipitously several
years ago and the cost of the Folio became the biggest budget item for
many CCs. Add in problems with delivering in a timely fashion (post
production of a printed Folio is easily doubled by printing & mailing)
and growing acceptance of electronic publications in the larger costuming
community; you can see how electronic is the only feasible option going
forward. As you say, you can always print it (many do). Given your
printer limitations maybe it would be easier to load it on a flash drive
and take it to your local Kinko’s (or whatever printshop is in your
area).
The savings to the concom means they can provide more in other areas.

As an aside – did the horizontal format make it easier to browse the
recent Folio as opposed to the past vertical formats? I was hoping it
would make it more use-able as an electronic format.

Nora M

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 11:15 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion Show

I know that many of you running and supervising the Folio and the Fashion
Show are about my age, maybe a bit younger, so here is my personal take
on it. Ever since the Folio began to be put out completely electronically
I have barely looked at it and have not made up any designs. I remember
back when getting very excited about doing them, and one year, being
crazy disappointed because the design I Wanted had already been reserved.

I think my brain just does not work that way, to be able to peruse and
compare designs on a screen. I know, I know, I could print out the whole
thing…….but with the number of designs it’s not been practical with
my printer, which only holds about 30 sheets of paper at a time. IT’s
frustrating.

The First CC I attended (CC9 in Columbia) I registered at the door, had
never even HEARD of the FFF. I really think our promotion and outreach
has gotten better.

I’ve also run the Fashion Show (CC27 in Baltimore) and I commiserate with
the you on contestants dropping out at the last minute (i.e. the con has
already started). It’s hard to be in constant communication with
entrants, and keep having to revise the show.

I still think that having it Sunday mid-day is the best alternative. I
preferred when the SP contest was run at the same time as the Fashion
Show; I understand all the reasons why people like it on a separate day,
but I wonder if the numbers really have shown that it pushes more people
to enter the Fashion Show or not.

Lisa a

On 04 Jun 2016 17:35:20 -0700 “casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]”
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

Mostly cribbing from Karen s comments here: She would have liked to have
had more entries. Six people did not properly notify her they would not
be in the show. There is a need to stress that contestants should let
the Director know well ahead of time if they will not get their designs
made. For example, one of the designers who reserved one of their own
exclusively backed out, but didn t inform Karen. Someone else could
have done it. And a maker who did not want to repeat a design lost
their opportunity because the two people who were going to do the same
one backed out.

As usual, there seemed to be fewer people in the audience for the Folio
show. Do people sleep in on Sunday morning? There s not much that can
be done to encourage more people to come to the show, despite no
programming opposite it. Overall, though, Karen was pleased with what she
had and it ran smoothly.

Note to FFS directors about run orders: Put an experienced person at the
beginning and end and then sprinkle the other experienced people among
the first-timers.

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> To answer in reverse order:
> The numbers definitely

support keeping the FFS away from any other

> competition. Just look at

CC33 when the Portieres contest was run at

> the same time – there were

21 entries for that and only three for

> the FFS.
> The discrepancy

is usually not quite that drastic (and may often

> depend on the quality

of the Folio itself) but the Folio Show loses

> in any instance where the

contestants have to choose between the

> Folio and any other event.

>
> As for electronic Folios versus hard-copy – it began as a

matter of

> cost rather than trend. Printing & Mailing costs rose

precipitously

> several years ago and the cost of the Folio became the

biggest

> budget item for many CCs. Add in problems with delivering in a

> timely fashion (post production of a printed Folio is easily doubled

> by printing & mailing) and growing acceptance of electronic

> publications in the larger costuming community; you can see how

> electronic is the only feasible option going forward. As you say,

> you can always print it (many do). Given your printer limitations

> maybe it would be easier to load it on a flash drive and take it to

> your local Kinko’s (or whatever printshop is in your area).
> The

savings to the concom means they can provide more in other

>

areas.

>
> As an aside – did the horizontal format make it easier

to browse the

> recent Folio as opposed to the past vertical formats? I

was hoping

> it would make it more use-able as an electronic

format.

