In a message dated 6/20/2005 3:49:37 PM Central Daylight Time,
dave@techvoice.com writes:

> Third, because of the communications issues,etc.
>
> The same issue came up on Monday. In order to reach the 6PM deadline for
> teardown, several volunteers had to pitch in so she could be packed up
> ready to go.

Now that you mention those, I remember the same things with CC21.
Henry

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Just to clarify on this specific point, if I ever run another CC, I’d love to
have Janet bring the Alteryears truck. Of course, I’d also like to see Ricky &
Karen in the dealers’ room, too.

Henry

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Charles mentioned something that sparked another thought I have about the
Dealers’ Room at a CC. I like to see some of the better known big name dealers,
like Janet/Alteryears or Ricky & Karen/Caslte Blood, but I also like seeing
local unique dealers that have things that people usually do not see at a CC.

The big key, in my opinion, is finding the balance, both dealer-wise and
area-wise. Before CC21, I talked to a Cowboy dealer who said he could bring a
truck slightly bigger than Janet’s. His business has good stuff,
http://www.riverjunction.com/, by the way, but taking up that much space is not good towards
other dealers. I was e-mailing to some people about trying to time a Milwaukee
CC with the big Bead & Button show that happens here,
http://www.beadandbuttonshow.com/, but wisely advised that having a CC at the same time as them might
but a big hurt on the dealers I had at CC.

So, I think that its a careful balance between Fame and Uniqueness and Area
vs. Quantity.

Henry

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>Henry wrote:

“I also like seeing local unique dealers that have things that people
usually do not see at a CC.”

I agree. I think it is important to reach out to local vendors, first, as
you say, as a way of providing a different variety of goods. Another good
reason is as a way of leaving a legacy for having a CC in that area.
Everyone in Utah remembers the Olympics, in part because of the many
business and international contacts made. It would be good for local
businesses to remember how good the CC was. Finally, it serves as a boost
for any existing ICG chapter in the area–cross-promoting each other,
discounts, etc.

The challenge we found here in Ogden was in making the case financially to
the local vendors. Since they would have to keep both a storefront and the
dealer’s room table(s) staffed, it is harder for them than a Janet for
example, whose shop is the table(s) each weekend.

Also, a CC was an entirely unknown quantity to the vendors, having never
been to one nor seen the traffic/value of being at one.

Dave Doering

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There are some other factors. I did call one local special effects make-up company, and they had been to CONduit, and not really sold anything. Although the market among costumers would have been better, it was still likely to be low — costumers tend to build their own stuff, rather than pay for custom work.

So, since many of the CC-23 attendees were from out-of-area, the sales needed to be at the event, or later mail-orders. The vendors did not expect the CC exposure to generate a lot of later local sales.

Charles

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I do not believe that does not include membership, presently.

Bruce

—– Original Message —–
From: “Ricky & Karen Dick” <castleb@pulsenet.com>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Dealers tables/membership question

> Does your $105 include one membership?
>
> –Karen
>
> At 05:07 PM 6/19/2005 -0500, you wrote:
> >We’re trying to make a decision on how much to charge for dealers table
for
> >CC25. Right now, we’re considering making tables $105 for a table (less
for
> >additional tables) and memberships about $65 for one and additional
> >memberships at a slightly reduced rate.
> >
> >We heard that CC24 has a rather low rate of $50 per table (no membership
> >included). Is this correct?
> >
> >We’d like opinions and stats on what the other committees have
charged/will
> >charge and whether our rates are too high, or about right.
> >
> >Bruce
> >
> >
> >
> >View the Document:
>
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ocedure/runacc/
> >
> >
> >
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—– Original Message —–
From: “David Doering” <dave@techvoice.com>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Dealing with Janet Wilson-Anderson

>
> >Charles wrote about numbers of dealers and such.

>
> We would have liked to have known something of other CC dealers rooms,
> particularly number of dealers compared with attendance. It’s probably
> impossible to find out, but trying to get some feedback from dealers as to
> “was it worth it?” might be key here. Can a 250-person CC support six
> dealers, eight dealers, what? What can a 500-person con do?
>

Had you asked I could probably supplied you with that info. I imagine Betsy
could have too. I think we had around 8 – 10 dealers for our approximate
$220 on-site attendees. From what I heard, most barely covered their costs.
But what was significant, and satisfying, was ttey had such a good time at
CC16 that they didn’t mind too much. I think Kathy Evans’ first CC was ours
and apparently she’s been sold on them ever since.

