We deferred in honor of the long-standing ambition and perseverance of the
Baptistown Committee. We felt they had earned a chance to prove themselves
since they had bid so often with no reward (always a bridesmaid, never a
bride).
They, in turn, deferred the bid back to St. Louis for reasons which will
remain circumspectly private.
Will it happen again? Only if an equally deserving, unfulfilled committee
surfaces that the CC25 Committee really believes should get what's coming to
them.

Nora

—– Original Message —–
From: <s_trembley@yahoo.com>
> These mysterious folk sponsored a last minute bid for CC16 through
> their only known agent to the outside world, Toni Lay. The very
> mention of Baptistown had an odd effect on the established St. Louis
> bid and there was a deferral to Baptistown. Perhaps the CC25 group
> could elucidate on that historic decision – blackmail, bribery,
> favors of some sort … who could say if the secret is ready to be
> exposed?
> Don't worry, Henry, there's been an American Girl Store opened in
> Manhatten this past year so you will not have to go without 18 inch
> collectible dolls and their fashions if you decide to move east and
> decide to undermine someone else's CC bid. Could it happen to St.
> Louis twice???

However, they don't exist. Baptistown does! I've seen photos.

BTW, the Baptistown bid failed ONLY because Madame Beaujolais (and I do mean
that kind of madam) and the rest of the committee w/e/r/e j/a/i/l/e/d became
unavailable. (Or at least, so Toni claims.)

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: <henryosier@cs.com>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 8:44 PM
Subject: [runacc] Re: Baptistown

> Thank you, Sharon!
>
> I still would like to start a new joke bid. More along the lines of
Arkham,
> Gotham, Metropolis (either one), etc.
>
> Henry

With CC22 coming up, it occurred to us that perhaps it's time to re-visit
the discussion of building the Costume Con mailing list. Looking at the
Ballot for CC25 site selection, we noticed that there isn't a "opt-in" to be
notified about future CCs.

We are considering putting the following as a required field on our
membership form:

"Circle 1 (one) option below;
YES I would like to receive mailings from future CostumeCons
NO I don't want to receive mailings about future CostumeCons"

I believe it was also suggested that anyone who votes on future site
selections would automatically be put on a mailing list (names were not
passed on to following cons, previously). We support the idea of
maintaining a central membership database. Therefore, if we want to
continue to build our base, we need to have some continuity from year to
year. Can we start this discussion up again and get people's opinions?

Bruce

We did take the ballots and send CC22 flyers to everyone who voted at
Calgary. However, we ran into a problem with the fact that not everyone
filled in an address on the ballots. I didn't know if we could make that a
required field or not. We used the ballot template from the
Costume-Conections web-site for the CC25 ballots, but I know that Calgary
used a slightly different form. Should there be a standard form that each
CC comittee is required to use?

Trudy

>From: "Bruce & Nora Mai" <casamai@sbcglobal.net>
>Reply-To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
>To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [runacc] "Opt-in" mailing list
>Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 22:29:31 -0600
>
>With CC22 coming up, it occurred to us that perhaps it's time to re-visit
>the discussion of building the Costume Con mailing list. Looking at the
>Ballot for CC25 site selection, we noticed that there isn't a "opt-in" to
>be
>notified about future CCs.
>
>We are considering putting the following as a required field on our
>membership form:
>
>"Circle 1 (one) option below;
>YES I would like to receive mailings from future CostumeCons
>NO I don't want to receive mailings about future CostumeCons"
>
>I believe it was also suggested that anyone who votes on future site
>selections would automatically be put on a mailing list (names were not
>passed on to following cons, previously). We support the idea of
>maintaining a central membership database. Therefore, if we want to
>continue to build our base, we need to have some continuity from year to
>year. Can we start this discussion up again and get people's opinions?
>
>
>Bruce
>
>

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I would like to see a demographic, of attendance, state by state, of each costume con. A mailing list could be nice to have as well, if the membership were willing to have that data collected. A state by state demographic at least give an idea of how far folks are willing to trave. (of course air-fare is not always based on distance.)

Charles

—– Original Message —–
From: Bruce & Nora Mai
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 9:29 PM
Subject: [runacc] "Opt-in" mailing list

<snip>
We are considering putting the following as a required field on our
membership form:
<snip>
Bruce

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I think that the most important factor for members/voters being willing to allow their addresses to be passed on would be the assurance that only CC committees would receive them. Not sponsors (if any), con photographers/ videographers, etc. At least one costumer has been stalked and is understandably wary of having her address or other personal information available.

Speaking of demographics, it's not something CC could reasonably ask for on the registration form, but an at-con survey (without names or other identifying information – perhaps at registration) of information such as age and personal interests, costuming or otherwise, could also be of interest and be helpful for future programming. Something along the lines of "I am presently interested in: quilting, fabric embellishment, dyeing, beadwork, embroidery, design, leatherwork, chainmail, fill in the blanks. I would like to see/go to programming on: ditto, ditto, fill in the blanks." An anonymous drop-box would take care of the identification factor.

As someone who works with pass-down lists from previous events (our hospital's annual 5K road race) future CCs would need to be aware that as much as 25% of a year-old address list can be obsolete. Used to be, the Post Awful would forward mail for as much as a year — not anymore. The notation on the mailing envelope of Address Correction Requested (I think that wording may have been slightly changed) will bring out-of-date addressed envelopes back to you (for a small fee) with the new address. Depends on whether updated addresses are wanted badly enough by a committee to add "returned-mail fees" as a budget line.

Tina

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

The fee for returned mail from an Address Correction Requested mailing
is $0.70 if they have to send you a separate mailing piece for the
notification. Returned items with address corrections are free but must
be resent (preferably in a clean envelope) at the current rate of
postage.

This I know because that's what I'm dealing with for The ICG Newsletter.
Every issue is mailed this way, since we can't rely on the chapters to
keep their membership addresses current with us.

Note that after the initial mailing I sent, I got a bunch of newsletters
back. Since then, I can expect one or two returns each issue. I've only
received three postage due notices (tht's how they arrive) since I
started producing the newsletter over a year ago.

With this issue I'm taking the time to find the plus-four zips, which
has the added benefit of confirming that the addresses we have are
actually correct. I've already found five that aren't being found in the
Post Office search. The Post Office provides an online search engine for
finding the plus-fours, which can be tedious but is still beneficial.

-betsy

Tina Connell wrote:

>
> As someone who works with pass-down lists from previous events (our hospital's annual 5K road race) future CCs would need to be aware that as much as 25% of a year-old address list can be obsolete. Used to be, the Post Awful would forward mail for as much as a year — not anymore. The notation on the mailing envelope of Address Correction Requested (I think that wording may have been slightly changed) will bring out-of-date addressed envelopes back to you (for a small fee) with the new address. Depends on whether updated addresses are wanted badly enough by a committee to add "returned-mail fees" as a budget line.
>
> Tina

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Two things on this subject:

1. There is a standard ballot now – I think we have made adjustments
over time to accommodate known flaws in the process, but these ballots
take time to work through the system.

2. Address collection is supposed to be required, but that requirement
is in the control of the Site Selection Commissioner. Last year, our
Site Selection Commissioner needed some instruction prior to the con,
and she didn't get it. Thus, when collection of ballots occurred, there
were problems with the recordkeeping. Fortunately, I was there at the
con and was around to help with the ballot count when it took place, so
we could fix some of the omissions. I'll be in Atlanta, and should be
able to help this year's Site Selection Commissioner as well.

