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Group: runacc Message: 2151 From: Margie Date: 12/29/2010
Subject: Re: perpetual CC mailing list
Group: runacc Message: 2152 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 12/29/2010
Subject: Re: perpetual CC mailing list
Group: runacc Message: 2153 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair Date: 12/29/2010
Subject: Re: perpetual CC mailing list
Group: runacc Message: 2154 From: Bruno Date: 12/29/2010
Subject: Re: perpetual CC mailing list
Group: runacc Message: 2155 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: Re: perpetual CC mailing list
Group: runacc Message: 2156 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: Re: perpetual CC mailing list
Group: runacc Message: 2157 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: Re: perpetual CC mailing list
Group: runacc Message: 2158 From: Nora Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: Re: perpetual CC mailing list
Group: runacc Message: 2159 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: Re: perpetual CC mailing list
Group: runacc Message: 2160 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: Re: perpetual CC mailing list
Group: runacc Message: 2161 From: Margie Date: 1/1/2011
Subject: Re: perpetual CC mailing list
Group: runacc Message: 2162 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 1/1/2011
Subject: Re: perpetual CC mailing list
Group: runacc Message: 2163 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 2/1/2011
Subject: Fwd: [colocons] FW: Convention Organizers
Group: runacc Message: 2164 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 2/23/2011
Subject: monday activities
Group: runacc Message: 2165 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 2/23/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities
Group: runacc Message: 2166 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 2/23/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities
Group: runacc Message: 2167 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities
Group: runacc Message: 2168 From: Lisa A Ashton Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities
Group: runacc Message: 2169 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities
Group: runacc Message: 2170 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities
Group: runacc Message: 2171 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities
Group: runacc Message: 2172 From: Elaine Mami Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities
Group: runacc Message: 2173 From: Elaine Mami Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities
Group: runacc Message: 2174 From: Kevin Roche Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities
Group: runacc Message: 2175 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities
Group: runacc Message: 2176 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities
Group: runacc Message: 2177 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities
Group: runacc Message: 2178 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities
Group: runacc Message: 2179 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities
Group: runacc Message: 2180 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities
Group: runacc Message: 2181 From: Martin Gear Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities
Group: runacc Message: 2182 From: Lisa A Ashton Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities
Group: runacc Message: 2183 From: Dora Buck Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities
Group: runacc Message: 2184 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities
Group: runacc Message: 2185 From: Dora Buck Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities
Group: runacc Message: 2186 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities
Group: runacc Message: 2187 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities – Ricky
Group: runacc Message: 2188 From: Martin Gear Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities – Ricky
Group: runacc Message: 2189 From: Byron Connell Date: 2/26/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities
Group: runacc Message: 2190 From: Elaine Mami Date: 2/26/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities
Group: runacc Message: 2191 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 2/26/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities
Group: runacc Message: 2192 From: Lisa A Ashton Date: 2/27/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities
Group: runacc Message: 2193 From: Lisa A Ashton Date: 2/27/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities
Group: runacc Message: 2194 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 2/27/2011
Subject: online registration
Group: runacc Message: 2195 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 2/27/2011
Subject: Re: online registration
Group: runacc Message: 2196 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 3/1/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities
Group: runacc Message: 2197 From: Byron Connell Date: 3/1/2011
Subject: Re: online registration
Group: runacc Message: 2198 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/8/2011
Subject: What, silence on CC29?
Group: runacc Message: 2199 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/8/2011
Subject: CC29 report from the Minnesotans
Group: runacc Message: 2200 From: Byron Connell Date: 5/8/2011
Subject: Re: What, silence on CC29?

 


 

Group: runacc Message: 2151 From: Margie Date: 12/29/2010
Subject: Re: perpetual CC mailing list

I have an Excel spreadsheet that is called “CC26 Shareable Contacts”, and there are 557 names on it. I’ve gone ahead and added you to the list, Michael, as it sounds like that’s what you were asking for.

To correct Elaine, no, we have not added anyone to it yet, because we’ve not provided any “vehicle” for new folks to join it. However, I’m confident that we can either email any of our members not on the list and ask them, or collect this data at CC30 Registration.

Henry, if you have CC28’s data to contribute to this list (people who’ve specifically stated they’d like to be informed of future CC’s — not just a registration database) it’d be fabulous if you could send me the info, in any form, even copies of registration forms would be fine with me. I can enter the data into the spreadsheet.

I don’t know if CC27 added any data to the list either (no way for me to tell by looking).

Dora, do you have a copy of this list already? If not, give the word, and I’ll happily give you access. (I’ve uploaded the data into a restricted Google Doc, so anyone with access gets the most up to date version that exists — much more efficient than trying to keep multiple copies of it up-to-date in different cities.)

Michael, whenever you’d like access to this info, I’m happy to add you as “sharing” on it, of course, too.

-Marg

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Michael” <bruno@…> wrote:
>
> I believe there was a movement to collect names/addresses/email addresses to create a permanent CC mailing list. I know I have the option to join the list on my registration forms. Does that list exist yet? If so, who has it?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> Michael
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2152 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 12/29/2010
Subject: Re: perpetual CC mailing list

A quick comment: Google Docs is an awesome file-sharing medium. I strongly
encourage its use! If you’ve created a doc that can be shared with the folks
on this list, would you please also go to the Yahoo Groups page and add a
link to the doc there? That way, we don’t rely solely on institutional
memory. See the link at the bottom of this message for “Visit Your Group” to
find the links page.

Huge thanks!

Betsy

On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Margie <marg1066@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> I have an Excel spreadsheet that is called “CC26 Shareable Contacts”, and
> there are 557 names on it. I’ve gone ahead and added you to the list,
> Michael, as it sounds like that’s what you were asking for.
>
> To correct Elaine, no, we have not added anyone to it yet, because we’ve
> not provided any “vehicle” for new folks to join it. However, I’m confident
> that we can either email any of our members not on the list and ask them, or
> collect this data at CC30 Registration.
>
> Henry, if you have CC28’s data to contribute to this list (people who’ve
> specifically stated they’d like to be informed of future CC’s — not just a
> registration database) it’d be fabulous if you could send me the info, in
> any form, even copies of registration forms would be fine with me. I can
> enter the data into the spreadsheet.
>
> I don’t know if CC27 added any data to the list either (no way for me to
> tell by looking).
>
> Dora, do you have a copy of this list already? If not, give the word, and
> I’ll happily give you access. (I’ve uploaded the data into a restricted
> Google Doc, so anyone with access gets the most up to date version that
> exists — much more efficient than trying to keep multiple copies of it
> up-to-date in different cities.)
>
> Michael, whenever you’d like access to this info, I’m happy to add you as
> “sharing” on it, of course, too.
>
> -Marg
>
>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc%40yahoogroups.com>, “Michael”
> <bruno@…> wrote:
> >
> > I believe there was a movement to collect names/addresses/email addresses
> to create a permanent CC mailing list. I know I have the option to join the
> list on my registration forms. Does that list exist yet? If so, who has it?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> > Michael
> >
>
>
>




Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

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Group: runacc Message: 2153 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair Date: 12/29/2010
Subject: Re: perpetual CC mailing list

To add to what Margie said — that spreadsheet started as the result of
the question we included in the CC26 reg system giving us permission to
pass contact information forward to future CCs.

In terms of folks planning future Costume-Cons, it is really important
to *ask* that question during the registration process, because it is at
that moment you are already collecting all the critical info, and it
makes it very simple to filter those people who said yes into a list to
pass forward.

With the current privacy laws, passing the info forward without
permission is a dicey proposition.

Kevin

On 12/29/2010 7:11 AM, Margie wrote:
>
> I have an Excel spreadsheet that is called “CC26 Shareable Contacts”,
> and there are 557 names on it. I’ve gone ahead and added you to the
> list, Michael, as it sounds like that’s what you were asking for.
>
> To correct Elaine, no, we have not added anyone to it yet, because
> we’ve not provided any “vehicle” for new folks to join it. However,
> I’m confident that we can either email any of our members not on the
> list and ask them, or collect this data at CC30 Registration.
>
> Henry, if you have CC28’s data to contribute to this list (people
> who’ve specifically stated they’d like to be informed of future CC’s
> — not just a registration database) it’d be fabulous if you could
> send me the info, in any form, even copies of registration forms would
> be fine with me. I can enter the data into the spreadsheet.
>
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2154 From: Bruno Date: 12/29/2010
Subject: Re: perpetual CC mailing list

My registration forms have opt-ins for ePublications and the CC mailing list.

Michael

Quoting “Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair” <chair@cc26.org>:

> To add to what Margie said — that spreadsheet started as the result of
> the question we included in the CC26 reg system giving us permission to
> pass contact information forward to future CCs.
>
> In terms of folks planning future Costume-Cons, it is really important
> to *ask* that question during the registration process, because it is at
> that moment you are already collecting all the critical info, and it
> makes it very simple to filter those people who said yes into a list to
> pass forward.
>
> With the current privacy laws, passing the info forward without
> permission is a dicey proposition.
>
> Kevin
>
> On 12/29/2010 7:11 AM, Margie wrote:
>>
>> I have an Excel spreadsheet that is called “CC26 Shareable Contacts”,
>> and there are 557 names on it. I’ve gone ahead and added you to the
>> list, Michael, as it sounds like that’s what you were asking for.
>>
>> To correct Elaine, no, we have not added anyone to it yet, because
>> we’ve not provided any “vehicle” for new folks to join it. However,
>> I’m confident that we can either email any of our members not on the
>> list and ask them, or collect this data at CC30 Registration.
>>
>> Henry, if you have CC28’s data to contribute to this list (people
>> who’ve specifically stated they’d like to be informed of future CC’s
>> — not just a registration database) it’d be fabulous if you could
>> send me the info, in any form, even copies of registration forms would
>> be fine with me. I can enter the data into the spreadsheet.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2155 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: Re: perpetual CC mailing list

Okay, maybe I’m missing the point here, but shouldn’t this kind of document
be available ON the “Run A CC” Yahoo group? This list is supposed be for
future committees, among other folks. I don’t have an objection to Google
docs per se (other than it’s yet another group I’d possibly have to be
involved with). Costume-Con 25 was the first to implement this share list
idea, so we’d like to see this mailing list idea continued. It’s
definitely beneficial to the future cons.

Bruce

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Betsy Delaney
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 10:02 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: perpetual CC mailing list

A quick comment: Google Docs is an awesome file-sharing medium. I strongly
encourage its use! If you’ve created a doc that can be shared with the folks
on this list, would you please also go to the Yahoo Groups page and add a
link to the doc there? That way, we don’t rely solely on institutional
memory. See the link at the bottom of this message for “Visit Your Group” to
find the links page.

Huge thanks!

Betsy

On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Margie <marg1066@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> I have an Excel spreadsheet that is called “CC26 Shareable Contacts”, and
> there are 557 names on it. I’ve gone ahead and added you to the list,
> Michael, as it sounds like that’s what you were asking for.
>
> To correct Elaine, no, we have not added anyone to it yet, because we’ve
> not provided any “vehicle” for new folks to join it. However, I’m
confident
> that we can either email any of our members not on the list and ask them,
or
> collect this data at CC30 Registration.
>
> Henry, if you have CC28’s data to contribute to this list (people who’ve
> specifically stated they’d like to be informed of future CC’s — not just
a
> registration database) it’d be fabulous if you could send me the info, in
> any form, even copies of registration forms would be fine with me. I can
> enter the data into the spreadsheet.
>
> I don’t know if CC27 added any data to the list either (no way for me to
> tell by looking).
>
> Dora, do you have a copy of this list already? If not, give the word, and
> I’ll happily give you access. (I’ve uploaded the data into a restricted
> Google Doc, so anyone with access gets the most up to date version that
> exists — much more efficient than trying to keep multiple copies of it
> up-to-date in different cities.)
>
> Michael, whenever you’d like access to this info, I’m happy to add you as
> “sharing” on it, of course, too.
>
> -Marg
>
>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc%40yahoogroups.com>, “Michael”
> <bruno@…> wrote:
> >
> > I believe there was a movement to collect names/addresses/email
addresses
> to create a permanent CC mailing list. I know I have the option to join
the
> list on my registration forms. Does that list exist yet? If so, who has
it?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> > Michael
> >
>
>
>




Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

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Group: runacc Message: 2156 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 12/30/2010
Subject: Re: perpetual CC mailing list

Hi, Bruce!

I’ll point out that I created the RunaCC list precisely so we could
share stuff with committee members. It’s a tool, but not necessarily the
only one we should use.

The cool thing Google does (that I don’t think Yahoo does just yet, but
feel free to correct me if I’m wrong) is allow collaborative access to
documents: Not just to read them but also to edit them. I just spent a
bunch of time helping to organize our group trip down to Walt Disney
World (coordinated between 15 people) via Google Docs using their
spreadsheet. It was a piece of cake. Everyone got to edit their data,
and everyone got to see what was going on when. Helped a whole lot with
the planning process in general.

The last time I checked Yahoo allowed for upload of files, but not for
editing those files amongst the group. I think (but could be wrong) that
only the original document owner or the moderator can edit a Yahoo doc.
I don’t have that kind of time.

You don’t need a Google account to make changes to Google docs. You just
need to set the doc with the proper permissions. Sharing the link with
the group should do it. (There’s a setting for allowing anyone with the
link to edit, and for keeping the doc private unless the link is shared
elsewhere.)

If I understand your concern, you’re thinking we’d need to set up a
whole new group there. Not so. All you have to do is share the link to
the document.

If Yahoo can, in fact, allow for collaborative editing, then by all
means we should leave the document here. It’s a much uglier thing to
have more than one list floating around, because the margin for error
increases with each copy. I have a personal preference for Yahoo’s group
function over Google’s (one of the few things that they still do right).

If not, I don’t see the harm in putting the doc on Google, so that it’s
the One True List, editable by each committee, downloadable when we need
to merge for a mailing.

If this gets to be a serious mailing endeavor, I believe Yahoo also has
a database function, in which case we could import the data to the
database and use that.

I’d say we’re way under-utilizing the tools we have on this group site
in general, but maybe we don’t need the calendar and other features.

Other opinions welcome. You’ve got mine!

Happy New Year!!!

Cheers,

Betsy

On 12/30/2010 6:09 PM, Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:
> Okay, maybe I’m missing the point here, but shouldn’t this kind of document
> be available ON the “Run A CC” Yahoo group? This list is supposed be for
> future committees, among other folks. I don’t have an objection to Google
> docs per se (other than it’s yet another group I’d possibly have to be
> involved with). Costume-Con 25 was the first to implement this share list
> idea, so we’d like to see this mailing list idea continued. It’s
> definitely beneficial to the future cons.
>
> Bruce



Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

Group: runacc Message: 2157 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: Re: perpetual CC mailing list

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Nora & Bruce Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> Okay, maybe I’m missing the point here, but shouldn’t this kind of document
> be available ON the “Run A CC” Yahoo group? This list is supposed be for
> future committees, among other folks. I don’t have an objection to Google
> docs per se (other than it’s yet another group I’d possibly have to be
> involved with). Costume-Con 25 was the first to implement this share list
> idea, so we’d like to see this mailing list idea continued. It’s
> definitely beneficial to the future cons.
>
>
>
> Bruce
>
>

While it sounds like a good idea in theory, I don’t think it’s a good idea.
We’re talking about people’s private information covered by privacy laws.
It’s probably stretching the law a bit to say that “permission to pass on to
future costume cons” can be translated to “can be posted on a semi-private
weblist that includes future costume-con runners and other people”,
especially if some well-meaning member of the list utilized that private
information for some other purpose. It’s safer for all of us if the list
stays as a passdown from con to con, even if that makes it a little more
likely to get lost.

~Aurora

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Group: runacc Message: 2158 From: Nora Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: Re: perpetual CC mailing list

Treu, Yahoo doesn’t allow editing.
If you can just lin from Google… but I don’t think allowing open access to the document would be good. Kind of negates the specific usage permission associated with it. It’d need to have fairly specific rights assigned to it.

Nora

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Betsy Delaney <aramintamd@…> wrote:
>
> Hi, Bruce!
>
> I’ll point out that I created the RunaCC list precisely so we could
> share stuff with committee members. It’s a tool, but not necessarily the
> only one we should use.
>
> The cool thing Google does (that I don’t think Yahoo does just yet, but
> feel free to correct me if I’m wrong) is allow collaborative access to
> documents: Not just to read them but also to edit them. I just spent a
> bunch of time helping to organize our group trip down to Walt Disney
> World (coordinated between 15 people) via Google Docs using their
> spreadsheet. It was a piece of cake. Everyone got to edit their data,
> and everyone got to see what was going on when. Helped a whole lot with
> the planning process in general.
>
> The last time I checked Yahoo allowed for upload of files, but not for
> editing those files amongst the group. I think (but could be wrong) that
> only the original document owner or the moderator can edit a Yahoo doc.
> I don’t have that kind of time.
>
> You don’t need a Google account to make changes to Google docs. You just
> need to set the doc with the proper permissions. Sharing the link with
> the group should do it. (There’s a setting for allowing anyone with the
> link to edit, and for keeping the doc private unless the link is shared
> elsewhere.)
>
> If I understand your concern, you’re thinking we’d need to set up a
> whole new group there. Not so. All you have to do is share the link to
> the document.
>
> If Yahoo can, in fact, allow for collaborative editing, then by all
> means we should leave the document here. It’s a much uglier thing to
> have more than one list floating around, because the margin for error
> increases with each copy. I have a personal preference for Yahoo’s group
> function over Google’s (one of the few things that they still do right).
>
> If not, I don’t see the harm in putting the doc on Google, so that it’s
> the One True List, editable by each committee, downloadable when we need
> to merge for a mailing.
>
> If this gets to be a serious mailing endeavor, I believe Yahoo also has
> a database function, in which case we could import the data to the
> database and use that.
>
> I’d say we’re way under-utilizing the tools we have on this group site
> in general, but maybe we don’t need the calendar and other features.
>
> Other opinions welcome. You’ve got mine!
>
> Happy New Year!!!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Betsy
>
> On 12/30/2010 6:09 PM, Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:
> > Okay, maybe I’m missing the point here, but shouldn’t this kind of document
> > be available ON the “Run A CC” Yahoo group? This list is supposed be for
> > future committees, among other folks. I don’t have an objection to Google
> > docs per se (other than it’s yet another group I’d possibly have to be
> > involved with). Costume-Con 25 was the first to implement this share list
> > idea, so we’d like to see this mailing list idea continued. It’s
> > definitely beneficial to the future cons.
> >
> > Bruce
>
> —
> —
> Betsy Marks Delaney
>
> http://www.hawkeswood.com/
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2159 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: Re: perpetual CC mailing list

Truth. Darn.

I suppose if we limited access to only those folks directly responsible for
membership at each CC, that would satisfy the question, but I suspect the
passdown method is the most secure.

Henry, I think this means you probably need to kick the update of your data
into a higher priority queue, so you can pass the most current info to CC29
ASAP.

Can you find someone else to do the work?

Note: The biggest disadvantage to keeping it as a passdown is that all
concoms need to remember to pass the updated document to three separate
committees, and to make the updates high priority, along with closing the
books on the con. If everyone agrees that the only way to get on the list is
to wait till after each con is over, then presumably once the data is
updated, the con that just ended will then send the newly updated list to
the next three cons along with the pass-through funds.

Clunky, but maybe for the best.

Karen, I hate to ask this: Would it make sense to include something on this
topic in the ConStitution (if you haven’t already done it)? I don’t think
the subject’s ever been addressed there, but I could be wrong…

Cheers,

Betsy

On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Nora <von_drago@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
> Treu, Yahoo doesn’t allow editing.
> If you can just lin from Google… but I don’t think allowing open access
> to the document would be good. Kind of negates the specific usage permission
> associated with it. It’d need to have fairly specific rights assigned to it.
>
> Nora
>
>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com <runacc%40yahoogroups.com>, Betsy Delaney
> <aramintamd@…> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Bruce!
> >
> > I’ll point out that I created the RunaCC list precisely so we could
> > share stuff with committee members. It’s a tool, but not necessarily the
> > only one we should use.
> >
> > The cool thing Google does (that I don’t think Yahoo does just yet, but
> > feel free to correct me if I’m wrong) is allow collaborative access to
> > documents: Not just to read them but also to edit them. I just spent a
> > bunch of time helping to organize our group trip down to Walt Disney
> > World (coordinated between 15 people) via Google Docs using their
> > spreadsheet. It was a piece of cake. Everyone got to edit their data,
> > and everyone got to see what was going on when. Helped a whole lot with
> > the planning process in general.
> >
> > The last time I checked Yahoo allowed for upload of files, but not for
> > editing those files amongst the group. I think (but could be wrong) that
> > only the original document owner or the moderator can edit a Yahoo doc.
> > I don’t have that kind of time.
> >
> > You don’t need a Google account to make changes to Google docs. You just
> > need to set the doc with the proper permissions. Sharing the link with
> > the group should do it. (There’s a setting for allowing anyone with the
> > link to edit, and for keeping the doc private unless the link is shared
> > elsewhere.)
> >
> > If I understand your concern, you’re thinking we’d need to set up a
> > whole new group there. Not so. All you have to do is share the link to
> > the document.
> >
> > If Yahoo can, in fact, allow for collaborative editing, then by all
> > means we should leave the document here. It’s a much uglier thing to
> > have more than one list floating around, because the margin for error
> > increases with each copy. I have a personal preference for Yahoo’s group
> > function over Google’s (one of the few things that they still do right).
> >
> > If not, I don’t see the harm in putting the doc on Google, so that it’s
> > the One True List, editable by each committee, downloadable when we need
> > to merge for a mailing.
> >
> > If this gets to be a serious mailing endeavor, I believe Yahoo also has
> > a database function, in which case we could import the data to the
> > database and use that.
> >
> > I’d say we’re way under-utilizing the tools we have on this group site
> > in general, but maybe we don’t need the calendar and other features.
> >
> > Other opinions welcome. You’ve got mine!
> >
> > Happy New Year!!!
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Betsy
> >
> > On 12/30/2010 6:09 PM, Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:
> > > Okay, maybe I’m missing the point here, but shouldn’t this kind of
> document
> > > be available ON the “Run A CC” Yahoo group? This list is supposed be
> for
> > > future committees, among other folks. I don’t have an objection to
> Google
> > > docs per se (other than it’s yet another group I’d possibly have to be
> > > involved with). Costume-Con 25 was the first to implement this share
> list
> > > idea, so we’d like to see this mailing list idea continued. It’s
> > > definitely beneficial to the future cons.
> > >
> > > Bruce
> >
> > —
> > —
> > Betsy Marks Delaney
> >
> > http://www.hawkeswood.com/
> >
>
>
>




Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 2160 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 12/31/2010
Subject: Re: perpetual CC mailing list
Okay, you’ve clarified that a little. No – I hadn’t intended to have a new
group created (Oh, Lord!). For some reason, I thought it was easier to edit
docs in the Yahoo files, but I suppose that would require everyone to have
Excel or some sort of spreadsheet software. I suppose that if this Google
docs thing is easier to work with and is less tech-geeky, that’s okay.

Bruce

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Betsy Delaney
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 9:11 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: perpetual CC mailing list

Hi, Bruce!

I’ll point out that I created the RunaCC list precisely so we could
share stuff with committee members. It’s a tool, but not necessarily the
only one we should use.

The cool thing Google does (that I don’t think Yahoo does just yet, but
feel free to correct me if I’m wrong) is allow collaborative access to
documents: Not just to read them but also to edit them. I just spent a
bunch of time helping to organize our group trip down to Walt Disney
World (coordinated between 15 people) via Google Docs using their
spreadsheet. It was a piece of cake. Everyone got to edit their data,
and everyone got to see what was going on when. Helped a whole lot with
the planning process in general.

The last time I checked Yahoo allowed for upload of files, but not for
editing those files amongst the group. I think (but could be wrong) that
only the original document owner or the moderator can edit a Yahoo doc.
I don’t have that kind of time.

You don’t need a Google account to make changes to Google docs. You just
need to set the doc with the proper permissions. Sharing the link with
the group should do it. (There’s a setting for allowing anyone with the
link to edit, and for keeping the doc private unless the link is shared
elsewhere.)

If I understand your concern, you’re thinking we’d need to set up a
whole new group there. Not so. All you have to do is share the link to
the document.

If Yahoo can, in fact, allow for collaborative editing, then by all
means we should leave the document here. It’s a much uglier thing to
have more than one list floating around, because the margin for error
increases with each copy. I have a personal preference for Yahoo’s group
function over Google’s (one of the few things that they still do right).

If not, I don’t see the harm in putting the doc on Google, so that it’s
the One True List, editable by each committee, downloadable when we need
to merge for a mailing.

If this gets to be a serious mailing endeavor, I believe Yahoo also has
a database function, in which case we could import the data to the
database and use that.

I’d say we’re way under-utilizing the tools we have on this group site
in general, but maybe we don’t need the calendar and other features.

Other opinions welcome. You’ve got mine!

Happy New Year!!!

Cheers,

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 2161 From: Margie Date: 1/1/2011
Subject: Re: perpetual CC mailing list

I have shared the Google Doc with Dora and Michael (Dora already may have her own copy, I don’t know) — hopefully all will update this single document so that we all have current data.

As it is technically “private” data, I didn’t think it was appropriate to put a link to it in this Yahoo group. As long as it is shared with the upcoming chairs, and whomever they deem necessary, I think we’re okay.

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Nora & Bruce Mai” <casamai@…> wrote:
>
> Okay, you’ve clarified that a little. No – I hadn’t intended to have a new
> group created (Oh, Lord!). For some reason, I thought it was easier to edit
> docs in the Yahoo files, but I suppose that would require everyone to have
> Excel or some sort of spreadsheet software. I suppose that if this Google
> docs thing is easier to work with and is less tech-geeky, that’s okay.
>
>
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Betsy Delaney
> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 9:11 PM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: perpetual CC mailing list
>
>
>
> Hi, Bruce!
>
> I’ll point out that I created the RunaCC list precisely so we could
> share stuff with committee members. It’s a tool, but not necessarily the
> only one we should use.
>
> The cool thing Google does (that I don’t think Yahoo does just yet, but
> feel free to correct me if I’m wrong) is allow collaborative access to
> documents: Not just to read them but also to edit them. I just spent a
> bunch of time helping to organize our group trip down to Walt Disney
> World (coordinated between 15 people) via Google Docs using their
> spreadsheet. It was a piece of cake. Everyone got to edit their data,
> and everyone got to see what was going on when. Helped a whole lot with
> the planning process in general.
>
> The last time I checked Yahoo allowed for upload of files, but not for
> editing those files amongst the group. I think (but could be wrong) that
> only the original document owner or the moderator can edit a Yahoo doc.
> I don’t have that kind of time.
>
> You don’t need a Google account to make changes to Google docs. You just
> need to set the doc with the proper permissions. Sharing the link with
> the group should do it. (There’s a setting for allowing anyone with the
> link to edit, and for keeping the doc private unless the link is shared
> elsewhere.)
>
> If I understand your concern, you’re thinking we’d need to set up a
> whole new group there. Not so. All you have to do is share the link to
> the document.
>
> If Yahoo can, in fact, allow for collaborative editing, then by all
> means we should leave the document here. It’s a much uglier thing to
> have more than one list floating around, because the margin for error
> increases with each copy. I have a personal preference for Yahoo’s group
> function over Google’s (one of the few things that they still do right).
>
> If not, I don’t see the harm in putting the doc on Google, so that it’s
> the One True List, editable by each committee, downloadable when we need
> to merge for a mailing.
>
> If this gets to be a serious mailing endeavor, I believe Yahoo also has
> a database function, in which case we could import the data to the
> database and use that.
>
> I’d say we’re way under-utilizing the tools we have on this group site
> in general, but maybe we don’t need the calendar and other features.
>
> Other opinions welcome. You’ve got mine!
>
> Happy New Year!!!
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2162 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 1/1/2011
Subject: Re: perpetual CC mailing list

Hi; Margie!

I think you will need to add Henry or he won’t be able to add the
names/corrections from last year.

