In a message dated 4/17/2013 10:30:45 PM Central Daylight Time,
costumrs@radiks.net writes:

> I believe CC28 provided a
> disc containing the folio to people who joined at
> the door. Henry will have to confirm.

Honestly, I do not remember what we did.

Henry

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Basically, what Byron said. If the membership is said to include the Folio,
then it needs to include the Folio. Either that, or you’re selling
something other than a full membership and that needs to be spelled out.

My NSH $0.02. OTOH, if you’ve distributed the Folio on disk, then you can
distribute at the door the same way. The best you can do is make an
educated guess as to how many you’re going to get total for the con and
plan accordingly. I think we overbought by maybe 100, but with printers
there’s frequently a bulk price break, and that can make all the
difference.

Your mileage may vary. Taxes, tags and license extra.

Betsy

On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 8:24 PM, <osierhenry@cs.com> wrote:

> In a message dated 4/17/2013 10:30:45 PM Central Daylight Time,
> costumrs@radiks.net writes:
> > I believe CC28 provided a
> > disc containing the folio to people who joined at
> > the door. Henry will have to confirm.
> Honestly, I do not remember what we did.
>
> Henry
>
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http://www.hawkeswood.com/

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I only ever got a digi for CC28, so I don’t think you handed out at the
door.

– Sarah

On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 7:24 PM, <osierhenry@cs.com> wrote:

> **
>
>
> In a message dated 4/17/2013 10:30:45 PM Central Daylight Time,
> costumrs@radiks.net writes:
> > I believe CC28 provided a
> > disc containing the folio to people who joined at
> > the door. Henry will have to confirm.
> Honestly, I do not remember what we did.
>
> Henry
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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There are still a (very) few Luddites who dislike electronic/computerized
media. I personally don’t have a problem with printing out my own personal
hard copy from the digital version (our printer even does double-sided).
Granted, a person printing their own copy uses a bit of paper and
ink/toner, but the actual cost is nominal compared to what a job printer
would charge per copy, and the digital copy takes up a lot less storage
space than a hard copy. One also has the option of just printing out hard
copy of those designs which actually made it into the Folio show.

There’s still time before the con to do a small hard-copy run to have for
those who prefer that, and still mostly do CDs for everyone else. A quick
glance at the Staples website indicates that bulk CDs and sleeves for same
would probably run around 35-40 cents total per copy, as opposed to (my
guess) at least $4 or more (especially if color is used for part) for a
print copy.

I do think that even if one received the Folio electronically prior to the
con, a CD would be appreciated.

Tina

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Did not send. Stupid virus.

Henry

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Please don’t click on the link you just received.

Henry, please run a check of your account.

Thanks,

Betsy

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http://www.hawkeswood.com/

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Hi,
I was using a laptop at a hotel recently. Yes, I know about the
Spam. I am home now and have changed my password, so, hopefully, it will not
happen again.
Henry

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Here are my thoughts about the CC31 Hotel.

Location: It was nice to find out from the general manager that the highway was built around the hotel. That explains the wacky drag race of getting back on Parker to go down the street. It was also nice that it was close to the King Sooper store. Other stores were also a very close drive.

Staff: Generally, hit and miss. I had great encounters with two of the front desk staff, particularly an older shorter woman and a fair haired younger man. There was a darker skinned woman who was an idiot. She did not seem to understand my simple question of “How far down Parker do I go before I get to Alameda?” One of their Shuttle Drivers did and was very helpful. As was a saleswoman and the general manager. Saturday night, I asked the same supervisor three times for water in room D for my judges, and the two men in the restaraunt before some finally showwed up.

Food: There were a few items that were alright. The Friday dinner pasta bar was terrible. The items were warm and I think they just dumped a can of chopped tomatos in the pan for sauce. The sandwich buffet was lack luster. The burger buffet Saturday lunch time was alright. Julia Hyll recieved a cold bowl of soup in the bar Saturday night. Daren Bost said it took him two hours to get some nachos. The breakfast buffet, the one time I went, was alright, neither crappy or stellar.

My Room: I was in the west tower and is was ok. Only had to ask the front desk once to have housekeeping make up my room. I do not know if they just had not made it there yet or missed me, so I mentioned it.

I am very glad that the fire alarm did not go off during the con. It went off Wednesday night and the previous weekend. The humorous thing was that people in the bar did not budge or bat an eye when it happened Wednesday night.

Henry

Because I ran the SF&F, and helped out in the Green Room during the Historical, I did not see that much of the con.

The displays looked good, what I saw of them. As did the list of panels. The dealers room seemed heavy on the steampunk, but, hey, that’s popular now. No harm in capitalizing on that.

Layout was alright, once you got the lay of the land, which did not take long. I just wondered why general con reg was were it was. There were empty tables near us for SF&F and Historical Reg.

I was surprised to find out how many people made it for the con. It did not seem as crowded as the numbers suggest.

Henry

I forgot to mention one other thing. The business center sucked. One computer was broke the entire time I was there, which was Tuesday night before the con till the Tuesday morning after. Thursday morning, I believe, the printers were out of paper. As was the front desk. A sales woman grabbed some out of her office. One man did the thing I thought of doing, which was plug thier printer into his laptop to print. That did work for him.

Henry

I ran it.

Before I trash myself, I want to comment on the woman, I believe her name was Mary, who was running the green room. During my show, her attitude was very bad. One of the MAC’s volunteered to help, and after some confusion, she gave him lip, then her daughters did. She also pushed my judges. I found all this out after it happened.

My contestants were very cool in the green room, which helped things there.

Now, me.

Yes, I should have had seperate workmanship judges. I had a hard time finding the judges I did.

Apparently, most people felt that I did not give out enough awards. Eleven awards were given out in a field of 31 entries.

If anyone lets me run a masquerade at a costume-con, I will have workmanship judges and give out more awards. But, I feel like that is never going to happen again.

Henry

IF anyone has any questions or concerns about the awards that were given out, you are welcome to contact me, as one of the judges.

Jamie Butler

President of the Madison Area Costuming Society,

Member of the Guilde of St. George

— On Sat, 5/25/13, H W <osierhenry@cs.com> wrote:

From: H W <osierhenry@cs.com>
Subject: [runacc] CC31 SF&F Masquerade
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, May 25, 2013, 2:42 PM

I ran it.

Before I trash myself, I want to comment on the woman, I believe her name was Mary, who was running the green room. During my show, her attitude was very bad. One of the MAC’s volunteered to help, and after some confusion, she gave him lip, then her daughters did. She also pushed my judges. I found all this out after it happened.

My contestants were very cool in the green room, which helped things there.

Now, me.

Yes, I should have had seperate workmanship judges. I had a hard time finding the judges I did.

Apparently, most people felt that I did not give out enough awards. Eleven awards were given out in a field of 31 entries.

If anyone lets me run a masquerade at a costume-con, I will have workmanship judges and give out more awards. But, I feel like that is never going to happen again.

Henry

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RE: judges

I don’t know who you asked or didn’t. All I can say was you didn’t ask me, and I was available.

RE: awards

No, you didn’t give out enough awards. That number might have been about right PER SECTION – 11 for workmanship, 11 for presentation.

You broke the main tenet: excellence deserves reward. By hamstringing the judges, you became everything we are fighting against. You also fell into the trap of “at X Con, we *fill in the blank* and it works”. Well, this isn’t X Con; it’s Costume-Con, and you know better – or at least you should have.

RE: running a masquerade in future

I hope you have learned from your errors. They were mostly avoidable. No, I would not choose you for an MD anytime soon. In fact, I would probably refuse to be involved with the masquerade at any level were you to be chosen as MD. You have seen masquerades for years, and you know how we like things – and yet you still insisted on acting with an antiquated mindset. It was baffling – and completely unacceptable. For shame.

Karen

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “H W” <osierhenry@…> wrote:
>
> I ran it.
>
> Yes, I should have had seperate workmanship judges. I had a hard time finding the judges I did.
>
> Apparently, most people felt that I did not give out enough awards. Eleven awards were given out in a field of 31 entries.
>
> If anyone lets me run a masquerade at a costume-con, I will have workmanship judges and give out more awards. But, I feel like that is never going to happen again.
>
> Henry
>

OK, I’m going to stick my neck out for Henry a little bit here, because I
think there’s a little bit of a harsh attitude being thrown at him.

Were the judges hamstrung? Yes. Were there issues in the green room? Yes.

But who brought up these issues with Henry before or while they were
happening? If there were issues in the green room, someone either among
the contestants or the rest of the masquerade staff needed to speak up with
the Director. If there was an issue with the awards and how they were
handed out, someone among the judges needed to speak up with the Director.
A masquerade director can only address a problem that he or she knows is
happening. That Henry is telling us that he didn’t know about these issues
until afterward tells me that at least some of the onus is on the rest of
us for just plain not speaking up.

Now, yes, part of the responsibility of the Director is to be as accessible
as possible and make it easier for people to bring up their concerns. But
I have never known Henry to be anything but approachable and friendly and
open to bringing up issues.

To be frank, I don’t think that Henry is the only one with something to
learn, here.