Bruce

Not impossible to find – just time consuming right now. I have all the
programs from ALL the CCs with the exception (I think) of CC6. I can
reconstruct the dealer statistics by hand, though this should,
eventually, be an automatic process.

Anyone desiring stats like these should *ask me* for them.

Hint.

Betsy

Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> —– Original Message —–
> From: “David Doering” <dave@techvoice.com>
> To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 6:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [runacc] Dealing with Janet Wilson-Anderson
>
>
>
>>>Charles wrote about numbers of dealers and such.
>
>
>>We would have liked to have known something of other CC dealers rooms,
>>particularly number of dealers compared with attendance. It’s probably
>>impossible to find out, but trying to get some feedback from dealers as to
>>”was it worth it?” might be key here. Can a 250-person CC support six
>>dealers, eight dealers, what? What can a 500-person con do?
>>
>
>
>
> Had you asked I could probably supplied you with that info. I imagine Betsy
> could have too. I think we had around 8 – 10 dealers for our approximate
> $220 on-site attendees. From what I heard, most barely covered their costs.
> But what was significant, and satisfying, was ttey had such a good time at
> CC16 that they didn’t mind too much. I think Kathy Evans’ first CC was ours
> and apparently she’s been sold on them ever since.
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

At CC 10, we persuaded a local independent fabric shop/sewing machine
dealer to come in to our dealer’s room. I don’t remember what our table
charge was, but I think they paid $400 or $500 for 4 tables plus a
full-page ad in the program book. It turned out she was pleased – she sold
3 machines, plus other stuff. I think we persuaded her to bring basics
also – scissors, thread, needles, stuff like that – since we didn’t have
stores nearby it would provide a way to get emergency supplies. I realize
that would be unusual most times, but this seemed to work. One of the
machine purchasers was Lisa Ashton, and yes, she had her machine shipped to
her.

We also had Classic Trims, which turned out to be sort-of local
(Minneapolis or Chicago -based, I think) but they have since sold the
company and I’m not sure what happened after that. Of course, we didn’t
know about Calontir Trim at the time……

Sandy

“Those Who Fail To Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly —
Why They Are Simply Doomed.

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C.Y. 4971

Andromeda

Just a FYI, I have been chatting with Janet via e-mails since CC23 about
patterns and stuff. She tells me that she is in the process of hiring some staff
for her business.

Henry

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Is CC24 or CC25 planning to try a video masquerade? We’re planning one.
Henry is our VMD. (No, it’s Enrique who’s a WMD.)

If there’s a Video Masquerade at CC25, I’d like to know when
submissions close so (like folio) we can announce we’re accepting
submissions immediately after 25’s closure.

The freedom and flexibility that video masquerade allows (because, like
the folio, only passing entries are shown) may make this competition
appealing to cosplayers and others who want longer time limits, the
right to speak (on camera, rather than on stage), and fancier
theatrical support.

—
andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
San Jose, CA – ’72 R75/5 ’86 R100 (mine) – ’92 K75sa ’03 R1150R
(Kevin’s)
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At this time, we have no plans for a video masquerade. That doesn’t mean we
couldn’t have them – just no one has expressed any interest.

Bruce

—– Original Message —–
From: “Andrew T Trembley” <attrembl@bovil.com>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 8:46 PM
Subject: [runacc] Video Masquerade?

> Is CC24 or CC25 planning to try a video masquerade? We’re planning one.
> Henry is our VMD. (No, it’s Enrique who’s a WMD.)
>
> If there’s a Video Masquerade at CC25, I’d like to know when
> submissions close so (like folio) we can announce we’re accepting
> submissions immediately after 25’s closure.
>
> The freedom and flexibility that video masquerade allows (because, like
> the folio, only passing entries are shown) may make this competition
> appealing to cosplayers and others who want longer time limits, the
> right to speak (on camera, rather than on stage), and fancier
> theatrical support.
>
> —
> andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
> San Jose, CA – ’72 R75/5 ’86 R100 (mine) – ’92 K75sa ’03 R1150R
> (Kevin’s)
> …remaining .sig trimmed for better message/.sig ratio
>
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

Hi!!!

