Just a note to all you future con committees:

We’re happy to report that just about everyone is indicating on their
membership forms that they would like to be notified about future CCs. At
some point after CC25, we will be giving relevant groups a copy of our
database for use to build up mailing lists.

Bruce

Please let us know ASAP who and how many people will need tables to shill
for whaterver purpose – cons, bids, etc.

Bruce

Thanks to Judy Mitchell and to Karen and Ricky for providing the DVD of
the masquerade, the images from CC14 are FINALLY up on the
Costume-ConNections web site.

You will find them here:

http://costume-con.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=2916

Sad to say, the vast majority of images on the site are from the video,
which means the quality leaves a LOT to be desired. There are
approximately two dozen images from the Single Pattern competition,
which came to me courtesy of Margaret Richardson (they are Ken Warren’s
photos and are credited that way).

I have been hoping for the complete set of official photos, but although
I know several people who have either partial or full sets of the
photos, I’ve never received them. I know Pierre is investigating his own
archives for anything he has, so there may be further updates as images
are received.

At this point, only CC20 and CC24 are unrepresented by photos. I have
black-and-white images of CC20 (and may have color video snaps of the
con) by the end of December.

If you notice any errors, please let me know! I’ll be working on the
site again in December, as I’m trying Real Hard to finish a SF novel
I’ve been working on since high school, using National Novel Writing
Month (NaNoWriMo) as an excuse. I’ve made major progress and am loathe
to stop before the deadline of November 30.

If you have photos you’re willing to loan for the purposes of scanning,
or you’re willing to scan photos and send them my way (300 dpi,
please!), let me know as soon as possible, and please also let me know
who took the photos.

Thanks!

Enjoy,

Betsy Delaney
Costume-Con Archivist

—
—
Betsy Delaney

*************************************************************************
See my resume at: http://www.hawkeswood.com/betsywork.shtml
*************************************************************************

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

In a message dated 11/6/2006 10:33:43 PM Central Standard Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> Please let us know ASAP who and how many people will need tables to shill
> for whaterver purpose – cons, bids, etc.
>
>
>

Bruce,
I will need a combo table space for voting, my bid, and in case anyone
has questions about the FFS.
Henry of the Three Hats

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> Please let us know ASAP who and how many people will need tables to shill
> for whaterver purpose – cons, bids, etc.

Put CC26 down for a table, please.

andy

Or the CC26 Video Masquerade 😉

(ducking and running for cover)

K

osierhenry@cs.com wrote:

> Bruce,
> I will need a combo table space for voting, my bid, and in case anyone
> has questions about the FFS.
> Henry of the Three Hats
>
>

In a message dated 11/10/2006 12:33:56 PM Central Standard Time,
kevin@twistedimage.com writes:

> Or the CC26 Video Masquerade 😉
>
> (ducking and running for cover)
>
> K
>
> osierhenry@cs.com wrote:
> >Bruce,
> >I will need a combo table space for voting, my bid, and in case anyone
> >has questions about the FFS.
> >Henry of the Three Hats
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>

Four, four wonderful hats! (Insert thunder here!)
Henry

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Are you thinking of changing your name to Bartholomew Cubbins? (Always thought that would be a great stage presentation, if there were any practical way to pull it off.)

Tina

—– Original Message —–
From: osierhenry@cs.com<mailto:osierhenry@cs.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Tables at CC25

Four, four wonderful hats! (Insert thunder here!)
Henry

Visit Your Group <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/runacc;_ylc=X3oDMTJlNDFrcHB2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzk2NzQ3MTgEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3MzAwMzM3BHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc3RpbWUDMTE2MzE5NTQ2MQ–>
SPONSORED LINKS
a.. Costuming<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads;_ylc=X3oDMTJjbjBmdGJvBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9wAzEEZ3JwSWQDOTY3NDcxOARncnBzcElkAzE3MDczMDAzMzcEc2VjA3NsbW9kBHN0aW1lAzExNjMxOTU0NjY-?t=ms&k=Costuming&w1=Costuming&c=1&s=15&g=2&.sig=kbB8Oq1UUp8sVXkhjv8sDA>
Yahoo! TV
Staying in tonight?<http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12higp0mt/M=493064.8985665.9759897.8674578/D=groups/S=1707300337:NC/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1163202662/A=3848445/R=0/SIG=10t28jksf/*http://tv.yahoo.com/lineup/>

Check listings to

see what is on.