Cheers,

Betsy

Betsy Marks Delaney

On Jan 1, 2011 2:25 PM, “Margie” <marg1066@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have shared the Google Doc with Dora and Michael (Dora already may have
her own copy, I don’t know) — hopefully all will update this single
document so that we all have current data.
>
> As it is technically “private” data, I didn’t think it was appropriate to
put a link to it in this Yahoo group. As long as it is shared with the
upcoming chairs, and whomever they deem necessary, I think we’re okay.
>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Nora & Bruce Mai” <casamai@…> wrote:
>>
>> Okay, you’ve clarified that a little. No – I hadn’t intended to have a
new
>> group created (Oh, Lord!). For some reason, I thought it was easier to
edit
>> docs in the Yahoo files, but I suppose that would require everyone to
have
>> Excel or some sort of spreadsheet software. I suppose that if this Google
>> docs thing is easier to work with and is less tech-geeky, that’s okay.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>>
>>
>> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
>> Betsy Delaney
>> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 9:11 PM
>> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: perpetual CC mailing list
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi, Bruce!
>>
>> I’ll point out that I created the RunaCC list precisely so we could
>> share stuff with committee members. It’s a tool, but not necessarily the
>> only one we should use.
>>
>> The cool thing Google does (that I don’t think Yahoo does just yet, but
>> feel free to correct me if I’m wrong) is allow collaborative access to
>> documents: Not just to read them but also to edit them. I just spent a
>> bunch of time helping to organize our group trip down to Walt Disney
>> World (coordinated between 15 people) via Google Docs using their
>> spreadsheet. It was a piece of cake. Everyone got to edit their data,
>> and everyone got to see what was going on when. Helped a whole lot with
>> the planning process in general.
>>
>> The last time I checked Yahoo allowed for upload of files, but not for
>> editing those files amongst the group. I think (but could be wrong) that
>> only the original document owner or the moderator can edit a Yahoo doc.
>> I don’t have that kind of time.
>>
>> You don’t need a Google account to make changes to Google docs. You just
>> need to set the doc with the proper permissions. Sharing the link with
>> the group should do it. (There’s a setting for allowing anyone with the
>> link to edit, and for keeping the doc private unless the link is shared
>> elsewhere.)
>>
>> If I understand your concern, you’re thinking we’d need to set up a
>> whole new group there. Not so. All you have to do is share the link to
>> the document.
>>
>> If Yahoo can, in fact, allow for collaborative editing, then by all
>> means we should leave the document here. It’s a much uglier thing to
>> have more than one list floating around, because the margin for error
>> increases with each copy. I have a personal preference for Yahoo’s group
>> function over Google’s (one of the few things that they still do right).
>>
>> If not, I don’t see the harm in putting the doc on Google, so that it’s
>> the One True List, editable by each committee, downloadable when we need
>> to merge for a mailing.
>>
>> If this gets to be a serious mailing endeavor, I believe Yahoo also has
>> a database function, in which case we could import the data to the
>> database and use that.
>>
>> I’d say we’re way under-utilizing the tools we have on this group site
>> in general, but maybe we don’t need the calendar and other features.
>>
>> Other opinions welcome. You’ve got mine!
>>
>> Happy New Year!!!
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 2163 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 2/1/2011
Subject: Fwd: [colocons] FW: Convention Organizers
I got this through the Denver con runners list.

——– Original Message ——–

From: Andy Hopp [mailto:andy@andyhopp.com [1]]
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 8:54 AM
Subject: Convention Organizers

Hello, fellow convention organizer,

Andy Hopp here, director of Con on the Cob (www.cononthecob.com).
I’d like to introduce you to a new program I’m putting together with
the
goal of boosting attendance and interest in all of our conventions.
It’s
called Badge Buddy and works like this: There is a centralized website

that lists every participating con, it’s dates and location, and a
brief
summary of activities and guests. Nothing new there, a ton of sites do

that, but Badge Buddy isn’t just a website for listing cons, each
participating con also lists a prize for bringing a badge from another

participating convention to the show. Each badge gets you the prize or

discount. For example, Con on the Cob will give one free Coin on the
Cob
(a token worth $1 in the art show or vendor hall) for each badge
someone
brings from another con in the system (beginning in 2010). So, if
somebody brings a badge from AnCon 2010, AnCon 2011, 3Con 2011, and
Origins 2010 to Con on the Cob he or she will receive four free Coins
on
the Cob. Other possible prizes might be free generic gaming tickets,
$1
of a badge, or whatever you decide. The more cons a person attends the

more they get.

Participation in the system is absolutely free and you get to
decide what prize to offer. Hopefully this will help us spread the
word
about our individual conventions and lead to more communication and
idea-sharing between us all.

If you’d like to participate please send me the following information:

Convention Name
Location of Event
Mailing Address
Contact Name and Email
A Brief description of your event
The Prize you’d like to offer

I’ll launch the website once we have a decent number of cons on the
list. I’d love to hear any ideas you might have.

Thanks a lot,

Andy Hopp
Con on the Cob (www.cononthecob.com)

 

Group: runacc Message: 2164 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 2/23/2011
Subject: monday activities
Time to shake up the list. 🙂

There seems to have been a trend the last few years with fewer and
fewer programming on Monday. What are the groups thoughts on moving the
Single Pattern or Fashion Show to Monday. Do you think either of those,
or maybe something new would would be a draw to keep people at the
convention on Monday? Or, is CC scaling back to a three day convention?

Michael

 

Group: runacc Message: 2165 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 2/23/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities

Here’s the disturbing statement from the n00b:

Costume Con is intended to be a 4 day convention?

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 10:26 PM, <bruno@soulmasque.com> wrote:

> Time to shake up the list. 🙂
>
> There seems to have been a trend the last few years with fewer and
> fewer programming on Monday. What are the groups thoughts on moving the
> Single Pattern or Fashion Show to Monday. Do you think either of those,
> or maybe something new would would be a draw to keep people at the
> convention on Monday? Or, is CC scaling back to a three day convention?
>
>
> Michael
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 2166 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 2/23/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities

Maybe a 3.5 day convention.

On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 22:28:00 -0600, Aurora Celeste
<auroraceleste@gmail.com> wrote:

> Here’s the disturbing statement from the n00b:
>
> Costume Con is intended to be a 4 day convention?
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2167 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities

seems it’s traditionally a 3 day. to be honest, I have allways felt that the
monday stuff was a ploy to get as many room nights in for the con budget.

OTOH, when we (27) didnt have much happening on monday, we caught hell, and
added stuff

mondays used to only be for a dead dog party, for those who felt like staying
over.

I do not think running a main event on monday is a good idea at all. it will
just make people stay over till tuesday.

and I dont think many people really want that

The spirit of CC was originally a 3 day weekend, to accomodate the historic on
sunday, and people left on monday.

Gravely MacCabre
http://www.castleblood.com
http://www.midnightmonsterhop.com
http://www.myspace.com/thecastleblood
http://www.myspace.com/midnightmonsterhop
clip samples at
http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood

________________________________
From: “bruno@soulmasque.com” <bruno@soulmasque.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, February 23, 2011 11:31:01 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] monday activities

Maybe a 3.5 day convention.

On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 22:28:00 -0600, Aurora Celeste
<auroraceleste@gmail.com> wrote:

> Here’s the disturbing statement from the n00b:
>
> Costume Con is intended to be a 4 day convention?
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 2168 From: Lisa A Ashton Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities

I, for one, can answer to that–we are planning programming on Monday
running through about 1-2 pm. Morning programming will include a Bruce
Mai presentation of video archives, and it will also have programming
from all tracks. I am working it on it as we speak.

I believe that we retain all of our function space through Monday as
well.

Yours in costuming,Lisa A

On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 20:26:20 -0800 <bruno@soulmasque.com> writes:

> Time to shake up the list. 🙂
>
> There seems to have been a trend the last few years with fewer and
>
> fewer programming on Monday. What are the groups thoughts on
> moving the
> Single Pattern or Fashion Show to Monday. Do you think either of
> those,
> or maybe something new would would be a draw to keep people at the
>
> convention on Monday? Or, is CC scaling back to a three day
> convention?
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document:
> http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2169 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities

We were told at our first CC (#10 in 1992) that CC was a full 4 day con. W hadn’t planned for that so ended up missing out on some fun. After that we’ve generally planned to stay until Tuesday.
It does seem that many of th recent CCs have been somewhat lacking on Mondays although we’ve still enjoyed hanging out, maybe sight-seeing & dinner with the remaing stalwarts.

Nora

— On Wed, 2/23/11, Gravely MacCabre <gravelymac@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Gravely MacCabre <gravelymac@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [runacc] monday activities
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 11:58 PM

seems it’s traditionally a 3 day. to be honest, I have allways felt that the
monday stuff was a ploy to get as many room nights in for the con budget.

OTOH, when we (27) didnt have much happening on monday, we caught hell, and
added stuff

mondays used to only be for a dead dog party, for those who felt like staying
over.

I do not think running a main event on monday is a good idea at all. it will
just make people stay over till tuesday.

and I dont think many people really want that

The spirit of CC was originally a 3 day weekend, to accomodate the historic on
sunday, and people left on monday.

Gravely MacCabre
http://www.castleblood.com
http://www.midnightmonsterhop.com
http://www.myspace.com/thecastleblood
http://www.myspace.com/midnightmonsterhop
clip samples at
http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood

________________________________
From: “bruno@soulmasque.com” <bruno@soulmasque.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, February 23, 2011 11:31:01 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] monday activities

Maybe a 3.5 day convention.

On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 22:28:00 -0600, Aurora Celeste
<auroraceleste@gmail.com> wrote:
> Here’s the disturbing statement from the n00b:
>
> Costume Con is intended to be a 4 day convention?
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

————————————

View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo! Groups Links

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 2170 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities

Lisa’s plan seems about right, it still allows most people to check out of the
hotel and go home on monday

just like sunday of regular cons

and as Nora says in a seperate message, then monday afternoon, evening, is great
for local visits and shopping, and dinner with whomever is left that night

be very careful on your contract about what rooms you have.
for 27 we gave up 80% of the space come 4 ish on monday, and somnehow they got
that down as all our space, and we were left with no con suite monday night for
the remaining folks. we sorta managed and moved to an empty room, but it was the
one thing the hotel screwed up on with us.
Gravely MacCabre
http://www.castleblood.com
http://www.midnightmonsterhop.com
http://www.myspace.com/thecastleblood
http://www.myspace.com/midnightmonsterhop
clip samples at
http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood

________________________________
From: Lisa A Ashton <lisa58@juno.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, February 24, 2011 6:19:56 AM
Subject: Re: [runacc] monday activities

I, for one, can answer to that–we are planning programming on Monday
running through about 1-2 pm. Morning programming will include a Bruce
Mai presentation of video archives, and it will also have programming
from all tracks. I am working it on it as we speak.

I believe that we retain all of our function space through Monday as
well.

Yours in costuming,Lisa A

On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 20:26:20 -0800 <bruno@soulmasque.com> writes:

> Time to shake up the list. 🙂
>
> There seems to have been a trend the last few years with fewer and
>
> fewer programming on Monday. What are the groups thoughts on
> moving the
> Single Pattern or Fashion Show to Monday. Do you think either of
> those,
> or maybe something new would would be a draw to keep people at the
>
> convention on Monday? Or, is CC scaling back to a three day
> convention?
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document:
> http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 2171 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities

“just like sunday of regular cons” – yeah, a lot like that. Somewhat lighter programming, folks who want to leave on Monday still can in the afternoon, etc.

Nora

— On Thu, 2/24/11, Gravely MacCabre <gravelymac@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Gravely MacCabre <gravelymac@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [runacc] monday activities
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 9:10 AM

Lisa’s plan seems about right, it still allows most people to check out of the
hotel and go home on monday

just like sunday of regular cons

and as Nora says in a seperate message, then monday afternoon, evening, is great
for local visits and shopping, and dinner with whomever is left that night

be very careful on your contract about what rooms you have.
for 27 we gave up 80% of the space come 4 ish on monday, and somnehow they got
that down as all our space, and we were left with no con suite monday night for
the remaining folks. we sorta managed and moved to an empty room, but it was the
one thing the hotel screwed up on with us.
Gravely MacCabre
http://www.castleblood.com
http://www.midnightmonsterhop.com
http://www.myspace.com/thecastleblood
http://www.myspace.com/midnightmonsterhop
clip samples at
http://www.veoh.com/channels/castleblood

________________________________
From: Lisa A Ashton <lisa58@juno.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, February 24, 2011 6:19:56 AM
Subject: Re: [runacc] monday activities

I, for one, can answer to that–we are planning programming on Monday
running through about 1-2 pm. Morning programming will include a Bruce
Mai presentation of video archives, and it will also have programming
from all tracks. I am working it on it as we speak.

I believe that we retain all of our function space through Monday as
well.

Yours in costuming,Lisa A

On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 20:26:20 -0800 <bruno@soulmasque.com> writes:
> Time to shake up the list. 🙂
>
> There seems to have been a trend the last few years with fewer and
>
> fewer programming on Monday. What are the groups thoughts on
> moving the
> Single Pattern or Fashion Show to Monday. Do you think either of
> those,
> or maybe something new would would be a draw to keep people at the
>
> convention on Monday? Or, is CC scaling back to a three day
> convention?
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document:
> http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

————————————

View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo! Groups Links

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 2172 From: Elaine Mami Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities

Pretty much the same for CC 30. Programming will be happening Monday morning, but nothing major.

Elaine
Recliner, CC 30

I, for one, can answer to that–we are planning programming on Monday
running through about 1-2 pm. Morning programming will include a Bruce
Mai presentation of video archives, and it will also have programming
from all tracks. I am working it on it as we speak.

I believe that we retain all of our function space through Monday as
well.

Yours in costuming,Lisa A

On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 20:26:20 -0800 <bruno@soulmasque.com> writes:

> Time to shake up the list. 🙂
>
> There seems to have been a trend the last few years with fewer and
>
> fewer programming on Monday. What are the groups thoughts on
> moving the
> Single Pattern or Fashion Show to Monday. Do you think either of
> those,
> or maybe something new would would be a draw to keep people at the
>
> convention on Monday? Or, is CC scaling back to a three day
> convention?
>
>
> Michael
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Group: runacc Message: 2173 From: Elaine Mami Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities
Monday used to be when the ICG meetings were held, with a ew panels for those who didn’t want to go to the meeting. When the meeting was moved to Friday morning – so people could leave earlier on Monday – the days shifted. Now, folks are arriving Thurs. and staying until Mon. We are approaching a 4.5 day con!

Elaine
Nil significat nisi oscillat!

Time to shake up the list. 🙂

There seems to have been a trend the last few years with fewer and
fewer programming on Monday. What are the groups thoughts on moving the
Single Pattern or Fashion Show to Monday. Do you think either of those,
or maybe something new would would be a draw to keep people at the
convention on Monday? Or, is CC scaling back to a three day convention?

Michael

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Group: runacc Message: 2174 From: Kevin Roche Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities

Remember, too, that for many years CC was usually held on a three day
weekend (Memorial Day, Martin Luther King Day, Presidents Day) so lots
of people would have the Monday off. That has been less common lately.

Kevin

On 2/24/2011 6:32 AM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
>
> We were told at our first CC (#10 in 1992) that CC was a full 4 day
> con. W hadn’t planned for that so ended up missing out on some fun.
> After that we’ve generally planned to stay until Tuesday.
> It does seem that many of th recent CCs have been somewhat lacking on
> Mondays although we’ve still enjoyed hanging out, maybe sight-seeing &
> dinner with the remaing stalwarts.
>
> Nora
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2175 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities

True, some of the organizers thought people had those days off but it’s generally not true. Most people actually had to take those “holidays” as PTO. But if you had to take off for Friday anyway it wasn’t a big deal.
And used to be that CC was in some months other than May – not for a while though. It’d be nice but it’s more difficult when the con is North-ish. I remember that CC11 was on President’s weekend & we drove through a lot of snow to get home to St. Louis.

Nora

— On Thu, 2/24/11, Kevin Roche <chair@cc26.org> wrote:

From: Kevin Roche <chair@cc26.org>
Subject: Re: [runacc] monday activities
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 11:23 AM

Remember, too, that for many years CC was usually held on a three day
weekend (Memorial Day, Martin Luther King Day, Presidents Day) so lots
of people would have the Monday off. That has been less common lately.

Kevin

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Group: runacc Message: 2176 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities
Elaine wrote:

Monday used to be when the ICG meetings were held,

Yup, now theres a way to get people to want to leave early LOL!

Ricky

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Group: runacc Message: 2177 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities

That was my understanding that CC used to be held on holiday weekends;
however most major cities probably already have a convention on most
holiday weekends.

Michael

On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 09:23:58 -0800, Kevin Roche <chair@cc26.org> wrote:
> Remember, too, that for many years CC was usually held on a three day
>
> weekend (Memorial Day, Martin Luther King Day, Presidents Day) so
> lots
> of people would have the Monday off. That has been less common
> lately.
>
> Kevin

 

Group: runacc Message: 2178 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities

I don’t think nearly as many people get those holidays off as there
used to be. I was concerned with weather with CC17 being in early
February, but it was fine.

Michael

On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 09:40:52 -0800 (PST), Bruce & Nora Mai
<casamai@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> True, some of the organizers thought people had those days off but
> it’s generally not true. Most people actually had to take those
> “holidays” as PTO. But if you had to take off for Friday anyway it
> wasn’t a big deal.
> And used to be that CC was in some months other than May – not for a
> while though. It’d be nice but it’s more difficult when the con is
> North-ish. I remember that CC11 was on President’s weekend & we drove
> through a lot of snow to get home to St. Louis.
>
> Nora

 

Group: runacc Message: 2179 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities

Cons here run programming until 5 or 6 pm on Sunday. I usually don’t
stay past 3ish, unless I have to.

Michael

On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 07:10:45 -0800 (PST), Gravely MacCabre
<gravelymac@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> just like sunday of regular cons

 

Group: runacc Message: 2180 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities
People seem to be in consensus that CC runs until Noon on Monday, if
there is programming or the archives roadshow to support it. How does
the group feel about moving one of the smaller stage events or a new
stage event to Monday. Do you think that would attract more people to
stay on Monday? This is a question about the convention experience.
It’s not a question about room nights.

Michael

 

Group: runacc Message: 2181 From: Martin Gear Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities

Just my personal opinion, but if the con Monday is not a holiday, then
I’d really rather not have to worry about program items on Monday. I
might want to sight see, or I might want to catch a flight back
depending upon what is going on in my life at the time. A three day con
is fine with me.

Marty

On 2/24/2011 9:07 PM, bruno@soulmasque.com wrote:
>
> People seem to be in consensus that CC runs until Noon on Monday, if
> there is programming or the archives roadshow to support it. How does
> the group feel about moving one of the smaller stage events or a new
> stage event to Monday. Do you think that would attract more people to
> stay on Monday? This is a question about the convention experience.
> It’s not a question about room nights.
>
> Michael
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2182 From: Lisa A Ashton Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities

CC29 will have programming on Sunday running til about 5 or 6 pm, then
there will be some time before the historical Masq. (so people can get
dinner, dress, get ready) . It seems like most hte general interest cons
I attend tehse days all have evening and night programming, with panels
often running past midnight.

Yours in cosutming,Lisa A

On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:55:08 -0800 <bruno@soulmasque.com> writes:

> Cons here run programming until 5 or 6 pm on Sunday. I usually
> don’t
> stay past 3ish, unless I have to.
>
> Michael
>
>
> On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 07:10:45 -0800 (PST), Gravely MacCabre
> <gravelymac@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > just like sunday of regular cons

 

Group: runacc Message: 2183 From: Dora Buck Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities

Okay, Jumping in here for CC29.  We will have programming on Friday afternoon going to Monday noon.  The rest of the day is for day trips and hanging out.  The con suite will be open all day on Monday.

Dora Buck
Costume-Con 29 Chair

From: Martin Gear <MartinGear@comcast.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Cc:
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] monday activities

Just my personal opinion, but if the con Monday is not a holiday, then
I’d really rather not have to worry about program items on Monday. I
might want to sight see, or I might want to catch a flight back
depending upon what is going on in my life at the time. A three day con
is fine with me.

Marty

On 2/24/2011 9:07 PM, bruno@soulmasque.com wrote:
>
> People seem to be in consensus that CC runs until Noon on Monday, if
> there is programming or the archives roadshow to support it. How does
> the group feel about moving one of the smaller stage events or a new
> stage event to Monday. Do you think that would attract more people to
> stay on Monday? This is a question about the convention experience.
> It’s not a question about room nights.
>
> Michael
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2184 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities

And Monday night too?

Nora

— On Fri, 2/25/11, Dora Buck <dfaybuck@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Dora Buck <dfaybuck@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [runacc] monday activities
To: “runacc@yahoogroups.com” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, February 25, 2011, 11:45 AM

Okay, Jumping in here for CC29.  We will have programming on Friday afternoon going to Monday noon.  The rest of the day is for day trips and hanging out.  The con suite will be open all day on Monday.

Dora Buck
Costume-Con 29 Chair

From: Martin Gear <MartinGear@comcast.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Cc:
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] monday activities

Just my personal opinion, but if the con Monday is not a holiday, then
I’d really rather not have to worry about program items on Monday. I
might want to sight see, or I might want to catch a flight back
depending upon what is going on in my life at the time. A three day con
is fine with me.

Marty

On 2/24/2011 9:07 PM, bruno@soulmasque.com wrote:
>
> People seem to be in consensus that CC runs until Noon on Monday, if
> there is programming or the archives roadshow to support it. How does
> the group feel about moving one of the smaller stage events or a new
> stage event to Monday. Do you think that would attract more people to
> stay on Monday? This is a question about the convention experience.
> It’s not a question about room nights.
>
> Michael
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2185 From: Dora Buck Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities

Con suite will be open on Monday night also –

Dora Buck
Costume-Con 29 Chair

From: Bruce & Nora Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Cc:
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] monday activities

And Monday night too?

Nora

— On Fri, 2/25/11, Dora Buck <dfaybuck@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Dora Buck <dfaybuck@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [runacc] monday activities
To: “runacc@yahoogroups.com” <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, February 25, 2011, 11:45 AM

Okay, Jumping in here for CC29.  We will have programming on Friday afternoon going to Monday noon.  The rest of the day is for day trips and hanging out.  The con suite will be open all day on Monday.

Dora Buck
Costume-Con 29 Chair

From: Martin Gear <MartinGear@comcast.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Cc:
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] monday activities

Just my personal opinion, but if the con Monday is not a holiday, then
I’d really rather not have to worry about program items on Monday. I
might want to sight see, or I might want to catch a flight back
depending upon what is going on in my life at the time. A three day con
is fine with me.

Marty

On 2/24/2011 9:07 PM, bruno@soulmasque.com wrote:
>
> People seem to be in consensus that CC runs until Noon on Monday, if
> there is programming or the archives roadshow to support it. How does
> the group feel about moving one of the smaller stage events or a new
> stage event to Monday. Do you think that would attract more people to
> stay on Monday? This is a question about the convention experience.
> It’s not a question about room nights.
>
> Michael
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2186 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities
I heard a good suggestion once that maybe Monday could be a good time for a repeat of a panel/course, provided there is enough interest in it. Noon or 1:00 is a good cut off time for official con activities. If it hasn’t been decided already, I don’t think putting a stage show on Monday would be very successful.

We’ve been getting good response from the Road Shows since CC25, when Pierre ran his “Masquerade of Champions” presentation at CC25 on Monday. That pretty much determined a good fit for Archive stuff. From my own observations, CC veterans make a good portion of Monday attendees, but we should work towards appealing to newer people. If one wants to retain more attendees, it might be a matter of coming up with something new that might take a few years to build up.

Speaking somewhat self-interestedly <g>, whatever the con would come up with would eventually lead to the Road Show, which would be the last event of the weekend.

What about a special breakfast/panel with some sort of programming? Just throwing an idea out there. Maybe an impromptu survey on the D list or even at the con should be done to see what would make people want to stay over? We’ll always be fighting the urge to want to leave on Monday, in any case. The Mouskerade (choose your spelling) has been fairly popular, but it’s not for everyone.

Bruce

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bruno@soulmasque.com
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 8:07 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] monday activities

People seem to be in consensus that CC runs until Noon on Monday, if
there is programming or the archives roadshow to support it. How does
the group feel about moving one of the smaller stage events or a new
stage event to Monday. Do you think that would attract more people to
stay on Monday? This is a question about the convention experience.
It’s not a question about room nights.

Michael

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Group: runacc Message: 2187 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities – Ricky
Ah. That explains a lot.

Bruce

From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gravely MacCabre
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 9:11 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] monday activities

be very careful on your contract about what rooms you have.
for 27 we gave up 80% of the space come 4 ish on monday, and somnehow they got
that down as all our space, and we were left with no con suite monday night for
the remaining folks. we sorta managed and moved to an empty room, but it was the
one thing the hotel screwed up on with us.
Gravely MacCabre

5 – Release Date: 02/24/11

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Group: runacc Message: 2188 From: Martin Gear Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities – Ricky

It didn’t help that I was out of the building returning borrowed items
when this screw-up occurred or I could have shown Melissa a copy of the
contract and kept the rooms that we were supposed to have. By the time
that I got back and learned of this problem a kluge had been worked
out. Lesson to future Costume Cons, don’t let your Hotel Liaison leave
the building until the con is completely over with or unless he/she has
made certain that there is a deputy hotel liaison with a copy of the
contract on the premises.

Marty

On 2/25/2011 2:31 PM, Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:
>
> Ah. That explains a lot.
>
> Bruce
>
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>] On
> Behalf Of Gravely MacCabre
> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 9:11 AM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [runacc] monday activities
>
> be very careful on your contract about what rooms you have.
> for 27 we gave up 80% of the space come 4 ish on monday, and somnehow
> they got
> that down as all our space, and we were left with no con suite monday
> night for
> the remaining folks. we sorta managed and moved to an empty room, but
> it was the
> one thing the hotel screwed up on with us.
> Gravely MacCabre
>
> 5 – Release Date: 02/24/11
>
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>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2189 From: Byron Connell Date: 2/26/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities

I can’t say whether a Monday stage event would entice more people to stay on Monday. However, by Monday, I’m con’d out and would not be interested in a stage event on that day.

Byron

On Feb 24, 2011, at 9:07 PM, <bruno@soulmasque.com> wrote:

> People seem to be in consensus that CC runs until Noon on Monday, if
> there is programming or the archives roadshow to support it. How does
> the group feel about moving one of the smaller stage events or a new
> stage event to Monday. Do you think that would attract more people to
> stay on Monday? This is a question about the convention experience.
> It’s not a question about room nights.
>
> Michael
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2190 From: Elaine Mami Date: 2/26/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities

I concur. Monday morning is when the concom gets to take a deep breath, because all of the “events” have been wrapped up. And it’s for programming that does not include stress. One of my favorite Monday morning panels is the “this is how I made that” show-&-tell. All Oooohs and no Oys!

Elaine
Nil significat nisi oscillat!

>
> I can’t say whether a Monday stage event would entice more people to stay on Monday. However, by Monday, I’m con’d out and would not be interested in a stage event on that day.
>
> Byron
>
>
> On Feb 24, 2011, at 9:07 PM, <bruno@soulmasque.com> wrote:
>
> > People seem to be in consensus that CC runs until Noon on Monday, if
> > there is programming or the archives roadshow to support it. How does
> > the group feel about moving one of the smaller stage events or a new
> > stage event to Monday. Do you think that would attract more people to
> > stay on Monday? This is a question about the convention experience.
> > It’s not a question about room nights.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
>
>
>
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Group: runacc Message: 2191 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 2/26/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities

So sorry if this comes off as rambling. Been walking in the sun all day at
Epcot, and I’m fuzzy brained.

First, IMHO, Show and Tell ought to be run twice – Once for the SF&F
masquerade, and again for the Fashion Show and Historical. I did it that way
the first time I ran the panel, way back when (CC11?!?).

Second, speaking to scheduling: Our area is heavily dominated by government
and school schedules and very few people involved in planning early CCs
worked retail. Having the ICG meeting on Monday morning made sense for these
holiday-weekends.

Frankly, with kids in school now, and being a single parent, I find it
really hard to justify the whole four-day con concept, three day weekend or
not. I am still waffling, hard, about this year’s CC, and am leaning quite
heavily against coming, especially since I’m in Florida at the moment,
taking a very much needed break, and I’ll be driving (AGAIN) out to Colorado
this coming summer. The added expense of a membership I don’t already have,
coupled with the extended cost of a hotel room is striking me as an extra I
can’t afford this year. The girls would not come with me whether I go or
not, because I can’t justify taking them out of school.

With the ICG meeting moved to Friday morning from Monday morning (where it
was for the first 16-18 years or more of the con’s history), it’s also
gotten much harder for me to justify staying Thursday through Monday and
traveling home Tuesday.

I love you all and the dead dog’s fun, but I don’t think it’s worth taking
extra vacation time.

In fact, if it weren’t for the late masquerade Sunday, I’d probably bail
Sunday night and just go home.

I know I’m odd one out at the moment, having taken the kid route late in the
game, but there it is.

My $0.02, adjusted for inflation and unemployment.

-Betsy

On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Elaine Mami <ecmami@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>
> I concur. Monday morning is when the concom gets to take a deep breath,
> because all of the “events” have been wrapped up. And it’s for programming
> that does not include stress. One of my favorite Monday morning panels is
> the “this is how I made that” show-&-tell. All Oooohs and no Oys!
>
>
> Elaine
> Nil significat nisi oscillat!
>




Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

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Group: runacc Message: 2192 From: Lisa A Ashton Date: 2/27/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities

I would certainly agree with you Byron. By Monday, I enjoy more relaxing
panels and discussions–maybe shopping, and I remember a bunch of CC’s
where everyone would come back from shopping to the Con Suite, and show
off what they bought and everyone would “ooh and aah”, and it was just
wonderful sitting around talking, knitting, beading, whatever.

HAving the Con Suite be a welcoming, well-set-up place does make a
difference, some of my most cherished CC memories are of those times.

Yours in cosutming,Lis aA

On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 19:46:00 -0500 Byron Connell
<byronpconnell@gmail.com> writes:

> I can’t say whether a Monday stage event would entice more people to
> stay on Monday. However, by Monday, I’m con’d out and would not be
> interested in a stage event on that day.
>
> Byron
>
>
> On Feb 24, 2011, at 9:07 PM, <bruno@soulmasque.com> wrote:
>
> > People seem to be in consensus that CC runs until Noon on Monday, > >

the group feel about moving one of the smaller stage events or a

> new stage event to Monday. Do you think that would attract more people

to

> > stay on Monday? This is a question about the convention
> experience.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2193 From: Lisa A Ashton Date: 2/27/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities

I can answer for some of the programming issues:

> First, IMHO, Show and Tell ought to be run twice – Once for the SF&F
> masquerade, and again for the Fashion Show and Historical. I did it

that way

> the first time I ran the panel, way back when (CC11?!?).