Take a little advice from the CC Chair who introduced the contest, and
advertise this AS SOON AS YOU CAN!!!

The more lead time folks have to produce their pieces, the more likely
you are to have more than a few entries.

Don’t wait. Really!

Betsy
(Wearing her CCXV hat for the first time in a LONG time!)

Andrew T Trembley wrote:

> Is CC24 or CC25 planning to try a video masquerade? We’re planning one.
> Henry is our VMD. (No, it’s Enrique who’s a WMD.)
>
> If there’s a Video Masquerade at CC25, I’d like to know when
> submissions close so (like folio) we can announce we’re accepting
> submissions immediately after 25’s closure.
>
> The freedom and flexibility that video masquerade allows (because, like
> the folio, only passing entries are shown) may make this competition
> appealing to cosplayers and others who want longer time limits, the
> right to speak (on camera, rather than on stage), and fancier
> theatrical support.
>

In a message dated 7/8/2005 7:45:46 AM Central Daylight Time,
bdelaney@hawkeswood.com writes:

> …advertise this AS SOON AS YOU CAN!!!

I agree with Betsy, totally! And not because I’m CC26’s VMD! As someone who
used to work in television, I love the concept!

And I intend to have rules that encourage just about anyone to enter,
including staff for CC26! As soon as I flush out an idea I have, I’m going to put
together an example entry.

Henry
who just keeps volunteering for CC’s

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We have ratified bylaws for the Unconventional Foundation. Hurrah!

And the ficititious business name and business license applications are
en route to the appropriate offices. Which means we *might* be able to
start selling supporting memberships in Glasgow.

Kevin

Glad to hear it.

Speaking of paperwork, have the site selection checks from Utah been banked
yet? Just curious.

Tina

—– Original Message —–
From: “Kevin Roche” <kevin@twistedimage.com>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>; <cc26sv-staff@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 9:28 AM
Subject: [runacc] CC26 paperwork update

> We have ratified bylaws for the Unconventional Foundation. Hurrah!
>
> And the ficititious business name and business license applications are
> en route to the appropriate offices. Which means we *might* be able to
> start selling supporting memberships in Glasgow.
>
> Kevin
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

Can the next couple of CCs please let me know ASAP what issues may arise
in fundraising for the Costume-Con Archives. I just received two very
large boxes full of donations from Kelly Turner, which I plan to bring
to at least Des Moines for the purpose of raffling or auctioning or some
other method of disposal to raise funds.

I want to be sure I understand the rules, and I have a fuzzy
recollection of talking with Sally about issues concerning raffles in Iowa.

Please let me know what’s up!

Thanks,

Betsy

No, they have not. Bit of bureaucracy bit me on the bum:
1) have to have the fictitious business name to bank checks made out to CC26
2) had to ratify UCF bylaws to apply for FBN and business license
3) #2 delayed by wedding and Westercon aka life
4) bank now informs me we can’t open the account until 30 days after FBN
and license are issued. (OUCH! what bit me?)

My bank officer is checking to see if she can bend the rules on #4 so I
can make the deposit sooner.
Color me embarassed, but I needed the time to get the wedding and W’Con
out of the way.

Kevin

Tina Connell wrote:

>Glad to hear it.
>
>Speaking of paperwork, have the site selection checks from Utah been banked
>yet? Just curious.
>
>Tina
>
>
>
>

Well “life” (and silly banking regulations) explains it. I did wonder,
since I knew that ours hadn’t been cleared yet. Regarding bending rules,
you might want to ask your bank how many months after the check date they
will honor a check. If for some reason they won’t within the time frame you
are being forced to work with, we will be glad to issue a replacement for
ours.