Market Online
Drive<http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12i8ekooc/M=493064.9337501.10154278.8674578/D=groups/S=1707300337:NC/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1163202662/A=4025347/R=0/SIG=12jnci1fd/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44092/*http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/srch/index.php> traffic to

your web site with

Sponsored Search.

Yahoo! Photos
Create your own<http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12hv5ki1m/M=493064.8985655.9760766.8674578/D=groups/S=1707300337:NC/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1163202662/A=3848635/R=0/SIG=10p8tommg/*http://photos.yahoo.com>

Photo Gifts
.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Already done?

http://costume-con.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=3835

Though I suppose it could be again (and again and again…).

Cheers,

Betsy

Tina wrote:

> Are you thinking of changing your name to Bartholomew Cubbins? (Always thought that would be a great stage presentation, if there were any practical way to pull it off.)
>
> Tina
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: osierhenry@cs.com<mailto:osierhenry@cs.com>
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 4:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [runacc] Tables at CC25
>
> Four, four wonderful hats! (Insert thunder here!)
> Henry
>
>
> Visit Your Group <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/runacc;_ylc=X3oDMTJlNDFrcHB2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzk2NzQ3MTgEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3MzAwMzM3BHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc3RpbWUDMTE2MzE5NTQ2MQ–>
> SPONSORED LINKS
> a.. Costuming<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads;_ylc=X3oDMTJjbjBmdGJvBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9wAzEEZ3JwSWQDOTY3NDcxOARncnBzcElkAzE3MDczMDAzMzcEc2VjA3NsbW9kBHN0aW1lAzExNjMxOTU0NjY-?t=ms&k=Costuming&w1=Costuming&c=1&s=15&g=2&.sig=kbB8Oq1UUp8sVXkhjv8sDA>
> Yahoo! TV
> Staying in tonight?<http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12higp0mt/M=493064.8985665.9759897.8674578/D=groups/S=1707300337:NC/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1163202662/A=3848445/R=0/SIG=10t28jksf/*http://tv.yahoo.com/lineup/>
>
> Check listings to
>
> see what is on.
>
> Market Online
> Drive<http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12i8ekooc/M=493064.9337501.10154278.8674578/D=groups/S=1707300337:NC/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1163202662/A=4025347/R=0/SIG=12jnci1fd/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44092/*http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/srch/index.php> traffic to
>
> your web site with
>
> Sponsored Search.
>
> Yahoo! Photos
> Create your own<http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12hv5ki1m/M=493064.8985655.9760766.8674578/D=groups/S=1707300337:NC/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1163202662/A=3848635/R=0/SIG=10p8tommg/*http://photos.yahoo.com>
>
> Photo Gifts
> .
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

—
—
Betsy Delaney

*************************************************************************
See my resume at: http://www.hawkeswood.com/betsywork.shtml
*************************************************************************

Hello!

Yesterday, I went to the Knowne World Costuming Symposium in Madison, WI.
Knowne World Costuming Symposium 2006 There were folks there who still fondly
remember CC21. Apparently, CC25 overlaps with some SCA events. I did encounter
one person from Californ-eye-aye and was excited to hear about CC26!

I also saw many excellent costumes!

Henry

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

On Nov 26, 2006, at 11:57 AM, osierhenry@cs.com wrote:

> Yesterday, I went to the Knowne World Costuming Symposium in
> Madison, WI.

Any word where it will be next year?

—
andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen
http://www.bovil.com/
“It’s not pink; it’s peach-colored. Pink is tacky.” –Manfred
Pfirsich Marie Rommel

In a message dated 11/27/2006 1:13:17 PM Central Standard Time,
attrembl@bovil.com writes:

> On Nov 26, 2006, at 11:57 AM, osierhenry@cs.com wrote:
> >Yesterday, I went to the Knowne World Costuming Symposium in
> >Madison, WI.
>
> Any word where it will be next year?
>
>
>
>
>

Nope. I do have the e-mail address for the person who ran it this year. I’ll
see if she knows.

Henry

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

The envelope with your pass-along check arrived Thanksgiving weekend.

