I have an Excel spreadsheet that is called “CC26 Shareable Contacts”, and there are 557 names on it. I’ve gone ahead and added you to the list, Michael, as it sounds like that’s what you were asking for.

To correct Elaine, no, we have not added anyone to it yet, because we’ve not provided any “vehicle” for new folks to join it. However, I’m confident that we can either email any of our members not on the list and ask them, or collect this data at CC30 Registration.

Henry, if you have CC28’s data to contribute to this list (people who’ve specifically stated they’d like to be informed of future CC’s — not just a registration database) it’d be fabulous if you could send me the info, in any form, even copies of registration forms would be fine with me. I can enter the data into the spreadsheet.

I don’t know if CC27 added any data to the list either (no way for me to tell by looking).

Dora, do you have a copy of this list already? If not, give the word, and I’ll happily give you access. (I’ve uploaded the data into a restricted Google Doc, so anyone with access gets the most up to date version that exists — much more efficient than trying to keep multiple copies of it up-to-date in different cities.)

Michael, whenever you’d like access to this info, I’m happy to add you as “sharing” on it, of course, too.

-Marg

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Michael” <bruno@…> wrote:
>
> I believe there was a movement to collect names/addresses/email addresses to create a permanent CC mailing list. I know I have the option to join the list on my registration forms. Does that list exist yet? If so, who has it?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> Michael
>

A quick comment: Google Docs is an awesome file-sharing medium. I strongly
encourage its use! If you’ve created a doc that can be shared with the folks
on this list, would you please also go to the Yahoo Groups page and add a
link to the doc there? That way, we don’t rely solely on institutional
memory. See the link at the bottom of this message for “Visit Your Group” to
find the links page.

Huge thanks!

Betsy

On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Margie <marg1066@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> I have an Excel spreadsheet that is called “CC26 Shareable Contacts”, and
> there are 557 names on it. I’ve gone ahead and added you to the list,
> Michael, as it sounds like that’s what you were asking for.
>
> To correct Elaine, no, we have not added anyone to it yet, because we’ve
> not provided any “vehicle” for new folks to join it. However, I’m confident
> that we can either email any of our members not on the list and ask them, or
> collect this data at CC30 Registration.
>
> Henry, if you have CC28’s data to contribute to this list (people who’ve
> specifically stated they’d like to be informed of future CC’s — not just a
> registration database) it’d be fabulous if you could send me the info, in
> any form, even copies of registration forms would be fine with me. I can
> enter the data into the spreadsheet.
>
> I don’t know if CC27 added any data to the list either (no way for me to
> tell by looking).
>
> Dora, do you have a copy of this list already? If not, give the word, and
> I’ll happily give you access. (I’ve uploaded the data into a restricted
> Google Doc, so anyone with access gets the most up to date version that
> exists — much more efficient than trying to keep multiple copies of it
> up-to-date in different cities.)
>
> Michael, whenever you’d like access to this info, I’m happy to add you as
> “sharing” on it, of course, too.
>
> -Marg
>
>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc%40yahoogroups.com>, “Michael”
> <bruno@…> wrote:
> >
> > I believe there was a movement to collect names/addresses/email addresses
> to create a permanent CC mailing list. I know I have the option to join the
> list on my registration forms. Does that list exist yet? If so, who has it?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> > Michael
> >
>
>
>

—
—
—
Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

To add to what Margie said — that spreadsheet started as the result of
the question we included in the CC26 reg system giving us permission to
pass contact information forward to future CCs.

In terms of folks planning future Costume-Cons, it is really important
to *ask* that question during the registration process, because it is at
that moment you are already collecting all the critical info, and it
makes it very simple to filter those people who said yes into a list to
pass forward.

With the current privacy laws, passing the info forward without
permission is a dicey proposition.

Kevin

On 12/29/2010 7:11 AM, Margie wrote:
>
> I have an Excel spreadsheet that is called “CC26 Shareable Contacts”,
> and there are 557 names on it. I’ve gone ahead and added you to the
> list, Michael, as it sounds like that’s what you were asking for.
>
> To correct Elaine, no, we have not added anyone to it yet, because
> we’ve not provided any “vehicle” for new folks to join it. However,
> I’m confident that we can either email any of our members not on the
> list and ask them, or collect this data at CC30 Registration.
>
> Henry, if you have CC28’s data to contribute to this list (people
> who’ve specifically stated they’d like to be informed of future CC’s
> — not just a registration database) it’d be fabulous if you could
> send me the info, in any form, even copies of registration forms would
> be fine with me. I can enter the data into the spreadsheet.
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

My registration forms have opt-ins for ePublications and the CC mailing list.

Michael

Quoting “Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair” <chair@cc26.org>:

> To add to what Margie said — that spreadsheet started as the result of
> the question we included in the CC26 reg system giving us permission to
> pass contact information forward to future CCs.
>
> In terms of folks planning future Costume-Cons, it is really important
> to *ask* that question during the registration process, because it is at
> that moment you are already collecting all the critical info, and it
> makes it very simple to filter those people who said yes into a list to
> pass forward.
>
> With the current privacy laws, passing the info forward without
> permission is a dicey proposition.
>
> Kevin
>
> On 12/29/2010 7:11 AM, Margie wrote:
>>
>> I have an Excel spreadsheet that is called “CC26 Shareable Contacts”,
>> and there are 557 names on it. I’ve gone ahead and added you to the
>> list, Michael, as it sounds like that’s what you were asking for.
>>
>> To correct Elaine, no, we have not added anyone to it yet, because
>> we’ve not provided any “vehicle” for new folks to join it. However,
>> I’m confident that we can either email any of our members not on the
>> list and ask them, or collect this data at CC30 Registration.
>>
>> Henry, if you have CC28’s data to contribute to this list (people
>> who’ve specifically stated they’d like to be informed of future CC’s
>> — not just a registration database) it’d be fabulous if you could
>> send me the info, in any form, even copies of registration forms would
>> be fine with me. I can enter the data into the spreadsheet.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

Okay, maybe I’m missing the point here, but shouldn’t this kind of document
be available ON the “Run A CC” Yahoo group? This list is supposed be for
future committees, among other folks. I don’t have an objection to Google
docs per se (other than it’s yet another group I’d possibly have to be
involved with). Costume-Con 25 was the first to implement this share list
idea, so we’d like to see this mailing list idea continued. It’s
definitely beneficial to the future cons.

Bruce

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Betsy Delaney
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 10:02 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: perpetual CC mailing list

A quick comment: Google Docs is an awesome file-sharing medium. I strongly
encourage its use! If you’ve created a doc that can be shared with the folks
on this list, would you please also go to the Yahoo Groups page and add a
link to the doc there? That way, we don’t rely solely on institutional
memory. See the link at the bottom of this message for “Visit Your Group” to
find the links page.

Huge thanks!

Betsy

On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Margie <marg1066@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> I have an Excel spreadsheet that is called “CC26 Shareable Contacts”, and
> there are 557 names on it. I’ve gone ahead and added you to the list,
> Michael, as it sounds like that’s what you were asking for.
>
> To correct Elaine, no, we have not added anyone to it yet, because we’ve
> not provided any “vehicle” for new folks to join it. However, I’m
confident
> that we can either email any of our members not on the list and ask them,
or
> collect this data at CC30 Registration.
>
> Henry, if you have CC28’s data to contribute to this list (people who’ve
> specifically stated they’d like to be informed of future CC’s — not just
a
> registration database) it’d be fabulous if you could send me the info, in
> any form, even copies of registration forms would be fine with me. I can
> enter the data into the spreadsheet.
>
> I don’t know if CC27 added any data to the list either (no way for me to
> tell by looking).
>
> Dora, do you have a copy of this list already? If not, give the word, and
> I’ll happily give you access. (I’ve uploaded the data into a restricted
> Google Doc, so anyone with access gets the most up to date version that
> exists — much more efficient than trying to keep multiple copies of it
> up-to-date in different cities.)
>
> Michael, whenever you’d like access to this info, I’m happy to add you as
> “sharing” on it, of course, too.
>
> -Marg
>
>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc%40yahoogroups.com>, “Michael”
> <bruno@…> wrote:
> >
> > I believe there was a movement to collect names/addresses/email
addresses
> to create a permanent CC mailing list. I know I have the option to join
the
> list on my registration forms. Does that list exist yet? If so, who has
it?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> > Michael
> >
>
>
>

—
—
—
Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

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Hi, Bruce!

