I believe that it is, but it is too late right now for me to discuss my
reasoning. Remind me this weekend.
Marty

Bruno wrote:

>
> This is just a topic for discussion . . .
>
> CC used to follow the WorldCon voting schedule of site selection three
> years in advance. After the 2004 WorldCon, it switched to a two year
> site selection schedule. Is it really necessary to have CC site
> selection three years in advance?
>
> Michael
>
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Bruno wrote:

> This is just a topic for discussion . . .
>
> CC used to follow the WorldCon voting schedule of site selection three
> years in advance. After the 2004 WorldCon, it switched to a two year
> site selection schedule. Is it really necessary to have CC site
> selection three years in advance?
>
> Michael

Yes.

Fashion folio (with a start-date 18 months before the con) puts
different time pressures on CC than Worldcon has.

andy

In a message dated 11/5/2009 10:06:33 PM Central Standard Time,
bruno@soulmasque.com writes:

> Is it really necessary to have CC site
> selection three years in advance?

It does give more time for the CC to get things together. And raise money.
Admittedly, there has not been a competing bid situation for years, but when
it happens again, the lead time will be appreciated.

Henry

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Apropos of some of the discussion on the BOD list:

Should it have been my responsibility, as a judge, to disqualify an entry in
the SF & F if I saw the costume in the halls? Or was it the responsibility
of the MD to disallow them; in which case if they okayed it, then it was
permissible to judge it as part of the competition?

It’s a moot question, but this could become more of a point of contention as
we see more cosplayers coming CC.

Bruce

JMO, but it is the responsibility of the MD. It’s your responsibility to
inform the MD of the situation, but let them rule on it. Judges should be
free from having to make rules decisions like that on top of judging quality
and excellence. There’s also the possibility that the entrant was caught up
in the rehersal quandry: I don’t want my costume to be seen before the
competition, but I really want to practice in it and there’s no place to
change but my hotel room and then wear it down and hope for the best.

~Aurora

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:37 PM, Nora & Bruce Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> Apropos of some of the discussion on the BOD list:
>
> Should it have been my responsibility, as a judge, to disqualify an entry
> in
> the SF & F if I saw the costume in the halls? Or was it the responsibility
> of the MD to disallow them; in which case if they okayed it, then it was
> permissible to judge it as part of the competition?
>
> It’s a moot question, but this could become more of a point of contention
> as
> we see more cosplayers coming CC.
>
> Bruce
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

My understanding is it’s generally discouraged, might be in the
guildelines, but some MD’s allow it. Particularly if the masque is
small.

Michael.

Quoting Nora & Bruce Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>:

> Apropos of some of the discussion on the BOD list:
>
> Should it have been my responsibility, as a judge, to disqualify an entry in
> the SF & F if I saw the costume in the halls? Or was it the responsibility
> of the MD to disallow them; in which case if they okayed it, then it was
> permissible to judge it as part of the competition?
>
> It’s a moot question, but this could become more of a point of contention as
> we see more cosplayers coming CC.
>
> Bruce
>
>

I think it is the MD’s problem

if it comes across the stage, I judge it. I am a judge at that point, not an admin.

that happened to me at Arisia last year, all these little cosplay chickies came up to me to bitch about someone who alledgedly bought her stuff, or some other thing.’

sorry, some one told me to judge it, and I did

I think the same thing for the hall costume thing. heck some east coast cosn are so small these days, we all beg hall costumes to enter.

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________________________________
From: Nora & Bruce Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 11:37:40 PM
Subject: [runacc] Judge’s responsibility

Apropos of some of the discussion on the BOD list:

Should it have been my responsibility, as a judge, to disqualify an entry in
the SF & F if I saw the costume in the halls? Or was it the responsibility
of the MD to disallow them; in which case if they okayed it, then it was
permissible to judge it as part of the competition?

It’s a moot question, but this could become more of a point of contention as
we see more cosplayers coming CC.

Bruce

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Gravely MacCabre wrote:

> that happened to me at Arisia last year, all these little cosplay chickies came up to me to bitch about someone who alledgedly bought her stuff, or some other thing.’

Yeah, those complaints need to be taken to the MD, not the judges. If
it’s a rules violation, it’s the MD’s responsibility.

If there is evidence supporting the claim (and it is a rules violation
and not just something somebody doesn’t like), then the MD decide how to
act on the complaint.

andy

First thing to do is *check the rules*!

Not all conventions bar hall costumes from the masquerade; there is no
mention of doing so in the ICG guidelines.

It became a practice (a “convention” 😉 at Costume-Cons and Worldcons
designed to avoid overwhelming the competition with too many entries.

As many folks have stated, if there is a question of disqualification,
ask the MD.
Disqualification should be the MD’s call (whatever the reason).