Thanks from everyone at Costume-Con 26!

Kevin

Just a heads-up that PR 1 for CC26 has been mailed!

——– Original Message ——–
Subject: Costume-Con 26
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:43:21 -0800
From: Denisen Hartlove <dhartlove@ix.netcom.com>
To: <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>, <siliconweb@yahoogroups.com>

Hi everyone!

Am sending this email while wearing my hat as the CC26 Progress Reports
Maven.

Progress Report One for Costume-Con 26 is going out today, chock-a-block
full of useful information! All members should be receiving theirs
shortly in the mail! (For privacy purposes, we are using members’ badge
names as the addressee names on the labels.) In addition, as one of the
many, many services Costume-Con 26 is happy to provide to the costuming
community at large, this PR includes a membership form, so that members
can assist those who haven’t yet registered to do so while membership
rates are still low.

Thank you, and we’ll look forward to seeing you all in San Jose in April
of 2008!

Denisen Hartlove
Maven, Nudge, Mom

…from this year’s SMOFcon, held in Kansas City
<http://www.midamericon.org/smofcon/index.htm>. Yeah, I should have
probably mentioned this earlier for those of you conveniently close to KC.

SMOFcon (in case you didn’t know) is the annual convention of
conrunners. It’s heavily Worldcon-oriented, but not exclusively (one of
the big events is “The SMOFcon Inquisition” where active Worldcon bids
are grilled on their plans). SFSFC, our local big fannish con non-profit
corporation who operated ConFrancisco and ConJose, sponsors a few $500
“scholarships” for Bay Area folks involved in local and regional
conventions to go.

The one ugly report that came back is that SMOFcon 2006 was rather
haphazardly put together. This doesn’t reflect well on MAC’s KC in 2009
Worldcon bid.

SMOFcon 2007 will be in Boston <http://www.mcfi.org/smofcon/>. I don’t
know if we’re going (Boston in December? not likely…) but for those of
you on the east coast, it might be something worth planning. Word is the
focus of programming is going to be on marketing your convention and
boosting attendance…

andy

Andy —

Arisia is in January in the Boston area!

BTW, MCFI is the New England Worldcon-running group. It put on Noreascon IV. That suggests that the 2007 SMOFcon should be pretty well organized.

Byron
(who was at SMOFcon I, with Tina, IIRC)

—– Original Message —–
From: Andrew Trembley<mailto:attrembl@bovil.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 6:58 PM
Subject: [runacc] Reports are trickling back…

…from this year’s SMOFcon, held in Kansas City
<http://www.midamericon.org/smofcon/index.htm<http://www.midamericon.org/smofcon/index.htm>>. Yeah, I should have
probably mentioned this earlier for those of you conveniently close to KC.

SMOFcon (in case you didn’t know) is the annual convention of
conrunners. It’s heavily Worldcon-oriented, but not exclusively (one of
the big events is “The SMOFcon Inquisition” where active Worldcon bids
are grilled on their plans). SFSFC, our local big fannish con non-profit
corporation who operated ConFrancisco and ConJose, sponsors a few $500
“scholarships” for Bay Area folks involved in local and regional
conventions to go.

The one ugly report that came back is that SMOFcon 2006 was rather
haphazardly put together. This doesn’t reflect well on MAC’s KC in 2009
Worldcon bid.

SMOFcon 2007 will be in Boston <http://www.mcfi.org/smofcon/<http://www.mcfi.org/smofcon/>>. I don’t
know if we’re going (Boston in December? not likely…) but for those of
you on the east coast, it might be something worth planning. Word is the
focus of programming is going to be on marketing your convention and
boosting attendance…

andy

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Byron Connell wrote:

> Andy —
>
> Arisia is in January in the Boston area!
>

I never said that was sane either. The storm last week, though, was a
definite reminder of why I don’t like traveling north-ish in anything
that people refer to as “winter.” A lot of people didn’t make it to
SMOFcon because of the flight cancellations, reschedules and delays.

> BTW, MCFI is the New England Worldcon-running group. It put on Noreascon IV. That suggests that the 2007 SMOFcon should be pretty well organized.
>

MCFI definitely has a track record of solid organization.

andy

Hello!

