It was my impression that a significant reason for Worldcon moving to a three-year cycle was because major venues expected to be reserved at least three years in advance and concoms were finding it difficult to hire the space only two years out. That might not apply to a smaller CC, however. In addition, times may have changed, since this apparently was not a significant concern for the business meeting at Torcon.

There does seem to be a real problem of holding a concom together for three years, as well as a problem of having little if anything to tell the members during the first 12 to 18 months after winning the bid on a three-year cycle.

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: Ricky & Karen Dick
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [runacc] worldcon fallout…

At 12:14 AM 9/29/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 09/27/2003 4:34:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>attrembl@bovil.com writes:
>
> > The business meeting voted to change their voting cycle from 3 years to
> > 2 years. This will not take effect unless the amendment is ratified at
> > Noreascon 4.
> >

Andy, was a reason given why Worldcon wants to change to a shorter cycle?

At the time they went to 3 years, it was because Worldcon had gotten so
huge that it took more time, logistics, etc. to get a committee together
and prepare all the necessary stuff.

I am also wondering how this affects CC. Bruce and Nora just submitted a
bid for CC-25 where they could not 100% lock in a venue or date because
they could not get a commitment this far out from either of their potential
hotels. So maybe we should reconsider a 2-year cycle as well.

Discussion, anyone?

–Karen

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Actually that’s Bruce & Pierre as co-chairs – I’m Pubs & stuff this time.
Since we’ve never been able to get a hotel to want to lock in 3+years out
and have certainly gone through the personnel carousel that Trudy describes,
2 years might be more funcitonal.
I also agree with Andy (I think it was Andy) that it is hard to maintain the
enthusiasm and excitement 6-8 years.
Nora

—– Original Message —–
From: “Ricky & Karen Dick” <castleb@pulsenet.com>
> I am also wondering how this affects CC. Bruce and Nora just submitted a
> bid for CC-25 where they could not 100% lock in a venue or date because
> they could not get a commitment this far out from either of their
potential
> hotels. So maybe we should reconsider a 2-year cycle as well.

That’s a very valid point, Byron.

But where do we put the list of possible activities until the Runner’s
Guide is up and running?

Then again, some newbie committees will not read *either* document, guaranteed.

–Karen

At 07:56 PM 9/29/2003 -0400, you wrote:

>I do not agree. The ConStitution is the framework under which CCs are
>run. As such, I believe that it should not include nonmandatory
>suggestions. A list of possible activities would be appropriate for a CC
>Runners’ Guide.
>
>Byron
>
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 9:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: Doll competition
>
>
> At 11:26 AM 9/27/2003, you wrote:
> >I vote for (b) for what it is worth, with the wording, “Doll Costume
> >Competition”.
> >
> >Marty
>
>
> I also would vote for (b). A listing of possible activities, none of which
> are required, seems to me to be a good guideline for future committees.
> We’ve been experimenting with different activities, displays and
> competitions throughout the history of C-C. Such a list can spark the
> creativity of a committee while re-inforcing the Costume-centric nature of
> C-C’s
>
> Pierre
>
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You’re right–I shoulda said Bruce & Pierre.

–Karen

At 07:08 PM 9/29/2003 -0500, you wrote:

>Actually that’s Bruce & Pierre as co-chairs – I’m Pubs & stuff this time.
>Since we’ve never been able to get a hotel to want to lock in 3+years out
>and have certainly gone through the personnel carousel that Trudy describes,
>2 years might be more funcitonal.
>I also agree with Andy (I think it was Andy) that it is hard to maintain the
>enthusiasm and excitement 6-8 years.
>Nora
>—– Original Message —–
>From: “Ricky & Karen Dick” <castleb@pulsenet.com>
> > I am also wondering how this affects CC. Bruce and Nora just submitted a
> > bid for CC-25 where they could not 100% lock in a venue or date because
> > they could not get a commitment this far out from either of their
>potential
> > hotels. So maybe we should reconsider a 2-year cycle as well.
>
>
>
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On Monday, September 29, 2003, at 05:39 PM, Ricky & Karen Dick wrote:

> That’s a very valid point, Byron.
>
> But where do we put the list of possible activities until the Runner’s
> Guide is up and running?
>
> Then again, some newbie committees will not read *either* document,
> guaranteed.

Well, once we’ve got a guide, we can add to the bid paperwork
requirement a copy of the constitution and the guide with signature
blanks indicating that the principals have read and understand them or
they don’t get on the ballot 😉

—
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San Jose, CA – ’72 R75/5 ’86 R100 (mine) – ’92 K75sa ’03 R1150R
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>A. A brief history
>Costume-Con was born out of the vision of Adrienne Martinez (Adrienne
>Martine-Barnes),

Does anyone have a current address for Adrienne? Her PR for CC22 was
returned by the post office.

Trudy

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She’s almost certainly a SFWA (SF Writers Ass’n.) member. One of us must know a SFWA member who would be willing to help us out with the address – I believe that they used to send all members an annual address list.

Tina

—– Original Message —–
From: Trudy Leonard
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 10:41 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] section 1 outline/draft

>A. A brief history
>Costume-Con was born out of the vision of Adrienne Martinez (Adrienne
>Martine-Barnes),

Does anyone have a current address for Adrienne? Her PR for CC22 was
returned by the post office.

Trudy

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Ok – two things:

Karen, I tried to write this in the most diplomatic, least
“finger-pointing” way possible, but if I got something wrong or left
something out, or if it’s simply too much information, PLEASE correct
the copy below! 1997/98 was a LOOOOONNNNNGGGGG time ago!

Thanks!

Betsy

Andrew Trembley wrote:

>
> Sec 1 should be easy, and relatively short…
>
> B. The process in a nutshell…

[Don’t forget, when we get to the guts of this doc, we’ve got a live
“How to Bid doc that should be incorporated into this one. The link to
this doc is:

http://www.costume-con.org/procedure/howtobid.shtml ]

> C. The ConStitution
> <When was the constitution originally drafted? Insert capsule history
> here.>

Costume-Con is (and always has been) an event independent of, but
coexisting with, the International Costumers’ Guild, Inc. (ICG). In the
mists of time, this distinction was lost.

When Costume-Con 10 was bid on by more than one committee for the first
time, the board and officers of the ICG determined that guidance of site
selection and establishment of procedures for managing committees was
necessary. Procedures were subsequently incorporated into the ICG’s
Standing Rules, where they remained until April, 2003, when the last of
the rules were extracted.

At Costume-Con Fifteen, in May, 1997, a series of problems and issues
with one of the existing committees was discovered. By the WorldCon in
1997 [insert location and subtitle here], further investigation,
including conversations with the Costume-Con Service Mark Holders, made
it clear that the conference needed its own set of governing documents,
and that the erroneous rules established in the ICG’s Standing Rules
were not appropriate.