I have been a contestant, a director, a judge, a green room helper, a stage
hand, an MC (though, not well on that one and I do the world a service by
never doing it again), and an audience member at various and sundry
masquerades for the past seven years or so. And in each of those roles, I
have found that the best way to head off an issue is to simply speak up.

And, yes, I made the mistake of not speaking up during the masquerade
myself. I will gladly admit to that.

Henry is going to be my Green Room Coordinator for Geek.Kon this August.
He runs a damn good green room, even under difficult circumstances (ChiCon
last fall, anyone?). And I will happily help him with any endeavor that I
can in the future. Why? Because he’s a good guy and because simply saying
“I won’t have anything to do with so-and-so anymore” helps no one learn,
grow, or improve.

Withdrawing from someone who is supportive of and enthusiastic for the
hobby simply because mistakes were made would be a bigger shame.

Learn, teach, fix. Don’t ostracize.

Hopefully I haven’t just made enemies with this post. I’ve got a lot of
work ahead for CC34 and I need all the help and input I can get. So I will
say right here and now that if anyone has any issues with anything
concerning CC34, please speak up and I will look into it. I am also still
sorting out a lot of my feelings about stuff that happened last weekend, so
much so that a week isn’t enough time. So this post is all that I will say
on this. If anyone has concerns about anything in this post, please email
me privately.

Mistakes happened. Let’s fix them. All of us.

– Sarah

On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 6:20 PM, axejudge <axejudge@accessus.net> wrote:

> **
>
>
> RE: judges
>
> I don’t know who you asked or didn’t. All I can say was you didn’t ask me,
> and I was available.
>
> RE: awards
>
> No, you didn’t give out enough awards. That number might have been about
> right PER SECTION – 11 for workmanship, 11 for presentation.
>
> You broke the main tenet: excellence deserves reward. By hamstringing the
> judges, you became everything we are fighting against. You also fell into
> the trap of “at X Con, we *fill in the blank* and it works”. Well, this
> isn’t X Con; it’s Costume-Con, and you know better – or at least you should
> have.
>
> RE: running a masquerade in future
>
> I hope you have learned from your errors. They were mostly avoidable. No,
> I would not choose you for an MD anytime soon. In fact, I would probably
> refuse to be involved with the masquerade at any level were you to be
> chosen as MD. You have seen masquerades for years, and you know how we like
> things – and yet you still insisted on acting with an antiquated mindset.
> It was baffling – and completely unacceptable. For shame.
>
> Karen
>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “H W” <osierhenry@…> wrote:
> >
> > I ran it.
>
> >
> > Yes, I should have had seperate workmanship judges. I had a hard time
> finding the judges I did.
> >
> > Apparently, most people felt that I did not give out enough awards.
> Eleven awards were given out in a field of 31 entries.
> >
> > If anyone lets me run a masquerade at a costume-con, I will have
> workmanship judges and give out more awards. But, I feel like that is never
> going to happen again.
> >
> > Henry
> >
>
>
>

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I find you a surprising defender, but okay.

How easy was Henry to find to address these issues? I do not know. If he was difficult to locate, how could issues be addressed?

Judges and contestants alike are regularly told that the MD is God, and what s/he says is the law. How then are people to speak up? The judges did not find out they were handling both workmanship and presentation until they got there. What were they to do then: refuse to judge at all unless he found more judges to handle one side or the other? If Henry was having trouble finding judges, what was he to do then? Now, if he was *really* having that much trouble finding judges, perhaps HE should have squeaked up well before the con to get that issue addressed; that’s part of his job.

Admittedly, if I were handed a short list of awards and told that was all I could give, I would ask why, verify if there were enough ribbons for more, then ignore the list – but I’m a bitch that way.

Henry is not a n00b. He has witnessed and been involved with many masquerades. That’s why I, and others, found his decisions completely unfathomable. He knew better. It would be easier to forgive if he hadn’t.

I am not shunning him as a person, nor as a volunteer in any other aspect. He is not a bad guy. And I have no dog in this particular fight; I didn’t compete, so I was not in the position of feeling I had gotten screwed. I do, however, know that Costume-Con is supposed to be where the ICG’s guidelines, and its general tenets about the artform, will be most respected and followed; that it should be the example that other cons should look to. In this I feel this masquerade failed, and that is directly attributable to the MD’s choices.

Karen

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Sarah Bloy <berzerker.prime@…> wrote:
>
> OK, I’m going to stick my neck out for Henry a little bit here, because I
> think there’s a little bit of a harsh attitude being thrown at him.
>
> Were the judges hamstrung? Yes. Were there issues in the green room? Yes.
>
> But who brought up these issues with Henry before or while they were
> happening? If there were issues in the green room, someone either among
> the contestants or the rest of the masquerade staff needed to speak up with
> the Director. If there was an issue with the awards and how they were
> handed out, someone among the judges needed to speak up with the Director.
> A masquerade director can only address a problem that he or she knows is
> happening. That Henry is telling us that he didn’t know about these issues
> until afterward tells me that at least some of the onus is on the rest of
> us for just plain not speaking up.
>
> Now, yes, part of the responsibility of the Director is to be as accessible
> as possible and make it easier for people to bring up their concerns. But
> I have never known Henry to be anything but approachable and friendly and
> open to bringing up issues.
>
> To be frank, I don’t think that Henry is the only one with something to
> learn, here.
>
> I have been a contestant, a director, a judge, a green room helper, a stage
> hand, an MC (though, not well on that one and I do the world a service by
> never doing it again), and an audience member at various and sundry
> masquerades for the past seven years or so. And in each of those roles, I
> have found that the best way to head off an issue is to simply speak up.
>
> And, yes, I made the mistake of not speaking up during the masquerade
> myself. I will gladly admit to that.
>
> Henry is going to be my Green Room Coordinator for Geek.Kon this August.
> He runs a damn good green room, even under difficult circumstances (ChiCon
> last fall, anyone?). And I will happily help him with any endeavor that I
> can in the future. Why? Because he’s a good guy and because simply saying
> “I won’t have anything to do with so-and-so anymore” helps no one learn,
> grow, or improve.
>
> Withdrawing from someone who is supportive of and enthusiastic for the
> hobby simply because mistakes were made would be a bigger shame.
>
> Learn, teach, fix. Don’t ostracize.
>
> Hopefully I haven’t just made enemies with this post. I’ve got a lot of
> work ahead for CC34 and I need all the help and input I can get. So I will
> say right here and now that if anyone has any issues with anything
> concerning CC34, please speak up and I will look into it. I am also still
> sorting out a lot of my feelings about stuff that happened last weekend, so
> much so that a week isn’t enough time. So this post is all that I will say
> on this. If anyone has concerns about anything in this post, please email
> me privately.
>
> Mistakes happened. Let’s fix them. All of us.
>
> – Sarah
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 6:20 PM, axejudge <axejudge@…> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > RE: judges
> >
> > I don’t know who you asked or didn’t. All I can say was you didn’t ask me,
> > and I was available.
> >
> > RE: awards
> >
> > No, you didn’t give out enough awards. That number might have been about
> > right PER SECTION – 11 for workmanship, 11 for presentation.
> >
> > You broke the main tenet: excellence deserves reward. By hamstringing the
> > judges, you became everything we are fighting against. You also fell into
> > the trap of “at X Con, we *fill in the blank* and it works”. Well, this
> > isn’t X Con; it’s Costume-Con, and you know better – or at least you should
> > have.
> >
> > RE: running a masquerade in future
> >
> > I hope you have learned from your errors. They were mostly avoidable. No,
> > I would not choose you for an MD anytime soon. In fact, I would probably
> > refuse to be involved with the masquerade at any level were you to be
> > chosen as MD. You have seen masquerades for years, and you know how we like
> > things – and yet you still insisted on acting with an antiquated mindset.
> > It was baffling – and completely unacceptable. For shame.
> >
> > Karen
> >
> > — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “H W” <osierhenry@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I ran it.
> >
> > >
> > > Yes, I should have had seperate workmanship judges. I had a hard time
> > finding the judges I did.
> > >
> > > Apparently, most people felt that I did not give out enough awards.
> > Eleven awards were given out in a field of 31 entries.
> > >
> > > If anyone lets me run a masquerade at a costume-con, I will have
> > workmanship judges and give out more awards. But, I feel like that is never
> > going to happen again.
> > >
> > > Henry
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

My one-word description of the hotel is “dim.” I found the dim lighting and tinted windows and mirrors in the public areas very depressing. Of course, it is possible that the dim lighting was intentional, to disguise the shabby surroundings: worn carpets in the halls and worn furniture in the lobby. This may reflect the recent sale of the property and the intent to convert the East Tower to a Radisson. Our East Tower room was marginal. While the lobby came with comfy (if worn) club chairs, the room had a stiff arm chair that looked like the ones in the restaurant; it was extremely uncomfortable. The room lighting was improved once we bought and substituted brighter bulbs that the 40 or 60 watt equivalents in the fixtures. We wondered whether the elevators had been converted from freight elevators, due to their worn appearance.

Service in the restaurant was surprisingly incompetent. On Saturday evening, Tina and I ordered the club burgers. Tina wanted hers without cheese and sauce, and with lemonade. The waiter took our order, then returned to ask me whether she wanted iced tea and no tomatoes! The burgers, surprisingly, were good quality. In contrast, service by hotel staff and in the bar were perfectly adequate.