I have found out that bidding for next year’s location is STILL in the air!
Apparently, they only decide about six months before the date of the next one.
So, if I hear anything, I will make sure to spread the word.

Henry

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

<http://www.locusmag.com/Conventions.html>

Probably want to get your con dates sent in…

andy

—
Andy Trembley, Bull-in-Drag
The Bovine Illuminati (It’s the Cows, Inc.)
http://www.bovil.com/
Moo!

I had an idea about affriming info & gathering photo releases at Registration & wanted to run it by people here to see if they think it would work. (And to see what points I may have missed.)

It goes like this:
1. Create a registration form (based on the existing form) for use at the convention itself. It would contain all the usual stuff but omit the rate scale, dealer info & whatever else is then irrelevant. Add a signature release paragraph that includes a statement verifying that all the information above is correct & allowing use of their photo or video image from the official sources to be used to promote CC25 & Costume-Con only.
2. Generate some of these forms from the registration database pre-filled with the info we have on pre-regged members. Thus we’d get verified info & releases from the pre-reg people.
3. Use these forms at registration for at-the-door members. Again – verified data & releases all at one time.

What does everyone think?

Nora

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

In a message dated 12/24/2006 9:19:11 AM Central Standard Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> I had an idea about affriming info &gathering photo releases at
> Registration &wanted to run it by people here to see if they think it would work. (And
> to see what points I may have missed.)
>
> What does everyone think?
>

Hmmm. Yea. Um, I’m going to have to kind of think about that. And my TPS
reports.

Henry

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I think it’s an excellent idea, and you should add a liability release
as well. I’m a prime example of why.

I wasn’t competing or judging at CCXV, or working tech, or any of the
other things I could have been doing at the con when I fell off the
stage and cracked my left rib.

Fortunately, I was the con chair.

Everyone who walks in the door for the con should be signing something
that says “I’m here at my own risk, and I’ll hold the con harmless if I
do something stupid.”

I think I’ve published our release form before. I don’t recall when. I
can *try* to discover it, if it’s in the folder on CCXV in my office and
not in the boxes Ricky picked up from me.

At a bare minimum, you should also consider running it by a lawyer, if
possible.

Or something.

Oh, and Merry Christmas by the way!

Betsy

osierhenry@cs.com wrote:

> In a message dated 12/24/2006 9:19:11 AM Central Standard Time,
> casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:
>
>>I had an idea about affriming info &gathering photo releases at
>>Registration &wanted to run it by people here to see if they think it would work. (And
>>to see what points I may have missed.)
>>
>>What does everyone think?
>>
>
>
>
> Hmmm. Yea. Um, I’m going to have to kind of think about that. And my TPS
> reports.
>
> Henry
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

—
—
Betsy Delaney

*************************************************************************
See my resume at: http://www.hawkeswood.com/betsywork.shtml
*************************************************************************

Over the last couple of days, I did some research using Costume-Con.org. It was an absolute joy to use!

Kudos to Betsy and her gnomes, and my thanks.

Byron

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Dave Clark (in charge of our dealers room) is trying to get a feeling
for what recent Costume-Cons have charged, how many dealers, etc as he
develops the design for the CC26 dealers room. While I may have a lot of
that, it’s all in ephemera, as most online information has, of course,
evaporated into the ether by now.

If any of you have that information to hand for your convention, could
you send it to him at dealers@cc26.info? It would be a tremendous help
to him.

Thanks!

Kevin
CC26 Chair

Richard Man had half a dozen photos of costumes nicely presented in the art show at Arisia last week. This looks to be an effective way to boost costuming’s profile among SF con goers and runners. Are any more con art shows in the offing? I have some influence with Lunacon and Philcon, if needed.

Byron

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Costume-ConNections is proud to announce that CC20 images have been
posted for the first time thanks to Wendy Wildermoth of the Australian
Costumers’ Guild, who graciously provided the images from her collection.

And, with many thanks to Pierre Pettinger for scanning the photos from
his CC14 collection, most of the images have been updated!

There is still one CC20 image missing (SF01), but steps are being taken
now to find a copy of that image.

I’ve been in touch with the photographer for CC24, and those photos will
be up on display shortly.