In April, 1998, Karen Dick provided a draft for what is now the
Costume-Con ConStitution, based on the Westercon Constitution, to a
group of readers for comment and improvement. This committee, comprised
of the following individuals: Karen Dick, Kevin Standlee, Betsy R.
Delaney, Joy Day, Byron Connell, Ken Warren, Pierre Pettinger, Susan de
Guardiola, Alys Hay, John Trimble, Bjo Trimble and Lora Boehm, worked
for approximately five months to draft and correct the document, which
was released to the public in late September, 1998.

Since its original release, the ConStitution has been adjusted
repeatedly to ensure that it covers all potential issues raised during
the course of a Costume-Con committee’s activities. All Costume-Con
committees agree to abide by and uphold the ConStitution as part of
their agreement for using the name Costume-Con and are also responsible
for enforcing the provisions of the ConStitution.

—
Betsy R. Delaney
Web Mistress at large

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Reads fine to me.

–Karen

At 12:19 PM 9/30/2003 -0400, you wrote:

>Ok – two things:
>
>Karen, I tried to write this in the most diplomatic, least
>”finger-pointing” way possible, but if I got something wrong or left
>something out, or if it’s simply too much information, PLEASE correct
>the copy below! 1997/98 was a LOOOOONNNNNGGGGG time ago!
>
>Thanks!
>
>Betsy
>
>Andrew Trembley wrote:
> >
> > Sec 1 should be easy, and relatively short…
> >
> > B. The process in a nutshell…
>
>[Don’t forget, when we get to the guts of this doc, we’ve got a live
>”How to Bid doc that should be incorporated into this one. The link to
>this doc is:
>
> http://www.costume-con.org/procedure/howtobid.shtml ]
>
> > C. The ConStitution
> > <When was the constitution originally drafted? Insert capsule history
> > here.>
>
>Costume-Con is (and always has been) an event independent of, but
>coexisting with, the International Costumers’ Guild, Inc. (ICG). In the
>mists of time, this distinction was lost.
>
>When Costume-Con 10 was bid on by more than one committee for the first
>time, the board and officers of the ICG determined that guidance of site
>selection and establishment of procedures for managing committees was
>necessary. Procedures were subsequently incorporated into the ICG’s
>Standing Rules, where they remained until April, 2003, when the last of
>the rules were extracted.
>
>At Costume-Con Fifteen, in May, 1997, a series of problems and issues
>with one of the existing committees was discovered. By the WorldCon in
>1997 [insert location and subtitle here], further investigation,
>including conversations with the Costume-Con Service Mark Holders, made
>it clear that the conference needed its own set of governing documents,
>and that the erroneous rules established in the ICG’s Standing Rules
>were not appropriate.
>
>In April, 1998, Karen Dick provided a draft for what is now the
>Costume-Con ConStitution, based on the Westercon Constitution, to a
>group of readers for comment and improvement. This committee, comprised
>of the following individuals: Karen Dick, Kevin Standlee, Betsy R.
>Delaney, Joy Day, Byron Connell, Ken Warren, Pierre Pettinger, Susan de
>Guardiola, Alys Hay, John Trimble, Bjo Trimble and Lora Boehm, worked
>for approximately five months to draft and correct the document, which
>was released to the public in late September, 1998.
>
>Since its original release, the ConStitution has been adjusted
>repeatedly to ensure that it covers all potential issues raised during
>the course of a Costume-Con committee’s activities. All Costume-Con
>committees agree to abide by and uphold the ConStitution as part of
>their agreement for using the name Costume-Con and are also responsible
>for enforcing the provisions of the ConStitution.
>
>–
>Betsy R. Delaney
>Web Mistress at large
>
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Epiphany time: We could temporarily include the info in the How to Bid
doc, until that get’s incorporated into the total document.

Thoughts?

-B

Ricky & Karen Dick wrote:

>
> That’s a very valid point, Byron.
>
> But where do we put the list of possible activities until the Runner’s
> Guide is up and running?
>
> Then again, some newbie committees will not read *either* document, guaranteed.
>
> –Karen
>
> At 07:56 PM 9/29/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> >I do not agree. The ConStitution is the framework under which CCs are
> >run. As such, I believe that it should not include nonmandatory
> >suggestions. A list of possible activities would be appropriate for a CC
> >Runners’ Guide.
> >
> >Byron
> >
> >
> > —– Original Message —–
> > From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger
> > To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 9:40 AM
> > Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: Doll competition
> >
> >
> > At 11:26 AM 9/27/2003, you wrote:
> > >I vote for (b) for what it is worth, with the wording, “Doll Costume
> > >Competition”.
> > >
> > >Marty
> >
> >
> > I also would vote for (b). A listing of possible activities, none of which
> > are required, seems to me to be a good guideline for future committees.
> > We’ve been experimenting with different activities, displays and
> > competitions throughout the history of C-C. Such a list can spark the
> > creativity of a committee while re-inforcing the Costume-centric nature of
> > C-C’s
> >
> > Pierre
> >
> >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
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How about posting the list on the CostumeCon-nections web site? It — and any other nonmandatory ideas Betsy is willing to add — could be noted promptly on the table of contents in a file that is separate from the ConStitution.

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: Ricky & Karen Dick
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: Doll competition

That’s a very valid point, Byron.

But where do we put the list of possible activities until the Runner’s
Guide is up and running?

Then again, some newbie committees will not read *either* document, guaranteed.

–Karen

At 07:56 PM 9/29/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>I do not agree. The ConStitution is the framework under which CCs are
>run. As such, I believe that it should not include nonmandatory
>suggestions. A list of possible activities would be appropriate for a CC
>Runners’ Guide.
>
>Byron

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Good idea.

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: Andrew Trembley
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 8:42 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: Doll competition

On Monday, September 29, 2003, at 05:39 PM, Ricky & Karen Dick wrote:
> That’s a very valid point, Byron.
>
> But where do we put the list of possible activities until the Runner’s
> Guide is up and running?
>
> Then again, some newbie committees will not read *either* document,
> guaranteed.

Well, once we’ve got a guide, we can add to the bid paperwork
requirement a copy of the constitution and the guide with signature
blanks indicating that the principals have read and understand them or
they don’t get on the ballot 😉

—
andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
San Jose, CA – ’72 R75/5 ’86 R100 (mine) – ’92 K75sa ’03 R1150R
(Kevin’s)

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

That would work.

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: Betsy Delaney
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] Re: Doll competition

Epiphany time: We could temporarily include the info in the How to Bid
doc, until that get’s incorporated into the total document.

Thoughts?

-B

Ricky & Karen Dick wrote:
>
> That’s a very valid point, Byron.
>
> But where do we put the list of possible activities until the Runner’s
> Guide is up and running?
>
> Then again, some newbie committees will not read *either* document, guaranteed.
>
> –Karen
>
> At 07:56 PM 9/29/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> >I do not agree. The ConStitution is the framework under which CCs are
> >run. As such, I believe that it should not include nonmandatory
> >suggestions. A list of possible activities would be appropriate for a CC
> >Runners’ Guide.
> >
> >Byron

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Andy –

Certificates arrive in Atlanta sometime this weekend. Thank you very much,
and I will distribute them to all parties involved.