Tina

—– Original Message —–
From: “Kevin Roche” <kevin@twistedimage.com>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] CC26 paperwork update

> No, they have not. Bit of bureaucracy bit me on the bum:
> 1) have to have the fictitious business name to bank checks made out to
> CC26
> 2) had to ratify UCF bylaws to apply for FBN and business license
> 3) #2 delayed by wedding and Westercon aka life
> 4) bank now informs me we can’t open the account until 30 days after FBN
> and license are issued. (OUCH! what bit me?)
>
> My bank officer is checking to see if she can bend the rules on #4 so I
> can make the deposit sooner.
> Color me embarassed, but I needed the time to get the wedding and W’Con
> out of the way.
>
> Kevin

Andy and I will be hosting a League of Evil Geniuses reception in a
medium-sized function room Friday night at Interaction.

Any seated Costume-Cons or CC bids are certainly welcome to have
promotional material there.

Kevin

Kevin,
When are you leaving for there?
Henry

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we leave the morning of August 1 (a week from Monday)

osierhenry@cs.com wrote:

>Kevin,
> When are you leaving for there?
> Henry
>
>
>

Kevin,
I’ll try hard to get something to you before you go!
Henry

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we’re staying at the Hilton. You can always send it there care of us.
And that frees up weight in our luggage 😉

osierhenry@cs.com wrote:

>Kevin,
> I’ll try hard to get something to you before you go!
> Henry
>
>

In a message dated 7/22/2005 5:29:52 PM Central Daylight Time,
kevin@twistedimage.com writes:

> we’re staying at the Hilton. You can always send it there care of us.
> And that frees up weight in our luggage 😉

Will do that instead! Address is on the worldcon website, yes?
Henry

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*Be sure to mark it to me… guest arriving Aug 2, 2005!

Hilton Glasgow*
1 William Street, City Centre,
Glasgow, Strathclyde,
Scotland, G3 8HT
*Telephone:* +44 (0)141 204 5555
*Fax:* +44 (0)141 204 5004

Kevin

osierhenry@cs.com wrote:

>In a message dated 7/22/2005 5:29:52 PM Central Daylight Time,
>kevin@twistedimage.com writes:
>
>
>>we’re staying at the Hilton. You can always send it there care of us.
>>And that frees up weight in our luggage 😉
>>
>>
>Will do that instead! Address is on the worldcon website, yes?
>Henry
>
>
>
>

You got it, Kevin!
Henry

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We now have our San Jose business license and the ficticious business
name on file!

(complicated by the fact that another non-profit I helped incorporate is
STILL using my home as their address. I haven’t been on that board for a
year and a half. argh. They’ve been informed in no uncertain terms that
that they must file amendments asap, and the City of SJ graciously
allowed us to get the business license in the meantime.)

So, we won’t have the bank account before Interaction, but we are ready
to roll as soon as the CEO and CFO get back from Scotland. And we can
start the non-profit status applications for the IRS and CA Franchise
Tax board. Hurrah!

Kevin
only 3 days until departure!

PS oh, and in return for my organizing the half-time at Interaction,
they gave CC26 a free ad in the slide-show they are running at all the
major venue events. I included a bump for CC24 and CC25 in the ad.
PPS Karen, the service mark statement is in the fine print on that
slide, too (in the correct order this time)

oops. Can you spell “fictitious”. I knew you could. Sentiments still
apply 🙂

Kevin Roche wrote:

>We now have our San Jose business license and the ficticious business
>name on file!
>

You can’t have more than one business at an address in San Jose? That must put a bit of a crimp into office building rental!

See yo in Glasgow,

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: Kevin Roche<mailto:kevin@twistedimage.com>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com> ; cc26sv-staff@yahoogroups.com<mailto:cc26sv-staff@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 2:05 AM
Subject: [runacc] Wahoo! Legality is a good thing.

We now have our San Jose business license and the ficticious business
name on file!

(complicated by the fact that another non-profit I helped incorporate is
STILL using my home as their address. I haven’t been on that board for a
year and a half. argh. They’ve been informed in no uncertain terms that
that they must file amendments asap, and the City of SJ graciously
allowed us to get the business license in the meantime.)

So, we won’t have the bank account before Interaction, but we are ready
to roll as soon as the CEO and CFO get back from Scotland. And we can
start the non-profit status applications for the IRS and CA Franchise
Tax board. Hurrah!