We would not return to this hotel and would think twice about staying at any Red Lion on the basis of our experience.

Byron

On May 25, 2013, at 3:23 PM, H W <osierhenry@cs.com> wrote:

> Here are my thoughts about the CC31 Hotel.
>
> Location: It was nice to find out from the general manager that the highway was built around the hotel. That explains the wacky drag race of getting back on Parker to go down the street. It was also nice that it was close to the King Sooper store. Other stores were also a very close drive.
>
> Staff: Generally, hit and miss. I had great encounters with two of the front desk staff, particularly an older shorter woman and a fair haired younger man. There was a darker skinned woman who was an idiot. She did not seem to understand my simple question of “How far down Parker do I go before I get to Alameda?” One of their Shuttle Drivers did and was very helpful. As was a saleswoman and the general manager. Saturday night, I asked the same supervisor three times for water in room D for my judges, and the two men in the restaraunt before some finally showwed up.
>
> Food: There were a few items that were alright. The Friday dinner pasta bar was terrible. The items were warm and I think they just dumped a can of chopped tomatos in the pan for sauce. The sandwich buffet was lack luster. The burger buffet Saturday lunch time was alright. Julia Hyll recieved a cold bowl of soup in the bar Saturday night. Daren Bost said it took him two hours to get some nachos. The breakfast buffet, the one time I went, was alright, neither crappy or stellar.
>
> My Room: I was in the west tower and is was ok. Only had to ask the front desk once to have housekeeping make up my room. I do not know if they just had not made it there yet or missed me, so I mentioned it.
>
> I am very glad that the fire alarm did not go off during the con. It went off Wednesday night and the previous weekend. The humorous thing was that people in the bar did not budge or bat an eye when it happened Wednesday night.
>
> Henry
>
>

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From the audience, we thought it odd that there were lots of what appeared to be workmanship awards and only best of division and show presentation awards.

Byron

On May 25, 2013, at 3:42 PM, H W <osierhenry@cs.com> wrote:

> I ran it.
>
> Before I trash myself, I want to comment on the woman, I believe her name was Mary, who was running the green room. During my show, her attitude was very bad. One of the MAC’s volunteered to help, and after some confusion, she gave him lip, then her daughters did. She also pushed my judges. I found all this out after it happened.
>
> My contestants were very cool in the green room, which helped things there.
>
> Now, me.
>
> Yes, I should have had seperate workmanship judges. I had a hard time finding the judges I did.
>
> Apparently, most people felt that I did not give out enough awards. Eleven awards were given out in a field of 31 entries.
>
> If anyone lets me run a masquerade at a costume-con, I will have workmanship judges and give out more awards. But, I feel like that is never going to happen again.
>
> Henry
>
>

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I second Karen Heim’s remarks about  enjoying Henry’s company, and hoisting a beer with him.

but now after watching him as a con chair and especially as a masq director, twice at least)  everyone just needs to say no.

Henry, just step back and enjoy making costumes and have fun, and step away from admin positions for a while

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________________________________
From: Byron P Connell <byronpconnell@gmail.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: [runacc] CC31 SF&F Masquerade

From the audience, we thought it odd that there were lots of what appeared to be workmanship awards and only best of division and show presentation awards.

Byron

On May 25, 2013, at 3:42 PM, H W <osierhenry@cs.com> wrote:

> I ran it.
>
> Before I trash myself, I want to comment on the woman, I believe her name was Mary, who was running the green room. During my show, her attitude was very bad. One of the MAC’s volunteered to help, and after some confusion, she gave him lip, then her daughters did. She also pushed my judges. I found all this out after it happened.
>
> My contestants were very cool in the green room, which helped things there.
>
> Now, me.
>
> Yes, I should have had seperate workmanship judges. I had a hard time finding the judges I did.
>
> Apparently, most people felt that I did not give out enough awards. Eleven awards were given out in a field of 31 entries.
>
> If anyone lets me run a masquerade at a costume-con, I will have workmanship judges and give out more awards. But, I feel like that is never going to happen again.
>
> Henry
>
>

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I must agree with Byron, although our room had a comfy chair. The main problem in the restaurant seemed to be with the kitchen staff. While they were capable of turning out surprisingly good food, it took them most of an hour to get it to you. Every day the answer was the same – at least 3 people didn’t come in that day. We missed the Friday Night presentations entirely, and the first 8 entries on Saturday. I am not a big fan of hotel buffets, and the bar was no faster. Yup. No more Red Lions without road testing them.

Elaine

> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: byronpconnell@gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 11:18:49 -0400
> Subject: Re: [runacc] CC31 Hotel
>
> My one-word description of the hotel is “dim.” I found the dim lighting and tinted windows and mirrors in the public areas very depressing. Of course, it is possible that the dim lighting was intentional, to disguise the shabby surroundings: worn carpets in the halls and worn furniture in the lobby. This may reflect the recent sale of the property and the intent to convert the East Tower to a Radisson. Our East Tower room was marginal. While the lobby came with comfy (if worn) club chairs, the room had a stiff arm chair that looked like the ones in the restaurant; it was extremely uncomfortable. The room lighting was improved once we bought and substituted brighter bulbs that the 40 or 60 watt equivalents in the fixtures. We wondered whether the elevators had been converted from freight elevators, due to their worn appearance.
>
> Service in the restaurant was surprisingly incompetent. On Saturday evening, Tina and I ordered the club burgers. Tina wanted hers without cheese and sauce, and with lemonade. The waiter took our order, then returned to ask me whether she wanted iced tea and no tomatoes! The burgers, surprisingly, were good quality. In contrast, service by hotel staff and in the bar were perfectly adequate.
>
> We would not return to this hotel and would think twice about staying at any Red Lion on the basis of our experience.
>
> Byron
>
>
> On May 25, 2013, at 3:23 PM, H W <osierhenry@cs.com> wrote:
>
> > Here are my thoughts about the CC31 Hotel.
> >
> > Location: It was nice to find out from the general manager that the highway was built around the hotel. That explains the wacky drag race of getting back on Parker to go down the street. It was also nice that it was close to the King Sooper store. Other stores were also a very close drive.
> >
> > Staff: Generally, hit and miss. I had great encounters with two of the front desk staff, particularly an older shorter woman and a fair haired younger man. There was a darker skinned woman who was an idiot. She did not seem to understand my simple question of “How far down Parker do I go before I get to Alameda?” One of their Shuttle Drivers did and was very helpful. As was a saleswoman and the general manager. Saturday night, I asked the same supervisor three times for water in room D for my judges, and the two men in the restaraunt before some finally showwed up.
> >
> > Food: There were a few items that were alright. The Friday dinner pasta bar was terrible. The items were warm and I think they just dumped a can of chopped tomatos in the pan for sauce. The sandwich buffet was lack luster. The burger buffet Saturday lunch time was alright. Julia Hyll recieved a cold bowl of soup in the bar Saturday night. Daren Bost said it took him two hours to get some nachos. The breakfast buffet, the one time I went, was alright, neither crappy or stellar.
> >
> > My Room: I was in the west tower and is was ok. Only had to ask the front desk once to have housekeeping make up my room. I do not know if they just had not made it there yet or missed me, so I mentioned it.
> >
> > I am very glad that the fire alarm did not go off during the con. It went off Wednesday night and the previous weekend. The humorous thing was that people in the bar did not budge or bat an eye when it happened Wednesday night.
> >
> > Henry
> >
> >
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I don’t agree. I’ve been running masquerades, off and on, for over 20 years. There hasn’t been one where I haven’t screwed something up, including CC 10, Arisia 2002, CC 24, CC 25, several Philcons, Anticipation, CC 29, and ChiCon 7. Going into ChiCon, Henry had done every major job in a masquerade except green room manager, so that’s the job I gave him. He performed superbly. (That wasn’t one of my ChiCon screw-ups.)

Some of us believe that Henry screwed some things up. So? The MD is Ghod, after all. He makes the rules, organizes the show, and chooses the judges. What do you do if you don’t like what Ghod did? I’ve acknowledged my screw-ups as Ghod; I’ve never apologized for them publicly.