Trudy

PS – Are you guys coming to Atlanta and, if so, do you want to do a bid
party? Also, did you want to put an ad in either the PR or Program Book?
I’m about to have Lonnie put some new information up on the website,
including ad rates and Con Suite sponsorships. It occured to me that you
weren’t getting the PR’s and there might be information that you would need.

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Andy, I’m not certain (without going back and looking at the document) but I think that “trademark” should probably be “service mark.”

Tina

—– Original Message —–
From: Andrew Trembley
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 6:10 PM
Subject: [runacc] section 1 outline/draft

Sec 1 should be easy, and relatively short…

A. A brief history
Costume-Con was born out of the vision of Adrienne Martinez (Adrienne
Martine-Barnes), and first realized in 1983 by Karen Dick, Kelly Turner
and a crew of amateur and professional science fiction and historical
costumers in southern California. It began as (and still is) a
costume-centered weekend of competitions, classes, panel discussions
and social events. At Costume-Con 3 (1985) in Columbia, Maryland, the
International Costumers’ Guild was founded, bringing together costume
organizations from around the world; Costume-Con and the ICG have
enjoyed a symbiotic relationship ever since.

In the last two decades, Costume-Con has grown and adapted to the needs
and interests of its members. Committees have introduced new seminars,
social activities and competitions. Some have failed, some have
succeeded and a few have developed into new “traditional” activities.

For a detailed history of Costume-Con, please see the timeline at
http://www.costume-con.org/CClink/index.shtml.

B. The process in a nutshell…
If you’re reading this, you’re probably interested in putting together
a Costume-Con. Costume-Con is not operated year-to-year by the same
organization and staff. It is overseen by Karen Dick and Kelly Turner,
the holders of the “Costume-Con” trademark, but each year planning and
operations are the responsibility of a conference committee.

Putting together a Costume-Con is a multi-year process, so there are
always at least 3 seated conference committees active, and often
several “bid committees” exploring the possibility of running a
Costume-Con or actively campaigning to be selected to run a Costume-Con.

A conference committee starts, as mentioned above, with bidding. During
the bid phase, the conference committee develops its business
structure, obtains hotel/facilities agreements, and campaigns to get
people to attend or support the costume-con where their bid is voted
upon. This is at minimum a 6-month process (the deadline to be placed
on the ballot is 6 months before the vote) but is often done over a
period of 1-2 years.

After a conference committee has won their bid, they’re described as a
“seated conference committee” and have approximately 3 years to
complete the planning for their conference. During this time, the
marketing and promotion of the conference continues.

All of this culminates in the actual conference: panel discussions,
seminars, social events and competitions. It’s not over, though, when
the conference is done. It often takes a few weeks (sometimes a few
months) to wind up final business after the conference.

All in all, that’s 4-6 years from start to finish. A long time, yes,
but enough time to spread the workload out if you and your committee
pace things carefully.

C. The ConStitution
<When was the constitution originally drafted? Insert capsule history
here.>

Minimum performance standards and responsibilities are laid out in the
ConStitution. Note that carefully: Minimum performance standards and
responsibilities. The ConStitution isn’t a recipe for how to run a
Costume-Con.

As a conference committee member, you should be intimately familiar
with the contents of the ConStitution, and what it requires of you.
Conversely, when somebody tells you something is required, you should
review the ConStitution for yourself and determine whether that is
still true or not.

The ConStitution is a living document and is amended on a regular
basis. For the convenience and sanity of conference committees,
revisions will generally be made in the 60 days immediately following
the annual conference and not made in the 6 months leading up to the
next conference. Still, it is best to review the Constitution on a
regular basis.

If you have any questions about expectations or responsibilities of
your committee, ask them.

For more information, including contact information, see the
ConStitution at
http://www.costume-con.org/procedure/ccconstitution.shtml

D. The ICG Masquerade Guidelines
Several years ago, Costume-Con agreed to operate its costume
competitions in accordance with the ICG Masquerade Guidelines.

As the name says, these are guidelines. Their purpose is to help
competition directors write their rules and operate their competitions
in a manner that is fair and impartial. While they’re framed for
competition masquerades, there are aspects of the guidelines which may
be applicable to other competitions. Committee chairpersons and
competition directors should review the guidelines on a regular basis.

If you are uncertain about how to interpret any part of the guidelines,
the best course of action is to talk with past competition directors
and ask them how they interpreted the guidelines in the past, and how
their interpretations worked for them.

For more information, see the ICG Masquerade Guidelines at
http://www.costume.org/documents/guidelines.html

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Tina, Costume-Con is a registered trademark (R in the circle). I gave up
$$$ and most of a year of my life to accomplish this.

–Karen

At 07:04 AM 10/2/2003 -0400, you wrote:

>Andy, I’m not certain (without going back and looking at the document) but
>I think that “trademark” should probably be “service mark.”
>
>Tina

You’re probably thinking of the “SM” because it was there as a placeholder
until the “R” was completed. Didn’t mean to be snippy.

–Karen

At 07:04 AM 10/2/2003 -0400, you wrote:

>Andy, I’m not certain (without going back and looking at the document) but
>I think that “trademark” should probably be “service mark.”
>
>Tina

On Thursday, October 2, 2003, at 04:04 AM, Tina Connell wrote:

> Andy, I’m not certain (without going back and looking at the document)
> but I think that “trademark” should probably be “service mark.”

A “service mark” is a class of trademark; “service mark” describes the
way in which the mark is used.

—
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San Jose, CA – ’72 R75/5 ’86 R100 (mine) – ’92 K75sa ’03 R1150R
(Kevin’s)
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That’s all right, it’s cool. I think that I was rememberring back to CC18 (for which I had the “privilege” of doing all the publications) in which I remembered typing Service Mark over and over again for the PR’s and program book. That was undoubtedly before you had your TM finalized. A gen-u-wine TM is much better!.

Tina

—– Original Message —–
From: Ricky & Karen Dick
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] section 1 outline/draft

You’re probably thinking of the “SM” because it was there as a placeholder
until the “R” was completed. Didn’t mean to be snippy.

–Karen

At 07:04 AM 10/2/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>Andy, I’m not certain (without going back and looking at the document) but
>I think that “trademark” should probably be “service mark.”
>
>Tina

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Note my reply to Karen – I was in error. Sorry!

Tina

—– Original Message —–
From: Andrew Trembley
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] section 1 outline/draft

On Thursday, October 2, 2003, at 04:04 AM, Tina Connell wrote:
> Andy, I’m not certain (without going back and looking at the document)
> but I think that “trademark” should probably be “service mark.”

A “service mark” is a class of trademark; “service mark” describes the
way in which the mark is used.