Kevin

Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:

>
>
> Apropos of some of the discussion on the BOD list:
>
> Should it have been my responsibility, as a judge, to disqualify an
> entry in
> the SF & F if I saw the costume in the halls? Or was it the responsibility
> of the MD to disallow them; in which case if they okayed it, then it was
> permissible to judge it as part of the competition?
>
> It’s a moot question, but this could become more of a point of
> contention as
> we see more cosplayers coming CC.
>
> Bruce
>
>
>

In a message dated 11/10/2009 10:38:36 PM Central Standard Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> Should it have been my responsibility, as a judge, to disqualify an entry
> in
> the SF &F if I saw the costume in the halls? Or was it the responsibility
> of the MD to disallow them; in which case if they okayed it, then it was
> permissible to judge it as part of the competition?

That is a good question. I think it is the call of the MD, unless they have
a rule that says one way or the other.

Henry

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This turns on whether there is a “no hall costumes” rule for the masquerade. Certainly, if the masquerade does not bar hall costumes, neither a judge nor the MD could act to bar one. The rule was introduced to cut down the number of entries. That no longer seems essential and the Fairness Guidelines do not recommend such a rule. I dropped it from Philcon’s masquerade rules and did not include one at Anticipation

Having said that, at a masquerade I am directing, a judge would not have the authority to disqualify an entry. Only the MD has that power and the judge should bring the concern to the MD for a decision.

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: Nora & Bruce Mai<mailto:casamai@sbcglobal.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:37 PM
Subject: [runacc] Judge’s responsibility

Apropos of some of the discussion on the BOD list:

Should it have been my responsibility, as a judge, to disqualify an entry in
the SF & F if I saw the costume in the halls? Or was it the responsibility
of the MD to disallow them; in which case if they okayed it, then it was
permissible to judge it as part of the competition?

It’s a moot question, but this could become more of a point of contention as
we see more cosplayers coming CC.

Bruce

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

It is never your responsibility to enforce what you believe to be the
rules. It is the Masquerade Director’s responsibility. If you believe
that something is in violation, you can bring it to the MD’s attention
(which is why the MD should be sitting in on the judging) but your job
is to judge costumes, not people.
Marty

Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:

>
> Apropos of some of the discussion on the BOD list:
>
> Should it have been my responsibility, as a judge, to disqualify an
> entry in
> the SF & F if I saw the costume in the halls? Or was it the responsibility
> of the MD to disallow them; in which case if they okayed it, then it was
> permissible to judge it as part of the competition?
>
> It’s a moot question, but this could become more of a point of
> contention as
> we see more cosplayers coming CC.
>
> Bruce
>
>
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>
>
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>
>

With these responses, then the conclusion I have reached is that I should
have mentioned it to the MD and let her decide. Oh well. Noted. Not like
I’ll be judging another East Coast masq any time soon, but good to know
going forward.

Thanks, everyone.

Bruce

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Martin Gear
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:19 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Judge’s responsibility

It is never your responsibility to enforce what you believe to be the
rules. It is the Masquerade Director’s responsibility. If you believe
that something is in violation, you can bring it to the MD’s attention
(which is why the MD should be sitting in on the judging) but your job
is to judge costumes, not people.
Marty

Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:

>
> Apropos of some of the discussion on the BOD list:
>
> Should it have been my responsibility, as a judge, to disqualify an
> entry in
> the SF & F if I saw the costume in the halls? Or was it the responsibility
> of the MD to disallow them; in which case if they okayed it, then it was
> permissible to judge it as part of the competition?
>
> It’s a moot question, but this could become more of a point of
> contention as
> we see more cosplayers coming CC.
>
> Bruce
>
>
> ————————————————————————
>
>
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Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:

> With these responses, then the conclusion I have reached is that I should
> have mentioned it to the MD and let her decide. Oh well. Noted. Not like
> I’ll be judging another East Coast masq any time soon, but good to know
> going forward.

The big question still stands. Did you read and understand the rules?
Only then would you know if it’s even something to approach the MD with…

andy

At 10:37 PM 11/10/2009, you wrote:

>Apropos of some of the discussion on the BOD list:
>
>Should it have been my responsibility, as a judge, to disqualify an entry in
>the SF & F if I saw the costume in the halls? Or was it the responsibility
>of the MD to disallow them; in which case if they okayed it, then it was
>permissible to judge it as part of the competition?
>
>It’s a moot question, but this could become more of a point of contention as
>we see more cosplayers coming CC.
>
>Bruce

I do not believe it is a judge’s responsibility to disqualify an
entrant. That should be solely a MD’s job. However, I think it is
appropriate to notify the MD of any potential problem and let them
make any decisions.

Pierre

“Those Who Fail to Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly –
Why They Are Simply Doomed.”

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C. Y. 4971

Andromeda

holey crap, did we all just mostly agree on something??? I think that was fortold in one of the last Mayan predictions. LOL

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________________________________
From: Nora & Bruce Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 8:38:14 PM
Subject: RE: [runacc] Judge’s responsibility

With these responses, then the conclusion I have reached is that I should
have mentioned it to the MD and let her decide. Oh well. Noted. Not like
I’ll be judging another East Coast masq any time soon, but good to know
going forward.