3. Site Selection has to be a supervised process, otherwise, people will
randomly fill out whatever they think should be on the form. Because
funds are collected and passed on to the next CC, it's essential to make
sure that the responsible person(s) know what information has to be
collected, including the dollar amounts collected and the method of
payment. All of this should be provided for in the ballots.

(I don't have mine yet – they're mailed to the PO Box, and I don't visit
it more than once a week, and less often if the weather is bad. I'm not
inclined to move the car when the snow is more than three inches deep
around it, and Dan's not particularly good about shoveling….)

Trudy, if your Site Selection Commissioner needs the help, just let me
know. I'll be pinned down for at least some of the con with the baby and
with Erin, and having a place to park (like the voting area) would be a
nice thing to have.

Cheers,

Betsy

Trudy Leonard wrote:

>
> We did take the ballots and send CC22 flyers to everyone who voted at
> Calgary. However, we ran into a problem with the fact that not everyone
> filled in an address on the ballots. I didn't know if we could make that a
> required field or not. We used the ballot template from the
> Costume-Conections web-site for the CC25 ballots, but I know that Calgary
> used a slightly different form. Should there be a standard form that each
> CC comittee is required to use?
>
> Trudy

—
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Web Mistress at large

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Betsy –

Thank you for the offer. When you do get your ballot, would you look it
over and make sure I did everything correctly? Thanks,

Trudy

>From: Betsy Delaney <betsy@hawkeswood.com>
>Reply-To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
>To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [runacc] "Opt-in" mailing list
>Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 08:33:45 -0500
>
>Two things on this subject:
>
>1. There is a standard ballot now – I think we have made adjustments
>over time to accommodate known flaws in the process, but these ballots
>take time to work through the system.
>
>2. Address collection is supposed to be required, but that requirement
>is in the control of the Site Selection Commissioner. Last year, our
>Site Selection Commissioner needed some instruction prior to the con,
>and she didn't get it. Thus, when collection of ballots occurred, there
>were problems with the recordkeeping. Fortunately, I was there at the
>con and was around to help with the ballot count when it took place, so
>we could fix some of the omissions. I'll be in Atlanta, and should be
>able to help this year's Site Selection Commissioner as well.
>
>3. Site Selection has to be a supervised process, otherwise, people will
>randomly fill out whatever they think should be on the form. Because
>funds are collected and passed on to the next CC, it's essential to make
>sure that the responsible person(s) know what information has to be
>collected, including the dollar amounts collected and the method of
>payment. All of this should be provided for in the ballots.
>
>(I don't have mine yet – they're mailed to the PO Box, and I don't visit
>it more than once a week, and less often if the weather is bad. I'm not
>inclined to move the car when the snow is more than three inches deep
>around it, and Dan's not particularly good about shoveling….)
>
>Trudy, if your Site Selection Commissioner needs the help, just let me
>know. I'll be pinned down for at least some of the con with the baby and
>with Erin, and having a place to park (like the voting area) would be a
>nice thing to have.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Betsy
>
>Trudy Leonard wrote:
> >
> > We did take the ballots and send CC22 flyers to everyone who voted at
> > Calgary. However, we ran into a problem with the fact that not everyone
> > filled in an address on the ballots. I didn't know if we could make
>that a
> > required field or not. We used the ballot template from the
> > Costume-Conections web-site for the CC25 ballots, but I know that
>Calgary
> > used a slightly different form. Should there be a standard form that
>each
> > CC comittee is required to use?
> >
> > Trudy
>
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>Web Mistress at large
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On Jan 28, 2004, at 8:29 PM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> With CC22 coming up, it occurred to us that perhaps it's time to
> re-visit
> the discussion of building the Costume Con mailing list. Looking at
> the
> Ballot for CC25 site selection, we noticed that there isn't a "opt-in"
> to be
> notified about future CCs.

Having just returned from FurtherConfusion (the whole 7 mile drive),
I've got to say that they've got a decent solution as part of their
registration form.

—–
( ) FurtherConfusion may share my email address with other furry
conventions
( ) FurtherConfusion may share my postal address with other furry
conventions
—–

If we look at Costume-Con as a whole, I'm less worried about address
lists being passed forward to seated Costume-Con committees. There is a
clear business relationship with Costume-Con by which that can be
justified. That said, I'd suggest the following on all registration
forms and ballots:

——–
Privacy Statement
By registering/voting you agree that your contact information may be
used by Costume-Con to contact you about this and future events.

I prefer to be contacted via (please check at least one)
[ ] postal mail
[ ] email
[ ] I wish to be added to future Costume-Con email discussion lists

Your contact information will be kept confidential to Costume-Con and
seated Costume-Con conference committees unless you chose otherwise.
Any outside organization receiving information we collect must agree
not to further distribute your contact information without your
explicit permission.

Costume-Con may share my contact information with (check as many as you
wish)
[ ] Costume-Con Bid Committees
[ ] The International Costumers' Guild and its chapters
[ ] Other non-profit costume, needlework and costume-craft organizations

——–

Gives us a ton of flexibility while maintaining what ought to be a
reasonable level of trust.

—
andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
San Jose, CA – '72 R75/5 '86 R100 (mine) – '92 K75sa '03 R1150R
(Kevin's)
"It's not pink, it's peach-colored. Pink is tacky."
–Manfred Pfirsich Marie Rommel

2nd most important safety device on my bike: the one beneath my right
hand
Most important safety device on my bike: the one inside my helmet

Hello!
Could all previous CostumeCon chairs mention how many upcoming CostumeCons
they passed money along to, as well as which CostumeCon they chaired? I know
that this topic has been brought up before, but this information is needed again.
Thanks in advance!

Henry W. Osier,
Co-Chair, CC21

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Looks pretty good to me.

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: "Andrew T Trembley" <attrembl@bovil.com>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] "Opt-in" mailing list

> On Jan 28, 2004, at 8:29 PM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
> > With CC22 coming up, it occurred to us that perhaps it's time to
> > re-visit
> > the discussion of building the Costume Con mailing list. Looking at
> > the
> > Ballot for CC25 site selection, we noticed that there isn't a "opt-in"
> > to be
> > notified about future CCs.
>
> Having just returned from FurtherConfusion (the whole 7 mile drive),
> I've got to say that they've got a decent solution as part of their
> registration form.
>
> —–
> ( ) FurtherConfusion may share my email address with other furry
> conventions
> ( ) FurtherConfusion may share my postal address with other furry
> conventions
> —–
>
> If we look at Costume-Con as a whole, I'm less worried about address
> lists being passed forward to seated Costume-Con committees. There is a
> clear business relationship with Costume-Con by which that can be
> justified. That said, I'd suggest the following on all registration
> forms and ballots:
>
> ——–
> Privacy Statement
> By registering/voting you agree that your contact information may be
> used by Costume-Con to contact you about this and future events.
>
> I prefer to be contacted via (please check at least one)
> [ ] postal mail
> [ ] email
> [ ] I wish to be added to future Costume-Con email discussion lists
>
> Your contact information will be kept confidential to Costume-Con and
> seated Costume-Con conference committees unless you chose otherwise.
> Any outside organization receiving information we collect must agree
> not to further distribute your contact information without your
> explicit permission.
>
> Costume-Con may share my contact information with (check as many as you
> wish)
> [ ] Costume-Con Bid Committees
> [ ] The International Costumers' Guild and its chapters
> [ ] Other non-profit costume, needlework and costume-craft organizations
>
> ——–
>
> Gives us a ton of flexibility while maintaining what ought to be a
> reasonable level of trust.
>
> —
> andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
> San Jose, CA – '72 R75/5 '86 R100 (mine) – '92 K75sa '03 R1150R
> (Kevin's)
> "It's not pink, it's peach-colored. Pink is tacky."
> –Manfred Pfirsich Marie Rommel
>
> 2nd most important safety device on my bike: the one beneath my right
> hand
> Most important safety device on my bike: the one inside my helmet
>
>
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>
>
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Betsy (Marks) Delaney
Chair: Costume-Con Fifteen (CCXV)
We passed the funds to CC16-CC18 inclusive, though not in even amounts.