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Looks to me like a good way to start.

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: Andrew Trembley
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 6:10 PM
Subject: [runacc] section 1 outline/draft

Sec 1 should be easy, and relatively short…

A. A brief history
Costume-Con was born out of the vision of Adrienne Martinez (Adrienne
Martine-Barnes), and first realized in 1983 by Karen Dick, Kelly Turner
and a crew of amateur and professional science fiction and historical
costumers in southern California. It began as (and still is) a
costume-centered weekend of competitions, classes, panel discussions
and social events. At Costume-Con 3 (1985) in Columbia, Maryland, the
International Costumers’ Guild was founded, bringing together costume
organizations from around the world; Costume-Con and the ICG have
enjoyed a symbiotic relationship ever since.

In the last two decades, Costume-Con has grown and adapted to the needs
and interests of its members. Committees have introduced new seminars,
social activities and competitions. Some have failed, some have
succeeded and a few have developed into new “traditional” activities.

For a detailed history of Costume-Con, please see the timeline at
http://www.costume-con.org/CClink/index.shtml.

B. The process in a nutshell…
If you’re reading this, you’re probably interested in putting together
a Costume-Con. Costume-Con is not operated year-to-year by the same
organization and staff. It is overseen by Karen Dick and Kelly Turner,
the holders of the “Costume-Con” trademark, but each year planning and
operations are the responsibility of a conference committee.

Putting together a Costume-Con is a multi-year process, so there are
always at least 3 seated conference committees active, and often
several “bid committees” exploring the possibility of running a
Costume-Con or actively campaigning to be selected to run a Costume-Con.

A conference committee starts, as mentioned above, with bidding. During
the bid phase, the conference committee develops its business
structure, obtains hotel/facilities agreements, and campaigns to get
people to attend or support the costume-con where their bid is voted
upon. This is at minimum a 6-month process (the deadline to be placed
on the ballot is 6 months before the vote) but is often done over a
period of 1-2 years.

After a conference committee has won their bid, they’re described as a
“seated conference committee” and have approximately 3 years to
complete the planning for their conference. During this time, the
marketing and promotion of the conference continues.

All of this culminates in the actual conference: panel discussions,
seminars, social events and competitions. It’s not over, though, when
the conference is done. It often takes a few weeks (sometimes a few
months) to wind up final business after the conference.

All in all, that’s 4-6 years from start to finish. A long time, yes,
but enough time to spread the workload out if you and your committee
pace things carefully.

C. The ConStitution
<When was the constitution originally drafted? Insert capsule history
here.>

Minimum performance standards and responsibilities are laid out in the
ConStitution. Note that carefully: Minimum performance standards and
responsibilities. The ConStitution isn’t a recipe for how to run a
Costume-Con.

As a conference committee member, you should be intimately familiar
with the contents of the ConStitution, and what it requires of you.
Conversely, when somebody tells you something is required, you should
review the ConStitution for yourself and determine whether that is
still true or not.

The ConStitution is a living document and is amended on a regular
basis. For the convenience and sanity of conference committees,
revisions will generally be made in the 60 days immediately following
the annual conference and not made in the 6 months leading up to the
next conference. Still, it is best to review the Constitution on a
regular basis.

If you have any questions about expectations or responsibilities of
your committee, ask them.

For more information, including contact information, see the
ConStitution at
http://www.costume-con.org/procedure/ccconstitution.shtml

D. The ICG Masquerade Guidelines
Several years ago, Costume-Con agreed to operate its costume
competitions in accordance with the ICG Masquerade Guidelines.

As the name says, these are guidelines. Their purpose is to help
competition directors write their rules and operate their competitions
in a manner that is fair and impartial. While they’re framed for
competition masquerades, there are aspects of the guidelines which may
be applicable to other competitions. Committee chairpersons and
competition directors should review the guidelines on a regular basis.

If you are uncertain about how to interpret any part of the guidelines,
the best course of action is to talk with past competition directors
and ask them how they interpreted the guidelines in the past, and how
their interpretations worked for them.

For more information, see the ICG Masquerade Guidelines at
http://www.costume.org/documents/guidelines.html

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I know that some of you are on the ICG-D list and already know this, but for
those who aren’t – the membership rates go up today for us and for Utah.
Ours go from $65 if purchased by today, to $75 until the convention ($85 at
door). Utah’s is $50 through today, not sure what it goes up to. You can
download a membership form for them at www.crossroadsutah.org.

If you have friends who are planning to attend either Con, you might want to
remind them to get it in today.

Trudy

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Oops, sorry. That message was suppposed to go to the CC22 committee members.
Apologies.

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Has anyone heard anything from the Utah bid lately? Their website hasn’t
changed in months. Any info?

Nora Mai

On Wednesday, November 19, 2003, at 04:21 AM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> Has anyone heard anything from the Utah bid lately? Their website
> hasn’t
> changed in months. Any info?

I got an email from Keri confirming my registrations.

As for the website not changing in months, well, I think many of us
have that problem. Kevin and I haven’t got back to the CC26 website in
months, and I’ve still got a lot of material to add.

andy

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“It’s not pink; it’s peach-colored. Pink is tacky.” –Manfred Pfirsich
Marie Rommel

From: “Andrew Trembley” <attrembl@bovil.com>
Subject: Re: [runacc] Utah CC

> I got an email from Keri confirming my registrations.

When? Recently?

> As for the website not changing in months, well, I think many of us
> have that problem. Kevin and I haven’t got back to the CC26 website in
> months, and I’ve still got a lot of material to add.

Yeah, but you’re still a bid. They’re an official Con and only a year and a
half out. The website is a quick and useful tool for established CC
attendees and newbies to get the latest info.

Nora

On Wednesday, November 19, 2003, at 03:56 PM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:

> From: “Andrew Trembley” <attrembl@bovil.com>
> Subject: Re: [runacc] Utah CC
>> I got an email from Keri confirming my registrations.
>
> When? Recently?

earlier this week.

andy

—
andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
San Jose, CA – ’72 R75/5 ’86 R100 (mine) – ’92 K75sa ’03 R1150R
(Kevin’s)
“It’s not pink, it’s peach-colored. Pink is tacky.”
–Manfred Pfirsich Marie Rommel

2nd most important safety device on my bike: the one beneath my right
hand
Most important safety device on my bike: the one inside my helmet

I have not heard anything recently.

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: Bruce & Nora Mai
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 7:21 AM
Subject: [runacc] Utah CC

Has anyone heard anything from the Utah bid lately? Their website hasn’t
changed in months. Any info?

Nora Mai

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I also received a confirmation of my membership which I sent in on Oct. 31.
I haven’t heard anything else, though. At the moment, I don’t think that
anyone on their committee is registered as a member for CC22. We did put a
plug in PR#3 for them, but no one has contacted us about advertising or
con-suite sponsorships.