Thanks, everyone.

Bruce

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups. com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
Martin Gear
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:19 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Judge’s responsibility

It is never your responsibility to enforce what you believe to be the
rules. It is the Masquerade Director’s responsibility. If you believe
that something is in violation, you can bring it to the MD’s attention
(which is why the MD should be sitting in on the judging) but your job
is to judge costumes, not people.
Marty

Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:

>
> Apropos of some of the discussion on the BOD list:
>
> Should it have been my responsibility, as a judge, to disqualify an
> entry in
> the SF & F if I saw the costume in the halls? Or was it the responsibility
> of the MD to disallow them; in which case if they okayed it, then it was
> permissible to judge it as part of the competition?
>
> It’s a moot question, but this could become more of a point of
> contention as
> we see more cosplayers coming CC.
>
> Bruce
>
>
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>
>
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Hey, it’s not the end of the world yet! We still have two years to go!

😎

-b

Gravely MacCabre wrote:

>
>
> holey crap, did we all just mostly agree on something??? I think that
> was fortold in one of the last Mayan predictions. LOL

—
—
Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

In a message dated 11/11/2009 10:29:40 PM Central Standard Time,
costumrs@radiks.net writes:

> I do not believe it is a judge’s responsibility to disqualify an
> entrant. That should be solely a MD’s job. However, I think it is
> appropriate to notify the MD of any potential problem and let them
> make any decisions.

At Archon this year, I, as judge, noted a few masquerade entries that were
on stage that had been in the hallways most of the con. Sheila said that did
not count against them in her book because she wanted to encourage entries.
I am glad she was there and said so.

I also would like to add that I restrained myself from pulling out the
“Well, in my experience judging at a CC…” Which she was glad I did.

Henry

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In a message dated 11/11/2009 11:36:04 PM Central Standard Time,
gravelymac@yahoo.com writes:

> holey crap, did we all just mostly agree on something??? I think that was
> fortold in one of the last Mayan predictions. LOL
>
>
>

See! I said that CC30’s theme should be the Apocalypse!

Henry

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

No, it was Nostradamus!

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: Gravely MacCabre<mailto:gravelymac@yahoo.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Judge’s responsibility

holey crap, did we all just mostly agree on something??? I think that was fortold in one of the last Mayan predictions. LOL

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http://www.midnightmonsterhop.com<http://www.midnightmonsterhop.com/>
http://www.myspace.com/thecastleblood<http://www.myspace.com/thecastleblood>
http://www.myspace.com/midnightmonsterhop<http://www.myspace.com/midnightmonsterhop>
clip samples at
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________________________________
From: Nora & Bruce Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net<mailto:casamai%40sbcglobal.net>>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 8:38:14 PM
Subject: RE: [runacc] Judge’s responsibility

With these responses, then the conclusion I have reached is that I should
have mentioned it to the MD and let her decide. Oh well. Noted. Not like
I’ll be judging another East Coast masq any time soon, but good to know
going forward.

Thanks, everyone.

Bruce

—–Original Message—–
From: runacc@yahoogroups. com [mailto:runacc@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
Martin Gear
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:19 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [runacc] Judge’s responsibility

It is never your responsibility to enforce what you believe to be the
rules. It is the Masquerade Director’s responsibility. If you believe
that something is in violation, you can bring it to the MD’s attention
(which is why the MD should be sitting in on the judging) but your job
is to judge costumes, not people.
Marty

Nora & Bruce Mai wrote:
>
> Apropos of some of the discussion on the BOD list:
>
> Should it have been my responsibility, as a judge, to disqualify an
> entry in
> the SF & F if I saw the costume in the halls? Or was it the responsibility
> of the MD to disallow them; in which case if they okayed it, then it was
> permissible to judge it as part of the competition?
>
> It’s a moot question, but this could become more of a point of
> contention as
> we see more cosplayers coming CC.
>
> Bruce
>
>
> ———— ——— ——— ——— ——— ——— –
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG – www.avg.com
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Dear Folks,
I’m singing in late to this discussion but I think I have a point of
information that you may not yet have considered. Oh wait there is Fearless
Leader but he’s been unable to attend Philcon a few times in recent years. And
technically rob is the MC not the MD. So I’ll proceed anyway.

Philcon has a masquerade but typically low entry numbers, usually 10 or
less.
Sometimes we have encouraged people with really good hall costumes to
actually walk across the stage as part of the masquerade.
Some never thought of entering the masquerade or didn’t recognize we had
one because the anime term is “cosplay”
If they say they didn’t actually make the costume from scratch but
bought various parts to complete the ensemble, they are told they can present
the costume without entering the competition.

Sincerely, Joni Brill Dashoff, Lunatyk Phyrnge aka Del Val.