I’ll point out that I created the RunaCC list precisely so we could
share stuff with committee members. It’s a tool, but not necessarily the
only one we should use.

The cool thing Google does (that I don’t think Yahoo does just yet, but
feel free to correct me if I’m wrong) is allow collaborative access to
documents: Not just to read them but also to edit them. I just spent a
bunch of time helping to organize our group trip down to Walt Disney
World (coordinated between 15 people) via Google Docs using their
spreadsheet. It was a piece of cake. Everyone got to edit their data,
and everyone got to see what was going on when. Helped a whole lot with
the planning process in general.

The last time I checked Yahoo allowed for upload of files, but not for
editing those files amongst the group. I think (but could be wrong) that
only the original document owner or the moderator can edit a Yahoo doc.
I don’t have that kind of time.

You don’t need a Google account to make changes to Google docs. You just
need to set the doc with the proper permissions. Sharing the link with
the group should do it. (There’s a setting for allowing anyone with the
link to edit, and for keeping the doc private unless the link is shared
elsewhere.)

If I understand your concern, you’re thinking we’d need to set up a
whole new group there. Not so. All you have to do is share the link to
the document.

If Yahoo can, in fact, allow for collaborative editing, then by all
means we should leave the document here. It’s a much uglier thing to
have more than one list floating around, because the margin for error
increases with each copy. I have a personal preference for Yahoo’s group
function over Google’s (one of the few things that they still do right).

If not, I don’t see the harm in putting the doc on Google, so that it’s
the One True List, editable by each committee, downloadable when we need
to merge for a mailing.

If this gets to be a serious mailing endeavor, I believe Yahoo also has
a database function, in which case we could import the data to the
database and use that.

I’d say we’re way under-utilizing the tools we have on this group site
in general, but maybe we don’t need the calendar and other features.

Other opinions welcome. You’ve got mine!

Happy New Year!!!

Cheers,

Betsy

On 12/30/2010 6:09 PM, Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:
> Okay, maybe I’m missing the point here, but shouldn’t this kind of document
> be available ON the “Run A CC” Yahoo group? This list is supposed be for
> future committees, among other folks. I don’t have an objection to Google
> docs per se (other than it’s yet another group I’d possibly have to be
> involved with). Costume-Con 25 was the first to implement this share list
> idea, so we’d like to see this mailing list idea continued. It’s
> definitely beneficial to the future cons.
>
> Bruce

—
—
Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Nora & Bruce Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> Okay, maybe I’m missing the point here, but shouldn’t this kind of document
> be available ON the “Run A CC” Yahoo group? This list is supposed be for
> future committees, among other folks. I don’t have an objection to Google
> docs per se (other than it’s yet another group I’d possibly have to be
> involved with). Costume-Con 25 was the first to implement this share list
> idea, so we’d like to see this mailing list idea continued. It’s
> definitely beneficial to the future cons.
>
>
>
> Bruce
>
>

While it sounds like a good idea in theory, I don’t think it’s a good idea.
We’re talking about people’s private information covered by privacy laws.
It’s probably stretching the law a bit to say that “permission to pass on to
future costume cons” can be translated to “can be posted on a semi-private
weblist that includes future costume-con runners and other people”,
especially if some well-meaning member of the list utilized that private
information for some other purpose. It’s safer for all of us if the list
stays as a passdown from con to con, even if that makes it a little more
likely to get lost.

~Aurora

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Treu, Yahoo doesn’t allow editing.
If you can just lin from Google… but I don’t think allowing open access to the document would be good. Kind of negates the specific usage permission associated with it. It’d need to have fairly specific rights assigned to it.

Nora

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Betsy Delaney <aramintamd@…> wrote:
>
> Hi, Bruce!
>
> I’ll point out that I created the RunaCC list precisely so we could
> share stuff with committee members. It’s a tool, but not necessarily the
> only one we should use.
>
> The cool thing Google does (that I don’t think Yahoo does just yet, but
> feel free to correct me if I’m wrong) is allow collaborative access to
> documents: Not just to read them but also to edit them. I just spent a
> bunch of time helping to organize our group trip down to Walt Disney
> World (coordinated between 15 people) via Google Docs using their
> spreadsheet. It was a piece of cake. Everyone got to edit their data,
> and everyone got to see what was going on when. Helped a whole lot with
> the planning process in general.
>
> The last time I checked Yahoo allowed for upload of files, but not for
> editing those files amongst the group. I think (but could be wrong) that
> only the original document owner or the moderator can edit a Yahoo doc.
> I don’t have that kind of time.
>
> You don’t need a Google account to make changes to Google docs. You just
> need to set the doc with the proper permissions. Sharing the link with
> the group should do it. (There’s a setting for allowing anyone with the
> link to edit, and for keeping the doc private unless the link is shared
> elsewhere.)
>
> If I understand your concern, you’re thinking we’d need to set up a
> whole new group there. Not so. All you have to do is share the link to
> the document.
>
> If Yahoo can, in fact, allow for collaborative editing, then by all
> means we should leave the document here. It’s a much uglier thing to
> have more than one list floating around, because the margin for error
> increases with each copy. I have a personal preference for Yahoo’s group
> function over Google’s (one of the few things that they still do right).
>
> If not, I don’t see the harm in putting the doc on Google, so that it’s
> the One True List, editable by each committee, downloadable when we need
> to merge for a mailing.
>
> If this gets to be a serious mailing endeavor, I believe Yahoo also has
> a database function, in which case we could import the data to the
> database and use that.
>
> I’d say we’re way under-utilizing the tools we have on this group site
> in general, but maybe we don’t need the calendar and other features.
>
> Other opinions welcome. You’ve got mine!
>
> Happy New Year!!!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Betsy
>
> On 12/30/2010 6:09 PM, Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:
> > Okay, maybe I’m missing the point here, but shouldn’t this kind of document
> > be available ON the “Run A CC” Yahoo group? This list is supposed be for
> > future committees, among other folks. I don’t have an objection to Google
> > docs per se (other than it’s yet another group I’d possibly have to be
> > involved with). Costume-Con 25 was the first to implement this share list
> > idea, so we’d like to see this mailing list idea continued. It’s
> > definitely beneficial to the future cons.
> >
> > Bruce
>
> —
> —
> Betsy Marks Delaney
>
> http://www.hawkeswood.com/
>

Truth. Darn.

I suppose if we limited access to only those folks directly responsible for
membership at each CC, that would satisfy the question, but I suspect the
passdown method is the most secure.

Henry, I think this means you probably need to kick the update of your data
into a higher priority queue, so you can pass the most current info to CC29
ASAP.

Can you find someone else to do the work?

Note: The biggest disadvantage to keeping it as a passdown is that all
concoms need to remember to pass the updated document to three separate
committees, and to make the updates high priority, along with closing the
books on the con. If everyone agrees that the only way to get on the list is
to wait till after each con is over, then presumably once the data is
updated, the con that just ended will then send the newly updated list to
the next three cons along with the pass-through funds.

Clunky, but maybe for the best.

Karen, I hate to ask this: Would it make sense to include something on this
topic in the ConStitution (if you haven’t already done it)? I don’t think
the subject’s ever been addressed there, but I could be wrong…