When we were done refunding membership fees to our staff members, we
cleaned out the remainder of our bank account by passing the funds
through to the next three CCs.

Note that we gave our staff members the option of donating their
membership fees to future cons – and that at least six of them declined
their refunds for this purpose.

Cheers,

Betsy

henryosier@cs.com wrote:

>
> Hello!
> Could all previous CostumeCon chairs mention how many upcoming CostumeCons
> they passed money along to, as well as which CostumeCon they chaired? I know
> that this topic has been brought up before, but this information is needed again.
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Henry W. Osier,
> Co-Chair, CC21
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
>
>
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CC16; gave money to all actual following CC committees – 17, 18 & 19 (which
was voted on at CC16).

Nora Mai

—– Original Message —–
From: <henryosier@cs.com>
> Could all previous CostumeCon chairs mention how many upcoming CostumeCons
> they passed money along to, as well as which CostumeCon they chaired? I
know
> that this topic has been brought up before, but this information is needed
again.

We figured a statement to the effect of it being for the exclusive use of
CostumeCon(s) should be included. With the option for a future opt-out if
the individual so desired. If future CCs included the same options on their
forms, the list could be expanded and those who change their mind could have
their name removed from the list.
Possibly it could be created and stored in a e-spreadsheet format that could
be passed along with a master copy kept by Karen D (as trademark holder).
Thoughts?

Nora

I have to admit I like the flexibility it gives, although something was
bothering me about the wording of the Privacy Statement, but I can't put my
finger on it. Nonetheless, we do need to have the disclaimer about it not
being shared with anyone outside the CC organization(s).

Bruce

—– Original Message —–
From: "Andrew T Trembley" <attrembl@bovil.com>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] "Opt-in" mailing list

> On Jan 28, 2004, at 8:29 PM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
> > With CC22 coming up, it occurred to us that perhaps it's time to
> > re-visit
> > the discussion of building the Costume Con mailing list. Looking at
> > the
> > Ballot for CC25 site selection, we noticed that there isn't a "opt-in"
> > to be
> > notified about future CCs.
>
> Having just returned from FurtherConfusion (the whole 7 mile drive),
> I've got to say that they've got a decent solution as part of their
> registration form.
>
> —–
> ( ) FurtherConfusion may share my email address with other furry
> conventions
> ( ) FurtherConfusion may share my postal address with other furry
> conventions
> —–
>
> If we look at Costume-Con as a whole, I'm less worried about address
> lists being passed forward to seated Costume-Con committees. There is a
> clear business relationship with Costume-Con by which that can be
> justified. That said, I'd suggest the following on all registration
> forms and ballots:
>
> ——–
> Privacy Statement
> By registering/voting you agree that your contact information may be
> used by Costume-Con to contact you about this and future events.
>
> I prefer to be contacted via (please check at least one)
> [ ] postal mail
> [ ] email
> [ ] I wish to be added to future Costume-Con email discussion lists
>
> Your contact information will be kept confidential to Costume-Con and
> seated Costume-Con conference committees unless you chose otherwise.
> Any outside organization receiving information we collect must agree
> not to further distribute your contact information without your
> explicit permission.
>
> Costume-Con may share my contact information with (check as many as you
> wish)
> [ ] Costume-Con Bid Committees
> [ ] The International Costumers' Guild and its chapters
> [ ] Other non-profit costume, needlework and costume-craft organizations
>
> ——–
>
> Gives us a ton of flexibility while maintaining what ought to be a
> reasonable level of trust.
>
> —
> andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
> San Jose, CA – '72 R75/5 '86 R100 (mine) – '92 K75sa '03 R1150R
> (Kevin's)
> "It's not pink, it's peach-colored. Pink is tacky."
> –Manfred Pfirsich Marie Rommel
>
> 2nd most important safety device on my bike: the one beneath my right
> hand
> Most important safety device on my bike: the one inside my helmet
>
>
> View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
>
>
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>
> To visit your group on the web, go to:
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>
>

Hi, folks!

This is going to all the future CC concoms, so we can try to stop
getting permission on the fly or after the fact…

You all know I maintain the Costume-Con Archives (separate from the ICG
Archives). They contain a huge number of photos, many of which will
never be included on the site, because I don't have permission to
publish them. In fact, I have only the merest permission to publish most
of what I have, because people signed releases (in theory) before they
competed.

I don't have the permissions in my hands, and if I'm asked, I have to
remove the photos. One costumer has already asked me to do this.

Now, here's the thing:

I've been asking concoms to provide the Archives with a set of videos
and photos either at the con or just prior to. I already fund the web
site and domain out of my pocket and the goodness of my heart. I can't
afford to pay for the photos and videos too. And I turn over the
publications I receive as a member to the archives as well. Someday,
when someone else is doing this job, all the stuff I've collected will
be going to them for storage.

I'm telling you this because I would like to see us add the donation of
these things automatically to the archives as a requirement for running
a CC. And I would like to see requests for permission to publish
resulting photos and Fashion Folio designs on the site as a part of the
releases and in the rules published in PRs and program books, so that
people who participate in the competitions and at the cons know that
their images may be reproduced online.

Note several things:

1. Karen Dick is working to acquire retroactive permission to publish
designs as a part of the site, so that we can add the line drawings to
the Fashion Show sections for each con. I'd personally like to see the
whole Fashion Folio reproduced, but will settle for the designs that
were made into costumes.

2. We would need to make it clear to the costumers/designers that the
images go online in a reasonably unprintable format. I store the images
in nothing larger than 150dpi, at 400 pixels max width or height. To
print such images, people would need to increase the dpi to 300 minimum,
and at that size, the images would be tiny in print.

Before we get to Atlanta, I'd like to know if I'll be getting a complete
set of the photos and videos. I'd also appreciate it if releases include
some sort of publication statement. And I'd like the remaining CC's to
commit to the same, if possible.

Comments? Questions? Flames?

Thanks!

Betsy

—
Betsy R. Delaney
Costume-Con Archivist
Costume-ConNections (http://www.Costume-Con.org/)

Betsy, and all,
I have a bunch of photos from CC21 that I and one of my staff, Mike
Vande Bunt, took and them uploaded to a website that anyone can post pictures
up to. The "albums" are private and cannot be gotten into by just anyone. I
started working on organizing and captioning them all last fall, but then got
busy with other stuff.
Betsy's e-mail has spurred me to complete this effort. Once done,
I'll figure out the linkage so anyone can see them. I think you can down load
them from that site, also.
I have no problem giving them to the archive. I'll e-mail Mike and
ask him if he would like his photos in the archive as well.
Of course, being photos that he and I took while working the con,
most of them are not serious, but very fun. As soon as I hear back from Mike,
I'll let you know what he says.

Henry W. Osier,
Co-Chair, CC21

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On Feb 3, 2004, at 9:13 AM, Betsy Delaney wrote:

> Before we get to Atlanta, I'd like to know if I'll be getting a
> complete
> set of the photos and videos. I'd also appreciate it if releases
> include
> some sort of publication statement. And I'd like the remaining CC's to
> commit to the same, if possible.
>
> Comments? Questions? Flames?