In a message dated 11/10/2009 11:38:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

Apropos of some of the discussion on the BOD list:

Should it have been my responsibility, as a judge, to disqualify an entry
in
the SF & F if I saw the costume in the halls? Or was it the responsibility
of the MD to disallow them; in which case if they okayed it, then it was
permissible to judge it as part of the competition?

It’s a moot question, but this could become more of a point of contention
as
we see more cosplayers coming CC.

Bruce

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Welcome to 2010!

As a special incentive to come to Costume-Con 28, we are rolling back the
membership rate to $70! But only for a few days! This rate will only be valid
until the end of Monday, January 4th. You can find the form at
http://www.cc28.org/memberships.php. Just write the phrase “This never happened to the
other guy” on the form. You can make payment via PayPal to CC2010Milw@cs.com.
Feel free to forward this to your friends!

Henry W. Osier
Chairman, Costume-Con 28
May 7 to May 10, 2010 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin
www.CC28.org
Look for our fan page on Facebook!
And on Twitter: CostumeCon28
Got questions?
Join the CostumeCon Yahoo group!

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This is now extended to January 15th! Spread the word! Henry Osier

In a message dated 1/1/2010 12:58:16 PM Central Standard Time,
osierhenry@cs.com writes:

> Welcome to 2010!
>
> As a special incentive to come to Costume-Con 28, we are rolling back the
> membership rate to $70! But only for a few days! This rate will only be
> valid until the end of Monday, January 4th. You can find the form at
> http://www.cc28.org/memberships.php. Just write the phrase “This never happened to
> the other guy” on the form. You can make payment via PayPal to
> CC2010Milw@cs.com. Feel free to forward this to your friends!
>
> Henry W. Osier
> Chairman, Costume-Con 28
> May 7 to May 10, 2010 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin
> www.CC28.org
> Look for our fan page on Facebook!
> And on Twitter: CostumeCon28
> Got questions?
> Join the CostumeCon Yahoo group!
>
>
>

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Where: Denver, CO (venue TBD)

Dates: May 17-20, 2013

Committee:
Con Chair: Michael Bruno
Treasurer: Katherine Williams

I’ll try to have this info up on the CC web sites, soon. Feel free to cross-post to other lists.

Site selection will take place at Costume-Con 28. You need to be at least a supporting member of the con to vote. (Henry, if you need anything else for the ballots, let me know.)

–Karen

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Denver bids for CC31

http://www.cc31denver.com

Michael

Cool – and an excuse to visit the Denver Doll Emporium in person!

To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: bruno@soulmasque.com
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:34:38 -0800
Subject: [runacc] It’s Official

Denver bids for CC31

http://www.cc31denver.com

Michael

_________________________________________________________________
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I think I’ve heard some of the girls into BJD mention it. I’ll put it
on my list of places of interest.

Michael

Quoting Trudy Leonard <georgialei@hotmail.com>:

>
> Cool – and an excuse to visit the Denver Doll Emporium in person!
>

The CC25 photos are now up on the Costume-Connections site.

http://www.costume-con.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=2938

So go on out & look for yourself!

Nora

Dear Friends and Costume-Con 30 members:

At the time I bid for Costume-Con 30, I made certain assumptions about the
state of my life and my ability to run the convention. Sadly, those
assumptions were not accurate, and over the last 9 months, my life has been
thrown into such disarray that I have no business chairing a convention, let
alone a “milestone year” convention such as Costume-Con 30.

For the good of the convention, and exercising my prerogative as the
Costume-Con Founder and Service Mark Holder, I have made the difficult
decision to hand over the running of Costume-Con 30 to different stewards.
Elaine Mami has agreed to chair the convention, with the backing of the
SouthWest Costumers Guild (SWCG) chapter of the ICG. The venue will move
from Pittburgh, PA to the Phoenix, AZ area. Theming may change, as the new
committee should have free rein to run their convention their way. This is
an experienced and competent committee, and I have no doubt that they will
run an excellent and fun-filled Costume-Con.

If you already have a membership for Costume Con 30, you need do nothing-it
will be honored. If you joined the convention between Costume-Con 27 and
this announcement and would like a refund, it will be cheerily given.

Hopefully, at 2+ years out from the con, disruption will be minimal. Thank
you for your patience during the transition.

–Karen Dick

Costume-Con Founder

Joyce,

Concerning our recent phone call, enclosed is a copy of our resgitration page and associated correspondence.

Our web site, sickpups.org, has been squatted by our webmaster, and we would like to get the domain name back from him. The site was designed by Betsy Delaney, who then moved on and transferred the position to Bill Frankenfield. He handled that site, as well as another, and did the job badly. We tried, without success, to get him to keep the site updated. Ultimately, we found someone else to be our webmaster, and asked him to turn the site over to us. He refused, emptied all of our information, and is using the site – with our name – to promote another organization.

We need your help to regain our site.