There will be separate “Show & Tell” panels for the FSF (this will be on
Sunday) and for the Historical, each moderated by its respective (and
respected!) MD. There are also separate panels for discussion about
the Future Fashion Folio and Show, and for the Single Pattern contest.
.

> Second, speaking to scheduling: Our area is heavily dominated by

government

> and school schedules and very few people involved in planning early

CCs

> worked retail. Having the ICG meeting on Monday morning made sense for

these

> holiday-weekends.

These days, it seems that our members have jobs covering the full
spectrum. And with the economy and employment the way it is, there may
be even more folks than usual who cannot attend due to work-related
issues, whether that means they have to conserve funds closely, or are
unable to get even a long weekend off, or are waiting until CC comes
closer to them geographically. It’s difficult for me as well–as a PA in
a very busy ER, that is generally short-staffed with Full-time staff, I
work many, many weekends, and holidays. Hopefully the economy will get
better, and the con will continue to grow and attract new members.

Personally, I LIKE having the ICG meeting on Friday morning, because I
think people aren’t brain-dead and exhausted by then, and then it’s a
natural segue into having Friday afternoon programming. I am planning
to have our Workshop area open Friday morning, and to have Open Beading &
Crafting , with a Round Table discussion of “What Impels Us to
Costume–Why Are We Here?” in the middle of that. The actual workshops
will begin Friday afternoon, when the rest of the program launches. The
program schedule for Friday afternoon is somewhat less crowded than for
Sat. and Sun., but there are some wonderful items being planned, and
quiet a spectrum of topics. Monday morning will present the ICG Video
Archive Road Show, as well as an offering of panels (about 2-3 per hour
of programming, as opposed to 4-5 per hour) that will finish about 1 pm.

> Frankly, with kids in school now, and being a single parent, I find it
> really hard to justify the whole four-day con concept, three day

weekend or not.

Having young children is a challenging time, whether you are a single
parent or not–I also worked FT with young children (one with a learning
disability), and m issed many cons because of school issues or parent
obligations. Life is just life, after all. It’s natural for one’s
children to take priority when they are young, no mistake. And even
having a spouse or partner doesn’t guarantee convention availability.

Yours in costuming, Lis aA

 

Group: runacc Message: 2194 From: bruno@soulmasque.com Date: 2/27/2011
Subject: online registration
I posted CC31 to EventBrite last Wednesday. I got my first inquiry for
information the next day and got my first registration today from a
couple of first time attendees from South Dakota.

Michael

 

Group: runacc Message: 2195 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 2/27/2011
Subject: Re: online registration
nice. them interwebs am amazing huh?

I was pleased/surprised how paypal made my life easier as well
Gravely MacCabre
http://www.castleblood.com
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From: “bruno@soulmasque.com” <bruno@soulmasque.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, February 27, 2011 11:31:05 PM
Subject: [runacc] online registration

I posted CC31 to EventBrite last Wednesday. I got my first inquiry for
information the next day and got my first registration today from a
couple of first time attendees from South Dakota.

Michael

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Group: runacc Message: 2196 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 3/1/2011
Subject: Re: monday activities

On Feb 26, 2011, at 4:46 PM, Byron Connell wrote:

> I can’t say whether a Monday stage event would entice more people to stay on Monday. However, by Monday, I’m con’d out and would not be interested in a stage event on that day.

late to the discussion, I know, but…

Historical masquerade runs pretty late on Sunday, as do the celebrations by the winners (and everyone else). Having absolutely nothing on Monday makes for a really abrupt ending.

Light programming on Monday, though, even past noon, is a good thing. It’s a good time to run judging-related panels (because the competitions are over).

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 2197 From: Byron Connell Date: 3/1/2011
Subject: Re: online registration

Congratulations!

Byron

On Feb 27, 2011, at 11:31 PM, <bruno@soulmasque.com> wrote:

> I posted CC31 to EventBrite last Wednesday. I got my first inquiry for
> information the next day and got my first registration today from a
> couple of first time attendees from South Dakota.
>
> Michael
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2198 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/8/2011
Subject: What, silence on CC29?
To start, there was a great deal of “excellent” in this con, and not
just because someone did a Bill & Ted entry.

Hotel:
We could have done without the school kids and the Governor, but kudos
to the committee for dealing with those issues.

Hotel lay-out was a bit weird, the function room layout made it feel
simultaneously spread-out, claustrophobic and ghettoized, but there was
nothing the convention could really do about it.

While there were good servers in the restaurant and the food was decent,
service was pretty bad. This is an endemic problem in Hilton properties
these days, and a common problem with hotel restaurant management that
just doesn’t believe we need to eat. It doesn’t really reflect on the
committee.

The “Sky Room” for Friday night was great.

The ballroom for masquerade wasn’t optimal, but it’s what they had. Size
was good, but the low ceilings were a handicap.

I’ll let people in the shows comment definitively on the location and
size of green room. The location and path looked OK to me.

The suite for consuite was a good layout and size except at the busiest
times.

Reg:
Quick and efficient when I picked up. There were a few times (like
before F&SF) that it should have been open to sell masquerade tickets (I
was there when two women showed up who were just coming in to help an
entrant and the reg desk couldn’t sell tickets).

Tech:
What can I say? The gang is excellent and dealt successfully with
fucked-up rental agencies. They made the best of the low ceilings in the
ballroom. Joel, Larry and the rest of technofandom are always a joy to
work with.

Consuite:
Mostly excellent, except for the Friday night early closure (which was
very visible). I’m going to say what Betsy said to us when she found out
that CDs weren’t ripped and data entry was slow because of staffing
issues: Ask for help, at the first sign of trouble. Ask past and future
chairs if there’s someone attending who might have the necessary skills
to fill in. I would have helped. We ran hospitality at World Fantasy
2009, partially to verify whether or not we had really learned from
issues at CC26 (we avoided those same issues).

The Phoenix and Canada parties were fabulous.

Dealers’ Room:
Small, but quality. Nice variety. Having everything in one secureable
room would have been better, but you match demands and space as you can.

Exhibits/Hats/Dolls:
A little slow to start, but beautiful and varied. Kudos to the
organizers for getting so many people to show, and to everyone who showed.

Program:
People went to panels. Nearly every panel I saw, walked by or was on had
an audience (sometimes light, but an audience). Workshops appeared to be
very popular and well-attended.

Friday night social:
It felt like a social. The amateur theatricals were decent. It was a lot
of fun.

F&SF Masquerade:
Except for Chrism’s fall, great. I’ve heard a few complaints about Judy
Mitchell’s abruptness as a workmanship judge (and not just from Carole,
she was just loudest and most public as usual) but I’ve been referring
those to the directors. I expect we’ll hear complaints about awards. The
distribution of entrants among divisions is a bit worrying. I’ll cover
that at the end.

Fashion Show/Single Pattern:
With a half-and-half distribution? How did that happen? We saw a strong
group of fashion show entries and a strong group of single pattern
entries. The show ran smoothly. Very good. It was a bit late in the
afternoon, though, and I’m wondering how much that impacted tech
rehearsal for historical.

Historical:
Mostly excellent. Also the same concern about distribution of entries
among the divisions. I heard complaints about rehearsal and pre-judging
delays, along with how long the judging interval was. Award delays were
made worse by the lack of half-time entertainment (after the photo run).
Kevin can address the view from the inside.

Dead Dog:
Eric and Sue re-running the masquerades was cool, and it was nice giving
folks who missed the video masq submissions a chance to see them.

Promotion:
I said that I was concerned about the distribution of entrants. We’re
talking a huge proportion of master entries in each competition. Now
it’s really cool that we have that many master entries, and it makes for
a real blockbuster of a show…

…but the lack of novice and journeyman entries shows up that we’re not
reaching enough new people.

This is a bad thing. I know a lot of people like the quiet, intimate,
“everyone here is my friend” kind of vibe when, well, it’s mostly the
same people we see every year, but we can’t depend on that. The
Montrealers have been a breath of fresh air, but we need more new
people. We need enough new people that some of them decide to make this
an annual thing and we keep developing a strong core group that’s
interested in working the cons too.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 2199 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 5/8/2011
Subject: CC29 report from the Minnesotans

 

Group: runacc Message: 2200 From: Byron Connell Date: 5/8/2011
Subject: Re: What, silence on CC29?

The Historical had 17 entries: 2 novice, 4 journeyman, 10 master, 1 not in competition. Setting the running order was a real challenge We made serious efforts to reach out to other costuming communities, with not very good success. Most cons are suffering reduced memberships. Many East Coast masquerades have become much smaller (6 to 8 entries at Lunacons and Philcons, zero at Albacon last year). Arisia continues to be the most prominent exception to both trends, for reasons that escape me. It is my firm impression that many costumers in other venues regard competition on our terms to be very scary and, in particular, to feel that they cannot produce costumes of the quality we normally see. Costume-Con is suffering from being viewed as the pinnacle of excellence. Within our own part of the costuming communities, the Historical masquerade makes even SF costumers who normally compete in the master division nervous, as clearly was the case with one of our journeyman entries. It is, after all, the only one of its kind on the continent.

The Historical judging was over in 45 minutes. The rest of the time was taken up by writing out the official list and filling out the award certificates. I insisted they be done in time to hand to the winners.

Andy, may I have permission to cross-post your comments to the SLUTs? We’re working on our own critique and probably would benefit from some of your comments that differ from those expressed on that list. To the CC29 staff list, too.

Byron

On May 8, 2011, at 6:43 PM, Andrew T Trembley wrote:

> To start, there was a great deal of “excellent” in this con, and not
> just because someone did a Bill & Ted entry.
>
> Hotel:
> We could have done without the school kids and the Governor, but kudos
> to the committee for dealing with those issues.
>
> Hotel lay-out was a bit weird, the function room layout made it feel
> simultaneously spread-out, claustrophobic and ghettoized, but there was
> nothing the convention could really do about it.
>
> While there were good servers in the restaurant and the food was decent,
> service was pretty bad. This is an endemic problem in Hilton properties
> these days, and a common problem with hotel restaurant management that
> just doesn’t believe we need to eat. It doesn’t really reflect on the
> committee.
>
> The “Sky Room” for Friday night was great.
>
> The ballroom for masquerade wasn’t optimal, but it’s what they had. Size
> was good, but the low ceilings were a handicap.
>
> I’ll let people in the shows comment definitively on the location and
> size of green room. The location and path looked OK to me.
>
> The suite for consuite was a good layout and size except at the busiest
> times.
>
> Reg:
> Quick and efficient when I picked up. There were a few times (like
> before F&SF) that it should have been open to sell masquerade tickets (I
> was there when two women showed up who were just coming in to help an
> entrant and the reg desk couldn’t sell tickets).
>
> Tech:
> What can I say? The gang is excellent and dealt successfully with
> fucked-up rental agencies. They made the best of the low ceilings in the
> ballroom. Joel, Larry and the rest of technofandom are always a joy to
> work with.
>
> Consuite:
> Mostly excellent, except for the Friday night early closure (which was
> very visible). I’m going to say what Betsy said to us when she found out
> that CDs weren’t ripped and data entry was slow because of staffing
> issues: Ask for help, at the first sign of trouble. Ask past and future
> chairs if there’s someone attending who might have the necessary skills
> to fill in. I would have helped. We ran hospitality at World Fantasy
> 2009, partially to verify whether or not we had really learned from
> issues at CC26 (we avoided those same issues).
>
> The Phoenix and Canada parties were fabulous.
>
> Dealers’ Room:
> Small, but quality. Nice variety. Having everything in one secureable
> room would have been better, but you match demands and space as you can.
>
> Exhibits/Hats/Dolls:
> A little slow to start, but beautiful and varied. Kudos to the
> organizers for getting so many people to show, and to everyone who showed.
>
> Program:
> People went to panels. Nearly every panel I saw, walked by or was on had
> an audience (sometimes light, but an audience). Workshops appeared to be
> very popular and well-attended.
>
> Friday night social:
> It felt like a social. The amateur theatricals were decent. It was a lot
> of fun.
>
> F&SF Masquerade:
> Except for Chrism’s fall, great. I’ve heard a few complaints about Judy
> Mitchell’s abruptness as a workmanship judge (and not just from Carole,
> she was just loudest and most public as usual) but I’ve been referring
> those to the directors. I expect we’ll hear complaints about awards. The
> distribution of entrants among divisions is a bit worrying. I’ll cover
> that at the end.
>
> Fashion Show/Single Pattern:
> With a half-and-half distribution? How did that happen? We saw a strong
> group of fashion show entries and a strong group of single pattern
> entries. The show ran smoothly. Very good. It was a bit late in the
> afternoon, though, and I’m wondering how much that impacted tech
> rehearsal for historical.
>
> Historical:
> Mostly excellent. Also the same concern about distribution of entries
> among the divisions. I heard complaints about rehearsal and pre-judging
> delays, along with how long the judging interval was. Award delays were
> made worse by the lack of half-time entertainment (after the photo run).
> Kevin can address the view from the inside.
>
> Dead Dog:
> Eric and Sue re-running the masquerades was cool, and it was nice giving
> folks who missed the video masq submissions a chance to see them.
>
> Promotion:
> I said that I was concerned about the distribution of entrants. We’re
> talking a huge proportion of master entries in each competition. Now
> it’s really cool that we have that many master entries, and it makes for
> a real blockbuster of a show…
>
> …but the lack of novice and journeyman entries shows up that we’re not
> reaching enough new people.
>
> This is a bad thing. I know a lot of people like the quiet, intimate,
> “everyone here is my friend” kind of vibe when, well, it’s mostly the
> same people we see every year, but we can’t depend on that. The
> Montrealers have been a breath of fresh air, but we need more new
> people. We need enough new people that some of them decide to make this
> an annual thing and we keep developing a strong core group that’s
> interested in working the cons too.
>
> andy
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2101 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 7/21/2010
Subject: Re: what is CC?
Group: runacc Message: 2102 From: Margie Date: 7/21/2010
Subject: Re: what is CC?
Group: runacc Message: 2103 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 7/21/2010
Subject: Re: what is CC?
Group: runacc Message: 2104 From: Margie Date: 7/21/2010
Subject: Re: what is CC?
Group: runacc Message: 2105 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 7/21/2010
Subject: Re: what is CC?
Group: runacc Message: 2106 From: Charles Galway Date: 7/21/2010
Subject: Re: what is CC?
Group: runacc Message: 2107 From: Lisa A Ashton Date: 7/21/2010
Subject: Re: what is CC?
Group: runacc Message: 2108 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 7/21/2010
Subject: Re: what is CC?
Group: runacc Message: 2109 From: Bruno Date: 7/21/2010
Subject: Re: what is CC?
Group: runacc Message: 2110 From: Bruno Date: 7/21/2010
Subject: Re: what is CC?
Group: runacc Message: 2111 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair Date: 7/22/2010
Subject: Re: what is CC?
Group: runacc Message: 2112 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 7/22/2010
Subject: Re: what is CC?
Group: runacc Message: 2113 From: Dora Buck Date: 8/3/2010
Subject: CC29 Progress Report #1
Group: runacc Message: 2114 From: Nora Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
Group: runacc Message: 2115 From: Nora Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
Group: runacc Message: 2116 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
Group: runacc Message: 2117 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
Group: runacc Message: 2118 From: Nora Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
Group: runacc Message: 2119 From: Nora Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
Group: runacc Message: 2120 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
Group: runacc Message: 2121 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
Group: runacc Message: 2122 From: Nora Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
Group: runacc Message: 2123 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
Group: runacc Message: 2124 From: Bruno Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
Group: runacc Message: 2125 From: Bruno Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Future Fashion Show
Group: runacc Message: 2126 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
Group: runacc Message: 2127 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
Group: runacc Message: 2128 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 10/11/2010
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show
Group: runacc Message: 2129 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 10/11/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
Group: runacc Message: 2130 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 10/11/2010
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show
Group: runacc Message: 2131 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 10/11/2010
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show
Group: runacc Message: 2132 From: Lisa A Ashton Date: 10/11/2010
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show
Group: runacc Message: 2133 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 10/11/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
Group: runacc Message: 2134 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 10/11/2010
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show
Group: runacc Message: 2135 From: Nora Date: 10/11/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
Group: runacc Message: 2136 From: Martin Gear Date: 10/11/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
Group: runacc Message: 2137 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair Date: 10/12/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
Group: runacc Message: 2138 From: Kaijugal . Date: 10/12/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
Group: runacc Message: 2139 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 10/13/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
Group: runacc Message: 2140 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 10/13/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
Group: runacc Message: 2141 From: Elaine Mami Date: 10/15/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
Group: runacc Message: 2142 From: Elaine Mami Date: 10/15/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
Group: runacc Message: 2143 From: Karen Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Costume-Con 32 bid received
Group: runacc Message: 2144 From: Karen Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
Group: runacc Message: 2145 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] “Costume”
Group: runacc Message: 2146 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: A fascinating discussion on ICG-D at the moment…
Group: runacc Message: 2147 From: Michael Date: 12/27/2010
Subject: perpetual CC mailing list
Group: runacc Message: 2148 From: Elaine Mami Date: 12/27/2010
Subject: Re: perpetual CC mailing list
Group: runacc Message: 2149 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 12/27/2010
Subject: Re: perpetual CC mailing list
Group: runacc Message: 2150 From: Nora Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Re: perpetual CC mailing list

 


 

Group: runacc Message: 2101 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 7/21/2010
Subject: Re: what is CC?

We can probably help you out with some stuff from the Archives if you can give us an idea of what you’d like.

Nora

— On Tue, 7/20/10, Bruno <bruno@soulmasque.com> wrote:

From: Bruno <bruno@soulmasque.com>
Subject: [runacc] what is CC?
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2010, 10:40 PM

My co-chair for CC31 looked at the website and the first thing she
asked was, “where are the pictures of costumes?”  She doesn’t know CC,
but she is a veteran con chair.  My response was that I don’t think
I’ve ever seen costume pictures on a CC website.

That got me to thinking . . . we want new blood, but if they’ve never
been, there’s nothing to really show them why.  We can send them to
the archives, or the connections website, but those are mostly just
masquerade photos.

So, I’m thinking of putting together group of pages for “What is CC?”
with pictures that answer the following statements.

CC is learning – pictures of programming
CC is socializing
CC is friendly competition
CC is costumes

I’m really going to have to search my old CC photos.  I don’t take
nearly as many as I used to.

Michael

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Group: runacc Message: 2102 From: Margie Date: 7/21/2010
Subject: Re: what is CC?

I think that is an *EXCELLENT* idea — would you mind if we linked to whatever gets created too? (CC30)

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Bruno <bruno@…> wrote:
>
> My co-chair for CC31 looked at the website and the first thing she
> asked was, “where are the pictures of costumes?” She doesn’t know CC,
> but she is a veteran con chair. My response was that I don’t think
> I’ve ever seen costume pictures on a CC website.
>
> That got me to thinking . . . we want new blood, but if they’ve never
> been, there’s nothing to really show them why. We can send them to
> the archives, or the connections website, but those are mostly just
> masquerade photos.
>
> So, I’m thinking of putting together group of pages for “What is CC?”
> with pictures that answer the following statements.
>
> CC is learning – pictures of programming
> CC is socializing
> CC is friendly competition
> CC is costumes
>
> I’m really going to have to search my old CC photos. I don’t take
> nearly as many as I used to.
>
>
> Michael
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2103 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 7/21/2010
Subject: Re: what is CC?

We had a “New to Costume-Con?” page on the cc26 website; it’s still up.
http://www.cc26.info/main.php?section=info&page=about

In particular, the short “Costume-con 101” article
http://www.cc26.info/news_item.php?article=CC-26%20101

Our website did have the ability to include photos, and we would
sometimes include them in articles, but we started it back when there
were still lots of people on dial-up, so the site was optimized to load
quickly as mostly text. That is still an important point to consider in
your website design, with more people using smartphones to visit the web.

We then had a separate photo galleries section.

I highly recommend the use of a content management system for your site;
cc26.info was roll-your-own (again, it predated the current crop of free
systems), but I’ve been really happy with the wordpress site I built for
yipezine.com . It includes media management tools, and it’s free.

Kevin

On 7/21/2010 6:34 AM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
>
> We can probably help you out with some stuff from the Archives if you
> can give us an idea of what you’d like.
>
> Nora
>
> ,___

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Group: runacc Message: 2104 From: Margie Date: 7/21/2010
Subject: Re: what is CC?

Kevin, can we edit & use the stuff from your old site?

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair” <chair@…> wrote:
>
> We had a “New to Costume-Con?” page on the cc26 website; it’s still up.
> http://www.cc26.info/main.php?section=info&page=about
>
> In particular, the short “Costume-con 101” article
> http://www.cc26.info/news_item.php?article=CC-26%20101
>
> Our website did have the ability to include photos, and we would
> sometimes include them in articles, but we started it back when there
> were still lots of people on dial-up, so the site was optimized to load
> quickly as mostly text. That is still an important point to consider in
> your website design, with more people using smartphones to visit the web.
>
> We then had a separate photo galleries section.
>
> I highly recommend the use of a content management system for your site;
> cc26.info was roll-your-own (again, it predated the current crop of free
> systems), but I’ve been really happy with the wordpress site I built for
> yipezine.com . It includes media management tools, and it’s free.
>
>
>
>
> Kevin
>
> On 7/21/2010 6:34 AM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
> >
> > We can probably help you out with some stuff from the Archives if you
> > can give us an idea of what you’d like.
> >
> > Nora
> >
> > ,___
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2105 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 7/21/2010
Subject: Re: what is CC?

Absolutely! As a courtesy, just credit us (or, if we were quoting
someone else, be sure to credit them!).

That’s actually why I’ve left the site up. We hoped it would be a useful
resource.

(I do have to fix the link to our giant photo repository on Chaz Baden’s
server; somehow the subdomain got messed up).

Kevin

On 7/21/2010 10:04 AM, Margie wrote:
>
> Kevin, can we edit & use the stuff from your old site?
>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>,
> “Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair” <chair@…> wrote:
> >
> > We had a “New to Costume-Con?” page on the cc26 website; it’s still up.
> > http://www.cc26.info/main.php?section=info&page=about
> <http://www.cc26.info/main.php?section=info&page=about>
> >
> > In particular, the short “Costume-con 101” article
> > http://www.cc26.info/news_item.php?article=CC-26%20101
> >
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2106 From: Charles Galway Date: 7/21/2010
Subject: Re: what is CC?

It seems to me that when there was a need for this, (which is most of the time), there was also some concern for photos that are approved for posting, by both the photographer, and the model (and the costume designer?).

So I hope folks are able to put something together, that can then be used, as needed.

Charles

—– Original Message —–
From: Margie
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 8:33 AM
Subject: [runacc] Re: what is CC?

I think that is an *EXCELLENT* idea — would you mind if we linked to whatever gets created too? (CC30)

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Bruno <bruno@…> wrote:
>
> My co-chair for CC31 looked at the website and the first thing she
> asked was, “where are the pictures of costumes?” She doesn’t know CC,
> but she is a veteran con chair. My response was that I don’t think
> I’ve ever seen costume pictures on a CC website.
>
> That got me to thinking . . . we want new blood, but if they’ve never
> been, there’s nothing to really show them why. We can send them to
> the archives, or the connections website, but those are mostly just
> masquerade photos.
>
> So, I’m thinking of putting together group of pages for “What is CC?”
> with pictures that answer the following statements.
>
> CC is learning – pictures of programming
> CC is socializing
> CC is friendly competition
> CC is costumes
>
> I’m really going to have to search my old CC photos. I don’t take
> nearly as many as I used to.
>
>
> Michael
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2107 From: Lisa A Ashton Date: 7/21/2010
Subject: Re: what is CC?

It seems to me that when we register for any MAsq. we do sign a waiver
that allows our photos to be taken. I would certainly be willing for my
Masq. photos to appear on the current CC site (since they are in the ICG
and other Guild archives anyway).

Yours in cosutmign, Lis aA

On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 13:01:09 -0600 “Charles Galway”
<cgalway@xmission.com> writes:

> It seems to me that when there was a need for this, (which is most of
> the time), there was also some concern for photos that are approved
> for posting, by both the photographer, and the model (and the
> costume designer?).
>
> So I hope folks are able to put something together, that can then be
> used, as needed.
>
> Charles
>

271.1.1/3009 – Release Date:

> 07/16/10 06:35:00
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2108 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 7/21/2010
Subject: Re: what is CC?

On Jul 21, 2010, at 12:01 PM, Charles Galway wrote:

> It seems to me that when there was a need for this, (which is most of the time), there was also some concern for photos that are approved for posting, by both the photographer, and the model (and the costume designer?).

In general, model releases are the photographer’s concern, not the customer’s concern. Official photos from recent CCs have photo releases (assuming the show directors made it part of the reg forms). Photos from older CCs where the official photographer is a professional likely also have releases.

If you don’t already have permission from the photographer, you need to contact the photographer and get permission.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 2109 From: Bruno Date: 7/21/2010
Subject: Re: what is CC?

So you did. Can I steal that?

I did look at some content management systems. I’m hoping I’ll get a
much better webmaster. There’s one in our local con runners group.
Hoping I can snag him after his event in September.

Michael

Quoting “Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair” <chair@cc26.org>:

> We had a “New to Costume-Con?” page on the cc26 website; it’s still up.
> http://www.cc26.info/main.php?section=info&page=about
>
> In particular, the short “Costume-con 101” article
> http://www.cc26.info/news_item.php?article=CC-26%20101
>
> Our website did have the ability to include photos, and we would
> sometimes include them in articles, but we started it back when there
> were still lots of people on dial-up, so the site was optimized to load
> quickly as mostly text. That is still an important point to consider in
> your website design, with more people using smartphones to visit the web.
>
> We then had a separate photo galleries section.
>
> I highly recommend the use of a content management system for your site;
> cc26.info was roll-your-own (again, it predated the current crop of free
> systems), but I’ve been really happy with the wordpress site I built for
> yipezine.com . It includes media management tools, and it’s free.
>
>
>
>
> Kevin
>
> On 7/21/2010 6:34 AM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
>>
>> We can probably help you out with some stuff from the Archives if you
>> can give us an idea of what you’d like.
>>
>> Nora
>>
>> ,___
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2110 From: Bruno Date: 7/21/2010
Subject: Re: what is CC?

No problem, it’s for the benefit of CC.

Michael

Quoting Margie <marg1066@gmail.com>:

> I think that is an *EXCELLENT* idea — would you mind if we linked
> to whatever gets created too? (CC30)
>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Bruno <bruno@…> wrote:
>>
>> My co-chair for CC31 looked at the website and the first thing she
>> asked was, “where are the pictures of costumes?” She doesn’t know CC,
>> but she is a veteran con chair. My response was that I don’t think
>> I’ve ever seen costume pictures on a CC website.
>>
>> That got me to thinking . . . we want new blood, but if they’ve never
>> been, there’s nothing to really show them why. We can send them to
>> the archives, or the connections website, but those are mostly just
>> masquerade photos.
>>
>> So, I’m thinking of putting together group of pages for “What is CC?”
>> with pictures that answer the following statements.
>>
>> CC is learning – pictures of programming
>> CC is socializing
>> CC is friendly competition
>> CC is costumes
>>
>> I’m really going to have to search my old CC photos. I don’t take
>> nearly as many as I used to.
>>
>>
>> Michael
>>
>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2111 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair Date: 7/22/2010
Subject: Re: what is CC?

Besides Chaz’s pictures in his main gallery, starting here:
http://www.boston-baden.com/hazel/Pix/2008/pix6173.htm

There are thousands of pictures on the server at
http://www.boston-baden.com/cc26

Unfortunately, I can’t find the indexing file for it all at this point.

Kevin

On 7/20/2010 8:40 PM, Bruno wrote:
>
> My co-chair for CC31 looked at the website and the first thing she
> asked was, “where are the pictures of costumes?” She doesn’t know CC,
> but she is a veteran con chair. My response was that I don’t think
> I’ve ever seen costume pictures on a CC website.
>
> That got me to thinking . . . we want new blood, but if they’ve never
> been, there’s nothing to really show them why. We can send them to
> the archives, or the connections website, but those are mostly just
> masquerade photos.
>
> So, I’m thinking of putting together group of pages for “What is CC?”
> with pictures that answer the following statements.
>
> CC is learning – pictures of programming
> CC is socializing
> CC is friendly competition
> CC is costumes
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2112 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 7/22/2010
Subject: Re: what is CC?

Hey, Mike:

You’re welcome to use any of the photos I shot while at CC26. There
weren’t tons, but still a decent number, many in the halls.