Byron

On May 27, 2013, at 11:29 AM, Gravely MacCabre <gravelymac@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I second Karen Heim’s remarks about enjoying Henry’s company, and hoisting a beer with him.
>
> but now after watching him as a con chair and especially as a masq director, twice at least) everyone just needs to say no.
>
> Henry, just step back and enjoy making costumes and have fun, and step away from admin positions for a while
>
>
> Gravely MacCabre
> http://www.castleblood.com
> http://facebook.com/gravelymaccabre
> http://etsy.com/shops/gravelymaccabre
>
> tv show clip samples at
> http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood
>
> ________________________________
> From: Byron P Connell <byronpconnell@gmail.com>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 11:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [runacc] CC31 SF&F Masquerade
>
>
> From the audience, we thought it odd that there were lots of what appeared to be workmanship awards and only best of division and show presentation awards.
>
> Byron
>
> On May 25, 2013, at 3:42 PM, H W <osierhenry@cs.com> wrote:
>
> > I ran it.
> >
> > Before I trash myself, I want to comment on the woman, I believe her name was Mary, who was running the green room. During my show, her attitude was very bad. One of the MAC’s volunteered to help, and after some confusion, she gave him lip, then her daughters did. She also pushed my judges. I found all this out after it happened.
> >
> > My contestants were very cool in the green room, which helped things there.
> >
> > Now, me.
> >
> > Yes, I should have had seperate workmanship judges. I had a hard time finding the judges I did.
> >
> > Apparently, most people felt that I did not give out enough awards. Eleven awards were given out in a field of 31 entries.
> >
> > If anyone lets me run a masquerade at a costume-con, I will have workmanship judges and give out more awards. But, I feel like that is never going to happen again.
> >
> > Henry
> >
> >
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Byron, you are right of course, ( other than the fact that I never hear people bitch about stuff you do) so what do I do if I dont like what ghod does?
I suggest people might refrain from going to that church again, thats all. and I was probably out of line to say that henry impose that on himself.

and there are many times that no one else raises a hand to do a job, so, we sometimes choose the flawed ghod we know. point taken

Gravely MacCabre
http://www.castleblood.com
http://facebook.com/gravelymaccabre
http://etsy.com/shops/gravelymaccabre

tv show clip samples at
http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood

________________________________
From: Byron P Connell <byronpconnell@gmail.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] CC31 SF&F Masquerade

I don’t agree.  I’ve been running masquerades, off and on, for over 20 years.  There hasn’t been one where I haven’t screwed something up, including CC 10, Arisia 2002, CC 24, CC 25, several Philcons, Anticipation, CC 29, and ChiCon 7.  Going into ChiCon, Henry had done every major job in a masquerade except green room manager, so that’s the job I gave him.  He performed superbly.  (That wasn’t one of my ChiCon screw-ups.)

Some of us believe that Henry screwed some things up.  So?  The MD is Ghod, after all.  He makes the rules, organizes the show, and chooses the judges.  What do you do if you don’t like what Ghod did?  I’ve acknowledged my screw-ups as Ghod; I’ve never apologized for them publicly.

Byron

On May 27, 2013, at 11:29 AM, Gravely MacCabre <gravelymac@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I second Karen Heim’s remarks about  enjoying Henry’s company, and hoisting a beer with him.
>
> but now after watching him as a con chair and especially as a masq director, twice at least)  everyone just needs to say no.
>
> Henry, just step back and enjoy making costumes and have fun, and step away from admin positions for a while
>
>
> Gravely MacCabre
> http://www.castleblood.com
> http://facebook.com/gravelymaccabre
> http://etsy.com/shops/gravelymaccabre
>
> tv show clip samples at
> http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood
>
> ________________________________
> From: Byron P Connell <byronpconnell@gmail.com>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 11:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [runacc] CC31 SF&F Masquerade
>
>
> From the audience, we thought it odd that there were lots of what appeared to be workmanship awards and only best of division and show presentation awards.
>
> Byron
>
> On May 25, 2013, at 3:42 PM, H W <osierhenry@cs.com> wrote:
>
> > I ran it.
> >
> > Before I trash myself, I want to comment on the woman, I believe her name was Mary, who was running the green room. During my show, her attitude was very bad. One of the MAC’s volunteered to help, and after some confusion, she gave him lip, then her daughters did. She also pushed my judges. I found all this out after it happened.
> >
> > My contestants were very cool in the green room, which helped things there.
> >
> > Now, me.
> >
> > Yes, I should have had seperate workmanship judges. I had a hard time finding the judges I did.
> >
> > Apparently, most people felt that I did not give out enough awards. Eleven awards were given out in a field of 31 entries.
> >
> > If anyone lets me run a masquerade at a costume-con, I will have workmanship judges and give out more awards. But, I feel like that is never going to happen again.
> >
> > Henry
> >
> >
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Ricky,

After CC28, I worked eight conventions. Last year, six. This year, four, and two of them are what I call day jobs, things I can do in a day. I want to start going to cons again for the fun of it. And it is going to take some work to get to that point.

Karen Heim,

How many masquerades you run lately? How many conventions you work lately? I expected you to compete.

To everyone,

I could ask “Gee, should I have waited for everyone to say something, or just waited for the silent fall-out repercussions?” But, too late for that. I stood up on my two hind legs and ‘fessed up. And I am not going try dodging the bullets by saying “Well, I ran the list of awards past Mike, and he didn’t say anything.” My masquerade, my decisions. I did not do my best and I admitted it. I am not asking for everyone’s forgiveness. I decided to state what I heard was being said and confess to my errors.

And there is one question that no one has asked me.

Henry

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Gravely MacCabre <gravelymac@…> wrote:
>
> Byron, you are right of course, ( other than the fact that I never hear people bitch about stuff you do) so what do I do if I dont like what ghod does?
> I suggest people might refrain from going to that church again, thats all. and I was probably out of line to say that henry impose that on himself.
>
> and there are many times that no one else raises a hand to do a job, so, we sometimes choose the flawed ghod we know. point taken
>
>
>
> Gravely MacCabre
> http://www.castleblood.com
> http://facebook.com/gravelymaccabre
> http://etsy.com/shops/gravelymaccabre
>

RE: running masquerades

Now that’s an unfair question and you know it. Cons around here have MDs who run it every year; no openings available. As for CC, committees aren’t exactly falling over themselves asking me to do anything, and that is their choice. I participate as I feel able or competent. Fair enough that you thought I would compete; a simple email would have verified it one way or the other.

Karen

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “H W” <osierhenry@…> wrote:
>
> Karen Heim,
>
> How many masquerades you run lately? How many conventions you work lately? I expected you to compete.
>
> To everyone,
>
> I could ask “Gee, should I have waited for everyone to say something, or just waited for the silent fall-out repercussions?” But, too late for that. I stood up on my two hind legs and ‘fessed up. And I am not going try dodging the bullets by saying “Well, I ran the list of awards past Mike, and he didn’t say anything.” My masquerade, my decisions. I did not do my best and I admitted it. I am not asking for everyone’s forgiveness. I decided to state what I heard was being said and confess to my errors.
>
> And there is one question that no one has asked me.
>
> Henry
>

Karen —

What are you doing for the LoneStarCon masquerade? I know Jill Eastlake is looking for staff.

Byron

On May 28, 2013, at 6:03 PM, axejudge <axejudge@accessus.net> wrote:

> RE: running masquerades
>
> Now that’s an unfair question and you know it. Cons around here have MDs who run it every year; no openings available. As for CC, committees aren’t exactly falling over themselves asking me to do anything, and that is their choice. I participate as I feel able or competent. Fair enough that you thought I would compete; a simple email would have verified it one way or the other.
>
> Karen
>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “H W” <osierhenry@…> wrote:
> >
> > Karen Heim,
> >
> > How many masquerades you run lately? How many conventions you work lately? I expected you to compete.
> >
> > To everyone,
> >
> > I could ask “Gee, should I have waited for everyone to say something, or just waited for the silent fall-out repercussions?” But, too late for that. I stood up on my two hind legs and ‘fessed up. And I am not going try dodging the bullets by saying “Well, I ran the list of awards past Mike, and he didn’t say anything.” My masquerade, my decisions. I did not do my best and I admitted it. I am not asking for everyone’s forgiveness. I decided to state what I heard was being said and confess to my errors.
> >
> > And there is one question that no one has asked me.
> >
> > Henry
> >
>
>

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> > Now that’s an unfair question and you know it. Cons around here have MDs
> who run it every year; no openings available. As for CC, committees aren’t
> exactly falling over themselves asking me to do anything, and that is their
> choice. I participate as I feel able or competent.
>

For the record, I didn’t wait around for Michael to fall over himself, I
went to him when I heard about his bid and asked for a Masquerade because I
thought I’d be ready. I’ve found that waiting around often produces no
results, you’ve got to put yourself out there.

~Aurora

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I no longer attend Worldcons. They are too expensive.

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Byron P Connell <byronpconnell@…> wrote:
>
> Karen —
>
> What are you doing for the LoneStarCon masquerade? I know Jill Eastlake is looking for staff.
>
> Byron
>
>
> On May 28, 2013, at 6:03 PM, axejudge <axejudge@…> wrote:
>
> > RE: running masquerades
> >
> > Now that’s an unfair question and you know it. Cons around here have MDs who run it every year; no openings available. As for CC, committees aren’t exactly falling over themselves asking me to do anything, and that is their choice. I participate as I feel able or competent. Fair enough that you thought I would compete; a simple email would have verified it one way or the other.
> >
> > Karen
> >
> > — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “H W” <osierhenry@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Karen Heim,
> > >
> > > How many masquerades you run lately? How many conventions you work lately? I expected you to compete.
> > >
> > > To everyone,
> > >
> > > I could ask “Gee, should I have waited for everyone to say something, or just waited for the silent fall-out repercussions?” But, too late for that. I stood up on my two hind legs and ‘fessed up. And I am not going try dodging the bullets by saying “Well, I ran the list of awards past Mike, and he didn’t say anything.” My masquerade, my decisions. I did not do my best and I admitted it. I am not asking for everyone’s forgiveness. I decided to state what I heard was being said and confess to my errors.
> > >
> > > And there is one question that no one has asked me.
> > >
> > > Henry
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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>

Sarah, I will not speak on behalf of other judges, nor can I comment liberally on what
we all know is traditionally a verboden topic, “what goes on in the judging chambers”,
but I myself specifically asked Henry about the reasons for his method and he was very open
about his reasoning which had noble intent.