Thank you for your efforts,

Elaine Mami

Corresponding Secretary, NJ/NY Costumers’ Guild

A.K.A. The Sick Pups

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Sponsoring Registrar:007 Names, Inc (R8-LROR)
Status:TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:DOT-TDDY9C4K45DA
Registrant Name:Elaine Mami
Registrant Organization:NJ/NY Costumers’ Guild
Registrant Street1:85 W. McClellan Avenue
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Livingston
Registrant State/Province:NJ
Registrant Postal Code:07039-1247
Registrant Country:US
Registrant Phone:+1.3013070222
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:+1.4137517320
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email:raven@ravenefx.com
Admin ID:DOT-795RM82TT73D
Admin Name:Elaine Mami
Admin Organization:NJ/NY Costumers’ Guild
Admin Street1:85 W. McClellan Avenue
Admin Street2:
Admin Street3:
Admin City:Livingston
Admin State/Province:NJ
Admin Postal Code:07039-1247
Admin Country:US
Admin Phone:+1.3013070222
Admin Phone Ext.:
Admin FAX:+1.4137517320
Admin FAX Ext.:
Admin Email:raven@ravenefx.com
Tech ID:DOT-0C62N3NMS7BH
Tech Name:Elaine Mami
Tech Organization:NJ/NY Costumers’ Guild
Tech Street1:85 W. McClellan Avenue
Tech Street2:
Tech Street3:
Tech City:Livingston
Tech State/Province:NJ
Tech Postal Code:07039-1247
Tech Country:US
Tech Phone:+1.3013070222
Tech Phone Ext.:
Tech FAX:+1.4137517320
Tech FAX Ext.:
Tech Email:raven@ravenefx.com
Name Server:NS.DMSCONSULTING.INFO
Name Server:NS1.DMSCONSULTING.INFO
Name Server:
Name Server:
Name

Here’s the last message I got from him. I’d print the whole discussion
stream out to be used as evidence when contacting 007Names.

So sorry about this…

Betsy

——– Original Message ——–
Subject: Re: recent events; Pups
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 19:40:59 -0500
From: bill frankenfield <raven@ravenefx.com>
Organization: raven design /Ram fx studios
To: <bdelaney@hawkeswood.com>

thank you so much for your support and advise….

I am pretty much done with the ICG and will make that perfectly clear.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Betsy Delaney” <aramintamd@gmail.com>
To: “bill frankenfield” <raven@ravenefx.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: recent events; Pups

> Bill:
>
> 1. Cybersquatting is *illegal*.
> http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/property00/domain/legislation.html
>
> No matter how wronged you might be, what you are doing by using the
> SickPups’ name for your own organization is WRONG.
>
> 2. When I set up the SouthPaws, it was an offshoot of the Sick Pups and
> was NOT intended as a replacement. The subchapter died because there were
> not enough people interested in seeing it continue. I’ve since moved on to
> the SiliconWeb.
>
> 3. The use of the name ICG without the organization’s sanction is also not
> legal. Considering the nastiness on the ICG-D list and the fact that your
> name has now been publicly linked to the SickPups.org domain means you are
> virtually guaranteed not to receive recognition.
>
> 4. Regardless of any beefs I may have had with Carl or Dora in the past, I
> would never EVER consider any illegal action as justifiable by virtue of
> that relationship.
>
> 5. The SickPupsNOT site to which you refer below contains quite a bit of
> my own code and the original text design at the top of the page. As the
> originating designer, I object to the characterization that the site was
> all your own work. I have retained my original designs in my files and
> will gladly produce them, should that be necessary in a legal action.
>
> I think you should consider quite carefully what you have done and choose
> to register your own separate domain. The Pups can choose to take legal
> action against you. As you can see by the link I provided above, you
> should ask yourself if it’s worth it.
>
> Regards,
>
> Betsy Marks Delaney
>
> bill frankenfield wrote:
>> Betsy I am going to vent, a lot! I trust that you can make a sensible
>> dialogue out of the following. plaes note that NO ONE from the Pups has
>> contacted me about this, nor offered any olive branch and this has been
>> ongoing since at eh very latest Septmeber,l when I spent my entire
>> vacation working on the CC29 site!
>>
>> I will not surrender the domain, the pups abaondoned it. They registered
>> http://sickpupsnot.org and have copied all of my work. for the years that
>> I ran the site I never recieved a bit of data nor assistance.
>>
>> The leadership has gone amuck. there is no hijacking of the site as
>> referances to the pups still exist.
>>
>> As a compromise I will set up a referral page for those who find a need
>> to contact the pups.
>> If the ICG cannot see what is happening here there is nothing that I can
>> do to avoid the reprocussions, the pups are out of hand and have done me
>> great injustice. and harm, mostly from Dora and Carl nI have several
>> emails that are linked to that site and I cannot give them up. I set up
>> CC29.org at their request recieved no data nor information but still I
>> was expected to Put up a website… without working with me, they
>> registered and set up several new domain names
>> They claimed they couldnot get in touch with me, odd how everyone else
>> can and does..nie?
>> listen you have been there, they leadership is all about control and if
>> any group should be coming under fire it should be the Pups, not me.
>>
>> If the ICG will not accept and approve the new “chapter” we can run along
>> fine without them. I have been sabotaged, blasphemed and maligned.
>> I never did anything in opposition to the pups or the ICG and now find
>> myself a villian.
>> basically the pups “blackballed” me without even an attempt to resolve
>> this.
>>
>>
>> some samples of my work can be found at
>> http://Ravendesigngroup.com
>> http://myspace.com/raven_fx
>> —– Original Message —– From: “Betsy Delaney” <aramintamd@gmail.com>
>> To: “bill frankenfield” <raven@ravenefx.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 8:25 AM
>> Subject: Re: recent events; Pups
>>
>>
>>> Hi, Bill:
>>>
>>> It’s come to light on the ICG-D list that the organization below has
>>> hijacked the Sick Pups’ domain.
>>>
>>> May I humbly suggest that you will hurt your organization’s chances of
>>> becoming a separate ICG-recognized organization by the actions discussed
>>> on the list.
>>>
>>> I would strongly suggest setting up your own domain and moving your
>>> website there, and then turning over responsibility for the Sick Pups
>>> site to someone else (after restoring their site).
>>>
>>> Regardless of whatever beef I have had with the Pups (and Carl Mami in
>>> particular) in the past, I would never commit cybersquatting as a means
>>> for revenge or anything else.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Betsy
>>>
>>> bill frankenfield wrote:
>>>> Hello Betsy! well I finally got burned by the pups!
>>>> Same issues as you had, no info and then they make it your propblem
>>>> when nothing getw updated….
>>>> You can’t believe the BS over the CC29 page they went rigfht behind my
>>>> back and made me out the villian. Anyway I am starting a new group
>>>> orientated more towards younger net savy cosplayers, streampunkers and
>>>> anime.
>>>> IWe have decided upon the name Cosplay Con-federates. I would love to
>>>> have you on board.
>>>> I know that this soiunds a lot like the South Paws thing but I really
>>>> feel a seperate group more internet focused and more involved with
>>>> Anime and cosplay in general is needed and although the silicone web is
>>>> viable it is mostley west coasdt oriented, the new group will focus on
>>>> the east coast, with committment from people in the Midwest and south
>>>> Fla already in.
>>>> anyway if you would like to call I could use to talk to someone who
>>>> “has been there”.
>>>> 973 460 2222
>>>> on other fronts how goes things with you?
>>>> thanks bill / Raven
>>>> some samples of my work can be found at
>>>> http://ravenefx.com
>>>> http://myspace.com/raven_fx
>>