Cheers,

Betsy

On 7/22/2010 1:56 AM, Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair wrote:
>
>
>
> Besides Chaz’s pictures in his main gallery, starting here:
> http://www.boston-baden.com/hazel/Pix/2008/pix6173.htm
>
> There are thousands of pictures on the server at
> http://www.boston-baden.com/cc26
>
> Unfortunately, I can’t find the indexing file for it all at this point.
>
> Kevin
>
> On 7/20/2010 8:40 PM, Bruno wrote:
> >
> > My co-chair for CC31 looked at the website and the first thing she
> > asked was, “where are the pictures of costumes?” She doesn’t know CC,
> > but she is a veteran con chair. My response was that I don’t think
> > I’ve ever seen costume pictures on a CC website.
> >
> > That got me to thinking . . . we want new blood, but if they’ve never
> > been, there’s nothing to really show them why. We can send them to
> > the archives, or the connections website, but those are mostly just
> > masquerade photos.
> >
> > So, I’m thinking of putting together group of pages for “What is CC?”
> > with pictures that answer the following statements.
> >
> > CC is learning – pictures of programming
> > CC is socializing
> > CC is friendly competition
> > CC is costumes
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>



Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

Group: runacc Message: 2113 From: Dora Buck Date: 8/3/2010
Subject: CC29 Progress Report #1
Hello everyone,

The kids are gone and the Progress Report #1 has been emailed out.  If you have
not received your PR, please contact me (dfaybuck@yahoo.com) and provide your
address to me.

And, I am sorry that I missed your name since you are working very hard along
with me on this endeavor (nightmare) of a costume con.

Please inform the other groups that you belong to that the PR is out and about
and if they would like one to contact me at the above email address.

Thank you to everyone who contributed to this PR.

Dora

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Group: runacc Message: 2114 From: Nora Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
In the CC29 rules it generally states that there will be no hard copy version of the Folio (CC30 rules will be similar).

But what about folks who sign up at the door? If we have nothing to give them I fear it will fail to stir interest in new designers.

I don’t have any ideas yet but I thought a discussion here would be a good way to come up with a solution.

Nora (running CC30 FFF)

 

Group: runacc Message: 2115 From: Nora Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
As stated in the CC29 rules there will be no hard copy version of the Folio (the CC30 rules will be very similar).

So what about people who sign up at the door? Not having something for them might stop some growth in acquiring new designers.

I don’t have a solid idea yet, just thought we could discuss it here & come up with a good solution.

Nora (doing the CC30 FFF)

 

Group: runacc Message: 2116 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio

I think that the biggest draw to new designers is not the printed folio, but
the *show* itself. Doing a good job of showing the original designs at the
show (whether through a projection screen or through printing out the
designs used in the show for the program) should interest new designers more
than the book would. However, I think it should also be made clear that
at-con registrations are submitting an email address where the folio will be
emailed as soon as con staff can do it (if they’re on the ball, and reg is
at a slow point, a provided laptop could mean it can be done *at*
registration the day they register), preferably with an explanation email so
that new con members and old can both go home and browse through it.

~Aurora

On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Nora <von_drago@yahoo.com> wrote:

> In the CC29 rules it generally states that there will be no hard copy
> version of the Folio (CC30 rules will be similar).
>
> But what about folks who sign up at the door? If we have nothing to give
> them I fear it will fail to stir interest in new designers.
>
> I don’t have any ideas yet but I thought a discussion here would be a good
> way to come up with a solution.
>
> Nora (running CC30 FFF)
>
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo!
> Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2117 From: Gravely MacCabre Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio

since at the door memberships are usually substabtially higher, perhaps they can
recieve the hard copy, or disk copy or whatever.
and then there could be hard, or disk copies for a small upcharge for sale to
anyone else that wants one.

not a perfect solution.

I think the web bloging and treating it like an event to advertise plus the
possable adition of a few more cash prizes, might be the hook for new people
that arent cc, or even fannish folks

Ricky

________________________________
From: Aurora Celeste <auroraceleste@gmail.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, October 10, 2010 12:45:03 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] The future of the Future Fashion Folio

I think that the biggest draw to new designers is not the printed folio, but
the *show* itself. Doing a good job of showing the original designs at the
show (whether through a projection screen or through printing out the
designs used in the show for the program) should interest new designers more
than the book would. However, I think it should also be made clear that
at-con registrations are submitting an email address where the folio will be
emailed as soon as con staff can do it (if they’re on the ball, and reg is
at a slow point, a provided laptop could mean it can be done *at*
registration the day they register), preferably with an explanation email so
that new con members and old can both go home and browse through it.

~Aurora

On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Nora <von_drago@yahoo.com> wrote:

> In the CC29 rules it generally states that there will be no hard copy
> version of the Folio (CC30 rules will be similar).
>
> But what about folks who sign up at the door? If we have nothing to give
> them I fear it will fail to stir interest in new designers.
>
> I don’t have any ideas yet but I thought a discussion here would be a good
> way to come up with a solution.
>
> Nora (running CC30 FFF)
>
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo!
> Groups Links
>
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: runacc Message: 2118 From: Nora Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio

Extra disks on hand might work, they’re not expensive. But hard copies are.

And would it be worth printing up a limited run of hard copies for those who “collect” them for a small fee?

Nora

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Gravely MacCabre <gravelymac@…> wrote:
> since at the door memberships are usually substabtially higher, perhaps they can
> recieve the hard copy, or disk copy or whatever.
> and then there could be hard, or disk copies for a small upcharge for sale to
> anyone else that wants one.
>
> not a perfect solution.
>
> I think the web bloging and treating it like an event to advertise plus the
> possable adition of a few more cash prizes, might be the hook for new people
> that arent cc, or even fannish folks
> Â
> Ricky

 

Group: runacc Message: 2119 From: Nora Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio

I disagree; I think many new designers are hooked by seeing the Folio outside of a CC. I’ve shown mine to many folks in the past and they’ve gotten very excited.

The show itself is very limited, there is seldom a very high percentage of re-created designs so it doesn’t capture the full feel of the Folio. Having your design made up by someone is very exciting but getting into the Folio is the actual accomplishment.

But that’s not really the question. The Folio will be created & distributed to all pre-reg members electronically. At the door reg deserves their Folio somehow so is the answer to distribute them post-con or have disc copies avaialable (for everyone or a little cost) or what?
A limited run of hard copies for sale might be a thought but is it really worth it?

I don’t see any purpose in emailing them out during the con. I would presume one would be too busy at the con to download & look through it while there.

Nora

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Aurora Celeste <auroraceleste@…> wrote:
>
> I think that the biggest draw to new designers is not the printed folio, but
> the *show* itself. Doing a good job of showing the original designs at the
> show (whether through a projection screen or through printing out the
> designs used in the show for the program) should interest new designers more
> than the book would. However, I think it should also be made clear that
> at-con registrations are submitting an email address where the folio will be
> emailed as soon as con staff can do it (if they’re on the ball, and reg is
> at a slow point, a provided laptop could mean it can be done *at*
> registration the day they register), preferably with an explanation email so
> that new con members and old can both go home and browse through it.
>
> ~Aurora

 

Group: runacc Message: 2120 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio

A nuts and bolts question, not knowing where the budget items are going:

If you reduce the cost of the con by taking away one of the known perks,
does that cause grousing when folks discover they’re paying the same (or
more) for less? Does the grousing matter?

I ask because I recall grousing when the Whole Costumers’ Catalog
disappeared for good but the cost of the con increased. I know it was a
pain in the a$$ to maintain and I’m not saying it should come back,
because the web does it so much better now, but someone noticed then and
someone’s bound to notice now that part of the membership used to cover
those costs and will ask where the dollars are going instead.

For me, I really liked being able to look at the print thing, and I
agree it was nice to show the newbies, but the web allows for color
which is simply too expensive otherwise. How will the electronic version
be distributed? Printable PDF? Image album?

I’m totally out of the loop these days, likely to remain so for at least
the next couple of years at the rate my life is going, and I hate to be
a gadfly about something in which I’m not directly involved, but I gotta
ask why. Please forgive me and don’t yell. It’s been a hard couple of years.

Thanks,

Betsy

On 10/10/2010 5:21 PM, Nora wrote:
>
>
> Extra disks on hand might work, they’re not expensive. But hard copies are.
>
> And would it be worth printing up a limited run of hard copies for those
> who “collect” them for a small fee?
>
> Nora
>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>, Gravely
> MacCabre <gravelymac@…> wrote:
> > since at the door memberships are usually substabtially higher,
> perhaps they can
> > recieve the hard copy, or disk copy or whatever.
> > and then there could be hard, or disk copies for a small upcharge
> for sale to
> > anyone else that wants one.
> >
> > not a perfect solution.
> >
> > I think the web bloging and treating it like an event to
> advertise plus the
> > possable adition of a few more cash prizes, might be the hook for new
> people
> > that arent cc, or even fannish folks
> > Â
> > Ricky
>
>



Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

Group: runacc Message: 2121 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio

In a message dated 10/10/2010 5:31:30 PM Central Daylight Time,
aramintamd@gmail.com writes:

> A nuts and bolts question, not knowing where the budget items are going:

Just an FYI, one of the biggest expenditures of CC28 was the printing and
mailing of the folio.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2122 From: Nora Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio

Alway is. That’s part of the reason I brought up this discussion.

Nora

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, osierhenry@… wrote:
> Just an FYI, one of the biggest expenditures of CC28 was the printing and
> mailing of the folio.
>
> Henry

 

Group: runacc Message: 2123 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio

Can you give us any hard numbers Henry? Like the folio cost X, the con
brought in Y, and the overall budget was Z?

On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Nora <von_drago@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Alway is. That’s part of the reason I brought up this discussion.
>
> Nora
>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, osierhenry@… wrote:
> > Just an FYI, one of the biggest expenditures of CC28 was the printing and
> > mailing of the folio.
> >
> > Henry
>
>
>
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo!
> Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2124 From: Bruno Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio

What about providing the folio on a CD at registration?

Michael

> On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Nora <von_drago@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> In the CC29 rules it generally states that there will be no hard copy
>> version of the Folio (CC30 rules will be similar).
>>
>> But what about folks who sign up at the door? If we have nothing to give
>> them I fear it will fail to stir interest in new designers.
>>
>> I don’t have any ideas yet but I thought a discussion here would be a good
>> way to come up with a solution.
>>
>> Nora (running CC30 FFF)
>>
>>
>>
>> ————————————
>>
>> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo!
>> Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2125 From: Bruno Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Future Fashion Show
Since we’re on the subject of the folio. I had a dream that the
Fashion Show was done as part of the Exhibits. The folio pages were
posted on the wall with the created designs on a mannequins next to
them. It gave people the opportunity to see the design and finished
garment side by side.

Would CC lose anything by making the Fashion Show a static display
instead of a stage show?

Michael

 

Group: runacc Message: 2126 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio

Oooo. Good question. I hadn’t thought about that. When I was thinking
“yeah, electronic mailings would save a TON of money”, there is the whole
“getting more for less thing.” The only way I could see you could sell the
idea is making the point that it’s getting more and more expensive to do a
small con like a CC, and it would help slow down those price hikes. But, I
could see a lot of people not liking CC pulling the same kind of idea that
candy bar makers and others are doing – keeping the same price, but making
the bar smaller.

I have to agree, I think there is a significant number of people (maybe it’s
a generational thing) who prefer the hold tactile experience of holding a
publication and being able to flip back and forth. Clicking from page to
page just doesn’t have the same satisfaction.

Bruce

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Betsy Delaney
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 5:31 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio

A nuts and bolts question, not knowing where the budget items are going:

If you reduce the cost of the con by taking away one of the known perks,
does that cause grousing when folks discover they’re paying the same (or
more) for less? Does the grousing matter?

I ask because I recall grousing when the Whole Costumers’ Catalog
disappeared for good but the cost of the con increased. I know it was a
pain in the a$$ to maintain and I’m not saying it should come back,
because the web does it so much better now, but someone noticed then and
someone’s bound to notice now that part of the membership used to cover
those costs and will ask where the dollars are going instead.

For me, I really liked being able to look at the print thing, and I
agree it was nice to show the newbies, but the web allows for color
which is simply too expensive otherwise. How will the electronic version
be distributed? Printable PDF? Image album?

Betsy

On 10/10/2010 5:21 PM, Nora wrote:

 

Group: runacc Message: 2127 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 10/10/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio

Maybe I’m breaking into the older generation, but I printed my copy out as
soon as I got it last year. It’s one of those things that I wanted in
print, too. I find that I print out all my references for costuming, it’s
just easier to reference if it’s on paper.

On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Nora & Bruce Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> Oooo. Good question. I hadn’t thought about that. When I was thinking
> “yeah, electronic mailings would save a TON of money”, there is the whole
> “getting more for less thing.” The only way I could see you could sell the
> idea is making the point that it’s getting more and more expensive to do a
> small con like a CC, and it would help slow down those price hikes. But, I
> could see a lot of people not liking CC pulling the same kind of idea that
> candy bar makers and others are doing – keeping the same price, but making
> the bar smaller.
>
> I have to agree, I think there is a significant number of people (maybe
> it’s
> a generational thing) who prefer the hold tactile experience of holding a
> publication and being able to flip back and forth. Clicking from page to
> page just doesn’t have the same satisfaction.
>
> Bruce
>
> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Betsy Delaney
> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 5:31 PM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
>
> A nuts and bolts question, not knowing where the budget items are going:
>
> If you reduce the cost of the con by taking away one of the known perks,
> does that cause grousing when folks discover they’re paying the same (or
> more) for less? Does the grousing matter?
>
> I ask because I recall grousing when the Whole Costumers’ Catalog
> disappeared for good but the cost of the con increased. I know it was a
> pain in the a$$ to maintain and I’m not saying it should come back,
> because the web does it so much better now, but someone noticed then and
> someone’s bound to notice now that part of the membership used to cover
> those costs and will ask where the dollars are going instead.
>
> For me, I really liked being able to look at the print thing, and I
> agree it was nice to show the newbies, but the web allows for color
> which is simply too expensive otherwise. How will the electronic version
> be distributed? Printable PDF? Image album?
>
>
> Betsy
>
> On 10/10/2010 5:21 PM, Nora wrote:
>
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo!
> Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2128 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 10/11/2010
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show

I think making the Fashion Show a static display would be the end of
both the show and the Folio. Already, for many people, if they are
doing both the Fashion Show and one (or more) of the main stage
competitions, the Fashion Show garment is the one that will get cut
if there is a time or money crunch. Being able to actually wear it
is just about the only reason I do a Folio garment, as I’m a slow
sewer. Plus there are the ones who don’t like the competitive nature
of the F/SF or Historical, and see the Fashion Show as a “safe” stage
venue to display their work.

I know I wouldn’t bother to make a Fashion Show outfit if it was only
going to be on a mannequin.

My opinion only, Pierre’s may differ.
Sandy

At 09:52 PM 10/10/2010, you wrote:

>Since we’re on the subject of the folio. I had a dream that the
>Fashion Show was done as part of the Exhibits. The folio pages were
>posted on the wall with the created designs on a mannequins next to
>them. It gave people the opportunity to see the design and finished
>garment side by side.
>
>Would CC lose anything by making the Fashion Show a static display
>instead of a stage show?
>
>Michael

International Costumers’ Guild Archivist

http://www.costume.org/gallery2/main.php

“Those Who Fail to Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly –
Why They Are Simply Doomed.”

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C. Y. 4971

Andromeda

 

Group: runacc Message: 2129 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 10/11/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio

We like paper. We also printed out the PDF as soon as we got
it. Much easier to carry around and consider in depth what (if
anything) you want to make. Also, invaluable to take to the fabric
store when getting materials to create the item.

P & S

At 10:44 PM 10/10/2010, you wrote:

>Maybe I’m breaking into the older generation, but I printed my copy out as
>soon as I got it last year. It’s one of those things that I wanted in
>print, too. I find that I print out all my references for costuming, it’s
>just easier to reference if it’s on paper.
>
>On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Nora & Bruce Mai
><<mailto:casamai%40sbcglobal.net>casamai@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
>
> > Oooo. Good question. I hadn’t thought about that. When I was thinking
> > “yeah, electronic mailings would save a TON of money”, there is the whole
> > “getting more for less thing.” The only way I could see you could sell the
> > idea is making the point that it’s getting more and more expensive to do a
> > small con like a CC, and it would help slow down those price hikes. But, I
> > could see a lot of people not liking CC pulling the same kind of idea that
> > candy bar makers and others are doing – keeping the same price, but making
> > the bar smaller.
> >
> > I have to agree, I think there is a significant number of people (maybe
> > it’s
> > a generational thing) who prefer the hold tactile experience of holding a
> > publication and being able to flip back and forth. Clicking from page to
> > page just doesn’t have the same satisfaction.
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> > —–Original Message—–
> > From: <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>runacc@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> > Betsy Delaney
> > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 5:31 PM
> > To: <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>runacc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
> >
> > A nuts and bolts question, not knowing where the budget items are going:
> >
> > If you reduce the cost of the con by taking away one of the known perks,
> > does that cause grousing when folks discover they’re paying the same (or
> > more) for less? Does the grousing matter?
> >
> > I ask because I recall grousing when the Whole Costumers’ Catalog
> > disappeared for good but the cost of the con increased. I know it was a
> > pain in the a$$ to maintain and I’m not saying it should come back,
> > because the web does it so much better now, but someone noticed then and
> > someone’s bound to notice now that part of the membership used to cover
> > those costs and will ask where the dollars are going instead.
> >
> > For me, I really liked being able to look at the print thing, and I
> > agree it was nice to show the newbies, but the web allows for color
> > which is simply too expensive otherwise. How will the electronic version
> > be distributed? Printable PDF? Image album?
> >
> >
> > Betsy

International Costumers’ Guild Archivist

http://www.costume.org/gallery2/main.php

“Those Who Fail to Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly –
Why They Are Simply Doomed.”

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C. Y. 4971

Andromeda

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Group: runacc Message: 2130 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 10/11/2010
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show

I think a static show could be a good *addition* to the runway show. Then
again, I think it would be neat to have space and dummies available for the
winners of any show to put their garments in the display the next day, or
the next year.

On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 12:25 AM, Pierre & Sandy Pettinger <
costumrs@radiks.net> wrote:

> I think making the Fashion Show a static display would be the end of
> both the show and the Folio. Already, for many people, if they are
> doing both the Fashion Show and one (or more) of the main stage
> competitions, the Fashion Show garment is the one that will get cut
> if there is a time or money crunch. Being able to actually wear it
> is just about the only reason I do a Folio garment, as I’m a slow
> sewer. Plus there are the ones who don’t like the competitive nature
> of the F/SF or Historical, and see the Fashion Show as a “safe” stage
> venue to display their work.
>
> I know I wouldn’t bother to make a Fashion Show outfit if it was only
> going to be on a mannequin.
>
> My opinion only, Pierre’s may differ.
> Sandy
>
> At 09:52 PM 10/10/2010, you wrote:
>
> >Since we’re on the subject of the folio. I had a dream that the
> >Fashion Show was done as part of the Exhibits. The folio pages were
> >posted on the wall with the created designs on a mannequins next to
> >them. It gave people the opportunity to see the design and finished
> >garment side by side.
> >
> >Would CC lose anything by making the Fashion Show a static display
> >instead of a stage show?
> >
> >Michael
>
> International Costumers’ Guild Archivist
>
> http://www.costume.org/gallery2/main.php
>
> “Those Who Fail to Learn History
> Are Doomed to Repeat It;
> Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly –
> Why They Are Simply Doomed.”
>
> Achemdro’hm
> “The Illusion of Historical Fact”
> — C. Y. 4971
>
> Andromeda
>
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo!
> Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2131 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 10/11/2010
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show

May I just say that I LOVE this idea, Aurora?!?

It’s really unlikely I’ll go to the next two CCs, or that it will be a
last minute decision, because I simply can’t depend on Dan being
available or willing to take the girls for the weekend when I need him
to do it and I can’t afford a sitter.

That said, I want to encourage CC programing folks to include a “show
and tell” panel pro-forma during the weekend. You can get a lot of
mileage from being able to show stuff off right there at the con.

Obviously I can’t commit to being the one to moderate such a panel, but
it’s dirt easy to do. In fact, it would be awesome to have two: One for
the SF and one for the Fashion Show and Historical.

Just saying.

Betsy

On 10/11/2010 1:23 AM, Aurora Celeste wrote:
>
>
> I think a static show could be a good *addition* to the runway show. Then
> again, I think it would be neat to have space and dummies available for the
> winners of any show to put their garments in the display the next day, or
> the next year.



Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

Group: runacc Message: 2132 From: Lisa A Ashton Date: 10/11/2010
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show

Got it Betsy. You were heard.

Yours in costuming, Lisa A

On Mon, 11 Oct 2010 07:19:37 -0400 Betsy Delaney <aramintamd@gmail.com>
writes:

> May I just say that I LOVE this idea, Aurora?!?
>
> It’s really unlikely I’ll go to the next two CCs, or that it will be
> a
> last minute decision, because I simply can’t depend on Dan being
> available or willing to take the girls for the weekend when I need
> him
> to do it and I can’t afford a sitter.
>
> That said, I want to encourage CC programing folks to include a
> “show
> and tell” panel pro-forma during the weekend. You can get a lot of
> mileage from being able to show stuff off right there at the con.
>
> Obviously I can’t commit to being the one to moderate such a panel,
> but
> it’s dirt easy to do. In fact, it would be awesome to have two: One
> for
> the SF and one for the Fashion Show and Historical.
>
> Just saying.
>
> Betsy
>
> On 10/11/2010 1:23 AM, Aurora Celeste wrote:
> >
> >
> > I think a static show could be a good *addition* to the runway
> show. Then
> > again, I think it would be neat to have space and dummies
> available for the
> > winners of any show to put their garments in the display the next
> day, or
> > the next year.
>
>
> —
> —
> Betsy Marks Delaney
>
> http://www.hawkeswood.com/
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document:
> http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2133 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 10/11/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio

In a message dated 10/10/2010 7:00:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
auroraceleste@gmail.com writes:

> Can you give us any hard numbers Henry? Like the folio cost X, the con
> brought in Y, and the overall budget was Z?
>
>
>
>

Folio cost is mostly stuck in my head. That was around $650. And then
slightly over another $100 for mailing.

The next two numbers evade my mind. But, I will say this: We paid the hotel
bill, which was $11,400, with money left over. We should have the books
closed on CC28 by the end of the month. And, yes, there will be money passed
ahead. We just have to decided how much to everyone.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2134 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 10/11/2010
Subject: Re: Future Fashion Show

In a message dated 10/10/2010 11:29:22 PM Central Daylight Time,
costumrs@radiks.net writes:

> I think making the Fashion Show a static display would be the end of
> both the show and the Folio.
>
>
>

Pierre,
I agree. I also had to read your comment twice. I thought you were
saying that the Folio could be printed and on display near registration for
all to view. But you didn’t.
It is an idea, though.
Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2135 From: Nora Date: 10/11/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio

Folio costs can be seriously reduced by not mailing them. As much as a third to a half of the cost is mailing.

So if it were produced electronically & sent out via email before the con & then a hard copy was included with the program book at registration onsite, there would still be a significant savings.

Just one idea (amongst many).

Nora

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, osierhenry@… wrote:
>
> In a message dated 10/10/2010 7:00:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
> auroraceleste@… writes:
> > Can you give us any hard numbers Henry? Like the folio cost X, the con
> > brought in Y, and the overall budget was Z?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> Folio cost is mostly stuck in my head. That was around $650. And then
> slightly over another $100 for mailing.
>
> The next two numbers evade my mind. But, I will say this: We paid the hotel
> bill, which was $11,400, with money left over. We should have the books
> closed on CC28 by the end of the month. And, yes, there will be money passed
> ahead. We just have to decided how much to everyone.
>
> Henry
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2136 From: Martin Gear Date: 10/11/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio

Another approach would be to produce them on CD not hard copy. CD’s in
bulk are about $0.15 these days and even with mailers & postage it would
probably cost less that $1.00 each to produce and mail them. Everyone
doesn’t have high speed broadband email and jpg’s of decent quality
aren’t small files.
Marty

On 10/11/2010 7:25 PM, Nora wrote:
>
> Folio costs can be seriously reduced by not mailing them. As much as a
> third to a half of the cost is mailing.
>
> So if it were produced electronically & sent out via email before the
> con & then a hard copy was included with the program book at
> registration onsite, there would still be a significant savings.
>
> Just one idea (amongst many).
>
> Nora
>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>,
> osierhenry@… wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 10/10/2010 7:00:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > auroraceleste@… writes:
> > > Can you give us any hard numbers Henry? Like the folio cost X, the con
> > > brought in Y, and the overall budget was Z?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > Folio cost is mostly stuck in my head. That was around $650. And then
> > slightly over another $100 for mailing.
> >
> > The next two numbers evade my mind. But, I will say this: We paid
> the hotel
> > bill, which was $11,400, with money left over. We should have the books
> > closed on CC28 by the end of the month. And, yes, there will be
> money passed
> > ahead. We just have to decided how much to everyone.
> >
> > Henry
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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Group: runacc Message: 2137 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair Date: 10/12/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio

And take the time to master them to run a slide show,
and to print good copies of individual designs for the people
constructing them!

(Remember — digital packaging also means that you can include all the
color renderings that may have (been provided…

While I, too, liked the hardcopy when promoting CC26, it was the slide
shows (running in digital frames or old slate computers) that caught
peoples’ eye and brought them to our table. We also finally resorted to
drilling and loading our sample Folios into looseleaf binders to make it
harder for folks to run off with them.

Properly mastered, a digital media FFF could still be a valued physical
asset for members.

Kevin

On 10/11/2010 8:05 PM, Martin Gear wrote:
>
> Another approach would be to produce them on CD not hard copy. CD’s in
> bulk are about $0.15 these days and even with mailers & postage it would
> probably cost less that $1.00 each to produce and mail them. Everyone
> doesn’t have high speed broadband email and jpg’s of decent quality
> aren’t small files.
> Marty
>
> ,___

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Group: runacc Message: 2138 From: Kaijugal . Date: 10/12/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
I like the idea of having a downloadable version available, but also having a CD copy available.

Like many other people have stated, I enjoy having a hard copy. Perhaps print hard copies for pick up

at the convention, (saving the mailing expense). Perhaps give hard copies to people who were printed in the

folio or who produced designs from it. It might up the participation rate. (?)

~Dawn

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Group: runacc Message: 2139 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 10/13/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio

In a message dated 10/11/2010 10:05:08 PM Central Daylight Time,
MartinGear@comcast.net writes:

> Another approach would be to produce them on CD not hard copy.
>
>
>

I have always liked this idea. I remember when it was brought up here a few
years ago. I remember a strong “I like the paper version more” reply. But
costs and attitudes do change.

Just saying, not disagreeing.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2140 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 10/13/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio

In a message dated 10/12/2010 10:57:57 AM Central Daylight Time,
kaijugal@hotmail.com writes:

> I like the idea of having a downloadable version available, but also
> having a CD copy available.

I am catching up on e-mail, so forgive me if the following has been brought
up.

There are some regular contributors who do not want their designs on the
internet in any fashion. Which is why Aurora and Nora took to e-mailing the
folio to individuals directly for CC28.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2141 From: Elaine Mami Date: 10/15/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
At this point, I want CC 30 to have hard copy available for those who can’t get it electronically, as well as for at-the-door folks. We will decide closer to the con just how many to have prepared ahead.

Plus, I want to give the Archives a hard copy.

Elaine
Chair, CC 30

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: von_drago@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 16:16:24 +0000
Subject: [runacc] The future of the Future Fashion Folio

In the CC29 rules it generally states that there will be no hard copy version of the Folio (CC30 rules will be similar).

But what about folks who sign up at the door? If we have nothing to give them I fear it will fail to stir interest in new designers.

I don’t have any ideas yet but I thought a discussion here would be a good way to come up with a solution.

Nora (running CC30 FFF)

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Group: runacc Message: 2142 From: Elaine Mami Date: 10/15/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
Great suggestion! Thanks, Aurora!

Elaine

I think that the biggest draw to new designers is not the printed folio, but
the *show* itself. Doing a good job of showing the original designs at the
show (whether through a projection screen or through printing out the
designs used in the show for the program) should interest new designers more
than the book would. However, I think it should also be made clear that
at-con registrations are submitting an email address where the folio will be
emailed as soon as con staff can do it (if they’re on the ball, and reg is
at a slow point, a provided laptop could mean it can be done *at*
registration the day they register), preferably with an explanation email so
that new con members and old can both go home and browse through it.

~Aurora

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Group: runacc Message: 2143 From: Karen Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Costume-Con 32 bid received
Location: Totonto, Ontario, Canada

Dates: TBD (ideally the last weekend in April/first weekend in May 2014)

Venue: TBD (probably the The International Plaza hotel, but 2 other backup hotels are in reserve)

Committee:
Chair: Dawn McKechnie
Con Advisor: Barb Schofield
Treasurer: Maral Agnerian

Supporting organizations:
Fibre Fantasy Artists of Canada, Anime North, Smofcan

Voting to take place at Costume-Con 29 in 2011 (you must have at least a supporting membership in CC29 to vote).

–Karen

 

Group: runacc Message: 2144 From: Karen Date: 11/30/2010
Subject: Re: The future of the Future Fashion Folio
Coming into this discussion late…(Sorry…most of my YahooGroups mail appears to be going to an email account I don’t have access to any more, and I don’t see a global way to fix it…)

I will reiterate what someone said: Several of the strongest designers are ADAMANT that they will NOT submit if their work is posted to the Internet (especially in downloadable form). They have had documentable design theft in the past, so I don’t blame them for having this attitude. They were even struggling with the idea of their designs being emailed, so future committees BE AWARE of this issue.

Releasing the Folio electronically is actually a PLUS, because you can have the designs in color, which is not possible in a printed Folio (too expensive).