As somebody pointed out earlier in this thread, there is an understood rule that “The Masquerade
Director is GOHD”and we should all strive to be respectful of our Masquerade Directors and work as
part of a TEAM when we are on the masquerade crew.

Even if I may do things differently myself when I am director of a masquerade, I respect
Henry for openly standing by his decision and not laying blame elsewhere.

P.S. On another note the judges were all wonderful and very thoughtful in their selections, and our clerk
was above and beyond terrific. 🙂

Dawn McKechnie – Costume-Con 32 Chair.
Toronto, ON – April 25-28 2014
www.costumecon32.com

> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: berzerker.prime@gmail.com

” someone among the judges needed to speak up with the Director.”

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If you haven’t been reading this string you should give it a look.
Amongst the sturm und drang are some valid points and interesting ideas.

For instance:
renting equipment for the photographer if he has to travel
covering that equipment under the con insurance
including ordering information in the reg packets
making sure that a full set of photos is donated to the Archives (my personal favorite)

Shall we discuss?

As a former CC chair and a *very* veteran attendee, I agree with all of those points. The third & fourth items are my faves, followed by insuring all tech equipment. Renting is an option I would take if the pro I wanted for *my* con couldn’t afford to trek their stuff across the country, but wanted to attend.
Elaine

If you haven’t been reading this string you should give it a look.

Amongst the sturm und drang are some valid points and interesting ideas.

For instance:

renting equipment for the photographer if he has to travel

covering that equipment under the con insurance

including ordering information in the reg packets

making sure that a full set of photos is donated to the Archives (my personal favorite)

Shall we discuss?

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While I do not have access to its details, at ChiCon 7, official photography had its own budget lines, as it ought at any con (in my opinion). In addition, in my opinion, any con should carry sufficient liability insurance (usually in the form of an “inland marine” policy) to cover the potential costs of damage or injury. This ought to be regarded as an obligation, the same as paying the ASCAP/BMI license fees to use music at its events.

Neither Costume-Con nor any other con is an ICG function. If a CC decides to donate a set of photos to the archives, well and good. Presumably, it has budgeted the expense. If not, the ICG ought to be prepared to pay for a set if it wants one (says someone who has, in the past, paid personally for the archive’s copy).

Byron

On May 31, 2013, at 7:09 PM, “Nora” <von_drago@yahoo.com> wrote:

> If you haven’t been reading this string you should give it a look.
> Amongst the sturm und drang are some valid points and interesting ideas.
>
> For instance:
> renting equipment for the photographer if he has to travel
> covering that equipment under the con insurance
> including ordering information in the reg packets
> making sure that a full set of photos is donated to the Archives (my personal favorite)
>
> Shall we discuss?
>
>

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Currently the ICG Archives are in a position to purchase, they have some
budget now. In the past it has certainly been paid for by others (thank you
Byron) including the current Archivists with no thought to re-imbursement
(essentially donated) and that will probably happen again. And some CCs have
donated a set of photos to the Archives.
It is up to each CC to make the decision whether to acquire a set for the
Archives if they’re interested, and budget for it. I’m not saying it should
come out of the photog’s pocket, I’d just like it to be more consistent.

Actually the CC site needs those photos too. It would probably be redundant
to ask for two sets but if a set were donated to the Archives it would then
be shared to the CC site for their records while the Archives retained the
original set for historical purposes.

Nora

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From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Byron Connell
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 8:34 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] photo discussion on the ICG-D list

While I do not have access to its details, at ChiCon 7, official photography
had its own budget lines, as it ought at any con (in my opinion). In
addition, in my opinion, any con should carry sufficient liability insurance
(usually in the form of an “inland marine” policy) to cover the potential
costs of damage or injury. This ought to be regarded as an obligation, the
same as paying the ASCAP/BMI license fees to use music at its events.

Neither Costume-Con nor any other con is an ICG function. If a CC decides
to donate a set of photos to the archives, well and good. Presumably, it
has budgeted the expense. If not, the ICG ought to be prepared to pay for a
set if it wants one (says someone who has, in the past, paid personally for
the archive’s copy).

Byron

On May 31, 2013, at 7:09 PM, “Nora” <von_drago@yahoo.com> wrote:

> If you haven’t been reading this string you should give it a look.
> Amongst the sturm und drang are some valid points and interesting ideas.
>
> For instance:
> renting equipment for the photographer if he has to travel covering
> that equipment under the con insurance including ordering information
> in the reg packets making sure that a full set of photos is donated to
> the Archives (my personal favorite)
>
> Shall we discuss?
>
>

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I am prompted to write this here because of Nora’s requests on the ICG-D
list for the Doll contest participants and awards, and Kevin’s for the
Single Pattern Contest.

Back in the golden age, when I still was able to function as Costume-Con
Archivist, I found myself begging for event participant run lists and award
lists. Every. Single. Year.

I haven’t been able to attend a CC since 27 and I stepped down as Archivist
for 25.
Why are people still having to ask for this data? It should be a given by
now, and if it isn’t included in the ConStitution, it should be.

1. The documenting of our event participants and their awards (if any) is a
requirement at each Costume-Con, and Event Directors (Science
Fiction/Fantasy, Historical, Single Pattern, etc.) should plan to provide
this information *automatically* without question to whomever serves as CC
Archivist, for including in the online Costume-Con Archives.

Photographs should be arranged for ALL competitions and displays, for
archival purposes. Photographs should include any paper documentation (if
possible) to assist with labeling photographs received, and any printed
guides (for the exhibits or otherwise) should also be provided.

2. The current Costume-Con Archivist should be published on the site
clearly, so that CC event directors know to whom they need to send the
material.

My constant begging onsite was still insufficient to get the information
when people failed to be organized about keeping it.

Awards lists, while great for stoking egos onsite and after, are incomplete
information.

C’mon folks! It’s not that hard to get this information where it belongs.

Betsy

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http://www.hawkeswood.com/

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A side note: I had already posted the run order & awards for the SP before
Kevin asked for them.
Just so’s you know.

Nora

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From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Betsy Marks Delaney
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 6:27 AM
To: List, Run a CC
Subject: [runacc] At last, motivation to write something…

I am prompted to write this here because of Nora’s requests on the ICG-D
list for the Doll contest participants and awards, and Kevin’s for the
Single Pattern Contest.

Back in the golden age, when I still was able to function as Costume-Con
Archivist, I found myself begging for event participant run lists and award
lists. Every. Single. Year.

I haven’t been able to attend a CC since 27 and I stepped down as Archivist
for 25.
Why are people still having to ask for this data? It should be a given by
now, and if it isn’t included in the ConStitution, it should be.

1. The documenting of our event participants and their awards (if any) is a
requirement at each Costume-Con, and Event Directors (Science
Fiction/Fantasy, Historical, Single Pattern, etc.) should plan to provide
this information *automatically* without question to whomever serves as CC
Archivist, for including in the online Costume-Con Archives.

Photographs should be arranged for ALL competitions and displays, for
archival purposes. Photographs should include any paper documentation (if
possible) to assist with labeling photographs received, and any printed
guides (for the exhibits or otherwise) should also be provided.

2. The current Costume-Con Archivist should be published on the site
clearly, so that CC event directors know to whom they need to send the
material.

My constant begging onsite was still insufficient to get the information
when people failed to be organized about keeping it.

Awards lists, while great for stoking egos onsite and after, are incomplete
information.

C’mon folks! It’s not that hard to get this information where it belongs.

Betsy

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http://www.hawkeswood.com/

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I did notice. I just wish I didn’t see the requests going up because the
info was neatly organized and handed to the archivist(s) at or immediately
after the con, without needing a request at all.

At least there was one good thing: I just read through the ConStitution for
the first time in about 8 years, and discovered it was still listing my old
Bowie address. Obviously the doc needs updating so now would be an
excellent time to gather together and review it for other
additions/corrections. And I understand that there’s a distinct need for a
web manager for the site, so if anyone is interested in stepping up, please
say something. The site’s not hard to maintain and if you have Gallery
experience already, that’s a big plus.

I can’t – chances continue to go down that I’ll attend Toronto next year as
it falls smack in the middle of the semester and will likely not be during
my spring break, and I’m in no position to resume those responsibilities.

The docs are here: http://www.costume-con.org/constitution.shtml

Thanks!