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Some of you know how this has been delayed but there’s good news:
The CC28 Future Fashion Folio is done!

That is – the layout is done but it will be a week or more until it is printed & mailed, then you must wait for the postal service to deliver it.

So I have a special offer for all CC28 members who would be happy to have an electronic copy NOW to avoid the wait; I can send you a zip file of the entire Folio.

Please respond to me at “von <underscore> drago <at> yahoo <dot> com”
• include an email at which you can receive a large file
• let me know if you are willing to wait until the convention to pick up your hardcopy or if you need it sent to you after they are printed & ready to be mailed

Thanks!
Nora

Betsy,

Please add a couple of my new concom for CC30.

Frances Burns frances.burns@honeywell.com

Jean Palmer bjeanpalmer@msn.com

Marg Grady marg1066@gmail.com

Thanks so much,

Elaine

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Any opinions on putting Dealers & Exhibits in the same room.

Thanks.

Michael

we did it at cc-5, and it kept a nice constant flow thru there that the dealers liked

Gravely MacCabre
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From: Michael <bruno@soulmasque.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, April 1, 2010 12:22:21 AM
Subject: [runacc] Dealers & Exhibits

Any opinions on putting Dealers & Exhibits in the same room.

Thanks.

Michael

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I don’t think I’ve seen it done at CC. But, it was like that for the
two WorldCons I’ve been to. I may have to deal with some really large
spaces and those are the two biggest spaces next to greenroom and main
events.

Michael

Quoting Gravely MacCabre <gravelymac@yahoo.com>:

> we did it at cc-5, and it kept a nice constant flow thru there that
> the dealers liked
>
> Gravely MacCabre

we did an inner ring/row for the displays, with two rows, back to back
and the dealers around the perimeter, which gave them all wall space that they liked.

Gravely MacCabre
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From: Bruno <bruno@soulmasque.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, April 1, 2010 1:12:54 AM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Dealers & Exhibits

I don’t think I’ve seen it done at CC. But, it was like that for the
two WorldCons I’ve been to. I may have to deal with some really large
spaces and those are the two biggest spaces next to greenroom and main
events.

Michael

Quoting Gravely MacCabre <gravelymac@yahoo. com>:

> we did it at cc-5, and it kept a nice constant flow thru there that
> the dealers liked
>
> Gravely MacCabre

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It seems I saw something like that at Hartford Connecticut (CC-18?). I thought it worked out well enough. I think they had things layed out in a rather informal style, which worked with the pillars they had to work around.