With the scanning of photos and replacement of the video snaps for CC1,
video snaps for the few remaining images for which I have no photos, and
the summary of data from each of the CCs (the last of the projects), the
Costume-Con archives online will be complete!

As always, if you have any corrections to make, please let me know!

You’ll find the images here:

http://costume-con.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=2916

and here:

http://costume-con.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=2928

Enjoy!

Betsy

—
—
Betsy Delaney

*************************************************************************
See my resume at: http://www.hawkeswood.com/betsywork.shtml
*************************************************************************

I’ve uploaded some examples of Photo, video & liability releases to the files for this list. I’m hoping to use them for CC25 & want some of you to look them over for input.
Like? Not like?

Nora

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the runacc
group.

File : /release examples.doc
Uploaded by : casamai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>
Description : Photo, Video & Liability release

You can access this file at the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/runacc/files/release%20examples.doc

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files

Regards,

casamai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>

I’ve uploaded some release example that we’re considering for CC25.
I’d like some feedback, though. Like? Don’t like?

Nora

Thanks, Nora!

I’ll have a look tomorrow. Waiting for my toes to finally thaw out from
today’s peace rally and this evening’s theatre workshop. I’ll have more
time on Monday, if you can wait that long…

Cheers,

Betsy

Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> I’ve uploaded some examples of Photo, video & liability releases to the files for this list. I’m hoping to use them for CC25 & want some of you to look them over for input.
> Like? Not like?
>
> Nora
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

—
—
Betsy Delaney

*************************************************************************
See my resume at: http://www.hawkeswood.com/betsywork.shtml
*************************************************************************

Equal enforcement of the masquerade rules is the cornerstone of fair
competition.

*Entry number 40, “The Idolm@ster”* has been disqualified from the Anime
Los Angeles 2007 masquerade competition for violating the rules, and
their award for “Best Choreography” has been revoked.

Rule #1 of the masquerade is “All contestants must be attending members
of Anime Los Angeles. If the maker and presenter are different people,
both must be attending members. Purchased and rented costumes may not be
entered.” One of the presenters in the entry was not a member of the
convention.

For details, see:
<http://community.livejournal.com/animelosangeles/46869.html>

Andy Trembley
Co-director
Anime Los Angeles 2007 Masquerade

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Equal enforcement of the masquerade rules is the cornerstone of fair
competition.

Entry number 20, “Stephane Kohlwey” has been disqualified from the
Anime Los Angeles 2007 masquerade competition for violating the
rules, and her Workmanship Award for “Excellence in Leather Bodice
Work” is hereby revoked.

Rule #1 of the masquerade is All contestants must be attending
members of Anime Los Angeles. If the maker and presenter are
different people, both must be attending members. Purchased and
rented costumes may not be entered.

The bodice and skirt combo that was the most prominent piece of
clothing in the entry was purchased from “Leg Avenue Costumes” and is
their “FAUX LEATHER UNDERWIRE LACE UP SIDE BUSTIEA LONG GOWN” (sic).
We have decided that adding streamers to the skirt and a line of trim
to the bottom of the bodice were not significant enough modifications
to comply with the rules.

For full details, please see

<http://community.livejournal.com/animelosangeles/48474.html>

Andy Trembley
Co-director
Anime Los Angeles 2007 Masquerade

In the Chicago area, there is a young fellow who does Dr. Frankenfurter. He
has done it enough times, and the same folks seem to either be running the
masq’s or judging them, so that the next time he enters, he will, if all goes
well, be in the masq as a Not In Competition.

Henry Osier
Chief Spy
Costume-Con 28 Bid in Milwaukee in 2010
www.SpyBid.org

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Got a question for the folks who have been through the CC ringer in the past.

We’ve just received two seperate requests for a refund on their memberships, due to financial obstacles. One involves 3 members at $255 + Poison Pen is having to back out ($215 – membership + tables). Ouch.

So – what kind of refund policy have you guys had in the past (if any)? Is there a cut off point at which there is no refund?

We didn’t run into this last time, so far as I know. Thoughts?

Bruce

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Well, we haven’t been through the wringer yet, but I’ve set up reg for
several other meetings and set our CC policy based on that experience:

We have a $25 cancellation fee (that will go up closer to the
convention, and finally there is no refund save for documented actual
emergencies, judged at the discretion of our officers).