I don’t see why there can’t be copies of the Folio on disk at the con to hand to at the door registratons…there is also nothing wrong with mailing copies to the at the door people after the con. This has been done in the past with hard copies of the Folio and copies of the Whole Costumer’s Catalogue, so there is a precedent. And discs are cheaper to burn and mail than a printed Folio. If people want the tactile feel of a printed folio, they will take the disc and print themselves a copy.

–Karen

 

Group: runacc Message: 2145 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] “Costume”

I used to be on the side of “it’s all costume” but am having a re-think
because of this discussion.

I might suggest, after reading all the varied responses to the initial
discussion starter, that it *could* be prudent to create a more official
“for release” description of what we mean by the word “costume” as it
relates to the event called Costume-Con.

I’ll tell you why.

Way back, in the dark ages, when I ran CCXV, I tried very hard to pull
in the local historical impressionists (recreationists isn’t always
right anymore) and got a whole bunch of push back from them.

In the end we had a respectable population of folks who don’t do fantasy
costume and we had a decent historical masquerade, but that push back
has stuck with me since then.

Would we reach more people if there was a more universally acceptable
description of what the word “costume” means to us? Something simple and
clear, to the point, that addresses all aspects of clothing and its
various uses?

After all, even in the fantasy/sf worlds, most of what we think of as
“costume” would be considered “clothing” to the folks wearing it, with
the exception of folks in the entertainment biz.

Food for thought on a gloomy and cold morning. No, I’m not volunteering
to write it.

Cheers,

Betsy

On 12/4/2010 11:15 PM, Kaijugal . wrote:
> By definition it’s all costume. It’s hard to know every groups personal preferences.
> It’s nice to try an use the terms that certain groups prefer for their own form of dress,
> but as pointed out, even within groups there are individuals with differing preferences.

[snip]



Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

Group: runacc Message: 2146 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 12/5/2010
Subject: A fascinating discussion on ICG-D at the moment…
Been following along since the subject came up. Thought it prudent to
forward something that’s been bothering me a while.

If you’re not on the list, now might be a worthwhile time to go poke
into the public archives on the yahoogroups site and see what’s going on.

Just a thought.

Betsy

(ps: Checking in, because I haven’t in a while. If you’re receiving
these messages and you don’t want to be, please let us know or follow
the un-sub link below.)



Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

Group: runacc Message: 2147 From: Michael Date: 12/27/2010
Subject: perpetual CC mailing list
I believe there was a movement to collect names/addresses/email addresses to create a permanent CC mailing list. I know I have the option to join the list on my registration forms. Does that list exist yet? If so, who has it?

Thanks.

Michael

 

Group: runacc Message: 2148 From: Elaine Mami Date: 12/27/2010
Subject: Re: perpetual CC mailing list
Michael.

We got the list from Dora, and have been adding to it. I’ll ask Marg (Oh, Marg!) to get you a copy. It may be in Kim’s records.

Elaine
Nil significat nisi oscillat!

I believe there was a movement to collect names/addresses/email addresses to create a permanent CC mailing list. I know I have the option to join the list on my registration forms. Does that list exist yet? If so, who has it?

Thanks.

Michael

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Group: runacc Message: 2149 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 12/27/2010
Subject: Re: perpetual CC mailing list
I still have to get the reg list from 28 done. Too much life in the way
since then.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2150 From: Nora Date: 12/28/2010
Subject: Re: perpetual CC mailing list

Yeah, we started this back at CC25. Good to know it’s still around and someone’s trying to keep it current.

Nora

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Mami <ecmami@…> wrote:
>
>
> Michael.
>
> We got the list from Dora, and have been adding to it. I’ll ask Marg (Oh, Marg!) to get you a copy. It may be in Kim’s records.
>
> Elaine
> Nil significat nisi oscillat!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I believe there was a movement to collect names/addresses/email addresses to create a permanent CC mailing list. I know I have the option to join the list on my registration forms. Does that list exist yet? If so, who has it?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

 

 

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Subject: CC28 – Con Suite & root beer
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Subject: Re: CC28 report – Con Suite
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Group: runacc Message: 2070 From: Elaine Mami Date: 7/3/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 2071 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 7/3/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 2072 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/4/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 2073 From: Margie Date: 7/4/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 2074 From: Dora Buck Date: 7/4/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 2075 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/4/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 2076 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/4/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 2077 From: Elaine Mami Date: 7/4/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 2078 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 7/6/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Dealers
Group: runacc Message: 2079 From: Elaine Mami Date: 7/6/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Dealers
Group: runacc Message: 2080 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 7/7/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Official Photography
Group: runacc Message: 2081 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/7/2010
Subject: Correction (RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Official Photography)
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Subject: Re: Correction (RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Official Photography)
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Subject: Sponsorships
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Group: runacc Message: 2086 From: Elaine Mami Date: 7/14/2010
Subject: Re: Sponsorships
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Group: runacc Message: 2051 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: CC28 report – Historical masq
This had to be one of the most entertaining Historical Masquerades in the
convention’s history. Each costume was well done, the presentations clever
and not overly long.

Here’s the awards breakdown:

16 Entries – 15 with awards, 1 without (virtually 100%)

Divisions: 6 Master, 3 Journeymen, 7 Novice

Awards: 4 Documentation, 9 Workmanship, 10 Presentation; total: 23 awards

So, this masquerade seemed more balanced, although – was it really so good
that EVERYONE should get an award? Maybe – the issue becomes, if everyone
gets an award, the awards could lose their meaning.

It also points out how different judging can be from one panel to another.

One other thing of note that CC comcoms/MDs should consider: When having a
post-masquerade photo run on the stage, someone on the crew needs to be
appointed as costumer wrangler. By this, I mean, have someone show where
they should stand so that fan photographers can best see their subject in
the stage lights, suggest some poses, MAKE THE COSTUMER HOLD STILL LONG
ENOUGH THAT PEOPLE CAN FOCUS AND SHOOT, and make sure that all the fans have
taken their shots before the costumer either changes pose or leaves the
stage.

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Group: runacc Message: 2052 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/19/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – LAA — FOR THIS LIST ONLY

For Carl’s, he was up on a riser, doing video. We were just told to make sure someone was on the riser with him in case he needed “any kind of help,” as he had recently had heart problems. Help was needed, both to catch him as he dove off of the riser and to grab the video and keep shooting!

Elaine

Nil significat nisi oscillat!

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: MartinGear@comcast.net
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 20:31:05 -0400
Subject: Re: [runacc] CC28 report – LAA — FOR THIS LIST ONLY

For what it is worth, for the very first LAA, Janet just told me to go
find Marjii, stay with her, and not let her leave the backstage area
(Marjii was a contestant), and get her on stage at “the appropriate
time”. (She left it up to me to figure out what the appropriate time
was.) All without telling me anything about the LAA.
I don’t remember what happened when I got mine other than I really
didn’t think that I deserved it. (No, I’m not giving it back!)
Marty

Andrew T Trembley wrote:

>
>
> On Jun 18, 2010, at 1:42 PM, Betsy Delaney wrote:
> > I wasn’t there so I can’t say for sure what happened, but future concoms
> > should take note that from what I’ve read, this arrangement was WAY
> > suboptimal, especially for a con like Costume-Con, and goes far
> beyond just
> > the LAA.
>
> There was a lot of suboptimal, but there was also one unusual problem.
>
> Richard had a memory card go sour and corrupt a bunch of photos
> (fortunately he discovered this during judging when he was providing
> us references), so he and Chris had to get a bunch of entrants back to
> the photo area to reshoot them. Nora was one of them, and got called
> back to photo a minute or two before the LAA. Horrible timing, but it
> would be difficult to avoid.
>
> That said, it would be a good thing for the Pres to let another
> officer present in on the selection before the show starts (to keep
> track of the winner during the show) and the MD if the winner is an
> entrant in the show.
>
> andy
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Group: runacc Message: 2053 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/20/2010
Subject: CC28 report – wrap up
So, despite some bad vibes, everyone who attended had a pretty good time.
And as is usually the case, you make your own fun, and it’s always enjoyable
to get together with the people you only see in person once a year.

Final grade: the con averaged a C+. Let’s hope CC29 learns from the
problems with communication, and organization at CC28.

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Group: runacc Message: 2054 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/20/2010
Subject: CC28 report – Monday
Got slightly out of order there, but – we’re getting near the end.

Monday activities were practically non-existent – had it not been for the
Archives program and the SLCG bowling outing, there was not much reason to
stick around. There should have been some other light panel programming.
The reason for no real panel programming was a cost-saving measure on
meeting space. Again, many people complained that this effectively made CC28
more of a three day con, not a 4-day, which is normally promoted.

Sunday night, there were conflicting times and locations announced during
the Historical Masq on for the Archives Road Show. On Monday morning, the
Archivists were told the show would be in the con suite used all weekend.
At 11:00 am, halfway through the show, word was given that the show and the
audience would have to move down to the Con Chair’s suite. So we all had to
trundle down there to finish up. Rather annoying.

Nonetheless, the Road Show proved popular. The room was very full. We had
several of the people in the room featured in the videos, so they got a
little extra recognition as either having participated in a historically
significant costume presentation or were one of the “15 Costumers You Should
Know”. All in all, despite the inconvenience of picking up and moving, the
turnout of people confirmed the Road Show is a good fit for Monday
programming.

The Bowling With the SLUTs event was a lot of fun. About 21 of us from the
convention went, including 8 folks from Canada.

The Dead Dog party was rather subdued – even with the Mousekerade. Probably
more people left the con Monday after learning of the lack of much

programming. Most of us turned in early, to get ready to leave on Tuesday.
That was disappointing.

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Group: runacc Message: 2055 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/23/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – The Hotel

In a message dated 6/9/2010 6:16:57 AM Central Daylight Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> While the hotel made a nice setting for the theme of the con, the
> atmosphere
> did not justify the costs to stay there. We’ve been proponents of
> suburban/industrial park hotels ever since CC16 – the room nights cost
> less
> and the parking is free. (The only drawback might be fewer places to eat
> within walking distance, but not always). We thought the lesson was
> learned
> for CC21.

In choosing the location for CC28, I considered what was near the hotel.
Hotels that may have cost less, in every respect, are near very little.
Especially on foot. Not everyone drives to Costume-Con. There was an abundance of
places to eat and see within blocks of the hotel. I was also aware that many
people like to see things when they come.

Adding to the irritation was the fact that the water park in the

> hotel was not included in the room nights because that would’ve added
> even
> more cost. This makes two years in a row with no pool or hot tub.
>

If the cost of water park admission had been included in the room rate, it
would have raised the rate by about $20. I put out a call to see if there
were enough people interested in going to the water park before the con, in
hopes to get a group rate. I only had about 6 people interested.

> On the plus side, the hotel staff was friendly and it had three
> restaurants.
> One comment was made that the Café service was not very good, but everyone
> had a positive one for the Irish pub. The elevators all worked and were
> very fast.
>

The staff has always been friendly there. The one time I went to the Cafe
before the con, I was not impressed. If you mean the Miller Pub when you say
the Irish Pub, I have always gotten great service in there.

> The rooms, themselves, were designed oddly – possibly as a result of
> updates. The towel racks were in the tub(?), the sink jutted out so much
> that one couldn’t get very close to the mirror (important for makeup,
> shaving, etc.) and the beds had the ugliest headboards imaginable. Closet
> space differed from room to room – some were very deep, while others were
> not big enough. The dressers only had two drawers, and they were very
> shallow.

You were, and almost everyone, was in the old section of the hotel, which
was built back in the 20’s. Have you forgotten the rooms at the Hotel Fort
Des Moines? They were not the standard, modern, cookie-cutter rooms. Those
ugly head boards have since been changed out, FYI.

There were some isolated complaints about room problems – one had

> a thermostat problem, and another room had a smoke detector that wouldn’t
> stop beeping, so the occupants had to move because the hotel staff had no
> simple solution.
>

They heating system is as old as the building, and weird. They have a hard
time getting it to function the way they would like it.

> And what was up with the bottles of water in them, where you
> would be charged $4 for drinking one?
>

Um, standard in many hotels these days, I have found. Just like the minibar
which looks like a minifridge, and they charge you if it is not stocked
when the maids come around in the morning. Even if the stuff is sitting right
there on top the thing.

> Parking cost $12 a day. The only positive things said were at least the
> covered and attached garage, allowed people to stay dry while loading and
> unloading vehicle (it rained on the way home).
>

That rate was in our contract.

> One last quote: “The parking garage – does everybody in Milwaukee drive
> like
> a psycho or just the people in that garage? I think 50 mph is kind of fast
> inside &they loved to use their horns.”
>
>

They lease parking space to a neighboring office building. I have passed
this along and they have spoken with them.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2056 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/23/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – The Hotel

In a message dated 6/9/2010 7:05:30 PM Central Daylight Time,
bpconnell@verizon.net writes:

>
> The quality of breakfast in the Cafe was mediocre at best. I did not have
> a positive word for the Pub.
>

Why? Poor service? Lack of selection? I’m curious.

> While I can sympathize with those who missed a pool, I did not.
>

The only time I actually got to the pool at a CC was CC19 in Calgary.
Mainly because I was new in the group, did not know many folks, and had the time.

> I’ve seen bottled water labeled at a lot more than $4 each at some places
> I’ve stayed. Bottles of water in hotel rooms are like mini-bars in hotel
> rooms; it is best to ignore their existence.

What he said.

Henry

More responses tomorrow.

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Group: runacc Message: 2057 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/23/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – The Hotel

Those were my comments. While the Cafe’s breakfast buffet was a standard Hilton breakfast buffet, when I tried the waffles instead of eggs,they were cardboardy and tough. They seemed to have been sitting there far too long. If no egg chef was present, as happened at least one, the steam table scrambled eggs were no better than one would expect from steam-table scrambled eggs. Bacon was very salty; the sausages were decent. Sandy warned us off on the Eggs Benedict on the menu.

I had lunch twice in the Miller’s Pub. Service was fine; however, by the end of the second meal, I had exhausted everything on the menu I would eat and had no reason to go back again. This was a problem because I was unable to have dinner on either Saturday or Sunday since I was tied up in the green room until real late on both evenings. That’s fine, if I can have a substantial late lunch; however, that was difficult to do both days. (Tina and I went to the mall food court both times, if I recall correctly.) Dinner in the steak house on our first evening was extremely expensive and almost worth the price.

On Monday, we drove to Fleming’s in a suburb and had a superb dinner (which we expect to have at a Fleming’s).

Byron

On Jun 23, 2010, at 5:58 PM, osierhenry@cs.com wrote:

> In a message dated 6/9/2010 7:05:30 PM Central Daylight Time,
> bpconnell@verizon.net writes:
> >
> > The quality of breakfast in the Cafe was mediocre at best. I did not have
> > a positive word for the Pub.
> >
> Why? Poor service? Lack of selection? I’m curious.
>
> > While I can sympathize with those who missed a pool, I did not.
> >
> The only time I actually got to the pool at a CC was CC19 in Calgary.
> Mainly because I was new in the group, did not know many folks, and had the time.
>
> > I’ve seen bottled water labeled at a lot more than $4 each at some places
> > I’ve stayed. Bottles of water in hotel rooms are like mini-bars in hotel
> > rooms; it is best to ignore their existence.
>
> What he said.
>
> Henry
>
> More responses tomorrow.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2058 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/26/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – The Hotel

In a message dated 6/23/2010 8:17:26 PM Central Daylight Time,
bpconnell@verizon.net writes:

> Those were my comments. While the Cafe’s breakfast buffet was a standard
> Hilton breakfast buffet, when I tried the waffles instead of eggs,they
> were cardboardy and tough. They seemed to have been sitting there far too
> long. If no egg chef was present, as happened at least one, the steam table
> scrambled eggs were no better than one would expect from steam-table
> scrambled eggs. Bacon was very salty; the sausages were decent. Sandy warned us
> off on the Eggs Benedict on the menu.
>

I don’t have much to say about that.

> I had lunch twice in the Miller’s Pub. Service was fine; however, by the
> end of the second meal, I had exhausted everything on the menu I would eat
> and had no reason to go back again. This was a problem because I was
> unable to have dinner on either Saturday or Sunday since I was tied up in the
> green room until real late on both evenings. That’s fine, if I can have a
> substantial late lunch; however, that was difficult to do both days. (Tina
> and I went to the mall food court both times, if I recall correctly.)
> Dinner in the steak house on our first evening was extremely expensive and
> almost worth the price.
>

They did add extra staff in the pub for us, but, yea, small menu. I heard
the Chop House was good, but did not have the time to try it.

> On Monday, we drove to Fleming’s in a suburb and had a superb dinner
> (which we expect to have at a Fleming’s).

That was out in Brookfield. You should have ask me for a recommendation of
where to eat. I could have found you a place closer to the hotel. Even given
you directions to a few East Indian places.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2059 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/27/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Con Suite

In a message dated 6/9/2010 10:10:04 PM Central Daylight Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> We were glad to see the Con Suite open on Thursday night, although not
> all
> the membership packet pieces were ready to be distributed by the time
> people
> were arriving in the evening.

That was because we did not get the program books till that morning. We got
extremely fortunate that our Webhost has an HP9000 printer. That’s one of
those that is about three foot on side and can handle huge print jobs. It
saved us probably about $500 to $700 on printing.

The size of the suite was adequate for> handling the expected crowds. The

> hours for the con suite during the weekend were reasonable, but it was
> understaffed.

Finding a person to run ConSuite was continual hard spot to fill. Wendy Z
from Chicago said she would tackle the running of the place at the con months
before the con. I got advice from friends in St. Louis and a friend in town
that works and runs the Convergence ConSuite. He was unavailable to run it
due to his job. A friend of Wendy and myself stepped up to the plate to help
her out, and the MACS guild volunteered to help, but I think they were
distracted by their first CC.

The person did a good job of stocking supplies with what they had, but some
people

> said there wasn’t enough variety.
>

We got what we thought would be a basic assortment.

Not complaining, but I wish that Elaine had told me she was going to get a
half barrel of Sprecher Root Beer, a local brand. When it went back Monday,
it was still over half full. It would have been nice to have that thing
going all weekend. sigh

> If it hadn’t been for the future CC parties, the fare would have
> been rather dull. The Kringle in the mornings did make it unnecessary to
> go
> out for breakfast, which was nice.
>

We were just looking to have basics, with a few local things. Like the
cheese curds, which we had to restock over the weekend. And, upon the suggestion
of Deech Mestrel in St. Louis, beef sticks. Those went well, too.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2060 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/27/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Con Suite
Henry,

Actually, it was up and running (and being used!) all weekend. That’s why we didn’t return it earlier.

Elaine

Chaise, CC30

Not complaining, but I wish that Elaine had told me she was going to get a half barrel of Sprecher Root Beer, a local brand. When it went back Monday, it was still over half full. It would have been nice to have that thing
going all weekend. sigh

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Group: runacc Message: 2061 From: tinathebookworm Date: 6/27/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – The Hotel

From Tina, re: Flemings:
Henry, Byron & I weren’t looking for your recommendations. We had already planned to eat at Flemings, before we even left Albany. It’s a wonderful little chain of steakhouses, similar to Capital Grille, and we try to get to one whenever we are near to one of their locations.

I won’t say that price is no object, it definitely is, but at Flemings you know that you will always get an excellent, even superb, meal. Worth every penny! And it didn’t hurt that my boss had given me a $50 gift certificate that I could use there, back at Christmas. As soon as I got that, I started checking out the Milwaukee and Raleigh areas for locations.

Tina

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, osierhenry@… wrote:
>
> In a message dated 6/23/2010 8:17:26 PM Central Daylight Time,
> bpconnell@… writes:
> > Those were my comments. While the Cafe’s breakfast buffet was a standard
> > Hilton breakfast buffet, when I tried the waffles instead of eggs,they
> > were cardboardy and tough. They seemed to have been sitting there far too
> > long. If no egg chef was present, as happened at least one, the steam table
> > scrambled eggs were no better than one would expect from steam-table
> > scrambled eggs. Bacon was very salty; the sausages were decent. Sandy warned us
> > off on the Eggs Benedict on the menu.
> >
>
> I don’t have much to say about that.
>
> > I had lunch twice in the Miller’s Pub. Service was fine; however, by the
> > end of the second meal, I had exhausted everything on the menu I would eat
> > and had no reason to go back again. This was a problem because I was
> > unable to have dinner on either Saturday or Sunday since I was tied up in the
> > green room until real late on both evenings. That’s fine, if I can have a
> > substantial late lunch; however, that was difficult to do both days. (Tina
> > and I went to the mall food court both times, if I recall correctly.)
> > Dinner in the steak house on our first evening was extremely expensive and
> > almost worth the price.
> >
> They did add extra staff in the pub for us, but, yea, small menu. I heard
> the Chop House was good, but did not have the time to try it.
>
> > On Monday, we drove to Fleming’s in a suburb and had a superb dinner
> > (which we expect to have at a Fleming’s).
>
> That was out in Brookfield. You should have ask me for a recommendation of
> where to eat. I could have found you a place closer to the hotel. Even given
> you directions to a few East Indian places.
>
> Henry
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2062 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/28/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Con Suite

In a message dated 6/27/2010 6:11:50 PM Central Daylight Time,
ecmami@hotmail.com writes:

> Actually, it was up and running (and being used!) all weekend. That’s
> why we didn’t return it earlier.

It was? Golly! Shows you how busy I was! I never got up there! And I am
surprised it was as full as it was when it went back.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2063 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/28/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – The Hotel

In a message dated 6/27/2010 7:51:45 PM Central Daylight Time,
connell-t1@verizon.net writes:

> From Tina, re: Flemings:
>
> I won’t say that price is no object, it definitely is, but at Flemings you
> know that you will always get an excellent, even superb, meal. Worth every
> penny
>
>

Well, thanks for that info! I drive past it every month on the job and
wonder how it is.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2064 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/28/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Programming

In a message dated 6/10/2010 8:39:02 PM Central Daylight Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> A call for programming occurred only a month or two before the
> convention.
>
>
>

I want to double check on this date before I comment further.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2065 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/2/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Con Suite
However, stuck back in a corner, many people didn’t know it was there.

Bruce

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Elaine Mami
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 6:10 PM
To: Betsy D
Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite

Henry,

Actually, it was up and running (and being used!) all weekend. That’s why
we didn’t return it earlier.

Elaine

Chaise, CC30

Not complaining, but I wish that Elaine had told me she was going to get a
half barrel of Sprecher Root Beer, a local brand. When it went back Monday,
it was still over half full. It would have been nice to have that thing
going all weekend. sigh

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Group: runacc Message: 2066 From: Elaine Mami Date: 7/2/2010
Subject: CC28 – Con Suite & root beer
I’m sorry you missed it. It was put there to keep more room open for socializing, to be closer to the large chairs (for a clubby feel), and for the availablity of the outlet. Almost everyone found it on Saturday night, and it was never moved, because of the weight of it.

E

Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite

However, stuck back in a corner, many people didn’t know it was there.

Bruce

To: Betsy D
Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite

Henry,

Actually, it was up and running (and being used!) all weekend. That’s why
we didn’t return it earlier.

Elaine

Chaise, CC30

Not complaining, but I wish that Elaine had told me she was going to get a
half barrel of Sprecher Root Beer, a local brand. When it went back Monday,
it was still over half full. It would have been nice to have that thing
going all weekend. sigh

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Group: runacc Message: 2067 From: Kaijugal . Date: 7/2/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Con Suite
I have to agree with Bruce on this. The first I heard about it was on this list.

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: casamai@sbcglobal.net
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 06:29:19 -0500
Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite

However, stuck back in a corner, many people didn’t know it was there.

Bruce

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Group: runacc Message: 2068 From: Elaine Mami Date: 7/2/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Con Suite
Sorry.

Elaine

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: kaijugal@hotmail.com
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 20:32:21 -0400
Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite

I have to agree with Bruce on this. The first I heard about it was on this list.

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: casamai@sbcglobal.net
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 06:29:19 -0500
Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite

However, stuck back in a corner, many people didn’t know it was there.

Bruce

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Group: runacc Message: 2069 From: Kaijugal . Date: 7/3/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Con Suite

^_^;; No need to be sorry Elaine, it’s just a shame that it seems some of us didn’t know about it.

I think with all cons, there are too many things to know. ^_^’

> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: ecmami@hotmail.com
> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 20:54:01 -0400
> Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite
>
>
> Sorry.
>
> Elaine
>
>
>
>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: kaijugal@hotmail.com
> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 20:32:21 -0400
> Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I have to agree with Bruce on this. The first I heard about it was on this list.
>
>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: casamai@sbcglobal.net
> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 06:29:19 -0500
> Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite
>
> However, stuck back in a corner, many people didn’t know it was there.
>
> Bruce
>
>
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Group: runacc Message: 2070 From: Elaine Mami Date: 7/3/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Con Suite

That’s exactly why the post-con commentaries are so important! I know Dora, Michael & I are paying close attention to all of them, and passing them on to our department heads in order to avoid those mistakes.

Actually, I plan to make entirely *different* mistakes!!

Elaine

Chaise, CC30

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: kaijugal@hotmail.com
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 00:54:41 -0400
Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite

^_^;; No need to be sorry Elaine, it’s just a shame that it seems some of us didn’t know about it.

I think with all cons, there are too many things to know. ^_^’

> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: ecmami@hotmail.com
> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 20:54:01 -0400
> Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite
>
>
> Sorry.
>
> Elaine
>
>
>
>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: kaijugal@hotmail.com
> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 20:32:21 -0400
> Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I have to agree with Bruce on this. The first I heard about it was on this list.
>
>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: casamai@sbcglobal.net
> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 06:29:19 -0500
> Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite
>
> However, stuck back in a corner, many people didn’t know it was there.
>
> Bruce
>
>
> __________________________________________________________
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Group: runacc Message: 2071 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 7/3/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Con Suite

At 07:54 PM 7/2/2010, you wrote:

I think this was one of those you cannot win situations. If it had
been more “obvious” it would have been in the way. It wasn’t in the
way, but wasn’t as obvious. Though I found it easily enough and
enjoyed it immensely.

Pierre

>Sorry.
>
>Elaine
>
>To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
>From: kaijugal@hotmail.com
>Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 20:32:21 -0400
>Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite
>
>I have to agree with Bruce on this. The first I heard about it was
>on this list.
>
>To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
>From: casamai@sbcglobal.net
>Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 06:29:19 -0500
>Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite
>
>However, stuck back in a corner, many people didn’t know it was there.
>
>Bruce

“Those Who Fail to Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly –
Why They Are Simply Doomed.”

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C. Y. 4971

Andromeda

 

Group: runacc Message: 2072 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/4/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Con Suite

New mistakes, while not good, are at least better than the same old
mistakes.

Nora

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From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Elaine Mami
Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 12:01 PM
To: Betsy D
Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite

That’s exactly why the post-con commentaries are so important! I know Dora,
Michael & I are paying close attention to all of them, and passing them on
to our department heads in order to avoid those mistakes.

Actually, I plan to make entirely *different* mistakes!!

Elaine

Chaise, CC30

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: kaijugal@hotmail.com
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 00:54:41 -0400
Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite

^_^;; No need to be sorry Elaine, it’s just a shame that it seems some of us
didn’t know about it.

I think with all cons, there are too many things to know. ^_^’

> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: ecmami@hotmail.com
> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 20:54:01 -0400
> Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite
>
>
> Sorry.
>
> Elaine
>
>
>
>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: kaijugal@hotmail.com
> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 20:32:21 -0400
> Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I have to agree with Bruce on this. The first I heard about it was on this

list.

>
>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: casamai@sbcglobal.net
> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 06:29:19 -0500
> Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite
>
> However, stuck back in a corner, many people didn’t know it was there.
>
> Bruce
>
>
> __________________________________________________________
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Group: runacc Message: 2073 From: Margie Date: 7/4/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Con Suite

Perhaps a sign on the wall saying “Here there be Root Beer!” with an arrow pointing down (or something like that) would’ve solved the problem.

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Pierre & Sandy Pettinger <costumrs@…> wrote:
>
> At 07:54 PM 7/2/2010, you wrote:
>
> I think this was one of those you cannot win situations. If it had
> been more “obvious” it would have been in the way. It wasn’t in the
> way, but wasn’t as obvious. Though I found it easily enough and
> enjoyed it immensely.
>
> Pierre
>
> >Sorry.
> >
> >Elaine
> >
> >To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> >From: kaijugal@…
> >Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 20:32:21 -0400
> >Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite
> >
> >I have to agree with Bruce on this. The first I heard about it was
> >on this list.
> >
> >To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> >From: casamai@…
> >Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 06:29:19 -0500
> >Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite
> >
> >However, stuck back in a corner, many people didn’t know it was there.
> >
> >Bruce
>
> “Those Who Fail to Learn History
> Are Doomed to Repeat It;
> Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly –
> Why They Are Simply Doomed.”
>
> Achemdro’hm
> “The Illusion of Historical Fact”
> — C. Y. 4971
>
> Andromeda
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2074 From: Dora Buck Date: 7/4/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Con Suite

Of course your will Elaine, or you wouldn’t be Elaine.  Maybe the heat out there has fried your brain cells. LOL.

________________________________
From: Elaine Mami <ecmami@hotmail.com>
To: Betsy D <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, July 3, 2010 1:00:41 PM
Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite

That’s exactly why the post-con commentaries are so important!  I know Dora, Michael & I are paying close attention to all of them, and passing them on to our department heads in order to avoid those mistakes.