Charles (CC-23 Utah)

—– Original Message —–
From: Michael
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 10:22 PM
Subject: [runacc] Dealers & Exhibits

Any opinions on putting Dealers & Exhibits in the same room.

Thanks.

Michael

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I missed 18.

Michael

Quoting Charles Galway <cgalway@xmission.com>:

>
> It seems I saw something like that at Hartford Connecticut (CC-18?).
> I thought it worked out well enough. I think they had things layed
> out in a rather informal style, which worked with the pillars they
> had to work around.
>
> Charles (CC-23 Utah)

Michael,

We did it at CC-24. The room was large enough to the dealers at one end and the exhibits at the other.

Les Rotjh

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On Mar 31, 2010, at 11:22 PM, Michael wrote:

> Any opinions on putting Dealers & Exhibits in the same room.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Michael
>
>

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CC9 was also done that way.

Since I was running a dealer table at the time and was also Exhibit
coordinator, it was relatively easy to do both jobs. This included a
change-over from Saturday to Sunday. Friday/Saturday was fantasy themed
costumes and Snow Queens through the Ages. Sunday was historical
costumes and a Jenny Ketcham retrospective.

The doll display was also in the room with us, but I didn’t manage that.

Betsy

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http://www.hawkeswood.com/

CC 11 did that. It worked okay.
The only problem is traffice flow, if you’re trying to take pictures it can be an issue.

Nora

— On Wed, 3/31/10, Michael <bruno@soulmasque.com> wrote:

From: Michael <bruno@soulmasque.com>
Subject: [runacc] Dealers & Exhibits
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 11:22 PM

Any opinions on putting Dealers & Exhibits in the same room.

Thanks.

Michael

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If the room is large enough, it could work. I have seen it done. However, unless they are separated somehow, it could get crowded. When folks with cameras back up for a shot and bump into shoppers, traffic jams occur.

Elaine

Chaise, CC30

Any opinions on putting Dealers & Exhibits in the same room.

Thanks.

Michael

Re

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I really want you both to be part of the RunACC list, hosted by Betsy Delaney. There’s lots of good information there, and people with lots of experience to answer most of our questions.