Cheers,

Betsy

On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Nora <von_drago@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
> Treu, Yahoo doesn’t allow editing.
> If you can just lin from Google… but I don’t think allowing open access
> to the document would be good. Kind of negates the specific usage permission
> associated with it. It’d need to have fairly specific rights assigned to it.
>
> Nora
>
>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc%40yahoogroups.com>, Betsy Delaney
> <aramintamd@…> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Bruce!
> >
> > I’ll point out that I created the RunaCC list precisely so we could
> > share stuff with committee members. It’s a tool, but not necessarily the
> > only one we should use.
> >
> > The cool thing Google does (that I don’t think Yahoo does just yet, but
> > feel free to correct me if I’m wrong) is allow collaborative access to
> > documents: Not just to read them but also to edit them. I just spent a
> > bunch of time helping to organize our group trip down to Walt Disney
> > World (coordinated between 15 people) via Google Docs using their
> > spreadsheet. It was a piece of cake. Everyone got to edit their data,
> > and everyone got to see what was going on when. Helped a whole lot with
> > the planning process in general.
> >
> > The last time I checked Yahoo allowed for upload of files, but not for
> > editing those files amongst the group. I think (but could be wrong) that
> > only the original document owner or the moderator can edit a Yahoo doc.
> > I don’t have that kind of time.
> >
> > You don’t need a Google account to make changes to Google docs. You just
> > need to set the doc with the proper permissions. Sharing the link with
> > the group should do it. (There’s a setting for allowing anyone with the
> > link to edit, and for keeping the doc private unless the link is shared
> > elsewhere.)
> >
> > If I understand your concern, you’re thinking we’d need to set up a
> > whole new group there. Not so. All you have to do is share the link to
> > the document.
> >
> > If Yahoo can, in fact, allow for collaborative editing, then by all
> > means we should leave the document here. It’s a much uglier thing to
> > have more than one list floating around, because the margin for error
> > increases with each copy. I have a personal preference for Yahoo’s group
> > function over Google’s (one of the few things that they still do right).
> >
> > If not, I don’t see the harm in putting the doc on Google, so that it’s
> > the One True List, editable by each committee, downloadable when we need
> > to merge for a mailing.
> >
> > If this gets to be a serious mailing endeavor, I believe Yahoo also has
> > a database function, in which case we could import the data to the
> > database and use that.
> >
> > I’d say we’re way under-utilizing the tools we have on this group site
> > in general, but maybe we don’t need the calendar and other features.
> >
> > Other opinions welcome. You’ve got mine!
> >
> > Happy New Year!!!
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Betsy
> >
> > On 12/30/2010 6:09 PM, Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:
> > > Okay, maybe I’m missing the point here, but shouldn’t this kind of
> document
> > > be available ON the “Run A CC” Yahoo group? This list is supposed be
> for
> > > future committees, among other folks. I don’t have an objection to
> Google
> > > docs per se (other than it’s yet another group I’d possibly have to be
> > > involved with). Costume-Con 25 was the first to implement this share
> list
> > > idea, so we’d like to see this mailing list idea continued. It’s
> > > definitely beneficial to the future cons.
> > >
> > > Bruce
> >
> > —
> > —
> > Betsy Marks Delaney
> >
> > http://www.hawkeswood.com/
> >
>
>
>

—
—
—
Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Okay, you’ve clarified that a little. No – I hadn’t intended to have a new
group created (Oh, Lord!). For some reason, I thought it was easier to edit
docs in the Yahoo files, but I suppose that would require everyone to have
Excel or some sort of spreadsheet software. I suppose that if this Google
docs thing is easier to work with and is less tech-geeky, that’s okay.

Bruce

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Betsy Delaney
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 9:11 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: perpetual CC mailing list

Hi, Bruce!

I’ll point out that I created the RunaCC list precisely so we could
share stuff with committee members. It’s a tool, but not necessarily the
only one we should use.

The cool thing Google does (that I don’t think Yahoo does just yet, but
feel free to correct me if I’m wrong) is allow collaborative access to
documents: Not just to read them but also to edit them. I just spent a
bunch of time helping to organize our group trip down to Walt Disney
World (coordinated between 15 people) via Google Docs using their
spreadsheet. It was a piece of cake. Everyone got to edit their data,
and everyone got to see what was going on when. Helped a whole lot with
the planning process in general.

The last time I checked Yahoo allowed for upload of files, but not for
editing those files amongst the group. I think (but could be wrong) that
only the original document owner or the moderator can edit a Yahoo doc.
I don’t have that kind of time.

You don’t need a Google account to make changes to Google docs. You just
need to set the doc with the proper permissions. Sharing the link with
the group should do it. (There’s a setting for allowing anyone with the
link to edit, and for keeping the doc private unless the link is shared
elsewhere.)

If I understand your concern, you’re thinking we’d need to set up a
whole new group there. Not so. All you have to do is share the link to
the document.

If Yahoo can, in fact, allow for collaborative editing, then by all
means we should leave the document here. It’s a much uglier thing to
have more than one list floating around, because the margin for error
increases with each copy. I have a personal preference for Yahoo’s group
function over Google’s (one of the few things that they still do right).

If not, I don’t see the harm in putting the doc on Google, so that it’s
the One True List, editable by each committee, downloadable when we need
to merge for a mailing.

If this gets to be a serious mailing endeavor, I believe Yahoo also has
a database function, in which case we could import the data to the
database and use that.

I’d say we’re way under-utilizing the tools we have on this group site
in general, but maybe we don’t need the calendar and other features.

Other opinions welcome. You’ve got mine!

Happy New Year!!!

Cheers,

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I have shared the Google Doc with Dora and Michael (Dora already may have her own copy, I don’t know) — hopefully all will update this single document so that we all have current data.

As it is technically “private” data, I didn’t think it was appropriate to put a link to it in this Yahoo group. As long as it is shared with the upcoming chairs, and whomever they deem necessary, I think we’re okay.

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Nora & Bruce Mai” <casamai@…> wrote:
>
> Okay, you’ve clarified that a little. No – I hadn’t intended to have a new
> group created (Oh, Lord!). For some reason, I thought it was easier to edit
> docs in the Yahoo files, but I suppose that would require everyone to have
> Excel or some sort of spreadsheet software. I suppose that if this Google
> docs thing is easier to work with and is less tech-geeky, that’s okay.
>
>
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Betsy Delaney
> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 9:11 PM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: perpetual CC mailing list
>
>
>
> Hi, Bruce!
>
> I’ll point out that I created the RunaCC list precisely so we could
> share stuff with committee members. It’s a tool, but not necessarily the
> only one we should use.
>
> The cool thing Google does (that I don’t think Yahoo does just yet, but
> feel free to correct me if I’m wrong) is allow collaborative access to
> documents: Not just to read them but also to edit them. I just spent a
> bunch of time helping to organize our group trip down to Walt Disney
> World (coordinated between 15 people) via Google Docs using their
> spreadsheet. It was a piece of cake. Everyone got to edit their data,
> and everyone got to see what was going on when. Helped a whole lot with
> the planning process in general.
>
> The last time I checked Yahoo allowed for upload of files, but not for
> editing those files amongst the group. I think (but could be wrong) that
> only the original document owner or the moderator can edit a Yahoo doc.
> I don’t have that kind of time.
>
> You don’t need a Google account to make changes to Google docs. You just
> need to set the doc with the proper permissions. Sharing the link with
> the group should do it. (There’s a setting for allowing anyone with the
> link to edit, and for keeping the doc private unless the link is shared
> elsewhere.)
>
> If I understand your concern, you’re thinking we’d need to set up a
> whole new group there. Not so. All you have to do is share the link to
> the document.
>
> If Yahoo can, in fact, allow for collaborative editing, then by all
> means we should leave the document here. It’s a much uglier thing to
> have more than one list floating around, because the margin for error
> increases with each copy. I have a personal preference for Yahoo’s group
> function over Google’s (one of the few things that they still do right).
>
> If not, I don’t see the harm in putting the doc on Google, so that it’s
> the One True List, editable by each committee, downloadable when we need
> to merge for a mailing.
>
> If this gets to be a serious mailing endeavor, I believe Yahoo also has
> a database function, in which case we could import the data to the
> database and use that.
>
> I’d say we’re way under-utilizing the tools we have on this group site
> in general, but maybe we don’t need the calendar and other features.
>
> Other opinions welcome. You’ve got mine!
>
> Happy New Year!!!
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Hi; Margie!

I think you will need to add Henry or he won’t be able to add the
names/corrections from last year.