Actually, I plan to make entirely *different* mistakes!!

Elaine

Chaise, CC30

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: kaijugal@hotmail.com
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 00:54:41 -0400
Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite

^_^;; No need to be sorry Elaine, it’s just a shame that it seems some of us didn’t know about it.

I think with all cons, there are too many things to know. ^_^’

> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: ecmami@hotmail.com
> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 20:54:01 -0400
> Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite
>
>
> Sorry.
>
> Elaine
>
>
>
>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: kaijugal@hotmail.com
> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 20:32:21 -0400
> Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I have to agree with Bruce on this. The first I heard about it was on this list.
>
>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: casamai@sbcglobal.net
> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 06:29:19 -0500
> Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite
>
> However, stuck back in a corner, many people didn’t know it was there.
>
> Bruce
>
>
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Group: runacc Message: 2075 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/4/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Con Suite

You’d think word of mouth would have been enough, but people just don’t pay
attention. I only knew about it because Nora told me.

Bruce

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Pierre & Sandy Pettinger
Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 9:11 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] RE: CC28 report – Con Suite

At 07:54 PM 7/2/2010, you wrote:

I think this was one of those you cannot win situations. If it had
been more “obvious” it would have been in the way. It wasn’t in the
way, but wasn’t as obvious. Though I found it easily enough and
enjoyed it immensely.

Pierre

>Sorry.
>
>Elaine
>
>To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
>From: kaijugal@hotmail.com
>Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 20:32:21 -0400
>Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite
>
>I have to agree with Bruce on this. The first I heard about it was
>on this list.
>
>To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
>From: casamai@sbcglobal.net
>Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 06:29:19 -0500
>Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite
>
>However, stuck back in a corner, many people didn’t know it was there.
>
>Bruce

 

Group: runacc Message: 2076 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/4/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Con Suite

Yeah, the sledgehammer approach at least betters your odds. 🙂

Bruce

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Margie
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 9:54 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] Re: CC28 report – Con Suite

Perhaps a sign on the wall saying “Here there be Root Beer!” with an arrow
pointing down (or something like that) would’ve solved the problem.

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Pierre & Sandy Pettinger <costumrs@…>
wrote:

>
> At 07:54 PM 7/2/2010, you wrote:
>
> I think this was one of those you cannot win situations. If it had
> been more “obvious” it would have been in the way. It wasn’t in the
> way, but wasn’t as obvious. Though I found it easily enough and
> enjoyed it immensely.
>
> Pierre
>
> >Sorry.
> >
> >Elaine
> >
> >To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> >From: kaijugal@…
> >Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 20:32:21 -0400
> >Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite
> >
> >I have to agree with Bruce on this. The first I heard about it was
> >on this list.
> >
> >To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> >From: casamai@…
> >Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 06:29:19 -0500
> >Subject: RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Con Suite
> >
> >However, stuck back in a corner, many people didn’t know it was there.
> >
> >Bruce
>
> “Those Who Fail to Learn History
> Are Doomed to Repeat It;
> Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly –
> Why They Are Simply Doomed.”
>
> Achemdro’hm
> “The Illusion of Historical Fact”
> — C. Y. 4971
>
> Andromeda
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2077 From: Elaine Mami Date: 7/4/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Con Suite
Heat? What are you talking about? I set my A/C to 80 degrees and keep cool! It’s only 105 here this week ;P

We have a whole committee devoted to keeping my brain from exploding – they are the silly people who asked me to do this job, and the ones who volunteered to join the madness.

Elaine

Of course your will Elaine, or you wouldn’t be Elaine. Maybe the heat out there has fried your brain cells. LOL.

________________________________

That’s exactly why the post-con commentaries are so important! I know Dora, Michael & I are paying close attention to all of them, and passing them on to our department heads in order to avoid those mistakes.

Actually, I plan to make entirely *different* mistakes!!

Elaine

Chaise, CC30

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Group: runacc Message: 2078 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 7/6/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Dealers

In a message dated 6/10/2010 8:40:19 PM Central Daylight Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> Some people felt it was smallish and limited in scope, but given the size
> of
> the convention, it wasn’t surprising. Most of our people felt the dealers
> weren’t particularly exciting, and thus didn’t buy much. Worst of all
> there were no book dealers.

This was another “last minute scramble” affair. The person who was working
on it had to bail out because of the medical conditions that her infant
daughter has. Another staffer jumped into the saddle and did the best she could
with limited time. Many dealers never replied to her, even after numerous
follow up e-mails and phone calls.

In regard to not buying much, maybe you did not, but others certainly did!
All but one dealer said they did fantastic sales.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2079 From: Elaine Mami Date: 7/6/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Dealers

I spent my share 🙁

Elaine

Nil significat nisi oscillat!

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: osierhenry@cs.com
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 15:49:21 -0400
Subject: Re: [runacc] CC28 report – Dealers

In a message dated 6/10/2010 8:40:19 PM Central Daylight Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> Some people felt it was smallish and limited in scope, but given the size
> of
> the convention, it wasn’t surprising. Most of our people felt the dealers
> weren’t particularly exciting, and thus didn’t buy much. Worst of all
> there were no book dealers.

This was another “last minute scramble” affair. The person who was working
on it had to bail out because of the medical conditions that her infant
daughter has. Another staffer jumped into the saddle and did the best she could
with limited time. Many dealers never replied to her, even after numerous
follow up e-mails and phone calls.

In regard to not buying much, maybe you did not, but others certainly did!
All but one dealer said they did fantastic sales.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2080 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 7/7/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Official Photography

In a message dated 6/10/2010 9:00:53 PM Central Daylight Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> The con chair asked for opinions on photographer for the convention

First of all, I have a name, Mr. Archive Man In St. Louis.

– an > opinion was given that the one they chose was on the expensive

> side, and the
> idea that the CD photo Folio of the entire convention being only
> web-quality
> rubbed many the wrong way. We opted to just pool all our photos together
> from several cameras and distribute a set to all the SLCG photographers.
> Beyond that, while he didn’t often actively seek out people in the halls,
> he
> was fairly diligent and meticulous about photographing all the competition
> costumes and fashion shows.
>

Robin Netherton’s partner Don McClane was approached early about being the
photographer, but the convention would have had to paid for such things as
backdrops, lighting, photo printer, etc. And, going into the convention, I
was watching the nickels hard. Real hard. Richard Man came with all that
stuff. I worked on his prices to get them down. Which he did lower. I set Don
loose on the hallways, not just for hall costumes, but those odd juxtapositions
of costumes that occur. So, the photos were split between two people.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2081 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 7/7/2010
Subject: Correction (RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Official Photography)

Don McClane is Robin’s friend not partner.
Long time friends & they frequently travel & room together at cons. He helps
handle her slide shows for her talks sometimes too.

Nora

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
osierhenry@cs.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 6:59 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] CC28 report – Official Photography

In a message dated 6/10/2010 9:00:53 PM Central Daylight Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> The con chair asked for opinions on photographer for the convention

First of all, I have a name, Mr. Archive Man In St. Louis.

– an > opinion was given that the one they chose was on the expensive

> side, and the
> idea that the CD photo Folio of the entire convention being only
> web-quality
> rubbed many the wrong way. We opted to just pool all our photos together
> from several cameras and distribute a set to all the SLCG photographers.
> Beyond that, while he didn’t often actively seek out people in the halls,
> he
> was fairly diligent and meticulous about photographing all the competition
> costumes and fashion shows.
>

Robin Netherton’s partner Don McClane was approached early about being the
photographer, but the convention would have had to paid for such things as
backdrops, lighting, photo printer, etc. And, going into the convention, I
was watching the nickels hard. Real hard. Richard Man came with all that
stuff. I worked on his prices to get them down. Which he did lower. I set
Don
loose on the hallways, not just for hall costumes, but those odd
juxtapositions
of costumes that occur. So, the photos were split between two people.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2082 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 7/10/2010
Subject: Re: Correction (RE: [runacc] CC28 report – Official Photography)

In a message dated 7/7/2010 7:59:16 PM Central Daylight Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> on McClane is Robin’s friend not partner.
> Long time friends &they frequently travel &room together at cons. He helps
> handle her slide shows for her talks sometimes too.
>
> Nora

Oh. Thanks. I did not exactly know their relationship.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2083 From: Michael Date: 7/13/2010
Subject: Sponsorships
I see this at all of the professional conferences that we send people to at work, and we often sponsor something. Has anyone considered or tried to have sponsorships at CC?

For example, sponsor the Friday Night Social for $1000 and get a big ad in the program book and your logo plastered all over the social.

Michael

 

Group: runacc Message: 2084 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 7/14/2010
Subject: Re: Sponsorships

A very long time ago, back when dinosaurs walked the earth and CC was
still in single digits, Janet Wilson Anderson (I think I’m remembering
this right) got sponsorships from Simplicity and/or Bernina, and they
had a display at the con, offered prizes during the masquerades and more.

I no longer recall the details, and all the paperwork now resides with
Karen. My vague recollection is that this was CC3, but that’s really too
long ago to be sure now.

I arranged for Clotilde to “sponsor” us for CCXV, and we got a huge box
of seam gauges to distribute to our members in return. (Had enough for
every packet and 100 left over, IIRC.)

Some of these bids are more successful than others…

Cheers,

Betsy

On 7/13/2010 11:40 PM, Michael wrote:
>
> I see this at all of the professional conferences that we send people to
> at work, and we often sponsor something. Has anyone considered or tried
> to have sponsorships at CC?
>
> For example, sponsor the Friday Night Social for $1000 and get a big ad
> in the program book and your logo plastered all over the social.
>
> Michael



Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

Group: runacc Message: 2085 From: Trudy Leonard Date: 7/14/2010
Subject: Re: Sponsorships

As late as CC22, I contacted Simplicity on the off chance that we might get contact information fo Martha McCann or Andrea Schewe. They offered us Andrea as a guest and paid all her expenses. Not actually a sponsorship, but at least something. CC27(?) had prizes from Simplicity and Andrea as a guest. Doesn’t hurt to ask.

Has anyone ever contacted Butterick? They’ve been getting fairly heavily into costume patterns and might be interested in raising their profile in the costuming community.

trudy

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: aramintamd@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:29:45 -0400
Subject: Re: [runacc] Sponsorships

A very long time ago, back when dinosaurs walked the earth and CC was
still in single digits, Janet Wilson Anderson (I think I’m remembering
this right) got sponsorships from Simplicity and/or Bernina, and they
had a display at the con, offered prizes during the masquerades and more.

I no longer recall the details, and all the paperwork now resides with
Karen. My vague recollection is that this was CC3, but that’s really too
long ago to be sure now.

I arranged for Clotilde to “sponsor” us for CCXV, and we got a huge box
of seam gauges to distribute to our members in return. (Had enough for
every packet and 100 left over, IIRC.)

Some of these bids are more successful than others…

Cheers,

Betsy

On 7/13/2010 11:40 PM, Michael wrote:
>
> I see this at all of the professional conferences that we send people to
> at work, and we often sponsor something. Has anyone considered or tried
> to have sponsorships at CC?
>
> For example, sponsor the Friday Night Social for $1000 and get a big ad
> in the program book and your logo plastered all over the social.
>
> Michael



Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

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Group: runacc Message: 2086 From: Elaine Mami Date: 7/14/2010
Subject: Re: Sponsorships
Usually, upcoming CCs and CC bids sponsor something in the cin suite. This year 29 sponsored sunday Breakfast and 30 sponsored the Saturday night party. There is no reason that I know of why a future CC couldn’t sponsor something else. I was, in fact, about to ask you what you wanted to sponsor at CC30. As the next CC after 30, you get first choice.

Elaine

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To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: bruno@soulmasque.com
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 03:40:43 +0000
Subject: [runacc] Sponsorships

I see this at all of the professional conferences that we send people to at work, and we often sponsor something. Has anyone considered or tried to have sponsorships at CC?

For example, sponsor the Friday Night Social for $1000 and get a big ad in the program book and your logo plastered all over the social.

Michael

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Group: runacc Message: 2087 From: Elaine Mami Date: 7/14/2010
Subject: Re: Sponsorships

I think that was at 6, because several of us bought Berninas at that con and shlepped them home to NJ & NY, with considerable discounts! I still love mine!

Elaine

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: aramintamd@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:29:45 -0400
Subject: Re: [runacc] Sponsorships

A very long time ago, back when dinosaurs walked the earth and CC was
still in single digits, Janet Wilson Anderson (I think I’m remembering
this right) got sponsorships from Simplicity and/or Bernina, and they
had a display at the con, offered prizes during the masquerades and more.

I no longer recall the details, and all the paperwork now resides with
Karen. My vague recollection is that this was CC3, but that’s really too
long ago to be sure now.

I arranged for Clotilde to “sponsor” us for CCXV, and we got a huge box
of seam gauges to distribute to our members in return. (Had enough for
every packet and 100 left over, IIRC.)

Some of these bids are more successful than others…

Cheers,

Betsy

On 7/13/2010 11:40 PM, Michael wrote:
>
> I see this at all of the professional conferences that we send people to
> at work, and we often sponsor something. Has anyone considered or tried
> to have sponsorships at CC?
>
> For example, sponsor the Friday Night Social for $1000 and get a big ad
> in the program book and your logo plastered all over the social.
>
> Michael



Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

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Group: runacc Message: 2088 From: Martin Gear Date: 7/14/2010
Subject: Re: Sponsorships

Betsy has the right con. We were able to get Simplicity as a sponsor
for CC-27 too (Best adaptation of a Simplicity pattern in the contests),
but given the size of Costume Cons, it is difficult to get major
corporations to spend money on us. Your best approach might be with
local merchants. I believe that CC-25 did that.

Marty

Betsy Delaney wrote:

>
>
> A very long time ago, back when dinosaurs walked the earth and CC was
> still in single digits, Janet Wilson Anderson (I think I’m remembering
> this right) got sponsorships from Simplicity and/or Bernina, and they
> had a display at the con, offered prizes during the masquerades and more.
>
> I no longer recall the details, and all the paperwork now resides with
> Karen. My vague recollection is that this was CC3, but that’s really too
> long ago to be sure now.
>
> I arranged for Clotilde to “sponsor” us for CCXV, and we got a huge box
> of seam gauges to distribute to our members in return. (Had enough for
> every packet and 100 left over, IIRC.)
>
> Some of these bids are more successful than others…
>
> Cheers,
>
> Betsy
>
> On 7/13/2010 11:40 PM, Michael wrote:
> >
> > I see this at all of the professional conferences that we send people to
> > at work, and we often sponsor something. Has anyone considered or tried
> > to have sponsorships at CC?
> >
> > For example, sponsor the Friday Night Social for $1000 and get a big ad
> > in the program book and your logo plastered all over the social.
> >
> > Michael
>
> —
> —
> Betsy Marks Delaney
>
> http://www.hawkeswood.com/
>
>
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Group: runacc Message: 2089 From: Elaine Mami Date: 7/14/2010
Subject: Re: Sponsorships

True. Simplicity was 3, but Bernina was 6. It never hurts to ask!

Elaine

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Betsy has the right con. We were able to get Simplicity as a sponsor
for CC-27 too (Best adaptation of a Simplicity pattern in the contests),
but given the size of Costume Cons, it is difficult to get major
corporations to spend money on us. Your best approach might be with
local merchants. I believe that CC-25 did that.

Marty

Betsy Delaney wrote:

>
>
> A very long time ago, back when dinosaurs walked the earth and CC was
> still in single digits, Janet Wilson Anderson (I think I’m remembering
> this right) got sponsorships from Simplicity and/or Bernina, and they
> had a display at the con, offered prizes during the masquerades and more.
>
> I no longer recall the details, and all the paperwork now resides with
> Karen. My vague recollection is that this was CC3, but that’s really too
> long ago to be sure now.
>
> I arranged for Clotilde to “sponsor” us for CCXV, and we got a huge box
> of seam gauges to distribute to our members in return. (Had enough for
> every packet and 100 left over, IIRC.)
>
> Some of these bids are more successful than others…
>
> Cheers,
>
> Betsy
>
> On 7/13/2010 11:40 PM, Michael wrote:
> >
> > I see this at all of the professional conferences that we send people to
> > at work, and we often sponsor something. Has anyone considered or tried
> > to have sponsorships at CC?
> >
> > For example, sponsor the Friday Night Social for $1000 and get a big ad
> > in the program book and your logo plastered all over the social.
> >
> > Michael
>
> —
> —
> Betsy Marks Delaney
>
> http://www.hawkeswood.com/
>
>
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>
>
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Group: runacc Message: 2090 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 7/14/2010
Subject: Re: Sponsorships
We managed to arrange discounts with some local merchants (most
notably Thai/Exotic Silks).

We didn’t think of trying for more direct sponsorship until too late in
the game. If I were starting over, I’d have had my development chair on
board from the very beginning (3 years out). The lead time is the
killer; you need to get on the companies charitable radar early enough
in their business cycle that they can do something for you.

Kevin

 

Group: runacc Message: 2091 From: Charles Galway Date: 7/14/2010
Subject: Re: Sponsorships

Someone on our local CONduit convention said something similar — that businesses tend to allocate such promotional monies about once a year (based on their business cycle).

The problem I noticed with Costume-Con, is that nationally Costume-Con is a rather a small number of individuals, but locally, it’s a rather a small number of locals. Perhaps there may be a way of marketing sponsor promotional value, by targeting the total ICG, rather than just that one annual Costume-Con event(?) — or targeting the next 5 costume cons, (which may be an equivalent thing).

As already mentioned, I think we (CC-23 Utah) also got a pattern maker to send a guest, and of course, don’t wait until the last minute…

Charles

—– Original Message —–
From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Sponsorships

We managed to arrange discounts with some local merchants (most
notably Thai/Exotic Silks).

We didn’t think of trying for more direct sponsorship until too late in
the game. If I were starting over, I’d have had my development chair on
board from the very beginning (3 years out). The lead time is the
killer; you need to get on the companies charitable radar early enough
in their business cycle that they can do something for you.

Kevin

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Group: runacc Message: 2092 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 7/14/2010
Subject: Re: Sponsorships

Important point: Costume-Con does NOT equal the ICG. It is important
to not conflate the two when speaking to potential sponsors, for
numerous business and legal reasons.

Kevin

On 7/14/2010 1:18 PM, Charles Galway wrote:
>
>
> Someone on our local CONduit convention said something similar — that
> businesses tend to allocate such promotional monies about once a year
> (based on their business cycle).
>
> The problem I noticed with Costume-Con, is that nationally Costume-Con
> is a rather a small number of individuals, but locally, it’s a rather
> a small number of locals. Perhaps there may be a way of marketing
> sponsor promotional value, by targeting the total ICG, rather than
> just that one annual Costume-Con event(?) — or targeting the next 5
> costume cons, (which may be an equivalent thing).
>
> As already mentioned, I think we (CC-23 Utah) also got a pattern maker
> to send a guest, and of course, don’t wait until the last minute…
>
> Charles
>
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2093 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 7/14/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Exhibits
For the Exhibits, we tried to get local ethnic costumes, but the ethnic
dance groups were overly protective of their costumes.

The Doll Contest was run by Ann Catelli, who has done it numerous times.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2094 From: tinathebookworm Date: 7/14/2010
Subject: Re: Sponsorships

It was definitely CC-3. That was Byron’s and my first CC. The person from Simplicity did a wonderful demo on how to fine-tune the fit of commercial patterns. That was invaluable when, only a couple of weeks after the con, our daughter announced that all of the prom gowns available that year were disgusting (they were — all frilly and ruffly and in pastels and poorly-applied sequins — really sucky), and that I was to create something nice for her to wear in black or dark green.

The demo made all the difference. She attended her senior prom in a floor length skin-tight strapless black gown with a 6 foot hem, held up with nothing except boning and static cling (thoigh I wish I had known then about good boning, as opposed to the crappy plastic stuff). Marty, you may recall that one; I have a photo somewhere of you vamping with her at one of the Lastcons that were held at the Desmond here in Albany (the same place CC-7 was held).

What made the demo really helpful was that the person from Simplicity explained WHY one should do things a certain way for the best effect. That’s so much more effective than someone who just says “do it this way because I say so.”

Tina

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Betsy Delaney <aramintamd@…> wrote:
>
> A very long time ago, back when dinosaurs walked the earth and CC was
> still in single digits, Janet Wilson Anderson (I think I’m remembering
> this right) got sponsorships from Simplicity and/or Bernina, and they
> had a display at the con, offered prizes during the masquerades and more.
>
> I no longer recall the details, and all the paperwork now resides with
> Karen. My vague recollection is that this was CC3, but that’s really too
> long ago to be sure now.
>
> I arranged for Clotilde to “sponsor” us for CCXV, and we got a huge box
> of seam gauges to distribute to our members in return. (Had enough for
> every packet and 100 left over, IIRC.)
>
> Some of these bids are more successful than others…
>
> Cheers,
>
> Betsy

 

Group: runacc Message: 2095 From: Bruno Date: 7/14/2010
Subject: Re: Sponsorships

Elaine, not sure right now.

Michael

Quoting Elaine Mami <ecmami@hotmail.com>:

>
> Usually, upcoming CCs and CC bids sponsor something in the cin
> suite. This year 29 sponsored sunday Breakfast and 30 sponsored the
> Saturday night party. There is no reason that I know of why a
> future CC couldn’t sponsor something else. I was, in fact, about to
> ask you what you wanted to sponsor at CC30. As the next CC after
> 30, you get first choice.
>
> Elaine

 

Group: runacc Message: 2096 From: Bruno Date: 7/15/2010
Subject: Re: Sponsorships

Thanks for all the input. I didn’t know how things had been done.
Not afraid of doing something new. Hoping to have some new and
interesting things. Just don’t want to do something verboten.

Michael

Quoting Martin Gear <MartinGear@comcast.net>:

> Betsy has the right con. We were able to get Simplicity as a sponsor
> for CC-27 too (Best adaptation of a Simplicity pattern in the contests),
> but given the size of Costume Cons, it is difficult to get major
> corporations to spend money on us. Your best approach might be with
> local merchants. I believe that CC-25 did that.
>
> Marty
>
> Betsy Delaney wrote:
>>
>>
>> A very long time ago, back when dinosaurs walked the earth and CC was
>> still in single digits, Janet Wilson Anderson (I think I’m remembering
>> this right) got sponsorships from Simplicity and/or Bernina, and they
>> had a display at the con, offered prizes during the masquerades and more.
>>
>> I no longer recall the details, and all the paperwork now resides with
>> Karen. My vague recollection is that this was CC3, but that’s really too
>> long ago to be sure now.
>>
>> I arranged for Clotilde to “sponsor” us for CCXV, and we got a huge box
>> of seam gauges to distribute to our members in return. (Had enough for
>> every packet and 100 left over, IIRC.)
>>
>> Some of these bids are more successful than others…
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Betsy
>>
>> On 7/13/2010 11:40 PM, Michael wrote:
>> >
>> > I see this at all of the professional conferences that we send people to
>> > at work, and we often sponsor something. Has anyone considered or tried
>> > to have sponsorships at CC?
>> >
>> > For example, sponsor the Friday Night Social for $1000 and get a big ad
>> > in the program book and your logo plastered all over the social.
>> >
>> > Michael
>>
>> —
>> —
>> Betsy Marks Delaney
>>
>> http://www.hawkeswood.com/
>>
>>
>> ————————————————————————
>>
>>
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>> Checked by AVG – www.avg.com
>> Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3003 – Release Date:
>> 07/13/10 14:36:00
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>>
>
>
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>
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Subject: New file uploaded to runacc
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Group: runacc Message: 2098 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 7/15/2010
Subject: Re: Sponsorships

On 7/14/2010 11:10 AM, Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair wrote:

> The lead time is the
> killer; you need to get on the companies charitable radar early enough
> in their business cycle that they can do something for you.

To expand on this:

I did most of the solicitation for our World Fantasy consuite last year.
It was in October. Many of the food & bev producers we contacted
explained that they have a budget line item for donations, and when that
figure is reached, they stop donating. That meant when I got last-minute
donor suggestions in September, the folks I talked to had already run
out their donations budget (or had frozen it because of the crappy
economy and clearly defined bad sales figures for the previous quarters).

In some cases this may be complicated by companies running on a
non-calendar fiscal year. You need to start talking with folks at least
18 months out, so you know when to follow up with them to get a commitment.

Here’s the schtick…

Put together a nice letter on the organization’s letterhead. Explain
what the organization is and what its purpose is. Include the
information that your organization is a 501(c)3 tax-exempt corporation
and your TIN (Tax ID number) if that’s the case. It may still be
possible to get donations if you’re not recognized as tax-exempt by the
feds but have a qualifying tax-exempt purpose.

When soliciting local donors, emphasize that you want to showcase what
your region has to offer, but you need their help.

When soliciting donors with a national reach, emphasize the value of
your membership to them.

Where appropriate (namely stuff you’re going to have to buy anyway if
it’s not donated), don’t ignore the value of discounts. Sometimes you’ll
get more value in discounted pricing on a large volume than a small
donation.

Build personal relationships with prospective donors and their agents.
This is invaluable. If you’re sincerely enthusiastic about a vendor and
their product, they’ll trust you to showcase their donations well.

For CC26 we really didn’t do this. I’m not even going to say “well.” We
got a few good discounts from some established connections. For WFC2009
we built new connections. We got some donations and a lot of
direct/wholesale pricing that really stretched our consuite budget.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 2099 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 7/15/2010
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to runacc

Thanks, Andy!!!!

Betsy

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Group: runacc Message: 2100 From: Bruno Date: 7/20/2010
Subject: what is CC?
My co-chair for CC31 looked at the website and the first thing she
asked was, “where are the pictures of costumes?” She doesn’t know CC,
but she is a veteran con chair. My response was that I don’t think
I’ve ever seen costume pictures on a CC website.

That got me to thinking . . . we want new blood, but if they’ve never
been, there’s nothing to really show them why. We can send them to
the archives, or the connections website, but those are mostly just
masquerade photos.

So, I’m thinking of putting together group of pages for “What is CC?”
with pictures that answer the following statements.

CC is learning – pictures of programming
CC is socializing
CC is friendly competition
CC is costumes

I’m really going to have to search my old CC photos. I don’t take
nearly as many as I used to.

Michael

 

 

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Group: runacc Message: 2017 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/3/2010
Subject: Re: Financial reports
Group: runacc Message: 2018 From: Margie Date: 6/4/2010
Subject: Re: Financial reports
Group: runacc Message: 2019 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/4/2010
Subject: Re: Financial reports
Group: runacc Message: 2020 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/5/2010
Subject: CC28 Report – before the con
Group: runacc Message: 2021 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/5/2010
Subject: Re: Financial reports
Group: runacc Message: 2022 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/9/2010
Subject: CC28 report – The Hotel
Group: runacc Message: 2023 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/9/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – The Hotel
Group: runacc Message: 2024 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/9/2010
Subject: CC28 report – Con Suite
Group: runacc Message: 2025 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/10/2010
Subject: CC28 report – Programming
Group: runacc Message: 2026 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/10/2010
Subject: CC28 report – Dealers
Group: runacc Message: 2027 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/10/2010
Subject: CC28 report – Official Photography
Group: runacc Message: 2028 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/11/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Official Photography – correction
Group: runacc Message: 2029 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/11/2010
Subject: CC28 report – Exhibits
Group: runacc Message: 2030 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/11/2010
Subject: CC28 report – Friday events
Group: runacc Message: 2031 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/17/2010
Subject: CC28 report – SF & F masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 2032 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 6/17/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – SF & F masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 2033 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 6/17/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – SF & F masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 2034 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 6/17/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – SF & F masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 2035 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/17/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – SF & F masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 2036 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 6/17/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – SF & F masquerade
Group: runacc Message: 2037 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/17/2010
Subject: CC28 reviews
Group: runacc Message: 2038 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – SF & F masquerade awards
Group: runacc Message: 2039 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: CC28 report – LAA — FOR THIS LIST ONLY
Group: runacc Message: 2040 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – LAA — FOR THIS LIST ONLY
Group: runacc Message: 2041 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – LAA — FOR THIS LIST ONLY
Group: runacc Message: 2042 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – LAA — FOR THIS LIST ONLY
Group: runacc Message: 2043 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – LAA — FOR THIS LIST ONLY
Group: runacc Message: 2044 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – LAA — FOR THIS LIST ONLY
Group: runacc Message: 2045 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – LAA — FOR THIS LIST ONLY
Group: runacc Message: 2046 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – LAA — FOR THIS LIST ONLY
Group: runacc Message: 2047 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – LAA — FOR THIS LIST ONLY
Group: runacc Message: 2048 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – LAA — FOR THIS LIST ONLY
Group: runacc Message: 2049 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: CC28 report – FFS
Group: runacc Message: 2050 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: CC28 report – Outside the con

 


 

Group: runacc Message: 2001 From: Dora Buck Date: 4/3/2010
Subject: Re: Info for future CCs
I have the member list from cc26 so it was passed on.

Dora

________________________________
From: Nora & Bruce Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 6:31:25 PM
Subject: [runacc] Info for future CCs

At CC25 we collected a list of attendees who wanted to receive information
on Future CCs which we then passed on to the seated committees at the time
(CC26, CC27 & CC28).
I know I have a copy of it stored on a disk with other CC25 info but what
did those committees do with it?
Have they added any to it? Will it get forwarded to CC29, CC30, etc.?