Trudy

>From: Andrew Trembley <attrembl@bovil.com>
>Reply-To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
>To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [runacc] Utah CC
>Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 13:33:27 -0800
>
>On Wednesday, November 19, 2003, at 04:21 AM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
> > Has anyone heard anything from the Utah bid lately? Their website
> > hasn’t
> > changed in months. Any info?
>
>I got an email from Keri confirming my registrations.
>
>As for the website not changing in months, well, I think many of us
>have that problem. Kevin and I haven’t got back to the CC26 website in
>months, and I’ve still got a lot of material to add.
>
>andy
>
>–
>andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen
>http://www.bovil.com/
>”It’s not pink; it’s peach-colored. Pink is tacky.” –Manfred Pfirsich
>Marie Rommel
>

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In a message dated 11/20/2003 7:56:21 AM Central Standard Time,
georgialei@hotmail.com writes:

> At the moment, I don’t think that
> anyone on their committee is registered as a member for CC22. We did put a
> plug in PR#3 for them, but no one has contacted us about advertising or
> con-suite sponsorships.

I had the same thing with CC21 and the folks from Utah. I sent some e-mails
back and forth right after CC21, but not a peep since.

Oh, Trudy, e-mail me privately about your CC.

Henry

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Ack!, my e-mail is down for a few days, and then everyone starts talking about us.

Thanks for all the registrations. Keri has the total number, but I think it’s between 5 and 10 new ones that just came in (before Oct. 31)

Nothing new on the web-site, because not much has actually changed. I do have the “year-and-a-half” alarm-bell going off in my head. I also had some local distractions going on this summer with CONduit (re-work of the BoD), but that’s settled down, and so we can get back to CC.

I should say that my (and others) economics have been a bit rough recently, so, aside from the personal distraction that entails, it has also affected my planning of the CC-23 budget. Some of the details have been in a holding pattern, while we see what the market can bear, and who-all’s coming out. We should be able to have the basic convention as planned, but I wanted to make sure we did not over-commit in some areas.

The economics did cut into our traveling, so I really appreciate the support folks have extended to us for the past few cons. We have not registered for Atlanta yet, but will try to get someone out there.

We are getting the vendors lined up. And I figure the future-fashion-folio is the next critical item, (along with all the internal work that now is required).

Some of you have had some contact with us in the past, and we should be getting back to you shortly, about volunteering. Anyone else that wants to help, either in advance, or at the con, please email me directly.

Thanks,

Charles Galway CC-23
cgalway@xmission.com

—–Original Message—–
From: Andrew Trembley <attrembl@bovil.com>

On Wednesday, November 19, 2003, at 04:21 AM, Bruce & Nora Mai wrote:
> Has anyone heard anything from the Utah bid lately? Their website
> hasn’t
> changed in months. Any info?

I got an email from Keri confirming my registrations.

As for the website not changing in months, well, I think many of us
have that problem. Kevin and I haven’t got back to the CC26 website in
months, and I’ve still got a lot of material to add.

andy

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So we were already planning a bid party at FurtherConfusion (end of
this month) when the Fursuit Programming Track coordinator asked us if
we wanted to do a panel about Costume-Con. We, of course, said “yes.”
It’s a reasonable way to access the folks who don’t do parties and also
a good way to build a relationship with the con.

It’s also an excellent alternative to long hours at a fan table. I hate
sitting at fan tables.

Now I don’t expect every convention to be so ready to hand us a
programming room for a hour for what is essentially an advertisement,
but I have a sneaking suspicion that at costume-heavy or
costume-friendly cons (particularly where one knows people in
programming) that it wouldn’t be difficult to get a panel on “costuming
year-round” or something the like that covers all sorts of different
local, regional and national/international events that folks doing
costumes at conventions might be interested in.

andy

—
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San Jose, CA – ’72 R75/5 ’86 R100 (mine) – ’92 K75sa ’03 R1150R
(Kevin’s)
“It’s not pink, it’s peach-colored. Pink is tacky.”
–Manfred Pfirsich Marie Rommel

2nd most important safety device on my bike: the one beneath my right
hand
Most important safety device on my bike: the one inside my helmet

On this coast, we’re fortunate that both Arisia and Lunacon normally run full (or at least sizable) costume program tracks, which gives us similar exposure. I will bring CC 26 flyers to both cons and expect to hand them to the masquerade entrants as they check in at the respective green rooms. As the green room manager, I certainly won’t object to such blatant marketing and I doubt that the MD (Carl Mami) will. (Arisia is this month, in Boston; Lunacon is in March outside New York.)

I expect to do the same thing at Noreascon 4.

I also hope to give out many costume award ribbons at the cons. I arranged to have one given to every entrant at the Albacon masquerade last October, plus key masquerade gophers, but I still have a fair number to give away.

At times, however, I wonder why we’re bidding so hard, since we’re unopposed for CC 26, so far as I know!

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: Andrew Trembley
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 6:25 PM
Subject: [runacc] More marketing…

So we were already planning a bid party at FurtherConfusion (end of
this month) when the Fursuit Programming Track coordinator asked us if
we wanted to do a panel about Costume-Con. We, of course, said “yes.”
It’s a reasonable way to access the folks who don’t do parties and also
a good way to build a relationship with the con.

It’s also an excellent alternative to long hours at a fan table. I hate
sitting at fan tables.

Now I don’t expect every convention to be so ready to hand us a
programming room for a hour for what is essentially an advertisement,
but I have a sneaking suspicion that at costume-heavy or
costume-friendly cons (particularly where one knows people in
programming) that it wouldn’t be difficult to get a panel on “costuming
year-round” or something the like that covers all sorts of different
local, regional and national/international events that folks doing
costumes at conventions might be interested in.

andy

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In a message dated 1/6/2004 7:57:20 PM Central Standard Time,
bconnel1@nycap.rr.com writes:

> At times, however, I wonder why we’re bidding so hard, since we’re
> unopposed for CC 26, so far as I know!

I have been debating starting a new joke bid. Is this my cue?
Henry

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On Tuesday, January 6, 2004, at 05:46 PM, Byron Connell wrote:

> At times, however, I wonder why we’re bidding so hard, since we’re
> unopposed for CC 26, so far as I know!

The word is marketing. I’m going to assume that in the next 10 months
another bid isn’t going to jump out of a hat, so it’s not about
campaigning, it’s about early marketing.

Bidding CC26 heavily gets people asking about what’s coming up sooner
and/or nearer. One of our fliers includes dates and locations for 22,
23 and 24.

Bidding CC26 heavily (I hope) will result in higher attending and
supporting memberships for Utah from folks who want to vote for us.

Bidding CC26 heavily (I hope) will boost the vote count and voting fees
from Utah, giving our committee more seed money.

But on a more basic level, I think CC generally can benefit.