Cheers,

Betsy

—

Betsy Marks Delaney

On Jan 1, 2011 2:25 PM, “Margie” <marg1066@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have shared the Google Doc with Dora and Michael (Dora already may have
her own copy, I don’t know) — hopefully all will update this single
document so that we all have current data.
>
> As it is technically “private” data, I didn’t think it was appropriate to
put a link to it in this Yahoo group. As long as it is shared with the
upcoming chairs, and whomever they deem necessary, I think we’re okay.
>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Nora & Bruce Mai” <casamai@…> wrote:
>>
>> Okay, you’ve clarified that a little. No – I hadn’t intended to have a
new
>> group created (Oh, Lord!). For some reason, I thought it was easier to
edit
>> docs in the Yahoo files, but I suppose that would require everyone to
have
>> Excel or some sort of spreadsheet software. I suppose that if this Google
>> docs thing is easier to work with and is less tech-geeky, that’s okay.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>>
>>
>> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
>> Betsy Delaney
>> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 9:11 PM
>> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: perpetual CC mailing list
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi, Bruce!
>>
>> I’ll point out that I created the RunaCC list precisely so we could
>> share stuff with committee members. It’s a tool, but not necessarily the
>> only one we should use.
>>
>> The cool thing Google does (that I don’t think Yahoo does just yet, but
>> feel free to correct me if I’m wrong) is allow collaborative access to
>> documents: Not just to read them but also to edit them. I just spent a
>> bunch of time helping to organize our group trip down to Walt Disney
>> World (coordinated between 15 people) via Google Docs using their
>> spreadsheet. It was a piece of cake. Everyone got to edit their data,
>> and everyone got to see what was going on when. Helped a whole lot with
>> the planning process in general.
>>
>> The last time I checked Yahoo allowed for upload of files, but not for
>> editing those files amongst the group. I think (but could be wrong) that
>> only the original document owner or the moderator can edit a Yahoo doc.
>> I don’t have that kind of time.
>>
>> You don’t need a Google account to make changes to Google docs. You just
>> need to set the doc with the proper permissions. Sharing the link with
>> the group should do it. (There’s a setting for allowing anyone with the
>> link to edit, and for keeping the doc private unless the link is shared
>> elsewhere.)
>>
>> If I understand your concern, you’re thinking we’d need to set up a
>> whole new group there. Not so. All you have to do is share the link to
>> the document.
>>
>> If Yahoo can, in fact, allow for collaborative editing, then by all
>> means we should leave the document here. It’s a much uglier thing to
>> have more than one list floating around, because the margin for error
>> increases with each copy. I have a personal preference for Yahoo’s group
>> function over Google’s (one of the few things that they still do right).
>>
>> If not, I don’t see the harm in putting the doc on Google, so that it’s
>> the One True List, editable by each committee, downloadable when we need
>> to merge for a mailing.
>>
>> If this gets to be a serious mailing endeavor, I believe Yahoo also has
>> a database function, in which case we could import the data to the
>> database and use that.
>>
>> I’d say we’re way under-utilizing the tools we have on this group site
>> in general, but maybe we don’t need the calendar and other features.
>>
>> Other opinions welcome. You’ve got mine!
>>
>> Happy New Year!!!
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I got this through the Denver con runners list.

——– Original Message ——–

From: Andy Hopp [mailto:andy@andyhopp.com [1]]
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 8:54 AM
Subject: Convention Organizers

Hello, fellow convention organizer,

Andy Hopp here, director of Con on the Cob (www.cononthecob.com).
I’d like to introduce you to a new program I’m putting together with
the
goal of boosting attendance and interest in all of our conventions.
It’s
called Badge Buddy and works like this: There is a centralized website

that lists every participating con, it’s dates and location, and a
brief
summary of activities and guests. Nothing new there, a ton of sites do

that, but Badge Buddy isn’t just a website for listing cons, each
participating con also lists a prize for bringing a badge from another

participating convention to the show. Each badge gets you the prize or

discount. For example, Con on the Cob will give one free Coin on the
Cob
(a token worth $1 in the art show or vendor hall) for each badge
someone
brings from another con in the system (beginning in 2010). So, if
somebody brings a badge from AnCon 2010, AnCon 2011, 3Con 2011, and
Origins 2010 to Con on the Cob he or she will receive four free Coins
on
the Cob. Other possible prizes might be free generic gaming tickets,
$1
of a badge, or whatever you decide. The more cons a person attends the

more they get.

Participation in the system is absolutely free and you get to
decide what prize to offer. Hopefully this will help us spread the
word
about our individual conventions and lead to more communication and
idea-sharing between us all.

If you’d like to participate please send me the following information:

Convention Name
Location of Event
Mailing Address
Contact Name and Email
A Brief description of your event
The Prize you’d like to offer

I’ll launch the website once we have a decent number of cons on the
list. I’d love to hear any ideas you might have.

Thanks a lot,

Andy Hopp
Con on the Cob (www.cononthecob.com)

Time to shake up the list. 🙂

There seems to have been a trend the last few years with fewer and
fewer programming on Monday. What are the groups thoughts on moving the
Single Pattern or Fashion Show to Monday. Do you think either of those,
or maybe something new would would be a draw to keep people at the
convention on Monday? Or, is CC scaling back to a three day convention?

Michael

Here’s the disturbing statement from the n00b:

Costume Con is intended to be a 4 day convention?

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 10:26 PM, <bruno@soulmasque.com> wrote:

> Time to shake up the list. 🙂
>
> There seems to have been a trend the last few years with fewer and
> fewer programming on Monday. What are the groups thoughts on moving the
> Single Pattern or Fashion Show to Monday. Do you think either of those,
> or maybe something new would would be a draw to keep people at the
> convention on Monday? Or, is CC scaling back to a three day convention?
>
>
> Michael
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Maybe a 3.5 day convention.

On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 22:28:00 -0600, Aurora Celeste
<auroraceleste@gmail.com> wrote:

> Here’s the disturbing statement from the n00b:
>
> Costume Con is intended to be a 4 day convention?
>

seems it’s traditionally a 3 day. to be honest, I have allways felt that the
monday stuff was a ploy to get as many room nights in for the con budget.

OTOH, when we (27) didnt have much happening on monday, we caught hell, and
added stuff

mondays used to only be for a dead dog party, for those who felt like staying
over.

I do not think running a main event on monday is a good idea at all. it will
just make people stay over till tuesday.

and I dont think many people really want that

The spirit of CC was originally a 3 day weekend, to accomodate the historic on
sunday, and people left on monday.

Gravely MacCabre
http://www.castleblood.com
http://www.midnightmonsterhop.com
http://www.myspace.com/thecastleblood
http://www.myspace.com/midnightmonsterhop
clip samples at
http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood

________________________________
From: “bruno@soulmasque.com” <bruno@soulmasque.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, February 23, 2011 11:31:01 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] monday activities

Maybe a 3.5 day convention.

On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 22:28:00 -0600, Aurora Celeste
<auroraceleste@gmail.com> wrote:

> Here’s the disturbing statement from the n00b:
>
> Costume Con is intended to be a 4 day convention?
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I, for one, can answer to that–we are planning programming on Monday
running through about 1-2 pm. Morning programming will include a Bruce
Mai presentation of video archives, and it will also have programming
from all tracks. I am working it on it as we speak.

I believe that we retain all of our function space through Monday as
well.

Yours in costuming,Lisa A

On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 20:26:20 -0800 <bruno@soulmasque.com> writes:

> Time to shake up the list. 🙂
>
> There seems to have been a trend the last few years with fewer and
>
> fewer programming on Monday. What are the groups thoughts on
> moving the
> Single Pattern or Fashion Show to Monday. Do you think either of
> those,
> or maybe something new would would be a draw to keep people at the
>
> convention on Monday? Or, is CC scaling back to a three day
> convention?
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document:
> http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

We were told at our first CC (#10 in 1992) that CC was a full 4 day con. W hadn’t planned for that so ended up missing out on some fun. After that we’ve generally planned to stay until Tuesday.
It does seem that many of th recent CCs have been somewhat lacking on Mondays although we’ve still enjoyed hanging out, maybe sight-seeing & dinner with the remaing stalwarts.

Nora

— On Wed, 2/23/11, Gravely MacCabre <gravelymac@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Gravely MacCabre <gravelymac@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [runacc] monday activities
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 11:58 PM

seems it’s traditionally a 3 day. to be honest, I have allways felt that the
monday stuff was a ploy to get as many room nights in for the con budget.

OTOH, when we (27) didnt have much happening on monday, we caught hell, and
added stuff

mondays used to only be for a dead dog party, for those who felt like staying
over.

I do not think running a main event on monday is a good idea at all. it will
just make people stay over till tuesday.

and I dont think many people really want that

The spirit of CC was originally a 3 day weekend, to accomodate the historic on
sunday, and people left on monday.

Gravely MacCabre
http://www.castleblood.com
http://www.midnightmonsterhop.com
http://www.myspace.com/thecastleblood
http://www.myspace.com/midnightmonsterhop
clip samples at
http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood

________________________________
From: “bruno@soulmasque.com” <bruno@soulmasque.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, February 23, 2011 11:31:01 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] monday activities

Maybe a 3.5 day convention.