Well…

I know Karen is loathe to constitutional/regulatory growth, but…

I think we need a section or subsection in the constitution listing a
committee's obligation to the CC archives.

(yeah, it's legalistic, but…)
——

1. It's the committee's responsibility to provide an organized and
complete visual record of all contest entries in competition to the
Costume-Con archivist within 3 months of the end of the conference.
This must include still photographs and design reproductions, and may
also include video taken by committee staff.

2. All contest entrants in competition must grant license to the
Costume-Con trademark holders to reproduce, display and publish images
of the entries in Costume-Con official documents. Copies of these
license releases must be turned over to the Costume-Con archivist as
part of the record of contest entries.

3. Individuals who do not wish to grant license for use of their image
to Costume-Con may enter competitions in exhibition class.
Exhibition-only entrants should be asked, but not required, to sign the
same grant of license as a competitor.

4. The sponsor of a special category or award may request a grant of
license from the competitors and/or winners in that category, but that
grant of license may not supersede or interfere with the license
granted to the Costume-Con trademark holders. Should a committee accept
sponsorship for a special category or award, it is the committee's
responsibility to negotiate and satisfy any license agreements. Such
agreements are not explicitly covered under the standard grant of
license.
——–

Now I know we have a few prolific designers and a costumer or two who
will balk at this.
I've heard the arguments. I think letting them hold the whole
reproduction/publishing question hostage isn't acceptable. Our history
is just that: *our* history. If they want to participate in a communal
activity such as competition at a convention they need to accept that
the community and the organization demand an accessible record of the
events.

But stepping back from that, there's the simple requirement of Point
#1. A committee needs somebody (possibly the committee secretary) to
act as a recorder for the weekend and ensure that records are
collected, prepared and submitted to the archivist.

I would love to not only see the competition records collected, but
also photographs of any costume exhibits and (if the waiver were
extended to all attendees) photos of socials, panels and other
interesting goings-on.

—
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San Jose, CA – '72 R75/5 '86 R100 (mine) – '92 K75sa '03 R1150R
(Kevin's)
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At 03:54 PM 2/3/2004, you wrote:

>On Feb 3, 2004, at 9:13 AM, Betsy Delaney wrote:
> > Before we get to Atlanta, I'd like to know if I'll be getting a
> > complete
> > set of the photos and videos. I'd also appreciate it if releases
> > include
> > some sort of publication statement. And I'd like the remaining CC's to
> > commit to the same, if possible.
> >
> > Comments? Questions? Flames?
>
>Well…
>
>I know Karen is loathe to constitutional/regulatory growth, but…
>
>I think we need a section or subsection in the constitution listing a
>committee's obligation to the CC archives.
>
>(yeah, it's legalistic, but…)

I largely agree with Betsy & Andy. I have been approached by some
individuals asking that they not get official photos (or not allow them to
be sold) or have the video cameras turned off during their presentations.
My response to anyone who wants to compete in an event I run is: no photo
and video, no stage. I understand reasonable attempts to protect one's work
and image, but the events we run need to have their historical integrity
protected. One wonders what the Academy of Motion Picture Arts & Sciences
would say if a presenter or winner demanded that there be no photos or the
video cameras be turned off while they are on stage.

Pierre

>——
>
>1. It's the committee's responsibility to provide an organized and
>complete visual record of all contest entries in competition to the
>Costume-Con archivist within 3 months of the end of the conference.
>This must include still photographs and design reproductions, and may
>also include video taken by committee staff.
>
>2. All contest entrants in competition must grant license to the
>Costume-Con trademark holders to reproduce, display and publish images
>of the entries in Costume-Con official documents. Copies of these
>license releases must be turned over to the Costume-Con archivist as
>part of the record of contest entries.
>
>3. Individuals who do not wish to grant license for use of their image
>to Costume-Con may enter competitions in exhibition class.
>Exhibition-only entrants should be asked, but not required, to sign the
>same grant of license as a competitor.
>
>4. The sponsor of a special category or award may request a grant of
>license from the competitors and/or winners in that category, but that
>grant of license may not supersede or interfere with the license
>granted to the Costume-Con trademark holders. Should a committee accept
>sponsorship for a special category or award, it is the committee's
>responsibility to negotiate and satisfy any license agreements. Such
>agreements are not explicitly covered under the standard grant of
>license.
>——–
>
>Now I know we have a few prolific designers and a costumer or two who
>will balk at this.
>I've heard the arguments. I think letting them hold the whole
>reproduction/publishing question hostage isn't acceptable. Our history
>is just that: *our* history. If they want to participate in a communal
>activity such as competition at a convention they need to accept that
>the community and the organization demand an accessible record of the
>events.
>
>But stepping back from that, there's the simple requirement of Point
>#1. A committee needs somebody (possibly the committee secretary) to
>act as a recorder for the weekend and ensure that records are
>collected, prepared and submitted to the archivist.
>
>I would love to not only see the competition records collected, but
>also photographs of any costume exhibits and (if the waiver were
>extended to all attendees) photos of socials, panels and other
>interesting goings-on.
>
>–
>andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/

"Those Who Fail To Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly —
Why They Are Simply Doomed.

Achemdro'hm
"The Illusion of Historical Fact"
— C.Y. 4971

Andromeda

So you probably saw Dana's note on ICG-D about the rate difference
before and during CC22.

Probably ought to check out the hotel website and call in and get room
rates without using the conference code for CC22 weekend. If they quote
you a lower rate, call your sales agent and get the conference rate dropped.

andy

Sorry I haven't been more prompt about answering posts. Have been dealing
with Real Life stuff.

(1) I don't see what good it's going to do to mandate photos and video for
the Archives, when some CC's have not even fulfilled their obligation to
send me a copy of all of their PRs and other publications.

(2) As for photo and video releases, I think it's a good idea and pretty
much standard operating procedure for other conventions. If you're dressing
up and going to a public event, then people should have the ability to
photograph of video you.

(3) As for the "opt-in" mailing list, I think it's a good idea, but am
unsure what wording is the best to use. If we had such a mailing list, it
would be MUCH easier to track down members from earlier cons and get
permissions to use design sketches, etc. on the archival web site.

Back at you,

–Karen

Considering how steamed I just got making my last 2 posts on ICG-D, I
guess I'd better bring up the topic here.

"Using the Internet Effectively as a Promotion Tool"

Quite frankly, we don't. Information is not put up early enough, and
it isn't kept regularly updated. Excuse me for not sugarcoating it,
but that's just dumb.

We say we want fresh blood; new, excited people to build the ranks of
what is, to be frank, a stagnant group in terms of membership.
Creatively, we're fine; but as far as getting new people involved
we're mostly spinning our wheels.

Where are the new recruits? They're at the cons – the teenagers and
twentysomethings. Those people we can meet face to face. However,
there are many, many more out there, and maybe they haven't found a
group of like-minded people to hang with. Where do they find out
about people who share their interests? Noodling around on the
Internet, that's where. They don't see us. They aren't where our
flyers are.

Here in cyberspace, here is where we need to be making contact – and
time and again, we squander our opportunities.

We give them virtually no information. If a website isn't regularly
updated, they stop checking it. If the information that is there
isn't accurate, they stop believing it.

We don't crosspost on a wide enough variety of group lists of people
who might be interested.

And, in spite of the fact that we are all very supportive of one
another, there isn't enough out there to encourage and reassure a new
person that there is a place for them with us, that there's no need to
feel they wouldn't be welcome because their work doesn't compare to
what is (occasionally) advertised on the site. I've had people tell
me they weren't sure whether to come to a convention, because they
were scared people would laugh at them if they asked questions, or
mock their meager costuming skills.