I think we want to grow our core constituency (the folks who find a way
to come to CC 2 out of every 3 years). I think we also need to build
interest amongst the folks who assume costume-Con isn’t for them. Heavy
bidding, particularly the awards and talking with folks in cool hall
costumes, is a way to let folks know that they’re welcome at a CC.

—
andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
San Jose, CA – ’72 R75/5 ’86 R100 (mine) – ’92 K75sa ’03 R1150R
(Kevin’s)
“It’s not pink, it’s peach-colored. Pink is tacky.”
–Manfred Pfirsich Marie Rommel

2nd most important safety device on my bike: the one beneath my right
hand
Most important safety device on my bike: the one inside my helmet

Andy –

Would you like some flyers for CC22 to have at the panel? It does sound
like a good opportunity to get the word out to some folks who might not be
aware of Costume-Cons.

Trudy

>From: Andrew Trembley <attrembl@bovil.com>
>Reply-To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
>To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [runacc] More marketing…
>Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 15:25:51 -0800
>
>So we were already planning a bid party at FurtherConfusion (end of
>this month) when the Fursuit Programming Track coordinator asked us if
>we wanted to do a panel about Costume-Con. We, of course, said “yes.”
>It’s a reasonable way to access the folks who don’t do parties and also
>a good way to build a relationship with the con.
>
>It’s also an excellent alternative to long hours at a fan table. I hate
>sitting at fan tables.
>
>Now I don’t expect every convention to be so ready to hand us a
>programming room for a hour for what is essentially an advertisement,
>but I have a sneaking suspicion that at costume-heavy or
>costume-friendly cons (particularly where one knows people in
>programming) that it wouldn’t be difficult to get a panel on “costuming
>year-round” or something the like that covers all sorts of different
>local, regional and national/international events that folks doing
>costumes at conventions might be interested in.
>
>andy
>
>–
>andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen – http://www.bovil.com/
>San Jose, CA – ’72 R75/5 ’86 R100 (mine) – ’92 K75sa ’03 R1150R
>(Kevin’s)
> “It’s not pink, it’s peach-colored. Pink is tacky.”
> –Manfred Pfirsich Marie Rommel
>
>2nd most important safety device on my bike: the one beneath my right
>hand
>Most important safety device on my bike: the one inside my helmet
>

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Byron –

Would you like flyers for CC22?

Trudy

>From: “Byron Connell” <bconnel1@nycap.rr.com>
>Reply-To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
>To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [runacc] More marketing…
>Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 20:46:41 -0500
>
>On this coast, we’re fortunate that both Arisia and Lunacon normally run
>full (or at least sizable) costume program tracks, which gives us similar
>exposure. I will bring CC 26 flyers to both cons and expect to hand them
>to the masquerade entrants as they check in at the respective green rooms.
>As the green room manager, I certainly won’t object to such blatant
>marketing and I doubt that the MD (Carl Mami) will. (Arisia is this month,
>in Boston; Lunacon is in March outside New York.)
>
>I expect to do the same thing at Noreascon 4.
>
>I also hope to give out many costume award ribbons at the cons. I arranged
>to have one given to every entrant at the Albacon masquerade last October,
>plus key masquerade gophers, but I still have a fair number to give away.
>
>At times, however, I wonder why we’re bidding so hard, since we’re
>unopposed for CC 26, so far as I know!
>
>Byron
>
>
>—– Original Message —–
> From: Andrew Trembley
> To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 6:25 PM
> Subject: [runacc] More marketing…
>
>
> So we were already planning a bid party at FurtherConfusion (end of
> this month) when the Fursuit Programming Track coordinator asked us if
> we wanted to do a panel about Costume-Con. We, of course, said “yes.”
> It’s a reasonable way to access the folks who don’t do parties and also
> a good way to build a relationship with the con.
>
> It’s also an excellent alternative to long hours at a fan table. I hate
> sitting at fan tables.
>
> Now I don’t expect every convention to be so ready to hand us a
> programming room for a hour for what is essentially an advertisement,
> but I have a sneaking suspicion that at costume-heavy or
> costume-friendly cons (particularly where one knows people in
> programming) that it wouldn’t be difficult to get a panel on “costuming
> year-round” or something the like that covers all sorts of different
> local, regional and national/international events that folks doing
> costumes at conventions might be interested in.
>
> andy
>
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>

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—– Original Message —–
From: henryosier@cs.com
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] More marketing…

In a message dated 1/6/2004 7:57:20 PM Central Standard Time,
bconnel1@nycap.rr.com writes:
> At times, however, I wonder why we’re bidding so hard, since we’re
> unopposed for CC 26, so far as I know!
I have been debating starting a new joke bid. Is this my cue?
Henry

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Trudy —

Yes. I’ll be happy to give away a bunch of them.

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: “Trudy Leonard” <georgialei@hotmail.com>
To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: [runacc] More marketing…

> Byron –
>
> Would you like flyers for CC22?
>
> Trudy
>
>
> >From: “Byron Connell” <bconnel1@nycap.rr.com>
> >Reply-To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> >To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
> >Subject: Re: [runacc] More marketing…
> >Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 20:46:41 -0500
> >
> >On this coast, we’re fortunate that both Arisia and Lunacon normally run
> >full (or at least sizable) costume program tracks, which gives us similar
> >exposure. I will bring CC 26 flyers to both cons and expect to hand them
> >to the masquerade entrants as they check in at the respective green
rooms.
> >As the green room manager, I certainly won’t object to such blatant
> >marketing and I doubt that the MD (Carl Mami) will. (Arisia is this
month,
> >in Boston; Lunacon is in March outside New York.)
> >
> >I expect to do the same thing at Noreascon 4.
> >
> >I also hope to give out many costume award ribbons at the cons. I
arranged
> >to have one given to every entrant at the Albacon masquerade last
October,
> >plus key masquerade gophers, but I still have a fair number to give away.
> >
> >At times, however, I wonder why we’re bidding so hard, since we’re
> >unopposed for CC 26, so far as I know!
> >
> >Byron
> >
> >
> >—– Original Message —–
> > From: Andrew Trembley
> > To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 6:25 PM
> > Subject: [runacc] More marketing…
> >
> >
> > So we were already planning a bid party at FurtherConfusion (end of
> > this month) when the Fursuit Programming Track coordinator asked us if
> > we wanted to do a panel about Costume-Con. We, of course, said “yes.”
> > It’s a reasonable way to access the folks who don’t do parties and
also
> > a good way to build a relationship with the con.
> >
> > It’s also an excellent alternative to long hours at a fan table. I
hate
> > sitting at fan tables.
> >
> > Now I don’t expect every convention to be so ready to hand us a
> > programming room for a hour for what is essentially an advertisement,
> > but I have a sneaking suspicion that at costume-heavy or
> > costume-friendly cons (particularly where one knows people in
> > programming) that it wouldn’t be difficult to get a panel on
“costuming
> > year-round” or something the like that covers all sorts of different
> > local, regional and national/international events that folks doing
> > costumes at conventions might be interested in.
> >
> > andy

On Wednesday, January 7, 2004, at 06:02 AM, Trudy Leonard wrote:

> Andy –
>
> Would you like some flyers for CC22 to have at the panel? It does
> sound
> like a good opportunity to get the word out to some folks who might
> not be
> aware of Costume-Cons.