>
> Nora M
>
> —–Original

Message—–

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>

Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 11:15 AM

> To:

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> Subject:

Re: [runacc] SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion

> Show
>

> I know that many of you running and supervising the Folio and the

> Fashion Show are about my age, maybe a bit younger, so here is my

> personal take on it.  Ever since the Folio began to be put out

> completely electronically I have barely looked at it and have not

> made  up any designs. I remember back when getting very excited

> about doing them, and one year, being crazy disappointed because the

> design I Wanted had already been reserved.
>

>  I think my brain just does not work that way, to be able to

peruse

> and compare designs on a screen.  I know, I know, I could

print out

> the whole thing…….but with the number of designs it’s not

been

> practical with my printer, which only holds about 30 sheets of

paper

> at a time.  IT’s frustrating.
>
> The

First CC I attended (CC9 in Columbia) I registered at the door,

> had

never even HEARD of the FFF.  I really think our promotion and

>

outreach has gotten better.

>
> I’ve also run the Fashion Show

(CC27 in Baltimore) and I commiserate

> with the you on contestants

dropping out at the last minute (i.e.

> the con has already

started).  It’s hard to be in constant

> communication with

entrants, and keep having to revise the show.

>
> I still

think that having it Sunday mid-day is the best alternative.

> I

preferred when the SP contest was run at the same time as the

> Fashion

Show; I understand all the reasons why people like it on a

> separate

day, but I wonder if the numbers really have shown that it

> pushes more

people to enter the Fashion Show or not.

>
> Lisa a
>

> On 04 Jun 2016 17:35:20 -0700 “

href=”mailto:casamai@sbcglobal.net”>casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]”

>

<runacc@yahoogroups.com>
writes:

>
>
>
> Mostly cribbing from Karen s comments

here:  She would have liked to

> have
> had more

entries.   Six people did not properly notify her they

> would

not

> be in the show.   There is a need to stress that

contestants should

> let
> the Director know well ahead of time if

they will not get their

> designs
> made.   For example,

one of the designers who reserved one of their

> own
> exclusively

backed out, but didn t inform Karen.    Someone else

>

could

> have done it.   And a maker who did not want to repeat a

design

> lost
> their opportunity because the two people who were

going to do the

> same one backed out.
>
> As usual, there

seemed to be fewer people in the audience for the

> Folio
>

show.  Do people sleep in on Sunday morning?   There s not much
that

> can
> be done to encourage more people to come to the show,

despite no

> programming opposite it.  Overall, though, Karen was

pleased with

> what she had and it ran smoothly.
>
>

> Note to FFS directors about run orders:  Put an experienced person

> at the beginning and end and then sprinkle the other experienced

> people among the first-timers.
>
>
>
>

>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
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On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 4:09 AM lisa58@juno.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

Thanks Nora.

The cost info makes it more understandable.  And the
suggestion of putting it on a drive and printing it at a shop makes sense
too.  I wish I still had a job where I could do that!

It still seems to me, that Costume Con is not enough days for
everything we all want to pack into it!!

Lisa a

On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 13:57:25 -0500 “‘Nora & Bruce Mai’ casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
writes:
> To answer in reverse order:
> The numbers definitely
support keeping the FFS away from any other
> competition. Just look at
CC33 when the Portieres contest was run at
> the same time – there were
21 entries for that and only three for
> the FFS.
> The discrepancy
is usually not quite that drastic (and may often
> depend on the quality
of the Folio itself) but the Folio Show loses
> in any instance where the
contestants have to choose between the
> Folio and any other event.

>
> As for electronic Folios versus hard-copy – it began as a
matter of
> cost rather than trend. Printing & Mailing costs rose
precipitously
> several years ago and the cost of the Folio became the
biggest
> budget item for many CCs. Add in problems with delivering in a

> timely fashion (post production of a printed Folio is easily doubled

> by printing & mailing) and growing acceptance of electronic

> publications in the larger costuming community; you can see how

> electronic is the only feasible option going forward. As you say,

> you can always print it (many do). Given your printer limitations

> maybe it would be easier to load it on a flash drive and take it to

> your local Kinko’s (or whatever printshop is in your area).
> The
savings to the concom means they can provide more in other
>
areas.
>
> As an aside – did the horizontal format make it easier
to browse the
> recent Folio as opposed to the past vertical formats? I
was hoping
> it would make it more use-able as an electronic
format.
>
> Nora M
>
> —–Original
Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
>
Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 11:15 AM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:
Re: [runacc] SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion
> Show
>