I use the Internet a lot. I think any group or business that doesn't
is foolish. I think any group or business that uses it poorly is
stupid, because it is a bigger PR tool than they realize. If they
have a crappy website, to my mind that indicates they don't care – and
if they don't, why should I?

Look; I'm not a great PR person. I don't have that cheery,
enthusiastic vibe (search your feelings; you know this to be true). I
also don't have the range of fannish connections many of the rest of
you have. Sometimes, though, that is an advantage. I can see things
from the outside as well as the inside. I think, "If I were a new
person, and I just happened upon this group's site, would I be
interested? Would I feel intimidated? Would I laugh when I saw how
seriously they take themselves for a group that shows little to back
it up? Would I be disgusted, because they didn't seem to really be
interested in me, although that's what they claimed?"

*pant pant pant*

*climbs off soapbox*

Next?

Karen

Sorry I've been missing for so long. Computer problems.

Karen, you're right. What would you do to make these changes/corrections?

I am as nearly Internet Illiterate as anyone can be, so I have nothing to
offer here, myself. However, I come from the corporate world, where stating
the problem is not much help without a few suggested solutions. (Being at
work right now doesn't help!)

Having recently noticed a large lack of information on the LunaCon website,
I contacted the ConChair, who is very computer geekish, and he is working on
those things we (Carl, Dora & I) pointed out. Being a costumer, he was able
to understand what we were concerned about; being ConChair he is in a
position to fix it.

That's how I work. I go to someone who can understand what I mean, and who
is in a position to have it fixed. One ConCom at a time.

So, what do you suggest?

Elaine

>
>Considering how steamed I just got making my last 2 posts on ICG-D, I
>guess I'd better bring up the topic here.
>
>"Using the Internet Effectively as a Promotion Tool"
>
>Quite frankly, we don't. Information is not put up early enough, and
>it isn't kept regularly updated. Excuse me for not sugarcoating it,
>but that's just dumb.
>
>We say we want fresh blood; new, excited people to build the ranks of
>what is, to be frank, a stagnant group in terms of membership.
>Creatively, we're fine; but as far as getting new people involved
>we're mostly spinning our wheels.
>
>Where are the new recruits? They're at the cons – the teenagers and
>twentysomethings. Those people we can meet face to face. However,
>there are many, many more out there, and maybe they haven't found a
>group of like-minded people to hang with. Where do they find out
>about people who share their interests? Noodling around on the
>Internet, that's where. They don't see us. They aren't where our
>flyers are.
>
>Here in cyberspace, here is where we need to be making contact – and
>time and again, we squander our opportunities.
>
>We give them virtually no information. If a website isn't regularly
>updated, they stop checking it. If the information that is there
>isn't accurate, they stop believing it.
>
>We don't crosspost on a wide enough variety of group lists of people
>who might be interested.
>
>And, in spite of the fact that we are all very supportive of one
>another, there isn't enough out there to encourage and reassure a new
>person that there is a place for them with us, that there's no need to
>feel they wouldn't be welcome because their work doesn't compare to
>what is (occasionally) advertised on the site. I've had people tell
>me they weren't sure whether to come to a convention, because they
>were scared people would laugh at them if they asked questions, or
>mock their meager costuming skills.
>
>I use the Internet a lot. I think any group or business that doesn't
>is foolish. I think any group or business that uses it poorly is
>stupid, because it is a bigger PR tool than they realize. If they
>have a crappy website, to my mind that indicates they don't care – and
>if they don't, why should I?
>
>Look; I'm not a great PR person. I don't have that cheery,
>enthusiastic vibe (search your feelings; you know this to be true). I
>also don't have the range of fannish connections many of the rest of
>you have. Sometimes, though, that is an advantage. I can see things
>from the outside as well as the inside. I think, "If I were a new
>person, and I just happened upon this group's site, would I be
>interested? Would I feel intimidated? Would I laugh when I saw how
>seriously they take themselves for a group that shows little to back
>it up? Would I be disgusted, because they didn't seem to really be
>interested in me, although that's what they claimed?"
>

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On Feb 9, 2004, at 9:51 PM, axejudge wrote:

> Where are the new recruits? They're at the cons – the teenagers and
> twentysomethings. Those people we can meet face to face.

That's assuming we're out at conventions promoting. We need to.

> However,
> there are many, many more out there, and maybe they haven't found a
> group of like-minded people to hang with. Where do they find out
> about people who share their interests? Noodling around on the
> Internet, that's where. They don't see us. They aren't where our
> flyers are.

This is true. Any event like this needs a marketing plan.

A lot comes down to branding.

A bid or con needs to be recognizable, both on the web and in person.
This starts with a theme or brand. CC26?'s theme is "Adventures in the
Costume Continuum" which is all good and fine for inclusiveness (a
battle we need to fight with the reputation California has for
historical bias), but while associated logo is popular the theme isn't
that inspiring…

…which is why we tapped the "Evil Genius" bid theme and tied it back
to the time-travel concept and base our in-person marketing on it. The
"Evil Genius" theme is very popular and inspiring; every bid party we
have people asking how they can join the League of Evil Geniuses.

Brand basics:
It's got to be recognizable and inspiring.

So once we've got a brand, how do we implement it? Well, we've got to
get that brand out there, and make sure that people connect it to the
event.

Read "The Imagineering Way" by the Disney Imagineers
http://tinyurl.com/2lh57
Nobody does end-to-end design like Disney does. Everything in a Disney
venue is designed; nothing is left to chance. There's a lot they can
teach you about creative attention to detail.

We have the parties, of course. Not a lot of people connect them in
their minds to the bid yet, but that's because we haven't done much
besides having CC26? fliers at them. We've mostly been establishing the
brand the last year and a half. The coordinated portraits, music and
decor really capture peoples attention.

We just added the CC26? name and URL to the disposable party posters
last month at FurCon. Since we expect people to swipe the posters off
the walls after the party (and are rarely disappointed), it's a good
bit of marketing.

Our next outing (this weekend at Gallifrey) we're adding 4 big CC26?
posters to the permanent gallery of portraits to create a tighter link
between the party and the con.

So that mostly covers things about parties. What else can we do to
promote our new brand in-person? Take advantage of what we do well.
We're talking a Costume-Con, so we should market through costumes where
we can.

A lesson from ConJose: a "uniform" for committee members attracts a lot
of attention.

When ConJose was bidding and promoting, they had an "alien tourists"
theme going ("do you know the way to ConJose?"). Committee members all
had matching bird-of-paradise print tropical shirts they wore when
bidding. A few dozen people being seen regularly at cons all over the
world (even just by themselves sometime) built their brand image.

We're starting on a "uniform kit" for committee members. The committee
members will be asked (if they want to participate) to purchase a lab
coat in their size. We'll provide an embroidered breast-pocket patch
with the "League of Evil Geniuses" bid logo and an iron-on transfer for
the back with the "Persistence of Stitchery" con logo. Again, something
to tie the two brand identities together.

Another thing is (as Atlanta did at CC21) to do brand-based Masquerade
entries at conventions the committee attends. I'm not sure how well
Atlanta's tied back to any brand identity they have (sorry, Trudy), but
it was something. We're not planning a bid entry for CC22 or for
Noreascon, but we probably will do one for CC23's F&SF masquerade
(since voting doesn't normally close until Sunday, right?). It will
definitely tie back to our brand identity. We're also looking at doing
theme-based masquerade entries at as many cons as we can for 2006-2008.