Nora

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Group: runacc Message: 2002 From: Elaine Mami Date: 4/3/2010
Subject: Re: Info for future CCs
Could you pass it along to us, please? Or just bring it to CC28.

Thanks,

Elaine

Nil significat nisi oscillat!

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: dfaybuck@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 17:55:10 -0700
Subject: Re: [runacc] Info for future CCs

I have the member list from cc26 so it was passed on.

Dora

________________________________
From: Nora & Bruce Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 6:31:25 PM
Subject: [runacc] Info for future CCs

At CC25 we collected a list of attendees who wanted to receive information
on Future CCs which we then passed on to the seated committees at the time
(CC26, CC27 & CC28).
I know I have a copy of it stored on a disk with other CC25 info but what
did those committees do with it?
Have they added any to it? Will it get forwarded to CC29, CC30, etc.?

Nora

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Group: runacc Message: 2003 From: Margie Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: Re: Info for future CCs

“Bring it along” implies a non-digital version… I’d *way* prefer something electronic (for CC30). If you could send it to Elaine and I, I can put it to use! 🙂

Thanks!

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Mami <ecmami@…> wrote:
>
>
> Could you pass it along to us, please? Or just bring it to CC28.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Elaine
>
> Nil significat nisi oscillat!
>
>
>
>
>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> From: dfaybuck@…
> Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 17:55:10 -0700
> Subject: Re: [runacc] Info for future CCs
>
>
>
>
>
> I have the member list from cc26 so it was passed on.
>
> Dora
>
> ________________________________
> From: Nora & Bruce Mai <casamai@…>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 6:31:25 PM
> Subject: [runacc] Info for future CCs
>
>
> At CC25 we collected a list of attendees who wanted to receive information
> on Future CCs which we then passed on to the seated committees at the time
> (CC26, CC27 & CC28).
> I know I have a copy of it stored on a disk with other CC25 info but what
> did those committees do with it?
> Have they added any to it? Will it get forwarded to CC29, CC30, etc.?
>
> Nora
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
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Group: runacc Message: 2004 From: Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair Date: 4/4/2010
Subject: Re: Info for future CCs

I’ve emailed my CC26 pass-along names list to Elaine.

Kevin

Margie wrote:

>
>
> “Bring it along” implies a non-digital version… I’d *way* prefer
> something electronic (for CC30). If you could send it to Elaine and I,
> I can put it to use! 🙂
>
> Thanks!
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2005 From: Dora Buck Date: 4/5/2010
Subject: Re: Info for future CCs

Thanks Kevin

________________________________
From: “Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair” <chair@cc26.org>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, April 4, 2010 1:38:38 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: Info for future CCs

I’ve emailed my CC26 pass-along names list to Elaine.

Kevin

Margie wrote:

>
>
> “Bring it along” implies a non-digital version… I’d *way* prefer
> something electronic (for CC30). If you could send it to Elaine and I,
> I can put it to use! 🙂
>
> Thanks!
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2006 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 4/5/2010
Subject: Re: Info for future CCs

Good! Thanks Kevin!
Cause while I’d be willing to look for the orginal the idea was to add to the list at each CC & build a list for the future. I’m sure Kevin’s list from CC26 has lots of additions to our starter list.

Nora

— On Sun, 4/4/10, Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair <chair@cc26.org> wrote:

From: Kevin Roche, Costume-Con 26 Chair <chair@cc26.org>
Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: Info for future CCs
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, April 4, 2010, 12:38 PM

I’ve emailed my CC26 pass-along names list to Elaine.

Kevin

Margie wrote:
>
>
> “Bring it along” implies a non-digital version… I’d *way* prefer
> something electronic (for CC30). If you could send it to Elaine and I,
> I can put it to use! 🙂
>
> Thanks!
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2007 From: Margie Date: 4/5/2010
Subject: Financial reports
We’ve received financial info from CC25, and a working budget from CC29… would any other previous CC’s have financial reports they could share? Thanks!

 

Group: runacc Message: 2008 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 4/5/2010
Subject: Re: Financial reports

Well, (red-faced admission) we’re still processing our staff refunds due
to our CFO also being the treasurer for at least 3 other conventions +
her dealing with a major case of life (family health issues) over the
last 2 years.

I’ll see if I can get the basic results for you; we came out healthily
in the black (which is why we’re able to do those refunds, and why we’ve
had pass-along funds for recent CCs.).

Kevin

Margie wrote:

>
>
> We’ve received financial info from CC25, and a working budget from
> CC29… would any other previous CC’s have financial reports they
> could share? Thanks!
>
>
> Reply to <mailto:marg1066@gmail.com?subject=Financial%20reports>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2009 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 4/6/2010
Subject: Re: Financial reports

Refunds & pass-alongs are always nice. We were lucky enough to be able to do
both for CC16 & CC25.

Nora

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 1:47 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Financial reports

Well, (red-faced admission) we’re still processing our staff refunds due
to our CFO also being the treasurer for at least 3 other conventions +
her dealing with a major case of life (family health issues) over the
last 2 years.

I’ll see if I can get the basic results for you; we came out healthily
in the black (which is why we’re able to do those refunds, and why we’ve
had pass-along funds for recent CCs.).

Kevin

Margie wrote:

>
>
> We’ve received financial info from CC25, and a working budget from
> CC29… would any other previous CC’s have financial reports they
> could share? Thanks!
>
>
> Reply to <mailto:marg1066@gmail.com?subject=Financial%20reports>

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Group: runacc Message: 2010 From: Martin Gear Date: 4/13/2010
Subject: Re: [CostumeCon] side trips?

OK, I’m seeing all sorts of information about side trips, things to do
while in Milwaukee, what’s outside the hotel etc. but what I’m not
seeing is any of the information about what Costume Cons are supposed to
be all about such as: the size and layout of the stage; the type and
level of tech that will be provided; the size and layout of the green
room; timing for the various events including tech rehearsals; schedule
of panels/classes etc. Is there going to be an actual Costume Con or is
this just a promo for neat things to do in Milwaukee?

Marty

CC2010Milw@cs.com wrote:

>
>
> In a message dated 4/12/2010 5:22:44 PM Central Daylight Time,
> jeanine@woollycat.net writes:
>> Is a trip being planned to go to American Science Surplus?
>>
>>
>
> Not at this point, but it is maybe 15 minutes from the hotel and an
> easy drive. It would be a fun place to go to Friday morning while the
> ICG meetings are going on.
> Henry W. Osier
> Chairman, Costume-Con 28
> May 7 to May 10, 2010 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin
> www.CC28.org
> Look for our fan page on Facebook!
> And on Twitter: CostumeCon28
> Got questions?
> Join the CostumeCon Yahoo group!
>
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Group: runacc Message: 2011 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 4/13/2010
Subject: Re: [CostumeCon] side trips?
Layout and Schedule should be posted within the next couple of days. A
preliminary schedule is up now on the website.

Henry Osier
Chairman, CC28

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Group: runacc Message: 2012 From: Martin Gear Date: 4/13/2010
Subject: Re: [CostumeCon] side trips?

To anyone considering running a future Costume Con –

This is the kind of information that should be available and published
on the final day of the previous Costume Con, not less than a month
before the convention! If you have done your job properly, you should
know what size stage you are going to be able to provide, and have at
least a rough idea of what kind of tech you will have available, and the
days and times for the mandatory events.

NolaCon taught me that if I want to see a particular city, I should plan
a vacation to that city, not choose a convention on the basis of what
there is to do in that city. If the convention is run properly, I
probably won’t have any time during the convention to see the city’s
attractions, and if the con isn’t run properly then why did I waste my
money on a membership?

Yes, I feel pretty strongly about this! I have chaired or been a major
committee member of at least 6 Costume Cons and an equal number of
WorldCons.

Marty

osierhenry@cs.com wrote:

>
>
> Layout and Schedule should be posted within the next couple of days. A
> preliminary schedule is up now on the website.
>
> Henry Osier
> Chairman, CC28
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2013 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 4/19/2010
Subject: CC28 Stage
Henry has asked me to announce the stage dimensions for all CC28 events.

The stage will be 12 feet deep by 24 feet wide. Entry and/or exit
will be from the two sides. Unfortunately, there will not be an area
on the stage for staging entries. There will be a staging area at the
base of the stairs.

If you have any questions, please direct them to Henry so he can
check them out.

Pierre

“Those Who Fail to Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly –
Why They Are Simply Doomed.”

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C. Y. 4971

Andromeda

 

Group: runacc Message: 2014 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 5/16/2010
Subject: CC28 report in progress
First draft is done. It will be posted to the SLCG Yahoo group for
additional comments before being packaged up and posted here, warts and all.
Probably be about a week or so.

Bruce

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Group: runacc Message: 2015 From: Bruno Date: 5/21/2010
Subject: CC31 Your Weekly Facebook Page Update
CC31 Facebook activity since 5/13/10.

Here is this week’s summary for the Facebook Page: Costume-Con 31 —
Denver, CO

+57 Fans this week (57 total Fans)
10 Wall Posts, Comments, and Likes this week (0 last week)
168 visits to your page this week(2 visits last week)

Michael

 

Group: runacc Message: 2016 From: Margie Date: 6/3/2010
Subject: Re: Financial reports

Hi again, it’s been a couple of months, and CC28 has come and gone, so I thought I would inquire again to see if any CC committee has financial reports they could share — it would help us a great deal in setting up our budget!

Thanks!

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Margie” <marg1066@…> wrote:
>
> We’ve received financial info from CC25, and a working budget from CC29… would any other previous CC’s have financial reports they could share? Thanks!
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2017 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/3/2010
Subject: Re: Financial reports

Looked in all the basic places & can’t find the master disk of info for
CC25. I’m sure it will turn up & when it does I’ll be happy to send it
along.
But since you have info from more recent CCs, you should be fine.

Nora

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Margie
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 10:59 AM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [runacc] Re: Financial reports

Hi again, it’s been a couple of months, and CC28 has come and gone, so I
thought I would inquire again to see if any CC committee has financial
reports they could share — it would help us a great deal in setting up our
budget!

Thanks!

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Margie” <marg1066@…> wrote:
>
> We’ve received financial info from CC25, and a working budget from CC29…
would any other previous CC’s have financial reports they could share?
Thanks!
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2018 From: Margie Date: 6/4/2010
Subject: Re: Financial reports

I’m definitely still looking for info. To my knowledge, all I have is your (CC25’s) mostly-complete report, and the projected budget for CC29 (which is not the same thing as a finished convention’s financial report). Perhaps Elaine has been sent something else? I will check.

Henry’s offered info from 28, and when 26 finishes up, I think Kevin will send that. I’ll ask Karen about 27, to see if she or anyone can provide that. Our treasurer is very interested in having as much info as possible to work from.

And I’m sure we’ll have good stuff compiled to pass along to CC31 and on! 🙂

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Nora & Bruce Mai” <casamai@…> wrote:
>
> Looked in all the basic places & can’t find the master disk of info for
> CC25. I’m sure it will turn up & when it does I’ll be happy to send it
> along.
> But since you have info from more recent CCs, you should be fine.
>
> Nora
>
> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Margie
> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 10:59 AM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [runacc] Re: Financial reports
>
> Hi again, it’s been a couple of months, and CC28 has come and gone, so I
> thought I would inquire again to see if any CC committee has financial
> reports they could share — it would help us a great deal in setting up our
> budget!
>
> Thanks!
>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Margie” <marg1066@> wrote:
> >
> > We’ve received financial info from CC25, and a working budget from CC29…
> would any other previous CC’s have financial reports they could share?
> Thanks!
> >
>
>
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo! Groups
> Links
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2019 From: Elaine Mami Date: 6/4/2010
Subject: Re: Financial reports

Marg,

I have not received anything else.

Ask Ricky or Marty about CC27. That was not Karen’s position, and she doesn’t have that paperwork.

Elaine

Nil significat nisi oscillat!

I’m definitely still looking for info. To my knowledge, all I have is your (CC25’s) mostly-complete report, and the projected budget for CC29 (which is not the same thing as a finished convention’s financial report). Perhaps Elaine has been sent something else? I will check.

Henry’s offered info from 28, and when 26 finishes up, I think Kevin will send that. I’ll ask Karen about 27, to see if she or anyone can provide that. Our treasurer is very interested in having as much info as possible to work from.

And I’m sure we’ll have good stuff compiled to pass along to CC31 and on! 🙂

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Nora & Bruce Mai” <casamai@…> wrote:
>
> Looked in all the basic places & can’t find the master disk of info for
> CC25. I’m sure it will turn up & when it does I’ll be happy to send it
> along.
> But since you have info from more recent CCs, you should be fine.
>
> Nora
>
> —–Original Message—–
> From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Margie
> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 10:59 AM
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [runacc] Re: Financial reports
>
> Hi again, it’s been a couple of months, and CC28 has come and gone, so I
> thought I would inquire again to see if any CC committee has financial
> reports they could share — it would help us a great deal in setting up our
> budget!
>
> Thanks!
>
> — In runacc@yahoogroups.com, “Margie” <marg1066@> wrote:
> >
> > We’ve received financial info from CC25, and a working budget from CC29…
> would any other previous CC’s have financial reports they could share?
> Thanks!
> >
>
>
>
>
> ————————————
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/Yahoo! Groups
> Links
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2020 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/5/2010
Subject: CC28 Report – before the con
I meant to get this out sooner, but just didn’t get to it as soon as I
hoped. Anyway, I hope this report will be useful for following CC people.

Time once again for the annual SLCG review of Costume-Con. It’s the normal
disclaimers – the opinions are those of the attending SLUTs – your mileage
may vary. They are based on what was experienced as attendees, as well as
what happened
behind the scenes on the CC28 Staff List.

If there was one thing that was a particular problem, it was with
communication. It was poor between the concom and the attendees, concom and
staff – apparently, even concom and the hotel. Let’s start with the
Progress Report.

Only one Progress Report was ever issued. There should have been at least
one more, closer to the convention. There
should not be a complete reliance on a website to distribute information.
Some information was never even posted on the Costume-Con Yahoo group. Not
only is this a disservice to the convention attendees, it hurts the con
itself by keeping them in the dark. There were important convention
updates attendees should have known that were only posted on the CC28 Staff
list: apparently, there was an expectation that the Staff should get the
word out on their own. An offer was made to “shill” for the con on various
forums, listgroups, etc. – all the Milwaukee-area con staff had to do was
post whatever new information was known to the Staff list. This offer was
pretty much ignored.

Even direct questions on the Staff list about programming, the stage, and
the Folio were either
ignored, took too long, or the “answer” had nothing to do with the
question. Or, the answers seemed evasive. If you don’t know the
answer, at least admit it. Many people complained about that there seemed
to be more information about activities un-related to the convention than
the convention itself.

The website was updated infrequently, until the convention date drew
considerably nearer, when a new staffer took over. Some people complained
that the clever spy-themed navigation buttons were confusing. There was
never a map to the hotel posted – you had to go to the hotel website to get
directions. That should have been in a PR, along with stage info, etc. (the
latter is covered in a later part of the review).

The situation with the Fashion Folio was another huge complaint. The first
director was almost completely uncommunicative. We understand there were
Life issues, but there was no excuse for the FFF Director procrastinating as
long as they did. So much time went by without it being judged or published
that it had a direct effect on the number of entries in the Future Fashion
Show. Numerous inquiries for a status report went unanswered for months.
There were vague promises of follow up, but not much came of them. It was
only learned at the end of December that judging had not been completed.
The Director should have been replaced before this point. Instead, it
didn’t happen for another month. Had Nora not volunteered to step in to
edit and distribute it in e-form, it might not have gotten out even 2 months
before the convention.

The one positive thing that came out of this was that a good number of
convention members were willing to accept a pdf version of the Folio in
order to receive
it sooner, while waiting to get their printed copy at the convention.
However, we have no info on whether everyone actually DID get them (we have
at least one member who never did get their printed version). For the
future, it might be worth exploring by con committees to offer a
discount for an email copy first and picking up the Folio at the con. This
could potentially save a lot of money (postage) on the biggest expense
prior to the event.

Next: The Hotel

 

Group: runacc Message: 2021 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/5/2010
Subject: Re: Financial reports
The books for CC28 should be done by the end of this month.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2022 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/9/2010
Subject: CC28 report – The Hotel
While the hotel made a nice setting for the theme of the con, the atmosphere
did not justify the costs to stay there. We’ve been proponents of
suburban/industrial park hotels ever since CC16 – the room nights cost less

and the parking is free. (The only drawback might be fewer places to eat
within walking distance, but not always). We thought the lesson was learned
for CC21. Adding to the irritation was the fact that the water park in the
hotel was not included in the room nights because that would’ve added even
more cost. This makes two years in a row with no pool or hot tub.

On the plus side, the hotel staff was friendly and it had three restaurants.

One comment was made that the Café service was not very good, but everyone

had a positive one for the Irish pub. The elevators all worked and were

very fast.

The rooms, themselves, were designed oddly – possibly as a result of
updates. The towel racks were in the tub(?), the sink jutted out so much
that one couldn’t get very close to the mirror (important for makeup,
shaving, etc.) and the beds had the ugliest headboards imaginable. Closet
space differed from room to room – some were very deep, while others were

not big enough. The dressers only had two drawers, and they were very

shallow. There were some isolated complaints about room problems – one had
a thermostat problem, and another room had a smoke detector that wouldn’t
stop beeping, so the occupants had to move because the hotel staff had no
simple solution.

And what was up with the bottles of water in them, where you

would be charged $4 for drinking one?

Parking cost $12 a day. The only positive things said were at least the
covered and attached garage, allowed people to stay dry while loading and
unloading vehicle (it rained on the way home).

One last quote: “The parking garage – does everybody in Milwaukee drive like
a psycho or just the people in that garage? I think 50 mph is kind of fast
inside & they loved to use their horns.”

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Group: runacc Message: 2023 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/9/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – The Hotel

The quality of breakfast in the Cafe was mediocre at best. I did not have a positive word for the Pub.

While I can sympathize with those who missed a pool, I did not.

I’ve seen bottled water labeled at a lot more than $4 each at some places I’ve stayed. Bottles of water in hotel rooms are like mini-bars in hotel rooms; it is best to ignore their existence.

Byron

On Jun 9, 2010, at 7:16 AM, Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:

> While the hotel made a nice setting for the theme of the con, the atmosphere
> did not justify the costs to stay there. We�ve been proponents of
> suburban/industrial park hotels ever since CC16 � the room nights cost less
>
> and the parking is free. (The only drawback might be fewer places to eat
> within walking distance, but not always). We thought the lesson was learned
> for CC21. Adding to the irritation was the fact that the water park in the
> hotel was not included in the room nights because that would�ve added even
> more cost. This makes two years in a row with no pool or hot tub.
>
> On the plus side, the hotel staff was friendly and it had three restaurants.
>
> One comment was made that the Caf� service was not very good, but everyone
>
> had a positive one for the Irish pub. The elevators all worked and were
>
> very fast.
>
> The rooms, themselves, were designed oddly � possibly as a result of
> updates. The towel racks were in the tub(?), the sink jutted out so much
> that one couldn�t get very close to the mirror (important for makeup,
> shaving, etc.) and the beds had the ugliest headboards imaginable. Closet
> space differed from room to room � some were very deep, while others were
>
> not big enough. The dressers only had two drawers, and they were very
>
> shallow. There were some isolated complaints about room problems � one had
> a thermostat problem, and another room had a smoke detector that wouldn�t
> stop beeping, so the occupants had to move because the hotel staff had no
> simple solution.
>
> And what was up with the bottles of water in them, where you
>
> would be charged $4 for drinking one?
>
> Parking cost $12 a day. The only positive things said were at least the
> covered and attached garage, allowed people to stay dry while loading and
> unloading vehicle (it rained on the way home).
>
> One last quote: �The parking garage – does everybody in Milwaukee drive like
> a psycho or just the people in that garage? I think 50 mph is kind of fast
> inside & they loved to use their horns.�
>
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>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2024 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/9/2010
Subject: CC28 report – Con Suite
We were glad to see the Con Suite open on Thursday night, although not all
the membership packet pieces were ready to be distributed by the time people
were arriving in the evening. The size of the suite was adequate for
handling the expected crowds. The hours for the con suite during the
weekend were reasonable, but it was understaffed. The person did a good job
of stocking supplies with what they had, but some people said there wasn’t
enough
variety.

If it hadn’t been for the future CC parties, the fare would have
been rather dull. The kringle in the mornings did make it unnecessary to go
out for breakfast, which was nice.

 

Group: runacc Message: 2025 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/10/2010
Subject: CC28 report – Programming
A call for programming occurred only a month or two before the convention.
But there didn’t seem to be much effort
put into seeking out more ideas or people with their own panels. There
were a few suggestions thrown out there, and then people were invited to
volunteer to be on them.

Several people said there were fewer panels than they would have liked, but
the ones scheduled
were fairly balanced in subject matter (i.e. historical, fantasy,
ICG info, fashion, etc.). A lack of very many workshops was observed.
The short notice may’ve contributed to that.

It could be argued that many panels benefitted from the limited tracks,
because most were very well-attended. But people, ultimately, prefer more
choices. So, it was a tradeoff. It was suggested that Monday might be a
good time to repeat a panel, but this all depends on who is staying over.

The biggest issue, though, was the decision not to have ANY programming
(other than the Archives Road Show) on Monday. The dates of the convention
included Monday, the 10th of May. That implied some official convention
activities. Yet, when you look at the Programming website page, no mention
of Monday was made. It was learned through the CC28 Staff list, but was
never
officially announced elsewhere, that the Programming Director had been
informed by the
Con Chair that no meeting space was being planned for that day – to save
expenses (the Archives show would be moved to the Con Chair’s suite – more
on that later). Except for the SLCG organizing the bowling trip, and the
Dead Dog Party, there was nothing else going on. More than one person felt
this amounted to a “bait and switch” to keep a few room nights. Another way
to put it was, they paid for a 4 day con, and got only three.

Most people appreciated the lunch and dinner breaks (even if they might
have been a tad long), but the pocket schedule was hard to follow because of
the 10 minute intervals between each panel. There are pros and cons to
these intervals: people like the “grace periods” between panels, but this
also eats up time that could be used to squeeze in some more programming.

At least one panelist complained that there wasn’t a very good record of who
needed A/V equipment. Fortunately, the son of the Registering Dept head
tried to pick up the slack. But he spent some time having to track down the
con chair and the Programming head to ask questions.

The “Con Virgins” panel was very well attended – it should be a regular
feature at all future CCs.

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Group: runacc Message: 2026 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/10/2010
Subject: CC28 report – Dealers
Some people felt it was smallish and limited in scope, but given the size of
the convention, it wasn’t surprising. Most of our people felt the dealers
weren’t particularly exciting, and thus didn’t buy much. Worst of all
there were no book dealers.

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Group: runacc Message: 2027 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/10/2010
Subject: CC28 report – Official Photography
The con chair asked for opinions on photographer for the convention – an
opinion was given that the one they chose was on the expensive side, and the
idea that the CD photo Folio of the entire convention being only web-quality

rubbed many the wrong way. We opted to just pool all our photos together

from several cameras and distribute a set to all the SLCG photographers.

Beyond that, while he didn’t often actively seek out people in the halls, he
was fairly diligent and meticulous about photographing all the competition
costumes and fashion shows.

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Group: runacc Message: 2028 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/11/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – Official Photography – correction
The photographer’s wife actually did go looking for people, so that’s not
accurate. Obviously, he preferred to stay anchored to one spot, given the
expensive equipment he used.

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Beyond that, while he didn’t often actively seek out people in the halls, he
was fairly diligent and meticulous about photographing all the competition
costumes and fashion shows.

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Group: runacc Message: 2029 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/11/2010
Subject: CC28 report – Exhibits
Practically non-existent, and the room was hard to find. The 11 or so
costumes on display were all historical in nature, with a simple placard
stating what era they represented: nothing about who they were made by,
where they might have appeared, etc. None of them were competition pieces
(or at least, there was no indication to that effect). It appears very
little effort was made – not sure if that was a result of a staff problem,
or what.

The doll exhibit wasn’t much better. It was also small and unfocused.

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Group: runacc Message: 2030 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/11/2010
Subject: CC28 report – Friday events
Friday: The ICG meeting was reasonably uneventful. It was odd that a break
was taken after an hour – usually, the meeting goes straight through until
the end.

The Friday Night Social went off okay. The Crystal Ballroom was a pretty
setting for the festivities. Refreshments in the middle of the room seemed
oddly placed, and they ran out after only an hour – several people
complained

about that. This is not a good place to save money. There were no
toothpicks on the table, which meant that people had to pick up the

hors d’�uvres by hand – possible sanitary issues. Water was hard to
find, since

all there was only a cash bar outside the room. Some people would have

preferred dance music for atmosphere, but this was a spy convention, after

all, so movie music probably was the more appropriate.

There was a raffle for several door prizes, which people seemed to like, but

it pretty much put a stop to socializing until it was over. This should
have taken place at some other time.

Planning for the Single Pattern Show at the convention was haphazard at
best. No information had been provided to the Single Pattern Show Director
as to where it would take place until she arrived – this would have been
useful to know before the convention. Also, she was not informed beforehand
that the official photographer would arrive too late to take pictures of the

contestants. There was no stage set up for the show until the Director

demanded one, so that the contestants could be seen.

Having the Single Pattern Show during the social seemed to work okay, but
the stage that was eventually set up was barely adequate,

size-wise. Apparently, there was no consideration given to the raffle

items on tables – located on the stage – being in the way of the Single
Pattern entrants. Those had to be moved out of the way. Again – poor
planning.

The show itself was small – only 7 entries. This was mostly attributed to
the difficulty of the patterns chosen. (Note: at other CCs, if the pattern
was too easy or unappealing, there was a similar problem. But, you can
only do the Tibetan Panel Coat so many times.) In any case, the quality of
the entries were very good.

The Video Masquerade was supposed to be concurrent with the Social and the
Single Pattern, and fortunately, did not conflict. There were supposedly 4
entries � no one in our group went to see them, but we heard they were very
good.

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Group: runacc Message: 2031 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/17/2010
Subject: CC28 report – SF & F masquerade
Communications about this event were not good, leading up all the way up to
the masquerade. Many people had questions, but answers weren’t forthcoming
until roughly a month before the convention. We got some bad vibes about
this – first,

the stage was going to be one of the smallest on record – 12′ x 24′. And,
it sounded like there would be no wings for concealing entries,

but that turned out not to be true. Nowhere was it mentioned as to who was

the MC or who the tech crew was.

Upon arrival, we found out masquerade entry forms had to be in by 6 pm,
Friday.

Signing up for tech rehearsal was normal, but having to sign up for
Workmanship judging was not. A couple of us missed this signup sheet,
because we weren’t looking for it. Fortunately, we managed to get worked in
later, but it was a point of consternation for a while until that was sorted
out.

Pipe and drape did not arrive until Saturday. This could have been a
serious issue with tech rehearsals the same day, if something went wrong.

As it turned out, it didn’t interfere. The stage design with the minimal
wings were last minute additions on site (mind you, people had been asking
the concom about this before the convention, but got no real answers). We
had at least one complaint that the stage entry options were too limited.
Given that no one apparently knew what the actual options were until the day
of the masquerade, this is not surprising. By the way, the pipe and drape
material used was not the highest quality – any light behind it shined
through fairly readily, which was distracting with certain entries.

Originally, tech crew was almost negligible. Fortunately, our community is

good at pitching in – many people were drafted on site. The tech

rehearsals, themselves, ran relatively smoothly. Interestingly, there was a
section of time blocked in the afternoon where no one was scheduled – it
allowed a slop factor, in case of delays. Pretty smart, actually.

About the show itself. Given the size of the convention, the fact that
there were 27 entries was pretty good. It was only learned Friday who was
the MC, but fortunately, the person who was drafted was well-experienced..
The show was well paced – very few delays. Overall the quality of the
masquerade was very high. There were at least 3 instances of fairly serious
soundtrack tech errors. More than one person’s presentation was diminished
by that. One entrant refused a re-do, which was too bad, since he was a
Novice. The crew would have been better served if they’d had some simple
radio communications so that some of the problems (including the LAA) could
have been possibly handled better.

The Green Room was too small – many people had large bulky costumes, so this
made things difficult for getting set up to go on stage. Perhaps it was the
only close room of size near the ballroom, but it was still crowded. From
one person in our discussion, we were given the impression that the MD may
not have taken the time to show the backstage staff the rooms they were to
work with. In the couple of hours before the masquerade, the workmanship
judge had established themselves at one of the 8 foot tables well into the
room space where dens were to be set up. The judge didn’t want to move
because they believed (perhaps mistakenly) that they would need all that
space for documentation – not realizing most SF & F masqs usually only have
a few recreations that provide documents. Eventually, the judge did move
into Official Photography, because it was just too cramped with them in the
Green Room. Later, it was discovered there were some other small rooms
that could have been used to alleviate some of the crowdedness,

Awards:

Here’s the breakdown:

SFF – 27 Entries – 19 with awards, 9 without (70%)

Divisions: 12 Masters, 7 Journeymen, 6 Novices

Awards: 6 Workmanship, 16 Presentation, 5 Chapters; total: 27 awards

The announcements of the awards was jumbled and confusing. Workmanship and
Presentation awards were mixed together, and it wasn’t always clear who got
what.