Kevin
only 3 days until departure!

PS oh, and in return for my organizing the half-time at Interaction,
they gave CC26 a free ad in the slide-show they are running at all the
major venue events. I included a bump for CC24 and CC25 in the ad.
PPS Karen, the service mark statement is in the fine print on that
slide, too (in the correct order this time)

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I believe the difficulty is that this is a *home* address and one is a
501(c)7 and the other is planning to apply for 501(c)3 status?

They did give us the license.

Kevin

Byron Connell wrote:

>You can’t have more than one business at an address in San Jose? That must put a bit of a crimp into office building rental!
>
>See yo in Glasgow,
>
>Byron
>
>
>
>

On Jul 31, 2005, at 6:02 PM, Kevin Roche wrote:

> Byron Connell wrote:
>> You can’t have more than one business at an address in San Jose?
>> That must put a bit of a crimp into office building rental!
> I believe the difficulty is that this is a *home* address and one is a
> 501(c)7 and the other is planning to apply for 501(c)3 status?
>
> They did give us the license.

The address is a key field in their database.

For business space rentals, the physical address usually includes a
“suite number” or other sort of building information that makes the
address unique. They generally expect, if there are multiple names of
businesses operating at the precisely same address that it’s multiple
names for the same business.

They created a “suite number” for me when I registered the license.

—
andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
San Jose, CA – ’72 R75/5 ’86 R100 (mine) – ’92 K75sa ’03 R1150R
(Kevin’s)
…remaining .sig trimmed for better message/.sig ratio

We have a box full of leftover Future Fashio Folios from CC22. What
can we do with them? Are we allowed to give them away? Toss them? Any
thoughts would be welcome. Thanks –

TL

Your con paid for them, so you’re allowed to distribute them (or toss them)
as you will.

–Karen

At 03:42 PM 8/20/2005 +0000, you wrote:

>We have a box full of leftover Future Fashio Folios from CC22. What
>can we do with them? Are we allowed to give them away? Toss them? Any
>thoughts would be welcome. Thanks –
>
>TL
>
>
>
>
>
>View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Quick question:

Under whose budget does any Green Room snacks fall under?

Bruce

Bruce:

You asked: “Under whose budget does any Green Room snacks fall under?”

For CC23, we put Green Room under the Masquerades Budget.

Dave Doering

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On Sep 12, 2005, at 5:55 PM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> Quick question:
>
> Under whose budget does any Green Room snacks fall under?

Depends on how your org chart sorts out.

I believe our plan is to have a “show infrastructure” division that has
stage crew, green room crew, house crew, tech crew and all those common
functions grouped together. Therefore, in our budget, it would be in
the show infrastructure allocation.

—
andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
San Jose, CA – ’72 R75/5 ’86 R100 (mine) – ’92 K75sa ’03 R1150R
(Kevin’s)
“It’s not pink, it’s peach-colored. Pink is tacky.”
–Manfred Pfirsich Marie Rommel

2nd most important safety device on my bike: the one beneath my right
hand
Most important safety device on my bike: the one inside my helmet

At 23, the Green Room food was under each masquerade’s budget. Most of the time, however, green room food is budgeted centrally, I believe. When I’ve run green rooms, I have preferred to negotiate with the concom rather than separately with each MD.

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: Bruce & Nora Mai<mailto:casamai@sbcglobal.net>
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 8:55 PM
Subject: [runacc] Green Room goodies

Quick question:

Under whose budget does any Green Room snacks fall under?

Bruce

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Hey, folks…

I don’t remember if there are any people on this list who aren’t on
ICG-D or who don’t have access to this information, but I thought it
would be a good idea to forward this information here.

On a personal note, Kelly’s birthday and mine are the same. He was two
years older than I am. Frell.

I will be adjusting Costume-Con.org to list his obituary and Bobby’s
(since I failed to deal with that when I should have), but please note
that we have adjusted the Service Mark statement in the ConStitution and
on the site, effective immediately.

Would those of you who are dealing with CC web sites please make the
appropriate changes at your earliest convenience? If there are any other
changes to make, we’ll let you know.

If you have any questions, please let me know.