> I know that many of you running and supervising the Folio and the

> Fashion Show are about my age, maybe a bit younger, so here is my

> personal take on it.  Ever since the Folio began to be put out

> completely electronically I have barely looked at it and have not

> made  up any designs. I remember back when getting very excited

> about doing them, and one year, being crazy disappointed because the

> design I Wanted had already been reserved.
>

>  I think my brain just does not work that way, to be able to
peruse
> and compare designs on a screen.  I know, I know, I could
print out
> the whole thing…….but with the number of designs it’s not
been
> practical with my printer, which only holds about 30 sheets of
paper
> at a time.  IT’s frustrating.
>
> The
First CC I attended (CC9 in Columbia) I registered at the door,
> had
never even HEARD of the FFF.  I really think our promotion and
>
outreach has gotten better.
>
> I’ve also run the Fashion Show
(CC27 in Baltimore) and I commiserate
> with the you on contestants
dropping out at the last minute (i.e.
> the con has already
started).  It’s hard to be in constant
> communication with
entrants, and keep having to revise the show.
>
> I still
think that having it Sunday mid-day is the best alternative.
> I
preferred when the SP contest was run at the same time as the
> Fashion
Show; I understand all the reasons why people like it on a
> separate
day, but I wonder if the numbers really have shown that it
> pushes more
people to enter the Fashion Show or not.
>
> Lisa a
>

> On 04 Jun 2016 17:35:20 -0700 “casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]”
>
<runacc@yahoogroups.com>
writes:
>
>
>
> Mostly cribbing from Karen s comments
here:  She would have liked to
> have
> had more
entries.   Six people did not properly notify her they
> would
not
> be in the show.   There is a need to stress that
contestants should
> let
> the Director know well ahead of time if
they will not get their
> designs
> made.   For example,
one of the designers who reserved one of their
> own
> exclusively
backed out, but didn t inform Karen.    Someone else
>
could
> have done it.   And a maker who did not want to repeat a
design
> lost
> their opportunity because the two people who were
going to do the
> same one backed out.
>
> As usual, there
seemed to be fewer people in the audience for the
> Folio
>
show.  Do people sleep in on Sunday morning?   There s not much
that
> can
> be done to encourage more people to come to the show,
despite no
> programming opposite it.  Overall, though, Karen was
pleased with
> what she had and it ran smoothly.
>
>

> Note to FFS directors about run orders:  Put an experienced person

> at the beginning and end and then sprinkle the other experienced

> people among the first-timers.
>
>
>
>

>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
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We had considered a print-membership price for CC37 and discarded the idea.  Perhaps we will revisit.  Are there other things people would like in print other than the folio?

~Aurora

Hi Sharon,

Just to clarify, for me it’s not a matter of how useable to electronic
version is, I just prefer it in print and from now on am going to make
more of an effort to get it printed. It’s just a generational thing I
guess, I just prefer paper for a lot of things.

Lisa a

On Tue, 7 Jun 2016 13:36:02 -0400 “Sharon Sbarsky sbarsky@gmail.com
[runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

I’ve also been reading these threads with interest, and will probably go
back into the archives for earlier CCs. 😉 I assume that all are
available to share with our committee?

I’ve been thinking about the print/online FFF. As Aurora said, we were
looking at a special print-membership price, but mostly decided against
it because of complexity and impact on the budget. (balancing the income
and expense of print publications.)

But I’ve been wondering about electronic FFF. is the problem people have
with view the the FF online that it really isn’t optimized for a laptop,
tablet, or phone? If each design was setup so that it is easily viewable
(make larger, etc.) on someone’s phone or tablet would that be better?
Perhaps also letting the member print which ever designs they want, and
not the cost of the entire FFF.

Phone and tablet apps have been improving, and by 2019 we should be able
to get something that is better than what we’ve had until now.

Sharon

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 12:34 PM, Aurora Celeste auroraceleste@gmail.com
[runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

We had considered a print-membership price for CC37 and discarded the
idea. Perhaps we will revisit. Are there other things people would like
in print other than the folio?

~Aurora

On Monday, June 6, 2016, Andrew Trembley attrembl@bovil.com [runacc]
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

There are print-on-demand services that would make it easy for people who
want to buy a copy of the folio to do so online, and have it sent
directly to them.

The problem is I don’t know many of them that would make it easy to
restrict purchase of print folios to convention members only.

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 4:09 AM lisa58@juno.com [runacc]
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

?

Thanks Nora.

The cost info makes it more understandable. And the suggestion of
putting it on a drive and printing it at a shop makes sense too. I wish
I still had a job where I could do that!

It still seems to me, that Costume Con is not enough days for everything
we all want to pack into it!!