We also point out that memberships are 100% transferrable for no fee and
encourage folks to see if someone else wants to buy their membership.

How’s that?

Kevin

Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

>
> Got a question for the folks who have been through the CC ringer in
> the past.
>
> We’ve just received two seperate requests for a refund on their
> memberships, due to financial obstacles. One involves 3 members at
> $255 + Poison Pen is having to back out ($215 – membership + tables).
> Ouch.
>
> So – what kind of refund policy have you guys had in the past (if
> any)? Is there a cut off point at which there is no refund?
>
> We didn’t run into this last time, so far as I know. Thoughts?
>
> Bruce
>
>

On the one hand, I’m with Kevin on this one. The individual memberships
are transferrable. (I’m proof of that, thanks to Ron and Janice Dallas.)

On the other hand, the latter’s trickier, since dealer space isn’t as
easy to simply swap.

Do you have a dealer waiting list? If so, you could, in theory, arrange
to sell the tables to another dealer and refund the money to Poison
Press on receipt of the money from new dealer.

It’s too hazy now, 10 years down the road, but I’m almost certain we ran
into this exact problem at CCXV, and if I recall correctly, that’s
precisely how we handled it. No replacement, no refund.

If the dealer purchased additional memberships, they should, in theory,
be responsible for locating individuals who want to buy them.

I don’t recall that we set a cancellation policy, since the transfer
option was in place from the beginning.

That’s the policy I’d set, if it were my con.

Your mileage may vary…..

Cheers,

Betsy

Kevin Roche, CC26 Convention Chair wrote:

> Well, we haven’t been through the wringer yet, but I’ve set up reg for
> several other meetings and set our CC policy based on that experience:
>
> We have a $25 cancellation fee (that will go up closer to the
> convention, and finally there is no refund save for documented actual
> emergencies, judged at the discretion of our officers).
>
> We also point out that memberships are 100% transferrable for no fee and
> encourage folks to see if someone else wants to buy their membership.
>
> How’s that?
>
> Kevin

—
—
Betsy Delaney

*************************************************************************
See my resume at: http://www.hawkeswood.com/betsywork.shtml
*************************************************************************

Bruce,

We had no requests at CC24 for a refund. Our policy at DemiCon has
been that financial shortfall is not enough of a reason to offer a
refund.

We’ve rolled memberships forward for reasons of illness or
unavoidable schedule conflicts (weddings, graduations, or if we
changed our dates). However I realize that rolling memberships is not
an option for a CC.

Les

—

Live, never to be ashamed if everything you do is published around the
world. Even if what is published is not true. — Richard Bach

On Feb 1, 2007, at 7:53 PM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> Got a question for the folks who have been through the CC ringer in
> the past.
>
> We’ve just received two seperate requests for a refund on their
> memberships, due to financial obstacles. One involves 3 members at
> $255 + Poison Pen is having to back out ($215 – membership +
> tables). Ouch.
>
> So – what kind of refund policy have you guys had in the past (if
> any)? Is there a cut off point at which there is no refund?
>
> We didn’t run into this last time, so far as I know. Thoughts?
>
> Bruce
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

No refunds if it’s gonna hurt the con.

Memberships can be sold traded transfered whatever, and it’s cool if you help them by posting it, .

Same with the dealers tables .

but with the dealers tables, you’ve said it was a sell out.
IF you have a waiting list, and someone wants them, then give Poison Pen thier money back.

If not, then at the very least wait till after con, see how many thousands in profit you have ( LOL) and grant her a refund if you decide.

but if you’ve been turning people away for her table, and now she wants out, and you can’t resell it, then I don’t see how this close in, you can afford to refund.

Ricky

dealers room co-ordinator cc5 and cc9

—– Original Message —–
From: Bruce & Nora Mai
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 8:53 PM
Subject: [runacc] Refunds

Got a question for the folks who have been through the CC ringer in the past.

We’ve just received two seperate requests for a refund on their memberships, due to financial obstacles. One involves 3 members at $255 + Poison Pen is having to back out ($215 – membership + tables). Ouch.

So – what kind of refund policy have you guys had in the past (if any)? Is there a cut off point at which there is no refund?

We didn’t run into this last time, so far as I know. Thoughts?