Betsy

On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 7:19 PM, Nora & Bruce Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> A side note: I had already posted the run order & awards for the SP before
> Kevin asked for them.
> Just so’s you know.
>
> Nora
>
> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Betsy Marks Delaney
> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 6:27 AM
> To: List, Run a CC
> Subject: [runacc] At last, motivation to write something…
>
> I am prompted to write this here because of Nora’s requests on the ICG-D
> list for the Doll contest participants and awards, and Kevin’s for the
> Single Pattern Contest.
>
> Back in the golden age, when I still was able to function as Costume-Con
> Archivist, I found myself begging for event participant run lists and award
> lists. Every. Single. Year.
>
> I haven’t been able to attend a CC since 27 and I stepped down as Archivist
> for 25.
> Why are people still having to ask for this data? It should be a given by
> now, and if it isn’t included in the ConStitution, it should be.
>
> 1. The documenting of our event participants and their awards (if any) is a
> requirement at each Costume-Con, and Event Directors (Science
> Fiction/Fantasy, Historical, Single Pattern, etc.) should plan to provide
> this information *automatically* without question to whomever serves as CC
> Archivist, for including in the online Costume-Con Archives.
>
> Photographs should be arranged for ALL competitions and displays, for
> archival purposes. Photographs should include any paper documentation (if
> possible) to assist with labeling photographs received, and any printed
> guides (for the exhibits or otherwise) should also be provided.
>
> 2. The current Costume-Con Archivist should be published on the site
> clearly, so that CC event directors know to whom they need to send the
> material.
>
>
> My constant begging onsite was still insufficient to get the information
> when people failed to be organized about keeping it.
>
> Awards lists, while great for stoking egos onsite and after, are incomplete
> information.
>
> C’mon folks! It’s not that hard to get this information where it belongs.
>
> Betsy
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> http://www.hawkeswood.com/
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little of the contact info on the constitution is valid anymore. that phone numbers been dead since 2010, it was the old castle blood business number.

Gravely MacCabre
http://www.castleblood.com
http://facebook.com/gravelymaccabre
http://etsy.com/shops/gravelymaccabre

tv show clip samples at
http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood

________________________________
From: Betsy Marks Delaney <aramintamd@gmail.com>
To: “List, Run a CC” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] At last, motivation to write something…

I did notice. I just wish I didn’t see the requests going up because the
info was neatly organized and handed to the archivist(s) at or immediately
after the con, without needing a request at all.

At least there was one good thing: I just read through the ConStitution for
the first time in about 8 years, and discovered it was still listing my old
Bowie address. Obviously the doc needs updating so now would be an
excellent time to gather together and review it for other
additions/corrections. And I understand that there’s a distinct need for a
web manager for the site, so if anyone is interested in stepping up, please
say something. The site’s not hard to maintain and if you have Gallery
experience already, that’s a big plus.

I can’t – chances continue to go down that I’ll attend Toronto next year as
it falls smack in the middle of the semester and will likely not be during
my spring break, and I’m in no position to resume those responsibilities.

The docs are here: http://www.costume-con.org/constitution.shtml

Thanks!

Betsy

On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 7:19 PM, Nora & Bruce Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> A side note: I had already posted the run order & awards for the SP before
> Kevin asked for them.
> Just so’s you know.
>
> Nora
>
> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Betsy Marks Delaney
> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 6:27 AM
> To: List, Run a CC
> Subject: [runacc] At last, motivation to write something…
>
> I am prompted to write this here because of Nora’s requests on the ICG-D
> list for the Doll contest participants and awards, and Kevin’s for the
> Single Pattern Contest.
>
> Back in the golden age, when I still was able to function as Costume-Con
> Archivist, I found myself begging for event participant run lists and award
> lists. Every. Single. Year.
>
> I haven’t been able to attend a CC since 27 and I stepped down as Archivist
> for 25.
> Why are people still having to ask for this data? It should be a given by
> now, and if it isn’t included in the ConStitution, it should be.
>
> 1. The documenting of our event participants and their awards (if any) is a
> requirement at each Costume-Con, and Event Directors (Science
> Fiction/Fantasy, Historical, Single Pattern, etc.) should plan to provide
> this information *automatically* without question to whomever serves as CC
> Archivist, for including in the online Costume-Con Archives.
>
> Photographs should be arranged for ALL competitions and displays, for
> archival purposes. Photographs should include any paper documentation (if
> possible) to assist with labeling photographs received, and any printed
> guides (for the exhibits or otherwise) should also be provided.
>
> 2. The current Costume-Con Archivist should be published on the site
> clearly, so that CC event directors know to whom they need to send the
> material.
>
>
> My constant begging onsite was still insufficient to get the information
> when people failed to be organized about keeping it.
>
> Awards lists, while great for stoking egos onsite and after, are incomplete
> information.
>
> C’mon folks! It’s not that hard to get this information where it belongs.
>
> Betsy
>
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> —
> Betsy Marks Delaney
>
> http://www.hawkeswood.com/
>
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> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo!
> Groups
> Links
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> Checked by AVG – www.avg.com
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http://www.hawkeswood.com/

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Moving over here for what may or may not be idle speculation:

Could someone purchase an event “ticket”/”membership” to enter an event,
not just attend? Or would the need for a rehearsal time outside of the
membership be used to make this invalid?

On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Kaijugal . <kaijugal@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I agree. This is something I feel that we may adopt for CC32. ^_^ It’s not
> an upcharge but a select ticket and
> it makes sense. 🙂
>
> Dawn McKechnie – Costume-Con 32 Chair.
> Toronto, ON – April 25-28 2014
> www.costumecon32.com
>
> To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com
> From: wilberforcebarb@yahoo.ca
> Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 11:16:43 -0700
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i think they need at least the full one day pass to compete that day. I would not argue if the rule was full attending memberships, but that is above my pay grade to decide

Gravely MacCabre
http://www.castleblood.com
http://facebook.com/gravelymaccabre
http://etsy.com/shops/gravelymaccabre

tv show clip samples at
http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood

________________________________
From: Aurora Celeste <auroraceleste@gmail.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 9:08 PM
Subject: [runacc] Re: [ICG-D] Cons and membership upgrades

Moving over here for what may or may not be idle speculation:

Could someone purchase an event “ticket”/”membership” to enter an event,
not just attend? Or would the need for a rehearsal time outside of the
membership be used to make this invalid?

On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Kaijugal . <kaijugal@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I agree. This is something I feel that we may adopt for CC32. ^_^ It’s not
> an upcharge but a select ticket and
> it makes sense. 🙂
>
> Dawn McKechnie – Costume-Con 32 Chair.
> Toronto, ON – April 25-28 2014
> www.costumecon32.com
>
> To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com
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> Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 11:16:43 -0700
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I agree. At least a one-day membership.

Byron

On Jun 3, 2013, at 9:14 PM, Gravely MacCabre <gravelymac@yahoo.com> wrote:

> i think they need at least the full one day pass to compete that day. I would not argue if the rule was full attending memberships, but that is above my pay grade to decide
>
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> Gravely MacCabre
> http://www.castleblood.com
> http://facebook.com/gravelymaccabre
> http://etsy.com/shops/gravelymaccabre
>
> tv show clip samples at
> http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood
>
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> From: Aurora Celeste <auroraceleste@gmail.com>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 9:08 PM
> Subject: [runacc] Re: [ICG-D] Cons and membership upgrades
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> Could someone purchase an event “ticket”/”membership” to enter an event,
> not just attend? Or would the need for a rehearsal time outside of the
> membership be used to make this invalid?
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> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Kaijugal . <kaijugal@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > I agree. This is something I feel that we may adopt for CC32. ^_^ It’s not
> > an upcharge but a select ticket and
> > it makes sense. 🙂
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> > Dawn McKechnie – Costume-Con 32 Chair.
> > Toronto, ON – April 25-28 2014
> > www.costumecon32.com
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You’d have to ask Henry but I know that one entrant at CC31 wanted to just
enter the FSF and (I think) Henry told him that he’d probably have to pay
for at least a one-day, Saturday.
I overheard part of this cause I was taking entrants for the SP right next
to him, but he’d have to give you the factual details.

Nora

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Aurora Celeste
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 8:08 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] Re: [ICG-D] Cons and membership upgrades

Moving over here for what may or may not be idle speculation:

Could someone purchase an event “ticket”/”membership” to enter an event,
not just attend? Or would the need for a rehearsal time outside of the
membership be used to make this invalid?

On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Kaijugal . <kaijugal@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I agree. This is something I feel that we may adopt for CC32. ^_^ It’s not
> an upcharge but a select ticket and
> it makes sense. 🙂
>
> Dawn McKechnie – Costume-Con 32 Chair.
> Toronto, ON – April 25-28 2014
> www.costumecon32.com
>
> To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com
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I think what is being discussed is a pass just to watch an evening masquerade for
moms and dads and friends and whatnot.

Dawn McKechnie – Costume-Con 32 Chair.
Toronto, ON – April 25-28 2014
www.costumecon32.com

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: auroraceleste@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 21:08:05 -0400
Subject: [runacc] Re: [ICG-D] Cons and membership upgrades

Moving over here for what may or may not be idle speculation:

Could someone purchase an event “ticket”/”membership” to enter an event,

not just attend? Or would the need for a rehearsal time outside of the

membership be used to make this invalid?

On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Kaijugal . <kaijugal@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I agree. This is something I feel that we may adopt for CC32. ^_^ It’s not

> an upcharge but a select ticket and

> it makes sense. 🙂

>

> Dawn McKechnie – Costume-Con 32 Chair.

> Toronto, ON – April 25-28 2014

> www.costumecon32.com

>

> To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com

> From: wilberforcebarb@yahoo.ca

> Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 11:16:43 -0700

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Well, that depends.