Lisa a

On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 13:57:25 -0500 “‘Nora & Bruce Mai’
casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

> To answer in reverse order:
> The numbers definitely support keeping the FFS away from any other
> competition. Just look at CC33 when the Portieres contest was run at
> the same time – there were 21 entries for that and only three for
> the FFS.
> The discrepancy is usually not quite that drastic (and may often
> depend on the quality of the Folio itself) but the Folio Show loses
> in any instance where the contestants have to choose between the
> Folio and any other event.
>
> As for electronic Folios versus hard-copy – it began as a matter of
> cost rather than trend. Printing & Mailing costs rose precipitously
> several years ago and the cost of the Folio became the biggest
> budget item for many CCs. Add in problems with delivering in a
> timely fashion (post production of a printed Folio is easily doubled
> by printing & mailing) and growing acceptance of electronic
> publications in the larger costuming community; you can see how
> electronic is the only feasible option going forward. As you say,
> you can always print it (many do). Given your printer limitations
> maybe it would be easier to load it on a flash drive and take it to
> your local Kinko’s (or whatever printshop is in your area).
> The savings to the concom means they can provide more in other
> areas.
>
> As an aside – did the horizontal format make it easier to browse the
> recent Folio as opposed to the past vertical formats? I was hoping
> it would make it more use-able as an electronic format.
>
> Nora M
>
> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com]
> Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 11:15 AM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [runacc] SLCG Costume-Con 34 Review: Future Fashion
> Show
>
> I know that many of you running and supervising the Folio and the
> Fashion Show are about my age, maybe a bit younger, so here is my
> personal take on it. Ever since the Folio began to be put out
> completely electronically I have barely looked at it and have not
> made up any designs. I remember back when getting very excited
> about doing them, and one year, being crazy disappointed because the
> design I Wanted had already been reserved.
>
> I think my brain just does not work that way, to be able to peruse
> and compare designs on a screen. I know, I know, I could print out
> the whole thing…….but with the number of designs it’s not been
> practical with my printer, which only holds about 30 sheets of paper
> at a time. IT’s frustrating.
>
> The First CC I attended (CC9 in Columbia) I registered at the door,
> had never even HEARD of the FFF. I really think our promotion and
> outreach has gotten better.
>
> I’ve also run the Fashion Show (CC27 in Baltimore) and I commiserate
> with the you on contestants dropping out at the last minute (i.e.
> the con has already started). It’s hard to be in constant
> communication with entrants, and keep having to revise the show.
>
> I still think that having it Sunday mid-day is the best alternative.
> I preferred when the SP contest was run at the same time as the
> Fashion Show; I understand all the reasons why people like it on a
> separate day, but I wonder if the numbers really have shown that it
> pushes more people to enter the Fashion Show or not.
>
> Lisa a
>
> On 04 Jun 2016 17:35:20 -0700 “casamai@sbcglobal.net [runacc]”
> <runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:
>
>
>
> Mostly cribbing from Karen s comments here: She would have liked to
> have
> had more entries. Six people did not properly notify her they
> would not
> be in the show. There is a need to stress that contestants should
> let
> the Director know well ahead of time if they will not get their
> designs
> made. For example, one of the designers who reserved one of their
> own
> exclusively backed out, but didn t inform Karen. Someone else
> could
> have done it. And a maker who did not want to repeat a design
> lost
> their opportunity because the two people who were going to do the
> same one backed out.
>
> As usual, there seemed to be fewer people in the audience for the
> Folio
> show. Do people sleep in on Sunday morning? There s not much that
> can
> be done to encourage more people to come to the show, despite no
> programming opposite it. Overall, though, Karen was pleased with
> what she had and it ran smoothly.
>
>
> Note to FFS directors about run orders: Put an experienced person
> at the beginning and end and then sprinkle the other experienced
> people among the first-timers.
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ————————————
> Posted by: <lisa58@juno.com>
> ————————————
>
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>
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>
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>
>
>

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I’m curious – what did people think of the horizontal format?

I hoped it would display better on a computer screen, any feedback?

Nora

So no opinion?

Nora

In light of recent discussions it seems like we might need
to codify some of the generally expected customs and activities that are not
specifically required in the CC ConStitution but have established themselves at
Costume-Con year after year. Not that they have to be included every year but
habitual attendees can be disappointed by things that Con-coms never knew
about. Plus it would be good to have the history of all these CC traditions.