On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 22:28:00 -0600, Aurora Celeste
<auroraceleste@gmail.com> wrote:
> Here’s the disturbing statement from the n00b:
>
> Costume Con is intended to be a 4 day convention?
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

————————————

View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo! Groups Links

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Lisa’s plan seems about right, it still allows most people to check out of the
hotel and go home on monday

just like sunday of regular cons

and as Nora says in a seperate message, then monday afternoon, evening, is great
for local visits and shopping, and dinner with whomever is left that night

be very careful on your contract about what rooms you have.
for 27 we gave up 80% of the space come 4 ish on monday, and somnehow they got
that down as all our space, and we were left with no con suite monday night for
the remaining folks. we sorta managed and moved to an empty room, but it was the
one thing the hotel screwed up on with us.
Gravely MacCabre
http://www.castleblood.com
http://www.midnightmonsterhop.com
http://www.myspace.com/thecastleblood
http://www.myspace.com/midnightmonsterhop
clip samples at
http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood

________________________________
From: Lisa A Ashton <lisa58@juno.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, February 24, 2011 6:19:56 AM
Subject: Re: [runacc] monday activities

I, for one, can answer to that–we are planning programming on Monday
running through about 1-2 pm. Morning programming will include a Bruce
Mai presentation of video archives, and it will also have programming
from all tracks. I am working it on it as we speak.

I believe that we retain all of our function space through Monday as
well.

Yours in costuming,Lisa A

On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 20:26:20 -0800 <bruno@soulmasque.com> writes:

> Time to shake up the list. 🙂
>
> There seems to have been a trend the last few years with fewer and
>
> fewer programming on Monday. What are the groups thoughts on
> moving the
> Single Pattern or Fashion Show to Monday. Do you think either of
> those,
> or maybe something new would would be a draw to keep people at the
>
> convention on Monday? Or, is CC scaling back to a three day
> convention?
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document:
> http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

“just like sunday of regular cons” – yeah, a lot like that. Somewhat lighter programming, folks who want to leave on Monday still can in the afternoon, etc.

Nora

— On Thu, 2/24/11, Gravely MacCabre <gravelymac@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Gravely MacCabre <gravelymac@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [runacc] monday activities
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 9:10 AM

Lisa’s plan seems about right, it still allows most people to check out of the
hotel and go home on monday

just like sunday of regular cons

and as Nora says in a seperate message, then monday afternoon, evening, is great
for local visits and shopping, and dinner with whomever is left that night

be very careful on your contract about what rooms you have.
for 27 we gave up 80% of the space come 4 ish on monday, and somnehow they got
that down as all our space, and we were left with no con suite monday night for
the remaining folks. we sorta managed and moved to an empty room, but it was the
one thing the hotel screwed up on with us.
Gravely MacCabre
http://www.castleblood.com
http://www.midnightmonsterhop.com
http://www.myspace.com/thecastleblood
http://www.myspace.com/midnightmonsterhop
clip samples at
http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood

________________________________
From: Lisa A Ashton <lisa58@juno.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, February 24, 2011 6:19:56 AM
Subject: Re: [runacc] monday activities

I, for one, can answer to that–we are planning programming on Monday
running through about 1-2 pm. Morning programming will include a Bruce
Mai presentation of video archives, and it will also have programming
from all tracks. I am working it on it as we speak.

I believe that we retain all of our function space through Monday as
well.

Yours in costuming,Lisa A

On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 20:26:20 -0800 <bruno@soulmasque.com> writes:
> Time to shake up the list. 🙂
>
> There seems to have been a trend the last few years with fewer and
>
> fewer programming on Monday. What are the groups thoughts on
> moving the
> Single Pattern or Fashion Show to Monday. Do you think either of
> those,
> or maybe something new would would be a draw to keep people at the
>
> convention on Monday? Or, is CC scaling back to a three day
> convention?
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document:
> http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

————————————

View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo! Groups Links

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Pretty much the same for CC 30. Programming will be happening Monday morning, but nothing major.

Elaine
Recliner, CC 30

I, for one, can answer to that–we are planning programming on Monday
running through about 1-2 pm. Morning programming will include a Bruce
Mai presentation of video archives, and it will also have programming
from all tracks. I am working it on it as we speak.

I believe that we retain all of our function space through Monday as
well.

Yours in costuming,Lisa A

On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 20:26:20 -0800 <bruno@soulmasque.com> writes:

> Time to shake up the list. 🙂
>
> There seems to have been a trend the last few years with fewer and
>
> fewer programming on Monday. What are the groups thoughts on
> moving the
> Single Pattern or Fashion Show to Monday. Do you think either of
> those,
> or maybe something new would would be a draw to keep people at the
>
> convention on Monday? Or, is CC scaling back to a three day
> convention?
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document:
> http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Monday used to be when the ICG meetings were held, with a ew panels for those who didn’t want to go to the meeting. When the meeting was moved to Friday morning – so people could leave earlier on Monday – the days shifted. Now, folks are arriving Thurs. and staying until Mon. We are approaching a 4.5 day con!

Elaine
Nil significat nisi oscillat!

Time to shake up the list. 🙂

There seems to have been a trend the last few years with fewer and
fewer programming on Monday. What are the groups thoughts on moving the
Single Pattern or Fashion Show to Monday. Do you think either of those,
or maybe something new would would be a draw to keep people at the
convention on Monday? Or, is CC scaling back to a three day convention?

Michael

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Remember, too, that for many years CC was usually held on a three day
weekend (Memorial Day, Martin Luther King Day, Presidents Day) so lots
of people would have the Monday off. That has been less common lately.

Kevin

On 2/24/2011 6:32 AM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
>
> We were told at our first CC (#10 in 1992) that CC was a full 4 day
> con. W hadn’t planned for that so ended up missing out on some fun.
> After that we’ve generally planned to stay until Tuesday.
> It does seem that many of th recent CCs have been somewhat lacking on
> Mondays although we’ve still enjoyed hanging out, maybe sight-seeing &
> dinner with the remaing stalwarts.
>
> Nora
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

True, some of the organizers thought people had those days off but it’s generally not true. Most people actually had to take those “holidays” as PTO. But if you had to take off for Friday anyway it wasn’t a big deal.
And used to be that CC was in some months other than May – not for a while though. It’d be nice but it’s more difficult when the con is North-ish. I remember that CC11 was on President’s weekend & we drove through a lot of snow to get home to St. Louis.

Nora

— On Thu, 2/24/11, Kevin Roche <chair@cc26.org> wrote:

From: Kevin Roche <chair@cc26.org>
Subject: Re: [runacc] monday activities
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 11:23 AM

Remember, too, that for many years CC was usually held on a three day
weekend (Memorial Day, Martin Luther King Day, Presidents Day) so lots
of people would have the Monday off. That has been less common lately.

Kevin

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Elaine wrote:

Monday used to be when the ICG meetings were held,

Yup, now theres a way to get people to want to leave early LOL!

Ricky

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

That was my understanding that CC used to be held on holiday weekends;
however most major cities probably already have a convention on most
holiday weekends.

Michael

On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 09:23:58 -0800, Kevin Roche <chair@cc26.org> wrote:
> Remember, too, that for many years CC was usually held on a three day
>
> weekend (Memorial Day, Martin Luther King Day, Presidents Day) so
> lots
> of people would have the Monday off. That has been less common
> lately.
>
> Kevin

I don’t think nearly as many people get those holidays off as there
used to be. I was concerned with weather with CC17 being in early
February, but it was fine.

Michael

On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 09:40:52 -0800 (PST), Bruce & Nora Mai
<casamai@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> True, some of the organizers thought people had those days off but
> it’s generally not true. Most people actually had to take those
> “holidays” as PTO. But if you had to take off for Friday anyway it
> wasn’t a big deal.
> And used to be that CC was in some months other than May – not for a
> while though. It’d be nice but it’s more difficult when the con is
> North-ish. I remember that CC11 was on President’s weekend & we drove
> through a lot of snow to get home to St. Louis.
>
> Nora

Cons here run programming until 5 or 6 pm on Sunday. I usually don’t
stay past 3ish, unless I have to.

Michael

On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 07:10:45 -0800 (PST), Gravely MacCabre
<gravelymac@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> just like sunday of regular cons

People seem to be in consensus that CC runs until Noon on Monday, if
there is programming or the archives roadshow to support it. How does
the group feel about moving one of the smaller stage events or a new
stage event to Monday. Do you think that would attract more people to
stay on Monday? This is a question about the convention experience.
It’s not a question about room nights.

Michael

Just my personal opinion, but if the con Monday is not a holiday, then
I’d really rather not have to worry about program items on Monday. I
might want to sight see, or I might want to catch a flight back
depending upon what is going on in my life at the time. A three day con
is fine with me.