It doesn't hurt to offer to run a costume exhibit at local conventions
either, particularly if you can get costumes for the exhibit that
dovetail with your theme. Just make sure you've got an agreement that
you can have a nice "Brought to you by CC??" sign there.

It doesn't hurt to offer to work masquerades at local conventions,
particularly if you can politely let folks know that your group brought
a bunch of staff. It's a good place to wear the con uniform and be
seen.

And of course, one can't discount fan tables and dealers-room tables
(as much as I hate sitting at them). Make sure that the brand identity
is out in front there too.

So that pretty much covers at-con marketing (well, I left out fliers,
but I'll get back to them). There is also non-con in-person marketing
that can be done. It's just a matter of finding local costume-centric
organizations and contacts. Work the historical recreation groups, the
textile arts groups (and schools), the theater groups (and schools).
Offer to do co-op fundraisers with costume-centric non-profit arts
organizations (we do know how to organize events, don't we?). Offer to
sponsor or help with competitions with those same organizations (lots
of people like to compete) and particularly with art and theater
schools. I'm looking at organizing things with the Lace Guild Museum
and the San Jose Museum of Quilts and Textiles in the future. I'm also
trying to get my local bid/concom involved with the local Imperial
Court chapters (drag queens raising money for charity). Again, remember
to use this to promote brand-recognition.

Finally, print/mail/email/web communications. These are ultimately all
the same. We're really talking text marketing and ways of distributing
it, and again, it all comes back to brand identity.

Decide whether or not you want standard header/footer boilerplate on
all official communications (trust me, you do). Use these in print, in
email and on the web.

Put together some design standards that will work well both in print
and on the web (forget HTML mail; people hate it, just stick with the
standard text there). Keep the brand identity going. Ensure all
documentation follows these standards (not just bid and marketing
documentation, but also folio, program, awards and certificates). You
want prospective members to get a consistent message. Plan to make all
official documents available both in print and on the web (as web pages
and/or PDF format) and get releases to do so if necessary.

BTW, while I'm not sure what the Chicago "blocks" logo had to do with
the Mobsters theme, I did like that it was consistently applied across
official materials. It (and the associated color scheme) was clear and
recognizable.

Put together an organized web site. Buy and read Morville & Rosenfeld's
"Information Architecture for the World Wide Web"
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/infotecture2/
Nobody should be allowed to design and publish a website without
reading this. It's not a technical book. Morville & Rosenfeld are
librarians. It's a no-nonsense book about how to make your information
easy to reach.

Ensure your web pages are rich with text references to things people
might search for, and get other people and groups with web pages to
link to them. Both have a great deal of impact on search-engine
placement.

If you're low on geek resources, look into some of the available free
content-management systems, such as Drupal, Mambo, phpNuke and postNuke
(I hate Nuke), OpenCMS and others that will make updating the website
easy for your committee members. Sign up with a web-hosting company
that will support the tool of your choice.

Consider tailored marketing materials for different audiences.

Plan a distribution schedule. Here's our projected schedule (forgive
the formatting, please):
Now: Start distributing fliers in person everywhere
Throw bid parties everywhere
CC22: Ask Trudy (before) if we can include our "PR -2" in the member
packets for CC22
CC23: Ask Utah (before) if we can include "PR -1" in member packets for
CC23
Keep throwing parties, they're just not bid parties anymore
CC24: Mail out PR 1 just before CC24
Plan quarterly updates to website
Start emailing out quarterly updates to costume mailing lists
Start emailing (and mailing) out quarterly updates to contacts at
local orgs and schools
Start distributing Fashion Folio contest fliers at convention art
shows and masquerades
CC25: Mail out PR 2 just before CC25
Plan monthly updates to website
Start emailing out monthly updates to costume mailing lists
Start emailing (and mailing) out monthly updates to contacts at local
orgs and schools
Start distributing "show" competition fliers at convention masquerades
Schedule PR 3 to coincide with folio mailing
Schedule PR 4 (last) to coincide with ballot mailing deadline
CC26: Marketing is done, just remaining pubs that are distributed at
the con

Match up the distribution schedule with staff deadlines, and make
adjustments as necessary. If possible, move up staff deadlines rather
than sliding the distribution schedule.

Stick to the schedule. Make sure people understand how others will
suffer if their deadlines slide.

That's all I can think of now.

—
andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
San Jose, CA – '72 R75/5 '86 R100 (mine) – '92 K75sa '03 R1150R
(Kevin's)
"It's not pink, it's peach-colored. Pink is tacky."
–Manfred Pfirsich Marie Rommel

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Oh, come on, Andy. Surely you can't have run out of ideas so quickly.

Elaine
Who is biting the tongue that is firmly in cheek

>That's all I can think of now.
>

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I like this wording.

–Karen

At 12:12 PM 1/29/2004 -0800, you wrote:

>>——–
>>Privacy Statement
>>By registering/voting you agree that your contact information may be
>>used by Costume-Con to contact you about this and future events.
>>
>>
>>I prefer to be contacted via (please check at least one)
>>[ ] postal mail
>>[ ] email
>>[ ] I wish to be added to future Costume-Con email discussion lists
>>
>>
>>Your contact information will be kept confidential to Costume-Con and
>>seated Costume-Con conference committees unless you chose otherwise.
>>Any outside organization receiving information we collect must agree
>>not to further distribute your contact information without your
>>explicit permission.
>>
>>
>>Costume-Con may share my contact information with (check as many as you
>>wish)
>>[ ] Costume-Con Bid Committees
>>[ ] The International Costumers' Guild and its chapters
>>[ ] Other non-profit costume, needlework and costume-craft organizations
>>
>>
>>——–
>>
>>
>>Gives us a ton of flexibility while maintaining what ought to be a
>>reasonable level of trust.

so I expect some of you have noticed that I'm trolling for costume
mailing lists, particularly the ones that get good recommendations from
people.

andy

—
andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen
http://www.irlm.org/ – mailto:webmaster@irlm.org
"Anybody who takes this seriously deserves to"
— Donna Barr

I saw, and wondered why you did not include this list. It makes sense now.
Good idea! Not much in the way of pats or pans so far, but it's early days
yet.

Elaine

Blessed are we who can laugh at ourselves, for we shall always be amused.

>
>so I expect some of you have noticed that I'm trolling for costume
>mailing lists, particularly the ones that get good recommendations from
>people.
>
>andy
>
>–
>andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen
>http://www.irlm.org/ – mailto:webmaster@irlm.org
>"Anybody who takes this seriously deserves to"
> — Donna Barr
>

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On Feb 18, 2004, at 12:17 PM, Elaine Mami wrote:

> I saw, and wondered why you did not include this list. It makes sense
> now.
> Good idea! Not much in the way of pats or pans so far, but it's early
> days
> yet.

Mind you, if you want to post here what costume email lists you're on,
that wouldn't be a bad thing.

—
Andy Trembley, Bull-in-Drag
The Bovine Illuminati (It's the Cows, Inc.)
http://www.bovil.com/
Moo!

Only this and ICG-D. Got no time for any more, and I'm on these mostly from
work!

Elaine

Blessed are we who can laugh at ourselves, for we shall always be amused.

>From: Andrew T Trembley <attrembl@bovil.com>

>Mind you, if you want to post here what costume email lists you're on,
>that wouldn't be a bad thing.
>

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* ICG-D

* ICG-BOD

* CostumeDC (a Washington-centric list for costume announcements – note
the moderator is fairly strict on posting events outside of the
Balt-Wash area)

* TF (not costume per se, but it does cover a lot of ground re
masquerades when the TechnoFandom crowd is involved. I got on the list
because of CCXV, and they haven't kicked me off yet…8-) )

* TuesdayNite Costumers (a regular sewing group meeting in NoVa and Md –
Sometimes even at my house, though not since the baby arrived.)