Elaine

Chaise, CC30

> Subject: RE: Wyndham Phoenix/Costume-Con
> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 08:40:00 -0700
> From: frances.burns@honeywell.com
> To: marg1066@gmail.com; ecmami@hotmail.com
>
> Speaking of budget, has Kim gotten back to you? Because it is time to look for a different Treasurer if she hasn’t.
>
> Frances Burns (PI PA&C)
>
> 602-436-0983
>
>
> —–Original Message—–
> From: Marg Grady [mailto:marg1066@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 8:39 PM
> To: Elaine Mami
> Cc: Burns, Frances (PI PA&C)
> Subject: Re: Wyndham Phoenix/Costume-Con
>
> Just so you have it, here’s a copy of my preliminary budget.
> Of course money can be re-allocated as we see fit.
> It is based off of the budget info I received from CC25 (which is, to my knowledge, the only actual budget info I’ve gotten).
>
> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Elaine Mami <ecmami@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > That has a familiar sound to it. I should have joined site selection
> > committees for Lunacon back in the day 🙁
> >
> > Elaine
> >
> >
> >
> >> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:09:30 -0700
> >> Subject: Re: Wyndham Phoenix/Costume-Con
> >> From: marg1066@gmail.com
> >> To: frances.burns@honeywell.com
> >> CC: ecmami@hotmail.com
> >>
> >> Well, my *very preliminary* working budget currently allocates $3000
> >> for all space.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Burns, Frances (PI PA&C)
> >> <frances.burns@honeywell.com> wrote:
> >> > Do you have any idea on what we can spend on function space?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > My very rough guess goes something like this 250x$50=$1250/2 =
> >> > $6250 to $10000 preferably on the lower side
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Frances Burns (PI PA&C)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > 602-436-0983
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > From: Elaine Mami [mailto:ecmami@hotmail.com]
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 9:18 AM
> >> > To: Marg; Burns, Frances (PI PA&C)
> >> > Subject: RE: Wyndham Phoenix/Costume-Con
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Looks like a decent beginning. The whole thing is about
> >> > negotiation. I am rotten at that!
> >> >
> >> > Keep up the effort! Thanks,
> >> >
> >> > Elaine
> >> > who has had way too much matzo already 🙁
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 08:51:43 -0700
> >> >> Subject: Re: FW: Wyndham Phoenix/Costume-Con
> >> >> From: marg1066@gmail.com
> >> >> To: frances.burns@honeywell.com
> >> >> CC: ecmami@hotmail.com
> >> >>
> >> >> It’ll be interesting to see how much the function space comes down
> >> >> with their sliding scale based on room nights… otherwise, ouch!
> >> >> Frances, could you find out what non-overnight parking costs? (I
> >> >> see that overnight is $23/day.)
> >> >>
> >> >> I’ve gone back to TMPalms to say, okay, lower the rates and adjust
> >> >> with charging for function space… we’ll see what she comes back
> >> >> with.
> >> >>
> >> >> As these proposals from the hotels firm up, we’ll need to be
> >> >> adding info to the spreadsheet (Google Doc) so that we have the
> >> >> ability to easily compare.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 7:16 AM, Burns, Frances (PI PA&C)
> >> >> <frances.burns@honeywell.com> wrote:
> >> >> > This is the proposal from the only down town hotel that would
> >> >> > give us one the others either were way out of the room range 190
> >> >> > to 235 or did not think they could fit us in because of the low
> >> >> > number of room nights.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > —–Original Message—–
> >> >> > From: francesb@sedona.net [mailto:francesb@sedona.net]
> >> >> > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 4:12 PM
> >> >> > To: Burns, Frances (PI PA&C)
> >> >> > Subject: FW: Wyndham Phoenix/Costume-Con
> >> >> >
> >> >> > —- Original Message —-
> >> >> > From: thoffman@phxhotel.com
> >> >> > To: Francesb@sedona.net
> >> >> > Subject: Wyndham Phoenix/Costume-Con
> >> >> > Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 13:17:48 -0700
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Hi Frances:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Thank you for the opportunity to bid on your 2012 convention. I
> >> >> > have attached a proposal for your review. As it relates to the
> >> >> > meeting space, it would be really helpful if I could get a day
> >> >> > to day breakdown with times as to which space you will need. I
> >> >> > would like to put together a sliding scale for meeting room
> >> >> > rental based on your guest room pick-up. If you can provide
> >> >> > this I can rework the rental numbers.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The Wyndham would be a great location for your group. We are
> >> >> > conveniently located in downtown Phoenix just 4 miles from the
> >> >> > airport ($10.00 shuttle,
> >> >> > $1.75 lightrail.) We are within walking distance of a variety
> >> >> > of restaurants, theaters, museums, sporting events and evening
> >> >> > entertainment.
> >> >> > If you would like more information on downtown Phoenix please
> >> >> > visit www.downtownphoenix.com <http://www.downtownphoenix.com/> .
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Frances, please let me know what further information you will
> >> >> > need at this time. I look forward to your response. Terri
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Terri Hoffman
> >> >> >
> >> >> > National Sales Manager
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Wyndham Phoenix
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 50 East Adams Street
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Phoenix, Arizona 85004
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Phone: (602) 333-5119
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Fax: (602) 333-5181
> >> >> >
> >> >> > E-mail: Thoffman@phxhotel.com
> >> >> >
> >> >> > www.wyndhamphx.com
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >
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Sorry. Didn’t mean to send that entire thread. I’m still on my first cuppa.

Elaine

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I joined the list a month or two ago, when you first suggested it.
However, there’s only been the one message (yesterday) that I’ve seen
so far.

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:48 AM, Elaine Mami <ecmami@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I really want you both to be part of the RunACC list, hosted by Betsy
> Delaney.  There’s lots of good information there, and people with lots of
> experience to answer most of our questions.
>
> Elaine
> Chaise, CC30
>

Michael –
We did that for both Costume Con 3 and Costume Con 9. If you have
sufficient room and put your dealers around the perimeter and the
exhibits in the center and leave sufficient room for wide aisles, it can
work quite well. You will still probably want to hav a couple of people
inside the exhibit area just to keep an eye on things.

Marty

Michael wrote:

>
> Any opinions on putting Dealers & Exhibits in the same room.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Michael
>
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Thanks for all the input. I was at CC24 and have no recollection of
the dealers room. The areas will be supervised.

Michael

In a message dated 4/1/2010 12:13:51 AM Central Daylight Time,
bruno@soulmasque.com writes:

> I don’t think I’ve seen it done at CC.
>
>
>

They did it at CC24 in Des Moines. Along with Fan Tables.

Henry

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At CC25 we collected a list of attendees who wanted to receive information
on Future CCs which we then passed on to the seated committees at the time
(CC26, CC27 & CC28).
I know I have a copy of it stored on a disk with other CC25 info but what
did those committees do with it?
Have they added any to it? Will it get forwarded to CC29, CC30, etc.?

Nora

I don’t know if they used on passed on that info at all, but I would love to have a copy, which we will definitely pass along.

Elaine

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To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
From: casamai@sbcglobal.net
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 17:31:25 -0500
Subject: [runacc] Info for future CCs

At CC25 we collected a list of attendees who wanted to receive information
on Future CCs which we then passed on to the seated committees at the time
(CC26, CC27 & CC28).
I know I have a copy of it stored on a disk with other CC25 info but what
did those committees do with it?
Have they added any to it? Will it get forwarded to CC29, CC30, etc.?

Nora

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