Examples:

Exhibits

Dead Dog Party

Announcement Process

Guild Chapter Awards

Mousekerade

Half-time Videos

Photo Run

Doll Contest

Hospitality

So to aid both future Con-coms and attendees, and to
preserve this history for the Archives, we’d like to compile a list of the
non-official Costume-Con Traditions. Include everything you know – origin (year
& persons), impact, personal stories, and its demise (if applicable).

So what do you expect at a Costume-Con that is not outlined
in the ConStitution? Discuss.

Mousekerade is silly fun at the Dead Dog.  People bring a stuffed animal and costume it with stuff they find at the convention, then have a silly-as-possible thing.  Bonus points if the judges have been drinking.  At CC27 we had lots of drinks and deliberated in a closet.  Literally.  Lots of fun.

On Saturday, June 11, 2016, Sharon Sbarsky sbarsky@gmail.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

yes, this! I would love to know what people consider “traditional” enough that there will be disappointments or complaints if they didn’t happen.

What is the Mousekerade? That either hasn’t been at any of the CCs I’ve attended, or was low enough on my radar/interest that I didn’t pay attention.

The others I’m pretty aware of, in at least one iteration.

I would also like to hear opinions on the “official video” availability and sales. Eric stated that it was a “rule” that the video *must* be available for sale *at* the CC for people to buy and go home with. But I also know that some video directors (like Syd) like to spend more time on creating the official video, including credits of crew and entrants, and make it available some time later. I couldn’t find any rule on this in the Constitution, but what is expected?

Sharon

 

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 8:40 PM, von_drago@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

In light of recent discussions it seems like we might need
to codify some of the generally expected customs and activities that are not
specifically required in the CC ConStitution but have established themselves at
Costume-Con year after year. Not that they have to be included every year but
habitual attendees can be disappointed by things that Con-coms never knew
about. Plus it would be good to have the history of all these CC traditions.

 

 

 

 

 

Examples:

 

 

Exhibits

 

 

Dead Dog Party

 

 

Announcement Process

 

 

Guild Chapter Awards

 

 

Mousekerade

 

 

Half-time Videos

 

 

Photo Run

 

 

Doll Contest

 

 

Hospitality

 

 

 

 

 

So to aid both future Con-coms and attendees, and to
preserve this history for the Archives, we’d like to compile a list of the
non-official Costume-Con Traditions. Include everything you know – origin (year
& persons), impact, personal stories, and its demise (if applicable).

 

 

 

 

 

So what do you expect at a Costume-Con that is not outlined
in the ConStitution? Discuss.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mousekerade Origin – CC16; one of the vendors had a rack of Folkmanis hand puppets including white mice. Some folks used stuffies they had brought with them. Drinking may have been involved 🙂

I know it was done at 25 & 27 – what other years had a Mousekerade?

Nora

We definitely want things not on that list – those are just some examples and there are plenty more.

Nora

Lisa a

On 10 Jun 2016 17:40:43 -0700 “von_drago@yahoo.com [runacc]”
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

In light of recent discussions it seems like we might need to codify some
of the generally expected customs and activities that are not
specifically required in the CC ConStitution but have established
themselves at Costume-Con year after year. Not that they have to be
included every year but habitual attendees can be disappointed by things
that Con-coms never knew about. Plus it would be good to have the history
of all these CC traditions.

Examples:
Exhibits
Dead Dog Party
Announcement Process
Guild Chapter Awards
Mousekerade
Half-time Videos
Photo Run
Doll Contest
Hospitality

So to aid both future Con-coms and attendees, and to preserve this
history for the Archives, we�d like to compile a list of the non-official
Costume-Con Traditions. Include everything you know � origin (year &
persons), impact, personal stories, and its demise (if applicable).

So what do you expect at a Costume-Con that is not outlined in the
ConStitution? Discuss.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

The Dead Dog Party Mon. evvening, while not set in stone, has been a nice
time at other CC’s in the past. USually it wasn’t much more than having
the con suite, or some larger space, available with seating (comfortable
chairs!) so that people can wander in and out, talk to people, and show
off the cool fabric they bought on Monday outings, and the rest of us can
“ooh” and “aaah” over it. HAving Archives video playing is nice–having
Masquerade video from the Con is nice. Even slide shows of costumes past
is nice. Food and drinks are nice. The Mouskerade was some people
dressing up some stuffed animals in costumes, I personally was never into
it, but people seemed to enjoy it. My feeling is that by Monday night,
I’ve had enough competition for the while. It should be relaxing. The
past con, and I think at least one or two recently, there didn’t seem to
be any real plan for Monday night.