Note also that Susan de G. is working on setting up a mailing list
specifically for the Sick Pups, since I'm presently too busy to do it
myself.

There's also F-Costume (if it's still active), but I haven't been a
member of it or H-Costume in quite some time.

The highest volume lists by far are ICG-D and TF.

Cheers,

Betsy

(And if you compile the list of ways to subscribe to these lists, I'll
post them on the CC links page.)

Andrew T Trembley wrote:

>
> On Feb 18, 2004, at 12:17 PM, Elaine Mami wrote:
> > I saw, and wondered why you did not include this list. It makes sense
> > now.
> > Good idea! Not much in the way of pats or pans so far, but it's early
> > days
> > yet.
>
> Mind you, if you want to post here what costume email lists you're on,
> that wouldn't be a bad thing.
>
> —
> Andy Trembley, Bull-in-Drag
> The Bovine Illuminati (It's the Cows, Inc.)
> http://www.bovil.com/
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>
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>
>
>
>

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That I've been approached by a programmer (again) to cause the content
of the main guts of the CC site to be dynamically driven by a database
and PHP. She contacted me out of the blue about two weeks ago, and she's
working now on the initial input tables for creating the "new and
improved" new and improved site.

She's hoping to have something to look at by the time CC22 starts.

I'll be bringing my new "toy" (my laptop) with me to the con. Will there
be a scanner available? I can easily transfer a lot of stuff to the
machine either by plugging directly into another Windows box
(ethernet-capable) or by CD-ROM.

Cheers,

Betsy

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Betsy –

We were thinking of bringing the new all-in-one (scanner, printer, copier)
with us.

Trudy

>From: Betsy Delaney <betsy@hawkeswood.com>
>Reply-To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
>To: Run a Costume-Con Mailing List <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [runacc] Thought you might like to know…
>Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 17:52:34 -0500
>
>That I've been approached by a programmer (again) to cause the content
>of the main guts of the CC site to be dynamically driven by a database
>and PHP. She contacted me out of the blue about two weeks ago, and she's
>working now on the initial input tables for creating the "new and
>improved" new and improved site.
>
>She's hoping to have something to look at by the time CC22 starts.
>
>I'll be bringing my new "toy" (my laptop) with me to the con. Will there
>be a scanner available? I can easily transfer a lot of stuff to the
>machine either by plugging directly into another Windows box
>(ethernet-capable) or by CD-ROM.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Betsy
>
>–
>Betsy R. Delaney
>Web Mistress at large
>
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Betsy,

Check with Carl. I think he has plans to bring the scanner, since he will
be driving down.

Elaine

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>I'll be bringing my new "toy" (my laptop) with me to the con. Will there
>be a scanner available? I can easily transfer a lot of stuff to the
>machine either by plugging directly into another Windows box
>(ethernet-capable) or by CD-ROM.
>

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So I was thinking…

(I know, a dangerous occupation)

…about how Karen mentioned that past CC's hadn't necessarily met all
of their obligations to her or the archives.

I think I can see a root of that problem.

The con-chair has a ton of responsibility, but it's his/her
responsibility to the committee and the membership to produce a good
con that's most important. Little details of compliance that won't get
noticed by anybody but Betsy and Karen tend to get pushed to the side
in favor of big items that the membership will notice.

Each CC committee needs some sort of "compliance officer" who isn't the
con-chair to make sure that Karen and Betsy get sent the documentation
they need, and that the committee meets the requirements of the
Con-Stitution.

Job responsibilities would include:
Keeping current on Con-Stitutional and traditional obligations
Keeping the con-chair and department heads appraised of their
responsibilities to CC
Collecting and delivering copies of all official documentation
Documenting and/or collecting records of competitions
Collecting and submitting all waivers and releases

—
andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen
http://www.bovil.com/
"It's not pink; it's peach-colored. Pink is tacky." –Manfred Pfirsich
Marie Rommel

Andy —

This is the first message from a yahoogroups group that I have received in
days! Road Runner is my ISP. Road Runner's new spam filter rejects all
mail posted from a yahoogroups address because it believes that yahoogroups
is guilty of spam. I was just about to resign from all my yahoogroups
groups and change my ISP when your message came in.

How the ____ did it get through the spam filter?

You have given me new hope.

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: "Andrew T Trembley" <attrembl@bovil.com>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 8:31 PM
Subject: [runacc] Compliance?

> So I was thinking…
>
> (I know, a dangerous occupation)
>
> …about how Karen mentioned that past CC's hadn't necessarily met all
> of their obligations to her or the archives.
>
> I think I can see a root of that problem.
>
> The con-chair has a ton of responsibility, but it's his/her
> responsibility to the committee and the membership to produce a good
> con that's most important. Little details of compliance that won't get
> noticed by anybody but Betsy and Karen tend to get pushed to the side
> in favor of big items that the membership will notice.
>
> Each CC committee needs some sort of "compliance officer" who isn't the
> con-chair to make sure that Karen and Betsy get sent the documentation
> they need, and that the committee meets the requirements of the
> Con-Stitution.
>
> Job responsibilities would include:
> Keeping current on Con-Stitutional and traditional obligations
> Keeping the con-chair and department heads appraised of their
> responsibilities to CC
> Collecting and delivering copies of all official documentation
> Documenting and/or collecting records of competitions
> Collecting and submitting all waivers and releases
>
> —
> andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen
> http://www.bovil.com/
> "It's not pink; it's peach-colored. Pink is tacky." –Manfred Pfirsich
> Marie Rommel

Andy, most concoms have difficulty filling the standard positions, with
some committee members pulling double- and triple- duty. So inventing yet
another position is NOT a solution.

How hard is it to just write into the job description of Pubs that they owe
one copy of everything to the Trademark Holder and the Archivist, and how
hard is it to write into the job description of the photographer /
videographer that they need to provide a copy of everything to the Archivist?

–Karen

At 05:31 PM 2/20/2004 -0800, you wrote:

>So I was thinking…
>
>(I know, a dangerous occupation)
>
>…about how Karen mentioned that past CC's hadn't necessarily met all
>of their obligations to her or the archives.
>
>I think I can see a root of that problem.
>
>The con-chair has a ton of responsibility, but it's his/her
>responsibility to the committee and the membership to produce a good
>con that's most important. Little details of compliance that won't get
>noticed by anybody but Betsy and Karen tend to get pushed to the side
>in favor of big items that the membership will notice.
>
>Each CC committee needs some sort of "compliance officer" who isn't the
>con-chair to make sure that Karen and Betsy get sent the documentation
>they need, and that the committee meets the requirements of the
>Con-Stitution.
>
>Job responsibilities would include:
>Keeping current on Con-Stitutional and traditional obligations
>Keeping the con-chair and department heads appraised of their
>responsibilities to CC
>Collecting and delivering copies of all official documentation
>Documenting and/or collecting records of competitions
>Collecting and submitting all waivers and releases
>
>–
>andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen
>http://www.bovil.com/
>"It's not pink; it's peach-colored. Pink is tacky." –Manfred Pfirsich
>Marie Rommel
>
>
>
>
>View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Karen Dick wrote:

> How hard is it to just write into the job description of Pubs that they owe
> one copy of everything to the Trademark Holder and the Archivist, and how
> hard is it to write into the job description of the photographer /
> videographer that they need to provide a copy of everything to the Archivist?