If you’ve got e-copy, I can print a stack for the panel and for the
con…

—
andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen
http://www.irlm.org/ – mailto:webmaster@irlm.org
“Anybody who takes this seriously deserves to”
— Donna Barr

Andy –

I’ll send you the file tomorrow. Thanks!

Trudy

>From: Andrew Trembley <attrembl@bovil.com>
>Reply-To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
>To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [runacc] More marketing…
>Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 17:36:43 -0800
>
>
>On Wednesday, January 7, 2004, at 06:02 AM, Trudy Leonard wrote:
>
> > Andy –
> >
> > Would you like some flyers for CC22 to have at the panel? It does
> > sound
> > like a good opportunity to get the word out to some folks who might
> > not be
> > aware of Costume-Cons.
>
>If you’ve got e-copy, I can print a stack for the panel and for the
>con…
>
>–
>andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen
>http://www.irlm.org/ – mailto:webmaster@irlm.org
>”Anybody who takes this seriously deserves to”
> — Donna Barr
>

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Byron –

I will get those into the mail for you. Any estimate on how many you’d like
me to send?

Thanks,

Trudy

>From: “Byron Connell” <bconnel1@nycap.rr.com>
>Reply-To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
>To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [runacc] More marketing…
>Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 20:07:10 -0500
>
>Trudy —
>
>Yes. I’ll be happy to give away a bunch of them.
>
>Byron
>
>
>—– Original Message —–
>From: “Trudy Leonard” <georgialei@hotmail.com>
>To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 9:03 AM
>Subject: Re: [runacc] More marketing…
>
>
> > Byron –
> >
> > Would you like flyers for CC22?
> >
> > Trudy
> >
> >
> > >From: “Byron Connell” <bconnel1@nycap.rr.com>
> > >Reply-To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
> > >Subject: Re: [runacc] More marketing…
> > >Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 20:46:41 -0500
> > >
> > >On this coast, we’re fortunate that both Arisia and Lunacon normally
>run
> > >full (or at least sizable) costume program tracks, which gives us
>similar
> > >exposure. I will bring CC 26 flyers to both cons and expect to hand
>them
> > >to the masquerade entrants as they check in at the respective green
>rooms.
> > >As the green room manager, I certainly won’t object to such blatant
> > >marketing and I doubt that the MD (Carl Mami) will. (Arisia is this
>month,
> > >in Boston; Lunacon is in March outside New York.)
> > >
> > >I expect to do the same thing at Noreascon 4.
> > >
> > >I also hope to give out many costume award ribbons at the cons. I
>arranged
> > >to have one given to every entrant at the Albacon masquerade last
>October,
> > >plus key masquerade gophers, but I still have a fair number to give
>away.
> > >
> > >At times, however, I wonder why we’re bidding so hard, since we’re
> > >unopposed for CC 26, so far as I know!
> > >
> > >Byron
> > >
> > >
> > >—– Original Message —–
> > > From: Andrew Trembley
> > > To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 6:25 PM
> > > Subject: [runacc] More marketing…
> > >
> > >
> > > So we were already planning a bid party at FurtherConfusion (end of
> > > this month) when the Fursuit Programming Track coordinator asked us
>if
> > > we wanted to do a panel about Costume-Con. We, of course, said
>”yes.”
> > > It’s a reasonable way to access the folks who don’t do parties and
>also
> > > a good way to build a relationship with the con.
> > >
> > > It’s also an excellent alternative to long hours at a fan table. I
>hate
> > > sitting at fan tables.
> > >
> > > Now I don’t expect every convention to be so ready to hand us a
> > > programming room for a hour for what is essentially an
>advertisement,
> > > but I have a sneaking suspicion that at costume-heavy or
> > > costume-friendly cons (particularly where one knows people in
> > > programming) that it wouldn’t be difficult to get a panel on
>”costuming
> > > year-round” or something the like that covers all sorts of different
> > > local, regional and national/international events that folks doing
> > > costumes at conventions might be interested in.
> > >
> > > andy
>

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At 08:30 PM 1/6/2004, you wrote:

>But on a more basic level, I think CC generally can benefit.
>
>I think we want to grow our core constituency (the folks who find a way
>to come to CC 2 out of every 3 years). I think we also need to build
>interest amongst the folks who assume costume-Con isn’t for them. Heavy
>bidding, particularly the awards and talking with folks in cool hall
>costumes, is a way to let folks know that they’re welcome at a CC.

I agree. Many new costumers or one time costumers I’ve talked to seem to
think C-C is only for experienced costumers and will be too complex for
them. Whatever we can do to shoot down that misconception is to be pursued.

Pierre

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>(Kevin’s)
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>
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>hand
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“Those Who Fail To Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly —
Why They Are Simply Doomed.

Achemdro’hm
“The Illusion of Historical Fact”
— C.Y. 4971

Andromeda

I couldn’t agree more. I am a case in point. My first CC was CC3, Baltimore. Except for a couple of hall-costume type things when I was young and foolish (No, I will NOT let anyone see photos of the leather bikini top and loincloth!) I hadn’t done anything; however, I didn’t have any silly ideas about “only for Masters” and wanted to go a) because a bunch of people I knew were going, and b) because I wanted to see a bunch of neat costumes.

However, once I was there, what I mostly did was go to panels & demonstrations. That really saved my ass a few weeks later when my daughter came to me wanting me to make her prom gown, because all the stuff in the stores that year was Ghod-awful. The “How to custom fit a commercial pattern” demo gave me everything I needed to pull it off. When your daughter is 6′ tall and slender with long showgirl legs, fluffy frilly stuff in tacky pink-and-silver lace doesn’t cut it anywhere nearly as well as strapless almost-skin-fit black matte satin. (Pierre, were you and Sandy at CC7, in Albany? If so she was wearing it there. I have a photo of Marty “putting the bite” on her and her girlfriend.)

The beadwork I did on Corwin was immeasurably aided by the many “How to bead” demos and workshops I have attended over the years. The same for tailoring panels, corset making demos, etc. We may have a lot of FUN at CC’s but they and the ICG do really fulfill the “educational” function that our IRS tax-exempt status calls for. We need to convince the newbies, and the not-so-newbies who are still uncertain of their skills, that this is a great resource for them. I think would like to see a “Basics” program track at CC’s which would offer panels/demos which many attendees would consider “the same old thing again” but which newer costumers and wanna-bes could benefit from. Beading 101, Tailoring/Fitting 101, Corsetry 101, etc.