Marty

On 2/24/2011 9:07 PM, bruno@soulmasque.com wrote:
>
> People seem to be in consensus that CC runs until Noon on Monday, if
> there is programming or the archives roadshow to support it. How does
> the group feel about moving one of the smaller stage events or a new
> stage event to Monday. Do you think that would attract more people to
> stay on Monday? This is a question about the convention experience.
> It’s not a question about room nights.
>
> Michael
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

CC29 will have programming on Sunday running til about 5 or 6 pm, then
there will be some time before the historical Masq. (so people can get
dinner, dress, get ready) . It seems like most hte general interest cons
I attend tehse days all have evening and night programming, with panels
often running past midnight.

Yours in cosutming,Lisa A

On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:55:08 -0800 <bruno@soulmasque.com> writes:

> Cons here run programming until 5 or 6 pm on Sunday. I usually
> don’t
> stay past 3ish, unless I have to.
>
> Michael
>
>
> On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 07:10:45 -0800 (PST), Gravely MacCabre
> <gravelymac@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > just like sunday of regular cons

Okay, Jumping in here for CC29.  We will have programming on Friday afternoon going to Monday noon.  The rest of the day is for day trips and hanging out.  The con suite will be open all day on Monday.

Dora Buck
Costume-Con 29 Chair

From: Martin Gear <MartinGear@comcast.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Cc:
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] monday activities

Just my personal opinion, but if the con Monday is not a holiday, then
I’d really rather not have to worry about program items on Monday. I
might want to sight see, or I might want to catch a flight back
depending upon what is going on in my life at the time. A three day con
is fine with me.

Marty

On 2/24/2011 9:07 PM, bruno@soulmasque.com wrote:
>
> People seem to be in consensus that CC runs until Noon on Monday, if
> there is programming or the archives roadshow to support it. How does
> the group feel about moving one of the smaller stage events or a new
> stage event to Monday. Do you think that would attract more people to
> stay on Monday? This is a question about the convention experience.
> It’s not a question about room nights.
>
> Michael
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

And Monday night too?

Nora

— On Fri, 2/25/11, Dora Buck <dfaybuck@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Dora Buck <dfaybuck@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [runacc] monday activities
To: “runacc@yahoogroups.com” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, February 25, 2011, 11:45 AM

Okay, Jumping in here for CC29.  We will have programming on Friday afternoon going to Monday noon.  The rest of the day is for day trips and hanging out.  The con suite will be open all day on Monday.

Dora Buck
Costume-Con 29 Chair

From: Martin Gear <MartinGear@comcast.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Cc:
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] monday activities

Just my personal opinion, but if the con Monday is not a holiday, then
I’d really rather not have to worry about program items on Monday. I
might want to sight see, or I might want to catch a flight back
depending upon what is going on in my life at the time. A three day con
is fine with me.

Marty

On 2/24/2011 9:07 PM, bruno@soulmasque.com wrote:
>
> People seem to be in consensus that CC runs until Noon on Monday, if
> there is programming or the archives roadshow to support it. How does
> the group feel about moving one of the smaller stage events or a new
> stage event to Monday. Do you think that would attract more people to
> stay on Monday? This is a question about the convention experience.
> It’s not a question about room nights.
>
> Michael
>
>

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Con suite will be open on Monday night also –

Dora Buck
Costume-Con 29 Chair

From: Bruce & Nora Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Cc:
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] monday activities

And Monday night too?

Nora

— On Fri, 2/25/11, Dora Buck <dfaybuck@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Dora Buck <dfaybuck@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [runacc] monday activities
To: “runacc@yahoogroups.com” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, February 25, 2011, 11:45 AM

Okay, Jumping in here for CC29.  We will have programming on Friday afternoon going to Monday noon.  The rest of the day is for day trips and hanging out.  The con suite will be open all day on Monday.

Dora Buck
Costume-Con 29 Chair

From: Martin Gear <MartinGear@comcast.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Cc:
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] monday activities

Just my personal opinion, but if the con Monday is not a holiday, then
I’d really rather not have to worry about program items on Monday. I
might want to sight see, or I might want to catch a flight back
depending upon what is going on in my life at the time. A three day con
is fine with me.

Marty

On 2/24/2011 9:07 PM, bruno@soulmasque.com wrote:
>
> People seem to be in consensus that CC runs until Noon on Monday, if
> there is programming or the archives roadshow to support it. How does
> the group feel about moving one of the smaller stage events or a new
> stage event to Monday. Do you think that would attract more people to
> stay on Monday? This is a question about the convention experience.
> It’s not a question about room nights.
>
> Michael
>
>

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I heard a good suggestion once that maybe Monday could be a good time for a repeat of a panel/course, provided there is enough interest in it. Noon or 1:00 is a good cut off time for official con activities. If it hasn’t been decided already, I don’t think putting a stage show on Monday would be very successful.

We’ve been getting good response from the Road Shows since CC25, when Pierre ran his “Masquerade of Champions” presentation at CC25 on Monday. That pretty much determined a good fit for Archive stuff. From my own observations, CC veterans make a good portion of Monday attendees, but we should work towards appealing to newer people. If one wants to retain more attendees, it might be a matter of coming up with something new that might take a few years to build up.

Speaking somewhat self-interestedly <g>, whatever the con would come up with would eventually lead to the Road Show, which would be the last event of the weekend.

What about a special breakfast/panel with some sort of programming? Just throwing an idea out there. Maybe an impromptu survey on the D list or even at the con should be done to see what would make people want to stay over? We’ll always be fighting the urge to want to leave on Monday, in any case. The Mouskerade (choose your spelling) has been fairly popular, but it’s not for everyone.

Bruce

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bruno@soulmasque.com
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 8:07 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] monday activities

People seem to be in consensus that CC runs until Noon on Monday, if
there is programming or the archives roadshow to support it. How does
the group feel about moving one of the smaller stage events or a new
stage event to Monday. Do you think that would attract more people to
stay on Monday? This is a question about the convention experience.
It’s not a question about room nights.

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Ah. That explains a lot.

Bruce

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gravely MacCabre
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 9:11 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] monday activities

be very careful on your contract about what rooms you have.
for 27 we gave up 80% of the space come 4 ish on monday, and somnehow they got
that down as all our space, and we were left with no con suite monday night for
the remaining folks. we sorta managed and moved to an empty room, but it was the
one thing the hotel screwed up on with us.
Gravely MacCabre

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It didn’t help that I was out of the building returning borrowed items
when this screw-up occurred or I could have shown Melissa a copy of the
contract and kept the rooms that we were supposed to have. By the time
that I got back and learned of this problem a kluge had been worked
out. Lesson to future Costume Cons, don’t let your Hotel Liaison leave
the building until the con is completely over with or unless he/she has
made certain that there is a deputy hotel liaison with a copy of the
contract on the premises.

Marty

On 2/25/2011 2:31 PM, Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:
>
> Ah. That explains a lot.
>
> Bruce
>
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>] On
> Behalf Of Gravely MacCabre
> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 9:11 AM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [runacc] monday activities
>
> be very careful on your contract about what rooms you have.
> for 27 we gave up 80% of the space come 4 ish on monday, and somnehow
> they got
> that down as all our space, and we were left with no con suite monday
> night for
> the remaining folks. we sorta managed and moved to an empty room, but
> it was the
> one thing the hotel screwed up on with us.
> Gravely MacCabre
>
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I can’t say whether a Monday stage event would entice more people to stay on Monday. However, by Monday, I’m con’d out and would not be interested in a stage event on that day.

Byron

On Feb 24, 2011, at 9:07 PM, <bruno@soulmasque.com> wrote:

> People seem to be in consensus that CC runs until Noon on Monday, if
> there is programming or the archives roadshow to support it. How does
> the group feel about moving one of the smaller stage events or a new
> stage event to Monday. Do you think that would attract more people to
> stay on Monday? This is a question about the convention experience.
> It’s not a question about room nights.
>
> Michael
>
>

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I concur. Monday morning is when the concom gets to take a deep breath, because all of the “events” have been wrapped up. And it’s for programming that does not include stress. One of my favorite Monday morning panels is the “this is how I made that” show-&-tell. All Oooohs and no Oys!

Elaine
Nil significat nisi oscillat!