Bruce

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

——————————————————————————

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG Free Edition.
Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.18/662 – Release Date: 1/31/2007 3:16 PM

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Below is our transfer & Refund policy as it appears on the website.

www.cc25.net/Policies.htm

“Membership Transfer & Refund Policy:
Transfers
All Memberships are 100% transferable. Members who are unable to
attend
for whatever reason are encouraged to find purchasers for their
memberships.
The original purchaser of the membership is responsible for the
transaction,
making sure that the Membership Coordinator for CC25 receives the new
member’s contact information & that the new member receives all
promotional
materials the original purchaser has already received from the
Convention.
Refunds
Most Conventions do not refund memberships.
However we will consider refunds on a case by case basis. If a refund
is
granted, 50% of your original fee will be retained by the Convention
to
cover costs incurred due to the Member’s cancellation.
No refunds will be granted after February 26, 2007 (30 days prior to
the convention).
Past this date only absolute documented emergencies will be
considered
eligible for a refund.”

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

On Jan 26, 2007, at 1:01 PM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> I’ve uploaded some release example that we’re considering for CC25.
> I’d like some feedback, though. Like? Don’t like?
>
> Nora

The release forms we used for ALA are up at:
< http://www.animelosangeles.org/anime-la/2007/masq.pdf>
(page 3 + 4)

Short and simple is better than long and wordy.

The liability release we used is based on boilerplate but I don’t
remember where I found it.

The photo release is based on boilerplate supplied by a lawyer to a
professional photographer’s forum. For photo releases, it’s important
that the release indicates that license is given in exchange for
something (even if that “something” is just the right to participate
in the masquerade). Damned if I understand why, but I’ve heard this
from several lawyers.

The last bit is to stifle drama.

—
andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/

Play Internet Argument-Losing Bingo!
<http://www.shortpacked.com/d/20060405.html>

Jam it all together and it looks like the same length.

Bruce

—– Original Message —–
From: Andrew T Trembley
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Photo, video & liability release

On Jan 26, 2007, at 1:01 PM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
> I’ve uploaded some release example that we’re considering for CC25.
> I’d like some feedback, though. Like? Don’t like?
>
> Nora

The release forms we used for ALA are up at:
< http://www.animelosangeles.org/anime-la/2007/masq.pdf>
(page 3 + 4)

Short and simple is better than long and wordy.

The liability release we used is based on boilerplate but I don’t
remember where I found it.

The photo release is based on boilerplate supplied by a lawyer to a
professional photographer’s forum. For photo releases, it’s important
that the release indicates that license is given in exchange for
something (even if that “something” is just the right to participate
in the masquerade). Damned if I understand why, but I’ve heard this
from several lawyers.

The last bit is to stifle drama.

—
andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/

Play Internet Argument-Losing Bingo!
<http://www.shortpacked.com/d/20060405.html>

View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
Yahoo! Groups Links

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Andrew T Trembley wrote:

>
> On Jan 26, 2007, at 1:01 PM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
> > I’ve uploaded some release example that we’re considering for CC25.
> > I’d like some feedback, though. Like? Don’t like?
> >
> > Nora
>
> The release forms we used for ALA are up at:
> < http://www.animelosangeles.org/anime-la/2007/masq.pdf
> <http://www.animelosangeles.org/anime-la/2007/masq.pdf>>
> (page 3 + 4)
>
> Short and simple is better than long and wordy.
>
> The liability release we used is based on boilerplate but I don’t
> remember where I found it.
>
> The photo release is based on boilerplate supplied by a lawyer to a
> professional photographer’s forum. For photo releases, it’s important
> that the release indicates that license is given in exchange for
> something (even if that “something” is just the right to participate
> in the masquerade). Damned if I understand why, but I’ve heard this
> from several lawyers.
>

> *I**t is called “consideration” and is a basic part of U.S. common and
> commercial law. No contract or license is valid without consideration
> being given in exchange for whatever. (And that’s from basic contract
> law courses taken 40+ years ago.)*
>

^M^

>
> MARTY –
>

> The last bit is to stifle drama.
>
> andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
> <http://www.bovil.com/>
>
> Play Internet Argument-Losing Bingo!
> <http://www.shortpacked.com/d/20060405.html
> <http://www.shortpacked.com/d/20060405.html>>
>
>

<http://bovil.livejournal.com/241271.html>

Anybody willing to look this over for me? Particularly folks who are
running CC masquerades?