The question of how much membership one has to have in order to compete is
not addressed in the ConStitution and has been left up to the individual CC
organizers, so there is no consistent policy either with the availability
of event passes (a better name, I think, than tickets for a variety of
reasons) or with what the minimum membership requirements should be for
allowing competition.

It’s been almost 10 years since I had my head in the document and over 15
since the document was written. I no longer recall all the details that
went into what we included and did not include in its structure. There were
reasons why we opted not to include the finer details (what memberships
should cover, etc) which I think had to do with the differences between how
each conference determined its costs. Whether to include publications or
not, how much those publications cost, room rates and so on – all of these
affect the cost of a membership because in theory the membership is
supposed to cover all the expenses with perhaps a little left over as
cushion against the unexpected, to be paid forward to future CCs once the
books have been balanced, all accounts payable brought back to zero and
everyone reimbursed for expenses as defined by the organization.

That leaves us with the nearly annual discussion of what a membership
should cover and what the minimum requirements should be for entering
competition.

It’s a fine line between offering enough to justify the cost of the
membership and covering the costs by ensuring enough memberships are sold.
That’s why the CCXV budget had so many sliding budget totals. Some of the
expenses were fixed. Others were…less fixed. And some of the found money
helped cover surprise expenses. I can’t speak for the other CCs and the
dollar amounts for CCXV look abnormally small considering today’s costs,
but if you expand for the rate of inflation, the expenses only change by
what you decide the CC is willing to cover in exchange for the membership.

If the stats hold true, most of the membership sales occur within the 9
months prior to the con itself. So if you have advance things that need to
be covered, you need to account for the costs. If you can afford, once the
time goes by, to allow one-day memberships, setting the price of that
membership is based on what the person receives as a result.

Hope this makes sense. As I mentioned offlist yesterday, it’s all sliding
scale, starting with the most expensive (Full-price) membership and is
reduced by discount from there. Upcharges are deceptive and can generate
ill will. People are generally happier if they think they’re getting
something for slightly less, even if that slightly less also includes
reduced access to certain things.

If you can afford to give discounts, that’s what you should do. If not,
then the full price membership is the only way to go. Allowing for early
bird discounts gives the buyer incentive to give you money to spend in
advance.

IMNSHO, that’s how you should be looking at the membership structure for
any given event, not just CC.

Does that make sense?

Betsy

On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Kaijugal . <kaijugal@hotmail.com> wrote:

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> I think what is being discussed is a pass just to watch an evening
> masquerade for
> moms and dads and friends and whatnot.
>
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> Dawn McKechnie – Costume-Con 32 Chair.
> Toronto, ON – April 25-28 2014
> www.costumecon32.com
>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: auroraceleste@gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 21:08:05 -0400
> Subject: [runacc] Re: [ICG-D] Cons and membership upgrades
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> not just attend? Or would the need for a rehearsal time outside of the
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> membership be used to make this invalid?
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> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Kaijugal . <kaijugal@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > I agree. This is something I feel that we may adopt for CC32. ^_^ It’s
> not
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> > an upcharge but a select ticket and
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> > it makes sense. 🙂
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> > Dawn McKechnie – Costume-Con 32 Chair.
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> > Toronto, ON – April 25-28 2014
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> > To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com
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My impression is that this thread started out that way, but got blended into/segued into “what sort of membership or admission would someone have to pay to compete/perform in a competition” (since only members may do so), hence the comments about rehearsal time in addition to the actual competition time. Rehearsals are normally earlier in the day, which would probably mean a one-day membership.

A “friends and family pass” rate would be a good thing, if there is likely to be a demand for such. Might even get some extra onlookers hooked on our hobby (the Gosh Wow! effect).

Tina

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Kaijugal .” <kaijugal@…> wrote:
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> I think what is being discussed is a pass just to watch an evening masquerade for
> moms and dads and friends and whatnot.
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> Dawn McKechnie – Costume-Con 32 Chair.
> Toronto, ON – April 25-28 2014
> www.costumecon32.com
>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: auroraceleste@…
> Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 21:08:05 -0400
> Subject: [runacc] Re: [ICG-D] Cons and membership upgrades
>

>
> Moving over here for what may or may not be idle speculation:
>
> Could someone purchase an event “ticket”/”membership” to enter an event,
>
> not just attend? Or would the need for a rehearsal time outside of the
>
> membership be used to make this invalid?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Kaijugal . <kaijugal@…> wrote:
>
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> > I agree. This is something I feel that we may adopt for CC32. ^_^ It’s not
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>
> > it makes sense. 🙂
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> > Dawn McKechnie – Costume-Con 32 Chair.
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> > www.costumecon32.com
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> > To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com
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> > From: wilberforcebarb@…
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> > Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 11:16:43 -0700
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> > Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Cons and membership upgrades
>
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> > I like the idea of something that allows local family and friends
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> > who may have no interest in the rest of the con in to see the masquerades.
>

It has always been my understanding that to enter a masquerade, you
have to have at least a one day membership for the day of the
masquerade.

Michael

On 2013-06-04 04:16, Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:
> You’d have to ask Henry but I know that one entrant at CC31 wanted to
> just
> enter the FSF and (I think) Henry told him that he’d probably have to
> pay
> for at least a one-day, Saturday.
> I overheard part of this cause I was taking entrants for the SP right
> next
> to him, but he’d have to give you the factual details.
>
> Nora
>

At 06:27 AM 6/3/2013, you wrote:

Must agree with Betsy. This is always an on-going struggle. Not just
from Costume-Cons, but conventions in general. It amazes me that some
MDs don’t seem to actually keep records of their events. Not just old
ones, but ones just completed.

The Archivists (me, Bruce and Nora Mai) would always appreciate this
information; not just a winners list, but a complete list of the
running order and staff. If anyone has this for ANY masquerade,
please forward it to us. Our e-mails are in our posts.

Older masquerades are particularly appreciated.

Pierre

> I am prompted to write this here because of Nora’s requests on the ICG-D
>list for the Doll contest participants and awards, and Kevin’s for the
>Single Pattern Contest.
>
>Back in the golden age, when I still was able to function as Costume-Con
>Archivist, I found myself begging for event participant run lists and award
>lists. Every. Single. Year.
>
>I haven’t been able to attend a CC since 27 and I stepped down as Archivist
>for 25.
>Why are people still having to ask for this data? It should be a given by
>now, and if it isn’t included in the ConStitution, it should be.
>
>1. The documenting of our event participants and their awards (if any) is a
>requirement at each Costume-Con, and Event Directors (Science
>Fiction/Fantasy, Historical, Single Pattern, etc.) should plan to provide
>this information *automatically* without question to whomever serves as CC
>Archivist, for including in the online Costume-Con Archives.
>
>Photographs should be arranged for ALL competitions and displays, for
>archival purposes. Photographs should include any paper documentation (if
>possible) to assist with labeling photographs received, and any printed
>guides (for the exhibits or otherwise) should also be provided.
>
>2. The current Costume-Con Archivist should be published on the site
>clearly, so that CC event directors know to whom they need to send the
>material.
>
>My constant begging onsite was still insufficient to get the information
>when people failed to be organized about keeping it.
>
>Awards lists, while great for stoking egos onsite and after, are incomplete
>information.
>
>C’mon folks! It’s not that hard to get this information where it belongs.
>
>Betsy
>Betsy Marks Delaney
><http://www.hawkeswood.com/>http://www.hawkeswood.com/

International Costumers’ Guild Archivist

http://www.costume.org/gallery2/main.php

“Those Who Fail to Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly –
Why They Are Simply Doomed.”

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C. Y. 4971

Andromeda

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Nora,
You are correct. I could not think of the correct answer. I believe
Aurora suggested to him he go talk to Registration. He bought a one-day
membership. That was the Darth Maul Cyborg.
Henry

In a message dated 6/5/2013 2:57:08 AM Central Daylight Time,
runacc@yahoogroups.com writes:

> 1a. Re: [ICG-D] Cons and membership upgrades
> Posted by: “Nora &Bruce Mai” casamai@sbcglobal.net casamai
> Date: Tue Jun 4, 2013 4:15 am ((PDT))
>
> You’d have to ask Henry but I know that one entrant at CC31 wanted to just
> enter the FSF and (I think) Henry told him that he’d probably have to pay
> for at least a one-day, Saturday.
> I overheard part of this cause I was taking entrants for the SP right next
> to him, but he’d have to give you the factual details.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Not that I want to derail the current topic entirely (it’s good to discuss, I’m reading avidly) but I’m reminded of something I’ve been intending to ask the runacc conclave for a few months now. No time like the present, given the topic.

While I’ve never personally directed a masquerade, I’ve competed in more than I can count, judged somewhere around 8-10, and lived in the same household as two directors, as well as been to 4 CCs now. I feel like I have a pretty good grasp of how a quality masquerade is run and judged. That’s not to say I’m not going to take a few steps to double-reassure myself but that’s not for this discussion. But given the foibles seen at CC31, which I’m also not going to review just now, there has been a lot of talk of “but CC is different!”

HOW different?