>
> I can’t say whether a Monday stage event would entice more people to stay on Monday. However, by Monday, I’m con’d out and would not be interested in a stage event on that day.
>
> Byron
>
>
> On Feb 24, 2011, at 9:07 PM, <bruno@soulmasque.com> wrote:
>
> > People seem to be in consensus that CC runs until Noon on Monday, if
> > there is programming or the archives roadshow to support it. How does
> > the group feel about moving one of the smaller stage events or a new
> > stage event to Monday. Do you think that would attract more people to
> > stay on Monday? This is a question about the convention experience.
> > It’s not a question about room nights.
> >
> > Michael
> >
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So sorry if this comes off as rambling. Been walking in the sun all day at
Epcot, and I’m fuzzy brained.

First, IMHO, Show and Tell ought to be run twice – Once for the SF&F
masquerade, and again for the Fashion Show and Historical. I did it that way
the first time I ran the panel, way back when (CC11?!?).

Second, speaking to scheduling: Our area is heavily dominated by government
and school schedules and very few people involved in planning early CCs
worked retail. Having the ICG meeting on Monday morning made sense for these
holiday-weekends.

Frankly, with kids in school now, and being a single parent, I find it
really hard to justify the whole four-day con concept, three day weekend or
not. I am still waffling, hard, about this year’s CC, and am leaning quite
heavily against coming, especially since I’m in Florida at the moment,
taking a very much needed break, and I’ll be driving (AGAIN) out to Colorado
this coming summer. The added expense of a membership I don’t already have,
coupled with the extended cost of a hotel room is striking me as an extra I
can’t afford this year. The girls would not come with me whether I go or
not, because I can’t justify taking them out of school.

With the ICG meeting moved to Friday morning from Monday morning (where it
was for the first 16-18 years or more of the con’s history), it’s also
gotten much harder for me to justify staying Thursday through Monday and
traveling home Tuesday.

I love you all and the dead dog’s fun, but I don’t think it’s worth taking
extra vacation time.

In fact, if it weren’t for the late masquerade Sunday, I’d probably bail
Sunday night and just go home.

I know I’m odd one out at the moment, having taken the kid route late in the
game, but there it is.

My $0.02, adjusted for inflation and unemployment.

-Betsy

On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Elaine Mami <ecmami@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>
> I concur. Monday morning is when the concom gets to take a deep breath,
> because all of the “events” have been wrapped up. And it’s for programming
> that does not include stress. One of my favorite Monday morning panels is
> the “this is how I made that” show-&-tell. All Oooohs and no Oys!
>
>
> Elaine
> Nil significat nisi oscillat!
>

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http://www.hawkeswood.com/

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I would certainly agree with you Byron. By Monday, I enjoy more relaxing
panels and discussions–maybe shopping, and I remember a bunch of CC’s
where everyone would come back from shopping to the Con Suite, and show
off what they bought and everyone would “ooh and aah”, and it was just
wonderful sitting around talking, knitting, beading, whatever.

HAving the Con Suite be a welcoming, well-set-up place does make a
difference, some of my most cherished CC memories are of those times.

Yours in cosutming,Lis aA

On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 19:46:00 -0500 Byron Connell
<byronpconnell@gmail.com> writes:

> I can’t say whether a Monday stage event would entice more people to
> stay on Monday. However, by Monday, I’m con’d out and would not be
> interested in a stage event on that day.
>
> Byron
>
>
> On Feb 24, 2011, at 9:07 PM, <bruno@soulmasque.com> wrote:
>
> > People seem to be in consensus that CC runs until Noon on Monday, > >

the group feel about moving one of the smaller stage events or a

> new stage event to Monday. Do you think that would attract more people

to

> > stay on Monday? This is a question about the convention
> experience.

I can answer for some of the programming issues:

> First, IMHO, Show and Tell ought to be run twice – Once for the SF&F
> masquerade, and again for the Fashion Show and Historical. I did it

that way

> the first time I ran the panel, way back when (CC11?!?).

There will be separate “Show & Tell” panels for the FSF (this will be on
Sunday) and for the Historical, each moderated by its respective (and
respected!) MD. There are also separate panels for discussion about
the Future Fashion Folio and Show, and for the Single Pattern contest.
.

> Second, speaking to scheduling: Our area is heavily dominated by

government

> and school schedules and very few people involved in planning early

CCs

> worked retail. Having the ICG meeting on Monday morning made sense for

these

> holiday-weekends.

These days, it seems that our members have jobs covering the full
spectrum. And with the economy and employment the way it is, there may
be even more folks than usual who cannot attend due to work-related
issues, whether that means they have to conserve funds closely, or are
unable to get even a long weekend off, or are waiting until CC comes
closer to them geographically. It’s difficult for me as well–as a PA in
a very busy ER, that is generally short-staffed with Full-time staff, I
work many, many weekends, and holidays. Hopefully the economy will get
better, and the con will continue to grow and attract new members.

Personally, I LIKE having the ICG meeting on Friday morning, because I
think people aren’t brain-dead and exhausted by then, and then it’s a
natural segue into having Friday afternoon programming. I am planning
to have our Workshop area open Friday morning, and to have Open Beading &
Crafting , with a Round Table discussion of “What Impels Us to
Costume–Why Are We Here?” in the middle of that. The actual workshops
will begin Friday afternoon, when the rest of the program launches. The
program schedule for Friday afternoon is somewhat less crowded than for
Sat. and Sun., but there are some wonderful items being planned, and
quiet a spectrum of topics. Monday morning will present the ICG Video
Archive Road Show, as well as an offering of panels (about 2-3 per hour
of programming, as opposed to 4-5 per hour) that will finish about 1 pm.

> Frankly, with kids in school now, and being a single parent, I find it
> really hard to justify the whole four-day con concept, three day

weekend or not.

Having young children is a challenging time, whether you are a single
parent or not–I also worked FT with young children (one with a learning
disability), and m issed many cons because of school issues or parent
obligations. Life is just life, after all. It’s natural for one’s
children to take priority when they are young, no mistake. And even
having a spouse or partner doesn’t guarantee convention availability.

Yours in costuming, Lis aA

I posted CC31 to EventBrite last Wednesday. I got my first inquiry for
information the next day and got my first registration today from a
couple of first time attendees from South Dakota.

Michael

nice. them interwebs am amazing huh?

I was pleased/surprised how paypal made my life easier as well
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From: “bruno@soulmasque.com” <bruno@soulmasque.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, February 27, 2011 11:31:05 PM
Subject: [runacc] online registration

I posted CC31 to EventBrite last Wednesday. I got my first inquiry for
information the next day and got my first registration today from a
couple of first time attendees from South Dakota.

Michael

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On Feb 26, 2011, at 4:46 PM, Byron Connell wrote:

> I can’t say whether a Monday stage event would entice more people to stay on Monday. However, by Monday, I’m con’d out and would not be interested in a stage event on that day.

late to the discussion, I know, but…

Historical masquerade runs pretty late on Sunday, as do the celebrations by the winners (and everyone else). Having absolutely nothing on Monday makes for a really abrupt ending.

Light programming on Monday, though, even past noon, is a good thing. It’s a good time to run judging-related panels (because the competitions are over).

andy

Congratulations!

Byron

On Feb 27, 2011, at 11:31 PM, <bruno@soulmasque.com> wrote:

> I posted CC31 to EventBrite last Wednesday. I got my first inquiry for
> information the next day and got my first registration today from a
> couple of first time attendees from South Dakota.
>
> Michael
>
>

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To start, there was a great deal of “excellent” in this con, and not
just because someone did a Bill & Ted entry.

Hotel:
We could have done without the school kids and the Governor, but kudos
to the committee for dealing with those issues.

Hotel lay-out was a bit weird, the function room layout made it feel
simultaneously spread-out, claustrophobic and ghettoized, but there was
nothing the convention could really do about it.

While there were good servers in the restaurant and the food was decent,
service was pretty bad. This is an endemic problem in Hilton properties
these days, and a common problem with hotel restaurant management that
just doesn’t believe we need to eat. It doesn’t really reflect on the
committee.

The “Sky Room” for Friday night was great.

The ballroom for masquerade wasn’t optimal, but it’s what they had. Size
was good, but the low ceilings were a handicap.

I’ll let people in the shows comment definitively on the location and
size of green room. The location and path looked OK to me.

The suite for consuite was a good layout and size except at the busiest
times.

Reg:
Quick and efficient when I picked up. There were a few times (like
before F&SF) that it should have been open to sell masquerade tickets (I
was there when two women showed up who were just coming in to help an
entrant and the reg desk couldn’t sell tickets).

Tech:
What can I say? The gang is excellent and dealt successfully with
fucked-up rental agencies. They made the best of the low ceilings in the
ballroom. Joel, Larry and the rest of technofandom are always a joy to
work with.