Thanks,

Betsy

——– Original Message ——–
Subject: RE: [ICG-D] RIP Kelly Turner 1961-2005
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 13:47:10 -0400
From: Ricky & Karen Dick <castleb@pulsenet.com>
Reply-To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com
To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com

Kelly Turner, November 6, 1961-September 18, 2005

Kelly Turner passed away today after a brief and completely unexpected
illness. He was rushed to Irvine Medical Center on September 5th with an
extremely high temperature, extremely low blood pressure, and possible
organ damage. He remained in Intensive Care for several days while doctors
attempted to stabilize him and figure out what had happened. Despite their
best efforts, including dialysis to take the load off his organs, he fell
into a persistent vegetative state on September 13th, with no brain
activity. He had a Living Will and left explicit instructions that
extraordinary measures should not be taken to preserve his life, so life
support was withdrawn yesterday afternoon, in the presence of his family,
in accordance with his wishes. He passed peacefully in his sleep this
morning in the arms of his life partner.

Kelly is survived by his mother, Rosetta Turner, three older siblings, and
by his life partner, Tom Grossinger.

Cards and flowers may be sent to:

Mrs. Etta Turner
971 Bordon Road #153
San Marcos, CA 92069

Tom Grossinger
320 South 13th Street
San Jose, CA 95112

Plans for a memorial service are forthcoming, and will be announced here
when they are known.

Kelly was an active fan and costumer in the 70’s, 80’s, and early 90’s. He
was part of the crew that built the “V’Ger Flyby” sets for STAR TREK: THE
MOTION PICTURE in 1979. He worked on the committees of Costume-Con 1 and 2,
and chaired Costume-Con 6. He was Masquerade Director for the 1986
Westercon in San Diego. He was the managing editor of the first nine
editions of The Whole Costumer’s Catalogue. He also was the editor of
Costumer’s Quarterly for the ICG for several years. He competed in the
Master division, and his costume credits include THE EGYPTIAN GODS,
PYROGENESIS, TURN OF A FRIENDLY CARD, and NIGHT ON BALD MOUNTAIN. In real
life, Kelly worked in the video game industry. He started as a programmer
at the coin-op division of Atari in 1984 (his games included Super Sprint,
Vindicators, and Tetris). Over the last 20 years, he worked in virtually
every aspect of development and production at such companies as Atari, P.F.
Magic, Virgin Interactive, Rhythm & Hues, The 3DO Company, and Eidos. Most
recently, he was Executive Producer of external development at Eidos, Inc,
and sat on the Board of Governors of the Producer’s Guild of America’s New
Media Council.

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I know that this idea has been tossed around a bit here and there. and
possibly here, but what is anyone’s thoughts about taking membership payments via
PayPal?

Henry Osier

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Utah did it and I loved it.

I see lots of folks requesting to use paypal for many different
conventions and such.

JohnO

osierhenry@cs.com wrote:

> I know that this idea has been tossed around a bit here and there. and
> possibly here, but what is anyone’s thoughts about taking membership
> payments via
> PayPal?

On Sep 28, 2005, at 5:24 PM, osierhenry@cs.com wrote:

> I know that this idea has been tossed around a bit here and there. and
> possibly here, but what is anyone’s thoughts about taking membership
> payments via
> PayPal?

Set your rates to account for paypal fees, the people who want to will,
the people who don’t use paypal or hate paypal will send checks and you
get a few bucks bonus.

Oh, and have somebody carefully manage the paypal account and pull the
money out on a regular basis so if they decide to screw with you you’re
only out a small amount.

—
andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
San Jose, CA – ’72 R75/5 ’86 R100 (mine) – ’92 K75sa ’03 R1150R
(Kevin’s)
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osierhenry@cs.com wrote:

“…what is anyone’s thoughts about taking membership payments via PayPal?”

John wrote:

“Utah did it and I loved it.”

Speaking from our experience here in Utah then, I would say that it
almost is essential that either you use PayPal or another credit-card
accepting service. We had our first memberships come in on PayPal
within 24 hours of putting the service online. In the end, over 1/3
of our members used PayPal to sign up. (I guess many of us no longer
carry around checkbooks or will send cash in the mail.)