I want to know whether there are any actual structural, logistical differences between CostumeCon and any major genre convention that uses ICG guidelines (Archon, CONvergence, etc), or if the difference is only in expectations. Because when I break down the details, from where I sit, it looks like the way the masquerade is run is pretty much exactly the same as anything I’ve judged, competed in, or helped run. The only difference that I can see is that there are subjective expectations that differ from genre cons. And, anyone who has spent any length of time hanging around CC vets will pick up some of that subjectivity by listening to their opinions.

This matters to me because I wanted to know whether implementing a slightly different judging system and awards structure (while still adhering to the standard “Merit deserves reward” philosophy) would cause people to flip tables, or if it was up to the whim of the director. Informal surveying has only ever given me the answer “it’s up to the director.” And, it also matters because I’m concerned that costumers from younger chapters may not be encouraged to step up and become the next generation of CC directors, judges, and volunteers when they’re intimidated by talk of how different it is. If we continually dump masquerade responsibilities on the same vets every year, do we not risk burning them out while also not ever training up the next generation to take their place?

I’d like to hear general opinions on what the vets believe is so “different” about a CC masquerade compared to any midsize-to-large genre con that runs using ICG guidelines. I’m not talking about the popularity contests at GenCon or the ridiculous lack of standards for workmanship at rinky-dink first-year anime and relaxicons, I’m talking about competitions that are generally understood as being some of the best-run and best-judged. IS there a difference? If so, what IS the difference? Is it only in how people feel like the entrants should be treated? In how many awards should be given out? The atmosphere backstage? Or is there some kind of secret handshake that only CC directors know that has to be taught?

It’s not going to stop me from directing, but I’m curious to hear opinions.

Stace
MACS vp and CC34 secretary

Thank you for putting this out here stace. I honestly was too terrified to ask myself after judging in this year’s st masq. I was all set to be CC34’s historical masquerade director and after reading the emails and seeing how passionate everyone got about what a CC masquerade should be, I’ve questioned if I should all together.

Jamie Butler
President of Madison Area Costuming Society
Member of the Guilde of St George

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Back in the day – when Carl was both videographer & archivist – we were still begging for those lists. I spent many hours watching and re-watching masquerades to catch names. And not only were contestants’ name hard to decipher, the names of the entries were impossible without getting them written out for us in advance —- Thanks, Sandy & Pierre 😢

Elaine

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com

From: costumrs@radiks.net

Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 16:17:21 -0500

Subject: Re: [runacc] At last, motivation to write something…

At 06:27 AM 6/3/2013, you wrote:

Must agree with Betsy. This is always an on-going struggle. Not just

from Costume-Cons, but conventions in general. It amazes me that some

MDs don’t seem to actually keep records of their events. Not just old

ones, but ones just completed.

The Archivists (me, Bruce and Nora Mai) would always appreciate this

information; not just a winners list, but a complete list of the

running order and staff. If anyone has this for ANY masquerade,

please forward it to us. Our e-mails are in our posts.

Older masquerades are particularly appreciated.

Pierre

 

> I am prompted to write this here because of Nora’s requests on the ICG-D

>list for the Doll contest participants and awards, and Kevin’s for the

>Single Pattern Contest.

>

>Back in the golden age, when I still was able to function as Costume-Con

>Archivist, I found myself begging for event participant run lists and award

>lists. Every. Single. Year.

>

>I haven’t been able to attend a CC since 27 and I stepped down as Archivist

>for 25.

>Why are people still having to ask for this data? It should be a given by

>now, and if it isn’t included in the ConStitution, it should be.

>

>1. The documenting of our event participants and their awards (if any) is a

>requirement at each Costume-Con, and Event Directors (Science

>Fiction/Fantasy, Historical, Single Pattern, etc.) should plan to provide

>this information *automatically* without question to whomever serves as CC

>Archivist, for including in the online Costume-Con Archives.

>

>Photographs should be arranged for ALL competitions and displays, for

>archival purposes. Photographs should include any paper documentation (if

>possible) to assist with labeling photographs received, and any printed

>guides (for the exhibits or otherwise) should also be provided.

>

>2. The current Costume-Con Archivist should be published on the site

>clearly, so that CC event directors know to whom they need to send the

>material.

>

>My constant begging onsite was still insufficient to get the information

>when people failed to be organized about keeping it.

>

>Awards lists, while great for stoking egos onsite and after, are incomplete

>information.

>

>C’mon folks! It’s not that hard to get this information where it belongs.

>

>Betsy

>Betsy Marks Delaney

><http://www.hawkeswood.com/>http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

International Costumers’ Guild Archivist

http://www.costume.org/gallery2/main.php

“Those Who Fail to Learn History

Are Doomed to Repeat It;

Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly –

Why They Are Simply Doomed.”

Achemdro’hm

“The Illusion of Historical Fact”

— C. Y. 4971

Andromeda

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Wow. That’s a complicated question – or so it feels like to me.

First, there are the obvious differences in the cons themselves. That’s a whole ‘nuther topic, but it should be discussed with committees that are only familiar with the standard SF, anime or other cons.

Personally, I believe that dept. heads of up-coming CCs should attach themselves to the current heads of thos same depts. They should be that person’s assistant for the duration of the CC – not just for the actual masquerade. All MDs begin their con with masquerade registration, continue with rehearsals, proceed through the Green Room to the Masqerade, move on to judging and awards, and doesn’t end until all of the records and ephemera are completed. Even after the con, there are things to be attended to. To learn how to run any dept, not just MD, you really should do that.

Denice Girardeau & I spent CC4 in that manner so that we could run a credible CC5.

It’s a huge mistake to equate other experience to CCs, because the level of competition is often – not always – higher, and the expectation are definitely higher. And CCs really are different.

Also, in terms of budgets, Green Room, tech & photography are NOT part of any one masquerade’s budget. They are up and running for the entire con, and are their own departments, with their budgets, like masquerade budgets, part of the total con budget. Each MD works with – not over – those departments. That in itself is a huge difference.

Elaine Mami
CC30’s Recliner

Not that I want to derail the current topic entirely (it’s good to discuss, I’m reading avidly) but I’m reminded of something I’ve been intending to ask the runacc conclave for a few months now. No time like the present, given the topic.

While I’ve never personally directed a masquerade, I’ve competed in more than I can count, judged somewhere around 8-10, and lived in the same household as two directors, as well as been to 4 CCs now. I feel like I have a pretty good grasp of how a quality masquerade is run and judged. That’s not to say I’m not going to take a few steps to double-reassure myself but that’s not for this discussion. But given the foibles seen at CC31, which I’m also not going to review just now, there has been a lot of talk of “but CC is different!”

HOW different?

I want to know whether there are any actual structural, logistical differences between CostumeCon and any major genre convention that uses ICG guidelines (Archon, CONvergence, etc), or if the difference is only in expectations. Because when I break down the details, from where I sit, it looks like the way the masquerade is run is pretty much exactly the same as anything I’ve judged, competed in, or helped run. The only difference that I can see is that there are subjective expectations that differ from genre cons. And, anyone who has spent any length of time hanging around CC vets will pick up some of that subjectivity by listening to their opinions.

This matters to me because I wanted to know whether implementing a slightly different judging system and awards structure (while still adhering to the standard “Merit deserves reward” philosophy) would cause people to flip tables, or if it was up to the whim of the director. Informal surveying has only ever given me the answer “it’s up to the director.” And, it also matters because I’m concerned that costumers from younger chapters may not be encouraged to step up and become the next generation of CC directors, judges, and volunteers when they’re intimidated by talk of how different it is. If we continually dump masquerade responsibilities on the same vets every year, do we not risk burning them out while also not ever training up the next generation to take their place?

I’d like to hear general opinions on what the vets believe is so “different” about a CC masquerade compared to any midsize-to-large genre con that runs using ICG guidelines. I’m not talking about the popularity contests at GenCon or the ridiculous lack of standards for workmanship at rinky-dink first-year anime and relaxicons, I’m talking about competitions that are generally understood as being some of the best-run and best-judged. IS there a difference? If so, what IS the difference? Is it only in how people feel like the entrants should be treated? In how many awards should be given out? The atmosphere backstage? Or is there some kind of secret handshake that only CC directors know that has to be taught?

It’s not going to stop me from directing, but I’m curious to hear opinions.

Stace

MACS vp and CC34 secretary

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In my experience, the CC SF&F Masquerade is in most ways similar to a
well-run high-level masquerade.

The Historical is different, because there has evolved an expectation that
all garments must be examined up close by all judges. This requires setting
up an interview schedule for all entries, which is quite different from the
way a “standard” masquerade is judged. (Personally, I’d like to see CC find
a space for the “I just want to go across the stage” kind of entry in the
historical, but that is a different discussion).

Elaine’s comments about the shared technical services is a good one,
although at Worldcon, the Hugos and Masquerade also usually share a setup.

Kevin

On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Jamie Butler <utopianqueen2000@yahoo.com>wrote:

> Thank you for putting this out here stace. I honestly was too terrified to
> ask myself after judging in this year’s st masq. I was all set to be CC34’s
> historical masquerade director and after reading the emails and seeing how
> passionate everyone got about what a CC masquerade should be, I’ve
> questioned if I should all together.
>
> Jamie Butler
> President of Madison Area Costuming Society
> Member of the Guilde of St George
>
>
>
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