I know that the cost of a membership may seem like a lot (buy early and often, while the rates are low), but as someone who also has to keep a 140 yr. old house repaired, I can safely say that if you want to go to any kind of major rehabbers show or historic preservation conference, it’s pricey, and they charge plenty extra (not just “cost of materials”) for the workshops and specialty meetings as well. I understand that the same thing is true in other specialty areas, such as computing, also.

Now we have to figure out how to get this across to people.

Tina

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Tina —

I continue to be astonished and exhilarated by the response our cc26 bid
parties and costume ribbons generate.

The Evil Genius parties have been very effective because they have a fun
hook that brings people into the room. Once they are there, they
discover that costumers can actually be fun socially, and they stick
around and actually get around to asking questions about the con. I
thought it was the free champagne, but we couldn’t afford it at TorCon
and the party was still a huge hit.

With the ribbons, we’ve been spreading the word not only at cons and
costume events, but at drag events, and the response continues to be
strong. Imagine a drag queen in an imperial Russian military-inspired
dress *simpering* because you gave her a ribbon for “taking the time to
dress the part”, thinking for a moment, then saying “That sounds like a
wonderful weekend. I should go!”.

If you can make the connection with something they already love to do,
folks seem to “get it” faster. Especially in the Bay Area, where, alas,
so many people hear “costume guild” and think “stuffy victorian
recreationist”. If you have fun with your marketing, I think your
marketing dollars go a lot further, too.

I knew we were on to something when the FurCon chair sought us out at
BayCon to ask how FC could help our bid.

I’m rambling. I hope there’s a shred or two of coherent stuff in here
that might be of use to y’all.

Kevin

>
> Now we have to figure out how to get this across to people.
>
> Tina
>

In a message dated 1/7/2004 7:13:18 PM Central Standard Time,
bconnel1@nycap.rr.com writes:

> You’re moving to Baptistown?

Okay, would someone explain to me this Baptistown thing? I’ve only been doing
this since ’97 and only knows about its existence, but not the whole story.
Henry

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

In a message dated 1/8/2004 4:55:25 PM Central Standard Time,
costumrs@radiks.net writes:

> Whatever we can do to shoot down that misconception is to be pursued.

Hi! My name is Henry. I have been to only three CC’s, I’m still a novice, and
I finally got my own sewing machine last August.

(Or, in other words, feel free to use me as an example of people who got to
CC’s.)
Henry

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

E-mail it to me and I’ll run copies.

Byron

—– Original Message —–
From: Trudy Leonard
To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: [runacc] More marketing…

Byron –

I will get those into the mail for you. Any estimate on how many you’d like
me to send?

Thanks,

Trudy

>From: “Byron Connell” <bconnel1@nycap.rr.com>
>Reply-To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
>To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [runacc] More marketing…
>Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 20:07:10 -0500
>
>Trudy —
>
>Yes. I’ll be happy to give away a bunch of them.
>
>Byron
>
>
>—– Original Message —–
>From: “Trudy Leonard” <georgialei@hotmail.com>
>To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 9:03 AM
>Subject: Re: [runacc] More marketing…
>
>
> > Byron –
> >
> > Would you like flyers for CC22?
> >
> > Trudy
> >
> >
> > >From: “Byron Connell” <bconnel1@nycap.rr.com>
> > >Reply-To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: <runacc@yahoogroups.com>
> > >Subject: Re: [runacc] More marketing…
> > >Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 20:46:41 -0500
> > >
> > >On this coast, we’re fortunate that both Arisia and Lunacon normally
>run
> > >full (or at least sizable) costume program tracks, which gives us
>similar
> > >exposure. I will bring CC 26 flyers to both cons and expect to hand
>them
> > >to the masquerade entrants as they check in at the respective green
>rooms.
> > >As the green room manager, I certainly won’t object to such blatant
> > >marketing and I doubt that the MD (Carl Mami) will. (Arisia is this
>month,
> > >in Boston; Lunacon is in March outside New York.)
> > >
> > >I expect to do the same thing at Noreascon 4.
> > >
> > >I also hope to give out many costume award ribbons at the cons. I
>arranged
> > >to have one given to every entrant at the Albacon masquerade last
>October,
> > >plus key masquerade gophers, but I still have a fair number to give
>away.
> > >
> > >At times, however, I wonder why we’re bidding so hard, since we’re
> > >unopposed for CC 26, so far as I know!
> > >
> > >Byron
> > >
> > >
> > >—– Original Message —–
> > > From: Andrew Trembley
> > > To: runacc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 6:25 PM
> > > Subject: [runacc] More marketing…
> > >
> > >
> > > So we were already planning a bid party at FurtherConfusion (end of
> > > this month) when the Fursuit Programming Track coordinator asked us
>if
> > > we wanted to do a panel about Costume-Con. We, of course, said
>”yes.”
> > > It’s a reasonable way to access the folks who don’t do parties and
>also
> > > a good way to build a relationship with the con.
> > >
> > > It’s also an excellent alternative to long hours at a fan table. I
>hate
> > > sitting at fan tables.
> > >
> > > Now I don’t expect every convention to be so ready to hand us a
> > > programming room for a hour for what is essentially an
>advertisement,
> > > but I have a sneaking suspicion that at costume-heavy or
> > > costume-friendly cons (particularly where one knows people in
> > > programming) that it wouldn’t be difficult to get a panel on
>”costuming
> > > year-round” or something the like that covers all sorts of different
> > > local, regional and national/international events that folks doing
> > > costumes at conventions might be interested in.
> > >
> > > andy
>

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Baptistown is the legendary epicenter of costuming smofs that has
been compared to the equally elusive Area 51.

To most people, it’s a sedate town in western New Jersey with a post
office that postmarks anonymous fishy letters to the CostumAPA
manually rather than sending them to a USPS distribution center where
they could be mistakenly associated with costumers we actually know.

These mysterious folk sponsored a last minute bid for CC16 through
their only known agent to the outside world, Toni Lay. The very
mention of Baptistown had an odd effect on the established St. Louis
bid and there was a deferral to Baptistown. Perhaps the CC25 group
could elucidate on that historic decision – blackmail, bribery,
favors of some sort … who could say if the secret is ready to be
exposed?

Don’t worry, Henry, there’s been an American Girl Store opened in
Manhatten this past year so you will not have to go without 18 inch
collectible dolls and their fashions if you decide to move east and
decide to undermine someone else’s CC bid. Could it happen to St.
Louis twice???

Sharon
central oceanview NJ, not even remotely close to Baptistown

— In runacc@yahoogroups.com, henryosier@c… wrote:
> In a message dated 1/7/2004 7:13:18 PM Central Standard Time,
> bconnel1@n… writes:
> > You’re moving to Baptistown?
> Okay, would someone explain to me this Baptistown thing? I’ve only
been doing
> this since ’97 and only knows about its existence, but not the
whole story.
> Henry
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Thank you, Sharon!

I still would like to start a new joke bid. More along the lines of Arkham,
Gotham, Metropolis (either one), etc.

Henry

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