Looking over the stats, the most glaring detail was how few workmanship
awards were given. Out of 27 entries, there were only 6? Even though the
judge saw “outstanding examples of the costumers craft up close”? If that’s
the case, then they did not follow the maxim “Excellence Deserves

Recognition”.

Worse, the person performing that duty was witnessed breaching several
judges ethics with just one entrant (they didn’t attend the panel, BTW).
Among these were talking more about themselves than judging (thus wasting
some of the allotted time to actually inspect), breaking that person’s prop
(accidentally, but they didn’t ask to handle it first), and then saying some
inappropriate things to them later, in the Con Suite(!). They were also
witnessed talking about another entry to people who weren’t in that entry.

After the convention, they posted on Facebook that they hoped to record a
“judges commentary track” for the convention DVDs by Eric Cannon, which
could be available by download. This is, in our opinion, inappropriate.

When objections were raised, the judge defended the idea by saying “This is
the first negative feedback I received about the idea. The commentary would
basically be extra added info from the documentation and workmanship that
members of the audience did not get to see up close. Info … See More like
the people who hand-carved their fabric stamps, who made their own hoops,
hand-punched their own prosthetic hair, or an explanation that Gypsy’s
outfit was based on light refracting through sugar crystals. It would be
geared strictly to allow people to better appreciate the outstanding work
that was done. We also talked about the idea of giving the contestants an
opportunity to display their documentation the day after a competition – so
that people could really appreciate the work done. So much goes on that just
never gets seen from stage distance”.

While the intentions are good, permission must be given for any of that.

Repeating – there were only 6 – Workmanship – Awards.

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Group: runacc Message: 2032 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 6/17/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – SF & F masquerade

Just a couple of comments by way of clarification…

Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:

>
>
> the stage was going to be one of the smallest on record – 12′ x 24′. And,
> it sounded like there would be no wings for concealing entries,
> but that turned out not to be true. Nowhere was it mentioned as to who was
>
> the MC or who the tech crew was.
>

I was invited to MC about 3 weeks before the convention. There had been
another invitee,
but he had to cancel late in the game. Don’t know why it wasn’t announced.

>
>
> Pipe and drape did not arrive until Saturday. This could have been a
> serious issue with tech rehearsals the same day, if something went wrong.
>
> As it turned out, it didn’t interfere. The stage design with the minimal
> wings were last minute additions on site (mind you, people had been asking
> the concom about this before the convention, but got no real answers). We
> had at least one complaint that the stage entry options were too limited.
>

I figured out how to reconfigure the pipe and drape during tech
rehearsal to create the
small wing areas we did have, after watching a couple of entries that
simply were not going
to work unless we could preload them up the steps. Fortunately, the
hardware proved
to have both telescoping uprights and crossbars; failing that I was
prepared to dust off my
wilderness engineering skills and lash up crossbars for extra drape.

>
> It was only learned Friday who was
> the MC, but fortunately, the person who was drafted was well-experienced.
>

I’m glad it came across this way; while I have plenty of stage speaking
experience,
this is only the second full-on masquerade I’ve MC’d.

>
> .The announcements of the awards was jumbled and confusing.
> Workmanship and
> Presentation awards were mixed together, and it wasn’t always clear
> who got what.
>

Announcing the workmanship and presentation awards together for each
division (as opposed
to doing workmanship awards for all divisions and then presentation for
all divisions) is
a practice that a number of us who were involved in the revision of the
fairness guidelines and also
judge/mc have been encouraging, as it makes it plainer to the audience
that workmanship awards
are not “second class” awards.
It also means that all the Best in Show awards are presented in a block
together.
That is not, however, an excuse for fuzziness in announcing the actual
awards.

Kevin

 

Group: runacc Message: 2033 From: Aurora Celeste Date: 6/17/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – SF & F masquerade

On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair <
chair@cc26.org> wrote:

> > .The announcements of the awards was jumbled and confusing.
> > Workmanship and
> > Presentation awards were mixed together, and it wasn’t always clear
> > who got what.
> >
> Announcing the workmanship and presentation awards together for each
> division (as opposed
> to doing workmanship awards for all divisions and then presentation for
> all divisions) is
> a practice that a number of us who were involved in the revision of the
> fairness guidelines and also
> judge/mc have been encouraging, as it makes it plainer to the audience
> that workmanship awards
> are not “second class” awards.
> It also means that all the Best in Show awards are presented in a block
> together.
> That is not, however, an excuse for fuzziness in announcing the actual
> awards.
>
>
> Kevin

The simple way, I think, to separate it would have been to have a different
judge announce each part. I was a little suprised when the microphone wasn’t
handed off after the first set, I had assumed this would be the case, and
none of the judges for this particular masque were notoriously shy people.
Since the workmanship judge wasn’t around to pass off to, it would have been
simple, but effective, or one judge to do the novice wormanship, another to
do the novice presentation, the third to do journeman presenation, the first
to do journeyman workmanship, etc.

~Aurora

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Group: runacc Message: 2034 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 6/17/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – SF & F masquerade

That is one very effective technique. It’s not usually so chaotic as it
was that night (especially when Andy’s involved, as he’s done this
before). I think the added merchandise prizes may have confused things
as well. I know having the podium completely off the stage made it
harder to deal with the physical presentation of the awards and prizes.

(Note that if I’m the MC and the judges tell me they want to announce
the awards themselves, I usually just get out of the way. This works
most of the time 🙂

Aurora Celeste wrote:

>
>
> Kevin
>
> The simple way, I think, to separate it would have been to have a
> different
> judge announce each part. I was a little suprised when the microphone
> wasn’t
> handed off after the first set, I had assumed this would be the case, and
> none of the judges for this particular masque were notoriously shy people.
> Since the workmanship judge wasn’t around to pass off to, it would
> have been
> simple, but effective, or one judge to do the novice wormanship,
> another to
> do the novice presentation, the third to do journeman presenation, the
> first
> to do journeyman workmanship, etc.
>
> ~Aurora
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2035 From: Byron Connell Date: 6/17/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – SF & F masquerade

Discussions on this and other lists some years ago addressed a concern that workmanship awards were not accorded equal value with presentation awards. To combat this, several of us — led by Marty, I believe — have begun to announce all awards by division instead of announcing all workmanship awards together (by division) and all presentation awards together (by division). We did this at the Denver and Montreal worldcons, announcing first novice workmanship, then novice presentations, then going on to the other divisions. I think CC27 followed the same procedure. It’s certainly what I plan to do for the CC29 historical. Having said that, it is important that the person announcing the awards clearly state that they are one or the other, rather than mixing them within the division.

Byron

On Jun 17, 2010, at 8:23 AM, Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:

> Communications about this event were not good, leading up all the way up to
> the masquerade. Many people had questions, but answers weren’t forthcoming
> until roughly a month before the convention. We got some bad vibes about
> this – first,
>
> the stage was going to be one of the smallest on record – 12′ x 24′. And,
> it sounded like there would be no wings for concealing entries,
>
> but that turned out not to be true. Nowhere was it mentioned as to who was
>
> the MC or who the tech crew was.
>
> Upon arrival, we found out masquerade entry forms had to be in by 6 pm,
> Friday.
>
> Signing up for tech rehearsal was normal, but having to sign up for
> Workmanship judging was not. A couple of us missed this signup sheet,
> because we weren’t looking for it. Fortunately, we managed to get worked in
> later, but it was a point of consternation for a while until that was sorted
> out.
>
> Pipe and drape did not arrive until Saturday. This could have been a
> serious issue with tech rehearsals the same day, if something went wrong.
>
> As it turned out, it didn’t interfere. The stage design with the minimal
> wings were last minute additions on site (mind you, people had been asking
> the concom about this before the convention, but got no real answers). We
> had at least one complaint that the stage entry options were too limited.
> Given that no one apparently knew what the actual options were until the day
> of the masquerade, this is not surprising. By the way, the pipe and drape
> material used was not the highest quality – any light behind it shined
> through fairly readily, which was distracting with certain entries.
>
> Originally, tech crew was almost negligible. Fortunately, our community is
>
> good at pitching in – many people were drafted on site. The tech
>
> rehearsals, themselves, ran relatively smoothly. Interestingly, there was a
> section of time blocked in the afternoon where no one was scheduled – it
> allowed a slop factor, in case of delays. Pretty smart, actually.
>
> About the show itself. Given the size of the convention, the fact that
> there were 27 entries was pretty good. It was only learned Friday who was
> the MC, but fortunately, the person who was drafted was well-experienced..
> The show was well paced – very few delays. Overall the quality of the
> masquerade was very high. There were at least 3 instances of fairly serious
> soundtrack tech errors. More than one person’s presentation was diminished
> by that. One entrant refused a re-do, which was too bad, since he was a
> Novice. The crew would have been better served if they’d had some simple
> radio communications so that some of the problems (including the LAA) could
> have been possibly handled better.
>
> The Green Room was too small – many people had large bulky costumes, so this
> made things difficult for getting set up to go on stage. Perhaps it was the
> only close room of size near the ballroom, but it was still crowded. From
> one person in our discussion, we were given the impression that the MD may
> not have taken the time to show the backstage staff the rooms they were to
> work with. In the couple of hours before the masquerade, the workmanship
> judge had established themselves at one of the 8 foot tables well into the
> room space where dens were to be set up. The judge didn’t want to move
> because they believed (perhaps mistakenly) that they would need all that
> space for documentation – not realizing most SF & F masqs usually only have
> a few recreations that provide documents. Eventually, the judge did move
> into Official Photography, because it was just too cramped with them in the
> Green Room. Later, it was discovered there were some other small rooms
> that could have been used to alleviate some of the crowdedness,
>
> Awards:
>
> Here’s the breakdown:
>
> SFF – 27 Entries – 19 with awards, 9 without (70%)
>
> Divisions: 12 Masters, 7 Journeymen, 6 Novices
>
> Awards: 6 Workmanship, 16 Presentation, 5 Chapters; total: 27 awards
>
> The announcements of the awards was jumbled and confusing. Workmanship and
> Presentation awards were mixed together, and it wasn’t always clear who got
> what.
>
> Looking over the stats, the most glaring detail was how few workmanship
> awards were given. Out of 27 entries, there were only 6? Even though the
> judge saw “outstanding examples of the costumers craft up close”? If that’s
> the case, then they did not follow the maxim “Excellence Deserves
>
> Recognition”.
>
> Worse, the person performing that duty was witnessed breaching several
> judges ethics with just one entrant (they didn’t attend the panel, BTW).
> Among these were talking more about themselves than judging (thus wasting
> some of the allotted time to actually inspect), breaking that person’s prop
> (accidentally, but they didn’t ask to handle it first), and then saying some
> inappropriate things to them later, in the Con Suite(!). They were also
> witnessed talking about another entry to people who weren’t in that entry.
>
> After the convention, they posted on Facebook that they hoped to record a
> “judges commentary track” for the convention DVDs by Eric Cannon, which
> could be available by download. This is, in our opinion, inappropriate.
>
> When objections were raised, the judge defended the idea by saying “This is
> the first negative feedback I received about the idea. The commentary would
> basically be extra added info from the documentation and workmanship that
> members of the audience did not get to see up close. Info … See More like
> the people who hand-carved their fabric stamps, who made their own hoops,
> hand-punched their own prosthetic hair, or an explanation that Gypsy’s
> outfit was based on light refracting through sugar crystals. It would be
> geared strictly to allow people to better appreciate the outstanding work
> that was done. We also talked about the idea of giving the contestants an
> opportunity to display their documentation the day after a competition – so
> that people could really appreciate the work done. So much goes on that just
> never gets seen from stage distance”.
>
> While the intentions are good, permission must be given for any of that.
>
> Repeating – there were only 6 – Workmanship – Awards.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: runacc Message: 2036 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 6/17/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – SF & F masquerade

On Jun 17, 2010, at 11:24 AM, Aurora Celeste wrote:

> Since the workmanship judge wasn’t around to pass off to, it would have been
> simple, but effective, or one judge to do the novice wormanship, another to
> do the novice presentation, the third to do journeman presenation, the first
> to do journeyman workmanship, etc.

You do remember how fried we were at the end of that 😉

We should have talked over announcements a bit more while we had a moment or two.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 2037 From: osierhenry@cs.com Date: 6/17/2010
Subject: CC28 reviews
Hello.

I am not ignoring the reviews. I am just behind on e-mails. Which I will be
catching up on this weekend.

Henry

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Group: runacc Message: 2038 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – SF & F masquerade awards
You’re right – I do recall that Gordon was supposed to be the MC. But I
know I didn’t hear about you until the day of the con. Only your second MC
job? Well, you did a good job.

I’m still not sure about that whole mixing the awards thing. I understand
what you guys are trying to achieve, but I’m not sure what can be done to
make it clearer. Maybe Aurora’s suggestion might work(?). I don’t recall
that the divisions were announced very clearly, and maybe that’s what needs
to be done.

Bruce

 

Group: runacc Message: 2039 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: CC28 report – LAA — FOR THIS LIST ONLY
To keep the SF & F report from being longer than it already was, I’ve broken
this out into its own report.

I’m going to step out of the “group review” for a moment to make a few
personal comments. No matter what I do, it’s going to come across as petty,
but it needs to be addressed. In my opinion, this year’s Lifetime
Achievement Award presentation was mishandled.

The Lifetime Achievement Award is the highest honor that can be given to the
people who have made large contributions of their time (and sometimes money)
to our community. Nora has said that while she was president, it was the
best part of the job. When presenting the award

during the SF & F halftime, the recipient’s accomplishments are listed so
that the audience knows why that person deserves to be recognized. It’s fun
for the audience to see the surprised look when that person’s name is
announced.

No one thought to find this year’s LAA winners (us) backstage before the
award was ready to be given. I understand that there were some very
complimentary things said about us before the presentation – we didn’t hear
any of it. We still don’t know what was said. So, needless to say, while we
received some nice words from some of our peers afterwards, the actual
recognition was, not to put too fine a point on it, anti-climactic. Some
people in the audience remarked later that they’d noticed our reaction was
somewhat muted. Apparently, Penny Ladnier or someone posted on the
H-costume list not long after that night who had won, but it took
approximately 2 weeks for a post on the D list, and that was only after
someone pointedly inquired. By then, it was old news.

We’ve since learned that something like this has happened at least once
before. So here’s some advice for any future ICG presidents: make the
effort to make sure that your person is actually in the room before
presenting the award. And then follow up after the con.

(Stepping off soapbox now)

Bruce

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Group: runacc Message: 2040 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – LAA — FOR THIS LIST ONLY
Bruce, I’m presuming you were backstage because the award announcement
was not made clear. That’s the MD’s job, not the ICG President’s. The MD
is responsible for ordering the events that take place during the
masquerade and the contestants should be notified. Also betting there
weren’t any monitors backstage either, to allow for you to hear what was
happening in the main tent. Haven’t seen mention of them, but based on
how the rest of the set up was handled, I wouldn’t be surprised.

I recall a similar circumstance in the past, but not specifically where
it was or when. The audience was half gone when the announcement was
made. No attempt was made to ensure that the award was given with
everyone in attendance. It was part of the half-time entertainment and a
lot of folks were still talking in the halls, not in the room awaiting
the awards themselves.

*Future MDs please take note:*

It sucks to receive such an award with half the audience still out in
the wings. It’s embarrassing to have to tell someone who wasn’t there
but could have been what happened (because the judges were still out).

If you want maximum bang for the buck, make the announcement when the
judges are back in the room and ready to hand out the awards but before
the masquerade awards are given. For anything else, the LAA becomes an
afterthought. Ditto (in spades) for the Costume-Con Founder’s Award,
should one be given. I agree that it lessens the impact overall for the
recipient(s) and for the presenters as well as the rest of the audience.

My own $0.02, coming from personal experience (not with the LAA).
Hopefully, your mileage will vary.

Betsy



Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

 

Group: runacc Message: 2041 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – LAA — FOR THIS LIST ONLY

Betsy —

I have to point out that up until the president makes the announcement,
the MD will not know who the recipient(s) are. Only the ICG pres. knows
that until the announcement is made.

Jennifer and I went scrambling to find Bruce and Nora as soon as we’d
heard enough of the introduction to figure it out. We were definitely
hamstrung by the physical arrangement of the rooms and the lack of a
feed into the Green Room. It was really awkward, and, Bruce, I apologize
for my part in that awkwardness. (Note that I’m not disagreeing at all
with your complaint.)

As an aid to future CCs, some discussion about how to handle this more
coherently is definitely in order!

Kevin

Betsy Delaney wrote:

>
>
> Bruce, I’m presuming you were backstage because the award announcement
> was not made clear. That’s the MD’s job, not the ICG President’s. The MD
> is responsible for ordering the events that take place during the
> masquerade and the contestants should be notified. Also betting there
> weren’t any monitors backstage either, to allow for you to hear what was
> happening in the main tent. Haven’t seen mention of them, but based on
> how the rest of the set up was handled, I wouldn’t be surprised.
>
> I recall a similar circumstance in the past, but not specifically where
> it was or when. The audience was half gone when the announcement was
> made. No attempt was made to ensure that the award was given with
> everyone in attendance. It was part of the half-time entertainment and a
> lot of folks were still talking in the halls, not in the room awaiting
> the awards themselves.
>
> *Future MDs please take note:*
>
> It sucks to receive such an award with half the audience still out in
> the wings. It’s embarrassing to have to tell someone who wasn’t there
> but could have been what happened (because the judges were still out).
>
> If you want maximum bang for the buck, make the announcement when the
> judges are back in the room and ready to hand out the awards but before
> the masquerade awards are given. For anything else, the LAA becomes an
> afterthought. Ditto (in spades) for the Costume-Con Founder’s Award,
> should one be given. I agree that it lessens the impact overall for the
> recipient(s) and for the presenters as well as the rest of the audience.
>
> My own $0.02, coming from personal experience (not with the LAA).
> Hopefully, your mileage will vary.
>
> Betsy
>

 

Group: runacc Message: 2042 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – LAA — FOR THIS LIST ONLY

Kevin –
True, nobody knows but the President but it’s not that difficult to check if someone is in the room. It’s simple enough to have someone check if you can’t see the entire room before you get up. Either a partner or maybe a trusted previous recipient? At that point the couple of minutes lead time isn’t going to hurt so long as they don’t give it away.
Or anyone really – most folks wouldn’t leap to the conclusion that you were looking for the new LAA recipient if you just asked if someone had seen them.

Awkward? You bet, neither of us still has any idea of what may have been said – let’s assume it was complimentary.

Nora

— On Fri, 6/18/10, Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair <chair@cc26.org> wrote:

From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair <chair@cc26.org>
Subject: Re: [runacc] CC28 report – LAA — FOR THIS LIST ONLY
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, June 18, 2010, 1:16 PM

Betsy —

I have to point out that up until the president makes the announcement,
the MD will not know who the recipient(s) are. Only the ICG pres. knows
that until the announcement is made.

Jennifer and I went scrambling to find Bruce and Nora as soon as we’d
heard enough of the introduction to figure it out. We were definitely
hamstrung by the physical arrangement of the rooms and the lack of a
feed into the Green Room. It was really awkward, and, Bruce, I apologize
for my part in that awkwardness. (Note that I’m not disagreeing at all
with your complaint.)

As an aid to future CCs, some discussion about how to handle this more
coherently is definitely in order!

Kevin

Betsy Delaney wrote:
>
>
> Bruce, I’m presuming you were backstage because the award announcement
> was not made clear. That’s the MD’s job, not the ICG President’s. The MD
> is responsible for ordering the events that take place during the
> masquerade and the contestants should be notified. Also betting there
> weren’t any monitors backstage either, to allow for you to hear what was
> happening in the main tent. Haven’t seen mention of them, but based on
> how the rest of the set up was handled, I wouldn’t be surprised.
>
> I recall a similar circumstance in the past, but not specifically where
> it was or when. The audience was half gone when the announcement was
> made. No attempt was made to ensure that the award was given with
> everyone in attendance. It was part of the half-time entertainment and a
> lot of folks were still talking in the halls, not in the room awaiting
> the awards themselves.
>
> *Future MDs please take note:*
>
> It sucks to receive such an award with half the audience still out in
> the wings. It’s embarrassing to have to tell someone who wasn’t there
> but could have been what happened (because the judges were still out).
>
> If you want maximum bang for the buck, make the announcement when the
> judges are back in the room and ready to hand out the awards but before
> the masquerade awards are given. For anything else, the LAA becomes an
> afterthought. Ditto (in spades) for the Costume-Con Founder’s Award,
> should one be given. I agree that it lessens the impact overall for the
> recipient(s) and for the presenters as well as the rest of the audience.
>
> My own $0.02, coming from personal experience (not with the LAA).
> Hopefully, your mileage will vary.

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Group: runacc Message: 2043 From: Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – LAA — FOR THIS LIST ONLY

It most certainly was (complimentary 🙂
Kevin

Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

>
>
> Awkward? You bet, neither of us still has any idea of what may have
> been said – let’s assume it was complimentary.
>
> Nora
>
> __

 

Group: runacc Message: 2044 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – LAA — FOR THIS LIST ONLY

True, Kevin, which is why if you wait to do the awards for when the judges
are back, and encourage folks to get their awards from the house rather than
backstage or ensure that there’s a at least an audio feed to the greenroom
(which I think ought to be mandatory for ALL masquerades anyway), then the
awkwardness goes magically away.

I wasn’t there so I can’t say for sure what happened, but future concoms
should take note that from what I’ve read, this arrangement was WAY
suboptimal, especially for a con like Costume-Con, and goes far beyond just
the LAA.

We all ought to know better by now.

The technology has existed (and really cheaply) for well over 10 years now.
We’ve got no excuse whatsoever for not arranging a feed of some sort from
the main tent to the green room. It shouldn’t be a matter for a reminder but
should instead be one of the standard items you check off along with risers,
the sound system and stage lights. Setting up a monitor is painless.

Seriously.

Betsy

On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair <
chair@cc26.org> wrote:

>
>
> Betsy —
>
> I have to point out that up until the president makes the announcement,
> the MD will not know who the recipient(s) are. Only the ICG pres. knows
> that until the announcement is made.
>
> Jennifer and I went scrambling to find Bruce and Nora as soon as we’d
> heard enough of the introduction to figure it out. We were definitely
> hamstrung by the physical arrangement of the rooms and the lack of a
> feed into the Green Room. It was really awkward, and, Bruce, I apologize
> for my part in that awkwardness. (Note that I’m not disagreeing at all
> with your complaint.)
>
> As an aid to future CCs, some discussion about how to handle this more
> coherently is definitely in order!
>
> Kevin
>




Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

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Group: runacc Message: 2045 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – LAA — FOR THIS LIST ONLY

Honestly this isn’t primarily an issue about the CC itself. The announcement
was made at an appropriate time in relation to judges, half-time, etc.
What happened here was a fumble on the part of the ICG Pres. Not sure if he
just wanted to be done with it & didn’t think about whether we were in the
room or not.

This isn’t the fault of the MD in any way, she allowed for the announcement
at the right time & without knowing who it concerned (which she couldn’t
have known) that was all she could do.

A backstage feed would still be a nice idea.

Nora

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Betsy Delaney
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 3:43 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] CC28 report – LAA — FOR THIS LIST ONLY

True, Kevin, which is why if you wait to do the awards for when the judges
are back, and encourage folks to get their awards from the house rather than
backstage or ensure that there’s a at least an audio feed to the greenroom
(which I think ought to be mandatory for ALL masquerades anyway), then the
awkwardness goes magically away.

I wasn’t there so I can’t say for sure what happened, but future concoms
should take note that from what I’ve read, this arrangement was WAY
suboptimal, especially for a con like Costume-Con, and goes far beyond just
the LAA.

We all ought to know better by now.

The technology has existed (and really cheaply) for well over 10 years now.
We’ve got no excuse whatsoever for not arranging a feed of some sort from
the main tent to the green room. It shouldn’t be a matter for a reminder but
should instead be one of the standard items you check off along with risers,
the sound system and stage lights. Setting up a monitor is painless.

Seriously.

Betsy

On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair <
chair@cc26.org> wrote:

>
>
> Betsy —
>
> I have to point out that up until the president makes the announcement,
> the MD will not know who the recipient(s) are. Only the ICG pres. knows
> that until the announcement is made.
>
> Jennifer and I went scrambling to find Bruce and Nora as soon as we’d
> heard enough of the introduction to figure it out. We were definitely
> hamstrung by the physical arrangement of the rooms and the lack of a
> feed into the Green Room. It was really awkward, and, Bruce, I apologize
> for my part in that awkwardness. (Note that I’m not disagreeing at all
> with your complaint.)
>
> As an aid to future CCs, some discussion about how to handle this more
> coherently is definitely in order!
>
> Kevin

 

Group: runacc Message: 2046 From: Andrew T Trembley Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – LAA — FOR THIS LIST ONLY

On Jun 18, 2010, at 1:42 PM, Betsy Delaney wrote:

> I wasn’t there so I can’t say for sure what happened, but future concoms
> should take note that from what I’ve read, this arrangement was WAY
> suboptimal, especially for a con like Costume-Con, and goes far beyond just
> the LAA.

There was a lot of suboptimal, but there was also one unusual problem.

Richard had a memory card go sour and corrupt a bunch of photos (fortunately he discovered this during judging when he was providing us references), so he and Chris had to get a bunch of entrants back to the photo area to reshoot them. Nora was one of them, and got called back to photo a minute or two before the LAA. Horrible timing, but it would be difficult to avoid.

That said, it would be a good thing for the Pres to let another officer present in on the selection before the show starts (to keep track of the winner during the show) and the MD if the winner is an entrant in the show.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 2047 From: Martin Gear Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – LAA — FOR THIS LIST ONLY

For what it is worth, for the very first LAA, Janet just told me to go
find Marjii, stay with her, and not let her leave the backstage area
(Marjii was a contestant), and get her on stage at “the appropriate
time”. (She left it up to me to figure out what the appropriate time
was.) All without telling me anything about the LAA.
I don’t remember what happened when I got mine other than I really
didn’t think that I deserved it. (No, I’m not giving it back!)
Marty

Andrew T Trembley wrote:

>
>
> On Jun 18, 2010, at 1:42 PM, Betsy Delaney wrote:
> > I wasn’t there so I can’t say for sure what happened, but future concoms
> > should take note that from what I’ve read, this arrangement was WAY
> > suboptimal, especially for a con like Costume-Con, and goes far
> beyond just
> > the LAA.
>
> There was a lot of suboptimal, but there was also one unusual problem.
>
> Richard had a memory card go sour and corrupt a bunch of photos
> (fortunately he discovered this during judging when he was providing
> us references), so he and Chris had to get a bunch of entrants back to
> the photo area to reshoot them. Nora was one of them, and got called
> back to photo a minute or two before the LAA. Horrible timing, but it
> would be difficult to avoid.
>
> That said, it would be a good thing for the Pres to let another
> officer present in on the selection before the show starts (to keep
> track of the winner during the show) and the MD if the winner is an
> entrant in the show.
>
> andy
>
>
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Group: runacc Message: 2048 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: Re: CC28 report – LAA — FOR THIS LIST ONLY
Not to give anything away but all 3 times I gave out the award I made sure
the recipients were present. I still maintain that it is one of the greatest
joys of the job to be able to see their faces at that moment. No surprise to
anyone that I had “someone” check the room for me. The MC might even be a
good choice in some cases, they’re usually well aware of people in the
audience.

As for Richard, I appreciate the effort both he & Karisu made to get my
photos re-taken. It was poorly timed but not in any way their fault or
avoidable, simply bad timing. The only way to avoid that particular mishap
in the future would be to require the photographer to be present to take
pictures during the awards maybe – future cons might want to consider that
anyway.

Nora

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Andrew T Trembley
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 6:17 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] CC28 report – LAA — FOR THIS LIST ONLY

There was a lot of suboptimal, but there was also one unusual problem.

Richard had a memory card go sour and corrupt a bunch of photos (fortunately
he discovered this during judging when he was providing us references), so
he and Chris had to get a bunch of entrants back to the photo area to
reshoot them. Nora was one of them, and got called back to photo a minute or
two before the LAA. Horrible timing, but it would be difficult to avoid.

That said, it would be a good thing for the Pres to let another officer
present in on the selection before the show starts (to keep track of the
winner during the show) and the MD if the winner is an entrant in the show.

andy

 

Group: runacc Message: 2049 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: CC28 report – FFS
The Future Fashion Folio Show

Due to the lateness of the Folio getting out, few people were able to get
anything done for the show – only 6 entries. One change was made to
encourage more entries, allowing more than one person to do the same design.
This helped in at least once case, and it was interesting to see how two
different people interpreted the same sketch. Perhaps future FFS directors
might consider doing this, also. (I would like to explore this for the CC30
FFS.)

Needless to say, the show was over in less than half an hour.

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Group: runacc Message: 2050 From: Nora & Bruce Mai Date: 6/18/2010
Subject: CC28 report – Outside the con
There were only two “official” field trips planned around the convention –
one to The Safe House restaurant on Thursday evening and one to American
Science & Surplus. Neither of the trips were very well organized by someone
from the convention. Monday, you were on your own, according to the
website, but the con chair supposedly had a shooting range trip planned.
Oddly, the independently-announced SLCG bowling trip got posted on the con
web page, implying it was an official function, which it was not – it had
been picked up from a posting on the Yahoo groups. It’s not that it was a
big deal, but no one said it was going to be posted there.

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