Lisa a

On Sat, 11 Jun 2016 11:44:35 -0400 “Sharon Sbarsky sbarsky@gmail.com
[runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

yes, this! I would love to know what people consider “traditional” enough
that there will be disappointments or complaints if they didn’t happen.

What is the Mousekerade? That either hasn’t been at any of the CCs I’ve
attended, or was low enough on my radar/interest that I didn’t pay
attention.

The others I’m pretty aware of, in at least one iteration.

I would also like to hear opinions on the “official video” availability
and sales. Eric stated that it was a “rule” that the video *must* be
available for sale *at* the CC for people to buy and go home with. But I
also know that some video directors (like Syd) like to spend more time on
creating the official video, including credits of crew and entrants, and
make it available some time later. I couldn’t find any rule on this in
the Constitution, but what is expected?

Sharon

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 8:40 PM, von_drago@yahoo.com [runacc]
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

In light of recent discussions it seems like we might need to codify some
of the generally expected customs and activities that are not
specifically required in the CC ConStitution but have established
themselves at Costume-Con year after year. Not that they have to be
included every year but habitual attendees can be disappointed by things
that Con-coms never knew about. Plus it would be good to have the history
of all these CC traditions.

Examples:
Exhibits
Dead Dog Party
Announcement Process
Guild Chapter Awards
Mousekerade
Half-time Videos
Photo Run
Doll Contest
Hospitality

So to aid both future Con-coms and attendees, and to preserve this
history for the Archives, we�d like to compile a list of the non-official
Costume-Con Traditions. Include everything you know � origin (year &
persons), impact, personal stories, and its demise (if applicable).

So what do you expect at a Costume-Con that is not outlined in the
ConStitution? Discuss.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Ribbons and certificates

I recall a few years that had a Victorian pool party

Hall costumes, special themes are great, like a convention ‘motif’,
special contests for each day, if well-publicized, have been fun, group
hall costumes

An afternoon Tea could be great–there have been a few on Sunday
afternoons in the past, perhaps a Monday afternoon/evening Tea could work

Exhibits: I personally LOVE the chance to get see some fantastic older
costumes up close, exhibits are great when you can actually WALK AROUND
the whole costume, and get a closer look at props

Costumer Retrospectives: I don’t remember the exact con they started, it
had been done a couple times by CC27, when I was invited to give one. I
can’t say enough how much I love these. It gives you a real chance to
get inside a costumer’s head and understand better how they think while
costuming, what their creative process is. I’d like it to become a
tradition of 1 or 2 costumers at every CC, can be chosen by the Con Chair
and Committee.

The Archives giving the Half-time entertainment at least during the F&SF
Masquerade–may not be an official “tradition” yet, but it is always
entertaining, and gives us a better understanding and appreciation of our
art form

Lisa a

On 11 Jun 2016 13:58:24 -0700 “von_drago@yahoo.com [runacc]”
<runacc@yahoogroups.com> writes:

We definitely want things not on that list – those are just some examples
and there are plenty more.

Nora

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I didn’t see it. However, I can see how a landscape format would lend
itself to having a design on one side and the text on the other. It
would also display well on computer screens or when projected.

Michael

On 2016-06-10 21:05, Byron P Connell byronpconnell@gmail.com [runacc]
wrote:

> No, no opinion. So long as I can print it easily, I don’t care which
> way the pages are oriented.
>
> Byron
>

Maybe at 17? I remember judging one with Pierre and Sandy, not too long after the original.

Trudy

26 had a mousekerade

On Thursday, June 16, 2016, costumrs costumrs@radiks.net [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

This may have been said before, but I think one of the “must-haves” (so long as it doesn’t break the bank) is a dead dog party, at least something for people to do Monday afternoon/evening. I’ve really missed it the last two years.

My opinion only.

Sandy

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

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From: “Trudy Leonard georgialei@hotmail.com [runacc]” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>

Date: 6/16/16 12:37 AM (GMT-06:00)

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [runacc] Costume-Con “Traditions”

 

Maybe at 17? I remember judging one with Pierre and Sandy, not too long after the original.

 

Trudy

 

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From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of von_drago@yahoo.com [runacc] <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 4:57 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Costume-Con “Traditions”

 

Mousekerade Origin – CC16; one of the vendors had a rack of Folkmanis hand puppets including white mice. Some folks used stuffies they had brought with them. Drinking may have been involved 🙂

I know it was done at 25 & 27 – what other years had a Mousekerade?

 

Nora