And write into the job description of the masquerade directors that they
owe a copy of the results and the waivers

And write into the job description of reg that they owe the rosters.

And a bunch of other departments too.

Nearly every department has obligations which can be lost in favor of
more immediate concerns even if they're written into the job
descriptions. It's not just a matter of making sure things get done
after the fact; it's making sure that things are properly set up in
advance so it's easy to do them.

andy

In a message dated 2/20/2004 7:33:08 PM Central Standard Time,
attrembl@bovil.com writes:

> Each CC committee needs some sort of "compliance officer" who isn't the
> con-chair to make sure that Karen and Betsy get sent the documentation
> they need, and that the committee meets the requirements of the
> Con-Stitution.

Andy,
Believe it or not, I have been thinking that IF I ever would run a CC
again, I would create a position of Co-Chair In Charge Of Making Sure The I's
Are Dotted And The T's Are Crossed. But your title is much shorter than mine.
Henry

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I'm sorry for the late reply to this. I've been in the year-end back hole
at work since Jan. and am only now getting caught up on my e-mails.

CC19 received money from CC's 15, 16, and 17. (We received money from CC15
only because CC16 had already happened by the time CC15's books were
closed.) My memory tells me we also received money from CC18, but I can't
find the record of it at the moment.

We passed money onto CC20, 21 and 22, and also made a donation to the ICG
archives.

Eileen

—–Original Message—–
From: henryosier@cs.com [mailto:henryosier@cs.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 5:49 PM
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Cc: gboettcher1@wi.rr.com; jakelley@jennifarse.com; LteBear@aol.com;
Bawsews@aol.com
Subject: [runacc] Information Request

Hello!
Could all previous CostumeCon chairs mention how many upcoming CostumeCons
they passed money along to, as well as which CostumeCon they chaired? I know
that this topic has been brought up before, but this information is needed
again.
Thanks in advance!

Henry W. Osier,
Co-Chair, CC21

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Eileen,
Thanks for the reply, even if after all this time! See you in Atlanta?
Henry

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hey!

I'm thinking we should do this in Atlanta, while we have the chance.

Anyone have a suggestion for a good time to meet? I'll be arriving
Thursday at some point, involved in the ICG meeting Friday, and leaving
Monday.

I'm not presently scheduled for anything – no panels, no masquerades, no
nada.

Comments?

Cheers,

Betsy
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In a message dated 3/10/2004 3:31:44 PM Central Standard Time,
betsy@hawkeswood.com writes:

> Anyone have a suggestion for a good time to meet?

I suggest either Friday or Sunday breakfast. I'd say Saturday breakfast, but
I'm running the Fashion Police Precinct Party in the ConSuite.
Henry Osier

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Other than the ICG meeting and the times I'm running the green rooms, I am
available.

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: "Betsy Delaney" <betsy@hawkeswood.com>
To: "Run a Costume-Con Mailing List" <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 4:32 PM
Subject: [runacc] Meeting at CC22?

> Hey!
>
> I'm thinking we should do this in Atlanta, while we have the chance.
>
> Anyone have a suggestion for a good time to meet? I'll be arriving
> Thursday at some point, involved in the ICG meeting Friday, and leaving
> Monday.
>
> I'm not presently scheduled for anything – no panels, no masquerades, no
> nada.
>
> Comments?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Betsy
> —
> —
> Betsy R. Delaney
> Web Mistress at large

On Mar 10, 2004, at 1:37 PM, henryosier@cs.com wrote:

> In a message dated 3/10/2004 3:31:44 PM Central Standard Time,
> betsy@hawkeswood.com writes:
>> Anyone have a suggestion for a good time to meet?
> I suggest either Friday or Sunday breakfast. I'd say Saturday
> breakfast, but
> I'm running the Fashion Police Precinct Party in the ConSuite.
> Henry Osier

I prefer brunch to breakfast myself.

Saturday night Kevin and I are hosting ConSuite, so that's right out 😉

Other times are pretty open right now.

Friday or Sunday morning would probably be OK, with Friday being
preferred by me.

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San Jose, CA – '72 R75/5 '86 R100 (mine) – '92 K75sa '03 R1150R
(Kevin's)
"It's not pink, it's peach-colored. Pink is tacky."
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So Friday would either be: before the ICG meeting (ugh)
or after the ICG meeting (OK).

Sunday morning? Oh no. No no no. Bruce, Nora, and I are all involved
with the Future Fashion Show; that will be our focus Sunday morning. We
are also all involved with the Historical Masquerade; Sunday is *full*.

Karen

Andrew T Trembley wrote:

> On Mar 10, 2004, at 1:37 PM, henryosier@cs.com wrote:
> > In a message dated 3/10/2004 3:31:44 PM Central Standard Time,
> > betsy@hawkeswood.com writes:
> >> Anyone have a suggestion for a good time to meet?
> > I suggest either Friday or Sunday breakfast. I'd say Saturday
> > breakfast, but
> > I'm running the Fashion Police Precinct Party in the ConSuite.
> > Henry Osier
>
> I prefer brunch to breakfast myself.
>
> Saturday night Kevin and I are hosting ConSuite, so that's right out 😉
>
> Other times are pretty open right now.
>
> Friday or Sunday morning would probably be OK, with Friday being
> preferred by me.
>

I have NO time at CC-22. I'm in all 3 events, plus judging the SP, plus
having a dealer's table.

Plus I have NO $$ for restaurant food. (Can you say $$$,$$$ in debt since
9/11 and contemplating bankruptcy? I knew you could.)

–Karen

At 06:18 PM 3/10/2004 -0800, you wrote:

>On Mar 10, 2004, at 1:37 PM, henryosier@cs.com wrote:
> > In a message dated 3/10/2004 3:31:44 PM Central Standard Time,
> > betsy@hawkeswood.com writes:
> >> Anyone have a suggestion for a good time to meet?
> > I suggest either Friday or Sunday breakfast. I'd say Saturday
> > breakfast, but
> > I'm running the Fashion Police Precinct Party in the ConSuite.
> > Henry Osier
>
>I prefer brunch to breakfast myself.
>
>Saturday night Kevin and I are hosting ConSuite, so that's right out 😉
>
>Other times are pretty open right now.
>
>Friday or Sunday morning would probably be OK, with Friday being
>preferred by me.
>
>–
>andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
>San Jose, CA – '72 R75/5 '86 R100 (mine) – '92 K75sa '03 R1150R
>(Kevin's)
> "It's not pink, it's peach-colored. Pink is tacky."
> –Manfred Pfirsich Marie Rommel
>
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>
>
>
>View the Document: http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/runacc/
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

How many of us are arriving Thursday night? An informal chat session was
really what I had in mind, nothing "programmed" or official.

I don't know what time we'll be getting in to the hotel – we're probably
stopping somewhere around Raleigh/Durham on the way down, so the days
are broken into two three-hundred mile chunks.

Thoughts?

Betsy

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Betsy –

We will have the Con-Suite open on Thursday night for people to pick up
their memberships, and some socializing. You guys are welcome to hang out
in there.

Trudy

>From: Betsy Delaney <betsy@hawkeswood.com>
>Reply-To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
>To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [runacc] Meeting at CC22?
>Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 07:58:20 -0500
>
>How many of us are arriving Thursday night? An informal chat session was
>really what I had in mind, nothing "programmed" or official.
>
>I don't know what time we'll be getting in to the hotel – we're probably
>stopping somewhere around Raleigh/Durham on the way down, so the days
>are broken into two three-hundred mile chunks.
>
>Thoughts?
>
>Betsy
>
>–
>–
>Betsy R. Delaney
>Web Mistress at large
>
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