—
andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
San Jose, CA – ’72 R75/5 ’86 R100 (mine) – ’92 K75sa ’03 R1150R
(Kevin’s)
…remaining .sig trimmed for better message/.sig ratio

At 07:56 PM 2/5/2007, you wrote:

>On Jan 26, 2007, at 1:01 PM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
> > I’ve uploaded some release example that we’re considering for CC25.
> > I’d like some feedback, though. Like? Don’t like?
> >
> > Nora
>
>The release forms we used for ALA are up at:
>< http://www.animelosangeles.org/anime-la/2007/masq.pdf>
>(page 3 + 4)
>
>Short and simple is better than long and wordy.
>
>The liability release we used is based on boilerplate but I don’t
>remember where I found it.
>
>The photo release is based on boilerplate supplied by a lawyer to a
>professional photographer’s forum. For photo releases, it’s important
>that the release indicates that license is given in exchange for
>something (even if that “something” is just the right to participate
>in the masquerade). Damned if I understand why, but I’ve heard this
>from several lawyers.

Not being a lawyer, I’ll hazard a guess. Its likely that, since the
signer is being asked to give up something (in this case the photo
rights) it becomes a contract. I believe to be valid, a contract
requires a quid pro quo, in this case the right to participate in the
masquerade.

Pierre

>The last bit is to stifle drama.
>
>–
>andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
>
>Play Internet Argument-Losing Bingo!
><http://www.shortpacked.com/d/20060405.html>
>
>
>
>View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

“Those Who Fail To Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly —
Why They Are Simply Doomed.

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C.Y. 4971

Andromeda

Don’t forget video – at least a fixed camera for convention and ICG archives.

Pierre

At 07:40 PM 2/6/2007, you wrote:

><http://bovil.livejournal.com/241271.html>
>
>Anybody willing to look this over for me? Particularly folks who are
>running CC masquerades?
>
>–
>andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
>San Jose, CA – ’72 R75/5 ’86 R100 (mine) – ’92 K75sa ’03 R1150R
>(Kevin’s)
>…remaining .sig trimmed for better message/.sig ratio

“Those Who Fail To Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly —
Why They Are Simply Doomed.

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C.Y. 4971

Andromeda

Andy,

Sorry, but I can’t read it.

Elaine

Nil significat nisi oscillat!

>
><http://bovil.livejournal.com/241271.html>
>
>Anybody willing to look this over for me? Particularly folks who are
>running CC masquerades?
>
>–
>andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
>San Jose, CA – ’72 R75/5 ’86 R100 (mine) – ’92 K75sa ’03 R1150R
>(Kevin’s)
>…remaining .sig trimmed for better message/.sig ratio
>

_________________________________________________________________
Don�t miss your chance to WIN 10 hours of private jet travel from Microsoft
Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0540002499mrt/direct/01/

I just posted changes to the Costume-Con/nections/ web site. You may be
interested in reading the message on the home page.

http://costume-con.org/index.shtml

I’m going to curl up and go to sleep now.

Cheers,

Betsy
—
—
Betsy Delaney

*************************************************************************
See my resume at: http://www.hawkeswood.com/betsywork.shtml
*************************************************************************

Yahoo! Groups Links

—
—
Betsy Delaney

*************************************************************************
See my resume at: http://www.hawkeswood.com/betsywork.shtml
*************************************************************************

We leave for Costume-Con 25 tomorrow and will be out of E-mail touch until April 9, so I’m signing off for now.

If I don’t see you at the con, I’ll be back in a couple of weeks.

Byron

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

So we got back home somewhere around 11:30 today, after having one more look around the hotel before we checked out.

Overall, from feedback we’ve received, we did pretty good. Also, even without looking at the books yet, we did better than break even. Keep an eye on the D list over the next few days for posts regarding what went one. I think we’ll hold off on making a full post-con report until after our post-mortem meeting in about 3 weeks, which will include what we thought worked as well as what didn’t.

For now, we’re satisfied we did the best job we could and it seemed to pay off.

FYI, there’s been some good postings on Cosplay.com as well.

Bruce

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]