Consuite:
Mostly excellent, except for the Friday night early closure (which was
very visible). I’m going to say what Betsy said to us when she found out
that CDs weren’t ripped and data entry was slow because of staffing
issues: Ask for help, at the first sign of trouble. Ask past and future
chairs if there’s someone attending who might have the necessary skills
to fill in. I would have helped. We ran hospitality at World Fantasy
2009, partially to verify whether or not we had really learned from
issues at CC26 (we avoided those same issues).

The Phoenix and Canada parties were fabulous.

Dealers’ Room:
Small, but quality. Nice variety. Having everything in one secureable
room would have been better, but you match demands and space as you can.

Exhibits/Hats/Dolls:
A little slow to start, but beautiful and varied. Kudos to the
organizers for getting so many people to show, and to everyone who showed.

Program:
People went to panels. Nearly every panel I saw, walked by or was on had
an audience (sometimes light, but an audience). Workshops appeared to be
very popular and well-attended.

Friday night social:
It felt like a social. The amateur theatricals were decent. It was a lot
of fun.

F&SF Masquerade:
Except for Chrism’s fall, great. I’ve heard a few complaints about Judy
Mitchell’s abruptness as a workmanship judge (and not just from Carole,
she was just loudest and most public as usual) but I’ve been referring
those to the directors. I expect we’ll hear complaints about awards. The
distribution of entrants among divisions is a bit worrying. I’ll cover
that at the end.

Fashion Show/Single Pattern:
With a half-and-half distribution? How did that happen? We saw a strong
group of fashion show entries and a strong group of single pattern
entries. The show ran smoothly. Very good. It was a bit late in the
afternoon, though, and I’m wondering how much that impacted tech
rehearsal for historical.

Historical:
Mostly excellent. Also the same concern about distribution of entries
among the divisions. I heard complaints about rehearsal and pre-judging
delays, along with how long the judging interval was. Award delays were
made worse by the lack of half-time entertainment (after the photo run).
Kevin can address the view from the inside.

Dead Dog:
Eric and Sue re-running the masquerades was cool, and it was nice giving
folks who missed the video masq submissions a chance to see them.

Promotion:
I said that I was concerned about the distribution of entrants. We’re
talking a huge proportion of master entries in each competition. Now
it’s really cool that we have that many master entries, and it makes for
a real blockbuster of a show…

…but the lack of novice and journeyman entries shows up that we’re not
reaching enough new people.

This is a bad thing. I know a lot of people like the quiet, intimate,
“everyone here is my friend” kind of vibe when, well, it’s mostly the
same people we see every year, but we can’t depend on that. The
Montrealers have been a breath of fresh air, but we need more new
people. We need enough new people that some of them decide to make this
an annual thing and we keep developing a strong core group that’s
interested in working the cons too.

andy

The Historical had 17 entries: 2 novice, 4 journeyman, 10 master, 1 not in competition. Setting the running order was a real challenge We made serious efforts to reach out to other costuming communities, with not very good success. Most cons are suffering reduced memberships. Many East Coast masquerades have become much smaller (6 to 8 entries at Lunacons and Philcons, zero at Albacon last year). Arisia continues to be the most prominent exception to both trends, for reasons that escape me. It is my firm impression that many costumers in other venues regard competition on our terms to be very scary and, in particular, to feel that they cannot produce costumes of the quality we normally see. Costume-Con is suffering from being viewed as the pinnacle of excellence. Within our own part of the costuming communities, the Historical masquerade makes even SF costumers who normally compete in the master division nervous, as clearly was the case with one of our journeyman entries. It is, after all, the only one of its kind on the continent.

The Historical judging was over in 45 minutes. The rest of the time was taken up by writing out the official list and filling out the award certificates. I insisted they be done in time to hand to the winners.

Andy, may I have permission to cross-post your comments to the SLUTs? We’re working on our own critique and probably would benefit from some of your comments that differ from those expressed on that list. To the CC29 staff list, too.

Byron

On May 8, 2011, at 6:43 PM, Andrew T Trembley wrote:

> To start, there was a great deal of “excellent” in this con, and not
> just because someone did a Bill & Ted entry.
>
> Hotel:
> We could have done without the school kids and the Governor, but kudos
> to the committee for dealing with those issues.
>
> Hotel lay-out was a bit weird, the function room layout made it feel
> simultaneously spread-out, claustrophobic and ghettoized, but there was
> nothing the convention could really do about it.
>
> While there were good servers in the restaurant and the food was decent,
> service was pretty bad. This is an endemic problem in Hilton properties
> these days, and a common problem with hotel restaurant management that
> just doesn’t believe we need to eat. It doesn’t really reflect on the
> committee.
>
> The “Sky Room” for Friday night was great.
>
> The ballroom for masquerade wasn’t optimal, but it’s what they had. Size
> was good, but the low ceilings were a handicap.
>
> I’ll let people in the shows comment definitively on the location and
> size of green room. The location and path looked OK to me.
>
> The suite for consuite was a good layout and size except at the busiest
> times.
>
> Reg:
> Quick and efficient when I picked up. There were a few times (like
> before F&SF) that it should have been open to sell masquerade tickets (I
> was there when two women showed up who were just coming in to help an
> entrant and the reg desk couldn’t sell tickets).
>
> Tech:
> What can I say? The gang is excellent and dealt successfully with
> fucked-up rental agencies. They made the best of the low ceilings in the
> ballroom. Joel, Larry and the rest of technofandom are always a joy to
> work with.
>
> Consuite:
> Mostly excellent, except for the Friday night early closure (which was
> very visible). I’m going to say what Betsy said to us when she found out
> that CDs weren’t ripped and data entry was slow because of staffing
> issues: Ask for help, at the first sign of trouble. Ask past and future
> chairs if there’s someone attending who might have the necessary skills
> to fill in. I would have helped. We ran hospitality at World Fantasy
> 2009, partially to verify whether or not we had really learned from
> issues at CC26 (we avoided those same issues).
>
> The Phoenix and Canada parties were fabulous.
>
> Dealers’ Room:
> Small, but quality. Nice variety. Having everything in one secureable
> room would have been better, but you match demands and space as you can.
>
> Exhibits/Hats/Dolls:
> A little slow to start, but beautiful and varied. Kudos to the
> organizers for getting so many people to show, and to everyone who showed.
>
> Program:
> People went to panels. Nearly every panel I saw, walked by or was on had
> an audience (sometimes light, but an audience). Workshops appeared to be
> very popular and well-attended.
>
> Friday night social:
> It felt like a social. The amateur theatricals were decent. It was a lot
> of fun.
>
> F&SF Masquerade:
> Except for Chrism’s fall, great. I’ve heard a few complaints about Judy
> Mitchell’s abruptness as a workmanship judge (and not just from Carole,
> she was just loudest and most public as usual) but I’ve been referring
> those to the directors. I expect we’ll hear complaints about awards. The
> distribution of entrants among divisions is a bit worrying. I’ll cover
> that at the end.
>
> Fashion Show/Single Pattern:
> With a half-and-half distribution? How did that happen? We saw a strong
> group of fashion show entries and a strong group of single pattern
> entries. The show ran smoothly. Very good. It was a bit late in the
> afternoon, though, and I’m wondering how much that impacted tech
> rehearsal for historical.
>
> Historical:
> Mostly excellent. Also the same concern about distribution of entries
> among the divisions. I heard complaints about rehearsal and pre-judging
> delays, along with how long the judging interval was. Award delays were
> made worse by the lack of half-time entertainment (after the photo run).
> Kevin can address the view from the inside.
>
> Dead Dog:
> Eric and Sue re-running the masquerades was cool, and it was nice giving
> folks who missed the video masq submissions a chance to see them.
>
> Promotion:
> I said that I was concerned about the distribution of entrants. We’re
> talking a huge proportion of master entries in each competition. Now
> it’s really cool that we have that many master entries, and it makes for
> a real blockbuster of a show…
>
> …but the lack of novice and journeyman entries shows up that we’re not
> reaching enough new people.
>
> This is a bad thing. I know a lot of people like the quiet, intimate,
> “everyone here is my friend” kind of vibe when, well, it’s mostly the
> same people we see every year, but we can’t depend on that. The
> Montrealers have been a breath of fresh air, but we need more new
> people. We need enough new people that some of them decide to make this
> an annual thing and we keep developing a strong core group that’s
> interested in working the cons too.
>
> andy
>

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