Also, it is dead simple to set up a PayPal account, so it shouldn’t
be a hassle.

Yes, it is true that they take 3% for their fees, but those could be
added in as a “convenience fee” without much objection. For CC23, we
simply included the fee as part of the membership.

Dave Doering
Chair
CC23: Utah

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Andy wrote:

> Oh, and have somebody carefully manage the paypal account

Andy’s right. Unlike regular credit card/merchant accounts, PayPal is its
own unique program. So they can (and have) withdrawn money out of bank
accounts to refund people without consulting with the seller. They don’t
have a voice telephone, so negotiations have to go through their
electronic processes.

To protect our accounts, we created a specific PayPal Money Market account
at the bank to receive/make PayPal payments. We would then transfer funds
out anytime we had over $200.00 in it. Also, we would only put in
additional amounts as needed to make payments.

(For example, we used PayPal to rapidly handle expenses on the Future
Fashion Folio and keep on schedule.)

The other advantage of PayPal I didn’t mention is that there’s little
hassle in qualifying. Merchant accounts can be a problem setting up
locally because we have no track record and are only going to be putting
on the one event. Heavily promoted online credit card services can
sometimes be as bad as PayPal (not sending you the money, for example). At
least you can read about PayPal.

In the end, we never had a problem with PayPal, but it always could have
happened.

Dave Doering

This has been bouncing around some lists lately and has come to my
personal attention regarding my theater photography.

As part of general membership forms and masquerade/fff/event entry
forms, should a general model photo release to the CC be included
and/or rights restriction on other photographers be included?

Model Release to ease future CC promotion and archiving.

Rights Restriction, to keep others from profiting from an event we
provide, unless they share the profits with the CC.

Thoughts?

JohnO

John –
I have had a model release as a part of my masquerade registration forms
since the early 1980’s. I had not really thought of a Rights
Restriction” other than the stipulation/prohibition for the
photographers that forbid using the pictures for “Commercial Purposes”
which does not include the sale of their pictures. I’d be interested to
see what you come up with in the way of language for the rights restriction.

Marty

John O’Halloran wrote:

>This has been bouncing around some lists lately and has come to my
>personal attention regarding my theater photography.
>
>As part of general membership forms and masquerade/fff/event entry
>forms, should a general model photo release to the CC be included
>and/or rights restriction on other photographers be included?
>
>Model Release to ease future CC promotion and archiving.
>
>Rights Restriction, to keep others from profiting from an event we
>provide, unless they share the profits with the CC.
>
>Thoughts?
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> JohnO
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>View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
>Yahoo! Groups Links
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In a message dated 10/1/2005 3:47:53 PM Central Daylight Time,
JohnO@TyeDye.Org writes:

> As part of general membership forms and masquerade/fff/event entry
> forms, should a general model photo release to the CC be included
> and/or rights restriction on other photographers be included?

At CC21, we had folks sign one when they got their membership. We figured
that this would cover people in the hall snapping photos, in case they put them
up on their own website.

Henry Osier
Co-Chair, CC21
who still keeps volunteering to work cons

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It would seem to me that we did some sort of blanket release form for
CCXV, but I could be misremembering.

I’m resurfacing after the close of the play. Got some cleaning up to do
(and a sick kid to deal with this week, in advance of her birthday
party), but I could see if resurrecting the paperwork might be possible
at some point.

Just let me know…

Thanks,

Betsy

osierhenry@cs.com wrote:

> In a message dated 10/1/2005 3:47:53 PM Central Daylight Time,
> JohnO@TyeDye.Org writes:
>
>>As part of general membership forms and masquerade/fff/event entry
>>forms, should a general model photo release to the CC be included
>>and/or rights restriction on other photographers be included?
>
> At CC21, we had folks sign one when they got their membership. We figured
> that this would cover people in the hall snapping photos, in case they put them
> up on their own website.
>
> Henry Osier
> Co-Chair, CC21
> who still keeps volunteering to work cons
>
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> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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Just a quick update for folks who’ve been wondering.

Today we surmounted the final paperwork hurdle and successfully opened
the CC26 bank account.

So to the 51 people who sent in voting fees — they are now happily
deposited.

Kevin